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Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 27 March, 2008, 11:43:32 pm
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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 March, 2008, 09:02:05 am
Doh!

Even here I'm being nagged!  ::)

OK, OK - I'll get some scales and do it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: iakobski on 28 March, 2008, 01:03:23 pm
I've been trying to lose weight by cycling and it hasn't really been working. I was 90 kg on Jan 1, which is 10-15 more than I'd like to be.

So I've devised this new diet.

In the last two weeks I've lost 3 kg. And a belt-notch. I don't feel hungry. Or tired. I fully expect to be below 80 kg by the end of April.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 28 March, 2008, 02:41:19 pm
are you just chopping bits off?  I dont think that counts as a diet..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alecstilleyedye on 28 March, 2008, 04:25:05 pm
did you see the paralympic chap at the worlds with a carbon fiber leg  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on 28 March, 2008, 10:45:41 pm
I have resettled at 11st after a brief excursion over that at the depths of winter.  Last summer I was 10'10 for the duration.  I am Against dieting & suchlike but am hoping that a bit more audaxing & perhaps a smidgen less of the biscuit consumption will see me back down the few pounds.  Hm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 29 March, 2008, 12:39:47 pm
I am wearing a lot of my old jeans from 10 years ago.  This is such a nice feeling - to actually fit your clothes rather than rely upon popping the top button or the clothes stretching to accommodate you.
I am really proud of myself so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: innesh on 29 March, 2008, 02:28:18 pm
did you see the paralympic chap at the worlds with a carbon fiber leg  :o

Carbon fibre leg?  Nah, steel is real  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Arthur on 30 March, 2008, 03:15:37 am
I am wearing a lot of my old jeans from 10 years ago.  This is such a nice feeling - to actually fit your clothes rather than rely upon popping the top button or the clothes stretching to accommodate you.
I am really proud of myself so far.

I'm in a similar situation except, searching through my wardrobe, the only old stuff in a smaller size I found were a couple of pairs of summer shorts, a Vic Reeves Big Night Out T-shirt and a couple of cheesecloth shirts that I last wore in the late '70s. Time to go shopping, I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 30 March, 2008, 07:34:57 am
That is the bravest post I have seen in a while.
Cheese cloth vests?  Oh my.  Rab C Nesbitt springs to mind  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on 01 April, 2008, 10:55:20 am
I have resettled at 11st after a brief excursion over that at the depths of winter.  Last summer I was 10'10 for the duration.  I am Against dieting & suchlike but am hoping that a bit more audaxing & perhaps a smidgen less of the biscuit consumption will see me back down the few pounds.  Hm.

Except that this morning I applied the measuring tape, & discovered that I am pretty much bang on what I measured in the middle of last summer when I was 10'10.  Maybe I have actually put on muscle rather than fat.  I woke Pete up (damn these working from home types who get a lie in) to tell him this & he thought that I was looking more toned of late.  So I shan't worry about the 4 pounds :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 01 April, 2008, 10:44:23 pm
The difference to my appearance that The Dean on Saturday made is astonishing.  I looked positively flabby on Friday, and quite a bit skinnier on Sunday.  I spent lunchtime today eating 3 (small) plates of free curry.  Bring on the Elenith.  :evil:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andygates on 01 April, 2008, 11:14:10 pm
My grand plan to shed six lurgy kilos fast (to fit into my triathlon wetsuit) has been foiled by Cheerios.  Halfway there.  Must resist...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 02 April, 2008, 12:34:35 pm
Try weighing yourself before and after training.  The immediate loss must be due to water loss but it's interesting to see how much this is.   Before a 50 minute interval session on the turbo 82.6.  After the session 81.8.  Nearly a kilo and I drunk about a litre of fluids during the session.

My weight based on fixed conditions ( weds morning, after 2 cups of tea but before I get dressed ) went up this week by a Kg.  However, I am not particularly bothered by this.  As the interval stuff shows a kilo of water can go on and off in the blink of an eye
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: FatBloke on 02 April, 2008, 03:43:38 pm
Today another milestone!!!

I am now 16 stone (and some pounds) I'm quite chuffed!   :)  Especially as I am now lighter than Wowbagger!!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 03 April, 2008, 10:56:15 am
It appears I have not got the hang of this loss lark.  :-[

The weight is increasing in nicely controlled small amounts ::-)

The time is approaching for action,perhaps I should
ride my bike
miss out the vanilla slices,doughnuts bread,Grolsch et al  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 03 April, 2008, 12:56:44 pm
Solidly stuck on 85.5 kg's, despite losing an inch or so at the waist (but adding it on the chest).
Kendo/gym training has been minimal due to a tear in my calf-muscle, which hasn't helped.
 Yesterday we had our inaugural meet in Rollapaluza.cc and I was by far the fattest person there, which means I'll have to work hard over the summer and I will (optimistically) keep my gym-membership over the summer.
80kgs by August! and max. 82kg by Christmas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 10 April, 2008, 01:38:00 pm
It appears I have not got the hang of this loss lark.  :-[

The weight is increasing in nicely controlled small amounts ::-)

The time is approaching for action,perhaps I should
ride my bike
miss out the vanilla slices,doughnuts bread,Grolsch et al  :hand:

another half kilo gain :-[

Perhaps I should give up giving up cycling
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 10 April, 2008, 01:47:35 pm
Two 300s in 8 days has certainly helped, but I expect today's even lower reading is due to my current lurgy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 10 April, 2008, 05:01:53 pm
hmmph the diet isn't going to well this week

I did a bit of snacking on mon/tues and went out for a meal and had a meal out + couple of pints weds

today I had a choc brownie

I seem to be 1,5 Kg up.  It goes back on easier than it comes off :)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 10 April, 2008, 06:35:50 pm
Another one who does not seem to have got the right idea as it is another week of gaining weight.   :-[  :-[  :-[

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 10 April, 2008, 08:17:17 pm
Today another milestone!!!

I am now 16 stone (and some pounds) I'm quite chuffed!   :)  Especially as I am now lighter than Wowbagger!!   ;D ;D

At this rate you will be lighter than me soon, so I have to hand over the "Skinny Barstard Baton" I was given by Mike last year :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 10 April, 2008, 08:20:17 pm
Another one who does not seem to have got the right idea as it is another week of gaining weight.   :-[  :-[  :-[

Geoff

we could form anti-weight loss thread ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 11 April, 2008, 07:14:32 pm
In an attempt to actually shame myself into not attacking the snack machine at work, I shall join the weight loss tracker as from Wednesday!

(There -- now I've told you all I'll have to do it!)

Steve
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 16 April, 2008, 06:29:12 am
A very small step in the right direction this week I stayed the same!!

Now I just have to lose a bit. :-[

LESS IN MORE OUT.
LESS IN MORE OUT.
LESS IN MORE OUT.
LESS IN MORE OUT.
LESS IN MORE OUT.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 16 April, 2008, 08:26:33 am
* Knocks on door and pokes head round ...*

I've decided to re-join you all if that's OK?    I am a lapsed member.

I was losing weight steadily but surely and dropped from an all-time high of 109kgs to 98kgs.   I must have got complacent.   I'm now slowly creepiong back up and have reached 101kgs today.   I know why and Marmitegeoff is spot on.   :(  :-[

   

 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 16 April, 2008, 01:17:54 pm
Except that this morning I applied the measuring tape, & discovered that I am pretty much bang on what I measured in the middle of last summer when I was 10'10.  Maybe I have actually put on muscle rather than fat.  I woke Pete up (damn these working from home types who get a lie in) to tell him this ....

Oh, how I know that feeling  :-\ .  You're deeply in slumber, enjoying your dream when, 'HEY, YOU ... DOES MY BUM LOOK BIG IN THIS?'  It takes a certain skill, tact and presence of mind to realise what's happening and come up with the right response ...  :evil:  ;D ;D   Just kiddin'  ;)

 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spen666 on 17 April, 2008, 10:23:25 am
Is more/bigger not better?


Damn, I've not got the hang of this have I?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 17 April, 2008, 11:39:40 am
I am down to 72.7kg which is about 1kg lighter than before The Dean/Elenith rides.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 22 April, 2008, 08:28:36 pm
88 kg today, checked on 3 different scales at work and gym.  :)
Was wondering if I was ever going to get down below 90kg. Not only that, but I actually feel a bit lighter. Remarkably this comes after a week in Malta during which I had a "full English" for breakfast virtually every day, something I normally rarely do.  ???

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 22 April, 2008, 08:59:08 pm
I weighed myself tonight.  74.3kg.  Ho hum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 22 April, 2008, 09:00:08 pm
Bloody whippet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 23 April, 2008, 07:05:12 am
AHA!  The motivation has started working.  Thanks chaps.

Reversed the recent trend and dropped a whole 1kg in my first week.  I'm very pleased.

This last week I have been very conscious of the chocolate, cake, chips and crisps1 that have come my way.   Much less2 than in recent weeks.   

1Hmm, it seems that my weight gain sins all begin with c ...

2And yes, that was 'much less' as oppose to 'none'.   ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 23 April, 2008, 07:18:58 pm
I only managed a small step in the right direction .5kg DOWN  :)

Must do more of the less in more out routine.

less in more out
less in more out
less in more out etc. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 24 April, 2008, 08:50:07 am
Managed to keep my weight steady, despite not being on the bike for close to 3 weeks. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 24 April, 2008, 09:11:20 am
I am not recording my weight in the other thread but I'd like to say I lost 3kg last week by eating less between meals and riding more miles. Weight now 82kg. I didn't start weighing myself until last week, I was heavier while I was immobile, I will not weigh myself every week so long as I feel I am doing OK, I do not want to get obsessed with the numbers. My health check said I wasn't overweight anyway.  My strength is good atm too so once I get down to my 'fighting' weight I'll be flying.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 24 April, 2008, 10:09:32 am
I am not recording my weight in the other thread but I'd like to say I lost 3kg last week by eating less between meals and riding more miles. Weight now 82kg. I didn't start weighing myself until last week, I was heavier while I was immobile, I will not weigh myself every week so long as I feel I am doing OK, I do not want to get obsessed with the numbers. My health check said I wasn't overweight anyway.  My strength is good atm too so once I get down to my 'fighting' weight I'll be flying.

You are going to hate me for saying this but that is too much weight to lose in one week, around 1-2lbs would be ideal.

I would aim for that sort of weight loss over a month.  It is better for you in the long term.

Hugs
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 24 April, 2008, 10:11:33 am
I didn't aim for it, it just happened.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 24 April, 2008, 10:22:29 am
And could easily be explained by usual fluctuations in weight caused by hydration levels. Up 1.5kg last weigh in, down 1.5kg this weigh in and there's a 3kg difference with no real weight loss.

This is why focusing on the comparison with the previous weigh-in is bad for you. I weigh myself every day, but record it once a week (first thing Wednesday morning after going for a pee) where I'm usually in the same state of hydration, but over the week I'll see anything up to 2kg difference (both up and down). I write down whatever the scales say on a Wednesday morning, even if I've seen other figures during the week. And instead of comparing myself to just last week I look at the general trend over the last 4 weeks. Is my weight heading in the right direction (or staying steady as I want it to be doing at the moment)?

I "lost" 4.5kg in one day once, but all of it water. In the morning I weighed myself after drinking 2 litres (i.e. 2kg) of water/squash. I then did a DIY 200km Audax in 20oC weather and probably only drinking 4 litres of water. I weighed myself when I got back and there's no surprise I was much lighter. I needed to drink another 3 litres of water that evening before I was properly hydrated again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 05 May, 2008, 08:54:50 am
I actually saw 18 st 0 lbs on the scales just after Christmas, and 16 st 13 lbs just once in April. I'm now back up at 17st 6 lbs.

I've cycled 2,200 miles since 1st January.

In the last ten years, my weight has ranged from 19 st 3 lbs to 14 st 10 lbs.

It is really depressing to be so heavy. I've been fighting my weight for thirty years.

I'm not stupid, I know what to eat and what to avoid. But I don't have the willpower to keep a sensible diet going for more than two weeks, let alone two years. I eat too much, and I can't seem to stop.

Bollocks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 05 May, 2008, 09:09:31 am
I knew it would happen but I am still unimpressed.
5 kilogrammes I have put on - all around my waist.  I feel fat.  I had been so good before going to Australia.
Looks like more LSD training for me.
I need to shift this weight before the summer lycra season arrives.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 05 May, 2008, 06:06:02 pm
Same old story of Good Intentions!
Managed a high of 20 stones and 6 pounds a week or so back so it has got to be started serious like now!
129kg :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 05 May, 2008, 06:09:51 pm
I find it has been enough for me to simply develop a rough awareness of the energy content of foods. I've never had to think about it before; I always tried to avoid easting crap but the calories never entered my head.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 05 May, 2008, 06:13:26 pm
My weight's crept up since The Elenith to around 74kg but back down to under 73kg this morning.  I am dehydrated though so it'll be a day or two before the real effect of the Severn Across is known.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 07 May, 2008, 08:24:13 am
It's slow progress but steady as she goes seems to be working for me.   I chose perhaps the worst time for me to join the thread - just as I had settled in to to six weeks very intensive desk jockeying.   Two weeks to go and remarkably I'm 2 kgs down.  Usually this type of work puts me more than 2 kgs up!   The hard work has been enforced restraint.

The good news:  Well, in two weeks time I have a bit of time off and can get on with fettling, cycling and chewing the fat in earnest in here.   ;D ;D

I have not put a target in the reports thread other than I want to be able to see my toes.  Well, I can't anyway standing up.  Bloody crap eyes you see.   I can see the outline of my feet though so it definitely is working.   ;D

My efforts since last October are rewarded with the fact that I can use some pre 2007 cycling kit so no new kit needed.   I needed some larger kit last year.   :(   Shaved a few more pounds then  :thumbsup:

     
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 May, 2008, 08:36:54 am
I actually saw 18 st 0 lbs on the scales just after Christmas, and 16 st 13 lbs just once in April. I'm now back up at 17st 6 lbs.

I've cycled 2,200 miles since 1st January.

In the last ten years, my weight has ranged from 19 st 3 lbs to 14 st 10 lbs.

It is really depressing to be so heavy. I've been fighting my weight for thirty years.

I'm not stupid, I know what to eat and what to avoid. But I don't have the willpower to keep a sensible diet going for more than two weeks, let alone two years. I eat too much, and I can't seem to stop.

Bollocks.
That is an almost exact description of my condition, although it's rather longer since I weighed less than 15 stone. That would have been in the late 1980s when I was introduced to badminton and played quite a bit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 07 May, 2008, 09:40:23 am
I actually saw 18 st 0 lbs on the scales just after Christmas, and 16 st 13 lbs just once in April. I'm now back up at 17st 6 lbs.

I've cycled 2,200 miles since 1st January.

In the last ten years, my weight has ranged from 19 st 3 lbs to 14 st 10 lbs.

It is really depressing to be so heavy. I've been fighting my weight for thirty years.

I'm not stupid, I know what to eat and what to avoid. But I don't have the willpower to keep a sensible diet going for more than two weeks, let alone two years. I eat too much, and I can't seem to stop.

Bollocks.
That is an almost exact description of my condition, although it's rather longer since I weighed less than 15 stone. That would have been in the late 1980s when I was introduced to badminton and played quite a bit.

Food is my addiction and it sounds like yours also.

Skinny people don't believe food is an addictive drug but they don't understand and can get quite pompous (try going without it for a few weeks).

Of course the problem food-addicts have is that:
1) They are surrounded by it
2) It's socially acceptable
3) You must have at least some every day (unlike booze, nicotine and heroin)
4) It tastes f***ing gorgeous (why can't they make food taste horrible? I'd be thin)
5) Eating is not all about hunger and survival

I hate being overweight.  I love being lighter and fitter.  I feel bad immediately after overeating.  I feel great after eating healthily.  I'm intelligent enough to understand what causes weight gain and yet I can (and do) overeat.

Go figure.

I'm losing weight now but I know I will always be at risk of piling it all back on again for the rest of my life. 

I never knowingly walked past a bacon sandwich.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 May, 2008, 05:38:33 pm
Yes, I love food. There's little I don't like, but salads are fairly high on the list of stuff that I cannot be bothered with.

I enjoy a good breakfast cereal, but always include the full cooked option when staying away. When we were doing LEJOG last year, I think it was our second B & B which offered smoked salmon and scrambled eggs. I was so enthusiastic that the landlady produced a portion for Mrs. Wow as well - but she doesn't like smoked salmon. Guess where hers went? I spent the first 20 miles or so feeling slightly queasy after that.

Roast dinners? Magnificent. Curry? Suberb. Italian? Marvellous! Chinese? Terrific. Then give me suet pudding and syrup. Or just as a snack, good home-made bread with even better home-made Seville orange marmalade.

Oh I don't mind apple pie & custard either.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 08 May, 2008, 11:21:39 am
Yes, I love food. There's little I don't like, but salads are fairly high on the list of stuff that I cannot be bothered with.

I enjoy a good breakfast cereal, but always include the full cooked option when staying away. When we were doing LEJOG last year, I think it was our second B & B which offered smoked salmon and scrambled eggs. I was so enthusiastic that the landlady produced a portion for Mrs. Wow as well - but she doesn't like smoked salmon. Guess where hers went? I spent the first 20 miles or so feeling slightly queasy after that.

Roast dinners? Magnificent. Curry? Suberb. Italian? Marvellous! Chinese? Terrific. Then give me suet pudding and syrup. Or just as a snack, good home-made bread with even better home-made Seville orange marmalade.

Oh I don't mind apple pie & custard either.

You make Pete Doherty seem quite restrained.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on 12 May, 2008, 07:31:47 pm
Eeek FatBloke weighs less than me and he's about 3x my height :S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 12 May, 2008, 07:46:30 pm
Not FatBloke it's NotSoFatBloke now :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 12 May, 2008, 08:29:18 pm
Eeek FatBloke weighs less than me and he's about 3x my height :S
Wear platform shoes and a top-hat
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 17 May, 2008, 07:33:35 am
This weeks increase of 1kg makes it clear that I am putting too many calories into a large hole with too few calories being discarded from a smaller hole :-[

A serious effort is needed to give visible results so here is the plan,arrived at after careful consideration over the last couple of days.

1. Get a sports bra to control recently developed man-boobs when going up & down the stairs to use the bathroom

2. Wear a smock(must get one with 3 pockets on the back) to disguise the 24 weeks pregnant waist profile.

3. Cut out bread,biscuits,crisps,vanilla slices & other anti-smoking substitutes & guilty pleasures.I think I may have broken the habit after 10 years.

4. Eat more fruit as snacks using the grazing method of combating hunger instead of 3 meals a day plus rubbish referred to in item 3.

5. Alter habits & routines to make more time available for exercise so that I can instigate an exercise programme

6. Cycle & walk more on short journeys.

I must admit that I find any attempt at dieting,however casual,extremely difficult & a severe test of will-power:so much so that I consider that I had less difficulty giving up smoking than I do with not eating the biscuits & vanilla slices that I am so fond of.

The most frustrating aspect is that I did lose 5kg over a period of Jan to Dec a couple of years ago with very little effort & now struggle to achieve the same results.Perhaps some new scales is the answer,from tha same company that made my spirit level with the bubble painted onto the glass ;)

Feel free to add any constructive comment or suggestions.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 19 May, 2008, 09:38:20 am
I would suggest WeightWatchers.  The support you get from a group is quite important I think.  Plus WeightWatchers is medically approved, which is vital, and they won't allow you to lose to much to quickly.  WW is about thcanging eating habits as much as anything.

Plus they do 'men only' groups - unfortunately, there isn't one near me.  Although the ladies are very supportive and weigh in is like being surrounded by a crowd of supportive mother hens!   ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 21 May, 2008, 07:21:59 pm
...weigh in is like being surrounded by a crowd of supportive mother hens!   ;D

I can just imagine it  ;D

86 kg for me today  :)

That's 6 kg down from January. This is despite regular gym attendance, plenty of protein, and noticeably (well, to me anyway) bigger legs. Mainly from simply being a little more conscious of what I eat, portion control, and spending a bit more time hungry.

All rather pointless until I give up smoking though  :-[

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 05 June, 2008, 09:03:59 am
The layout has gone pear-shaped for reasons which are beyond me :-[ so I have put yesterday's weight in the "latest" line at the end.
The loss has not yet occurred again. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cometworm on 05 June, 2008, 09:39:13 am
That's 6 kg down from January. This is despite regular gym attendance, plenty of protein, and noticeably (well, to me anyway) bigger legs. Mainly from simply being a little more conscious of what I eat, portion control, and spending a bit more time hungry.

:-) I had a similar find this morning - 84.7, down from 92kg in January. I'm trying to stay more active, in addition to the cycling (gym, climbing, taking the stairs instead of the lifts, etc) but mostly I think it's down to having broken my brownie habit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 05 June, 2008, 11:34:54 am
but mostly I think it's down to having broken my brownie habit.

have you progressed to Girl Guides now then?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 05 June, 2008, 11:55:26 am
I've lost 15½lbs in 4 weeks with WeightWatchers.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 05 June, 2008, 04:02:42 pm
I've lost 15½lbs in 4 weeks with WeightWatchers.   :thumbsup:

HellsBells,that's impressive.Well done :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 05 June, 2008, 08:03:39 pm
I'm back to where I was before I went away.
On track.  Happy and satisfied so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 June, 2008, 08:16:31 pm
...weigh in is like being surrounded by a crowd of supportive mother hens!   ;D

I can just imagine it  ;D

86 kg for me today  :)

That's 6 kg down from January. This is despite regular gym attendance, plenty of protein, and noticeably (well, to me anyway) bigger legs. Mainly from simply being a little more conscious of what I eat, portion control, and spending a bit more time hungry.

All rather pointless until I give up smoking though  :-[

Regard it as an investment because when you give up smoking you will almost certainly put on a bit of weight. The trick is to cut out the fags and remain below what you were on 1/1/08. Result!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 05 June, 2008, 08:49:51 pm
If you're aware and watchful of what you eat/drink before you give up the tabs then you much less likely to put on the pounds when you do give up.

And I can't say enough about the phrase "and spending a bit more time hungry". As I'm sure you know Sgt Pluck, it works a treat if you don't over-compensate when you finally do eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 05 June, 2008, 09:22:53 pm
I weighed in at the Hospital yesterday, two weeks after the last one, and have lost 5lbs.     Down to 20st 1lb!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 05 June, 2008, 09:41:47 pm
I weighed in at the Hospital yesterday, two weeks after the last one, and have lost 5lbs.     Down to 20st 1lb!

That's excellent news, well done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 07 June, 2008, 02:05:58 pm
I'm down to 70.8kg as of last night.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 11 June, 2008, 08:29:29 am
84.80 kg.  I am smiling.  Going well, going well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andydauddwr on 11 June, 2008, 09:33:46 am
Mine's coming off quite nicely now too.  77.5Kg today and I started the year at 84.  Would like to end up at 70ish in due course, but 75 will be a big milestone as that's the best I achieved last year...

AC
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 11 June, 2008, 06:58:33 pm
I've lost a kilo :o I was not expecting that.
 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 11 June, 2008, 07:41:44 pm
I've lost a kilo :o I was not expecting that.
 ;D

I've found it, don't worry!  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 June, 2008, 07:54:48 pm
I was pleased this morning to be 105.8 kg, or 16½ stone rounded.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 12 June, 2008, 08:18:11 am
It was my weigh in last night.  Only 1/2lb down this week...  :(

That'll teach me to pig out last weekend.  I blame my 8 year old niece - it was her birthday party.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 12 June, 2008, 09:04:03 am
As I keep saying to Marj..I don't like being force-fed either ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 12 June, 2008, 09:17:33 am
As I keep saying to Marj..I don't like being force-fed either ;)


She can always force feed us cake at York....  :D :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 12 June, 2008, 01:17:16 pm
I'm 71.3kg.  Should lose a bit more this weekend. I think going under 70kg could be taking it too far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on 17 June, 2008, 07:49:11 pm
Woooo I'm finally sub 100kg! 96kg for the win! Largely due to my new regime is not feeling like I have to finish everything! I don't force meself to finish everything on my plate anymore and get a little bit at a time :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 June, 2008, 11:11:10 pm
If I'm lucky I'll make it to 104kg tomorrow. In more than a week I've had one pint of beer. Tonight I had a glass of wine, but only one, and the rest of the bottle is waiting for me for another day. I'm also trying to cut out the late night snack. Anyway, we'll see what the scales say tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 18 June, 2008, 02:34:23 pm
I have been tantanalisingly close to the magic sub 80kg target for over a month now

One weigh in was below the figure and I often see 79 point something at the weekend after a ride

My willpower is a bit low at the moment, I'm eating too much cake and having the odd glass of booze
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 18 June, 2008, 02:39:26 pm
Intersting:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7460729.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7460729.stm)

I am guilty of eating very little in the morning:

- fresh orange juice
- a few spoonfuls of Greek yoghurt that has been stuffed to the gills a day or so before with dried mango / papaya / banana. It's gotta be at least 70% fruit. Nom nom.
- a bagel, toasted, with jam on it.
- very strong expresso-like coffee from my Bialetti, black or with a negligible amount of milk.

Very weird breakfast, I know. I need to get back into porridge.

What are you lot having for brekky? 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 18 June, 2008, 02:42:01 pm
What are you lot having for brekky? 

Nothing, I tend to have the first bit of food of the day at midday, although I really need to start getting into a habit of having a bowl of cereal in the morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 18 June, 2008, 02:43:06 pm
Most often, nothing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 18 June, 2008, 02:45:42 pm
What are you lot having for brekky? 
Nothing

I used to have that. I have gradually been forcing myself to have something although I don't usually feel like it. Recently I have been starting to feel hungry in the mornings so it has been easier, although I still can't be arsed eating my way through anything boring.

I have a banana at about 11 and then a minimal lunch at 12.15 or so.

85 kg today. Stasis.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 18 June, 2008, 03:04:42 pm
Part of my excuse is my reasonably well trained fat metabolism but I agree it is better to have something in the morning, and I do want to get into this routine.

On my ride down to Cornwall I got to a petrol station outside Shaftesbury at 170km on just 400kcal intake (a pasty in Stockbridge at 120km and the 750ml bidon of orange squash I started with). The rest of my intake was just water and Nuun carb-free hydration tablets. I started that ride on an empty stomach too; no breakfast that morning so the previous meal was a load of pasta at 7pm the night before. I didn't feel hungry at Shaftesbury but I made sure I stuffed myself (and again at Crewkerne).

When I first started cycling I couldn't go more than 30km without feeling like I was starving and near the bonk. I think Steve A recently said his upper limit is about 200 miles before he needs to eat.

So far today I've had a coffee and a ham and cheese croissant, probably 400kcal and I don't feel hungry at all.

Early morning or late night fast paced rides on an empty stomach (but do take bonk rations!) works wonders.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 18 June, 2008, 03:53:12 pm
when I dont have breakfast (or just a very small one), I snack all day.  A decent brekkie of scrambled eggs or cereal + toast and I'm happy till 2pm.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 18 June, 2008, 03:54:39 pm
Breakfast is one of the following
nothing
museli
porridge

always a large glass of fresh orange & 500ml water.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 18 June, 2008, 04:15:11 pm
No breakfast.  I had a roll at about 11am, which given I got up at 10am, might count.  Then I had another roll at 12.30.  I've had a plum and am about to have a banana, and am on second can of Sprite.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 18 June, 2008, 06:28:41 pm
I have whatever I like for breakfast

This is usually 2 eggs scrambled on marmite toast OR a bowl of museli with banana on top
With coffee or tea

If I am going to "go light" on a meal it is often lunch

The ideal is that any food you eat for breakfast will get burnt off in the day in exercise
If you eat a lot at night then it will get converted to fat overnight

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 18 June, 2008, 08:42:36 pm
I am a greedy guts.  I start off the day with a banana and sometimes a milk shake.  Gym and run and then 2-3 oatibix, porridge, oatbran, linseed and another banana.  That keeps me going until about 11am when I have a snack.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 June, 2008, 08:49:57 pm
I normally have a cereal of some sort and a nice cup of tea.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bobb on 18 June, 2008, 09:04:04 pm
A cup of tea and a snout is my breakfast. Nom nom nom....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 18 June, 2008, 11:45:23 pm
71.5kg - I haven't put back on much of the Dolgellau Bellau weightloss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 18 June, 2008, 11:48:30 pm
The ideal is that any food you eat for breakfast will get burnt off in the day in exercise
If you eat a lot at night then it will get converted to fat overnight

I have a bad habit of eating my evening meal far too late. It's a difficult one to get out of, I'm finding.
71.5kg - I haven't put back on much of the Dolgellau Bellau weightloss.


Remind me, why are you on this thread?  ;) Are you some kind of anorexia fetishist?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 19 June, 2008, 12:15:33 am
The ideal is that any food you eat for breakfast will get burnt off in the day in exercise
If you eat a lot at night then it will get converted to fat overnight

I have a bad habit of eating my evening meal far too late. It's a difficult one to get out of, I'm finding.
71.5kg - I haven't put back on much of the Dolgellau Bellau weightloss.


Remind me, why are you on this thread?  ;) Are you some kind of anorexia fetishist?

It's about keeping to sensible weights.  I can't be bothered with editing that table thing though.  I think I look flabby at 74kgs; it's partly due to my build I think.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 19 June, 2008, 12:19:04 am
Was only kidding.

I'd love to be closer to 80 kg than to 85.

I think I now need to look at when I eat rather than how much I am eating, as I think what I put in is reasonably healthy overall.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 19 June, 2008, 07:35:52 am
Got weighed last night: another 5½ lbs down this week.  :thumbsup:  And this despite a heavy night last Friday and a bit of a monster eat weekend.

I've now lost 21½ lbs - only another 1½ stone to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on 19 June, 2008, 11:22:25 am
I was down to 10st9 (67.5kg) in the middle of last week after extended Dolgellau Bellau.  Since this is now fixed  (Hurrah for modern medicine!) I am getting HUNGRY again & anticipate a rapid return to this year's 70kg (11 stone) setpoint. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 21 June, 2008, 01:54:14 pm
I've never really tried to lose weight before in a serious manner before.  I think I know the theory, lets see how it works in practise.

Ironically my shopping bill appears to have shot up from buying more protein/veg and less reliance on carbs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 21 June, 2008, 02:12:34 pm
I've now lost 21½ lbs - only another 1½ stone to go.

Bloody good going Greg  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on 22 June, 2008, 03:52:25 am
Wow well done!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 June, 2008, 04:53:26 pm
I had a new experience yesterday.

I pulled my shorts up so that my belly was well inside the waistband and - miracles - it didn't immediately force its way over the top again and push my shorts underneath it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 25 June, 2008, 12:51:16 pm
I've now lost 21½ lbs - only another 1½ stone to go.

Bloody good going Greg  :thumbsup:


Got to go for my weigh-in tonight.  I have an awful feeling I've put weight on this week.  I blame the awful weather at York, which prevented me from doing long rides and forced me to take solace in the products of the York Brewery...  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 25 June, 2008, 01:39:04 pm
I'm going to weigh myself shortly - I think I've lost more and I can now look at myself in the mirror and see someone resembling a slim person... this morning I was thinking I might need to put a new hole in my belt or there'll be builder's crack.

Edit: 83 kg.  :)

I'm buggered if I can get the 83 kg into that table though  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 25 June, 2008, 07:59:37 pm
Yay - despite my bad behaviour at York, I'm still down another 1lb this week  :thumbsup:

I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week...  O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 25 June, 2008, 08:23:56 pm
84.40 kg this morning, and then I had a shit when I got to work too !!
Wey hey, this LSD is working.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 26 June, 2008, 12:31:14 am
Yay - despite my bad behaviour at York, I'm still down another 1lb this week  :thumbsup:

I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week...  O:-)

So should I leave the chocolate at home?

Don't forget that as well as cycling you will be swimming, pack your trunks in your carradice.  I plan to take my off road shoes and my running gear to go out for an early morning run, you could join me on that if you like?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 26 June, 2008, 12:41:21 am
I am 72.2kg.

But that's ok cos it seems body fat is down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on 26 June, 2008, 03:53:57 pm
What's a healthy ammount of weight to loose per month? In two months I've lost 11kg or about 1.5stones in old money.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 June, 2008, 03:56:35 pm
What's a healthy ammount of weight to loose per month? In two months I've lost 11kg or about 1.5stones in old money.

'Tis said that about 1kg per week is the upper limit. I have exceeded that this month because for a fortnight I was ... indisposed, on two occasions losing nearly 3kg in 5 minutes. However, that has also given me the incentive to get below 100kg for the first time in about 20 years. 103.7 this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on 26 June, 2008, 04:13:43 pm
Tis almost spot on :) Thanks Wow
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 26 June, 2008, 05:50:06 pm
A half kg gain this week which is not too bad considering all the puddings & wine consumed over the weekend at York Rally.

The poor weather forced us indoors  &  eating & drinking seemed preferable to getting windblown & wet on the Knavesmire.
That's my story & I'm sticking to it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 26 June, 2008, 05:50:54 pm

I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week...  O:-)

We'll see about that...  :demon: Seriously tho, you are doing very well indeed.

No Annie, you bring that chocolate. Cycling, swimming, running...is there a triathlon on this weekend I didn't know about  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 26 June, 2008, 05:53:06 pm

I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week...  O:-)

We'll see about that...  :demon: Seriously tho, you are doing very well indeed.

No Annie, you bring that chocolate. Cycling, swimming, running...is there a triathlon on this weekend I didn't know about  ;D

We could have our own version of a triathlon if you so desire..... how many bars of chocolate you can consume in 10 minutes whilst paddling in the sea, followed by a quick step to the tea shop to consume caffeine and cake and a pootle to the nearest pub for beer n nosh.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 27 June, 2008, 12:20:18 am
I am 72.2kg.

But that's ok cos it seems body fat is down.


How are you estimating your body fat, Maladict?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 27 June, 2008, 12:23:12 am
Scales.  So it's possible water is just up.  :)

I certainly do have less fat on me than at the start of the year.  When I first got 'em around when I started Audax it was claiming around 19% consistently, now it's around 15-16%.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 27 June, 2008, 12:23:40 am
My body fat was 20% a couple of weeks ago, not sure what it might be after this weekend. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 27 June, 2008, 06:39:43 am
I'm a bit late to the party on this one, but since this time last year I have lost about 36 pounds so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 29 June, 2008, 03:05:44 pm
Losing 10 kg odd has made a remarkable difference to my cycling. This year I am doing fewer miles than last year, and I am certainly no fitter in the cardiovascular sense, but climbing has become noticeably easier. While I am not great on the hills I no longer dread them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 29 June, 2008, 04:12:56 pm
I agree, you are riding very well.  Imagine how much better it would be if you could kick the smokes too !!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 29 June, 2008, 04:14:07 pm
I am not really impressed with my stature in one of Jaded's pictures.  It makes my little pot belly look a lot more like a big pot belly.  I can assure you that if I do remember to stand up straight it stretches out over my frame so much better.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 29 June, 2008, 05:02:42 pm
I agree, you are riding very well.  Imagine how much better it would be if you could kick the smokes too !!

 :-X
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 30 June, 2008, 10:23:22 am
I lost another 3kg since last weighed myself, down to 79 now. Due entirely to more exercise. Another 10 loss and I will be flying
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 30 June, 2008, 04:12:01 pm
I lost another 3kg since last weighed myself, down to 79 now. Due entirely to more exercise. Another 10 loss and I will be flying

Well done Martin, that's great news, keep up the good work.

I won't be weighing myself after this weekend :-\  Lots of chocolatey goodness consumed and BBQ nanananas :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Tiger on 30 June, 2008, 04:23:56 pm
Has anyone got any experience with liposuction? I am finding the exercise route to weight loss quite hard and wondered if a bit of lipo might not be the answer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 30 June, 2008, 04:29:50 pm
Mrs MSeries is well chuffed with herself, she has lost considerably more I have since I crashed and I reckon I have lost over 2 stones since I was able to exercise again
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 30 June, 2008, 05:31:53 pm
After the excesses of this weekend, I am dreading my weigh-in on Wednesday.  I blame Annie and her chocolate bananananananananas!  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 30 June, 2008, 06:07:20 pm
... and wondered if a bit of lipo might not be the answer.
Depends - what's the question?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 30 June, 2008, 06:13:03 pm
After the excesses of this weekend, I am dreading my weigh-in on Wednesday.  I blame Annie and her chocolate bananananananananas!  >:(

MY chocolate bananananas?  I think I only provided the ingredients, you did the rest and Jasper crumbled some of my yummy maltesers over them, *drool*  I have a photograph somewhere :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on 01 July, 2008, 09:29:27 am
Tiger - wouldn't recommend surgery.  If you haven't changed your eating/exercise habits then it'll just come back again. (TBH, unfortunately for most people it just comes back again whatever you do, but longer-term changes are a bit more likely if you do the "healthy food & exercise" thing than any sort of crash solution.  And if you're eating right & exercising then regardless of the number on the scale, you'll be healthier & that is an undisputed good.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: peliroja on 01 July, 2008, 09:46:36 am
I lost another 3kg since last weighed myself, down to 79 now. Due entirely to more exercise. Another 10 loss and I will be flying

Well done Martin, that's great news, keep up the good work.

I won't be weighing myself after this weekend :-\  Lots of chocolatey goodness consumed and BBQ nanananas :P
Annie, you are one who definitely doesn't need to lose weight.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 01 July, 2008, 10:45:24 am
Scales.  So it's possible water is just up.  :)

I certainly do have less fat on me than at the start of the year.  When I first got 'em around when I started Audax it was claiming around 19% consistently, now it's around 15-16%.


I was on the scales last night.  Weight up again.  Body fat down again - to a new low of 14.5%.  Of course the absolute number is not that meaningful with the scales, but the trend is going the right way, that's dropped by 5% now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 02 July, 2008, 08:34:48 am
My body fat is of the sociable type,it all congregates together in the immediate vicinity of my navel ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 02 July, 2008, 09:13:43 am
Mine must be related to yours then, as that is where mine goes too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 02 July, 2008, 09:36:25 am
Weigh in time tonight.  I shall see what damage has been done by a weekend of beer and food in Norfolk...  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JohnP on 02 July, 2008, 09:44:18 am
I'm looking for some recommendations for a scale with body fat and (possibly) water content readings.   What are you all using ?  Omron do a couple and I may be able to pull a string or two as I freelanced for them a few years ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 03 July, 2008, 08:02:29 am
Bah!  Only 1/2lb loss this week.  I blame the food and booze at the weekend.   :(

Never mind - I'll do better this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 03 July, 2008, 10:28:02 am
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 03 July, 2008, 10:35:39 am
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!


But.. but... but.... I didn't have any of the chocolately creamy maltesery bananas - I only prepared them. 

It's all Annies fault you know.  She tempted us all with sweet treats.   ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 03 July, 2008, 10:49:17 am
Those banananananas were so naughty that you probably absorbed some of the naughtiness through osmosis!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 03 July, 2008, 12:32:29 pm
I got maltesers in my sysyem through my fingernails. Not good....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 03 July, 2008, 12:37:09 pm
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!

Not forgetting lemon meringue pie, after only six and a half miles....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 03 July, 2008, 12:38:46 pm
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!

Not forgetting lemon meringue pie, after only six and a half miles....


I was good - I didn't have any cake at Holkham Hall.  O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 03 July, 2008, 12:43:40 pm
Tis true, just the seventeen sugars in your tea....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 03 July, 2008, 12:44:52 pm
Tis true, just the seventeen sugars in your tea....


No suger - revolting stuff....  :sick:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 03 July, 2008, 12:46:23 pm
And it was you wot made us stop there.

Really, I was dragged, kicking and screaming, and actually forced to eat that massive slice of lemon meringue with my pot of tea. It was ever so distressing. I shall never recover.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 03 July, 2008, 12:49:35 pm
Your nose is gonna get sooooo big.....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 03 July, 2008, 04:55:24 pm
Bah!  Only 1/2lb loss this week.  I blame the food and booze at the weekend.   :(

Never mind - I'll do better this week.

I think I'm going to be in the same boat.  I wouldn't mind if I had taken any liberties but I haven't strayed once, even surviving a family barbeque without incident.

S'not fair!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 03 July, 2008, 05:09:08 pm
I missed 3 weeks of cycle commuting (for various reasons) which accounts for about 3500kcal a week, which is about a pound of fat.

Lo an behold my weights for those 3 weeks:-

June 4th: 78.3kg
June 11th: 79.2kg
June 18th: 79.7kg
June 25th: 80.3kg

Back into it again, and running, and hoping to get down to 12st and keep it there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hoppy1848 on 06 July, 2008, 06:58:20 pm
Everybody- I hope that you don't mind my returning mid-stream as it were.  I registered at New Year but have  had a difficult six months resulting in my not being on the forum etc.  However after being inspired by Charlotte and others on the recent LeJog (I was one of the helpers) I got back on my bike yesterday.  Greenbanks latest post has prompted me to come on line since my target at the beginning of the year was not more than 12 st and s/he is a similar weight to my own.  Greenbank- are you doing anyhting in particular to shed those pounds other than cycling?

My weight as of this moment is 83.2 kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 07 July, 2008, 12:18:34 am
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!


But.. but... but.... I didn't have any of the chocolately creamy maltesery bananas - I only prepared them. 

It's all Annies fault you know.  She tempted us all with sweet treats.   ;)

 O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 07 July, 2008, 05:42:43 am
70th birthday party yesterday.  It was a bit like a coffin dodger convention so several of us parked ourselves in front of the TV and watched a DVD and then watched the tennis.  I ate too much - total.
Way too much sugary shit too.
Felt quite sick when I went to bed. 
Feel a bit better now.
I do this every now and then and always regret it.
Damnation and tarnation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 09 July, 2008, 07:13:29 pm
4½ lbs off this week!

This means I've lost 27½lbs in 8 weeks!!!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm going to have a bottle glass of wine to celebrate tonight.

Wish I could have lost that other ½lb to make it a round 2 stone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 09 July, 2008, 07:53:28 pm
4½ lbs off this week!

This means I've lost 27½lbs in 8 weeks!!!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm going to have a bottle glass of wine to celebrate tonight.

Wish I could have lost that other ½lb to make it a round 2 stone.

Well done you :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 July, 2008, 07:56:00 pm
What was your starting weight, Reg?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 09 July, 2008, 08:06:38 pm
4½ lbs off this week!

This means I've lost 27½lbs in 8 weeks!!!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm going to have a bottle glass of wine to celebrate tonight.

Wish I could have lost that other ½lb to make it a round 2 stone.

Good on you Greg, working hard there.....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 10 July, 2008, 08:55:15 am
What was your starting weight, Reg?


Starting weight: 18st 4lb.

Current weight: 16st 4½lb

Target weight: 14st 7lb
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 10 July, 2008, 09:47:11 am
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 10 July, 2008, 09:55:40 am
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...


I should be able to get back into my kilts by Christmas!   :thumbsup:

Watch out the YACF Christmas piss up party!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 10 July, 2008, 09:59:46 am
Very well done indeed  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 July, 2008, 11:58:12 am
Your weight loss is broadly similar to mine, Reg, although it took me a lot longer - my peak weight was at least 19½ stone. I was 16st 3.5lb this morning.

I tried on some clothes I haven't worn for years. The suit I wore to my mother's funeral just falls off me (46" waist on that) whereas I could get into the suit I got married in (1976). I could do the trousers up more easily than the jacket, but at least another half-stone needs to go before it's comfortable.

It's still got an annoying stain from a prawn cocktail that some twit spilled on me at a Christmas do more than 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 10 July, 2008, 12:02:00 pm
What was your starting weight, Reg?


Starting weight: 18st 4lb.

Current weight: 16st 4½lb

Target weight: 14st 7lb

Damn good show :)

I think I may have to rejoin the Programme - you've inspired me
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 10 July, 2008, 03:37:06 pm
What is going on with the weights table? I am unable to enter a weight without the layout going tits up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 10 July, 2008, 04:00:31 pm
What is going on with the weights table? I am unable to enter a weight without the layout going tits up.

Looks like user error to me. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maffie on 10 July, 2008, 04:04:44 pm
hmmmm would join this thread but the more I cycle the more I gain (although size is dropping)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 10 July, 2008, 04:15:39 pm
What is going on with the weights table? I am unable to enter a weight without the layout going tits up.

Looks like user error to me. :)

Well, yes.

It seems that although the tits may be well and truly up if I preview my post, when I save it, it fixes itself. Didn't do that before: if it was going to look ok it would look ok in preview too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 10 July, 2008, 04:20:06 pm
Although not as dramatic as Regulator, I am doing well for me.

Started at 14.17 stone or 90 kg
Now at 13.12 stone or 83.30 kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 10 July, 2008, 08:09:10 pm
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...


I should be able to get back into my kilts by Christmas!   :thumbsup:

Watch out the YACF Christmas piss up party!

Kilts aren't just for Christmas you know.   ::-)

UTILIKILTS : American Made Utility Kilts for Everyday Wear (http://www.utilikilts.com/)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 10 July, 2008, 08:11:51 pm
All this fiddling of tables and lack of a graph makes me think.

What we need is www.fatweightjournal.com

But someone already took that.  But I do think expecting people to edit those tables is asking a bit much.  I can't be arsed with something like that.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 10 July, 2008, 08:12:23 pm
Good going, Regulator: are you going for Weight Watchers' poster boy this year?  :)

I'm going to have a bottle glass of wine to celebrate tonight.

But your glasses hold about a bottle's worth  ;)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 11 July, 2008, 08:07:04 am
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...


I should be able to get back into my kilts by Christmas!   :thumbsup:

Watch out the YACF Christmas piss up party!

Kilts aren't just for Christmas you know.   ::-)

UTILIKILTS : American Made Utility Kilts for Everyday Wear (http://www.utilikilts.com/)



I have a number of Utilikilts already... ;D  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 11 July, 2008, 08:22:09 am
I have lost another pound.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 13 July, 2008, 09:30:16 am
Lost 2.5 pounds this week, down to 14 stone exactly ....shame I have another three stone to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 14 July, 2008, 10:08:14 pm
I'm down to 82 kg now. I suspect part of this is dehydration after a cycling-filled weekend.

On the scales front I've just ordered 3 top notch sets of weighing scales for work, so I can have more faith in my weights in future. At the moment I am taking an average of two not-very-good-quality scales.

However, I am going on how I feel now more than my absolute weight.

Someone told me today that they thought I looked as if I was losing a bit of weight. Made me feel good but it did take a 10 kg drop before she noticed  ;D

Here's another thing: my rate of weight loss increased when I stopped going to the gym (it was having a refurb, and for other reasons) for a while. Now that I am going again I expect it will go up a bit. Probably just water in the muscles though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 16 July, 2008, 07:00:47 pm
Buggrit!  No weight off this week - but at least I haven't put any on...  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on 17 July, 2008, 04:03:34 pm
I've gone up a kg :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 17 July, 2008, 04:07:45 pm
Weigh in day for me tonight and I'm dreading it big time, thing is you get to the point where you can't cut down anymore without feeling as weak as a kitten.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 17 July, 2008, 04:18:19 pm
I've lost a kilogram since last week :thumbsup:
Scoffing those pies on the Pie Run is wotdunit ;D or perhaps the riding involved & draggingriding the tandem/granddaughter combo up the local hills ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 18 July, 2008, 07:29:33 am
Oh well, lost a measly half a pound, still it's better than putting it on I suppose.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 18 July, 2008, 10:57:31 am
My weight seems to be stable now.  Well, it goes up by 2kg the day after a 600 and then is back to where it was 2 days later.  Water in the muscles?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 18 July, 2008, 11:00:13 am
lost another kilo since last time. Pleased about that considering the booze I am putting away at the moment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 18 July, 2008, 11:52:23 am
Have not been on a weighing thing for a while, but have now, will be cutting down on calories for a bit then. I am at my winter weight (a completely un-scientific calculation based around the ill conceived premise that you need a bit of extra girth in the cold)..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 18 July, 2008, 11:57:05 am
"winter weight" 8) Great expression that.To match one's winter bike.Perfect logic to account for cold weather weight gain ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 18 July, 2008, 11:59:42 am
You can use it if you want to, dress it up with some more psuedo science if you like...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 18 July, 2008, 12:14:57 pm
Psuedo science is not necessary for me. The facts are very straightforward.

I am a glutton.
I am an idle sod.
 The "in" hole is larger than the "out" hole.

equates to "fat b*st*rd"
compared to what I used to be,ie:- 28kg lighter ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 18 July, 2008, 12:17:50 pm
Well, you could still dress it up a bit....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 18 July, 2008, 12:34:53 pm
as in idle glutton wears D.J. & cumberband ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 18 July, 2008, 05:41:59 pm
Sounds good to me....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 23 July, 2008, 07:38:16 pm
Wahey!  2½lbs off this week - despite stuffing my face before, during and after the Dun Run.   :thumbsup:

I have now well and truly broken the two stone limit and am heading in the right direction.

I'm having a beer and a steak to celebrate!   ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on 23 July, 2008, 08:21:16 pm
I've lost about 4kg in a week. Me no think that's good :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 25 July, 2008, 07:04:55 am
Lost another pound this week, every little helps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 July, 2008, 07:42:18 pm
My weight seems to be stable now.  Well, it goes up by 2kg the day after a 600 and then is back to where it was 2 days later.  Water in the muscles?

It'll be molecules of bicycle. Ask Sergeant Pluck.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 25 July, 2008, 09:52:20 pm
My weight seems to be stable now.  Well, it goes up by 2kg the day after a 600 and then is back to where it was 2 days later.  Water in the muscles?

It'll be molecules of bicycle. Ask Sergeant Pluck.

 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 25 July, 2008, 11:52:07 pm
My weight is staying the same, but I'm buying 32 inch waist trousers again (assuming they get past my cyclist's calves and thighs)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 31 July, 2008, 07:48:43 am
Buggrit.... only ½lb off this week.  I'll have to up my exercise.

But at least it wasn't weight on...  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 31 July, 2008, 09:52:34 am
Well you're doing 45 miles up to the 'Uts next week, fully loaded, on not the easiest terrain, that should give you loads of points  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on 31 July, 2008, 01:41:30 pm
I am 8kg away from me ideal weight. Sadly its not how I wanted to achieve it :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 31 July, 2008, 04:25:18 pm
Buggrit.... only ½lb off this week.  I'll have to up my exercise.

But at least it wasn't weight on...  :)

It does get harder to shift than when you first start. Keep at it, 1/2lb is still something. You made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate) and other such stuff.......
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 31 July, 2008, 08:36:58 pm
A pound and a half this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 31 July, 2008, 10:28:16 pm
That's the problem with diets. The first few weeks are great because you lose pounds and pounds. Unfortunately, it's not sustainable because it's not weight you're losing, it's just excess water and shit that was clogging up your digestive system.

The annoyingly simple fact is 1lb of fat = 3500kcal. And it's so much easier to eat that number of extra calories than it is to get rid of them through exercise.

Bog standard Curry/Poppadoms/Rice/Naan and 4 or 5 pint night out. 3500kcal.

That's about the same amount of energy as you'd use up on something like the Dun Run.

Want a lose a pound a day? Simple. Do a 180km bike ride but don't eat anything more than the 2500kcal you'd normally eat in a day. Sustainable? No (unless you're super-fit).

What does work is:-

Stopping eating the wrong foods, and/or too much.
Moving your meal times around (big breakfast, average lunch, small dinner) helps by increasing your Basal Metabolic Rate.
Doing more exercise helps by using more calories (obviously) and contributing to a higher BMR.
Training your fat metabolism with regular exercise so that you can do low/medium intensity exercise and not feel starved.
Not going too fast. You'll enjoy it more going at a moderate pace and you won't just use up your glycogen stores (which aren't so easily replaced by burning fat).

Serious illness works because your appetite disappears and your BMR goes through the roof whilst your body fights the infection/otherwise heals itself. It shouldn't be a long term strategy though.

1 hour of moderately paced exercise a day = 3500kcal a week = 1lb of weight loss a week. Sustainable yes, but overcompensating with food intake will ruin this. I'm back at this stage. I've just had a 1100km month on the bike and haven't lost a pound.

Eating 500kcal less a day = 3500kcal a week = 1lb of weight loss a week. Very hard to sustain.

Learn to love the steady progress of 1/2lb, 1lb, 1+1/2lb or sometimes 0lb, a week loss and keep at it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 31 July, 2008, 11:07:32 pm
Bog standard Curry/Poppadoms/Rice/Naan and 4 or 5 pint night out. 3500kcal.

+1

Not done that for almost 10 years.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 01 August, 2008, 10:04:58 am
Good advice from Greenbank. That is the best way of achieving regular weight loss. Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you  going. You do have to remember not to reward your exercise with calories....harsh but true..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 01 August, 2008, 10:20:47 am
I do understand the mechanics and best way(s) to lose weight....  ::-)


I just like to vent my frustrations that it's not coming off quicker.  Better to vent than store it all up, which may lead to binge snacking in a moment of frustration...  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 01 August, 2008, 10:28:59 am
Vent away, Reg, vent away..............
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 August, 2008, 10:30:09 am
Venting is good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 01 August, 2008, 10:35:20 am
Specially when you are a geezer......
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 07 August, 2008, 12:18:44 pm
I was dreading yesterday's weigh in as I've been pigging out a bit.

But I had lost a pound!   :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 07 August, 2008, 12:27:45 pm
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you  going.

They can, if you keep the pace down.  As Greenbank said, the key is to go slow enough to run on the fat reserves (mostly) and not glycogen.  It takes a bit of build-up, but it is possible to ride 200 k on no food.

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You made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)

Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow.  A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet.  Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking  - and stuffing your face when you finish.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 07 August, 2008, 12:30:30 pm
Bog standard Curry/Poppadoms/Rice/Naan and 4 or 5 pint night out. 3500kcal.

+1

Not done that for almost 10 years.


I do almost weekly.  Hence gaining weight despite an average of 1150km a month, every month this year.  :(

The problem is that I can't actually fit in all the exercise I need to do to burn off the calories from all the beer I want to drink.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 07 August, 2008, 12:39:40 pm
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you  going.

They can, if you keep the pace down.  As Greenbank said, the key is to go slow enough to run on the fat reserves (mostly) and not glycogen.  It takes a bit of build-up, but it is possible to ride 200 k on no food.

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You made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)

Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow.  A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet.  Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking  - and stuffing your face when you finish.


I can always tell when I've done lots of miles the weekend before a weigh in.  As I'm not a Speedy Gonzalez I think I tend to burn fat more than glycogen.

Depending on how many miles we get through this weekend, I wouldn't be surprised to see my weight loss go up to 3-4lbs next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 August, 2008, 12:42:18 pm
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you  going.
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You made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)

Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow.  A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet.  Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking  - and stuffing your face when you finish.

Although...

Intensity can be good. If you don't have four hours to blow on a long steady ride, a 45/60 minute ride that contains some intense spells is also a Good Thing.

Intensity brings on EPOC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_post-exercise_oxygen_consumption) which can burn fat for you even when you are later sitting at your desk. Also (taken from link above)

"Anaerobic exercise in the form of high-intensity interval training was also found in one study to result in greater loss of subcutaneous fat, even though the subjects expended fewer than half as many calories during exercise.[2]"

I've found a couple of HIIT sessions a week has a more noticeable effect on my blubberiness than a regular diet of doughnuts audax rides.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 07 August, 2008, 12:42:44 pm
HIIT (interval training in other words) has shown to be better than steady state aerobic training for burning fat and total weight loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 07 August, 2008, 12:43:10 pm
*snap*  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 August, 2008, 12:45:22 pm
*snap*  :)

Indeed. Great minds think alike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 07 August, 2008, 12:58:20 pm
Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow.  A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet.  Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking  - and stuffing your face when you finish.

The fat loss after HIIT will be linked to fat-metabolism too.

If you can't do 50km on the bike (at any speed) without feeling hungry then you'll feel just as hungry after a stint of HIIT and you'll be more likely to replace the calories expended with food.

If you're a relatively seasoned Audaxer and can do 100km+ without feeling hungry then you're less likely to eat to replace calories after HIIT for two reasons (at least):

1) You would have less glycogen depletion as the more efficient fat metabolism allows you to get more calories from fat than the average person.
2) Post-exercise the body is able to replace more blood energy stores from fat metabolism.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 07 August, 2008, 01:02:50 pm
I'm a fat, fat, fat b*st%rd this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 07 August, 2008, 01:20:37 pm
I'm a fat, fat, fat b*st%rd this week.


I don't believe you.  You always seem like a quite svelte man to me...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 07 August, 2008, 02:16:47 pm
There's definitely been movement in the wrong direction. I'm not going to weight myself this week but I'd guess I have put a kilo or two on.

I am finding, again, that going to the gym, even if it only once a week, seems to bump my weight up. But as well as that I feel a bit fat.

Things That have a Lot More Calories than you'd Think:

Dried fruit.

Jeez. I like this stuff (mixed dried bananas, pineapple, mango etc) but I noted from the pack last night that if I ate a bag of it (150 g) that would be knocking on for 1700 calories. And as it's a bit more-ish I could eat a whole bag of it quite happily. Produces bonus spectacular logs too...  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 07 August, 2008, 02:18:50 pm
Jeez. I like this stuff (mixed dried bananas, pineapple, mango etc) but I noted from the pack last night that if I ate a bag of it (150 g) that would be knocking on for 1700 calories.

Are you sure about that? 150g of refined sugar would only be 600 kcal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 07 August, 2008, 02:21:31 pm
Maybe KJ/Kcal confusion?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 07 August, 2008, 02:23:23 pm
There's definitely been movement in the wrong direction. I'm not going to weight myself this week but I'd guess I have put a kilo or two on.

I am finding, again, that going to the gym, even if it only once a week, seems to bump my weight up. But as well as that I feel a bit fat.

Things That have a Lot More Calories than you'd Think:

Dried fruit.

Jeez. I like this stuff (mixed dried bananas, pineapple, mango etc) but I noted from the pack last night that if I ate a bag of it (150 g) that would be knocking on for 1700 calories. And as it's a bit more-ish I could eat a whole bag of it quite happily. Produces bonus spectacular logs too...  :P


Funnily enough, with Weight Watchers fresh fruit is fine (most is eat as much as you like) - but dried fruits are very high points and you have to watch your intake very closely.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 07 August, 2008, 02:25:09 pm
I bet it was the dried bananas that did it; I think they have oil added to them or something…
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 07 August, 2008, 02:27:10 pm
Are you sure about that? 150g of refined sugar would only be 600 kcal.

I'll check.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 07 August, 2008, 02:27:47 pm
Maybe KJ/Kcal confusion?

Yup, that looks about right. 1700 KJ is about 400 calories (a.k.a. kcal).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 07 August, 2008, 02:28:55 pm
You also tend to eat more dried fruit than you do fresh fruit, as you don't have the effect of the water content making you feel full.

Also, dried fruit makes your blood sugar swing more wildly than does fresh fruit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 August, 2008, 02:29:08 pm
I've headed the wrong way in the past week or two as well. 104.4 this morning, up about 1.6 kg. I think the rot set in at my sis-on-law's 60th and having an extra daughter around didn't help (much as she is the light of my life - just like all my daughters) buying all sorts of luscious dates, figs, prunes & dried apricots at her behest. Now she's buggered off to Peru for 5 weeks I shall have to wean myself off them again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 07 August, 2008, 02:32:00 pm
Also, dried fruit makes your blood sugar swing more wildly than does fresh fruit.

Didn't know that.  :(

I'll have to eat less of it.

If truth be told I have a hell of a sweet tooth and I've been letting it slip on the tasty snackage front.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Elleigh on 07 August, 2008, 02:33:11 pm
I started dieting this week.  I've lost two pounds :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 07 August, 2008, 04:09:41 pm


1) You would have less glycogen depletion as the more efficient fat metabolism allows you to get more calories from fat than the average person.

That must be a fairly minor effect though - even with a well-trained fat metabolism glycogen-burning dominates massively once you go to high intensities.

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2) Post-exercise the body is able to replace more blood energy stores from fat metabolism.

Is it ?

Surely it's an entirely different fuel - with fat metabolism the muscles are running on fatty acids & stuff pumped into the bloodstream by the liver.  Whilst the body's pretty-good at making fat from carbohydrates, I'm not sure it works so well the other way.

What may be happening, I suppose, is that any carbo that you eat goes to restore glycogen stores rather than for general use - and general use energy continues to be provided to some extent by fat.

It's a complicated thing...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 07 August, 2008, 04:19:03 pm



"Anaerobic exercise in the form of high-intensity interval training was also found in one study to result in greater loss of subcutaneous fat, even though the subjects expended fewer than half as many calories during exercise.[2]"


Yes, but from the same source:

Whether this result was caused by the EPOC effect has not been established, and the caloric content of the participants' diet was not controlled during this particular study period.


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I've found a couple of HIIT sessions a week has a more noticeable effect on my blubberiness than a regular diet of doughnuts audax rides.

Agreed.  Audaxing isn't a great way to lose weight unless you very carefully control what you eat

HIIT certainly has its place - not least to stave off the boredom of LSD - but it will leave you glycogen-depleted.  It may be that when you go out next day, you actually are using more fat because of that depletion.

I know that the exception to the audax non-weight-loss is an event like LEL  or a 1000 if you push yourself - on the last day of the NF1000 in 2006 I couldn't get my heart rate into double figures, even in the hills, on fixed.  I suspect that's because I was running on fat, having burned away a lot of fast-release glycogen. 

I've also noticed that I drink next-to-nothing in that situation.  PeterM commented on it on LEL - I filled my second bottle and he said "I bet you don't touch that all day". He was right.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 07 August, 2008, 04:29:17 pm
Interesting stuff here:

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As exercise intensities increased above 40% VO2max, fat-oxidation rates gradually increased too, reaching a maximum of 0.6 grams per minute at an average intensity of 64% VO2max. There was an incredible range in this Fatmax intensity, however, with some individuals reaching Fatmax at 42% VO2max, and others not hitting it until they soared to 84% VO2max! Fatmax corresponded with an average heart rate of 74% of maximum, but again there was considerable variation, with some athletes attaining Fatmax at 54% of max heart rate and others not reaching it until 92% of max.

The Fatmax zone was located between 55 and 72% VO2max, or between 68 and 79% of max heart rate. As indicated above, rates of fat burning dropped precipitously once athletes moved above the Fatmax zone. In fact, fat oxidation dropped to zero above an average of 89% VO2max (just below the intensity of a 10k road race or a 40k bike race). Again, there was wide variation between individuals, however, with some athletes burning no fat once they had reached 71% VO2max (84% of max heart rate) and others continuing to burn it until they reached an amazing 99% VO2max (98% of max heart rate)!

Metabolism (http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0690.htm)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 07 August, 2008, 04:33:57 pm
Very interesting...

454g at 0.6g/min =~ 12 and a half hours

So a non-stressful 200km Audax with no food and you can drop a lb.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 07 August, 2008, 04:49:08 pm


1) You would have less glycogen depletion as the more efficient fat metabolism allows you to get more calories from fat than the average person.

That must be a fairly minor effect though - even with a well-trained fat metabolism glycogen-burning dominates massively once you go to high intensities.
Interval sessions will always use SOME fat, as you spend SOME time at low intensities. And us non-elite athletes will tend to spend less %age time at the highest intensities, in general.
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2) Post-exercise the body is able to replace more blood energy stores from fat metabolism.

Is it ?

MAYBE those with a WTFM will feel less hungry in the period after a workout (they're able to function better in a glycogen-depleted state e.g. when TTing for 60 miles without food after vomiting. Say.)
So they are less likely to consume more calories than they really need post-workout.
Maybe ....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 August, 2008, 05:27:03 pm
Very interesting...

454g at 0.6g/min =~ 12 and a half hours

So a non-stressful 200km Audax with no food and you can drop a lb.

I managed a similar weight loss yesterday whilst simply lying on my back. Not exactly sustainable though...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 07 August, 2008, 05:45:44 pm

I managed a similar weight loss yesterday whilst simply lying on my back. Not exactly sustainable though...

Unless Mrs Chris was involved, that's an awful lot of masturbating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 August, 2008, 05:52:30 pm

I managed a similar weight loss yesterday whilst simply lying on my back. Not exactly sustainable though...

Unless Mrs Chris was involved, that's an awful lot of masturbating.

 ;D - Next time I'm giving blood, I'll give that a try, it might help the blood flow  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 07 August, 2008, 09:31:50 pm
3.5 pounds off this week.  In eight weeks I have lost 1.5 stone, a long way to go yet though. 

I just hope my holiday in Jersey next week doesn't mess it all up  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 August, 2008, 09:34:22 pm
3.5 pounds off this week.  In eight weeks I have lost 1.5 stone, a long way to go yet though. 

I just hope my holiday in Jersey next week doesn't mess it all up  :-\

If you are anything like me, you can guarantee that a holiday will put some weight back on.

