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Title: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 February, 2021, 08:11:36 am
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/12/dramatic-discovery-links-stonehenge-to-its-original-site-in-wales?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It seems that it isn’t just the Bluestones that come from Pembrokeshire, but the whole edifice was removed and rebuilt.

Fascinating stuff.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Giraffe on 12 February, 2021, 09:07:49 am
Now Wales will want Stonehenge returned - makes Elgin an easy job. "Rhowch nhw yn ôl yn union fel y daethoch o hyd iddynt, os gwelwch yn dda"
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: T42 on 12 February, 2021, 09:09:02 am
Pembrokeshire was Irish, though, so that's OK.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: rogerzilla on 12 February, 2021, 09:30:28 am
Bloody travellers!
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 12 February, 2021, 09:32:39 am
Makes you wonder why. The Geoffrey of Monmouth Giants' Dance legend makes it sound like some sort of spoils of war; as if, say, the Prussians had dismantled the Arc de Triomphe in 1870 and transported it to Berlin (except that would have been relatively easy in comparison). I'm sure similar things have been done in modern times but I can't think of any details right now.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 February, 2021, 09:51:43 am
Makes you wonder why. The Geoffrey of Monmouth Giants' Dance legend makes it sound like some sort of spoils of war; as if, say, the Prussians had dismantled the Arc de Triomphe in 1870 and transported it to Berlin (except that would have been relatively easy in comparison). I'm sure similar things have been done in modern times but I can't think of any details right now.

Abu Simbel?  Ancient Egyptian wossname dismantled and moved to higher ground to avoid submersion under Lake Nasser.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Pingu on 12 February, 2021, 09:52:34 am
Now Wales will want Stonehenge returned - makes Elgin an easy job. "Rhowch nhw yn ôl yn union fel y daethoch o hyd iddynt, os gwelwch yn dda"

I suspect a few citizens of Moray would be happy with a relocation to the warmer climes of Greece.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 12 February, 2021, 09:53:57 am
Makes you wonder why. The Geoffrey of Monmouth Giants' Dance legend makes it sound like some sort of spoils of war; as if, say, the Prussians had dismantled the Arc de Triomphe in 1870 and transported it to Berlin (except that would have been relatively easy in comparison). I'm sure similar things have been done in modern times but I can't think of any details right now.

Abu Simbel?  Ancient Egyptian wossname dismantled and moved to higher ground to avoid submersion under Lake Nasser.
Yep, that's a good example of moving a massive monument. I was thinking of ones specifically captured as spoils of war.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: benborp on 12 February, 2021, 09:58:16 am
Any Egyptian needle anywhere other than Egypt? And even then...
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: ElyDave on 12 February, 2021, 10:02:12 am
Makes you wonder why. The Geoffrey of Monmouth Giants' Dance legend makes it sound like some sort of spoils of war; as if, say, the Prussians had dismantled the Arc de Triomphe in 1870 and transported it to Berlin (except that would have been relatively easy in comparison). I'm sure similar things have been done in modern times but I can't think of any details right now.

Abu Simbel?  Ancient Egyptian wossname dismantled and moved to higher ground to avoid submersion under Lake Nasser.
Yep, that's a good example of moving a massive monument. I was thinking of ones specifically captured as spoils of war.

London Bridge, captured by the Americans as part of a culture and economic war
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 February, 2021, 10:28:33 am
There's a BBC 2 programme about it this evening at 9pm. I shall break a habit and watch television!

That will actually give me a double heping of Professor Alice Roberts this evening as I've bought a ticket to a British Humanist Association Zoom lecture about the Science of Morality, and Prof Alice is in the chair. That's at 7pm.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Polar Bear on 12 February, 2021, 10:46:53 am
... I've bought a ticket to a British Humanist Association Zoom lecture about the Science of Morality, and Prof Alice is in the chair. That's at 7pm.


Do you have a link for that please Wow.  I'd be interested.  I can of course catch up with her tv slot on iPlayer at another time.  We ZoomPub with friends on Friday evenings.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Peter on 12 February, 2021, 10:47:31 am
ah!  Thought for a moment George North had visited Swindon.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 February, 2021, 04:30:31 pm
... I've bought a ticket to a British Humanist Association Zoom lecture about the Science of Morality, and Prof Alice is in the chair. That's at 7pm.


