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General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Always Cross on January 09, 2021, 07:39:14 pm

Title: LEL 2021
Post by: Always Cross on January 09, 2021, 07:39:14 pm
If LEL is going to go ahead in 2022 do you think the next one would be 2025 or 2026?
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 09, 2021, 11:42:40 pm
Almost certainly
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Geriatricdolan on January 10, 2021, 11:56:25 am
Like many other things, it will depend on vaccine efficacy and distribution.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Karla on January 10, 2021, 12:43:44 pm
Read the question GD.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: LMT on January 11, 2021, 09:03:27 am
2025
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Geriatricdolan on January 11, 2021, 09:20:30 am
Read the question GD.

yes, noted. It will still depend upon vaccine efficacy, we all assume 2022 will be different, but there is no guarantee that will be the case. It might well be that LEL won't go ahead until who knows when.
It's not just what happens in the UK, but worldwide, this is an event which attracts riders from all over the world.
Bear in mind, the very nature of LEL makes it the ideal "super spreader", with riders sharing sleeping arrangements, toilets etc...
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: MikeFromLFE on January 11, 2021, 09:33:21 am
The question also needs to be directed at the potential volunteer pool.

There may be a significant number of previous volunteers who will be unable to help the following time around (age, illness other) , and there may be some unwilling to expose themselves to what they perceive as a health risk.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Geriatricdolan on January 11, 2021, 09:38:01 am
The question also needs to be directed at the potential volunteer pool.

There may be a significant number of previous volunteers who will be unable to help the following time around (age, illness other) , and there may be some unwilling to expose themselves to what they perceive as a health risk.

True, I am due to help, but that was based on 2021 and I am not sure I will in 2022, it depends on so many factors. The problem is that everything is so volatile, that I don't feel like committing into anything right now.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: bairn again on January 11, 2021, 09:56:07 am
The current organising team have taken the event to an exceptionally high standard, which is no doubt a significant undertaking.   

There will come a point when the key folk involved wont want to do it any more at which point there is no guarantee that there will be people willing to step into their shoes.   

If I were keen on riding LEL Id be doing everything to ride the one that's planned in 2022 and assume nothing about the LEL-after-next.     

More generally, and very sadly, big cycling events with international fields (LEL, PBP and to a lesser extent Sem Fed) in their pre pandemic guises may be last to return post pandemic, if at all. 

 
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: alwyn on January 11, 2021, 08:00:44 pm
If LEL is going to go ahead in 2022 do you think the next one would be 2025 or 2026?

2025
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: LateStarter on January 11, 2021, 09:41:21 pm
The current organising team have taken the event to an exceptionally high standard, which is no doubt a significant undertaking.   

There will come a point when the key folk involved wont want to do it any more at which point there is no guarantee that there will be people willing to step into their shoes.   

If I were keen on riding LEL Id be doing everything to ride the one that's planned in 2022 and assume nothing about the LEL-after-next.     

More generally, and very sadly, big cycling events with international fields (LEL, PBP and to a lesser extent Sem Fed) in their pre pandemic guises may be last to return post pandemic, if at all.

This happened with the Australian Audax Alpine Classic, after 30+ years the main organisers couldn't be replaced, the event was passed on to a commercial organiser but was cancelled last year due to bush fires and COVID this has it in doubt, at least the numbers are going to be well down, always too much hills for me.

My main worry is PBP 2023, I guess ACP serious planning should be starting soon, mine has already
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Always Cross on January 12, 2021, 07:52:26 am
Ok thanks alwyn may volunteer in 2022 and dream of riding in 2025.  2026 would have been better for me it would of been a retirement present to myself. 
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: mzjo on January 14, 2021, 12:12:18 am
Ok thanks alwyn may volunteer in 2022 and dream of riding in 2025.  2026 would have been better for me it would of been a retirement present to myself.

