Yet Another Cycling Forum
Random Musings => Gallery => Phototalk => Topic started by: Torslanda on 08 May, 2017, 08:03:11 pm
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#1 son - Foxbat OTP - wants to get into DSLR world. Aged 16, with a 20 quid a week paper round, his budget isn't huge. What kind of dosh is necessary to get there?
Currently he is using my Fuji FinePix S5600 (5.1 MP with 10 x optical zoom, focal length 6.3 - 63mm) and getting reasonable results. My old SLR is a Canon AV-1 with 35-200 zoom, and I suppose we'd like something about as capable.
Recommendations please . . .
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It's worth bearing in mind that, once you've bought something, you'll have at least one and probably (soon) several lenses. If budgets will continue to be limited, you probably don't want to be changing systems, and trading them all in in one go. So, if you have strong views on what system you want long-term, second-hand in that system might be a good bet. Or, a few systems work with old lenses.
In my case, I have always been a Pentax user (because my father-in-law was, mostly, and also, back in the day, you could get various independent bodies that used K mount and were cheaper than the real thing). So, when I changed to DSLRs, it was with a Pentax K110D. That's no longer available, but was definitely budget at the time. Very good though, and I still have it as a backup.
I've still got his inherited 400mm telephoto K-mount lens, and it works with my DSLRs (as something nearer a 600mm) :thumbsup:
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My Camera body is still available (sold the lenses).https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=100330.0 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=100330.0) It's genuinely immaculate.
You can pick up a Canon 18-55 used for very little and it's a good starting lens.
If that's too much then check out MPB Used Cameras (https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-digital-slr-cameras/)
I just like, and know, Canon cameras so I'd say that the price of the cameras at MPB genuinely reflects their capability so you can find something for even a tiny budget there.
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Torslanda, they're all good. Seriously, it's hard to buy a truly pisspoor DLSR these days. I only know Nikon, so I'll recommend from their range.
Something like a Nikon D3000/3200/3300/3400 would be *way* better than he needs. The resolution of these cameras is just silly - my main body is 12MP and still absolutely fine. Spend more money on the lens and don't feel constrained to the kit zoom, either. If you can find a second hand D40 and a 35mm f1.8DX lens on eBay or one of the camera forums, I'd probably go for that.
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As ever, Charlotte has it right. Any body from a D40 upwards is going to be fine to get going. One gotcha is that not all lenses will autofocus with all bodies (older mechanical AF lenses requrie the screw drive that is only present on some bodies, newer lenses shoudl AF on anything)
I would strongly recommend the MPB route to get a second hand body at not much money. It will have everything needed to learn and depending on the style of photography chosen may be sufficient for a long time. The best upgrades are good glass. If I were in that position I'd spend more on lenses than on the body. As a standard zoom I like the sigma 17-70 macro, but that may be too expensive right now.
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Just looking at options (Canon).
The 400D is available for around £80 at MPB. This was a 4.5/5 Camera a while back with great reviews for image quality.
Agree with Charlotte, it's hard to buy a "dog" from one of the big manufacturers if it's from the last 8 years or so.
Canon/Nikon basically offer the same spec at the same price so don't get hung up on that, you won't go wrong with either brand.
The 50mm f/1.8 from Canon is famously just about the best bang-for-the-buck lens you can buy after your first kit lens.
I used to have one and it's a cracker (mine was £89 new) but it's not a general purpose lens, more like a budget portrait lens.
I'm still a fan of the budget 18-55 kit lenses as a starting place. It's reassuring to know, when you're hiking through some woods, that you only have a £45 lens fitted.
My current "carry lens" weighs a ton and I can't afford to bang it on a tree.
Edit. If I was buying a Canon crop-sensor then I'd ask for the Canon EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM "pancake" for Christmas. Stick that on my tiny EOS 100D and you'd have a lovely setup for walk-about photography.
