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citoyen

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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #25 on: 01 November, 2020, 05:16:39 pm »
Wasn’t there a Guy Chapman on U.K.rec.cycling used to refer to home self as bloke bloke bloke or something similar. ...
Of course I might have dreamed all of this.

You didn’t dream it, but I think it was “Just this Guy, you know” (per Zaphod Beeblebrox).

You remember correctly about his feelings on helmets.
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #26 on: 01 November, 2020, 06:18:05 pm »
I remember a magazine that was called new cyclist. I think it came out before the c+mag  :)
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #27 on: 01 November, 2020, 06:52:13 pm »
Guy seems to be spending most of his time being an admin on Wikinaccurate these days, and may or may not have posted on u.r.c as “Lou Knee” to wind up quarter-witted troll Judith Smith.
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #28 on: 02 November, 2020, 09:44:48 am »
It has no relevance whatsoever to the majority of real-world bicycle users

What would be the point of making a magazine that caters to their tastes if they’re not going to buy it anyway?

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Several of its erstwhile competitors have now gone.

Cycling Active tried to rebrand itself as a mag that catered to “real-world bicycle users”. That’s what finally killed it off.

I think most surviving magazines have hived into reviews of usually overpriced shiny stuff (primarily for men) and reviews of poor relationships (if you have to ask, he's not right for you, there you go, job done) and overpriced face cream primarily for women. There's probably still specialist literature. I'm really not sure who this caters for these days.

I still subscribe to the print version of New Scientist to make sitting on the bog educational, but that's about it.

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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #29 on: 02 November, 2020, 09:52:09 am »
I’m struggling to remember the title of a (road biased, as opposed to MTB centric) cycling mag that was originally  based in Bath (I think) and used to publish a (centre spread?) ride map each month. I used to enjoy that - maybe that was the original C+? 
Cycling Today?
I remember a magazine that was called new cyclist. I think it came out before the c+mag  :)
Wasn't one of these the successor to the other? I think New Cyclist came first but wouldn't swear to it and I don't know if either of them was based in Bath.
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #30 on: 02 November, 2020, 09:54:16 am »
And while talking of "publications" based in Bath, road.cc is based there too. I don't know but suspect some of the staff might have transferred over from C+?
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #31 on: 02 November, 2020, 10:44:58 am »
And while talking of "publications" based in Bath, road.cc is based there too. I don't know but suspect some of the staff might have transferred over from C+?

IIRC, some of road.cc's staff came from C+ via BikeRadar, which is Future's web-based outlet and the current home of what was once the C+ forum that begat ACF, YACF and CycleChat.

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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #32 on: 02 November, 2020, 11:09:40 am »
And while talking of "publications" based in Bath, road.cc is based there too. I don't know but suspect some of the staff might have transferred over from C+?

IIRC, some of road.cc's staff came from C+ via BikeRadar, which is Future's web-based outlet and the current home of what was once the C+ forum that begat ACF, YACF and CycleChat.

That's my recollection too . . .  and isn't GCN in Bath too?

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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #33 on: 02 November, 2020, 02:23:41 pm »
I didn't know that, though it makes sense given who's in the GCN/Eurosport studio for the Breakaway show each day! I'm not sure there's been any cross-fertilisation from C+ or BikeRadar, unless Ollie Bridgewood came that way (he's the only one there who is a genuine journalist, AFAIK).

citoyen

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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #34 on: 02 November, 2020, 02:55:07 pm »
Bikes Etc did give it a good go- sorry it didn't last.

BikesEtc came about because Dennis wanted a stablemate to Cyclist and were foiled in their attempts to buy C+ (this was about the time Future was selling off all its titles because of its financial woes). Instead, C+ went to Immediate*, so Dennis set about creating their own rival title. But for many reasons, BikesEtc was never really viable as a long-term prospect. There's lots more I could say on the subject... but I won't.

