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General Category => The Knowledge => Topic started by: nikki on 19 January, 2021, 09:56:17 pm

Title: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 19 January, 2021, 09:56:17 pm: So I'm in the process of solving the waning fork issue (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=109353.msg2319366#msg2319366) in much the same way as I dealt with the lowrider mounting issue (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=80050.msg1644158#msg1644158) and have just purchased a ye olde mountaine byke from a popular online auction site. Also, conveniently, from a mile or so away from where I live.

The intention is to get it built up to function as a commuter that'll also cope with my penchant for bridleways and towpaths and cobbled ginnels and also that bit with the potholes by the quayside.

Here's the starting point:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50849027501_54d9bc19fb_c.jpg)

It's interesting comparing it to the Scott (which is also a bit too big for me and another factor for changing things up):

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3671/9608273312_98357274aa_z.jpg)

So slender! Standover height! Main triangle that's smaller if you measure it centre-to-centre but also bigger if you measure the space inside where a framebag would go! All that seatpost showing!

As far as I can make out, it's in close to original condition, which unfortunately includes the Shimano FC-CT90 cranks that were recalled in 1997 (https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/information/customer-services/recalls-and-repairs/fc-ct90-m920-mc12-cranks.html). So that's an extra bit of faff, but no immediate need for a commuting bike atm, eh? Hat tip to this thread (https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/973800-worthy-mountain-bike-drop-handlebar-conversion-1995-trek-820-a.html) which gave me a good idea of what I was getting myself into.

Starting a thread here to continue the tradition and also to act as a repository for the inevitable questions and recommendation requests ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 19 January, 2021, 09:57:02 pm: Has anyone dealt with safety recalls before?
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 19 January, 2021, 10:14:29 pm: https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/shimano-crank-recall-time-limit.74533/
Scroll down to replies 7 and 8 for possibly relevant recall info.

Is the QR seat post your gift to Lancaster's lazier bike thieves?

After thinking 'Wow, nikki has seat post showing' I noticed that actually some of the difference is due to the Trek predating the fashion for extending the seat tube above the top tube cluster.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 January, 2021, 10:22:33 pm: Not handled safety recalls in this country.

Contact the Shimano distributor (Madison, I think) with details of your crank (photo is a good idea) and a link to the USA voluntary recall. That should be enough to get them to point you in the right direction for a replacement. https://www.madison.co.uk/about

Drop that handlebar stem. It looks to be above the limit mark.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: ScumOfTheRoad on 19 January, 2021, 10:29:17 pm: Wow! I had a Trek 820. I bought it still unassembled in its box in the caravan park in Aberfoyle. They used to have an MTB shop. Great bike. Lots of adventures. Lots of trails down with the dog we had at the time.

I brought it down to London and it got stolen from the garage of the house I lived in. Long story - a policeman recovered it and gave it back to me. It ws then nicked again - I think the scrote decided he wanted it after all.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 19 January, 2021, 10:49:41 pm: Quote from: Cudzoziemiec on 19 January, 2021, 10:14:29 pm
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/shimano-crank-recall-time-limit.74533/
Scroll down to replies 7 and 8 for possibly relevant recall info.

Is the QR seat post your gift to Lancaster's lazier bike thieves?

After thinking 'Wow, nikki has seat post showing' I noticed that actually some of the difference is due to the Trek predating the fashion for extending the seat tube above the top tube cluster.

I'm trying to figure out whether my best strategy is to approach Madison or LBS first.

There'll be no gifting of any sort to the bike thieves pleasethankyouverymuch! (QRs will get switched to allen socket skewers.)

The Scott's doing quite well in the seat tube extension game, although the Trek seems to be on a par with the other bikes I have to hand here. It's got a nice curve to the top edge, which is nice. (Mostly obscured by the QR lever though!)

Quote from: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 January, 2021, 10:22:33 pm
Contact the Shimano distributor (Madison, I think) with details of your crank (photo is a good idea) and a link to the USA voluntary recall. That should be enough to get them to point you in the right direction for a replacement.

Seems like if I get through to the right person they'll be on board with the idea. Slightly blurry crank stamp photos prepped and ready to go!

