Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Dai P on 11 March, 2017, 08:20:00 pm
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Is there any protocol in Audax on wearing the jersey before completing the ride? I think in running it is looked down on if you wear the Jersey if you have not completed the ride. I know when I did PBP in 07 I stopped 5k from the finish to have a wash, beer and put the jersey on, having carried it around for four days. Today I think I saw someone with 2017 LEL Jersey..... I don't really have an opinion but don't want to wear one if it is deemed not cool. What is the best approach.
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I think it's bad form, but each to their own.
I didn't wear my PBP jersey until I'd completed the ride. To be honest it's not the most comfortable anyway. I'm about to finally get around to sticking it in a frame and hanging it on my wall (bought the frame today)
I did however wear the reflective gillet for the night sections.
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Yes, I agree in that it is bad form. I wouldn't wear the jersey until I've completed it, or at least on the final day of LEL. Would anyone wear a London Marathon T-Shirt if they hadn't done it. I certainly wouldn't.
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Yes, I agree in that it is bad form. I wouldn't wear the jersey until I've completed it, or at least on the final day of LEL. Would anyone wear a London Marathon T-Shirt if they hadn't done it. I certainly wouldn't.
Doesn't seem unreasonable to wear one while actually doing it, thobut. But I'm somewhat oblivious to the tradition surrounding such things.
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I tend not to wear the shirt unless I've done the ride. Wearing the event shirt during the ride makes it more difficult to identify which club/country you come from, when it is an international event.
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I still have two Marmotte jerseys from 2009 and 2011 that I still haven't worn.
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If I wore a PBP or LEL shirt knowing I have never ridden either I would feel like a fraud.
Fair enough to wear it while doing the ride IMHO
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Each to their own.
In some countries it is very common to wear the kit of the pro-team your support rather like a football club. Does not mean to say they ride on he team. You might wear the jersey if you have taken part in an event and not finished. Some will say 'bad form' while others will say 'so what'.
First World problem.
Real question is Shimano or Campag?
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Today I think I saw someone with 2017 LEL Jersey.....
Specifically on the LEL 2017 jersey, the only people I'm aware of who've currently got the jerseys to wear are members of the core organising team (PhilW had one on last year's Wild Atlantic Way, for instance), and I figure they've got a free pass.
As for other events, once you've got the jersey I think you can do what you like as long as you've got a story to tell. I'm happy to wear my LEL2013 and WAWA2016 jerseys despite finishing hors delai: I flogged on a Mille Cymru 2014 jersey because I packed after a third of the distance.
I swapped a Mile Failte 2014 jersey with another rider after PBP and am happy to wear his national audax jersey despite never having been to his country: if the situation had been reversed, I'd happily wear a jersey from an event that I'd obviously not ridden, because I could give an account of where it was from.
That said, I'm also happy to wear shorts that proclaim 'Olympic Development Team,' where the only account I can give is that they were cheap on ebay, so I'm comfortable with the idea that others may have a different view of things.
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Real question is Shimano or Campag?
SRAM, obviously ::-)
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I've got an LEL 2013 jersey and wear it some times - I didn't ride the event but spent 4 days volunteering at Brampton. This year there is a range of volunteer kit.
:)
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Today I think I saw someone with 2017 LEL Jersey....
If on Brazier's Run yesterday, it was a member of the LEL Team, and a very important one. He needs to perfect the 'Catwalk Mince' while modelling the kit, though. ;D
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I think it's bad form, but each to their own.
I didn't wear my PBP jersey until I'd completed the ride. To be honest it's not the most comfortable anyway. I'm about to finally get around to sticking it in a frame and hanging it on my wall (bought the frame today)
I did however wear the reflective gillet for the night sections.
How do you justify that? ;)
I take the view that if you've paid for the thing, you can wear it whenever you want. Someone on the internet telling me it's "Bad form old chap" isn't going to change that.
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I'd wear an event shirt during the ride. Afterwards I'd wear it only on rides of similar standing, or on winter under a jacket. Wearing a PBP shirt on a Sunday club ride is crass, ditto leaving the frame number on the bike for weeks after.
I do wear my Diagonaliste shirt on local rides with chums, because it shows membership of a club in the same way as a Cent Cols shirt. Ditto my UAF shirt, or at least I would if the zip wasn't kaput. Cent Cols members seem to wear theirs by preference.
I carry the PBP gilet because it fits and protects quite well, and it can't be read at a glance.
