Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Freewheeling => Racing => Topic started by: lord hereford on 02 July, 2011, 03:30:09 pm
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Oh bless them, you've got to love the pair of them.
It's the first day and we've already had the history of about 11 Chateaux and I've heard 'Hushovd, the God of Thunder' at least twice in the last hour.
I give you, Sherwin - "He's got himself in his own psychological balloon"....
I can't wait for the forthcoming pearls over the next 3 weeks!
Lord H
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Yebbut. they aren't half as irritating as Boardman's self-aggrandising comments either side of the ad breaks. :sick:
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Bring back Duffield, I say!
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I liked Liggett's exclamation when Roy made his bid for glory at the intermediate sprint:
"The King has taken off!"
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Is there an ITV TdF Commentary drinking game?
If there isn't, there should be, though you need two sets of rules with an easier set for the full-stage live coverage, otherwise you'd be blotto by the intermediate sprint... ;D
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Phiggett and Shirley didn't mention Pharmstrong once, not even tangentially. A record.
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Is there an ITV TdF Commentary drinking game?
If there isn't, there should be, though you need two sets of rules with an easier set for the full-stage live coverage, otherwise you'd be blotto by the intermediate sprint... ;D
Must be hell for viewers of Versus :o :P
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Our newly won allegiance to Eurosport continues. I won't be missing the Phil and Paul show.
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Our newly won allegiance to Eurosport continues. I won't be missing the Phil and Paul show.
Can't beat Harmon & Kelly, I did love duffers though, he was great :thumbsup:
(http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/products/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/david-duffield.jpg)
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It's a shame Liggett & Sherwen are so awful but I have to say I find the ITV coverage worth watching for Ned Boulting alone.
Sean Kelly is a superb commentator but the combination of his low voice, heavy accent and the poor sound mix on Eurosport (the background noises are quite intrusive) mean it's sometimes hard to follow what he's saying if you're not concentrating fully.
I like the American woman they sometimes have on Eurosport too. Can't remember her name.
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Yebbut. they aren't half as irritating as Boardman's self-aggrandising comments either side of the ad breaks. :sick:
Jee-zus.
I've often wondered why they have second and third place on the podium
Some people have normal eyelids Chris, they can see the lower places on the podium. There's tarmac underneath and sky above too.
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Yebbut. they aren't half as irritating as Boardman's self-aggrandising comments either side of the ad breaks. :sick:
I loved the one that goes on about the importance of sufferring.... and then goes on to suggest you buy a bike from Halfords! :)
Chris Boardman was interviewed on the Bike Show last week and when asked why he sold his bikes through Halfords, gave the reason as the importance of good customer service. I had to listen to it twice to make sure I hadn't misheard.
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Is that the same Halfords who won't employ qualified mechanics or send their current ones for external training because it's cheaper to pay out for accident claims than train all their staff?
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Did the Schleks and Spartacus transfer over the last fe weeks?
I'm sure I heard Phil talking about a new team- Leo Pard Trek :-\
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Did the Schleks and Spartacus transfer over the last fe weeks?
I'm sure I heard Phil talking about a new team- Leo Pard Trek :-\
;)
They adopt the French pronunciation, it being the Tour de France. It can be very handy, last year they went to Rheims, which is actually pronounced 'Rance'.
Their repeated use of that made listening to Fench traffic reports in English almost intelligible.
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They were saying it en francais on the TourDeCalifornia! So unless it's a french team, there's no excuse.
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They were saying it en francais on the TourDeCalifornia! So unless it's a french team, there's no excuse.
Although if it was a Luxembourgish team, that might also be an excuse.
BBC - Languages (http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/european_languages/languages/luxembourgish.shtml)
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ok then, clever-clogs, a team with a significant french-speaking makeup or title sponsor ;P
What surprises me more is that they passed up the opportunity to dress Cancellara and co as leopards.
Anyway, I am more educated from reading this:
Team LeOpArD-TrEk Guidelines Forces Stupid Naming Uses - Bike Hugger (http://bikehugger.com/post/view/team-leopard-trek-guidelines-f)
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What a bunch of wanky twats! If they were any further up themselves, they would see daylight.
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I like the ITV4 show. Liggett, Sherwin, Boardman and all.
