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quixoticgeek

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Victoria sandwich
« on: 28 August, 2023, 11:22:28 pm »


Is it still a Victoria sandwich if you use raspberry instead of strawberry jam ?

(Guess who bought the wrong jam)

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Wowbagger

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #1 on: 28 August, 2023, 11:53:29 pm »
I wouldn't have anything other than raspberry jam in my Victoria sandwich. Strawberry is just an inferior fruit.
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quixoticgeek

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #2 on: 29 August, 2023, 02:54:40 am »


Just got a notification that this topic was locked. And was just trying to work out what I could possibly have done to cause the topic to get locked.

When I got a notification it was unlocked. Phew.

Thank you mods, may I interest you in a slice of cake ?

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citoyen

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Victoria sandwich
« Reply #3 on: 29 August, 2023, 07:18:48 am »
Some pedants might say it’s technically not a Victoria sandwich if you use anything other than the right kind of jam.

Most normal people would say it really doesn’t matter whether or not it’s technically a Victoria sandwich as long as you save a slice for me.
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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #4 on: 29 August, 2023, 07:55:17 am »
Raspberry is the jam I use.

Adam

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #5 on: 29 August, 2023, 08:59:52 am »
I wasn't aware it should be one type of jam.  All cake is good.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #6 on: 29 August, 2023, 09:06:37 am »
Most normal people would say it really doesn’t matter whether or not it’s technically a Victoria sandwich as long as you save a slice for me.
This, totally.
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T42

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #7 on: 29 August, 2023, 10:11:46 am »
Vicky sandwich sounds like something a pathologist might have for lunch.
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Wowbagger

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #8 on: 29 August, 2023, 10:15:35 am »
Vicky sandwich sounds like something a pathologist might have for lunch.

...roast leg of insurance salesman...
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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #9 on: 29 August, 2023, 10:17:03 am »
Vicky sandwich sounds like something a pathologist might have for lunch.

...roast leg of insurance salesman...

Is that a chorus of yums I hear?
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Wowbagger

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #10 on: 29 August, 2023, 10:18:08 am »
Vicky sandwich sounds like something a pathologist might have for lunch.

...roast leg of insurance salesman...

Is that a chorus of yums I hear?

Yum yum yum yum yum yum yum...!
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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #11 on: 29 August, 2023, 05:24:41 pm »
Never mind the jam, it must have proper fresh whipped cream

Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #12 on: 29 August, 2023, 05:44:35 pm »
Our village flower show is quite strict about Victoria sponges. Here is the official recipe. Any deviation would be marked as NAS (not according to schedule) and be disqualified.

Victoria sandwich cake
                                   Recipe:      6oz margarine
                                   6oz caster sugar
                                   6oz self-raising flour
                                   3 eggs
Sandwiched together with raspberry jam. Leave top unsugared
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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #13 on: 29 August, 2023, 08:22:04 pm »
Victoria Sponge is rubbish.
There, I said it.
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TheLurker

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #14 on: 29 August, 2023, 08:26:39 pm »
Quote from: Mrs Pingu
Victoria Sponge is rubbish.
There, I said it.
Burn the heretic.

Raspberry jam.  Strawberries are an Abomination unto Nuggan.  They taste horrid too.
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hellymedic

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #15 on: 29 August, 2023, 09:24:42 pm »
Our village flower show is quite strict about Victoria sponges. Here is the official recipe. Any deviation would be marked as NAS (not according to schedule) and be disqualified.
Victoria sandwich cake
                                   Recipe:      6oz margarine
                                   6oz caster sugar
                                   6oz self-raising flour
                                   3 eggs
Sandwiched together with raspberry jam. Leave top unsugared

WHO still makes cake with margarine?
That's an abomination of itself!

Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #16 on: 29 August, 2023, 10:02:17 pm »
Never - not margarine - now actually recognised as an ultra processed food

Gattopardo

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #17 on: 30 August, 2023, 01:35:44 am »
Our village flower show is quite strict about Victoria sponges. Here is the official recipe. Any deviation would be marked as NAS (not according to schedule) and be disqualified.
Victoria sandwich cake
                                   Recipe:      6oz margarine
                                   6oz caster sugar
                                   6oz self-raising flour
                                   3 eggs
Sandwiched together with raspberry jam. Leave top unsugared

WHO still makes cake with margarine?
That's an abomination of itself!