This is my EOS with a 40mm "Pancake" with a CD for scale. It's teeny but the 40mm on a crop-sensor is a bit of a no-mans-land of a focal length, the 24 would give you a really useful 38mm equivalent. (Now I'm talking myself into keeping the 100D and buying a 24mm pancake for it... this is a poor sales pitch)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZbBJxIiqWb3hVzj2lzNe4m4uB0JrRG1V4djiL9_XJwczbDpDTzBMmkZ7vVd5-wJu01rhz0lsw4_Cf1IOkztZkWwecr2I_DXvgsWXYfkHo_ZwEw9DVFJD7v_ThV9IBofFSFqtXom8pX5NoGgXrvbsrs8FvcwY1SLJU0eOdN9EzQUcoH6pMN96ydkmgAi7rYD_pPqTnElXXE9rayeCfsuQXZ-7xaXggm6REv2135ia8IPvYcJaT_gciJm-ujAb-xhfKokbMBGE6oI7-MMAiH4HzcTcfQDIpuLe2gkz2HhomRuX7Ech2PuZaz9x2QOAXK3U49IXlr5WN5TONtL5nQEUf7FG_vHfHn6XLNPZ6wbaefLBRX06GPqo7NdD0harhfmdws0txHL4zmq4gHkjI348DqDQFiRT32ZSxFMnOEJtzKyNtVaE4wtpiiYjcw4s2sQqcWa6Y1Y_5ENZp-MAJYD0rgNFA-LHRdaBTd0Q7w1KaT_ITUOhfAvWt_QCHlj_bFZN2jAFqlA25iJmWr26spQq8XcHJhbDhmUuC862bi2Zbn5Ai_iLBi3IFTOzc8Snk2mnywUovC9Kl45pMciSLuq2IMoG6LXgrRjGCrJflc_L5HEMJcMH_FFu=w640-h480-no)
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So. Does this: LENS (https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-lenses/used-nikon-fit-lenses/nikon-af-28-80mm-f-3-5-5-6d/sku-661633/)
Work with this: BODY (https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-digital-slr-cameras/used-nikon-digital-slr-cameras/nikon-d40x/sku-659209/)?
Sorry if this is basic stuff but if it was a groupset compatibility question . . .
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Good advice above. I love our Sony but with Canon and Nikon you are entering the Shimano zone of the camera world where there is lots of choice and it's all pretty reliable.
Way back in the early noughties I recall reading an article where it said that once dslr sensors reached 12mp then they would be as good as film for the amateur enthusiast. I don't know how glib or simplistic that might be but I waited for 12mp* before dipping and have not been disappointed.
The other thing we have evolved to for general practicality is a wide to portrait zoom. Ours is a Signa 17 to 70 but all the manufacturers have the almost ubiquitous 'kit' lens of a similar range. It just stays on these days.
*14 mp on our Sony Alpha 350 which we remain very pleased with.
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So. Does this: LENS (https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-lenses/used-nikon-fit-lenses/nikon-af-28-80mm-f-3-5-5-6d/sku-661633/)
Work with this: BODY (https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-digital-slr-cameras/used-nikon-digital-slr-cameras/nikon-d40x/sku-659209/)?
Sorry if this is basic stuff but if it was a groupset compatibility question . . .
Yes, but that's an FX (full frame) lens and the body is DX (APS-C or cropped frame). It'll work - as I understand it the field of view and depth of field change - but you'd probably be better off getting a DX lens as it'll be smaller and lighter for a similar effective focal length. Something like this: https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-lenses/used-nikon-fit-lenses/nikon-af-s-18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6g-dx-vr/ which is the lens that comes with the Nikon DX DSLR kits and will give similar results.
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Hi Tors
When Miss S started her photography course we went here (http://www.realcamera.co.uk/) in town. Lots of secondhand stuff at decent prices with a warranty and patient helpful non pushy staff.
HTH
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Is it worth considering an SLR-style micro four thirds system? Lenses are light and significantly cheaper, so it's easier to expand the system.