It's a sport where extremely little happens for hours on end so it must be a nightmare to commentate on.
They have no control of the footage either which requires constant ad-libbing as the camera suddenly changes to some East European domestique rider.
I like the aerial shots of castles and villages (because the alternative is usually watching the peloton pedalling).
As for Boardman..he held the World 1 hour record and is therefore a legend.
If it was Piers Morgan making comments about cycling strategy/technique then I'd have a problem.
Eagerly awaiting more stages.
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What a bunch of wanky twats! If they were any further up themselves, they would see daylight.
They probably have a problem with Apple concerning the Leopard name. Maybe they chose it to try to appeal to the Apple fans.
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They adopt the French pronunciation...
Well, they attempt to adopt something vaguely resembling a French pronunciation, but with varying degrees of success.
It's rare for Sherwen or Liggett to pronounce a word the same way twice.
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I like the ITV4 show. Liggett, Sherwin, Boardman and all.
It's a sport where extremely little happens for hours on end so it must be a nightmare to commentate on.
They have no control of the footage either which requires constant ad-libbing as the camera suddenly changes to some East European domestique rider.
I like the aerial shots of castles and villages (because the alternative is usually watching the peloton pedalling).
As for Boardman..he held the World 1 hour record and it therefore a legend.
If it was Piers Morgan making comments about cycling strategy/technique then I'd have a problem.
Eagerly awaiting more stages.
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It's a spect-a-cule and I just love it, silliness & all :)
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What a bunch of wanky twats! If they were any further up themselves, they would see daylight.
All standard corporate gubbins. They're no worse in this respect than lots of other names I could mention. Companies are very protective of their brands. Usually to little or no effect.
As a sub editor, the bit that riles me most is the insistence that the name is set in caps. They can fuck off. My style guide overrules their affectations.
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Precisely. There's having a House Style, and then there's being silly.
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I like the American woman they sometimes have on Eurosport too. Can't remember her name.
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That would be Kristy Anderson, Phil's ex. Sean Kelly also calls them Leo-Pard Trek apparently that is the correct pronunciation. I love Big Lig & Sherwy calling liquigas "Leaky Gas" ;D
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Me and Mrs V play Sean Kelly bingo
First typical Kelly phrase that is correctly predicted wins. Try it! Here's some phrases to get started
"Cup of Tea"
"On the Rivet"
"Difficult one"
"Oh La La"
"Cadence"
"In cycling terms.."
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I didn't catch it properly, but this afternoon they said something related to "pushing the envelope", before saying "and these guys are the stamp".
(Or something like that).
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Leopard, sorry - Lay o pard means Lazy Horse in Dutch. The name for a Cheetah (can't remember what it is) literally translates to Hunting Lazy Horse....
That is all....
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I occasionally watch the Tour highlights programme on ITV 4, I think it is rubbish. I am sure that it must be pushing the absolute limits of the time allowed (if there is such a limit) on adverts in an hour long programme.
It seems that at least half the time is devoted to adverts. IMO the commentators are not as good as Eurosport and this is edited highlights so presumably the live edition will be worse.
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I occasionally watch the Tour highlights programme on ITV 4, I think it is rubbish.
Don't watch it then.
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According to yesterday's colemantary, Leo-pard are sponsored by some rich git with no corporate axe to grind and are thus named after the German tank. I can't help wondering whether there is a certain lack of sensitivity in having a team named after a German tank trying to win the Tour de France. Doubly so when the team contains Jens Voigt, who wouldn't need any tanks, artillery or infantry regiments to conquer France.
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Phil is not universally reviled, and some accord him 'legend' status:
Lockerz.com .:. Ned Boulting's Photos - Spot the odd one out. (http://lockerz.com/s/117258216)
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According to yesterday's colemantary, Leo-pard are sponsored by some rich git with no corporate axe to grind and are thus named after the German tank. I can't help wondering whether there is a certain lack of sensitivity in having a team named after a German tank trying to win the Tour de France. Doubly so when the team contains Jens Voigt, who wouldn't need any tanks, artillery or infantry regiments to conquer France.
Love it ;D
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Jens Voigt Facts (http://www.jensvoigtfacts.com/)
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Especially as Jens has his own army. JVA | Jens Voigt's Army (http://teamjva.com/)
Jens, as a son of the DDR would be more at home in a T72 T-72 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-72)
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I occasionally watch the Tour highlights programme on ITV 4, I think it is rubbish.