Cyclist was a success largely because it pulled off the rare trick of finding a genuine gap in the market. Also in its favour was the fortuitous timing of the launch, just after London 2012 created a wider interest in cycling, and they had Bradley Wiggins on the launch issue cover - all coincidental since it had been in development for over a year before launch. But if you look at Cyclist now, it's a very different beast to when it launched - it has had to evolve to survive, following the market with increasing focus on gravel bikes.


*IIRC, Immediate came into being when the BBC closed down the mags side of its Worldwide commercial division, so they picked up titles like Radio Times, Good Food and Gardening World. Then they added a bunch of Future titles a few years later, including the cycling mags and BikeRadar. Immediate has bases in London and Bristol, so the cycling mags stayed out west.
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #35 on: 02 November, 2020, 07:56:12 pm »
Urban Cyclist was a short-lived mag for fixie-riding hipsters, launched at totally the wrong time.
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #36 on: 02 November, 2020, 10:59:02 pm »
I’m struggling to remember the title of a (road biased, as opposed to MTB centric) cycling mag that was originally  based in Bath (I think) and used to publish a (centre spread?) ride map each month. I used to enjoy that - maybe that was the original C+? 
Cycling Today?
I remember a magazine that was called new cyclist. I think it came out before the c+mag  :)
Wasn't one of these the successor to the other? I think New Cyclist came first but wouldn't swear to it and I don't know if either of them was based in Bath.
Possibly. I probably have some copies of both, somewhere, if you’re not in a hurry for the answer. Which, frankly, would spoil a perfectly good discussion.
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #37 on: 02 November, 2020, 11:01:52 pm »
New Cyclist was first.
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #38 on: 02 November, 2020, 11:07:34 pm »
Bikes Etc did give it a good go- sorry it didn't last.

BikesEtc came about because Dennis wanted a stablemate to Cyclist and were foiled in their attempts to buy C+ (this was about the time Future was selling off all its titles because of its financial woes). Instead, C+ went to Immediate*, so Dennis set about creating their own rival title. But for many reasons, BikesEtc was never really viable as a long-term prospect. There's lots more I could say on the subject... but I won't.

Cyclist was a success largely because it pulled off the rare trick of finding a genuine gap in the market. Also in its favour was the fortuitous timing of the launch, just after London 2012 created a wider interest in cycling, and they had Bradley Wiggins on the launch issue cover - all coincidental since it had been in development for over a year before launch. But if you look at Cyclist now, it's a very different beast to when it launched - it has had to evolve to survive, following the market with increasing focus on gravel bikes.


*IIRC, Immediate came into being when the BBC closed down the mags side of its Worldwide commercial division, so they picked up titles like Radio Times, Good Food and Gardening World. Then they added a bunch of Future titles a few years later, including the cycling mags and BikeRadar. Immediate has bases in London and Bristol, so the cycling mags stayed out west.

I've been a Cyclist subscriber since Day 1. Yes, it's a bit aspirational - it does like to test very expensive bikes - but it's not generally trying to pretend that its readership are all wannabe road racing cyclists. It does very well illustrated articles about rides most of us would love to do, if we had the time/money/fitness, and succeeds in not making us feel inadequate if we can't. It looks at the science of fitness without either turning us off completely, or insulting us for not being racing whippets. It doesn't turn its nose up at factions of cycling that aren't necessarily all about billiard-table smooth roads and an ability to maintain a 40kph average. I like it, and I find enough in each issue to keep me happy for the four weeks between issues.

Bikes Etc started off as an 'everyman's cycling mag' - not too far from the CTC's house mag - but fairly quickly became Men's Health on wheels. There's enough of that in the Comic and C+.

Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #39 on: 03 November, 2020, 12:22:03 am »
New Cyclist preceded Cycling Today and Cycling Plus. I've a feeling one or the other was resurrected from its remains. Anyhow, it was originally independently published in the early 90s by Jim McGurn (cycling historian) and pals who went on to publish Encycleopedia(?) and form the Company of Cyclists (advocacy and alternative bikes promotion), IIRC (unlikely). I feel old.

citoyen

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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #40 on: 03 November, 2020, 10:24:40 am »
Bikes Etc started off as an 'everyman's cycling mag' - not too far from the CTC's house mag - but fairly quickly became Men's Health on wheels. There's enough of that in the Comic and C+.