Olympus OM-D is a good choice, offering in-body the best image stabilisation available. The EM-10 is a good entry point, and the EM-1 is superb. Panasonic have a good range, too.
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So. Does this: LENS (https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-lenses/used-nikon-fit-lenses/nikon-af-28-80mm-f-3-5-5-6d/sku-661633/)
Work with this: BODY (https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-digital-slr-cameras/used-nikon-digital-slr-cameras/nikon-d40x/sku-659209/)?
Sorry if this is basic stuff but if it was a groupset compatibility question . . .
That D40x has a shutter count of 6,000. That's practically unused. a 5/5 camera back in the day...for £94!!. I'd snap it up and stick a Nikon 18-55 on it (the Nikon AF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR)
Amazing setup for £150
Agree with comments about Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax...etc but Canon and Nikon, Canon especially, provide access to such a vast range of used, and 3rd party*, gear that I'd stick with one or the other until your lad knows precisely what he wants.
*Such as Yongnuo Flashguns and (reliable) cheap batteries**. If a 3rd-party makes a Camera accessory they will typically make it for Canon..then Nikon...then possibly the others. It's a numbers game.
** Never underestimate the benefits of decent cheap batteries.
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Torslanda, they're all good. Seriously, it's hard to buy a truly pisspoor DLSR these days. I only know Nikon, so I'll recommend from their range.
Something like a Nikon D3000/3200/3300/3400 would be *way* better than he needs. The resolution of these cameras is just silly - my main body is 12MP and still absolutely fine. Spend more money on the lens and don't feel constrained to the kit zoom, either. If you can find a second hand D40 and a 35mm f1.8DX lens on eBay or one of the camera forums, I'd probably go for that.
This - a friend recently asked me to recommend a dslr for her daughter and I finished up saying it didn't matter - buy what she thinks is better...
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Also, that older lens is likely to be screw focusing rather than an ultrasonic AF-S motor-in-the-lens that you'll need on a D40x.
I would definitely try and stretch for a 35mm lens like this one: https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-lenses/used-nikon-fit-lenses/nikon-af-s-35mm-f-1-8g-dx/sku-660273/ (https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-lenses/used-nikon-fit-lenses/nikon-af-s-35mm-f-1-8g-dx/sku-660273/)
If you can't justify spending more on the lens than on the body, get this: https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-lenses/used-nikon-fit-lenses/nikon-af-s-18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6g-ed-dx-vr-ii/sku-660955/ (https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-lenses/used-nikon-fit-lenses/nikon-af-s-18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6g-ed-dx-vr-ii/sku-660955/)
If the money's tight, I'd personally much prefer the older, cheaper D40 (as opposed to D40x) with only 6MP and the better fixed lens. Six beautifully sharp megapixels are worth much, much more than twelve blurry ones. Good, fixed glass beats a so-so zoom every single time.
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The lens is an AF-D which requires a screw drive. The D40x requires AF-S lenses with a built in motor.
Advice above to get the body and the 18-55 VR is good.
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Finally pulled the trigger on a Canon eos400 with 18-55 lens in mint condition
Then forgot to order a compact flash card. Knob.
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Finally pulled the trigger on a Canon eos400 with 18-55 lens in mint condition
Then forgot to order a compact flash card. Knob.
I think you'll be blown away with the image quality from a cheap DSLR (Don't forget to choose File type = RAW + JPG.... or you'll regret it one day)
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Crisis averted by diverting to Currys/PC World on the way to Kent and picking up a 16GB card after borrowing a CF to SD adapter which took the card no problem but the camera threw its toys out and gave us a 'no card' error message.
Happy Foxbat has so far about doubled the shutter count on this body...!
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Hmmm. Browsing mpb.com, there is certainly a large selection used DSLRs for not much money!
Currently I have a Pentax K100D, and I'm contemplating switching to either Canon or Nikon. However I've increasingly found myself getting frustrated with the poor performance of the K100D, particularly in RAW mode.
