Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => GPS => Topic started by: nammynake on 19 March, 2017, 08:39:16 pm
-
I've been using my trusty Garmin 500 for the last few years but time has come to upgrade to something with better mapping. The 'breadcrumb' feature is fine but does result in quite a few about-turns. Not a big issue for occasional use but I'm doing LEL this year and reckon after several days I'll end up throwing the thing into a river.
I've reviewed the options and the new Elemnt Bolt looks just the ticket. The only question I have (and it's a big if) is if you can charge the device while recording. I've searched here and on google but can only find a single reference to the original Elemnt and not the BOLT. Does anyone know if the BOLT will support charging while recording?
Ta
-
I've got one on order - should be here tomorrow (from Sigma). Using the aero mount sits the Bolt tight up against the stem and effectively blocks the charging socket which is at the bottom (with a blue cover). There are other mounts which should overcome this, inc Wahoo's own stem mount, or the Elemnt out front mount (I think). I can't answer your question directly, but take a look at the unofficial forum - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/wahoo-elemnt-users
I had an original Elemnt but eventually returned it - issues with mapping not rendering and I hated the vague side buttons - I'm hoping this redesign addresses that - certainly the buttons look different.
Edit - looking on the forum it certainly seems possible for the Elemnt, so it should be ok with the Bolt as they are identical inside the case.
-
I can confirm that it can be charged whilst using. I saw this confirmed by Wahoo themselves on the DC Rainmaker site. I have an Elemnt and I've not had any issues with map rendering so I imagine that this is a bug that they have fixed.
-
When the Elemnt (argh keep having to undo the auto-correct - just added to dictionary) first came out I was interested but it seemed to not be the right fit. It seems from DC Rainmaker's review of the Bolt that a lot of missing features have been added via firmware updates.
I got the impression that charging might be possible with the right connector - I'll receive mine in a couple of weeks and I got a down micro USB connector. I had worried that the charging port might not be accessible at all but they've moved it to the rear. I think this arrangement might be more secure than having it on the bottom.
I've become a bit of a Wahoo collector having an RFLKT+, TickrX and KickR already.
Will report back once it arrives and I've tested it out. One issue I need to solve is how to generate routes for it.
-
I got the impression that charging might be possible with the right connector - I'll receive mine in a couple of weeks and I got a down micro USB connector. I had worried that the charging port might not be accessible at all but they've moved it to the rear. I think this arrangement might be more secure than having it on the bottom.
I've become a bit of a Wahoo collector having an RFLKT+, TickrX and KickR already.
Will report back once it arrives and I've tested it out. One issue I need to solve is how to generate routes for it.
The charging port is on the bottom, not the rear. Routes are generated in ridewithgps and synced.
-
I got the impression that charging might be possible with the right connector - I'll receive mine in a couple of weeks and I got a down micro USB connector. I had worried that the charging port might not be accessible at all but they've moved it to the rear. I think this arrangement might be more secure than having it on the bottom.
I've become a bit of a Wahoo collector having an RFLKT+, TickrX and KickR already.
Will report back once it arrives and I've tested it out. One issue I need to solve is how to generate routes for it.
The charging port is on the bottom, not the rear. Routes are generated in ridewithgps and synced.
On the Elemnt, the charging port is definitely on the underside. Although DC Rainmaker describes it as being "on the bottom" that does not match what is in the pictures on his site:
(https://media.dcrainmaker.com/images/2017/03/DSC_8442.jpg)
I would say that's on the rear.
Now, as for the downloading of routes created with RideWithGps - this is not a route I want to go down. So I'll be investigating how to download routes I already have once I get my hands on one. As the device can be accessed as a removable media from a mac or pc, this may allow me to experiment a bit. That's how I get routes onto the Etrex 30 at present.
-
Upload routes into RWGPS , then download to Bolt. Can be done wirelessly
-
I would say that's on the rear.
The rear would be on the back side of the face. The socket is on the bottom. For a Mac to access the Bolt as a drive, Wahoo say 'For Mac Users: An additional application is required to function as an interface'. I have asked them for info on this. Windows can mount as a drive out of the box it seems.
-
For Mac you need to use the Android File Transfer program.
-
For Mac you need to use the Android File Transfer program.
Ah, useful thanks, I have that for other stuff (although it’s a bit flaky) as I use an Android phone - so presumably the Elemnt is built on Android then?
-
For Mac you need to use the Android File Transfer program.
Ah, useful thanks, I have that for other stuff (although it’s a bit flaky) as I use an Android phone - so presumably the Elemnt is built on Android then?
Not necessarily.
Sounds like it works as an Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) device. This is pretty standard for any Android or Windows phones, or most MP3 players or cameras etc.
Windows supports MTP as standard, but Mac OS doesn't. So you need some extra software.
-
USB cable has arrived.
Just need the Bolt now. :)
-
I wonder if a 90-degree cable could be used to charge this, given the proximity of the port to the bars/stem?
-
I wonder if a 90-degree cable could be used to charge this, given the proximity of the port to the bars/stem?
.
Rather than left or right I bought a down cable. Pics suggest it should work. To be seen.
-
Just received my Elemnt Bolt, not tried the routing yet, but am looking to try all the main available options, RideWithGPS, Komoots, and the "look up place in companion app and get directions to there" feature...
-
My problem with the outfront mount is that the mount for my bar bag gets in the way (on my Hewitt Cheviot tourer), so I'll probably just have to use the basic mount on the stem or handlebars.
I ordered an extra basic mount, hope this will work on my M6R-X Brompton's bars when that's ready to collect.
-
Just received my Elemnt Bolt, not tried the routing yet, but am looking to try all the main available options, RideWithGPS, Komoots, and the "look up place in companion app and get directions to there" feature...
Been trying out the routing on the Bolt a little today, though only routes from Komoots and the "look up place in companion app and get directions to there" feature. Both seem to do pretty well, in terms of finding a reasonably sensible route, though I only got Turn by Turn directions and audible warnings/LED alerts of turns when following the Komoot route, the route from the Elemnt companion app location search feature was just an "snake" shown on the Bolt's map, despite it having a route card I could view on the Bolt, which I thought a little disappointing, though the "snake" was easy enough to follow.
After completing the routes, the ride nicely synced back to the Elemnt app and to Strava and RideWithGPS.
I'll try creating a route in RideWithGPS next and will see how following that on the Bolt works.
-
Has anyone used this in heavy rain yet?
Wondering how it performs in real world conditions
-
I'm still on the fence with the Bolt - what it's capable of, it does very well and with no obvious bugs (assuming the lack of TBT directions for the "look up place in companion app and get directions to there" feature is not a bug), and the phone integration and syncing is fantastic (I have a Google Pixel running Android 7.1), with clear turn by turn directions from Komoots (and you can even create routes on your phone with that and send them to the Bolt whilst out on ride, this can even be done without a network connection, if you pay for offline maps), and presumably from RideWithGPS too (I've still to try this) too, and once you've sent the route to the Bolt, you can turn off the phone (or at least Bluetooth), if desired. The display of the data fields is very clear and the "Perfect Zoom" feature, which lets you easily change how much data is shown on the screen, works very welll.
The main thing that still bugs me a little is that the maps are *very* basic (and small, not surprising considering the unit's size), with no street names displayed, even at max zoom (which only goes as close as 200ft, would be nicer to be able to go closer for tricky turns) and once you zoom out further than 1000 ft are pretty useless in terms of seeing anything helpful, which combined with the lack of being able to pan around the maps really does make the maps *only* really suitable for following existing routes (preferably with Turn by Turn directions - though at least such routes are easy to get onto the device), rather than getting a general sense of orientation and checking what's around you. The lack of colour on the maps also makes differentiating types of roads and tracks difficult.
This is a bit of an issue for me, as the main thing I want a GPS unit on my bike for is navigation - I'm not a competitive cyclist, and don't really need any "training" features (though some basic stats are nice, as is the ease of uploading my rides to Strava and RideWithGPS), but I *do* want to be able to navigate when cycle touring, both for single day 50 mile+ outings, as well as much longer extend touring trips in the UK and abroad. The TBT route display is good, but I think the Bolt is only going to be up to the job if I also regularly check the map on my phone to get a better sense of orientation.
On the other hand, all the current Garmin Edge units with navigation capabilities seem to have major problems (though I have considered getting a secondhand Edge 810), so the alternatives don't seem that great...
-
Thanks for that, Oxford. Very useful info.
I was ready to pull the trigger on a Bolt because a couple of months ago my 810 was driving me mad...freezing, crashing etc. However recently it has been behaving, and I have to say the navigation side of things is excellent.
I'm not sure what I want from a GPS these days. I'm audaxing less on unknown roads but I'm more in need of reliable connectivity for uploading rides automatically to Strava.
-
Thanks for that, Oxford. Very useful info.
I was ready to pull the trigger on a Bolt because a couple of months ago my 810 was driving me mad...freezing, crashing etc. However recently it has been behaving, and I have to say the navigation side of things is excellent.
I'm not sure what I want from a GPS these days. I'm audaxing less on unknown roads but I'm more in need of reliable connectivity for uploading rides automatically to Strava.
Well the Elemnt Bolt is fantastic for Strava connectivity, just syncs (via your phone) without having to do anything, can also set it up to sync rides with RideWithGPS and various other online services (I currently have it syncing to BOTH Strava and RideWithGPS
I don't have a paid Strava account, though, so have not tested how it performs with Segments yet (though I guess I could trial a Strava Premium account for free...)
BTW what firmware are you running your Garmin 810 on? I've read that version 5.0 seems pretty solid, but 5.10 was unstable, but they've also recently released firmware 6.10, which has had mixed reports...
Still half thinking of getting an 810 or maybe even Etrex 25 or 35, but those are quite different beasts... The 820 still sounds too flakey.
-
I'm using the latest firmware. In theory it should automatically upload to Strava but it frequently drops the Bluetooth connection (don't know if that is a phone issue or a garmin issue.)
I quite like the idea of being to load up routes without a cable. You can do that on an 810, but only if you plot routes on Garmin connect. ..and Garmin connect is shit for plotting routes.
I have a distinct impression that what shags up the 810 is asking it to do the things it is supposed to do...like strava live segments.
-
I'm using the latest firmware. In theory it should automatically upload to Strava but it frequently drops the Bluetooth connection (don't know if that is a phone issue or a garmin issue.)
I quite like the idea of being to load up routes without a cable. You can so that on an 810, but only if you plot routes on Garmin connect. ..and Garmin connect is shit for plotting routes.
I have a distinct impression that what stags up the 810 is asking it to do the things it is supposed to do...like strava live segments.
All the synching on the Bolt has worked flawlessly so far...
-
I’m enjoying mine - everything has worked fine so far - it’s nice to have something compact on the bars for a change. The buttons are great - positive and light even with gloves - the side ones a million times better than the original. Sound is very loud - ideal for the hard of hearing! The only disappointment is that the led’s are not that visible in sunlight. Bluetooth is fine, rides upload via wifi to Strava as soon as I get home fine without me doing anything. Sync’d with my RidewithGPS account and downloaded all my routes in a few seconds. Locking onto the GPS signal is taking about a minute, so slower than my Garmin, but ok and it seems to be getting quicker (I understand it pre-loads positioning to speed up this process). I’ve not tried turn by turn as yet.
Ref the mapping - I have a Garmin E1000 and yes, its nice to have everything in colour, but now I’ve concluded it’s a mindset - a simple mono screen with big arrows and warning sounds is really all you need to get around, certainly outside of cities and if you're not going off-road. I find the 200ft scale more than adequate. As a back-up I have a phone in my bag with all manner of maps on it, inc Viewranger OS, so I'll pull that out if I’m really stuck.
-
The main thing that still bugs me a little is that the maps are *very* basic (and small, not surprising considering the unit's size), with no street names displayed, even at max zoom (which only goes as close as 200ft, would be nicer to be able to go closer for tricky turns) and once you zoom out further than 1000 ft are pretty useless in terms of seeing anything helpful, which combined with the lack of being able to pan around the maps really does make the maps *only* really suitable for following existing routes (preferably with Turn by Turn directions - though at least such routes are easy to get onto the device), rather than getting a general sense of orientation and checking what's around you. The lack of colour on the maps also makes differentiating types of roads and tracks difficult.
This is a bit of an issue for me, as the main thing I want a GPS unit on my bike for is navigation - I'm not a competitive cyclist, and don't really need any "training" features (though some basic stats are nice, as is the ease of uploading my rides to Strava and RideWithGPS), but I *do* want to be able to navigate when cycle touring, both for single day 50 mile+ outings, as well as much longer extend touring trips in the UK and abroad. The TBT route display is good, but I think the Bolt is only going to be up to the job if I also regularly check the map on my phone to get a better sense of orientation.
I've been using an Elemnt (non-Bolt) for the last few months and at first I thought I was going to find the maps inadequate, but in practice they've been fine for navigation. My biggest annoyance is that if you get too far off course, the Elemnt can stop displaying the route entirely - something has been overly optimised to keep everything running smoothly on low-powered hardware, at the expense of usefulness. One thing that I do is have the "distance to next cue" visible on one of my data pages and then switch to the map page (zoomed in fairly closely) as needed.
I used RideWithGPS for all of my mapping because that's what Audax Oz have standardised on, and it integrates beautifully with the Elemnt.