As someone who was involved with the launch of BikesEtc, I would take issue with the first part of that description - the intention was to be a more technical kit-focused version of Cyclist, so a bit more aspirational than the CTC mag. Unfortunately, we never had the resources to do that effectively. And there were other problems that are best not aired in this forum.

As for morphing into "Men's Health on wheels"... were you eavesdropping on our planning meetings?  ;)

BikesEtc was always meant to be a direct rival to C+, Cycling Weekly and Cycling Active. But as you say, there was already enough of that on the market, and the market couldn't sustain more of the same.
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #41 on: 03 November, 2020, 10:59:23 am »
As a slight aside - whilst trawling through a load of files on my PC to see what I could delete* I stumbled across 3 pdf files of a magazine called The Ride   theridejournal.com   from 2012.

The content of the .pdfs runs to around 300 pages of a variety of articles across the 3 issues I have - some very interesting stuff.

Does anyone recollect the mag or what happened to it? - the website is live but dated 2105.  Philip Diprose was the editor - a bit of Googling suggests that at least 8 issues of the mag were produced.

... if there aren't copyright issues I would be happy to load the 3 issues I have to my web-space to download (files are about 35Mb each) if anyone is interested.


* Dilbert fans will recollect his advice to the pointy-haired boss was to delete files so his laptop weighed less  ;D

Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #42 on: 03 November, 2020, 11:01:58 am »
Bikes Etc started off as an 'everyman's cycling mag' - not too far from the CTC's house mag - but fairly quickly became Men's Health on wheels. There's enough of that in the Comic and C+.

As someone who was involved with the launch of BikesEtc, I would take issue with the first part of that description - the intention was to be a more technical kit-focused version of Cyclist, so a bit more aspirational than the CTC mag. Unfortunately, we never had the resources to do that effectively. And there were other problems that are best not aired in this forum.

As for morphing into "Men's Health on wheels"... were you eavesdropping on our planning meetings?  ;)

Black and white cover photos of riders with absolutely ripped physiques and article titles like "Revealed! The one sex pedalling secret tip that your partner tandem captain will love!", then?  ;D :demon: ;D
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #43 on: 03 November, 2020, 11:07:52 am »
Bikes Etc started off as an 'everyman's cycling mag' - not too far from the CTC's house mag - but fairly quickly became Men's Health on wheels. There's enough of that in the Comic and C+.

As someone who was involved with the launch of BikesEtc, I would take issue with the first part of that description - the intention was to be a more technical kit-focused version of Cyclist, so a bit more aspirational than the CTC mag. Unfortunately, we never had the resources to do that effectively. And there were other problems that are best not aired in this forum.

As for morphing into "Men's Health on wheels"... were you eavesdropping on our planning meetings?  ;)

BikesEtc was always meant to be a direct rival to C+, Cycling Weekly and Cycling Active. But as you say, there was already enough of that on the market, and the market couldn't sustain more of the same.

Ah well, the impression I got at the start of BikesEtc was obviously not quite what you intended! Whether others shared that impression, I can't say. I did subscribe for a while, but the transition to ever more fitness stuff turned me off and I ceased subscribing a few months before it died. I think Spesh might have been closer to the planning meetings than I was!!

citoyen

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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #44 on: 03 November, 2020, 11:19:05 am »
Ah well, the impression I got at the start of BikesEtc was obviously not quite what you intended! Whether others shared that impression, I can't say.

Well, I can't dispute your perception - and we were under no illusions about what we actually achieved with the mag...

If you lasted until a few months before the end, you did better than me. Or indeed most of my colleagues. There were no actual cyclists on the staff by the time it closed (all the cycling stuff was done by a few regular freelance contributors).
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #45 on: 03 November, 2020, 11:24:13 am »
As a slight aside - whilst trawling through a load of files on my PC to see what I could delete* I stumbled across 3 pdf files of a magazine called The Ride   theridejournal.com   from 2012.