Do you have a link for that please Wow.  I'd be interested.  I can of course catch up with her tv slot on iPlayer at another time.  We ZoomPub with friends on Friday evenings.

https://humanism.org.uk/events/our-events/?gclid=CjwKCAiA65iBBhB-EiwAW253WwmXhSnS8HD5vcBjg5pJdK5lDNFnpAlchhvYnwMTGrvJKDOpdKuPwRoCxb4QAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 February, 2021, 06:37:16 pm
Makes you wonder why. The Geoffrey of Monmouth Giants' Dance legend makes it sound like some sort of spoils of war; as if, say, the Prussians had dismantled the Arc de Triomphe in 1870 and transported it to Berlin (except that would have been relatively easy in comparison). I'm sure similar things have been done in modern times but I can't think of any details right now.

Abu Simbel?  Ancient Egyptian wossname dismantled and moved to higher ground to avoid submersion under Lake Nasser.
Yep, that's a good example of moving a massive monument. I was thinking of ones specifically captured as spoils of war.

London Bridge, captured by the Americans as part of a culture and economic war

They only bought the outer cladding, though, and stuck it round a newly-molished concrete core in Lake Haversack City.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 February, 2021, 10:12:29 pm
I just watched the Stonehenge programme on iPlayer. I don't think I've ever seen so many professors on one programme before.

Do we have a collective noun for professors?
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: orienteer on 14 February, 2021, 10:24:37 pm
An admission of professors
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Canardly on 14 February, 2021, 10:26:01 pm
I profess I don't know.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 February, 2021, 10:50:39 pm
A google suggests a pomposity of professors.

In other educational circles, that is not to be confused with a Swelling of Heads.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: SteveC on 15 February, 2021, 07:36:58 am
A few years ago, MrsC and I went to a weekend about Stonehenge at a local adult education centre.
There was a pomposity present, including Mike Parker Pearson.
The custom of that centre is for the Friday night session to be slightly off-topic or at least less serious, so they'd got the assistant county archeologist in to do a talk on some rescue archeology schemes. Poor chap looked terrified lecturing to that lot.

(Also there, but not a professor, was Julian Richards from Meet the Ancestors--amongst other things. We ended up having tea and cake with him and he seems to be a really nice chap).
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Moleman76 on 16 February, 2021, 09:22:28 am
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London Bridge, captured by the Americans as part of a culture and economic war
They only bought the outer cladding, though, and stuck it round a newly-molished concrete core in Lake Haversack City.

As I understand, they thought they were buying the Tower Bridge.  That might explain why they only put the outside on the Arizona structure.
But, someone got enough stone crumbs that they could put a few into a liquid-filled cap on souvenir-shop ballpoint pens and sell them as curios.  I was given one such many decades ago.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 February, 2021, 02:21:23 pm
The outfit who bought it strenuously deny that they thought they were getting Tower Bridge.  If it had been Donald Trump at the head of the operation I could believe it, but Robert McCulloch does actually appear to have been a successful businessman, making chainsaws and similar.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Kim on 17 February, 2021, 12:30:50 pm
I just watched the Stonehenge programme on iPlayer. I don't think I've ever seen so many professors on one programme before.

Do we have a collective noun for professors?

Absence.  They're always off giving guest lectures or visiting research groups or being interviewed for TV programmes or whatever.
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Flite on 17 February, 2021, 12:58:08 pm
By coincidence, we are watching repeats of "The Secrets of Orkney" from 2017? on BBC4. Neil Oliver presenting.
They were delighted to date massive Neolithic building projects at 3,300 BC, and proposed that the idea had spread from Orkney throughout the British Isles.
Now back to 3,500BC in Wales....
Fascinating stuff.

PS if you do watch "The Secrets of Orkney", it does suffer from an excess of media personalities and an surplus "adventurer".

PPS Have just said to husband "only on Yacf would you get a title like that..."
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: meddyg on 17 February, 2021, 06:29:26 pm
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Absence.  They're always off giving guest lectures or visiting research groups or being interviewed for TV programmes or whatever

"But tell me Professor, who does your work when you're away from the Faculty doing field work?"

Professor Branestawm "Why, the same people who do my work when I am in the Faculty."
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: fuzzy on 18 February, 2021, 08:01:40 pm
I wondered if it was part of the plan.

I should imaging that Stonehenge was a bit of a project in its day and, as the end user, I should imagine the denizens of what became Wiltshire, wanted to make sure they were getting a functional computer/calendar/ precursor to the electronic thumb (I guess they knew where their towel was).

Perhaps the persuaded Bran the Builder to demonstrate it before they paid for it (inclusive of carriage of course)?
Title: Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 February, 2021, 08:55:40 pm
Built-up area… (http://www.iankitching.me.uk/humour/hippo/henge.html).  Warning: contains Flanders & Swann.