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Title: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Bairn Again on 03 October, 2011, 05:03:38 pm
Anybody know a definitive date for this?

Im already planning summer hols etc for next year and dont want to miss it.

Im assuming its either 21 or 28 July 2012. 

I think next years date is shown on the results booklet but I didnt take part this year.

Cheers 
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 03 October, 2011, 05:06:25 pm
I asked this on their Facebook page (which is their only public "face"), but it's gone completely silent ever since.

You could PM blackburnrod (sp?), he was a frequent contributor here in July  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 03 October, 2011, 07:17:00 pm
It's July 21st and 22nd.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Bairn Again on 03 October, 2011, 08:19:11 pm
It's July 21st and 22nd.
thanks steve.

G. 
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Ray 6701 on 03 October, 2011, 10:10:38 pm
A month after Mille Alba  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 03 October, 2011, 10:21:39 pm
I seem to have arranged a team for the Elmet 12, so that's me out.  Pity.  Hopefully the rumour about the Sussex 24 in 2013 is true.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Bairn Again on 04 October, 2011, 09:13:18 am
A month after Mille Alba  :thumbsup:

about 7 weeks after mille Alba (for me!) - perfect.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 05 October, 2011, 12:39:18 am
I seem to have arranged a team for the Elmet 12, so that's me out.  Pity.  Hopefully the rumour about the Sussex 24 in 2013 is true.

There may be a (non CTT) 24 hr TT in August next year.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 05 October, 2011, 12:48:53 am
I seem to have arranged a team for the Elmet 12, so that's me out.  Pity.  Hopefully the rumour about the Sussex 24 in 2013 is true.

There may be a (non CTT) 24 hr TT in August next year.

Two problems with that:
1) My other main goal for the year will be the local crits (http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/road/article/roa20100724-Report--York-City-Centre-Races-0), which will clash with your 24 this year if I'm not mistaken. 
2) I'm afraid that I can't get inspired by the idea of riding round a 2 mile track 200 times.  Keep up the good work though!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: AndyH on 07 October, 2011, 05:26:55 pm
A month after Mille Alba  :thumbsup:

Perfect recovery time.

I'll be there, seems I have to defend this (http://www.bjw.org.uk/displayTrophy.asp?ID=28). Don't know if I should be  :smug: or  :-[ seeing as the previous holder did 125 miles more than me.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 28 November, 2011, 11:32:48 am
This event will probably be my next attempt at getting the club record.
Logistics will be a bit trickier with it being up north.
The course is meant to be flatter so should be easier to pace I guess.
I hope they have those big turn arrows like ESCA's 24 :)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: YahudaMoon on 14 March, 2012, 02:30:59 am
Im bumping this as I need links advice blah blah blah :)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: YahudaMoon on 14 March, 2012, 02:43:57 am
Just got my CTT handbook. It's ridiculous you need this thing

Why can't they publish this on line ? 
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 14 March, 2012, 09:02:07 am
Just got my CTT handbook. It's ridiculous you need this thing

Why can't they publish this on line ?
No point whingeing here - go to the CTT. Or timetriallingforum. They have their reasons, go and ask them.

(Actually most of us have ridden the 24 without even seeing a handbook! But it's a handy shortcut to certain info. )
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: YahudaMoon on 14 March, 2012, 12:59:23 pm
Just got my CTT handbook. It's ridiculous you need this thing

Why can't they publish this on line ?
No point whingeing here - go to the CTT. Or timetriallingforum. They have their reasons, go and ask them.

(Actually most of us have ridden the 24 without even seeing a handbook! But it's a handy shortcut to certain info. )

I know it was a winge.

 It's just that of recently Im spending lots of cash on cycling related stuff. I mean I've been cycling 24 years so you would have thought I wouldn't need much stuff / kit nowadays though it's the complete opposite and I still have a backlog of needs / wants :)

Cycling is cheap and saves you money >>>>>>>>>>>>

Who said that ?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: MattH on 08 April, 2012, 09:20:07 pm
I'll be there, seems I have to defend this (http://www.bjw.org.uk/displayTrophy.asp?ID=28). Don't know if I should be  :smug: or  :-[ seeing as the previous holder did 125 miles more than me.

I'm strongly considering entering, for the same reason. The one I'm holding was last given out in 2006, I'm the shortest distance on it and it was twice held by Dick Poole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Poole_(cyclist)). I think I need to do another and take it a bit more seriously (no hanging around in the overnight control chatting for half an hour, or behaving as though I'm on an Audax and queuing in Spar shops for food/water then having a kip in a bus shelter).
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: tonyh on 18 June, 2012, 06:12:42 am
Can anyone recommend a campsite handy for this please?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: tonyh on 19 June, 2012, 12:36:46 pm
Thanks Ross!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: blackburnrod on 19 June, 2012, 06:56:39 pm
You can camp on the field adjacent to the HQ before and after the event.Water is available,but toilet only during social club or HQ opening times.Pub meals in Farndon about 10 mins walk.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: tonyh on 20 June, 2012, 09:43:35 am
Excellent information. Many thanks.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 21 June, 2012, 05:17:38 pm
n.b.
" 21/07/12 24HR D24HR    13:00 NS SC
RTTC NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP (Mersey Roads Club)(Entries Close 26/06/12)
"

(suppose I better have a look at the 2012 new format entry form ...)
   
 
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Ian H on 21 June, 2012, 10:15:47 pm
n.b.
" 21/07/12 24HR D24HR    13:00 NS SC
RTTC NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP (Mersey Roads Club)(Entries Close 26/06/12)
"

(suppose I better have a look at the 2012 new format entry form ...)
   
 

You can now fill it out online then print and sign.
I've also entered a few IE events. They use SagePay.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: tonyh on 22 June, 2012, 04:58:14 am
Entered. (Didn't use a 2012 form, though. Hoping it's ok.)
Got my train tickets.
Better go out for a ride.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: eck on 29 June, 2012, 06:28:39 pm
Just a thought: seems like there are quite a few YACFers up for this entertainment. Would it make sense for support crews to join up, to support each other as well as us riders?

 Mrs eck will be there, hopefully bodach's pal Mike, perhaps Mr & Mrs Megajoules, and that nice Mr Jogler fancies his chances of spending another night with Mrs eck.  ???

Just thinking it might help the time pass, and spread the load a bit. What does the team think? :)

Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Ian H on 29 June, 2012, 07:29:05 pm
We'll have a support team of two or three. We've already had discussions with certain Scottish persons, so yes, could be a good idea.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: TOBY on 30 June, 2012, 10:44:49 am
I'm riding this year and have got a ChrisN doing support, unfortunately he's only available from 7pm so I'm keen to join together to get me help for the first 5/6hours and then add Chris to the crew pool for the night. Chris did support for me last year so knows what he's doing . . . he says  ;)

I've half mentioned this to Ian in the facebook realm, but here is probably better for general consumption.

 8)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 01 July, 2012, 08:07:45 pm
I've entered (my first 24) and a clubmate (who is not on YACF but who did 425 miles when he did the 24 in the 70's) has kindly offered to support me. 

I'm hoping that I can make his efforts worthwhile as I've not ridden as much this year and my first 25 mile TT of the year, this morning, was over five minutes off where I was at the end of last season.  I'm doing the 100 mile National Championships next weekend.  Not aiming for a time (I may well come last) but it's on the same course as the 24 so I'm using it to recce the roads.  Then I've got a 50 the following weekend, and I'll squeeze in one or two midweek 10s. 

Look forward to seeing some familiar faces up there.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: eck on 04 July, 2012, 10:52:22 pm
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Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Ian H on 04 July, 2012, 11:37:46 pm
Some problem with formatting or something leaves George, Marina Bloom and others sitting in a mess at the top, on the time trialling forum (http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=70267).
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 05 July, 2012, 12:13:52 am
I see that Ben Rockett, who set the LEJOGLE record a couple of years ago, is racing.  I wonder what he'll do?  How will John Warnock fare in his first veteran year?  I believe Ultan's going for a big total, will he make it?

I almost want to go over to spectate.  In fact, I'm only on the forum at midnight to practice my 24h sleep deprivation  :-\
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 July, 2012, 12:21:42 am
I see that Ben Rockett, who set the LEJOGLE record a couple of years ago, is racing.  I wonder what he'll do?  How will John Warnock fare in his first veteran year?  I believe Ultan's going for a big total, will he make it?

I almost want to go over to spectate.  In fact, I'm only on the forum at midnight to practice my 24h sleep deprivation  :-\

They always want Marshals, come and join us at Espley.
Valerio Zamboni from Monaco seems to be the most exotic. He seems to be competing in the world cup of ultracycling. http://www.ultracycling.com/sections/competitions/ultracup/
There's footage from the start of RAAM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y33SxSQr5Dg
He should join the VTTA.
http://ultracycling.com/sections/standings/my_standings.php?member_id=5911&year=2012
Ciao Valerio.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 07 July, 2012, 08:48:05 pm
Just a thought: seems like there are quite a few YACFers up for this entertainment. Would it make sense for support crews to join up, to support each other as well as us riders?

 Mrs eck will be there, hopefully bodach's pal Mike, perhaps Mr & Mrs Megajoules, and that nice Mr Jogler fancies his chances of spending another night with Mrs eck.  ???

Just thinking it might help the time pass, and spread the load a bit. What does the team think? :)

From my point of view as a rider without backup, it would be good if there was a feed station or two, especially on the night section. Support for unsuported riders has been on the decline since I sarted riding 24 hr TTs.
I don't know how many others will be without backup. Robert Watson I expect, who usualy rides with his saddlebag.
There will probably be the bag drop to Prees Heath again.


I think it might make sense for support teams to all chip in together, if done right. Ideally, you want to see your support at least every half hour. That allows for one food pick up and one drink pick up every hour. It'd definitely be better for riders. Most of the traffic, especially at night, seems to be support teams.

It is tricky to identify riders at night. If we have a large support team, it could be done the other way around. Set up a feed stations with signs saying what you are handing up and offer it to anyone who wants it.
The official bag drop will not hand up food or bottles to riders like they did when I began riding 24s. Elf'n'safety killed that off.
If we're handing stuff up, each rider may need to fill in the support car form at the start. Hopefully blackburnrod will be along to put us right if the idea does catch on.

I see that Chris Hopkinson is on the start list too.

Good to see pretty much a full field, which is quite rare in a TT these days, I believe.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Bairn Again on 08 July, 2012, 10:03:36 am
Im riding unsupported but I understand from Eck that Jogler will hold some stuff for me in his car (bottles, night garb, grub) at Prees which is about as much as I'll need.

Talking of which, better get out on the TT bike now and make sure its set up OK.

y lee g. 

(# 92)





Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: jogler on 08 July, 2012, 12:19:34 pm
Im riding unsupported but I understand from Eck that Jogler will hold some stuff for me in his car (bottles, night garb, grub) at Prees which is about as much as I'll need.

y lee g. 

(# 92)

That's correct.
No problem. I'll meet you at HQ before "the off" to sort your stuff into my car.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 09 July, 2012, 10:43:26 am
From my point of view as a rider without backup, it would be good if there was a feed station or two, especially on the night section. Support for unsuported riders has been on the decline since I sarted riding 24 hr TTs.
I don't know how many others will be without backup. Robert Watson I expect, who usualy rides with his saddlebag.
There will probably be the bag drop to Prees Heath again.
There was very good food on the night leg (at Espley, if I've got my islands right - so twice a lap). But no water, I don't know why.
(Water isn't a big problem at night, as a bottle (or two) every lap at the Prees cafe tap is sufficient).

It would be nice to get confirmation of 'official' arrangements such as the  (invisible) bag-drop at Prees Heath. i keep meaning to email 'rod...
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: andyp on 09 July, 2012, 11:18:03 am
Hi,
I'm on the start sheet too, #34, as a recent convert to audax, I thought this would be the only CC Weymouth Club record I could ever get - (it's currently vacant, so all i have to do get it, is finish  :) ) so entering seemed like a good idea at the time.

i've got a friend in a silver kangoo van RY06 BBX doing support, and he'll have spare water and food if anyone sees it in a moment of need... if anyone wants anything carrying, just ask.

2 questions (for now  :)) does anyone have a gpx of the course i could look at? and what time do people start arriving at the HQ on Saturday?

Andrew.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 09 July, 2012, 11:29:02 am
Map and other stuffs:
http://faffing.wordpress.com/mersey-roads-24h-riding-unsupported-faq/
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: TOBY on 09 July, 2012, 11:39:57 am
Anyone else staying at Wrexham Travelimbo on the friday?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: andyp on 09 July, 2012, 06:14:42 pm
Map and other stuffs:

Thanks, that's great.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 July, 2012, 06:40:15 pm
(Water isn't a big problem at night, as a bottle (or two) every lap at the Prees cafe tap is sufficient).

I've heard that there's also a tap at the petrol garage at Tern Hill roundabout. I certainly have seen riders around that garage on the night section.
I've never used it myself and have always used the water at Prees Island.
That could be handy for support crews to know, but I'd find out if it's true first. Garges often (but not always) have water taps.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 09 July, 2012, 08:40:00 pm
Have others had the start sheet through in the post yet?  I'm on the list on the TT forum but not received any other info.

I went up there to do the 100 yesterday which is on the same roads (60%+ of them, anyway) and I really liked the course.  It's also good to be able to visualise all the place names (Prees Island, etc). 

Mostly it is smooth tarmac.  There are a couple of stretches near to the southern end of the long section down towards Telford which are worn but not dangerous and there are a couple of potholes on what is otherwise a good surface on both sides of the roads about a mile west of Ternhill which would be unpleasant or worse if you hit them in the dark.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 10 July, 2012, 08:18:15 am
Mostly it is smooth tarmac.  There are a couple of stretches near to the southern end of the long section down towards Telford which are worn but not dangerous and there are a couple of potholes on what is otherwise a good surface on both sides of the roads about a mile west of Ternhill which would be unpleasant or worse if you hit them in the dark.
Thanks Frank. Sounds just like the last 2 times i rode.