Quote from: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 January, 2021, 10:22:33 pm

Drop that handlebar stem. It looks to be above the limit mark.

It doesn't look very safe, does it! It's currently at half mast dangling from the replacement handlebars. The question of the replacement stem will be coming up later...

Quote from: ScumOfTheRoad on 19 January, 2021, 10:29:17 pm
Wow! I had a Trek 820. I bought it still unassembled in its box in the caravan park in Aberfoyle. They used to have an MTB shop. Great bike. Lots of adventures. Lots of trails down with the dog we had at the time.

I brought it down to London and it got stolen from the garage of the house I lived in. Long story - a policeman recovered it and gave it back to me. It ws then nicked again - I think the scrote decided he wanted it after all.

Oof! That post was a bit of a rollercoaster of emotions! Glad you and your 820 had some good times together before it got nicked!
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Frank9755 on 20 January, 2021, 12:08:10 pm: Quote from: nikki on 19 January, 2021, 09:57:02 pm
Has anyone dealt with safety recalls before?

I had a fork on a Kinesis that was subject to a recall. I found the info online and contacted Kinesis, and a new one came in a box. Very smooth. It's all covered by insurance so they are keen to have it work out well to avoid reputational damage.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 20 January, 2021, 05:53:54 pm: I've emailed Madison and switched the knobblies out for 1.5" slicks.
Disappointingly, there isn't quite enough space for a ~~wine~~ Rochester's bottle between the bottom of the rack and the top of the tyre.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: fuaran on 20 January, 2021, 05:55:46 pm: If the cranks haven't broken in the last 25 years, is there much chance of them breaking any time soon?
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 20 January, 2021, 08:28:55 pm: Other questions for the joint committee on ethics and statistics to consider include:

* If an Altus level crankset is still in use after 25 years without much sign of wear, is it likely to have had its structural integrity tested in a meaningful way?

* What does it mean to lend or sell someone a road-going vehicle when you know some of the components are subject to a safety recall?

* If a system is in place to replace the parts in question, why wouldn't you?

Perhaps related:

I've detached the original handlebars/stem now and, having cross-referenced with the photos from when I was walking(!) the bike home, I'm pretty confident the horizontal silvery line shows where it was inserted to.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50857319506_4193c75740_c.jpg)

I'm trying not to think about how long it had been ridden like that!
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Paul on 20 January, 2021, 10:24:20 pm: Holy moly. I once bought a second hand bike and, on the ride home, decided to raise the saddle a smidge. After 5mm the pin popped out. A previous owner had cut it down substantially. Min insert mark was gone.

I had quite an uncomfortable ride home.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 21 January, 2021, 11:30:35 am: Did the seller know there had been a recall? And were they the owner at the time of the recall? Noting the bike was two years old at the time of recall, I can think of a few scenarios why the then-owner wouldn't respond, but none of them are particularly good.

As to the longevity of the cranks, I'd guess that if they haven't broken in the last 25 years chances are they're okay – but also that you're likely to double their total use in a month, so they might not be okay. Can't see a reason not to take whatever replacement Madison offer, but if they don't offer anything I'd probably carry on using it (but not off road).
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Paul on 21 January, 2021, 03:15:17 pm: Quote from: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 January, 2021, 10:22:33 pm
Drop that handlebar stem. It looks to be above the limit mark.

That was a good catch.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 21 January, 2021, 05:54:40 pm: Madison have said they'll replace the crankset (crankset only - others have received crankset, bottom bracket, front derailleur, and chain - because it was bought secondhand). I need to go via a local bike shop to action the warranty claim.

LBS asking me to cover postage and packing on the crankset, so I guess I'll check the sums when I can get it on the scales!

Current status:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50859259032_a39fae5a22_c.jpg)

In carrying the bike outside to take this photo I slid on the wet flagstones, landing on my arse and, judging by the red marks on my arm, on the big ring. So I can confirm this crankset is indeed a safety liability. :facepalm:

I don't think the chap I bought it off knew about the recall. Or the minimum insertion line. Or the loose hub. Or... He said things along the lines of "It's in good condition and runs well" a few times. I think they were hoping to get about double what I ended up paying for it in the end, so I decided not to rain further on their parade with an "Actually..." retort. I'd been to try the bike for size a few days earlier and clocked the issues, so knew what I was getting into. It would have been interesting if I hadn't won the auction - I don't know if I'd have contacted them to let them know or not. Probably would.