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I think wearing the Jersey is a means of self-Expression; some might say pride or boasting. The Event Jerseys I have bring back memories of the event, even if not worn or if you are DNF. Purchasing the Jersey was a decision to have a memoire of the event/ride; it would/could be a talking point. Many Sportifs include a Jersey with the Entry fee and ‘expect’ you to wear it on the event. Many tourist sites sell ‘achievement memorabilia’ and I proudly bought Jerseys for Passo Stelvio to celebrate a Bormio Audax The 103km 3.25AAA Ibex - Route 3 in 2013.
So, when you wear a specific Jersey, or even a T-Shirt, make sure you have the Tale to accompany it.
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I want to get the Mille Pennines jersey to wear during the ride.
If I complete that's great and I'll wear it. If I almost complete, hmm maybe. If I abandon too early... well I ain't wearing that in public.
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Personally, I wouldn't normally wear a ride jersey /T-shirt etc for an event I hadn't completed - especially if I were meeting other cyclists socially and that ride might come up in conversation. It's always nicer discussing events where I had a good time rather than an event where things didn't go so well!
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I want to get the Mille Pennines jersey to wear during the ride.
If I complete that's great and I'll wear it. If I almost complete, hmm maybe. If I abandon too early... well I ain't wearing that in public.
Maybe you move in different circles to me Jamie: but how many people do you know that have even attempted a similar thing?
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I want to get the Mille Pennines jersey to wear during the ride.
If I complete that's great and I'll wear it. If I almost complete, hmm maybe. If I abandon too early... well I ain't wearing that in public.
Maybe you move in different circles to me Jamie: but how many people do you know that have even attempted a similar thing?
I know very few people who do distance cycling, most people in my club think 200K is silly but I'm starting to meet more people interested in endurance challenges.
My thinking is that if I was on a ride (audax, commuting etc.) and someone asked me about it and I said "well, I got 300K into it and DNFd" unless it was for a crash I'd just feel like I hadn't earned it. It's not so much about what other people would say, but more about me feeling I was misrepresenting myself.
As for other people wearing jerseys, they can do what they want. I'm not interested in judging them. I'll do me and you do you seems a pretty good way of enjoying life.
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So, when you wear a specific Jersey, or even a T-Shirt, make sure you have the Tale to accompany it.
Is the story of how I bought a jersey sufficient?
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i might get a jersey printed up with "THE WORLDS MOST ARDUOUS AND DIFFICULT BIKE RIDE 2017" on it. A picture of a cog, a mountain and some logos from energy drink makers on the sleeve. A reflective strip and a 3/4 length zip.
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Specifically on the LEL 2017 jersey, the only people I'm aware of who've currently got the jerseys to wear are members of the core organising team (PhilW had one on last year's Wild Atlantic Way, for instance), and I figure they've got a free pass.
I think that counts as a useful promotional exercise. PhilW was showing the jersey off on the Poor Student back in January, which gave those of us planning to ride a chance to see it close up before making a purchase.
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i might get a jersey printed up with "THE WORLDS MOST ARDUOUS AND DIFFICULT BIKE RIDE 2017" on it. A picture of a cog, a mountain and some logos from energy drink makers on the sleeve. A reflective strip and a 3/4 length zip.
;D
I saw a chap at parkrun on Saturday wearing the T-shirt from some 100-mile marathon he'd done (I'm assuming he had actually done it). Yeah, very impressive, but wearing it in that context has a slight whiff of smugness about it.
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IMO I only get the jersey as a reminder of the event and not something to use during the ride. In fact having bailed 80 miles before the end of PBP in 15 I've put the jersey away and not even worn it, sad I know but...... :-\ :-\
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Real question is Shimano or Campag?
The correct usage of equipment should always be:
Road bikes-Campag
Mountain bikes-SRam
Fishing-Shimano
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Today I think I saw someone with 2017 LEL Jersey....
If on Brazier's Run yesterday, it was a member of the LEL Team, and a very important one. He needs to perfect the 'Catwalk Mince' while modelling the kit, though. ;D
I'll have a word with him at the Pork Pie on Saturday, make sure he's been practising — I'll get Mrs WB's opinion, too ;)
I wore my PBP jersey on the journey back from Paris after successfully completing — I got a few appreciative comments, too. I've never worn my LEL2013 jersey — I put on weight immediately after and it never quite fit, but the next size up was cavernous on me. I'm trying to get back down to the size I was when I got it ...
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i might get a jersey printed up with "THE WORLDS MOST ARDUOUS AND DIFFICULT BIKE RIDE 2017" on it. A picture of a cog, a mountain and some logos from energy drink makers on the sleeve. A reflective strip and a 3/4 length zip.