The most expensive lens I have for the Pentax is the Sigma 10-20 F4-5.6 so I dont have *too* much of an investment in a particular brand.
So perhaps I'd be better served by treating myself to a used Canon / Nikon and get a decent camera for not much coin?
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And then lust after increasingly nice lenses. I do like the Sigma 105mm macro which is probably right up your street for bugs etc.
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Tilty/flippy LCDs are good for macro, although a tablet with Helicon Remote is pretty good too.
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And then lust after increasingly nice lenses. I do like the Sigma 105mm macro which is probably right up your street for bugs etc.
Extension tubes are £10 new off Ebay. Maybe not as good as a good Macro.. but still..£10. Silly not to have a set in the toolkit.
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And then lust after increasingly nice lenses. I do like the Sigma 105mm macro which is probably right up your street for bugs etc.
Definitely! To be honest, while I have enjoyed my Pentax K100D DSLR, I think I may be better served in the long term migrating to Canon, there certainly is a heck of a lot more used lenses which would be more suitable for my needs than there are for Pentax. Plus buying a used Canon body I could probably afford a decent camera + used lenses than if I just stuck with buying a new pentax body. That mbp.com site does look dangerous for ones wallet! ;)
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And then lust after increasingly nice lenses. I do like the Sigma 105mm macro which is probably right up your street for bugs etc.
Definitely! To be honest, while I have enjoyed my Pentax K100D DSLR, I think I may be better served in the long term migrating to Canon, there certainly is a heck of a lot more used lenses which would be more suitable for my needs than there are for Pentax. Plus buying a used Canon body I could probably afford a decent camera + used lenses than if I just stuck with buying a new pentax body. That mbp.com site does look dangerous for ones wallet! ;)
However seeing as I have a Big Birthday next week, I may actually push the boat out and treat myself to a shiny new Canon DSLR. At the moment Thon Purple Shirt Purveyor of Computing and Electrical Goods has a sale on Canon 1300D with kit lens & 75-300 for £429 (including 2 year warranty). Considering that was near enough what I paid for my Pentax K100D 11 years ago, for just the body and kit lens, that seems a good purchase! For the more intersting lenses such as a canon 10-18 or a sigma 105mm macro, I'd probably buy these used from mbp.com
I have a weeks annual leave next week, so if I could hopefully purchase a camera for then, it'll give me a good week to practice with it! :)
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Wellllllll... Not to pour cold water, but I don't think you'll get much more than your Pentax already offers, other than Mp and better low-light performance. And you'll lose that nice LCD on top of the camera.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-rebel-t6-1300d-review
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Wellllllll... Not to pour cold water, but I don't think you'll get much more than your Pentax already offers, other than Mp and better low-light performance. And you'll lose that nice LCD on top of the camera.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-rebel-t6-1300d-review
Except my Pentax body does not support HSM/ ultrasonic motors, as it has only got a screw drive motor lens focusing. As you say however the nice LCD on the top of the Pentax Body is rather a nice feature. Do any Canon bodys have that? I'm not going to rush into anything now, while a shiny new camera would be nice for my 40th (as a gift from me, to me) I may as well wait till I can get a feel of Canon / Nikon DSLRs and see whats available. No doubt there will be good bargains available the nearer we get to Santa time.
In any case, my TV is now fubared (backlight failure), so funds will need to be spent replacing that - really not worthwhile repairing an 8 year old 42" lcd tv!
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The answer is to go to your local purple shirted purveyor of anbaric imaging essentials and molest a few bodies until you find one you like.
I thought I might like the D5300 until I picked it up (My hand size is a bit bigger than is comfortable for that model).
Better than trying to chose vicariously, as all our options and compromises are different.
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+1
Top-dwelling LCDs tend to come with the more expensive cameras: the cheaper ones make do with the rear LCD. You get used to it, I suppose - it doesn't bother me when I use a compact or mirrorless instead of the SLR.