I'm up for volunteering in 2022 and nothing to do with retirement (which should come this year) or riding it later. I just want to (completely selfish I know)
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: The Family Cyclist on January 18, 2021, 09:20:10 pm
I'm still likely to volunteer again. Do have two forms of earnt entry LEL 2017 and WCW er 2019 I think but have not the time or quite frankly the inclination to put in the effort to get close to being able to ride it
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Always Cross on January 19, 2021, 09:31:22 am
I would use volunteering to see how the riders experience LEL not just to get a place on the next one.  Also 2025 LEL will be used as incentive to get out and ride more the farthest audax I’ve done is 100km BP full value rider.  So I need to get faster so I can ride farther.  I started riding at 7 and haven’t stopped since just not very fast.  So you see what I mean of dreaming of doing it.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: LiamFitz on January 19, 2021, 09:56:18 am
I had the best time volunteering in 2017 - knackering but really enjoyable.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Bikeabilityman on January 19, 2021, 03:05:42 pm
I had the best time volunteering in 2017 - knackering but really enjoyable.
So you didn’t just hide in the side/computer room, chatting to passers by!  :)
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on January 25, 2021, 10:24:06 pm
The Boss says 2025 .. and I am sure that is right in calendar terms ... but the key question will be is The Boss going to be up for doing what would then be his 4th LEL. The two + years work in advance of the ride date ..mean that there is very little time off , so that LEL occupies quite a large part of your free  time .. especially if you are still in gainful employment ( which he is ).

Having been with Danial for both events so far and all being well the next 20 months to the 2022 event ..and  remembering that I said I would be unlikely to do 2021  .. age gets to us all .. at the moment I find it difficult to imagine that I will be doing 2025 .. but maybe  the rejuvenation pills will work .. or I am a reincarnation of Peter Pan.    Both very unlikely in reality

Not difficult to replace me .. but replacing Danial if it was needed ..  his knowledge and total commitment and dedication to the event .. and the huge time demand .. that will be a hell of a task.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Ivo on January 26, 2021, 06:15:07 am
There have been serveral main organisers of LEL over the years, each gave a special twist to it but the general outline always has been improving the quality, increasing the amount of riders but not too fast and an international outlook. It's quite normal that the same person can't do this for many years.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: ElyDave on January 26, 2021, 10:53:45 am
I had the best time volunteering in 2017 - knackering but really enjoyable.
So you didn’t just hide in the side/computer room, chatting to passers by!  :)

No he didn't, he got stuck in, in the kitchen feeding bean stew to all the German veggies.

I thoroughly enjoyed it as well, and had hoped to be able to ride it this time round, but things are so much up in the air and my back is not recovering from an accident, so unlikely for 2022 at least.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on January 26, 2021, 11:48:11 am
You are of course right Ivo .. that there have been a succession of organisers .. but the event has changed enormously since  I rode in 2009 when there were  about 500 entries ...in my biased view it would be fair to say 2009 was the last .. "" Lets wing it and hope event .. after all they are Audax riders and will tolerate almost anything"".  2022 we expect to start 2000 from 55 different countries, with an entry fee about 3 times that of 2009. These entrants expect and are entitled to receive value for money.  Just getting the controls of the size to handle these numbers requires long and complex negotiations. The organisation needed to find 4 times the number of volunteers .. and getting them into the right places at the right times is way way different from the past. Feeding the riders can  no longer be left to each individual controller, in fact menu options have to very carefully worked out. Medical skills have to be increased . Insurance for overseas riders is now a complex problem.    It will be  quite possible to replace Danial, when he reaches the point of saying .. this is my last one ..  but the skill levels and time commitment are substantial .. it is a hell of a job to undertake. It can not be done by bringing in some sort of professional organiser, charging for their time .. the price would then rocket to .. say £1000... so almost certainly it has to be someone with a love of Audax .. with large amounts of available time and high admin skill levels. All being well if and when the time comes .. there will be someone who can step up .. but although the event retains the original concept .. London to Edinburgh and back again.. the admin demands have increased exponentially.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Genosse Brymbo on January 26, 2021, 02:13:04 pm
I had the best time volunteering in 2017 - knackering but really enjoyable.
So you didn’t just hide in the side/computer room, chatting to passers by!  :)

No he didn't, he got stuck in, in the kitchen feeding bean stew to all the German veggies.

I thoroughly enjoyed it as well, and had hoped to be able to ride it this time round, but things are so much up in the air and my back is not recovering from an accident, so unlikely for 2022 at least.
My memory is of Liam manning the commercial-grade diswasher, delivering very lively and witty banter at the same time.  It contributed greatly to my enjoyment of the event.

