Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => PBP => Topic started by: Greenbank on 21 August, 2019, 02:27:17 pm
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Anyone who isn't riding this year considering it in 2023? Has watching the trackers inspired you?
I keep putting off coming back to PBP (and anything but the occasional 200 for that matter). My daughter will be 13 next PBP and it doesn't help it being moved to around the time of my wife's birthday.
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I intended to do it this year but reasoned that it wouldn't be a good fit with my dissertation submission. I am more focused on LEL as it is a. sooner and b. apparently the better one to do first (from people who've done both) but hope to be in good long distance form by 2023, hopefully enough to do it one go.
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I've been watching the trackers and the PBP FB page, and judging from the deluge of DNFs on the outleg I don't think I'd have made it to Mortagne this year. I'll be 76 next time around (assuming I am still around) and the way I feel now just volunteering would be pretty hard.
Huh. This from the man who wanted to be the doyen of finishers in 2027. Aye well.
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I'd intended to do it this year but arsed up my pre-registration rides. As I DNF'd LEL in 2017 that's my next target as I've got unfinsihed business there. I did PBP in 2015 so although I'd like to do it again I've kinda scratched that itch.
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I would have done it this year except I chose to ride Race around The Netherlands instead. Found I missed the insanity of PBP (although I found I haven't missed the actual cycling/hills/sleep-deprivation/cost, etc.)
Assuming I'm still functional I'd hope to do 2023. No idea on what though. A single roller-skate, probably.
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I’ll be 50 next time round and aiming for a 7th.
It will be Junior’s GCSE results then, though.
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Yep, hoping for LEL in 2021, and PBP in 2023, which means I'll need to do something big in 2022 too...
J
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I’ll be 50 next time round and aiming for a 7th.
It will be Junior’s GCSE results then, though.
Get him on a tandem and have mum collect the results for him?
Get them both on a triplet and have someone else collect the results?
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Probably considering another go given my DNF in 2015 at Mortagne on the way back is still festering in the back of my mind, plus the DNF at LEL in 2017. So as per previous posters I'll probably target LEL first then back to Paris.
Couldn't even consider this year as I was no way fit enough post recovery from broken back sustained while cycling across the States just over a year ago :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I’ll be 50 next time round and aiming for a 7th.
It will be Junior’s GCSE results then, though.
Get him on a tandem and have mum collect the results for him?
Get them both on a triplet and have someone else collect the results?
Gotta be 18 I’m afraid. 2027 at the earliest.
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I'd like to give it one more go, at least, as health problems prevented me from qualifying this time around. I'll be 62 by then... so maybe I could aim for a 5th and 6th as well, before they take my driving licence away.
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Anyone who isn't riding this year considering it in 2023? Has watching the trackers inspired you?
Inspired generally yes, but certain riders inspire me that bit more.
There's an Australioan recumbent rider, Pete Heal, who I met in 2007 who rode a very tidy homebuild that year [and received much praise for it], and he's been on every PBP since. Like me, he's no spring chicken, but a decent rider, and I see he completed the ride in 73hrs. But it's not the sum total that's important, it's noticing how much rest he took as well, and the tracker gives two major time lapses at controls, which must have given him between 10 & 12hrs kip in total. For me, where I sit, that's inspirational! I can only dream!
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I wanted to ride this year but a visit to the doctors in January put paid to any chance of qualification. Been struggling with fitness since I was allowed to ride again in April.
I have a place on LEL and I very much hope to take that up. I would love to have a go at PBP in 2023.
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Having done neither, but after reading a fair bit about both, I get the impression LEL is a harder ride but with better organisation so perhaps less to worry about - is that fair? So I'd prioritise LEL at the moment.
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I chose not to this year, despite reserving a place and qualifying, as the start clashed with my 15yo's Irish national races.
In 2023 he'll be 19. Looks like both of us'll have a go.
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This has been my second PBP (watching) , staying up for 90 hours, juggling several computers / tablets, following dozens of riders, updating spreadsheets, seeing who is falling behind....I don't think I can take another one so I guess I will just have to ride it (a first), will be 70 though, a lot better riders than me didn't finish this year, but first goal is a good pre-qualify in 2022, then qualify, then get to the start and see where I end up, four years to prepare, should be right, much of the route looks uber pretty, see you all there.
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I'm tempted to come back to try and go under 48h. I'm definitely doing LEL2021 so I think I'll see how that goes before deciding.
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Having ridden this year, I'm quite pleased by the fact I haven't really gone through any period of not wanting to do it again!
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Having had a shit PBP, having got gut problems before I even started, being low on energy the whole time, alternately shivering and sweating overnight and needing to abandon at the first food stop (Montagne Au Perche) I like to return. Next time I'd like to try it on a recumbent, and hopefully the frame I'm having built at the moment, will form the core of my future long distance ambitions.
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Had no desire to do it this year, but got into the spirit, still faffed and queued at the controls, but chatted to people from all over in the restaurants, and on the road, but a big part of me just wanted to get it done. No desire to do it a third time, unless there are significant changes, or a team mate enters and wants to ride together.
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This has been my second PBP (watching) , staying up for 90 hours, juggling several computers / tablets, following dozens of riders, updating spreadsheets, seeing who is falling behind....I don't think I can take another one so I guess I will just have to ride it (a first), will be 70 though, a lot better riders than me didn't finish this year, but first goal is a good pre-qualify in 2022, then qualify, then get to the start and see where I end up, four years to prepare, should be right, much of the route looks uber pretty, see you all there.
Best of luck LateStarter, be great if you made it to the start line in 2023.
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Having been at PBP 3 times (2007,2011,2015) and only finished once, in 2011, I decided last year to give it a miss this time. Too many bad memories of sleep deprivation, getting dangerous handlebar shimmies, and slowing to a crawl/ being out of time in Dreux. Happy to have got a medal and a reasonable time in 2011.
I have been inspired by following online the progress of friends, but on balance probably won't return. The ride is a tough ask for a ''full-value'' audaxer, up against the time limits. The 90 hour start requires such a rider to keep going through 4 nights, the last of which is really tricky, and potentially a grim slog. I'm not a fan of huge scale events, with all the queues at controls and sometimes even problems remembering where the bike is parked.
It's possible that I could get faster and fitter having retired recently, but more likely I will seek out other forms of multi-day riding. I enjoy the Italian audaxes with more relaxed time-limits, and untimed touring in mountainous regions.
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The ride is a tough ask for a ''full-value'' audaxer, up against the time limits.
I'll only do it again (and probably not until 2027) if I can get fit enough not to be a full-value Audaxer. I can deal with sleep-dep quite well (got less than 10 hours of sleep during the whole of PBP in 2011) but, as you say, it's no fun.
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The ride is a tough ask for a ''full-value'' audaxer, up against the time limits.
but, as you say, it's no fun.
Surely that's the whole point of it, by making sure there is much suffering and no fun is to be had under any circumstances, whatsoever!
It's all about the mental 'after burn' - it lasts for months! :)
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The ride is a tough ask for a ''full-value'' audaxer, up against the time limits.
but, as you say, it's no fun.
Surely that's the whole point of it, by making sure there is much suffering and no fun is to be had under any circumstances, whatsoever!
It's all about the mental 'after burn' - it lasts for months! :)
I didn't mean that the event was no fun! If you look at my original post I was talking about finding 4 consecutive nights of night riding being grim. compounded by the sleep deprivation To avoid that I would need to train hard to improve speed and fitness, or improve my ability to sleep anywhere. With increasing age the motivation is likely to decrease, not increase. The 'fun' in PBP comes from factors like roadside support, meeting people, finishing in time, etc.