(It would take enormous bad luck to hit those potholes, as you get to recce them a couple of times in the daylight. )
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jes on 11 July, 2012, 02:59:48 pm
Anyone else staying at Wrexham Travelimbo on the friday?

Yep. Gurl Trikie (No 7)  reporting for duty
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: tonyh on 11 July, 2012, 04:49:23 pm

I'll try and stay ahead of you for at least a mile or so!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 11 July, 2012, 04:56:28 pm
There are 6 SR holders (and gawd knows how many PBP* finishes!) in the first 9 starters. We should stop for a cake stop after 100k.

*should I wear my gilet? Hmmm ... I might get flashbacks .
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jes on 11 July, 2012, 05:58:39 pm
There are 6 SR holders (and gawd knows how many PBP* finishes!) in the first 9 starters. We should stop for a cake stop after 100k.

*should I wear my gilet? Hmmm ... I might get flashbacks .

CAIK....calling FBOAB!!

There are nine PBPs between my support crew. (Assasin and Ploddingpedro)
The biggest challenge may well be keeping Assasin out of the Raven Cafe long enough to chuck a bottle and a jaffa cake at me occasionally. ;) ;D

I'm looking forward to this event in a sick sort of way...

Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: eck on 11 July, 2012, 06:59:43 pm
I'm looking forward to this event in a sick sort of way...
+1

When I suggested YACFers got together to co-ordinate helpers, I wasn't thinking of anything so sophisticated as Teethgrinder proposed. I was just thinking that it might relieve the tedium for our helpers if they could congregate at the same spot at Prees so they could gather round a virtual camp fire and keep their spirits up with the odd chorus of Kum Ba Ya. Anyone up for that?

I'll be ably assisted by nice Mr Jogler and Mrs eck, as will Y Lee G, and the Bodach-McNasty tandem duo. I imagine Jogler  will have his HBFO Volvo as our HQ. Anyone short of support is welcome to join in.

We are staying on Friday night at the Chester South Holiday Inn, so are Bodach and McNasty (but not all in the same room)

And, finally, Mrs eck will be bringing CAIK.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 11 July, 2012, 07:09:22 pm
Prees Island always has a crowd. With 100 riders and all the suporters, there should be a good atmosphere on this event.

Mc Nasty in a Holiday Inn! :o
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Tomsk on 11 July, 2012, 09:39:29 pm
Its enough of a job to co-ordinate your own support team, but they will as always be instructed to assist any other riders, as and when they can.

Clapping, cheering and a bit of light-hearted abuse is good too ;D

Cakes will be baked next week :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Ian H on 11 July, 2012, 10:54:12 pm
The EWCC team should have two support vehicles, though only one person in each. I expect they'll introduce themselves with a view to concocting a Cunning Plan.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 12 July, 2012, 09:51:46 am
Clapping, cheering and a bit of light-hearted abuse is good too ;D
Something that I noticed last year (your head does odd things on a long ride) was sullen helpers standing on the kerbside in the middle of nowhere. Usually holding a bottle, just staring over my head down miles of empty road.

Seeing the same miserable sods lap-after-lap got a bit depressing. I hope they enjoyed their weekend.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: TOBY on 12 July, 2012, 10:32:19 am
Clapping, cheering and a bit of light-hearted abuse is good too ;D
Something that I noticed last year (your head does odd things on a long ride) was sullen helpers standing on the kerbside in the middle of nowhere. Usually holding a bottle, just staring over my head down miles of empty road.

Seeing the same miserable sods lap-after-lap got a bit depressing. I hope they enjoyed their weekend.

The same thought probably occurred to them . . .
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: TOBY on 12 July, 2012, 11:24:15 am
Anyone else staying at Wrexham Travelimbo on the friday?

Yep. Gurl Trikie (No 7)  reporting for duty

I'll be about from early evening after Chris has dropped me off, then looking for food - probably curry based to tempt fate.

----------------------------

 
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jes on 12 July, 2012, 07:16:28 pm
Anyone else staying at Wrexham Travelimbo on the friday?

Yep. Gurl Trikie (No 7)  reporting for duty

I'll be about from early evening after Chris has dropped me off, then looking for food - probably curry based to tempt fate.

----------------------------

Yes, let's meet up and go foraging although I might give the curry a miss as the last time I had curry and then tried to ride fast (relative term) I was very nearly  :sick: in the trike pilot's jersey pockets....

Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 13 July, 2012, 08:25:45 pm
I've just booked into "Kingsmarsh" on the A-road just E of Farndon. (Apparently a "scottish cyclist" is also booked in, and is a regular ... )

So I'd be up for grub+beer preferably East of Wrexham, but will travel for something special (!)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: eck on 13 July, 2012, 08:32:43 pm
I suspect that said "Scottish cyclist" is known to us. I think he is planning to hook up with Mrs eck, McNasty, bodach and me on Friday evening at the Chester South Hoddleday Inn.
How special it will be, I've no idea.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Ian H on 13 July, 2012, 09:06:32 pm
We're at the racecourse one.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Bairn Again on 15 July, 2012, 10:18:26 am
I suspect that said "Scottish cyclist" is known to us. I think he is planning to hook up with Mrs eck, McNasty, bodach and me on Friday evening at the Chester South Hoddleday Inn.
How special it will be, I've no idea.

aye thats me.  used it twice before (= a regular) and its very handy especially at the finish. 

Depending on when I actually get away from edinburgh on friday i might head to the travelodge for a catch up friday pm. 
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: MattH on 15 July, 2012, 11:27:49 pm
Just thinking about kit to take - what is the done thing with numbers if weather conditions mean you have to wear waterproofs?

Obviously safety pinning numbers onto the sleeves and back of a Goretex jacket isn't ideal, which means that if they still have to be on show then an older sacrificial jacket or a pertex showerproof one may be in order rather than a Welsh Audax quality one.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 16 July, 2012, 08:27:09 am
Gilet*!  I wore mine in the cooler periods, then over a thin rain-jacket when I got ill+cold, marshalls didn't moan at me and I didn't miss any laps - I think I put the back number on only.

Remember to shout your number at every marshall (even if they don't appear to be noting it - it's just a good habit  O:-) )

As the weather is almost bound to be showery this year I'm open to further suggestions - you could waste a lot of time climbing in and out of various layers.

(I wouldn't stick pins in Pertex, surely it's no more pinproof than Goretex?)


*I use mine on (part of) every Audax, it's just habit now.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Tomsk on 16 July, 2012, 08:35:33 am
+1 = PBP gilet, over whatever is right for the temparature and degree of wetness. The most I've ever worn on a wet summer tt is relective gilet over waterproof gilet over jersey, arm-warmers etc, but its reassuring to have the option of full waterproofs, maybe even rainlegs - if cold AND wet etc....

I might even wear sandals :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: MattH on 16 July, 2012, 09:17:46 am
(I wouldn't stick pins in Pertex, surely it's no more pinproof than Goretex?)

The thinking there is that I have an Altura pertex-style jacket that I don't tend to wear at all - except very rarely when MTBing when I don't want to risk my proper waterproofs. As it really only acts as additional windproofing when properly wet then I'd not be worried about a couple of pin holes.

But if marshalls are happy with a single number visible on your back in poor weather (given that you get into the habit of yelling numbers anyway) then a proper waterproof and PBP hiviz may be the way.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 16 July, 2012, 01:17:00 pm
Anyone that knows me will unsurprised by this topic:
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=70653&view=getnewpost

For anyone that isn't bored by the issue:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jes on 16 July, 2012, 02:05:17 pm
Does anyone have a route sheet, start sheet or event HQ info yet?

Was expecting something on the email or by post but nothing as yet and it's getting a little bit close...

The RTTC site doesn't have course details or HQ details and that's what I need.

Please post or PM if you can help

Thank you

Trikie in a Tizz
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Bairn Again on 16 July, 2012, 02:13:33 pm
Does anybody know the times at which riders will be switched between the circuits?

From memory riders switch from Quina to Shawbirch at about 21.30, back again about 7.30am then off to the finish circuit about 10.30am.   

Im off at 14.32 (#92) significantly later start than opn previous occasions = more time on the lumpier finish circuit.

ps - Matt - I understand from Exit Stage left that riders use a particular confuguration of flashing / non flashing  front lights so that support crews know that its "their rider" approaching as they peer down the road in the dark.   

pps - start sheet here       http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge390__geka=8sW2Q7VKZmF8CUWP7ygm7riwpLFKNCEAIlX03Hp4_FhPDrktfqfkoQzxx15QQk__LJO6vHkx-_V4xg5asR2FWg&ge390__gevi=bkosVTEcmXX5ekdECVvBmA&gv391__gvac=2&gv391__gvff0=4071&gv391__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=62

route sheet here - http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=4jdSR0pDqjQ%3d&tabid=202

theres no info controls  ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jes on 16 July, 2012, 02:21:07 pm
[route sheet here - http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=4jdSR0pDqjQ%3d&tabid=202

theres no info controls  ;)
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 ;D ;D

You can tell I'm new at this TT stuff.
No CAIK stops either .....what's that all about?

Thank you for links.

Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: TOBY on 16 July, 2012, 02:24:04 pm
also handy is Oranj's Flickr Map http://www.flickr.com/photos/oranjh/3752418410/
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: TOBY on 16 July, 2012, 02:25:12 pm
Anyone else staying at Wrexham Travelimbo on the friday?

Yep. Gurl Trikie (No 7)  reporting for duty

I'll be about from early evening after Chris has dropped me off, then looking for food - probably curry based to tempt fate.

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Yes, let's meet up and go foraging although I might give the curry a miss as the last time I had curry and then tried to ride fast (relative term) I was very nearly  :sick: in the trike pilot's jersey pockets....

Chinese it is then  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jes on 16 July, 2012, 02:30:57 pm
Anyone else staying at Wrexham Travelimbo on the friday?

Yep. Gurl Trikie (No 7)  reporting for duty

I'll be about from early evening after Chris has dropped me off, then looking for food - probably curry based to tempt fate.

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Yes, let's meet up and go foraging although I might give the curry a miss as the last time I had curry and then tried to ride fast (relative term) I was very nearly  :sick: in the trike pilot's jersey pockets....

Chinese it is then  :thumbsup:

 ;D Perfect!!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Ian H on 16 July, 2012, 02:31:43 pm

No CAIK stops either ..

Er...remind me who's supporting you.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 16 July, 2012, 02:34:20 pm
ps - Matt - I understand from Exit Stage left that riders use a particular confuguration of flashing / non flashing  front lights so that support crews know that its "their rider" approaching as they peer down the road in the dark.   

Good point, but I saw at least one with just a flashing front. I don't know how he rode with it. It was aimed about 3' infront of him so was no bother to other road-users - except perhaps those affected by strobes!

But anyway, it's the over-bright stuff that is the real problem. As i said, flashers are more of a problem in the bunches on PBP etc.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 16 July, 2012, 03:14:04 pm
ps - Matt - I understand from Exit Stage left that riders use a particular confuguration of flashing / non flashing  front lights so that support crews know that its "their rider" approaching as they peer down the road in the dark.   




It tends to work better the other way round, with the support vehicle displaying a distinctive pattern of lights, so the rider can recognise it. The serious contenders are passed by their support vehicles every 10 miles, which the rules allow, so the rider doesn't always know where they will be. The Mersey Roads course has become more compact, so many support crews stay at set points, at Prees Heath for the Quina Brook circuit and Espley for the night circuit.
The night circuit tends to close between 7 and 8am, and riders might be turned round at Tern Hill or Espley, and not head down to Shawbirch, that's especially true of slower riders. It's easy to lose track of riders at that point, and when they're sent down to the finishing circuit, especially when you have more than one rider to look after. Regarding cake, the favoured item is Egg Custards, which are dispensed at the Espley feed, along with bacon rolls.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 16 July, 2012, 03:24:09 pm
Totally OT:
A petrol-head friend did a 24hr kart race. Lighting was not great on much of the circuit, the karts were identical, as were many of the protective overalls and helmets. They ended up attaching bike lights (flashing red LEDS mainly) to their kart to solve the problem of spotting their rider driver approaching the pits.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 17 July, 2012, 01:07:50 pm
Anyone that knows me will unsurprised by this topic:
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=70653&view=getnewpost

It really has kicked off big time over there. Never before have I been insulted by such a high-profile rider - great stuff! If you like a good online spat, please have a look. Li****ng-related rants should perhaps be ring-fenced over there too.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 17 July, 2012, 01:25:15 pm
Hoppo has always been a loudmouth without any thought behind it.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 17 July, 2012, 01:49:36 pm
The controversy of bike lighting. Who woulda thunk it? Anyway >>>

I've got Rockett's book - I've not read it yet, probably a bit late now.

No Wilko this year? Anyone else nervous about this? I keep racking my brain trying to think of stuff I need.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jasmine on 17 July, 2012, 02:11:28 pm
It just goes to show, not all the knob-heads are on YACF.

 ;D

I don't think he has grasped Matt's point at all. 