;D
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The Event Jerseys I have bring back memories of the event,
Never ridden an event hard/far enough to warrant a jersey but a collection of every brevet card does it for me.
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During PBP 2015, riders wearing the jersey on the event weirded me out, as from a distance it looked just like the Hambleton RC jersey, and I half-expected it to be someone I knew.
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Got about 20 grand brevet jerseys stashed in a plastic box. Rides done, jerseys mostly unworn as i prefer to ride my club colours on brevets as I'm proud of my club plus being very old skool.
A couple of ride jerseys will probably be worn on LEL as we have decided that our team will be doing the matching thing.
Personally if you don't finish the ride I wouldn't wear the jersey. As a helper I wouldn't want to wear the ride jerseys. I do like though when the organisation does make something special for the helpers to wear afterwards as without these generous people we couldn't ride.
Did wear my ACP PBP 2011 jersey on the ride as I needed a dry jersey as got caught up in some pretty big rain. Same ride did wear my PBP Audax 2011 jersey (completed week before) on the last day as that one is a very special jersey - only about 11 of us did the double, which I was very proud of and i think most of us did this so we could be identified.
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I saw a chap at parkrun on Saturday wearing the T-shirt from some 100-mile marathon he'd done (I'm assuming he had actually done it). Yeah, very impressive, but wearing it in that context has a slight whiff of smugness about it.
Oh dear. I wore my LEL jersey on the London Free Cycle 2013. This is the event where they close the roads in Central London for thousands of cyclists of all abilities and none (or at least no road sense). In 2013, this was held on the weekend immediately after LEL, and was great fun (and probably very dangerous). It's the day before LEL in 2017, so if you participate (and I think you should if you can fit it in with registration times) then be very careful.
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Oh dear. I wore my LEL jersey on the London Free Cycle 2013. This is the event where they close the roads in Central London for thousands of cyclists of all abilities and none (or at least no road sense). In 2013, this was held on the weekend immediately after LEL, and was great fun (and probably very dangerous). It's the day before LEL in 2017, so if you participate (and I think you should if you can fit it in with registration times) then be very careful.
Tbh, Freecycle seems like the kind of ride I'd be more likely to do in civvies than lycra, but it probably doesn't matter what you wear when you have to put on a hi-viz tabard over it. ;)
Regarding the bloke at parkrun in his 100-mile marathon T-shirt, it's really just jealousy on my part. I was going to ask him about it because it sounded interesting but I couldn't keep up with him. :(
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Wearing jerseys on 'lesser' events, my take on it is that I wouldn't buy a jersey I didn't expect to wear.
I get asked about cycling-specific kit (particularly lycra) by newbie cyclists from time to time. My answer is that cycling is my hobby, and I do long distance rides and multi-day tours where comfortable clothes made with lightweight, quick-drying technical materials are important. So when I go to the cupboard to select clothes for a sociable pootle, I'm likely to end up choosing Proper Cycling Kit™, because it's the best thing[1] there for the job (particularly if I'm riding at higher levels of effort to/from the ride). But that doesn't mean you need it to ride to the shops, and if that's all you're doing then anything weather-appropriate that's Not Jeans will suffice.
I reckon wearing an audax jersey to a Skyride (or a marathon T-shirt to a Parkrun) could simply be a case of that. You're advertising an event or organisation, but not necessarily willy-waving about it, and it might simply be a case of what was clean in the drawer.
[1] I avoid cycling in civvies in order to reduce wear on my civvies as much as comfort. Saddles destroy trousers, and buying trousers is hell.
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Good jerseys are not cheap, so I feel the need to 'earn' one. I got my first (and so far only) AUK one once I could call myself a randonneur. I'm clearly going to need more than one for LEL, so better get doing some more earning! I'll allow myself to buy another when I've done a 300 km (which should happen in April).
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Running events and triathlons seem to give out t-shirts more regularly then cycling ones, in my experience. So if you enjoy doing such events you end up with a drawer full of t-shirts. Most of the time I just wear the t-shirt that is on the top of the pile. Sometimes I will think "Do I want to wear a (say) marathon t-shirt to <this> event?" (but I probably wouldn't include Parkrun as an event that I wouldn't wear the t-shirt to). My O/H might rock up in an ancient t-shirt from a sprint triathlon about 10 years ago because he likes the fit, or his UTMB t-shirt (100 mile ultra). He doesn't think about what you might think of him...
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Does it make a difference whether it's a jersey or a T-shirt? If you wouldn't wear a jersey from an event you didn't complete, would you wear a T-shirt (given to helpers, say) from the same event?