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The ride is a tough ask for a ''full-value'' audaxer, up against the time limits.
but, as you say, it's no fun.
Surely that's the whole point of it, by making sure there is much suffering and no fun is to be had under any circumstances, whatsoever!
It's all about the mental 'after burn' - it lasts for months! :)
I was talking about finding 4 consecutive nights of night riding being grim. compounded by the sleep deprivation To avoid that I would need to train hard to improve speed and fitness, or improve my ability to sleep anywhere. With increasing age the motivation is likely to decrease, not increase.
I knew exactly what you were talking about Pete. You're describing me to a tee.
Make no mistake, if you're a full value rider, it can be a real challenge to get round. And it can be very grim - especially later in the event where clock-watching can become all consuming.
For me, with increasing age [I'll be 64 next time around], I'll need to train hard just to get round in the manner you describe. I'll be doing well to do that. But that's the challenge. [And the afterburn satisfaction!]
I don't know for sure yet, but the motivation for me is likely to come from whether I 'still can' rather than looking to markedly improve performance etc
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Having DNFd last year at Villaines (on the way out :D) and suffering every km of the way due to illness I'm back firing on all cylinders now and have my audax mojo back.
I just dont like the idea of my final visit having been a DNF and hell I will still be able to do it.
I suppose that means I should organise a 1000km event in 2022. :o
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I'm planning on being there again in 2023 (and also 2027 and 2031 as I'm aiming at 10 PBP starts).
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If I want 10 starts, I'd have to continue to 2043, assuming no gaps. I'd be 71.
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I can, in theory, get to 10 by the age of 62. I think TG is one ahead of me and slightly younger.
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If I want 10 starts, I'd have to continue to 2043, assuming no gaps. I'd be 71.
81 for me, I fancy your chances more, not many finish in their 80s
With 10 finishes a somewhat unrealistic goal , I plan on finishing in each time limit group. 90hrs done, 80 next, then 84.
If I can get the places
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Hoping for 10 x PBP Randonneur here too. 2023 would be #7, so 2035 and 68. I wonder how the climate will have changed by then.
Doable with some luck, though the normal DNF rate and life’s misfortunes make a long run of PBP successes increasingly unlikely.
PBP DNF rates are fairly constant regardless of age for 18-69 folk. The big increase in DNF is for 70-79 folk and almost 100% DNF for 80+. I think only one or perhaps two 80 year olds have ever finished PBP.
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10x PBP would require me to make it to my 80's. I get the feeling that is unlikely. Gonna set my target on the marginally more attainable, 1x PBP...
J
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One lady has finished 9 x PBP solo and is planning on tandeming next time. I got a chance for a quick chat with Dierdre at Loudeac.
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10 finishes would be highly unlikely for me as I have only 4 finishes on 7 starts. Based on these stats I'd probably end up with 6 or 7 PBP finishes and 10 or 11 starts. I did my first PBP with 27, that makes it a bit easier.
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I have the benefit of doing my first at 26. That and managing to keep riding without much interruption for the last 20 odd years.
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2023 could possibly be a tenth start and ninth finish for me and all being well I’ll be 59 then. I knew about PBP in 1983 when I was 19 but rode LEJOG as 1400km brevet instead. In 1987 I rode LEJOG again but faster and started PBP in 78 hour vedette group but DNF due coming off on a slippery descent early in the ride.
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I'm aiming for my second in 2023. By my fifth I'd be making PBP history and by my tenth they'd be re-writing medical history - I'd be over 100.
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Came into audax too late for collecting 10 x PBP. Did my first PBP aged 49. But a third outing in 2023 and hopefully a second success would be nice. Definitely aiming to do my next PBP on my new recumbent now.
I’ve been doing a big audax a year since LEL in 2013. But a bit more touring is also pulling at my heart. In fact 2022 will involve a tour instead of big audax. But I am pursuing 10 x SR, which I think will materialise in 2023 all being well. Plus I’ll target a 600 in 2022 anyway as a PBP pre qualifier.
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I too am planning on trying to qualify and undertake my 2nd PBP, I'll be 60 then, no way I can reach the dizzy aspiration of 10, in fact I'm planning on doing a 3rd when I'm 64, but that is so far into the future who know's what may transpire, as far as finishing times go a sub 50hr at 60 years old would be good (putting into practice improvements from what I've learned this year), then at 64 years old try and time it for an Adrian Hands Society t-shirt.
However, at the end of the day who knows what will happen, LEL next first - hopefully.
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Maybe. I would have done 2019 (which would have been my 4th) except both my boys had major exams which ruled out most qualifying events and the results came out during the actual event. Having sat it out, I didn't miss it. So the question will be, in 2023, will I do PBP or something different. The boys will be 20 and 22 by then so my time may be more flexible. Definitely planning LEL in 2021 having prepared fed 2000 cyclists twice in the previous 2 editions.
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the 2023 edition will be my fourth, if all goes well. as i'm riding the sr series every year anyway and would ride a 1000k+ audax in 2022, just to be sure i get to choose my favourite starting slot (provided the entry process doesn't change).
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So a slight spin on this. What would you do differently ?
Personally I was really pleased with my time and the amount of rest time I built in, but I’m now in a quandary. I’m annoyed I didn’t stop and talk to people enough and I didn’t take a single photo. I’ll be 50 next time and I don’t know whether to try for a better time or enjoy it more and take my time.
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Maybe. I would have done 2019 (which would have been my 4th) except both my boys had major exams which ruled out most qualifying events and the results came out during the actual event.
My eldest daughter took her GCSEs last summer but it didn’t really affect my cycling. Her results came out on the Thursday of PBP but I had finished early on the Wednesday evening. It’s a good job my daughter called me to tell me her results and not my wife because another woman answered my phone! It was my mate’s now ex-girlfriend who had unexpectedly traveled from the Netherlands to meet him after PBP. When I got back to the Huttopia campsite on the Wednesday evening she was pitching her tent on our pitch. I had no idea who she was at that point and was surprised that she knew my name. My mate didn’t finish until the Thursday afternoon and in the meantime most people assumed his girlfriend was my wife!
My wife and two daughters arrived on the Friday and we stayed in a wood cabin at Huttopia for a week as a very pleasant little family holiday.
By 2023 both of my daughters should hopefully have done their A levels and be at university so I should be in the clear for qualifying for and riding PBP.
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the 2023 edition will be my fourth, if all goes well. as i'm riding the sr series every year anyway and would ride a 1000k+ audax in 2022, just to be sure i get to choose my favourite starting slot (provided the entry process doesn't change).
Start in the earliest group, sleep monday at Brest (or book somewhere in Sizun) I felt good to carry on at carhaix but was worried there would be no beds by the time I reached Brest
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I have the benefit of doing my first at 26. That and managing to keep riding without much interruption for the last 20 odd years.
I did my first at 26 too! Missing the next two then scuppered that advantage though.
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So a slight spin on this. What would you do differently ?
I’ll make sure I am using mould free water bottles after last year’s resulting sickness and DNF. My recumbent seat bag can also take a bladder so I might also take a 1.5 lite bladder in addition to bottles for the first night.
I spent a lot of time queuing in controls in 2015 and I’d like to reduce that in 2023.
As I’m planning on riding my new recumbent I’ll be starting in F , so that’s kind of fixed for 2023.