What I would do is set a target for how much weight increase I would allow myself, and as long as it's nottoo far off hte mark, it's all planned for and then you can resume your diet afterwards and have a great holiday without worrying too much about what you eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 08 August, 2008, 07:19:46 am
You're right Baggers, it is is pretty inevitable, still at least I won't have to worry about excessive beer consumption...I'm going away with the Mrs and her sanctimony remains unabated even when on holiday  :(

I'm determined to get up and go for a run of a morning though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 08 August, 2008, 09:04:23 am
3.5 pounds off this week.  In eight weeks I have lost 1.5 stone, a long way to go yet though. 

I just hope my holiday in Jersey next week doesn't mess it all up  :-\


Well done Gandalf!   :thumbsup:


Don't worry about a holiday.  If you put on, it'll still come off in the end.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 08 August, 2008, 05:47:52 pm
OK.  :(

3 sets of new known-to-be-accurate scales have been obtained at work.

A check reveals, as was suspected, that 1) the old scales were all over- and under-reading and 2) I have indeed lapsed  :(  >:( 88.2 kg.

The weight I'm happy at is about 85 kg, so there is work to be done.

About that dried fruit: correct re kJ / kcal misreading. A 150 g bag has 400 kcal.

Still rather more than I'd like.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 13 August, 2008, 11:59:47 am
OK, now that I have scales I can really trust I am now weighing myself minus heavy boots and coins in pockets. Also I did feel rather bloated last week for some reason. I've been extremely careful with the intake over the last week.

This is much more like it:

83.9 kg

I'll put last week down as some sort of aberration.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 13 August, 2008, 01:28:59 pm
I have my weigh in tonight.  I think I've probably stayed the same or put on - it was a bit of a heavy week/weekend both food and booze wise.

Back on the straight and narrow next week...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 13 August, 2008, 06:25:35 pm
No weigh in for me tonight, I'm on hols with no scales.  Next week's will be interesting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 13 August, 2008, 07:05:52 pm
Buggrit!  2½lbs on this week... :-[ :'(

Too much beer and cake over the weekend I think.  Back on the straight and narrow this week.

Mind you, the nice lady did say that as I was doing a lot of cycling I might be putting on muscle - but I think she was just being kind...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 13 August, 2008, 09:41:20 pm
I'm going as much on how the old torso looks / wobbles as much as anything. Not much wobble, to be sure, but I want to get to the point where the more charitable might describe me as "lean".

Once in a while I find myself feeling uncomfortably big about the abdomen. It's not externally visible lard, it's just that I feel really "full" and a bit heavy. The scales reflected this last week.

Maybe it's something to do with that dried fruit  ;D

Big drop this week, but that is in part due to changing my practices, removing shoes etc. 

Anyway. Keep going Regulator, haven't seen you lately but in forum pics the difference is notable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Elleigh on 13 August, 2008, 10:36:09 pm
I've just bought a new pair of city shorts and found the size 10 too big and had to buy a pair in size 8  (YIPEE!), but still need to loose another 6 or 7 lbs
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 20 August, 2008, 12:00:19 pm
84.1 kg. That's seems about right to me, I'd like to stay about there - the next challenge is to see if I can maintain that while making another lifestyle change... (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5573.0)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 20 August, 2008, 12:02:58 pm
81.0kg. It's crept up again. Drinking a bit more (going to cut down after a friends wedding in 3 weeks), eating more and I've felt shattered enough not to cycle in to work at all in August.

Time to put the effort in again to make it go back in the right direction.

12st (76.2kg) by beginning of November would be nice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 August, 2008, 12:07:44 pm
I'm as certain as I can be that my ability to lose weight is very closely linked to my arthritic attacks.

When my ankles and feet are swollen and painful, everything becomes a chore and comfort eating a release.

I had a steroid injection last week, after two weeks of gain, and lo and behold: I had the Dun Run for Wimps and more physical activity generally and I've lost 1kg without any real effort. It puts the expression "no pain, no gain" in an entirely different light! ;)

Let's hope the extra riding at to/at/from Mildenhall will help me knock off another kg for next Wednesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 20 August, 2008, 07:01:00 pm
3 lb off today!   :D :thumbsup:

I reckon I'll be up after my holiday next week, but then I'll make a concerted effort.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 21 August, 2008, 02:30:51 pm
HellsBells :o
I've lost a whole kilo ;D

Perhaps I should do a night ride to Skeggy every Saturday :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on 21 August, 2008, 02:36:53 pm
Belatedly I'll jojn in this in an attempt to encourage me to lose weight.

Upto 97.2kg this morning, from 96kg a couple of weeks ago, when I visted the specialist.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 21 August, 2008, 03:06:37 pm
HellsBells :o
I've lost a whole kilo ;D

Perhaps I should do a night ride to Skeggy every Saturday :-\

You're on your own Alan  :hand:

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 21 August, 2008, 03:21:13 pm
Tonights weigh in will be grim indeed.  I started off well last week despite being away on holiday, even manged to to a couple of 10K runs to compensate for the lack of cycling....then on wednesday by back 'went'. 

I haven't been able to do bugger all since and it hurts big style.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 22 August, 2008, 08:52:44 am
Oh well, by some miracle I seem to have  got away with it.  Weight exactly the same as pre- holiday.  Lower back still dodgy though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 22 August, 2008, 09:11:15 am
Oh well, by some miracle I seem to have  got away with it.  Weight exactly the same as pre- holiday.  Lower back still dodgy though.


Well done!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on 24 August, 2008, 08:33:31 pm
This week I've been as low as 68.8kg one dehydrated and underfed morning.

Back up to 71kg last I checked.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 28 August, 2008, 10:17:17 pm
Another 2.5 pounds off this week, which considering the barbeque and associated indulgences on Monday isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on 29 August, 2008, 12:28:27 pm
Up from 97.2 to 98.2 this week, dunno how as I have eaten like a anorexic stick insect this week :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 August, 2008, 12:34:58 pm
Up from 97.2 to 98.2 this week, dunno how as I have eaten like a anorexic stick insect this week :(

Living on reserves possibly? A fast 50km bike ride should tell you. If you bonk - you were short.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 31 August, 2008, 06:48:19 am
Up from 97.2 to 98.2 this week, dunno how as I have eaten like a anorexic stick insect this week :(

It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops.  I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Yoyo on 31 August, 2008, 11:55:14 am
It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops.  I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.

I wish I knew how this can be counteracted. I desperately need to lose another half stone but correct eating won't work. If I eat a crumb of food I shouldn't weight goes on. Exercise does not work as I can do a 40 mile cycle followed by a 4 mile walk without eating anything wrong and, if anything, weight goes on. The adage eat less and exercise more does not work for those of us with apparently non-existent metabolism. Maybe someone has pearls of wisdom on this problem.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 04 September, 2008, 09:34:25 am
Well, it was my first weigh-in for two weeks, following a holiday dominated by beer and frites with mayo in Holland.

The good news was that I had still managed to lose ½lb!  Not a lot - but still in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cometworm on 04 September, 2008, 10:57:47 am
It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops.  I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.

I wish I knew how this can be counteracted. I desperately need to lose another half stone but correct eating won't work. If I eat a crumb of food I shouldn't weight goes on. Exercise does not work as I can do a 40 mile cycle followed by a 4 mile walk without eating anything wrong and, if anything, weight goes on. The adage eat less and exercise more does not work for those of us with apparently non-existent metabolism. Maybe someone has pearls of wisdom on this problem.

I seem to have plateaued after about a stone lost in six months - i'm worried that I won't be at target weight before I start training harder (and therefore have to stop calorie-restricting). So I'm going to try something I've never done before: a diet. Not in the strict sense, but I've bought "The Paleo Diet for Athletes" on Amazon (recommended by Joe Friel, so I thought I could at least read it). Makes me a bit uncomfortable to try a "fad diet" but I'm hoping the toned-down-for-athletes version will be OK.

Not sure if it counts as a pearl of wisdom, but...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 04 September, 2008, 08:20:35 pm
My weight seems to have stabilised at 75kg which is just fine
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 04 September, 2008, 08:30:20 pm
My weight seems to have stabilised at 75kg which is just fine

That's where I should be. It's about 20 years since I was though...

Currently... erm... about 15Kg more than that  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 04 September, 2008, 08:55:12 pm
20 years ago I was probably only a tad lighter than this, well maybe 6kgs less. I was heavier twice in the last 10 years though. Back in April 2008 I was 86.7kg after a winter flat on my back !!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 04 September, 2008, 09:08:24 pm
I have been weak willed lately and I've been snacking on chocolate and crap sweet pastries at work of late.  Naughty naughty naughty, but I'm very busy with lots of change on the horizon and eating makes me happier  :-X at the time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 05 September, 2008, 07:21:56 am
I'm aiming for 100kg by the end of September which will be my lightest for about five years.  3 down, 3 to go...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 06 September, 2008, 04:01:57 pm
Only a pound this week, but at least I haven't gained yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 08 September, 2008, 01:10:26 pm
It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops.  I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.

I wish I knew how this can be counteracted. I desperately need to lose another half stone but correct eating won't work. If I eat a crumb of food I shouldn't weight goes on. Exercise does not work as I can do a 40 mile cycle followed by a 4 mile walk without eating anything wrong and, if anything, weight goes on. The adage eat less and exercise more does not work for those of us with apparently non-existent metabolism. Maybe someone has pearls of wisdom on this problem.

Eat More.

Work Harder.

(This is an extract from Mantoea's Little Black Book of Hardcore Homilies)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 September, 2008, 06:22:51 pm
I'm aiming for 100kg by the end of September which will be my lightest for about five years.  3 down, 3 to go...

How tall are you, Mike? I find it incredible that someone who looks as fit as you do, and can cycle 85 miles in 4h 30m, weighs about the same as I do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 09 September, 2008, 07:03:56 am
I'm aiming for 100kg by the end of September which will be my lightest for about five years.  3 down, 3 to go...

How tall are you, Mike? I find it incredible that someone who looks as fit as you do, and can cycle 85 miles in 4h 30m, weighs about the same as I do.

6' 2".  Years of swimming and rugby at school and then 10 years of rowing has left quite a lot of bulk... 

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on 18 September, 2008, 03:33:25 pm
Weight now going back down, at last! Found two problems:
1) eating too many sweets
2) scales need "calibrating" after moving, so sometimes they say I am >100Kg, then if I step off and back on again they say 97.2! Stupid modern tech :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 18 September, 2008, 04:55:40 pm
84.1 kg. That's seems about right to me

86.0 kg now. Hmm.   :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toekneep on 18 September, 2008, 04:57:24 pm
Weight now going back down, at last! Found two problems:
1) eating too many sweets
2) scales need "calibrating" after moving, so sometimes they say I am >100Kg, then if I step off and back on again they say 97.2! Stupid modern tech :)
That will all those calories you burn stepping on and off the scales.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 18 September, 2008, 05:02:12 pm
2½lbs on this week...  :(

I'd not been to a weigh in for a fortnight and had been eating too much crap.  Back on the straight and narrow ('cept next Wednesday I shall be in Stoke).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 18 September, 2008, 07:19:00 pm
Back on the straight and narrow ('cept next Wednesday I shall be in Stoke).

That usually acts as a pretty good emetic

As part of a holiday job I once spent a morning delivering Vimto to corner shops in Stoke.  In the rain.

</Barstow>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 September, 2008, 07:20:04 pm
Back on the straight and narrow ('cept next Wednesday I shall be in Stoke).

That usually acts as a pretty good emetic

As part of a holiday job I once spent a morning delivering Vimto to corner shops in Stoke.  In the rain.

Did you choke on your own Vimto?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 02 October, 2008, 03:17:28 pm
Blimey, this thread has died a death, is everyone resigned to bloaterhood?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 02 October, 2008, 03:19:32 pm
I've not been for a weigh in for two weeks becuase I've been away with work.  I shall be going next week (and getting the bad news I think)...  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 02 October, 2008, 08:03:46 pm
I'll let you off then.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 08 October, 2008, 06:57:19 pm
Blimey, this thread has died a death, is everyone resigned to bloaterhood?

I've been eating too much and not doing enough cycling. I think it's to do with the shorter daylight - I'm preparing for a hibernation that will never happen.

And so my weight is up but I just don't want to put it down in black and white  :-[ until I have picked up the mileage and so forth.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 08 October, 2008, 07:37:25 pm
I've put on half a stone but then I only did 276km during the last two months.

Back to normal cycling in October and drastically cut down booze intake.

Should be at target 12st by January.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 09 October, 2008, 07:35:51 am
I am very ashamed.  I've put on 8lbs..  :-[

Back on the straight and narrow again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 09 October, 2008, 07:54:06 am
My scales have packed up, so until I go to weigh in tonight I'm none the wiser.  I maintained last week for only the second time since June so I hope this isn't the start of a negative trend.  I'm now wondering if my target weight of 1st 3 lbs is way too optimistic.

I have hardly been on the bike either, what with the monsoon season and the short days its proving difficult.  I'm actually starting to envy people who are able to commute.

Time to get meself a turbo training methinks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on 09 October, 2008, 09:17:42 am
I am currently down to 93Kg!!!

Fantastic I have lost 5Kg since mid-august, just need to lose that other Kg now and I'll be on target.

My Next jeans now fit, when I lose the other Kg I am hoping my cerruti jeans (which I bought to go on honeymoon with, 5 years ago) will fit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 09 October, 2008, 09:39:12 am
I am now on week 5 of a rather more structured (serious?) programme of exercise and food/booze control.

Currently down 3Kg (back to the weight I was when I buggered my knee) - but more importantly, much better muscle tone underneath the lard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 10 October, 2008, 08:02:34 am
Maintained again.  I'm going to have to do some serious plateau busting aren't!?  Apart from a couple of beers at the weekend I can't really see how I can cut down any more.  I don't eat cakes crisps or biscuits and my normal diet is low fat already.

Bugger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 12 October, 2008, 07:48:22 am
I've put on six pounds in a week. That is awful. I've had a debilitationg cold and we've had lots of cakes at work. I feel miserable and have no willpower when it comes to food.

Gah. I'll start my food diary again today...  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 15 October, 2008, 10:15:35 pm
87.0 kg.

Work needs to be done  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Deano on 15 October, 2008, 10:16:38 pm
I still need to buy scales ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 16 October, 2008, 07:28:25 am
3lb off this week!  Still some way to go to get back to a few weeks ago...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 16 October, 2008, 07:52:24 am
Nicely done Reg.  What did you do differently this week to lose 3lbs?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 16 October, 2008, 08:19:53 am
Right, I'm back on the Path of Righteousness and approx 4kg down from Terminal Weight, i.e., the weight at which I figure I'll die if I don't Do Something.

Next stops are to drop 8kg by 1st Jan, another 4kg for the Marlborough Connection and then 4kg in time for The Dean. Thats less than 1kg a week. Watch this space
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 17 October, 2008, 09:08:09 am
I'm in a world of shit.  Gained 1.5 lbs and I haven't eaten anything I shouldn't have,  I even skipped lunch Saturday and Sunday.  I wouldn't mind if I'd fallen off the wagon, as it were.  At least then I could understand why.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 21 October, 2008, 04:30:45 pm
Week 7. Weight finally creeps under 88Kg, but I have put on a load of new muscle, so I must have shed quite a lot of lard. Some parts of my stomach are almost convex - first time since I was twenty-something  :thumbsup:.

Time to introduce some cross training to the mix - so may go swimming a couple of times a week. Other than that:

Mon, Wed, Fri - Gym days.
Tue, Thu - Intervals (Hill repeats or 2x20s  :sick:)
Weekend - Occasional audax, or rest.

Aiming for a 500g a week loss rate - and I'm spot on that so far.

Problems: I'm hungry a lot  ::-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 30 October, 2008, 08:19:47 pm
Lost 6lb this week, which I'm quite pleased with.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 10 November, 2008, 07:02:17 pm
In desperation, I've just paid to use Weightwatchers' online tracking system. (£38 for three months) I'm using Bikejournal well and thought that the same kind of daily log might work. It is pathetic but I'm a food addict and breaking the habit is just so hard.

I log everything I eat and all my exercise online. Much of it is drag and drop and the calculations are automatic. I know that I have six "points" remaining tonight. Just a 10% weight loss will mean I am lighter than I've been in my whole adult life. A further 10% will get me close to an acceptable (normal human) weight.

All the rest of my family have fabulous figures. We have a family wedding next Easter. I just cannot be the embarassing barrage balloon in the photos.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 10 November, 2008, 08:55:10 pm
I need to buck my ideas up here.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 11 November, 2008, 06:28:58 am
I suppose that now I've lost three and a half stone I should post some before and after photos......... not bloody likely!  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 12 November, 2008, 12:42:44 pm
I suppose that now I've lost three and a half stone

Well done. That's a lot -and it will make a great difference to your cycling I am sure.

87.5 kg for me today. Middling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 21 November, 2008, 05:47:40 pm
90.0 kg today.

I "feel" thinner though. Nonetheless, this is not very good  :(

Mind you I did have my big winter boots on. And a loada change in my pocket.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 November, 2008, 06:10:49 pm
I've lost the plot rather but I'm still about 5kg down on 1st January.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 25 November, 2008, 07:55:54 am
I've gained about two pounds, which is not good.  I must resist the bread monster, trouble is working outside in this weather doesn't make you feel like munching on lettuce.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 28 November, 2008, 04:03:47 pm
I GIVE UP ::-)

Marj has started making the Xmas cake & puddings today.
My mother is doing millions of mince pies.

There is no way of avoiding an increase in mass from now untill approx Jan 14th 2009.

Here endeth the failed experiment in weight control :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 28 November, 2008, 04:05:04 pm
I GIVE UP ::-)

Marj has started making the Xmas cake & puddings today.
My mother is doing millions of mince pies.

There is no way of avoiding an increase in mass from now untill approx Jan 14th 2009.

Here endeth the failed experiment in weight control :(

Pre loading alan. Put the weight on first then accept the applause as you lose it again.

FWIW I have not lost any weight for about 4 months now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 November, 2008, 04:06:04 pm
It's just an outlier on the curve.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 28 November, 2008, 04:11:30 pm
Pre loading

I like that  :thumbsup:
Quality waffle that is  8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 28 November, 2008, 07:48:10 pm
Oh well I've lost the two pounds I had put on, onwards and downwards.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bobajobrob on 05 December, 2008, 05:05:57 pm
80.6kg today, down from 96kg in August, 15.4kg lost. Just another couple of kilos of fat to lose.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 05 December, 2008, 05:11:19 pm
I nearly lost the plot this week but I think I'm back on track... 200km on Sunday should help a bit (assuming I get all the way round this time)!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 05 December, 2008, 05:28:12 pm
There is no way of avoiding an increase in mass from now untill approx Jan 14th 2009.

Here endeth the failed experiment in weight control :(
I try to avoid weight gain until Xmas Eve. It's ludicrous to try over the festive season proper, but if you can minimise the damage from the December 'build-up' period, you'll feel a lot better in Mid-January :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 December, 2008, 12:28:29 am
Never quite got this party season thing.

If there are all these parties, why aren't they inviting me?

Hmmmmmmm?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 06 December, 2008, 04:01:37 am
I'm below 100kg!! (99.97kg to be exact  ::-))

That's 32 lbs down since 1st January. I need to shift another 8 lbs before I cease to be officially obese.

I've been logging my food intake with weightwatchers online for four weeks and that has helped me get through a long patch where nothing was shifting. I'm ashamed to say that my "normal" food intake is about twice what I should be eating. If it wasn't for my cycling I'd be the UK's fattest man.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 17 December, 2008, 09:11:36 am
OK.  After a year out from this, I gave in & bought some scales last night (well, Butterfly did on my behalf :) ).

I'm at 100.6kg, which is much less than I expected, and indicates that I was below 100kg when I was riding regularly. :thumbsup:

I started doing all this stuff at 113kg, which is biiig. :(

I got down to 103kg, where I plateaud, though I dipped below a couple of times, it was hard to beat that 103.  Now, even allowing a bit for the fact that it's a different set of scales, I'm lighter than the last time i weighed myself :thumbsup:

I'm ready to give it a go again.  It'll be hard without being able to ride, but I can still walk :)  and do a certain amount of exercise (not press ups).  I can also cut down on snacking, which is my downfall.

I'm aiming for 95kg in the first instance, with an ultimate aim of 90kg.  It will help in so many respects...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 24 December, 2008, 11:24:11 pm
Ho hum.

Starting weight was 92 kg (actually had been 94 or so but it was 92 kg when I started logging it here).
Lowest weight during the year was 83.9 kg.
Currently at 89.0 kg.

Lost the momentum somewhat, plus I've been going to the gym pretty regularly which seems to put my weight up. Also, colder weather bumps my appetite up.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 24 December, 2008, 11:31:12 pm
plus I've been going to the gym pretty regularly which seems to put my weight up.



If you are converting fat to muscle your weight will increase.Muscle is heavier than fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 24 December, 2008, 11:35:35 pm
I know, but I was kind of hoping that the cycling to the gym and calories expended therein might outweigh that  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bledlow on 24 December, 2008, 11:45:36 pm
plus I've been going to the gym pretty regularly which seems to put my weight up.


If you are converting fat to muscle your weight will increase.Muscle is heavier than fat.
Naah. Doesn't work like that. You can't convert fat to muscle. You burn the fat, & quite separately, build up muscle.

BTW, in order to gain weight while doing this, you have to increase your food consumption significantly. Just maintaining your weight while replacing fat by muscle one to one (by weight) requires an increased input - and the required input increases progressively, as maintaining a given weight of muscle needs more food than maintaining the same weight of fat.

And anyway, who cares about weight? Weight is a convenient shortcut measurement for most people. What they really care about is size & shape, & if you stay the same weight, but have 5 kg less fat & 5 kg more muscle, you'll be slimmer, & probably a more attractive shape.

Time to go. Christmas beckons. Glaedelig Jul!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 24 December, 2008, 11:52:02 pm
BTW, in order to gain weight while doing this, you have to increase your food consumption significantly

Oh there is no doubt that discipline has been lacking on the cake front.

Happy Christmas!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 24 December, 2008, 11:56:14 pm


, you have to increase your food consumption significantly.

Since I stopped smoking that's never been a problem ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 25 December, 2008, 10:12:53 am
I seem to be stuck at 12.5 stone now, Ideally I'd like to get to 11.5.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 25 December, 2008, 10:14:01 am
I'd be very happy to get down to 12.5 stone
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 29 December, 2008, 02:51:11 pm
82kg which isn't bad given I've not been on the bike for 2 months whilst in South America.

Goal is to lose a stone and get back down to 76.2kg (12st). At a lb a week that's 14 weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andygates on 29 December, 2008, 04:13:47 pm
*pout*

The post-Chrimbo blowout has me at 98kg and 20.3% splodgey stuff.  First target, 95kg / 18%.  In/out diary and stacks of astana beans, here I come.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 December, 2008, 05:27:29 pm
Well I'm buggered if I'm going to take any measurements before New Year.

Oh OK.

* strips off and climbs on scales *

Fack Me  :o

91.2Kg and 22% Lard. I have some work to do  >:(.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 29 December, 2008, 06:41:56 pm
Last Monday of the year check: 12st 10lbs -- eek!

However, my mother is visiting on Wednesday and we have the morris team party that evening and I don't go back to work until next Monday, so that's the measurement which will count.

Mrs C has informed me that the diet will restart properly at that point and she expects support!

Good luck to all those who are trying to lose weight in the new year!

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mossy200 on 30 December, 2008, 10:28:55 am
This year started at 13st 8lb.

No movement for ages then from september have gone to 12st10lb including blowouts at christmas.

Target is 11st  8lb so some way to go but posting it here helps me to try.

Must go riding more and cut down real ale and go to the gym when I get a pass off my family.Must stop trying to play squash against my son giving away 28 years and he plays every week .I play twice/three times a year and my knees don't half creak afterwards.

Good luck everyone for 2009.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 December, 2008, 03:26:19 pm
I reckon I'll be about the same when I go back to work on Monday - around 74-75kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: campagman on 31 December, 2008, 08:28:32 pm
My weight has been creeping up a little over the last few months to about 10 st 10 lbs on a good day. Over Christmas I know that there is lots of rubbish food around so I get very picky about what I eat and try to keep to the food that will be best for me or do the least damage. The result is that I usually lose weight and this year is no different. Tonight I weighed in at 10st 7 lbs. I know that might not seem very much but it makes quite a bit of difference as most of my definition has returned.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 January, 2009, 10:01:24 am
I suppose that 2008 can be described as a success in that I am 500 grammes lighter than I was a year ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 01 January, 2009, 10:05:56 am
I suppose that 2008 can be described as a success in that I am 500 grammes lighter than I was a year ago.

I don't want to burst your bubble but......

might that be 500 grammes of fluff that I snipped off some time earlier this year?

Off to hide now ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 01 January, 2009, 04:48:39 pm
Chat/discussion/encouragement in this thread.

Weight reports: HERE (http://www.anothercyclingforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13.0)

Graphs, etc to come.

are we going to do a 2009 one ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 January, 2009, 06:06:16 pm
Well, I've got some scales and a small amount of determination.

I'm currently 102.4 according to my scales, which is less than the weight I was plateauing on before, so maybe there's more I can do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 01 January, 2009, 07:09:07 pm
I am now 6kg heavier than I was a year ago :-[. I need to  make a number of changes to routines & mental attitude to even think about trying again.
Having said that I know full well that I cannot avoid some sort of attempt to at least get rid of the 2008 lard gain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: IanDG on 02 January, 2009, 09:35:32 am
l
I am now 6kg heavier than I was a year ago :-[. I need to  make a number of changes to routines & mental attitude to even think about trying again.
Having said that I know full well that I cannot avoid some sort of attempt to at least get rid of the 2008 lard gain.

Likewise 77kg to 83kg since June 2008  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 02 January, 2009, 09:55:32 am
Should we start a new table for 2009?
I too have fallen off the wagon and need to get back on.
Big style.
I have admitted to Mrs G that I have a problem with sugar ( not good for a diabetic ) and I have been secretely eating all sorts of crap, including her and the children's chocolates for instance.
I need to be strong and the Weight Tables helped me last year, when I bothered.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 02 January, 2009, 10:09:45 am
Would be a good idea.  My yo-yo consists of 6kgs of excess and a further 6kgs of exercise* drop-off.   Currently I'm close to the top of that yo-yo.   It's all my own fault.   Too much in, not enough out.

I have three belts I use regularly.   You can tell from the range of three holes used how my weight variation hangs  :( 

*  I don't train any more for anything, simply enjoy fluctuating motivation levels  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 02 January, 2009, 10:36:03 am
I just need to shift about 7lbs, 2lbs down and 5 to go.  It will probably take me ages but I need the motivation.  The waistbands or hip bands on my clothes are shrinking.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 02 January, 2009, 10:38:13 am
 Too much in, not enough out.

That,in a nutshell,is exactly my problem coupled with permanant laziness
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 January, 2009, 10:53:34 am
I just need to shift about 7lbs,  

From where?! :o ???

There ain't that much of you...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 02 January, 2009, 10:55:25 am
I just need to shift about 7lbs,  

From where?! :o ???

There ain't that much of you...

Well that's how much I have put on in the last few months and it needs to come off, well at least 4lbs of it does so that I don't have to spend a fortune on a new wardrobe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: campagman on 03 January, 2009, 08:04:36 pm
I wrote a couple of days ago about me losing a few pounds, over Christmas, that I had put over the last few months. I was really pleased. The downside has been that over the last two days I have really felt the cold! I know we are having a cold spell but it's no colder than it was at the start of Dec. I'm now thinking that I should have left the fat loss til the weather warms a touch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 04 January, 2009, 04:56:58 pm
Chat/discussion/encouragement in this thread.

Weight reports: HERE (http://www.anothercyclingforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13.0)

Graphs, etc to come.

are we going to do a 2009 one ?

I'm in the middle of doing the 2009 calendar template now, should be done within an hour. I'll start a new thread when it's done as it really needs to be the first post like last time.

Done. Weight Reports for 2009 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13235.0)

First weigh day is Wednesday 7th Jan.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 04 January, 2009, 06:34:40 pm
Thanks !
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 04 January, 2009, 06:46:39 pm
Don't know what I weigh at the moment, last weighed myself mid december and i was 73kgs. Christmas excesses coupled with less physical activity may have caused my weight to increase but that's OK. It'll settle down to what it should be once I start gym again and cycling more. Currently on a partial rest period to rejuvenate my enthusiasm and because I am between gyms atm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 05 January, 2009, 10:16:59 am
I'm going to join in as well.
Target last year was 70kg after starting at 73.5kg.
It's not much but it makes a big difference 'cos I'm not very big.
Last year I got down to 70.5kg in the summer but gained again as winter approached.
Current weight is somewhere north of 74kg. Five course dinners every night while skiing last week didn't help.
Yummy food though  ;D

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 January, 2009, 10:22:14 am
For anyone wanting some sensible, non-faddy, no-nonsense, no-axe-to-grind reading about losing fat - I hold this website in very high regard:

Hussman Fitness (http://www.hussmanfitness.org/)

Focus on the (calorie) deficit - that's the key.

Edit: The one thing missing from the above site is any mention of alcohol. To my mind, and I think this has been discussed here already, booze is incompatible with fat loss for a number of reasons. If, as I seem to, you have an "issue" with moderation when it comes to booze, it's probably best avoided completely whilst you are in a fat loss phase.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 06 January, 2009, 05:09:43 pm
 I'm astonished to find I've gained 6.5 pounds over Christmas.  Even though I decided to have a rest from the diet during the festive period I'm still shocked at the rapidity.  :-[

I did enjoy the munching though, guess I'll have to pay for it now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 07 January, 2009, 07:34:22 am
Anyone else having trouble with the formatting on their Weight Table in the Weight Reports thread?

Even if I don't change anything, just Click "Modify Message" and then hit Preview, the formatting is all to hell :(

Yep.  I had to delete my post and then paste again into another post.  No idea where to post my weight so pm'd Greenbank.  Thought I was just a numpty.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 January, 2009, 07:36:05 am
Anyone else having trouble with the formatting on their Weight Table in the Weight Reports thread?

Even if I don't change anything, just Click "Modify Message" and then hit Preview, the formatting is all to hell :(

Yep.  I had to delete my post and then past again into another post.  No idea where to post my weight so pm'd Greenbank.  Thought I was just a numpty.

Yes, just did that - and then removed my post here - but you'd already responded!

All I did was recopy the table template into the original - that seemed to work. Either I'd damaged the table code somehow, or summat in Greenbank's grand scheme is b0rked. We shall see...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 07 January, 2009, 07:58:20 am
The format problem only occurs in preview.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 07 January, 2009, 08:54:34 am
The format problem only occurs in preview.

Exactly. Just don't use preview. Enter it and save the changes. If you've b0rked it then edit it again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 07 January, 2009, 09:00:02 am
Had to remove my post, completely messed it up, again.

Where exactly amongst all the code do I enter the weight?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 07 January, 2009, 09:24:26 am
I've weighed myself for the first time since early December.  I nearly cried.  :'(

I have a lot of work to do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: delthebike on 07 January, 2009, 09:27:16 am
Had to remove my post, completely messed it up, again.

Where exactly amongst all the code do I enter the weight?
It looks to me like it should be entered after the colon.
January__ February__ March_____ April_____ May_______ June_______
7th:99KG
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 07 January, 2009, 09:32:07 am
Had to remove my post, completely messed it up, again.

Where exactly amongst all the code do I enter the weight?
It looks to me like it should be entered after the colon.
January__ February__ March_____ April_____ May_______ June_______
7th:99KG

Thank you :-*
Title: Re: Weight Reports for 2009
Post by: LEE on 07 January, 2009, 09:37:14 am
Aim: to get down to 100kg

Aim2: 95kg

Start point: 102.2kg



Thank God for Clarion.

Everyone else's starting weight is about 2 stone less than my target weight
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ariadne on 07 January, 2009, 09:44:42 am
Glad it's not just me - I've been scratching my head over it. But then, yeah, decided to just post and see if it worked.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 07 January, 2009, 10:16:04 am
Me too.
Now the horrible truth can be revealed- 75.0kg  :o
Title: Re: Weight Reports for 2009
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 07 January, 2009, 07:38:47 pm
Aim: to get down to 100kg

Aim2: 95kg

Start point: 102.2kg



Thank God for Clarion.

Everyone else's starting weight is about 2 stone less than my target weight

I am not going to comment on that one   :-[  :-[  :-[  :-[

Geoff

Even more to lose than last year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 08 January, 2009, 06:37:29 pm
Edit: The one thing missing ... is any mention of alcohol. To my mind, and I think this has been discussed here already, booze is incompatible with fat loss for a number of reasons. If, as I seem to, you have an "issue" with moderation when it comes to booze, it's probably best avoided completely whilst you are in a fat loss phase.

Or, if you are like me and know there are circumstances where you are going to either drink, or be so miserable that you won't want to be here if you don't have one, plan the booze in.

When my wife and I did our 'big' diet a few years ago, we were in two morris dance teams.  That meant two evenings in the pub each week or missing out of the social side of the teams completely.  So we built an allowance in to the system (Weight Watchers points in our case).  This did mean missing out on some other things, but it worked for us.

Obviously, if you're one of those people who can't stick at a pre-determined number of drinks then it's essential to have none, but don't beat yourself up more than necessary.

"Budget the luxuries first!"

Steve
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 08 January, 2009, 08:20:54 pm
Edit: The one thing missing ... is any mention of alcohol. To my mind, and I think this has been discussed here already, booze is incompatible with fat loss for a number of reasons. If, as I seem to, you have an "issue" with moderation when it comes to booze, it's probably best avoided completely whilst you are in a fat loss phase.

Or, if you are like me and know there are circumstances where you are going to either drink, or be so miserable that you won't want to be here if you don't have one, plan the booze in.

+1

During my 16kg (give or take) weight loss last year I don't think I had a single week with less1 than 21 units of booze with the top end probably being 80 units (albeit with no weight loss that week). Just assume that 2 units is roughly 200kcal and work that into your deficit plan, i.e.

800kcal a day deficit = 5600kcal a week
5600kcal - (100*21) = 3500kcal
3500kcal = 1lb of fat

This year is the same weight-loss/calorie-deficit but trying to stick below 21 units a week and *shudder* running.

1. Pedant be gone. This beer contains 2.5 units.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 08 January, 2009, 08:23:39 pm
I am keeping to 1800 kcals a day currently. Damned if I'm going to waste any of that on empty calories like booze - I need FOOD! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 09 January, 2009, 10:13:46 am
Seems like my Christmas increase is shifting. May have just been the different scales that I used but I don't think so. Latest reading is 2kg above what I was before which is OK, some of that'll go when I restart long distance cycling. Feel a bit of a fraud in the this thread to be honest since I don't really need to lose weight and don't have to try very hard to get to where I want to be, and that's why I am not posting the other weight thread. I'd get obsessive about the numbers anyway and that isn't healthy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 09 January, 2009, 11:11:15 am
I've made a correction to my reading for 07-JAN.  Having no scales at home I plan to use the ones in the gym.  As I didn't make it to the gym Wednesday I used the scales in my office.  I was warned they were 'off' but not by how much or which direction.  Weighed myself at the gym then compared it again to the office scales - the latter added 5kg to my weight!  I am this: relieved!

So far the plan for this year is:
* Cycle to work more
* When not cycling walk through the City instead of taking tube the whole way (30 min. walk)
* Take the stairs instead of the lift (office on 7th floor)
* Cycle more
* Cut back on the booze (including skipping the office bar all of January at least)
* No more than one hot chocolate/double espresso a day at the office
* Cut back to only one suggar in my coffee
* Try to avoid the biscuits in the office
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 09 January, 2009, 12:59:31 pm
Weighed myself at the gym then compared it again to the office scales - the later added 5kg to my weight!

Most unusual: work scales seem to be carefully selected to under-read so that the fatties can congratulate themselves on their "diets" as they shovel crap into their faces in the coffee room.

The admin staff at my place of work have still not forgiven me for bringing in properly certified scales last year. The fact that they display the correct weight doesn't seem to enter into it: they show larger weights than usual so they are "bad"scales.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 09 January, 2009, 02:46:27 pm
I went to WeightWatchers this week.  I've put back on nearly all the weight I lost earlier in the year.   :-[

So it's back on the straight and narrow for me - which means off the booze as well.

And I'm giving up smoking...

Happy fecking New Year!  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 09 January, 2009, 02:52:34 pm
I went to WeightWatchers this week.  I've put back on nearly all the weight I lost earlier in the year.   :-[

So it's back on the straight and narrow for me - which means off the booze as well.

:( so you'll not be meeting me for a pint in Feb then ? I'll buy you an OJ !!
Title: Re: Weight Reports for 2009
Post by: Hummers on 12 January, 2009, 04:43:03 pm

Thank God for Clarion.

Everyone else's starting weight is about 2 stone less than my target weight

Let me help too.

Starting point - 106kg

Target = 95kg by July.

Plan; drop out booze (or severely cut back) and ride the bike as often as possible.

My weight is lower than this time last year though (114kg)

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 14 January, 2009, 01:59:48 pm
Oh bugger.  Second weigh in, and I'm up on last week :(

Still below 1 Jan, but that's not much compensation.

It does demonstrate how much cycling contributes to my weight management, as I've been off the trike for eight days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 14 January, 2009, 03:08:56 pm
Ive lost more than 1kg on my first week :thumbsup: No booze since new years eve,and cut out all the usual crap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 14 January, 2009, 04:22:45 pm
I have put on 0.5kg.  I am not worried as I ate a large portion of birthday cake, several bars of chocolate and lots of other yummy scrumptious things.  Also worked out, cycled and ran so could well be musccle :-\

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 14 January, 2009, 05:28:25 pm
First weight in at WeightWatchers in an hour.  Hope I've lost something this week...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 January, 2009, 07:45:13 pm
Heh.  1/3 of the way to the target in a week.  Can someone tell me what I did, so I can market it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 14 January, 2009, 08:02:46 pm
I am not too worried about my weight on a week to week basis.  I shall look more towards a monthly figure.  I was three pounds heavier after my ride on Sunday but that had all but gone today. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 15 January, 2009, 12:02:03 am
Buggrit!  Only 1 lb off in the first week.  I need to get out on the bike each day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Séamas M. on 15 January, 2009, 01:43:27 am
Better than me, 0.0kg off for the first week, I need to find one of my bikes and learn to ride again.  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 15 January, 2009, 10:03:02 am
I am not too worried about my weight on a week to week basis.  I shall look more towards a monthly figure.  I was three pounds heavier after my ride on Sunday but that had all but gone today. 

That's partly why the "planner" for recording the weights each week is arranged so (it was jwo's original layout I think). It makes it easier to compare your weight with your weight a month previous.

It's why it's important to weigh yourself on the same day of the week or under the same circumstances each week. One would get wildly different weights when measured very dehydrated after a long run without enough water, and 2 hours after that when they've stuffed themselves with food and drank 5 pints of water to try and rehydrate.

I play 5-a-side on a Tuesday night and then go to the pub and have 2 pints. Never more and we rarely miss a week. I've always eaten before I go play 5-a-side and I don't eat afterwards. This makes Wednesday morning a perfect time to weigh myself. Get up, go to the toilet, wash hands and get on the scales.

As you say, just watch the general trend and adjust food/exercise/etc appropriately.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 January, 2009, 08:47:34 pm
I'm starting to increase the exercise bit after laying off for a while to help with knee rehabilitation.

I joined a new gym yesterday, because work have withdrawn the subsidised gym membership we had.  Given I was the only person using it, it was very poor vfm.

I'm now paying 30/month instead of 5/month, to use the gym on the Science Park.  It's much more convenient to get to, and the showers are /much/ nicer than the ones at work.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 16 January, 2009, 03:01:19 pm
Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 16 January, 2009, 03:13:07 pm
An hour of badminton yesterday but one player didn't turn up so we had to play 2 vs 1 and take it in turns being the single player. It's not hard to pick out when I was playing against two people from the HR trace:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/badminton_hr.jpg)

About to go to the evil treadmill in the basement and hopefully complete a mere 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on 16 January, 2009, 03:15:06 pm
Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.

I doubt it was just the turbo, you would need to do about 24 hours at 200-250 Watts to burn 3.5 lbs of fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 16 January, 2009, 04:18:05 pm
I am not too worried about my weight on a week to week basis.  I shall look more towards a monthly figure.  I was three pounds heavier after my ride on Sunday but that had all but gone today. 

I draw a line graph with a spreadsheet and watch it going generally downwards
Week to week or whatever is no big deal
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on 18 January, 2009, 05:29:57 pm
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 18 January, 2009, 05:33:31 pm
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake

Can't tell. My reduced performance is due to being unfit having not been on the bike for 2 months whilst abroad. I doubt it's the 500 to 800 kcal/day deficit.

I think the biggest thing I've lost is my fat metabolism. My commute times are roughly the same as they were at this time last year but anything over a couple of hours and I'll slow right down. Only 2 weeks to fix it until a 200km Audax. :)

(I won't be thinking about calorie deficits on the Audax itself although I doubt I'll eat 3500kcal worth of food on the way round.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 18 January, 2009, 05:38:48 pm
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake

No.

Could be because a lot of my riding in recent years has been Audax/Long Distance, so my body has become quite good at burning fat on fewer carbs.

Do you ride hard, and close to your lactate threshold? If so, you'll deplete your Glycogen stores faster and if you are running a caloric deficit, it will take longer to replenish them unless you take steps to encourage it by eating a good, carb and protein rich meal soon after you finish cycling.

Avoid alcohol. Good performance on a limited calorie budget requires the full cooperation of your liver, so one should avoid pissing it off by partying all weekend  ;).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 January, 2009, 05:43:01 pm
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake

Always.
I gave up the idea of trying to lose weight during any season of active cycling.

Now I've just given up the idea of trying to lose weight, full stop.
My scales are dying of neglect in a wardrobe...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 18 January, 2009, 05:46:48 pm
Hehe  ;D

Me: "No"
Helly: "Always"

Clearly, people vary! Inc, your question implies you are finding a drop in performance?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 18 January, 2009, 05:49:21 pm
I gave up the idea of trying to lose weight during any season of active cycling.

I managed to lose 14kg in 12 months whilst doing 6500km including 25 Audax points if you include the 6 x 100km rides (they were on fixed so they did count for the FWC).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 January, 2009, 05:55:52 pm
My aerobic capacity is so low (lowest of all colleagues on my Sports Medicine course), I always rode fairly close to my lactate threshold. To ride any slower would leave me out of time on Audax rides. I was famed for my heavy breathing...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 18 January, 2009, 07:10:41 pm
Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.

I doubt it was just the turbo, you would need to do about 24 hours at 200-250 Watts to burn 3.5 lbs of fat.
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Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.

I doubt it was just the turbo, you would need to do about 24 hours at 200-250 Watts to burn 3.5 lbs of fat.

How utterly depressing!  I guess the diminishing quantity of calorific Christmas goodies stiil about  the house must have something to do with it then.

I just have to finish off some lovely vegan choccies then I should be back on the straight and narrow.  O:-)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on 18 January, 2009, 07:13:06 pm

Clearly, people vary! Inc, your question implies you are finding a drop in performance?

I don't think so, not at the level I ride at. I went out yesterday and it was really hard with an increasing headwind towards the finish. Today I didn't want to go out today but it was such a nice day and I am busy all this coming week so felt I should go out but legs felt a little heavy although a/s was similar for same distance.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 21 January, 2009, 09:59:32 am
Wow - big drop in weight this week. Obviously, 4x40km/day of hilly commuting in Cornwall last week shifted some lard!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 21 January, 2009, 10:18:02 am
Damn!  Still rising, but not as bad as i'd feared, though I'm the heaviest I've been this year.  Under stress, so eating :-[ 

I need to get back on the bike for so many reasons! 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 21 January, 2009, 10:21:21 am
Another small reduction for me so I guess the occasional bike ride with regular football is having an effect.
I wish that I wasn't hungry all the time though.
I was weak yesterday- I bought a small bar of G&B's milk chocolate. It was finished by the time I got home.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 21 January, 2009, 10:23:19 am
Still in my usual initial 4-week plateau having just started again after 2 months off. Feel much better though, and far less sluggish on the bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 21 January, 2009, 10:28:31 am
My weight loss is not as dramatic as I thought, probably because I started to eat yesterday and haven't done anything apart from be ill since last Friday.  I don't have access to my usual scales as they are at the LBS.  I will look at the longer term weight loss.

I also think my body went into starvation mode and the majority of the weight I lost at the start of the week was purely dehydration and fluids, these have now been replaced.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 21 January, 2009, 12:28:06 pm
Another small drop, which is better than a small gain!

S

PS -- any chance of the weight loss thread itself being made sticky, please?  At this rate it will vanish from page 1 of this board very soon.  Thanks
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 21 January, 2009, 01:14:35 pm
I'm aiming to lose 27 kg by december to get down :o to 100kg. That's a lb a week, or 500 calories shortfall a day.

Note to self. Get back on the bike, and stop eating pies  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 21 January, 2009, 02:16:30 pm
I'm aiming to lose 27 kg by december to get down :o to 100kg. That's a lb a week, or 500 calories shortfall a day.

Note to self. Get back on the bike, and stop eating pies  :thumbsup:

1Lb a week is perfectly sensible on both the healthy weightloss AND achievability fronts.

It's what I use (every year unfortunately).

It really doesn't need much of a lifestyle change to achieve.  Cutting out the snacks and a bit of riding does it for me. 

Occasionally, usually a few days after an Audax, I loose a couple more pounds.  I treat this as a bonus.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 21 January, 2009, 02:33:57 pm
1Lb a week is perfectly sensible on both the healthy weightloss AND achievability fronts.

It's what I use (every year unfortunately).

But it is quite hard to keep up, week in week out - possibly explaining why you have to use it every year ;).

I'm trying a much stricter regime this time around to get to a target weight, and will then revert to a more sustainable WoL in an attempt to maintain that new weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 21 January, 2009, 02:44:21 pm
I quite agree with ChrisS.  My weight  is normally stable at around 8stone, it rarely goes up more than a 1lb or so over a month or two.  I just over indulged last year and need to do a little bit of spring cleaning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 22 January, 2009, 01:06:26 am
1½lbs off this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 24 January, 2009, 06:22:30 pm
Its official!!  I am now a Phat B'tard.  Got to get out more!  100kg :sick:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 27 January, 2009, 09:39:32 pm
Bah! I'm hungry  >:(

I've had my calorie allowance for today - but I'm still Rumbly in my Tumbly... :(

* fantasises about a big bowl of cereal, or Ambrosia, or some Toast & Honey *

Must.... resist....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 28 January, 2009, 06:09:01 am
A couple of weeks away have had a bad influence on me up another 2kg  :-[ :-[ :-[

But at last I am on the way down just further to go.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 January, 2009, 09:07:39 am
Well, I've stopped the increase (and got back down from a peak which was higher mid-week).

Hopefully, being back on the bike will make some sort of difference.

Oh - and pleeeeeeeease can the record thread be a sticky?

EDIT:  Crikey that was fast!  Thank you :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 28 January, 2009, 09:55:34 am
Oh - and pleeeeeeeease can the record thread be a sticky?

EDIT:  Crikey that was fast!  Thank you :thumbsup:

Hold on - it's not sticky - all I did was resubmit my entry which bounces the thread to the top of the list. Sticky is something else - but this method is used elsewhere on the Forum - such as the RRTY Log on the Audax board.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 January, 2009, 10:50:45 am
Oh.  Resubmitting your entry?  I don't understand.  Is that different from modifying the post?  If we all know, then we can keep bumping it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 28 January, 2009, 10:57:56 am
I just bookmarked it.

Up a little this week, hopefully due to new muscle rather than extra lard (I can't really see it being the latter with my carefull controlled diet).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 28 January, 2009, 11:25:13 am
I've been off fatfighters (i.e. Weightwatchers) for 6 months now and was at my parents house last week, I got on the scales for the first time in months and was shocked to discover that I have maintained the same weight! For most of my life I have struggled with my weight, and was inclined to believe that I would follow my Mum in doing lots of diets and yo-yo dieting. I don't think I have cracked it but I do believe that this regular cycling malarkey (plus portion control), especially cycling continuously through the year is an incredible help at keeping the weight down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 January, 2009, 11:26:00 am
Congratulations! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 January, 2009, 11:36:38 am
I've been off fatfighters (i.e. Weightwatchers) for 6 months now and was at my parents house last week, I got on the scales for the first time in months and was shocked to discover that I have maintained the same weight! For most of my life I have struggled with my weight, and was inclined to believe that I would follow my Mum in doing lots of diets and yo-yo dieting. I don't think I have cracked it but I do believe that this regular cycling malarkey (plus portion control), especially cycling continuously through the year is an incredible help at keeping the weight down.

Well done you, and I fully agree!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 28 January, 2009, 11:38:15 am
Congratulations! :)

Cheers Clarion! I am officially obese according to my BMI but I feel fit and healthy and if I can keep my weight around the same level then its a lot better for me than constantly dieting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 January, 2009, 11:40:15 am
Much better.  Yoyoing is a disaster.   Stability on a lower level is the thing, especially if you are happy :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 28 January, 2009, 11:44:52 am
Thats what I've come to believe too. TBH I could lose another stone, but I don't really think my body could sustain it. Maintenance is a fight though isn't it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 28 January, 2009, 12:01:37 pm
Another two pounds off.  I'm starting to think that my target of 12 stone might be within reach, but it is getting harder.  Funnily enough I was finding it easier to lose weight when I wasn't making an effort to train every day- I didn't feel hungry nearly so often.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 January, 2009, 10:49:14 pm
4lbs off this week.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonycollinet on 28 January, 2009, 10:53:00 pm
I seem to have stalled.

I have a feeling that our scales skip 13:12, and don't change until I reach 13:11. I've had this problem before at about this weight.

(I hit 13:11 just over a week ago, then jumped back to 13:13. 13:12 never happened, either up or down.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 29 January, 2009, 07:20:45 am
I have somehow managed to put on 3 lbs this week....  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 29 January, 2009, 07:43:40 am
I have somehow managed to put on 3 lbs this week....  >:(

Bad luck old Bean, I hate it when that happens. 

Ever since I embarked on this weight loss lark it has never ceased to amaze me how abitrary it can be.  Some weeks I have gained even though I've done nothing overtly wrong, other times when I know I have strayed from the path of righteousness I've lost.  Weird.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 January, 2009, 07:52:37 am
Although I'm guilty of scales watching too, weight is actually a rather poor measure of progress.

Most people's weight bounces around all over the place, and only exhibits a trend over a long span of time - say, 6 months. My weight can fluctuate a lot, for various reasons - some of them quite subtle. For example, I'll often be quite dehydrated after an Audax. This is not because I've not drunk enough during the event - but because my Glycogen level is low, and each 1g of Glycogen is bound to about 4g of water in the muscles. This can lead to a lower weight reading.

Another one is gut transit. If I reduce what I eat as part of a weight loss drive, then my gut transit slows a lot, and I can end up carrying rather a lot of... erm... "extra" around. This is despite eating a lot of fibre, and drinking water 'til I pee like a horse. It's just the way I am.

So - my Message of the Day - we need to try not to obsess about a few pounds/Kgs here or there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 29 January, 2009, 07:55:38 am
I think it may be because I've been back on the bike quite a bit this week.  I find I tend to gain weight for the first week or so after being back on the bike and then I begin to lose it quite steadily after that if I keep using the bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 January, 2009, 10:06:16 am
Don't lose heart; it's not much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 29 January, 2009, 07:09:03 pm
Static this week.
However, that did include a totally unexpected Burns' Night Supper (with too much beer) and a couple of other nights with more beer than sense.

When I said upthread about budgeting the booze in first I forgot to mention that you have to stick to the budget!  ::-)

Steve
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on 01 February, 2009, 07:58:58 am
Down to 104kg.

It would have been a better result had I stuck to my 'no booze' policy.

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 04 February, 2009, 07:27:36 am
As well as weight, as tracked on the Weight loss thread, I'm also measuring BF% and waist measurement.

I measure BF% with a Tanita scale. TBH I didn't expect anything much - there are some who know a lot about them here who don't rate them as body composition devices. But what the hell - they're in the bedroom, I may as well use them. Here are the measurements so far:

Jan 1 22.5
21.5
21.4
21.2
20.5
Feb 4 19.9

So - whether you believe the absolute figure or not (if you look at me - about 20% doesn't seem unreasonable) there is a definite downward trend, born out (just about) by the weight trend and also by my waist measurements (in cm):

Jan 1: 96
95
95
94
94
Feb 4: 93

So, I'm encouraged by this - which helps to spur me on. It really looks like I'm losing fat rather than muscle (which I'm really trying hard to keep) and some of it at least is coming from my belly - which it needs to!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RW on 04 February, 2009, 12:13:14 pm
I've managed to loose the 7lb I put on over Christmas.  My partner's been doing weightwatchers for a couple of years and got down from nearly 14 stone to under 10, she's still going.  I've been half-heartedly counting points for the last year, and kept my weight more or less stable, but since Christmas started taking it a lot more seriously.  I've been doing most of the cooking for a while, and most of that in bulk, so it's not that much extra effort to record the calories and fat in everything going in - doing the arithmetic and putting the points value on all the freezer tubs.

I'm not finding it too hard at the moment - but it's early days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: campagman on 05 February, 2009, 07:33:56 pm
I use the 'cold bed' technique to keep my weight down. I think it is very effective and easy too. You go to bed wearing nothing but shorts, pants or similar. You are allowed no artificial or external source of heating i.e. no electric blanket, no hot water bottle, etc. When you go to bed, yes, it's cold but it does warm-up and you know that when you wake the bed will be lovely toasty warm. This warmth comes from your body burning calories. You lose weight going to bed! Very easy. This technique is more effective for single people.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on 05 February, 2009, 08:17:44 pm
Although I'm guilty of scales watching too, weight is actually a rather poor measure of progress.

Most people's weight bounces around all over the place, and only exhibits a trend over a long span of time - say, 6 months.

I don't think this is correct, your body weight will fluctuate depending how hydrated you are but a one pound fat loss a week (daily 500 Kcal deficit )  will show after a couple of weeks and definitely after a month. Unless you  are doing a lot of anaerobic work on the days before you weigh yourself I doubt glycogen depletion will be affecting your weight, with Audax it is more likely to be dehydration. Weighing yourself first thing in the morning ( lowest hydration) ) after having a pee will give the most consistent results I know Tanita recommend weighing yourself late afternoon which gives the lowest fat reading as you are normally well hydrated then. I have had to control my weight my whole adult life  and have always recorded a weekly loss when on a restricted intake. In my experience of friends, work colleagues  and relatives dieting and not loosing weight it is either that they don't know the calorific value of what they are eating or they underestimate the quantity or both.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 06 February, 2009, 07:35:46 am
I'm astonished to find that this week, despite having flu and a bad case of the trots my weight has stayed the same.  I thought that having hardy eaten a morsel for several days I might have lost something.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 February, 2009, 09:01:18 am
I use the 'cold bed' technique ... This technique is more effective for single people.

Depends how much like an ice block your partner is ;)

And it doesn't seem to be working for me.  My weight is going up :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: PloddinPedro on 06 February, 2009, 02:45:52 pm
I measure BF% with a Tanita scale.
I have some of these scales but I've lost the instructions on how to set them up to give the body fat percentage - can you let me know the routine?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 06 February, 2009, 02:51:18 pm
I measure BF% with a Tanita scale.
I have some of these scales but I've lost the instructions on how to set them up to give the body fat percentage - can you let me know the routine?

http://www.tanita.co.uk/ (http://www.tanita.co.uk/)

Just enter 'manual' in the searchbox and you can download a PDF for your particular model.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 February, 2009, 02:58:24 pm
Weight up again.  Oh this is awful :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 February, 2009, 08:40:16 pm
As well as weight, as tracked on the Weight loss thread, I'm also measuring BF% and waist measurement.

I measure BF% with a Tanita scale. TBH I didn't expect anything much - there are some who know a lot about them here who don't rate them as body composition devices. But what the hell - they're in the bedroom, I may as well use them. Here are the measurements so far:

Jan 1 22.5
21.5
21.4
21.2
20.5
Feb 4 19.9

So - whether you believe the absolute figure or not (if you look at me - about 20% doesn't seem unreasonable) there is a definite downward trend, born out (just about) by the weight trend and also by my waist measurements (in cm):

Jan 1: 96
95
95
94
94
Feb 4: 93

So, I'm encouraged by this - which helps to spur me on. It really looks like I'm losing fat rather than muscle (which I'm really trying hard to keep) and some of it at least is coming from my belly - which it needs to!

I get a similar correlation.

It's rather more stark when I am doing shedloads of Audax.  At one point last year it was about 4% down on the peak body fat I hit at this kind of time of year.

It's only useful as a guide though - if I switch to athlete mode the number drops by more than the variation I get between thin and fat times of the year.  So how can it be accurate as an absolute measure?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 09 February, 2009, 10:52:59 am
Oh I hope there's something wrong with my scales. Putting 7 pounds on in a single week shouldn't really be possible should it?  >:(

That's 4 weeks progress gone, back to stage 1.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 February, 2009, 08:31:56 am
Bugger  >:(.

Not a good week; little exercise and too much rubbish to eat. Waiting for my cold to clear before I get outside and active again. Trouble with having a cold is, it encourages me to eat stodge and sugary stuff.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 11 February, 2009, 08:43:49 am
I have deliberately avoided this thread until now. Started the year at 93.5ish. With a very careful approach (measure everything, don't snack between meals)  and trying to get some exercise in I am now down to something around 89. I have not yet seen 87 on the scales  and last night was a meal out, but still this morning before my run in to work it was under 90kg  :thumbsup:
Only 10kg to go before September, less than 5 before Easter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 11 February, 2009, 09:17:31 am
Well done, David.  Being of a similar build to me, I imagine you find it hard to shift the excess, but you're somewhat lighter than me. 

I'm back to where I was a month ago.  So that has to be progress.  Getting back on the bike (albeit not full commuting) has certainly helped.

But there's a long way to go.  I need to lose another 2kg before I get to the magic 100kg mark.  I'll be happy to get through that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 11 February, 2009, 01:02:00 pm
Not as bad as I thought. Put a couple of pounds back on, I'm not being strict enough with myself.

Damn you tasty cider!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 11 February, 2009, 04:42:24 pm
Well done, David.  Being of a similar build to me, I imagine you find it hard to shift the excess, but you're somewhat lighter than me. 

I'm back to where I was a month ago.  So that has to be progress.  Getting back on the bike (albeit not full commuting) has certainly helped.

But there's a long way to go.  I need to lose another 2kg before I get to the magic 100kg mark.  I'll be happy to get through that.

Three or four years ago I was 105kg. What I found worked:

Be obsessive about what you eat for thirteen days a fortnight.  Eat a small breakfast, a small lunch and a moderate evening meal.  Small means exactly that. 1 weetabix, no sugar for example. I measure the museli by the spoon (three desert spoons is the usual).
Don't eat between meals. If you are hungry then drink some water/herbal tea. Any amount of fruit or veg is allowed but limit the carbs - you don't need a portion that big. You should have enough to give you the energy you need but not enough to feel full full. 

Exercise when you can - on a good week I do six days out of seven. On a poor week, 1 with a session of at least half an hour.

And the weight will fall off like crazy. It does help having a not hugely stressful job as dealing with things when energy depleted is not the easiest.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 11 February, 2009, 05:39:17 pm
I like the sound of that David.There is a lot sense in there. I will try that & see if I can be firm with myself & make it happen because I seem to have reached a plateau at 94.5 kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 11 February, 2009, 09:16:43 pm
I do comfort eat when stressed, and things are difficult just now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 12 February, 2009, 09:45:13 am
I do comfort eat when stressed, and things are difficult just now.

A comfort mug of coffee or tea is far better than comfort chocolate eclairs, at least in the long run.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonycollinet on 12 February, 2009, 06:26:21 pm
I've reached my danger stage.

Having lost about 7 pounds, I am now stalled again - this is the point at which I often give up - where as what I need to do is push it just that bit further.

Annoyingly I saw 13:8 on the scales at the weekend - 3lb lighter than now - but I think I was dehydrated after a 20mile ride and no fluids.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on 12 February, 2009, 07:33:47 pm
I've reached my danger stage.

Having lost about 7 pounds, I am now stalled again - this is the point at which I often give up - where as what I need to do is push it just that bit further.

Annoyingly I saw 13:8 on the scales at the weekend - 3lb lighter than now - but I think I was dehydrated after a 20mile ride and no fluids.

7lbs is great progress.  Don't be put off though, sometimes a plateau is reached.  Perhaps there has been an increase in muscle tone, which is always good. :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on 12 February, 2009, 07:56:08 pm
Annoyingly I saw 13:8 on the scales at the weekend - 3lb lighter than now

It is tempting to weigh yourself more frequently than once a week but it can be misleading and demoralising if it doesn't show what you are hoping. I have found it is best  to get into the habit of weighing myself just once a week at the same time, the best  time for the most consistent results are after you get up and have had a pee. I find the Tanita fat scales useful, firstly they are more accurate than spring scales as they use a strain gauge and I find the fat, water and lean muscle figures interesting and motivating although I accept they are not completely accurate they do give personal trends. I find cutting out booze, visible fats and less of everything else works for me. I don't think exercise plays a big part in the short term.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 February, 2009, 12:57:42 pm
I do comfort eat when stressed, and things are difficult just now.

A comfort mug of coffee or tea is far better than comfort chocolate eclairs, at least in the long run.

..d

True.  But I need to be careful about the caffeine intake too.

Time to bring herbal teabags to work, I think :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 13 February, 2009, 02:04:22 pm
Gaind 1.5 lbs. Oh well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 18 February, 2009, 10:04:29 am
Down 2kg from last week although it's almost certainly due to dehydration (well, more than normal) as I didn't drink much water when playing football last night and sweated like 10 sweating things.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on 18 February, 2009, 10:40:14 am
I have learnt that I may have hit my weight plateau.

89Kg for 3 weeks running.

AQ, it doesn't actually when you weigh yourself, as long as you weigh yourself at the same time every time (I weigh myself when I get back to the hotel each night)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 February, 2009, 12:16:41 pm
Well, I'm the same as last week, which can be regarded as progress in the circumstances.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: The Bairn on 18 February, 2009, 12:54:22 pm
After a short period of forced inactivity due to injury I need some motivation, and what better than a public declaration.   Here goes -

17/02/2009 : 83 kg

The above is based on a wii fit measurement - interestingly my bathroom scales say 80kg but they are almost as old as I am and I'll reluctantly have to assume they are as incorrect as they are flattering.

Target would be to get down to 76kg which would bring respectability to BMI and power to weight ratio.     

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 25 February, 2009, 09:01:56 am
+ 0.5kg.  Ar5e!  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 25 February, 2009, 09:41:06 am
+3 kg

WTH?  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 25 February, 2009, 09:50:32 am
Down 2kg from last week although it's almost certainly due to dehydration (well, more than normal) as I didn't drink much water when playing football last night and sweated like 10 sweating things.

Yup. Back up to 82.5kg.

No problem as I look thinner so I must just be putting on muscle and losing the flab I picked up after 2 months of apathy in South America.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 February, 2009, 10:55:34 am
Yay!  Despite pancakes, I have managed to get down to 101.6kg this week! :D

That'll be what I was at the first weigh in. :(

Never mind - it's been going the right direction since I've been back on the bike :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonycollinet on 25 February, 2009, 07:07:59 pm
Stalled again - only 2lb down in feb - half my target.

Still -at least the trend is in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on 25 February, 2009, 07:50:10 pm
Target reached,  gone from 82.2 kg on Jan 7th to 75.6 kg today or just over a stone in old money in 7 weeks. I am eating well so will not drastically increase my intake as the hills seem to be a bit easier although I have just eaten a pile of pancakes with Banana and maple syrup and looking forward to a nice bottle of red at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 25 February, 2009, 07:52:39 pm
Cool, well done inc :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 February, 2009, 07:59:49 pm
Yes, that's good work.  Just maintaining it now... :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RW on 25 February, 2009, 08:20:12 pm
Put on a bit this week  :( but did spend the weekend in France  :)
I'll have to take the old diet a bit more seriously and do it every day - all day, hmm all day would help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 04 March, 2009, 06:35:41 am
I am not dropping in weight but I am changing shape, for the better.

I did have a little hiccup on the weekend and yesterday evening, but I am not slipping back into old habits. 

Having a calorie counter on the bike doesn't help.  For example, I was burning 46 calories per mile at one stage last night.  My average I think was 40 calories per mile.

So when I went to the freezer last night I noticed that the ice cream was only 125 calories for a 75g servicing.  I had a bowel but forgot to weigh it.  So I had another - 75g worth.  That was therefore 250 calories put back in - or however many miles that is.