I’m enjoying mine - everything has worked fine so far - it’s nice to have something compact on the bars for a change. The buttons are great - positive and light even with gloves - the side ones a million times better than the original. Sound is very loud - ideal for the hard of hearing! The only disappointment is that the led’s are not that visible in sunlight.
Interestingly, that's the opposite of my experience with the original Elemnt: sound is not loud enough but the LEDs are plenty bright, even in direct Australian summer sunlight.
-
The main thing that still bugs me a little is that the maps are *very* basic (and small, not surprising considering the unit's size), with no street names displayed, even at max zoom (which only goes as close as 200ft, would be nicer to be able to go closer for tricky turns) and once you zoom out further than 1000 ft are pretty useless in terms of seeing anything helpful, which combined with the lack of being able to pan around the maps really does make the maps *only* really suitable for following existing routes (preferably with Turn by Turn directions - though at least such routes are easy to get onto the device), rather than getting a general sense of orientation and checking what's around you. The lack of colour on the maps also makes differentiating types of roads and tracks difficult.
This is a bit of an issue for me, as the main thing I want a GPS unit on my bike for is navigation - I'm not a competitive cyclist, and don't really need any "training" features (though some basic stats are nice, as is the ease of uploading my rides to Strava and RideWithGPS), but I *do* want to be able to navigate when cycle touring, both for single day 50 mile+ outings, as well as much longer extend touring trips in the UK and abroad. The TBT route display is good, but I think the Bolt is only going to be up to the job if I also regularly check the map on my phone to get a better sense of orientation.
I've been using an Elemnt (non-Bolt) for the last few months and at first I thought I was going to find the maps inadequate, but in practice they've been fine for navigation. My biggest annoyance is that if you get too far off course, the Elemnt can stop displaying the route entirely - something has been overly optimised to keep everything running smoothly on low-powered hardware, at the expense of usefulness. One thing that I do is have the "distance to next cue" visible on one of my data pages and then switch to the map page (zoomed in fairly closely) as needed.
I used RideWithGPS for all of my mapping because that's what Audax Oz have standardised on, and it integrates beautifully with the Elemnt.
I just tried out my Bolt with RideWithGPS today (also the first time I've used RideWithGPS!), the integration does indeed work very well. Ride with GPS seems to generate pretty sensible automatic routes (more so than Komoots or the Companion app) and the Turn By Turn directions are clear and helpful. One issue I did experience, which I didn't notice so much with the TBT directions I got from Komoot is that the distance to turn notifications seem a bit behind of my location, by this I mean I was actually at the point where I needed to turn when the TBT directions from RWGPS seemed to think I was still 40 to 50 feet away, so twice I actually missed the turn, though of course the Elemnt beeped at me and flashed red, so I knew that this had happened and could turn back. is there a way to tweak the RWGPS settings somehow to make the distance to turn notification more accurate? I was in open ground in Oxford, so assume the GPS signal was fine.
When I rejoined the route, the Bolt flashed green LEDs at me to confirm I was back on it, then all was good again
I wish you could create a RWGPS route in the smartphone app (or at least in a more mobile-optimised website), like Komoot, so that I could generate a route using it whilst on a tour.
I’m enjoying mine - everything has worked fine so far - it’s nice to have something compact on the bars for a change. The buttons are great - positive and light even with gloves - the side ones a million times better than the original. Sound is very loud - ideal for the hard of hearing! The only disappointment is that the led’s are not that visible in sunlight.
Interestingly, that's the opposite of my experience with the original Elemnt: sound is not loud enough but the LEDs are plenty bright, even in direct Australian summer sunlight.
I read that they made the beep much louder on the Bolt, I think the volume is just about right. The LEDs are okay, though sometimes a bit hard to see when very bright.
I actually wish the screen was a little bigger on the Bolt, perfect for me would probably be something with a screen in between that of the Bolt and original Elemnt (2.4"?), but with the form factor, new buttons and loud beep of the Bolt...
I also wish there was an option (which you could turn on or off) for the Elemnt to automatically switch to map mode (and back afterwards) when approaching a turn - I'd like this for some routes, but not others.
-
One issue I did experience, which I didn't notice so much with the TBT directions I got from Komoot is that the distance to turn notifications seem a bit behind of my location, by this I mean I was actually at the point where I needed to turn when the TBT directions from RWGPS seemed to think I was still 40 to 50 feet away, so twice I actually missed the turn, though of course the Elemnt beeped at me and flashed red, so I knew that this had happened and could turn back. is there a way to tweak the RWGPS settings somehow to make the distance to turn notification more accurate? I was in open ground in Oxford, so assume the GPS signal was fine.
I had a similar experience the other day, which I wrote off as a once-off, possibly from a dodgy route (since the route I was riding was one I was sent from a friend). I've never had this problem previously, and haven't used the TBT routing since. Perhaps this is a new "feature" introduced with the latest software update?
I also wish there was an option (which you could turn on or off) for the Elemnt to automatically switch to map mode (and back afterwards) when approaching a turn - I'd like this for some routes, but not others.
Yeah, I've wished for this too. Garmins can do it...
-
There is a very active discussion group at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/wahoo-elemnt-users
Feature requests can be logged. Wahoo themselves monitor and occasionally respond.
-
It’s been interesting to read about all these new devices that have come along since I last looked at this (I’m still on an Etrex HCx). At first I wasn’t too sure about this tend towards “device with minimal maps + phone” set-ups but I am coming round to the idea.
One thing I’d like to be able to do is to create and ride a new route while already out on a ride. I am aware that some of the Lezynes can do this - create a route using Google maps or OSM based app, send it to the device, and ride it complete with TBT directions. Is the Bolt able to do this?
Aside from that issue, another important thing is to be able to reroute if I was to go off route. Even the HCx can make a fair stab at this. Can I do this with a Bolt or would I need to create a new route to, let’s say, a previous waypoint? (And that, of course, would bring me back to my question above).
-
It’s been interesting to read about all these new devices that have come along since I last looked at this (I’m still on an Etrex HCx). At first I wasn’t too sure about this tend towards “device with minimal maps + phone” set-ups but I am coming round to the idea.
One thing I’d like to be able to do is to create and ride a new route while already out on a ride. I am aware that some of the Lezynes can do this - create a route using Google maps or OSM based app, send it to the device, and ride it complete with TBT directions. Is the Bolt able to do this?
Yes, you can either do this with the Elemnt companion app (though the routes that provides don't seem to give turn by turn directions), or you can create a route in the Komoot app (which does give Turn by Turn directions): https://www.komoot.com/
So you can use the Bolt Sat Nav style, if you want
You can even do the routing in Komoot without a 3G signal, if you have downloaded the offline maps, though these are not free.
It's a pity you can't create routes in the RideWithGPS app, as I think the automatic routing is better in the RideWithGPS than Komoot, from my (relatively limited experience) - you can send RWGPS routes to the Bolt whilst on the go, but you can't create them - they have to be routes you've created previously on their web application (which is not mobile optimised)
Aside from that issue, another important thing is to be able to reroute if I was to go off route. Even the HCx can make a fair stab at this. Can I do this with a Bolt or would I need to create a new route to, let’s say, a previous waypoint? (And that, of course, would bring me back to my question above).
The Bolt itself has no re-routing, but it will alert you if you go off route and confirm if you manage to rejoin the route. You can always create a new route in the companion app or Komoot, though
-
Thanks very much for that, Oxford_Guy. Having gone through the rest of your posts, I remain tempted to ditch Garmin next time around, for the same reasons as you have mentioned earlier. Do please continue to share any new findings.
When you create a route using RWGPS or Komoot on your home computer, how are you getting that to your device? Do you just bung it in Dropbox or similar and get it from there on your device, or do you Bluetooth it?
-
They've been flying out of the shops...
-
I created a route in BestBikeSplit and sign the device in using my phone. Then the route appears as if by magic.
-
When you create a route using RWGPS or Komoot on your home computer, how are you getting that to your device? Do you just bung it in Dropbox or similar and get it from there on your device, or do you Bluetooth it?
When you create a route on the RWGPS web site, the RWGPS app on your phone will sync with it and it will apear like magic! You can then, optionally, download the relevant maps for the route to your phone (either at home via WiFi) or out and about using 3/4G. Of course would recommend the former.
-
One issue I did experience, which I didn't notice so much with the TBT directions I got from Komoot is that the distance to turn notifications seem a bit behind of my location, by this I mean I was actually at the point where I needed to turn when the TBT directions from RWGPS seemed to think I was still 40 to 50 feet away, so twice I actually missed the turn, though of course the Elemnt beeped at me and flashed red, so I knew that this had happened and could turn back. is there a way to tweak the RWGPS settings somehow to make the distance to turn notification more accurate? I was in open ground in Oxford, so assume the GPS signal was fine.
I had a similar experience the other day, which I wrote off as a once-off, possibly from a dodgy route (since the route I was riding was one I was sent from a friend). I've never had this problem previously, and haven't used the TBT routing since. Perhaps this is a new "feature" introduced with the latest software update?
In the RWGPS app you can alter the Alert Distance from 'Normal' to 'Early' in Settings. There's also 'Advance cue warning' which will give you the next cue just after executing the current one (I turned this off as I found it too distracting/confusing). Should point out this is all just using the RWGPS app on my phone, I don't know how/if this translates into what the Bolt does.
-
When you create a route using RWGPS or Komoot on your home computer, how are you getting that to your device? Do you just bung it in Dropbox or similar and get it from there on your device, or do you Bluetooth it?
When you create a route on the RWGPS web site, the RWGPS app on your phone will sync with it and it will apear like magic! You can then, optionally, download the relevant maps for the route to your phone (either at home via WiFi) or out and about using 3/4G. Of course would recommend the former.
The maps are already on the Bolt, when you sync a route to it from the companion app when away from home, it just sends it via Bluetooth, 3G not needed AFAIK
-
I had a similar experience the other day, which I wrote off as a once-off, possibly from a dodgy route (since the route I was riding was one I was sent from a friend). I've never had this problem previously, and haven't used the TBT routing since. Perhaps this is a new "feature" introduced with the latest software update?
In the RWGPS app you can alter the Alert Distance from 'Normal' to 'Early' in Settings. There's also 'Advance cue warning' which will give you the next cue just after executing the current one (I turned this off as I found it too distracting/confusing). Should point out this is all just using the RWGPS app on my phone, I don't know how/if this translates into what the Bolt does.
Hi igauk, I think you might be confusing navigation with the RideWithGPS app on a phone vs navigation using the Wahoo Elemnt/BOLT, a standalone GPS unit. The RWGPS app settings don't apply here and you don't even need to have the app installed to sync RWGPS routes to the Wahoo unit. The Wahoo Elemnt will download the routes itself, either via wifi (at home) or using Bluetooth to your phone (out on the road). Maps from OpenStreetMap are preinstalled on the unit.
The Elemnt bleeps and displays a "metres to next cue" field at the bottom of the screen, starting from ~ 250m before the turn. The problem that Oxford_Guy and I have noticed is that this field is slightly off, maybe by 20 metres, so it's easy to overshoot the turn if you're in an area dense with intersections. (The map screen displays everything correctly, fortunately.) I only started noticing this problem very recently and I hope it's fixed soon ... might even happen without a firmware update, because I think a lot of the "magic" for RWGPS route syncing actually takes place on Wahoo's servers.
-
First impressions are very good. Running the backlight on at night also seems to not drain the battery too badly. I rode with external power for a while and had no issues there.
-
Hello,
I have talked to a few riders about this on Audax rides and they recommend it. So I have order a ELEMNT (not bolt ) with bigger screen. I normally charge my Garmin using the firing when in controls
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BDBXFVG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Can anybody recommend a similar device with a micro USB for the ELEMNT?
Joolz
-
I had a similar experience the other day, which I wrote off as a once-off, possibly from a dodgy route (since the route I was riding was one I was sent from a friend). I've never had this problem previously, and haven't used the TBT routing since. Perhaps this is a new "feature" introduced with the latest software update?
In the RWGPS app you can alter the Alert Distance from 'Normal' to 'Early' in Settings. There's also 'Advance cue warning' which will give you the next cue just after executing the current one (I turned this off as I found it too distracting/confusing). Should point out this is all just using the RWGPS app on my phone, I don't know how/if this translates into what the Bolt does.
Hi igauk, I think you might be confusing navigation with the RideWithGPS app on a phone vs navigation using the Wahoo Elemnt/BOLT, a standalone GPS unit. The RWGPS app settings don't apply here and you don't even need to have the app installed to sync RWGPS routes to the Wahoo unit. The Wahoo Elemnt will download the routes itself, either via wifi (at home) or using Bluetooth to your phone (out on the road). Maps from OpenStreetMap are preinstalled on the unit.
The Elemnt bleeps and displays a "metres to next cue" field at the bottom of the screen, starting from ~ 250m before the turn. The problem that Oxford_Guy and I have noticed is that this field is slightly off, maybe by 20 metres, so it's easy to overshoot the turn if you're in an area dense with intersections. (The map screen displays everything correctly, fortunately.) I only started noticing this problem very recently and I hope it's fixed soon ... might even happen without a firmware update, because I think a lot of the "magic" for RWGPS route syncing actually takes place on Wahoo's servers.
Ah, I knew maps were on the Bolt, but didn't know how much of the navigation was being done by what.