Matt - I think he'll be coming to headbutt you on Saturday, or at least to shine his lights in your eyes.  It's a good job he will be easy to spot by his enormous willy that he will be waving in everyone's face.  I think the "First ever British finisher of RAAM" tattoo on him (presumably) will be a giveaway too.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 July, 2012, 02:19:36 pm
It's worth remembering that the operational headquarters for the Mersey roads is the Raven Transport Cafe, so the organisers get strong feedback from truck drivers. The peak time for trucks is about 11pm to 3am, which seems to coincide with the Holyhead Ferry. The Irish drivers prefer to use the A41 over the M6 to save fuel, as they are used to driving on A roads. Irish lorries usually have at least 4 large lights over the cab in addition to the usual complement, and might have as many as 14 headlights. It's a fairly awe-inspiring sight as they loom over the horizon, as you see the top lights before the driver sees you. I've usually found them to be considerate, as they alert each other to the hazard by CB radio.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/stewart2072/DSC_0125.jpg)

The worst case scenario is a truck being distracted by bright lights as it passes a cyclist on this section of the A41.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Prees+Heath&hl=en&ll=52.902339,-2.625803&spn=0.039035,0.061884&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=9.794837,15.842285&oq=Prees+Heath&t=h&hnear=Prees+Heath,+Shropshire,+United+Kingdom&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.902339,-2.625803&panoid=vpASzFNWuA-rOcNxeXDDlg&cbp=12,107.6,,0,6.87
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 17 July, 2012, 02:26:03 pm
It just goes to show, not all the knob-heads are on YACF.

 ;D

I don't think he has grasped Matt's point at all. 

Matt - I think he'll be coming to headbutt you on Saturday, or at least to shine his lights in your eyes.  It's a good job he will be easy to spot by his enormous willy that he will be waving in everyone's face.  I think the "First ever British finisher of RAAM" tattoo on him (presumably) will be a giveaway too.

I don't see you on the start list.  Is that just timing or are you still not recovered?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 July, 2012, 02:29:23 pm
It's a good idea to wear a cap at night, or to have a brim on a helmet which can shield your eyes against full beam. After the first few bright lights the motorists get pissed off and don't dip.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jasmine on 17 July, 2012, 02:48:44 pm

I don't see you on the start list.  Is that just timing or are you still not recovered?

Not recovered - I thought it was going reasonably well but the shitty weather has really slowed recovery.  The joints on my right side do not appreciate being wet or cold for any period of time; major pain for long rides in the permarain of North Wales.  I also seem to have entirely lost theability to hold a tuck for more than 20 minutes.  Even 10 milers result in me walking around like a wisened old man afterwards until someone pops me into upright.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 17 July, 2012, 03:56:40 pm
Sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 17 July, 2012, 04:24:18 pm
possible DNF here - my sides may have split after jasmine's tattoo comment. Well worth it though.

(GWS Jasmine, don't rush it. and stop falling off!).
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: MattH on 18 July, 2012, 11:58:16 am
Anyone that knows me will unsurprised by this topic:
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=70653&view=getnewpost

It really has kicked off big time over there. Never before have I been insulted by such a high-profile rider - great stuff! If you like a good online spat, please have a look. Li****ng-related rants should perhaps be ring-fenced over there too.

Hmm, seems to have quietened down now. Perhaps time for me to ask about wearing a cap vs a helmet?  :demon:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 18 July, 2012, 12:03:59 pm
BTDTGTTS, some guy chose to post some choice words about the video of me starting the Nat. 25 without a helmet or rear light!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 12:33:05 pm
Is headwear as controversial to twentyfourites as lighting?

God help the person asking about food choices...
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: jogler on 18 July, 2012, 12:52:46 pm
or getting lost :demon:

Seriously,is going off-course something that happens?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: MattH on 18 July, 2012, 01:18:46 pm
Is headwear as controversial to twentyfourites as lighting?

Depends if you combine it with mounting options for lights?

Would I be better with a cotton cap and a Petzl XP2, or a helmet with dual MTB-spec flood beam Ayups mounted on its vents?

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God help the person asking about food choices...

I'll take whatever they hand up to me as I pass...


I'm resigned to being looked upon with disdain anyway, as I'll be wearing a cotton cap, using a dynohub front light with a properly shaped beam and carrying everything I need in a saddlebag. I may even have a kip in a bus shelter, like I did on the Sussex one last year. Thinking of which, are there any good quality shelters on the route? Is this something that the TT forumers would know?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jasmine on 18 July, 2012, 01:20:48 pm
or getting lost :demon:

Seriously,is going off-course something that happens?

No.  There's a marshall on every junction.  Going off route will get you disqualified, as in every time trial.

There are local regulations in some places about the requirement for a rear light on all TTs, even in good light.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 July, 2012, 01:40:52 pm
or getting lost :demon:

Seriously,is going off-course something that happens?

No.  There's a marshall on every junction.  Going off route will get you disqualified, as in every time trial.


The main problem on the Mersey roads is people going into the Raven cafe to relieve themselves or to get a full English breakfast. If you miss the marshals on the way out it causes havoc with the recording. The important thing to remember is that the course you do will be different to others, so you have to have your numbers visible at all times and shout your number to marshals.

 Problems really start if you spend more time off the bike than the circuit you are on. The organisers then wonder if you've just been missed and might credit you with distance you haven't done. People have gone off course due to marshalling mistakes and been credited with the extra distance, it happened to Gethin Butler in 1997 when he overshot the Muller Island roundabout in Market Drayton.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Dinamo on 18 July, 2012, 01:50:22 pm
or getting lost :demon:

Seriously,is going off-course something that happens?

Have transponders / GPS units never been considered ?
In respect to calculating mileages.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 July, 2012, 02:00:09 pm
or getting lost :demon:

Seriously,is going off-course something that happens?

Have transponders / GPS units never been considered ?
In respect to calculating mileages.

You'd need at least two receivers on most roundabouts. A the Prees Heath roundabout it would involve laying a receiving mat across two lanes of an active trunk road with a high level of HGV use. So if it has been considered I'd expect that it wasn't for long, some sort of GPS tracking might work though.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 02:25:40 pm
or getting lost :demon:
Seriously,is going off-course something that happens?

I was really worried about that before the ESCA but it didn't happen and that was a more complicated course I reckon.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Dinamo on 18 July, 2012, 02:26:14 pm
or getting lost :demon:

Seriously,is going off-course something that happens?

Have transponders / GPS units never been considered ?
In respect to calculating mileages.

You'd need at least two receivers on most roundabouts. A the Prees Heath roundabout it would involve laying a receiving mat across two lanes of an active trunk road with a high level of HGV use. So if it has been considered I'd expect that it wasn't for long, some sort of GPS tracking might work though.

On a recent sportive the organisers handed out a small GPS unit to each rider to carry, about the size of a matchbox.
The operating system / GPS used was 'Flaik' - google for more info

Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 02:37:41 pm
I'm taking my Garmin 800 this year and yelling my number so I don't lose mileage like last year. I'm hoping a full GPS track might help if I have to beg for my laps back again.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 18 July, 2012, 02:44:57 pm
I'm taking my Garmin 800 this year and yelling my number so I don't lose mileage like last year. I'm hoping a full GPS track might help if I have to beg for my laps back again.

Something of that order happened to me on the Sussex.  I think I passed through the start of the circuit quite close to the cutoff time and got directed around it again by the marshals, who were moved onto the next circuit just afterwards so I didn't get my lap clocked.  I did get it back on appeal, thankfully.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: MattH on 18 July, 2012, 02:51:26 pm
If GPS units are reasonably affordable for the organisers to hire, then I could see that being useful as a backup to the marshals' count - i.e. do a calculation as normal, then compare to the GPS. If the two match (to GPS tolerance) then accept it and move on. Only if the figures don't match does any additional time need to be given to double and triple checking the counts, with perhaps examination of the GPS log showing where the count is out with a missed/gained lap etc.

But not having helped on the admin side of one of these, I have no idea how helpful or not that would be, compared to the cost of hiring the magic boxes.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 18 July, 2012, 02:53:30 pm
There was a page of Cycling Weakly last year that was devoted to Wilko complaining that they should have chip timing for the 24.  If you remember, his record ride also had to have a lap added on appeal.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 03:02:21 pm
My little plaque only says 405mi.. I did closer to 450. Ended up credited with 425. I would've been upset had I broken the club record but lost it due to a miscount. Luckily I was off the record.

How much would the chip timing cost? It's not infallible - Dragon Ride had a lot of trouble one year with theirs.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 18 July, 2012, 03:15:26 pm
Now that's interesting.  I did 390, lost a lap, got it back (see the CTT website) but my plaque then only said 368. 

My club record is 507, so I have absolutely zero hope of ever beating that!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 03:18:44 pm
I was only ~20k short of the Willesden record. I really don't want to do all this training again so I hope to smash it this year.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: thesloth on 18 July, 2012, 03:26:22 pm
I'm taking my Garmin 800 this year and yelling my number so I don't lose mileage like last year. I'm hoping a full GPS track might help if I have to beg for my laps back again.

Be warned the Garmin 800 has a known bug where it sometimes corrupts long activities (seems to happen around the 400km mark).
I recall seeing a bit more info on it in "The Knowledge -> GPS" & on the Garmin forums.
I normally reset mine every 300km or so and then fuse the two or more activity files at the end as explained in this thread: http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=52390.msg1236155#msg1236155
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: MattH on 18 July, 2012, 03:35:46 pm
The largest mileage on our club trophy (not necessarily the record) is ~ 100 miles more than I did last year. I think that's safe for a while as no-one else in the club is interested in anything longer than a 100.

This year I've been concentrating on my tapering and carbo loading; I think I've excelled at both. I've had some illness then moved house this year, so I've missed all my usual long rides - meaning that the 24 will likely be my longest ride since January. Entering the 24 was really an excuse to get some miles in, rather than because I think I'm going to do well this year. But to be comparative with last year I'm going to do it completely unsupported again.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 04:04:15 pm
I'm taking my Garmin 800 this year and yelling my number so I don't lose mileage like last year. I'm hoping a full GPS track might help if I have to beg for my laps back again.

Be warned the Garmin 800 has a known bug where it sometimes corrupts long activities (seems to happen around the 400km mark).
I recall seeing a bit more info on it in "The Knowledge -> GPS" & on the Garmin forums.
I normally reset mine every 300km or so and then fuse the two or more activity files at the end as explained in this thread: http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=52390.msg1236155#msg1236155

I had read about that. I've not ridden far enough with it to have it happen I don't think.

How do you get it to reset? Hold down Reset for 5 seconds?
This will clear distance though, won't it? My brain will struggle to add back on the 300k.. :)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: thesloth on 18 July, 2012, 04:19:43 pm

How do you get it to reset? Hold down Reset for 5 seconds?
This will clear distance though, won't it? My brain will struggle to add back on the 300k.. :)

Yes - a hold down Lap/Reset button, which will zero distance.
You could reset the odometer on the Garmin before you start and just display that as total distance.

I know what you mean about brain struggles, I could hardly remember my own name towards the end of the last 24.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 04:35:30 pm
How do you get it to reset? Hold down Reset for 5 seconds?
This will clear distance though, won't it? My brain will struggle to add back on the 300k.. :)
Yes - a hold down Lap/Reset button, which will zero distance.
You could reset the odometer on the Garmin before you start and just display that as total distance.
I know what you mean about brain struggles, I could hardly remember my own name towards the end of the last 24.

The Odo reset sounds sensible: Menu -> wrench->Bike settings->Bike Profiles ->Bike x ->Bike Details ->Odometer

Maybe I should learn more about this thing before the race :)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 July, 2012, 04:42:22 pm
New 24 riders might like to remember that a lot of computers stop after 10 or 12 hours, meaning that average speeds can go into error. You then reset your computer to be able to display average speed and lose your distance. It's worth making a note of your odometer distance on the line so you know how far you've gone at the end. I stick a piece of tape on the top tube and use a CD pen.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 04:44:59 pm
I'm running two computers anyway. Powertap and Garmin 800 w/ Powermonkey.
Set the Powertap to record every 2s instead of 1s and it will last 30 hours.
The Garmin should last 24hr with the extended battery pack but this will be the only test I've done.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 July, 2012, 04:49:25 pm
I'm running two computers anyway. Powertap and Garmin 800 w/ Powermonkey.
Set the Powertap to record every 2s instead of 1s and it will last 30 hours.
The Garmin should last 24hr with the extended battery pack but this will be the only test I've done.

I think it's entirely possible that some of the other riders might be running to tighter budgets than that.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 05:09:52 pm
I'm running two computers anyway. Powertap and Garmin 800 w/ Powermonkey.
Set the Powertap to record every 2s instead of 1s and it will last 30 hours.
The Garmin should last 24hr with the extended battery pack but this will be the only test I've done.
I think it's entirely possible that some of the other riders might be running to tighter budgets than that.

True though the Garmin was free and a few riders in the ESCA were on bikes worth 5x my Planet-X.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 18 July, 2012, 06:58:52 pm
My little plaque only says 405mi.. I did closer to 450. Ended up credited with 425. I would've been upset had I broken the club record but lost it due to a miscount. Luckily I was off the record.

How much would the chip timing cost? It's not infallible - Dragon Ride had a lot of trouble one year with theirs.
reliabilty is the issue (or so the experts tell me). A failed GPS tracker (or timing chip) is probably utterly mute - at least with the 19thC system you should only lose a small part of the data at worst, and this is usually fixable by reconciling with other records.

Have you ridden the current Mersey course? It really is a LOT more error-proof (in both ways) than the 2011 ESCA course.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 18 July, 2012, 07:10:31 pm
No Wilko this year?

I'd be surprised if I ever saw him ride another 24. From what I gather, he doesn't especially enjoy racing, at least, he much prefers touring. So if he races, it's all or nothing and I think that he only goes for records. I was gald that he did another 24 after his 1997 record breaking ride because that was a pretty bad day and I knew he could do more miles. I reckoned he'd do 535, but he managed a few extra!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 18 July, 2012, 07:16:27 pm
Predictions for this year TG? Is Warnock favourite?

(after Hoppo, obviously - he's a shoe-in, maybe 560 miles?)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 18 July, 2012, 07:24:20 pm
BTDTGTTS, some guy chose to post some choice words about the video of me starting the Nat. 25 without a helmet or rear light!