Like ElyDave I had hoped to ride it this time round.  Fingers crossed for 2022.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Ivo on January 26, 2021, 07:55:37 pm
You are of course right Ivo .. that there have been a succession of organisers .. but the event has changed enormously since  I rode in 2009 when there were  about 500 entries ...in my biased view it would be fair to say 2009 was the last .. "" Lets wing it and hope event .. after all they are Audax riders and will tolerate almost anything"".  2022 we expect to start 2000 from 55 different countries, with an entry fee about 3 times that of 2009. These entrants expect and are entitled to receive value for money.  Just getting the controls of the size to handle these numbers requires long and complex negotiations. The organisation needed to find 4 times the number of volunteers .. and getting them into the right places at the right times is way way different from the past. Feeding the riders can  no longer be left to each individual controller, in fact menu options have to very carefully worked out. Medical skills have to be increased . Insurance for overseas riders is now a complex problem.    It will be  quite possible to replace Danial, when he reaches the point of saying .. this is my last one ..  but the skill levels and time commitment are substantial .. it is a hell of a job to undertake. It can not be done by bringing in some sort of professional organiser, charging for their time .. the price would then rocket to .. say £1000... so almost certainly it has to be someone with a love of Audax .. with large amounts of available time and high admin skill levels. All being well if and when the time comes .. there will be someone who can step up .. but although the event retains the original concept .. London to Edinburgh and back again.. the admin demands have increased exponentially.

2009 was already a far cry from my first LEL in 1997. OK, it wasn't X-rated in '97 but only half the controls were staffed and there was a great deal of riding alone. Each new organiser upgraded the event to a next level, anyone succeding Danial would have to upgrade as well (or Danial himself if he stays).
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: The French Tandem on January 27, 2021, 01:21:16 pm
Insurance for overseas riders is now a complex problem.   

Being based in France, we used to ride in Britain while being covered by our home insurance only (a French insurance company). I guess it was similar for all other EU countries residents. Our insurance company told us (well, I asked first) that from January 1st 2021, we were  no longer insured for riding a bicycle in Britain  :(
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: mzjo on January 27, 2021, 08:36:31 pm
Insurance for overseas riders is now a complex problem.   

Being based in France, we used to ride in Britain while being covered by our home insurance only (a French insurance company). I guess it was similar for all other EU countries residents. Our insurance company told us (well, I asked first) that from January 1st 2021, we were  no longer insured for riding a bicycle in Britain  :(

I used to ride thinking I was covered on my FFCT membership, until the Federal insurers clearly stated that only rides inscribed in the League (or I think Codep ) calendar were covered by the organising option that (all?) clubs subscribe to. I think we still take a risk assuming that a club ride overseas will be covered but individual rides are clearly not (which gave an enormous amount of grief for cross-border commuters with a home one side and a club the other - think Germany-France for example). It is early days since federal activity was on Covid shutdown before Brexit came into force (and the FFCT has also changed insurers); I would hope that a solution will be found when activity restarts (when????). Somewhere there will be an insurer with a specialist product for riding overseas - although at what price?
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Davef on January 28, 2021, 09:04:14 am
Insurance for overseas riders is now a complex problem.   

Being based in France, we used to ride in Britain while being covered by our home insurance only (a French insurance company). I guess it was similar for all other EU countries residents. Our insurance company told us (well, I asked first) that from January 1st 2021, we were  no longer insured for riding a bicycle in Britain  :(

I used to ride thinking I was covered on my FFCT membership, until the Federal insurers clearly stated that only rides inscribed in the League (or I think Codep ) calendar were covered by the organising option that (all?) clubs subscribe to. I think we still take a risk assuming that a club ride overseas will be covered but individual rides are clearly not (which gave an enormous amount of grief for cross-border commuters with a home one side and a club the other - think Germany-France for example). It is early days since federal activity was on Covid shutdown before Brexit came into force (and the FFCT has also changed insurers); I would hope that a solution will be found when activity restarts (when????). Somewhere there will be an insurer with a specialist product for riding overseas - although at what price?
If you are talking about liability insurance I would have thought national bodies would be the people to approach. Certainly if you are U.K. resident BC insurance covers travel world wide (with some limitations for USA and Canada).
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: LiamFitz on January 29, 2021, 10:04:41 am
I had the best time volunteering in 2017 - knackering but really enjoyable.
So you didn’t just hide in the side/computer room, chatting to passers by!  :)

There was a room to hide in? No one told me!
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Bikeabilityman on January 29, 2021, 10:48:57 am
I had the best time volunteering in 2017 - knackering but really enjoyable.
So you didn’t just hide in the side/computer room, chatting to passers by!  :)

There was a room to hide in? No one told me!
I must be getting old. I remember scanning myself out, then having a long chat with you in a room, monitoring the scanner or something 🤔

Anyway, one day I’ll see LEL from the volunteering side. Still hoping to ride one with team mates.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: phil d on January 29, 2021, 11:45:03 am
...... Feeding the riders can  no longer be left to each individual controller, in fact menu options have to very carefully worked out.........