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The answer is to go to your local purple shirted purveyor of anbaric imaging essentials and molest a few bodies until you find one you like.
I thought I might like the D5300 until I picked it up (My hand size is a bit bigger than is comfortable for that model).
Better than trying to chose vicariously, as all our options and compromises are different.
Well, I had a good fiddle with the bodies in the local purple shirt store.
Nikon D5300. Felt far too small and awkward in my hand! Needless to say I didn't bother picking up any of the new fangled mirrorless interchangable lens system cameras as they were even more wee!
Of the Canon 1300D and the 750D, the 750D felt better for some reason! ??? And the fact that the 750D can take an external microphone (I must finish off building my stereo pair of omnidirectional mikes.), means that this might be a better camera (or a used one of a similar level) rather than the entry level 1300D.
I think I'd be better off having a look at the used market, as I recon I could get a better body for my money buying used, rather than brand new. Which would give me more money to put into glass, such as the Sigma 105 macro.... I'll probably take a visit to Calumet Photographic in Edinburgh soon, as probably better advise there, than Purple Shirt Land! Plus calumet does do some used gear..
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There are some real bargains to be had in used dslr land. Original Canon 5d's and even 1Ds3's are not that expensive now and all have more than respectable photographic qualities.
Although I'm now on a newer camera the main advantage seems to be that the new Sony sensors have enough dynamic range for an old film shooter
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The answer is to go to your local purple shirted purveyor of anbaric imaging essentials and molest a few bodies until you find one you like.
I thought I might like the D5300 until I picked it up (My hand size is a bit bigger than is comfortable for that model).
Better than trying to chose vicariously, as all our options and compromises are different.
Well, I had a good fiddle with the bodies in the local purple shirt store.
Nikon D5300. Felt far too small and awkward in my hand! Needless to say I didn't bother picking up any of the new fangled mirrorless interchangable lens system cameras as they were even more wee!
Indeed, that is why I went for the D7100 (second hand) when I recently upgraded. Can't fault it and the newer models are even better. It does right by me. You're welcome to have a play with it if you are ever heading into Dundee and environs (and the Sigma 105)
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I think I'd be better off having a look at the used market, as I recon I could get a better body for my money buying used, rather than brand new. Which would give me more money to put into glass, such as the Sigma 105 macro.... I'll probably take a visit to Calumet Photographic in Edinburgh soon, as probably better advise there, than Purple Shirt Land! Plus calumet does do some used gear..
Push the boat out and get a used Canon 80D body from MPB.com
It's a seriously accomplished camera that leans heavily towards being a superb 1080p video camera. The dual-pixel, touch screen, focussing is still the best on any camera at ANY price.
Don't dick about with an average kit lens, just buy the excellent Canon 18-135mm IS STM. I had one and it's superb.
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I think I'd be better off having a look at the used market, as I recon I could get a better body for my money buying used, rather than brand new. Which would give me more money to put into glass, such as the Sigma 105 macro.... I'll probably take a visit to Calumet Photographic in Edinburgh soon, as probably better advise there, than Purple Shirt Land! Plus calumet does do some used gear..
Push the boat out and get a used Canon 80D body from MPB.com
It's a seriously accomplished camera that leans heavily towards being a superb 1080p video camera. The dual-pixel, touch screen, focussing is still the best on any camera at ANY price.
Don't dick about with an average kit lens, just buy the excellent Canon 18-135mm IS STM. I had one and it's superb.
Sadly, £700 odd for a used camera body is way out of my budget! :'(
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Being a cheapskate, I have almost always bought cameras that were either new but superseded, or used - which usually means superseded anyway. I'd certainly rather have a used camera that cost me £700 and met my requirements than endure the limitations of a new one at the same price.