The devil's snot

quixoticgeek

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #18 on: 30 August, 2023, 01:46:26 am »
Esp as the first sponge cakes didn't contain any fat or raising agent. Instead using wisked egg whites to produce the open light texture. A fatless sponge is a surprisingly hard recipe to perfect.

Growing up I used marg in cakes as I didn't know any better. These days it's butter only.

I know some of you don't like Victoria sandwich as cake. So a little bit of why I ask.

At my work if you leave your laptop unlocked you'll come back to find someone has emailed the whole company announcing that you'll bring cake to the office for everyone. I got one of the Dutch guys with this. Upon discovering it he came over and asked me "what is cake?"

As Aunty Helen will attest, in .NL you may get apple pie, or the vile heresy that is carrot cake, but beyond that cake as a dish is pretty rare. There's a dish that is kinda like a vanilla sponge cake baked in a loaf form factor that is served at funerals, which is what most Dutch people know of as cake. 

Last year as I was hitting a round multiple of ten orbits of the sun, I took in a home baked coffee and walnut cake, and a home cooked chocolate cake. I set them down on the table in the middle of the office, and exclaimed to the guy who had asked a year prior "this, is cake."

Well I'm coming up on another solar orbit. And again intend to take two cakes to work. But I thought I'd mix it up. Now my usual preference in cake goes coffee & walnut, chocolate, everything else. I thought I'd mix it up a little this year. And take a coffee & walnut, and in an effort to educate my colleagues on the culinary wonders of the British isles. A Victoria sandwich.

Hence my question.

There's a reason I cycle to Germany when I have a craving for cake...

J
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T42

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #19 on: 30 August, 2023, 07:47:58 am »
Victoria Sponge is rubbish.
There, I said it.

Dundee cake, OTOH...
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Wowbagger

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #20 on: 30 August, 2023, 12:03:46 pm »
Since you are trying to impress upon them the wondrousness of BRITISH CAIK may I suggest, along with the raspberry jam, that you add a layer of "butter cream" (butter blended with icing sugar to make a revoltingly sweet paste) between the two cake layers. The top may be dusted with icing sugar or more butter cream, depending upon taste.
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quixoticgeek

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #21 on: 30 August, 2023, 12:15:17 pm »
Since you are trying to impress upon them the wondrousness of BRITISH CAIK may I suggest, along with the raspberry jam, that you add a layer of "butter cream" (butter blended with icing sugar to make a revoltingly sweet paste) between the two cake layers. The top may be dusted with icing sugar or more butter cream, depending upon taste.

That was my plan.

J
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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #22 on: 30 August, 2023, 12:34:21 pm »
Esp as the first sponge cakes didn't contain any fat or raising agent.
But wasn't it the invention of baking powder that differentiated the Victoria from all previous sponges?  At least according to St Delia, who suggests adding some even when using SR flour.

quixoticgeek

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #23 on: 30 August, 2023, 12:46:32 pm »
Esp as the first sponge cakes didn't contain any fat or raising agent.
But wasn't it the invention of baking powder that differentiated the Victoria from all previous sponges?  At least according to St Delia, who suggests adding some even when using SR flour.

It was the invention of baking powder that allowed for all modern cakes. The Victoria sandwich is notable for it being a favourite of a monarch. The raising agent just made it easier to make.

I stopped using SR flour years ago. I keep plain flour and strong flour in stock and when a recipe asks for SRF, I just use a teaspoon of baking powder and bicarb.

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Re: Victoria sandwich
« Reply #24 on: 30 August, 2023, 01:07:50 pm »
Esp as the first sponge cakes didn't contain any fat or raising agent.
But wasn't it the invention of baking powder that differentiated the Victoria from all previous sponges?  At least according to St Delia, who suggests adding some even when using SR flour.

It was the invention of baking powder that allowed for all modern cakes. The Victoria sandwich is notable for it being a favourite of a monarch. The raising agent just made it easier to make.
You'll have to take that up with the historians, they all seem to agree that the Victoria Sponge came about as Delia suggests.