I think that's just the world of cycle racing and probably sportives too. I had it mentioned about my lack of headwear and rear light while being held up to start a club 10, one sunny day a year or so ago. It didn't bother me. If they want to make an issue of it, then I'll retire as club TT sec and stop riding club events.
They tend to be pretty cool in 24s. I'd guess that 24s have the highest proportion of non helmeted TTers than any other distance. I think it's mainly some of the top end riders using aero hats to gain extra speed.

There was a page of Cycling Weakly last year that was devoted to Wilko complaining that they should have chip timing for the 24.  If you remember, his record ride also had to have a lap added on appeal.
My little plaque only says 405mi.. I did closer to 450. Ended up credited with 425. I would've been upset had I broken the club record but lost it due to a miscount. Luckily I was off the record.

How much would the chip timing cost? It's not infallible - Dragon Ride had a lot of trouble one year with theirs.

They did seem to struggle quite a bit, getting the distances for the National last year. It took them a fair while to agree who should be on the podium and have a vague idea of their mileage.
But with the Mersey, they are the old hands who have been doing this for years, probably decades and are well drilled. They will make a few mistakes on the day, but they iron those out when they check over everything and come up with the final results about a week or so later.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 18 July, 2012, 07:43:19 pm
Predictions for this year TG? Is Warnock favourite?

(after Hoppo, obviously - he's a shoe-in, maybe 560 miles?)


I don't really follow TTing. But Warnock is the obvious choice for me. If it wasn't for Wilko, he'd be the record holder. I think he'd make a very good challenger for the End to End.
It's a shame that Sean Childs isn't riding. He's been close to 500 once or twice and I reckon he could do it one day.
I reckon David Shepherd might come 2nd. But, as I say, I'm out of touch with TTing, so there's probably a few fasties there that I don't know about.

Lynne Taylor has to be the favourite for the ladies. I wouldn't be surprised if she is aiming for Chritine Robert's record of 461. Lynne was within 2 miles of it a few years ago, in spite of 2 punctures!

I'm glad to see Hoppo riding again. It's good to have people with character riding and I'll be interested to see how and what he does after riding RAAM several years ago. He rides how he writes. Very bold and balshy and absolutely no let up. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 18 July, 2012, 07:48:16 pm
I may even have a kip in a bus shelter, like I did on the Sussex one last year. Thinking of which, are there any good quality shelters on the route?

None that I can think of. Your best bet is a doze at the Raven Cafe. I have heard whispers of a tent at Hodnet, but that is just speculation as far as I know and not to be relied on.

I'm off the caffeine and am getting my sleep, so hopefully, I won't be having any trouble with that. Plus I'll have several tins of stimulant drink to help me chase the long line of red lights through the weary hours.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 08:49:15 pm
My little plaque only says 405mi.. I did closer to 450. Ended up credited with 425. I would've been upset had I broken the club record but lost it due to a miscount. Luckily I was off the record.
How much would the chip timing cost? It's not infallible - Dragon Ride had a lot of trouble one year with theirs.
reliabilty is the issue (or so the experts tell me). A failed GPS tracker (or timing chip) is probably utterly mute - at least with the 19thC system you should only lose a small part of the data at worst, and this is usually fixable by reconciling with other records.

Have you ridden the current Mersey course? It really is a LOT more error-proof (in both ways) than the 2011 ESCA course.

Yeah, I test rode the course a few weeks ago. Much simpler than the ESCA but perhaps more boring and more busy A roads.

I was going to mention your 'not more than 600k' signature but it seems you've changed it :)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 18 July, 2012, 08:54:02 pm
Predictions for this year TG? Is Warnock favourite?

(after Hoppo, obviously - he's a shoe-in, maybe 560 miles?)

I understand from the twittersphere that Roger Clarke is embarking on a record attempt.

Club Record, I believe, like me. I've been speaking to one of his helpers about it.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: jogler on 18 July, 2012, 10:11:30 pm
The weather forecast is warm with little rain over Sat & Sunday
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 18 July, 2012, 11:51:58 pm
Even looks like a mild night :)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 19 July, 2012, 08:27:16 am
I was going to mention your 'not more than 600k' signature but it seems you've changed it :)
Good spot. It was actually in reference to Audaxes (cos I'm deliberately avoiding a 1000+ this year), so distances recorded under TT conditions don't really count. ( But that's not why I changed my sig ;) )
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 19 July, 2012, 11:04:02 am
The weather forecast is warm with little rain over Sat & Sunday

Unfortunately, I've never experienced an accurate forecast in this country. 
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 19 July, 2012, 02:18:57 pm
No Wilko this year?

I'd be surprised if I ever saw him ride another 24. From what I gather, he doesn't especially enjoy racing, at least, he much prefers touring. So if he races, it's all or nothing and I think that he only goes for records. I was gald that he did another 24 after his 1997 record breaking ride because that was a pretty bad day and I knew he could do more miles. I reckoned he'd do 535, but he managed a few extra!

He's actually doing a fair bit at shorter distances right now.  Here (http://www.ctt.org.uk/Home/tabid/36/itemid/3118/Default.aspx) is what he's doing at the weekend: not content with 24, he's doing a 25!  He also raced the northern MTTs, the Teesdale and the Tyneside, this year; I spoke to him at the end and told him I was relieved to finish less than 150 miles behind him like last time  ;)

I can't see him ever doing another 24 either.  He's got the record and afaik he's happy with his distance, so why put himself through all that again?

In his videos, he says himself that he always knew he could do better than his 1997 record. 
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: blackburnrod on 19 July, 2012, 09:39:25 pm
There will probably be a course change on Sunday morning as it is expected that the A41 between Broxton and Handley will be closed for roadwork.If this is so the riders returning to the finishing circuit will be turned left at Broxton RAB and proceed for about 2.2 mile to turn right to join the original circuit.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 19 July, 2012, 11:11:20 pm
I don't really follow TTing. But Warnock is the obvious choice for me.

TBH, keeping in touch with the TT scene wouldn't be much of a guide to John Warnock's form  - I've not seen his name on a significant race all year (although he may have been riding club events). Still the favourite though

I remember 2 years ago at the start, John told me that this (The Mersey 24) was his first TT this year as he'd been concentrating on getting the miles in. The year before that he almost rode 500 miles, but slowed down at the end and fell short. But that year he was very strong all the way to the finish, ending up with 520.
I wonder if he's been getting the miles in instead? I think that he also did a lot of his long rides with his clubmate, Simon Bever, who I think came 2nd and is also riding this year.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Tomsk on 20 July, 2012, 09:01:25 am
John Warnock rode the 'Asparagus & Strawberries' 400km in the spring. [I have taken over organising from Herman Ramsey.] JW was well ahead of time at most if not all of the controls and at the finish [at silly o'clock] then rode home. This is the only tiime a rider has beaten the minimum time, in my 3 years as an organiser of calendar events. On an audax, carrying lots of extra stuff, faffing at cafes, navigating laney routes etc, its very hard to average more than 30kph overall.  I couldn't validate his card, but he was ok about that, saying he was only interested in getting the miles in. Certainly did that!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 20 July, 2012, 10:01:36 am
Ha ha. ;D

I think it's a shame that Audax rules invalidated his ride but I'm of the opinion that I'd rather not have a minimum time limit. I doubt that he was trying very hard. Anglia is easy cycling country though and in spite of laney routes (like some of the Mersey 24 finish circuit) I will always gear up my fixer and ride faster.
Sounds like John could take a tip from Gethin Butler by starting the event about an hour late.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: TOBY on 20 July, 2012, 11:06:21 am
Right I'm heading up to Wrexham, see people at the TL tonight or tomorrow at the start  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Tomsk on 20 July, 2012, 02:06:38 pm
  See y'all at the start - tho' we might be a wee bit pre-occupied.

  Good Luck to all the riders and their helpers and a special 'Chapeau' to those riding unsupported. I've done that once and despite treating it as just another self-sufficient Audax, found it damned hard. A well-drilled support team is a great morale-booster and motivator.

  Got in the Red Bull to keep the Teenage Directeur Sportif going thru' the night ;D Mrs Tomsk will take over in the morning when he wilts!

  There should be a trophy for un-supported long distance TT-ing - Mersey RC has a trophy for just about everything else  ;D. Sponsored by AUK?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 20 July, 2012, 03:32:03 pm
  There should be a trophy for un-supported long distance TT-ing -

There has been a prize (but not a trophy) before.
The money came in very handy. :smug:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Tomsk on 20 July, 2012, 09:00:02 pm
  There should be a trophy for un-supported long distance TT-ing -

There has been a prize (but not a trophy) before.
The money came in very handy. :smug:

 :thumbsup:
Excellent, well done!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Rhys W on 21 July, 2012, 04:30:42 pm
Right I'm heading up to Wrexham, see people at the TL tonight or tomorrow at the start  :thumbsup:

Good luck Cardiff Ajax!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 21 July, 2012, 05:32:52 pm
A pre start and start scene setting video from the Mersey Roads 24. The big news is no John Warnock, so the likely winners are from Shepherd, Bevor, Coyle and Hopkinson. Zamboni, the UMCA world Champion provides international interest.
http://youtu.be/M3IStTBjNdY
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 22 July, 2012, 08:45:45 pm
Provisional Results (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge1246__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQr0ELd7vY1GJQywTngQ2oPU-2R7Wo4ht6aSrM95O4UZpI&ge1246__gevi=88wYyVrPIQYiquKdVCLogWdN0npFp9ZxcBX1xK1JXlEENDQssStyIMkAApIzCfAy&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=57573&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109)

Here are a few of the interesting ones

1: Ultan Coyle 488.993
7: Steven Abraham 448.193
11: Toby Hopper 432.663
18: Matthew Scholes 418.382
30: Ian Hennessey 405.286
39: Matt Chambers 380.481
41: Frank Proud 378.320
54: Ross Bentley-Davies 352.224
56: Matthew Haigh 346.684

Berwick/Jurcyx (TAN): 362.611


Well done Ultan, and everyone else on good rides!

TG and MattC both look like they've had a particularly good year.  Does this signify a wholesale conversion to gears Steve?  :P
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: clarion on 22 July, 2012, 09:40:23 pm
Yeah, but he still hasn't done a RAAM ;)

Great riding by all.  Very impressive.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Tim Hall on 22 July, 2012, 09:42:34 pm
Can we have a translation of the results table please?

Pos, rider, club are clear enough.

Time? Don't understand that one, as it's a fixed time rather than fixed distance.

N1 seems to be overall distance.

N2. Age category?  But what does "V 44 A" mean for example?

N3. Is that the 12 hour distance?

(Mind boggling distances though)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Peter on 22 July, 2012, 09:43:40 pm
Mohammad Leghari seems to have got pacing sorted out and he's only 21!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 22 July, 2012, 09:44:55 pm
Chris Hopkinson BRITAINS FIRST EVER RAAM SOLO FINISHER: 432.506

Right, I need to ride 433 next year.  I'll do it with a pair of Never Readies  ;D

Apparently Ultan's distance may be upgraded to 496.  Amazing!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 22 July, 2012, 09:48:13 pm
Rider
Club
Time to first 100 miles
Total distance
Age*
12 hour distance

*V means they're a member of the VTTA
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: marcusjb on 22 July, 2012, 10:24:43 pm
Well done to everyone! Looks like some very strong performances. Impressive stuff.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 23 July, 2012, 12:34:09 am
It was announced prior to the presentation that the result was very provisional, There'd been two computer crashes on the way to the provisional, and there were a lot of scratching of heads in the hall.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 23 July, 2012, 08:14:27 am
It was announced prior to the presentation that the result was very provisional, There'd been two computer crashes on the way to the provisional, and there were a lot of scratching of heads in the hall.

I've just sent the org an email as they seem to have missed one of my laps.  I measured my distance at 392.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 23 July, 2012, 08:24:03 am
There has been a prize (but not a trophy) before.
The money came in very handy. :smug:

I didn't get anything for my 461 miles in 2006, perhaps they didn't think you could ride that far unsupported.

I got very lucky. I can't remember any other 24s where there was a prize for fastest unasisted rider and this one coincided with me getting my PB.


Does this signify a wholesale conversion to gears Steve?  :P

I am allready planning on digging out my old frames for repair and going to see Mr Yates about building me a frame or two for gears.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: L CC on 23 July, 2012, 08:32:22 am
Can we have a big up for one Jane Swain Tri W 333 miles?


Well done Jes!


Also one-of-us is #32 TabTT with 389. "training" on Hereward the Wake is what put her up there ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 23 July, 2012, 08:33:28 am
Another one to add in is Tomsk at 406. 
Well done, Tom!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 23 July, 2012, 08:36:46 am
It was announced prior to the presentation that the result was very provisional, There'd been two computer crashes on the way to the provisional, and there were a lot of scratching of heads in the hall.

I've just sent the org an email as they seem to have missed one of my laps.  I measured my distance at 392.
I got a 39.5 mile lap 'back' between 3pm and this morning, so you'll probably be fine (presumably that's a QB lap? I think there were 2 timekeepers, on that loop, but possibly more.) It would be nice if the orgs made it clear where  they take numbers. Apart from the one bloke shouting 'number' in the dark, I was never sure who the number takers were. Lots of people with hi-viz and/or clipboards, number-takers not at the roundabout they were at 2 hours ago ... bit confusing  :-\
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jasmine on 23 July, 2012, 09:26:47 am
MattC did an awesome ride - a PB by nearly 60 miles. 