I don't disagree with you, but some individual controllers managed a far better result (in terms of menu planning, provisioning and budget) than some of the "professional" caterers.

I had the best time volunteering in 2017 - knackering but really enjoyable.
So you didn’t just hide in the side/computer room, chatting to passers by!  :)

Liam played a full part of the volunteer rota. What he did in the "side room" was extra, work being done for the central administration.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Bikeabilityman on January 29, 2021, 12:58:35 pm
👍
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: LiamFitz on January 29, 2021, 10:03:20 pm

Liam played a full part of the volunteer rota. What he did in the "side room" was extra, work being done for the central administration.

OMG - I thought the terms of my contract rider were confidential.  I deny it all and my lawyers will be in touch
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on January 29, 2021, 11:09:31 pm
Indeed Phil ..your superlative efforts put the "" professional ""caterers to shame. That was a major part of the problem .. they were just not professional. They were not even particularly cheap .. but that was one of the most important lessons that we learnt from 2017.
Catering is so important .. menu options, quantities and availability ... huge logistical problem. Combine that with "professionals" who did not understand their task .. and you can fairly quickly see why a seasoned audaxer as a controller has a real head start on getting it right.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 30, 2021, 05:31:51 am
The guests on events such as LEL are a nightmare.  They never turn up on time (headwinds make them late, tailwinds or benign night conditions means they push on to a control that wasn't expecting them).  They are tired, fussy, and confused.  (They are also very lovely people but not from a caterer's point of view).

Professional caterers usually work to delivering a fixed quantity of meals at a fixed time, and I suspect the disciplines required for that can work against the adaptability needed for LEL.

It's also 'another event' for them, whereas for an amateur, it's as much an experience as riding the event itself and justifies 18 months of planning, timetabling, thinking about the volunteers, etc. 

That said, an inexperienced volunteer could easily be overwhelmed by the logistics of feeding 1500 people in a day, which is by far the biggest challenge and one that some of the professional caterers had clearly underestimated.

Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: phil d on January 31, 2021, 10:26:08 am
Indeed Phil ..your superlative efforts put the "" professional ""caterers to shame.

Not me. While I did the budgeting and provisioning, Colin (CET in the mail above) did all the menu planning and kitchen management which was by a very large margin the harder part. And other controls did just as well.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: alwyn on February 04, 2021, 08:27:39 pm

My memory is of Liam manning the commercial-grade diswasher, delivering very lively and witty banter at the same time.  It contributed greatly to my enjoyment of the event.

Like ElyDave I had hoped to ride it this time round.  Fingers crossed for 2022.

LiamFitz is far too modest to reveal the full extent of his involvement in LEL. He is, essentially, a core team member. I shudder to think how much it would have cost to access his expertise and work at commercial rates.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: alwyn on February 04, 2021, 08:38:38 pm
It's also 'another event' for them, whereas for an amateur, it's as much an experience as riding the event itself and justifies 18 months of planning, timetabling, thinking about the volunteers, etc. 

That said, an inexperienced volunteer could easily be overwhelmed by the logistics of feeding 1500 people in a day, which is by far the biggest challenge and one that some of the professional caterers had clearly underestimated.

We have had some superb professional caterers take part in LEL. Including one that supported Colin in 2013 and taught some of the tricks that helped make him such a superlative caterer in 2017. And Colin really was/is a colossally good caterer.

He's by no means alone. Sina in 2009 at Thorne produced amazing food out of a deeply unpromising kitchen. June in 2017 at Innerleithen absolutely nailed it with zero mass-catering experience. I cannot remember who cooked the food at Great Easton in 2017 but I really enjoyed what I ate there. Those two, along with me and other LEL volunteers now hang out on Facebook in a group sharing our cooking and recipes. They are an asset to Audax UK that cannot be priced.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: alwyn on February 04, 2021, 08:44:56 pm
We have also had some shockingly bad professional caterers. Vince at Market Rasen in 2013 generated more complaints alone than all the other complaints combined. He was fucking vile. Aaron at Spalding and Louth in 2017 caused my first major fail during LEL, shaming me and my husband,ruining the ride of about a dozen riders while denying having no food available for five hours was a problem. Jason was superb in 2013, but had delivered quite the drink and sniff problem by 2017 and was found stealing cash and merch from the front desk. Happily, Jason's team proved to be really quite superb, and they will be serving you in 2021/2.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Lightning Phil on February 04, 2021, 09:41:25 pm
It's also 'another event' for them, whereas for an amateur, it's as much an experience as riding the event itself and justifies 18 months of planning, timetabling, thinking about the volunteers, etc. 