Various components earmarked for this build are inaccessible in my studio until campus facilities open up again post lockdown, but in the meantime I plan to do some turbo time and try and identify what stem and what 26" tyres I might be aiming for. It's a looped bar (https://www.ergotec.de/en/products/lenker/sub/city-trekking-lenker/produkt/spacebugel-25-4.html), so will require a stem with a hinge or a faceplate. I'm hoping that turbo experiments might reveal I don't also need to get something really tall. Suggestions welcomed.

Tyres, I'm not sure about: most of my experience is with Marathons. The ones in the photo have been borrowed from another bike and haven't really seen much action yet. The basic commute involves quite a lot of wet chutney, some of it on a nice bendy slope... If I'm feeling spendy, I might go for some Panaracer Gravel Kings, on the basis that I can swap them and the Contis in the photo between two bikes they might be useful on. I don't think I'd want to go much more knobbly than that. Again, suggestions welcomed.

Quote from: Paul on 20 January, 2021, 10:24:20 pm
I once bought a second hand bike and [...]
:o ;D

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=82131.msg2584590#msg2584590
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 21 January, 2021, 08:03:36 pm: Gravel Kings seem good to me in terms of grip, rolling and wear. Not cheap. Be aware there are at least two types: standard and small knob. The standard is a sort of herring bone or file pattern tread. And then some are tubeless compatible (but can still be used with tubes no prob). The choice between black or tan wall is – I think – purely aesthetic.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 21 January, 2021, 09:49:48 pm: I think I read somewhere there were a lot of varieties of the Gravel Kings. I'm starting to wonder if all the action is in the 650b range though, as there doesn't seem to be a lot on offer at 26". I'll keep an eye out for the different tread patterns though - thanks.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 21 January, 2021, 10:32:17 pm: Ah, I'd failed to take the '26-inch wheels are out of fashion' factor into account. Mine are 700s. So yeah, there might not be much in 26s. Shame.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: mcshroom on 22 January, 2021, 01:27:06 pm: ~~Gravelkings don't come in 26" unfortunately.~~ They do now :) - https://www.wiggle.co.uk/panaracer-gravel-king-sk-folding-tyre

Marathons wouldn't be a bad idea, but if you're looking for something different, then Conti Contact Cruisers look big and comfy (if heavy) and are £6.99 on Chainreaction (https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/continental-contact-cruiser-commuter-tyre/rp-prod180972), Continental also do the Double fighter which seems a reasonable looking semi slick. By name, my favourite I've seen is the Schwable Billy Bonkers (https://www.merlincycles.com/schwalbe-billy-bonkers-addix-performance-wired-tyre-26-209076.html)
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 22 January, 2021, 10:15:21 pm: Quote from: Cudzoziemiec on 21 January, 2021, 10:32:17 pm
So yeah, there might not be much in 26s.

It's ~almost~ funny when you click on the 26" checkbox and see the options dwindle.

Quote from: mcshroom on 22 January, 2021, 01:27:06 pm
Continental also do the Double fighter which seems a reasonable looking semi slick. By name, my favourite I've seen is the Schwable Billy Bonkers (https://www.merlincycles.com/schwalbe-billy-bonkers-addix-performance-wired-tyre-26-209076.html)

Thanks mcshroom - looking at the Double Fighter has reminded me I've got some semi slicks on the Old Skool mtb-shaped object. I could try those for a bit and decide which direction to go in from there.