I am also on Total Whey now as my natural diet is too high in carbs and I don't get enough protein.  I can feel the difference already.  One of the ladies at work used to be into body building and she has given me a gem of an idea.

Freeze the prepared whey drink and then eat it.  It tastes great and is very much like ice cream.  So this way I can get my 'fix' but not break the rules  ;D  Whey hey  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 March, 2009, 09:12:58 am
...  I had a bowel but forgot to weigh it.  ...

There's your problem! ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 March, 2009, 09:17:54 am
Another week of holding steady.  Which is quite remarkable, really, given that I had two cooked breakfasts in a whole weekend of 'bought' meals, during which we weren't out riding, and only did a very short walk.

But the commuting must be doing some good.  I've done about 150km of commute since the last weigh in, only missing friday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 04 March, 2009, 12:32:38 pm
Having a calorie counter on the bike doesn't help.  For example, I was burning 46 calories per mile at one stage last night.  My average I think was 40 calories per mile.

Hmm, that looks a little high. Pros racing in Tours use about 850kcal and they're averaging about 30mph. Unless your computer measures power at the cranks (or wheel) then the calorie reading is just some estimated figure based on your speed1, HR2, or both3. I certainly wouldn't use those figures as a basis for adapting my calorie intake.

For me, pushing quite hard (but not sub-30 minute 10 mile TT hard) on a commute gets me about 500kcal/hour. Audaxing I'm looking at about 300-350kcal/hour (up to 400kcal/hour on a hilly ride).

1. Which is rubbish since it clocks up kcal slower when I'm graunching slowly up a steep hill or into a strong headwind. Downhill, or with a tailwind, and the calories zoom up. No it doesn't even out.

2. The HRM based kcal calculation is even worse for me. My HRM reads slightly less than double what I'd expect when cycling but does look reasonably accurate for running though.

3. My Forerunner 405 (GPS+HRM) is the worst of the lot despite it having the most information (including gradient). It claimed I expended 7659kcal on the Willy Warmer 200km Audax. That's 61kcal per mile or 820kcal per hour. Garbage figures.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 04 March, 2009, 01:23:14 pm
I've started to reach the weight level I normally plateau at,  82Kg

I don't see any reason why I shouldn't try for 78Kg as and end result, it's not unreasonable for my height.  But I always seem to get stuck at 82Kg.  So this time I am going to try something a little more extreme.  I am going to have slimfast for lunch instead of sandwiches.  Yes that's right!  Don't try and talk me out of this journey to the edge of madness.  Breakfast and evening meal will remain the same.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 March, 2009, 01:24:39 pm
From my powertap data, I would put an easy 200 at ~32kcal/mile and a tough one at ~40kcal/mile.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonycollinet on 04 March, 2009, 06:28:37 pm
I have now lost 10lb since before Christmas, and 7lb since start of Jan. Not hitting my target of 1lb/week quite, but not far off. Just means I'll have to keep it going for a month or so longer.

Feeling pretty happy today - I now weigh less than I have in at least 5 years. Probably more like 8
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 04 March, 2009, 07:36:13 pm
The data is coming from my Polar CS400.  It measures the cadence, speed, gradient against my heart rate.  It knows my age and weight.  It also looks at heart beats and the gaps between them and my recovery rate.  It does seem all rather clever.  Perhaps cleverer than yours?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 04 March, 2009, 10:10:15 pm
The data is coming from my Polar CS400.  It measures the cadence, speed, gradient against my heart rate.  It knows my age and weight.  It also looks at heart beats and the gaps between them and my recovery rate.  It does seem all rather clever.  Perhaps cleverer than yours?

Possibly, the power figures from simonp's Powertap have kind of changed my mind. That and realising that 400kcal an hour (at Audax pace) is not that far off 40kcal/mile. :)

My Forerunner 405 knows my age, height and weight, plus my HR, speed and gradient and is still out by a factor of 2.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 March, 2009, 10:20:07 pm
The powertap numbers are far lower than I ever got from an HRM.  IIRC I got about 7000 calories for Cambridge to London to Cambridge using HRM which is again about 2x too high.

I would like to try the powertap on a time trial this year, could be interesting.

I think the one where I got ~5000kcals was my fastest ever 200 on the Yukon, in windy conditions, the week before PBP.  I got similar results for the first 200km of the Cheddar Gorge 300 (before it went wrong).  4000 is much more common.

Data from the Tour could be a bit misleading because they'll be on much lighter bikes and riding in the peloton saves a huge amount of energy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 05 March, 2009, 07:59:11 am
More exercise & less food seems to reduce one's weight slightly :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 05 March, 2009, 11:03:08 pm
Lots more exercise, and eating sensibly so the body doesn't think it is starving. Saw a number in the 86.x range this evening. At the new year it was 94.x

I feel fitter. My resting pulse is now into the mid 40's and I still can't keep up on the hills.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 07 March, 2009, 09:01:16 pm
Still at 76kg. Not as light as before but stronger and thinner.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 07 March, 2009, 11:51:30 pm
Just got back from a long day in the saddle, nearly the equv of a 400 - tested  my blood sugar and it is only 6.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 08 March, 2009, 09:11:34 am
More exercise & less food seems to reduce one's weight slightly :)
so are you going in the right direction alan ?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 08 March, 2009, 09:22:12 am
Yes.
I need to buy a belt to hold my trousers up :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 09 March, 2009, 03:42:16 pm
My scales are being mean after the weekend of relative sloth and indulgence.
Oh well, plenty of touring miles to be had next weekend..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 11 March, 2009, 09:17:27 am
Wednesday again so soon? :-\

Stepped on the scales with trepidation, expecting at best that I'd maintained my weight a second week, but pleasantly surprised to see I'm not lighter than I've been in a long time.  I can't see a difference yet, but it's happening slowly. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 March, 2009, 09:24:27 am
Right - so I've got consistency sussed - now all I need to do is consistently lose weight.

Someone previously mentioned that a simple 500 kcal a day deficit (not hard to achieve) would have the desired effect over time. I dismissed this idea as being "too hard" to keep up. Now I'm not so sure. I haven't really been trying at all these last five weeks, and yet my weight has been very consistent. So, perhaps a couple of tweaks to the WoL (fewer hot cross buns, get out on the bike during the week a bit more) might just work.

I like treating life as a science experiment  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 11 March, 2009, 09:31:32 am
I think the key for me is getting a decent ride every day.  And the discipline of adding the last bit to make 40km each day seems to help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 11 March, 2009, 04:05:57 pm
I think the key for me is getting a decent ride every day.  And the discipline of adding the last bit to make 40km each day seems to help.

Then you are doing more miles than me. I struggle to do 100 miles a week. I do fit in a gym class and a run which add to the total (equivalent of maybe another 30 miles).

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 11 March, 2009, 04:25:27 pm
That's probably better, as it's more all-round fitness.  I've always had decent leg muscles, but my upper body strength has been poor.  Except for a period when I did some core strength exercises, I've not really exercised anything not involved in cycling or walking properly at all :-[

I don't have the discipline to go to a gym. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 11 March, 2009, 04:27:22 pm
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym. 

Reminds me, need to cancel my gym membership. Not going frequently enough to make it financially viable (it's cheaper to pay the one off entrance fees).

No problem doing this as it is the local council gym and so I'm not tied in for twelfty months and can rejoin at such a time that it becomes financially prudent.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 11 March, 2009, 09:13:38 pm
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym. 

Sessions at certain times with people you know. You go along as much for the banter as the exercise..
Discipline is only needed if you don't want to do it.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on 11 March, 2009, 10:18:54 pm
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym. 

Sessions at certain times with people you know. You go along as much for the banter as the exercise..
Discipline is only needed if you don't want to do it.

..d

For me the trick in the gym is to try and see some improvement each visit, no matter how small.  It doesn't always happen, but more often than not there's a few seconds extra here or a couple of pounds more there.  It's the feeling of improvement that's the real spur IMO.

As for the discipline, personally I find it easier to motivate myself to go to the gym if it's a miserable day with the promise of rain.  I'm also of the view that an hour of power intervals on the gym trainer is worth 2-3 unstructured hours on the road.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 12 March, 2009, 03:44:01 pm
Lowest reading so far this year  :thumbsup:
On the downside, I had to get new suit trousers this week as the old ones were too tight. Same size as my jeans, not a bigger size - so I've not quite missed that target. The timing has more to do with how often I wear a suit than an expanding belly or the cut of my trousers.
I'm also expecting to be back up next week as it is our wedding anniversary and Mrs Dan and I have booked a weekend of slothful indulgance  ;D

Fewer sneaky biscuits and more riding required!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 March, 2009, 10:09:34 am
Slow progress again, but still heading in the right direction :thumbsup:

My first target is in sight.  I'm lighter than I've been in the past fifteen years, and my legs are better than they've been for the best part of two decades!

It's all good.  I've just got to rein in the snacks. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 18 March, 2009, 10:22:50 am
Yay :-*

Well, I'm now under 11 stone for the first time in at least 2 years :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 March, 2009, 10:27:13 am
:-* :-* :-*

And beautiful you look on it :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 18 March, 2009, 12:37:27 pm
Today I feel "happy-chappy"
I need an emoticon for smug-git ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 18 March, 2009, 07:20:28 pm
Whooo-hooo!  Only 2kg more to lose until I reach my goal.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 18 March, 2009, 08:31:48 pm
No point weighing myself today as I was out of routine and not in the usual circumstances.

Hoping for post Audax weight loss next week though.

Goal is definitely 12st (76.2kg) by LEL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 19 March, 2009, 12:09:13 am
:-* :-* :-*

And beautiful you look on it :)
Will you two just get a room please ?   ;D

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 25 March, 2009, 08:22:13 am
Well... consistency is still my middle name - that's seven weeks now at 88 point something  ::-)

If I could get my head in a Happy Place (bit depressed at the moment - too long a story for here) then all I'd need to do is ditch the junk calories and drinkahol and magic would happen.

I did rather hope that back to back 200s last weekend would kick-start some change - I was rather hoping the change would be downwards...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 March, 2009, 09:48:57 am
Surprised nothing lost this week, what with riding more and not snacking so much.  Arse.

Never mind - it's all good. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 25 March, 2009, 09:58:04 am
Recent audaxing may have finally pushed me beyond the plateau. A nice steady 10 weeks of a pound a week loss would be more than welcome.

We'll see if this weekends weathery insanity will have a further effect. With a bit of effort I may even hit 1500km this month :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 25 March, 2009, 10:28:30 am
Whoops. Forgot to weigh myself this morning.

I guess I was too busy eating an entire easter egg.  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 25 March, 2009, 11:09:42 am
Whoops. Forgot to weigh myself this morning.

I guess I was too busy eating an entire easter egg.  :-[
;D I'm that will help!! You've got an entire week to balance it out now. :D I stayed the same this week. Too much bread and cheese and mars bars, I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 March, 2009, 09:13:08 pm
I have got out of the habit of weighing myself.

Just seeing myself in the window whilst on the turbo the other night was enough to know which direction the lack of cycling recently has sent me.

However, things should start moving in the right direction again now.  I cycled over 40 miles at the weekend, did an hour on the turbo on Tuesday, and I had a gym session just now where I rowed 5000m in 20:20 (326 kcals so that's not far off 1000kcals an hour)

And to think I used to consider that alot - it's 'only' 197 Watts average.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 27 March, 2009, 08:50:10 am
Seem to have plateaued at about 87ish. Much fitter than I was and feeling better, but wondering how to get shot of the next 2 or 3 kg. Off to the gym for a spinning class at lunchtime.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on 31 March, 2009, 09:08:56 am
Stuck at 105kg but my trousers are looser.

Had hoped to be under 100kgs for the Dorset Coast.

Oh well.

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 31 March, 2009, 09:13:10 am
Had hoped to be under 100kgs for the Dorset Coast.

You'll still be faster than me... ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on 31 March, 2009, 09:19:03 am
Had hoped to be under 100kgs for the Dorset Coast.

You'll still be faster than me... ;)

Only if my trousers stay up.  :o

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 April, 2009, 12:18:55 pm
Getting there.  After my weight went up while not riding, I'm now down exactly 2kg on my start point, and just 0.2kg from my target.  Actually, I got a bit overexcited at first, when the scales seemed to show I was under 100kg, but I realised they weren't exactly flat, so I put them back in the place I always use, and got the more realistic (if slightly more disappointing) result.

Happy.  Just need to keep it up, although I shan't make my 40km today, as I will be going to work on the train... :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 01 April, 2009, 12:31:12 pm
I'm gradually getting there.  I have been much better with my sugar of late.  Having a throat infection helps though as I've gone off food too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 01 April, 2009, 12:37:45 pm
First time under 80kg since getting back from South America and in fact, *checks back*, since the end of July 2008.

It took 10 weeks of cycling again (after 10 weeks of no cycling) before I'd regained the lost muscle and the weight started to go downward. Interesting.

8lb to lose now before LEL. Rar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 April, 2009, 02:25:07 pm
Good work, both.  It's all good :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonycollinet on 01 April, 2009, 06:50:27 pm
Well, finally - got rid of another pound. It took 3 weeks though.

I know it is supposed to be slow, but that is verging on the daft.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 02 April, 2009, 09:08:42 pm
Oh dear me..I have gained 2kg in two weeks despite maintaining my reduction in portions & avoiding biscuits etc.
It is rather peculiar to have gained weight when I have been doing physical work each day for ten days & this week have been wearing a pair of trousers,quite comfortably,which were too small in the waist a while ago
Confused of Staffordshire :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 02 April, 2009, 09:14:27 pm
Putting muscle on, Alan?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 02 April, 2009, 09:22:23 pm
Putting muscle on, Alan?

mmmm... mebbe. It would have been preferable for the flesh that seems to have migrated from my waist to have travelled south several inches ;) ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 02 April, 2009, 09:23:43 pm
I should add that I actually feel better/more sprightly than I have for a long time :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 03 April, 2009, 08:58:23 am
This morning the scales indicate a 2kg loss over two weeks which equates to an overnight loss of 4kg :-\.
I'll  wait & see what next week's weigh in shows.Meanwhile I'm happy to be wearing the slimmer waist trousers which are a constant reminder that there is less lard hereabouts :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 April, 2009, 09:12:31 am
Well, I don't want to raise my hopes too high, but this morning, under usual wednesday weigh-in conditions, I had hit my target!  Let's see if I can be sensible for a couple of days (and then the rest of my like :-\ ) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 06 April, 2009, 11:52:29 am
in the 4 weeks I've been off the beer, I've lost 4 kilos.  Damn, that's depressing. 


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 April, 2009, 11:58:10 am
No it's not - it's a great start!  All that remains is for you to continue to forget to drink alcohol, and spend the money saved on bikes :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 April, 2009, 01:29:47 pm
in the 4 weeks I've been off the beer, I've lost 4 kilos.  Damn, that's depressing. 




Indeed, I to am very depressed by this news.  Power output not dropped I take it?

 ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 06 April, 2009, 01:37:40 pm

Indeed, I to am very depressed by this news.  Power output not dropped I take it?

 ::-)


quite the opposite in fact, old boy....  How is the knee?  Fancy a hilly training session yet?

;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JJ on 06 April, 2009, 01:59:32 pm
Mike,
I followed your advice as given on the 200, and lo, the belly doth depart with the beer.  You are right.  This is Not GoodTM.  However it does make hills less horrendous.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 06 April, 2009, 09:24:44 pm
Weight is staticish at 87-88 (with the occasional dehydration to 85ish.) Getting stronger and fitter though so hoping this is a temporary plateau.

Racing starts on Wednesday. Must not compensate in my diet.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 April, 2009, 11:09:42 pm

Indeed, I to am very depressed by this news.  Power output not dropped I take it?

 ::-)


quite the opposite in fact, old boy....  How is the knee?  Fancy a hilly training session yet?

;D

OK, that's enough sandbagging.  ;)

I've been training on my Galaxy which weighs 15kg, with a pannier on it as well, containing a 1.5kg D lock, etc, and doing night time rides whilst driving an Edelux.  Now it's time to see where I'm at.

I've just got off the turbo after a 2x20 minutes x 200W session.  I was actually quite a bit over 200W in the first 20 and maybe a little under in the second; I will have a look on the PC later.  This compares favourably with my best session from 2008, but I am still short of where I was in May.  I'll get there soon, though.  And then I'll push on a bit more.  Endurance will need some more work, as I've not done a 50 mile ride yet.

 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 April, 2009, 01:10:30 am
Turns out I weigh 74.0kg which isn't as bad as I expected given the booze (wedding) at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 April, 2009, 12:55:19 am
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread, but:

first interval:

Max power 256W, average 213W.

second interval:

Max power 263W, average 203W.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/simon.proven/workout-2009-04-06.png)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 08 April, 2009, 07:40:10 am
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding and being sensible...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on 08 April, 2009, 07:46:41 am
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding and being sensible...

Fantastic news!!!

How long before we can't see you when you turn sideways? Not long I bet :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 08 April, 2009, 07:58:12 am
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread, but:

first interval:

Max power 256W, average 213W.

second interval:

Max power 263W, average 203W.

congrats on getting through it intact!!  how was the knee after?

(just done a quick power to weight calc., I recon I'm now slightly ahead :))
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 08 April, 2009, 08:59:18 am
Just 1kg and a bit from my target weight.  :)

I expect to add a bit more muscle over the next few months so I must keep working on the flab.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 08 April, 2009, 09:30:57 am
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding and being sensible...
Hurrah! Well done :-*.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 08 April, 2009, 09:41:47 am
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread,

Ooh, what trainer/power meter is that?

78.7kg today. I is happy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 08 April, 2009, 10:14:39 am
Interesting how your heart rate didn't drop all the way back in the rest period between the two intervals, even though the power output was minimal. I've noticed that myself, when doing 2x20s.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 April, 2009, 11:42:18 am
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread,

Ooh, what trainer/power meter is that?


Trainer is, iirc, Elite Crono Fluid Elastogel Turbo Trainer, power meter is PowerTap Pro, software used to display results was Cycling Peaks WKO+.

Quote

78.7kg today. I is happy.

Excellent!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 April, 2009, 11:51:52 am
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread, but:

first interval:

Max power 256W, average 213W.

second interval:

Max power 263W, average 203W.

congrats on getting through it intact!!  how was the knee after?

(just done a quick power to weight calc., I recon I'm now slightly ahead :))

Was ok afterwards.

I expect you are slightly ahead.  I pushed quite hard at the end as you can probably see from the graph.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 08 April, 2009, 12:03:57 pm
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding and being sensible...

Well done Clarion!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 April, 2009, 06:13:57 pm
OK, that's done it.

Today I ordered a spare wiring hardness for it.

Will be able to monitor power on a time trial now.  And on the Fred Whitton Challenge.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 08 April, 2009, 09:49:40 pm
Trainer is, iirc, Elite Crono Fluid Elastogel Turbo Trainer, power meter is PowerTap Pro, software used to display results was Cycling Peaks WKO+.

Ta, I was tempted to rent a PowerTap wheel for a while to give it a try out. £8 per week.

Trainer not much good since I live in a 1st floor flat and the downstairs neighbours might not enjoy the noise, but I can still rag the PowerTap round the park.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 09 April, 2009, 07:17:10 am
99.9 this morning!!!

Down from 107ish at new year and the first time in 6 years I've been under 100kgs.  Chuffed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 09 April, 2009, 08:07:24 am
I have  measured my weight several times over the past 24 hrs in view of the confusion relating to last week's weigh-in.

My vanity allows me to believe that the current reading of 92kg is correct ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 09 April, 2009, 08:27:35 am
99.9 this morning!!!

Down from 107ish at new year and the first time in 6 years I've been under 100kgs.  Chuffed.
Cool! well done :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 09 April, 2009, 08:49:45 am
99.9 this morning!!!

Down from 107ish at new year and the first time in 6 years I've been under 100kgs.  Chuffed.

That's very well done.  That 100kg mark is very psychological.  This morning, I was back over slightly, but it's the Wednesday figures that count! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 14 April, 2009, 12:54:39 pm
BBC NEWS | Health | Confessions of a weight-loss cyclist (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7953197.stm)

Tidy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 14 April, 2009, 01:01:45 pm
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding

Fail

Quote
and being sensible...

Fail.

:-[

Not too bad.  I'll see how it is by Wednesday
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 14 April, 2009, 01:08:59 pm
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding

Fail

Quote
and being sensible...

Fail.

:-[

Not too bad.  I'll see how it is by Wednesday

Don't think of it as fail - just put it down to being just one of those weeks and you will be soon on track - you have such good cycling prowess  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 14 April, 2009, 01:14:54 pm
Well, it was a fun weekend which contained far too much eating, hardly any cycling, and a lot of lying around in the sunshine, so not all bad at all, really ;)

btw, my son was v disappointed when he heard the campsite wasn't actually in Wales.  Fortunately, a visit to see a forummer meant we did enter the Principality :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 14 April, 2009, 01:27:54 pm
Well, it was a fun weekend which contained far too much eating, hardly any cycling, and a lot of lying around in the sunshine, so not all bad at all, really ;)

btw, my son was v disappointed when he heard the campsite wasn't actually in Wales.  Fortunately, a visit to see a forummer meant we did enter the Principality :thumbsup:

Ah, and in which part of the Principality did you enter?

I did 104 (over 5000 ft of climbing) miles over the Easter week-end so I feel like a good girl and was able to eat that Smarties Easter egg without incurring any guilt ridden thoughts  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 14 April, 2009, 01:30:05 pm
Well done!  And we were in Ross, so popped over near Monmouth.  Very very pretty :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 14 April, 2009, 01:34:49 pm
Well done!  And we were in Ross, so popped over near Monmouth.  Very very pretty :)

Oh its so beautiful around there (and I heard that the west got the better weather than us), one of my friends is moving from Leighton Buzzard to go and live in that part of the world.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 14 April, 2009, 01:36:51 pm
Great if they can do it!  It was horrid returning to the south east of England after.  And yes - solid sunshine :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 14 April, 2009, 03:12:48 pm
This forthcoming Wednesday weigh-in will be interesting after a four day weeekend with too many cooked breakfasts,lunches & evening meals of the 3 course + wine variety & no cycling :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 14 April, 2009, 04:05:31 pm
I'm avoiding tomorrow's weigh-in by travelling. :)  (No scales at home, I use ones at the gym).  Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be in any better shape by next Wednesday, when I'll be back to work.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 15 April, 2009, 09:43:19 am
Back up to 100.2kg, so below target 1.

That's the result of no cycling and a number of cooked breakfasts (and too many sweets) :-[

Hopefully, I'll be back on track by next week - let's see what the weeked holds! :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 15 April, 2009, 09:46:18 am
Good, not much cycling this week but managed to stay roughly the same weight. Then again, there's almost no point comparing individual weeks as the variance due to hydration levels is about 4 times what I hope to lose each week. Must get out of this habit.

More big miles to come in late April and May (hilly 300 - Elenith, hilly 600 - Bryan Chapman, hilly 400 - London to Cornwall). :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 15 April, 2009, 09:47:13 am
Too much chocolate for me. Put a few pounds back on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 15 April, 2009, 10:27:54 am
Me too :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 15 April, 2009, 10:45:08 am
Me too :-[

But you're beautiful and perfect anyway! :-* :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 April, 2009, 12:51:56 pm
Gah. Back on track.  99.6kg.  But a day too late. :(

Never mind.  I've been winning by the rules, I can take some knocks by the rules as well.  I just need to recognise that I am benefiting from the reduced weight for the week, and have a head start on next week's weigh in, so I ought to get a decent rating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 16 April, 2009, 03:39:18 pm
Up by half a kilo which is not too shabby considering how much I ate over the Easter weekend & no exercise  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 20 April, 2009, 11:03:44 am
Uggh I went way off in my calorie in/out earlier this month.  I had stomach bug followed by a week of not commuting due to half term.  I gained approx a kilo

Anyway, I now have a new goal in mind.  80Kg for the K&SW 600 at the end of May.  That's 39 days time.  According to my calculations

A kilo of flab is 7716 calories

I need to loose another 2.2Kg so that's 16975 calories

16975 divided by 39 is 435 calorie deficit, on average, per day.  Ouch.  I guess I'd better get used to going to bed hungry quick :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 April, 2009, 10:38:52 am
Gah. Back on track.  99.6kg.  But a day too late. :(

Never mind.  I've been winning by the rules, I can take some knocks by the rules as well.  I just need to recognise that I am benefiting from the reduced weight for the week, and have a head start on next week's weigh in, so I ought to get a decent rating.

Yeah.  Eating too many chocolates & big dinners doesn't help in that.

100.6kg - back to where I was a month ago, after two weeks of gaining weight.

Still, I'm riding hard, and hope to catch it back...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 22 April, 2009, 03:03:30 pm
Up by half a kilo which is not too shabby considering how much I ate over the Easter weekend & no exercise  :(

lost that half kilo :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 April, 2009, 03:07:29 pm
Well done! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RW on 23 April, 2009, 08:16:18 am
I hit my target last week via a nasty dose of the trots & :sick:
Back on track now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 23 April, 2009, 12:29:42 pm
I saw a TV show the other night about Obesity surgery.  Mrs vorsprung likes that sort of thing.  Anyway, the best bit was what the surgeon had for lunch

"I never eat any beige food", he pronounced.  "I find a tin of tuna fish is good.  It fits in your pocket and doesn't need refrigeration"
Then he took the piss out of one of his team as she was eating crisps

So I'm having a tin of tuna for lunch today instead of a sandwich!  200g tin is 150 kcal
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 23 April, 2009, 09:59:17 pm
We're having the bathroom rebuilt, so the scales are hidden in a cupboard. Good thing I expect, on at least three counts:

So, damage limitation for a bit then some extra riding to get back on track.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 April, 2009, 12:19:45 pm
Achieved target (again ::-) ).  Just.  100.0kg

I feel pretty good about that, and I hope I'll manage to stay below that now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 29 April, 2009, 12:58:41 pm
Achieved target (again ::-) ).  Just.  100.0kg

I feel pretty good about that, and I hope I'll manage to stay below that now.

I got to the target too!  79.9kg.  I have to keep it down at that kind of level now!  I don't think it is due to dehydration or anything like that.  I have recovered from the Elenith now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 29 April, 2009, 01:39:36 pm
I don't think it is due to dehydration or anything like that.  I have recovered from the Elenith now.

I find that any weight loss from doing a long Audax (I don't anywhere near the calories I expend) takes about a week to show up (looking at daily weigh-ins and mentally compensating for how hydrated I am, or not).

I would have been about the same weight last week had I played 5-a-side the night before. I'd expect to see 78.x next week, however I'm going to the pub and watching the football as the 5-a-side has been cancelled so it will probably be high 79s or low 80s, even though I have probably lost a small chunk of weight.

Anyway, general trends and all that...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 29 April, 2009, 05:17:56 pm
I shall not be posting here for two or three weeks.It will be interesting to see what difference 1500km of riding & very many cooked breakfasts,porridge,jelly babies,fig biscuits,malt loaves,chocolate bars,jacket potatoes,beans,tuna & beer makes :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 April, 2009, 05:26:32 pm
Achieved target (again ::-) ).  Just.  100.0kg

I feel pretty good about that, and I hope I'll manage to stay below that now.

I got to the target too!  79.9kg.  I have to keep it down at that kind of level now!  I don't think it is due to dehydration or anything like that.  I have recovered from the Elenith now.

Well done. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 29 April, 2009, 05:29:03 pm
Beer Ah yes!  Aparrantly Stella has 221 cals /pint,  Beer? 180cals/pint and Guiness ONLY 170 cals/pint. :thumbsup: :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 29 April, 2009, 06:34:22 pm
Some of the "premier" lagers, like Enigma (the one that Guinness did a while back) were up to about 340kcal a pint. Can't think of another current example.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 29 April, 2009, 06:50:58 pm
and Guiness ONLY 170 cals/pint. :thumbsup: :P

that's my idea of an incentive ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 01 May, 2009, 06:04:34 pm
Woah!!!  just  started my fitness campaign, 194 km last week, 144 km so far this week, SMALL dinners, was 98kg mon, this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 95kg!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 06 May, 2009, 07:32:36 am
Back on track again. Lost a stone in the past two weeks (thanks to illness) and managing to keep it off for now. It's kick started me back off again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 May, 2009, 09:20:48 am
Best week since the beginning of February - lost a kilo exactly.  Definitely going in the right direction.

Not sure what I did right, really - I've had at least two cafe breakfasts this week, and pizza twice.  Didn't ride far at the weekend, either... ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 May, 2009, 09:50:36 am
Yay!  Not another kilo off, but the best part of it.  I've now lost 15kg since the most I've weighed (I may have been more than that, but I didn't measure it), which was about when I started cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 13 May, 2009, 10:15:05 am
Best week since the beginning of February - lost a kilo exactly.  Definitely going in the right direction.

Rather bizarrely, exactly the same for me too.

Moderating weekday booze (as in not having any) and back to back audax weekends (300 then a 400) probably provided the nudge off the plateau.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 May, 2009, 10:17:12 am
Well done.  You probably burned an awful lot of calories on those rides :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 13 May, 2009, 12:16:26 pm
Continued progress. Extra football last night helped.

This month should do it what with the BCM and DIY 400 to Cornwall (possibly replaced with something else as it might not be on)...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 13 May, 2009, 08:08:24 pm
We're having the bathroom rebuilt, so the scales are hidden in a cupboard. Good thing I expect, on at least three counts:
  • The easter bunny brought eggs the kids didn't like (creme) so I had to help out with them
  • I've not been on the bike for a couple of weeks because getting sweaty with no shower until I get to work is undesirable
  • I had the snip yesterday and even your most broken in and sofa-like brooks saddle doesn't appeal right now  :o

So, damage limitation for a bit then some extra riding to get back on track.

Right, excuses above are all dealt with now  :thumbsup: First weigh for 6 weeks with just one ride last week, and I'm the same weight as last time - which feels like progress to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 14 May, 2009, 09:27:55 am
All the way from John O Groats to Stoke & lost only one kilogram :(

A diet of porridge & Guiness  does not seem to be working ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 15 May, 2009, 01:41:41 pm
All the way from John O Groats to Stoke & lost only one kilogram :(

A diet of porridge & Guiness  does not seem to be working ::-)

muscle weighs more than fat
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 15 May, 2009, 01:43:27 pm
If I do an Audax at the weekend then I usually don't see any difference in my weight on the following Wednesday's weigh in.

I do usually see the difference on the weigh in the week after though...

I shall test out this theory in a bit by looking at the Audaxes I've done and my weight reports...will do it when I get a chance.

Entries in bold had an Audax the weekend before.

January__ February__ March_____ April_____ May_______ June_______
7th: 81.34th: 82.74th: 82.11st: 79.86th: 80.23rd: 78.5
14th: 81.811th: 82.611th: 81.18th: 78.713th: 78.010th:
21st: 81.918th: 80.518th: pass15th: 79.020th: 80.117th:
28th: 82.825th: 82.525th: 80.522nd: 80.227th: 79.124th:
                 29th: 79.2            

Not convincing, looks more like 2 weeks after.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 May, 2009, 03:58:24 pm
Yay, target (72.0kg) reached.  :thumbsup:

Fred Whitton Challenge FTW.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 May, 2009, 02:05:35 pm
Yay, target (72.0kg) reached.  :thumbsup:

Fred Whitton Challenge FTW.


70.9kg  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 25 May, 2009, 04:13:57 pm
My weigh in at WeightWatchers last week brought a pleasant surprise - 5lb off...

But this weekend was barbecue weekend...  :-\ so this week's weigh in may not be as good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 26 May, 2009, 10:03:36 pm
down to 93kg now! ;D thats 5kg lost.  Went into poundland and swambo wanted some sugar , so she bought 2 1.5 kg bags, and I carried them home. Christ their heavy, carrying 3kg in a carrier bag is well heavy, but guess wat, when I held it close to my stomach, I couldnt really notice a difference,  when I think that so far I've lost 3.5 of these 1.5kg bags, I'm astonished that FAT can weigh SO much. I've still got another 5kg to go to get to 89kg (14 st.) any less than that and i'll look like a pencilneckedpenpusher! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 27 May, 2009, 08:45:09 am
Yes!! Result!!!  :thumbsup:

It's official. I have defied the Laws of Thermodynamics. Awesome!

I weighed myself before last weekend. 87.9Kg. After approximately 15,000 kcals worth of cycling and two days of BMR, and whilst eating only about 3000kcals on each of those days...

I've gained half a kilo  :thumbsup:.  ;D

However. The Tanita scales insist something is going on. My body fat percentage was 22% last week, and now it's 18.5% so something changed. I guess that means I have a lot of water (and probably metabolic waste products) sloshing around in my legs. Nice  :sick:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 29 May, 2009, 11:22:46 am
Wahey!  Another 4½lbs off this week, despite a Bank Holiday weekend of too much booze and barbecued meat.

However, tomorrow is the little sister's wedding.  So compliance may be impaired... :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 June, 2009, 11:14:43 pm
I've invented a new syndrome.

PAWGS

Post Audax Weight Gain Syndrome.

I'm 1kg heavier (as of last night) than a week ago.  But my body fat (as measured by Tanita scales) is down from 17% to just under 16%.

I think Chris has it right - increased fluid in the leg muscles.  I've not got any fatter round the waist afaict.

Will see if it renormalises over the next few days.  Gym reckon I don't want to go below 15% because of the ultra endurance nature of Audax as having those reserves will be useful.

Of course, those scales can't give an accurate absolute reading and can only really indicate the direction of a trend.  I want to get in one of those body fat pods I saw on the telly.

Life Measurement, Inc. BOD POD (http://www.bodpod.com/)

However, I did find some negative stuff about accuracy of that too.  They have one at Addenbrooke's apparently.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 03 June, 2009, 09:52:08 am
I've invented a new syndrome.

PAWGS

Post Audax Weight Gain Syndrome.

Mine goes up the week after an Audax and then down in the two weeks after that. Where's the cut and paste i did...

Ah, just a few posts up: Weight Loss Discussion Thread (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg338782#msg338782) (updated with latest Audaxes and weights). Since Wednesday is weigh day the emboldened weights were taken I'd done an Audax the weekend prior.

Will see if it renormalises over the next few days.  Gym reckon I don't want to go below 15% because of the ultra endurance nature of Audax as having those reserves will be useful.

Really? The real ultra endurance athletes (i.e. the ones that do the 10 x distance Deca-Ironmans) are skinny as a rake with near bugger all fat on them. I'd be suprised if they were more than 8% body fat.

15% * (70kg/0.454) * 3500 =~ 80,000 kcal of energy in fat reserves
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 03 June, 2009, 02:33:17 pm
Up less than a kilo after more than a week on Holiday :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 04 June, 2009, 01:47:58 pm
7.5 weeks to LEL. 2.3kg to go to reach my arbitrary target of 12 stone. Should be ok.

One flat 200km DIY Audax, one insanely hilly 300km Audax, one flat 400km DIY Audax (Dun Run and back) and then LEL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 04 June, 2009, 09:16:45 pm
I've gone down 1kg in the last couple of weeks, 71kg. Other than that it's stayed pretty stable since that hilly weekend with Noodley which I find rather pleasing since I have done long rides every weekend for the last 10 weeks, including 1100km in nine days ending last weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 05 June, 2009, 09:35:48 am
Wahey!  Another 2½lbs off this week - despite grossly over indulging at my little sister's wedding at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 June, 2009, 10:54:28 pm
I suspect I've lost weight this week, due to overwork and stress.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 June, 2009, 01:20:35 am
Yep.  70.4kg as of last night.  Probably even less now.

No, the same.  Lower body fat reading so maybe less dehydration.  I didn't have breakfast today, baguette for a late lunch then a small piece of chocolate tiffin cake in town, and just finally eaten something after forgetting to have dinner.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bledlow on 07 June, 2009, 11:14:19 pm
Bah! I've not been keeping track. 66.8 kg a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 08 June, 2009, 06:12:41 pm
whoooppeeedoodahhh!  ONLY   90KG today,  thats 8kg in 6 weeks!!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 10 June, 2009, 10:01:42 am
Still going generally in the right direction :). Over a kilo lost this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 10 June, 2009, 10:29:28 am
Well done!  I'm just about holding still.  Want to get some miles in :)

EDIT:  I've lost a kilo, too! :D  I know that's a much smaller percentage, but it's good nonetheless.  Just 0.4kg over my lowest this year.  I hope to get back on track by next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: starkj73 on 11 June, 2009, 12:47:48 pm

Had my weigh in at the qym last night. I knew I had lost weight so expecting a good result. Turns out I have lost about 5-6 Kg since March. I knew the scales at home were inaccurate but I was just using them as a comparator. Didn't realise how inaccurate, I thought I was heading down to 14.5 stone gym scales say minimum of 98 Kg - 15.6 stone. I should have got my BMI checked, might have cheered me up.

A bit if wind knocked out of sails. But just temporary, will try harder.

 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 12 June, 2009, 09:31:01 am
down 1kg this week to 70kg. Don't really want to go any lower and don't think I will. LEL will probably lower it but that will be temporary.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 June, 2009, 09:49:43 pm
Weight up a little bit after the 400.  71.5kg.

Body fat measurement at a new low of 14.2%.

If that number was an accurate guage of absolute body fat it'd be saying I was back to my mid 20s level of fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 June, 2009, 09:54:26 pm
If that number was an accurate guage of absolute body fat it'd be saying I was back to my mid 20s level of fat.

Yeah - I saw you at the Haslingfield control in March, before you lost even more weight. You looked like you needed a decent feed, even then...  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 June, 2009, 10:46:04 pm
If that number was an accurate guage of absolute body fat it'd be saying I was back to my mid 20s level of fat.

Yeah - I saw you at the Haslingfield control in March, before you lost even more weight. You looked like you needed a decent feed, even then...  ;D

Erm I was 4kg heavier then than now, and about the heaviest I'd ever been.  "Perfect" BMI apparently.  Now I'm back to the approx weight I was when I rode the BCM last year, but my body fat is a tad lower.  Excellent news given the MSG 300 is weekend after next.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 June, 2009, 10:51:27 pm
I'll beat you on the descents then!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 June, 2009, 11:11:56 pm
If the weather forecast looks very good I might be tempted to try to use the Madone.  The big question is can I fit a dynohub between the forks?  I'm not convinced I can, they seem to have not a lot of clearance.

Madone saves about 4kg weight compared to the Yukon, plus of course I'm forced to carry less weight.  Obv swapping in a different wheel will reduce that saving, but probably the whole package (me+bike+stuff) will be about 80-82kg instead of 85-90kg.

Big question is how bad the road surfaces will be.  I don't remember them being very bad last year.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 16 June, 2009, 11:50:08 pm
If the weather forecast looks very good I might be tempted to try to use the Madone. 

I'm not tempted at all to use the Wilier. Aravis Audax all the way for me.

However, the over-riding reason is that I haven't got the Wilier set up properly for anything more than a 90 minute ride.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 June, 2009, 12:03:04 am
The Madone is surprisingly comfortable for Audax.  I've done 4 200km-ish rides on it and not suffered.  I used the Yukon at the weekend and my over-riding thought was that it didn't seem any more comfortable than the Madone.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 17 June, 2009, 09:27:20 am
Up again.  I think I've plateaud a bit :(

But it's been a stressful couple of weeks, and we've had folk in the house, so we've been eating differently.

If I can maintain 98-99kg for a bit, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 17 June, 2009, 10:59:28 am
Up again.  I think I've plateaud a bit :(

But it's been a stressful couple of weeks, and we've had folk in the house, so we've been eating differently.

If I can maintain 98-99kg for a bit, I'll be happy.
You've been under 100kg for 6 weeks straight :thumbsup:. It's not bad :-*.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 17 June, 2009, 08:03:24 pm
Got weighed at the Drs on monday 96kg :-[Been off track since febuary,due to personal problems.Been eating takeaways a lot,and cyclings down a bit too .Hopefully back on track now :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 24 June, 2009, 08:07:55 am
Arse. Weight up again just in time for a hilly audax  ::-).

It had better be leg muscle I've gained.

*checks size of belly*

Nope...  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 24 June, 2009, 09:05:30 am
Down a little bit more. Below 120kg, which is good for me  :thumbsup:

I'm seriously considering going in for TRAT next year, so I'm doing a month of proper training to see if it's just the "Wimbledon effect"* or if I am actually serious about it.

If I can keep up the training for a month, then I'll be going for it.

* Every year around this time when I was a kid I used to start playing tennis again. It would last a couple of weeks, but I wasn't that bothered about it. I'm a lot more interested in cycling than I am tennis, so I think I'll stick at this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 24 June, 2009, 03:57:14 pm
Just back from a docs appointment. I've lost 6kg since I last went (quite a few years ago). I'd forgotten I was ever that heavy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 24 June, 2009, 05:05:23 pm
9 kg down since January :D It's not going to win any awards, but it haasn't been too painful O:-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 June, 2009, 11:11:37 pm
So I am at my weight target. But I think I look flabby. So, what next?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 26 June, 2009, 11:15:17 pm
So I am at my weight target. But I think I look flabby. So, what next?


pump iron to tone up
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 June, 2009, 11:19:39 pm
So I am at my weight target. But I think I look flabby. So, what next?


pump iron to tone up

Probably too tedious. Going swimming, doing wing chun again, and maybe a little gym work, I could cope with.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 01 July, 2009, 08:09:07 am
I've had the same effect following last weekend's hilly 300 that I had after the 600; my weight has gone up, but the Tanita scales insist my BF% has gone down from 21% to 18%.

Given how sore my legs have been (improving now) this pretty much convinces me - my legs become infused with all manner of watery mixtures after a tough ride. Part of the healing process maybe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 01 July, 2009, 08:46:16 am
I've had the same effect following last weekend's hilly 300 that I had after the 600; my weight has gone up, but the Tanita scales insist my BF% has gone down from 21% to 18%.

Given how sore my legs have been (improving now) this pretty much convinces me - my legs become infused with all manner of watery mixtures after a tough ride. Part of the healing process maybe.
I tend not to weigh myself early in the week, especially after a high mileage weekend. Leave it until Wednesday or Thursday to let the body recover  somewhat. FWIW I am still around 71kg, been there for ages now, no amount of miles, chocolate or beer is changing things in the medium to long term and that is something I am pleased about.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 July, 2009, 02:58:24 pm
I 'm still yoyoing after having been off food & drink for my x-rays yesterday, getting dehydrated & v. hungry, then pigging out. :(

But, yes, it's up from last week (and where it was at the weekend, which had been more promising. *sigh*

I need to keep working at it, and trying to ride when I can...

Edit: Probably TMI, but I have shifted the Barium (it's alarmingly white - glad I was warned! :o ), and lost a lot of weight in the process ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 01 July, 2009, 03:27:38 pm
I seem to be fluctuating + or- 0.5 kg @ 91kg & suspect that no further significant reduction will occur without
a) a significant change to diet/quantity
b) a significant increase in excercise.

ATM I regard successfully giving up cigarettes coffin-nails as sufficient significance in recent times.

So for the foreseeable future I will remain a slightly fat cyclist.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 01 July, 2009, 04:41:57 pm
Post audax dip for a change, but probably more due to dehydration from the extra hour of 5-a-side I played last night in the heat. And only one pint in the pub afterwards.

Might even get down to that magic 76.2kg for LEL although it really doesn't matter much at all now. Fitness and miles in the legs are far more important (and all of that has gone ok).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Charlotte on 01 July, 2009, 04:45:43 pm
I put on four pounds during this year's TRAT.

It was Melbourne12's excellent cooking wot did for me  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 01 July, 2009, 04:50:26 pm
Might even get down to that magic 76.2kg for LEL although it really doesn't matter much at all now. Fitness and miles in the legs are far more important (and all of that has gone ok).
Best shoot me now...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 02 July, 2009, 05:53:12 pm
Hmm! bit of a tetchy subject really, innit! I've now BOUNCED on my goal of 89kg, WOW!  Bat ph'ardsd You say, but I feel I look Hollow. Did my bmi thing anits 25.1, still puts me as Phat. So new all singining and dancing whistles and bells new goal is 85KG! That makes me officially bi-afran but FIT! then I'll have a real top feed!   :thumbsup:   But WHY is it so important? 6 months ago I was perfectly 'appy being  phat. Then some thing happened, and I wantd to be less phat. Now I bl@@dy obsessed. Oh bugga, better get some more miles in, postmans obviously not bringing my new B17 special today then!  Stumpy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 July, 2009, 10:07:25 pm
So I went to the gym this evening and did a bit of work there.

I weighed myself in afterwards, at 70.8kg.

So I'm slightly less flabby, and the gym will help with that too.

Tomorrow is Kung Fu class in the evening.  That will also help with tone.

And Tour de Commute this morning, was my fastest ride to work on fixed, ever.  Despite it not being a tail wind this time, and some crawling along in a queue for a bit.  Maximum speed of about 44kph on the flat (overtaking a car between speed humps).

I think I might have a go at the local club 10 on Thursday.

It's all good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 13 July, 2009, 10:49:58 am
Interesting discovery this year:

Cycling several thousands of miles/year does this for my fatloss: 0.

Skate instruction, really low intensity, mostly testiculating with a little bit of skating around: Makes me lose weight faster than I can eat it back on again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 13 July, 2009, 10:56:21 am
Testiculating? :o

It's interesting though, it's mindnumbingly difficult to cycle at such a "slow" rate as to keep within the traditional "fat burning zones" where your body gets much more energy from burning fat and uses relatively little glycogen.

Imagine your body stores 2000kcal of energy in glycogen in the blood/liver.

If you go balls out on the bike for a few hours then you could use up 2000kcal with 90% coming from glycogen and only 10% from fat stores. After finishing you've got to eat to replace 1800kcal of glycogen.

Towards the other end of the spectrum, if you go out nice and steady for 8 hours or so then you could use up 2000kcal but with 90% of it coming from fat and only 200kcal of energy from glycogen. You the only have to eat to replace the 200kcal of glycogen.

In the middle of these the proportions change, but you should see the effects.

What you do eat afterwards is a separate matter, and related to hunger and your BMR but burning fat puts you in a better position that glycogen. It's too complex to consider without having a strictly kept food diary, I found it all too easy to kid myself about what I was eating.

I eat enough to keep my weight slightly edging downwards given all of the cycling I do. This means feeling hungry some times but it works. If I want to lose 1lb a week I can eat 500kcal a day less and, if I'm strict, that's what will happen. More often than not I'm not strict enough, and my weight stays about the same. I lost ~15kg the other year, purely from cycling but mainly from watching what I ate and not overeating to compensate for the increased exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 13 July, 2009, 11:21:02 am
(c) Adam Hart Davis IIRC.  Equals waving your arms around and talking boll0cks, i.e. a perhaps over-critical and sardonic view of my own teaching, LOL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 July, 2009, 12:54:59 pm
If you are consuming signficant amounts of booze thatt is not going to help. I think the fact I have been virtually TT for 9 years has helped me. Currently I am also tryingg to be very careful about fat input to see if that will help. On Sunday morning I was 70.5kg and i'm hoping that I can stay around that weight til LEL. Unfortunately it's beer and curry night tonight but as I am driving there will be no booze for me and I will try going sans starter to help keep the calories undress control.

The upper body flabbiness I described a few posts back is diminishing too which is good.

I have never bought into the fat burning zone btw. If I ride in the fat zone for an hour I burn maybe 300 kcals. If I ride in the aerobic zone I might burn 500. I will burn more fat in the latter case. As long as I don't consume extra fat as a result I can't lose.  If I consume extra 200kcsls of carbs then I lose the same weight as if I did the fat burning workout. But I get fat more training benefit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 13 July, 2009, 01:16:17 pm
I have never bought into the fat burning zone btw. If I ride in the fat zone for an hour I burn maybe 300 kcals. If I ride in the aerobic zone I might burn 500. I will burn more fat in the latter case.

I'd always assumed that not only wouldn't burn more fat at higher intensities (once over a certain maxium), but you'd also burn less fat anyway once over this threshold, which was the point of trying to remain in the fat burning zone.

It was more along the lines that there's a maximum amount of energy you can get from burning fat and that this is slightly less efficient than using glycogen directly and so, once over this maximum energy-from-fat value you're going to be burning less and less fat for more effort.

At the slower rate you'll burn 300kcal an hour. That could be 90% fat and 10% glycogen. So 270kcal of fat, 30kcal of glycogen.

As you go faster you can't burn more fat and, more importantly, as you body gets more energy from glycogen it can't burn as much fat. It may drop to a 50:50 split so only 250kcal from fat and 250kcal from glycogen. Faster than this and you'll get more energy from glycogen but, more importantly, less energy from fat.

At 800kcal an hour it might be down to 200kcal from fat and 600kcal from glycogen.

Again, that's just my understanding of it, and the figures are just random guesswork, but it reinforces the point of trying to stick within the fat burning zone. Anything over that is just burning extra glycogen that just needs replacing, but also burning less fat.

If your goal was purely fat loss then sticking within the fat burning zone is better than burning the same number of kcal in half the time at twice the rate. However, most people aren't looking at purely weight loss, they want to increase fitness/power/stamina/speed and do something other than bimbling along the road a painfully slow pace. So by sacrificing ~20% of fat burning power you can make your training much more interesting and enjoyable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 13 July, 2009, 01:27:05 pm
Fat burning in the zone worked for me when I had to shed about 20kg last year. Painlessly. On a stationary bike in the gym with TVs to watch and ladies.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 July, 2009, 02:26:12 pm
The peak fat burning occurs at 62% of maximum aerobic intensity (see Myths Under the Microscope Part 1: The Low Intensity Fat Burning Zone - AlanAragon.com  -  Fitness Based on Science & Experience (http://www.alanaragon.com/myths-under-the-microscope-the-fat-burning-zone-fasted-cardio.html) ).  For me this would be around 144 watts or 518kcals/hour.  My example power output of 500kcals/hour was picked out of the air but it's close to the theoretical value (note that I guesstimated my lactate threshold to be around 200W - it might be higher as I maintained 198W for an hour on the MSG 300).

Hence in Greenbank's original example the low intensity 250kcal/hr burns less fat than the higher intensity 500kcal/hr.  It's only above this level that fat burning starts to drop.

Also note later in the article the stuff about long-term weight change.  Sustained high intensity and HIIT both beat the fat burning zone for long-term results.


Note: corrected 200 to 250kcal/hr.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 13 July, 2009, 05:09:47 pm
Interesting, ta for that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 13 July, 2009, 07:03:50 pm
I'm also with SimonP's stance on the "fat burning zone", but perhaps I'm having to rethink my attitude on it given the results of my own experience.

Two things that might indicate that Simon is right, but not in my circumstances, are that my teaching is of such length that I'm burning loads of calories, albeit at a slower rate, and that teaching does an excellent job of supressing appetite.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 July, 2009, 11:44:52 pm
I just take the simple view that if calories in is less than calories consumed then you are going to lose weight.  I don't believe it matters very much but if you work harder you burn more calories in less time, and you don't need to work at low intensity to burn fat.

Mikey: I'm not sure what you're getting at, but your exercise is long duration if you are teaching all day.  In long duration the percentage that comes from fat increases markedly.

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Alternative research has suggested that when you cycle, swim, row or run at a modest intensity of only 50% VO2max (about 69% MHR), fat provides about 50% of the calories you need to keep going for the first hour or so. If you keep going after that, fat becomes even more generous, providing around 70% of the total energy after two hours and 80% or more if your work duration exceeds three hours. If you increase the intensity then the Fat contribution decreases - at 75% VO2max fat provides 33% of the energy.

From Fat Burning Zone - the exercise intensity which evokes the highest rate of fat oxidation (http://www.brianmac.co.uk/fatburn.htm)

Further down the same page:

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A moderately fit athlete exercising at 50% VO2max generally consumes about 220 Calories during a 30 minute workout. If the same athlete works out at 75% VO2max, 330 Calories are burned during the same period. Of course, 50% of 220 Calories and 33% of 330 Calories yield an identical number of calories coming from fat - 110 Calories.

There's a piece missing here, though, which is what happens in the long duration case for the 75% VO2max guy.  Can he get more calories from fat once he's been going for a while?

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 23 July, 2009, 09:13:43 am
Crikey, it's tough when you're not riding.  After last week's rise almost back to 100kg, I am this week down to my lightest yet - 98kg! :o

I don't think I've been this, er, 'light' since about 2000, when I was riding regularly, and worked in a manual job. :thumbsup:

More to go, though.  I still want to reach that 95kg second target.  It's not very ambitious, but I need to get away from bumping along this plateau and make sure I am losing weight more consistently :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 23 July, 2009, 09:22:29 am
I am still around 70kg, was 69 once a couple of weeks ago, 71 yesterday. It's OK. Still getting thinner though and wider chest and shoulders, my upper arms are staring to rub the sides of my chest like my power lifting mate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 23 July, 2009, 10:18:38 am
Well finally decided I had to do something about my weight - which was 106kg  :o

So, started cycling again (I'd been off the bike for nearly 2 years for various reasons) about 6 weeks ago. Now riding 2-3 20 milers at weekends, 3-4 12 milers after work.

Also cut down on my "downfall" foods: carbohydrates (oh I do love mash with my salads, and fried mash with the next days salad!) of most types - potatoes, bread (no more sandwiches for lunch at work), rice, crisps,   and I've reduced fat intake (mayo!), and started to have fruit for lunch.

Progress has been good so far - now 98kg and falling.

Just got to keep it up. Ideal target 80kg. We'll see.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 29 July, 2009, 07:21:25 am
I've managed to lose 10kg since January. Which is pretty good, but if I carry on at this rate I'm not going to reach my goal at all.

Must stick to my "no snacking" rule. I've been a bit lack with it, but doing well this last week and a half. It helps to have a definate time based goal. If I don't have something like "If I eat this, I'm not going to be able to do x", then I'll find an excuse to eat that chocolate bar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 03 August, 2009, 03:07:42 pm
I know looking at daily weigh-ins is meaningless but...

79.1kg Saturday morning before LEL.
78.2kg Friday morning after LEL.
77.8kg Saturday morning after LEL.
77.2kg Sunday morning after LEL.
76.8kg Monday morning after LEL.

My Wednesday weigh in will be interesting, I'll be mildly chuffed if I can get under 76.2kg (12 stone) as this represents the entirely artificial boundary between "overweight" and "normal" as far as BMI is concerned.

(Note that I don't really care about being "overweight" according to BMI as I'm a reasonably stocky build.)

No huge appetite after LEL either. Back to normal 500kcal daily deficit eating habits.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on 03 August, 2009, 03:13:19 pm
I am still around 70kg, was 69 once a couple of weeks ago, 71 yesterday. It's OK. Still getting thinner though and wider chest and shoulders, my upper arms are staring to rub the sides of my chest like my power lifting mate.

Your power lifting mate rubs the sides of your chest?

I'd watch out for him dropping the soap in the communual showers and asking you to pick it up for him.

 :o

Think on.

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 03 August, 2009, 03:30:17 pm
It's OK H, the showers have soap dispensers on the wall, no need to bend over !! We go to different gyms anyway, his is much more serious than mine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 04 August, 2009, 03:14:05 pm
72kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 04 August, 2009, 05:29:43 pm
still coming off! 100kg down to 87kg now, none of my clothes fit any more and people laugh at me! Still want to reach 85kg. Didnt ride at all last week, felt drained, 12hrs sleep every night, fell asleep in the afternoon and eve as well! Ok now, got the old Orange P7 out, and thats fun! I dont remeber being this slim/fit ever. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 August, 2009, 06:13:27 pm
Post lel. Was 70kg yesterday. Jeans were at risk of falling down (32" waist I think). Bought new underwear in small. Bit loose.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on 05 August, 2009, 08:02:58 am
No idea what my weight was while I was in Aus, but I was definitely at least the same sort of size as last year, and possibly a little skinnier (after the 7 wks of touring!). 

6 weeks sitting on ships & trains with no exercise and a fair amount of (unhealthy) food has been Unhelpful.  Currently at 11st1 (normal range last year was 10st10-10st12, dipping below 10st10 when doing lots of audaxing).  I don't hold with dieting: it's coming off gradually (was 11st2-3 a month ago) as I start doing stuff again. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 05 August, 2009, 08:49:09 am
76.6kg, lowest in a long time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 05 August, 2009, 08:53:39 am
Bah.

I've been quite good, avoiding snacks and reducing the size of my meals, and I've put a kg back on.  >:(

Quite pissed off. It seems never ending.

Although one of the sales people asked where the rest of me had gone yesterday, so it's having some effect. I just can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on 05 August, 2009, 09:05:56 am
Hulver: is that daily weighing (which can be v misleading) or a weekly average or something?  Also, if you're exercising at the same time, you can put muscle-weight on (which is broadly speaking a good thing :) ).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 August, 2009, 09:09:43 am
Hah.  I've put on post-LEL weight now and am starting to feel flabby again!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 05 August, 2009, 10:02:36 am
Hulver: is that daily weighing (which can be v misleading) or a weekly average or something?  Also, if you're exercising at the same time, you can put muscle-weight on (which is broadly speaking a good thing :) ).

I do weigh myself daily, so I can get a rough idea of the average. It's been the same since the weekend.

Perhaps I should throw the scales away and use a tape measure or something.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 August, 2009, 07:44:29 pm
Hah.  I've put on post-LEL weight now and am starting to feel flabby again!


Correction.  69.3kg.

I've changed shape!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 05 August, 2009, 07:55:43 pm
I'm back on the weight-loss wagon again.  Things took a downturn around the end of April, stopped logging my weight and started doing things which made me flabby again.  :'(

I'm nearly back to my post Xmas weight but increasing efforts to hit my target by the end of the year.  (The target being one I wanted to hit last month...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 August, 2009, 09:24:53 am
68.0 kg

OK I can stop now.  Please?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on 06 August, 2009, 09:53:07 am
I do weigh myself daily, so I can get a rough idea of the average. It's been the same since the weekend.

Perhaps I should throw the scales away and use a tape measure or something.

Using both can (IME) be useful. 

In general, it's a good idea to focus more on fitness than on weight per se.  (And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)  If you're getting fitter (riding further/faster/easier, doing better at whatever non-cycling-sport you're doing, less out of breath when you climb stairs, whatever metric you like), then don't get fixated on the number on the scales.  It's *far* more important for your health to be fit & active than it is to be a certain weight (and indeed there's evidence that dieting for weight can actually be bad for your health). 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 06 August, 2009, 09:57:15 am
I agree with Juliet, so does my doctor. Getting obsessed about weight can lead to psychological problems.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 06 August, 2009, 10:18:45 am
(And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)

BMI is the same as weight, unless you are regularly changing height.

BMI = weight_in_kg / height_in_m2

Since your height remains constant1 BMI is effectively just your weight divided by a constant. If anything it's less useful than the raw weight figure itself.

1. Yes yes, you do get shorter as you get older, or you may have an odd growth spurt, but people generally know how tall they are and use the same figure in the BMI calculation every time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 06 August, 2009, 11:07:03 am
I've changed shape!

Same here. Mrs G said I was visibly slimmer when I got back from LEL. My trousers are also noticeably looser around my waist. My thighs and arms seem to be thinning down too.

Access card has stopped working on the door to the work Gym, just as I was considering starting using the treadmill at lunchtimes again. The person I need to talk to to get access back (need to pay another 12 quid for the year) is on holiday for most of August. Hopefully I can sort something out...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on 06 August, 2009, 11:09:31 am
(And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)

BMI is the same as weight, unless you are regularly changing height.


Yes, sorry: I was thinking about the number-as-guide rather than the watching-the-change thing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 06 August, 2009, 11:11:57 am
A very acceptable 84.5 kg today :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 06 August, 2009, 03:50:00 pm

Using both can (IME) be useful. 

In general, it's a good idea to focus more on fitness than on weight per se.  (And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)  If you're getting fitter (riding further/faster/easier, doing better at whatever non-cycling-sport you're doing, less out of breath when you climb stairs, whatever metric you like), then don't get fixated on the number on the scales.  It's *far* more important for your health to be fit & active than it is to be a certain weight (and indeed there's evidence that dieting for weight can actually be bad for your health). 

I'm happy with my overall fitness. Of course I want to get better, but I can do a 100km bike ride and not be dead by the end of it.

I've got two reasons for wanting to lose weight. I'll look and feel better, and I'll be quicker on the bike.

I'm fed up of carting an extra 6 stone around, it slows me down. I'd quite like to not get dropped as soon as there's an incline.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 August, 2009, 11:12:57 am
67.3kg!

I was happy with 69kg.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 August, 2009, 11:23:17 am
67.3kg!

I was happy with 69kg.  ::-)


Erm... I'd start to be concerned if I lost nigh on 3Kg in a week - esp if I were as lean as you. Are you feeling ok?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 August, 2009, 11:58:02 am
67.3kg!

I was happy with 69kg.  ::-)


Erm... I'd start to be concerned if I lost nigh on 3Kg in a week - esp if I were as lean as you. Are you feeling ok?

Well, unsurprisingly I've had a bit of low energy this week.  But energy levels were more normal on the ride to work this morning, once I got going, and particularly once I yelled at a driver. :)

I've not eaten enough the past few days.  It'll pass, it always does.  I can't forget to eat properly for too long before my body's defence mechanisms kick in and make me eat properly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 07 August, 2009, 11:59:46 am
Sounds to me like you are not recovered after LEL. Take some time off do nothing but eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: scottlington on 07 August, 2009, 02:35:44 pm
I've lost almost 1/2 a stone since the start of LEL (vast majority of that since the end). Every day so far, I have been around 1/2 pound lighter and it continues to drop off me. Due to knee problems I have done next to no exercise since LEL and have, if I'm honest, been eating rather....well.

Not dehydrated (I always drink at least 2 litre bottle of water a day). Not sure what is happening.....

I know metabolic rates can be increased for a while after big bouts of exercise but this is summink else!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 07 August, 2009, 02:52:54 pm
As I posted earlier:-

79.1kg Saturday morning before LEL.
78.2kg Friday morning after LEL.
77.8kg Saturday morning after LEL.
77.2kg Sunday morning after LEL.
76.8kg Monday morning after LEL.
76.6kg Wednesday morning after LEL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 08 August, 2009, 10:03:08 am
My weight has largely stayed the same after LEL, went up a kilo then dropped back to 71kg. Done no cycling, not much exercise at all other than walking to the bus stop, some yoga, warm up on the treadmill and some core exercises. It's OK, it's time for recovery and recuperation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 August, 2009, 12:12:04 am
I've been cycling every day since Monday.

69kg now - putting some of the weight loss from midweek back on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 12 August, 2009, 10:46:46 am
Oh bugger!  Back over 100kg for the first time in months.  OK, so I haven't been eating very carefully, but I've not been overdoing it massively.  And I've been riding every day, including the weekend.

Arse. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 August, 2009, 11:21:20 am
Hmm... still winning prizes for maintenance - that's essentially the same weight since 11th Feb!

This is not the point of the exercise - maintenance should come after loss...  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 August, 2009, 11:25:19 am
69kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bigsybaby on 12 August, 2009, 01:58:50 pm
Four years ago my doctor told me that I was six stone over weight and that I had borderline high blood pressure. I chewed this over or six months and realised that I needed to change my lifestyle. I recalled my youth when I was a fit wirely character mainly due to the amount of cycling I did. So I decided to take up cycling.
I started one spring weighing 115kg and by the end of the summer I had taken off 12kg. Unfortunately over time I put all that weight back on regardless of how much cycling I was doing. So December 2008 I decided to join  the local gym to supplement my excercise particularly the upper body which was not getting so much excercise from cycling.
As part of the joining arrangement I was entitled to a free health check which I took advantage of. The outcome was that the gym could not allow me to work out there without a letter from my doctor as I had high blood pressure of 115 over 110.
My doctor sent me to he hospital for blood tests and everything was OK in that respect as was the ECG I had back at the surgery. He wrote a letter to the gym advising them I could do excercise progressively.
I now started at the gym and a personal trainer contacted me from there and offered a free session which I took advantage of and considering my weight and high blood pressure realised I needed help so I took him on.
From December my high blood pressue went in four weeks and by May I had lost 23 kg. There was no secret to my success but there were a lot of things I dd not realise.
The reason I put the weight back on was because my body had adapted to the shock of cycling. Therefore my excercises in the gym are changed every three weeks to reintroduce shock. I was an irregular eater and now eat every three hours to keep my metabolism higher. I changed my diet mainly to steamed fish/chicken and vegetables. I have cut down on wine binging at the weekend.
The excercises I am doing now are of a maintnance style as it does not conflict with the cycle events I am taking part in at the moment. Come the Autumn we will resume the endurance and conditioning excercises and hopefully lose some more wieight.
I have been told and I am not sure whether this is purely motivational that what I can achieve in the gym most twenty year olds cant do and I am fifty one. This is mainly due to cycling as it has increased my lung capacity, endurance and recovery rate. We do not do any CV work as there is nothing in the gym that can match what I do by cycling.
Seven months after I started my campaign I completed my first SR.
I would finally like to say I cannot recommend this to anyone but it works for me and it is not too late to start.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 19 August, 2009, 10:10:11 am
Gah!  I've stopped the rise, but I'm still over that cursed 100kg point.  I've only been riding once (and then briefly) since friday, but we've a week of touring coming up, so I hope that'll be better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 19 August, 2009, 01:05:03 pm
Hmmm, only a nett loss of 1kg in the last 3 weeks, a bit of a plateau. Still I'll keep at it. And make more effort to reduce alcohol to 2 bottles a week.  Still going to enjoy the odd bit of gorganzola or provolone picante though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 26 August, 2009, 11:08:47 am
A bit better, andother 1kg in the last week, now 96kg... and falling. Slow and steady is the way I guess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 September, 2009, 09:23:58 am
I was dreading weigh in day, after choffing chocolate, cake & too many cafe breakfasts last week, added to not being near the scales last wednesday.

