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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5300 on: 08 May, 2019, 01:05:47 pm »
Ta, but she spoke of the old copy of the book as being her "crombie".  Had it been a copy of the Times and she lived under a bridge I could understand the vestimentary reference, but I gather she doesn't. Could a crombie also mean a vademecum or a staff to be relied on, like Bradshaw's or the OS 1-inch series?

The OED only mentions the coat.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5301 on: 08 May, 2019, 01:09:36 pm »
You'd have to ask her what she means by the term - it might not correspond to what others mean or understand by it. This is the trouble with slang - people hear words being used and pick them up but without an understanding of what they mean or where they come from to inform their usage.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5302 on: 08 May, 2019, 01:32:18 pm »
Or she could be like me and occasionally make-up words because she thinks they sound like the right sort of word for the intended meaning.

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« Reply #5303 on: 08 May, 2019, 01:50:23 pm »
Indeed. A perfectly cromulent thing to do.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5304 on: 08 May, 2019, 01:53:40 pm »
Ta, but she spoke of the old copy of the book as being her "crombie".  Had it been a copy of the Times and she lived under a bridge I could understand the vestimentary reference, but I gather she doesn't. Could a crombie also mean a vademecum or a staff to be relied on, like Bradshaw's or the OS 1-inch series?

The OED only mentions the coat.

That's all anyone mentions.

You'd have to ask her what she means by the term - it might not correspond to what others mean or understand by it. This is the trouble with slang - people hear words being used and pick them up but without an understanding of what they mean or where they come from to inform their usage.

Missus did. Helpful reply was: "everyone uses it".

Or she could be like me and occasionally make-up words because she thinks they sound like the right sort of word for the intended meaning.

I just can't crombie some people.  I'm going to crombie over to the workshop & make some dust crombie.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5305 on: 08 May, 2019, 01:55:12 pm »
Apple crombie, now, that'd be something else.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5306 on: 08 May, 2019, 01:57:39 pm »
Is the cromby issue distressing you?
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Taking an integrative approach to the psychology of mental health, the authors draw from a wealth of experience, examples and approaches to present this student-friendly and engaging text. This is core reading for anyone serious about understanding mental health issues and is suitable for undergraduate students taking introductory courses in psychology and abnormal psychology.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5307 on: 08 May, 2019, 02:00:18 pm »
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Crombie: Friend of missus's used it to refer to an old copy of a book, and when queried replied "but everyone uses it" without elaborating. The only crombie I know of takes a capital and is a coat.  Can someone please explain?

A synonym for hesh.  ;)

I believe it comes from Abercrombie & Fitch - a clothing brand that is popular among today's youth.

'Hesh', as any fule kno, is an acronym for "High explosive squash head", wot is a type of ammunition used in anti-tank weapons. Firing old books at armour-plated mechanical behemoths is rarely a sound tactic.  Even Dickens is no match for a T-72.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5308 on: 08 May, 2019, 02:30:54 pm »
No, it's an alternative form of jute.  :D
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THE TERM “HESH” AND THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST seem to go hand-in-hand. But what does hesh mean? It’s not easily defined, and there’s certainly lots of room for interpretation. Most would agree it’s derived from the word “Hessian,”
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« Reply #5309 on: 08 May, 2019, 03:26:02 pm »
And there was me thinking that it was marijuana smoked by aristos.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5310 on: 08 May, 2019, 04:59:06 pm »
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Crombie: Friend of missus's used it to refer to an old copy of a book, and when queried replied "but everyone uses it" without elaborating. The only crombie I know of takes a capital and is a coat.  Can someone please explain?

A synonym for hesh.  ;)

I believe it comes from Abercrombie & Fitch - a clothing brand that is popular among today's youth.

'Hesh', as any fule kno, is an acronym for "High explosive squash head", wot is a type of ammunition used in anti-tank weapons. Firing old books at armour-plated mechanical behemoths is rarely a sound tactic.  Even Dickens is no match for a T-42.

FTFY.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5311 on: 25 May, 2019, 04:49:44 pm »
People using us when it should be we. Nobody (well, no competent speakers of Englísh, that is) would say "what us have to do is..." but they would happily say "what us cyclists have to do is...".  Do they think we... sounds Tory, or what? Inverted grammatical snobbery?

It's utterly wrong.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5312 on: 02 June, 2019, 06:21:18 pm »
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Use lower case for East, west, south and north unless they form part of a proper name:
North Korea, South Africa, but northeast India.
From a style guide.  :facepalm:
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« Reply #5313 on: 11 June, 2019, 08:16:16 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-48602172/driver-films-people-crawling-out-of-manhole-cover-in-border-town

Look, it's not complicated:  A manhole is a void underneath the ground to allow people to access buried utilities, etc.  A manhole cover is the bloody great solid thing that goes on top to cover it up...

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5314 on: 12 June, 2019, 08:02:21 am »
Strange-ish: the URL contains 'cover' but the page it lands on doesn't.  Someone at the Beeb has been doing some backing & filling.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5315 on: 12 June, 2019, 04:09:45 pm »
Strange-ish: the URL contains 'cover' but the page it lands on doesn't.  Someone at the Beeb has been doing some backing & filling.
Yeah, the text on the page has been edited. The captions in the video itself were always fine.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5316 on: 13 June, 2019, 03:17:21 pm »
Discussing the registration of "illegible refugees" to receive benefits.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5317 on: 19 June, 2019, 02:49:38 pm »
"Shop" as in "Shop $newshinything" when what is meant is "Shop FOR $newshinything." Or even "Buy $newshinything."  It's a useage that's becoming more common, especially on websites.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5318 on: 19 June, 2019, 04:12:59 pm »
Same thing happened to search.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5319 on: 20 June, 2019, 05:34:24 pm »
From Fowler's entry on portmanteau:
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Pakistan is a mixture of a portmanteau word and an acronym: it is said to be compounded of elements from Punjab, Afghan Frontier, Kashmir, Sind and Baluchistan.
The spurious backronym is clearly neither a recent phenomenon nor restricted to urban myth and bad journalism. The origin of Pakistan is the word pak meaning pure, clean, in both physical and spiritual senses, as in Pak Butchers. Pakistan is the Land of the Pure.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5320 on: 20 June, 2019, 08:58:04 pm »
"This train is heavily commuterised until..."

There was me thinking that I was using the train, but instead I seems to be one of the bullying crowd commuterisng the poor thing until we got off...

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5321 on: 26 June, 2019, 11:36:26 am »
"they have embraced the opportunity to create their own special brand of uniqueness"
No everyday uniqueness here.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5322 on: 10 July, 2019, 08:16:18 pm »
A Korean woman is being interviewed in English. She works in Geneva and although her English is pretty decent, she's clearly more used to using French in daily life. "I think it happened end of two-thousand-dix-sept or 'dix-huit." And the way it comes off her tongue, she doesn't even realize she's moved from one not-Korean to another.  :)
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5323 on: 10 July, 2019, 09:27:37 pm »
I don't get why that should make you cringe, a non-English speaking native, speaking in two languages for our delight. 

My wife occaisionally throws Hindi and Punjabi words into sentences at random just because she's thinking in both
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5324 on: 11 July, 2019, 11:56:59 am »
It doesn't make me cringe at all. (In fact, very little in this thread does.) It makes me  :)
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