The Billy Bonkers are definitely winning on the silly name front so far!
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 23 January, 2021, 03:13:53 pm: You've got a lot of clearance there. Time to practice your wheelbuilding skills on a pair of 650s? By the time you've paid for rims, spokes and hubs (could reuse those but I don't suppose they're particularly good) it would ~almost~ be worth it. :-\
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 January, 2021, 03:34:16 pm: Mating cantilever brakes positioned for 26” to 650B wheels is not trivial.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 23 January, 2021, 05:56:14 pm: Good point, hadn't thought of that. 12mm or so. How much vertical adjustment do you normally get on cantis? I'm not familiar with them, by the time I got a mountain bike they were on V-brakes. (The whole idea of changing wheel size is probably best ignored even without this, I think.)
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 January, 2021, 06:05:20 pm: Same limited height adjustment problem with V-brakes.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 23 January, 2021, 08:59:36 pm: It'd be the V flavour of awkward in this case.

Getting the bike to fit me and then the commute are the first priorities; further jibbling to be determined by need, mojo and budget!
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 24 January, 2021, 03:00:41 pm: Hey! Wouldn't it be hi.la.ri.ous if I broke a crank trying to remove this seized crank bolt!
>:(
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 24 January, 2021, 03:06:22 pm: Well, I guess that demonstrates the need for the safety recall!
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 24 January, 2021, 03:26:36 pm: Hasn't got that far yet!
*waits for penetrating oil to soak in*
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Bolt on 24 January, 2021, 11:07:41 pm: I can recommend the 26" "Double Fighters", they're a great general duty tyre that rolls incredibly well and are wide enough to provide a decent level of suspension on a fully rigid mtb. Also ime, they work really well set up as tubeless :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 25 January, 2021, 01:16:57 pm: That's good to know, thanks Bolt.

Meanwhile, I've conceded defeat with the driveside crank bolt - I've limited lockdown breaker bar options and I think my tool for it is starting to round out.

I'm going to have to take the frame to the LBS, so went ahead and stripped it. I can now add a rack bolt to the list of things that will need skill/cunning/violence to remove too. Grease wasn't much in evidence anywhere.

I've got a nice collection of cracked cantilever brake collars now:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50874034926_4b254ea9cd_c.jpg)

And found the purple as I was taking flash photos of the bottom bracket mounted front derailleur:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50874032906_06a813f4bf_c.jpg)
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 25 January, 2021, 07:53:03 pm: The LBS manager casually asked about the nature of the safety recall...

(click to show/hide)
Because he's had three pairs of those cranks crack on him.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 03 February, 2021, 07:19:27 pm: Phewp!

Finally got the frame stripped down! The LBS had to get 2 people, breaker bar and heat onto the drive side crank bolt, and it's taken me a couple of days of soaking with penetrating oil to finally be able to muscle the bottom bracket out.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50902310683_a2d43abdc1_c.jpg)

The frame's not in too bad a condition given its age, but the steel is showing in a few places and, I think where a lock might have been hung, the clear topcoat is a bit scuffed.

What might be a good (and reasonably inexpensive) way of treating these areas before I start building the bike up again? Gently knock back the rust, get some nail varnish over the exposed frame and get some car polish or similar on there to freshen up the gloss?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50902333993_246988c64a_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50902304573_c5ee2ded07_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50903013571_1ee0756aaf_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50903131272_523776e7ac_c.jpg)
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Paul on 03 February, 2021, 11:12:41 pm: Admirable fettling.

What problem does that horrible front mech attachment system solve?
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 04 February, 2021, 12:05:17 am: Setting up the front mech by screwing in the BB cup. Easy and fast with a pneumatic tool. Most of these sorts of changes are designed to aid the manufacturer, not the rider.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Kim on 04 February, 2021, 12:16:08 am: Quote from: Paul on 03 February, 2021, 11:12:41 pm
What problem does that horrible front mech attachment system solve?

Recumbents with no derailleur post. But only by accident.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 06 February, 2021, 12:01:33 pm: Yeah, I'm not tempted to re-use the front mech/BB combo in the re-build!

Spindle length and chainline jibbling ahead, but I have now got permission to access my studio (=access to some parts) so I can do some hands-on experimenting with that in the not too distant future, subject to negative covid tests.