I think he was holding himself back to make sure he didn't end up doing far enough to qualify for RAAM  ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: otherdave on 23 July, 2012, 09:32:18 am
Another two to add

ECK  with 406.674  :thumbsup:
   
YLEEG with 284.469  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 23 July, 2012, 09:47:51 am
I got a 39.5 mile lap 'back' between 3pm and this morning, so you'll probably be fine (presumably that's a QB lap? I think there were 2 timekeepers, on that loop, but possibly more.) It would be nice if the orgs made it clear where  they take numbers. Apart from the one bloke shouting 'number' in the dark, I was never sure who the number takers were. Lots of people with hi-viz and/or clipboards, number-takers not at the roundabout they were at 2 hours ago ... bit confusing  :-\

I'll wait and see but I have a feeling I may know what happened. 

When I went on to the finishing circuit I was still wearing most of my night clothing.  I felt terrible and realised I was overheating so I stopped and took off my merino base layer.  I needed to put it somewhere and wrapped it round my waist, but it was obscuring my number.  I shouted my number to the couple of timekeepers, but one was clearly not happy and complained to me, so I think he may have docked me a finishing circuit lap.

My fault, but it's not a big deal as I know I cycled 392 miles but was in no danger of breaking any records.

Agree that it was confusing who to shout numbers to at night.  I think I erred on the side of caution and shouted mine at lots of innocent bystanders!

Oh, and did anyone else notice that some of the other riders' lights were a bit too bright..?   ;D
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Tomsk on 23 July, 2012, 10:01:07 am
Well chuffed with 406 miles [adding 36 to my pb], my computer had me just under 400; I hammered it on the finishing circuit to try and make 400, then ended up grovelling the final lap.

Big congrats all round especially to Jane - she seemed cheerful enough when I saw her, but my support crew reported her tribulations.

Also a huge thank you to Hemel Hempstead CC support crew, who leapt into action to supply cable-ties to bodge up my chainset [minus two bolts!] and later to jump start Mrs Tomsk's car when the battery had been drained by Jake's ipod!

Novel body weirdness: my forearms went a bit wobbly and swollen at about 4am, following a bad spell with gut-rot and loss of appetite, but back to normal after a few hours. At least no ankle/knee problems.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: zigzag on 23 July, 2012, 10:06:54 am
great effort by everyone! ultan's distance is nice and round 800k (looks better in kilometres)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 23 July, 2012, 10:15:47 am

I think he was holding himself back to make sure he didn't end up doing far enough to qualify for RAAM  ;)

Yes, I think that's right.  It's not that he doesn't specifically want to do RAAM, just that he hasn't got the right lights for it :)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 23 July, 2012, 10:18:41 am
I thought you must be misssing a lap Frank, as your 12 and 24h distances didn't really compute.  Extra well done!

Matt needs a new signiature: NOT QUITE RAAM QUALIFIED YET.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Peter on 23 July, 2012, 10:20:37 am
Well done everyone!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Peter on 23 July, 2012, 10:22:12 am
Can I just ask - how many of you were using tri-bars?  It's something I've never tried (groan).
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Bairn Again on 23 July, 2012, 10:30:41 am
Another two to add

ECK  with 406.674  :thumbsup:
   
YLEEG with 284.469  :thumbsup:

I had quite a bizare ride.  started off like a train nudging evens after 5 hours.  Progress was slowed a bit by a puncture on the leg down to shawbirch on the only killer pothole on the whole route.  I fixed the puncture but in the process broke my pump and damaged the valve in my replacement tube.  thankfully it all held to Prees and jogler came up trumps with a spare pump .   

By 12 hours my computer read 308km but I was getting sleepy and slow.  I got back to Prees and had a strong coffee and set off for the 3rd leg to Shawbirch about 4am.  By the time I'd got about 3 or 4km down to Tern Hill I simply could not stay awake and had stopped a couple of times for a handlebar based nap.  I set off again but was weaving all over the road so I set off back to Prees for a sleep.  For all practical purposes I'd decided to pack, other than the fact that I hadnt done so officially.   

After a sleep (over 4 hours to be precise) I decided to get back on my bike and ended up adding another 130km in the last 5 and a half hours.

My worst ever performance in the 24, but I knew beforehand that I wasnt going to break any records.   

Also, a MASSIVE thank you to Mrs Eck (and my son Tom on his maiden voyage to the Raven Cafe!) who were a massive help during the event alongside Jogler. 

I'll be back.   
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 23 July, 2012, 10:33:45 am
I shouted my number to the couple of timekeepers, but one was clearly not happy and complained to me, so I think he may have docked me a finishing circuit lap.

I doubt that they'd deliberately reduce your mileage but I can understand them complaining about making their job even harder.
When they do the final count up, they check all the results from the marshals. I think that for the provisional results, they just add up a few key results. When you have 100 riders passing several times and numbers are obscured, misread, misinterpreted or just wrongly recorded, it's not surprising that a few mistakes are made.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: thesloth on 23 July, 2012, 10:34:37 am
Well done all. Good to see lots of familiar faces.
Could not have asked for better weather, especially considering the "special" summer we've had thus far.

I was trying to get above 400 miles which I managed, but also tentatively gunning for my club record of 431, which I fell short of.
Allot of lessons had been learned on last year’s ESCA 24hr.I managed to cut total time stopped from 1hr to just 20min & was a allot more comfortable with my improved lighting, food and drink.

During the first half I was well ahead of schedule.
Mid Sunday morning my back gave out. Serious shooting pains all the way down the left side, with muscle spasms every time I tried to put power. My own fault - I've got weak arms and poor core strength and didn't put any work in to rectify this. I think for this event a well-conditioned upper body is essential. I could see that the top guys managed to hold their aero tuck right to the end.
At 8am I was still on schedule for my club record, but that would have meant maintaining a 29km/h average, which I was no longer capable of.

Hippy must be happy with his second place, a massive distance increase on last year. New club record?

As well as my own support crew who did an excellent job, the encouragement from other supporters and marshalls was much appreciated. It makes a difference, especially when you a dying a slow death on the finishing circuit!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 23 July, 2012, 11:27:14 am
I shouted my number to the couple of timekeepers, but one was clearly not happy and complained to me, so I think he may have docked me a finishing circuit lap.

I doubt that they'd deliberately reduce your mileage but I can understand them complaining about making their job even harder.
When they do the final count up, they check all the results from the marshals. I think that for the provisional results, they just add up a few key results. When you have 100 riders passing several times and numbers are obscured, misread, misinterpreted or just wrongly recorded, it's not surprising that a few mistakes are made.

Absolutely - I felt daft when I realised that I had obscured my number and couldn't complain if I'd lost miles as a result.  Timekeeping on a big and complex event like this is a heroic achievement.
I'd be pleased if I get my lap back but it's not the end of the world if I don't.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 23 July, 2012, 11:32:54 am

I could see that the top guys managed to hold their aero tuck right to the end.

Hippy must be happy with his second place, a massive distance increase on last year. New club record?


Yes, this was noticeable - the fast guys were not only on their aerobars the whole time but they had their bars in very aggressive positions which they could clearly hold for long periods. 

Hippy's set-up isn't as aggressive as some but it worked for him.  He blew away his club record which was about 465.

I'd erred on the side of caution and put my bars right up.  But my back and shoulders were fine so I could probably get away with a cm or two lower
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 23 July, 2012, 11:44:09 am
Phenomenal achievements. Well done to all.

I was speaking last week to someone involved in helping an entrant get his set-up correct, and I was astonished to hear that an hour off the bike in 24 is considered wildly excessive.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 23 July, 2012, 12:36:07 pm

When I went on to the finishing circuit I was still wearing most of my night clothing.  I felt terrible and realised I was overheating so I stopped and took off my merino base layer.  I needed to put it somewhere and wrapped it round my waist, but it was obscuring my number.  I shouted my number to the couple of timekeepers, but one was clearly not happy and complained to me, so I think he may have docked me a finishing circuit lap.

My fault, but it's not a big deal as I know I cycled 392 miles but was in no danger of breaking any records.

Agree that it was confusing who to shout numbers to at night.  I think I erred on the side of caution and shouted mine at lots of innocent bystanders!

Oh, and did anyone else notice that some of the other riders' lights were a bit too bright..?   ;D

There were very large numbers of Marshals at Prees and Espley, not so much at Tern Hill, and I never went to Shawbirch. It's handy to have reserve capacity to cover for breaks and incidents. I spent most of the night just making sure that people took the correct path through Espley. But having a Marshal visible, and with a camera, does alert drivers coming onto the course.  Numbers were taken coming into the roundabout on both sides.

Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: GraemeMcC on 23 July, 2012, 12:58:39 pm
I could see that the top guys managed to hold their aero tuck right to the end...

...they had their bars in very aggressive positions which they could clearly hold for long periods. 


Tri bars are a very relaxing way to support the upper body - the weight transfer is skeletal rather than via muscles. :thumbsup:

I did 419 miles in 2011 using a Planet-X Stealth lo-profile in daylight and a very lightweight Ribble Scuro road bike for night (I couldn't fit a compact/bright headlamp to the aerofoil bars on the Planet-X.) I wasn't sure how long I could ride the lo-pro having only previously done up to 100m TTs on it. Come the event, I could bearly wait to get back on by Sunday morning. My neck and shoulders were aching from holding the road bars.
Not so on tri-bars and comfy armrests. It really helps when you can seat your elbows in the cups which also avoids potential bruising on forearms. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jes on 23 July, 2012, 04:44:39 pm
Well done to all. Great ride Toby!! That curry must have done the trick.

That was quite an experience. It's still all a bit too much to take in and nothing about it has really hit home yet.

Directeur Sportive Assasin and Ploddinpedro were an awesome crew without whom I'd never have managed.
Have developed a liking for chow mein pot noodles and rice pudding (which normally I hate) with jam. Thankfully Assasin had thought to bring soft food stuff that didn't require much effort to get down as I couldn't actually eat anything I brought - reverted completely to pre teeth diet.

On the way home today though I managed a massive breakfast in The Raven Inn ;D ;D!! It had to be done!




Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 23 July, 2012, 04:48:26 pm
(I couldn't fit a compact/bright headlamp to the aerofoil bars on the Planet-X.)

I had the same thing with my setup this year. So I dug out the bit of broom handle that I used to use to hold my saddlebag and rear light. It had to come out of retirement after being used to hold my rear light in previous 24s and was re-employed to hold my front lights and computer. I just taped it to my tri-bars with insulation tape.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Peter on 23 July, 2012, 04:52:02 pm
Was it a campag broom, properly drilled out, Steve?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 23 July, 2012, 05:33:03 pm
It did have holes drilled into it, where I fed cableties through to hold it to my saddle rails.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: scherrit on 23 July, 2012, 05:53:09 pm


Hippy must be happy with his second place, a massive distance increase on last year. New club record?


Yes, this was noticeable - the fast guys were not only on their aerobars the whole time but they had their bars in very aggressive positions which they could clearly hold for long periods. 

Hippy's set-up isn't as aggressive as some but it worked for him.  He blew away his club record which was about 465.

Positioning is almost always some sort of a compromise- most obviously in long stuff and he has done some long hours on that bike. His midfoot cleat position also seems to be working. The fact that he is a real tough nut helps as well.....

Well done to all finishers! So happy that the weather gods smiled on us!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 23 July, 2012, 05:56:08 pm
(I couldn't fit a compact/bright headlamp to the aerofoil bars on the Planet-X.)

I had the same thing with my setup this year. So I dug out the bit of broom handle that I used to use to hold my saddlebag and rear light. It had to come out of retirement after being used to hold my rear light in previous 24s and was re-employed to hold my front lights and computer. I just taped it to my tri-bars with insulation tape.
Genius! I can now throw away those crappy Minoura Space-Grips and their stupid tiny soft screws.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: teethgrinder on 23 July, 2012, 06:14:33 pm
(I couldn't fit a compact/bright headlamp to the aerofoil bars on the Planet-X.)

I had the same thing with my setup this year. So I dug out the bit of broom handle that I used to use to hold my saddlebag and rear light. It had to come out of retirement after being used to hold my rear light in previous 24s and was re-employed to hold my front lights and computer. I just taped it to my tri-bars with insulation tape.
Genius! I can now throw away those crappy Minoura Space-Grips and their stupid tiny soft screws.

Broom handles are great. You can easily drill into them and screw self taping screws into them. They won't rust and not very heavy but are quite strong. Plus a whole broom handle is quite long, so you can have lots of different set ups and cut to fit various sizes. You'll probably need some insulation tape to bulk it out to fit most light brackets.
You can even paint them if you like.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Tomsk on 23 July, 2012, 10:30:40 pm
I was able to keep to the tri-bars more this year, despite less practice on them, possibly because I used a borrowed  bike for the event, [yes, not the best plan, I know!] with a shorter reach to the bars. My normal road bike position is quite low and stretched out, so probably I need a short/raised stem for a long tt?

Re: mounting lights - my tri-bars came clamped to a length of plastic tube in their packaging - I then attached it with cable ties to them and it securely holds two Hope Vision 1s.  I filed a couple of broad notches so it wouldn't rotate. A broom handle, being a form of carbon fibre, could be considered an upgrade ;D
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 23 July, 2012, 10:52:55 pm
Provisional Results (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge1246__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQr0ELd7vY1GJQywTngQ2oPU-2R7Wo4ht6aSrM95O4UZpI&ge1246__gevi=88wYyVrPIQYiquKdVCLogWdN0npFp9ZxcBX1xK1JXlEENDQssStyIMkAApIzCfAy&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=57573&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109)

Here are a few of the interesting ones

1: Ultan Coyle 488.993
7: Steven Abraham 448.193
11: Toby Hopper 432.663
18: Matthew Scholes 418.382
30: Ian Hennessey 405.286
39: Matt Chambers 380.481
41: Frank Proud 378.320
54: Ross Bentley-Davies 352.224
56: Matthew Haigh 346.684

Berwick/Jurcyx (TAN): 362.611


Well done Ultan, and everyone else on good rides!