I've started wearing a HR strap again, this month ( after a long period ) and am getting good results limiting my max and min heart rates on long rides. Not getting hungry, not fading, no slowing down over time. But virtually no freewheeling else my heart rate drops too low. It has also kept my body at a nice steady temperature with no extremes of too hot then too cold. So I’d like to pursue this to see where it leads.
I’ve also noted that riding in a stronger group than I; my HR can drop 20 bpm with a 2 mph increase in speed. So I’ll make more effort to sit in groups if they are suitably behaved.
I also feel my training has shifted to too much high intensity in last couple of years so am shifting more to the low / high intensity proportions of polarized training advocated by Stephen Seiler. In 2015 I’d have scoffed at training but back then I had a daily cycle commute taking 90 minutes per day. Time marches on and I no longer have that commute so training definitely necessary these days.
So some of the things I want to change for 2023 I’m already changing. Summarised it’s , improve fade resistance, more measured pacing, improve fat metabolism reducing how much I need to eat, reduce stop time at controls, make more use of groups.
I also rode down over two days from the ferry in 2015. Last year tried it in one day but got sicker and sicker on way down but pushed on towards Rambouillet as that was plan. So I’d like to return to a two day ride down again 2023 which is much more like touring and allows me to stop or slow down if I get sick again.
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If When I do 2023 I will be 70, week off 71 and while I have done 50 odd 200s and a few 300s in the last 7 years I haven't yet gone beyond. Fortunately I am almost finished work and the Time&Date calculator says I have 1,301 days till PBP 2023 (assuming a Sun 20 Aug start?).
I have been wasting effort on some models, average speed, time at controls, eating, sleeping etc and as I am pretty full value I looks a bit daunting to keep up an adequate pace so have to work at everything, faster on bike, less time off bike.
So its push the distances up and actually "train", plan requires at least one SR this year else I am kidding myself. Performance on the longer distances will guide where to put the effort I suppose and the probability of converting the dream into reality.
I spent a lot of time queuing in controls in 2015 and I’d like to reduce that in 2023.
The queuing does concern me as I am not fast enough on the bike to allow time to queue. Other than the essential getting card stamped is it practical to otherwise skip a control if there are queues, will I find food etc elsewhere that will be faster.
Also I am fairly much a big sleeper so this is going to be something I have to train to better manage. Everyone is different I guess but is it best to plan (longer) sleep stops or just take shorter as needed.
I've started wearing a HR strap again, this month ( after a long period ) and am getting good results limiting my max and min heart rates on long rides. Not getting hungry, not fading, no slowing down over time.
Fading is also something I have to work on, will look into a HR strap
This is not a "saddle" thread but I just have to find a saddle that will take me 1200 , I have many that will do for 100, 200 but not more, have tried all the usual suspects without finding "the" saddle so will have to have a proper fit to see if that helps.
2023, 2027, 2031, I don't think I will make it to 10 PBPs though but one would be nice.
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I promise to actually be fit.
I will ride as a Vedette.
The weather will be great.
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If When I do 2023 I will be 70, week off 71 and while I have done 50 odd 200s and a few 300s in the last 7 years I haven't yet gone beyond. Fortunately I am almost finished work and the Time&Date calculator says I have 1,301 days till PBP 2023 (assuming a Sun 20 Aug start?).
I have been wasting effort on some models, average speed, time at controls, eating, sleeping etc and as I am pretty full value I looks a bit daunting to keep up an adequate pace so have to work at everything, faster on bike, less time off bike.
2023, 2027, 2031, I don't think I will make it to 10 PBPs though but one would be nice.
Inspiring analysis Latestarter. Riding speed is less important than wasting time and being completely comfortable. There are loads of options to help save time. Good luck, it's worth the effort.
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If When I do 2023
I have been wasting effort on some models, average speed, time at controls, eating, sleeping etc and as I am pretty full value I looks a bit daunting to keep up an adequate pace so have to work at everything, faster on bike, less time off bike.
The queuing does concern me as I am not fast enough on the bike to allow time to queue. Other than the essential getting card stamped is it practical to otherwise skip a control if there are queues, will I find food etc elsewhere that will be faster.
Also I am fairly much a big sleeper so this is going to be something I have to train to better manage. Everyone is different I guess but is it best to plan (longer) sleep stops or just take shorter as needed.
Fading is also something I have to work on, will look into a HR strap.
Ride more than plan:
Guard against the inclination to spend time planning which could be spent riding, this year, next year and in 2023 (NB hello pot, this is kettle!)
Speed as well as endurance:
Take care to ride shorter distances faster, as well as (or even instead of) long rides. And if you haven't got time for a long ride, nevertheless get out and have some (faster than normal) fun.
Reducing stop times:
After an audax or other longer ride, analyse the stop times and see if you can identify minor things to change to reduce time stopped. And then make those changes.
Queuing and feeding:
Don't fuss about the queuing. The control desks were very efficient. Water bottle filling at some controls was good: others less so - I suspect that will be better in 2023 [Edit to add: But always better to stop and fill up at a pop-up rather than waste time at a control, balanced against losing a group going at an acceptable speed.] And there's plenty of options for food elsewhere - and plenty of advice on here about that. Have courage to stop at cafes and pop-ups. Definitely the best food I ate. Quality coke and chips at 5 in the morning - Gorron; and a family (with AC Bristol connections) pop-up just north of St Meen le Grand around Monday lunchtime (400k-ish); and a delicious ham and pasta mix at Ambrieres-les-Vallees in the heat of Wednesday afternoon (followed by an hour's kip on white sheet covered mattress under an awning in their garden). 3+ years to learn a bit more French, perhaps.
Sleeping:
As you say: everyone is different.
HR Monitor:
I use one (and have done since 1980 for most physical exercise, both training and racing (running/orienteering). Reviewing data is interesting, particularly interval sessions. As @Phil w says, it can be used as a restraint on pushing too hard when there's a long way to go, and a visible (numerical) indicator when you're loafing.
HTH
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Don't fuss about the queuing. The control desks were very efficient. Water bottle filling at some controls was good: others less so - I suspect that will be better in 2023. And there's plenty of options for food elsewhere - and plenty of advice on here about that. Have courage to stop at cafes and pop-ups. Definitely the best food I ate.
I spent far too much time at controls, not controlling but eating and other stuff all of which can be done elsewhere.
Understanding the different types of shops found in rural France is I think a massive help.
Also... Coca... no more bad cocaine jokes after asking for coke...
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Well up thread in January I rashly proclaimed my intention to front up for a first PBP in 2023, then late February a bad bike accident (on a 150, hit by a truck), 6 weeks in hospital, more broken bones than I thought existed, 4 months off bike and a slower than expected recovery, biggest ride since only 75 km but lots of 50s and now http://www.pbpresults.com/ is today proclaiming "3 years 0 months 0 days until 20th edition of PBP", assuming a Sunday 20/08/2023 start I guess.
Fortunately I think it's still possible for me, no injury below waist and 3 years is enough but no wriggle room in the preparation schedule, got my distraction out of the way early and coincidently with the peak Covid distractions (as long as it doesn't return and is long gone before 2023). Of course some finishers say they went from zero to finish in a year but I don't think I am in that class.
Good luck to the class of 23, see you there.
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Well up thread in January I rashly proclaimed my intention to front up for a first PBP in 2023, then late February a bad bike accident (on a 150, hit by a truck), 6 weeks in hospital, more broken bones than I thought existed, 4 months off bike and a slower than expected recovery, biggest ride since only 75 km but lots of 50s and now http://www.pbpresults.com/ is today proclaiming "3 years 0 months 0 days until 20th edition of PBP", assuming a Sunday 20/08/2023 start I guess.