A friend has just started an MA in Museum Conservation, so we had some fun earlier this week speculating on what her professional approach to the worn patches on the frame might be! Irreversible changes are frowned upon, but needing to meet the needs of a current user adds in an interesting degree of wiggle room. Alas, she's already been allocated a case study for her coursework.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: cycleman on 06 February, 2021, 06:22:54 pm: If you wax the frame it will keep the rust at bay
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 07 February, 2021, 10:47:13 am: Wax will almost certainly be the last stage. I'm currently pondering how abrasive to get with the stages before that: car polish seems like it might be a go-er, so long as I don't get too enthusiastic with it (I've read that bike clearcoat/paint isn't as thick as car clearcoat/paint); but before that I would like to remove some of the rust. This is going to need a fine touch, and I'm not quite sure how to approach that yet. A polishing wheel on a dremmel feels like it might be an appropriate size and roughness.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Bolt on 07 February, 2021, 09:27:11 pm: I've found these to work well with a dremel, the pack contains a large selection of 4 different grades.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06ZY9K558/ (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06ZY9K558/)
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 07 February, 2021, 09:35:41 pm: Have I said yet that "adventure commuter" is one of the best bicycle descriptions ever?
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: mzjo on 08 February, 2021, 11:37:17 am: Quote from: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 January, 2021, 03:34:16 pm
Mating cantilever brakes positioned for 26” to 650B wheels is not trivial.

Since the subject has (or had) been raised and since it is something that has interested me in the recent past I went back looking. Apparently there are Tektro cantis that will do this job and Paul also do brakes that will cover the adjustment range to go from 559 rims to 584. Since the choice in reasonable quality 26" road tyres is getting limited or non-existant for people who want that sort of tyre (like me when my Paselas wear out) converting to 32-584 is a serious option. The conversion is a lot more problematic if you want bigger section 584 tyres. My frame (a CRC Brand X cheapie dating from 2008) takes 26-2" at the back. 32-584 will go in (under mudguards) but I would have my doubts about my 38mm Pari-Motos. Going up to 45 section would undoubtedly not work.

My frame is now on cable discs so for me brakes don't pose a problem (and I have already had it on 32-584 Hutchinsons which were quite a nice ride but not significantly different from 26"-1.5" Paselas, now wearing out the Paselas before changing back). There is a bit of discussion and some links for brakes/adaptors (that are not all impossibly expensive) here https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-mechanics/1206050-26-27-5-conversion-mountain-bike-what-available-v-brake-options-right-now.html . I have a link to an article on converting 26" to 650b but it's on a different computer and a bit older so I can't put it here.

Re converters for 26"-700c Mavic used to do them before 27.5 became the buzzword. The Limoges Tandem Club used them on all the club tandems (Look and EXS) to put 23-622 tyres on the bikes. Bloody stupid idea that I complained about but the brakes worked fine and nothing broke. Those were with V-brakes and I am not sure they would work with cantis since they may need the geometry of V-brakes to stay in place but in the forum article I linked to people dispute the mechanical strength of post converters and my experience was that they are OK.

This may be all irrelevant for Nicky but if her cantis are getting tired and in need of replacement then new brakes that will cover both rim sizes might be an option (if she wants to accept the limitations on tyre section imposed by 650b). It's all an expense that might not be worth the result but SJS have reasonably priced 584 rims and Kinlins aren't too pricey either (rim choice is a bit limited if you can't use disc brakes!).

Sorry to be a bit late on this :-[
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 08 February, 2021, 12:04:08 pm: I suspect 650s might be ruled out for Nikki on various grounds such as overall cost and height! Good in general to know the options exist of course.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Kim on 08 February, 2021, 05:36:19 pm: Quote from: Cudzoziemiec on 07 February, 2021, 09:35:41 pm
Have I said yet that "adventure commuter" is one of the best bicycle descriptions ever?

No, but I was thinking the same.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: mzjo on 08 February, 2021, 08:38:04 pm: Quote from: Cudzoziemiec on 08 February, 2021, 12:04:08 pm
I suspect 650s might be ruled out for Nikki on various grounds such as overall cost and height! Good in general to know the options exist of course.

