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Mr Larrington

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #125 on: 09 October, 2019, 12:51:39 pm »
Mahindra did try flogging their Jeep knockoff to BRITONS for a while, to general derision from press and public alike.

The Fnord that puzzled me most was the Ka+.  You take a sub-Fiesta-sized Ka and expand it into something the same size as a Fiesta ???  And it remains the only vehicle I've ever driven in which you could operate all three pedals simultaneously with the same foot.
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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #126 on: 09 October, 2019, 01:08:10 pm »
The Ka has always been a derivative of the Fiesta platform, does anyone by the KA because they prefer its styling over the fiesta? hm...

Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #127 on: 09 October, 2019, 01:17:08 pm »
Moderns Kas are Fiat 500s.

The Ka+ seems to be a cheapified Fiesta for lower income markets, and not derived from the normal Ka.

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #128 on: 09 October, 2019, 01:29:57 pm »
Moderns Kas are Fiat 500s.

The Ka+ seems to be a cheapified Fiesta for lower income markets, and not derived from the normal Ka.

I'd missed that, the 2nd Generation was on the Fiat Mini platform,

The current one seems to be KA+ (From 2016 onwards) appears to be on the Ford B platform
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_B3_platform

So yeah unrelated, any new KA's must be NOS...

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #129 on: 09 October, 2019, 08:08:10 pm »
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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #131 on: 09 October, 2019, 09:36:43 pm »

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #132 on: 09 October, 2019, 09:48:27 pm »
At some point, SUVs are going to come with built-in microwave ovens...

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #133 on: 09 October, 2019, 09:50:47 pm »
At some point, SUVs are going to come with built-in microwave ovens...

Wouldn't that make it an RV?

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #134 on: 09 October, 2019, 10:04:26 pm »
At some point, SUVs are going to come with built-in microwave ovens...

Wouldn't that make it an RV?

It's not recreational if you're using it on the school run.

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #135 on: 09 October, 2019, 11:38:50 pm »
At some point, SUVs are going to come with built-in microwave ovens...

Wouldn't that make it an RV?

It's not recreational if you're using it on the school run.

Nor is that Sports Utility though...


Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #136 on: 10 October, 2019, 01:20:54 am »
At some point, SUVs are going to come with built-in microwave ovens...

Wouldn't that make it an RV?

It's not recreational if you're using it on the school run.

Nor is that Sports Utility though...

Though possibly Sports fUtility if it's the kids' games day.

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #137 on: 10 October, 2019, 11:41:44 am »
Shouldn't turning it into a mobile kitchen reneder it liable for commercial VED?

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #138 on: 10 October, 2019, 11:47:57 am »
You can't car your way out of parking problems.

No, but you can time your way out of parking problems, shopping at 2am when even the shelf stacking activity is reduced is much less stressful.

During term time, our road's just as clogged with parked cars at 2am as it is during the day. I've rarely had trouble parking at a supermarket, you just have to walk a little further (which is fine when you've got a trolley to carry all the stuff in one go).
Our road's more clogged at 2am, cos all the residents have parked their cars and gone to bed. But it used to be more clogged during the day, cos people who lived further out but worked centrally parked here. That was stopped by the previous mayor (retired architect, ex-Tory, posh boy, Green leanings, green implementations, red trousers) introducing residents parking zones, which were going to spread and cover the whole city but the current mayor (Labour, grey suits, tarmac leanings, apparently first black directly elected mayor in Europe, evangelical Christian) reversed that (as he did the 20mph zones extensions). But the current zones are intact and still keeping the streets a bit less crowded.
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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #139 on: 10 October, 2019, 01:43:42 pm »
Shouldn't turning it into a mobile kitchen reneder it liable for commercial VED?
2 burner hob, sink, sleeping area convertible into seats = Motorhome for classification purposes hence RV.
The advantage of that is it also changes your vans speed limits.

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #140 on: 13 October, 2019, 05:49:10 pm »
Surely the "van" speed limits should be applied to these behemoth SUVs?

And the M6 Toll should charge then the van rate?

After all, they are bigger and heavier than some vans.

When I am plodding along gently in Big Van (my sleep-over van, registered as a motorhome, slept in when working away on client sites) it does shock me rather to see the speed those things go at. Move Over White Van Man- you have competition!

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #141 on: 13 October, 2019, 07:01:29 pm »
The van limits seem to be a hang over from when vans were still ladder chassis with coachwork put on them and didn't handle anything like a car...
Which of course these days still applies to coachworked motorhomes but not your average transit which seems to be as nimble as a focus and driven like it's a Focus ST.

Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #142 on: 18 October, 2019, 12:45:52 pm »
Surely the "van" speed limits should be applied to these behemoth SUVs?

And the M6 Toll should charge then the van rate?

After all, they are bigger and heavier than some vans.

When I am plodding along gently in Big Van (my sleep-over van, registered as a motorhome, slept in when working away on client sites) it does shock me rather to see the speed those things go at. Move Over White Van Man- you have competition!

GC

Those Audi Q7 (Other brands available) are available in 5.0ltr format so certainly bigger than a lot of vans. Porsche cayenne esp the Turbo versions are just plain fast.

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #143 on: 19 October, 2019, 09:11:15 am »
There was a good reason behind that motor-paced chap's decision to use a Cayenne as his pace car :demon:
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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #144 on: 19 October, 2019, 11:41:44 am »
Anyway, so basically they're too big, too powerful, too fast, too polluting, and more dangerous for everyone, including their occupants.

Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #145 on: 19 October, 2019, 12:04:08 pm »
[whine]But my neighbour's got one, and I feel inadequate if I haven't.[/whine]
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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #146 on: 19 October, 2019, 12:49:59 pm »
Anyway, so basically they're too big, too powerful, too fast, too polluting, and more dangerous for everyone, including their occupants.

But, but everyone's got/getting one and they feel so safe!

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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #147 on: 19 October, 2019, 10:47:25 pm »
Anyway, so basically they're too big, too powerful, too fast, too polluting, and more dangerous for everyone, including their occupants.

But, but everyone's got/getting one and they feel so safe!


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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #148 on: 25 October, 2019, 05:00:25 pm »
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As the global fleet of SUVs has grown, its emissions have increased more than fourfold in just eight years.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2019/oct/25/suvs-second-biggest-cause-of-emissions-rise-figures-reveal
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Re: The Rise (and Fall) of the Suburban Main Battle Tank
« Reply #149 on: 25 October, 2019, 05:07:57 pm »
More unexpectedly:
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Safety Gap Grows Wider Between S.U.V.'s and Cars
Which turns out to mean:
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People driving or riding in a sport utility vehicle in 2003 were nearly 11 percent more likely to die in an accident than people in cars, the figures show.
That's USA stats, I suppose it might be different here, though I don't know that it would. Though I've just realised that article's 15 years old!
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''It's largely a function of the rollover problem,'' said Rae Tyson, a spokesman for the traffic agency. ''In certain types of crashes, you're more likely to be better off in an S.U.V., but that is offset by the fact the you're more likely to roll over.''
And:
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The ways that people who own different types of vehicles tend to drive them is also a factor, especially in the case of sports cars.
No shit!
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