Don't watch it then.
I think its crap as well, but you dont have any choice if you want to see the race and you dont have eurosport.
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I like the ITV4 show. Liggett, Sherwin, Boardman and all.
It's a sport where extremely little happens for hours on end so it must be a nightmare to commentate on.
They have no control of the footage either which requires constant ad-libbing as the camera suddenly changes to some East European domestique rider.
I like the aerial shots of castles and villages (because the alternative is usually watching the peloton pedalling).
As for Boardman..he held the World 1 hour record and is therefore a legend.
If it was Piers Morgan making comments about cycling strategy/technique then I'd have a problem.
Eagerly awaiting more stages.
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If you dont like the commentary then hit the mute button.
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I like the ITV4 show. Liggett, Sherwin, Boardman and all.
+1 to that, having grown up listening to Phil & Paul back in the good old Channel 4 days.
I must say one of my favourite moments in all that was the Beloki crash and Armstrong's subsequent off-roading. I don't think Paul Sherwin's calmed down yet, even now.
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I like the theme tune :)
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I like the theme tune :)
Tis my ring tone :thumbsup:
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I liked the old theme tune best. For the benefit of anyone who can't remember it, or what Phil Liggett looked like with hair...
YouTube
- 89 Tour de France Highlights intro‏
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQ3NwgbHsI)
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I liked the old theme tune best. For the benefit of anyone who can't remember it, or what Phil Liggett looked like with hair...
YouTube
- 89 Tour de France Highlights intro‏
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQ3NwgbHsI)
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Pete Shelley, reworked this
YouTube
- PETE SHELLEY - Give It To Me - 1984‏
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2QeJglH6ig)
for the original theme. So Kraftwerk were late to the game in mixing the Tour and Electronica.
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Pete Shelley, reworked this
YouTube
- PETE SHELLEY - Give It To Me - 1984‏
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2QeJglH6ig)
for the original theme. So Kraftwerk were late to the game in mixing the Tour and Electronica.
Blimey. I like that. I mean really, really love it. Wow. Thanks!
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Classic lines in this round up of 1986. back then the show was fronted by Nick Owen of Crimewatch fame.
YouTube
- Tour de France 1986 Overview‏
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5iYe8z0WIk&feature=related)
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Don't know if it was the subtitles, but one of them seems to have said. "Cote is French for hill".
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The Boardman adverts are really, really starting to wind us up now. Hope they don't have the same ones running throughout.
It must be difficult to commentate on the live bit, but I really didn't need to be told every couple of minutes that that bridge was built in 1974, or that the Queen Mary 2 had been built on that river. Or that some French boat was made there in the 1930s. Once is interesting. by the third or fourth time it is getting a bit dull.
But we still watch - and I'm lucky that MrsH has got really into it over the last couple of years, so no fighting for the remote :thumbsup:
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Don't know if it was the subtitles, but one of them seems to have said. "Cote is French for hill".
It is, generally used where we'd use bank, as in Côtes du Rhône (English: Slopes or Hills of the Rhône)
Côtes du Rhône AOC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B4tes_du_Rh%C3%B4ne_AOC)
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I like the ITV4 show. Liggett, Sherwin, Boardman and all.
+1 to that, having grown up listening to Phil & Paul back in the good old Channel 4 days.
Another +1 to that (except I could do without Boredman's ads). Those C4 highlight shows were really exciting, and it's good to hear such enthusiasm still from Phil & Paul after all these years.
Stuff they get wrong tends to go over my head as I'm not a properly dedicated and knowledgable fan of the sport (or any sport). It's mainly the spectacle of the whole thing I like, and the countryside, and watching the equipment and techniques the racers use. I am just a simple monkey after all ;)
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Does no-one else record the live or highlights programme and start watching it about 15 minutes later to FF through the ad breaks ?
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Does no-one else record the live or highlights programme and start watching it about 15 minutes later to FF through the ad breaks ?
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I thought everyone would do that.
Silly not to. Isn't this the whole point of digital recorders?
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15 minutes is only about three ad breaks, so you'd soon catch up with live TV.