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I like my PBP volunteers T shirt, but I think the ride jersey is Fugly like most of them.
If you've paid for the jersey, why not wear it if you want to.
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Does it make a difference whether it's a jersey or a T-shirt? If you wouldn't wear a jersey from an event you didn't complete, would you wear a T-shirt (given to helpers, say) from the same event?
Definitely makes a difference. I have a T-shirt from the Whitstable 10k that I did a few years ago that I only took because they were giving them away free. I wear it around the house or as a pyjama top but as it's heavy cotton, I wouldn't wear it for running in.
I also have T-shirts from both editions of the Beauty & The Beast trail marathon that I ran, and since they are 'technical' shirts, I do use them for running in. The graphics are quite subtle, so you have to look closely to see what event they're from, which means I have no qualms about wearing them for parkrun (although I usually wear my parkrun 100 shirt).
It would be nice if some events did commemorative shorts instead. I have more running tops and cycling jerseys than I know what to do with, but could always do with more pairs of running shorts.
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I was a bit curmudgeonly about this for a long time and still won't start an event in the official top.
On the last 3 1200k+ rides I did I carried the official top round and put it in with 300ish k's to go when I knew I was pretty much done. They then get worn for commuting and weekend spins.
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Similar to rob above. I wore my PBP and LEL jerseys on the last day of the rides. I've no problem with people wearing them from the start or even before the ride. Whether you wear them after not finishing is a personal matter. I wouldn't as I wouldn't want to field questions from random people asking me about the ride. Luckily I haven't DNFed anything where I've had the jersey before finishing.
If someone is wearing a top of a big event then I'll probably ask them about it (unless in Audax eyes to the floor conversation avoidance mode). I've yet to come across someone who is wearing one despite not finishing the event but I'd be interested to see how they react.
I've had loads of comments about the LEL'09 jersey as I regularly wear it on my commute over the years. The PBP'11 less so as it has a scratchy zip back. The PBP gilet has had so much use it is so faded now that you can't even tell it was from PBP.
Plenty of people wear the jerseys/shirts to illicit these questions. Parkrun in April/May is awash with Berlin/Tokyo/Brighton/London marathon finisher shirts. People like to bask in their glory for a bit. It's like the people that leave the dossards on their bike after a big ride (even the Prudential Ride 100) - mine tend to come off almost straight away.
Of course, Ironman is often the pinnacle of this: https://twitter.com/katehelencarter/status/836875923257446401/photo/1
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I'm about to finally get around to sticking it in a frame and hanging it on my wall (bought the frame today)
As a matter of interest what frame did you go for? Anything special to accommodate a shirt? I have been thinking about doing this as we have LEL and PBP shirts in the house. I might wear mine but fhoot is unlikely to do so as (like most shirts) they are way too short for him, so they might be displayed instead (in the cloakroom..... that's where cycling stuff lives)
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Of course, Ironman is often the pinnacle of this: https://twitter.com/katehelencarter/status/836875923257446401/photo/1
Is it? That one's subtle enough that I quite likely wouldn't have noticed it, "street" enough that if I had noticed it I would have thought of it as nothing more than Nike/Adidas/etc rather than implying actual Ironman participation, and practical enough that it seems perfectly sensible to use it. But maybe that's because I'm not attuned to the ways of ultradistance athletes.
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As the owner of an Ironman finisher's t-shirt... ;)
actually I don't wear it all that much. It is technical fabric but in a polo shirt design, so not suitable for running in. I also have a cycle top and a sleeveless t-shirt branded with the Ironman that I did, that I bought in the Expo before the race. I don't know if I would wear them if I had DNFed, as it is the cycle top in particular gets a reasonable amount of use.
My O/H has 4 such t-shirts. One is a horrible colour. I don't think he's ever worn it!
The finisher's t-shirt that makes me (a little bit) sad is my London marathon one. They do a cheap, cotton, one-size-fits-all job. I sleep in it sometimes. I do get that it is a very cheap race to enter and they are not going to faff around trying to sort thousands of people with a t-shirt that fits at the finish. Someone also pointed out to me that you can buy better quality London marathon branded kit...
Edited to add that the hardest thing I've ever done was The Snow Roads, and all I have to show for that is a brevet card and a badge...
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Make your own!
"I done the Snow Roads and I didn't even get this lousy T-shirt"
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On a similar subject - what is it with the ironman tattoo on the calf ?
I over take a few on my commute.
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On a similar subject - what is it with the ironman tattoo on the calf ?