But I've lost 2.4kg in the last fortnight - I'm back down to my lightest this year - or this decade (maybe last, too :-[ ).  I need to keep going (and keep riding).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 02 September, 2009, 11:31:03 am
Not weighed myself for a while, as I was concentrating too much on the weight and not enough on the fitness.

I got on the Wii Fit a couple of weeks ago, and it made a serious face and asked me if I was losing weight too quickly.

I really should weigh myself again, I certainly feel better now, and I need to buy a new belt as this one is too large.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 09 September, 2009, 10:38:32 am
Wahey!  I've lost some more :o

I suspect I may actually be a shade lighter than what I posted, but I couldn't remember the exact figure, so I erred on the side of caution.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 23 September, 2009, 09:15:17 am
Four weeks of progress is good :)

Depressed though I was to see photos of myself at the camping weekend looking as big as ever, I think a lot of it's just loose flab now.  It'll take a while to go.

But I am down to 96.2kg now - probably lost a kilo this week, which is encouraging.  Just got to keep being sensible and riding.

1.2kg to go to target - it's getting within sight. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 23 September, 2009, 09:24:48 am
 :thumbsup:
You are nearly a stone lighter than me then.
I keep meaning to try and get under 100kg myself, not got there yet.
Must try harder  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 23 September, 2009, 09:40:34 am
Note for those surprised by the preceding bit of information: Rich is taller than me. ;D

But keep at it, mate :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 23 September, 2009, 01:08:43 pm
Only 1kg off in the last month  :-\ and I've not been pigging out nor being slothful  :(  Hey ho, must try even harder. Turbo time soon, so plenty of level 1 and 2 sessions.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 24 September, 2009, 08:56:58 am
Back to 65.2 :). The 'substituting chocolate with cake' diet seems to be working :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 24 September, 2009, 09:12:03 am
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D :-*

More successful than my erstwhile supplementing chocolate with cake diet, then? ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 01 October, 2009, 11:56:10 am
Cutting back slightly on food intake. Proper hunger pains for over an hour so far. 5 minutes until I attack the chicken tikka bagutte that's been on my desk for what seems like an eternity...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 October, 2009, 12:03:11 pm
Good luck with that.  I'm getting stuck into some major pieces of work, which always makes me want to eat as I think.  :-[

This week, my weight has gone back up a bit :(  But only a bit, and I think I can get back on top of it :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 01 October, 2009, 01:29:32 pm
Currently I am on 82.7kg

I'm not sure how as I have spent the last week eating biscuits and drinking beer

Anyway, it's the Dartmoor Devil at the end of the month so I aim to loose as much weight as possible by then.  I guess the aim is 80 point something kg

It's on the 25th of October and the reason for loosing a little weight is  the 2500m of climbing

Oct 25 - Bovey Tracey 106 - (AAA 2.5)  (http://www.aukweb.net/cal/calsolo.php?Ride=09-674)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marco Stefano on 02 October, 2009, 07:58:17 pm
Depressed though I was to see photos of myself at the camping weekend looking as big as ever, I think a lot of it's just loose flab now.  It'll take a while to go.

After 3 weeks of near daily cycling on holiday in France and feeling great, I too was horrified at what I looked like in a pair of swimming trunks when i saw the  holiday snaps. My apologies to other bathers...

2 months after starting the holiday, I have lost a stone, and my wife has lost 5 lbs. I'm now an indoor rowing lightweight (some might say in many senses...) at 75kg.  :thumbsup: Muscles are appearing from under wraps...

Previously, if we ate before 6:30 I was usually hungry before bedtime, and partial to a glass of milk and a couple of digestive biscuits. I reckon that's at least 300kcal. We don't buy biscuits for us anymore (children have some in containers in their rooms; if they eat them all in a day, they won't get any more for a couple of weeks, and they seem to manage them well. They exercise a lot, rugby & BMX, and look well so no worries there).

We decided to eat no more after an evening meal, and drink non-caffeinated teas (redbush, peppermint, camomile, etc.) to fill up on, going to bed feeling slightly peckish and waking up ravenous. Lunch is frequently Waitrose Essentials fruit muesli; recommended, packed with fruit and very filling. This even works to easily fuel 20mile-each-way commuting some days. Also helping is the fact that I find cycling an amazing laxative... :hand:  ;D

So, just cutting out our unnecessary eating (plus 6 hours cycle commuting a week for me) has made a huge difference. I'm aiming  for under 72kg; we'll see.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 07 October, 2009, 02:23:20 pm
63.4 today. That's the lightest this year and 2kgs down from last week. It may be an aberation so I'm going to try to be careful for a couple of weeks to see if I can keep it down.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 07 October, 2009, 02:28:11 pm
And hurrah for Clarion also being the lightest this year. I think my being too tired to cook for a couple of weeks is paying off ;D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 07 October, 2009, 02:31:24 pm
Maybe, though that normally means an increase in chocolate & cake consumption. ;)

I think you're doing really well :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 14 October, 2009, 02:34:22 pm
Packed lunch instead of a baguette/sandwich from the canteen. Not much faff at all (with a backup of a local Sainsbury's if I forget to bring in food). Considerably cheaper too (I was spending £10 a day on food and a couple of coffees, that now covers 5 days).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Zoidburg on 14 October, 2009, 04:19:15 pm
I think I have dropped about half a stone.

I actually want to put this back on as I think I have lost a bit of of muscle mass from my upper body since finishing my last job.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 October, 2009, 06:33:48 pm
Try the 100 pushups if not already doing so.

I'm putting on weight.  No cycling, but am swimming and doing the pushups and situps progs.  And up to 700 chain punches to follow.

Upper body muscle mass has increased.  That's my excuse for 74kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Zoidburg on 14 October, 2009, 06:37:08 pm
Already as bulky as I would be doing that, I used to work for building supply place, much throwing about of heavy stuff, I am already above 72kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 15 October, 2009, 01:20:31 pm
Now 94kg and still (ever so slowly) decreasing. Have cut out the "low fat" choccy bars (they were still 200 calories each) at work, fruit for lunch mainly. Ccyling has dropped off a cliff with dark evenings, and I've yet to fully embrace the turbo, but that'll come. But then on 1st June I was 105kg so still pleased overall.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 15 October, 2009, 01:37:32 pm
Same weight as myself.Very little cycling done recently(too much work & yoo much lazy) & too many cakes & biscuits.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 16 October, 2009, 10:40:38 pm
Up to 75kg after little exercise in the last 6 weeks and too much America. SUPERSIZE ME.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 16 October, 2009, 10:54:52 pm
I started this in April 2009 and then totally flopped out of it. Excuses are to do with health and medical issuea for me and other family members.
Tonight, 16th October 2009, I have just pushed TWO large Pizzas down my throat as a "Final curtain call" for the excesses.
I weigh the same as I did in April, 125kg, and I have the target of losing 5kg before 2010 and that has to include any festivities in December!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 21 October, 2009, 11:48:58 am
I'm getting closer!  Lighter than I've ever been.  Hoping to maintain progress :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 21 October, 2009, 12:41:21 pm
I put back on in a month, all the weight I've lost this year.

 :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ScumOfTheRoad on 21 October, 2009, 12:55:58 pm
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 21 October, 2009, 01:02:58 pm
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.

Pasties make an ideal pie substitute.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 21 October, 2009, 01:05:51 pm
Pasties make an ideal pie substitute.

Indeed. I seem to be shovelling one in as I type.

This is probably why I have been stuck at x+5kg for the past 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 October, 2009, 01:29:29 pm
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.

I hope you corrected his grammar.  :P

Welcome on board.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 21 October, 2009, 01:48:00 pm
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.

Pasties make an ideal pie substitute.

Or samosas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ScumOfTheRoad on 21 October, 2009, 02:32:24 pm
To be honest, my doctor's grammat was faultless, I paraphrased his instructions.
Looks like I have a pre-diabetic condition - ie. I'm not utilising all the sugar in the bloodstream, which will eventaully lead to diabetes, unless I cut down on the pies.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 21 October, 2009, 03:13:08 pm
unless I cut down on the pies.

If you cut them in two you can eat twice as many.

</Majorie Dawes>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marco Stefano on 25 October, 2009, 10:52:49 am
Weighed myself this morning... Bloody hell!   :o

Down to 11st 7lbs, 73-74kg! 20+lbs lost since the start of August.  :thumbsup:

All through the 'get thee behind me, Satan's biscuits' plan.


I'm off to make a banana & walnut cake to celebrate...   ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 October, 2009, 10:54:18 am
Really well done, Marco! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 25 October, 2009, 11:05:05 am
I am still dropping weight, slowly but surely.  My body fat has dropped a lot.  I am also feel a lot fitter and my base is quite strong.  I am back into my sit up and push up routine on weekday mornings too.  The downside is I feel the cold more now.  I have noticed a side effect if my sugars go too high is that my metabolism goes into overdrive and this drives up my core temperature.  So if I am being good and not eating too many sugars my metabolism just ticks along and I have to be really careful about keeping warm.
I particularly suffered on the recent FNRTTS due to being cold because my HR was dropping down towards 52% of max.  That is not enough to keep me warm when it is cold outside.

I am not losing that much weight, down to 84 kg now but I have noticed big differences in body shape, particularly around the stomach, which was my area of concern.  My love handles have nearly gone now  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 October, 2009, 11:28:48 am
Oh bugger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on 28 October, 2009, 11:58:17 am
I gave up with the scales & regular weight watching a while ago.Too a large extent I have also ceased to be mindfull of the quantities of naughty-but-nice stuff I eat.
I was suprised to see that I have lost 2.5 kg when I weighed myself this morning compared to the last time I stood on the scales approximately 6 weeks ago.
 I think I know why this has occurred;it is work related; but it is a method that I would not recommend or wish to repeat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 04 November, 2009, 10:44:32 am
We've eaten out rather more than advisable over the last couple of weeks. This hasn't helped :-[. Going to my favourite restaurant (cafe sol in Clapham) last night definitely didn't help :P. Good though ;D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 November, 2009, 10:46:04 am
Yes.   I rather think the absence of cycling from my schedule has been a significant factor in my increased lardiness :( :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 04 November, 2009, 04:09:46 pm
Yes.   I rather think the absence of cycling from my schedule has been a significant factor in my increased lardiness :( :-[

Dropping food intake to take into account the lack of calorie expenditure is hard work. I feel noticeably hungrier earlier if I haven't cycled and therefore haven't earned my extra bit of food at lunch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 November, 2009, 04:14:46 pm
Yes.  And my digestion suffers.  I get more reflux if I've not been riding.  And then I eat honey butties at bedtime to help stave that off, which all adds up :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 November, 2009, 09:43:29 pm
I'm not losing weight. But I think I'm gaining muscle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 11 November, 2009, 08:57:05 am
Well, the plus side of being out of action with toothache and attendant issues is that I have lost 2kg since Friday (1kg since last week).  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 November, 2009, 09:41:27 am
I dreaded stepping on the scales, cause I've been feeling lardy, and I know I've eaten more crisps, chocolate etc than might be advisable.  But, on the other hand, we've eaten pretty well, and at home, so there's more control.  And I expect Monday's toilet 'issues' may have helped.

Nonetheless, I have dropped to 96.6, which is still a way off my target for the year, but definitely the right direction, and I need to keep focussed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 November, 2009, 02:21:09 pm
This morning: 73.7kg. Lowest in a month or two.  Calorie counting FTW.

Might have to up my calorie budget soon. Or at least eat enough to fully compensate for all the exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 25 November, 2009, 04:29:35 pm
Checking in  for the first time for a while.
85.9 this morning. Big Yay to calorie counting and ridiculous amounts of exercise. That figure will be a temporary low but should get me in good stead for a solid sub 85 by christmas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 December, 2009, 01:48:43 pm
Back down to 96kg.  6kg down on the start, but still 1kg short of my goal and *gulp* Christmas coming up :-\

This morning, we have had patients coming in with boxes of chocolate, and a GP dropped a heap of Roses chocs on my desk.. *whimper*  Thank heavens there were so many brazil nuts among them, but it's not an easy time.

I know I've managed to lose 10kg in a year before, then plateaued for a bit before this year's loss.  I'm hoping to keep heading in the right direction, but the flesh is very weak :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 02 December, 2009, 02:01:02 pm
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 02 December, 2009, 02:03:34 pm
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking

Me too! In my case, probably because I'm best at losing weight when I stop drinking boozahol too  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 02 December, 2009, 02:04:18 pm
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking
Me too. I found it much easier to not buy cigarettes than chocolate. Partly because you have to ask for them I think. Maybe they should have all the sweets in a cabinet behind the till? :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 02 December, 2009, 02:22:09 pm
The absence of nicotene & all the other sh6t in coffin nails allowed me to actually taste the stuff I am eating & some of it is reeeeealy nice,particularly the fattening things like crisps,choccy biscuits,vanilla slices,butter( no buts';it's got to be butter).In addition my preferences  have changed.I like meat less & prefer fish,pasta,fruit & nuts all of which I disliked when smoking.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 02 December, 2009, 02:24:19 pm
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking

Of course it's harder.
You can't all-or-nothing with food.

I appear to be aiming for 'all'
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 02 December, 2009, 02:37:05 pm
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking

Of course it's harder.
You can't all-or-nothing with food.

I appear to be aiming for 'all'


I mean harder in that the will power to avoid Nick O'teen & his confederates is easier to find than the mental discipline needed to control my diet & the quantity of it :-[ I too seem to have only two settings:starve or glutton.The latter is the default setting ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 December, 2009, 07:03:38 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 02 December, 2009, 08:11:14 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.


What is your Body Fat %?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 December, 2009, 08:30:35 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.


What is your Body Fat %?

The scales say it is around 18%.

It was as low as 15% immediately after LEL, when I was 6kg lighter than today.

If you set 'athlete' mode then it takes 3-4% off.  That may be more realistic, I'm not sure.

I am having this checked properly on Friday as part of my fitness test - will be interesting to see how it compares.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 December, 2009, 08:31:19 pm
PS my BMI is 22.  Slightly above middle of the normal range.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 December, 2009, 05:25:25 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.


What is your Body Fat %?

The scales say it is around 18%.


Which is what was reported from Friday's test (calipers).

 :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 08 December, 2009, 05:36:17 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.


What is your Body Fat %?

The scales say it is around 18%.


Which is what was reported from Friday's test (calipers).

 :-\


Why the sad face? What do you want your BF% to be?

According to the Tanita Lying Machine, my BF is 22%. But you can see my lard - I have a wobbly gut; you must be hiding yours somewhere...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 December, 2009, 06:09:49 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.


What is your Body Fat %?

The scales say it is around 18%.


Which is what was reported from Friday's test (calipers).

 :-\


Why the sad face? What do you want your BF% to be?

According to the Tanita Lying Machine, my BF is 22%. But you can see my lard - I have a wobbly gut; you must be hiding yours somewhere...

Sub 15%.

Quote
The Frontal
Surface Area (FSA) is an estimation of the degree to which your body shape effects wind
resistance. The greater the calculated value the greater the wind resistance. For you this
equates to 0.42m2 which compares poorly to elite road cyclists who score 0.32m2. A key
factor in this analysis is the percentage body fat with elite males having an average value
of 11.0%, although this has been shown to increase to around 13.4% during the off
season. Your score is currently 18.0% which is higher than would be expected for a road
cyclist.

When I'm properly fit it's more like 15%.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 09 December, 2009, 09:07:50 am
Well, although my weight is still pretty static, as told by the scales, this last week has been very different in "feel". I'm keeping a food diary, and am using the Livestrong "My Plate" app to manage a 1.5lb per week deficit. Last week I was 88.7Kg, this week 88.0 which is pretty much bang on target.

Let's see if this is a fluke (helped by an audax last Saturday) or whether the Livestrong app really is having the desired effect.

BTW - I'm pretty sure I am doing this right, because I'm hungry much more often than before.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 09 December, 2009, 10:10:00 am
Well, I'm down to 95.4kg - within 400g (less than a pound) of my second target.  And, while Christmas is in the way, there are three more weighing days this year.

I still feel rather flabby, but I think I can see a difference.  :)

Oh - and I just plugged the figures into an Excel spreadsheet to give me a chart.  It has a few ascents, but generally the downward trend is very strong :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 December, 2009, 12:15:16 pm
I can't get below 73kg at the moment.  Bounced back up to 73.7 this morning (thought I could have a chinese takeaway and get away with it based on the calorie burn on the rowing machine, but that was wrong).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 09 December, 2009, 12:21:46 pm
I've found the secret - get the 'flu I've got.  I'm down a ½ stone in a week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 December, 2009, 12:37:08 pm
I've found the secret - get the 'flu I've got.  I'm down a ½ stone in a week.

I'll be round in a jiffy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 09 December, 2009, 03:22:04 pm
I've found the secret - get the 'flu I've got.  I'm down a ½ stone in a week.

I'll be round in a jiffy.

You've pulled Reg,you smooth talking coughing  :demon:
 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on 12 December, 2009, 06:01:33 pm
I hope this is ok, here is a link to my weight loss bloggy thing http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/ (http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/) as you can see I have lost quite a bit and I put it nearly all down to cycling which seems to have become a bit of an obsession now :) only 3.5 lb to go to get to my weight watchers goal weight but I do intend to lose another 7 lb after that then I hope to start to level out at around 12.7 - 13.00 stone.

Any one else do weight watchers ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 12 December, 2009, 06:16:44 pm
I hope this is ok, here is a link to my weight loss bloggy thing http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/ (http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/)

Impressive. Well done  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2009, 11:44:11 pm
Broke the 73kg barrier again this morning.

Here's the thing.  If I am 18% body fat and I want to get to an athletic 11% then I need to get my weight down to 68kg (assuming I lose only fat).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 December, 2009, 11:47:29 am
Happyhappyhappy!

I had two aims for the year: 100kg & 95kg.  I reached the first in April, but blipped back over.  I've now been below that since September :D  The second has seemed at times impossibly difficult, but I finally done it! :D

Now, next year, I'm after 90kg ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 16 December, 2009, 11:56:48 am
Well done Clarion!  I would like to suggest you set your goal for next year for 85kg.  You can do more than you think you can with the very impressive work this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 December, 2009, 12:03:30 pm
When I started cycling again, I was about 115kg.  So it's all possible, and I pick up that challenge.  I'll have two targets again next year, then: 90kg first, and 85kg if I can get it together :)

I believe that, at 183cm, 85kg is still overweight :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 16 December, 2009, 12:05:06 pm
I believe that, at 183cm, 85kg is still overweight :(

 :hand: Uh uh, no negative thoughts please.  Look at your excellent progress!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 December, 2009, 12:09:30 pm
Close, though.  My current BMI (and, yes, I know the issues with that) is about 28, and 85kg would bring me down to about 26, which is only slightly overweight.  I should, in the longer term, be aiming at 80kg.  But I don't expect to get there overnight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 December, 2009, 03:29:09 pm
I'm back on track, and within a smidge of my original target weight of 72kg (72.5kg this morning, despite 3 days in a row of over indulgence).

Body fat is still too high though.  But it's coming down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 December, 2009, 02:11:11 pm
Steady progress.  72.4kg this morning.

I'm starving!

 ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 21 December, 2009, 04:12:43 pm
Because I am holiday for Xmas I have decided to extend the same consideration to the bathroom scales & PIG OUT FOR TWO WEEKS. :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 22 December, 2009, 12:35:44 pm
Well, you all sound like right skinny billys to me! 

Well done to all who have reached their targets.  Hopefully once the ice goea and I finally dare to get out on the new bike I will find it such a pleasant experience compared with old faithful that I shall be covering the miles in abundance and join you all in wasting away :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 22 December, 2009, 12:43:56 pm
I was making progress thanks to the Livestrong app and some daily exercising.

Unfortunately, a large black cloud of SAD has descended upon me, which has removed any motivation to do anything except eat doughnuts, mince pies and rice pudding, and sleep in front of the fire.

I can't go out for a ride because we are snowbound, and I find walking dull.

In fact, I find everything dull at the moment. Just call me Marvin.

* sob *
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 22 December, 2009, 12:54:42 pm
:(  Not so good.  But do you have a brain the size of a planet?

I really miss the gym that they shut down nearby - it was such a part of my routine that I did loads of exercise without really thinking about it.  And it really had an impact, physically and mentally, when i stopped. 

Here's hoping that the  snow melts and the sun comes out round your way soon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 December, 2009, 12:59:41 pm
I am 72.1kg now.  3kg lighter than the same time last year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 23 December, 2009, 10:09:46 am
Oh dear. 

+ (new bread machine) - (riding) = put on 1.8kg this week :( :-[

I didn't think I'd necessarily keep all I'd achieved by last week, but that's a bit much in the wrong direction.

Got one more chance to consolidate a win for this year.  Mind you, Christmas is in the way...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 December, 2009, 11:27:28 am
71.9kg.  Self control on Christmas day - just one glass of wine, no seconds of roast potatoes, turkey, etc.

 :thumbsup:

Time to think about when I should up the calorie input to match output.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: De Sisti on 30 December, 2009, 03:30:23 pm
I find that drinking a cup of pepperminit tea with half a spoonful of honey dampens
my appitite. After going up to 12st 6lb towards the end of my long term sick leave
(knee op, back in work 3 Dec), I am now 11st 11.4lbs as of this morning. Hoping to
get to 11st by 28 Feb 2010.

* The downside is that I have to pee more often.

(Normally weigh between 11st 8lbs -11st 12lbs)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 30 December, 2009, 03:47:37 pm
2.5Kg gained so far over the holiday  :thumbsup:. Bloat-tastic!

The pain starts Friday with exhaustion tests for 100 Push up and 200 Sit up challenges, then I'm onto a proper programme with the Concept 2, Turbo Trainer and the Livestrong app, starting next week.

I'll be concentrating on Core Tone again, as that seemed to make a big difference to my average speeds on the bike this year. Might also try some squats and lunges to get more strength into my legs.

The aim is stronger, less bulky muscles, and definitely less lard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 30 December, 2009, 03:52:04 pm
2.5Kg gained so far over the holiday  :thumbsup:. Bloat-tastic!

The pain starts Friday with exhaustion tests for 100 Push up and 200 Sit up challenges, then I'm onto a proper programme with the Concept 2, Turbo Trainer and the Livestrong app, starting next week.

I'll be concentrating on Core Tone again, as that seemed to make a big difference to my average speeds on the bike this year. Might also try some squats and lunges to get more strength into my legs.

The aim is stronger, less bulky muscles, and definitely less lard.
Press ups will not help your cycling much.

I've not put any weight on so far despite not cycling for 15 days
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 30 December, 2009, 03:54:19 pm
Press ups will not help your cycling much.

Well, they helped with my core tone this year - plus some upper arm strength is always a Good Thing when hauling a fixed gear up a hill, I find.

So I think I disagree   ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 30 December, 2009, 03:55:43 pm
Press ups will not help your cycling much.

Well, they helped with my core tone this year - plus some upper arm strength is always a Good Thing when hauling a fixed gear up a hill, I find.

So I think I disagree   ;)
I DID say "much", specific legwork and core work will help your cycling more. And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!

Half seriously though, improved core strength will IMO be more beneficial than stronger arms for cycling. IME I climb faster seated on Fixed than I do out of the saddle and using my arms.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 30 December, 2009, 03:57:32 pm
And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!

Hehe - indeed. Though I have been known to leave the flatlands on occasion  ;).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 30 December, 2009, 04:06:53 pm
And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!

Hehe - indeed. Though I have been known to leave the flatlands on occasion  ;).

I think the squats and lunges will be worth more, but hey, whatever works for you and most of all what you enjoy doing will be what you'll continue doing. Me ? I'll be doing squats and maybe lunges, Romanian deadlifts, bent over rows.

Weight will dissappear when I start riding more. If it doesn't it doesn't.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 December, 2009, 09:25:11 pm
I've not been cycling - or doing any exercise - at all since Christmas Eve.  Have been counting calories though (much to amusement/annoyance of family).

Christmas eve (when I got up at 5am, on my own scales): 73.7 kg
This morning, parents' scales (also digital): 71.0kg

My stomach is now quite flat.  I have a bit more muscle than before when I was the same weight so I have better definition  now.

 :P

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 30 December, 2009, 11:09:23 pm
Last weight posted for the year. I actually posted the same weight twice in December. 12 KG lost over the year. I'm happy with that :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 30 December, 2009, 11:10:53 pm
So are we going to have a chart for the new year?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on 31 December, 2009, 08:34:07 am
In the two weeks that I have had off work for christmas I have managed to put on 6.5 lb taking me to 13.11 or 87.5kg, I am very disappointed, but with lack of cycling due to the weather and lots of food over Christmas I suppose its not surprising.
I had planned to get to my goal weight by christmas which is 13 stone or 82kg I now plan to be at this weight by the end of Jan.
Do any of you follow the  weight watchers plan ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: .calm on 01 January, 2010, 11:56:03 am
So are we going to have a chart for the new year?
I was wondering that. Is there anyone in charge round here, or should I just copy last years initial post, edit the dates and start it myself?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 01 January, 2010, 12:00:25 pm
I just did it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 January, 2010, 02:15:14 pm
Once upon a time, in a previous life, I let myself get to 17 stone. I am 5'3", so that was size 22 clothes.
Thanks to the patented heartbreak-and-fags diet (not really recommended for either mental or physical health) I shrunk myself back to more normal proportions. I lost 11 stone of husband and close to half of me.
Over the last 3 years it's crept up from time to time, so I periodically go on a sensible eating mission and get it back a bit. This year I want to return to the weight I was 5 years ago, which is that magic number, x. I'd also like to do this without either heartbreak, or cigarettes. (Please).
I eat an enormous amount of food and maintain the same weight despite a fairly hefty cake habit, so losing weight is not usually that difficult, once I get into the swing of it (again  ::-))
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 01 January, 2010, 02:17:49 pm
So are we going to have a chart for the new year?

I might get round to a chart in a week or two if ICBA :)

I'm in this year as I need to get fit for the 1000 in July, which involves losing most of the weight I've put on in the last 3 years or so.  No easy task.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 01 January, 2010, 06:22:35 pm
Thank you :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 01 January, 2010, 06:25:23 pm
I am back in again this year.

Putting on many kg last year did not help the self esteem, and little cycling was very despiriting.

3 kg down on 1/1/09  so I have a flying start.  Now need to get on the bike more and eat less.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 01 January, 2010, 06:30:58 pm
Do any of you follow the  weight watchers plan ?

I used to follow the old points system for a bit, it was usefull.  But I believe that it has changed since then, (synic mode on) Just a way of getting more money out of the punters (sysnic mode off).  If you have a cream cake then you do not have much else for the day.  Plenty of fruit and veg though.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 January, 2010, 01:36:08 pm
In the month since my fitness test and I was told to shift some fat my waist has gone from 87cm to 80cm. That's almost 3 inches off.  Good job I didn't buy some new trews in December.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nicknack on 03 January, 2010, 02:47:11 pm
I thought I'd demonstrate my yo-yoing weight this year. Currently at 105kg - would like to get down to 90 or below. I manage it most years but fail to keep it there. No fancy diet involved - I just eat less.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SandyV on 04 January, 2010, 06:00:30 am
Do any of you follow the  weight watchers plan ?

I have found weight watchers a very useful program.  It is sensible and doesn't go for the quick fix.  By encouraging exercise and identifying what is a "normal" portion size it helps to get the basics right. 

Like any other approach though it doesn't work if you don't follow it ( ;) )  This is why I'm back on ww as of last week.

I don't like going to meetings though, although I know many find them good in terms of being accountable.  I follow the program  on line which provides all the program material as well as tools for tracking weight, exercise, eating etc.

You can get a good snapshot of the program on their website weightwatchers.co.uk
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on 04 January, 2010, 07:53:09 am
Hi Sandy, I have been on the weight watchers plan for about 14 months now, and you are correct it only works if you follow it. I was hoping to hit my goal weight by christmas but didn't make it so I have now set it for the end of January.
I use the online stuff but I also go to meetings as I find they encourage me to track better, and there are other people who are or have been in the same situation I was in, 23 stone !! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SandyV on 04 January, 2010, 08:07:14 am
Hi Sandy, I have been on the weight watchers plan for about 14 months now, and you are correct it only works if you follow it. I was hoping to hit my goal weight by christmas but didn't make it so I have now set it for the end of January.
I use the online stuff but I also go to meetings as I find they encourage me to track better, and there are other people who are or have been in the same situation I was in, 23 stone !! :)

Wow - I just looked at your blog - extraordinary effort!!!   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 January, 2010, 09:14:57 am
I used to manage an Obesity Management Service for a PCT.  Weightwatchers was the only group we would work with.  Not sure of the evidence-base, but there's a wealth of anecdote, and the dietitians were happy with the methods.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 04 January, 2010, 08:11:19 pm
My wife and I used WW 'at home' a few years ago.
I managed to go from 17 stone to 11.5 stone in about six months and kept it off for several years.
I'm now back up to 13.5.
We restarted the programme with a vengeance today.

I shall be adding my entry to the Weight Loss thread shortly

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 04 January, 2010, 08:14:57 pm
Hi Sandy, I have been on the weight watchers plan for about 14 months now, and you are correct it only works if you follow it. I was hoping to hit my goal weight by christmas but didn't make it so I have now set it for the end of January.
I use the online stuff but I also go to meetings as I find they encourage me to track better, and there are other people who are or have been in the same situation I was in, 23 stone !! :)

Wow - I just looked at your blog - extraordinary effort!!!   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Serious respect mate!  Love the before and after photo at the end.
S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on 04 January, 2010, 08:22:25 pm
Thanks very much :) Five and a half stone in six months is very good going I would say...well done !

The last three weeks have been the hardest for me what with christmas and this seriously crap weather. I did try the old exercise bike but one hour on that feels like 10 hours.  I stared back pointing quite hard last week but I do find it hard in the cold as the body seems to crave food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 January, 2010, 09:06:08 am
I started this year's weight loss weighing less than I'd feared, making my first target that of losing 600g ;D

Still, that means I have already made inroads into the Christmas excesses...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on 06 January, 2010, 10:14:05 am
Wasn't a good December for me as I  was busy, off the bike and eating far too much comfort food. Being asked out  every evening between Christmas and New Year, and with little or no resistance to cramming food in my gob when I see it meant I went up from about 97kg  to an obese 104.4kg on Jan 2nd.

I'm now on MyPlate and eating lots of wholemeal toast.  I'm not displeased to be 99.8kg this morning and plan to hit 85kg by late Spring
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 06 January, 2010, 11:52:49 am
Beginning the year with a lower weight than anytime last year is good, but I fear it is probably an aberration. Still it's good whilst it lasts :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on 06 January, 2010, 12:08:03 pm
but I fear it is probably an abberation.

Is that one of those euphemism things? We call it "having a monster crap" here in  sarf lunnon
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 06 January, 2010, 01:10:30 pm
but I fear it is probably an aberration.

Is that one of those euphemism things? We call it "having a monster crap" here in  sarf lunnon
It was the absence of one of those that made it an aberration ;D.

[edit - I don't have a spell checker  :-X ]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 06 January, 2010, 02:37:21 pm
I rescued the scales from redundancy yesterday & was amazed to see that despite eating for England for 3 weeks I have gained only !kg :smug:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 11 January, 2010, 06:47:21 pm
Only one pound loss in the week, having tried to go back onto 'full controls'  >:(

Started well enough but too much booze over the weekend, me thinks.

At least it's in the right direction, if only slightly

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 12 January, 2010, 07:57:42 pm
Anyone else on weight-loss pills? I've only skimmed the last few pages of this thread, so apologies if it has already been discussed. Perhaps I should start a new thread?

Anyway: a bloke at work has lost two stones since he's been on weight loss pills. So I've bought some Alli pills from Boots and have set off on a another weight loss journey. They work by blocking some fat absorbtion. If you eat too much fat (> 20g per meal) you get the runs, which can be fast and unpleasant, I'm told. Cost is £40 for five weeks' supply.

I'm a gimmick man - I've lost loads of weight before (4 stones +) with Weightwatchers meetings, then (again) with Weightwatchers online. It all goes back on when I take my eye off the ball for two seconds...

So far so good. I'm so scared to shit myself at work that I watch my fat intake like a hawk.

This is my thirtieth year of "doing something" about my weight.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 12 January, 2010, 08:22:21 pm
If you eat too much fat (> 20g per meal) you get the runs, which can be fast and unpleasant

I wonder if that's their main route to effectivemess :)

Good luck Gordy.  I'm interested to hear how this goes.  Please keep us updated.
Title: Graph ?
Post by: border-rider on 12 January, 2010, 08:24:23 pm
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: SteveC on 12 January, 2010, 08:37:26 pm
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Count me in.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 12 January, 2010, 10:02:39 pm
Yeah.  It'd be another incentive.  I can see why some might not want it, but I'd be very grateful if you'd include me. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 12 January, 2010, 10:14:14 pm
And me :).
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: perpetual dan on 12 January, 2010, 10:19:59 pm
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.

OK with me. Is that a graph of weight / weight lost / percentage of goal achieved / something else?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 12 January, 2010, 10:31:06 pm
Anyone else on weight-loss pills?

I'm a gimmick man - I've lost loads of weight before (4 stones +) with Weightwatchers meetings, then (again) with Weightwatchers online. It all goes back on when I take my eye off the ball for two seconds...

I've never got on with that sort of weightloss pills. Far too undisciplined :-[. I have done well with pills from the (hugely expensive Harley St) diet Dr when I've felt flush in the past, but the diet is really strict and the pills include an appetite suppressant.  :-\
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: border-rider on 12 January, 2010, 10:34:57 pm
Is that a graph of weight / weight lost / percentage of goal achieved / something else?

I would think so, yes :)

Suggestions welcome.  Last time I did cumulative loss & % loss for each person, but % goal is a good one.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 January, 2010, 10:46:14 pm
Pictoral stats is good with me, however you choose to do it.
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 13 January, 2010, 07:24:00 am
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Yes please, would you include me - that would be great. Thanks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oaky on 13 January, 2010, 09:06:46 am
Ditto --- if you're producing graphs it saves me doing it myself :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 13 January, 2010, 09:54:25 am
Feeling of Deja Vu here. I think I'm at the same point now that I was this time last year. With the same goal.

Every single kg I took off last year I put back on again before the end of the year.  >:(

Really quite annoyed with myself. No excuses this time.

I've started using the food diary on Livestrong, so I can be honest with myself exactly how much I'm eating.

I will do it. I will lose weight and make it up those hills.

Edit to say: I don't mind if I'm graphed. I'm doing it myself anyway, and it's always good to be on top.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 13 January, 2010, 08:26:12 pm
Count me in on the graphs as well.   This week is a disaster going the wrong way again  :-[

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Aidan on 13 January, 2010, 08:34:06 pm
My graph -----------------------------------------------------------------  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 14 January, 2010, 10:22:48 pm
Just measured my waist. 48 inches.  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 15 January, 2010, 08:45:10 pm
Just to keep us all on the straight and narrow(ish):

Quote
A floor collapsed beneath a group of about 20 members of Weight Watchers as they gathered to compare how many pounds they had shed over Christmas.

 Floor collapses at Weight Watchers meeting - Times Online  (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6989291.ece)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 15 January, 2010, 09:53:16 pm
Something wrong with that quote. The lost pounds are gone. They were comparing the pounds they hadn't lost
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: border-rider on 16 January, 2010, 09:06:04 pm
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.

Ok, I'm going to start this

I remember last time that it was a real PITA wading through all the tables each week to see who'd posted what.

This time I'm going to ask anyone interested to PM me their update each week. 
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: border-rider on 16 January, 2010, 11:01:13 pm
Weight loss graphs (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28731.msg524996#msg524996)
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: simonp on 17 January, 2010, 04:44:35 pm
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.

Ok, I'm going to start this

I remember last time that it was a real PITA wading through all the tables each week to see who'd posted what.

This time I'm going to ask anyone interested to PM me their update each week. 

Sounds like a job for a script.  Can't be all that hard.  I might look into it if I have a spare moment.
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: border-rider on 17 January, 2010, 04:47:40 pm
That would be good

For now it's OK as not many people are in, and having to PM me will at least filter out the non-committed ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 January, 2010, 01:23:21 am
I've started writing the script, will probably take a few days as I don't have that much time to spare atm.

It'll take an url to a yacf page and attempt to output CSV with username then weights in date order on the same row.  Very limited error checking obviously.

Next level(s) of automation would be to automatically work through all the pages of the weight reports thread, filter in (or out) users who are in (or out), generate a graph automagically using gnuplot, and even upload it to teh web automatically.  Most of which will probably never happen. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 19 January, 2010, 06:38:05 am
Thanks for the graphs,  Pointed out that I am the only one gaining weight.  :-[ :-[ :-[

I real kick I T A  which is what I need if I am not to follow last years example.

Thank you very much

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 19 January, 2010, 07:22:05 am
Yes, I must say that being a bloke I need the target-driven stuff, and being weak-willed I need the public declaration, to keep me on track.  My ulterior motive for doing the graphs...  ;)

Early days yet through Geoff. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 19 January, 2010, 02:19:30 pm
Thanks for the graphs,  Pointed out that I am the only one gaining weight.  :-[ :-[ :-[

I real kick I T A  which is what I need if I am not to follow last years example.

Thank you very much

Geoff
Not just you! I am too :-[.

I haven't set a target, I don't want to be much lower and if I set a target too low, I demoralise myself and give up, but if it's too high, I stop and gain weight ::-). I thought I'd just keep track and see how it goes :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 19 January, 2010, 05:00:46 pm
No target is no problem, it just means you don't show on the third graph.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 19 January, 2010, 05:12:39 pm
*digs around in ACF archives*

Here's some motivation, here's my weight reports for 2007. I'd seen 94kg (albeit fully clothed) on the scales in December 2006.

January__ February__ March_____ April_____ May_______ June_______
3rd: 89.67th: 89.07th: 87.44th: 86.02nd: away6th: 83.6
10th: 90.014th: 88.614th: 86.411th: 85.29th: 84.913th: 83.0
17th: 90.021st: 88.621st: 85.618th: 84.516th: 83.220th: 83.5
24th: 89.628th: 87.928th: 85.625th: away23rd: 82.829th: 82.6
31st: 89.3                  30th: away          
July_____ August____ September__ October__ November__ December__
4th: 80.81st: 80.15th: 79.03rd: 76.87th: 77.05th: 78.3
11th: 80.78th: 79.112th: 78.810th: 77.014th: 77.012th: 78.3
18th: 80.515th: 80.019th: 77.917th: 76.721st: 78.019th: 78.3
25th: 79.822nd: 78.526th: 77.324th: 77.028th: 77.326th: 79.0
     29th: 78.6      31st: 77.0            
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: Jules on 19 January, 2010, 05:25:45 pm
Weight loss graphs (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28731.msg524996#msg524996)

plz to add me to graph. I  will pm big numbers after tomorrow's weigh-in.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 19 January, 2010, 06:54:03 pm
Yes, I must say that being a bloke I need the target-driven stuff, and being weak-willed I need the public declaration, to keep me on track.

I too need strong motivation to overcome the "spirit is willing:flesh is weak syndrome" but my skin is too thick & my shoulders slope too much for even public humiliation to have an effect ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 20 January, 2010, 06:43:53 am
Small step in the right direction this week.  114.2  =  .4kg lost.   :thumbsup:

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 20 January, 2010, 08:08:29 am
2kg in two weeks.

I'm back down to where I started last year now.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 20 January, 2010, 08:32:01 am
My motivation for joining in with this originally was to stop replacing clothes because the trousers were too tight. I'm doing well on the no replacements. Today I'm wearing a suit. It doesn't happen often, so they don't wear out. I've now got to the happy point where a 32" waist is just a little neat and means a generous lunch is out, while the 34" waist trousers feel just a little loose and a generous lunch is a good idea.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 20 January, 2010, 09:15:57 am
Bah!  >:(

Today was supposed to be my first weigh-in day of the year.  Cycled in, got to the  new gym* and asked where the scales were located.  "Over there, by the machines."  Grrr.  At the moment I'm only using the gym for shower & kit storage facilities.  With the scales out in the public area I have the choice of weighing myself in my cycling kit, in my work clothes, or bringing in an extra t-shirt & shorts for the short trip.  I don't think they'd take too kindly to me wandering through the gym in just a towel — I know I wouldn't.

I guess this is even more incentive to start using some of their other facilities.


*switched gym locations due to a recent office move.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 January, 2010, 09:37:56 am
I'm inexplicably up this week.  I know I ate a fair bit at the weekend, but I am also riding a lot.  Maybe I shouldn't have had the pickled egg ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 20 January, 2010, 10:28:19 am
I thought I'd be down, as I'm riding.
I'm not.

Then I remembered All That Food. O yeah.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 20 January, 2010, 10:45:58 am
I'm inexplicably up this week.  I know I ate a fair bit at the weekend, but I am also riding a lot.  Maybe I shouldn't have had the pickled egg ;D

That combined with your very low target change means that I've had to let your line go off the top of the third graph this week.  Otherwise the rest of us just end up in the same place on the origin ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 January, 2010, 10:48:52 am
Off the chart?  Hell, that's bad ;D

No problem - and hey, thanks for picking up the data. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 20 January, 2010, 10:54:26 am
I thought I'd be down, as I'm riding.
I'm not.

Then I remembered All That Food. O yeah.

I've found it hard in the past to loose much weight when riding, except on real epics like a hard LEL - and even then my weight bounces back afterwards to more than it was before.  Usually I stay much the same.  I reckon that, post-ride, the desire to eat anything within arm's reach undoes the good work.

As you say, controlling the input is what makes the difference. 

You may also be converting some fat to muscle...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 20 January, 2010, 11:01:23 am
I'm inexplicably up this week.  I know I ate a fair bit at the weekend, but I am also riding a lot.  Maybe I shouldn't have had the pickled egg ;D

That combined with your very low target change means that I've had to let your line go off the top of the third graph this week.  Otherwise the rest of us just end up in the same place on the origin ;)

Graph?  *digs around a bit*  Oh!  This could be interesting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 January, 2010, 11:10:30 am
I've rather gone off the idea of graphs this week - can't think why ;D

EDIT: Which target are you using, MV?  I've put three in.  Perhaps if you select a different one, that might work better... :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 20 January, 2010, 06:40:18 pm
2kg in two weeks.

I'm back down to where I started last year now.  :facepalm:
I'd like to get down to where I finished last year.
Where I started would be real progress!

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 20 January, 2010, 06:41:30 pm
I've rather gone off the idea of graphs this week - can't think why ;D

EDIT: Which target are you using, MV?  I've put three in.  Perhaps if you select a different one, that might work better... :)

Your first...that's how I've done all of them.  Once you pass that I'll shift to the others ;)

edit: I've changed to target 2 for Clarion to keep him on the graph...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on 21 January, 2010, 10:17:58 am
Bollocky bollock bollocks (pardon My French)

Did 90km on Sunday and then collapsed with a cold so  this week has consisted of watching old movies from the sofa, reading YACF, and comfort eating. Back to where I was two weeks ago.

poo, bum, winkle
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 26 January, 2010, 07:05:22 pm
Three days off focus and 0.5kg gained.  Disappointed with myself.  What do I need to watch out for?  Eating after a big bike ride - you think you have calories in the bank and go and spoil it on the Sunday.  Also had a birthday in the house which meant going out more than usual and people baking lovely cakes.  Third, have wavered on my Livestrong discipline, not completing it or finding shortcuts.

I'll forgive myself the blip since I'm ahead of schedule.  But I have decided that from right now I'm going to be back on track: doing Livestrong is the key for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 26 January, 2010, 07:11:35 pm
Eating after a big bike ride - you think you have calories in the bank and go and spoil it on the Sunday.

Yep.  Stuffing your face with cake and Ginsters is OK to get round a long event, and you usually eat at the end to help recovery, but I always make the same mistake and let my increased appetite off its leash next day.  If you've done the face-stuffing on the day the calories in the weight-loss bank are fewer than you imagine...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 26 January, 2010, 07:21:55 pm

Anyone else on weight-loss pills?


I said I'd keep you up-to-date with my experience of Alli weight loss pills...

So far so good. After an eight pound loss in week one, the loss has settled down at about 1.5 lb a week. (12.5 lb so far). I feel great, eat sensibly and haven't had any poo related "accidents" from eating too much.

So. IMHO, they work... but (of course) they work because I'm dieting and have substantially changed my eating habits. If you need a gimmick, or an incentive, I can recommend them.

If you have willpower, you won't need them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 26 January, 2010, 10:47:39 pm

Anyone else on weight-loss pills?


I said I'd keep you up-to-date with my experience of Alli weight loss pills...

So far so good. After an eight pound loss in week one, the loss has settled down at about 1.5 lb a week. (12.5 lb so far). I feel great, eat sensibly and haven't had any poo related "accidents" from eating too much.

So. IMHO, they work... but (of course) they work because I'm dieting and have substantially changed my eating habits. If you need a gimmick, or an incentive, I can recommend them.

If you have willpower, you won't need them.

Heh, thinking "If I eat this I'm going to soil myself" is certainly a pretty good incentive.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 26 January, 2010, 10:58:50 pm
Heh, thinking "If I eat this I'm going to soil myself" is certainly a pretty good incentive.  ;D

I've thought that so many times about petrol station food whilst on an audax.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on 27 January, 2010, 06:57:43 am
I am feeling pretty pleased with myself at the moment, I managed to lose 3.5 lbs this week, which meant that I have hit my Weight Watchers goal of 13 stone 1 lb - 83kg for a total loss of 9 stone 13 lb - 63.04kg. I am intending to lose that other pound to make it an even 10 stone - 140 lb - 63.50 kg, in fact I intend to lose another 7 lb or somewhere around the middle 12's   ;D :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 January, 2010, 08:57:24 am
Change is good :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 27 January, 2010, 09:01:05 am
Total of 3Kg lost during January. Never underestimate the power of illness to do good  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SandyV on 27 January, 2010, 09:23:40 am
  Congratulations Kevin. Well done!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 27 January, 2010, 12:50:20 pm
That's fantastic news Kevin.  :D

What an achievement :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 27 January, 2010, 12:56:24 pm
That's great, Kevin - well done.

I lost 200g this week. :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 27 January, 2010, 01:03:47 pm
Congratulations Kevin. That's amazing - it is good to know that big weight loss is actually possible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 27 January, 2010, 01:22:19 pm
That's great, Kevin - well done.

I lost 200g this week. :-[
That's ok - it only takes 5 weeks of 200g losses to lose a kg :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 27 January, 2010, 01:23:18 pm
So...when do I get cake? ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 January, 2010, 01:30:34 pm
My target is 250g/week and I'm 1.1kg above target of 70kg so I'm not having to starve. I won't lose much this week due to burns night and last night. But i'm playing the long game.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 January, 2010, 01:33:53 pm
So...when do I get cake? ;)
Birthdays only.
This weight loss is a serious business. I've been cake-free for 5 days now, and it's already showing on the scales...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on 27 January, 2010, 02:16:02 pm
Thanks everyone :)

BTW I have been cake free for over a year now :(  but I did have my first pie in over a year at Witney during my mesh ride on Saturday, it tasted very nice :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 January, 2010, 12:03:08 am
I've started writing the script, will probably take a few days as I don't have that much time to spare atm.

It'll take an url to a yacf page and attempt to output CSV with username then weights in date order on the same row.  Very limited error checking obviously.

Next level(s) of automation would be to automatically work through all the pages of the weight reports thread, filter in (or out) users who are in (or out), generate a graph automagically using gnuplot, and even upload it to teh web automatically.  Most of which will probably never happen. :)


Parsing: check.
Output CSV: check.
Work through multiple (configured number) pages: check
Filtering: no
Graphing: no
Uploading: no

Do we want the other features?  I can email/PM you a CSV file for now if you like.

I also could do with some way of handling errors when failing to fetch a page, as yacf is known for failing to provide the page.  This will be for another day, though.

I can't add the automatic upload until a filtering mechanism is in place.  I would suggest that having a specific piece of text in your weights post is the best way; this gives the user full control.  Something like: graph=yes

Also, anyone who mucks about putting things like x+8 in their post won't get a graph as I detect the weight values using a fairly restrictive regexp to avoid complicating the parsing any further.  Not that it's very complex, but I have to avoid things like people putting a weight in bold mucking things up.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 28 January, 2010, 01:01:50 pm
BTW I have been cake free for over a year now

Amazing willpower...

I'm deeply impressed at what you've done, Kevin.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Julian on 28 January, 2010, 01:13:03 pm
Yes, I must say that being a bloke I need the target-driven stuff, and being weak-willed I need the public declaration, to keep me on track.  My ulterior motive for doing the graphs...  ;)

Early days yet through Geoff. 

It's not just blokes.  The target driven stuff stimulates my OCD gland, which in turn keeps me sufficiently focused.  I'm not doing it on yacf, but I've got an online food-counter and weight loss graph which is definitely keeping me motivated.

[minor whinge] Last time I made a real deliberate effort to lose weight was after uni, when I was definitely overweight, and it just fell off when I started eating better.  This is a lot harder now I'm in the normal weight bracket and trying to lose a bit more.  Meh. [/whinge]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 28 January, 2010, 01:18:04 pm
This is a lot harder now I'm in the normal weight bracket and trying to lose a bit more. 

It is.  Unless you're doing stupid amounts of exercise, your body really doesn't easily let you shift from what it thinks is a decent weight.

The only time I've ever got to a point where I was actually thin was in July 2006, after a month consisting of commuting 40 k to work each day and riding 2x300, 2x600 + 1000k.  It soon came back on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 January, 2010, 01:21:14 pm
I definately get more hungry easier when I am sub 70kg.  It's almost like my body has some kind of mechanism to control my calorie intake.

The average person manages to control within about 7kcal/day but that's enough for slow but steady long-term gain over the years.  It equates to about 2 stone over 50 years.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 January, 2010, 11:47:43 am
69.9 kg.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 29 January, 2010, 01:16:06 pm
Finally weighed myself on Wednesday.  :'( 

Also changed my target weight. After converting it from kg to lb I realised the old target was unrealistic, and possibly not healthy at all.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 January, 2010, 01:26:22 pm
Mv, what do you want to do about these graphs?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 30 January, 2010, 01:02:44 pm
I don't mind.

It works fine as-is, but if you come up with a super-duper way to automate it then so much the better :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 01 February, 2010, 07:51:56 pm
After my smugness of last week, when I lost 3lbs despite the humungous curry on Saturday night, I've gained this week.

Of course the Pub Quiz (with butties and chips), the village 'Variety Night' (also in the pub, this time with steak and chips and bread and butter pudding) and the five course, slightly late, Burns' Night supper may not have helped.
 ::-)

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 02 February, 2010, 06:58:28 am
This is a lot harder now I'm in the normal weight bracket and trying to lose a bit more. 
It is.  Unless you're doing stupid amounts of exercise, your body really doesn't easily let you shift from what it thinks is a decent weight.
When I adjusted my weight on Livestrong from 73kg to 72kg (which is getting close to my target of 70), my calorie goal went down from 1611 to 1593.  Just doesn't seem fair, being rewarded with an even lower calorie goal.  Anyway "weight loss plateau" articles give a few tips.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 03 February, 2010, 09:51:13 am
I don't seem to be getting the hang of this weight loss idea :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nicknack on 03 February, 2010, 12:20:37 pm
Me neither.

I put today's appalling result down to the large amount of curry and chocolate cake consumed last night cos it was me birfdy. Beer was consumed also.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 03 February, 2010, 12:37:01 pm
Curry last night was a  bad move.  I felt very full when I was pedalling home.

Chocolate in the middle of the day wasn't a good plan, either :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 February, 2010, 08:27:48 am
So. According to Livestrong, my Intake/Exercise for this week:

In: 13,097 kcals
Out: 12,727 kcals

So, if this is to be believed - I've pretty much offset all my intake with exercise. However, this is net calories and doesn't include BMR. So, even if I have the metabolism of a mouse - say, 1000 kcals a day, I should still have lost about a kg because I didn't eat that equivalent. So how the f*cking hell did I gain 300g?

Sommat's not right there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 10 February, 2010, 08:44:40 am

Bah. Put some weight back on. Really need to be stricter about my snacking.

I just wish I wasn't hungry all the time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 10 February, 2010, 09:32:03 am
I think I need a better motivation. Just 'being lighter' clearly isn't enough of a motivator. 'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well, as did 'ever having sex again'. 'Going fast in the summer' clearly doesn't have the same appeal  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 10 February, 2010, 09:35:32 am
I think I need a better motivation. Just 'being lighter' clearly isn't enough of a motivator. 'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well, as did 'ever having sex again'. 'Going fast in the summer' clearly doesn't have the same appeal  ::-)

"Not being the last up every single hill on a ride" is my motivation.

It's rather long term though, and often driven out of my mind by hunger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2010, 09:47:39 am
So. According to Livestrong, my Intake/Exercise for this week:

In: 13,097 kcals
Out: 12,727 kcals

So, if this is to be believed - I've pretty much offset all my intake with exercise. However, this is net calories and doesn't include BMR. So, even if I have the metabolism of a mouse - say, 1000 kcals a day, I should still have lost about a kg because I didn't eat that equivalent. So how the f*cking hell did I gain 300g?

Sommat's not right there.

When I'm exercising a lot there seems to be a lot more noise in the data which can easily shift my weight by 1kg from day to day. When I wasn't exercising over Xmas/ny the noise went away and my weight steadily dropped. As I said before I'm trying to lose 0.5lb per week. Losing weight fast isn't healthy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 February, 2010, 10:02:00 am
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well

Excellent. I'll try that one  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 February, 2010, 10:05:18 am
When I'm exercising a lot there seems to be a lot more noise in the data which can easily shift my weight by 1kg from day to day. When I wasn't exercising over Xmas/ny the noise went away and my weight steadily dropped. As I said before I'm trying to lose 0.5lb per week. Losing weight fast isn't healthy.

Yeah. Could be - there's a 200k audax caught up in those figures - God knows what feats of chemistry go on inside during and after one of those.

I'm only being slightly aggressive with my weight loss for a short time - and I'm not doing it by reducing intake, but by increasing exercise. Anyway - I was given to believe that 1Kg a week is not excessive (only a couple of pounds) for a chap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2010, 10:19:26 am
I was mainly concerned that I might lose muscle mass if I over did it. I have wondered if the calorie estimates for cycling are optimistic. e.g. Sunday's ride 2400kJ (implying about 2400kcal) on PowerTap. LiveStrong reckons 3900kcal. If you believe one I had a 2000 deficit, if the other it was 500. I have been doing this for nearly 3 months now so should be able to look at the data and draw some conclusions. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 10 February, 2010, 10:27:01 am
I was mainly concerned that I might lose muscle mass if I over did it. I have wondered if the calorie estimates for cycling are optimistic. e.g. Sunday's ride 2400kJ (implying about 2400kcal) on PowerTap. LiveStrong reckons 3900kcal. If you believe one I had a 2000 deficit, if the other it was 500. I have been doing this for nearly 3 months now so should be able to look at the data and draw some conclusions. 

I think the Livestrong calorie estimates are wildly optimistic. There's no way I burned 500 calories cycling 5 miles to work and back. More like 100 at the most.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 10 February, 2010, 10:38:29 am
I think 200g weight gain in a week of no cycling but lots of stress (=more eating) isn't too] bad... :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2010, 10:59:42 am
I was mainly concerned that I might lose muscle mass if I over did it. I have wondered if the calorie estimates for cycling are optimistic. e.g. Sunday's ride 2400kJ (implying about 2400kcal) on PowerTap. LiveStrong reckons 3900kcal. If you believe one I had a 2000 deficit, if the other it was 500. I have been doing this for nearly 3 months now so should be able to look at the data and draw some conclusions. 

I think the Livestrong calorie estimates are wildly optimistic. There's no way I burned 500 calories cycling 5 miles to work and back. More like 100 at the most.

5 miles is at least 160 calories unless you're going slowly. I've collected a lot of data from the powertap and I've never done less than 20kJ per kilometre.  Which equates to 20kcal/kilometre, and is very likely to underestimate the true energy cost.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2010, 11:23:21 am
OK.

BMR calories 187738
Actual calories 171396

Net deficit: 16342 calories

Predicted weight loss @ 9kcal/gramme of fat: 1.8kg.

Actual weight loss about 4kg.

Target weight loss: 2.7kg.

=> Most likely my BMR is a little higher than predicted.  I've lost weight a bit faster than expected.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 10 February, 2010, 11:36:51 am

5 miles is at least 160 calories unless you're going slowly. I've collected a lot of data from the powertap and I've never done less than 20kJ per kilometre.  Which equates to 20kcal/kilometre, and is very likely to underestimate the true energy cost.
 

Maybe closer to 200 calories then. It is a heavy bike, and a heavy body on top of it. myPlate looks to be over double the calories though. They've calculated me burning 965 calories per hour for cycling at 12-13 mph. I know I'm big, but I don't think it takes that much to move me.

Maybe I'll sit down with some figures and try and work out how many watts I'm pushing and use that to get a slightly more accurate figure for calories.

I'm not cycling that much at the moment, just 5 miles a day commuting, so I'm ignoring the calories added by exercise to myplate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2010, 11:41:36 am
For me it gives 562kcal/hr.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 February, 2010, 12:25:01 pm
I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr and "vigorous" (which I use when doing intervals) it gives 900kcals/hr. Given that there's no freewheeling available with a turbo, that might be reasonable. It's a lot less than my Polar HRM claims.

For example, this morning's interval session (3x10 + warmup/cooldown so - 30 mins "moderate", 30 mins "vigorous"), my HRM claimed 1200kcals whereas LS claims about 750kcals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 10 February, 2010, 12:25:36 pm
For me it gives 562kcal/hr.


Ah, but I'm nearly twice the man you are (120kg) ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 10 February, 2010, 01:07:10 pm
Motivation: Mille Cymru, 23rd July, 13,500 metres ascent

Targets: march 82kg, april 81kg, may 80kg, june 79kg, july 78kg

Current weight: 81.8kg

Method: avoid booze, small lunch, less carbs at dinnertime, same amount of exercise (50km day commuting)

Last time I did this I went completely teetotal for several months but remained stuck at 81kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 10 February, 2010, 01:45:42 pm
At the moment my weight is coming off fairly quickly but I was starting from a position of being very overweight (approx 17 stones), I don’t know if this is a factor – I do know from previous experience that the rate of loss will probably slow down significantly as my weight drops under the 95-90kg mark (and if I don’t keep up the momentum I’ll have trouble keeping it off).  Currently lost 1.59 stones since the start of the year.

I’m exercising more- I haven’t missed a commute yet this year and as the round trip is 25+ miles this seems to help.  I’m eating a bit more carefully but certainly not dieting (I’m weighing carbs to ensure that I’m not under or overdoing it).  I’m also making sure that I eat breakfast every day, which also seems to help.

Possibly more significantly, I’m drinking a fair amount less alcohol, still probably a fair intake by most people’s standards but a big reduction for me.

I’m doing up to two turbo sessions on either Tuesday or Thursday and I seem to get much of my weight loss in the day following these efforts.  I’m also doing a long turbo or hilly ride at the weekend.

My problem has never been with shifting weight when motivated, it’s in finding the motivation and keeping the weight off once lost that I really struggle with.  My biggest battle with weight loss will be in the summer when all the rides I have planned for will be over.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 10 February, 2010, 02:14:28 pm
Motivation: Mille Cymru, 23rd July, 13,500 metres ascent

^This

and as an intermediate, the K&SW600 in late May.  A painfest for the salad-dodger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 10 February, 2010, 02:18:16 pm
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well

Excellent. I'll try that one  :thumbsup:

 ;D
I had similar thoughts when I read that  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 10 February, 2010, 02:22:02 pm
big white frocks are fine, it's the small ones I can't get into. My weight is up but I am not fatter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 10 February, 2010, 02:26:55 pm

I think the Livestrong calorie estimates are wildly optimistic.

I agree

I think it estimated a 6000 calorie loss for a day's ride for me.

Calculations done using power/HR relationships (very similar to Bridget's data (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21352.msg543028#msg543028) on the performance monitoring thread) indicates that somewhere between 130 and 150 calories per hour is about right for my average audax pace.  That puts a brisk 200 k ride at about 1400 calories.  It's pretty easy to choff more than that in pre-loading, eating at controls and at the end.

That of course ignores any post-riding metabolic benefit.

This is where the recent cycling press critiques of slow riding for fat-burning miss the point; if you're time-limited then it is better to go faster, but the difference between my all-day fat-burning pace (that requires no food at all) and a brisk pace is about 50 kcal per hour.  I'd need to eat more than 50 kcal per hour to maintain the brisk pace...

The only time I ever lose weight on rides is on the really long ones, when I'm cruising along and not pushing the pace all day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 10 February, 2010, 02:36:11 pm
I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr

That seems a lot.  Have i got the calculations wrong ?

600 kcal is 2520 kJ

One hour is 3600 seconds

That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 February, 2010, 02:41:17 pm
That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour  :o

I'm hard-core, me  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 February, 2010, 02:46:49 pm
I think it estimated a 6000 calorie loss for a day's ride for me.

Isn't that the figure that Mark Beaumont had to chase every day though? And that was for 160km - I'm guessing you're talking about 200km.

I'm trying to "buy" a 1000kcals of deficit most days. If LS really is that optimistic, then I'm seriously depressed - that means I'll have to sit on the turbo all day!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 10 February, 2010, 02:50:53 pm
"Not being the last up every single hill on a ride" is my motivation.
Of the East Anglian Big Hitters I am the strongest climber.

(This is a bit like saying of all the fish in my 3' garden pond, I am the largest, at 2" big...)

I think I need something more tangible. Y'know, like a new bike or something. You only deserve soot if you look something like an elf. Unfortunately my £s will not cover such things.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 10 February, 2010, 02:58:05 pm


"Not being the last up every single hill on a ride" is my motivation.



This appears to be my purpose in life.Someone has to carry the lantern rouge & my thick skin & sloping shoulders are ideally suited to me providing this public service to prevent embarresement to anyone on the same ride as me. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: philip on 10 February, 2010, 03:05:22 pm
I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr

That seems a lot.  Have i got the calculations wrong ?

600 kcal is 2520 kJ

One hour is 3600 seconds

That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour  :o
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work.  I remember estimates of the efficiency at about 25% for cycling, so the cycling power is more like 170W. I guess the rest is mostly heat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 10 February, 2010, 03:14:07 pm
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work. 


ah, of course

I wonder how that % changes with effort ? I suspect that at audax pace it's quite a bit higher; 25% might work for all-out turbo work I guess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 10 February, 2010, 03:24:29 pm
At the moment my weight is coming off fairly quickly but I was starting from a position of being very overweight (approx 17 stones), I don’t know if this is a factor – I do know from previous experience that the rate of loss will probably slow down significantly as my weight drops under the 95-90kg mark (and if I don’t keep up the momentum I’ll have trouble keeping it off).  Currently lost 1.59 stones since the start of the year.

I’m exercising more- I haven’t missed a commute yet this year and as the round trip is 25+ miles this seems to help.  I’m eating a bit more carefully but certainly not dieting (I’m weighing carbs to ensure that I’m not under or overdoing it).  I’m also making sure that I eat breakfast every day, which also seems to help.

Possibly more significantly, I’m drinking a fair amount less alcohol, still probably a fair intake by most people’s standards but a big reduction for me.

I’m doing up to two turbo sessions on either Tuesday or Thursday and I seem to get much of my weight loss in the day following these efforts.  I’m also doing a long turbo or hilly ride at the weekend.

My problem has never been with shifting weight when motivated, it’s in finding the motivation and keeping the weight off once lost that I really struggle with.  My biggest battle with weight loss will be in the summer when all the rides I have planned for will be over.