-
Hello,
I have talked to a few riders about this on Audax rides and they recommend it. So I have order a ELEMNT (not bolt ) with bigger screen. I normally charge my Garmin using the firing when in controls
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BDBXFVG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Can anybody recommend a similar device with a micro USB for the ELEMNT?
Joolz
I used one of these (or similar model): https://www.amazon.co.uk/TeckNet-PowerZen-16750mAh-Portable-Technology/dp/B00FAU7ZB2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491903639&sr=1-1&keywords=tecknet+power+pack
Just get the appropriate USB cable. I was able to charge while riding on Yr Elenydd on Saturday using a down micro USB right angle connector (down as opposed to left or right).
I'm going to experiment with using the Igaro D1 with the Elemnt BOLT when I have a chance.
-
Hello,
I have talked to a few riders about this on Audax rides and they recommend it. So I have order a ELEMNT (not bolt ) with bigger screen. I normally charge my Garmin using the firing when in controls
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BDBXFVG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Can anybody recommend a similar device with a micro USB for the ELEMNT?
Joolz
I used one of these (or similar model): https://www.amazon.co.uk/TeckNet-PowerZen-16750mAh-Portable-Technology/dp/B00FAU7ZB2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491903639&sr=1-1&keywords=tecknet+power+pack
Just get the appropriate USB cable. I was able to charge while riding on Yr Elenydd on Saturday using a down micro USB right angle connector (down as opposed to left or right).
I'm going to experiment with using the Igaro D1 with the Elemnt BOLT when I have a chance.
I've been considering getting an Igaro D1 too, to use with my collection of SON dynamos - would be interested to know how you get on with it and whether it plays nicely with the Bolt without needing another buffer battery
-
Simon, thank you.
-
The ELEMNT has arrived and it look fancy. I will let you hope I get on :-)
-
As a Garmin user I am watching enviously the ability to just Route to somewhere you want or use a route from RWGPS without having to use the miserable non mobile friendly Garmin routing... I did stumble across this which I haven't tried yet but would appear to sort of provide similar functionality for Garmin devices (through a long winded ConnectIQ app etc... of course :facepalm: )
http://dynamic.watch/plan
-
Selling out. In stock at Wiggle this morning. Out of stock by the afternoon
-
Selling out. In stock at Wiggle this morning. Out of stock by the afternoon
It was in stock for about 30 seconds. I got the email alert & by the time I'd clicked through to the page it was OOS already. Probably one or two returns.
I want one!
-
Well, it would have cost me £175, rather than the £199 rrp, but my Garmin is playing nicely so I'll hold off.
-
Selling out. In stock at Wiggle this morning. Out of stock by the afternoon
It was in stock for about 30 seconds. I got the email alert & by the time I'd clicked through to the page it was OOS already. Probably one or two returns.
I want one!
I would hope they weren't returns - that wouldn't be legal … I got mine from Sigma Sport, but they're also out of stock now until the end of the month.
-
I when for the original ELEMNT which has a large display and I think this a better option of navigation because it's easier to see. Well with my aging eyesight 👀.
-
You can even do the routing in Komoot without a 3G signal, if you have downloaded the offline maps, though these are not free.
How have you managed to do this? I have just paid for offline worldwide maps thinking I would be able to do offline route planning but if I try and generate a route with my wifi and 3g turned off, in an area that I've downloaded for offline use, it just says "You need an internet connection to plan a Tour" in a blue bar at the top of the maps. Not much use to me!
-
Does anyone know the battery capacity (mAh)? of the BOLT? I'm trying to estimate what size battery pack I'll need to recharge it multiple times during LEL.
-
You can even do the routing in Komoot without a 3G signal, if you have downloaded the offline maps, though these are not free.
How have you managed to do this? I have just paid for offline worldwide maps thinking I would be able to do offline route planning but if I try and generate a route with my wifi and 3g turned off, in an area that I've downloaded for offline use, it just says "You need an internet connection to plan a Tour" in a blue bar at the top of the maps. Not much use to me!
I've not actually tried with 3G completely turned off, I just assumed it would work - but I can see why it might not, as route calculations are probably performed on their servers for automatic routing, though I don't see why it would need to connect to their servers for manual route planning. Have you tried sending them a support question?
-
You can even do the routing in Komoot without a 3G signal, if you have downloaded the offline maps, though these are not free.
How have you managed to do this? I have just paid for offline worldwide maps thinking I would be able to do offline route planning but if I try and generate a route with my wifi and 3g turned off, in an area that I've downloaded for offline use, it just says "You need an internet connection to plan a Tour" in a blue bar at the top of the maps. Not much use to me!
I've not actually tried with 3G completely turned off, I just assumed it would work - but I can see why it might not, as route calculations are probably performed on their servers for automatic routing, though I don't see why it would need to connect to their servers for manual route planning. Have you tried sending them a support question?
I paid for the premium feature on the basis that I could do it, because of your unambiguous statement that was actually based upon an assumption. Komoot does not support offline routing.
-
Anyone else tried rides longer than around 330km? Mine got upset.
-
Did a 400 & 600 with mine. 1 bobble on the 2nd day of the 600. Thankfully, you can switch them off, turn them back on again and they attempt to recover the ride you're on.
Know a chap who did the Mille Pennine with one and never switched it off - no problems.
-
I got it going again but the ride was split in two. It lost the ability to navigate and speed was all over the place.
-
Simon - can you charge the bolt while moving using the fancy out front mount? Or do you have to use a different mount?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Simon - can you charge the bolt while moving using the fancy out front mount? Or do you have to use a different mount?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I managed to do this but the mount has to be offset from the stem (I had it on the right) and use a right angled micro USB connector which has to be inserted before rotating the device onto the bracket. There isn't a lot of room even then.
I found that the ambient temperature reading was way too high whilst charging.
Once it got full the battery I was using turned off and it would then discharge for a while until I turned the battery output back on again.
-
Thanks, maybe a more standard out front mount would provide more space? I'm just weighing up options as I'm sick of my garmin 810. Would you recommend a bolt? Or is the original elemnt better?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Thanks, maybe a more standard out front mount would provide more space? I'm just weighing up options as I'm sick of my garmin 810. Would you recommend a bolt? Or is the original elemnt better?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I haven't used the original Elemnt. I had only the one issue on my 400k ECE as mentioned above. This was the first time I'd used it to navigate. Generally turn by turn navigation worked really well and it warned me quickly when I was off-route.
The original device might work a little better for charging given the different location of the charge port. The screen is a bit bigger which could be an advantage depending on eyesight. Despite the black and white screen, I found it fine for following a route, due to the way that the route is rendered, and it used the LEDs to good effect to indicate turns. I had the Garmin Etrex 30 along as a backup. However, I didn't need it. Using the phone to configure is a lot easier than trying to navigate the menus on a Garmin. Routes automatically syncing to the device from RideWithGPS is another useful feature.
-
Just got a bolt myself and it was so easy to set it all up via my iphone and a lot quicker too. picked up 3 sensors really quickly too and just uploading your ride automatically at the end is lovely. It going to be really useful to upload club rides on the fly so no need to fret about loading up the wrong route any more.
Will be testing it out for real on Upper Thames Audax. I'll be charging it in a cafe stop half way through. Anyone had any experience of this? would it be ok to switch it off, and turn it back on after finishing my Full English breakfast of championsTM?
-
I'll be charging it in a cafe stop half way through.
Shouldn't really need to charge half way through a 200 (unless you are riding to/from the start and you live a long way away). I have regularly got 16+ hours with all functions on including backlight.
-
I'll be charging it in a cafe stop half way through.
Shouldn't really need to charge half way through a 200 (unless you are riding to/from the start and you live a long way away). I have regularly got 16+ hours with all functions on including backlight.
Ooo nice!! I’ll leave it running then :) (still will bring power pack and lead though)
-
So Upper Thames was a fantastic route to thoroughly test this wonderful bolt out!
1) Survived standing water splashes – let me give you an idea of how bad the standing water was – my OWN car was aquaplaning through them to the start! So that’s a great start
2) Survived a head on collision with a car – not even a scratch.
3) A simple switch off and on again allowed me to recover the ride perfectly 3 times. I did have to re-load the route but that’s fine
4) I still had 40% after 11.5 hours of use with 1 and half hour use of backlight for the last bit of riding.
5) Back light and the sharp b&w screen makes looking at it a doddle in the dark. I hate HATED the garmin 810 methods for night time riding. So much better
6) I have 6 sensors saved on the bolt so no matter which bike I use, I don’t have to re-pair it with the sensors on the bike I choose to ride on the day. I couldn’t do this for the garmin 810.
It just fucking works! Love it. Best £175 spent ever!
-
How does the altimeter perform in this? Does it give sensible climbing figures for your stated definition of sensible?
-
How does the altimeter perform in this? Does it give sensible climbing figures for your stated definition of sensible?
I don’t know much about the altimeter right now. I haven’t really climbed that much. I do know that my Upper Thames audax 200km ride registered a total of 6,007ft climbed and this seem to be wildly out of sync with two people I rode with for short time on the same ride, One did 2,500ft and another did 3,500ft. So that is a very wtf. However other people that were on the route seems to be closer to my total than theirs.
-
The Upper Thames was the last time HK's Etrex 35 functioned at all. The Etrex 35 is less than a week outside the one year guarantee and HK is going into battle with Garmin for a replacement but I have lost interest in the whole affair. After five Garmins of various types, the majority of which have been unreliable or failed (other than the HCx), it looks like we'll be getting at least one Wahoo Elemnt (not Bolt).
-
I don’t know much about the altimeter right now. I haven’t really climbed that much. I do know that my Upper Thames audax 200km ride registered a total of 6,007ft climbed and this seem to be wildly out of sync with two people I rode with for short time on the same ride, One did 2,500ft and another did 3,500ft. So that is a very wtf. However other people that were on the route seems to be closer to my total than theirs.
I have 6029ft for Saturday so I'd say yours is about right and your friends' are wildly out.
Another useful feature of the Bolt is the "hills" page, which shows you where you are on the elevation profile of a pre-installed route. Handy to know how much further of the ***ing hill there is to come.
-
That looks like a feet/metres mismatch to me.
-
What did you do about night riding?
I rode an audax last week using an org supplied go that had no TBT. Therefore the backlight did not come on at turns. In the end I just set the backlight to be on permanently. I only gas about 90 minutes of riding left of the 200k and 52% charge so I wasn't overly concerned about the power running out
-
I leave the backlight on permanently and still get 16 hrs +. I'll probably only turn it off in daylight when doing 300k or over. I think it's a newer technology than Garmin and uses a lot less battery power - more akin to a Kindle.
-
On the Wahoo site (https://eu.wahoofitness.com/devices/bike-computers/elemnt-bike-computers/gps-elemnt-bolt) it talks about “Take Me Anywhere Route Generation”, saying this:
“Using the ELEMNT Companion App, enter a destination, address, or point of interest and to generate a route optimized for cycling, complete with turn-by-turn navigation cues on demand, and send the route to the ELEMNT via Bluetooth.”
Does that work in practice? How easy is it to, say, look up the nearest branch of your bank (whether in Google Maps or in the Wahoo software directly), and then program the computer to head to that address?
-
What did you do about night riding?
I rode an audax last week using an org supplied go that had no TBT. Therefore the backlight did not come on at turns. In the end I just set the backlight to be on permanently. I only gas about 90 minutes of riding left of the 200k and 52% charge so I wasn't overly concerned about the power running out
Turned on backlight to on perm. Really easy to do on the move too!
-
It is simple enough to import a gpx file into ride with gps and then generate an output file with TBT .
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
It is simple enough to import a gpx file into ride with gps and then generate an output file with TBT .
Can you explain how? All imported routes I've tried output without TBT (but it's easy enough to follow the breadcrumb). Only a route generated within RideWithGPS itself appears to have TBT.
-
How do I tell the app to stop notifying me to charge my wahoo elemnt up? I am a well-seasoned audaxer, I fully know when it needs charging or not. Annoyingly there doesn’t seem to be an option to stop this specific one. It’s either I stop ALL notifications or receive them all.
-
Import the gpx file, add control points before and after each turn and snap the route back onto the road by dragging it. I found this on the RWGPS site under “generate tbt directions for an uploaded ride”.
Martyn
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
On the Wahoo site (https://eu.wahoofitness.com/devices/bike-computers/elemnt-bike-computers/gps-elemnt-bolt) it talks about “Take Me Anywhere Route Generation”, saying this:
“Using the ELEMNT Companion App, enter a destination, address, or point of interest and to generate a route optimized for cycling, complete with turn-by-turn navigation cues on demand, and send the route to the ELEMNT via Bluetooth.”
Does that work in practice? How easy is it to, say, look up the nearest branch of your bank (whether in Google Maps or in the Wahoo software directly), and then program the computer to head to that address?
For values of work. I don't know what it uses for routing data, but it's not as good as if you try to generate a route via strava and upload it. It also seems to not have any live info regarding road closures, even tho google maps does know that certain roads are closed for construction. This lead me through a rather creative tour of a construction site yesterday.
J
-
So has anybody successfully charged a Bolt on the go?
-
Yes. Did so on an ECE to 400k last year.
-
Saw that...but you had problems didn't you?
-
Saw that...but you had problems didn't you?
IIRC, the charging wasn't the biggest issue. I was using an external battery and I'd top off the Bolt from the battery, which would then power down when the Bolt was full. So you have to restart the charging once the level was down a bit. A minor faff.