Not all viewers want to watch it later in the day, and not all have recorders anyway. Freeview is available with TVs and boxes without HDDs.
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15 minutes is only about three ad breaks, so you'd soon catch up with live TV.
Not all viewers want to watch it later in the day, and not all have recorders anyway. Freeview is available with TVs and boxes without HDDs.
... and it's still more annoying, the more adverts there are.
And it's pretty hard to avoid the drip-drip of Halford bike ads.
But apart from the ads, its not a bad programme,
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No, I don't generally mind adverts. What I do mind is the same irritating handful repeated over, and over, and over...
Last year's Halfords ads were much more bearable, even though (AFAIR) there was only one, with the "Boardmans bikes, born on tour" voiceover. Repetitive but not grating.
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It's unbelieveable isn't it?
No, not really. It's a commercial station.
We're just saying that there are rather a lot of adverts and - as was stated upthread - they have been allowed to increase the advertising %age recently. Which is annoying. Actually it's probably the repetition factor that grates most; lots of ad breaks, with each one showing the same product at each end. They should repeat the great ads of yesteryear to keep us old grumps onside. ( Papa? )
I prefer watching sport on BBC where possible. I accept it isn't possible for all sports.
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I miss this bloke, and the high spending era it encapsulated.
YouTube
- Polaris World Old Ad‏
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9OuHQU8hn8)
The chastened MAMILs can now only afford a plastic bike from Halfords and not an apartment in Spain and the shuttle flights on Easy Air. But they still want to for their plastic bike, pay the right price.
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These ads haven't so far quite reached the irritation levels caused by Tyler Farrer and his transition lenses on Eurosport a couple of years ago, or Paulo Bettini and his sodding Sidi cycling shoes before that.
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It would be pretty boring to watch some of it without a bit of chat, and it can't be easy to talk for 4+ hours for 3+ weeks on the same subject. Of course they can't ever bring themselves to mention drugs! They said Cadel only previously won a stage after Vino had one taken off him for "alleged" drug use. It was a bit more than alleged!
But yeah, give em a break, they do a good job, and it's nice for me to have UK commentators (albeit with massive US bias) to listen to here in the US. Which ad wise I am sure is much worse than the ITV complaints.
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The TdF is a giant rolling advert anyway. Team/sponsor names, the circus of advertising vehicles before the racing etc.
At least on TV we see more racing than adverts, unlike watching it in real life.
The Halfords/Boardman bikes wash over me. It's the Skoda adverts where the guy opens the door into a wall that really gets me. Someone has to pay for that!
Re: Upthread, it's Nick Owen of GMTV fame not Nick Ross
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It's the Skoda adverts where the guy opens the door into a wall that really gets me.
I found that sequence remarkably reminiscent of Wouter Weylandt's fatal crash in this year's Giro; what with the wall and the rider down.
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Does no-one else record the live or highlights programme and start watching it about 15 minutes later to FF through the ad breaks ?
Damn right. It's the Humax way, always leave a time buffer before watching a program on a commercial station.
It's what the "jump forward 3 minutes" button is for.
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With itv4 the time buffer needs to be about 2 hours!
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I watched some of theITV4 live coverage today* They came up with some pearlers.
Best 'background' info was about the 1000s of miles covered by some migratory birds. And the rebranding of the channel as the Atlantic Ocean.
Liggett finally cracked and - showing remarkable restraint, I felt - told Sherwen what we've all been thinking:
"Yes that's true, but not everyone can ride in the first 10-25 places, can they?"
(He could also have said - why don't you tell Boonen that, eh Paul? )
*(whilst opening entry forms - so time not completely wasted)
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Me and Mrs V play Sean Kelly bingo
First typical Kelly phrase that is correctly predicted wins. Try it! Here's some phrases to get started
"Cup of Tea"
"On the Rivet"
"Difficult one"
"Oh La La"
"Cadence"
"In cycling terms.."
You forgot the big one - "majorly" ;D
I find Phil and Paul too excitable, and it annoys me that they insist on converting km to miles (presumably because they also commentate for a US channel). Duffield was King, but Harmon and Kelly are quite agreeable, and Carlton Kirby is quite funny in his own strange way.
The ITV4 show is better post-race though.
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I think the background info and supporting segments on ITV 4 are better.