Fortunately I think it's still possible for me, no injury below waist and 3 years is enough but no wriggle room in the preparation schedule, got my distraction out of the way early and coincidently with the peak Covid distractions (as long as it doesn't return and is long gone before 2023). Of course some finishers say they went from zero to finish in a year but I don't think I am in that class.
Good luck to the class of 23, see you there.
I hope the recovery process goes well. You have a long time to build up the miles. Good luck!
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Fortunately I think it's still possible for me, no injury below waist and 3 years is enough but no wriggle room in the preparation schedule,
I have every confidence that you can do it. My injuries were nothing when compared to yours but I was off the bike and on crutches for the first half of 2014 following a smash and I rode PBP comfortably in 2015. I eased my way back into medium distances in the winter of 2014 and rode only one 600 in order to qualify the following spring. If you don't push yourself too hard at the start, I am sure you will be fine.
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Plenty of time to recover and build your fitness and endurance back up over the next few years. Be prepared to ride a 400 or 600 if not an SR in 2022 as part of pre qualification.
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Well up thread in January I rashly proclaimed my intention to front up for a first PBP in 2023, then late February a bad bike accident (on a 150, hit by a truck), 6 weeks in hospital, more broken bones than I thought existed, 4 months off bike and a slower than expected recovery,
Ouch! Bad luck. Hope the recovery goes as well as it can.
You've got loads of prep time for PBP. But good to start now. Slowly.
Others may well disagree, but as a full value rider myself [10 yrs junior], I'd be wary about getting too attached to plans and schedules. It's all very well having the idea that it's a bad idea to waste time at controls, but circumstances will dictate what you actually end up doing at the end of the day. If you've been riding through the night and it's been tipping it down, arriving at a control might feel like you've made it to heaven. So....you sit down, gobble food, put your head in your hands....and surface an hour later - which could easily eat away at any time you may have in hand. It's easily done....and is arguably better than pressing on when you're feeling a bit dodgy.
It's all a delicate balancing act between time and sleep.....and it gets more intense and stressful as the event unravels.
That's the beauty of being a full value rider - the beauty is deeply embedded in the stress :-)
See you there....[err...possibly.....looks at booze consumption!!]
Good luck
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Out of nowhere the itch came today to consider 2023. Thoroughly enjoyed my first one in 2015 and always said I'd return someday. Could well be the next one ...
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I live between Ambrières-les-Vallées and Gorron, two towns on the PBP route. Both husband and me are cyclists (in a very small way) and if we are still breathing at the time of the next PBP (one never knows!) we will certainly be about for food/drink/sleep/bathroom etc at the time.
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I live between Ambrières-les-Vallées and Gorron, two towns on the PBP route. Both husband and me are cyclists (in a very small way) and if we are still breathing at the time of the next PBP (one never knows!) we will certainly be about for food/drink/sleep/bathroom etc at the time.
Great stuff - hope to get a chance to see you. I vaguely remember Gorron from 2015 - we may even have met then!
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Word up and I honestly don't know how this affects anyone doing PBP, but it may be something to be aware of Due to the B word and I don't mean brevet, as new rules apply to Brits visiting France. Less than 90 day stay you don't need a visa but you do need other things. Full details on the French government link below - in English.
https://brexit.gouv.fr/sites/brexit/accueil/vous-etes-britannique-en/modalites-de-voyage-en.html
I post this not to alarm but just in case it affects you.
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I have a dream (no name is not Martin) that I can participate in 2023, will be my first and likely only chance but with, (according to pbpresults.com), only 2 years 3 months 8 days to go I am starting to have fears that it's not going to happen or travel from this far flung part of the Oz world is going to be difficult and expensive, assuming our benevolent government will let me out and back in, they are currently saying borders will remain mostly closed till mid 2022, wanting to ride my bicycle in France may not be considered sufficient excuse!.
Will France want 6,000 cyclists from all over the world, will ACP be able to pull it off given given who knows what new requirements for feeding, controlling and sleeping all those people, talk about a super spreader event, I guess I just have to keep training and hope.
Additional friendly faces on the route will be most welcome if I make it there. Been riding the 2019 route on my smart trainer in 3-4 hour chunks, almost up to Ambrières-les-Vallées so will keep an eye out for you, can't really see what the fuss is, hasn't been too difficult so far.
PS got my first vaccine shot today, no side effects so far so that's positive.
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Will France want 6,000 cyclists from all over the world, will ACP be able to pull it off given given who knows what new requirements for feeding, controlling and sleeping all those people, talk about a super spreader event, I guess I just have to keep training and hope.
I think ACP will move heaven and earth to stage the event, out of pride as much as anything else. A lot will depend on how some of the forthcoming big pro sport events, such as the Olympics and the football European Cup, go and whether they have a demonstrable impact on infections (I know the Olympics are going to be closed to foreigners). I imagine they will also look closely at how London-Edinburgh-London is run next year and consider whether any new measures that the organisers take can be applied to PBP too. IMO, the LEL organisers put a much greater emphasis on rider wellbeing and safety, so there may be much for ACP to learn.
As you say, just keep up the training and hope for the best, even if it turns out to be PBP2024!
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I think a lot will also depend on two further factors.
1. A successful rollout of vaccinations around the world, not just in France
2. No further new variants of Covid that could make the vaccine's less efficient
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Word up and I honestly don't know how this affects anyone doing PBP, but it may be something to be aware of Due to the B word and I don't mean brevet, as new rules apply to Brits visiting France. Less than 90 day stay you don't need a visa but you do need other things. Full details on the French government link below - in English.
https://brexit.gouv.fr/sites/brexit/accueil/vous-etes-britannique-en/modalites-de-voyage-en.html
I post this not to alarm but just in case it affects you.
Basically get health insurance, leave your ham'n cheese sarnies behind (to be replaced by sandwich jambon emmental when over the border) and don't forget the bike! Chief limitations for holiday makers are not importing controlled foodstuffs and having adequate health insurance (isn't there a card issued in UK now for overseas health care? Being on the other side i ignore that side of things!) It may be that you should take proof of UK purchase/prior ownership of various items to avoid problems with British Customs on the way home (and check up on your allowances - the days of 200 bottles of wine under the floor of the Fiesta are gone).
I get the regular UK Govt updates on living in France and they really are quite helpful - for travellers as well as residents.
This does not allow for whatever vaccination passports/other sanit(ar)y controls will be in place in two years time.
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It's not just leave your sarnies back in Old Blighty.
You need proof of medical cover (the EHIC no longer valid) including cover in case of repatriation on death IIRC, proof of where you are staying, proof of duration of stay, proof you have enough money to support yourself (with minimum requirements).
It's standard stuff for visiting from countries which are not in the EU, but as this is now a new situation for Brits after years of hassle-free travel in Europe, it may have been forgotten as to what is needed now.
Edit: I will leave it at that so the post doesn't get moved to elsewhere ;D
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You need proof of medical cover (the EHIC no longer valid)
Thew new exciting GHIC is valid in the EU (but not the rest of the EEA or any other part of the Globe):
https://www.gov.uk/global-health-insurance-card
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It's not just leave your sarnies back in Old Blighty.
You need proof of medical cover (the EHIC no longer valid) including cover in case of repatriation on death IIRC, proof of where you are staying, proof of duration of stay, proof you have enough money to support yourself (with minimum requirements).
It's standard stuff for visiting from countries which are not in the EU, but as this is now a new situation for Brits after years of hassle-free travel in Europe, it may have been forgotten as to what is needed now.