I had the Bolt crash on the way back, as I headed through Gloucester and it messed up my track log a bit. I had to faff around for a bit to get it working again, stopping recording and power cycling, this wasn't helped by my not spotting a routing issue which would have had me heading down the A38 where it's 70mph dual carriageway (the route being pre-calculated). The crash was one of those ones where it was giving crazy speeds and complaining about being off route when it wasn't. To be fair from Gloucester home is something I could navigate easily without a gps but I was using gpx validation so wanted to have it recording properly. I think I ended up with two tracks which I joined after the event.
Only other thing I can remember is the temperature recorded was inaccurate when charging.
-
On the last few rides I've been having problems with the Bolt losing GPS signal, both when following a pre-loaded route and when just recording a ride. Usually happens after about 3 hours into the ride. If following a route then the first sign is getting the warning beeps and flashing LED's indicating you've gone off course even when you know you haven't. Then the map page starts not refreshing correctly and eventually freezes.
No other electronics on the bike that could cause interference and happens on completely open ground with no signal-blocking features. The resulting track files clearly show where the device starts losing signal and the straight-line freezes.
For the first 10 months it was faultless - this is a recent occurrence. I've opened a ticket with Wahoo so will wait to see what happens. Luckily still a few weeks within warranty!
-
This is a long standing issue that has affected a lot of units if the forum is anything to go by. It's affected my long rides, and I also get ridiculous speeds of 400mph showing! I logged it with Wahoo and they asked for access to files and I then heard nothing more. Wahoo claimed to have fixed it in the last firmware update, but feedback is showing they've fudged it by deprecating the gps accuracy hugely, and the issue still remains. That said I did a 5 hour ride at the weekend with no issues. I have to say their ability to fix long standing bugs, even minor ones, is turning out to be no better than Gamin's. My unit is still afflicted with the mixed units randomly resetting from miles to kilometres, even when riding, which again has been going on forever and drives me nuts.
-
Ah, so it's not just me then. The fact it has only started happening recently makes me wonder if it's the result of a recent firmware update, or perhaps physical fatigue of some sort? As I say it performed faultlessly for 10 months.
-
I would log a fault with Wahoo - the more people log this fault, the better.
-
I would log a fault with Wahoo - the more people log this fault, the better.
Yep - have done and sent them the relevant tracks.
-
I can't guarantee that this is the solution for the losing GPS problem, however on a 200k when this started to happen as soon as I plugged in an external battery pack the problem stopped. Since then on any rides longer than 100k I use an external pack and the problem has not re-occurred.
-
Interesting. I really don't want to have to start fiddling about with battery packs though. My main reason for choosing the Bolt was its battery life. Battery level was still showing as 62% at the end of the ride so shouldn't have been an issue.
I'll wait and hear back from Wahoo & decide what to do.
-
Ah I had this problem on my oasts and coasts ride. The fly by in strava clearly shows when my Wahoo dropped the GPS signal. I’ll log it then.
-
Received this from Stephen at Wahoo today. I'm quite reassured that it's personalised and detailed reply, not the common standard fob-off. Others here may wish to send in logs.
Thanks for getting in touch and sorry to hear you have recently had issues with your BOLT.
There are several elements that could be causing the different issues you have found. The first issue, starting around the 58.2 mile mark, could well be to GPS drift. This is a normal occurrence and sometimes can be more pronounced than others causing your BOLT to think you are off route. I had the same issue myself this weekend but it isn't something I see regularly. My arrow was tracking parallel to the course and road and flashed to let me know I was off route. This sorted itself out relatively quickly and got me straight back on course. GPS drift is attributed to the information being sent to devices from the satellites.
As for the drop outs you are seeing, this is an issue we have encountered with the latest firmware the BOLT/ELEMNT computers are on. I have raised a ticket with our developers who are actively working on a fix. Though we do not currently have an exact delivery date, the problem is a priority on our road map for future app and firmware revisions.
The straight line you see in your file will be down to full GPS drop out and the BOLT unit not receiving any information from satellites. In your case, with your route being completely overground with no obstructions, is something that the developers will be looking in to.
Since we have an open ticket with our development team, all customer service tickets related to the issue (including this one) will be marked as “On-Hold” and merged with the developer ticket to be monitored internally. This process allows us to send automatic notifications when changes are complete. Full release notes are posted on https://support.wahoofitness.com. Be sure to keep your app and device up-to-date to receive the fix, when available.
I have sent the developers the two files you sent me so that they have the full details from the GPS files.
I apologise for any inconvenience and appreciate your patience and support as we strive to serve you better and get this issue solved.
Please let me know if you have any additional questions or concerns in the meantime.
Again, thank you for your patience and hopefully this will be solved relatively quickly. If you happen to do anymore rides going forward and the same thing happens, please send me the logs from these and also the file of the ride either downloaded from your device or the companion app. Below are instructions on how to provide the logs if you ever recreate the GPS issue
-Make sure your firmware is up to date
-Recreate the issue
-Note the exact date and time the issue occurs
-Navigate to the main menu page of your computer and select "Send Logs"
In order to send these logs over, please make sure that your computer is within Wifi range. Please let me know when you have completed this. Be sure to include the time in date the issue occurred in your response.
-
"GPS drift" ::-)
-
"GPS drift" ::-)
It’s a real thing and probably explains the dropped part of the ride which is also said to be something Wahoo is working on.
-
I think it’s the device that does the drifting, not the satellites. My Garmin Edge 520 often does this after a few hours, showing me riding parallel to the road but (for example) 50 metres off to one side. The last time it did this I pulled out my phone that receives information from the same satellites. It showed me on the road.
-
Do your Garmin and your phone use the same mapping system?
I think one might be vector, and the other raster
-
That's a comprehensive reply from Wahoo - nothing like the standard brush off I got. I'm puzzled by Navigate to the main menu page of your computer and select "Send Logs"
Does he mean the Bolt, because I don't see anything like that. I don't understand that process at all.
-
Pretty sure all the maps are vector-based. However, they’re different maps and might have slightly different road positions. All the same, if I restart the Garmin it puts me back on the road.
My eTrex 20 doesn’t suffer from this drift and is a superior navigation device to any Edge for many other reasons. However, it’s bulky and the mounts are crude and ugly (relying on cable ties!). But for long rides into unknown territory, I have not come across a better alternative.
-
That's a comprehensive reply from Wahoo - nothing like the standard brush off I got. I'm puzzled by Navigate to the main menu page of your computer and select "Send Logs"
Does he mean the Bolt, because I don't see anything like that. I don't understand that process at all.
Wahoo have to set up Verbose Logging from their end on your unit to enable it to send logs which is why it doesn't show normally on the Elemnt.
-
I think it’s the device that does the drifting, not the satellites.
Just so. Hence the rolled eyes.
I've only seen it twice, in 12 years of GPS usage. Once was on an OSM map. With no other form of reference but OSM, if your GPS track is displaced from but parallel to a wiggly road - who knows which is right? "OSM drift" ::-)
-
I've replied saying that I think the "drift" he's referring to is part of a bigger problem with the Bolt unit itself, and attached another track log which shows the same thing - i.e. the "drift" is the precursor to much bigger GPS discrepancies and eventually a total loss and system lock-up.
-
They suggested a factory reset, which I did. Went out for a ride today - exactly the same problem. Around 3-hour mark get the dreaded "drift" with proximity alerts beeping and flashing constantly (VERY irritating). From then on the tracklog follows a course roughly parallel to my actual route but about 300 metres to one side. Eventually it locked up completely and so the tracklog is truncated.
I've had enough. I need to get something that works & can rely on before long summer rides, so it's gone back to Wiggle (just within warranty) for a replacement.
For the first 10 months it was fantastic & I happily recommended it to countless other people. I really hope they get this sorted.
-
Granted that the longest ride since Oasts and Coasts has been around 100km over 3 hours but since the O&C, I have not experienced any further drop outs of the GPS. Now I wouldn't have a clue if wahoo has updated their software/firmware but I am just putting it down to an anomaly that day.
-
I think it’s the device that does the drifting, not the satellites. My Garmin Edge 520 often does this after a few hours, showing me riding parallel to the road but (for example) 50 metres off to one side. The last time it did this I pulled out my phone that receives information from the same satellites. It showed me on the road.
My understanding is that a GPS device needs to be able to see a certain number of satellites to get an unambiguous absolute position. When the number is below the threshold the device starts to guess based on the satellites it can see, since these can still give it a good idea of *relative* changes in position. If the position was already slightly out then the same error will be repeated as it plots relative position.
I've noticed phones are much less susceptible to this kind of error than pure GPS devices - possibly they have more sophisticated algorithms, possibly they're better at combining other data sources (phone masts, wi-fi, GLONASS etc).
-
::-)
... happens on completely open ground with no signal-blocking features. ...
-
STILL waiting for it to get back to Wiggle. So far it's taken 9 days for the courier service they use (CollectPlus) to get it from the collection point to their warehouse >:( (see rant in crap courier thread).
In the meantime Wahoo said I should have sent it directly back to them & they would have issued me a replacement. Their CS dept have been very helpful and I'm still getting daily enquiries asking what's going on. They seem as pi$$ed of with Wiggle as I am.
-
::-)
... happens on completely open ground with no signal-blocking features. ...
On an upright bike at least there’s usually a big lump of meat blocking a significant proportion of the sky. And you can just be unlucky with how many satellites are in view and which directions they’re in.
(Or of course the wahoo software could just not be very good at finding them)
-
watching the post ride gps tracks on strava, clubmates who use wahoo gps's have their tracks wandering/drifting much more often than those using garmins. not sure if it's hardware or software related.
-
My understanding is that a GPS device needs to be able to see a certain number of satellites to get an unambiguous absolute position. When the number is below the threshold the device starts to guess based on the satellites it can see, since these can still give it a good idea of *relative* changes in position. If the position was already slightly out then the same error will be repeated as it plots relative position.
I think it’s you doing the guessing here, grahamparks! Explain how a precise relative but not absolute position can be calculated without simultaneous signals from four satellites.
GPS works on trilateration (similar to triangulation but with distances rather than angles) with three satellites giving you a location, assuming all clocks involved are accurate and that you’re close to the surface of the earth and/or doing a plausible speed; otherwise you need a minimum of four satellites.
However, since the receiver calculates satellite distances by measuring the travel times of signals at the speed of light, even a tiny error in the clocks causes a large discrepancy of position.
The atomic clocks in the GPS satellites are only accurate to about a millisecond if I recall correctly, but their clock offsets are precisely monitored and new correction data is frequently uploaded to the satellites and thence to your receiver. So the GPS clocks are sufficiently accurate after correction.
The receiver clock offset is another matter. It’s unknown at startup and thereafter subject to the large rate variation of quartz clocks. This is why a fourth satellite is needed: for timing corrections. The mathematics of this correction process is vague to me but involves solving simultaneously four nonlinear equations. This is done in the receiver using Newton–Raphson iteration.
This method cannot be extrapolated to signals from more than four satellites, so all sorts of cleverness is used in those (now typical) cases.
Since we’re guessing, I’d guess the drift described in this thread is a failure of the receiver to keep its clock accurate or to use the latest ephemeris and almanac data from the satellites. Some engineer took the lazy way out, as can trivially be proved by restarting the device and observing that it immediately corrects its fix (but with Garmins, at least, you’ll probably lose your recorded track, cause it to start recording another track, and/or be unable to restart navigation mid-course!).
I've noticed phones are much less susceptible to this kind of error than pure GPS devices - possibly they have more sophisticated algorithms, possibly they're better at combining other data sources (phone masts, wi-fi, GLONASS etc).
Phones are also faster at getting a fix, even when they have cellular data and Wi-Fi switched off so cannot use Assisted GPS to get faster access to the ephemeris and almanac. And my iPhone’s GPS receiver also uses a small fraction of the power of any Garmin I’ve had, although it’s hard to know which subsystem is using the power in a Garmin. Not to mention it locks onto signals in nearly impossible places, like inside a room on the first floor of a five-story building. Garmins don’t do that although my Edge 520 is better than my eTrex 20 with weak signals (on the other hand, it seems to take even longer to get an initial fix, the bigger problem in my use).
I put all of this down to newer, better GPS receivers in most phones and more competent firmware and software.
-
Garmins would take forever to get a fix in London however if I use Bluetooth on phone + ELEMNT App connected to BOLT it’ll lock on in a second!
-
Wahoo have a cash back offer at the moment. If you buy an ELMNT you can get £50 cash back.
-
Wahoo have a cash back offer at the moment. If you buy an ELMNT you can get £50 cash back.
And Wiggle have them discounted to £219 with cash back on top thats a real bargain
-
Wahoo have a cash back offer at the moment. If you buy an ELMNT you can get £50 cash back.
And Wiggle have them discounted to £219 with cash back on top thats a real bargain
It’s showing at £249 for me still at Wiggle. How are you getting the discount?
-
Big Elemnt is £237 for me.
Elemnt Bolt is £189 for me.
-
£219.99 showing for me BUT that's with my Wiggle platinum 12% discount, otherwise it's full whack.
-
I have Gold discount of 5% personally.
-
Wahoo have a cash back offer at the moment. If you buy an ELMNT you can get £50 cash back.
Probably the best deal IF you can wait 60 days for the cash back. I was an early Elemnt adopter and sent it back - subsequently bought a Bolt and have been, by and large, happy with it.