I am not sure that height is much of a consideration in the general run of a 90's MTB because the limitation on tyre section posed by the frame means that overall wheel heights can't differ much. The greater limitation is not being able to fit off-road rubber because that comes in sections that physically won't go in (with or without guards - and I imagine that Nikki might want to keep guards on for a commuter; I would even for a bike that would be going off road!)

Cost is a major factor as is finding rims that will take rim brakes. For me in France there are very few options without going to Velo Orange prices and they are all on the heavy side. UK buyers have probably more choice (bizarre for what is a quintessential "french" thing but there you are, the world's a barmy place)
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 08 February, 2021, 09:25:42 pm: Quote from: Bolt on 07 February, 2021, 09:27:11 pm
I've found these to work well with a dremel, the pack contains a large selection of 4 different grades.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06ZY9K558/ (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06ZY9K558/)

"80 pcs are quite enough for your daily using" :-)

I found a 1200 grit jeweller's emery stick, and I've managed to get most of the scrapes cleaned up with that.

Now I'm worried I'm living an unfulfilled life if I haven't got a use for 80 polishing wheels though!

Quote from: Kim on 08 February, 2021, 05:36:19 pm
Quote from: Cudzoziemiec on 07 February, 2021, 09:35:41 pm
Have I said yet that "adventure commuter" is one of the best bicycle descriptions ever?

No, but I was thinking the same.

The commute here isn't quite as adventurous as the previous one along the Birmingham & Fazeley by the Jewellery Quarter, but I like to be prepared.

I'll run it at 26" to start with to figure things out and see if it's worth investing more in. Yes to mudguards - it feels like it rarely stops raining here!
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 06 March, 2021, 05:36:15 pm: Sourcing components has been interesting...

The LBS contacted me to tell me that Madison couldn't supply the replacement crankset, but the LBS could give me a credit of £9.99 instead.

Meanwhile I'm in conversation with Madison double-checking if I really should be being charged labour and postage by the LBS as part of the recall. No, no I shouldn't. And they've got an alternative crankset (RRP~£30) they can send me if I like. And they've covered what the LBS were charging me.

Everything else has basically turned into a complete re-build, which was challenging given the lack of stock in the UK and the entirely foreseeable effects of leaving the EU. I think I'm just waiting on the obligatory SJS order now, having discovered the headset is a) damaged and b) JIS with the 27mm crown race seat.

On the plus side: the dark blue of the fade matches the colour scheme of the bridesmaids at my sister's wedding and I've found a use for the nail varnish I've not used in the several years since!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51009495171_1844649607_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51009594842_34ccace980_c.jpg)
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Kim on 06 March, 2021, 05:37:33 pm: That's very forward-thinking of your sister :thumbsup:

(This week I have been mostly trying to obtain a specific Shimano freehub body. The joys of Brexit...)
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 06 March, 2021, 06:10:39 pm: "Nikki wearing nail varnish". No. I know each word individually but as a sentence...
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 06 March, 2021, 07:19:01 pm: Quote from: Kim on 06 March, 2021, 05:37:33 pm
That's very forward-thinking of your sister :thumbsup:

Yes! Do you think they'll mind if I take the fork into Boots to colour match the electric blue...?

Quote from: Cudzoziemiec on 06 March, 2021, 06:10:39 pm
"Nikki wearing nail varnish". No. I know each word individually but as a sentence...

I used to wear clear nail varnish loads when I was learning to juggle clubs and needed reinforcements.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Ashaman42 on 06 March, 2021, 07:35:32 pm: I can juggle balls but anytime I try something "ended" it all goes to pot.

I assume there's a knack and practice is the main thing but any specific thing I should be doing?
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Kim on 06 March, 2021, 09:11:10 pm: Quote from: Ashaman42 on 06 March, 2021, 07:35:32 pm
I can juggle balls but anytime I try something "ended" it all goes to pot.

I assume there's a knack and practice is the main thing but any specific thing I should be doing?

Wearing nail varnish, apparently.

I think our collection (in an assortment of 90s Goth colours, natch) has dried up.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 06 March, 2021, 11:00:21 pm: Quote from: Ashaman42 on 06 March, 2021, 07:35:32 pm
any specific thing I should be doing?

Oh gosh, I'm not sure I can remember that much detail that far back.