That said, an inexperienced volunteer could easily be overwhelmed by the logistics of feeding 1500 people in a day, which is by far the biggest challenge and one that some of the professional caterers had clearly underestimated.

We have had some superb professional caterers take part in LEL. Including one that supported Colin in 2013 and taught some of the tricks that helped make him such a superlative caterer in 2017. And Colin really was/is a colossally good caterer.

He's by no means alone. Sina in 2009 at Thorne produced amazing food out of a deeply unpromising kitchen. June in 2017 at Innerleithen absolutely nailed it with zero mass-catering experience. I cannot remember who cooked the food at Great Easton in 2017 but I really enjoyed what I ate there. Those two, along with me and other LEL volunteers now hang out on Facebook in a group sharing our cooking and recipes. They are an asset to Audax UK that cannot be priced.

Grant Huggins was managing food at Great Easton

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Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Tomsk on February 05, 2021, 05:48:23 pm
Grant Huggins was managing food at Great Easton

 :thumbsup: One of the Respected Elders of ACME and as his forum byline says: 'Never knowingly underfed on an Audax'. He also ran the Great Easton kitchen in 2013 when I was controller.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: mmmmartin on February 05, 2021, 10:37:10 pm
We have also had some shockingly bad professional caterers. Vince at Market Rasen in 2013 generated more complaints alone than all the other complaints combined. He was fucking vile. Aaron at Spalding and Louth in 2017 caused my first major fail during LEL, shaming me and my husband,ruining the ride of about a dozen riders while denying having no food available for five hours was a problem. Jason was superb in 2013, but had delivered quite the drink and sniff problem by 2017 and was found stealing cash and merch from the front desk. Happily, Jason's team proved to be really quite superb, and they will be serving you in 2021/2.
At the start last time I was charged with greeting the caterers who arrived very late at night while I think there was some pub event thing on for riders and vols. In the rush of events, there was no key for them to access the kitchen and it was locked but they needed to be in very early in the morning. I had no key and no idea what to do. While I was talking about this massive problem with two of them, the other wandered off. Five minutes later he returned: "No problem lads, we're in." I didn't ask.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: mmmmartin on February 05, 2021, 10:43:13 pm
Also, it would be rude of me to not mention the catering at Moffat, where I spent a very happy couple of days with Chris Crosland helping out and the catering was really very good. It was also good on the previous LEL and I remember that because I had a fabulous meal before packing and heading south.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: mmmmartin on February 05, 2021, 10:49:29 pm
Gosh this makes me feel happy, remembering all those great times. After helping at the start, then taking the train to Moffat I was driven to eskdalemuir and I was a bit shot away by then so can't remember who did the catering but I think it was ladies from the village: they were unbreakable. We had bodies all over every section of the floor and people still coming in. They didn't blink an eyelid. It might have looked different behind the counter, but from where it was it ran on rails. It was great to be part of that. My only mistake was not buying an LEL Volunter jersey. My mate has one and you can see riders looking at it. It's not like he rode it: he made it possible.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: phil d on February 06, 2021, 10:03:06 am
Gosh this makes me feel happy, remembering all those great times. After helping at the start, then taking the train to Moffat I was driven to eskdalemuir and I was a bit shot away by then so can't remember who did the catering but I think it was ladies from the village: they were unbreakable. We had bodies all over every section of the floor and people still coming in. They didn't blink an eyelid. It might have looked different behind the counter, but from where it was it ran on rails. It was great to be part of that. My only mistake was not buying an LEL Volunter jersey. My mate has one and you can see riders looking at it. It's not like he rode it: he made it possible.

This was their third LEL - they were used to it! They certainly expressed some surprise at their first time, back in 2009 (when our facilities were rather less refined; indeed, very "rather less" in all respects) but quickly rallied round and some offered floor space in their homes. They tried, unsuccessfully, to get the second village hall opened up as well. I think this is now part of the Eskdalemuir control set-up.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Redlight on February 07, 2021, 12:05:04 pm
Grant Huggins was managing food at Great Easton

  He also ran the Great Easton kitchen in 2013 when I was controller.