-
Wahoo have a cash back offer at the moment. If you buy an ELMNT you can get £50 cash back.
And Wiggle have them discounted to £219 with cash back on top thats a real bargain
It's not clear from the Wahoo offer page if it applies to sales from anywhere or sales just from them (I suspect the latter).
-
Ni its from any retailer other than ebay or amazon marketplace . I looked at the T&Cs yesterday copied below
"All retailers and stockists in the UK are “Participating Retailer(s)” with the exception of purchases from auction websites (e.g. eBay) or marketplace sales through retail websites (e.g. Amazon Marketplace or Play Trade) are specifically excluded from this Promotion. The Qualifying Product must not be sold as part of another Promotion (save for Promotions offered directly by the Participating Retailers). Purchases made through Wahoo Pro Deals are excluded from this Promotion."
-
Thanks, Wiggle discount would explain it. Haven’t spent enough with them recently to qualify it would seem.
-
Well mine arrived yesterday, set it up but not used it yet. Bit of a niggle is their descision to offset the mount by 90o compared to a Garmin mount.
Anyone know of a cheap source of Wahoo mounts?
-
https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Wahoo/Out-Front-Mount-for-Elemnt-Bike-Computer/EQID
This?
-
https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Wahoo/Out-Front-Mount-for-Elemnt-Bike-Computer/EQID
This?
Like that but cheaper :) I can get Garmin ones for less than a fiver! SO was hoping for that price range.
-
Actually found this https://www.shapeways.com/product/Z9TV2NB9Z/wahoo-elemnt-bolt-to-garmin-edge-adaptor?optionId=64468803&li=ostatus
Hopefully will solve my problem
-
That looks very neat and a lot better than some manufacturers would produce.
-
Actually found this https://www.shapeways.com/product/Z9TV2NB9Z/wahoo-elemnt-bolt-to-garmin-edge-adaptor?optionId=64468803&li=ostatus
Hopefully will solve my problem
Ah, but you'll be losing the aero advantage that the profile of the Bolt mount gives (according to wind tunnel tests) ;)
-
HK has been using a couple of similar adaptors for her Wahoo. They are very tight fits on the Wahoo but good fits in the Garmin mount.
-
That looks very neat and a lot better than some manufacturers would produce.
Got one on order so will report back
-
Actually found this https://www.shapeways.com/product/Z9TV2NB9Z/wahoo-elemnt-bolt-to-garmin-edge-adaptor?optionId=64468803&li=ostatus
Hopefully will solve my problem
I'd be interested to hear if it's a good solution - reason being I've been looking for a silver out-front mount for my Bolt to go with a bike with silver handlebars, so it doesn't look too out of place, but I can only find them for Garmin, not Wahoo - so this might be a solution for that "problem".
-
Well it’s been shipped so I’ll report back. Due to arrive on Tuesday but I’m travelling so won’t see it until next weekend
-
BTW, Wahoo replaced my faulty Bolt quickly and without question once they'd looked at the tracklogs (almost a year old and the GPS tracking started going wonky). Their customer service was very good - personalised email replies within hours and quick turnaround.
Seem like a good company to deal with if you are unlucky enough to have problems.
-
BTW, Wahoo replaced my faulty Bolt quickly and without question once they'd looked at the tracklogs (almost a year old and the GPS tracking started going wonky). Their customer service was very good - personalised email replies within hours and quick turnaround.
Seem like a good company to deal with if you are unlucky enough to have problems.
Unlike Garmin...
-
Hi guys, any of you come across "unable to create a file/track" when trying to sync between Elemnt app on iphone and Elemnt Bolt ?
How did you resolve this or how is this resolved?
-
Well mine arrived yesterday, set it up but not used it yet. Bit of a niggle is their descision to offset the mount by 90o compared to a Garmin mount.
Anyone know of a cheap source of Wahoo mounts?
You can use a garmin mount with a small modification - https://youtu.be/UH_1YIkXpxY
I have done it and it works perfectly
Sent from my LLD-L31 using Tapatalk
-
Think that only works for the Garmin stem mounts that you can also rotate on the stem? For an out front mount the slots will point in the same direction as the tab on the ELEMNT surely?
-
Think that only works for the Garmin stem mounts that you can also rotate on the stem? For an out front mount the slots will point in the same direction as the tab on the ELEMNT surely?
No. You can unscrew the insert and rotate by 90 degrees. I've modified several Garmin out-front holders using this method & can confirm it works well.
The only (very) slight issue is that the Bolt can rotate both ways after this mod (unlike with the Wahoo mount). That means pressing the zoom buttons on the lower right of the unit will rotate the Bolt clockwise out of the mount unless you keep pressure on the lower left at the same time. No big deal but worth mentioning.
-
That makes sense; my Garmin mounts are copies and one piece without the ability to rotate the fitting. Hence my confusion.
-
Just installed an update to my bolt.
-
Think that only works for the Garmin stem mounts that you can also rotate on the stem? For an out front mount the slots will point in the same direction as the tab on the ELEMNT surely?
On the out front mount there are two screws underneath that allow you to rotate the mounting plate by 90 degrees. I have successfully converted two old mounts in less than 10 minutes.
Sent from my LLD-L31 using Tapatalk
-
Think that only works for the Garmin stem mounts that you can also rotate on the stem? For an out front mount the slots will point in the same direction as the tab on the ELEMNT surely?
No. You can unscrew the insert and rotate by 90 degrees. I've modified several Garmin out-front holders using this method & can confirm it works well.
The only (very) slight issue is that the Bolt can rotate both ways after this mod (unlike with the Wahoo mount). That means pressing the zoom buttons on the lower right of the unit will rotate the Bolt clockwise out of the mount unless you keep pressure on the lower left at the same time. No big deal but worth mentioning.
I only modify one side of the mount which means that it will only go in one way which possibly avoids this issue
Sent from my LLD-L31 using Tapatalk
-
I only modify one side of the mount which means that it will only go in one way which possibly avoids this issue
I also only modified one side but it still rotates both ways. Check it on yours.
-
Well it’s been shipped so I’ll report back. Due to arrive on Tuesday but I’m travelling so won’t see it until next weekend
Well it arrived whilst I was away in a massive box! Slots very snugly into the ELEMNT, raises the unit a few millimetres but unless your very aero conscious it won’t matter! When I fit it to a Garmin mount, fit is variable, some it’s snug but others a little loose depending on the mount. It also will rotate fully in the mount with no lock - but none of my mounts are genuine Garmin. In use it’s fine, stayed in place as expected.
-
Bugger! I dropped my Bolt face down onto some concrete about a week ago :facepalm: and have damaged the screen, it doesn't look cracked externally, but the whole screen isn't looking great and a solid black patch seems to be spreading from one corner, and I can now no longer read the bottom right field at all. I assume this is not going to be repairable?
-
Screens on consumer devices are generally replaceable, depending on availability and your appetite for spudging.
-
Screens on consumer devices are generally replaceable, depending on availability and your appetite for spudging.
I haven't found any replacement screens available anywhere, though...
-
Does anyone know if you turn off a Bolt during a ride, but without ending the ride, (say during lunch), if you turn it back on will can you resume where you left off?
J
-
If I stop for a cuppa or lunch, I just leave mine, don't touch it, it goes to sleep and wakes up and resumes when I start again - ideal. That said, I don't know what the cut off time is or what happens then!
-
Does anyone know if you turn off a Bolt during a ride, but without ending the ride, (say during lunch), if you turn it back on will can you resume where you left off?
J
It will, but you have an anxious moment where it says it’s recovering the ride. Therefore I don’t bother and I leave it on the whole time and use a power bank to top up the charge.
-
Yesterday I tested for the first time whether plugging in a power pack mid-ride would reset anything, particularly the tracklog (as some had suggested might happen). Happy to see nothing was affected.
I had the battery pack in an empty bidon & connected to the bolt (on the out front mount) via a curly usb lead and right-angle plug. This will come in handy on rides over 15 hours. Not sure what to do if it's raining.
-
Yes, it doesn't affect it all. The only thing I've noticed is that once the charge is 100% the ext.battery switches off...and doesn't turn itself back on...so you have to jeep an eye on it. Not an onerous task, however.
-
Easy to add the battery percentage to one of your pages, as I just discovered, to keep an eye on it.
-
Easy to add the battery percentage to one of your pages, as I just discovered, to keep an eye on it.
Top tip!
-
Oh nice! Usually I press the power button very quickly.
-
Bugger! I dropped my Bolt face down onto some concrete about a week ago :facepalm: and have damaged the screen, it doesn't look cracked externally, but the whole screen isn't looking great and a solid black patch seems to be spreading from one corner, and I can now no longer read the bottom right field at all. I assume this is not going to be repairable?
Wow! I contacted Wahoo about whether it would be possible to repair the device, they said "With the BOLT, due to the manufacturing process, we are unable to repair the screens. However, I am more than willing to offer you 40% off of a new unit (single use code) as a crash replacement." - this would mean I could buy a replacement Bolt for £119.99, which seems like a no-brainer! I was actually half tempted to try the new Garmin 520 Plus, but even the cheapest price I found (£233.99, if using the -10% discount from DC Rainmaker (https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/clever-training-europe.html)) for use at Clever Training (http://www.clevertraining.co.uk/garmin-edge-520-plus-cycling-computer)) would be almost double.
That's pretty good customer service!
There only minus points I find with the Bolt are:
* No colour maps (on the flip side the screen, when not damaged, is very read-able, even in sunlight)
* No turn-by-turn direction with Strava routes (but works well with RideWithGPS and Komoot - I tend to use the former for planning routes at home on my PC, the latter I use for on-the-fly route planning on the road - I don't find the suggested routes as good as RideWithGPS, but the RideWithGPS mobile app doesn't allow route-planning, or at least didn't the last time I looked)
The Edge 520 Plus does have colour maps and turn-by-turn directions from Strava, but isn't supported yet by the Komoot IQ app and the integration with RideWithGPS is a bit clunky
Also on the Bolt:
* You can't pan the maps, so if you go off course e.g. to visit a point of interest, it's not always easy to find it again. Don't know why they don't implement this, can't be that hard! Apparently the Edge 520 Plus can't pan either (though the 820 can)
* Occasional odd data recording (e.g. I apparently had a maximum speed of 67mph on the recent London to Brighton ride...)
* If you turn the Bolt off whilst recording (e.g. to save battery at a lunch stop) it doesn't always recover correctly. I tend to just leave it on now, the battery life is very good anyway, so it's not usually an issue
* At night time, would be nice to be able to have it auto-turn on the backlight when a turn direction is displayed and to leave it on for 8 seconds
I do prefer having buttons to a touchscreen (e.g. like the Edge 820)
-
Also noticed that the 40% discount also applied to accessories, so picked up a Tickr Heart Rate (https://uk.wahoofitness.com/devices/heart-rate-monitors) strap at the same time as ordering a replacement Bolt :-)
-
I had the battery pack in an empty bidon & connected to the bolt (on the out front mount) via a curly usb lead and right-angle plug. This will come in handy on rides over 15 hours. Not sure what to do if it's raining.
I had my Elemnt connected to a bank throughout 10hrs of rain (some of it torrential) during a recent ride; it didn't miss a beat. I decided not to disconnect the external cable while it was raining as that might have provided a way of ingress but I know the connector is in a different place on the Bolt so don't know if that information is of any use or not...
-
I had the battery pack in an empty bidon & connected to the bolt (on the out front mount) via a curly usb lead and right-angle plug. This will come in handy on rides over 15 hours. Not sure what to do if it's raining.
I had my Elemnt connected to a bank throughout 10hrs of rain (some of it torrential) during a recent ride; it didn't miss a beat. I decided not to disconnect the external cable while it was raining as that might have provided a way of ingress but I know the connector is in a different place on the Bolt so don't know if that information is of any use or not...
Thanks - good to know.
-
Anyone had trouble with charging on their Bolt? I'm in the Alps at the moment and I can't charge my unit, I've tried 3 different cables different power banks and a charge on the mains all to no avail. Bit annoyed as its not that old and I'm on holiday.
Looks like a phone call is needed.
-
Bought an elemnt bolt last year, used 3 or 4 days a week for commuting and sunday rides.
A few weeks before the waranty expired, the flap covering the side zoom button started peeling off.
Got a replacement fairly quickly from Wahoo with a new unit when this issue was mentioned to them, top customer service there.
Recently, the battery of the replacement unit seems to have died on me, (after being used for only a few months). The battery lasts for about 15 minutes from fully charged now.
Not sure if its related, but this happened after charging the unit with a powerbank (a Teknet https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00FBD3MVA ) . That power bank still charges my mobile phone without a hitch however, but am wondering if there could have been some bad interaction between it and the GPS.
When I mentioned the powerbank story to Wahoo support, they suddenly became silent. So I guess in their view the power bank is at fault there.
Arnaud.
-
Bought an elemnt bolt last year, used 3 or 4 days a week for commuting and sunday rides.
A few weeks before the waranty expired, the flap covering the side zoom button started peeling off.
Got a replacement fairly quickly from Wahoo with a new unit when this issue was mentioned to them, top customer service there.
Mine has started doing this too. Did you contact wahoo direct, or did you have to go through who you bought it from?
J
-
Bought an elemnt bolt last year, used 3 or 4 days a week for commuting and sunday rides.
A few weeks before the waranty expired, the flap covering the side zoom button started peeling off.