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The chuckle brothers don't seem to be so hyper this year and it is great that ITV4 have daily live coverage. I usually watch on German Eurosport which is still FTA. . The most memorable Liggett comment for me was when he said " between us Paul and I have ridden 7 tours" another case of the older I get the better I was, sorry Phil even in the good old days 3rd cats couldn't ride in the tour. ::-)
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The chuckle brothers don't seem to be so hyper this year and it is great that ITV4 have daily live coverage. I usually watch on German Eurosport which is still FTA. . The most memorable Liggett comment for me was when he said " between us Paul and I have ridden 7 tours" another case of the older I get the better I was, sorry Phil even in the good old days 3rd cats couldn't ride in the tour. ::-)
Inc, how very dare you doubt Lord Phil of Liggett :o
He is spot on with his information. Between them, he and Paul HAVE ridden 7 tours.
Paul Sherwen rode all 7 of them ;D
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An average of 3.5 each.
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That's nothing - me and Lance have won an average of 3.5 each.
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some chateau on todays stage is home to the worlds biggest collection of cat and dog kennels (about 20km from end of race for those that fancy visiting)
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Phil: "Look at the size of her melons Paul!!"
Paul: "I agree, she's certainly got some spectacular ones, and other fruit as well on her stall at the side of the road folks, in case you were wondering what Phil was on about."
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There was a wonderful description of some local cheese that made me larrf the other day.
It all adds to my enjoyment of the show.
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some chateau on todays stage is home to the worlds biggest collection of cat and dog kennels (about 20km from end of race for those that fancy visiting)
It wasn't just kennels, it was something else as well, but I can't remember what. (I was listening to Harmon's description, haven't heard Liggett's wise words yet so maybe he didn't mention the other thing.)
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"Frenchman Thomas Voeckler, from France"
Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.
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Liggett re: the guy who crashed into the fence ' It's impossible for him to be eliminated now, but if he is eliminated I'm sure the referees will bend the rules and allow him to stay in the race'
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Well, I'm awfully glad he cleared that one up for us. ;D
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Liggett just described the peloton's pursuit of the break as "the charging of the light brigade".
C'est magnifique mais c'est pas le commentaire.
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Boardman, every time - 'dee-sent'
Everyone else - 'descent'
:demon:
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Sherwin today: "......he's from Kiev in Russia" ::-)
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oops. Andrij might be round to re-educate with a clue-stick.
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Sherwin today : "taking a peek along the final kilometre, and you can see the wind is teeming down".
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Sherwin told us several times that there have been a lot of instances on today's stage. :facepalm:
THINKS... or was it incidences? ???
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" he's the dutch time trial champion , he is good against the clock as well "
god help us
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He actually said "He's the national time trial champion of Holland......." which is of course incorrect too!
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"1.4km still to climb to the top of the Côte de Puylaurens. It's a 4th category climb, only the first rider gets any points at the top. One to be exact. And it'll be somebody up in the front."
Where else would the first rider be ?
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"Bak is at the front". At least three times. I know I should laugh just because someone is a FOREIGN, but...
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Liggett on Spartacus and climbing: "It's not his best forte."
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"Voeckler has not put a wheel wrong... except when he nearly fell off."
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We have one of these threads every year, and every year the OP manages to mis-spell "Sherwen".
Pot, kettle ;D
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Liggett just described Lourdes as "a Mecca for catholics". :facepalm:
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My favourite quote from 'chasing legends' was Cav describing the risks taken in sprints and descents.. "You know that little voice in the back of your head that tells you that you really shouldn't be doing something? We don't have that.."
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(Liggett, just now) "The sting in the tail is right at the end" ???
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According to Phil, somebody "notched it up a ramp" today. ???
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... they'll be leaving the Pyrenees with a vengeance!
This is a new manner of leaving things, that I shall look out for in the future.
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James recalls (although not very specifically) something in the region of:
"There's the blackboard man - it's a woman this year."
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The riders do seem to be doing a lot of 'climbing the ascent of' and 'descending down' a lot of hills.
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Sherwen, reading a roadside banner: "Bonne anniversaire, Anita, who is 47 years old… and I'm not sure who Anita is, as it happens."
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"If they look up, they can see the ski resort of Sestriere hovering above them."