Edit: I will leave it at that so the post doesn't get moved to elsewhere ;D
I very much doubt the majority of Brits - and, especially, the Brexit-loving media and figureheads - will be fully aware of how onerous the French requirements, if fully enforced, are. I'm thinking particularly of the requirement for anyone who invites you to stay in their home as a guest to obtain a certificate from the town hall well in advance of your visit and send this to you to be produced at the border if requested. Given that, in normal times, I visit my godchildren and their mother in France two or three times a year, this could be a right PITA. Realistically, I'm not expecting that rule to be enforced on arrivals from the UK - I suspect it's aimed more at the country's immigrant communities and their family members - but one can never be too sure what the French might do if our imbecile of a PM pisses them off again.
No doubt, when the Brexiteers do catch on, these rules will be presented as being "new rules" being imposed on us poor Brits by vengeful foreigners. ::-)
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It's not just leave your sarnies back in Old Blighty.
You need proof of medical cover (the EHIC no longer valid) including cover in case of repatriation on death IIRC, proof of where you are staying, proof of duration of stay, proof you have enough money to support yourself (with minimum requirements).
It's standard stuff for visiting from countries which are not in the EU, but as this is now a new situation for Brits after years of hassle-free travel in Europe, it may have been forgotten as to what is needed now.
Edit: I will leave it at that so the post doesn't get moved to elsewhere ;D
EHIC remains valid till it expires.
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I very much doubt the majority of Brits - and, especially, the Brexit-loving media and figureheads - will be fully aware of how onerous the French requirements, if fully enforced, are. I'm thinking particularly of the requirement for anyone who invites you to stay in their home as a guest to obtain a certificate from the town hall well in advance of your visit and send this to you to be produced at the border if requested. Given that, in normal times, I visit my godchildren and their mother in France two or three times a year, this could be a right PITA. Realistically, I'm not expecting that rule to be enforced on arrivals from the UK - I suspect it's aimed more at the country's immigrant communities and their family members - but one can never be too sure what the French might do if our imbecile of a PM pisses them off again.
No doubt, when the Brexiteers do catch on, these rules will be presented as being "new rules" being imposed on us poor Brits by vengeful foreigners. ::-)
Exactly. I urge anyone wanting to come to visit France checks the French government website to see what the *French government* is saying is now necessary.
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I very much doubt the majority of Brits - and, especially, the Brexit-loving media and figureheads - will be fully aware of how onerous the French requirements, if fully enforced, are. I'm thinking particularly of the requirement for anyone who invites you to stay in their home as a guest to obtain a certificate from the town hall well in advance of your visit and send this to you to be produced at the border if requested. Given that, in normal times, I visit my godchildren and their mother in France two or three times a year, this could be a right PITA. Realistically, I'm not expecting that rule to be enforced on arrivals from the UK - I suspect it's aimed more at the country's immigrant communities and their family members - but one can never be too sure what the French might do if our imbecile of a PM pisses them off again.
No doubt, when the Brexiteers do catch on, these rules will be presented as being "new rules" being imposed on us poor Brits by vengeful foreigners. ::-)
Exactly. I urge anyone wanting to come to visit France checks the French government website to see what the *French government* is saying is now necessary.
Don't forget that we (the french and associated europeans) need your money so it is unlikely that we will be turning away respectable tourists (and the more BJ spouts off about take your holidays at home the more likely it becomes that M le Président will try to entice them over the Channel).
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Most of those requirements technically exist whenever you've been on holiday anywhere outside the EU/EEA. Some of them may even have existed for trips within.
The number of obvious tourists who are ever asked to prove it must be miniscule.
(definition of Obvious Tourist left to the reader and the Peter Griffin colour swatch)
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Looking into details about this great ride. Where can I find out past statistics, such as youngest, oldest male/female finishers? I tried googling but only found details for 2007. Surely this information must be recorded somewhere?
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You won’t be able to easily find out some of those records. Entrants’ ages have generally been redacted in the past few years.
The oldest ever male finisher was 80. Not sure about the oldest ever female finisher (at least low ‘70s). The youngest finishers are officially just over 18 (not allowed to start if younger) but at least one boy has finished with an erroneous date of birth. No doubt there have been more young finishers than I know about.
https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/en/download/AUDAX-PBP-RESULTATS-GB-2019.pdf gives some numbers for PBP19.
https://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pbp/recidivistes/main.html gives the birth years of PBPers.
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All seems to be rolling on, I had better get cracking for that longest pre-registration ride in the next 12 months, 8000-2500=5500 "others", a little more than 2019?
For this new edition, the organizers have seen their ambitions on the rise again. This time, Paris-brest-paris is counting on 8,000 participants. Faced with the challenges of such an organization, the audax club has chosen, for the first time, to rely on two project managers, Jean Pierre Chardon and Philippe Guillée. These two sports event professionals animated most of the meeting on Monday in Carhaix. “We take this opportunity to visit all the sites and meet the volunteers. It is a sharing of experience ”.
“Will French hikers have priority this time around? », Asks a Carhaisian participant, pointing to difficulties in registering, last time. “We were somewhat victims of our success, admits Luc Coppin. It is for this reason that we are increasing the number of participants. 2,500 places will be reserved for the French. There have never been so many ”.
Some discussion regarding route etc also covered
https://www.pressreader.com/france/le-telegramme-carhaix/20211117/282132114695485
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I wouldn't say victims of success.
I would say victims of the inertia of many French clubs. There are only about a dozen club, mainly centered in Brittany, the north and the Paris area offering brevets in non PBP years. This decreases the experience of French riders and causes that many don't have an option within reasonable distance to do brevets the year before PBP.
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I wouldn't say victims of success.
I would say victims of the inertia of many French clubs. There are only about a dozen club, mainly centered in Brittany, the north and the Paris area offering brevets in non PBP years. This decreases the experience of French riders and causes that many don't have an option within reasonable distance to do brevets the year before PBP.
That's a bit of a weak excuse in my opinion, the requirement isn't to do multiple 200s in the previous years it's to do one long ride. Riding a 600 or 1000km brevet certainly justifies travelling somewhere else.
My 2018 pre qualifier was borders of Belgium, it's not like I completed a pre qualifier in my home town. There is nothing stopping the French riders doing the same, rather than just assuming they can get a place, when 2023 rolls around.
The argument is whether priority on PBP should be for people who routinely do randonees, or French people. There is nothing stopping the French from completing randonees for early entry. But other people cannot become French to qualify.
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But its a french event, relying heavily on french volunteers , LEL is no different it guarantees a place to every member
Is what it is.
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.... it guarantees a place to every member
Before I get emails from members wondering why they aren't on the LEL eligibility list, I just want to clarify that you must have been an AUK member continuously since 12/09/18 and must renew again this year by 31/12/21.
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I agree with postie.
PBP is a quintessentially French event and it is right for French riders to get preferential entries which account for the variable nature of brevet riding in France in non-PBP years. A big part of the support in controls and at the roadside is because there are many ‘local riders’ taking part.
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But its a french event, relying heavily on french volunteers , LEL is no different it guarantees a place to every member
Is what it is.
The majority of those volunteers will likely be regular randonneurs or ex randonneurs not those people from other areas of France demanding priority when the pre-qualification standard was very easy to meet.
, LEL is no different it guarantees a place to every member
Not to every member, only those with continuous membership for several years.
As you say it is what it is, and I have no worries about getting a place, so I don't really care one way or the other.