Got a replacement fairly quickly from Wahoo with a new unit when this issue was mentioned to them, top customer service there.
Mine has started doing this too. Did you contact wahoo direct, or did you have to go through who you bought it from?
J
Contacted Wahoo direct and they organised pick up of old unit and delivery of a new one in about a week.
-
I have a route saved in my Wahoo Elemnt, I am looking to join the route a third of the way around. Will the Wahoo realise I have joined the route mid-way and direct me along the breadcrumb along the final third to the end of the route?
-
I have a route saved in my Wahoo Elemnt, I am looking to join the route a third of the way around. Will the Wahoo realise I have joined the route mid-way and direct me along the breadcrumb along the final third to the end of the route?
Yes. I have the Bolt and that is exactly what it does. Wherever you join the route it will let you know the 'route has been found' and it'll give you the breadcrumbs from there to follow.
-
I have a route saved in my Wahoo Elemnt, I am looking to join the route a third of the way around. Will the Wahoo realise I have joined the route mid-way and direct me along the breadcrumb along the final third to the end of the route?
Yes, as psyclist says, that's what it does. It can be confusing in as much as the red lights flash for a few seconds (off course) even though you are now on course before flashing green, confirming you are on course.
-
Great that's good to know- thank you.
Sent from my SM-A530F using Tapatalk
-
Bought an elemnt bolt last year, used 3 or 4 days a week for commuting and sunday rides.
A few weeks before the waranty expired, the flap covering the side zoom button started peeling off.
Got a replacement fairly quickly from Wahoo with a new unit when this issue was mentioned to them, top customer service there.
Recently, the battery of the replacement unit seems to have died on me, (after being used for only a few months). The battery lasts for about 15 minutes from fully charged now.
Not sure if its related, but this happened after charging the unit with a powerbank (a Teknet https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00FBD3MVA ) . That power bank still charges my mobile phone without a hitch however, but am wondering if there could have been some bad interaction between it and the GPS.
When I mentioned the powerbank story to Wahoo support, they suddenly became silent. So I guess in their view the power bank is at fault there.
Arnaud.
So.... wahoo unexpectedly came back for this battery issue on a replacement unit at the end of November ( after 2 months of radio-silence) and promised a replacement despite the original unit being out of warranty.
In the mean time I had bought a new unit having not heard from them. Side button covers peeling off too now on that one. Don't think I was being rough with it either. So this one hopefully will also be replaced.
-
I got a Bolt last year and used it a number of times. All good, but I have a question regarding a 'use case' I've not done before but will be shortly:
- while following a saved route with TBT and taking a cafe stop half way around, I want to pause/stop the ride, and maybe take the Bolt with me off the bike into the caff, then return to the bike, having everything re-pair, and then continue from where I left off, following the remainder of the saved route
- I want the completed ride to remain as a single ride, not split into two
Basic stuff, I realise!
If it wasn't for me wanting to maybe remove the Bolt from the bike and trouser it while at the caff, I assume I could just rely on the Bolt's Auto-pause feature... but since I do want to remove it from the bike, what manual steps if any do I need to do to have it work the way I want it to?
Should I pause it, turn it off, etc on stopping? Then what do I need to get to get going again, re-commencing the route I'm following?
-
Should I pause it, turn it off, etc on stopping? Then what do I need to get to get going again, re-commencing the route I'm following?
Generally I leave it switched on and just carry it into cafes. But if it is going to be a longer stop, I do sometimes switch it off. The steps I use are:
- Switch unit off by pressing the left hand button for a few seconds
- About a minute before I want to restart riding, I switch the unit back on
- It can take a minute or so to recover the ride
- Then I select the route again, it generally doesn't take long to find the right place on the route and TBT is available again
You end up with a single track at the end of the ride.
I've not had any problems doing this, but I have heard of people claiming that the ride hasn't restored. That is why I usually just leave it switched on, as a precaution.
-
Rarely take the wahoo off the bike at stops, much to do with the sort of places I stop and I'm set up to charge on the go.
But have used the manual pause function on a couple of occasions.
(I don't believe in Auto-Pause... ok really it's because it's more useful to know your overall average when doing Randoneé)
On mine some sensors re-pair automatically, while my wahoo speed and cadence sensor are very quick to drop after stopping (even if not paused) and only re-pair when the wahoo is on the settings screen, which is odd as at the start of each ride they pair ok.
Which also reminds me the speed sensor is flashing red so is probably about to run out of battery.
One feature I've noticed with the wahoo software is that you can start and stop routes while riding without affecting the recording, which is great as my old Garmin would just crash if you did anything other than start at the start of a route, and would almost certainly crash if it thought you'd finished the route...
The one risk to be aware of if "pocketing" the device when paused is the End Ride screen pops up after pausing, so you're at risk of telling it to discard the ride which is a greater danger to your data than accidentally splitting the ride! (As you can at least combine files)
-
Thanks for the replies.
I'll try just (manually) pausing it first of all and see how that works out. Less to go wrong, but more battery usage, which may not be a problem for the duration of my rides.
-
So.... wahoo unexpectedly came back for this battery issue on a replacement unit at the end of November ( after 2 months of radio-silence) and promised a replacement despite the original unit being out of warranty.
In the mean time I had bought a new unit having not heard from them. Side button covers peeling off too now on that one. Don't think I was being rough with it either. So this one hopefully will also be replaced.
What's your status with the peeling side buttons? The buttons on mine have basically peeled off completely now. I put in a ticket with wahoo, they have arranged collection, then will send me a new one. I'm glad I now have a second unit (after the original crashed on RatN). Means I can keep riding for the few days between collection, and arrival of the new unit.
J
-
So.... wahoo unexpectedly came back for this battery issue on a replacement unit at the end of November ( after 2 months of radio-silence) and promised a replacement despite the original unit being out of warranty.
In the mean time I had bought a new unit having not heard from them. Side button covers peeling off too now on that one. Don't think I was being rough with it either. So this one hopefully will also be replaced.
What's your status with the peeling side buttons? The buttons on mine have basically peeled off completely now. I put in a ticket with wahoo, they have arranged collection, then will send me a new one. I'm glad I now have a second unit (after the original crashed on RatN). Means I can keep riding for the few days between collection, and arrival of the new unit.
J
They arranged collection of the faulty unit and sent a brand new replacement quite quickly after getting back in touch.
Didn't realise the unit was actually benefitting from a two years warranty rather than one.
-
On the Bolt, presumably you can follow a GPX route turn by turn and record the actual ride (to go onto Strava) at the same time?
-
On the Bolt, presumably you can follow a GPX route turn by turn and record the actual ride (to go onto Strava) at the same time?
You can on the ELEMNT so I assume you can in the Bolt as well.
-
Yes (at least mine does) - it wasn't obvious on day one that it did, I had to do a trial run to find out. Assuming you press the start button to start recording of course!
-
On the Bolt, presumably you can follow a GPX route turn by turn and record the actual ride (to go onto Strava) at the same time?
Yes. The "Start Ride" record mode is independent of following routes. You do, of course, have to "start" the ride to record it. Simply following a route won't do that for you.
You can end active routes (accessed from the "map" page) and switch to other routes at any stage without interrupting a ride recording - useful for splitting ride routes or having alternate routes to swap to during ride.
-
On the Bolt, presumably you can follow a GPX route turn by turn and record the actual ride (to go onto Strava) at the same time?
Yes, this is basic functionality. If you configure wifi with your home network, and set it to auto upload, then not only will it record the log, but it can also automagically upload the ride to strava when you get home and hit stop*.
Just make sure you hit start when you start the ride.
Update on the buttons: Strava replaced it no questions asked, they arranged pickup, sent me a document to print, I printed it, put the wahoo back in box, put box in another box, put printed document on outside, waited in, got a guy from TNT who scanned it. The next day before the package was showing as delivered, I got notification that a new unit had been dispatched. It arrived 2 days later. It was pretty damn painless! I'm impressed. The ease with which they did it makes me wonder if this is a known flaw with one batch, and they are just trying to get them all out of circulation with as little negative publicity as they can.
J
*Mine auto uploads when I get up to my flat, even tho I hit stop outside, 6 floors down. The wifi signal works outside the front door, so I usually get the beep in my ear to say the strava upload is complete when I'm still fumbling with my keys.
-
I've been using the Bolt for a few months now and it's generally great - particularly for VeloViewer tile hunting rides which can be quite tortous and it's saved a lot of time writing my routesheets. The battery life is slightly too short for a 200km ride at my pace but I have a portable charger.
One issue I've found is that while it generally transfers recorded activities from the Bolt to the Elemnt phone app OK, the Wahoo system then doesn't forward the activity to Strava. If I go into the activity on the app and choose 'Delete and Resync' (which means it takes it from the Bolt a second time), it does appear in Strava. Has anyone else found this?
-
I've been using the Bolt for a few months now and it's generally great - particularly for VeloViewer tile hunting rides which can be quite tortous and it's saved a lot of time writing my routesheets. The battery life is slightly too short for a 200km ride at my pace but I have a portable charger.
One issue I've found is that while it generally transfers recorded activities from the Bolt to the Elemnt phone app OK, the Wahoo system then doesn't forward the activity to Strava. If I go into the activity on the app and choose 'Delete and Resync' (which means it takes it from the Bolt a second time), it does appear in Strava. Has anyone else found this?
Yep, I had this, you have to disconnect the app from strava, then re authenticate it.
Also, as a side route, if you add your wifi network to the element, then you can do a sync (goto map screen, select route, hit sync). Assuming you have the strava/elemnt pairing setup, it doesn't need the phone.
J
-
Thanks QG, that seems to have fixed it :thumbsup:
-
You can also go to the Elemnt app > History > open the ride you've done, tap the 'upload' button (top RH corner on iOS) and then tap on send in the Strava section. If I have the digital data enabled on my phone when I finish a ride, this usually happens automatically. If I just have wi-fi, it sometimes works, sometimes it doesn't, but it can be checked and done this way later.
-
Used the Elemnt (not Bolt) today for the first time in ages. Worked well using a route planned on RWGPS. While in a LBS I noted that Wahoo have now got the Elemnt Roam and another one or two new models. Still not a great display on the Roam TBH. And it’s very expensive. If I recall correctly the Roam does have significant improvements, however - it can operate as a stand alone router planner, can route back to your route if you get lost (as can the Elemnt, but only by way of a phone app), and can create a route home.
Which brings me to my point. I was in said LBS looking for a Wahoo mount. The Elemnt came with 3 mounts: out-front for road bars, a stem mount, and a mount which I thought was for MTB 22.2mm bars. It is not - it is for TT bars and thus faces the wrong way*.
Wahoo, it seems do not make a 22.2mm mount. LBS man said that the stem mount - that’s for along the top of the stem, not stem cap - could be used anywhere. But surely the radius is all wrong for anything but the stem, and would need an unseemly amount of padding out? And anyway, I have lost it. And the shop didn’t have any.
Do any of you have one on 22.2mm bars? Did the stem mount work or what have you used?
* I have looked for a 90 degree rotation adapter or converter to change the orientation - then it would work in the location I have in mind. Don’t seem to be made.
-
HK uses an adaptor for her Wahoo on a Garmin fitting. 3D printed off eBay, I think.
-
On the last Bolt I fitted to a friend's bike the mount could be dismantled (couple of screws IIRC) and rotated 90 degrees before reassembly and fitting. It fitted fine on his handlebars.
-
I have a 3d Printed shim I used to fit my di2 junction box to my tri bars. I think it would convert the standard out front mount to fit on 22mm bars.
Crap photo:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-e6AwxWkAEkLuN?format=jpg&name=360x360)
I have spares, if you want me to drop one in the post.
J
-
HK uses an adaptor for her Wahoo on a Garmin fitting. 3D printed off eBay, I think.
I use that very same adapter and find it perfect in use, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MagCAD-Wahoo-Elemnt-Bolt-to-Garmin-Adaptor-Cycling-3D-Printed-GPS-/292586282737 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MagCAD-Wahoo-Elemnt-Bolt-to-Garmin-Adaptor-Cycling-3D-Printed-GPS-/292586282737)
Wahoo also now provide one, slightly cheaper, https://uk.wahoofitness.com/devices/accessories/quarter-turn-mount-adapter-elemnt (https://uk.wahoofitness.com/devices/accessories/quarter-turn-mount-adapter-elemnt)
-
I have a 3d Printed shim I used to fit my di2 junction box to my tri bars. I think it would convert the standard out front mount to fit on 22mm bars.
I have spares, if you want me to drop one in the post.
J
That’s very kind of you, but the other point I ought to have mentioned is that I cannot have the unit out front, as it interferes with a fixed front light. Hence I have not gone down the route of shimming out the standard mount.
Psyclist, LWaB, thanks, it does seem that Garmin + adapter is the way to go. I think I need a different MagCAD adapter:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MagCAD-Wahoo-Elemnt-to-Garmin-Adaptor-Cycling-3D-Printed-GPS/292657370798?hash=item4423bd16ae:m:mO_TRpnR0_BS7MXm8MBkDDw
As you say the Wahoo one is cheaper.