If you were to ask my Mum, she'd be very definite about not doing it in the house under any circumstances. All my memories of it are very much located in the back garden. I think there was a *lot* of practise, by virtue of us living in a tiny village and there not being much else to do. Maybe quite a lot of single club work to get the hang of how the spin worked. Then I developed boobs and it became an anatomically incompatible past-time.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 March, 2021, 10:04:06 pm: My younger son was/is a very accomplished juggler. I'm pretty sure he has juggled clubs. He hasn't grown boobs though.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 24 March, 2021, 08:55:56 am: Some hoops (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=118665.msg2603131#msg2603131) have arrived. I will not be juggling with them.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 24 March, 2021, 09:01:13 am: Ooh, what bits did you order?
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 24 March, 2021, 11:49:53 am: Deore 610 hubs with Exal LX17 rims.

I ordered a Stronglight bottom bracket too, whilst Baldwins are still failing to send me the UN55 I ordered. I think that means I've got everything to build up a rideable bike now. Stem will be something to revisit, and mudguards and rack are still outstanding, but I want to ride it a bit first and see where we're at.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 24 March, 2021, 12:48:27 pm: That Exal looks chunky. Hope the build goes well.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: sojournermike on 24 March, 2021, 08:33:56 pm: Lx17 in 26” form. That should be tough!
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Kim on 24 March, 2021, 10:53:37 pm: I've had one on the back of the Streetmachine for a couple of metric yonks, and fully expect it to die of corrosion (of which there is some, but not alarming, evidence below the rim tape). It helps that the rim brake is only used as a parking brake.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 25 March, 2021, 04:47:14 pm: They weren't the chunkiest of Spa's sturdy touring offerings!

I've similar exals on my tourer and possibly the current commuter too. They're getting a lot of abuse from bits of grit getting lodged in my brake pads, so a bit of chunk on the braking surface is probably no bad thing.
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 05 April, 2021, 07:50:11 pm: *** MAIDEN VOYAGE! ***

I panicked for the first 30 seconds of riding, fearing I'd made a serious administartive error and invested a load of time and money in something that was too small for me. But it soon became apparent that it felt odd because it wasn't too big for me - this is new!

After checking out the newly re-opened Lune path, I engaged Adventure Mode on a succession of ruff stuffs.

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It rides really nicely! Same chainset that I use on my tourer and commuter; I spent a remarkable amount of time in the big ring!

The handlebars are Ergotec Space Bugels, and the width and sweep of those suit me very well it seems.
Cables cut quite long for now whilst I figure out what to do about handlebar position and experiment with baggage on the bars.

The saddle is a Specialised Power Expert from Ebay. I've not used these before, but we did well considering our first encounter was 26 bumpy miles and I've barely done more than 2.6 miles in any saddle so far this year. Hard to tell what's due to the saddle and what's due to a better fitting bike at this stage...

The gear shifters are Deore spec, also from ebay. I'm used to Acera shifters on my Dawes and wasn't expecting to miss the plastic-y clacks as it indexes between gears. Cockpit set-up is always a compromise because things are never sized to accommodate smaller hands, so I have to move around on the bars quite a lot to change gears. The audio feedback that I've been able to stretch far enough to change to a larger sprocket turns out to be quite useful! These quieter ones are going to take a bit of getting used to...

I didn't do a huge amount on tarmac, but I didn't feel like I was fighting the Double Fighters when I did. They (1.9") were, unsurprisingly, noticeably more stable on the bumpy stuff than the 32mm Marathons on the Galaxy. I had the pressure up near max, so might reduce that a bit to benefit a bit more from the cushioning.

V-brakes also an improvement on the Galaxy cantilevers!

Trouble is, now I'm a bit reluctant to put mudguards and rack on it to enable Commuter Mode :facepalm:
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 05 April, 2021, 08:01:42 pm: Looking good! And the self-knitted hoops are looking... circular and shiny. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Kim on 05 April, 2021, 08:57:05 pm: Good stuff! :thumbsup:

(Is a Space Bugel what you use to wake a platoon of Space Marines?)
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 05 April, 2021, 10:31:52 pm: Just the one space cadet here...
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 18 April, 2021, 10:18:01 pm: Quote from: Cudzoziemiec on 05 April, 2021, 08:01:42 pm
And the self-knitted hoops are looking... circular and shiny. :thumbsup:

I put them back on the truing stand and, even though I'd not gone to super tight tolerances first time around, they didn't need much tidying up after that test ride.