I've noticed that. Definitely seems to be a cultural thing for triathletes.
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If I ever actually finish an Ironman (let alone start, current record is 1 DNS due to a sinus infection) then I'll definitely wear the finishing t-shirt, but I've sworn to never buy anything else (clothing, bags, towels, etc) Ironman branded. And never the tattoo (or any tattoo).
The finisher's t-shirt that makes me (a little bit) sad is my London marathon one. They do a cheap, cotton, one-size-fits-all job. I sleep in it sometimes. I do get that it is a very cheap race to enter and they are not going to faff around trying to sort thousands of people with a t-shirt that fits at the finish.
Brighton Marathon was a technical t-shirt (I use it for some training runs and 5-a-side football). You crossed the finish line, got given a medal and a bottle of water, and then you stumbled along the goodie bag section taking various things (gels, powerbar, recovery stuff, etc) and picked the finish t-shirt in the size you wanted, collected your drop bag and then you were cast out onto the beach.
Someone also pointed out to me that you can buy better quality London marathon branded kit...
Which is probably the real reason they give out a basic cotton one. Upsell.
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I was a bit curmudgeonly about this for a long time and still won't start an event in the official top.
On the last 3 1200k+ rides I did I carried the official top round and put it in with 300ish k's to go when I knew I was pretty much done. They then get worn for commuting and weekend spins.
loving the idea that 300km left is "pretty much done"
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The protocol is that members of the core LEL 2017 organising team get to wear the jerseys and gilets as early and as often as they like. The other protocol is ability to buy the grey version of the jersey if you've entered as a rider or the red version of the jersey if you are volunteering. Volunteers also get 2 free tshirts which riders are able to purchase. Both riders and volunteers are able to purchase the red gilet. if you are following any other protocol, well you can always purchase a LEL Mug.
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I've only ever bought 2 ride specific jerseys and didn't wear either until I completed.
at the end of PBP there was a small unassuming table where you could order (or maybe buy) jerseys; I'm assuming they were unwanted ones from riders who didn't ride / complete.
I've been turned down for Ride London but apparently I still get a jersey; suppose I'd better ride the route sometime.....
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On a similar subject - what is it with the ironman tattoo on the calf ?
I over take a few on my commute.
I've got the equivalent Audax tattoo on my right calf, funnily enough it comes off in the shower but reappears 10 minutes into every ride I do.
On topic, I generally buy an event shirt if I like the design. Even if I did or didn't complete the event I wouldn't hide it away in a cupboard. Anyone I met who stuck their nose up at me or gave me grief for wearing one for whatever reason probably wouldn't be someone I would be interested in talking to again anyway.
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I think its silly to give out shirts before you get to the finish line. But it does seem to be getting more common for some events.
The proper etiquette for running T-shirts: http://www.psychowyco.com/id74.html
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I think its silly to give out shirts before you get to the finish line. But it does seem to be getting more common for some events.
The proper etiquette for running T-shirts: http://www.psychowyco.com/id74.html
Brilliant I'm going to nick that and adapt for the LEL FB page
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On a similar subject - what is it with the ironman tattoo on the calf ?
I've noticed that. Definitely seems to be a cultural thing for triathletes.
Tattoos are for people who don't have proper chainring scars :P
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On a similar subject - what is it with the ironman tattoo on the calf ?
I've noticed that. Definitely seems to be a cultural thing for triathletes.
Yes. I think there's quite a long history but I don't know anything about it. I don't have one, neither does my O/H.
Women don't tend to go in for large calf tattoos (yet); you do see small ones (I remember when I was running the only other marathon I've run (rather illegible t-shirt) I slowly caught up with a woman who appeared to have a red mark on her ankle; "Oh dear", I thought, "she's hurt herself..." then I got near enough to see that it was an Ironman tattoo).
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Brilliant I'm going to nick that and adapt for the LEL FB page
But did you have to bring religion into it? ;)
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From the German Super Randonée page:
Optionally a finisher t-shirt can be ordered (also for non-finisher - the attempt alone deserves a reward ...) for the price of 18.- €.
http://www.ara-breisgau.de/superrandonnee/
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Happy to read this in the latest dispatches from LEL HQ:
Jerseys, gilets and t-shirts
If you want to order an event jersey, gilet, t-shirt or mug in time for the event, the last date to order is 14 May.
There will be a second order after the event, so if you want to try a jersey on not jinx your ride ;) before you buy one, you can see them at registration on 29 July.
I'm a UK rider though, I think if I was coming from overseas I'd buy a jersey whatever as it's a whole bigger experience.