Needs to be on the bars or only slightly out front. This would be ideal, combined with the above, but is a trifle spendy:
https://buy.garmin.com/en-GB/GB/p/596570
I’ve also found this, which would work nicely, but I cannot tell if it is possible to change the orientation from tri-bar to normal:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07676GSB6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AOAZASU77A2GJ&psc=1
ppm, this is not possible with the tri bar mount that I have:
https://uk.wahoofitness.com/devices/accessories/aerobar-mount-for-elemnt-bike-computer
-
Now been using the element bolt for 2 weeks. I have yet to do a super big ride with it but I have navigated around twisty towns streets and it's been very good, a lot less confusing on odd shaped junctions than my old garmin. The battery life is excellent and it's far easier to plug routes into it than the garmin.
What does annoy me is neither service lets you sort routes into folders of any kind. It would be very helpful to be able to sort routes into e.g. 'Rides from home' > 50km / 100 km / 200 km etc or 'old audaxes' > 200 km / 300 km / 400 km. Instead everything is rendered to a big unwieldy list. Wahoo is a bit better as it lets you view which routes you're closest to the start point from but it still irks me.
-
What does annoy me is neither service lets you sort routes into folders of any kind. It would be very helpful to be able to sort routes into e.g. 'Rides from home' > 50km / 100 km / 200 km etc or 'old audaxes' > 200 km / 300 km / 400 km. Instead everything is rendered to a big unwieldy list. Wahoo is a bit better as it lets you view which routes you're closest to the start point from but it still irks me.
The only way I have worked around that is to archive unlikely to be immediately re-used routes onto my computer as .fit files (I usually use RWGPS or Komoot for planning). They are then automagically removed from the Bolt/Elemnt when it next "syncs". If I want them back, I just reload them into RWGPS and they magically re-appear. My "active" route lists rarely exceeds 10-20 entries now, even for a week away.
-
Yeah I have thought about saving gpx's etc into my google drive but just haven't bothered.
I might send wahoo some feedback about it later...
-
I like to keep the files on the Bolt to a minimum, so I don't have RWGPS sync switched on.
Regular routes I keep on the Bolt. For new routes I export the TCX from RWGPS (or Komoot) and load to Wahoo via the saved TCX file using my phone. Then sync the Bolt. Slightly more convoluted than a direct sync, but I prefer the control over what is stored on the Bolt.
-
I have them as just one big list, with komoot and strava routes both synced. All in all there's a couple of hundred+ routes on there. Some of the routes from Strava I have starred, so I can find them with "sort by: Starred". Others I name based on what they are, so a lot start VV (veloviewer), and some LTC (Long Term Challenge), and some both. This plus sort by distance and sort by proximity work for me.
I think a lot of it comes down to what you're used to.
J
-
Oh SH?T. Just took the plunge after much deliberation and bought a wahoo roam. Then found that it will not be friends with my mobile. I have an Honor 10, a cheapo subset of Huawei. I like the mobile not only because it is cheap and powerful, but also because Trump trumpets against Huawei. Now I have to decide whether to buy new mobile or send back the wahoo. Best wahoo deal I could find was 10% off at ctc cotswold. Seems that wahoo incompatibility with Huawei Honor is a known if unpublicised problem which wahoo are not interested in resolving.
-
That's a shame, but Wahoo do say on their FAQ's;
Note: Since Android devices vary widely, compatibility cannot be assured for all devices. Please download and install the Wahoo Fitness Android app from the Google Play Store before purchasing a Wahoo Fitness product to ensure compatibility.
I've had my Bolt since they were launched in March 17, and after some early issues with them dropping the GPS signal, have been very pleased. I bought a Roam and sent it back - the RH button was very flaky, a common issue it seemed.
-
Interesting, not had problems using my elemnt with my honor.
Wonder if this is actually a trumpian thing
Sent from my BKL-L09 using Tapatalk
-
Ha thanks for that FE. That gave me the incentive to try again to connect and lo, Honor and Roam are connected! Whoopee. :) So the Wahoo advisor may have been wrong. Will pursue testing tomos.
-
How well does the basic Elemnt work with a power bank?
-
How well does the basic Elemnt work with a power bank?
Exactly as I expect it to.
Charged by it and then powered by it once it reaches full.
Forgetting to disconnect is of course my #1 cause of excess power bank drain...
Sent from my BKL-L09 using Tapatalk
-
I got a refurbed Bolt recently. I was having a great time with it but then it started crashing and not rendering the maps, so I got in touch with Wahoo (who I bought it directly from).
It looks like they're sending me a brand new one as soon as I stick the refurb back in the post which is jolly decent of them. It means I won't have it in time for Sunday's audax (probably) but ho hum it's not that twisty a course and I can just use my phone.
-
How well does the basic Elemnt work with a power bank?
Exactly as I expect it to.
Charged by it and then powered by it once it reaches full.
Great, thanks!
-
The Bolt has £15 off at the moment. £185.00 :thumbsup:
-
First world problem but is anyone else finding that their Elemnt is not uploading to Strava?
-
This happens occasionally. The usual fix is to de-authorise the Strava connection in the Wahoo app on your phone, then re-authorise it.
-
Thanks. I thought I had already done that, but I realise see now that all I was doing was unchecking and rechecking the box in Automatic Uploads in Settings. I needed to go a step further and deauthorise / reauthorise Strava from the app list. Cheers for the nudge to refresh my memory.
Edited to add:
Actually no. It hasn’t worked. Even though I can on the device that it is synching Strava. Any other suggestions?
-
On the ride in the Element app, click the three dots then Resync ride ?
-
It's working now. I just repeated the process of reauthorisation and this time it stuck.
-
Noticed an odd/annoying "feature" yesterday. I loaded a road but as I set off I was too busy checking that the brakes were connected (see Diverry passim), I was clipped in and had shoes on the right feet that I forgot to start the ride. Directions came up OK so I continued and only after a few miles realised that the distance wasn't showing, although speed was.
So it will give directions even if the ride hasn't started.
-
Fun bug...
Last Tuesday my wahoo decided to stop syncing via wifi. It also seemed to be unable to connect to bluetooth. I tried lots of things, even went so far as to file a support ticket with wahoo.
Today I thought I'd give it one more go. Well the wifi thing didn't work cos it had decided to forget all the wifi networks it knew about. It did however pair to my phone properly today. Have updated the firmware to the latest version, and taken the opportunity to update all the maps. Then realised I should probably do that to both devices as I have two bolts. Which takes a while...
The not being able to connect to my phone thing and forgetting all the wifi has made me kinda trust it just a little bit less. I hope it's a short lived bug and doesn't happen again. But now I have to teach it all the wifi networks it used to know...
J
-
Mine was doing something similar a few weeks ago. Did various things like reinstalling phone app, relinking to phone and seems ok now.
-
the new version looks like a small improvement once/if the software is fixed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-IHDyiPK7Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-IHDyiPK7Q)
-
Yes, when DCRainmaker says it's 'totally unusable' you know Wahoo have got their work cut out ... As a long time Bolt user, I'm not surprised. I'd buy this in a heartbeat, if only for the better screen and colours, except that Wahoo continue to royally screw up their software, always breaking two more things when they fix one. My Bolt no longer syncs with the app, and no longer uploads rides to Strava etc - I have to do it all manually. This has been going on a couple of years, there are hundreds complaining about it on the Bolt forum, I logged it again with Wahoo a couple of weeks ago, they said they are 'working on a fix'. I'll hang back and see what updates DCR reports.
-
He doesn't mention 2 of the most important things in a cycle computer, for me anyway - price and battery life (maybe he couldn't keep it running long enough without crashing to determine the battery life).
I'll buy this when the problems are fixed if the price and battery life are decent.
-
£250 and 15 hours ...
-
£250 and 15 hours ...
:thumbsup:
-
Yes, when DCRainmaker says it's 'completely unusable' you know Wahoo have got their work cut out ... As a long time Bolt user, I'm not surprised. I'd buy this in a heartbeat, if only for the better screen and colours, except that Wahoo continue to royally screw up their software, always breaking two more things when they fix one. My Bolt no longer syncs with the app, and no longer uploads rides to Strava etc - I have to do it all manually. This has been going on a couple of years, there are hundreds complaining about it on the Bolt forum, I logged it again with Wahoo a couple of weeks ago, they said they are 'working on a fix'. I'll hang back and see what updates DCR reports.
Is there a bike GPS with similar functions that doesn't have issues? Garmin certainly do
-
Whilst my hammerhead was a disaster and behaved exactly as this new Bolt, I have heard good things about the new hammerhead. The screen is just superb, it now has a beeper and as it is running Android side loading is possible.
-
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2QEv0tXIAIvVfH?format=jpg&name=large)
I love that the cause of the bug is too much cycle infrastructure...
https://twitter.com/tuttifrutti163/status/1397248570122641409
Hahaha so a device for navigating on a bike can't handle places which are built for navigating on a bike 
J
-
Amsterdam, eh?
That explains why he rides around with 3 GPS units on his bars and a wristful of GPS watches. Too stoned to find his way back.
-
Other than the temperature sensor failing on PBP and the occasional regression in the firmware, I've never really had any of the issues I hear people sating they have on wahoo.
My garmin edge 510s were however fairly disastrous and my fenix2 never lived up to its billing.
Sent from my BKL-L09 using Tapatalk
-
As for the Amsterdam thing that would suggest it can't cope with the mapping, but presumably the element roam copes?
Sent from my BKL-L09 using Tapatalk
-
recent cycling garmins are issue free, they have small annoying things to get used to, but work reliably, have superb battery life (530, 830) and a decent app to sync with.
having said that, this v2 bolt is the first unit from wahoo that looks appealing (to me), it would need to work flawlessly though.
-
Basic issue with Garmins is that I just can't hear them - the Wahoo is excellent in that respect.
-
The irony is the Garmin Varia is apparently a lot louder when paired to a Wahoo Elemnt that with a Garmin head unit.
-
As a recent purchaser of a Varia, I can only agree - it's brilliant to hear the alarm without needing to be looking at a screen all the time. Likewise with turn by turn. Couldn't believe how quiet the Garmin I tried were - it's a basic, surely, to have a sound that can be heard at 20mph over wind and road noise? As for the first Karoo that had no sound facility at all ...
-
beep volume should be automatically adjusted depending on speed, ideally. i can hear garmins fine at usual traveling speeds, but missed a few turns when descending at 50kph+, not a big deal for me as this happens v.rarely. i've tried using it mounted on a stem and found it too loud (due to sound reflection?), so prefer to use it on the out-front mounts which allow sound waves to travel down, away from my head/ears and looks a bit neater too.
-
Old news. Ironically, I announced the thing exactly a year ago to this day. On another forum. (https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=174&t=1684662&i=1540)
;D
-
beep volume should be automatically adjusted depending on speed, ideally.
Speed isn't the only issue though. Traffic can be a bigger problem, and wind.
-
beep volume should be automatically adjusted depending on speed, ideally.
Speed isn't the only issue though. Traffic can be a bigger problem, and wind.
valid points, but not something i've come across much, strange as it may sound. most if not all of my rides are on (mostly) quiet roads and traffic noise isn't that loud these days anyway with modern quiet cars. wind needs to be reeeeaaaaly strong to interfere with hearing gps beeps - i tend to stay indoors during such weather spinning on a turbo, going out for a run or just having a "recovery".
-
beep volume should be automatically adjusted depending on speed, ideally.
Speed isn't the only issue though. Traffic can be a bigger problem, and wind.
valid points, but not something i've come across much, strange as it may sound. most if not all of my rides are on (mostly) quiet roads and traffic noise isn't that loud these days anyway with modern quiet cars. wind needs to be reeeeaaaaly strong to interfere with hearing gps beeps - i tend to stay indoors during such weather spinning on a turbo, going out for a run or just having a "recovery".
Indeed. I'm in central London so it's a 10 miles in heavy traffic before I reach any quiet lanes ;)
-
Indeed. I'm in central London so it's a 10 miles in heavy traffic before I reach any quiet lanes ;)
likewise, but i can ride to the lanes with my eyes closed, so to speak. i'm sure you can too.
-
Ordered - couldn't resist. I'll keep the V1 for Kickr sessions to preserve battery cycle life on the V2.
Other reviewers haven't had the problems of DCR. Hopefully updates will sort things out regardless.
-
Ha, me too! Had V1 since March 2017, figured it had earned its keep in that time without too many issues (other than syncing, which is a pain, but it's near faultless out on the road). Wiggle sold out immediately (how many did they have!), no more for 2-4 weeks, went to Sigma.
-
Bolt V2 arrived today. Initial set up worked very well, usual scan of the qr screen and it was away, except it took minutes to find the wifi, despite sitting on top of the router. Once that was done, there was a 10 minute software update and reboot and then it was down to setting up the pages to duplicate Bolt V1, and this was a bit tedious. It really needs a way to sync pages between units, in the way that you just sit a new iPhone next to the old one and it all just syncs. That said, it found my Strava, RideWith GPS and Komoot connections and joined those automatically, downloading 167 routes in the background. Anyway, once done, it all looks very nice. The colours are low key but certainly help fields stand out and the mapping is much better for it. The face of the unit looks a whole lot better, with a flush, matte screen and the front buttons feel good, although you do have press the centre rather than off centre to get a good click. There is an auto option for screen brightness now, with the sensor to the LH side of the top led's. The temp is 5º C higher than Bolt 1 and altitude 200m+ higher - both known issues apparently which Wahoo are working on. Currently charging via USB-C for a ride tomorrow.