Did he?  ;)
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Tomsk on February 07, 2021, 05:19:59 pm
He also ran the Great Easton kitchen in 2013 when I was controller.
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Did he?  ;)
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Oops, failing memory, red face here, Redight! All wonderful hardworking people though!  ;D
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Redlight on February 07, 2021, 07:04:58 pm

Oops, failing memory, red face here, Redight! All wonderful hardworking people though!  ;D

You're forgiven  ;D
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: LiamFitz on February 10, 2021, 11:05:46 am
I remember the kitchen at St Ives being almost over run by starving marauders on the way out. The tail wind brought them in one rush and we just about managed to cook quickly enough to keep up with demand for pasties and Bacon rolls. I was particularly impressed by our Japanese comrades who seemed game to try anything as long as it came in large.

I think we just about held the line and the only complaint was from a brit who was vpvcally disappointed that we were not offering black pudding (but I guess we've all experienced food obsession when a control is a couple of hours away only to have our hopes dashed by a cold Ginsters).
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: mmmmartin on February 10, 2021, 11:34:52 pm
a cold Ginsters).
STOP! JUST STOP! What I wouldn't give to eat a cold Ginsters at 3am standing in a village hall somewhere while my legs struggled to keep me upright and my head was spinning after getting off the bike.

Happy days. 😊
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on February 11, 2021, 08:58:40 pm
3am feasts.  Brings back memories.  Sitting on the concrete slab of a disused petrol station south of Horncastle on the way to York for the AUK reunion and knowing that the shortbread fingers in my rackpack were, indeed, the most beautiful thing in the known world.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: mmmmartin on February 13, 2021, 10:48:44 pm
3am feasts.  Brings back memories.  Sitting on the concrete slab of a disused petrol station south of Horncastle on the way to York for the AUK reunion and knowing that the shortbread fingers in my rackpack were, indeed, the most beautiful thing in the known world.
Fabulous. Right now I'm thinking of the absolutely wonderful sandwich on the north coast of Norfolk just before the Co-op closed, and the instruction to turn left on to a main road. Which I did. The next control was Barton Mills. *Almost five hours later* I rolled into the garage at Barton Mills where a lovely young lady was rather bemused by a dozen cyclists asleep on the floor. I joined them for 20 minutes. Then set off for the final control.
That ride was one of those that got me into PBP. Happy days. Right now I'd give my eye teeth to do that again.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Graeme on February 13, 2021, 10:57:44 pm
3am feasts.  Brings back memories.  Sitting on the concrete slab of a disused petrol station south of Horncastle on the way to York for the AUK reunion and knowing that the shortbread fingers in my rackpack were, indeed, the most beautiful thing in the known world.
Fabulous. Right now I'm thinking of the absolutely wonderful sandwich on the north coast of Norfolk just before the Co-op closed, and the instruction to turn left on to a main road. Which I did. The next control was Barton Mills. *Almost five hours later* I rolled into the garage at Barton Mills where a lovely young lady was rather bemused by a dozen cyclists asleep on the floor. I joined them for 20 minutes. Then set off for the final control.
That ride was one of those that got me into PBP. Happy days. Right now I'd give my eye teeth to do that again.

Tadcaster service station, a 24hr jewel in the crown.
Flat earth Bob microwaving wet gloves at a service station in Thirsk.
The all night disco at Lockerbie Truck Stop...

I'm feeling bereft.
:(
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: Zed43 on March 07, 2021, 10:16:06 am
Slightly related, for those of us who remember the tranquility of Eskdalemuir valley, the surprise of seeing a big Tibetan temple (that must be sleep deprivation, except it wasn't) and the lovely small community run control: there's plans to end that tranquility by building two shooting ranges for .50 caliber guns. From what I read without bothering to consult the locals what they think about this...

If you want to show your support against this plan you can leave your email (and a donation if you'd like) at http://chng.it/Shs9cCc9DG (http://chng.it/Shs9cCc9DG)
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: markcjagar on March 07, 2021, 03:43:28 pm
Flat earth Bob microwaving wet gloves at a service station in Thirsk.

I feel like I've met the same person but the nickname I have for them isn't very forum friendly
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: mattc on March 07, 2021, 06:02:56 pm
I think Hot Glove Bob is pretty harmless as nicknames go.
Title: Re: LEL 2021
Post by: aidan.f on March 08, 2021, 08:04:41 pm
So my idea is not original? Perhaps Bob did not get caught by 'the management'