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PS: " Sky need to realise that EBH is the crown in their jewel".
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Liggett: "To win the Tour de France, you've got to be great at every concept, whether it's time trialling... or riding against the clock"
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I think Sherwen just mispronounced "philosophy" in a spectacular fashion - did anybody else catch it?
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I liked Gary Imlach's comment at the start of the commentary today. Explaining that he and Chris Boardman would be commentating until Phil 'n' Paul picked it up after the ad break, he said something like, "So, meanwhile, if you want to know anything about the chateaux on the route, you'll have to google them." ;D
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Sherwin today described Boasson Hagen as "the crown in the jewel" of Sky Racing ;D
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Sherwin today described Boasson Hagen as "the crown in the jewel" of Sky Racing ;D
This was done 3 posts (and 4 hours) ago - no prizes for 2nd in this thread!
Gary Imlach is pretty good. He has the huge advantage of a lot of time to prepare very few words, so you can't compare him with L&S directly. I liked his comment after Wiggo (?) packed:
He'll be back home taking solace in friends, family and fridge ...
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Its Liggets crap pronunciation that really gets me.
Leekeegas, Eddie Boisen hagen, Tommy Voickler, Layopard trek etc etc. And none of them have any sound basis, he just makes them up! ;D
And whats with shortening everyones names to -------y Eddie, Tommy , Bertie , franky, Andy ;D, They're not footballers!
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Don't forget Johnny!
Heard on the ITV podcast yesterday that he's bought one of the Welcome To Hoogerland T-shirts for himself.
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Its Liggets crap pronunciation that really gets me.
Leekeegas, Eddie Boisen hagen, Tommy Voickler, Layopard trek etc etc. And none of them have any sound basis, he just makes them up! ;D
Isn't "Layopard" how the team management insist it's pronounced, and I bet Liquigas is much the same.
At least we don't have to suffer Phil fawning over "Lawnce" any more, and I've only heard Paul once this year refer to the bunch as the "poolotong". :facepalm:
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"Licky-gas" would be about right. Italian, innit. Phil is slightly off the mark with his "leaky-gas", which just makes it sound like he's talking about his age-related medical complaints.
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Its Liggets crap pronunciation that really gets me.
Leekeegas, Eddie Boisen hagen, Tommy Voickler, Layopard trek etc etc. And none of them have any sound basis, he just makes them up! ;D
And whats with shortening everyones names to -------y Eddie, Tommy , Bertie , franky, Andy ;D, They're not footballers!
Not to mention Jelle Vanenert/vanendert/Vanert.
It's Van Endert. "Of Endert". They'll be referring to Stert Ograddi next, like the French commentators*. Still, at least they called Vanendert "Jelle" (pronounced "Yella") and not "Jelly".
You'd think Sherwen, with his African connections, would know a bit about Dutch pronounciation.
And just don't get me started on the way they say "Saur-Sojasun".
*Or the Aussies who called David Etxebarria "David Extra Barrier".
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"Licky-gas" would be about right. Italian, innit. Phil is slightly off the mark with his "leaky-gas", which just makes it sound like he's talking about his age-related medical complaints.
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Nah Phil's right. "i" in Italian is pronounced "ee".
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Nah Phil's right. "i" in Italian is pronounced "ee".
So it's not pronounced
Eye-tal-yun ?
IGMC ...
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Phil got an English pronunciation wrong when the Tour came to Britain. He said "The Mawl" instead of The Mall.
Not that it bothers me. I always enjoy his and Paul's enthusiasm.
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Nah Phil's right. "i" in Italian is pronounced "ee".
Up to a point... the way Phil says it is more like "eeeeeeee".
Shame we no longer have the "futon" team to enjoy his pronunciation of.
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Not to mention Jelle Vanenert/vanendert/Vanert.
It's Van Endert. "Of Endert". They'll be referring to Stert Ograddi next, like the French commentators*. Still, at least they called Vanendert "Jelle" (pronounced "Yella") and not "Jelly".
You'd think Sherwen, with his African connections, would know a bit about Dutch pronounciation.
And just don't get me started on the way they say "Saur-Sojasun".
*Or the Aussies who called David Etxebarria "David Extra Barrier".