I'm doing OK also.  9 kg off since NY, and I have a weight in stone that begins in 12 and not 14 now.

I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)

I even managed to keep my weight down on last week's work trip to the US, despite the enforced inactivity and the lack of control over diet etc.  Not drinking alcohol (which I can tell you was a major temptation last week) is really helping me.  Not just the calories in the booze, but the way it messes up both my metabolism and my will power...

I'm still (just slightly) overweight according to my BMI, but I think that's more of an indication of the crudeness of BMI. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 February, 2010, 03:27:10 pm
I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)

LOL. That really winds me up.

"You're looking gaunt dear, are you feeling ok?"

Grrr....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 10 February, 2010, 03:30:17 pm
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well

Excellent. I'll try that one  :thumbsup:

 ;D
I had similar thoughts when I read that  ;)

I said: How the hell you get into those tight blue jeans?
She said: For starters you can buy me a drink.

[by Anon]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2010, 03:31:29 pm
I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr

That seems a lot.  Have i got the calculations wrong ?

600 kcal is 2520 kJ

One hour is 3600 seconds

That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour  :o
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work.  I remember estimates of the efficiency at about 25% for cycling, so the cycling power is more like 170W. I guess the rest is mostly heat.

yes, this causes confusion.

When you are using a powertap or other watt meter they are reporting output work done.  When converting to food energy you multiply by about 4.  It's easiest just to take the number of kJ and say that's the number of kcals.

Powertap reported 2400kJ for a 109km ride for me last weekend; this is about 2400kcal food energy.

Even then, I think this is going to be an underestimate because it's only measuring mechanical work that is delivered to the hub.  Mechanical work that is simply used to move your legs, maintain balance, etc, is not included.

If the Livestrong numbers are a bit high, then they're high by at most 50%.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2010, 03:39:05 pm
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work. 


ah, of course

I wonder how that % changes with effort ? I suspect that at audax pace it's quite a bit higher; 25% might work for all-out turbo work I guess.

Efficiency, Economy, and Endurance Performance (http://home.hia.no/~stephens/effiperf.htm)

25% is at the high end of efficiency, apparently.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 10 February, 2010, 03:41:31 pm
I thought improving the conversion %age was a major effect of all this flippin training we're doing? (especially the base level stuff)

Of course I don't know any figures for this effect, sorry ...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 10 February, 2010, 03:43:50 pm
25% is at the high end of efficiency, apparently.

Maybe, but that's for a 40 mile TT.  That'd be a pretty high power output.  I'd bet that at 200 km pace for us non-racing types, the power would be a lot less and the efficiency might be quite a bit higher

I just struggle to marry up the claimed calorie usage with the observed not-greatness of audax riding for weight-loss (even ignoring cakes ;))

edit: I did the same ride yesterday as I did last Tuesday.  I felt stronger and faster, and pushed myself far harder.  Result: ate more, finished considerably more wiped out in exactly the same overall time :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 10 February, 2010, 03:55:39 pm
I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)

LOL. That really winds me up.

"You're looking gaunt dear, are you feeling ok?"

Grrr....
My favourite when I lost weight a few years ago came from my cousin -  "you look emancipated"! ;D I did explain the difference between that and emaciated... (which I didn't anyway).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 10 February, 2010, 03:56:42 pm
You look emancipated to me :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2010, 04:01:00 pm
25% is at the high end of efficiency, apparently.

Maybe, but that's for a 40 mile TT.  That'd be a pretty high power output.  I'd bet that at 200 km pace for us non-racing types, the power would be a lot less and the efficiency might be quite a bit higher

I just struggle to marry up the claimed calorie usage with the observed not-greatness of audax riding for weight-loss (even ignoring cakes ;))

edit: I did the same ride yesterday as I did last Tuesday.  I felt stronger and faster, and pushed myself far harder.  Result: ate more, finished considerably more wiped out in exactly the same overall time :)

Yet carbohydrate is burned more efficiently than fat. The problem is the lack of storage capacity, not efficiency. At low intensity you can cope on fat alone. At moderate to high intensity you need carbs.

"As exercise intensity increases, carbohydrate metabolism takes over. It is more efficient than fat metabolism, but has limited energy stores. "

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 10 February, 2010, 04:16:41 pm
Yet carbohydrate is burned more efficiently than fat.


In terms of watts per unit oxygen, that is so.  I'm not sure it is in terms of overall energy efficiency though...

I found it interesting that, despite working a lot harder, I wasn't actually going that much faster

The previous ride, though, had seen a  dramatic time improvement on the first time I did  it, by working harder but not that hard.  I think that yesterday I was well into the region of diminishing returns.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 February, 2010, 08:35:53 pm
Does this inefficiency translate to calories taken in I wonder? If I eat 300 kcals of pasta - does my body get 300 kcals of energy from it? Seems unlikely.

How are the figures arrived at?

*thinks back to A-Level chemistry*

Do they still use Bomb Calorimeters?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 10 February, 2010, 08:40:45 pm
Does this inefficiency translate to calories taken in I wonder? If I eat 300 kcals of pasta - does my body get 300 kcals of energy from it? Seems unlikely.

Probably close to, if it's digested properly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Rich753 on 10 February, 2010, 10:24:50 pm
But it's not digested "properly" - think sweetcorn, some seeds, nuts, they come out pretty much as they went in (put as delicately as I could!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 February, 2010, 07:51:55 am
That's true - but my (rather weak) example was pasta, which perhaps is better processed. FWIW I only eat Wholewheat pasta, so there is possibly more chemistry involved which will reduce the efficiency.

Anyway - interestingly enough - after all this, I couldn't resist weighing myself again this morning, and I'm 700g lighter than I was yesterday. This would suggest I am also susceptible to Bridget's "noise".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 February, 2010, 08:44:57 am
The food energy data for a given food already accounts for the fact that some of the food - roughage - can't be digested.

Efficiency is the conversion ratio from food energy to work done. This accounts for the energy to digest the food and the losses in converting the chemical energy in food to mechanical work. Hence if you eat 300kcal of pasta you can only do 60-75kcal of work. Livestrong already allows for this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 11 February, 2010, 09:36:25 am
This all reminds me of diet formulation as a student. You're going to start talking about the heat increment of feeding, losses to atmosphere and relative digestability next.

As long as nobody starts mentioning how lower digestibilty affects butterfat content, I may escape untarnished...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 11 February, 2010, 11:21:35 am
The food energy data for a given food already accounts for the fact that some of the food - roughage - can't be digested.
Yup. The stuff that goes through relatively unscathed - sweetcorn* and nutshells - has no calories that we can extract.

(*I don't know the proper term for the outer bit of a sweetcorn thingy.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 11 February, 2010, 11:38:50 am
You look emancipated to me :-*

For me, the first place that fat disappears is from the face
So I "look emancipated" :D but I have still a spare tire
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 12 February, 2010, 11:21:18 am
Wow.  Eating less + exercising more = weight loss.  Who could have guessed?  ::-)

Yes, a simple formula, but surprisingly difficult to follow consistently.  If I can repeat last week's loss regularly then there could be a svelte new me by Easter.  Then comes the hard part — staying that way.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 12 February, 2010, 01:11:28 pm
I've just dug out a pair of jeans I've not fitted into since 2006.

They fit...just.

Little things like that are a great encouragement :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 February, 2010, 10:41:50 am
Vanity has its uses.

I'm now pretty much at my target weight, having lost 5kg over 3 months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 13 February, 2010, 09:41:21 pm
I'm just at my first target weight, having lost 10 kg.  Still enough flab to comfortably set a new target :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 February, 2010, 09:44:03 pm
Well, I've been lighter.  I'm 70.5kg as of this morning.  Post-LEL I was 67kg.  I think I can still lose more fat.  The question is, should I?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SpaceBadger on 13 February, 2010, 10:03:20 pm
This might help: http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/racing-weight-book/4690.html (http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/racing-weight-book/4690.html).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 February, 2010, 10:23:06 pm
Hmm, could be interesting.  I'm about the same weight as a typical pro cyclist, but I'm not quite as lean yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 14 February, 2010, 01:34:59 pm
Something we haven't mentioned is the extra amount of energy used this time of year, just keeping warm.

Doing a 200km audax keeps me outside for the best part of ten hours. Ten hours outside in temperatures close to freezing must surely be a challenge to the (already challenged) constitution. I wonder how much energy is used on a winter ride compared to a summer one - 10% more, 20%?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 14 February, 2010, 05:37:22 pm
Interesting question ...
Certainly, if you feel cold at times, then you're probably using a lot of calories to keep warm. [from an experiential viewpoint, this certainly explains why the cold weather rides _seem_ harder].
HOWEVER on hot days you use a lot of calories to keep _cool_ !

So I don't think it's a clear win.

Also, it would be more constructive to use your energy to fuel your muscles (i.e. you'd get some more training benefit). Perhaps try wearing heavier warmer clothes? :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 14 February, 2010, 06:34:25 pm
Perhaps try wearing heavier warmer clothes? :P

No. Absolutely no.

Inuit saying: "Sweat, you die."

OK, so we aren't messing about in -40C (except perhaps those north of Doncaster) and we aren't going to die, but the same principle holds true. I feel much colder sometimes wearing more layers (but sweating) compared to, for example, today when I rode for ninety minutes wearing a T-shirt and a waterproof with an outside temperature of 4C.

Less clothing == Less sweat == warmer, I reckon.

But even after all that - it must cost the body more to maintain optimum conditions when it's 2C compared to 20C.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 14 February, 2010, 06:50:26 pm
But even after all that - it must cost the body more to maintain optimum conditions when it's 2C compared to 20C.
Yes; the 'perfect cycling temperature" would also require the least energy. I imagine a few velodromes have been precisely setup for Perfect Hour Record Temperature.

But how many summer rides do you do without sweating?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 14 February, 2010, 06:56:05 pm
Producing sweat and creating heat are different things.

Converting energy from one form (sugar) to another form (heat) is one thing - using energy (sugar) to drive a metabolic process (sweating) is another.

Which uses the most energy? Dunno - but I bet it's the heat one, not the sweat one :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 14 February, 2010, 07:02:32 pm
Chaps, this is a weight loss discussion thread. Sweating is not  a good way to lose weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 14 February, 2010, 07:06:52 pm
Chaps, this is a weight loss discussion thread. Sweating is not  a good way to lose weight.

We're not talking about sweat per se, we're talking about the energy used to make it. Highly pertinent to weight loss. So nyaaah...  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 14 February, 2010, 07:11:25 pm
Chaps, this is a weight loss discussion thread. Sweating is not  a good way to lose weight.
Well, I think we've established that

weight loss = calories burned - calories eaten;

what are we going to discuss for the next 63 pages? :)

[Black bin bags worked for Tony Adams ... ]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 16 February, 2010, 02:56:26 pm
But even after all that - it must cost the body more to maintain optimum conditions when it's 2C compared to 20C.

Are you sure? When cycling the human body is roughly 25% efficient, a large chunk of energy is wasted in generating heat. The body uses more energy (via sweating and other processes) to cool the body. Exercising in cold conditions may mean less energy is required to keep the body from overheating.

Bah, just read mattc's post saying pretty much the same thing.

Efficiency may be an important discussion for Audaxing and weight loss, but isn't a factor for hour attempts.

The air in a velodrome is heated for an hour record to reduce drag (warmer air offers less resistance). Human body efficiency isn't a concern for an hour record as efficiency doesn't affect the maximum sustainable power output. Maximum sustainable power should be the same regardless of temperature (within reasonable bounds), if it's not then the drop in maximum sustainable power should be less than the benefit gained from lower drag otherwise they simply wouldn't heat the velodromes for hour records. And for an hour record, maximum sustainable power is all that matters; given the choice of 500W at 25% efficiency or 505W at 23% efficiency you know which one an athlete would pick if he wanted to break the hour record...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 February, 2010, 03:00:35 pm
On Saturday I think I wasn't that far from hypothermia.  Probably was expending energy to keep warm; wasn't cycling all that hard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 February, 2010, 03:09:21 pm
So why are winter rides harder then?

I find a 10 hour ride at 2c much harder than at 20c. And if you say it's because of air density, I won't believe you - I don't go fast enough for that to be a factor  ;D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 February, 2010, 03:11:04 pm
More layers of clothing => more wind resistance is one possibility.  Jackets in particular.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 16 February, 2010, 03:15:36 pm
More layers of clothing => more wind resistance is one possibility.  Jackets in particular.


More weight too. Muscles constricted by leggings.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 16 February, 2010, 04:13:26 pm
So why are winter rides harder then?

I find a 10 hour ride at 2c much harder than at 20c. And if you say it's because of air density, I won't believe you - I don't go fast enough for that to be a factor  ;D.

As others have suggested, extra clothing means extra weight and extra resistance. Plus you need to warm yourself up after being stopped for any length of time.

I'd guess a plot of 'ease of ride vs temperature' would look like a bell curve, and that the optimum lies somewhere between 2oC and 20oC and probably closer to 2oC than 20oC.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 February, 2010, 04:25:19 pm
Hmm... not convinced. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 16 February, 2010, 04:46:53 pm
So why are winter rides harder then?

I find a 10 hour ride at 2c much harder than at 20c. And if you say it's because of air density, I won't believe you - I don't go fast enough for that to be a factor  ;D.

As others have suggested, extra clothing means extra weight and extra resistance. Plus you need to warm yourself up after being stopped for any length of time.

I'd guess a plot of 'ease of ride vs temperature' would look like a bell curve, and that the optimum lies somewhere between 2oC and 20oC and probably closer to 2oC than 20oC.
For you maybe! I'd put it somewhere in the teens. :)

For any rider, it's probably about the temperature at which you take arm-warmers off. You also want a min-temp for the ride that isn't low enough to carry loads of clothes with you. Ideally!

Wind-chill plays a big factor. Of course wind costs you time anyway, but I find wind-chill makes it more difficult to get a nice stable temperature, as it varies so quickly through the day.

[that's a good geek Hour Record Fact about the warm velodromes.]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 16 February, 2010, 04:52:14 pm
Hmm... not convinced. :)

A ride at -20oC is a lot harder than one at 2oC. Ice excepted (please no-one start that crap again).

A ride at 20oC is going to feel a lot easier than the same one at 40oC.

You can visualise what the graph looks like. Given it's rising on the left hand side and falling on the right hand side it's got to plateau at some point between the two.

I don't think there's much point arguing about an exact figure given the subjective nature of 'ease of ride', individuals are vastly different. I can cope with vast ranges of temperatures with either shorts/ss-jersey (riding South towards Eskdalemuir in the maelstrom) and rides like the Severn Across where I didn't add or remove a layer during the entire ride despite it going from near freezing to 15oC and back down to near freezing over the 24 hours; my leggings, leg warmers, base layer, long sleeve jersey and jacket stayed on the entire time (I seem to remember you commenting about this at Stow-In-The-Wold).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 February, 2010, 08:32:18 am
Well, despite being on new medication which (among other unpleasant side effects) makes me nauseous whenever my stomach is empty, forcing me to eat even more frequently than I did before, I have shed a kilo.
Maybe it's also boosting my metabolism? Result!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 22 February, 2010, 09:01:27 am
Ach !

The scales have broke.

They were fine last time I used them; got on them today and found them very variable - 3 consecutive weighs varying by 2 kg - and when I picked them up they rattled and bits of plastic fell out.  Not good.

I've just taken them apart, and the 4 pads that sit between the top plate and the pressure transducers have disintegrated.  I suspect it's just age.

Anyway, new ones just ordered, should be here in time for Wednesday.  I wonder if they'll make a difference...I bet that most bathroom scales are not inherently accurate, even if they're pretty self-consistent.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 22 February, 2010, 11:04:03 am
Ach !

The scales have broke.

I'm impressed - 2 hours and no-one has taken this bait :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 22 February, 2010, 11:07:31 am
Ach !

The scales have broke.

I'm impressed - 2 hours and no-one has taken this bait :)

Have you seen how much he's cycling, and how much weight he's lost?

We're all a bit scared of him  ;).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 February, 2010, 11:09:02 am
Ah, but has he really lost that weight, or is it just the scales? ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 22 February, 2010, 12:49:58 pm
I only have myself to blame

4 pounds up this week, but after a weekend of dinner in the pub, Little Chef breakfast (we were staying in a TravelLodge) and Mrs C's rather good home made pasties for lunch I can't say I'm surprised.

Actually getting onto a bike might help, but there's a rant brewing about that!  >:( >:(

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 February, 2010, 01:24:29 pm
After over indulgence midweek I'm down to 69kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 23 February, 2010, 09:42:02 am
Ah, but has he really lost that weight, or is it just the scales? ;)

well, the new ones just arrived and agree with the (temporarily patched up, using piles of 2p pieces) old ones to within 1/2 kg, which for bathroom scales is probably reasonable.  The new ones read slightly higher, but I think the 2ps are not quite as accurate as they should be ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 10 March, 2010, 10:50:09 am
At least I've not put any weight on this week, which is what I had feared.  Must start making inroads.  Back to commuting should be helping.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 10 March, 2010, 11:14:19 am
I am back to 81Kg, I had a reading of 77.8Kg last week but I think that was a blip :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 10 March, 2010, 11:16:17 am
I'm back to the exact same weight I was in 2007 when I was training hard for the Etape, unlike that year I'm hoping not to slacken off next month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 March, 2010, 11:19:40 am
Like a couple of others here I think, I am fighting The Hunger post audax. My weight has stayed roughly the same - but that hides what's going on underneath - the Tanita scales now have me at 17% BF, which is a ridiculous reading, and is completely influenced by my legs being full of water-based metabolic junk resulting from 600km of cycling last week.

Once things calm down and get cleaned up, I would expect my BF reading to go back up to 20%, and my weight to come down by (possibly) up to 2Kg.

All I have to do is resist the call of The Bakery  :facepalm:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 March, 2010, 11:25:48 am
I'm stuck on 70.5kg with the bf reading of 16%. I think that's possibly a bit high.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 16 March, 2010, 06:41:04 am
Tomorrow will be bad news day   :-[ :-[

But we had a fantastic long week end with the whole family in a rented converted barn, every couple cooked 1 main meal and there were 3 birthday cakes.  It would have been rude to skimp on the offerings.

This was the first time we had all been under 1 roof since I do not know when.  Fantastic time so now it is back on to the streight and narrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 17 March, 2010, 06:29:57 am
As expected

Back to the start of the year.   :'( :'(

But it was a fantastic week end with the family :thumbsup:

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 17 March, 2010, 10:04:01 am
Slight move in the right direction this week, but it's slow progress.

I'm still heavier than at the start of the year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 17 March, 2010, 01:23:33 pm

I'm still heavier than at the start of the year.

I am relieved that I am not alone in my lack of loss
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nicknack on 17 March, 2010, 01:36:14 pm
No, you're definitely not alone.  :(

Heart's not in it at the mo.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 March, 2010, 05:40:50 pm
Bleugh. Didn't think I'd been that greedy...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oaky on 17 March, 2010, 05:54:09 pm
My target is most definitely out of sight as I haven't budged significantly since the start and still have >4.8kg to go before the end of March.

Unless... what if I chop my head off... would that do it?  How much does a head weigh?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 March, 2010, 06:06:41 pm
Pigs heads weigh approx 8kg.

I'm not sure this is in any way relevant.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 17 March, 2010, 06:20:16 pm
At 73kg at the moment, that's pretty heavy for me.  It should all slough off in the next month as I go back on full weeks after the change to DST.

Funnily enough it doesn't seem to be the cycling that affects my weight nearly as much as the skating.  Teaching is mostly fairly low intensity and long duration, and has a much bigger effect on both my weight and my sensitivity to insulin.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 17 March, 2010, 11:11:15 pm
Stress, poor diet and lack of exercise seem to be the way forward - that's my lowest weight all year.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 March, 2010, 02:16:28 am
Pigs heads weigh approx 8kg.

I'm not sure this is in any way relevant.

Depends how many you have stuffed in your pockets when you weigh yourself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 18 March, 2010, 09:43:59 am
Hmmm.

Currently 175.5 lbs, 22% body fat (that's according to my Tanita, and that's my measurements first thing this morning)

Need to lose about 20lbs.

I believe I can safely lose that weight over 10 weeks at 2lbs a week.

In the next 10 weeks I have a marathon to run, my girlfriend is leaving me home alone for a couple weeks while she visits her folks, and my dad is off travelling for a few months.  I think it's the best shot of losing weight I've had in ages.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 March, 2010, 09:59:41 pm
Urgh. Having lost loads of body fat I can feel lots of little lumps just under the skin in the groin area. That'll be the nylon mesh holding my bowels in place.  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 24 March, 2010, 03:38:26 pm
A deliberate week off the weight loss for me, and also a quiet week in terms of cycling.  I've been overdoing both and need a respite before the Easter Arrow.

I've hit my 2nd target weight, and I don't want to loose much more now.  Maybe a kg or 2 max, slowly over the summer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 24 March, 2010, 03:43:16 pm
A deliberate week off the weight loss for me, and also a quiet week in terms of cycling.  I've been overdoing both and need a respite before the Easter Arrow.

I've hit my 2nd target weight, and I don't want to loose much more now.  Maybe a kg or 2 max, slowly over the summer.

Pretty impressive show - to lose 15Kg in fairly short order. Good Work  :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 24 March, 2010, 03:45:15 pm
The Mille Cymru terrefieth me ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: oncemore on 24 March, 2010, 03:54:36 pm
"and I don't want to loose much more now"

Go on, let it loose wherever you wish!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 24 March, 2010, 04:00:02 pm
Whooops

;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: oncemore on 24 March, 2010, 04:09:42 pm
Sorry - couldn't resist!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 March, 2010, 05:07:09 pm
69.5kg here. All's well and good. Ate lots of chips last night so did a couple of hours on the bike. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 29 March, 2010, 06:17:31 pm
Heh

It's just been pointed out to me that 31 March was missing off the weight reports template

There's a place for it though, so you'll just have to put the date in as well as the weight this week, below the 24 March numbers.

Sorry about that  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 March, 2010, 06:26:04 pm
Heh, I got the number of weeks in each month from that. Script will have a bug til I fix it. Not that it's rolled out yet because of been busy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andygates on 29 March, 2010, 08:35:50 pm
Start of year - 103kg, mid-20s %bodyfat; yesterday 93kg, 15%.  Happy am I.  Methodology: enter an online shape-up challenge, develop a gym habit, break the bulk (heh) with a ridiculous shakes-and-supps diet then learn to count and record every damn calorie (plus the revelation that "sedentary"+HRM burn = truth, not "active"+burn).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 30 March, 2010, 03:05:36 pm
Stress, poor diet and lack of exercise seem to be the way forward - that's my lowest weight all year.  :-\

Until the stress drops, then u grow again  :-X
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 31 March, 2010, 07:48:52 am
Woo Hoo. BMI < 25 for the first time in, oh, 10 years?

I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Charlotte on 31 March, 2010, 08:08:17 am
Nice work, Slim  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 31 March, 2010, 10:44:53 am
Well done you. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 31 March, 2010, 10:45:45 am
Woo Hoo. BMI < 25 for the first time in, oh, 10 years?

I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT  :thumbsup:.

AWESOME!!!!!!   *High-5*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 31 March, 2010, 10:49:11 am
Well done big man! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 31 March, 2010, 11:42:27 am
Nice work :)

It's a big psychological boost, isn't it ?

I do remain a bit sceptical of BMI as applied to cyclists though; when I was at about 25 I didn't feel (or I think look) "overweight"

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vistaed on 31 March, 2010, 12:07:25 pm
Nice work :)

It's a big psychological boost, isn't it ?

I do remain a bit sceptical of BMI as applied to cyclists though; when I was at about 25 I didn't feel (or I think look) "overweight"



I completely agree! I have a BMI of around 28 so I'm overweight, sure I could lose a few pounds but according to BMI I should to be under 11st 5lbs to be at the top end of 'Normal'. I've never been anywhere near that weight in my adult life, and I can only go under 12 1/2 stone by developing an eating disorder (which I did once). So I’ve learnt to ignore BMI and my weight and just monitor my trouser size, resting heart rate and sport performances.  I’m doing alright at the moment, despite having a BMI of 28.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 31 March, 2010, 12:15:52 pm
Woo Hoo. BMI < 25 for the first time in, oh, 10 years?

I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT  :thumbsup:.

Excellent work, I haven't been BMI < 25 for about 10 years too. I almost almost almost got to that point at some point last year, but I'm back up to ~27 with my lack of cycling this year.

Plan is be 'Normal' again this summer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 March, 2010, 01:52:55 pm
Good work Chris :)

My bmi is probably under 21 now. I'll try to keep it over 20.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 31 March, 2010, 01:57:47 pm
Mine's just about 23.  I don't really want it to get below 22.  Different build, I guess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 31 March, 2010, 02:02:54 pm
Thanks for the encouragement folks  :D.

Next goal is 80Kg, which I think I will then try and maintain. The "ideal" graph for my height suggests I should be about 76Kg, but I have cyclist's legs, so I reckon 80Kg is fine.

Of course - I could still go for composition change. My BF% is around 19% - which sounds too much to me, but I don't really know what's ideal for a middle aged chap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 31 March, 2010, 02:06:39 pm
Thanks for the encouragement folks  :D.

Next goal is 80Kg, which I think I will then try and maintain. The "ideal" graph for my height suggests I should be about 76Kg, but I have cyclist's legs, so I reckon 80Kg is fine.

Which cyclist ? Sir Chris Hoy or Michael Rasmussen ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 31 March, 2010, 02:08:58 pm
Thanks for the encouragement folks  :D.

Next goal is 80Kg, which I think I will then try and maintain. The "ideal" graph for my height suggests I should be about 76Kg, but I have cyclist's legs, so I reckon 80Kg is fine.

Which cyclist ? Sir Chris Hoy or Michael Rasmussen ?

Hehe - good point. This one:

*points at legs*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 31 March, 2010, 02:14:52 pm
For a BMI of 25 I just need to put on 5" (stop sniggering at the back).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 31 March, 2010, 03:40:05 pm
My BF% is around 19%

I'd like to get mine measured - properly. Dunno where to go, though...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 31 March, 2010, 03:41:13 pm
Aye. I only need 13cm ::)
But MV said (and it's comforting to believe him) that BMI is most inaccurate for middle aged lady cyclists, and that's me. Still wish I was a whippet though
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 31 March, 2010, 03:44:08 pm
To get my BMI to be 25 I need to put on 8kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vistaed on 31 March, 2010, 04:32:48 pm
It's happened, I know that I should of stayed away from this thread, i've read around all things related to it on the forum and now I feel fat and depressed next to race whippets I normally see on bikes. Bugger  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 31 March, 2010, 04:39:01 pm
Given your performance on the Dean, I think you have little to worry about :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vistaed on 31 March, 2010, 04:58:00 pm
Given your performance on the Dean, I think you have little to worry about :)

Yes I know but, but, but  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 31 March, 2010, 06:21:45 pm
I think I might trade a couple of kg for the instant ability to ride that in 12 hours :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 31 March, 2010, 06:25:57 pm
Heck, I'd trade 5 inches!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 31 March, 2010, 06:27:36 pm
Heck, I'd trade 5 inches!

and I know that's a promise you don't make to just anyone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 31 March, 2010, 06:28:57 pm
Heck, I'd trade 5 inches!

and I know that's a promise you don't make to just anyone.

LOL! I was furiously tapping a response too (involving Regulator) - but Manotea had swiftly edited the original wording...  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 31 March, 2010, 06:30:10 pm
but Manotea had swiftly edited the original wording...  ;D


Indeed.  I wasn't quite fast enough to reply whilst it still said

"Heck, he could have my 5 inches"

 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 April, 2010, 01:25:43 pm
Today's weight: 68.3kg.  Hangover may have caused some dehydration though.  I didn't manage to eat/drink enough yesterday to make up for the calories burned on my info hunt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wobbly John on 04 April, 2010, 11:14:41 pm
Well, I'm not going to make my target of 82kg by the start of the TT season (Tuesday).  >:(

It's my own stupid fault for trying to leave it to the last minute to drop the last few kilos.

I was down to 84.5kg last weekend, but  dropping 3 kg in 5 days, gave me jelly legs when I tried mtb'ing. Since then I've piled the weight back on as I just felt the need to eat to restore stamina.

I could have made my target, and knowing that makes me more depressed and then I'm eating more.  >:(

I need to put a decent time in on Tuesday night's time trial, now to give me the drive to get the weight down and improve on last years times.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 April, 2010, 11:35:56 pm
There's no rush. Nice and slow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 07 April, 2010, 03:53:10 pm
Lost 200g.

If weigh in day were yesterday, I'd have lost 1kg.  And I didn't eat a great deal in between ???

I'll get there.

Eventually.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jord on 07 April, 2010, 04:40:44 pm
I had a wonderful Easter in Brugge and watching the Tour of Flanders and have not had the courage to get on the scales yet as the Belgium food was just amazing :) or should it be :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 07 April, 2010, 06:56:23 pm
the Belgium food was just amazing :) or should it be :(
It does tend to be a bit calorific, doesn't it!

As for me, I'm still as heavy as my heaviest last year.  Don't think MrsC and I are taking this quite seriously enough

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 07 April, 2010, 07:12:22 pm
I'm not going to get a chance to weigh in till Friday, which might give the Easter chocolate time to dissipate :-[. I've been at work since yesterday morning and the scales here seem to be in need of either batteries or surgery, not sure which. ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 April, 2010, 09:03:18 pm
I'm currently giving the calorie deficit/diary a rest as I'm between tough audaxes (Easter Arrow last week, Dorset Coast 200 this week) and didn't think it wise to go into either of these events on a deficit. After the weekend, I'll be back on programme.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 07 April, 2010, 09:25:29 pm
I lost more than I wanted last week after being ill at the end of the 300 perm I did.  Since then I've been stuffing my face, and despite riding the Arrow I have (as I planned) lost no weight at all :)

Interestingly, I did my lumpy Knighton perm again today (4km of climbing) and knocked 1.5 hours off the usual time.  That's the effect of being (over)fed...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andygates on 08 April, 2010, 06:27:19 am
Sweet Jesus, biscuits are evil. :o

Time for another lettuce-and-long-way-round day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 08 April, 2010, 12:49:45 pm
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts

The numbers say I need to loose 800g by next wednesday, which is unlikely.   I do need to push it in the right direction however.

So yesterday for lunch I had a tin of tuna+ricecakes+yoghurt and today I've had miso soup+ricecakes+yoghurt
As I did a "training" style ride in this morning I also had 40g of maltodextrine when I got to work.

Good job I like tuna and miso soup  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 08 April, 2010, 12:57:36 pm
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts

Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m

1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules

So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 08 April, 2010, 01:16:04 pm
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts

Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m

1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules

So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.

To look at it another way, to maintain audax minimum pace (13.333kph) and using the 160W figure

At 81kg you be good on a 3.7% slope
At 78kg you'd be good on 3.85% slope

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 09 April, 2010, 02:02:07 pm
Weigh in 2 days late = only gained 600grams over Easter, which wasn't as bad as it could have been.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 09 April, 2010, 02:42:55 pm
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts

Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m

1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules

So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.

Try it on here

http://analyticcycling.com/ForcesLessWeight_Page.html

This Much Less Weight    3     kg
Over This Distance    250000    meters
On Hill of Slope    0.054    Decimal
Faster by    2595.70    s
Ahead by    7316.70    m
Frontal Area    0.5    m^2
Coefficient Wind Drag    0.5    Dimensionless
Air Density    1.226    kg/m^3
Weight Rider & Bike    96    kg
Rolling Coefficient    0.005    Dimensionless
Power    160    watts

I assume that the actual climbing on the 1,000km will be 250km of "up"

To get 13,500 metres height gain requires a slope of 5.4%

2595 seconds is 43 minutes 15 seconds is just the time gained on the climbs over the imaginary 250km

I honestly thought it would be more than that!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on 10 April, 2010, 11:32:38 am
I have tried this formula and based on the combined weight of me and the bike, it seems I will finish the MC 1000 just within 7 days.

Oh well.

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 12 April, 2010, 09:52:04 pm
Right. 86kg on the scales the other week (up from my usual weight of 80kg). Probably something to do with the fact I hadn't been out on the bike for 2 months.

2 months until the Snowdon and Coast 400 with a few hills.
2 months to lose 6kg, ideally 10kg but very unlikely.
2 months to get cycling fit again for a 400km ride.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on 13 April, 2010, 08:17:12 am

Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m

1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules

So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.


Try it on here

http://analyticcycling.com/ForcesLessWeight_Page.html

This Much Less Weight    3     kg
Over This Distance    250000    meters
On Hill of Slope    0.054    Decimal
Faster by    2595.70    s
Ahead by    7316.70    m
Frontal Area    0.5    m^2
Coefficient Wind Drag    0.5    Dimensionless
Air Density    1.226    kg/m^3
Weight Rider & Bike    96    kg
Rolling Coefficient    0.005    Dimensionless
Power    160    watts

I assume that the actual climbing on the 1,000km will be 250km of "up"

To get 13,500 metres height gain requires a slope of 5.4%

2595 seconds is 43 minutes 15 seconds is just the time gained on the climbs over the imaginary 250km

I honestly thought it would be more than that!


Enough of this fretting about weight loss; If I deduct the weight of my bike, I can ride it even faster! :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 April, 2010, 12:41:02 am
The 6kg I've lost equates to 1h15 or so.

If I also lose another 2kg as planned, I've saved 1h40.

I'd be 20km ahead of the fatter me.

Not only that, but my FSA has reduced also (by how much I do not know) which gets me along on the flat a bit quicker.  My FSA was already lower than the model default.

And I've increased my fitness.

No worries.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wobbly John on 16 April, 2010, 11:25:18 am
It was Italian night at the pub last night.

Did I really eat 2 kg of pasta?  :o >:( :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 April, 2010, 11:10:45 am
Hmm... I spot a trend. I've taken my eye off the ball a wee bit these last couple of weeks, and it's beginning to show.

Time for some more deprivation  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 April, 2010, 11:27:54 am
Factoid from that racing weight book:

 - people lose an extra 1lb for every 11 times they weigh themselves in a year

(Obviously this rule can't be extended toooo far...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oaky on 30 April, 2010, 01:37:04 pm
(Obviously this rule can't be extended toooo far...)

hehe :) I'd have disappeared totally some time in 2008 if you could extrapolate that indefinitely!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 30 April, 2010, 01:39:14 pm
On my usual month long plateau when restarting the weight loss exercise. Lots of effort and not much reward this early on...

Second 5-a-side night starting again in a couple of weeks' time. That should help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 05 May, 2010, 10:15:32 am
Got back down below where I've been since mid-Feb.  All good progress, but I am on steroids right now, which might cause issues for the next couple of weeks. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 05 May, 2010, 10:51:00 am
Weight has gone up by a kilo post Brevet Cymru
Hopefully this is just a blip
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 05 May, 2010, 01:52:02 pm
Finally going down again after a month.

I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate

 ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 05 May, 2010, 02:04:16 pm
Chocolate's nice, thobut ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 11 May, 2010, 11:06:52 am
I am fighting The Hunger post audax.

<kang>
I EAT ALL!
</kang>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 12 May, 2010, 04:55:07 pm
Increased spring mileage, and decreased junk consumption => lifetime PB, under 23 BMI. (despite no calorie counting, loads of red wine and dark chocolate)

Which still seems silly - allegedly I'm still 6-7 pounds above mid-range. WTF?!?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 May, 2010, 05:40:36 pm
Increased spring mileage, and decreased junk consumption => lifetime PB, under 23 BMI. (despite no calorie counting, loads of red wine and dark chocolate)

Which still seems silly - allegedly I'm still 6-7 pounds above mid-range. WTF?!?

Well, I think that the issue here is the population has become fatter but the ranges have not changed.  This leads to people's attitudes about normal weight being distorted.  My BMI has never been as high as 23 (though it was close late last year).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 02 June, 2010, 09:21:08 pm
I have lost some weight since I started cycling again after my fractured ischium. I weigh 75kg now, the calculators put my BMI at 21.8
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: pixieannie on 02 June, 2010, 09:25:20 pm
Hmmm.  I'm half a stone heavier then I was this time last year.  Steroids for pain relief are partly to blame.  I'm not too bothered but just need to stop diving into the chocolate bowl. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 June, 2010, 09:29:59 pm
I'm about the same weight I was this time last year.

In between I put on a stone and was told off for being too fat at the fitness test I did in November.  I did the calorie counting thing, but riding a nearly 1500 miles last month has made that a bit redundant.

Ideally I should be about 68kg so I will have to keep at it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 02 June, 2010, 09:31:10 pm
Chocalate covered pixie:sounds rather tasty ;)

Hmmm.  I'm half a stone heavier then I was this time last year.  Steroids for pain relief are partly to blame.  I'm not too bothered but just need to stop diving into the chocolate bowl
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 02 June, 2010, 09:34:10 pm
I'm about the same weight I was this time last year.

In between I put on a stone and was told off for being too fat at the fitness test I did in November.  I did the calorie counting thing, but riding a nearly 1500 miles last month has made that a bit redundant.

Ideally I should be about 68kg so I will have to keep at it.


I;d like to be 72kg, I feel best at that weight but it's very difficult to stay at  72 so I don't really try. (Denying myself treats affects my mental state too much) I was weight lifting all winter so I may have increased muscle mass anyway. 75kg is OK for someone my age and height.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 June, 2010, 09:38:41 pm
I'm about the same weight I was this time last year.

In between I put on a stone and was told off for being too fat at the fitness test I did in November.  I did the calorie counting thing, but riding a nearly 1500 miles last month has made that a bit redundant.

Ideally I should be about 68kg so I will have to keep at it.


I;d like to be 72kg, I feel best at that weight but it's very difficult to stay at  72 so I don't really try. (Denying myself treats affects my mental state too much) I was weight lifting all winter so I may have increased muscle mass anyway. 75kg is OK for someone my age and height.

There is nothing wrong with 75kg at all.  However I was being compared to elite cyclists, not normal people.  In fact my weight wasn't so much the issue (it was about average for elite cyclists) it was body fat %.  It's that I'm trying to reduce, not muscle mass.  I think the milage I've done recently has developed muscle mass in my legs, however.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on 02 June, 2010, 09:58:41 pm
Everyone in the office thinks I look fairly thin and can't believe what I actually weigh; my BMI is 24.  I'd like to get it down to 23 for a bit of added climbability, but anything less and I will start to look haggard.  Waist is about 32", chest about 39", so not exactly lardy.  Heavy skeleton, apparently.

I've dropped 3lb in the last ten days on my "don't have another bar of chocolate in the afternoon" diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 June, 2010, 08:06:57 pm
According to Wii Fit, I'm a stone lighter than I was at the start of January. Mind you, I was the heaviest I've ever been five months ago - just over 14 stone. Even better, I can get into a 34" waist again without feeling uncomfortable. :thumbsup:

Target is 12 stone by the end of this year.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on 04 June, 2010, 08:19:49 pm
When I saw the doctor a couple of weeks ago I asked if she could do a body fat test on me as I thought it would be interesting to see what I am, turns out that they don't do them and rely solely on BMI.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 04 June, 2010, 08:47:59 pm
Body fat tests require a degree of skill and experience to be meaningful.  It's not something a GP practice would normally be able to do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 09 June, 2010, 01:37:42 pm
It seems that despite the discovery of a recipe for honey ice cream, I haven't actually gained weight. I feel that this is quite positive ;D. I might need to work a little harder on losing it though. :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 09 June, 2010, 01:43:13 pm
Am back on the old fat-fighters scheme - lack of week-end cycling and sedentary life-style means that some of the old weight has come back on  :(. The main reason and motivation for losing weight is that my sister is getting married in September and I do not want to be a lardy bridesmaid  :thumbsup: So far I have lost four pounds!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 09 June, 2010, 01:56:47 pm
Am back on the old fat-fighters scheme - lack of week-end cycling and sedentary life-style means that some of the old weight has come back on  :(. The main reason and motivation for losing weight is that my sister is getting married in September and I do not want to be a lardy bridesmaid  :thumbsup: So far I have lost four pounds!

Cool :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 June, 2010, 02:09:53 pm
My weight is static. Not as static as threeps' though.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 09 June, 2010, 02:31:34 pm
My weight is static. Not as static as threeps' though.  ::-)
At least we'll know if he starts falling apart and losing his bearings - 44kg... 43kg...

 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 09 June, 2010, 02:34:06 pm
I think he has a screw loose.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 June, 2010, 02:36:53 pm
My weight is static.

If I was your weight, I'd be very happy for it to be static.

Quote
Not as static as threeps' though.  ::-)

I don't believe he's telling the truth - all that metal...

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 June, 2010, 02:57:35 pm
My weight is static.

If I was your weight, I'd be very happy for it to be static.

Quote
Not as static as threeps' though.  ::-)

I don't believe he's telling the truth - all that metal...


d.


Quite - and afaict though my weight hasn't really moved apart from short term fluctuations for a couple of months, I think my body composition has. I.e. More muscle mass in my legs, less fat in the upper body. I had a similar though less extreme thing last summer when I was asked by the physio if I had lost weight. I hadn't but looked thinner.

As for threeps, does he not know about the dangers of static?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 10 June, 2010, 10:23:58 am
Am back on the old fat-fighters scheme - lack of week-end cycling and sedentary life-style means that some of the old weight has come back on  :(. The main reason and motivation for losing weight is that my sister is getting married in September and I do not want to be a lardy bridesmaid  :thumbsup: So far I have lost four pounds!

Cool :thumbsup:

Thanks J  :thumbsup: I know its only 4lbs but my clothes are feeling looser and getting back into my Size 12 jeans is very nice!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 June, 2010, 12:27:53 pm
I've been giving much thought recently to the issue of calories in vs calories out. I don't do "diets" but I do understand the basic principle that to lose weight, you have to consume fewer calories than you expend - ie what you eat isn't nearly as important a consideration as how much of it you eat. Thing is, I didn't have a clue how many calories I'm expending, nor really how many I'm consuming.

So I did a bit of googling and turned up this interesting blog:
How to Determine Your Body's Daily Calorie Needs (http://www.healthrecipes.com/calories.htm)

I don't know what the author's scientific credentials are but it all sounds plausible enough. I used the "Harris Benedict formula" he gives to calculate my base metabolic rate, and from that my daily calorie requirement.

Apparently, at my current level of exercise, I need to consume around 2,800 calories daily just to maintain my current body weight. Interesting. That's rather more than I expected.

So I didn't feel guilty about treating myself to a large roll stuffed with two huge sausages for breakfast this morning.  ;D

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Rykard on 10 June, 2010, 12:38:06 pm
that's an interesting web page - thanks
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on 12 June, 2010, 09:52:37 pm
I lost another kilogram last week, 74kg now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 June, 2010, 07:23:58 am
I'm putting weight on. This is mostly because I'm quite cheerful, and so have been baking, which I like.
But then I eat the cakes and biscuits, discover that 170miles a week (average so far this year) is not enough to burn it off.
There aren't enough hours in the day for me to ride more, so I'm going to have to start restricting the intake.

Anyone for coffee and walnut cake, chocolate fudge, shrewsbury biscuits and maple syrup muffins? That's just what's hanging around the kitchen today.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 June, 2010, 09:07:19 am
I haven't altered my diet much, but I am at last losing weight again.  Still 600g over my starting weight :( and 800g over my lowest this year, but it's going the right way, and I want that to continue.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 16 June, 2010, 09:20:02 am
Going back the right way, now I'm looking at it again. Under 18 stone now.

Might go back up a bit this weekend though, I'm expecting to get the hunger after all the riding I'll be doing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 June, 2010, 02:53:49 pm
In my quest to get a better feel for how many calories there are in food, I've started using mynetdiary.com (http://mynetdiary.com). As mentioned before, I don't do "diets", and I don't want to become a calorie-counting obsessive, but as a rough guide, it seems like a good way to get a grasp on how it all works. Because I really don't have a freakin' clue.

You can log exercise as well as food (ie how many calories you're burning as well as how many you're consuming), and it gives you a daily balance sheet of calories in vs calories out, as well as breaking your food intake down into carbs/protein/fat/fibre etc.

There's a good range of preset food and exercise types in the database, but it's also customisable so you can add your own food and exercise types if you can be bothered to go into that much detail.

And it's available as an iPhone app, which is why I chose this one rather than some of the other similar sites on t'web.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 16 June, 2010, 03:03:51 pm
I'm back to making an effort with regards to my health.  It's depressing how easily one can go off the rails.  Foul mood one day, an extra bit of stress at work, little bit of comfort eating ... BANG.  In a way I'm glad I stopped monitoring my weight for a while - I have no desire to know how close I got to my post-Xmas weight.

Back on the straight and narrow now.  The calories in/out balance is getting a bit easier now, helped by the good weather.  Hopefully I can carry through the momentum for the black spots.

I'm not where I'd hoped to be by now, but at least I'm heading in the right direction.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 17 June, 2010, 11:09:28 am
Anyone for coffee and walnut cake, chocolate fudge, shrewsbury biscuits and maple syrup muffins? That's just what's hanging around the kitchen today.  ::-)

Maybe a new thread for weight gain would get more takers?  :)
Luckily for my progress I think you're too far away for me to help with that lot, but I'm now off for elevensies!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 23 June, 2010, 11:21:13 am
dooh

In the last month I put on a Kg instead of loosing a Kg

Mille Cymru in less than a month
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 June, 2010, 11:26:23 am
My weight remains static at 70.5kg.

My body fat is down to 14%.

s' ok.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 23 June, 2010, 11:31:13 am
Incredibly, down 1kg after eating pretty much 24/7 for the last week. Just need to do a 600 every weekend then.   Er, no.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on 24 June, 2010, 08:43:49 pm
Would it really annoy everyone to know that I've gone from 12st5lb to 11st10lb (yay!  20 year old race weight!) in one month, merely by not eating another bar of chocolate in the afternoon?  Metabolics - I haz 'em.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 June, 2010, 10:06:03 pm
You have an unfair advantage.

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*access denied*

Whoops!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on 25 June, 2010, 08:53:02 pm
You have an unfair advantage.

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*access denied*

Whoops!



Whoop , whoop!

104.4kg after Xmas.


99.8kg at the start of the YACF weight loss programme in January.

89.8kg this morning.


Not changed what I eat at all but lots of miles this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 June, 2010, 09:08:22 am
Six months into the year, I am, for only the second week (the last was in January) below my starting weight! :o

I hope this is a trend which will continue.  I think the habit of riding every day does make a difference.  I hope to be securely below my first target by the end of July, and still hoping for hitting the second target by the end of the year, though that would mean almost 1kg/month loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 30 June, 2010, 09:17:40 am
I think I've hit a plateau in my weight loss. After shedding a stone since the start of the year, I'm not losing it any more.

I suspect I'm getting too fit - ie it's getting too easy to ride at my normal commuting pace, so I'm not getting the same exercise value from it as I was earlier in the year. Guess I'll have to increase the effort and/or distance on my commute.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 30 June, 2010, 09:24:35 am
Forgot to weigh myself this morning. Bit depressed though as I feel like I've put a few pounds back on.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 01 July, 2010, 08:59:24 pm
I weighed myself the other day at my mums (don't own scales so never weigh myself at home)... since I bought the Very Lovely Valencia at Christmas I have lost approximately 2 1/2 stone.  2 stone (roughly) of that is since the end of March, when I started riding for fun as well as commuting.  It quite good for you, this cycling malarkey, isn't it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 01 July, 2010, 09:15:30 pm
I weighed myself the other day at my mums (don't own scales so never weigh myself at home)... since I bought the Very Lovely Valencia at Christmas I have lost approximately 2 1/2 stone.  2 stone (roughly) of that is since the end of March, when I started riding for fun as well as commuting.  It quite good for you, this cycling malarkey, isn't it?
:thumbsup: 8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 01 July, 2010, 09:19:14 pm
I declined to be weighed last night at my accidental attendance at Slimmers World ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 July, 2010, 11:13:36 pm
I declined to be weighed last night at my accidental attendance at Slimmers World ::-)

Accidental? :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 01 July, 2010, 11:25:34 pm
I'm concerned that C-3PO might be letting himself go. He's not been logging his weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 02 July, 2010, 01:31:03 am
I declined to be weighed last night at my accidental attendance at Slimmers World ::-)

Accidental? :)


From the "Have you been out today" thread on the Rides & Touring board.

Yes but...
only approx 4km down the road a banner  outside Checkley village hall says
"Keep Fit Here every Wednesday 7-9p.m"
so I think
"I'll have a butchers..."
& hang a left & go in expecting bodies to be doing all sorts of leaping & stretching & lifting & skipping.But NO..it's a Slimmers World thingybob yaddayaddayadda
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 02 July, 2010, 02:50:11 pm
I don't weight myself very often. Last time would have been a year ago, just before I started commuting further because of moving house. Back then, I was about 93kg.

I've been very sceptical about all these calories burnt calculations you get on Nokia Sporttracker and Sporttracks.

Today I weighed myself, and I am down to 76kg. I thought that might explain why those programmes suggest I've burnt such silly numbers. I changed the weight in Sporttracks, but it's still claiming I am burning >1150 calories each way on a 28.7km commute (takes an hour). That's wrong, right?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 02 July, 2010, 03:18:04 pm
I changed the weight in Sporttracks, but it's still claiming I am burning >1150 calories each way on a 28.7km commute (takes an hour). That's wrong, right?

Depends. 28.7km in an hour is pretty intense cycling - especially if it's not flat. You're pretty light though.

Seems a bit high to me. I weigh around 84Kg and average more like 25kph - and I reckon on using 500kcal/hr. Much less than most online tools, or my HRM say I do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 02 July, 2010, 03:30:04 pm
It's Cambridge - it's flat. Sporttracks reckons climb in metres is just +41.9 / -15.1. Hence I can do it in an hour :)

500 in an hour is much closer to how hungry I feel. Thanks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 July, 2010, 08:54:51 pm
I changed the weight in Sporttracks, but it's still claiming I am burning >1150 calories each way on a 28.7km commute (takes an hour). That's wrong, right?

Depends. 28.7km in an hour is pretty intense cycling - especially if it's not flat. You're pretty light though.

Seems a bit high to me. I weigh around 84Kg and average more like 25kph - and I reckon on using 500kcal/hr. Much less than most online tools, or my HRM say I do.

I was on the rowing machine the other day.  Burned 666 kcals in just under 40 minutes, so about 1030kcal/hr.

This is from the rowing machine's measurement of power rather than an estimation based on a guess, so it's likely to be fairly accurate.

Another way to look at this is that on the bike I can maintain about 200W for an hour (even after already riding 80k or so at around 170W).  200W = 200J/s => 200*3600J/hr = 720MJ/hr = 720-1000 kcal/hr (excluding BMR).

That's for a 70kg rider averaging about 29-30kph, with draughting.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 06 July, 2010, 09:01:42 am
I've gone from 11st 5lbs down to 10st 10lbs  :) Its been a combination of counting calories, drinking less wine, upping the exercise and doing lots of diy  :thumbsup: The best thing is getting back into size 12 trousers!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: pixieannie on 06 July, 2010, 09:45:27 am
I've gone from 11st 5lbs down to 10st 10lbs  :) Its been a combination of counting calories, drinking less wine, upping the exercise and doing lots of diy  :thumbsup: The best thing is getting back into size 12 trousers!

Well done  :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 06 July, 2010, 07:17:55 pm
I've gone from 11st 5lbs down to 10st 10lbs  :) Its been a combination of counting calories, drinking less wine, upping the exercise and doing lots of diy  :thumbsup: The best thing is getting back into size 12 trousers!
:thumbsup: :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 July, 2010, 07:27:19 pm
My body fat scales they say 13.2% this morning.

This (13%) was my target body fat percentage.  Unfortunately it'll go up as my body remembers what normality is again over the next day or two.  Usually it goes up by around 1% so I will be around 14% probably.

Weight is remaining stable at 70kg.  I achieve this by weekly curries to keep the calorie count high enough.  ;D

Fitness test next week will give an indication of how "real" that drop is.

(Unsurprisingly, I look and feel a lot more trim than when the scales were reading 19%).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 06 July, 2010, 07:42:18 pm
My body fat scales they say 13.2% this morning.

This (13%) was my target body fat percentage.  Unfortunately it'll go up as my body remembers what normality is again over the next day or two.  Usually it goes up by around 1% so I will be around 14% probably.

Weight is remaining stable at 70kg.  I achieve this by weekly curries to keep the calorie count high enough.  ;D

Fitness test next week will give an indication of how "real" that drop is.

(Unsurprisingly, I look and feel a lot more trim than when the scales were reading 19%).


This won't help you on the Mille Cymru y'know...

It's very windy in That Wales. You'll just blow away like a feather on the breeze.

*thinks*

YES! Like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7voy1vit6Y).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 July, 2010, 08:00:36 pm
Weight constant, body fat down, means less like feather, more like lead.  More dense, if you will.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 06 July, 2010, 08:32:09 pm
@simonp - Where did you get your goals from? Is there an ideal BMI / bodyfat % for cycling?

I haven't had my body fat % checked for years - where can you get it done? It's possible I could get it done at work, but I'd have to accept some funny looks. FWIW, my BMI was 18.8 why I got married. It's been as high as 26.6. It's currently 21.3. I'd be pleased to get it back to what it was when I got married.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 July, 2010, 09:17:35 pm
I don't think there is a single ideal. Your BMI is fine. Mine is about the same

For body fat I got it measured at anglianruakin along with a load of other stuff. I was 74kg and 18% fat.

The weight was average for elite cyclists (Pnot something I am) but body fat high. So I had a calorie restricted diet to get to 70kg and since then have just been training hard b

For the 13^ target I used an age related table from the book 'racing weight' which.  Takes into account your current fat level
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 07 July, 2010, 01:05:15 pm
6 months in and I'm exactly where I was at the beginning of January ::-). I might need to try a bit harder :facepalm:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 07 July, 2010, 01:08:15 pm
I think we both need to review cake & biscuit input :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 07 July, 2010, 01:12:04 pm
Can we change the weigh-in day to Tuesday? I was 79.9kg yesterday morning - first time under 80kg for as long as I can remember - but this morning I've put half a kilo back on. Too much dinner last night.  :-[

But that's still down on last week, so I'm happy enough.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 07 July, 2010, 01:14:36 pm
Can we change the weigh-in day to Tuesday?

You can fill in your entries on whatever day you choose to.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 07 July, 2010, 01:16:03 pm
I've been doing it on Wednesdays so far. It would be cheating if I put in yesterday's figure.  O:-)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 07 July, 2010, 01:17:55 pm
As long as you're consistent then it's not a problem, i.e. consistently put in Tuesday's weight, whatever it is.

I know there's a temptation to stick in the figure you want, it just takes discipline to put in what you've seen on your nominated day. Just remember that a higher figure this week will make next week look better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 07 July, 2010, 01:24:11 pm
For body fat I got it measured at anglianruakin along with a load of other stuff. I was 74kg and 18% fat.

My weight and fat machine reports that I am finally less than 40% fat (39.6% last measure).

I like to think its not terribly accurate...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 07 July, 2010, 01:39:56 pm
6 months in and I'm exactly where I was at the beginning of January ::-). I might need to try a bit harder :facepalm:.

You'll get there  :thumbsup: At least you have maintained and not put on any weight!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 08 July, 2010, 03:31:51 pm
The scales tell me that I have lost 1.5kg over the last 10 days.I am celebrating by scoffing a scone with clotted cream & jam.
Not sure if I should be  ;D or  :-[ or  :smug:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 08 July, 2010, 09:35:22 pm
Something good is happening.
Tonight I put the heart monitor on for the first time for a few months & had to shorten the strap:my moobs are therefore shrinking.
I am wearing a pair of shorts which now need a belt to keep them up.Previously I filled them sufficiently such that a belt was not required.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 July, 2010, 09:36:09 pm
Welcome to my world.  Jeans falling down.  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 09 July, 2010, 11:07:53 am
I bought two new pairs of jeans a while back, because the old ones were falling down.  And I always buy things in twos if I find something that fits and that I like/can put up with.

Wore one of the new pairs of jeans for the first time a few weeks later.  They're a bit generous.... I think I shall have to only buy one of anything at a time for a bit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 July, 2010, 11:21:25 am
One of my colleagues finds it incredibly amusing that I'm forever pulling my jeans up. I don't mind him taking the piss - it's a good sign.

Rather than buy new trousers, I just bought a belt.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 09 July, 2010, 11:22:20 am
I bought two new pairs of jeans a while back, because the old ones were falling down.  And I always buy things in twos if I find something that fits and that I like/can put up with.

Wore one of the new pairs of jeans for the first time a few weeks later.  They're a bit generous.... I think I shall have to only buy one of anything at a time for a bit.


Well done you - isn't that a pleasant feeling?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on 12 July, 2010, 06:20:07 pm
Downsides of losing weight: bruised gonads due to cycling shorts no longer fitting tightly.  I kid you not.  I thought I had testicular cancer at first, but have traced it to one particular pair of slightly larger shorts; it hurts for a couple of days after wearing them.  It dawned on me when I was riding out to meet Jaded the other weekend and became aware that I was...er...bouncing on the nose of the saddle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 12 July, 2010, 08:53:30 pm
 It dawned on me when I was riding out to meet Jaded the other weekend and became aware that I was...er...bouncing on the nose of the saddle.

From complaining to bragging in one post 8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 13 July, 2010, 10:18:41 am
 It dawned on me when I was riding out to meet Jaded the other weekend and became aware that I was...er...bouncing on the nose of the saddle.

From complaining to bragging in one post 8)

Bragging would be "bouncing on the top tube".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 July, 2010, 05:41:37 pm
68kg this morning.

That was my target weight.

Pity I've achieved it by being overly-stressed over the past week or so.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 19 July, 2010, 10:57:48 am
My colleague just commented that he saw me on the way into the building this morning and thought I was looking svelte. Which is nice.  :smug:

One "problem" I seem to have is quite large variations in my weight from day to day - I know a bit of fluctuation is normal, but I try to minimise that by always weighing myself at the same time of day (first thing in the morning) and it can vary by as much as +/-2kg from one day to the next. Is that normal?

Anyway, my "average" weight seems to be around the 79kg mark at the moment, so it's clearly on a downward trend.  :thumbsup:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 20 July, 2010, 11:40:39 am
My colleague just commented that he saw me on the way into the building this morning and thought I was looking svelte. Which is nice.  :smug:

One "problem" I seem to have is quite large variations in my weight from day to day - I know a bit of fluctuation is normal, but I try to minimise that by always weighing myself at the same time of day (first thing in the morning) and it can vary by as much as +/-2kg from one day to the next. Is that normal?

Anyway, my "average" weight seems to be around the 79kg mark at the moment, so it's clearly on a downward trend.  :thumbsup:

d.


Isn't it nice getting the comments - one of my IT students came up to me in the library last week and said that I had lost it from my face, which is nice!

It is quite usual for the scales to have up to 2kg variation from day to day - which can be very disconcerting!

Am 10lbs down now, but its stayed like that for 10 days ::-) I've been doing this yoga pulse DVD and it is very hard work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 21 July, 2010, 10:52:57 am
Really quite pissed off. Completely with myself. I've put weight back on, and I just can't shift it.

Usual excuses. Stressed at work, stressed at home, not been on the bike enough.

When it comes down to it, I'm just eating too much, and too much of the wrong thing. Which depresses me.

Quote from: yoda
"Once you start down the cake path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume it you will."
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 21 July, 2010, 11:09:32 am
Finally, after seven months, I have achieved my first weight loss target for the year.  I started at 95.6kg and have finally got below 95kg.  Not a very great achievement, but it's there.

Oh, there is another target, if I can lose another 5kg by the end of the year ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 21 July, 2010, 12:39:18 pm

 ::-)
When it comes down to it, I'm just eating too much, and too much of the wrong thing. Which depresses me.



we are on the same diet atm but my better half has begun a campaign of tough-love .
She's magic :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 21 July, 2010, 08:10:33 pm
Finally, after seven months, I have achieved my first weight loss target for the year.  I started at 95.6kg and have finally got below 95kg.  Not a very great achievement, but it's there.

Oh, there is another target, if I can lose another 5kg by the end of the year ;D
:thumbsup: :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 22 July, 2010, 01:11:09 pm
Lost another .5kg in the last 8 days. BMI has dropped to 20.6. Spoke to a couple of researchers whose work is in the area of diet and self-monitoring. It would be interesting to get a grip on the mechanism behind it, and the extent to which it can be manipulated without ill-effects.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 27 July, 2010, 03:42:10 pm
I last weighed myself 7 days ago: I was 91.5kg
Today I am 90 kg.
Four days were spent helping at an audax event.
Q.E.D. ,Audax is good for you
 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 29 July, 2010, 07:55:33 pm
Weight is static, which isn't bad given I've eaten well and cycled once this week. Actually, for "eaten well" read "holding a half eaten chocolate digestive while on the scales", so doing as well as static is pretty good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 August, 2010, 03:29:38 pm
First weighing since Mille Cymru: 66.1kg - probably lightest I've been in 10-15 years.  ~10kg lighter than in November.  BMI exactly 20.  Scales claim body fat now 13.5%.

Christ only knows what I weighed earlier in the week, I've been eating like a pig post Mille-Cymru.  ::-)

(Thing is, I think I still look slightly flabby.  But, I had a pair of jeans on yesterday and they're loose around the waist and tight around the right thigh!).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 01 August, 2010, 04:23:44 pm
First weighing since Mille Cymru: 66.1kg - probably lightest I've been in 10-15 years.  ~10kg lighter than in November.  BMI exactly 20.  Scales claim body fat now 13.5%.

Christ only knows what I weighed earlier in the week, I've been eating like a pig post Mille-Cymru.  ::-)

(Thing is, I think I still look slightly flabby.  But, I had a pair of jeans on yesterday and they're loose around the waist and tight around the right thigh!).


That will be two legs in the one trouser...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 02 August, 2010, 08:24:00 am
12lbs down now, my sisters wedding is in 7 weeks time. The quest for being a non-lardy bridesmaid continues!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 02 August, 2010, 11:34:35 am
After very little progress, decided to start using the Livestrong app. It really does reveal where I go wrong. I can be on track all for days  but 1 big blow out can really go off the scale.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 02 August, 2010, 01:21:44 pm
Went up .5kg the week before last, then despite a week of gorging on YHA breakfasts, lost 1kg last week. BMI down to 20.4.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 02 August, 2010, 03:49:49 pm
12lbs down now, my sisters wedding is in 7 weeks time. The quest for being a non-lardy bridesmaid continues!

That's good progress. You should be pleased with yourself!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 03 August, 2010, 01:43:30 pm
12lbs down now, my sisters wedding is in 7 weeks time. The quest for being a non-lardy bridesmaid continues!

That's good progress. You should be pleased with yourself!

d.

Diolch Citoyen! I don't know why, but the scales have shifted again, am now another 2 pounds down, which makes it a stone *does happy dance*. I had been sat at 68 kilos for 3 weeks and was getting really pissed off, but now its gone down to 66 kilos. Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 03 August, 2010, 08:39:22 pm
Having been not tracking publicly since April (and making no progress) I have decided to rejoin.
Considering the way I've been eating and drinking the fact I'm pretty static is close to a miracle, but that is not the point.

Malvolio -- I do have all the intermediate data, but I don't feel I can ask you to post it all onto the graphs!

Steve
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 03 August, 2010, 09:03:51 pm
I've decided to restart as well.
 
It was from this time last year that it all went pete tong.  So August is going to be my January 2011: its the new year! I have resolutions!

So I need to get back down to 70kg, and keep it there till Xmas.

Will weigh tomorrow and start recording again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 03 August, 2010, 09:06:38 pm
Same here. It's coming up to about a year before PBP and I need to lose 10kg, ideally 15kg.

Mixing up my units but 10kg over 52 weeks is just under 1/2lb a week, 15kg is just over 1/2lb a week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 03 August, 2010, 10:21:36 pm
Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!

I've hit the wall a bit recently - went down from 86 to 79kg quite quickly but I've been stuck at 79 for nearly a month.

I suspect the problem is partly being a victim of your own success - you're fitter and lighter, therefore the same exercise routine doesn't burn so many calories as it did before...

The answer, for me at least, is trying to ride that little bit harder and faster on my morning commute - I'm aiming to raise my average speed from 28 to 30km/h. I think it's doable - not so long ago, a 28km/h average had me hacking my lungs up at the end; now I can do it and feel out of breath but not completely spent.

It's all hard work, though.  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 03 August, 2010, 11:14:54 pm
Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!

I've hit the wall a bit recently - went down from 86 to 79kg quite quickly but I've been stuck at 79 for nearly a month.

I suspect the problem is partly being a victim of your own success - you're fitter and lighter, therefore the same exercise routine doesn't burn so many calories as it did before...