TG and MattC both look like they've had a particularly good year.  Does this signify a wholesale conversion to gears Steve?  :P

That’s just staggering. Well done TG - and everyone :)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: MattH on 23 July, 2012, 11:00:38 pm
All in all, I don't think I did too badly.

It's been a rough year for my cycling - I did a 200k in March with Adam, then fell ill for the Brevet Cymru (I started it but packed at the first control - my first ever DNF  :'(). I wasn't well enough to contemplate doing BCM, then I got caught up in moving house and the subsequent DIY-fest. The next time I got on my bike was to ride Paris Roubaix at the start of June. Then with doing house stuff the next time I rolled out a bike (other than a couple of 1 mile round trips to the shops on my hack fixie) was to clean it up and do the club 10 as a shakedown last Thursday. I entered the 24 at the last minute as a means of getting some miles in this year as I needed to go up to Manchester this weekend anyway. I rode it unsupported with a saddlebag (didn't even bother with the bag drop).

I was doing OK until I did my first stop for food at the cafe at 100-ish miles. Ordered food, sat down, called home, had a chat to the people next me, realised that 20 minutes had gone by and my food hadn't arrived whilst people who'd turned up after me had been fed and left  :( They were very apologetic, and got me sorted quickly afterwards, but by the time it came and I'd eaten I'd lost a huge amount of time; I'd gone from being ahead to being way behind on my provisional schedule and over the next couple of hours just couldn't make any headway into that deficit so lost heart a little. Reflecting back, using the cafe for subsequent feed stops was a bad call (even though they were quite fast), I should have used a garage and had much lower downtime. So, excuses out of the way, given my mileage this year and fitness levels I probably did better than I had any right to expect and only ended up about 10 miles lower than the minimum I was hoping for.

I too had problems identifying who was taking numbers and who was just sitting watching the ride with a book - maybe a sign next to them would help? It seemed far more obvious on the ES ride.

When I'd finished and was spending ten minutes having a sit down before riding back (typically finishing almost as far as you could get from the base on the finishing circuit) it was surprising how few riders called their numbers even when prompted - probably 1 in 4? That must make it hard for the marshals, there were a couple of instances where they weren't positive about a number.

But it was well organised and a good event, it must take a lot of effort to put that on.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 24 July, 2012, 12:24:27 am
Hippy must be happy with his second place, a massive distance increase on last year. New club record?
Yes, this was noticeable - the fast guys were not only on their aerobars the whole time but they had their bars in very aggressive positions which they could clearly hold for long periods. 

Hippy's set-up isn't as aggressive as some but it worked for him.  He blew away his club record which was about 465.

Positioning is almost always some sort of a compromise- most obviously in long stuff and he has done some long hours on that bike. His midfoot cleat position also seems to be working. The fact that he is a real tough nut helps as well.....

Well done to all finishers! So happy that the weather gods smiled on us!

I didn't know you were on here too. Bloody stalkers..

I was sceptical to start with but the midfoot setup worked very well - not a single instance of Achilles or calf problems training or racing this year.

Went for a skinsuit this year and ran a deeper front wheel and wheel covers on the rear. Bigger lighting setup too and of course the Aussie flag bottle cages.

It might be possible to ride long TTs with a lower setup but it's a risk - you have to ride LONG to discover any painful limitations.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 24 July, 2012, 12:25:15 am
(I couldn't fit a compact/bright headlamp to the aerofoil bars on the Planet-X.)
I had the same thing with my setup this year. So I dug out the bit of broom handle that I used to use to hold my saddlebag and rear light. It had to come out of retirement after being used to hold my rear light in previous 24s and was re-employed to hold my front lights and computer. I just taped it to my tri-bars with insulation tape.
Genius! I can now throw away those crappy Minoura Space-Grips and their stupid tiny soft screws.

My Space Grip was fine. You know you're not meant to tighten it with the screws, right?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: blackburnrod on 24 July, 2012, 07:46:09 am
  Here is the latest PROVISIONAL result.Several riders have had mileage increased after researching anomalies caused by riders being  missed by checkers due mainly to obscured numbers.One honest rider stated his mileage was too great and investigation showed that he was recorded twice at Prees with times right for a lap of Quina circuit,but he had in fact sat in the cafe for that time,and this was confirmed from a secondary check elsewhere on the Q circuit   .
  There were no computer crashes as reported elsewhere!
                                       
                                             
Name    Club   Category      24 hour Distance   12 hour Distance   Calculated 100 mile time      Age   Gp   POS      Vets Standard   Vets Variance   VTTA   
Ultan Coyle   Rapha Condor CC         488.993   258.837   04:11:35      33            0         
Stuart Birnie   Willesden CC         480.723   246.784   04:28:56      33            0         
Ishmael Burdeau   GS Gazzetta         472.332   250.859   04:29:17      44   A   WIN      0         
Peter Moon   Eastbourne Rovers CC   V      471.180   249.391   04:26:41      51   C   WIN      339.82   131.36      
Gregory Woodford   Reading CC         462.605   248.371   04:39:17      51   C         0         
Simon Bever   Twickenham CC         459.711   241.241   04:36:59      49   B   WIN      0         
Steven Abraham   North Bucks RC         448.193   238.208   04:45:17      37            0         
Ian Wilson   Deeside Thistle CC   V      445.160   235.328   04:45:17      44   A         359.28   85.88      
Sam Williamson   Hemel Hempstead CC         444.643   239.628   04:36:38      49   B         0         
Kevin Thomas   Kingston Wheelers         440.995   234.648   05:49:41      51   C         0         
Lynne Taylor   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles   W      438.128   235.039   04:37:38      43   A         0         
Toby Hopper   Cardiff Ajax         432.663   229.434   04:44:20      32            0         
Chris Hopkinson   Army Cycling Union         432.506   238.869   04:30:59      44   A         0         
Richard Parrotte   Shaftesbury CC   V      428.269   233.964   04:40:59      47   B         350.57   77.70      
Mark Gray   Derby Mercury RC         426.235   230.357   04:52:59      42   A         0         
Dadswell / Bloom   Antelope RT / Born to Bike   Tand.Tri.Mx      424.806   227.654   04:43:41      0            0         
Nigel Jones   Hereford & District Wheelers         423.363   222.066   05:04:41      43   A         0         
Stuart Edwards   RNRMCA   V      422.748   227.066   04:47:20      47   B         350.57   72.18      
Matthew Scholes   South Western RC         418.382   232.010   04:47:41      37            0         
Andy Denyer   Lewes Wanderers         418.164   224.513   04:51:19      45   B         0         
Laurence Hewetson   BAD Tri         415.228   225.737   04:45:38      37            0         
John Forbes   Birkenhead North End CC         414.570   224.493   04:52:23      47   B         0         
Andrew Waddington   Portsmouth North End CC         412.636   231.893   04:44:23      43   A         0         
John Cornfield   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles         410.992   226.957   04:43:47      22            0         
David Parkes   Coventry RC   V      410.735   216.673   04:46:20      57   D   WIN      323.55   87.18      
Simon Gent   Shaftesbury CC         410.127   222.792   04:51:41      39            0         
Neil Ridsdale   Bridlington CC   V      409.158   222.434   05:03:02      54   C         331.84   77.32      
Nicholas Long   Kenton RC         407.625   220.492   04:59:02      23            0         
Hefin Jones   Rhos-on-Wye & District CC         406.579   219.949   04:49:23      36            0         
Tom Deakins   Flitchbikes.co.uk         406.033   220.025   04:32:05      54   C         0         
Ian Hennessey   Exeter Wheelers CC         405.286   219.847   04:57:30      59   D         0         
Roger Squire   Fibrax Wrexham RC         391.277   212.795   05:08:44      43   A         0         
Frank Proud   Westerley         390.941   219.164   05:02:05      45   B         0         
Tabitha Rendall   Club Cyclopark   VW      389.039   210.939   05:10:41      41   A         333.61   55.43      
Jacqueline Hobson   Warwickshire RC   VW      388.198   203.865   05:19:23      47   B         317.63   70.57      
Fred Newton   Wessex Road Club         387.958   206.032   05:09:09      64   E   WIN      0         
Geoff Smith   Eastbourne Rovers CC   V      385.932   209.973   04:58:23      62   E         308.22   77.71      
Anthony Wheatley   Stourbridge CC         384.722   199.871   05:32:02      46   B         0         
John Rowe   Stocksbridge CC         384.439   206.092   05:21:09      43   A         0         
Bob Richards   RNRMCA   V      381.412   210.851   04:50:26      54   C         331.84   49.57      
Matt Chambers   Didcot Phoenix CC         380.481   197.287   05:24:54      41   A         0         
Michael Pumphrey   Thornton RC   V      379.287   207.281   05:17:41      52   C         337.17   42.12      
David Bayley   Audax Ireland         372.016   195.328   05:42:54      35            0         
Steve Davies   Addiscombe CC   V      370.867   197.600   05:10:26      59   D         317.69   53.18      
John O'Sullivan   Audax Ireland         363.693   197.257   05:32:54      52   C         0         
Berwick / Jurcyx   Edinburgh RC / W Lothian Clarion   Tand.      362.611   204.123   05:12:22      0            0         
Geraint Catherall    Anfield BC         360.289   183.720   05:47:15      38            0         
Dave Pemberton   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles         359.629   202.538   05:12:26      45   B         0         
Jim Hopper   Derby Mercury RC   Tri.      359.366   189.058   05:44:24      70   G   WIN      0         
Mohammad Leghari   Addiscombe CC         358.679   175.969   05:00:57      21            0         
Bob Watts    San Fairy Ann CC         357.972   184.405   05:53:51      55   D         0         
Ben Rockett   Bath CC         356.226   218.722   04:29:22      25            0         
Andy Barratt   Kidsgrove Wheelers   V      355.679   214.281   04:51:23      40   A         372.79   -17.11      
Steve Gelder   Team Swift         352.871   199.689   05:11:57      43   A         0         
David Bellinger   Medway Velo         352.684   187.951   04:57:05      39            0         
Ross Bentley-Davies   Didcot Phoenix CC         352.224   198.247   05:18:33      40   A         0         
Wyatt Wendels   Airedale Olympic         348.018   182.002   06:12:12      36            0         
Matthew Haigh   Farnborough & Camberley CC         346.684   181.143   05:41:09      43   A         0         
Pippa Wheeler   Exeter Wheelers CC   W      344.294   190.430   05:30:36      49   B         0         
Ben Amesbury   Fibrax Wrexham RC         340.968   187.942   05:58:54      40   A         0         
John Laker   Thornton RC         340.809   181.190   05:46:03      52   C         0         
Russell Pindar   Beeston CC         338.626   180.131   05:34:24      45   B         0         
Malcolm Matcham   Sotonia   V      338.594   191.078   05:36:26      54   C         331.84   6.75      
Andrew Preston   CC Weymouth         335.862   179.390   05:54:56      50   C         0         
Russ Mason   Thornton RC         334.943   175.997   05:57:54      63   E         0         
Jane Swain   Willesden CC   Tri.W      333.628   182.305   06:01:51      45   B         0         
Trevor Halstead   Gainsborough Aegir CC         332.756   192.144   05:41:35      54   C         0         
Richard Harding   Exeter Wheelers CC         330.188   178.506   05:39:05      53   C         0         
Roger Clarke   Tyneside Vagabonds CC         329.372   215.814   05:14:41      41   A         0         
Phil Holden   Seamons CC   V      329.336   170.434   05:20:21      65   F   WIN      297.73   31.61      
Ann Bath   Kingston Phoenix RC   VW      327.360   171.863   06:19:39      63   E         277.94   49.42      
Denise Hurst   Congleton CC   VW      326.168   160.235   00:00:00      58   D         291.72   34.45      
Michael Rainton   VC Baracchi   V      324.661   195.308   05:47:28      66   F         293.97   30.69      
Steve Heaney   Rhos-on-Sea CC         324.361   194.047   05:38:09      52   C         0         
Jason Brookes   Stourbridge CC         321.162   177.551   06:29:13      37            0         
Alex Pattison   Angus Bike Chain CC         316.646   191.100   04:30:26      65   F         0         
Valerio Zamboni   UCI/Team Monaco         303.143   194.064   05:10:54      58   D         0         
John Mollart    Lyme Racing Club         287.999   151.372   06:46:38      42   A         0         
Graeme Wyllie   Edinburgh RC         284.469   187.104   05:37:57      47   B         0         
Brian Kilgannon   RNRMCA   V      284.322   153.663   06:52:07      58   D         320.66   -36.34      
Tony Hull   Chippenham & District Wheelers         281.579   171.298   06:24:57      70   G         0         
Dave Stokes   Musselburgh RCC   Tri.      258.280   163.805   06:57:29      68   F         0         
David Shepherd   GS Stella   V         258.393   04:18:35      51   C         339.82         
Rob Dulson   Hainault RC   V         243.265   04:31:17      51   C         339.82         
Anton Blackie   Rapha Condor CC            214.599   04:56:41      28            0         
Mark Leadbetter   Stirling Bike Club            219.468   04:50:41      45   B         0         
Graeme Walsh   Stirling Bike Club            238.443   04:38:22      49   B         0         
Graham Jones   Edinburgh RC   V         225.733   04:31:38      47   B         350.57         
Robert Watson   North Hampshire Road Club   V         179.203   04:50:02      51   C         339.82         
Charles Kitson   Wansbeck CC            141.295   00:00:00      50   C         0         
Stephen Avery   Zappi CC   Tri.         137.948   00:00:00      44   A         0         
Andy Payne   GS Stella   V         120.813   04:36:38      48   B         347.82         
Lisa Costa   Kidsgrove Wheelers   VW         114.613   07:43:16      53   C         303.76         
Joe Applegarth   Houghton CC            0.000   00:00:00      72   G         0         
Gareth Gregory    Port Talbot Wheelers CC            0.000   00:00:00      38            0         
Sally Cowan   Seamons CC   VW         0.000   00:00:00      46   B         320.05         
Arthur Puckrin   Cleveland Wheelers   V         0.000   00:00:00      74   G         258.24         
William Dossett   Willesden CC            0.000   00:00:00      52   C         0         
Christopher Dobbs   Holme Valley Wheelers            0.000   00:00:00      27            0         
Christian Henderson   Derwentside CC            0.000   00:00:00      40   A         0         
Sean O'Hiarnain   Rollapaluza CC            0.000   00:00:00      32            0         
John Warnock   Twickenham CC            0.000   00:00:00      40   A         0         
Williams / Creswick   Twickenham CC   Tand.W         0.000   00:00:00      0            0         
                                             
                                             
                                             
                                             
TEAM   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles         1208.750   miles   3   riders                        
   RNRMCA         1088.482   miles   3   riders                        
   Exeter Wheelers CC         1079.767   miles   3   riders                        
   Thornton RC         1055.038   miles   3   riders                        
                                             
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 24 July, 2012, 09:13:43 am
They found my missing lap :)
That they do such a good job in counting all those distances is amazing.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 24 July, 2012, 09:23:05 am
They found my missing lap :)
That they do such a good job in counting all those distances is amazing.
Well you say that now ...      ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 24 July, 2012, 10:06:03 am
Well done Frank, you've now beaten my distance by 0.51 miles. 