Today it got its proper initiation:

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The stepping stones made it apparent it is not a light bike, but I don't really notice it when I'm riding. I still like it ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 19 April, 2021, 08:50:08 am: Lovely ford!
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: BrianI on 20 April, 2021, 10:19:42 pm: Quote from: nikki on 05 April, 2021, 07:50:11 pm

*** MAIDEN VOYAGE! ***

I panicked for the first 30 seconds of riding, fearing I'd made a serious administartive error and invested a load of time and money in something that was too small for me. But it soon became apparent that it felt odd because it wasn't too big for me - this is new!

After checking out the newly re-opened Lune path, I engaged Adventure Mode on a succession of ruff stuffs.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51097494868_787c05ee88_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51097711760_3d7657a984_c.jpg)

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It rides really nicely! Same chainset that I use on my tourer and commuter; I spent a remarkable amount of time in the big ring!

The handlebars are Ergotec Space Bugels, and the width and sweep of those suit me very well it seems.
Cables cut quite long for now whilst I figure out what to do about handlebar position and experiment with baggage on the bars.

The saddle is a Specialised Power Expert from Ebay. I've not used these before, but we did well considering our first encounter was 26 bumpy miles and I've barely done more than 2.6 miles in any saddle so far this year. Hard to tell what's due to the saddle and what's due to a better fitting bike at this stage...

The gear shifters are Deore spec, also from ebay. I'm used to Acera shifters on my Dawes and wasn't expecting to miss the plastic-y clacks as it indexes between gears. Cockpit set-up is always a compromise because things are never sized to accommodate smaller hands, so I have to move around on the bars quite a lot to change gears. The audio feedback that I've been able to stretch far enough to change to a larger sprocket turns out to be quite useful! These quieter ones are going to take a bit of getting used to...

I didn't do a huge amount on tarmac, but I didn't feel like I was fighting the Double Fighters when I did. They (1.9") were, unsurprisingly, noticeably more stable on the bumpy stuff than the 32mm Marathons on the Galaxy. I had the pressure up near max, so might reduce that a bit to benefit a bit more from the cushioning.

V-brakes also an improvement on the Galaxy cantilevers!

Trouble is, now I'm a bit reluctant to put mudguards and rack on it to enable Commuter Mode :facepalm:

Lovely looking bike, and comfy looking handlebars! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 21 April, 2021, 10:22:49 am: Quote from: Cudzoziemiec on 19 April, 2021, 08:50:08 am
Lovely ford!

That whole section of track made us grin! Great place for harvesting wild garlic, too.
I'm not sure the water level will ever be low enough to ride through, and from the photo someone's put on Google maps, it looks like the stones can get very submerged, so it'll be an interesting one to get to know.

Quote from: BrianI on 20 April, 2021, 10:19:42 pm
Lovely looking bike, and comfy looking handlebars! :thumbsup:

Thanks! Yeah, the bars are working well for me. Only done maybe 50-60 miles on them so far, but I like them.

I'd gone to an On One Fleegle on my hardtail, and that was an improvement on the stock bars, so I thought I'd try something with a bit more sweep still. The trick will be in trying to remember they're not mtb bars and I shouldn't abuse them too much!
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: nikki on 23 April, 2021, 02:06:35 pm: Put a rack on it.

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It aten't an adventure commute unless the sheds are flying the Jolly Roger

I'm starting to detect a few bumps and rattles now, so time for a tune-up, but other than that it's still a delight to ride!
Title: Re: 1995 Trek 820 to adventure commuter conversion
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 23 April, 2021, 02:46:48 pm: Uggle Lane... I don't think that's Covid safe, unless it's with someone in your 'ubble. ;D

Yeah, that's my coat, the one that says 'oat.