The answer, for me at least, is trying to ride that little bit harder and faster on my morning commute - I'm aiming to raise my average speed from 28 to 30km/h. I think it's doable - not so long ago, a 28km/h average had me hacking my lungs up at the end; now I can do it and feel out of breath but not completely spent.

It's all hard work, though.  :-\

d.


In all honesty I think you are right, upping your speed is probably going to help. From the fat-fighters experience (i.e. Weight watchers) when you do hit the wall you do something completely different to yank your weight down. This means things like having a walk at lunchtime, doing pilates in the morning or just eating slightly more - sounds daft I know but your body needs to be introduced to something thats totally different. I am probably talking bollocks but good luck to you!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 August, 2010, 12:28:36 pm
Doing something different sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately, using my bike for part of my commute is the only thing that really fits in. I'd love to do more swimming, but with my work and long commute, it's hard to get to a pool regularly.

Swimming is amazing for weight loss - I've never been slimmer than when I swam three or four times a week.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 August, 2010, 12:30:47 pm
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 August, 2010, 01:07:20 pm
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.

It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 04 August, 2010, 02:23:37 pm
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.

It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 August, 2010, 02:47:42 pm
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.

It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:

The correct amount to eat is obvious. Helpfully, they only sell them in two sizes - taster and single serving. I don't need the taster packs any more; I know chunky monkey is always the right choice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 August, 2010, 02:53:42 pm
Ben & Jerry's is this:  :sick:

Far too sweet.

Green & Black's chocolate or vanilla ice cream ftw.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on 04 August, 2010, 02:54:06 pm
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.

It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:

The correct amount to eat is obvious. Helpfully, they only sell them in two sizes - taster and single serving. I don't need the taster packs any more; I know chunky monkey is always the right choice.

This is dangerous talk on this part of the forum. From having lustful thoughts about ice-cream, am now craving a burger and chips.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 August, 2010, 04:03:13 pm
Ben & Jerry's is this:  :sick:

Far too sweet.

Green & Black's chocolate or vanilla ice cream ftw.

d.


G&B Chocolate ice cream is too cloying IMO, the vanilla is nice. Chunky Monkey is perfect. Only bettered by Hadleys Caramel (really dulche de leche) & Pecan.


This is dangerous talk on this part of the forum. From having lustful thoughts about ice-cream, am now craving a burger and chips.

If you are stuggling with cravings.... (warning - gross)

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 06 August, 2010, 12:20:40 pm
Or consider the ingredients of a Macflurry
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 16 August, 2010, 11:21:24 am
Same here. It's coming up to about a year before PBP and I need to lose 10kg, ideally 15kg.

Mixing up my units but 10kg over 52 weeks is just under 1/2lb a week, 15kg is just over 1/2lb a week.

And so it begins. Wednesday will be first weigh day and I'm back on the bike for commuting.

I'm going to try and stick to:-

1) Commuting regularly by bike
2) Occasional weekend blasts around the park
3) Drop snack machine habit at work in the afternoon
4) Endure hunger between getting in to work and lunchtime (midday)
5) Must not overbuy from canteen at lunch (need to sort out lunches to bring in with me)
6) Cut down on booze intake (in progress)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 August, 2010, 11:36:07 am
3) Drop snack machine habit at work in the afternoon

I've found two things help with this:
- apples. I buy a bag of five small apples for 99p from M&S and snack on them instead of chocolate or crisps. It helps if you like apples.
- water. Drinking more water is a good way to feel fuller. I don't know if there's any scientific basis for this or if it's psychological, but it seems to work for me. Perhaps it's just the increased exercise from more frequent trips to the toilet. ;)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 16 August, 2010, 11:42:38 am
I'm really fed up of this. I hate being a fatty. I hate the cycle of feeling down, eating because I feel down, feeling shit because I've just stuffed my face again, looking at myself in the mirror and hating the way I look.

Blowing away an entire months worth of weight loss with one bad weekend. So much fighting and mental struggle, feeling hungry, hating the way I feel and look. A couple of bad days and I'm back where I started.

I hate carrying this extra weight around, taking 11 hours and being the last one home on a course that people who aren't carrying an extra 6 stone can do in 7 hours.

Most of all I hate that I'm so weak that I just can't control my eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 16 August, 2010, 11:53:02 am
Hulver, I can really empathise with a lot of that.  But (speaking as somebody who is also lumping around an extra half a dozen stone) you have to accept as well that it's bloody brilliant that you can and do get round rides of that length.  Similarly, on Saturday I went out and rode a bit under 40 miles, with a generous 3000 feet of climbing (and only 2000 or so of down to compensate) thrown in.  With my power to weight ratio, that's not an achievement, it's a bloody miracle!

You just have to keep on keeping on.  A bad couple of days can happen to anyone.  It doesn't make you a bad person! 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 August, 2010, 12:11:47 pm
Chin up, hulver! If it's any consolation, I don't think any of us find it easy. It doesn't help that eating is so much fun...

If exercise is your main way of hoping to lose weight, I reckon it's very important to actually enjoy the type of exercise you do.

You enjoy cycling, which is good, but it seems you're not enjoying the type of cycling you're doing... perhaps set yourself some different challenges? Or find a different type of cycling to do? I was in the doldrums a bit at the start of this year but discovering fixed-gear reignited my enthusiasm in a big way. Worth considering?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 16 August, 2010, 01:18:17 pm
Hulver, I can really empathise with a lot of that.  But (speaking as somebody who is also lumping around an extra half a dozen stone) you have to accept as well that it's bloody brilliant that you can and do get round rides of that length.  Similarly, on Saturday I went out and rode a bit under 40 miles, with a generous 3000 feet of climbing (and only 2000 or so of down to compensate) thrown in.  With my power to weight ratio, that's not an achievement, it's a bloody miracle!

You just have to keep on keeping on.  A bad couple of days can happen to anyone.  It doesn't make you a bad person! 

It's just demoralising when the bad couple of days wipes out a months worth of work. My weight has been yo-yoing this year, I've been to just under 18stone, but I'm back up to 18 1/2 stone again now. I just can't keep it off. I know why I can't keep it off, and that's why I hate it because I've got nobody but myself to blame.

Well done on the hilly ride, that's some fairly serious climbing over 40 miles, you should be proud of that.

Chin up, hulver! If it's any consolation, I don't think any of us find it easy. It doesn't help that eating is so much fun...

If exercise is your main way of hoping to lose weight, I reckon it's very important to actually enjoy the type of exercise you do.

You enjoy cycling, which is good, but it seems you're not enjoying the type of cycling you're doing... perhaps set yourself some different challenges? Or find a different type of cycling to do? I was in the doldrums a bit at the start of this year but discovering fixed-gear reignited my enthusiasm in a big way. Worth considering?

d.


I'm riding fixed, and loving it. It's only for really hilly rides I get the gears out. Still struggling to get the set up right for longer rides though.
I just don't get the time to ride as much as I like. I need to HTFU and just get out there more often though, it would help. Riding always makes me feel better overall, and less inclined to turn to other sources of solace.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 August, 2010, 01:27:44 pm
I'm riding fixed, and loving it. It's only for really hilly rides I get the gears out.

Oops. I knew that already but forgot... sorry. But the general principle of trying something different holds... Maybe a bit of cyclocross?

Or maybe try a different form of exercise altogether - swimming, perhaps?

Quote
I need to HTFU and just get out there more often though, it would help. Riding always makes me feel better overall, and less inclined to turn to other sources of solace.

Well, no one can fault your attitude, at least!  :)

But it is hard work, so try not to be too down on yourself.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 16 August, 2010, 02:03:03 pm
3) Drop snack machine habit at work in the afternoon

I've found two things help with this:
- apples. I buy a bag of five small apples for 99p from M&S and snack on them instead of chocolate or crisps. It helps if you like apples.
- water. Drinking more water is a good way to feel fuller. I don't know if there's any scientific basis for this or if it's psychological, but it seems to work for me. Perhaps it's just the increased exercise from more frequent trips to the toilet. ;)

d.


Apples & water for the win. I heard that the pectin in the apples means the apples at water turn into one big gooey blob in your belly, making you feel full. True or not, apples are lovely.

Down another .5kg this week, aided no doubt by 233km yesterday, where I suspect I didn't eat enough. I felt very full; too full to eat when I got homw. However, at the second cafe, I couldn't make sense of the coins in my wallet, got all giggly and asked the girl at the counter to make it all work. Still, it was simonp, not me, who got the freebie extra cream on his milkshake.

BMI 20.0, 4kg left to got to hit my target of a BMI of 19.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Karla on 16 August, 2010, 04:06:45 pm
I hate carrying this extra weight around, taking 11 hours and being the last one home on a course that people who aren't carrying an extra 6 stone can do in 7 hours.
Q: How long would most people take to ride the Phil 150?
A: About 11 hours to get up Holme Moss,  couple of days for the rest of it. 

Cheer up Matt!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 16 August, 2010, 08:14:40 pm

- water. Drinking more water is a good way to feel fuller. I don't know if there's any scientific basis for this or if it's psychological, but it seems to work for me.
 

it works for me too:we can't both be wrong  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 16 August, 2010, 08:26:33 pm
and being the last one home
I suggest you ride more events with me:you were back before me on the Wiggy 100 so it's not accurate to say that you are last.

I too have pigged out since Saturday evening & this morning was half a kg heavier than when I started last Saturday's ride. ::-)

So it's not unique to yourself.
Keep on keeping on
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 16 August, 2010, 10:56:24 pm
@hulver

So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better (I may or may not have a BMJ paper talking about this out soon). So I would stop worrying about your intentions failing, because it just means you aren't an uber-conscientious freak. Revel in your normality, and instead, identify something that regularly triggers bad eating habits, and associate that cue with a better response. For me, it's the presence of ice cream in the house. My habit was to eat the whole pot in one sitting. Instead, I formed the following plan

IF I open the ice cream tub, THEN I will only have 1/3rd of the pot in an evening.

I repeated this out loud, and visualised myself only serving myself 1/3rd.

Redo that for yourself. Not saying it's a panacea, but meta-analysis shows this technique (IF>THEN plans, AKA implementation intentions) has a large effect size across a range of health behaviours. You might ask why I didn't reassociate the cue (ice cream pot) with something more healthy, like eating an apple. Well, I like ice cream, and doing something I don't want to do, like not eat icecream ever, is dumb (and plans like that don't work so well, see paper by friend and me in crappy obscure journal only our mates will read, 2009).

*I am low on conscientiousness, so am more disparaging than most, but meta-analysis shows changing intention is less effective than planning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 17 August, 2010, 08:43:54 am
So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better

I'm very interested in this. It has some relevance to my "chronic procrastination" thread (http://yacf.co.uk/forumindex.php?topic=12368.0). Feel free to elaborate.

I sympathise, Hulver.

Think I'll join Greenbank and get going on this again, starting with a weigh-in tomorrow. At least 7 kg could usefully be disposed of. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 August, 2010, 08:59:04 am
Interesting, DrM, very interesting.

I don't have an ice cream habit but I haves used the same technique to cut my wine consumption. It used to be that I couldn't open a bottle without finishing it but now I can restrict myself to one glass and make a bottle last four days.

I still think trying something different can help with motivation, just to stop you feeling jaded, but I suppose it depends on the context - for me it worked because I was fed up with the drudgery of winter commuting and I really needed a break. And a change, as they say, is as good as a rest.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Aidan on 17 August, 2010, 12:22:03 pm
Put my weight in the chart a day early as I'm away tonight so cant get weighed in the morning.

Got to say I'm pleased with how its going.

Lost nearly 8KG so far , after a shaky first few months. But a rather enjoyable regime (if thats the word) of fruit for breakfast, salad for lunch, coupled with some sensible portion control on evening meals is working very well.

I've also cut out almost all of the chocolate and biscuits that were little snacks, but all add up.

I allow myself one treat night a week, for a meal out or a takeaway, and make sure any cycling is well catered for with breakfast such as porridge and nice healthy beans on toast  :thumbsup:  I even allow myself a little cake on longer rides.

In late 2006 I was 65kg after being out of work for a while and spending most of the summer cycling.

I then got a job where I do alot of driving, my cycling miles fell away drastically  and I got married to Mrs Aidan, who likes to make sure I'm well fed ;D All of this conspired to add a pile of weight on over the next two years or so

Its really only this year that I've reducated my appetite, educated Mrs Aidan ;D and started putting a little restraint on my eating, rather than trying to consume what I was when doing 500 miles a week on the bike ::-)

A regime of exercise has also helped. I make a point of cycling almost every day, even if only for a few miles, or have a walk for half an hour, coupled with longer rides at the weekend.  I take the Brommie with me when I stay away so I can get a bit of cycling in when Im not at home.

It does all seem to be having the required effect.  I dont find the salads and fruit boring, I actually really enjoy them, I agonize occasionally over cake and chocolate, but usually manage to talk myself out of it.

This is what works for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 17 August, 2010, 01:07:14 pm
So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better (I may or may not have a BMJ paper talking about this out soon).
...
Redo that for yourself. Not saying it's a panacea, but meta-analysis shows this technique (IF>THEN plans, AKA implementation intentions) has a large effect size across a range of health behaviours. You might ask why I didn't reassociate the cue (ice cream pot) with something more healthy, like eating an apple. Well, I like ice cream, and doing something I don't want to do, like not eat icecream ever, is dumb (and plans like that don't work so well, see paper by friend and me in crappy obscure journal only our mates will read, 2009).

I'd be interested in a pointer, for work - I'm not usually reading the BMJ but I am interested in behaviour change.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 17 August, 2010, 01:19:11 pm
@hulver

So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better (I may or may not have a BMJ paper talking about this out soon). So I would stop worrying about your intentions failing, because it just means you aren't an uber-conscientious freak. Revel in your normality, and instead, identify something that regularly triggers bad eating habits, and associate that cue with a better response. For me, it's the presence of ice cream in the house. My habit was to eat the whole pot in one sitting. Instead, I formed the following plan

IF I open the ice cream tub, THEN I will only have 1/3rd of the pot in an evening.

I repeated this out loud, and visualised myself only serving myself 1/3rd.

Redo that for yourself. Not saying it's a panacea, but meta-analysis shows this technique (IF>THEN plans, AKA implementation intentions) has a large effect size across a range of health behaviours. You might ask why I didn't reassociate the cue (ice cream pot) with something more healthy, like eating an apple. Well, I like ice cream, and doing something I don't want to do, like not eat icecream ever, is dumb (and plans like that don't work so well, see paper by friend and me in crappy obscure journal only our mates will read, 2009).

This approach really doesn't work for me. Saying 'why deny yourself pleasures' is just a recipe (sic) for disaster IMO. Once the pot is open its only a matter of time until you've scoffed the lot and it doesn't really make that much difference whether its over one or three sittings (and usually its one). BTDTGTTS.

My approach is to find substitutes. I'm quite partial to Fab lollies (!) which have a fraction of the calories of a serving of ice cream (especially when measured in time required to consume) and the number of calories per serving are bounded to those within a lolly rather than within a multiportion tub of ice-cream. Don't get me wrong, I like ice-cream but a Fab is just as fine, so I'm denying myself nothing.

I still buy icecream, choc ices, etc. for the family and now and then have some but its pretty exceptional, and usually just a tiny portion, a spoonful as a 'taster'. Any more and I'd simply scoff the lot. I also will have ice-cream when I'm out and about. I had a '99 as a treat on a lovely sunny day at Wells by the Sea on the Asparagus and Strawberries 400km (FWIW it was ghastly, the ice-cream, that is), apple pie and ice-cream at a cafe, etc. Again the portions are controlled.

So its not about denial but avoiding opportunities to over indulge and finding equally enjoyable alternatives.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 17 August, 2010, 02:47:29 pm
I'd be interested in a pointer, for work - I'm not usually reading the BMJ but I am interested in behaviour change.

If you are interested in Implementation Intentions (the IF>THEN planning, behaviour change technque), this is good paper to start  (it talks about where, when, how, but people found IF>THEN is better) with

http://www.psych.nyu.edu/gollwitzer/99Goll_ImpInt.pdf

If you are interested in the extent to which motivation doesn't determine our behaviour:

(Best article title evah!) The unbearable automaticity of being
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~psy423/dept/HomePage/Level_3_Social_Psych_files/Bargh%26Chartrand.pdf

or just look out for stuff by Bargh on free will. He's a very engaging writer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 18 August, 2010, 09:19:21 am
The problem with doing lots of audax rides over the summer is - lots of controls serving up lashings of cakey goodness. I seem to have attracted some ballast  :facepalm:.
The thought of hauling this lard up Streatley Hill on a fixed gear, come the Anfractuous 200 in October, gives me THE FEAR.

Time to blow the dust off the rowing machine, pump the tyres up on the turbo, and fire up Livestrong again.

Aiming for a 500kcal a day deficit, which should be more than covered merely by tidying up my eating habits, reigning in the boozahol habit somewhat, and getting some cross training in.

But I don't kid myself. Even a modest deficit like this will make me hungry, cranky, hard done-by, and a misery (empty) guts at times.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 August, 2010, 09:23:23 am
Why not try 250kcal/day and see if that is more tolerable?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 18 August, 2010, 09:27:40 am
Why not try 250kcal/day and see if that is more tolerable?

I considered that. I suspect the results would be too slow coming, and I would get demotivated. There's a sweet-spot somewhere in the sliding scale of deprivation where the feedback from results at least makes up for the pain and misery. I don't feel mentally rufty-tufty enough for a 1000kcal a day; I've done that before and you have to be obsessive to make it work, but I reckon 500 is a good compromise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 18 August, 2010, 10:04:48 am
This time I can't be bothered to work out the actual calorie deficit.

I'm just making sure I eat less at lunch and eat less in the evening, commute more by bike, cut down on booze (the occasional 2 or 3 cans of lager 'to unwind from work' had become 3 or 4 evenings a week) and no snacking unless I really am starving (I've trained myself to be quite good at just being hungry for a couple of hours).

I'll probably be running somewhere inbetween 250kcal and 500kcal a day deficit. To get to a more ideal weight for PBP I need to drop about 10kg over the next 12 months. That works out at roughly 1/2lb a week, so 250kcal a day is a minimum deficit I need to maintain for that year assuming I miss a few weeks:-

250kcal * 7 days * 52 weeks = 91,000 kcal = 26 lbs of fat (3500kcal per lb of fat) = 11.8kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on 18 August, 2010, 10:18:32 am
I have no idea about calorie deficit, I just know that I spent much of my recent holiday hungry and I am now 1/2 a stone lighter. Less food, less alcohol, and more cycling FTW.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 18 August, 2010, 11:04:46 am
Chris S very flatteringly said I looked slimmer last weekend. I modestly doubted it but the scales today confirm that is indeed the case. Being without a car clearly makes all the difference as I'm still eating like my livestock. Ad Lib.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 August, 2010, 11:18:27 am
When doing 2000+km/month I didn't need to concern myself.  In fact by the time I started the MC I was down to 68kg.  Afterwards, I was 66kg.

I'm now 72kg.  :facepalm:

(Ok, so that's a BMI of 21.7 and I shouldn't be concerned.  But last time I got to 76kg before I acted, and it makes me much slower up hills.  And it's possible to look flabby, with my build, at 11 stone).

Back on the program for me.  250kcal/day deficit.  I need to adjust my calorie intake to match my changed monthly mileage (probably 1000km/month for the rest of the year).


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on 18 August, 2010, 12:04:29 pm
This may be an interesting read but then again it may not.  Book excerpt: The myth of 'The Fat-Burning Zone' - VeloNews (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/08/news/book-excerpt-the-myth-of-the-fat-burning-zone_134214)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 August, 2010, 12:47:14 pm
This may be an interesting read but then again it may not.  Book excerpt: The myth of 'The Fat-Burning Zone' - VeloNews (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/08/news/book-excerpt-the-myth-of-the-fat-burning-zone_134214)

I've got the book - it's very good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 18 August, 2010, 12:48:03 pm
There was an 'interesting' article in the Times the other day about how all of the talk of calorie counting, basal metabolic rate, exercise affecting weight and the like is bollocks. (A view I certainly don't share.)

In reality it was nothing more than a piece advertising a book by Dr John Briffa who's just reinvented the Atkins diet (eat as much fat and protein as you like but no carbs). A google shows that he used to write for the Grauniad and Observer until the end of 2005. Writing diet books seems to be more lucrative.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 18 August, 2010, 01:07:06 pm
I've a lot of time for the Atkins diet. Useless for days on the bike of course but from the point of view of managing appetite, insulin spikes, etc. it has a lot going for it (it helps if you're not a vegetarian tho). In fact when I'm not riding thats roughly how I eat, well, high protein, moderate fats and carbs anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 18 August, 2010, 01:08:31 pm
The term "calorie deficit" is sufficiently similar to the term "cake deficit" to be acceptable.
Similarly to Greenbank's intention I spent a couple of months simply eating less,avoiding stuff that adds the lard,riding more & eating only after becoming hungry.Not at all scientific but I did lose 4kg without it being a drama.

I have regressed in the last 8 days & put back on 1kg due to too much cake & biscuits.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 18 August, 2010, 01:32:32 pm
There was an 'interesting' article in the Times the other day about how all of the talk of calorie counting, basal metabolic rate, exercise affecting weight and the like is bollocks. (A view I certainly don't share.)

In reality it was nothing more than a piece advertising a book by Dr John Briffa who's just reinvented the Atkins diet (eat as much fat and protein as you like but no carbs). A google shows that he used to write for the Grauniad and Observer until the end of 2005. Writing diet books seems to be more lucrative.
I'm glad you posted that! I found myself disagreeing with that article and wondering what I was missing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 August, 2010, 02:33:59 pm
I find the best way to avoid disagreeing with articles in the Times is to avoid reading the Times. ;)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 19 August, 2010, 09:06:59 am
The flash digital scales at the gym have disappeared, only to be replaced by a dial one — with a needle which won't stay still.  >:(

Best I can figure, I am now only 1kg from my target!  :)  Which I had hoped to hit a few months ago.   :(

Still a bit flabby around the middle, so will keep going beyond my target.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 19 August, 2010, 09:37:39 am
I find the best way to avoid disagreeing with articles in the Times is to avoid reading the Times. ;)

The daily puzzle pages are good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 25 August, 2010, 12:44:07 pm
BMI has now stayed below 20 for a week. Haven't been this weight for over a decade, albeit I am still 10lbs heavier than when I got married. However, looking at old pictures of myself when I was BMXing a lot, I was very skinny, and my aim of a BMI of 19 will still leave me comfortably heavier than that.

My wife helpfully dug out some pics of me at my fattest. I may post them up. I look like a sea lion.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 25 August, 2010, 12:53:24 pm
My wife helpfully dug out some pics of me at my fattest. I may post them up. I look like a sea lion.

That prompted me to go find a picture that I'd thought I'd lost (I remembered that it might have been emailed to me). Taken in the summer of 2001 when I was living the American Dream in Kansas.

http://www.greenbank.org/misc/lard.jpg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 25 August, 2010, 09:00:20 pm
My wife helpfully dug out some pics of me at my fattest. I may post them up. I look like a sea lion.

That prompted me to go find a picture that I'd thought I'd lost (I remembered that it might have been emailed to me). Taken in the summer of 2001 when I was living the American Dream in Kansas.

http://www.greenbank.org/misc/lard.jpg
Ha. I laugh at your sea lion and lard and would give you the bmi of 41.5 but I can't find any digital photos.
I've put on weight again through eating when bored at work. I've lost precisely nothing this year, which considering I've ridden more than 10,000km means I'm eating roughly the same amount as a small african village. Pah.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 27 August, 2010, 12:05:44 pm
Good work. This is me with a BMI of about 28 about 7 years ago. It was the result of a local shop selling Wells Banana Bread beer cheap, and being stressed about lack of funding for my PhD. Warning - contains ugliest photo ever.

(click to show/hide)
This is me with a bmi of about 18, just before I got married

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/4931231097_4a3093a646.jpg).

This is me a couple of years back when I got back up over 90

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v157/14/39/511846260/n511846260_480616_7779.jpg)

I've dropped 22 kg in the last year. I'm currently a BMI of 19.9, with the goal of 19. Other than the ice cream thing, only change to my eating behaviour has been setting up a habit of only drinking 4 bottles of beer a week - admittedly I've developed a taste for barley wine and belgian beer. Last night I had a bottle of Kwak. Yum. Don't do the miles you do - would like to think 12000km is possible, as I'm going to pass my 10000km goal comfortably.

Might start a boozahol units thread. Just checked the recycling bin - 18.4 units in the last 2 weeks, which I think is perfectly acceptable. Would help me keep on the straight and narrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 27 August, 2010, 12:32:04 pm
Might start a boozahol units thread. Just checked the recycling bin - 18.4 units in the last 2 weeks, which I think is perfectly acceptable. Would help me keep on the straight and narrow.

Good idea. I probably ought to keep track of how much I drink. It's probably more than I realise...

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 August, 2010, 04:17:14 pm
See what happens when I drop to under 700km in a month but keep eating for a 2000km milage?

73.0kg!

To recap: I was 66kg a month ago...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 29 August, 2010, 08:15:15 am
Chapeau!

I really must see if I can get hold of the EPIC norfolk food questionnaire. It's a validated short-questionnaire that gets rid of of the faff of keeping a diary. I reckon it'd be useful to have a simple tool for figuring out what you are putting in without the pain of recording such a basic, repeated behaviour.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Salvatore on 01 September, 2010, 02:00:26 pm
Between the end of June and yesterday, my weight went from 82kg to 74kg, on a diet of bread and cheese, yoghurt, biscuits, pizza, ice cream, Pflaumenkuchen and lots of chocolate. Oh, and tons of fresh fruit (especially plums).


I also cycled over 7550 km during that period.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 01 September, 2010, 02:30:52 pm
I also cycled over 7550 km during that period.

It's that extra 50k wot done it!

I rushed home from a 200k to jump on some scales and found I was -6lb. A couple of days later during which time I walked 20 odd miles along the Dorset coast path I was +4lb, i.e., I'd put on half a stone. I give up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 06 September, 2010, 03:55:48 pm
Been up and down over the last two weeks - gained 0.5kg following a 300km, then lost 1kg in the following week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 September, 2010, 04:01:30 pm
My colleagues all think I'm wasting away!   :smug:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 08 September, 2010, 09:23:48 am
Since the Mille I have gained about 4kg
Mrs. V says I look "about right" but it is the Dartmoor Devil at the end of October so I am going to be calorie reducing again
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 08 September, 2010, 10:41:22 am
My colleagues all think I'm wasting away!   :smug:

...but despite this, my weight has remained constant since mid-July, hovering around the 79kg mark. The 200 at the weekend hasn't made a dent.  :-\

My target by the end of this year is 76kg, so I'm going to need to up the effort a bit.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on 13 September, 2010, 10:10:25 am
That's 5 pounds more gone. This not drinking is doing wonders.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 September, 2010, 10:16:57 am
My colleagues all think I'm wasting away!   :smug:

...but despite this, my weight has remained constant since mid-July, hovering around the 79kg mark. The 200 at the weekend hasn't made a dent.  :-\

My target by the end of this year is 76kg, so I'm going to need to up the effort a bit.

d.


Perhaps something like this might explain:

Physio: "You've lost weight"

Me: "No, I'm exactly the same weight I was last time I saw you"

Physio: "Oh. Well, there's less padding"

I definitely can look thinner without losing weight, by having a bit more muscle and a bit less fat.  This is one of the effects of training, I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 13 September, 2010, 10:31:21 am
I definitely can look thinner without losing weight, by having a bit more muscle and a bit less fat.  This is one of the effects of training, I think.

Yes, I'm sure it's partly that. Which is a good thing, obviously.

But I think the main reason I've hit a plateau is that I've slackened off the cycling mileage a bit over the last month or so – being off work for two weeks in August didn't help – and there have been a few parties too... I need to step the cycling back up a bit. And cut down the drinking.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 13 September, 2010, 11:31:38 am
Using livestrong is interesting. I eat like I do in the week at the weekend. I undershoot during the week, but over the weekend I overshoot my calorie needs by >1000kcal . It's averaging out that I am losing at n half a kilo a week since the end of June when I cut my beer and ice cream consumption.

Needle on the scale is hovering just below 70kg for the first time. Still on track for a BMI of 19 before Nov 1st.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 13 September, 2010, 01:10:58 pm
I reckon the recent loss was due to not eating stuff like crisps,biscuits & vanilla slices.More recently I have been eating stuff like crisps,biscuits & cake so there has been no loss.I am suprised that the weight has been static:I expected it to up.
I think another tough-love session is needed regarding diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 September, 2010, 03:29:47 pm
What really hacks me off is the way that 2 weeks not cycling is +2kg, but 2 weeks cycling does not -any kg unless I ride more than 100km a day.

Still, docs tonight and that'll magically sort my knee out, right?
What's the betting I go for pie afterwards?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 13 September, 2010, 03:49:40 pm
What's the betting I go for pie afterwards?

Comfort eating?
one of my favourite past-times :) but as you say,a moment on the lips = a lifetime on the hips ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 29 September, 2010, 10:38:01 am
Somehow I've put on a kg, despite supposedly (livestrong) running at an average 500kcal deficit every day last week. Very mysterious.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 29 September, 2010, 11:04:36 am
I've been off the bike, and been eating like a Homer Simpson in an all you can eat seafood restaurant.

I might have put a bit of weight on as a result, but I dare not get on the scales to find out.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 06 October, 2010, 11:59:36 am
Right, so I'm a miserable, teetotalling, hard-done-by whinger, suffering from permahunger and obsessing from dawn to dusk about calories and workouts and adaptation and other such shit.

But finally... the scales are starting to respond. And in the right direction.

Anyone who glibly says "Oh, it's just calories in vs calories out"1 should be taken outside and shot. Sometimes, this stuff is hard.


1 Yes I know, I have been guilty of this in the past. Oh the irony...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 06 October, 2010, 01:33:26 pm
After ~8 months effort my weight has stablised around my off season weight target. That's good because with winter approaching it means I can eat what I need without having that niggle in the back of my mind about losing weight. The rides I have planned for Oct/Nov should  see off the final couple of kg. Happy days.

Smug? Moi?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 06 October, 2010, 01:52:30 pm
Down a kilo and a half this week - wonder if last week's weight gain was a blip. Anyway, BMI is now 19.2 which puts me in good shape for my target of 19 by Nov 1st.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 13 October, 2010, 12:47:17 pm
Latest: 13-Oct-2010: 68.5 kg, BMI: 19.2

Annoyed to find that I haven't hit my target this week, particularly as I've kept under the net 1800kcal livestrong suggests I need to consume to lose that last .5kg (ignore the blue line, it's set for losing 1kg a week).

(http://thumbsnap.com/s/nBKep7o5.jpg)

Oh well, the goal of a BMI of 19, was before Nov 1st, so I've still got time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 October, 2010, 12:55:04 pm
A bad diet for about 6 weeks for various reasons, and I'm up to 74kg.

So it's back to Livestrong and 0.5kg/week loss, and stop being "too busy" to eat properly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 13 October, 2010, 01:09:28 pm
How do you get that graph DrMekon?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 13 October, 2010, 01:35:50 pm
Click on the "calories over time" link on Livestrong. It's under the Tools heading on the righthand sidebar on the MyPlate page, and has a green tick next to it. I then screengrabbed it and put it on thumbsnaps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 13 October, 2010, 02:06:48 pm
Click on the "calories over time" link on Livestrong. It's under the Tools heading on the righthand sidebar on the MyPlate page, and has a green tick next to it. I then screengrabbed it and put it on thumbsnaps.

Ooh, thanks! Here's mine:

(http://www.ivytodd.com/chriscals.jpg)

Spot Audax day - and the post-audax HUNGER.

I lost 0.5Kg in the last week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 14 October, 2010, 10:29:52 pm
I've decided to up my net calorie target to around 1800 from 1300. I've been feeling a bit mopy, tired, and always hungry. Also, trying to maintain 1300 a day after an audax is sheer hell.

So I've adjusted my calorie goal on LS to lose 0.5Kg a week, rather than 1Kg. This gives me 1800kcals net a day as a target.

The forums on LS are full of "advice" about not letting your net calorie goal go below your BMR (which for me is currently 1700kcals), so the new goal is more in line with that.

Here's hoping I can cheer up a bit, and not keep Mrs S awake at night with my rumbly tum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 October, 2010, 11:05:14 pm
Chris: I'm glad to hear this. 0.5kg/week worked for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 15 October, 2010, 06:22:51 am
What you guys are doing on lLivestrong seems like a good idea. However, I've spent a few minutes on the livestrong.com site but can't find anywhere to log my food. Is there a link that I've failed to see? Thanks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 15 October, 2010, 09:38:27 am
Try here:

MyPlate - Food Diary & Food Calorie Counter | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 15 October, 2010, 09:52:11 am
I've decided to up my net calorie target to around 1800 from 1300. I've been feeling a bit mopy, tired, and always hungry. Also, trying to maintain 1300 a day after an audax is sheer hell.


I'm not surprised, 1300 sounds like the Bradley Wiggins TdF weight loss plan and even 1800 doesn't sound a lot for a cyclist of your stature, especially now the temperture is starting to drop.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 15 October, 2010, 10:26:24 am
1300 calories a day sounds fine if you're aiming for the physique of Karen Carpenter.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 15 October, 2010, 10:29:36 am
Yes, this is 1300 calories net you understand - that is to say, after exercise has been taken into consideration. I've been eating between 2000 and 3000 calories a day and exercising to the tune of about 1000 calories; ergo, net of around 1000-2000 (usually around 1300).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 October, 2010, 10:52:48 am
I've decided to up my net calorie target to around 1800 from 1300. I've been feeling a bit mopy, tired, and always hungry. Also, trying to maintain 1300 a day after an audax is sheer hell.


I'm not surprised, 1300 sounds like the Bradley Wiggins TdF weight loss plan and even 1800 doesn't sound a lot for a cyclist of your stature, especially now the temperture is starting to drop.

The 1300 or 1800 etc assumes no exercise.  Each time you do some exercise you get to eat more.

Mine is 1990, which is a deficit of 250 calories/day assuming I'm "lightly active" - i.e. working at a desk job.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 15 October, 2010, 11:38:12 am
I kinda don't believe what sporttrack tells me about the number of calories my commute takes (usually 880ish for 29kms), so I struggle to believe that I can eat like the pig Livestrong says I can. However, I can't argue with the weight loss trajectory I am on.

FWIW, I tend to set my calorie goal at 1.5lbs or 2lbs per week, then go over at the weekend (thanks to barley wine). I am usually running around a 3500kcal deficit for a given week.

(http://thumbsnap.com/i/oojkLYXM.jpg)

the only dietary behaviour changes I've made are to deliberately restrict my beer and icecream intake and to up my oat intake. Oats soaked in sweetened or chocolate soya milk with brazil nuts = yum substitute for ice cream.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 15 October, 2010, 11:50:32 am
I kinda don't believe what sporttrack tells me about the number of calories my commute takes...

You're wise not to trust the figures. If you enter "bicycling" on Livestrong as an exercise type, the options it gives you include:

"Bicycling: 12-14mph, leisure, moderate, 792cal/hour"

"Bicycling – 12-13.9mph (moderate) 599cal/hour"

Which one am I supposed to choose?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 October, 2010, 12:01:45 pm
I kinda don't believe what sporttrack tells me about the number of calories my commute takes...

You're wise not to trust the figures. If you enter "bicycling" on Livestrong as an exercise type, the options it gives you include:

"Bicycling: 12-14mph, leisure, moderate, 792cal/hour"

"Bicycling – 12-13.9mph (moderate) 599cal/hour"

Which one am I supposed to choose?

d.


I choose the lower; the leisure one probably assumes a slower bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 15 October, 2010, 12:03:02 pm
I use the one that yields 519kcals an hour as experience has led me to believe that's roughly what I burn at audax speed (around 24km/hr). Hilly or faster will up this, but I tend to ignore that.

Edit: X-post with Simon. He and I obviously came to the same conclusion!

Incidentally - this is roughly HALF the rate that my HRM says I'm burning  ::-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 October, 2010, 12:14:55 pm
Well, I choose the 14-16mph one for my commute; this is 740kcal/hr.  If it's off, it's not off by much because it's only 20 minutes each way.  Commuting also has stop/start and acceleration which burns more calories for the same average speed.

I tend to go by distance and using the Powertap as a reference, depending on various factors it can be between 500 and 750kcal/hr at 24kph, and this ignores energy consumed that isn't going to the wheel (such as that used to balance).  The figures for non-leisure from Livestrong seem to be in the right ballpark.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 15 October, 2010, 07:54:09 pm
Compared to the powertap, sporttracks isn't too far off though (apologies to Simon, we've been through this before), in that 880 is what I get for cycling at >28kph for an hour. Certainly it drops below 800 if I ride <25kph.

FWIW, I always enter my exercise manually from what I get out of sporttracks after importing my gpx file. It's got what my bike+bag weighs plus what I weigh, plus elevation, but I've no idea what it uses to calculate the figure.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 15 October, 2010, 08:08:19 pm
Try here:

MyPlate - Food Diary & Food Calorie Counter | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/)

Thank you, Chris.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 20 October, 2010, 10:24:26 am
(http://thumbsnap.com/s/7dQi7mRd.jpg)

I wish I could play the xbl achievement sound.

(http://thumbsnap.com/s/HgiHlj4u.jpg)

That's my weight loss graph. I was 93kg in Sept 09, and didn't weigh myself again until July. Looking at the slope, it looks like monitoring helped, but that my commute plus monitoring my physical activity through sporttracks and bikejournal was already an effective weight loss strategy. I began using Livestrong to self-monitor my dietary intake at the beginning of September. I don't think it's hurt at all, but I didn't really use it to change my behaviour too much, as my diet was already pretty good. However, it does encourage me to avoid snack food and boost up on porridge, so I am going to stick with it.

The plan from here on in is to stick within a window of 67-69kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 November, 2010, 09:23:08 am
On something of a plateau at the moment. The graphs on LS show why - which is useful as I can see exactly what I need to do to start losing again.

The hard part is doing what I need to do to start losing again  ::-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 03 November, 2010, 09:24:40 am
My weight has also levelled off.  I'm surprised, as I've been eating for two lately.  Guess the exercising has made a difference.  Would love to be able to increase the activity and decrease the consumption.  Fingers crossed...
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 03 November, 2010, 11:28:05 am
In maintenance mode now. Upped my calorie allowance on livestrong, basically eating heartily (managed to get 5000kcal in me during the 200km at the weekend).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 November, 2010, 11:36:40 am
...managed to get 5000kcal in me during the 200km at the weekend.

Goodness. How did you find any time for cycling? ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 03 November, 2010, 12:11:44 pm
From the validation...

Distance = 209km
Climbing = 1,917m
Duration = 9 hours 39 minutes
Start Time  = 31 Oct 2010 07:05:23
Finish Time = 31 Oct 2010 16:45:03
Average Speed - Overall = 21.7kph
Average Speed - Moving  = 26.6kph
Time At Rest = 2 hours 48 minutes

My secret weapon was the feared Blackfriars banana flavoured flapjack. Did 6 of them! Add in some gels, 3 litres of overly thick SIS, 2 oats bars, a muffin, an sis energy bar, a baked potato with cheese, beans and salad... jobs an good 'un. Nick and JJ ate less than me (Nick appeared to do it on a couple of litres of energy drink, a bowl of soup and a roll!). Every time we stopped, I think I managed to stuff a bar in my face and one in my jersey pocket.

(http://www.blackfriarsbakery.co.uk/flapjacks/Banana.jpg)

Our local garage was doing the 4 for £1 (just out of date) so I stocked up. They are currently doing Burnt Sugar Dark Choc caramels (£2.30 each at Waitrose) at 6 for £1.50 (out of date as of Nov 10th). I've eaten so many, I am sick of them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 November, 2010, 01:54:51 pm
Average Speed - Moving  = 26.6kph

Ah, that's how you found time to eat so much... ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 November, 2010, 02:12:33 pm
Nick is a fast rider. He would consider that pace "sedate". A fast rider riding well within themselves will burn less carbohydrate and proportionally more fat than a less fit rider.

Not that DrMekon seems to be very slow. I don't think I've ever done that ride as fast as that though I did manage around 9h30 riding solo on my Madone last year - less time stopped.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 November, 2010, 02:44:30 pm
I was on a mission to stuff myself on our 200 and didn't manage 5000 calories. I suppose I might have done if I had carried flapjack rather than brioche. O, and not had to stop at every flushing opportunity.  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 03 November, 2010, 08:07:51 pm
I think I had about 4kCal for 220km on Sunday:
Egg'n'Beans on Toast
Ham Roll
Chicken wrap
2x0.5l Yazoo
Quarter sandwich
Small date Slice
Small slice fruit cake
Large slice fruit cake
3*3 pack Go-ahead biscuits
Creamed Rice with ice cream
Tuna Salad
2 bananas
Several cups of tea
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 November, 2010, 10:19:32 pm
And people wonder why they don't lose weight. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 04 November, 2010, 06:23:08 am
I've managed to drop 5 kg but not muscle mass, actually I have increased muscle mass.
I am now around 82kgs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 20 November, 2010, 03:42:10 pm
Today I am wearing 32" waist jeans, which I haven't done for a quite a while.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 November, 2010, 03:54:08 pm
I've managed to drop 5 kg but not muscle mass, actually I have increased muscle mass.
I am now around 82kgs.

That's good work. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 21 November, 2010, 09:09:10 pm
From the validation...

Distance = 209km [K]
Climbing = 1,917m
Duration = 9 hours 39 minutes [D]
Start Time  = 31 Oct 2010 07:05:23
Finish Time = 31 Oct 2010 16:45:03
Average Speed - Overall = 21.7kph
Average Speed - Moving  = 26.6kph [ASM]
Time At Rest = 2 hours 48 minutes
Can someone check my Maths:
Time Moving [TM]= D-TR=6:51 or 6.85 hrs
Calculated distance=ASM*TM=182.21km
Event distance is 209km
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 November, 2010, 09:45:24 pm
From the validation...

Distance = 209km [K]
Climbing = 1,917m
Duration = 9 hours 39 minutes [D]
Start Time  = 31 Oct 2010 07:05:23
Finish Time = 31 Oct 2010 16:45:03
Average Speed - Overall = 21.7kph
Average Speed - Moving  = 26.6kph [ASM]
Time At Rest = 2 hours 48 minutes
Can someone check my Maths:
Time Moving [TM]= D-TR=6:51 or 6.85 hrs
Calculated distance=ASM*TM=182.21km
Event distance is 209km


Time at rest is wrong. Try 1h48.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 24 November, 2010, 12:56:11 pm
My weight this morning was down exactly 1kg on last week, which isn't so very odd in itself - one kilo is well within the realms of normal fluctuation, but I'm still surprised because I've done no exercise at all over the last seven days, and haven't exactly been stinting on the pies - I was expecting it to have gone up, not down.

And it's the lowest my weight has been for two months, which is good. But minor variations aside, my weight has essentially been static since mid-July at around 79kg. I'm going to have to put in some serious effort over the next month to reach my end-of-year target of 76kg. Especially considering the number of parties I've got lined up...  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 25 November, 2010, 05:24:07 pm
Overshot on my "weight maintenance" last week. Back up to 70kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 02 December, 2010, 10:09:15 am
Hmm - week off Livestrong, and it's crept up another kg to 71.0 That suggests that supplementing my diet with Innes & Gunn Oak Aged Beer (2 x 750ml for £5 in Tescos) is not an effective weight loss strategy. Alas I fear the Leffe Brune I have waiting for me at home may be no less effective, Perhaps eating 3/4 of a Toffee Apple Crumble was also a contributing factor, etc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 December, 2010, 12:21:31 am
Ive been exercising like mad and eating like mad. No idea about the calorie count *weighs self*.

74.5kg. Well, I'm stably fat. There is that at least.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 04 December, 2010, 04:27:47 am
74.5kg is not fat
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 04 December, 2010, 05:18:40 am
Is 82kg fat then?

Need to lose weight again.  Low carb here we go back.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 December, 2010, 06:30:42 am
74.5kg is not fat
It is if you're 4 feet tall.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 December, 2010, 11:30:06 am
74.5kg is not fat

Indeed. It puts my BMI at 22.5. It's still too heavy for an endurance athlete though. I was 68kg at the start of Mille Cymru and that makes a big difference to my climbing. I think that's about as light as I want to go.

73.7 this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 12 December, 2010, 08:57:03 am
I went back down to 69kg for no discernable reason. Weight is crap feedback for exercise / dietary behaviour in the short term. I've been chatting to the MRC group that did the cycling intervention meta-analysis this week. Hoping that in the new year I'll be in a position to tap a bunch of you guys up for some development work on a novel intervention that will support the long-term goal of cycling-mediated weight loss with short-term rewards.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 12 December, 2010, 09:04:56 am
I went back down to 69kg for no discernable reason. Weight is crap feedback for exercise / dietary behaviour in the short term. I've been chatting to the MRC group that did the cycling intervention meta-analysis this week. Hoping that in the new year I'll be in a position to tap a bunch of you guys up for some development work on a novel intervention that will support the long-term goal of cycling-mediated weight loss with short-term rewards.

Short term rewards ?
Like chocolate ?

Won't that be counterproductive ?

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 December, 2010, 04:24:23 pm
I am gearing up (pardon the pun) to starting new year, new bike, new training regime and new diet!

I just weighed myself for only the 2nd time in 2010 and I am 61kg. (When I felt like a fat git last May I was 64kg).
So basically I have lost 3kg with no alteration to what I eat, and in fact have probably consumed more cake and pub lunches than I previously did. I decided to wear my black skinny jeans this week, I had been shunning them presuming they would be way too tight. They were loose enough I almost needed a belt to hold them up  :o This, presumably, is due to taking up cycling  :thumbsup:

What I now need in my quest for PBP qualification is a plan to lose some more weight. I would rather carry 5kg of useful stuff in my Barley than 5kg of useless blubber.
At the age of 21 I was about 56kg. Does it seem reasonable to try to get back to that weight at the age of 40 or should I set my sights a bit fatter?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: arvid on 12 December, 2010, 05:13:23 pm
Just aim for better fitness. Fitness is way more important than weight.
Before LEL I was around 63kg(and had been around that for at least 5 years, without cycling insane distances or sporting at all), after LEL my weight got up to 72kg in winter. I'd never been over 68kg before.
When I started cycling again it dropped under 70 again, but not as low as before LEL, I think 66 was the least. Just after Mille Miglia it was a bit less. It's 69 now, and I think that's fine as "winter weight". When I start cycling more I'll start eating more again, and lose weight anyway.
In my experience you can eat whatever you fancy when you cycle lots, and still lose weight.

As far as cycling is concerned I wouldn't aim too low, you never know when it becomes cold windy and rainy and you'll get hypothermic sooner with a larger skin area/mass ratio.

FWIW of course, since I'm a 29yr old male.

Oh, and for PBP you need a recent medical test(from January or newer iirc), you can include a fat percentage test in that. That might give you a better clue about whether it's wise to lose weight or not.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 December, 2010, 06:26:27 pm
I'm with Arvid. Fitter is more important. 56kg is ridiculous for a grown woman, unless you're 5' nothing and have size 3 feet.
(just jealous as I doubt I've been 56kg since I was about 10...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 December, 2010, 06:32:54 pm
But surely my ability to climb hills will improve as if by magic if i don't weigh so much???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 12 December, 2010, 06:40:28 pm
I don't feel faster, but my numbers suggest I might be a bit. What I do notice is that when I get to to the top of hills, I feel less ruined and recover quicker.

I chose BMI of 19 as a goal, simply because it meant that when people said I was too skinny, I could say I wasn't. I know weight about the same as I weighed when I was 19, and am back in 30" trousers for the first time since I was 24.

Quite honestly, I have found self-monitoring (weight - used sport tracks and here / diet & calories in and out [from sporttracks] - used livestrong / mileage - used bikejournal) so effective, it was pretty effortless. Pick a goal, plug it in to livestrong, work out how much exercise you need to do to offset your eating, stick to monitoring, and you'll do it.

Unfortunately, I am finding the weight maintenance stage so much less rewarding (in terms of the lack of sense of achieving goals), ICBA with all that monitoring, and I am too busy with other stuff at work to come up with a tolerable weight maintenance monitoring programme for myself.

FWIW, I suspect I have a fairly high threshold for the admin side of self-monitoring, so my programme may be too burdensome. I <3 numbers. Too much time spent chasing high scores on video games as a kid, I suspect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 12 December, 2010, 06:44:32 pm
But surely my ability to climb hills will improve as if by magic if i don't weigh so much???

Nahh, it's the other way round - your weight will improve as if by magic as you get better at hill climbing.

I posted about this recently somewhere or other.  I've lost a load of weight this year, and become significantly better at hill climbing.  But I'm still nearly as good at hill climbing if you add the lost weight back in as bike or luggage.  Small changes in weight are easily lost in the noise of fitness.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 12 December, 2010, 06:45:22 pm
74.5kg is not fat

Indeed. It puts my BMI at 22.5. It's still too heavy for an endurance athlete though. I was 68kg at the start of Mille Cymru and that makes a big difference to my climbing. I think that's about as light as I want to go.

73.7 this morning.

68 kg.  ;D
That is less than my fat free body mass is at present, it's 69.5 kg.
(plus loads of fat)  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 December, 2010, 06:52:49 pm
I don't feel faster, but my numbers suggest I might be a bit. What I do notice is that when I get to to the top of hills, I feel less ruined and recover quicker.

I think I will make this my new year's res ... to feel less ruined at the top of hills  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 December, 2010, 07:02:27 pm
If you were 80kg losing weight would be worthwhile. At less than 60 I would concentrate much more on strength/ speed training.
Diet modification would be counterproductive. You don't need to be thinner, you want to be faster. Work on that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2010, 08:19:14 pm
It depends on body fat. Put it this way, my 68kg was at 6 feet. At 74kg I was told - by a sports physiologist - that I had too much fat (18%).  I was average in terms of weight.

Losing the fat but not the muscle certainly made me a better climber.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2010, 08:26:18 pm
Oh, when I was 18 I weighed 53kg.  I weigh about 73kg at the moment.  I used to wear 28" jeans in my early-mid 20s, now it's 32".  If my weight went back down as low as 60kg, I'd be borderline underweight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 December, 2010, 08:33:17 pm
Yeah, but simon, you're a bloke.
Wimmin have more fat, we're supposed to.

Feline, how tall are you? Do the BMI thingy and if you're in the normal level stop worrying about the weight and work on the speed/strength. Push big gears, cross train, climb big hills, work work work, ride with faster people, all that stuff. The weight will take of itself, unless you're a greedy fat bloater which you'd have discovered before now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 December, 2010, 09:14:01 pm
Yeah, but simon, you're a bloke.
Wimmin have more fat, we're supposed to.

Feline, how tall are you? Do the BMI thingy and if you're in the normal level stop worrying about the weight and work on the speed/strength. Push big gears, cross train, climb big hills, work work work, ride with faster people, all that stuff. The weight will take of itself, unless you're a greedy fat bloater which you'd have discovered before now.


I am 5'8" but I am very small boned. I wasn't totally skinny when I was 56kg, I just didn't have any excess! I could also cycle up Black Boy Hill in Bristol on a bike with 6 gears without getting out of puff, I don't think I could do that now!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 December, 2010, 09:20:18 pm
OK. Let's get something straight. Comparing yourself with who you were X years ago is a fruitless, self-tormenting waste of time. Beyond 18 (a bit later for gurls) it's a gradual downhill trend that increases in rate as time goes by. Looking back is no good at all.

Look at who you are now. In its simplest terms, physically you are the solution your body has come up with, to the problem of the life you give it. Simple as that. You want a different body, get a different life.

And that's the hard part.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2010, 09:22:57 pm
Yeah, but simon, you're a bloke.
Wimmin have more fat, we're supposed to.

Yes - I realise this.  Female athletes typically have 14-20% body fat; male 6-13%.  I just managed to get down to 13%, not below.

As we get older, healthy body fat ranges shift upwards.  I certainly wouldn't try to get anywhere near the weight I was when I was 19.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 December, 2010, 09:26:01 pm
Yes - I realise this.  Female athletes typically have 14-20% body fat; male 6-13%.  I just managed to get down to 13%, not below.

I am 22% fat. In recent times, I once managed to get it below 18% and friends and family started asking whispered questions.

"Is Chris OK?"
"Chris is looking ill, is he alright?"
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ray 6701 on 12 December, 2010, 09:35:17 pm
I'm looking at getting back to around 10% body fat by about April next year.   Currently 63.2kg & 14.4% body fat.  Hoping to do a AAA SR this season.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2010, 09:36:55 pm
Yes - I realise this.  Female athletes typically have 14-20% body fat; male 6-13%.  I just managed to get down to 13%, not below.

I am 22% fat. In recent times, I once managed to get it below 18% and friends and family started asking whispered questions.

"Is Chris OK?"
"Chris is looking ill, is he alright?"

As for me, earlier this year: "You're looking fit and healthy".

Physio: "You're quite well-toned"
Swimming instructor "You're quite well-toned"
Girlie-who-tried-to-sleep-with-me "You're well-toned"

22% fat is at the *top* of the healthy range for men in your age group.  At my current 18% I'm near the top of the healthy range for my age group.

(Reference: Diet and Fitness Resources - Shop for weight loss and home fitness equipment - Body Fat Charts (http://www.dietandfitnessresources.co.uk/info_charts/body_fat_chart.htm) )
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 December, 2010, 09:41:32 pm
I am 22% fat.

I'm 50% lard, and I can, when on form, whup your candy ass.

Feline- forget the weight loss. Do the other stuff.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 December, 2010, 09:45:24 pm
I'm 50% lard, and I can, when on form, whup your candy ass.

This is true. When you have 27 gears to my one, you are much faster than me up hills  :demon:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 December, 2010, 09:58:45 pm
I am 22% fat.

I'm 50% lard, and I can, when on form, whup your candy ass.

Feline- forget the weight loss. Do the other stuff.

yep I plan to  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 12 December, 2010, 10:14:35 pm
I think my fat levels made my LEL that little bit more comfortable, I stayed warm and with all my bony bits cushioned, could sleep on a hard floor with no bedding.
I'd still rather not have to lug the excess 10+kg of fat around, and use a thermarest next time though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 15 December, 2010, 04:40:57 pm
Have you guys seen or heard of Gaz?  He's from over on CycleChat, and I think he's genuinely amazing.  I wish I had half his willpower, he's an incredible inspiration:

 39 Stone Cyclist (http://theamazing39stonecyclist.wordpress.com/)

THANK YOU, Everyone ! - Cycle Chat Cycling Forums (http://www.cyclechat.net/topic/74224-thank-you-everyone/)

I try to think of his example everytime I eat bad stuff.  I'm doing a lot of that this autumn, and have put on a stone.   :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 January, 2011, 01:20:03 pm
Thank you, Greenbank for redoing the tables for 2011.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 01 January, 2011, 01:22:03 pm
Instigating the thread is the easiest way to make sure I can find my entry easily to update it...

I'm about 80kg at the moment and want to be under 76.2 (12st) for PBP in August. 5kg or so in 33 weeks, that's simple enough...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 January, 2011, 01:23:03 pm
That's why I jumped in as soon as I spotted it ;)

Here's hoping I actually do lose some weight this year :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 01 January, 2011, 01:33:06 pm
Instigating the thread is the easiest way to make sure I can find my entry easily to update it...

I'm about 80kg at the moment and want to be under 76.2 (12st) for PBP in August. 5kg or so in 33 weeks, that's simple enough...

I thought you were aiming for the K&SW this year, in which case you'll be wanting to shed that 5kg sooner rather than later!

Having finally acheived my base target weight in November I was going to avoid the scales for a couple of weeks to give me a chance to repair the worst of the collatoral damage caused by the holiday season.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 01 January, 2011, 02:21:55 pm
I'm in again , dropped 31 kg in 2010, hoping to continue the trend so I'll get  to my my target 85 kg in 2011
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 January, 2011, 02:29:20 pm
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cal on 01 January, 2011, 02:58:55 pm
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.

I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)

The Three Musketeers - or something like that  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 January, 2011, 02:59:55 pm
All for one, and one for all! :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 January, 2011, 03:04:20 pm
Once again I have lost weight between Christmas and NY. Down to 72.1kg today; I think I have a bit more muscle than a year ago too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dez on 01 January, 2011, 06:03:32 pm
Well, as I'm weighing myself daily anyway, I might as well join in (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42258.msg815849#msg815849) this year.

Here's the graph since the beginning of September when I started recording:

(http://dez.yacf.net/weight-20110101.png)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 January, 2011, 06:07:15 pm
That graph's going in the right sort of direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dez on 01 January, 2011, 06:14:27 pm
That graph's going in the right sort of direction.

That depends on whether you want it to go up or down… ;)

Edit: Except this is the weight loss thread isn't it :facepalm:

My consultant was quite concerned that I was losing too much weight last year and so asked me to record my weight daily. My target is to stay at about 80kg and so I'm quite pleased to see that Christmas hasn't really made any difference.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 January, 2011, 06:15:55 pm
Ah.  Sorry.  I thought you were still trying to lose a little.  Well, I kept my weight pretty stable throughout 2010, so you're in good company ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 02 January, 2011, 12:52:49 am
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.

I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)

The Three Musketeers - or something like that  :thumbsup:

Let's show them how it's done  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 January, 2011, 12:56:15 am
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.

I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)

The Three Musketeers - or something like that  :thumbsup:

Let's show them how it's done  :thumbsup:

Bloody hell - I'm 115 kg too! I'd love to be 85kg. The last 6 weeks or so have been bad for me. they account for at least 5kg of the excess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 02 January, 2011, 01:02:36 am
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

Oh I have plenty to spare  :'( I got  into a depression like state  autumn 2007 and all most quit training  plus I ate whatever I could get my hands on  until January 2010.
 There I took 3 months absence from my work and booked a place in a folk high school. I saw it asthe only way to change my life back into something useful for both my body and mind. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 02 January, 2011, 01:04:19 am
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.

I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)

The Three Musketeers - or something like that  :thumbsup:

Let's show them how it's done  :thumbsup:

Bloody hell - I'm 115 kg too! I'd love to be 85kg. The last 6 weeks or so have been bad for me. they account for at least 5kg of the excess.

You can do it, come on and join us  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 02 January, 2011, 04:41:28 pm
Having not paid much attention to my weight, I find I am 74kg, ~10kg more than I would like to be.

I shall now find out how much effect removing the lunch time cake and ensuring I cycle commute have before taking on anything more drastic.

The image of my father over Christmas will have to be sufficient motivation.   :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 03 January, 2011, 07:58:52 am
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.

I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)

The Three Musketeers - or something like that  :thumbsup:

Let's show them how it's done  :thumbsup:

Bloody hell - I'm 115 kg too! I'd love to be 85kg. The last 6 weeks or so have been bad for me. they account for at least 5kg of the excess.

I am also in the did not do well last year and now really need to get on the wagon.  112kg at the moment and looking to get down to 95 kg.

I CAN DO IT.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on 03 January, 2011, 08:45:17 am
Yep. Me too. I was 112 kg on 1st January and the most depressing thing was when I opened the old spreadsheets to start recording - I was more or less the same every time I started on a diet. I work hard, get close to 100kg, then CBA... I'm back to my cruisisng weight of 110kg before I know it.

This time, I'm trying a "decision zone" in the kitchen.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/gordon1314/floor.jpg)

That's the area in which I make most stupid food decisions. So every time I step in it, I have to pause a second and decide whether to chose a piece of friut or the usual cheese sandwich.

Will it work? Past history suggests not.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 03 January, 2011, 09:40:46 am
In a triumph of hope over experience I'm going to start posting my weight here (again!).

The only difference this year is that MrsC has rejoined WeightWatchers (online) so we're both taking things a little more seriously this time.

Current weight and targets will be published on Wednesday (and I'm NOT getting on the scales before then!)

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 January, 2011, 04:44:12 pm
Self monitoring does tend to help. It makes you more aware.

I'm hoping to have the graphs up and running soon. I wrote the script last year. It needs updating for the new calendar layout (I'm automating that part). The calendar layout is slightly painful to process due to the fact it's column oriented data but that part is functioning. The nuisance is needing to compute the week number of the first Wednesday of each month.

I should be adding BMI (optional) as well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cal on 05 January, 2011, 12:57:37 pm
So today is the first weigh day of 2011.  All the best everyone.  In a bid to shed my kilos I had a very cold 55kms ride around West Lothian today, with the back roads still treacherous and fresh snow on the high point of the A70.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 05 January, 2011, 01:00:51 pm
Instigating the thread is the easiest way to make sure I can find my entry easily to update it...

I'm about 80kg at the moment and want to be under 76.2 (12st) for PBP in August. 5kg or so in 33 weeks, that's simple enough...

I thought you were aiming for the K&SW this year, in which case you'll be wanting to shed that 5kg sooner rather than later!

If I'm not at 76.2kg by the K&SW then it'll be a handy wake-up call. I'm also cheating and taking gears on the K&SW. I may even take the soot bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 05 January, 2011, 04:21:29 pm
I forgot :-[. I'll have to do it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cal on 05 January, 2011, 04:38:45 pm
I forgot :-[. I'll have to do it tomorrow.

You clearly do not have to worry about it as much as some of the rest of us ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 05 January, 2011, 04:47:51 pm
 :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 05 January, 2011, 04:58:05 pm
I am feeling uber fat, due to the late December weather, being sick since Christmas and deciding I might as well scoff all the Christmas chocolates before I weigh myself and then try and do something about it  ;D

So I am currently 63.0kg, I think about 5kg above where I want to be by PBP. Both my work rotas have now arrived for the next 3 months so time to sit down with the calendar and see how many rides I can manage to fit in!

I am thinking I should probably give up making Brie and cranberry panini's in my george Foreman grill sadly too  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 06 January, 2011, 09:05:56 am
Unfortunately I appear to be the only person in the house eating the Christmas Cake. It was about 10" square. I therefore appear to be goingthe wrong way at the moment
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Masten on 06 January, 2011, 09:12:07 am
Christmas and New Year was hard on me too. Drinking, eating american fudge by the ounce and not really doing any sort of sports (http://www.bikester.co.uk/bicycles.html). But now, now I'm slowly picking up the pieces. Thinking of starting on the ketogenic diet, anybody have experiences with that? My exercise will consist of spinning 3 times a week and some weights twice a week. Never want to be in the gym for too long though  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 January, 2011, 09:53:37 am
December has been rough on me.  After being fairly steady all 2010, I put on a bit of weight with not riding and all the Christmas/comfort/socially expected food.  As a result, although I'm down from that peak, I am starting this year 2kg heavier than this time last year. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 January, 2011, 11:25:26 am
Amazingly, considering a) I did no exercise, and b) I didn't stint on the mince pies, I didn't put on any significant weight over Christmas.

I put this down to not drinking much booze, which was partly because I was under the weather most of the time, so didn't really feel like drinking, and partly because most of the social occasions we attended involved me being the designated driver.

I don't have any social events lined up so I'm going to try to remain "dry" in January and see if that makes a difference.

My weight has remained pretty steady since the summer, which is good, I suppose, though I really could do with losing a bit more.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 06 January, 2011, 11:44:54 am
I lost weight over Christmas (83kg to 80kg), despite last cycle commuting on Nov 11th and only doing 25km of cycling between then and 4th Jan. I put this down to:-

* Dropping my food intake when I stopped cycle commuting (hard at first but I know it's just hunger and I've got the willpower to ignore it)
* I don't eat mince pies or Christmas cake. I don't gorge on cheese and don't have much of a sweet tooth
* Cooking for a one year old who needs a fresh healthy varied diet. We plan our meals so that we can give her something from it the next day for lunch/tea. This doesn't mean our food is bland, we just take a bit out before we add the non child friendly spice/sauce/etc.

An average of 6.5 units per day over the last 30 days (with several days over 20 units) certainly has not helped, but that should be dropping back to 'safe' levels now that the festivities are over. Dropping booze intake is where I expect most of my weight loss to come from. I'm terrible if I have a stock of cans/bottles of lager in the fridge. No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 06 January, 2011, 11:47:31 am
Dropping booze intake is where I expect most of my weight loss to come from.

Me too. On the wagon for a spell. I totted up how much I was drinking, and a rest is No Bad Thing  :o.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 January, 2011, 12:07:49 pm
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.

Good idea. I should adopt the same rule.

My wife gave up booze about five years ago so I don't drink nearly so much at home as I used to (a bottle of wine or two in the evening was a regular occurrence until she gave up) but I still find it hard to resist a wind-down beer after a hard day at work.  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jacomus on 06 January, 2011, 01:07:51 pm
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.

Good idea. I should adopt the same rule.

My wife gave up booze about five years ago so I don't drink nearly so much at home as I used to (a bottle of wine or two in the evening was a regular occurrence until she gave up) but I still find it hard to resist a wind-down beer after a hard day at work.  :-\

d.