You're going down next year, boi  :demon:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 24 July, 2012, 10:26:30 am
Oof, harsh. Fight, fight fight!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Frank9755 on 24 July, 2012, 04:21:22 pm
Well Greg (Mr B), I know that you should be faster than me.  But at least, now they've found my missing lap, I know that Matt isn't  :)

Good luck in the 12!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 24 July, 2012, 05:20:19 pm
Good luck in the 12!

Thanks - I'm hoping it cools down a bit before then.  The forecast rain would currently be welcome!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: TOBY on 24 July, 2012, 05:59:21 pm
For various reasons I just couldn't get into it this year, ho-hum  ::-)

Great to see those that I saw and sorry to miss those that I missed.

Extra Special Thanks must go to:
Jane (great ride by the way) for taking my bag in her car from the travelodge to the start on the saturday morning thus saving me riding with it to the start. . .
IanH and the Exegeter Whs whom I'd been hassling to help me out for the first 5 hours before promptly jumping ship the day of the race to take help from . . .
Judith and Dave after some car park based propositions, their help was fantastic upto and beyond when . . .
ChrisN turned up and kept me sorted for the second year running!

I could not have not done it without these brilliant peaople  :thumbsup:

++  :thumbsup: and thanks to the organisers, marshals, helpers and everybody that contributes to putting on this great event, what a fantastic job they do!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: CharlieK on 24 July, 2012, 07:41:22 pm
Well another one over and at around 3am I vowed never again! Now I'm thinking why not  :thumbsup:

Congratulations to all, thanks to the supporters and other riders but extra special thanks to the Mersey Roads crew for a fantastically organised event even down to arranging the weather!

Once again I had my target, modest for most but considering my health (heart and lungs) good for me. But the gremlins struck and my back gave out at 3am, all that banging around over rough roads and my tri bars breaking. I lay down at prees to ease it off and fell asleep, my support was also asleep so I lost a good chunk of time. But I got back on and completed about another 70 or so miles. So I'm a bit disappointed to see my name listed as a DNF. Hopefully this will be corrected and I'll be restored to my rightful place of last  :)

My son and I had the pleasure of Stuart Birnie's company at the B&B so thanks to him and his supporters for their help. Also thanks to numbers 34 and 45 for constant encouragement and those jumping clapping shouting lads who brought a smile to a tired face. Thanks also to the Irish contingent John and co. for helping me off at 5am(ish) although I was using the bike to support me  ;D

If I'm not riding again I'll come down for the atmosphere it's tremendous.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Bairn Again on 25 July, 2012, 12:52:12 pm
Is it just me who finds it amusing that mattc ended up finishing ahead of the guy who was ripping into him on the CTT forum? 

;)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 25 July, 2012, 12:53:45 pm
Is it just me who finds it amusing that mattc ended up finishing ahead of the guy who was ripping into him on the CTT forum? 

;)

Hoppo?  He did 432 miles and was beaten by a whisker by Toby.

I don't really follow TTing. But Warnock is the obvious choice for me.

TBH, keeping in touch with the TT scene wouldn't be much of a guide to John Warnock's form  - I've not seen his name on a significant race all year (although he may have been riding club events). Still the favourite though

He's just done a 1:36:37 (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge1246__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQrz_ANSkB_T7qN_S6WibhjZSgMsdb3s20YdbqT4Ri75b0KC9eK9_tb5AXpHVL_hsd9wUykrc7iOIkKTc1Y4aviCWR3YDfvLF52FQsmOnFSQMRWCKgQHh868q8-AUGseSApQ&ge1246__gevi=APtR9kVRTTqRkPW7JViJzM4Gui99NxA0g4k-mhmiyx8&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=57599&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109) in a 50 - the second fastest time ever.  BBAR perhaps?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Bairn Again on 25 July, 2012, 12:57:15 pm
mustve been thinmking of somebody else.

back to sleep  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Tim Hall on 25 July, 2012, 01:11:22 pm
Another question from an outsider:

How does the final distance get calculated?  I understand that there are various circuits, including a finishing circuit.  Does each rider have a dedicated time keeper running alongside for the final knockings, who shouts "STOP" and whips out a tape measure at the appropriate hour?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 25 July, 2012, 01:13:31 pm
Average speed between the timekeeper before your time is up and the one after your time is up is used to determine your position at 24 hr.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 25 July, 2012, 01:27:04 pm
Average speed between the timekeeper before your time is up and the one after your time is up is used to determine your position at 24 hr.
Unless you fortuitously reach the TK nearest HQ a few minutes before 24h, and tell the guy that you're finishing there as you've done your target and refuse to ride another mile. This must be very common, as they are quite accomodating to such riders - or so I'm told.  O:-)


So I'm a bit disappointed to see my name listed as a DNF.
Did you reach the finish circuit? I think everyone gets a DNF if they don't get recorded past at least one time-keeper on the finish circuit.
Pretty sure I've heard that if you want your distance registered, they'll generally work it out if you ask nicely. I believe this is common for riders who reach - say - their vets standard but then collapse before reaching the F.C.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 25 July, 2012, 01:40:27 pm
I don't really follow TTing. But Warnock is the obvious choice for me.

TBH, keeping in touch with the TT scene wouldn't be much of a guide to John Warnock's form  - I've not seen his name on a significant race all year (although he may have been riding club events). Still the favourite though

He's just done a 1:36:37 (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge1246__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQrz_ANSkB_T7qN_S6WibhjZSgMsdb3s20YdbqT4Ri75b0KC9eK9_tb5AXpHVL_hsd9wUykrc7iOIkKTc1Y4aviCWR3YDfvLF52FQsmOnFSQMRWCKgQHh868q8-AUGseSApQ&ge1246__gevi=APtR9kVRTTqRkPW7JViJzM4Gui99NxA0g4k-mhmiyx8&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=57599&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109) in a 50 - the second fastest time ever.  BBAR perhaps?
This heat is obviously messing with a few heads - MrB's link points to this:
"Andrew WILKINSON
Port Sunlight Wheelers   
01:36:37   
"
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Karla on 25 July, 2012, 02:10:36 pm
Oops.

I was trying to respond to someone's comment that it was a shame not to see Wilko racing this year, to which someone else responded that Wilko would probably never do a 24 again, didn't really like racing and hadn't been doing much this year, but preferred touring.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: bodach on 25 July, 2012, 02:17:36 pm
 I am starting to recover at last and am happy with what McNasty and I achieved. Everything went to plan. There was none! We set off too fast again but it is only my second 24. My HRM showed over 90% max for the first hour or so. Had hoped to do around 380k so I could get 6 points but now looks like no SR for me this year. Just as well there's a few more years in the legs yet although McNasty is looking for a younger pilot with a bit more speed. I'll just have to start training and no longer rely on pure talent. We stopped at the timekeeper before the HQ as we did not wish to climb the hill again to the next one and we knew we had done 360 mls., over 20 miles better than last year. We did manage to set a VTTA record for age 69 and in fact only had to finish to do so as no one else has so far been daft enough to do so. Got the feeding a bit better this year  and drank a lot more regularly with only having to stop once for a pee due to my profuse sweating. The body felt much worse this year due to the distinct lack of miles like so many others I think. I'm no longer obsessive about my cycling and it shows in my performances. Had great help and encouragement from our helper Mike Hood, ex international triathlete. Many thanks to all officials without whom this classic event could not take place. Take a bow. Enjoyed speaking to several folk after the event. See you next year. 
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Ian H on 25 July, 2012, 02:18:59 pm
Average speed between the timekeeper before your time is up and the one after your time is up is used to determine your position at 24 hr.

"You've got a few seconds left. Keep going!"

At least the next timekeeper was the one by the HQ.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 25 July, 2012, 03:06:50 pm
My time ticked over to 2:18 and the next checkpoint I came across was the one my team was parked at. #skill #fluke
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 25 July, 2012, 03:13:20 pm
I leapfrogged teethgrinder on his last lap and parked at his finish timekeeper to give him a lift back to HQ. Good job I did; a driver stopped to ask if he was ok while he was lying on the verge. He did look a bit tired, no doubt because it was the timekeeper at the top of the hill.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: thesloth on 25 July, 2012, 04:18:21 pm
Are there any team results for this event? Can't seem to find any on the CTT site.

Does anybody know how the team thing works? I recall been told something like: Total distance of three riders from the same club.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Ian H on 25 July, 2012, 05:09:20 pm
Are there any team results for this event? Can't seem to find any on the CTT site.

Does anybody know how the team thing works? I recall been told something like: Total distance of three riders from the same club.

Bottom of the results, above.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: blackburnrod on 25 July, 2012, 09:40:27 pm
This is the result to date.All queries received by myself and the organiser have been addressed and adjusted where appropriate.I intend to finalise the result at the weekend,so if there are any other queries please send them to rodgoodfellow@gmail.com asap.  ( I am aware that Clarke stopped at Prees and claims his distance there of 310 which will appear on the final result.)



PROVISIONAL RESULT                  
                  
No.   Name    Club   Category      24 hour Distance   12 hour Distance
90   Ultan Coyle   Rapha Condor CC         488.993   260.971
78   Stuart Birnie   Willesden CC         480.723   249.086
54   Ishmael Burdeau   GS Gazzetta         472.332   251.558
60   Peter Moon   Eastbourne Rovers CC   V      471.180   256.979
35   Gregory Woodford   Reading CC         462.605   254.071
85   Simon Bever   Twickenham CC         459.711   247.554
97   Steven Abraham   North Bucks RC         448.193   241.508
26   Ian Wilson   Deeside Thistle CC   V      445.160   240.676
50   Sam Williamson   Hemel Hempstead CC         444.643   241.981
70   Kevin Thomas   Kingston Wheelers         440.995   244.850
95   Lynne Taylor   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles   W      438.128   238.479
73   Toby Hopper   Cardiff Ajax         432.663   234.315
45   Chris Hopkinson   Army Cycling Union         432.506   252.178
76   Richard Parrotte   Shaftesbury CC   V      428.269   236.192
93   Mark Gray   Derby Mercury RC         426.235   230.357
103   Dadswell / Bloom   Antelope RT / Born to Bike   Tand.Tri.Mx      424.806   230.861
38   Nigel Jones   Hereford & District Wheelers         423.363   227.436
40   Stuart Edwards   RNRMCA   V      422.748   237.627
66   Matthew Scholes   South Western RC         418.382   232.010
13   Andy Denyer   Lewes Wanderers         418.164   231.589
99   Laurence Hewetson   BAD Tri         415.228   228.221
87   John Forbes   Birkenhead North End CC         414.570   232.593
77   Andrew Waddington   Portsmouth North End CC         412.636   240.581
20   John Cornfield   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles         410.992   228.225
46   David Parkes   Coventry RC   V      410.735   219.001
64   Simon Gent   Shaftesbury CC         410.127   229.582
22   Neil Ridsdale   Bridlington CC   V      409.158   227.490
81   Nicholas Long   Kenton RC         407.625   224.151
67   Hefin Jones   Ross-on-Wye & District CC         406.579   226.557
83   Tom Deakins   Flitchbikes.co.uk         406.033   222.682
57   Ian Hennessey   Exeter Wheelers CC         405.286   222.172
31   Roger Squire   Fibrax Wrexham RC         391.277   217.804
23   Frank Proud   Westerley         390.941   220.696
56   Tabitha Rendall   Club Cyclopark   VW      389.039   217.587
41   Jacqueline Hobson   Warwickshire RC   VW      388.198   213.636
27   Fred Newton   Wessex Road Club         387.958   206.895
82   Geoff Smith   Eastbourne Rovers CC   V      385.932   216.732
39   Anthony Wheatley   Stourbridge CC         384.722   210.083
33   John Rowe   Stocksbridge CC         384.439   207.243
74   Bob Richards   RNRMCA   V      381.412   219.066
9   Matt Chambers   Didcot Phoenix CC         380.481   199.315
15   Michael Pumphrey   Thornton RC   V      379.287   209.261
96   David Bayley   Audax Ireland         372.016   205.308
28   Steve Davies   Addiscombe CC   V      370.867   206.490
89   John O'Sullivan   Audax Ireland         363.693   198.661
101   Berwick / Jurcyx   Edinburgh RC / W Lothian Clarion   Tand.      362.611   210.327
16   Geraint Catherall    Anfield BC         360.289   184.188
55   Dave Pemberton   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles         359.629   203.064
1   Jim Hopper   Derby Mercury RC   Tri.      359.366   193.355
59   Mohammad Leghari   Addiscombe CC         358.679   178.448
6   Bob Watts    San Fairy Ann CC         357.972   192.679
37   Ben Rockett   Bath CC         356.226   221.089
52   Andy Barratt   Kidsgrove Wheelers   V      355.679   221.034
51   Steve Gelder   Team Swift         352.871   212.373
42   David Bellinger   Medway Velo         352.684   188.662
18   Ross Bentley-Davies   Didcot Phoenix CC         352.224   200.540
24   Wyatt Wendels   Airedale Olympic         348.018   184.352
36   Matthew Haigh   Farnborough & Camberley CC         346.684   182.374
29   Pippa Wheeler   Exeter Wheelers CC   W      344.294   197.347
44   Ben Amesbury   Fibrax Wrexham RC         340.968   189.787
69   John Laker   Thornton RC         340.809   181.190
43   Russell Pindar   Beeston CC         338.626   180.131
19   Malcolm Matcham   Sotonia   V      338.594   198.236
34   Andrew Preston   CC Weymouth         335.862   188.007
62   Russ Mason   Thornton RC         334.943   178.378
7   Jane Swain   Willesden CC   Tri.W      333.628   184.733
71   Trevor Halstead   Gainsborough Aegir CC         332.756   197.352
10   Richard Harding   Exeter Wheelers CC         330.188   178.506
63   Phil Holden   Seamons CC   V      329.336   181.301
8   Ann Bath   Kingston Phoenix RC   VW      327.360   180.311
84   Denise Hurst   Congleton CC   VW      326.168   168.669
32   Michael Rainton   VC Baracchi   V      324.661   195.308
61   Steve Heaney   Rhos-on-Sea CC         324.361   203.990
72   Jason Brookes   Stourbridge CC         321.162   182.624
68   Alex Pattison   Angus Bike Chain CC         316.646   196.454
88   Valerio Zamboni   UCI/Team Monaco         303.143   194.064
48   John Mollart    Lyme Racing Club         287.999   158.178
92   Graeme Wyllie   Edinburgh RC         284.469   187.834
21   Brian Kilgannon   RNRMCA   V      284.322   164.119
5   Tony Hull   Chippenham & District Wheelers         281.579   178.662
53   Dave Stokes   Musselburgh RCC   Tri.      258.280   166.850
14   Charles Kitson   Wansbeck CC         250.544   142.901
58   Stephen Avery   Zappi CC   Tri.      218.098   137.948
                  