The issue is the complaints that somehow they messed up last time. When anyone that wanted to ride could have completed a 400 in 2018 and got a place, and even those that didn't may well have been OK, if they had just persisted with their SR series.
The only people who missed out are those who aren't interested in randonneuring, except when it's PBP
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I don’t have a major problem with French folk only randonneuring 1 year in 4. Many people don’t make long distance riding their main aim in life.
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When I saw the original story I thought it was very positive for us all, an extra 1000 places over 2019 for local French riders to help guarantee local support, (noting it is only 500 over the 2015 actual French riders) and an extra 500 for the rest over 2019 (1500 over 2015) so good for everyone. The challenge will be pumping an extra 1500 riders through the controls. I assume if there is going to be a local quota / reserved places it will have to apply down to each of the start group levels / time limits? Hopefully the message is going out NOW from the regional clubs (worldwide) that a longest BRM ride in the next 12 months is going to be a very good idea (assuming that is going to be the prioritising system for 2023)?
PS Just noting that 2000 plus/minus about 200 has been the fairly static French participation at each PBP for the last 10 editions (back to 1983) except 2019 when it dropped to 1535, (the lowest since 1979). Non-French has grown over the same period from about 400 in 1983 to over 5000 in 2019. 2023 is proposed to be 2500 French / 5500 Rest-of-world (total 8000), seems reasonable?
PBP French Others Total
1975 625 104 729
1979 1636 245 1881
1983 1828 369 2197
1987 1915 775 2690
1991 2208 1180 3388
1995 1761 1215 2976
1999 1971 1716 3687
2003 1996 2188 4184
2007 2240 3070 5310
2011 2037 3188 5225
2015 2012 4037 6049
2019 1535 5138 6673
2023 2500 5500 8000
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LATEST STATEMENT FROM ORGANISERS:
Report of the presentation
Paris Brest Paris 2023
Friday, November 19, 2023 we received the organizers of paris-Brest-Paris, came to present the next organization and meet the managers of the reception point of Mortagne as well as elected officials, partners and local press.
Present at this meeting were Dominique Vaux for the town hall, Adèle Gautier-Lamiroté director of the carré du perche and head of the tourist office, Crédit Mutuel, the journalists of Perche and Ouest-France,as well asseveral members of the club ofcyclos hikers of the perche.
A new management team of the ACP (Audax-Club-Parisien) presented itselfas
Luc Coppain President, Philippe Guillée responsible for the course, Jean-Pierre Chardon head of the project and Jean-Pierre Pendu consultant.
For this new edition, which will be the 20th, the ACP is calling on an event provider, Jean-Pierre Chardon, to bring a new way of working to this world-famous organization, which continues to grow and which is now the largest cycling tour in the world, the first edition having taken place in 1895.
The 2023 edition will take place from 20 to 24 August.
- 8000 participants including 2500 French
- 70 countries and 5 continents represented
- Course 1200 km 10.000 meters of elevation gain
- 5 regions, 9 departments and 180 municipalities crossed
- There will be no more control of thebikes before the start but more control on the course especially on the safety equipment ...
Some modifications are announced in particular on the course in Bretagne to no longer take the same roads on the outward and return journeys in order toavoid the crossing of the participants, to facilitate traffic.
A new software for the management of volunteer teams is planned, the computer monitoring of participants set up in 2019 will be renewed.
Thank you to the participants of this first meeting which will call for others.
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The first PBP race was in 1891. I don’t know where 1895 comes into it.
No cycle check the day before this time. I suppose not too many riders were failing their bike check in recent editions.
I wonder if we do Roc Trevezel in both directions next time.
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The African continent not represented ?
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Some folk figure that Europe and Asia is one continent.
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Interesting
This opens the door to a Carhaix - Carhaix route with no retrace, some 170km potentially v. 50km previously.
Something might be lost in not crossing the Roc twice (and visiting Sizun too for that matter) but I guess that catering for up to 8,000 participants will mean some compromises
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Interesting
This opens the door to a Carhaix - Carhaix route with no retrace, some 170km potentially v. 50km previously.
Something might be lost in not crossing the Roc twice (and visiting Sizun too for that matter) but I guess that catering for up to 8,000 participants will mean some compromises
When I read various other local newspapers which are mentioned on Facebook, I get the impression that for a large portion of the route the outbound route won't be the same as the inbound route.
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I wonder if we do Roc Trevezel in both directions next time.
doesn't sound like it
Some modifications are announced in particular on the course in Bretagne to no longer take the same roads on the outward and return journeys in order to avoid the crossing of the participants, to facilitate traffic.
I wonder what the note about bike checks on the course mean, will they randomly stop people and give their bike a check? Would be hard to split a single rider out of a large group
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I wonder if we do Roc Trevezel in both directions next time.
doesn't sound like it
Some modifications are announced in particular on the course in Bretagne to no longer take the same roads on the outward and return journeys in order to avoid the crossing of the participants, to facilitate traffic.
I wonder what the note about bike checks on the course mean, will they randomly stop people and give their bike a check? Would be hard to split a single rider out of a large group
My guess is that they might just pare it back to rely on the existing arrangements where the motards out on the road check for adequate lighting and requisite hi viz and will order errant riders to pull over and fix the issue. The possible time penalty sanction should be enough to ensure compliance. For anything else there probably nothing much to check as most riders (rightly) prep their bike to within an inch of its life for PBP.
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The African continent not represented ?
Some folk figure that Europe and Asia is one continent.
more likely
"An alternative five-continent model is the one adopted, among others, by the Olympic Charter, which excludes Antarctica as uninhabited and lists the following five: Africa, Europe, Asia, America, and Oceania"
Remembering that the five rings on the Olympic flag represent the FIVE continents, even though most people consider north and south America to be separate continents
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An informative interview with the PBP Project Manager on the final plans for PBP 2023
https://www.renehersecycles.com/pbp-how-to-qualify-and-prepare/
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Just to be 100% sure... I assume I have until 31st Oct to ride any BRM events to help with entry next year?
[I've been off the bike for months, but mojo returning & so I wouldn't mind keeping my options open for next year...]
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Just to be 100% sure... I assume I have until 31st Oct to ride any BRM events to help with entry next year?
[I've been off the bike for months, but mojo returning & so I wouldn't mind keeping my options open for next year...]
Yes - 31.10.22 - and the longer the BRM event the better your chances of a place on PBP & choice of start time.
In 2019 I believe that pre registration stopped once opened to riders who had completed a 300km BRM the year before (but not 200kms). This thread documents the unfolding drama in early 2019 -> https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=110768.0
However as it turned out in 2019 there were such a significant number of pre registrations that were not converted into final confirmed places, it transpired that anybody who completed their SR in 2019 could have got a place, even if they hadnt pre registered - as long as they completed their 2019 SR in the required window.
However, the twist in the tale is that the pre registrations NOT converted to confirmed places happened relatively late in the 2019 SR window by which stage it was too late for some riders ie those who had [entirely reasonably] taken the lack of ability to pre register as a sign that they wouldn't get a place and as a result hadn't started their 2019 SR.
Moral of the story
(i) If very keen - do as long a BRM event as you can by 31.10.2022 - last time a 300km BRM event in 2018 was enough to pre register
(ii) Even if you don't do any BRM events in 2021/22 do not assume you wont get a PBP place - start your SR in 2023 if you are in any way interested in PBP.
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That’s not right. Pre-registration was available to 200 km riders and even to non-entities, though pickings of the 90 hours slots were exceedingly thin by then.