When it's not a road? However, the Italians are fond of putting strade bianchi into the parcours. You can even do a sportive over the strade bianchi, on retro bikes and wearing retro kit, ifyou so wish.
I wonder if they take the trouble to spell strade bianche correctly?
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Not to mention Jelle Vanenert/vanendert/Vanert.
It's Van Endert. "Of Endert". They'll be referring to Stert Ograddi next, like the French commentators*. Still, at least they called Vanendert "Jelle" (pronounced "Yella") and not "Jelly".
You'd think Sherwen, with his African connections, would know a bit about Dutch pronounciation.
And just don't get me started on the way they say "Saur-Sojasun".
*Or the Aussies who called David Etxebarria "David Extra Barrier".
When it's not a road? However, the Italians are fond of putting strade bianchi into the parcours. You can even do a sportive over the strade bianchi, on retro bikes and wearing retro kit, ifyou so wish.
I wonder if they take the trouble to spell strade bianche[/i] correctly?
Ok, I did Afrikaans and Latin at school, and Italian is a language I just can't get on with. Does the name "Salvatore" indicate an advantage here? :)
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"He's staring down the barrel of another 20 points here."
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Ok, I did Afrikaans and Latin at school, and Italian is a language I just can't get on with. Does the name "Salvatore" indicate an advantage here? :)
Not really - I did German, French, Latin and a little Spanish at school (and German at uni). I went through an Italian phase a couple of years ago, enough to know that fem. pl. ending is usually -e (like -ae in Latin).
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Ok, I did Afrikaans and Latin at school, and Italian is a language I just can't get on with. Does the name "Salvatore" indicate an advantage here? :)
Not really - I did German, French, Latin and a little Spanish at school (and German at uni). I went through an Italian phase a couple of years ago, enough to know that fem. pl. ending is usually -e (like -ae in Latin).
And the adjective should agree with the noun, presumably?
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Ok, I did Afrikaans and Latin at school, and Italian is a language I just can't get on with. Does the name "Salvatore" indicate an advantage here? :)
Not really - I did German, French, Latin and a little Spanish at school (and German at uni). I went through an Italian phase a couple of years ago, enough to know that fem. pl. ending is usually -e (like -ae in Latin).
And the adjective should agree with the noun, presumably?
Yup.
Sing Pl
M bianco bianchi
F bianca bianche
[fingers crossed that I haven't made a gaffe]
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"The riders will be taking it straight down the long drop." Today, as they crested the first HC. :D
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Yup.
Sing Pl
M bianco bianchi
F bianca bianche
[fingers crossed that I haven't made a gaffe]
So is this right:
"Win a Ribble Sportive bianco."
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Ok, I did Afrikaans and Latin at school, and Italian is a language I just can't get on with. Does the name "Salvatore" indicate an advantage here? :)
Met a cyclotourist the other week, he'd just been in Italy. Not knowing any Italian, at one point he restorted to:
" Habeus aqua? "
which apparently did the job!
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Ok, I did Afrikaans and Latin at school, and Italian is a language I just can't get on with. Does the name "Salvatore" indicate an advantage here? :)
Not really - I did German, French, Latin and a little Spanish at school (and German at uni). I went through an Italian phase a couple of years ago, enough to know that fem. pl. ending is usually -e (like -ae in Latin).
And the adjective should agree with the noun, presumably?
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Yup.
Sing Pl
M bianco bianchi
F bianca bianche
[fingers crossed that I haven't made a gaffe]
Gosh, where does the "h" in the plural come from? No wonder I can't get on with Italian - it always seems to me to involve too many characters (although so does Dutch, which I can just about read - how on earth does "News" (English) or "Nuus" (Afrikaans) become "Nieeuws"?).
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Ok, I did Afrikaans and Latin at school, and Italian is a language I just can't get on with. Does the name "Salvatore" indicate an advantage here? :)
Not really - I did German, French, Latin and a little Spanish at school (and German at uni). I went through an Italian phase a couple of years ago, enough to know that fem. pl. ending is usually -e (like -ae in Latin).
And the adjective should agree with the noun, presumably?
/
Yup.