The content of the .pdfs runs to around 300 pages of a variety of articles across the 3 issues I have - some very interesting stuff.

Does anyone recollect the mag or what happened to it? - the website is live but dated 2105.  Philip Diprose was the editor - a bit of Googling suggests that at least 8 issues of the mag were produced.

... if there aren't copyright issues I would be happy to load the 3 issues I have to my web-space to download (files are about 35Mb each) if anyone is interested.


* Dilbert fans will recollect his advice to the pointy-haired boss was to delete files so his laptop weighed less  ;D
I have one (paper) copy. I'd totally forgotten about it but seems interesting from a quick glance, and nothing at all like C+, Bikes Etc, Cyclist or even New Cyclist.

Another one I'll mention, also defunct, is Boneshaker.
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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #46 on: 03 November, 2020, 11:27:29 am »
Ah well, the impression I got at the start of BikesEtc was obviously not quite what you intended! Whether others shared that impression, I can't say.

Well, I can't dispute your perception - and we were under no illusions about what we actually achieved with the mag...

If you lasted until a few months before the end, you did better than me. Or indeed most of my colleagues. There were no actual cyclists on the staff by the time it closed (all the cycling stuff was done by a few regular freelance contributors).


Don't get me wrong - I liked it at the start. I enjoyed the practical advice and the emphasis on basically ordinary cyclists, and I was enough of a narcissist to tolerate the increasing amount of fitness stuff. I cancelled my subscription late enough that I did actually receive the very last issue. IIRC, there were strong rumours that it was closing before that issue went out. I'm kind of not surprised that there were no cyclists on the staff when it ended.

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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #47 on: 03 November, 2020, 11:30:41 am »
As a slight aside - whilst trawling through a load of files on my PC to see what I could delete* I stumbled across 3 pdf files of a magazine called The Ride   theridejournal.com   from 2012.

The content of the .pdfs runs to around 300 pages of a variety of articles across the 3 issues I have - some very interesting stuff.

Does anyone recollect the mag or what happened to it? - the website is live but dated 2105.  Philip Diprose was the editor - a bit of Googling suggests that at least 8 issues of the mag were produced.

... if there aren't copyright issues I would be happy to load the 3 issues I have to my web-space to download (files are about 35Mb each) if anyone is interested.


* Dilbert fans will recollect his advice to the pointy-haired boss was to delete files so his laptop weighed less  ;D
I have one (paper) copy. I'd totally forgotten about it but seems interesting from a quick glance, and nothing at all like C+, Bikes Etc, Cyclist or even New Cyclist.

Another one I'll mention, also defunct, is Boneshaker.

The Ride Journal had some interesting articles, but it was right up its own fundament. With bells on! It was a product of the same hubris that infected Rapha and everything it touched. It saw itself as embodying cycling as High Art.

citoyen

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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #48 on: 03 November, 2020, 11:39:43 am »
I'm kind of not surprised that there were no cyclists on the staff when it ended.

To be fair, being an editor of a magazine is a very different skill to being a cyclist.

You might be surprised to learn that the original editor of BikesEtc was an actual alumnus of Men's Health (might have been features editor there, I can't remember).

And the editor of Cyclist (who has been there since launch) was formerly editor of both Maxim and Men's Fitness, not from a cycling background at all (he brought the magazine editing experience while the deputy editor brought the technical cycling knowledge).
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TimC

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Re: Cycling Plus magazine
« Reply #49 on: 03 November, 2020, 11:47:42 am »
No, I'm not surprised. I totally get that most cyclists are probably not equipped to produce a magazine - though some will be. And no doubt some of the professional journalists roped in found that they liked cycling and became converts. But once a magazine becomes simply a commissioning organisation run by people who don't understand (or possibly even care about) their audience, it's on dodgy ground.

Edit: I was the editor of an in-house motor sports magazine ('Flywheel') for the RAF Motor Sports Association for several years, so I do have some insight into the process.