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That’s not right. Pre-registration was available to 200 km riders and even to non-entities, though pickings of the 90 hours slots were exceedingly thin by then.
fair enough. I stand corrected (I lost a bit of interest in pre registration last time once it got to the 300s tbh). :thumbsup:
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Thanks - there are only 2x200 BRMs I can possibly try for before the end of October… so will sign up & hope my legs can remember how to ride ::-) :facepalm:
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(ii) Even if you don't do any BRM events in 2021/22 do not assume you wont get a PBP place - start your SR in 2023 if you are in any way interested in PBP.
Deano reminded me the other day it was PBP next year ( :facepalm:), so that's my plan.
Surprised theres no late season 200 BRMs this year (except for one or two down South), I always thought there was a bunch.
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There'll be a few just a ferry ride away. Plenty of them in the Netherlands and Belgium, a few in France. There's even a 600 in september available.
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(ii) Even if you don't do any BRM events in 2021/22 do not assume you wont get a PBP place - start your SR in 2023 if you are in any way interested in PBP.
Deano reminded me the other day it was PBP next year ( :facepalm:), so that's my plan.
Surprised theres no late season 200 BRMs this year (except for one or two down South), I always thought there was a bunch.
There'll be a few just a ferry ride away. Plenty of them in the Netherlands and Belgium, a few in France. There's even a 600 in september available.
We won't be doing the 600 but Mr Smith & I might take the tandem on a ferry for the lolz (and flat-ness, obv)
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There'll be a few just a ferry ride away. Plenty of them in the Netherlands and Belgium, a few in France. There's even a 600 in september available.
Long way off a 600 at the minute (probably a long way off a 200 in all honesty FML).
Looking at the Kalender, the Dronten and Maasland 200s look easy enough to get to. Hmm. Good job I've been practicing riding on the right all summer.
The start time is between 8am and 9am. The route runs through the Westland between the greenhouses to The Hague. In The Hague we drive a junction route so that you encounter as few traffic lights as possible. We cycle across the Binnenhof with the Torentje van Rutte, the center of power, where the rules are drawn up. Then you pass the Malieveld and we enter the Haagse Bos. We cycle past the palace of Willem-Alexander and Maxima and through the
estates of Wassenaar. We drive around Schiphol, where you can see how much space is needed for the runways. After Schiphol we drive through the Amsterdamse Bos, with the rowing course, of the Amsterdam Olympic Games of 1928. Then to the control in restaurant De Manen in Amstelveen. On the way back you cycle through the green Heart of Holland, with a very nice piece of easy gravel to Woerden where you can eat and drink at the station if you want. Via Bodegraven and past Gouda to the finish in Maasland.
We start at sports complex Avontura in Dronten, province of Flevoland. The province that was conquered from the sea about 80 years ago. It doesn't even get any flatter in the Netherlands. Long straight roads, rows of trees, looking out over the fields, that's the Vogelweg, 22 km long.
We leave Flevoland via the Stichtsebrug over the Gooimeer, which takes us to Huizen in the province of North Holland.
The first checkpoint will be on the 60th km in Bunschoten in the province of Utrecht. Almost the entire stretch through the fourth province, Gelderland, goes via hills, with the highest point of about 60 m on the popular Strava segment De Dellen. But even before De Dellen, the free control comes to Vierhouten, the village that lies between four forests, on the 100th km.
Over the IJsselbrug and the river IJssel we enter the fifth province, Overijssel, and drive a bit through the capital Zwolle. Via the dike of the river Zwarte Water we leave Zwolle fairly quickly and we enter the historic town of Hasselt, which was already inhabited in the year 1000 BC.
The last checkpoint is located in Meppel, the southernmost city of the sixth province of this route, Drenthe, at approximately 160 km.
We meander along the Stouwe ditch to the village of Zwartsluis, which used to be the transit port for peat from Drenthe. We have to cross the Zwarte Water again and that can be done via the ferry in Genemuiden (until 19:00) or via the bridge in Hasselt. From the ferry, the route follows the Kampeerzeedijk to Grafhorst.
It continues via IJsselmuiden and we drive into the beautiful city of Kampen. Kampen is easy to drive on via the Flevoweg, follow it further and we will enter Flevoland again at the Roggebotsluis.
Start and finish place Avontura offers free showers when consumption is consumed at the finish (otherwise 2 Euro).
The Dutch are not a fan of the old ridewithgps link are they...
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The Dutch are not a fan of the old ridewithgps link are they...
Don't worry. Closer to the event we make the GPX-tracks available for download on our website (and more information will appear soon).
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The Dutch are not a fan of the old ridewithgps link are they...
Don't worry. Closer to the event we make the GPX-tracks available for download on our website (and more information will appear soon).
A bit behind the pre qual time. But if anyone wants an early 200k qualifier. I've got a 200k starting in Amsterdam in early December.
J
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The Dutch are not a fan of the old ridewithgps link are they...
Don't worry. Closer to the event we make the GPX-tracks available for download on our website (and more information will appear soon).
A bit behind the pre qual time. But if anyone wants an early 200k qualifier. I've got a 200k starting in Amsterdam in early December.
J
No, pre-qualification is exactly what this season's events are. December might be too early for a qualifier, I'm not sure what the dates are but it's usually Jan-Mar for your 200.
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<snip>Maasland</snip>
Is the one we're going for. I think this is last year's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/37806915
Get in touch and we'll share travel?
First 200 for Mr Smith since 2019. What could possibly go wrong?
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No, pre-qualification is exactly what this season's events are. December might be too early for a qualifier, I'm not sure what the dates are but it's usually Jan-Mar for your 200.
Qualifiers can't be too early. As long as they're BRMs and in the right season as a rider you're fine.
The date ranges floating around are suggestions for organisers.
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No, pre-qualification is exactly what this season's events are. December might be too early for a qualifier, I'm not sure what the dates are but it's usually Jan-Mar for your 200.
Qualifiers can't be too early. As long as they're BRMs and in the right season as a rider you're fine.
The date ranges floating around are suggestions for organisers.
Really? They can certainly be too late.
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Traditionally different regions had different starts to qualifying periods for each distance. ACP had hard limits for the last date for each distance regardless of location. The southern hemisphere could qualify with a full SR before Christmas while those above the Equator had to wait till New Year at least. Different countries started their qualifiers on different dates. Individual riders could ignore qualification date restrictions as long as each brevet complied with local restrictions (I took advantage of that at least once). That might all have changed this time round.
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An early november 200 usually draws quite a crowd and can indeed be used for your 200k qualifier.
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200's are 13 to a dozen ;D Though the Boekelo - Tecklenburg ride on December 28th is a nice tradition. I think the next one is the 10th anniversary? (the last two (three?) editions were canceled because of the plague)
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This thread reminded me that in 2007 I completed my 400k and 600km PBP qualifiers in Mallorca over a 4 day period in early May ie ahead of the UK window for the latter.
I was persuaded to do this by my self appointed Audax mentor who was very wise. We went off route on the 400km, missed a control and ended up doing 450km and finished the 400 less than 24 hours before the scheduled start of the 600km ride.
On the flight back to Edinburgh he assured me that having bagged my SR I was one of the northern hemispheres first PBP qualifiers.
Anyhow, all the UK based 200km rides from 01.11.2022 - 31.12.2022 appear to be BR not BRM so would be no use as PBP qualifiers.
Looks like somebody UK based and super keen to get their 200k done asap after the start of the new season would have to travel.
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Qualifying super early is a silly thing to do. Anecdotally, Aussies qualifying before Christmas DNF PBP at a noticeably higher rate.