Sing Pl
M bianco bianchi
F bianca bianche
[fingers crossed that I haven't made a gaffe]
Gosh, where does the "h" in the plural come from? No wonder I can't get on with Italian - it always seems to me to involve too many characters (although so does Dutch, which I can just about read - how on earth does "News" (English) or "Nuus" (Afrikaans) become "Nieeuws"?).
co + ca are pronounced with a plosive c (as in english cat)
ci + ce would be pronounced with an affricate (as in english chat)
but the h means the c isn't followed by an i or an e, so the plosive is retained
So is this right:
"Win a Ribble Sportive bianco."
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If 'sportive' is masculine, yes. But it's a French word, and feminine, so I would have thought 'sportive blanche' would be better, but I'm sure Ribble's marketing dept know what they are doing.
Habeus aqua?
He wouldn't have got a drop from me unless he knew when to use the accusative (but a bonus bidon-full for the enclitic).
habesne aquam? or desidero aquam
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Met a cyclotourist the other week, he'd just been in Italy. Not knowing any Italian, at one point he restorted to:
" Habeus aqua? "
which apparently did the job!
I recall a story concerning Max Mosley and an Italian racing driver, whose name I forget. Mosley was acting as his race engineer back in the days of March, and spoke no Italian, while the driver spoke no English. You can probably guess the rest.
Currus meus fractus est...
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I studied Italian for a year at Uni and mostly winged it by using the French word but putting an Italian ending on it. Quite an effective tactic on the whole.
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I studied Italian for a year at Uni and mostly winged it by using the French word but putting an Italian ending on it. Quite an effective tactic on the whole.
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Really? Can you give an example of where this tactic would work 'coz I can't think of one?
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Off the top of my head, the verbs mangiare and partire.
Obviously it doesn't work 100% of the time, but it seemed to do me all right.
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Does it even work 10% of the time? ;D
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Possibly not, but I only studied Italian for a year, so I didn't get on to the advanced stuff.
d.
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They adopt the French pronunciation...
Well, they attempt to adopt something vaguely resembling a French pronunciation, but with varying degrees of success.
d.
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the German pronunciation of Leopard? It's as relevant as French.
I suspect the Lëtzebuergeusch pronunciation is fairly similar to German.
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"Suitcase of courage"
"...and that man is a man by the name of Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx"
"Precarious"
Aaaargh! Make it stop!
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Voeckler is giving up the yellow jersey in a cloud of glory
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Not from today's stage, but this one Liggetism had us giggling yesterday:
"the defending champion refuses to go out of the television screen and die gracefully"
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"...as they finish in the shadows of the closing sun here..."
Que?
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Woah, the comments are getting more surreal. Maybe it's because they've been commentating for 3 weeks now.
"When he was a boy, Cadel started looking at horses" ?????
Did he stare a possums and take the odd glance at a wallaby whilst he was at it?
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Paul: "This will be an extremely proud moment for him - and for the island of Man"
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At one point on Stage 19, I think on the climb before Alpe-d'Huez, Cadel Evans was climbing, right between the Schleck brothers, and Phil said "It's a Schleck sandwich - let's hope he doesn't get indigestion". :D
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I've been catching up after a week away.
Liggett on Contador in the Pyrenees when he started struggling.
"And Contador has started yoyo-ing in his his favourite playground"
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Yes, this Schleck sandwich thing. They said it again about Frandy and Cadel today.
There are two Schlecks and one Cadel.
Looking at your average sarnie, there are two slices of bread = 2 Schlecks and a single filling (cheese for arguments sake) = Cadel
So, it's a Cadel sandwich.
A Schleck sandwich would be a bread sandwich, which is clearly silly.
Ok, so the Tour has finished, I am still obsessed and I am obviously suffering from cold turkey -
though not in a sandwich, I may add.
If anyone starts mentioning multiple fillings I will not be responsible for my actions...
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Was Ned Boulting sneakily inserting Paul Simon lyrics today ?
Incidents & accidents, hints & allegations...
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Ok, so the Tour has finished, I am still obsessed and I am obviously suffering from cold turkey
Yep. What am I going to do all afternoon now?
(Actually, go for a ride and then take a poorly wheel to the wheelmeister.)
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and Phil said "It's a Schleck sandwich - let's hope he doesn't get indigestion". :D
I would not be surprised if Steve Coogan admits to subbing for Sherwen for parts of these broadcasts.
[lookup Alan partridge if this makes no sense at all ... ]