Even just that one beer becomes such a habit. I am a very habit oriented person. Bugger!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LindaG on 08 January, 2011, 04:31:15 pm
We don't have any bathroom scales.  I found myself near the weighbridge in the hospital last night and made the mistake of getting on.

82kg!   :'( :'(

No more Quality Street for Linda.

Yes, I get weighed on a weighbridge.   :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jacomus on 09 January, 2011, 07:52:15 pm
We don't have any bathroom scales.  I found myself near the weighbridge in the hospital last night and made the mistake of getting on.

82kg!   :'( :'(

No more Quality Street for Linda.

Yes, I get weighed on a weighbridge.   :D

I assume that the public nature of the weighbrige meant that you weren't nekkid. So you can knock 1-1.5kg of clothing and shoes off that :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 09 January, 2011, 09:07:41 pm
Lost 0.5kg today (470ml plus a bit more for luck).

Having tomorrow off the commute and intervals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Karla on 09 January, 2011, 09:23:52 pm
We don't have any bathroom scales.  I found myself near the weighbridge in the hospital last night and made the mistake of getting on.

82kg!   :'( :'(

No more Quality Street for Linda.

Yes, I get weighed on a weighbridge.   :D

You were obviously carrying lots of medical equipment in your pockets.  Make sure to take it out next time you get weighed!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2011, 09:57:37 pm
71.5kg: heading in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 11 January, 2011, 04:19:55 pm
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.

Have only had a drink two days out of the last seven (Thursday post footy pub and a cheeky pint on Sunday). The NHS Drinks Tracker app for the iPhone says only 2.1 units a day average for the last week (still 6.4/day average for the last 30 days though).

May take a hit when I go skiing the week after next though...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 11 January, 2011, 04:28:07 pm
The NHS Drinks Tracker app for the iPhone says only 2.1 units a day average for the last week (still 6.4/day average for the last 30 days though).

'kin hell mate!!!!!   :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 January, 2011, 08:21:13 pm
So, week one done of the diet. I'm monitoring my calories in/out on Livestrong and keeping an eye on my RHR, just in case I'm doing too much. So far so good - RHR remains at 49, and I feel tip top.

Here's Livestrong's take on my hard work this week:

(http://www.ivytodd.com/images/livestrong.jpg)

The dip on Sunday was down to a 100km ride without food. Even with over a 1000kcals of Mrs S's Stew 'n Dumplings, I was still in calorie debt overall that day.

The most striking point of this graph is that I need to to eat more! The red line is my target Net calorie line, and that target is set for me to lose 0.75Kg a week. I'm often quite a way under that. It'll be interesting to see what tomorrow's weigh-in brings.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 January, 2011, 09:03:41 am
Theoretically, I should have lost 1.2Kg last week, but the scales say I lost 0.8Kg.

These amounts are within the bounds of normal "noise", so what this says is "Chris, just follow the diet, do the exercises, and stop obsessing about graphs."

 ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 12 January, 2011, 10:03:09 am
Was down .5kg earlier in the week, but back where I started last week today. Got a colleague staying for 3 weeks, and it's curtailing my riding and increasing my beer intake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 12 January, 2011, 10:05:58 am
Am heading in the wrong direction after the first week. Have cut out all biscuits, chocs etc, but back problems mean I have been off the bike for a while which probably explains lack of progress.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 12 January, 2011, 10:07:52 am
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 January, 2011, 10:09:30 am
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.

Indeed, hence the self remonstration. However - it's a pain if, after four weeks, you realise your plan is not working. Four weeks is a long time in a training schedule.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 12 January, 2011, 12:31:26 pm
Just a pound this week.  :(

And that's with no snacks at work and three consecutive nights with no booze.  >:(

I suppose it's in the right direction...
We have now also finished almost all the Christmas goodies (why MrsC feels it necessary to make quite so much when there's only the two of us I'll never know) so things should start to get a bit better.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2011, 12:38:56 pm
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.

Weigh daily then you might have a better chance of seeing the trend faster.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 12 January, 2011, 08:59:21 pm
Ohhh, weight loss?  I'm doin it rong.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 12 January, 2011, 09:02:10 pm
^^^^^
we must be on the same diet  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 January, 2011, 10:32:14 pm
My weight loss is going cack so far, I have gone up 100g despite cycling 209 miles in a week!
Can I claim hormonal fluid retention?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 12 January, 2011, 10:34:16 pm
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.

Weigh daily then you might have a better chance of seeing the trend faster.


As long as you don't obsess over it.  Even if you weigh yourself at the same time every day, your weight can vary by a pound or two just depending on how long it is since you had a good dump or, as has been said, your hydration level.  If your weight suddenly goes up a pound or two from the day before and you can't think why, you need the restraint not to panic and starve yourself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 12 January, 2011, 10:37:25 pm
My weight loss is going cack so far, I have gone up 100g despite cycling 209 miles in a week!
Can I claim hormonal fluid retention?
I always do :).

Most actions seem to take about 10 days to register, so if you have a really good week, you might not see the results till next weeks weigh in. And vice versa.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2011, 11:21:01 pm
Muscles which are exercised more than normally may swell and absorb water...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2011, 11:41:11 pm
Muscles which are exercised more than normally may swell and absorb water...

Ahem...

Mille Cymru: before the event, I was 68kg.

Day after the event, I was 68kg.

2 days later, I was 66kg, and my jeans were no longer feeling tight around my thighs.

 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 January, 2011, 01:06:25 pm
QED  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 15 January, 2011, 02:00:58 pm
Whoops.  Have lost 7lb in 11 days.  Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Flying_Monkey on 16 January, 2011, 02:04:55 pm
Whoops.  Have lost 7lb in 11 days.  Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.

How did you do that?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hot Flatus on 16 January, 2011, 02:38:23 pm
I've just weighed myself for the first time since last summer. I'm 11st 10.... not sure I've ever been this portly before, but I have been within a couple of pounds of it most winters.  Will try to shed a stone by June.

Now, where's my cake...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on 16 January, 2011, 02:55:43 pm
I'll bring it over. I'm starving!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 16 January, 2011, 04:41:06 pm
Whoops.  Have lost 7lb in 11 days.  Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.

How did you do that?

By eating less while still cycling 17 miles each day.  By eating carefully, with plenty of fruit and vegetable intake and enough slow-release carb content to keep my energy levels up.  All the boring stuff.  It's just a matter of discipline, but it does help that I know I can do it, having done it before.

Back when I decided that I had to do something about having drifted slowly up to 15 stone, I switched to a very healthy diet, planned a careful exercise regime and lost four stone in eight months.  It was a genuinely life-changing experience, which left me fitter than I had ever been in my life and with a new habit of setting and achieving goals.  I stayed healthy, fit and active and I only drifted into being overweight again because I eventually decided to set goals based on something other than bodyweight (I moved on to strength training), partly to prove to myself and others that I hadn't strayed into anorexia.

I'll be increasing the calorie intake a notch to achieve a more sensible rate.  In any case, in my experience you get the highest return from your efforts at the beginning, with diminishing returns as time goes on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 16 January, 2011, 05:07:43 pm
Whoops.  Have lost 7lb in 11 days.  Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.

How did you do that?

By eating less while still cycling 17 miles each day.  By eating carefully, with plenty of fruit and vegetable intake and enough slow-release carb content to keep my energy levels up.  All the boring stuff.  It's just a matter of discipline, but it does help that I know I can do it, having done it before.

Back when I decided that I had to do something about having drifted slowly up to 15 stone, I switched to a very healthy diet, planned a careful exercise regime and lost four stone in eight months.  It was a genuinely life-changing experience, which left me fitter than I had ever been in my life and with a new habit of setting and achieving goals.  I stayed healthy, fit and active and I only drifted into being overweight again because I eventually decided to set goals based on something other than bodyweight (I moved on to strength training), partly to prove to myself and others that I hadn't strayed into anorexia.

I'll be increasing the calorie intake a notch to achieve a more sensible rate.  In any case, in my experience you get the highest return from your efforts at the beginning, with diminishing returns as time goes on.

7lbs is approximately 24,500 calories stored as fat.  17 miles a day may just about use up about 1000 calories per day extra so that's 11,000 calories.  The remaining 13,500 calories (let's say another 1000 per day to keep it simple) must be from calories deficit.

However, it's fairly common to lose a lot straight after christmas as you..ahem...."clear out" all those mince pies. 

I'd be surprised if 17 miles a day would support the same weight loss over the next 11 days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 January, 2011, 05:16:16 pm
It is not usually possible to lose 7lb of fat in a few days. A (starved) man's daily energy requirements only mount up to only about two thirds of a pound of fat.
Much initial weight loss is glycogen and its associated water. Some may be muscle.

This amount of weight can quickly be regained when people 'break' their diet and a few pieces of toast may result in several pounds' weight gain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 16 January, 2011, 05:40:54 pm
However, it's fairly common to lose a lot straight after christmas as you..ahem...."clear out" all those mince pies. 

I'd be surprised if 17 miles a day would support the same weight loss over the next 11 days.

Yes, I believe that's what I said.  I've already seen the rate of weight loss slow. But I'm experienced, now, at sustaining a sensible and controlled regimen for a long period of time; I'll be hitting my goals in good time.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 16 January, 2011, 06:08:17 pm
I'm slowly and steady dropping pounds of fat, I need to get my high tech weight notes from last year to check how much,
but I know I have lost 17 kg fat since October 2010.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 16 January, 2011, 07:51:34 pm
Much initial weight loss is glycogen and its associated water. Some may be muscle.

All too aware of that, which is why I'm trimming the regimen.

Quote
This amount of weight can quickly be regained when people 'break' their diet and a few pieces of toast may result in several pounds' weight gain.

Already did the bounce after the initial loss and then went on to steady loss.  It's only on the second time of hitting 12 stone that I posted.

I'm slowly and steady dropping pounds of fat, I need to get my high tech weight notes from last year to check how much,
but I know I have lost 17 kg fat since October 2010.

That's nice progress.  Is October when you started, or is that just a milestone on the way?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 16 January, 2011, 08:02:17 pm
October was just a milestone, I started January 4 2010, but had a relapse over summer, but got back into
"weight loss mode" in October. I'm trying to keep a lifestyle on maximum 2300 kcal/9700 kjoule  per day.
Plus keeping a energy ratio of 50 % carbohydrates /30% proteins / 20% fats and a minimum amount of alcohol.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cal on 17 January, 2011, 07:10:44 am
If I am recommended to eat 2,300 kcal a day to lose 2 lbs. a week and I then go and burn 2,000 kcal on a cycle, does that mean I should eat 4,300 kcal that day or just have a larger deficit that day?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 January, 2011, 01:20:57 pm
I doubt if 2,300 kcal/day would lose you significant weight unless you are very big or exercising to the tune of 800kcal per day. An average sedentary man needs around 2,500 kcal per day. A deficit of 200 kcal per day will only lose a pound of fat every two to three weeks.

You should eat some (but not excessive) extra food on the days you do long rides. Suffering 'the bonk' is no fun.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 17 January, 2011, 01:55:04 pm
You should eat some (but not excessive) extra food on the days you do long rides. Suffering 'the bonk' is no fun.

Unless you are used to it anyway.

I rode the first 150km of a blustery audax on Saturday, having eaten just a small bowl of cereal of breakfast, and a couple of digestives. My total input for the day was just over 2500kcals, and estimated burn was 4500kcals.

That said - at the 150km mark I did properly bonk, and had to resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration before I could carry on ;).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 17 January, 2011, 02:02:00 pm
I burn 1500-1800 extra kcal a day, depending which piece of software I choose to believe. Livestrong calculated my basal metabolic rate + background light activity to buy me  1600 kcal a day if I want to lose 1.5lbs a week (ie 7000kcal deficit for the week). Livestrong offsets additional activity, so I am "allowed" 3300kcal and should still lose weight. I did this last year, and lost a steady .75kg a week. I lost 25kg this way.

The problem I've found is that because I habitually do a lot of physical activity, I habitually eat like a pig. During December/ early January, I barely rode and managed to gain 4kg! OK, a big part of that was festive drinking + friend staying for 2 weeks and buying lots of beer. Still, I have been surprise at how quickly I can put the weight back on.

Back to porridge and apples it is then!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 17 January, 2011, 02:05:04 pm
You should eat some (but not excessive) extra food on the days you do long rides. Suffering 'the bonk' is no fun.

Unless you are used to it anyway.

I rode the first 150km of a blustery audax on Saturday, having eaten just a small bowl of cereal of breakfast, and a couple of digestives. My total input for the day was just over 2500kcals, and estimated burn was 4500kcals.

That said - at the 150km mark I did properly bonk, and had to resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration before I could carry on ;).

I only resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration when absolutely necessary, which is nearly always.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 17 January, 2011, 02:06:49 pm
I only resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration when absolutely necessary, which is nearly always.

Oh, it was necessary! I was at the "eyes rolling back in the head" stage. The 25mph againsterly at the time, didn't exactly help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 17 January, 2011, 02:23:39 pm

The problem I've found is that because I habitually do a lot of physical activity, I habitually eat like a pig. During December/ early January, I barely rode and managed to gain 4kg! OK, a big part of that was festive drinking + friend staying for 2 weeks and buying lots of beer. Still, I have been surprise at how quickly I can put the weight back on.


This is a hidden gotcha in being fit and eating responsibly; the more you do of that, the more you train your body to process food efficiently.  This means that you will gain more weight from a tub of ice cream or a cheeseburger than somebody who is overweight and unfit.  You also need to expend more effort to lose the weight, although your fitness level should mean you don't find it nearly so much of a chore.

I find it easy to recover from the occasional indulgence, like a rich meal at a restaurant, while the accumulated pounds from backsliding over a longer period are more of a challenge.  I suppose it would be easier to be less active and drop back my calorie intake to match, but being active and fit is too much fun ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Flying_Monkey on 17 January, 2011, 05:59:40 pm
(lots of stuff)

Okay, I get it now. Given you starting weight, it's also not so astounding - i.e. as a percentage. If I lost that much that quickly, I would be worried, given I am still not 10 stone, even being a stone more than I'd like.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 17 January, 2011, 06:02:08 pm
(lots of stuff)

Okay, I get it now. Given you starting weight, it's also not so astounding - i.e. as a percentage. If I lost that much that quickly, I would be worried, given I am still not 10 stone, even being a stone more than I'd like.

Slightly confused by that.  Do you mean you are under or over 10 stone?  If under, which direction are you trying to move in?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 17 January, 2011, 06:05:18 pm
The bonk can be nasty, but I wonder if it even comes close to a proper diabetic hypo?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 January, 2011, 06:23:18 pm
The bonk can be nasty, but I wonder if it even comes close to a proper diabetic hypo?

IME as Audax control helper, rider and ER physician, bonk can cause confusion, lack of power and aggression but is never immediately life-threatening.

A severe diabetic hypo can cause unconsciousness and DETH. The human brain is an obligate user of sugar (in 'normal' circumstances) and severe acute sugar deprivation can damage the brain like oxygen lack can.

The physiological compensatory measures in someone who is not given external insulin are almost always sufficient to prevent permanent damage. (A(n over)dose of insulin can kill anyone dead.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: EdinburghFixed on 17 January, 2011, 06:32:03 pm

The problem I've found is that because I habitually do a lot of physical activity, I habitually eat like a pig. During December/ early January, I barely rode and managed to gain 4kg! OK, a big part of that was festive drinking + friend staying for 2 weeks and buying lots of beer. Still, I have been surprise at how quickly I can put the weight back on.


This is a hidden gotcha in being fit and eating responsibly; the more you do of that, the more you train your body to process food efficiently.  This means that you will gain more weight from a tub of ice cream or a cheeseburger than somebody who is overweight and unfit.  You also need to expend more effort to lose the weight, although your fitness level should mean you don't find it nearly so much of a chore.

If you think about it, a given cheeseburger has X amount of calories in it (you can even find out how much by combusting it and measuring the heat given off). Fat also contains a predefined amount of energy, ~3500 kcal per lb. From this we can see that it's really not possible for anyone to put on a different amount of weight from anyone else if they both eat an identical burger (over and above their notional "maintenance intake").

Similarly, both Lance and Joe Sofa need to burn an extra 3500kcal to lose a pound of weight. Lance will actually find it much easier to accomplish because for the same perceived effort, he can produce a lot more watts, i.e. burn more calories. At a cruisy 5/10 effort Lance is probably tearing through more than a thousand calories an hour, compared with Joe Sofa who manages to walk for an hour (if that), burning a hundred calories...

I'd suggest this phenomenon is more likely to be explained by the fact that an active person habitually maintains a dietary surplus (albiet one that is consumed by their daily activity), so when they "let their hair down" on the diet/exercise front, they could already be 500 kcal or more up on their maintenance requirements. Not so Joe Sofa, who doesn't exercise anyway and therefore can't slack in the same way.

I used to have a 175 mile week, commuting. I ate like a horse and my weight stayed stable. When I moved to a job 15 minutes down the road, I'd have been gaining more than 2lbs a week if I hadn't cut down on the cake too!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 17 January, 2011, 06:46:27 pm
Thanks for that, Helen!  Yes, although when the diabetic nurses spoke about this on the DAFNE course, they reckoned almost all non-alcohol-involved hypos, even severe ones requiring intervention, would probably be non-life threatening, and that they were to be avoided mostly because of the unconsciousness and loss of control.  ISTR they brought up one murder case where a nurse injected her husband with 10ml of insulin (i.e. 1000 units) to kill him.  A standard pizza requires around 8 units for the average person, by comparison.

I dunno though, I'm not an expert.  I know I don't like hypos though.  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 17 January, 2011, 06:51:19 pm
There is another hormone called glucagon that does the opposite to insulin in the body. This I believe would prevent a full on hypoglycaemic coma in a non-diabetic person (unless, as Helly said, they are given a large overdose of insulin).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 January, 2011, 07:34:16 pm
Thanks for that, Helen!  Yes, although when the diabetic nurses spoke about this on the DAFNE course, they reckoned almost all non-alcohol-involved hypos, even severe ones requiring intervention, would probably be non-life threatening, and that they were to be avoided mostly because of the unconsciousness and loss of control.  ISTR they brought up one murder case where a nurse injected her husband with 10ml of insulin (i.e. 1000 units) to kill him.  A standard pizza requires around 8 units for the average person, by comparison.

I dunno though, I'm not an expert.  I know I don't like hypos though.  :D

Partner's diabetic widowed father lives alone and has fallen down stairs as a result of a hypo. Not good...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 January, 2011, 07:40:57 pm
There is another hormone called glucagon that does the opposite to insulin in the body. This I believe would prevent a full on hypoglycaemic coma in a non-diabetic person (unless, as Helly said, they are given a large overdose of insulin).

Glucagon is/was used by ambulance crews to treat diabetic hypos.

IV syrup 50% Glucose can damage veins and any other tissue if the IV gets displaced. Works wonders though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on 17 January, 2011, 08:00:22 pm
I'd suggest this phenomenon is more likely to be explained by the fact that an active person habitually maintains a dietary surplus (albiet one that is consumed by their daily activity), so when they "let their hair down" on the diet/exercise front, they could already be 500 kcal or more up on their maintenance requirements. Not so Joe Sofa, who doesn't exercise anyway and therefore can't slack in the same way.


I agree. The thought that someone can make more out of the same calories than someone else seems like perpetual motion. Or maybe the person that puts on less weight than the other one is just pooing more pieces of sweet corn?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 17 January, 2011, 08:12:47 pm


I agree. The thought that someone can make more out of the same calories than someone else seems like perpetual motion.

Why?  Is the fact that one car can go faster or farther than another on on a litre of petrol perpetual motion?  If nothing else, there are specific medical conditions which inhibit the ability to process food efficiently.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 17 January, 2011, 08:38:48 pm
Labradors can do lots of miles to the gallon. This is a cruel reality given that they are also born with the world's largest appetites!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 17 January, 2011, 08:41:18 pm
Back in the days when I was a regular at the gym, the majority of the CV machines would tell you (its best guess at) your calories burned, if told truthfully what one weighed.  It entertained me no end that when I started out I pretty much only had to look at the cross trainer for it to tell me I'd burned off 6 cream cakes and a mars bar just by getting my heffalumpiness up the blinking stairs to the gym and getting on the machine.  A year in, and a good 3 stone lighter, I had to properly work hard to burn the same.  Always found that mildly annoying.

Lugging around an extra stone or six is hard work.  
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 17 January, 2011, 08:42:13 pm
If you think about it, a given cheeseburger has X amount of calories in it (you can even find out how much by combusting it and measuring the heat given off). Fat also contains a predefined amount of energy, ~3500 kcal per lb. From this we can see that it's really not possible for anyone to put on a different amount of weight from anyone else if they both eat an identical burger (over and above their notional "maintenance intake").


Now, this is just fascinating.  I'm not disagreeing with you about the subjective experience of effort, weight gain and loss but both you and Jaded seem to be presenting calorie conversion and weight gain as a process governed entirely by some universal constant, no more able to vary than the speed of light in a vacuum.  You seem to be saying that if a food contains a certain calorific value, all people will extract that maximum and - assuming they have already consumed their minimum requirement for sustenance - do exactly the same thing with it.  I do find that quite remarkable.

I can see an urgent need for some careful experiments here, to see how much weight people in different inertial frames of reference put on after eating the same food.  The potential is amazing.

I won't even bring up the question of context, where the obese person may well have already eaten 2 hamburgers before venturing on the one under examination.  That's not classical gastronomic physics and would only cloud the issue.

:P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on 17 January, 2011, 08:45:04 pm
If they don't extract the calorific value, where does it go to?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 17 January, 2011, 08:45:25 pm
If they don't extract the calorific vale, where does it go to?

It goes to shit  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on 17 January, 2011, 08:46:03 pm
That's what I said.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 January, 2011, 08:52:22 pm
Most people who are given 3,500 kcal more than they need, will gain a pound of fat. sad but true.
Some people who are given too much food may generate more heat but most get more lardy.

Those with a large mass of muscle will burn more energy just sitting still and lugging extra lard everywhere will increase energy requirements but the simple (though oft unpalatable) truth is that energy in excess to requirements is stored as fat and body fat is burnt off if energy intake is insufficient for output.

Burn rates do vary between individuals, but not very much in reality.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 January, 2011, 08:54:38 pm
If they don't extract the calorific vale, where does it go to?

It goes to shit  ;D

People with healthy guts will extract most of the calories from their food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 17 January, 2011, 09:09:07 pm
I used to preach a simplistic equation to my clients with obese pets: if you eat x and burn off y then you gain x-y in weight.

However over the years my experiences of dealing with this issue and working with so many different people and their pets (some in denial, some absolutely transparent weighing and recording everything) that I have come to realise that is really isn't that simple. I suppose there may be more genetic variation between my patients than there is between humans, but they definitely have different metabolic rates and different ways of dealing with whatever nutrition they are fed.

I am a bit of a piglet and always have been. I have always scoffed whole tins of Roses chocolates and things like this over Christmas, and most of the time put on no weight at all until pretty recent times. As a student when I was broke and hungry I used to do the Cadbury's Creme egg bet; get someone to bet me I couldnt eat 10 creme eggs in one go without vomiting and if I did they got to buy the Creme eggs. I could also do 5 king sized Mars bars. I knew I could easily eat them and more  :smug: Despite all this gluttony I remained a size 8 no matter what I ate. I am notoriously bad at sitting still though, and have always been told I'm burning it all off with 'nervous energy'.

I really believe that genetics and luck play a huuuuuuge part in what we can get away with. If it didn't then I would be 15 stone and some of my friends would be very skinny.

Metabolism is an incredibly complex thing to understand. There are literally hundreds of chemicals and hormones that affect the way nutrients are absorbed, broken down, stored and used. I know it isn't an excuse for being obese and failing to lose weight though, whatever hand you are dealt you can still lose weight by reducing what you eat and exercising more. But we are not all alike and it is for some much harder than others.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 17 January, 2011, 10:55:14 pm
s a student when I was broke and hungry I used to do the Cadbury's Creme egg bet; get someone to bet me I couldnt eat 10 creme eggs in one go without vomiting and if I did they got to buy the Creme eggs. I could also do 5 king sized Mars bars. I knew I could easily eat them and more  :smug: Despite all this gluttony I remained a size 8 no matter what I ate.

You do have to be careful, though, with this kind of anecdote.  For one thing, while this represented gluttony to you, to other people it's a level of consumption they barely notice they're doing.  Maybe they don't wolf 10 creme eggs in one go, but they may well consume the equivalent in 30 or 40 minutes, through constant snacking.  One place I worked, I remember watching, appalled, as a women I was talking to ate an entire huge pack of kettle chips while talking to me.  It took her less than five minutes and I doubt it registered as more than a snack.  Human being's personal norms are very adaptable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 18 January, 2011, 10:05:17 am
I used to preach a simplistic equation to my clients with obese pets: if you eat x and burn off y then you gain x-y in weight.

However over the years my experiences of dealing with this issue and working with so many different people and their pets (some in denial, some absolutely transparent weighing and recording everything) that I have come to realise that is really isn't that simple. I suppose there may be more genetic variation between my patients than there is between humans, but they definitely have different metabolic rates and different ways of dealing with whatever nutrition they are fed.

Exactly (and since you go on to mention metabolism), if you change the equation to:-

Eat: x
Burn off: y
Basal Metabolic Rate: z

diff = x - y - z

But you can't measure BMR easily, especially not in an animal. And, as you say, BMR is affected by lots of things.

I had a friend who was one of the 'eat anything, always skinny, lots of energy, didn't need much sleep, never felt the cold'. Classic hyperthyroid symptoms; unchecked it could have led to lots of problems in later life, luckily it was diagnosed and he was put on TSH suppressants.

Hypothyroidism (the opposite symptoms, plus a whole lot more) is surprisingly common and undiagnosed in huge numbers of the population (10% of women according to some estimates).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 18 January, 2011, 07:36:10 pm
I used to preach a simplistic equation to my clients with obese pets: if you eat x and burn off y then you gain x-y in weight.

However over the years my experiences of dealing with this issue and working with so many different people and their pets (some in denial, some absolutely transparent weighing and recording everything) that I have come to realise that is really isn't that simple. I suppose there may be more genetic variation between my patients than there is between humans, but they definitely have different metabolic rates and different ways of dealing with whatever nutrition they are fed.

Exactly (and since you go on to mention metabolism), if you change the equation to:-

Eat: x
Burn off: y
Basal Metabolic Rate: z

diff = x - y - z

But you can't measure BMR easily, especially not in an animal. And, as you say, BMR is affected by lots of things.

I had a friend who was one of the 'eat anything, always skinny, lots of energy, didn't need much sleep, never felt the cold'. Classic hyperthyroid symptoms; unchecked it could have led to lots of problems in later life, luckily it was diagnosed and he was put on TSH suppressants.

Hypothyroidism (the opposite symptoms, plus a whole lot more) is surprisingly common and undiagnosed in huge numbers of the population (10% of women according to some estimates).

Yeah, when I stick obese pets on a diet, if they have lost nothing at the first check after 3 weeks I run bloods on them and check particularly their thyroid function. Maybe about 1 in 25 of them might come back as being hypothyroid. It's actually great when they do since it's generally much easier to give your dog 2 tablets a day rather than adhere to a strict diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 19 January, 2011, 09:45:30 am
Missed last week's weigh-in, but did it today.  I've lost 3kg in two weeks.  :smug:  I have rewarded myself with an egg & bacon sandwich this morning and will top off the reward with a pint tonight.

I've decided that I will buy my own scales rather than using the ones in the gym.  In the gym the scales reside at the edge of the exercise area, not in the locker room.  I want to weight me, not me and my clothing (only using the gym for shower and locker ATM).  Also, they seem to have new scales every few months - I'd like some consistency of measurement.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LindaG on 19 January, 2011, 11:45:00 am
I have put weight on.  This may be due to having friends round for three courses, wine, beer, and whisky, and nibbles, last night.

Back on the regime today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 19 January, 2011, 12:57:50 pm

1,5 kg down since last week.
I have started to run for the first time in 20  or so years  :o never thought that would happen.
But I hope to keep the slow and steady weightloss and increase the amount of trainig, now that all the
ice and snow are gone. :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 19 January, 2011, 03:07:36 pm
I haven't been to Granny Annie's for ages, which is where the scales live! Last time I visited they told me that I had put on an absolute shedload of weight since last summer.  My jeans are telling me that I may have lost a bit of that since Christmas, but jeans have been known to lie!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 20 January, 2011, 09:31:18 am
the first kilo off is the easiest
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 21 January, 2011, 10:40:28 pm
Yay I have lost 2kg in a week while eating lots of pub lunches, drinking a couple of glasses of wine in the evenings and continuing with my brie and cranberry pannini fetish.
Of course it might just have been I was retaining fluid before and now I'm not. Having said that I have ridden over 400 miles in less than 3 weeks  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 23 January, 2011, 05:08:01 pm
Posting this here for posterity as this evening and tomorrow may be somewhat less... restrained. See if you can spot the audax days  ;D

(http://www.ivytodd.com/images/livestrong2.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 January, 2011, 10:43:26 pm
I am in the process of a de-clutter, and I found what we shall refer to as

The Motivational Picture.
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/bloater.jpg)

That smiling youngster is No1Son, and the babe in arms a 6 week old No2Daughter.


It's working wonders. I have completely lost my appetite. Even for Cake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 27 January, 2011, 10:24:32 am
Bored of no change, but can't be arsed to go back to full-on Livestrong self-monitoring of diet. Wish it was warmer/sunnier so I was more motivated to do some longer rides.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 January, 2011, 07:00:58 pm
Until today 1 I've had no 'treats' at work (no cakes for birthdays, nothing from the sweetie machine).
This year we have already had more alcohol free days than we managed in the whole of last year.
I am trying very hard to stick to the Weight Watchers diet plan we successfully used last time

So why am I not losing weight.  ???

I do need to get out on the bike more.  Three flats in a week and a half haven't helped (and that's one of tomorrow's tasks - what's wrong with that front wheel or tyre).

 >:( >:(

S

1) Today I succumbed to a flapjack2
2) It was pretty horrible and gave me indigestion.  Which might make it easier to resist a repeat occurrence I supposed
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 28 January, 2011, 07:10:02 pm
I am in the process of a de-clutter, and I found what we shall refer to as

The Motivational Picture.
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/bloater.jpg)

That smiling youngster is No1Son, and the babe in arms a 6 week old No2Daughter.


It's working wonders. I have completely lost my appetite. Even for Cake.

Awww your kids look very cute, no one is supposed to be skinny with a 6 week old baby you know!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 January, 2011, 07:28:21 pm
I am in the process of a de-clutter, and I found what we shall refer to as

The Motivational Picture.
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/bloater.jpg)

That smiling youngster is No1Son, and the babe in arms a 6 week old No2Daughter.


It's working wonders. I have completely lost my appetite. Even for Cake.

Awww your kids look very cute, no one is supposed to be skinny with a 6 week old baby you know!!!

I thought it was a rather lovely Earth Mother pic too...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 28 January, 2011, 10:43:19 pm
Until today 1 I've had no 'treats' at work (no cakes for birthdays, nothing from the sweetie machine).
This year we have already had more alcohol free days than we managed in the whole of last year.
I am trying very hard to stick to the Weight Watchers diet plan we successfully used last time

So why am I not losing weight.  ???

Stopping adding weight is progress in itself.  I'm guessing that in both indulging in treats and having come off the diet plan, you were putting it back on again, even if slowly; I apologise if that's wrong.

How did your diet change after the weight watchers plan?  Even though you had relaxed your regime, were you still eating more sensibly than you had been pre-plan?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 January, 2011, 10:56:06 pm
  I'm guessing that in both indulging in treats and having come off the diet plan, you were putting it back on again, even if slowly; I apologise if that's wrong.

How did your diet change after the weight watchers plan?  Even though you had relaxed your regime, were you still eating more sensibly than you had been pre-plan?
Oh yes, much more sensible than we used to be. Eight years ago I was 17 stone. Over six months or so I managed to lose over five stone. A year later I was a hell of a lot fitter and feeling better than I had done for years. The trouble is that the weight is starting to creep up. I'm now thirteen-nine and would like to get back to under twelve. MrsC also wants to lose weight, but her current job isn't helping. Lots of travelling and nights away.
But we'll get there...
S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 28 January, 2011, 11:13:59 pm
Aye, well, it'll be slower now.  You may have slipped some, but you hadn't gone back to the eating habits of 17 stone, so reverting to a disciplined diet is making less of a difference, simply because it's less of a change.  You probably need to add in exercise if you want to see faster results.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 02 February, 2011, 10:44:17 am
Up a kilo! How did that happen?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 02 February, 2011, 10:49:38 am
Up a kilo! How did that happen?  :facepalm:

How often do you weigh yourself?  While daily is probably too often unless you have a lot of discipline, weekly is, I think, too little; the problem is that your bodyweight can vary by more than a kilo during the day as you eat, drink and excrete.  If you weigh yourself every two or three days, blips will show up as blips.  If you weigh yourself only once a week, you can be waiting a long time for an accurate picture.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 February, 2011, 10:57:34 am
Gah!  Not making progress.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 02 February, 2011, 11:16:44 am
Up a kilo! How did that happen?  :facepalm:

How often do you weigh yourself?  While daily is probably too often unless you have a lot of discipline, weekly is, I think, too little; the problem is that your bodyweight can vary by more than a kilo during the day as you eat, drink and excrete.  If you weigh yourself every two or three days, blips will show up as blips.  If you weigh yourself only once a week, you can be waiting a long time for an accurate picture.


Yeah, just once a week. I guess I could log daily. It would need to be routine for me to remember.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 02 February, 2011, 11:18:28 am
Leaving aside the whole "fixating on weight" argument, I think the only reason to weigh yourself often (like more frequently than once a month) is if you are in any doubt about your weight loss strategy.

Weight loss comes from a daily calorie deficit. If you're confident in your calorie deficit monitoring and strategy, there's no need to weigh that frequently.

Most people want to lose fat, not necessarily weight. Typically, one would fat monitor infrequently - once a month at most.

This is tough if you need feedback to drive motivation - but therein lies the trap, because fat loss happens quite slowly, and you just don't get good feedback a lot of the time. It's a long term thing - engage a plan that works, and stick to it for weeks and weeks and weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 02 February, 2011, 11:25:10 am
I've had a rotten cold/cough for a couple of weeks; losing weight has been a zero priority. So I haven't. Back in play now, though.

I at least managed to keep off the drink, though a glass of red & a brandy at bedtime was mighty tempting when I was feeling really bad last week.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 02 February, 2011, 11:26:16 am
Up 1kg since I last weighed myself two weeks ago.  Considering I've been off the bike a 1.5 wks and doing a bit of 'comfort eating' I guess I shouldn't be disappointed.

I now have my own scale, so no longer have to make sure I get to the gym so I can weigh myself and don't ahve to worry about the gym replacing scales 2-3 times during the year.  I don't mind if a scale isn't 100% accurate, but I do appreciate it being off the same amount all year long.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 02 February, 2011, 11:27:20 am
A frequent log doesn't have to be a permanent thing, but if you're unsure of your real progress, particularly at the start, then it can help and provide that feedback you mentioned.o

I made extensive use of the Wii Fit during the early months of my weight loss; the weight graph was just another data point among all the other goals and metrics.  Weighing myself several times a week simply provided context and a good picture of how my subjective feelings matched up to my physical progress.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 02 February, 2011, 11:28:44 am
I bought some fat calipers. Interestingly, they give the same reading as the Tanita scales that use the daft impedance method.

Either way, the reading is too much. Way too much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2011, 11:29:10 am
I weigh myself daily when I'm trying to lose weight. There's a reason for this: my Salter digital scales are fairly inaccurate. I can weigh myself twice in quick succession and the two readings can vary by as much as 1.5kg. Each day I record in a spreadsheet what it alleges that I weigh and every week take the average of that, on the assumption that the inaccuracies cancel themselves out over a period.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 02 February, 2011, 11:31:36 am
I bought some fat calipers. Interestingly, they give the same reading as the Tanita scales that use the daft impedance method.

Either way, the reading is too much. Way too much.

Calipers are very difficult to use accurately on yourself.  Not that easy on others, either.  And people are different shapes, so I'm not sure it's much more useful than the hateful BMI, unless you're really aiming for some extreme bodybuilding regime where cutting back the fat to silly low levels earns you prizes for muscle definition.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 February, 2011, 11:33:28 am
Leaving aside the whole "fixating on weight" argument, I think the only reason to weigh yourself often (like more frequently than once a month) is if you are in any doubt about your weight loss strategy.

Weight loss comes from a daily calorie deficit. If you're confident in your calorie deficit monitoring and strategy, there's no need to weigh that frequently.

Most people want to lose fat, not necessarily weight. Typically, one would fat monitor infrequently - once a month at most.

This is tough if you need feedback to drive motivation - but therein lies the trap, because fat loss happens quite slowly, and you just don't get good feedback a lot of the time. It's a long term thing - engage a plan that works, and stick to it for weeks and weeks and weeks.

People who weigh themselves more frequently lose more weight, though. (On average).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 02 February, 2011, 11:43:12 am
Leaving aside the whole "fixating on weight" argument, I think the only reason to weigh yourself often (like more frequently than once a month) is if you are in any doubt about your weight loss strategy.

Weight loss comes from a daily calorie deficit. If you're confident in your calorie deficit monitoring and strategy, there's no need to weigh that frequently.

Most people want to lose fat, not necessarily weight. Typically, one would fat monitor infrequently - once a month at most.

This is tough if you need feedback to drive motivation - but therein lies the trap, because fat loss happens quite slowly, and you just don't get good feedback a lot of the time. It's a long term thing - engage a plan that works, and stick to it for weeks and weeks and weeks.

People who weigh themselves more frequently lose more weight, though. (On average).


Maybe frequent feedback does help then - even when it's negative.

The scales say I've not lost weight this week - but I know I have. I'm within about 5Kg of my target, which isn't much in the grand scheme of things. I'm about to start upping my resistance work which will be a shock to the system. Shocks to the system can be a Good Thing and can help kick you off a weight plateau.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LindaG on 02 February, 2011, 01:27:55 pm
Back almost to square one, thanks to sitting on my arse drinking wine and whisky and chocolate that people keep giving me.

And my birthday, which involved much cheese.

Flowers would have been better as I would not have eaten them.

Ah, well.  Back to the regime today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 02 February, 2011, 03:22:50 pm
Extremely happy to find myself 3kg less than I thought I was.  This bodes well for my weight this year, assuming I can stop myself buying quite so many Waitrose NY cheesecakes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 02 February, 2011, 05:14:34 pm
It does help if you take of your helmet-cam (and helmet) when getting on the scales.  I can understand that you don't notice you have it on, most of the time
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 02 February, 2011, 08:53:09 pm
This week we are going for consistency...

...as last week, the week before, the week before that...

At least I'm not putting anything on.

However, be positive!  Today I did not ride ('cos it's Wednesday and I have to go to Tesco's) and I remembered to only take one roll for lunchtime instead of two (usual cycling at lunchtime ration), and I didn't buy any of the nice cakes in the wholefoods shop.  Little steps!

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 06 February, 2011, 03:16:36 pm
Have lost 14 pounds in 32 days.   Time to slow down and stabilise. At this point, I really am only carrying a few extra pounds, so why have they all formed a defensive huddle on my stomach?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 February, 2011, 03:41:44 pm
Tummy fat is different from other fat.
It is 'unhealhy'.
I have usually found it shifted faster than other fat but obviously, you are different.
Boring aerobic activity may help. (Walking type pace)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 06 February, 2011, 05:43:07 pm
I have usually found it shifted faster than other fat but obviously, you are different.
Boring aerobic activity may help. (Walking type pace)

At my slimmest, before I started strength training, I was 10 stone 10, which is really as light as I ever should be, with my build.  Still had a small pot, despite all kinds of aerobic exercise (walking, step exercises, treadmill, cross-trainer, Wii dancing games and more). 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 06 February, 2011, 06:54:15 pm
Good thread this. I wish I could find the motivation to lose weight, I just don't seem to have the desire or able to find it, whilst it makes me a right misery arse being a fatty it obviously doesn't upset me enough to make a serious effort to lose it other wise I would have done it by now.

Fair play to those that can do it, it's no mean feat, I seem to be one of those that puts weight on just by looking at a cake, I have clothes in about 5 different sizes  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 06 February, 2011, 10:21:49 pm
Good thread this. I wish I could find the motivation to lose weight, I just don't seem to have the desire or able to find it, whilst it makes me a right misery arse being a fatty it obviously doesn't upset me enough to make a serious effort to lose it other wise I would have done it by now.

It sounds as if it does upset you, though.

Quote
Fair play to those that can do it, it's no mean feat, I seem to be one of those that puts weight on just by looking at a cake, I have clothes in about 5 different sizes  :facepalm:

Oh, I know how that goes.  I remember trying to put off buying the next size up of jeans by going commando, that kind of thing.

I love food, always have.  I just learned to love it a different way ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 06 February, 2011, 11:46:13 pm
Oh yeah, it does upset me, but my point was it obviously doesn't upset me enough, otherwise I'd do something about it.

I think the main problem is that all the easy obvious things that you can cut down on or remove from your diet, I already don't eat. Don't eat cakes, chocolate, biscuits, crisps, chips, beer, fried food, takeaways etc etc...

I just like really good, proper, freshly prepared food and lots of it. Love lots of bread, pasta, rice, legumes etc which are all bad. I've tried eating smaller portions but more often to speed my metabolism up as I generally only eat one decent meal a day, but I couldn't hack it.

Basically, I can't be arsed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 09 February, 2011, 06:36:54 pm
Woo Hoo! I bought a jumper earlier. I got a Large - as usual. IT'S TOO BIG  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 February, 2011, 10:57:29 pm
Have you not heard?  All sizes officially moved up one last week.  ;D

Seriously though, good work.  All those miles are burning some calories after all!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 09 February, 2011, 11:36:55 pm
Oh yeah, it does upset me, but my point was it obviously doesn't upset me enough, otherwise I'd do something about it.

I think the main problem is that all the easy obvious things that you can cut down on or remove from your diet, I already don't eat. Don't eat cakes, chocolate, biscuits, crisps, chips, beer, fried food, takeaways etc etc...

I just like really good, proper, freshly prepared food and lots of it. Love lots of bread, pasta, rice, legumes etc which are all bad. I've tried eating smaller portions but more often to speed my metabolism up as I generally only eat one decent meal a day, but I couldn't hack it.

Basically, I can't be arsed.

You sound like me.  You say you obviously aren't upset enough, but weight-loss isn't as clear cut as that.  Many people get so upset about over-eating that they over-eat, it's clearly quite complex (skinny folk don't understand, we should "pull ourselves together").

I enjoy eating and I know I eat too much but I actually enjoy being slim more than I enjoy eating too much food.

The problem is that feeling good about being slim is a conscious, higher-brain function, whilst enjoying food is an unconcious activity, you're fighting all manner of natural "highs" you get from eating.  Food is pretty addictive stuff, try going without.

Right now I'm in weight-loss mode.  I have PBP as a focus and I'm going to get from around 15 stone to under 13 stone by August (12-7 is my target but maybe that's too much, we'll see), my conscious brain is winning right now but my unconcious brain is waiting for me to finish PBP and spend the next 30 years rewarding me for my valiant effort.  I could go from 12st7 to 15st from August to Jan 1st, no problem whatsoever.

What I really want to do is stay <13st after PBP.  I want to make this a "for life" thing, make it a natural way of eating rather than a challenging diet for big Audax rides followed by months of "reward".

Being slim is just better.  

I'm just targetting 1 pound per week with a 4 pounds per calendar month backup policy (just so I don't get disheartened when I inevitably plateau for a week or two).  Once I start the 300/400/600km rides it will be no problem.

Even 0.5 pounds a week is 2 stone a year and all I need to get a perfect BMI.  0.5 pounds a week is 1750Kcals a week defecit, or 250Kcals a day.  That's just 2 slices of buttered bread a day to sacrifice or about 30 minutes cycling.  It's easy but it all depends how much you want it.

You say you aren't upset enough.  what would you prefer, (a) a nice big meal every day or (b) being slim and a nice big meal at the weekend?  I'm opting for (b) right now, whereas usually it's (a) several times a day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 09 February, 2011, 11:52:50 pm
Good god, having done pretty well so far and lost 2.5kg I have now gone up 0.4kg this week, I blame fluid retention ... again grrr.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 February, 2011, 12:06:08 am
Good god, having done pretty well so far and lost 2.5kg I have now gone up 0.4kg this week, I blame fluid retention ... again grrr.

Fluid retention is not fat. I'd not worry about that if I were you.

I lost a fair bit last Saturday on the WARTY, but that was mostly fluid. The gradual trend is downwards (about 4kg so far this year).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 10 February, 2011, 01:05:08 pm
I enjoy eating and I know I eat too much but I actually enjoy being slim more than I enjoy eating too much food.

Hmmm I don't recall enjoying being slim, that is I didn't notice any positive change that I would consciously put down to being slimmer at the time, if anything I didn't really notice it apart from when people would ask me if I'd lost a bit of weight. I haven't weighed myself in months but I feel about the same so that will be a gnats knacker shy of 18 stone.

My trouble is I don't feel like it's a massive burden, I bound up stairs, battle up hills and into the wind without too much bother (it's not much fun granted but I can manage it) it's not like I'm constantly moaning that my weight is holding me back. Of course there's no doubt I could be a much better cyclist and gain long term benefits from getting back down to my previous 13stone, but even those things aren't a big enough motivator to get me shedding weight.

My attitude is a bit "so what if don't become and uber audaxer doing 400k every weekend, I can still jump on the bike and do 50 miles without too much bother which is about 40 miles more than the average person".

If my weight was a serious burden and I huffed and puffed everywhere and struggled to get round 10 miles on the bike I might be tempted to make a start. It's a strange place to be and I'm not sure what it will take for me to do it.

Another factor like you mention is that I could quite easily put 5 stone on in 5 months, so a slight slip would cancel out all the effort, I suppose this is always in the back of my mind.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 10 February, 2011, 02:59:07 pm
Humph I seem to be stuck at just over 83Kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LindaG on 10 February, 2011, 08:31:27 pm
Being off work, sore, unable to go out on my bike, is not helping.  Drinking too much doesn't help.

Well, not with the weight loss anyway.   ::-)

This has to get better.  Right?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 10 February, 2011, 08:48:08 pm
I have decided not to fret at all about being stuck between 91 & 94kg.I've been there for about a year now after being a steady 86kg for a long time.
I know that with some effort;more than I currently feel able to give;I could lose some by omitting cake,bread,crisps & Grolsch:but I've given up fags which is enough giving up.I'm not giving up the food I like which is my cigarette substitute.
Besides if you don't eat you die ;D
So I'll just get a sports bra for my moobs,come to terms with my 6 months pregnant waistline & avoid side-profiles when looking in the mirror.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 11 February, 2011, 01:58:59 pm
Being off work, sore, unable to go out on my bike, is not helping.

If you can't get out on your bike and are still off work, can you manage a three or four mile walk each day? Take an hour off and just try to walk somewhere.

The best training regime I ever had was when I spent nine months taking my father in law out in his wheel chair five times a week. It was his sole pleasure to get out, and I seemed to be one of the few people who could handle the hills and the cobbles. We had a two mile route and a four mile route. I didn't realise at the time how much good this did me (I discovered when I put a stone on in the month after he died).

These days, if I can't get out on my bike, I deliberately take a brisk walk somewhere. It makes me feel a lot better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LindaG on 11 February, 2011, 10:36:07 pm
I went for a five mile walk today, funnily enough, and it was really nice.

Slept for three hours afterwards  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 13 February, 2011, 07:07:03 pm
recent off, and subsequent gammy leg, has resulted in a big drop in energy expenditure but no reduction in appetite and thirst. I am not expecting good news on wednesday, and think continued mankiness of leg means that trying to undo the overconsumption through riding would be a bit silly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 16 February, 2011, 11:32:51 am
Got rid of the mystery extra kg, so back where I started at new year. Now to clear 4kg before my first 200km of the year on 20/3. Going to stop buying beer, cut out the extra rounds of toast and sarnies. My commute makes it quite easy to run a 1000cal deficit whilst still feeling full, so it's just going to be a case of dialing back the piggishness a bit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 16 February, 2011, 04:16:33 pm
Currently exactly 83kg.  Started the year at 84.7kg
At the current rate of weight loss I will hit my target of 78kg on June the 19th
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Simonb on 16 February, 2011, 11:04:48 pm
No change here. Over-indulged on beer and pies at the w/e.

Not riding enough. Mad Jack Fuller this Saturday and the Kennet Valley run next week should get things moving again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 16 February, 2011, 11:31:20 pm
I've rediscovered my HRM. Gonna try and put in some serious fat burner rides, not going above 125bpm unless absolutely necessary.

"Tell me, Monsieur Manotea, how often is it absolutely necessary to go above 125bpm?"
"Practically all the time"
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 February, 2011, 11:33:58 pm
I've rediscovered my HRM. Gonna try and put in some serious fat burner rides, not going above 125bpm unless absolutely necessary.

"Tell me, Monsieur Manotea, how often is it absolutely necessary to go above 125bpm?"
"Practically all the time"

125bpm???  :o

I can only ever manage that low when I'm freewheeling. And like you, I ride bikes that make that quite hard to do. You're either going to be incredibly slow, or you sir have had a heart transplant, and they used an elephant heart.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 16 February, 2011, 11:41:51 pm
I've rediscovered my HRM. Gonna try and put in some serious fat burner rides, not going above 125bpm unless absolutely necessary.

"Tell me, Monsieur Manotea, how often is it absolutely necessary to go above 125bpm?"
"Practically all the time"

125bpm???  :o

I can only ever manage that low when I'm freewheeling. And like you, I ride bikes that make that quite hard to do. You're either going to be incredibly slow, or you sir have had a heart transplant, and they used an elephant heart.

Well, maybe 130... Thing is, for the next month I'm going to try and stop riding round in 'the dead zone' all the time and differentiate between riding 'slow and long' and 'fast and short'. God, it sounds like 'training'...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 17 February, 2011, 12:11:58 am
I can easily trundle along at < 125.  in fact I often find myself slacking down to that level and have to forcibly work a bit harder.  But I don't often get above 170 these days.   Even a steep hill will usually see me at only 160 or so.

This may be because I ride a gear much smaller than Mr O'Tea's.  On Monday I was out on one 25" or so smaller, in fact.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 17 February, 2011, 12:25:13 am
My impression is that running a longer gear I hit my physical (strength) limitations at a lower heart rate than I would a shorter gear. I was out this afternoon for ~40km and found I could stay under 130 quite happily on the flat and low rolling hills for about 25kmph. On higher rolling terrain - I hesitate to say 'hills' - my HR strayed up to the 140s. What was noticeable that I was riding in a more relaxed and consistent style. I'll be riding a 200km this weekend in company with a variety of terrain - flat, long rolling and a couple of bumps - so it will be interesting to see how well I keep up and how I feel after.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 February, 2011, 12:32:04 am
<131 would be easy training for me; long steady is 131-143bpm.

For maximum total fat burn you work at 50% vo2max which is 132bpm for me (69% MHR)

- %MHR = 0.64x%vo2max + 37, sez web.

So maybe Manotea's target is right if his MHR is lower than mine, which is 192 (measured during vo2max test).

This corresponds to 150W power. Which is what I tend to average on long events.  I'll ride harder on shorter rides and burn more calories per hour.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 17 February, 2011, 12:34:15 am
My max is around 180bpm, Lactic Threshold around 135bpm

Almost time for my V02 Max test assuming they still want me. (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39236.msg745880#msg745880) The ride down to Reading is a good fat burner opportunity, about two hours each way across flat / low rolling terrain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 February, 2011, 12:49:48 am
My max is around 180bpm.

Almost time for my V02 Max test (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39236.msg745880#msg745880)

Have fun!  Hardest I've ever worked, it was. I got 4.05l/min. This gives a score of 56 at my current weight or 59.5 at 68kg like last summer. I suspect my absolute capacity was higher then so I may have nudged over 60. I really should do another test, and then an in-season one.

Do you also get other metrics like LT?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 17 February, 2011, 01:08:58 am
My max is around 180bpm.

Almost time for my V02 Max test (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39236.msg745880#msg745880)

Have fun!  Hardest I've ever worked, it was. I got 4.05l/min. This gives a score of 56 at my current weight or 59.5 at 68kg like last summer. I suspect my absolute capacity was higher then so I may have nudged over 60. I really should do another test, and then an in-season one.

Do you also get other metrics like LT?
Perhaps if I ask nicely. MattH may know. Sadly I was bumped off the programme for doping (antibiotics) in November before I did the lab test. I did a V02 Max test a few years back but my results were pathetic. I cling to the belief this was due to lack of practice riding turbo and being a bit lardy at the time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 17 February, 2011, 10:51:19 am
Right, should be at the end of the blip now that my rib is back to normal (and I can push harder at 5-a-side) and I've cut down on the unnecessary booze at home.

Am currently hungry, and have been for 30 minutes. Lunch in just over an hour. I'm learning to love the feeling of hunger again.

Just have to remember to order with my head not my stomach when I go to the canteen...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 February, 2011, 10:54:42 am
My max is around 180bpm.

Almost time for my V02 Max test (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39236.msg745880#msg745880)

Have fun!  Hardest I've ever worked, it was. I got 4.05l/min. This gives a score of 56 at my current weight or 59.5 at 68kg like last summer. I suspect my absolute capacity was higher then so I may have nudged over 60. I really should do another test, and then an in-season one.

Do you also get other metrics like LT?
Perhaps if I ask nicely. MattH may know. Sadly I was bumped off the programme for doping (antibiotics) in November before I did the lab test. I did a V02 Max test a few years back but my results were pathetic. I cling to the belief this was due to lack of practice riding turbo and being a bit lardy at the time.

LT is perhaps more important to know for training purposes; VO2max is less useful but it's still interesting to know.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 19 February, 2011, 08:36:01 pm
OMG, this morning I reached 58.6kg, I had set my target to hit 58kg by June. Nearly 5kg lost in 7 weeks! However the problem is that to achieve that I have done absolutely nothing with my diet, just rode my bike. Have been putting away 2-3 bottles of wine a week, and eating plently of Cadbury's Creme eggs too. I've dropped back to a UK size 8 again. Now, I am impaled on the horns of a new dilemma, should I order my new Assos shorts in a size down? (I really need a 2nd pair, but the medium are now in danger of becoming too big for me).

The other thing is, if I am losing at this rate will it slow down? I don't care about becoming skinny, no one in my life gives a shit what I look like (it's the advantage of being single) but I don't want to lose muscle. I have never lost weight before without changing what I eat so I am in new territory here. I suppose the 880 miles I have ridden in 6 weeks is what's dong it  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 February, 2011, 11:35:36 pm
Well, it seems that you need to start eating more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 19 February, 2011, 11:44:48 pm
Welcome to the legendary Halls of Fathalla, where the once lardy stop worrying about losing weight and start worrying about ensuring they get enough to eat!

Unlike Hotel California, few check in and sadly, many don't stay long.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 February, 2011, 11:52:46 pm
OMG, this morning I reached 58.6kg, I had set my target to hit 58kg by June. Nearly 5kg lost in 7 weeks! However the problem is that to achieve that I have done absolutely nothing with my diet, just rode my bike. Have been putting away 2-3 bottles of wine a week, and eating plently of Cadbury's Creme eggs too. I've dropped back to a UK size 8 again. Now, I am impaled on the horns of a new dilemma, should I order my new Assos shorts in a size down? (I really need a 2nd pair, but the medium are now in danger of becoming too big for me).

The other thing is, if I am losing at this rate will it slow down? I don't care about becoming skinny, no one in my life gives a shit what I look like (it's the advantage of being single) but I don't want to lose muscle. I have never lost weight before without changing what I eat so I am in new territory here. I suppose the 880 miles I have ridden in 6 weeks is what's dong it  :D


I think it's just bloody unfair TBH. I've done more miles than that (ish) and have been doing some poxy diet plan and suffering starvation (well, OK, restricted greed, and cake-deprivation) and nearly never drink, and have lost nearly nothing.
Stop telling us about it, okay?

:jealous:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 February, 2011, 12:01:45 am
I've been riding lots, and eating lots.

My weight is this: constant.

71.9kg.

That's the same as the last time I checked.  And the time before that.

Ok maybe +/- 100g :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 February, 2011, 12:05:04 am
Welcome to the legendary Halls of Fathalla, where the once lardy move from worrying about losing weight and start worrying about ensuring they get enough to eat!

Unlike Hotel Caifornia, few check in and sadly, many don't stay long

I really had to eat like a pig when I was doing 400 miles a week, last summer.  That's at least 12,000 calories a week - my BMR should be around 1700, so I was basically doubling that, plus any other activity would add even more.  I probably required around 4,000 calories per day.  Three curries (curry, rice, naan) a day would have just about covered it.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 20 February, 2011, 08:24:13 pm
73kg (11 stone 6) seems to be my base weight in my current shape (that is, with the extra muscles from weights).  I'm struggling to drop any lower and, frankly, looking a little gaunt despite the small pot I'm still carrying.  Time to even out and go back to strength training.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 February, 2011, 10:31:39 am
Kilo a week plan is working - BMI starts with a 19 again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 February, 2011, 10:34:39 am
My rather inaccurate bathroom scales told me that I had broken the 110 kg barrier this morning: 109.9. That's the first time for a very long time that I've been below 110. Inaccuracies aside, the downward trend is there. 116ish kg at the start of the year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 23 February, 2011, 10:57:02 am
OMG, this morning I reached 58.6kg, I had set my target to hit 58kg by June. Nearly 5kg lost in 7 weeks! However the problem is that to achieve that I have done absolutely nothing with my diet, just rode my bike. Have been putting away 2-3 bottles of wine a week, and eating plently of Cadbury's Creme eggs too. I've dropped back to a UK size 8 again. Now, I am impaled on the horns of a new dilemma, should I order my new Assos shorts in a size down? (I really need a 2nd pair, but the medium are now in danger of becoming too big for me).

The other thing is, if I am losing at this rate will it slow down? I don't care about becoming skinny, no one in my life gives a shit what I look like (it's the advantage of being single) but I don't want to lose muscle. I have never lost weight before without changing what I eat so I am in new territory here. I suppose the 880 miles I have ridden in 6 weeks is what's dong it  :D

When I started riding properly my weight dropped from 15 stone to 13 stone pretty much as you describe

I stopped loosing weight at 13 stone and it's very difficult to go any lower.  So 15 to 13 was easy, 13 to 12 stone 7 lb is very very difficult

My waist size was up to 36"(or even 38") but now it is typically 34" with the occassional outbreak of 32".  Some trousers are ok on the waist but my thighs don't fit in them

Get some cheap shorts (ie Lusso Coolmax) in an appropriate size for right now.  Unless you see an absolute bargain on ebay of course :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 February, 2011, 11:12:41 am
I used to often go down to 10st 3-4 or so if I was stressed or ill.

Now that would be 11st.  It's more muscle, I tell you!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 23 February, 2011, 11:14:58 am
OMG, this morning I reached 58.6kg, I had set my target to hit 58kg by June. Nearly 5kg lost in 7 weeks! However the problem is that to achieve that I have done absolutely nothing with my diet, just rode my bike. Have been putting away 2-3 bottles of wine a week, and eating plently of Cadbury's Creme eggs too. I've dropped back to a UK size 8 again. Now, I am impaled on the horns of a new dilemma, should I order my new Assos shorts in a size down? (I really need a 2nd pair, but the medium are now in danger of becoming too big for me).

The other thing is, if I am losing at this rate will it slow down? I don't care about becoming skinny, no one in my life gives a shit what I look like (it's the advantage of being single) but I don't want to lose muscle. I have never lost weight before without changing what I eat so I am in new territory here. I suppose the 880 miles I have ridden in 6 weeks is what's dong it  :D

When I started riding properly my weight dropped from 15 stone to 13 stone pretty much as you describe
I stopped loosing weight at 13 stone and it's very difficult to go any lower.  So 15 to 13 was easy, 13 to 12 stone 7 lb is very very difficult

My waist size was up to 36"(or even 38") but now it is typically 34" with the occassional outbreak of 32".  Some trousers are ok on the waist but my thighs don't fit in them

Get some cheap shorts (ie Lusso Coolmax) in an appropriate size for right now.  Unless you see an absolute bargain on ebay of course :)

The exact same thing happened to me also, when i got to 13 stone i stayed there for about a year, the lowest i got to was 12st 8lb, but just couldn't maintain it, then i quit smoking after 20 years of doing so, and managed to put 2 stone back on, now i'm back trying to follow the lose 2lb a week thing, been ok so far, but must stick to it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 02 March, 2011, 02:10:43 pm
Fell off the (1kg a week) wagon this week, and straight into a Waitrose pecan cheesecake (sabotage by a visiting relative). No weight loss, despite 285km in the last 7 days. I suspect the port infused porters over the weekend didn't help much, either.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 March, 2011, 02:13:54 pm
I am making slow progress on the graphing.  It might be ready by the end of the year at this rate.  ::-)

(It's actually not needing very much more work, it's just finding the time).

Oh, btw, Greenbank: I'm probably going to have to fiddle around to work-around your "PBP" entry in August.  :P

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 02 March, 2011, 03:32:42 pm
I am making slow progress on the graphing.  It might be ready by the end of the year at this rate.  ::-)

(It's actually not needing very much more work, it's just finding the time).

Oh, btw, Greenbank: I'm probably going to have to fiddle around to work-around your "PBP" entry in August.  :P



He's not the only one doing it
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 02 March, 2011, 06:55:43 pm
I've decided to stop worrying for the next week and a half.
Life has been a bit more than usually busy and disorganised recently.
I'm on holiday next week.
When I get back to work I may have a better idea about the way things are going to pan out.
I can then start back to concentrate on the weight.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 02 March, 2011, 07:15:49 pm
Welcome to the legendary Halls of Fathalla, where the once lardy move from worrying about losing weight and start worrying about ensuring they get enough to eat!

Unlike Hotel California, few check in and sadly, many don't stay long

I have very much enjoyed my stay in the legendary fathalla this week! I stuffed my face like a pig just to see what would happen and put on 0.5kg. I can now lose the last kg a bit more slowly. At least I know now I can eat enough to stay the same weight  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Simonb on 03 March, 2011, 07:31:14 am
Gone up a bit this week. Must've overdone it at some point. Still, the general trend is in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 09 March, 2011, 12:12:52 pm
Woo Hoo! That's over a stone gone now, since crimbo  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 09 March, 2011, 12:14:55 pm
Downward trend begins, just have to keep it up and I'll get to the K&SW at the end of May the other side of 80kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 March, 2011, 12:19:59 pm
Downward trend begins, just have to keep it up and I'll get to the K&SW at the end of May the other side of 80kg.

If I attempt this on fixed, will I die?

Will you be doing it on fixed?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 09 March, 2011, 12:25:14 pm
Will you be doing it on fixed?

No, fixed SR will be 'Uts 200, Invicta 300, Severn Across 400, PBP 1200.

If the forecast is good for the K&SW I'll take the Wilier, otherwise it'll be the Aravis Audax.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 09 March, 2011, 04:44:44 pm
180 kcal per pint of 4% lager (roughly) which is 2.2 units of booze

Last week's booze intake (according to my NHS Drinks Tracker app on iPhone): 40 units (yes, I know...)

180 * 40 / 2.2 = 3272 kcal

So roughly the same number of calories as a pound of fat (3500kcal).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 March, 2011, 05:11:25 pm
180 kcal per pint of 4% lager (roughly) which is 2.2 units of booze

Last week's booze intake (according to my NHS Drinks Tracker app on iPhone): 40 units (yes, I know...)

180 * 40 / 2.2 = 3272 kcal

So roughly the same number of calories as a pound of fat (3500kcal).

I'm surprised you could even see the iPhone to enter it.  :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 March, 2011, 05:12:09 pm
Will you be doing it on fixed?

No, fixed SR will be 'Uts 200, Invicta 300, Severn Across 400, PBP 1200.

If the forecast is good for the K&SW I'll take the Wilier, otherwise it'll be the Aravis Audax.

On reading that, I did think "Oh, yes, nice idea, and I could take my Madone"

Then I remembered that my Madone is a nice bike, and thought better of it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 09 March, 2011, 05:13:03 pm
180 kcal per pint of 4% lager (roughly) which is 2.2 units of booze

Last week's booze intake (according to my NHS Drinks Tracker app on iPhone): 40 units (yes, I know...)

180 * 40 / 2.2 = 3272 kcal

So roughly the same number of calories as a pound of fat (3500kcal).