* NOTE: 12 hour distances and 100 mile times are approximate and determined by interpolation between time checks                  
                  
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: CharlieK on 25 July, 2012, 10:44:13 pm
So I'm a bit disappointed to see my name listed as a DNF.
Did you reach the finish circuit? I think everyone gets a DNF if they don't get recorded past at least one time-keeper on the finish circuit.

Yes I did reach the finish circuit, went round twice and stopped at TK4 because, as others have said, that is closet to the HQ. I called my number at all TK points as well. Nearly hit a black BMW because he stopped to turn right at the last minute in front of me on the nice downhill fast bit, the marshall would remember my rather colourful language I'm sure  :o

I've emailed Jon to ask, politely, that I be reinstated.

But then whilst writing this I notice the post by blackburnrod and I am credited so all is well again  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 27 July, 2012, 12:12:05 am
There were a few photographers out there. Does anyone have links to any photosets? Seemed to be lots more from ESCA..

Here's my report on the National 24hr:
http://thehippy.net/nucleus/index.php?itemid=1678
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 27 July, 2012, 08:34:48 am
There were a few photographers out there. Does anyone have links to any photosets? Seemed to be lots more from ESCA..

Here's my report on the National 24hr:
http://thehippy.net/nucleus/index.php?itemid=1678

I don't think that anyone has noted the fact that the podium of the 24 was Ireland, Australia, USA. There was a comment somewhere on here that few non-British riders do UK time trials.
I had a nice chat with Scherrit and Malwina on the finish circuit. The CTT rep said that he liked coming to the 24 because he felt like he was coming home to family. After 24 hours you get to see what people are actually like, there's no energy left for pretence, especially when they're supporting a contender.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: thesloth on 27 July, 2012, 09:06:54 am
There were a few photographers out there. Does anyone have links to any photosets? Seemed to be lots more from ESCA..

Here's my report on the National 24hr:
http://thehippy.net/nucleus/index.php?itemid=1678

Great write up hippy. I'm impressed at the amount of prep work that you put in.
I see I wasn't the only one perturbed by those barriers on QB circuit. They caught me out every time. The fact that they were almost the same colour as the road didn't help!

To me it looked like the most prolific photographer out on the course was the Rapha guy. I hope he'll put some of his photos online.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 27 July, 2012, 09:56:13 am
I don't have any natural talent so I have to work hard in the lead up and get advantages anywhere I can :)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 27 July, 2012, 10:29:42 am
I don't think that anyone has noted the fact that the podium of the 24 was Ireland, Australia, USA.
A friend asked me "how Irish is Ultan?", and suggested that only a brit could win the "National" Champs. Purely out of curiousity, does anyone know the answer to this issue? (or is that issueS ?)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 27 July, 2012, 10:34:56 am
I looked into it a while back and I'm fairly sure if you've lived here for two years you can win a National Champs. Not sure how that works if you live in Ireland. Depends if it's the RoI or Northern Ireland too doesn't it?
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jes on 27 July, 2012, 11:00:39 am
I see I wasn't the only one perturbed by those barriers on QB circuit. They caught me out every time. The fact that they were almost the same colour as the road didn't help!

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I thought someone was having a laugh - they were a massive challenge for a tired trainee trikie trying to get through the course without crashing, falling, ditching etc. I ended up crawling through.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Jes on 27 July, 2012, 11:01:53 am
There were a few photographers out there. Does anyone have links to any photosets? Seemed to be lots more from ESCA..

Here's my report on the National 24hr:
http://thehippy.net/nucleus/index.php?itemid=1678

Excellent report.....I've been trying to do a write up but I can't remember even a fraction of the detail you have! I'm always amazed by people who can do that.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 27 July, 2012, 11:07:50 am
I see I wasn't the only one perturbed by those barriers on QB circuit. They caught me out every time. The fact that they were almost the same colour as the road didn't help!

I thought someone was having a laugh - they were a massive challenge for a tired trainee trikie trying to get through the course without crashing, falling, ditching etc. I ended up crawling through.
I was going to write that the roadworks added some welcome fun, with a bit of technical weavin' abaat on a (probably) traffic-free section.
I hadn't thought about Trikes!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: hippy on 27 July, 2012, 11:27:09 am
There were a few photographers out there. Does anyone have links to any photosets? Seemed to be lots more from ESCA..
Here's my report on the National 24hr:
http://thehippy.net/nucleus/index.php?itemid=1678
Excellent report.....I've been trying to do a write up but I can't remember even a fraction of the detail you have! I'm always amazed by people who can do that.

I couldn't remember 50% of what I wrote. I made Mal stay up last night and go through her notes about when I stopped, what I ate, what I did, etc. :)
Without her assistance it would've been "Rode bike for a day, ate lots, feel sick, beat record, came second, sore bum" and that's about it :)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: tonyh on 27 July, 2012, 05:38:24 pm
Recovered enough to add my bit:

Huge thanks to all concerned, so many people. Especially grateful to LWAB and HK and co at their Espley Palace of Kindness!

Fantastic event. Time from "Never ever ever ever EVER again" to deciding to enter next year and do it properly:  only about 40 hours.

My story: Preparation quite good until last couple of months, when most of it was prevented. So 6.25 for the first 100 miles was too fast(!). But another 100 in 8 more hours was better than feared... things may be ok. Then gradually stricken by something new to me, "leaning over sideways while feeling upright", and a new pain in the back. Stopping every couple of miles to stretch it out, and not riding very straight. Reached the finishing circuit and called it a day (got as far as the second TK, to be sure of passing the 277m VTTA standard for 70yo ... grateful for the decrease since last year!)

Main message: as above. Just huge thanks.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 July, 2012, 07:22:20 pm
Thanks but the tent, food, tea and most of the kindness and consideration was provided by volunteers of the race organisation. HK and I were just loitering alongside, between supporting our rider. On the other hand, we were happy to provide buckets of encouragement (and abuse, in roughly equal quantities) to riders, making sure they got back on their bikes without wasting too much time.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Ian H on 27 July, 2012, 07:24:24 pm
Thanks but the tent, food, tea and most of the kindness and consideration was provided by volunteers of the race organisation. HK and I were just loitering alongside, between supporting our rider. On the other hand, we were happy to provide buckets of encouragement (and abuse, in roughly equal quantities) to riders, making sure they got back on their bikes without wasting too much time.

Yes. Thank-you you bastard.  ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 27 July, 2012, 07:32:02 pm
That tent (and the chaise-longe+blanket) were a life-saver - apart from the fact I could still hear LWAB while I tried to doze off.

(p.s. thanks guys! )
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 July, 2012, 07:38:25 pm
If you'd have asked nicely I'd have given you some earplugs... HK says you were definitely asleep when she went to wake you up.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 August, 2012, 08:41:51 pm
I'm posting a short film, it should be ready to view at about 9.30 pm.
http://youtu.be/dl-1HEL8ieY
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: jimbhoy on 01 August, 2012, 09:34:08 pm
Nice film, the 24 hour tt and doing an event on a tandem are on my to do list for the future  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: eck on 01 August, 2012, 09:41:09 pm
Nice film, the 24 hour tt and doing an event on a tandem are on my to do list for the future  :thumbsup:
McNasty may be looking for a tandem partner for the 24 next year.  ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: jogler on 01 August, 2012, 10:12:36 pm
mrs eck appears therein,as she did in last year's ESL video, sitting next to the NBFO volvo
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: jimbhoy on 01 August, 2012, 10:15:47 pm
Nice film, the 24 hour tt and doing an event on a tandem are on my to do list for the future  :thumbsup:
McNasty may be looking for a tandem partner for the 24 next year.  ;)

Let me think about that for a second.....NO  :hand:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: eck on 01 August, 2012, 10:24:17 pm
mrs eck appears therein,as she did in last year's ESL video, sitting next to the NBFO volvo
By jings, so she does, fleetingly at 3:12, sitting beside a cool-looking young Y Lee G fils. Well spotted jogler. And a (very belated  :-[ ) but huge THANK YOU for putting up with my grumpiness for (not quite) 24 hours. It was a great help having you there. It's your turn to ride next year.  :demon:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: mattc on 02 August, 2012, 08:53:53 am
I'm posting a short film, it should be ready to view at about 9.30 pm.
http://youtu.be/dl-1HEL8ieY
Good stuff. Tony can watch himself doing the 'PBP lean' @2mins - it's quite disconcerting to see again.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: jogler on 02 August, 2012, 10:03:14 am
mrs eck appears therein,as she did in last year's ESL video, sitting next to the NBFO volvo
By jings, so she does, fleetingly at 3:12,

& @ 3:01

Me ride a 24hr TT :o Not much chance of that  :hand:

I tell you what,I'll ride it if I win the lottery
I reckon I'm safe  ;D
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 August, 2012, 10:23:05 am
As there seems to be a media mod-fest at the moment I did another edit of 24 material to suitable backing, it includes some of the same stuff, and ends the same way. There is a longer film to be made about the 24, maybe even linking in to the Audax and PBP scene. It's nice to be able to promote long-distance cycling, and I do have an enormous library of footage, with some interesting stories to be told. But it is tremendously time-consuming.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh01K1cQ-0c&feature=g-upl
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: tonyh on 02 August, 2012, 10:47:38 am
ESL - superb stuff yet again! Thankyou again. Love your turn of phrase, brilliant.


...doing the 'PBP lean' @2mins - it's quite disconcerting to see again.
Yes. Aaaagh!
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 August, 2012, 10:56:09 am
Love your turn of phrase, brilliant.



I've been a lot happier doing narration since I decided that I only have to appeal to 'My Generation', as we are the core demographic.
I'll have to learn some of the hip lingo of today to cater the for the Wiggites.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: jogler on 02 August, 2012, 11:26:49 am
& some new music
 perhaps the Clash or Small Faces maybe?

Wiggomusic
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 August, 2012, 11:46:34 am
& some new music
 perhaps the Clash or Small Faces maybe?

Wiggomusic

I'm a purist at heart, so this is mod music to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q0wade1K0o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-7QSMyz5rg
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: jogler on 02 August, 2012, 12:44:05 pm


I'm a purist at heart, so this is mod music to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q0wade1K0o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-7QSMyz5rg
[/quote]

 :thumbsup:
&
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Gem on 02 August, 2012, 01:00:54 pm
We did an interview with Ultan for the site for anyone who's interested:  http://www.rapha.cc/twenty-four-hours-later 

Still can't get over one of my good friends being national champion, congratulations again Ult.

Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 August, 2012, 01:17:17 pm
We did an interview with Ultan for the site for anyone who's interested:  http://www.rapha.cc/twenty-four-hours-later 

Still can't get over one of my good friends being national champion, congratulations again Ult.

Nice to see myself in two of those photos, I was impressed with the set-up of your snapper. I was trying to sort out where Ultan might finish to film him stopping, the Timekeepers reckoned it would be at the top of the hill. but Ultan must have put in a special effort to make it to the next but one.
Title: Re: 2012 Mersey Roads 24TT
Post by: Gem on 02 August, 2012, 01:22:17 pm
Very sad to have missed it and all the characters ELS.  Opening a shop and trying to get a 2nd Cat license has taken up much of my time this year.  I'd love to come back next with Graeme and have a stab at the team prize, Ultan already seems committed to a life of long-distance.

The photographer's Wig, lovely guy.  Was photo editor and chief photographer at Sidewalk magazine for many years and came along on the PBP journey with us last year too.