For landscape you need mostly lots of pixels and decent ISO performance/dynamic range. [Semi]pro-level cameras were offering that from around 2010 on. If you look through the mid-range, semi-pro or even pro Canon or Nikon cameras from about then up until however much your budget can stand you should find something good. A Canon EOS 50D, for example, can turn out very good results but shouldn't cost you more than £450 with a lens thrown in. There's a 60D body going here for around 430€.
The Nikon equivalent would be something in the D7x00 range. I know a few folk who use them and are well pleased.
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very pleased with the D7100. Kind of comfortable for me and the way I work.
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A quick follow up.
Visited my Localish Camera Shop (Calumet, Edinburgh), and came home with a Canon 750D with EF-S 18-55 IS STM kit lens, and a Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM.
It'll certainly be interesting to compare the Pentax K100D with the Sigma 10-20 F4-5.6, with the Canon 750D with the Canon 10-18! :D
Fun times ahead. And luckily I'm on a weeks annual leave this week, so ideal to get out and about with my new camera!
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I think I'd be better off having a look at the used market, as I recon I could get a better body for my money buying used, rather than brand new. Which would give me more money to put into glass, such as the Sigma 105 macro.... I'll probably take a visit to Calumet Photographic in Edinburgh soon, as probably better advise there, than Purple Shirt Land! Plus calumet does do some used gear..
Push the boat out and get a used Canon 80D body from MPB.com
It's a seriously accomplished camera that leans heavily towards being a superb 1080p video camera. The dual-pixel, touch screen, focussing is still the best on any camera at ANY price.
Don't dick about with an average kit lens, just buy the excellent Canon 18-135mm IS STM. I had one and it's superb.
Sadly, £700 odd for a used camera body is way out of my budget! :'(
Canon 70D?
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I think I'd be better off having a look at the used market, as I recon I could get a better body for my money buying used, rather than brand new. Which would give me more money to put into glass, such as the Sigma 105 macro.... I'll probably take a visit to Calumet Photographic in Edinburgh soon, as probably better advise there, than Purple Shirt Land! Plus calumet does do some used gear..
Push the boat out and get a used Canon 80D body from MPB.com
It's a seriously accomplished camera that leans heavily towards being a superb 1080p video camera. The dual-pixel, touch screen, focussing is still the best on any camera at ANY price.
Don't dick about with an average kit lens, just buy the excellent Canon 18-135mm IS STM. I had one and it's superb.
Sadly, £700 odd for a used camera body is way out of my budget! :'(
Canon 70D?
Ended up going for a new 750D :)
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Sounds great, and I can't wait to see the results.
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I saw in DP Review that it'll take ordinary EF lenses as well so you'll have a wide choice of used lenses available for future birthdays etc. I'd go for a couple of primes - someone (Ken Rockwell?) once remarked that when you buy a zoom you almost always use it at the most extreme of its limits.
Have fun!
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someone (Ken Rockwell?) once remarked that when you buy a zoom you almost always use it at the most extreme of its limits.
I know what he means, using a prime teaches you to squeeze the best from one focal-length, but my "carry lens" is now a 24-105 F4.
I think the ISO sensitivity of modern DSLRs makes "darker" zooms much more viable as a "carry lens" than they once were* (and there's no fun in swapping prime lenses on a windy day near a beach).
*I used to use Kodachrome 25** which made my 50mm f/1.7 essential.
** Yes Kids, you read that right... ISO 25...for photographing Dinosaurs
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*I used to use Kodachrome 25** which made my 50mm f/1.7 essential.
How I LOVED my Kodachrome 25!
I was good that the York Rally coincided with the Summer solstice but I used it for rather more...
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*I used to use Kodachrome 25** which made my 50mm f/1.7 essential.
Me too. But after a Nat. Geog article mentioned how one Oz photog obtained great saturated colours, I got crazy and pushed it to 32.
Staying in Sunnyvale for a while was great - you could get same-day development for K25. It was cheap, too.
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*I used to use Kodachrome 25** which made my 50mm f/1.7 essential.