Issues: 1. the backlight is nowhere near as bright as Bolt V1 and, with the condensed font, the screen doesn't seem as readable (on a desktop at least). 2. Sound is different, possibly not as loud. 3. GPS issues - Bolt V1 is far, far quicker and better at getting a signal. Bolt V2 sitting in the garden unable to get a signal, whilst Bolt V1 is away in seconds. This is worrying.
-
Been using the V2 for a few days. Absolutely faultless so far. Really liking the brighter colour screen and rerouting. Very happy :)
Updates are coming fast - three this week - so hopefully some of the problems others are having will be resolved.
-
Well, just to give balance, I have returned mine. For a so called premium product, I find implementation to be very poor. As well as the bad temperature and altitude reporting (which also afflicted my Bolt 1, as they both use the same software), the gps accuracy never got better than 50 or so, whilst my Bolt 1 next to it (both facing open sky) hovers at about 3-5. I wonder if they're using a different gps chip. Battery reporting is either faulty or (unlikely) the battery is bad. I took both Bolts on a short ride, fully charged, Bolt 1 dropped 6% (a 4 year old battery), Bolt 2, 22%. Map rendering is really slow (presumably linked to the poor gps) and there is a noticeable lag when switchng to the map page before anything happens. Overall, although the screen was brighter even in bright sun, and the led's were actually visible, for me legibility is slightly poorer due to the odd new font. I really liked the colour strip for my Varia Radar though. Colour on the maps is ok and it does make them a little clearer. Sound is quieter (but way better than Garmin, which is mouse quiet). I see another update (11606) has been pushed out today, but too late for me. I've downloaded it onto Bolt 1 and elevation is better, now only 6m adrift, rather than 200m. Given the issues Wahoo have had trying to deal with syncing issues over the last two years, it may be some time before Bolt 2 is as it should be.
-
I have a horrible noob question, have done the inital setup and got a route setup for a ride this weekend
I need the app on my phone to add a route but after that the bolt runs on its own unless I want to do the Live Track?
And unless I want the phone connected by bluetoothto see texts and email notifications?
-
Yes - correct on all points :thumbsup:
I only leave the phone connected to the Bolt if I want to see email/text messages, but as I can see them on my watch anyway I rarely do this.
Once the route(s) are synced to the Bolt it works independently for the ride. If you want to upload the tracklog to a 3rd party apps post-ride then you need to launch the Elemnts app so it can sync.
-
If you sync with Strava or komoot or ridewithgps, then the route menu on the map page will list all your routes. You can then select one. No need to have you phone on. I only tend to sync to my phone if I want to upload a ride away from home. Rest of the time I have the wahoo do it direct via WiFi.
J
-
My original BOLT seems to have gone a bit crap. I haven't used the turn-by-turn for ages, but at the weekend it was hopeless. It would frequently tell me I was off-course, putting the arrow 10/20m off the side of the road. When It was 'working' the map seemed to be lagging about 10s, so I would regularly miss the turnings as the screen appeared to suggest I needed the next one.
I can't help but be cynical that the screen says 'updating' or 'installing' at least once a week when i switch it off that they are messing with it to try and make me buy a new one....
-
I wonder if the flood of updates is due to fixes for the V2. If the V1 & V2 share updates then possibly the ones that fix problems in the V2 screw things up on the V1?
BTW V2 working flawlessly here. Tested on a long ride yesterday with much re-routing needed and never missed a beat. Battery life promising too - 60% battery left after 8 hours with Vario connected and backlight on auto.
-
As far as I can tell regular updates have always been a thing for wahoo.
As for gps accuracy, you don't live in the south of England do you? Might be external reasons for a 10m/20m shift...
Sent from my BKL-L09 using Tapatalk
-
Thanks, did 80km with it on Saturday and it worked beautifully bar beeping like a slot machine for reasons unknown, especially annoying for instructions to carry on straight ahead. I've turned of turn by turn beeps now so will see. I don't mind a beep for an actual turning and I liked the way it deal with my one navigational error, is that there level of control over navigation beeps?
If not then there should be becuase the default on was ridiculous.
Have to say it's a very neat box of tricks.
-
Mapping generally doesn't have the priorities as seen on the ground in them, so technically every field entry that's on the map is a junction with instruction.
Can be a bit dangerous I'd people translate straight on as you've got priority of way.
Sent from my BKL-L09 using Tapatalk
-
The turn by turn data comes from whichever mapping website you use? I used Komoot because I liked the route it came up with. or does the Bolt simply treat every change or road name and or junction as a turn?
-
Yes, whether komoot or rwgps the data behind it is likely from OSM
Suspect wahoos on-board mapping is also OSM.
Sent from my BKL-L09 using Tapatalk
-
Non techy question if I may?
Does the new V2 Elemnt Bolt fit the older Bolt mounting bracket?
Over the few years I've had the original Bolt, I've acquired enough mounting brackets to fit one on all my bikes.
It would be nice* if I could continue to use them if I bought a V2 head unit, rather than have the added expense of replacing them all or the added faff of swapping one every time I rode a different bike.
It would be nice* in the sense it would be a nice surprise if it was still the same fitting.
-
Yes, the V2 fits the V1 (and adapted Garmin) mounts. Not the other way around though - V1 won't fit V2.
-
I have had another long ride with the bolt and loved it, I get the red leds flashing when I missed a turn and the green ones when I was back on track.
But once right near the end when I got into a silly off track situation on a very busy rode where it endlessly tried to make me turn right onto mtb trails in Epping Forest, the leds all flashed blue, does that mean I am now on a corrected route to take me back to the regular planned route?
-
It's working now. I just repeated the process of reauthorisation and this time it stuck.
For the past few weeks I have been having problems with syncing again. Two things happening:
- occasional failure to completely sync from device to Elemnt app - numbers are there, but map will not load. However, even if this happens, the ride can still upload to Strava.
- failure to sync with Strava (or RidewithGPS) from app, as if rides are simply not “seen”.
Most annoying.
I have contacted Wahoo support. I’m at the stage where they advise me to do all the things that I have already told them I did but didn’t work. Plus the usual “is your internet working” stuff.
-
It's working now. I just repeated the process of reauthorisation and this time it stuck.
For the past few weeks I have been having problems with syncing again. Two things happening:
- occasional failure to completely sync from device to Elemnt app - numbers are there, but map will not load. However, even if this happens, the ride can still upload to Strava.
- failure to sync with Strava (or RidewithGPS) from app, as if rides are simply not “seen”.
Most annoying.
I have contacted Wahoo support. I’m at the stage where they advise me to do all the things that I have already told them I did but didn’t work. Plus the usual “is your internet working” stuff.
I've noticed issues with syncing not happening some times too. I usually get it to sync eventually but it often takes a very long time.
J
-
^^Thirded. Sometimes I have to restart the phone, reinstall the app, restart and re-pair the device - before going through all the inane "Hey Wahooligan!" guff for the nth time.
-
^^Thirded. Sometimes I have to restart the phone, reinstall the app, restart and repair the device - before going through all the inane "Hey Wahooligan!" guff for the nth time.
I've never had to go that far to get it to sync. But it's definitely not as simple as it used to be.
J
-
As for gps accuracy, you don't live in the south of England do you? Might be external reasons for a 10m/20m shift...
I do, but the problem seems to only occur on my 'away day' rides. Last 2x times I had this problem i was in Wales and Devon.
-
^^Thirded. Sometimes I have to restart the phone, reinstall the app, restart and re-pair the device - before going through all the inane "Hey Wahooligan!" guff for the nth time.
I’ve done all the reinstalling, re-pairing etc. with no effect.
I’m still going through various settings with Wahoo support - e.g. ensuring battery optimisation is off for the app, and checking the phone’s location settings. I’m not sure that is going to help. How will that help with the issue of rides occasionally transferring to the app but the map not loading? Or the fact that almost all rides do sync properly, so the settings must be right?
They have asked me to check that my firmware is updated, quoting a version number that is umpteen numbers behind the version that I have got. I shall persevere. Suspect this is not something they know how to fix. I might have to revert to manually uploading rides perhaps.
-
I’ve done all the reinstalling, re-pairing etc. with no effect.
I’m still going through various settings with Wahoo support - e.g. ensuring battery optimisation is off for the app, and checking the phone’s location settings. I’m not sure that is going to help. How will that help with the issue of rides occasionally transferring to the app but the map not loading? Or the fact that almost all rides do sync properly, so the settings must be right?
They have asked me to check that my firmware is updated, quoting a version number that is umpteen numbers behind the version that I have got. I shall persevere. Suspect this is not something they know how to fix. I might have to revert to manually uploading rides perhaps.
If you want to DM me your issue number, i can file one with wahoo support as well, mention you have a similar issue. IF they have more than one person logging it, they are likely to take it more seriously.
J
-
Well yesterday has been a bit of a ride.
Got a prompt to update the firmware on my bolt. Which I did.
Out on a ride, I had the device crash 3 times. each the same cause. Zoom out to 10km, zoom back to 500m, crashes in 5-10 seconds.
The first two times, it recovered just fine. The 3rd it did a factory reset. I lost all my settings, and all my history. Even the map wasn't displaying.
Today I connected it to my laptop and was able to pull a file from yesterday's ride out of it, which I was able to recover and upload to strava.
I've filed a support ticket with wahoo. Random crashes are annoying, full on factory reset with unrecoverable* ride data is more of a problem. I hope they can fix this, I'd like to be able to use zoom...
J
* without a laptop and some complex fettling
-
It appears that Mike Broadwith had some problems yesterday with a crashing Bolt during his Edinburgh London Record ride. Certainly something to do with navigation and timing devices almost cost him the record.
-
I got one of the V2 Bolts earlier in the year but kept the V1 as backup for taking on long rides so I can just swap over if the need arises. Not had to use it yet and that includes a few 15h+ days with the V2 being powered by USB battery pack.
Apparently the V2 also suffers from USB C charging issues but again not had a problem personally.
-
Mine, my partners' and a mates Bolt V1's have all seemingly given up the ghost within a week of each other after years of happy use.
Different issues:
Mine - It won't switch off. It says it has, but when you press the power button it's immediately on. No 20s boot-up. So I don't think it is actually switching off. Obviously, this means it's flat when i come to use it unless i level it plugged in all the time.
Partner - Her's has had a regular problem of crashing when over ~120km into a ride. Now seems to have a similar but different power off issue. The screen is permanently on.
Mate - 'Page' button non functional.
Hovering over a new V2, but I'm left thinking it's mighty convenient for Wahoo's cashflow to have their legacy products all fail at the same time.... In built obsolescence or have they nuked mine with a firmware update?? ::-)
-
I have seen similar issues with my 2 Bolts, and all others I know with an Elemnt or Bolt have had at least one of the issues also. Started happening perhaps 2 months ago, which suggests it is a software rather than a hardware issue. Given the frequency of updates, I surmise it is a problem that is receiving attention, but not yet resolved.
For the power off issue, if you press the power off button and the bottom right button together, and hold down for a few seconds, the device will power off properly. I do this when it hasn't shut down, and the screen is still on, albeit with nothing displayed.
For the crashing, thankfully every time that has happened I have been able to recover the ride, reload the route, and continue the ride without any issues. I rode a 220km yesterday without the crash, so possibly it has been resolved, or I was lucky.
On a 400km ride, both my Bolt and that of a riding partner crashed within a couple of kilometres of each other. Both recovered fine.
-
Yeah, i've had it crash a handful of times over the years and all data was recoverable.
Anyway, I have a V2 in my hands now. So shiny! I don't feel too aggrieved about the V1, I feel i got more than my monies worth. The battery is down to ~6-7hrs when in navigation mode, the buttons are falling off, the charging port door has perished. It's had a hard life and served me well.
-
I had a slightly annoying issue with my Bolt v2 today. I was riding a route created on RWGPS, a loop. At around the half way point, the actual route goes off road into a park. I elected to stay on the road, intending to go around the park to the next entrance. As expected, the device rerouted me along the road outside the park. At this point the distance remaining was roughly as expected for the half way point of the ride. When I looked at the Bolt again, the dist remaining had changed to 1 - 2 km (same as distance to next cue) and it became clear the route had been aborted. I then had to create a route back.
I have change in distance remaining before twice - but on both occasions I was in deep lanes in the Surrey Hills and I think the device lost its bearings. On these occasions, as I rode on, the distance remaining corrected itself and I was able to continue the planned route to the end.
Today was different - ride ended early after deliberately veering (slightly) off route for a couple of km. Has anyone any insights into what is going on there?
-
Sounds like you have auto rerouting switched on. I would switch that off if you are following a route prepared beforehand. Then if you go off route you generally know roughly how to pick up the route again.
-
On my Roam I spotted that the 'distance to finish' display flips to 'distance to getting back on route' when I deviate off the route, but I've not had it bail out of the route completely.
-
On my Roam I spotted that the 'distance to finish' display flips to 'distance to getting back on route' when I deviate off the route, but I've not had it bail out of the route completely.
Maybe that is all that was happening. Perhaps even when I headed back towards the route, I simply didn’t go far enough to actually rejoin it, although I thought I had. Hence the “dist remaining” approached zero and if I had actually carried on a bit longer along the re-route, it would have flipped back to the full route.
Thanks! That makes me feel (1) stupid and (2) relieved that my Bolt and routes are probably perfectly OK.
Sounds like you have auto rerouting switched on. I would switch that off if you are following a route prepared beforehand. Then if you go off route you generally know roughly how to pick up the route again.
I find it handy for built up areas that are new to me, when I would quickly lose track of how to get back on route.