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Forget about qualification plans. Have you all booked your accommodation ?
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I haven’t found anywhere that would let me book that far ahead yet. Perhaps next week?
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A different way to get from the UK to France for PBP
https://saillink.co.uk/
Dover to Boulogne-sur-Mer on a sailing boat. Space for two bikes per crossing
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I've got my accommodation sorted for next year - an apartment on the Rue de Magenta in Paris owned by a former colleague who lets a select few (+ me!) use it from time to time in return for a donation to his drinks cabinet.
Its a minor schlep to get to Rambouillet via Montparnasse but overall well worth it. With no bike check planned for 2023 its a journey that will only have to be made once anyway.
If I don't ride next year I'll head over and help out.
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Had never given it a thought that there might be BRM's in Majorca.
As a holiday destination at least once a year, I am certainly interested in riding at least a 200k there next year.
Will keep an eye on the website/s. :thumbsup:
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I've got my accommodation sorted for next year - an apartment on the Rue de Magenta in Paris owned by a former colleague who lets a select few (+ me!) use it from time to time in return for a donation to his drinks cabinet.
Its a minor schlep to get to Rambouillet via Montparnasse but overall well worth it. With no bike check planned for 2023 its a journey that will only have to be made once anyway.
If I don't ride next year I'll head over and help out.
How does one get to help out at the start? I missed out in 2019 but with a daughter just the other side of the Rambouillet forest I am very tempted for next year. Is it contact ACP directly or is it a question of knowing someone?
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I've got my accommodation sorted for next year - an apartment on the Rue de Magenta in Paris owned by a former colleague who lets a select few (+ me!) use it from time to time in return for a donation to his drinks cabinet.
Its a minor schlep to get to Rambouillet via Montparnasse but overall well worth it. With no bike check planned for 2023 its a journey that will only have to be made once anyway.
If I don't ride next year I'll head over and help out.
At this stage contact the ACP. Or just drop in during the ACP remise des récompenses in january.
How does one get to help out at the start? I missed out in 2019 but with a daughter just the other side of the Rambouillet forest I am very tempted for next year. Is it contact ACP directly or is it a question of knowing someone?
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How does one get to help out at the start? I missed out in 2019 but with a daughter just the other side of the Rambouillet forest I am very tempted for next year. Is it contact ACP directly or is it a question of knowing someone?
Might be worth dropping Chris Crossland (AUK Chair) a line as he is our ACP rep too. There may well be a need for some AUK helpers at the start - sometimes we have a stall at the registration.
I've realised that I am probably not going to be able to ride next year so may be doing that myself.
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Is October inclusive for pre-qualifying for 2023? Is Any BRM event in October good for pre-qualification?
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Yes
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How does one get to help out at the start? I missed out in 2019 but with a daughter just the other side of the Rambouillet forest I am very tempted for next year. Is it contact ACP directly or is it a question of knowing someone?
Might be worth dropping Chris Crossland (AUK Chair) a line as he is our ACP rep too. There may well be a need for some AUK helpers at the start - sometimes we have a stall at the registration.
I've realised that I am probably not going to be able to ride next year so may be doing that myself.
As far as I'm aware, and this is information already in the public domain, there is going to be an online volunteer hub, possibly located at the slightly updated PBP website at www.paris-brest-paris.org which currently will allow you to see a web link to download a volunteer application form. However it hasn't yet been updated to let you have the form.
I think that we will find out more in the fullness of time, hopefully sooner rather than later.
For anybody looking to volunteer at one of the other controls, the word is that you should apply directly to the one(s) that you are interested in.
Chris
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I've come to the conclusion that I can't afford 2023
Bugger.
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UK Qualifying dates -as per the AUK website
200k: Sat 7 Jan - Sun 30 Apr
300k: Sat 11 Mar - Sun 21 May
400k: Sun 9 Apr - Sat 10 Jun
600k: Sat 6 May - Sat 24 June
IIRC that's pretty much the same as in past seasons. If we all play nicely and don't book up umpteen backups just in case, there will plenty of places for everyone to qualify. Last time, I think I booked a gnarly 600 on the grounds it would prove good practice and if I didn't get round I would do something else that didn't require qualifying rides instead.
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UK Qualifying dates -as per the AUK website
200k: Sat 7 Jan - Sun 30 Apr
300k: Sat 11 Mar - Sun 21 May
400k: Sun 9 Apr - Sat 10 Jun
600k: Sat 6 May - Sat 24 June
If we all play nicely ...........
My 600 (17/18 June) has just gone into the calendar -> https://www.audax.uk/event-details/9997-the_abbey_craig
In order to encourage playing nicely in PBP year its got
- Effectively an unlimited field (officially 100 but there hasn't been a 600 in Scotland with more than 75 starters in the last 20 yrs)
- Entries open til 2 days before the start (and if Ive got cards available I'll take entries after that too)
- A non trivial entry fee (£25)
Mandatory route, don’t see that too often. Presumably you have to have one or two secret controls for that to work?
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17 controls!? I thought the idea of a mandatory route with secret control(s) was that you don't need an info control at every turn of the route?
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12 controls (none of them info's) including the start and finish ;)
https://audax.uk/event-details/10015-slaithwaite
A bit over distance but that's the pay-off, and I can point you at the short-cuts if you want gratuitous hills.
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You can also route down many A roads in the north without it being a deeply unpleasant experience for riders. With the A road being the shortest route in most cases. Certainly down in East of England you really don’t want to route down most A roads unless overnight. Hence all the extra infos now being seen for next years events, when they weren’t seen for the same events this year. Min distance enforcement is getting stricter with trunk roads and dual carriageways seen as fair game.
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What is the point of a mandatory route brevet if the controls define the minimum distance anyway? Fixed route brevets I’ve ridden in other countries commonly can be under-distance if shortcut between fixed controls. The secret control/s are supposed to avoid the ‘multitude of controls’ issue.
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PBP is over distance. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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PBP has giant wiggles in it that are eminently missable. I think it’s something like 1030 km MDBC.
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PBP is about 103% of nominal distance = no big deal for most folk. Many AUK brevets are close to 110%, usually 200s though. Longer AUK brevets tend towards 105% of nominal.
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Min distance enforcement is getting stricter with trunk roads and dual carriageways seen as fair game.
Yeh, I've got one event with a "A9 just dinnae" in the info and another with a control to keep riders the fuck off it.
I'm hoping the stories of the A9 being specialed after the upgrade are true, the locals at Dalmuir have aparently been told that's the reason the Anderson bridge is due to be repaired, which means the rarely driven on section of old road from calvine to dalnachardoch will be one busier with agricultural traffic. Although it would probably completely destroy any chance of someone claiming a new LeJog record.
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My Flatlands/Fenland Friends 600s have infos popping up all over them. ::-) But I'd rather that than have to run a couple of secret controls for however many hours. The routes have been slightly extended too, on just the one stage, but they're still basically the same events. So far, the other qualifier (Horsepower 200km) has been accepted as it is, with NO infos! :thumbsup:
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My 200,300,400,600 PBP qualifiers have now all passed the stricter minimum distance requirements. The 200 and 600 are published and taking entries, the 300 and 400 are imminent having been approved tonight.
Phew, got them through before deadline for approval of PBP qualifying events. Took longer than expected as had to review and update controls of my existing events, not just my new 600. Sure I’m not the only organiser who’s seen this.
The 300 is the most over distance at 3.3% but I have some route tweaks to look at, at my leisure, which would bring that down if I deem them suitable.