I got crazy and pushed it to 32.
ISO 32 (or "32 ASA" for us of a certain age) .. Madness, you'll fall off the edge going that far!!!
Amazing though isn't it? I don't hesitate to use ISO 3200 on my Canon 6D.
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It is easy to see how spoilt we have become!
A one hundredfold increase in light sensitivity and similar reduction in cost has totally changed our tendency to be snap-happy.
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You didn't see folk taking a pic and instantly looking at the back of the camera, either.
I took a roll with my old OM-2 a couple of years ago and caught myself doing just that. Not a lot to be seen, apart from the end flap off the film box (HP3 I think).
Apparently the distinguishing sign between the pro tog and the amateur is that the pro doesn't continually check his results. I have "review" turned off on those of my cameras that allow it, but I still can't quite bring myself not to have a peek.
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This is turning into the Four Yorkshiremen sketch.
...and you try telling the kids today that........and they won't believe you.
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HP3? HP5 surely. Faster than FP4.
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HP5? That new fangled stuff?
HP4.
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LUXURY!...
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HP3? HP5 surely. Faster than FP4.
PITA to process though
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HP5 or FP4? Both are quite straight forward.
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HP5 or FP4? Both are quite straight forward.
You're correct, I was mis-remembering XP2 (it's been a third of a century)
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HP3? HP5 surely. Faster than FP4.
Yeah, 5 it was. HP3 I used in my misspent youth.
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FYI.
I just bought a 2005 Canon 5D for £260 (the going price).
This was a £3,000 camera back in the day. It's a Pro camera, built like a tank with a 13Mp full-frame sensor. It's takes gorgeous images.
Strange to think, that after a year looking at upgrading my 6D to a 6D Mk2 or 5D mk4, I stepped back a bit and thought about what I actually wanted. What I actually wanted was a traditional camera that took digital images.
People may moan that it's "Grainy" at 3200 iso (well so was my Ilford FP4 film).
Highly recommended and likely to become a very expensive classic.
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It is fun to look at what was considered "Pro" over a decade ago.
More so when reading the forms full of gear-heads.
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FYI.
I just bought a 2005 Canon 5D for £260 (the going price).
This was a £3,000 camera back in the day. It's a Pro camera, built like a tank with a 13Mp full-frame sensor. It's takes gorgeous images.
Strange to think, that after a year looking at upgrading my 6D to a 6D Mk2 or 5D mk4, I stepped back a bit and thought about what I actually wanted. What I actually wanted was a traditional camera that took digital images.
People may moan that it's "Grainy" at 3200 iso (well so was my Ilford FP4 film).
Highly recommended and likely to become a very expensive classic.
I feel much the same about my old D200. It has a beautiful interface and good colour depth. I was delighted with it back in 2007 and am still delighted with some of the shots I took with it. That's what counts, in the end.
Now selling on Amazon UK for £120 used and £299 refurb.
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It is fun to look at what was considered "Pro" over a decade ago.
More so when reading the forms full of gear-heads.
Admittedly I wouldn't use the 5D if my livelihood was dependent on results today but, as Budget DSLRs go, it's a heck of a value proposition now.
If I ran a photography course at a college or university then I'd be buying them up ASAP.
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Just to add to this thread, I reckon there's an important fringe benefit of budget Canon DSLRs which is their (almost) compatibility with vintage screwfit lenses. They just need an adapter ring (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AF-Confirm-Adapter-for-M42-screw-lens-to-Canon-EOS-EF-mount-550D-600D-6D-7D-50D/183035100155?hash=item2a9dbdfbfb:g:~V8AAOSwW9RaaNkE).
Why is this a good thing? As manual focus prime lenses, the M42 fit glass lenses are fast compared with entry level modern kit. For situations where the camera is on a tripod and you have time to focus manually, they're a pleasure to use and can allow you to take photos in dim light (i.e. without special photographic lights). Product photography on a budget.