I'm surprised you could even see the iPhone to enter it.  :demon:


Assuming the 40 units wasn't in one go ( :o) then it's not that much - for an active chap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 10 March, 2011, 09:46:56 am
No, it's a pernicious 2-3 beers/cans a night thing.

I've slipped back into the 'have a beer to wind down after work' mode, need to replace it with water/juice.

Of course, I'm still losing weight despite this 500kcal a day from booze, cutting down on the booze and I'd need to replace those calories by food and the tricky thing is to not over compensate and eating too much extra.

Cutting out the booze completely would leave me very hungry (I'm hungry quite a bit of the time running a ~300kcal a day deficit as it is) and *shudder* permanently sober.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 March, 2011, 10:52:26 am
Beware the calories and 'natural' sugar in pure fruit juice.
Think '10% sugar' every time you drink some and you won't be far wrong.

A 'Nutella glass' (200ml) of juice - small by cyclists' standards - contains around 20 grams of sugar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 10 March, 2011, 02:00:42 pm
Beware the calories and 'natural' sugar in pure fruit juice.
Think '10% sugar' every time you drink some and you won't be far wrong.

A 'Nutella glass' (200ml) of juice - small by cyclists' standards - contains around 20 grams of sugar.

Aye, you're better off eating the fruit than drinking the juice, if you can.  Orange juice is one option that  paramedics use in an emergency to get high doses of sugar into diabetics in hypoglycemic shock.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 March, 2011, 02:40:00 pm
Thinks like smoothies are a better choice than fruit juice.  They contain far more of the fruit pulp.  Fruit is still better, though, but the smoothies are convenient, and can count as about 1-2 of your 5-a-day (but no more).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 March, 2011, 11:47:18 pm
If I were trying to lose weight, I would be very wary of smoothies. A little fruit pulp/fibre would not compensate for the calorie-laden things that find their way into some smoothies. Read labels obsessively and consider a smoothie a dessert, not a drink.

[Edit] A 250ml bottle of 'Innocent' Strawberry & Banana smoothie contains 36 grams of carbohydrate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 March, 2011, 12:20:44 am
If I were trying to lose weight, I would be very wary of smoothies. A little fruit pulp/fibre would not compensate for the calorie-laden things that find their way into some smoothies. Read labels obsessively and consider a smoothie a dessert, not a drink.

[Edit] A 250ml bottle of 'Innocent' Strawberry & Banana smoothie contains 36 grams of carbohydrate.

They claim it counts as 2 of your 5 a day.  A medium banana contains 27g carbs of which 14g are sugars.  An apple contains 22g carbs of which 16g are sugars.  Total sugar 30g between the two.  Innocent smoothie: 26.5g sugars.

So it probably isn't really that bad from a sugar POV.  However, there is still as not much fibre as you get in the apple + banana.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 March, 2011, 12:50:47 am
If I were trying to lose weight, I would be very wary of smoothies. A little fruit pulp/fibre would not compensate for the calorie-laden things that find their way into some smoothies. Read labels obsessively and consider a smoothie a dessert, not a drink.

[Edit] A 250ml bottle of 'Innocent' Strawberry & Banana smoothie contains 36 grams of carbohydrate.

They claim it counts as 2 of your 5 a day.  A medium banana contains 27g carbs of which 14g are sugars.  An apple contains 22g carbs of which 16g are sugars.  Total sugar 30g between the two.  Innocent smoothie: 26.5g sugars.

So it probably isn't really that bad from a sugar POV.  However, there is still as not much fibre as you get in the apple + banana.

Yebbut you can down 250 ml smoothie in 20 seconds. It would take a few minutes and a fair bit of chewing to eat the fresh fruit. You would feel you had eaten something.
Gulp down a smoothie quickly and the fact you've had this lot may hardly register.

Smoothies might be good Audax fuel. I don't think they are bad per se. It's just that they make it rather easy to ingest sugar very rapidly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 11 March, 2011, 10:06:18 am

They claim it counts as 2 of your 5 a day.


I don't think it should count as more than 1.  I fear these claims lead some people to chugging smoothies and kidding themselves it's healthy. 

Of course, the 5 from the DoH's 5-a-day campaign is an entirely arbitrary number, chosen not because it represents a useful threshold in terms of health protection but because it seemed achievable compared to the appallingly low amount of fresh frut and vegetables eaten by the British public.  Most continental Europeans eat significantly more than that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 11 March, 2011, 10:12:35 am

They claim it counts as 2 of your 5 a day.


I don't think it should count as more than 1.  I fear these claims lead some people to chugging smoothies and kidding themselves it's healthy.  

Of course, the 5 from the DoH's 5-a-day campaign is an entirely arbitrary number, chosen not because it represents a useful threshold in terms of health protection but because it seemed achievable compared to the appallingly low amount of fresh frut and vegetables eaten by the British public.  Most continental Europeans eat significantly more than that.


I'm sure I read somewhere (disclaimer) the original 5-a-day (fruit & veg prevents cancer) campaign was dreamt up by the Produce Marketing Board of California and health organisations the world over simply ran with it, i.e., whilst it sounds worthy it is in fact 'tosh'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 March, 2011, 10:28:09 am
Three is sufficient for heart disease protection.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 11 March, 2011, 10:33:46 am
Three is sufficient for heart disease protection.

Aye, it is good for the heart.  It has no significant effect on cancer rates, which was the original claim.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 March, 2011, 11:50:09 am
5 A DAY: what counts? - Live Well - NHS Choices (http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/Whatcounts.aspx)

The "five a day" campaign was covered in depth on the Radio 4 Food Programme a while back. As Bruce says, the figure is a compromise and the campaign overall is a poor substitute for proper understanding of nutrition. But better than not promoting the importance of fruit and veg at all.

IRRC it's Spain where the figure they promote is 11 a day.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 March, 2011, 12:16:40 pm
So far this year, I've put on 2.5kg. Not good. No wonder my bike ride last Sunday felt like such hard work.  :(

Right, that's it. Winter laziness ends now.

On a more positive note, it was about this time last year that I stepped the exercise level up after the winter break, and I'm a good 8kg lighter than I was at that point, so it's not all bad.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 March, 2011, 12:36:47 pm
You're doing it all wrong.

4kg lost in 2 days. Stomach bug FTW.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 March, 2011, 01:21:13 pm
 :sick: :sick:

GWS!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 March, 2011, 01:24:21 pm
:sick: :sick:

GWS!

I'm ok now. Ate a small amount of food last night and breakfast this morning ok. Just a bit tired now. I blame the fish pie on the train.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 12 March, 2011, 10:20:32 pm
You're doing it all wrong.

4kg lost in 2 days. Stomach bug FTW.

I wondered what had happened that you DNSed the 'Uts ride today. Other notable absentees were Jo and Fidgetbuzz.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 March, 2011, 05:18:50 pm
You're doing it all wrong.

4kg lost in 2 days. Stomach bug FTW.

I wondered what had happened that you DNSed the 'Uts ride today. Other notable absentees were Jo and Fidgetbuzz.

The stomach bug was a secondary (or even tertiary) effect of the reason I DNS'd but was the reason I never got round to emailing the org to let him know.

The scales showed 67.7 kg yesterday morning. I was 71.5kg on Wednesday. 68.6 this morning as I have rehydrated a bit and am eating normally again. Will probably stabilise at around 70kg. My target is 68kg by PBP so I'm quite close already.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 March, 2011, 11:14:04 am
Oops. One of the rare weeks this year when I gained some weight. It was a party weekend though - with a lot of cake and booze. Meh.

Also, the 100x push-up and 200x sit-up challenges are really getting into their stride (week 4) and there is no doubt I've got more core muscle, so that might also offset against some fat loss.

And my legs are full of metabolic crap from a 200 two days ago.

Excuses... excuses...  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 16 March, 2011, 11:18:34 am
In spite of not riding as much as I had planned these last few months, I'm now two-thirds of the way to my target.  The "expend more calories than you consume" gambit is working.  I'm hoping to shift the remaining 3kg by Easter.
 
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 March, 2011, 11:39:42 am
I'm back up to 70.3kg from the low of 67.7kg on Friday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 March, 2011, 11:45:00 am
Back under 80kg this week. 79.9kg, to be precise. I suspect last week's high reading might have been partly due to a bit of a backlog, for want of a better term.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 March, 2011, 01:19:17 pm
a bit of a backlog, for want of a better term.

d.


 :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 March, 2011, 01:22:24 pm
a bit of a backlog, for want of a better term.

d.


 :hand:

boab, is that how one holds back the flow?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 16 March, 2011, 01:27:16 pm
a bit of a backlog, for want of a better term.

Did you eventually let it go through to the keeper?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 March, 2011, 10:28:21 pm
69.1kg right now.  Ah, dehydration.  Or lack of backlog.  Or both.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 21 March, 2011, 11:15:05 pm
I am pretty pleased that I hit my target 58kg this morning. I am trying to decide if it's a good idea to get down to 56kg as a new target, or keep that extra 2kg if possible to 'use up' on PBP. If In start it at 56 then there really wouldn't me much non-muscle flesh on me to draw on with a calorie deficit. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 March, 2011, 12:03:01 am
I am pretty pleased that I hit my target 58kg this morning. I am trying to decide if it's a good idea to get down to 56kg as a new target, or keep that extra 2kg if possible to 'use up' on PBP. If In start it at 56 then there really wouldn't me much non-muscle flesh on me to draw on with a calorie deficit. Hmmm.

There's a long time twixt now & PBP. You might have better all-round resistance to bugs if you have a little reserve.

I'd stay at 58kg. (That's not true - I've not been 58kg since the sixth form!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 March, 2011, 12:35:38 am
I am pretty pleased that I hit my target 58kg this morning. I am trying to decide if it's a good idea to get down to 56kg as a new target, or keep that extra 2kg if possible to 'use up' on PBP. If In start it at 56 then there really wouldn't me much non-muscle flesh on me to draw on with a calorie deficit. Hmmm.

IME, in doing the training for Mille Cymru last year, losing weight was not a problem.  In fact I had to eat shitloads during the week to make up for the weekend's riding.

There are potential issues with very low body fat - have you checked what your body fat % is?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 22 March, 2011, 12:59:51 am
I am pretty pleased that I hit my target 58kg this morning. I am trying to decide if it's a good idea to get down to 56kg as a new target, or keep that extra 2kg if possible to 'use up' on PBP. If In start it at 56 then there really wouldn't me much non-muscle flesh on me to draw on with a calorie deficit. Hmmm.

IME, in doing the training for Mille Cymru last year, losing weight was not a problem.  In fact I had to eat shitloads during the week to make up for the weekend's riding.

There are potential issues with very low body fat - have you checked what your body fat % is?


When I stick my measurements into a calculation site I get this:
Body Mass Index:     19.5  kg/m2
Waist-to-Height ratio:     0.43
Percent Body Fat:     17.0%
Lean Body Mass:     106.1 lb

Your weight is in the normal range.
You do not need to lose weight.
Minimum caloric requirements: 1922 Calories per day
Your diet should contain at least 103 grams of protein per day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 March, 2011, 01:22:35 am
That's pin thin! I'd advise against further weight loss.
You also should consider how you are going to maintain a healthy bone mass.
Any slimmer and your long-term bone health could suffer.

I had infrequent menses during my first year of Audax but was never thin.
The prospect of osteoporosis still worried me.

I've since had a DEXA scan which was fine (cos I had a lot of steroid for my MS.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 22 March, 2011, 02:00:24 am
That's pin thin! I'd advise against further weight loss.

I don't think I really look all that thin. I have just redistributed muffin top into muscle! I am not sure what would constitute a really low body fat %....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 March, 2011, 09:56:32 am
That's pin thin! I'd advise against further weight loss.

I don't think I really look all that thin. I have just redistributed muffin top into muscle! I am not sure what would constitute a really low body fat %....

The web says female athlete cyclists have 15-20% body fat. You're already there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 22 March, 2011, 12:02:27 pm
When I stick my measurements into a calculation site I get this:

What type of measurements? If that's just height/weight/waist then it will just be a guess at your body fat percentage. Basing your perception of healthiness on a guess isn't a good idea, everyone is unique.

Unless you're using fat calipers or some other way of measuring fat (accurately) then I'd be wary of anything telling you your body fat percentage.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 22 March, 2011, 06:02:15 pm
When I stick my measurements into a calculation site I get this:

What type of measurements? If that's just height/weight/waist then it will just be a guess at your body fat percentage. Basing your perception of healthiness on a guess isn't a good idea, everyone is unique.

Unless you're using fat calipers or some other way of measuring fat (accurately) then I'd be wary of anything telling you your body fat percentage.

The site asked for measurements of neck, waist, forearm length as well as the height, sex, weight and level of fitness. It does seem to correlate with what my Weight watchers scales say about my BMI and fatness though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 23 March, 2011, 08:24:42 am
Woo Hoo - I iz no longer "overweight", BMI is now 24.7.

The Tanita and calipers have me at around 18-20% lard, so still a weigh (FFS... ed) to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 23 March, 2011, 08:45:16 am
That's pin thin! I'd advise against further weight loss.

I don't think I really look all that thin. I have just redistributed muffin top into muscle! I am not sure what would constitute a really low body fat %....

The web says female athlete cyclists have 15-20% body fat. You're already there.

The only people who go lower than that are bodybuilders, distorting their bodies for display.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 23 March, 2011, 09:11:49 am
I have found an effective way of losing weight is to get diarrhoea and vomitry and not really eat for three days. :-\

Hit my first target, but it's kind of a mixed blessing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 23 March, 2011, 11:56:00 am
GWS, clarion.


Last night's pint and yesterday's doughnuts haven't helped any.  At least I'm the same weight as last week, was worried I have gained weight.

Still another 3kg to shift...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 23 March, 2011, 12:07:22 pm
after cycling 300 miles last weekend i'm lighter by 0.7kg, doing 200 miles this saturday will help me to get rid off another 0.5kg. i'll only need 2kg to lose to reach my target.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 March, 2011, 03:17:03 pm
Did a sub 9h audax on Saturday, and have done over 500km since last week. Up 1/2 a kg.

Suspect the tray of egyptian baklava yesterday didn't help much. It was very nice flown in  by a student and was very yummy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 23 March, 2011, 03:27:20 pm
Increased exercise but increased footd consumption to compensate.

Slowly cutting back on food, should also be back to 5 days a week cycle commuting as of next week, that'll help a lot.

At a rate of ~1 lb/week I should only start to worry near the end of May if I want to hit my PBP target. This coincides with the insanity of 600km in Devon and Cornwall, so I hope to be a bit lighter by then anyway. (And April will have ~1000km of cycling...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 23 March, 2011, 03:33:47 pm
Increased exercise but increased foot consumption to compensate.

Yeewww...  :sick:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 23 March, 2011, 03:36:41 pm
Nom nom nom!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 March, 2011, 06:15:21 pm
I weighed 69kg on Sunday evening. Wonder what I weigh now?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 23 March, 2011, 07:09:52 pm
MrsC commented on my weight gain the other evening.  :-[

I have made some slight changes to the regime but I don't think they'll be enough.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 24 March, 2011, 12:44:56 pm
Increased exercise but increased footd consumption to compensate.

Slowly cutting back on food, should also be back to 5 days a week cycle commuting as of next week, that'll help a lot.

At a rate of ~1 lb/week I should only start to worry near the end of May if I want to hit my PBP target. This coincides with the insanity of 600km in Devon and Cornwall, so I hope to be a bit lighter by then anyway. (And April will have ~1000km of cycling...)

Too much snacking before lunch, I guess my metabolism isn't good enough to get me through to lunch so I'll have to go back to having breakfast (and getting through more than a 24 pack of Weetabix a week now that I have to share them with my daughter).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: BrianI on 28 March, 2011, 07:34:50 am
188cm, 80.5kg and 18% body fat according to my salter body analyser scales.....  Think I need to cut down on the cakes.....   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 28 March, 2011, 07:41:13 am
I'm down over two stone (30½ lbs to be exact) since mid-January.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: to WeightWatchers!  The new ProPoints system is fab.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 28 March, 2011, 07:53:57 am
That's amazing Reg!!  What a huge well done to you!!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 28 March, 2011, 08:03:23 am
Oustanding Reg! Good work.

Riding a bike in Wales seems to have agreed with me - I'm down a kilo since last week; despite eating like a pig yesterday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 28 March, 2011, 09:30:49 am
188cm, 80.5kg and 18% body fat according to my salter body analyser scales.....  Think I need to cut down on the cakes.....   :facepalm:

You should worry, I'm shorter, heavier and (according to my Tanita scales), fatter.

Ms Manotea the Elder was on a home visit this weekend and made a very fine chocolate cake.  I would have been both a delinquent parent and an idiot not to have had a slice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on 28 March, 2011, 09:38:00 am
Jaffa cakes make you fat!

I start the imposition of my weight reduction programme next week.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 March, 2011, 09:39:02 am
Reg, that's very impressive :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 28 March, 2011, 11:05:26 pm
almost a kilo lighter after the dean on saturday. that's a bit more loss than i've predicted.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2011, 11:17:22 pm
188cm, 80.5kg and 18% body fat according to my salter body analyser scales.....  Think I need to cut down on the cakes.....   :facepalm:

What the hell is wrong with that?  You have "ideal" BMI, and healthy body fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 30 March, 2011, 10:23:56 am
Back down to 70kg, despite eating like a beast this weekend, and there being a pile of Reese Buttercup minis in the corner of the office that I have indulged in.  ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 March, 2011, 10:51:48 pm
Don't know what I weigh.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 01 April, 2011, 04:14:43 pm
No, it's a pernicious 2-3 beers/cans a night thing.

I've slipped back into the 'have a beer to wind down after work' mode, need to replace it with water/juice.

4 units in the last 4 days. Much better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 April, 2011, 06:54:54 pm
Being a bit stressed out is making me indulge in compulsive eating.

I'm not measuring weight loss (or lack of it) for a few weeks, it'll just add to my misery.
Worst things happen than being a lardarse.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 01 April, 2011, 06:56:56 pm
No, it's a pernicious 2-3 beers/cans a night thing.

I've slipped back into the 'have a beer to wind down after work' mode, need to replace it with water/juice.

4 units in the last 4 days. Much better.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Awesome!!

Do you ever find that alcohol compromises your body's recovery?  I've found I don't react well to having alcohol when I've done a lot of exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 01 April, 2011, 08:28:12 pm
I knew, I had put on a bit of weight so joined Slimming world.But was I shocked to see the scales go up to 104 kg.In my defense I did fracture my pelvis in January.I am now back on the bike and off the alcohol.No booze for two months now :thumbsup:I am having to build up the cycling from scratch.Presently up to riding 50 km.Will try a bit longer tomorrow.My target is to get down to 85kg.I am 6ft tall.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 01 April, 2011, 10:21:12 pm
Just spent a week preparing a programme of research for a senior post in my dept I didn´t get. It was to be looking at automatic processes relating to eating, specifically around the development of primes to reduce consumption of high calorie foods. This is probably the most applied of the papers I drew on

http://foodpsychology.cornell.edu/pdf/permission/2004/EnvironCues-ARN_2004.pdf

Wansink (http://www.brianwansink.com/) is great. See table 1 for practical advice.

If you are interested where the research is heading, the Rothman et al review tells a good story.

http://college.usc.edu/wendywood/research/documents/rothman.sheeran.wood.pdf

Gutted I didn´t get the job, but seems a waste not to share some of what I got out of applying. Been told it would really not be in my interest to submit the proposal myself :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 06 April, 2011, 12:51:56 pm
Oh dear the Elenith next week and I am 2kg over what I was expecting for this time of year :)
Big effort this month to get back on track I guess
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 06 April, 2011, 02:13:57 pm
Looks like the warm weather is almost returned and with it my salad days. Dropping cold weather comfort food during the week and riding at the weekend should see off a couple of kg by Brian Chapman time, methinks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 06 April, 2011, 02:30:01 pm
Didn't get a job I wanted badly. Decided to indulge in good beer and lots of comfort eating,  plus traveling for work meant 3 days off the bike. Result - up 1kg on last week!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 07 April, 2011, 11:13:37 am
This morning the scale reads 69kg (so down 2kg from yesterday). Weight gives really crap feedback on behaviour.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 07 April, 2011, 03:45:26 pm
Lost 4 kg in my first week on my diet!Getting back into my cycling has helped,plus I was ill on Sunday and ate very little.A great start ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 13 April, 2011, 10:44:04 am
I had to make a new hole in my belt yesterday :D

am 100 grammes away from being 100 kilos for the first time in about 10 years.  'Chuffed' doesnt even come close.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 13 April, 2011, 10:58:24 am
Skinny bugger!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 13 April, 2011, 11:06:29 am
Down 1.5kg from last week, but that's only because I was inexplicably heavy on weigh-in day, evidenced by the fact I was a kilo lighter the following day. Either way, only half a kg off target (BMI now 19.2).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 13 April, 2011, 11:25:33 am
Another 6lbs off last week (almost three stone off since January).

Losing weight is proving expensive, as I'm having to get a new wardrobe...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 April, 2011, 11:26:46 am
Good going, Reg :thumbsup:

I'm still static. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 14 April, 2011, 09:11:20 am
It's a few weeks since I last stepped on the scales but this morning I'm 3kg less than last time.It can only be a combo of 200km in Scotland & a diet of bridies & Black Gold :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 April, 2011, 10:22:53 am
I thought I'd posted this but

There is now a graph for 2011.

Click the image to see in full size (1024x768). Any issues, let me know. I'll need to work out a better way of hosting the image. Is it possible to force an image to display full size here?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 14 April, 2011, 01:02:33 pm
What food and drink do you people have on a cafe' stop?I am sticking to a proper weight loss diet,but what to eat on the typical cafe' stop?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 14 April, 2011, 01:05:52 pm
What food and drink do you people have on a cafe' stop?I am sticking to a proper weight loss diet,but what to eat on the typical cafe' stop?

Whatever I feel like.

When I'm on a ride there are usually no food rules, other than eat enough to keep going, and have something enjoyable.  For weight loss, my rules are for all other meal times.

YMMV
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 April, 2011, 01:12:14 pm
One issue I've noticed is that the colour choices for some of the lines are poor; in particular lindagordinho seems to be rendered white-on-white; some of the others are very close to white.  This is automatic within gnuplot and a bit annoying that the png terminal's defaults do this. :(

I think there's a work-around, specifying linetype explictly and skipping values in the list which don't render well.  It's really the sort of thing that the authors of gnuplot should have sorted out a long time ago, IMO.

Other things that would be nice:

 - sorting the key alphabetically rather in order of appearance in the weight reports thread
 - adding the most recent reported weight in the key
 - adding the derived graphs MV previously implemented, plus a BMI one (need a mechanism for people to report their height to do this)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 14 April, 2011, 02:12:12 pm
One issue I've noticed is that the colour choices for some of the lines are poor; in particular lindagordinho seems to be rendered white-on-white; some of the others are very close to white.  This is automatic within gnuplot and a bit annoying that the png terminal's defaults do this. :(

I think there's a work-around, specifying linetype explictly and skipping values in the list which don't render well.  It's really the sort of thing that the authors of gnuplot should have sorted out a long time ago, IMO

You'll have to specify the colours and point styles yourself:-

From:  Gnuplot (http://sparky.rice.edu/gnuplot.html)

# POINT SIZE AND TYPE
# pointsize is to expand points
  set pointsize 2.5
# type 'test' to see the colors and point types available
# lt is for color of the points: -1=black 1=red 2=grn 3=blue 4=purple 5=aqua 6=brn 7=orange 8=light-brn
# pt gives a particular point type: 1=diamond 2=+ 3=square 4=X 5=triangle 6=*
# postscipt: 1=+, 2=X, 3=*, 4=square, 5=filled square, 6=circle,
#            7=filled circle, 8=triangle, 9=filled triangle, etc.


# LINE COLORS, STYLES
# type 'test' to see the colors and point types available.
# Differs from x11 to postscript
# lt chooses a particular line type: -1=black 1=red 2=grn 3=blue 4=purple 5=aqua 6=brn 7=orange 8=light-brn
# lt must be specified before pt for colored points
# for postscipt -1=normal, 1=grey, 2=dashed, 3=hashed, 4=dot, 5=dot-dash
# lw chooses a line width 1=normal, can use 0.8, 0.3, 1.5, 3, etc.
# ls chooses a line style
  plot sin(x)k with linespoints lt 2 pt 4
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 April, 2011, 02:27:31 pm
Ta. I already tried a test png on gnuplot 4.2 on redhat and the defaults were fine. But it seems to be cocked up on my graph generated with gnuplot 4.4 on mac os x. It may be using a platform specific setting which is causing trouble.

For 32 yacfers there should be plenty high contrast colours and point style combinations. This does not seem hard, but having the defaults just work seems to be.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 14 April, 2011, 04:30:36 pm
What food and drink do you people have on a cafe' stop?I am sticking to a proper weight loss diet,but what to eat on the typical cafe' stop?

It depends on several factors & thus varies between next to nothing such as a coffee & cake to being hungry enought to scoff a whale between two bakeries.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 14 April, 2011, 05:32:53 pm
What food and drink do you people have on a cafe' stop?I am sticking to a proper weight loss diet,but what to eat on the typical cafe' stop?

Whatever I feel like.

When I'm on a ride there are usually no food rules, other than eat enough to keep going, and have something enjoyable.  For weight loss, my rules are for all other meal times.

YMMV
 
I like this reply,yet another reason to ride the bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 April, 2011, 04:22:30 pm
Hmm.

Elenith. Before-weight. 70.5kg. Scales estimated about 16.5% body fat; both values mildly above target.

Day-after-weight. 71.3kg. Scales estimated 7.5% body fat. Fluid retention in legs confusing them?

A few days later. 69.9kg; 15.6% body fat. Better. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 15 April, 2011, 04:57:04 pm
What food and drink do you people have on a cafe' stop?I am sticking to a proper weight loss diet,but what to eat on the typical cafe' stop?
When I'm riding I eat whatever I feel like - any thoughts on what's good for my diet go out of the window. Do you seroiusly expect me to go on a forum ride, for example, and reject CrinklyLion's cake as not on the approved foods list? :o

Having said that, I'm not really trying to lose any more weight at the moment, but just stick at the level I'm at. I've dropped roughly 2 stone since last August, lost over 2" off my waist size and already had one "moment" at work when I stood up quickly and my trousers decided to do a "Mayor of Leicester" and drop round my ankles. Fortunately, there was no-one else in the office. As Reg said, this diet thing is proving expensive - none of my old trousers fit any longer and I've had to put 3 new holes in my belt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 16 April, 2011, 10:38:02 am
just came back from boots - measured weight, bmi and body fat. very similar as it was 12 months ago, same weight, same bmi (21), only fat down from 15.7% to 15% (my target 14%).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 16 April, 2011, 08:45:23 pm
Just had to tighten my belt a notch.  Result!!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 18 April, 2011, 07:18:26 pm
98.7 kg!!  my first 2-figure weight in 8 years!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 18 April, 2011, 07:19:36 pm
98.7 kg!!  my first 2-figure weight in 8 years!



 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 27 April, 2011, 03:45:55 pm
Back up a bit, but not surprising following Easter feasting and no bike riding the week before (on holiday) or since (lazy).  With the camping weekend coming up I'll be happy to be the same weight next Wednesday, but expect to be up a bit more.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 May, 2011, 07:03:58 pm
Graphs now have absolute and % change.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 01 May, 2011, 07:23:24 pm
The consequences of a week's gorging on French food and wine has been revealed...

...2lbs on this week.  The first weight gain since January.   :-[

Back on the straight and narrow tomorrow! 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 01 May, 2011, 07:34:17 pm
I've always wondered why some people put on weight easier/quicker than others? what's the science behind that?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 May, 2011, 07:36:13 pm
I've always wondered why some people put on weight easier/quicker than others? what's the science behind that?

They probably fidget, less, are generally physically less active, watch more TV, etc.  Maybe they eat more too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 01 May, 2011, 08:53:01 pm
I've always wondered why some people put on weight easier/quicker than others? what's the science behind that?

Another reason can be hormones, for example Thyroxine (people who suffer from hyperthyrodism, over active thyroid gland, will tend to be thin, fidgety, rarely feel the cold, etc; those with hypothyroidism, underactive thyroid gland, will tend to be fatter, tired, lethargic, feel cold).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 01 May, 2011, 08:58:03 pm
I didn't weight myself this week because I know it will be my 'fat week' of the month  ;D

I am now actively trying not to lose any more weight before the 600k.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 May, 2011, 09:45:18 pm
Back on the straight and narrow tomorrow! 

??!!??   :o ;) ;D

I never thought of you as straight or narrow...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 01 May, 2011, 09:59:56 pm
LOL!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 02 May, 2011, 07:03:16 am
Graphs now have absolute and % change.


Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 May, 2011, 09:56:29 am
Graphs now have absolute and % change.


Thanks for that.

No problem. I think I need to split the graphs up.  Splitting them into two subsets based on above/below median weight for instance.  Each week, when people update their weights, they can move between the upper and lower divisions. :)

Also, I could add BMI.  It would need to know the user’s height (in cm, I suggest, for simplicity).  This would be done by simply putting ‘height=NNcm’ in the body of the post (outside the table).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 02 May, 2011, 10:00:23 pm
Back on the straight and narrow tomorrow! 

??!!??   :o ;) ;D

I never thought of you as straight or narrow...

 ;D You just made me spit at my computer!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 04 May, 2011, 09:30:35 am
Oh dear...

Easter feasting + camping weekend = a lot more Andrij than there was 3 weeks ago.   :'(

So, time to start behaving again.  And riding my bike more often wouldn't hurt.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 May, 2011, 09:56:17 am
I'm 71kg. D'oh! Reckon all this fixed riding is building muscle. That must be it. Right?
 ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Tewdric on 04 May, 2011, 10:17:18 am
I've lost quite a bit since christmas with the amount of riding I'm doing - down to 15 stone from 16.  My BMI category is now merely overweight as opposed to obese!   :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 May, 2011, 10:48:08 am
I've lost quite a bit since christmas with the amount of riding I'm doing - down to 15 stone from 16.  My BMI category is now merely overweight as opposed to obese!   :P

Good work!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 04 May, 2011, 10:58:38 am
I'm 71kg. D'oh! Reckon all this fixed riding is building muscle. That must be it. Right?
 ::-)


Metabolic rubbish left in your legs from the weekend? My weight is up too - but BF% is waaaay down which means the Tanita scales are getting confused by post-audax legs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 May, 2011, 11:08:27 am
I'm 71kg. D'oh! Reckon all this fixed riding is building muscle. That must be it. Right?
 ::-)


Metabolic rubbish left in your legs from the weekend? My weight is up too - but BF% is waaaay down which means the Tanita scales are getting confused by post-audax legs.

I usually find that effect only lasts a couple of days.  However, all it takes is being a little... backlogged.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chillmoister on 04 May, 2011, 11:15:47 am
the answer to this question is possibly burried in this thread somewhere ......I consistently find that my weight goes up by several pounds post audax and after a few day drops back to pre-ride weight or a net loss.  I know i eat alot on the rides but not that much!!  any ideas / answers?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 04 May, 2011, 11:18:02 am
do you have" predictive text" scales on your weighing machine? ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 04 May, 2011, 11:18:26 am
the answer to this question is possibly burried in this thread somewhere ......I consistently find that my weight goes up by several pounds post audax and after a few day drops back to pre-ride weight or a net loss.  I know i eat alot on the rides but not that much!!  any ideas / answers?

Lots of extra chemistry going on - related to recovery. Especially in your legs. This needs lots of water.
Possible backlog? My insides shut down on longer audaxes, and it takes a few days to, erm... get things moving again.
Post-audax Hunger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 04 May, 2011, 11:28:03 am
the answer to this question is possibly burried in this thread somewhere ......I consistently find that my weight goes up by several pounds post audax and after a few day drops back to pre-ride weight or a net loss.  I know i eat alot on the rides but not that much!!  any ideas / answers?

Well, Monday had some tough riding, so I'll try to console myself with the thought the large gain is just a 'post-ride' blip and things will look better next Wednesday.  ;D
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 04 May, 2011, 11:33:25 am
I've lost quite a bit since christmas with the amount of riding I'm doing - down to 15 stone from 16.  My BMI category is now merely overweight as opposed to obese!   :P

That is a major milestone.  If you can build on that and keep (or gain) momentum, it really feels great.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 May, 2011, 12:13:03 pm
Ridden 465km in the last 7 days, but still managed to gain a kilo. I should enter an eating contest.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 May, 2011, 12:13:57 pm
TBH, I think it's various muscles getting bigger, waist getting smaller.  I can cope with that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 May, 2011, 12:52:21 pm
My weight is steadily creeping back up - net gain of about 3kg so far this year. Been very slack on the exercise front in 2011. Apart from the occasional long swim, I've done very little indeed.

I was hoping to do PBP this year, so should have done at least a 200 & a 300 by now, but haven't done anything longer than a 50mile Sunday morning club ride. Very disappointing. I'd already done 3x 200 and 1x 300 by this time last year. Plus I was doing a 12mile ride as part of my commute most weekdays, and I haven't done that once so far this year.

New target is a double SR - hopefully having something to aim for will motivate me to get off my fat arse and ride my bike.

Need to cut down on the pies & booze too.

Ho hum.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 May, 2011, 02:06:11 pm
the answer to this question is possibly burried in this thread somewhere ......I consistently find that my weight goes up by several pounds post audax and after a few day drops back to pre-ride weight or a net loss.  I know i eat alot on the rides but not that much!!  any ideas / answers?

'Injured' muscles swell and absorb water, which they lose as they recover.
Rebuilding glycogen stores also increases overall weight, as there's about 4 grams of water on each gram of glycogen. Body glycogen stores are around 400 grams, so that's around 1.5 litres water to 'weigh you down'.

The effect is more marked if youve had a chest infection or flu on the ride (yeah we all know you shouldn't go with these; it's due to ADH secretion.)). I've had a 4 kg shift - gain then loss - in the week following a 300k.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 04 May, 2011, 04:32:20 pm
the answer to this question is possibly burried in this thread somewhere ......I consistently find that my weight goes up by several pounds post audax and after a few day drops back to pre-ride weight or a net loss.  I know i eat alot on the rides but not that much!!  any ideas / answers?

'Injured' muscles swell and absorb water, which they lose as they recover.
Rebuilding glycogen stores also increases overall weight, as there's about 4 grams of water on each gram of glycogen. Body glycogen stores are around 400 grams, so that's around 1.5 litres water to 'weigh you down'.

The effect is more marked if youve had a chest infection or flu on the ride (yeah we all know you shouldn't go with these; it's due to ADH secretion.)). I've had a 4 kg shift - gain then loss - in the week following a 300k.

Which would explain why, when I've weighed in at WeightWatchers after a long ride (e.g. the Cambridge to Coast Ride in March) I haven't lost much weight - but the following week shows a large weight loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 04 May, 2011, 08:58:57 pm
I've been getting back into this - down from 90.1 to 86.3 kg a few weeks. This is despite aiming for a target intake that should see a loss of a more sensible 0.5 kg or so a week.

A few days of diligent app-aided calorie counting at the start was educational. I've just naturally stopped wanting to eat any or as much of certain things having seen the numbers. Take-away food of almost any kind and ready-to-heat anything are out, or need to be earned with some bike miles. In the case of a Domino's pizza, a lot of miles - see their website for an eye-opener.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 May, 2011, 11:13:16 pm
I've been getting back into this - down from 90.1 to 86.3 kg a few weeks. This is despite aiming for a target intake that should see a loss of a more sensible 0.5 kg or so a week.

A few days of diligent app-aided calorie counting at the start was educational. I've just naturally stopped wanting to eat any or as much of certain things having seen the numbers. Take-away food of almost any kind and ready-to-heat anything are out, or need to be earned with some bike miles. In the case of a Domino's pizza, a lot of miles - see their website for an eye-opener.



This is the thing with calorie counting - you don’t need to do it all the time, once you recalibrate your eating habits.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 04 May, 2011, 11:37:23 pm
I've been getting back into this - down from 90.1 to 86.3 kg a few weeks. This is despite aiming for a target intake that should see a loss of a more sensible 0.5 kg or so a week.

A few days of diligent app-aided calorie counting at the start was educational. I've just naturally stopped wanting to eat any or as much of certain things having seen the numbers. Take-away food of almost any kind and ready-to-heat anything are out, or need to be earned with some bike miles. In the case of a Domino's pizza, a lot of miles - see their website for an eye-opener.



This is the thing with calorie counting - you don’t need to do it all the time, once you recalibrate your eating habits.


I think I have recalibrated my eating habits to mahoosive! I dread to think what's going to happen if I ever decrease my mileage!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 May, 2011, 11:43:03 pm
I've been getting back into this - down from 90.1 to 86.3 kg a few weeks. This is despite aiming for a target intake that should see a loss of a more sensible 0.5 kg or so a week.

A few days of diligent app-aided calorie counting at the start was educational. I've just naturally stopped wanting to eat any or as much of certain things having seen the numbers. Take-away food of almost any kind and ready-to-heat anything are out, or need to be earned with some bike miles. In the case of a Domino's pizza, a lot of miles - see their website for an eye-opener.



This is the thing with calorie counting - you don’t need to do it all the time, once you recalibrate your eating habits.


I think I have recalibrated my eating habits to mahoosive! I dread to think what's going to happen if I ever decrease my mileage!

Fatness.  I buy jeans in December then have to start wearing a belt by March-April time as I get back towards a sensible weight.

OK, so 12 stone for someone ~6 feet isn’t fat.  But it is fat compared to 10 3/4 stone.

You can do the calorie counting thing to recalibrate when your exercise habits change as well, to avoid the bloatage.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: YahudaMoon on 05 May, 2011, 08:15:40 am
Im 5ft 9inch & 62kg / 9 stone 10lb

I look seriously ill like a bad drug addict. It's not a problem though as I've always been this way, so if anyone wants to throw some weight my way ?  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 May, 2011, 11:47:02 am
Really nice narrative review of the literature on restrained eating - click here (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fzicklin.baruch.cuny.edu%2Ffaculty%2Fprofiles%2Fpapers%2Flauren%2Fbublitz-peracchio-block.pdf&rct=j&q=Why%20did%20I%20eat%20that%3F%20Perspectives%20on%20food%20decision%20making%20and%20dietary%20restraint.PDF&ei=x3rCTd_cFoeahQe99ey5BQ&usg=AFQjCNFNuQToNWyvJXO6MStEccAQ9UtFlw&cad=rja)

The section on implementation intentions (my area), the external environment and automatic processes, esp packaging cues is useful. The rest is mainly about where people go wrong. I'd suggest reading it all is likely to bore you into unrestrained eating, but using the headings, it is quite accessible. If you can be arsed to read it, I'd summarise it as "dieting doesn't work, make healthy eating your habit by planning your meals, not buying tempting stuff, and instead use low energy density food so weight control will be less effortful and less prone to lapses".<breathes out>

Why did I eat that? Perspectives on food decision making and dietary restraint

Melissa G. Bublitza, low asterisk, E-mail The Corresponding Author, Laura A. Peracchioa, E-mail The Corresponding Author and Lauren G. Blockb, E-mail The Corresponding Author

a Sheldon B. Lubar School of Business, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, PO Box 742, Milwaukee, WI 53201, USA

b Zicklin School of Business, Baruch College, Marketing Department, B12-240, New York, NY 10010, USA
Received 25 June 2010;
accepted 28 June 2010.
Available online 31 July 2010.

Abstract

Consumers trying to watch or restrict what they eat face a battle each day as they attempt to navigate the food-rich environments in which they live. Due to the complexity of food decision making, consumers are susceptible to a wide range of social, cognitive, affective, and environmental forces determined to interrupt their intentions to restrict their dietary intake. In this article, we integrate literature from diverse theoretical perspectives into a conceptual framework designed to offer a better understanding of the antecedents, interruptions, and consequences of dietary restraint. We outline a path for researchers to investigate how restraint behaviors in the eating domain influence a wide variety of consumer psychological phenomena. It is our hope that a collective examination of this literature provides a lens that directs future research on food decision making and dietary restraint and empowers consumers to invest their cognitive and behavioral resources towards healthy eating behaviors.

Keywords: Dietary restraint; Dieting; Eating behavior; Food consumption; Food
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 06 May, 2011, 06:40:57 am
Can I come back in please as I have balloned since Christmas and the Dr has issued a stern warning that he will have to up the pill dosage (blood pressure / Cholesterol) if I do not lose weight.

At the moment I can just get my pulse up to 130 but it is a real struggle.  Bigger dose lower top pulse  :(  I will be crawling around.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 06 May, 2011, 08:54:33 am
This morning I have put on a pair of Rohans that have a little slack in the waist...Last time I wore them about a month ago there was a little jogler-overspill in that region :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 06 May, 2011, 01:40:22 pm
This morning I have put on a pair of Rohans that have a little slack in the waist...Last time I wore them about a month ago there was a little jogler-overspill in that region :)

Well that's either very good news  O:-) or Marj has been diplomatic and eased them at the seams when you weren't looking.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 May, 2011, 03:44:40 pm
Back to 70kg today. Looks like it was a blip.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 May, 2011, 11:51:12 am
What yesterday's Hop Garden 200 told me is that my general fitness condition isn't bad, but I do need to shed a few pounds of excess flab as a matter of urgency - going up hills was harder work than it might have been if I were lighter, and this could be a real issue on the Beast 600 in three weeks.

Got caught by the paparazzi (Mr & Mrs Cyklisten) while grunting up Holly Hill towards the end of yesterday's ride. Quite shocked at how lardy I look in the pics.  :(

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2011, 12:48:07 pm
Whatever else you do, suspend all weight loss effort in the four days before The Beast.
Carrying a few extra kg uphill may be hard work and slower than you'd hope; riding with no motor will make The Beast's completion impossible.
Don't ask me how I know this...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 May, 2011, 01:07:00 pm
Don't ask me how I know this...

 ;D

It's sensible advice. I'm not planning on a stupid crash diet though - just staying off the booze and trying to be careful not to overeat, which is my usual problem. Next week's 400 should burn off a few excess calories too.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2011, 02:21:51 pm
To do a 600, you need access to all the accessible energy stores in your body. They are the first to go when you start a weight loss program (and the last to return...). Subcutaneous fat releases its energy so slowly, it may not be much use to the randonneur.
Accessible energy is found in glycogen (muscle and liver), abdominal fat and recently-eaten foods (any, so long as it's absorbed).
Eat well in the days before The Beast and on the ride itself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 10 May, 2011, 01:33:25 pm
86.0 kg today.

A few things I am noticing from this food diary business:

- too much of my energy comes from fat
- too much of my fat comes from chocolate - in fact, on most days chocolate, If I've had any (which is rather often) is my biggest single source of fat

- fat or chocolate or not, 8 out of 10 days I'm within my calorie limit
- my worst enemy with all this is bad eating habits: getting too hungry too late in the day to get stuck into cooking properly hence a temptation to eat relative crap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2011, 01:35:55 pm
86.0 kg today.

A few things I am noticing from this food diary business:

- too much of my energy comes from fat
- too much of my fat comes from chocolate - in fact, on most days chocolate, If I've had any (which is rather often) is my biggest single source of fat

- fat or chocolate or not, 8 out of 10 days I'm within my calorie limit
- my worst enemy with all this is bad eating habits: getting too hungry too late in the day to get stuck into cooking properly hence a temptation to eat relative crap.

What's the % breakdown, SP?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 10 May, 2011, 04:06:54 pm
The app / website that I'm using doesn't give me that info directly, but working it out on the basis of 9 cal / g fat, it varies from 25% to over 40%.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: E.C. Ryder on 10 May, 2011, 04:29:18 pm
I`ve lost two and half stone in 5 months on a low-fat diet, but fear is helping a lot as I`m suffering with painful gallstones!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2011, 04:33:05 pm
The app / website that I'm using doesn't give me that info directly, but working it out on the basis of 9 cal / g fat, it varies from 25% to over 40%.

If that averaged out to say 35% I'd not be too worried.  Racing Weight has a section about the nutritional breakdown and you can cope with a fairly wide range of fat/carb balance in your diet.

I'd suggest that aiming for around 30% would be sensible, so maybe cutting down on the >40% days would get you there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 10 May, 2011, 09:00:22 pm
Thanks simonp. Noted.

The type of fat I'm consuming is certainly changing - lots of nuts and avocados and what-not provide a good proportion. All I'm doing at the moment is 1) recording everything which helps with 2) cutting out the crap and 3) staying within a limit.  

My problem is bad eating habits. Today was a typical work day:

0730 or so:
250 ml of Innocent fruit smoothie and a cup of tea.

Yes, I know that is not much of a breakfast but I really don't feel like much in the morning. Sometimes I'll have a bircher muesli or similar concoction. So that's < 200 Cal so far

Mid-morning:
Banana x1 (or nothing, depending on banana stocks).

Lunch (anytime between 12 and 14:00):
Crayfish salad and a yoghurt (~ 450 Cal or thereabouts)

Afternoon:
2 glasses of water.

Home from work 20:00(can be anytime between 17:30 and 20:30):

And this is my problem: today I was back from work about 20:00. I have eaten the above. I've used 500 Cal odd on my commute. My intake limit is 1920, not considering the exercise. So far, I've eaten 756 Cal. I'm not that hungry, but I just cannot be arsed cooking. I have lots of cookables but I just want to chill for a bit.

Come 22:00 or 22:30, I'll be hungry. I'll not eat complete crap, but I might make do with a massive bowl of Special K with added cranberries, maybe some almonds, and maybe a banana. This is the time when I'll also shove some chocolate in my face, if I've not been careful to avoid buying any.

I need to complete rearrange the whole eating thing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 10 May, 2011, 09:11:02 pm
SP, your diet sounds positively heath-farm like compared to mine  :o

Today I ate 1 bowl of porridge with honey in it, 3 bags of Walkers crisps, 2 slices of white toast with butter all over it, 1 Fry's chocolate Cream bar, 1 banana, 1 small bunch of grapes, a great chunk of apricot and white stilton cheese, 1 Cadburys Cream egg, 1 home made Asparagus and Bacon Linguini with Creme fraiche and parmesan in it, 1 microwaved asda chocolate pudding with chocolate sauce, and I haven't even finished yet  :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 10 May, 2011, 09:18:39 pm
I dare say if I was doing the miles that you are putting in I'd be needing a lot more.

As it is, I'm not really even that hungry. I think I'll take advantage of the deficit and have some scrambled eggs and toast.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 10 May, 2011, 09:36:48 pm
It seems sprinting is better for absolute fat burning than endurance training, might give it a go if I can be arsed!

Ultimate Bootcamp Blog: What is the best fat burning exercise - Running or Sprinting? (http://bostonbootcamps.blogspot.com/2011/05/what-is-best-fat-burning-exercise.html)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2011, 09:44:03 pm
I'd say yes but watch you don't over do it.

I think there is a thread about HIIT elsewhere.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 11 May, 2011, 08:47:09 am
- my worst enemy with all this is bad eating habits: getting too hungry too late in the day to get stuck into cooking properly hence a temptation to eat relative crap.

Easily done, especially if no decent lunch options are available. If you do cook, try doing what I do - make a large quantity of "main course! (it often works better than small batches anyway) and freeze. Then all that is needed is to get it out in the morning to defrost, and prep and add veg when you cook.  I do this with stews, goulash, variations of chicken (usually thighs cos they're cheaper, tastier and moister than breast) in sauce (with leek, or tarragon, au vin etc. all "one pan" cooked) as well as the usual mince based stuff. And what works on my case is cutting out / severely reducing carb intake (potatoes!) - so last night was chicken & tarragon in white wine & cream sauce with button mushroom (only 1 thigh in the portion) with brocolli, asparagus and 2 small jersey royals.Tasty, filling and reasonable healthy. 

I've also made a point of getting up early enough to have a breakfast - shredded wheat, sulatanas, bananas, sliced peaches (the typ bouth in juice), strawberries and a spoonful of youghurt (we make our own in a vacuum flask).  I also take a lunch to work - but it's reduced to a single sandwich made from a small loaf, with plentiful filling (no mayo though) and a couple of bananas. And I resist the snack van / chocolate machine. Easier in my new job as there is no van, and the choc machine is upstairs. I also don't take change (for the machine) to work with me.

I've also cut out virtually all chocolate at home (the occasional couple of chocolate digestives excepted), crisps totally, most cake (we're not great cake eaters anyway).

So far, a slow reduction in weight, but hopefully sustainable!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 11 May, 2011, 09:10:36 am
mumblefatmumblelazymumblebastardmumble  >:(
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 11 May, 2011, 09:26:09 am
I need a belt or braces for all my trousers. :o Something is occurring but I don't know whatorwhy 'cause I'm not weight watching ???
I iz  :smug: bastard

however


I'm still the thick end of 20kg heavier than I used to be & measure speed uphills in minutes per metre ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 11 May, 2011, 10:12:22 am
I need a belt or braces for all my trousers. :o Something is occurring but I don't know whatorwhy 'cause I'm not weight watching ???
I iz  :smug: bastard

however


I'm still the thick end of 20kg heavier than I used to be & measure speed uphills in minutes per metre ::-)


Burn the witch!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(









 :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 11 May, 2011, 08:16:36 pm
Back from work - similar sort of day, I've consumed 976 calories so far. If I include 500 Cal for my commute* that means there is nearly 1500 Cal remaining to my target. I feel a chicken caesar salad coming on.

*I'm not sure if I am going to continue to factor in this short commute (60 mins approx - average usually just under 14 mph). It's very stop / start and flat. I get to hammer it a bit on the way home once in a while but mostly it's a steady ride with a lot of breathers at lights.

try doing what I do - make a large quantity

Good point. I need to get back into that again.

Lots of good advice there, thanks rafletcher.

That's another thing I need do - re-start the packed lunches.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 11 May, 2011, 08:24:31 pm
the occasional couple of chocolate digestives excepted

I can't have a couple of chocolate digos: it's the entire packet or none at all  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 11 May, 2011, 11:26:24 pm
I think you should eat more earlier in the day, so you don't get so hungry at night.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 11 May, 2011, 11:56:28 pm
I'll have to see if I can discover anything that might appeal and only takes minutes to make. Porridge is good but I Can only occasionally BA. Greek yoghurt + bit of granola + fresh fruit is the sort of thing I could handle.

I think part of the reason that I'm even worse than usual with breakfast is that since I started monitoring my intake I've been "saving" for later in the day to ensure that I've a good margin. Now that my mental calorie content database is coming along, I can stop doing that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 12 May, 2011, 10:48:54 am
the occasional couple of chocolate digestives excepted

I can't have a couple of chocolate digos: it's the entire packet or none at all  ::-)

My downfall is with alcohol - I can not do it, or do it, but never "in moderation".  I just can't do one or two glasses, it's a minimum of 3/4 of a bottle once I start, and usually more - so I restrict myself to fri/sat evenings for drinking. Usually.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 12 May, 2011, 11:55:33 am
I can't do willpower either. The answer is simple; don't buy that stuff. I don't have nice ice cream, crisps/nuts, spirits, posh biscuits, etc in the house. That way, I am not tempted to nom them. I restrict myself to 4 beers a week, and only buy 4. When they are gone, they are gone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 12 May, 2011, 12:26:58 pm
I can't do willpower either.

neither can I

nice ice cream, crisps/nuts, spirits, posh biscuits,

all availble chez jogler's

a dangerous combination
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 May, 2011, 12:28:12 pm
a dangerous combination

You're not supposed to eat them all at once!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Si_Co on 12 May, 2011, 12:29:10 pm
I don't have nice ice cream, crisps/nuts, spirits, posh biscuits, etc in the house.

neither do we, 20 mins after the mrs gets in with the shopping  :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 May, 2011, 12:37:08 pm
I can resist picking up things I shouldn't eat from the supermarket, but my wife has recently discovered her passion for baking, which means lately she's been sending lots of pastry my way...

It's not so much not being able to resist as not being allowed to.  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 12 May, 2011, 12:39:04 pm


I don't have nice ice cream, crisps/nuts, spirits, posh biscuits, etc in the house.

neither do we, 20 mins after the mrs gets in with the shopping  :demon:

neither do we 20 mins after my son & his family arrive ;)
 ;D


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 12 May, 2011, 12:40:49 pm


It's not so much not being able to resist as not being allowed to.  :-\

d.


yeah....right ::-)
I bet that arm twisting really hurts ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Si_Co on 12 May, 2011, 12:42:29 pm
neither do we 20 mins after my son & his family arrive ;)
 ;D

We're only thinking of you, it's for your own good after all  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 May, 2011, 12:45:07 pm
I bet that arm twisting really hurts ;D

I think she's playing mind games with me.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 12 May, 2011, 12:48:08 pm
neither do we 20 mins after my son & his family arrive ;)
 ;D

We're only thinking of you, it's for your own good after all  ;)

I completely understand your motives & fully appreciate your sacrifices...

after all what?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 16 May, 2011, 10:56:05 am
Right, time to start properly for PBP otherwise it's going to be harder work than necessary.

Fitness needs improving and I could do with losing 6kg.

PBP is over 12 weeks away so I need to maintain ~0.5kg a week weight loss, that's ~500kcal a day deficit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 May, 2011, 11:28:55 am
I'm a whole 1kg lighter after the Invicta 400.  :thumbsup:

Wonder how long the weight will stay off...  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 16 May, 2011, 11:41:41 am
It's quite difficult to have a low calorie breakfast. F'rinstance, 2 oatibix + SS milk + a few toasted almonds and a couple of dried apricots, preceded by 250 ml of fresh orange juice, is over 500 Cal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 May, 2011, 11:45:50 am
It's quite difficult to have a low calorie breakfast. F'rinstance, 2 oatibix + SS milk + a few toasted almonds and a couple of dried apricots, preceded by 250 ml of fresh orange juice, is over 500 Cal.

Out of a calorie budget of around 2000 that is not a problem.  Eating a good breakfast is not a bad idea.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 16 May, 2011, 11:49:34 am
If I don't eat breakfast then I tend to eat a bigger lunch ending up in me consuming more calories than if I'd had breakfast and a smaller lunch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 May, 2011, 12:08:16 pm
I agree. I don't think 500 cals is anything like too much for breakfast.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 16 May, 2011, 12:23:47 pm
300kcal for 3 weetabix and semi-skimmed milk.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 May, 2011, 12:38:31 pm
My standard breakfast is two granary toast sandwiches (ie four slices of bread), with unsalted butter, marmalade and Whole Earth* crunchy peanut butter. I've calculated it at just short of 700kcal but that might be an overestimate.

It keeps me going until lunchtime.

d.

*The peanut butter brand is significant because it has no added sugar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 16 May, 2011, 12:52:12 pm
I guess it just seems a lot to me as for the first spell of this calorie-monitoring I was mostly skipping breakfast. I'll just have to reconfigure my habits. What I'd really like is a boiled egg on toast some mornings but I'll have to adjust my timings.

Speaking of toast: I bought a loaf of WeightWatchers bread last week. Awful stuff, insubstantial and tasteless. I found myself being quite furtive with it at the till. Thankfully I won't be buying it again.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 16 May, 2011, 12:57:38 pm
My breakfast is 100g (~370kcal) of oats plus 300ml of sweetened soya milk (~125kcal), so nearly dead on 500kcal. It keeps me feeling nicely full until lunch. I eat that at least 3x a day (breakfast, post commute home snack, dessert). It gets me about 60g of protein, so about half what I supposedly need, along with a big dose of carbs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 May, 2011, 01:16:38 pm
It's quite difficult to have a low calorie breakfast. F'rinstance, 2 oatibix + SS milk + a few toasted almonds and a couple of dried apricots, preceded by 250 ml of fresh orange juice, is over 500 Cal.

250ml orange juice = 125 kcal.
Think about this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 16 May, 2011, 01:35:10 pm
250ml orange juice = 125 kcal.
Think about this.

True, but I have to have my OJ in the morning. I'm being quite good keeping it to 250 ml - my usual would be 350.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 May, 2011, 01:42:32 pm
250ml orange juice = 125 kcal.
Think about this.

True, but I have to have my OJ in the morning. I'm being quite good keeping it to 250 ml - my usual would be 350.


Fair enough. I also love my morning orange juice and don't like to miss it. I limit it to one 'Nutella'  glass though (200ml). Some people drink  much energy without being conscious of the Calorie content. I posted more as a warning to them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 16 May, 2011, 01:57:32 pm
PBP is over 12 weeks away so I need to maintain ~0.5kg a week weight loss, that's ~500kcal a day deficit.

GB, out of interest, do you account for the calories used during your commute or do you ignore that?

84.8 kg today, another kg or so off. Again, losing possibly a little faster than ideal but I am sure it'll slow down now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 16 May, 2011, 02:08:55 pm
My fairly standard breakfast is two slices of warburton's seeded batch, 3 thin rashers of bacon and a fried egg, a waffle with honey, 300ml of orange juice, and sometimes also 30g of raisins and a banana.  I don't know what that is in kcal, but it's about 140g of carbs (I only carb-count as I'm diabetic).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 16 May, 2011, 05:35:18 pm
Wow my weight has dropped to 56.2kg (over 1 kg) 24 hours after finishing a 400!
I wonder if this will go back up again over the next few days. I had been managing to maintain a fairly stable weight since reaching a bit under my initial target. If I get to 54kg I will be the same as I was aged 18  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 16 May, 2011, 06:00:13 pm
For breakfast,I now eat two weetabix with nat yogurt,sweetened with real fruit.I am getting pretty bored with it now though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 16 May, 2011, 07:02:56 pm
3½ lbs off last week - which means I've lost the 2½lbs I put on whilst gorging myself on holiday.  Only another 1lb and I'll be 3 stone lighter than I was in the middle of January.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 May, 2011, 07:23:05 pm
Wow my weight has dropped to 56.2kg (over 1 kg) 24 hours after finishing a 400!
I wonder if this will go back up again over the next few days. I had been managing to maintain a fairly stable weight since reaching a bit under my initial target. If I get to 54kg I will be the same as I was aged 18  :o

I weighed myself earlier - 70.5kg.  When I was 18 I, too, was 54kg…

The body fat scales said 14% fat.  This is unlike post-Elenith where they claimed 7.5%.  Legs full of water no doubt after that.

They have a metric called “metabolic age”.  Sounds like bollocks, but the number it gave was 20.  I think that’s the lowest I’ve seen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 16 May, 2011, 07:27:01 pm
Wow my weight has dropped to 56.2kg (over 1 kg) 24 hours after finishing a 400!
I wonder if this will go back up again over the next few days. I had been managing to maintain a fairly stable weight since reaching a bit under my initial target. If I get to 54kg I will be the same as I was aged 18  :o

I weighed myself earlier - 70.5kg.  When I was 18 I, too, was 54kg…

The body fat scales said 14% fat.  This is unlike post-Elenith where they claimed 7.5%.  Legs full of water no doubt after that.

They have a metric called “metabolic age”.  Sounds like bollocks, but the number it gave was 20.  I think that’s the lowest I’ve seen.


Any idea what my body fat would be likely to be given I'm 5'8" female and 40?
I suspect I might be considered clinically underweight now but IMO I'm not it's just the shape I was born to be really.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 May, 2011, 07:40:40 pm
Wow my weight has dropped to 56.2kg (over 1 kg) 24 hours after finishing a 400!
I wonder if this will go back up again over the next few days. I had been managing to maintain a fairly stable weight since reaching a bit under my initial target. If I get to 54kg I will be the same as I was aged 18  :o

I weighed myself earlier - 70.5kg.  When I was 18 I, too, was 54kg…

The body fat scales said 14% fat.  This is unlike post-Elenith where they claimed 7.5%.  Legs full of water no doubt after that.

They have a metric called “metabolic age”.  Sounds like bollocks, but the number it gave was 20.  I think that’s the lowest I’ve seen.


Any idea what my body fat would be likely to be given I'm 5'8" female and 40?
I suspect I might be considered clinically underweight now but IMO I'm not it's just the shape I was born to be really.

I don’t know what your body fat would be.  On the low side, at a guess, since you’re active.

I get a BMI of 18.1 from those numbers; that’s underweight, though I have no idea how significant that is.  I don’t think putting on a bit of weight would hurt.  Generally as people age the ideal amount of body fat increases a bit too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 16 May, 2011, 07:54:06 pm
Ah thanks. TBH I couldn't eat more than I currently am if I tried  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 16 May, 2011, 07:55:57 pm
3½ lbs off last week - which means I've lost the 2½lbs I put on whilst gorging myself on holiday.  Only another 1lb and I'll be 3 stone lighter than I was in the middle of January.  :thumbsup:

that's awsome work Reg, congrats!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 16 May, 2011, 09:15:18 pm
3 stone, that's good going  :)

I re-checked my weight late in the day, after removing my belt and pocket change this time (and a visit to the khazi) - 84.2 kg. I checked it on the other scales too and got the same (these are calibrated scales at work) from 90.9.

I think I might re-set my target to 82 kg. That'll bring me back to the weight I was at in my 20s.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 17 May, 2011, 06:07:44 pm
After my somewhat demanding experience of the Brian Chapman over the weekend, I've managed to lose 3.5kg in two days. If only there was a way of keeping it there over the next week or so.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 May, 2011, 06:29:41 pm
After my somewhat demanding experience of the Brian Chapman over the weekend, I've managed to lose 3.5kg in two days. If only there was a way of keeping it there over the next week or so.

Yebbut what you've lost over the BCM is not mostly fat; it's water, glycogen, muscle protein and a little fat. You need these to power your bicycle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 May, 2011, 06:44:24 pm
Just read jo's BCM report. It reinforces my sentiment that these losses aren't fat. You don't really want to ail like that on a ride again. (Well, speaking for myself, I certainly would not!)
You want to be well enough to feed and keep up up with at least some of your nutritional requirements; well done on completing BCM! I hope you are fitter on PBP though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 17 May, 2011, 08:19:52 pm
Thanks. Yes I do realise that 3.5 kgs of fat cannot magically disappear over a weekend. I will be doing my best to ensure that nothing like that ever happens again. I was surprised though at how a body under stress can still deliver the goods when it has to.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 17 May, 2011, 08:27:59 pm
Thanks. Yes I do realise that 3.5 kgs of fat cannot magically disappear over a weekend. I will be doing my best to ensure that nothing like that ever happens again. I was surprised though at how a body under stress can still deliver the goods when it has to.

You probably sent your body into survival mode where it knew it had to get you the hell out of there if you were to live to ride another day  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 May, 2011, 10:02:21 pm
Likewise, the 1kg I lost over the weekend has already returned. Ho hum!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 May, 2011, 11:26:11 pm
In theory if you ate nothing on the BCM you’d lose about 1.5kgs fat, I reckon.

Assuming of course that you didn’t die as a result. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2011, 01:35:53 am
Graphs now have absolute and % change.


Thanks for that.

No problem. I think I need to split the graphs up.  Splitting them into two subsets based on above/below median weight for instance.  Each week, when people update their weights, they can move between the upper and lower divisions. :)

Also, I could add BMI.  It would need to know the user’s height (in cm, I suggest, for simplicity).  This would be done by simply putting ‘height=NNcm’ in the body of the post (outside the table).


Right, this is implemented.  So far Feline’s BMI curve is looking a bit lonely.  Feel free to join her. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 19 May, 2011, 01:42:28 am
Graphs now have absolute and % change.


Thanks for that.

No problem. I think I need to split the graphs up.  Splitting them into two subsets based on above/below median weight for instance.  Each week, when people update their weights, they can move between the upper and lower divisions. :)

Also, I could add BMI.  It would need to know the user’s height (in cm, I suggest, for simplicity).  This would be done by simply putting ‘height=NNcm’ in the body of the post (outside the table).


Right, this is implemented.  So far Feline’s BMI curve is looking a bit lonely.  Feel free to join her. :)


hehe thanks  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2011, 01:47:26 am
No problem.  The next thing to add is target tracking.  People have been a bit random how they specify the target.  For my purposes, something like target=NNkg would be helpful.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 19 May, 2011, 08:43:25 am
I'm just starting on the long road that Reg's a fair way down (well done Reg!) and with similar targtes to lose.  I've manged to drop 6.3kg in about 6 weeks, and (for the luddites) saw 14st something (ok, 14st 13.6lbs!) on my scales for the first time in 3 years.  So I started at 100kg, I'm now at 95kg, and I'd like to reach around 82kg.  Should be there around the end of August in theory. We'll see.  A new sportive bike's riding on the result!

Mainly down to having a decent work/life balance for the first time in 3 years - I can work 07:30-16:00 and get to the gym 3 nights a week and still get home at a reasonable hour to have an evening with my wife. Or equally get home and go out for a ride and syill be home at a sensible hour.  I'm only working contract, so I'm hoping it'll continue....  (having said that there are guys here who've been on contract 9 years - it's a Swedish company and they seem keen to keep permanent headcount down, but retain contract staff even during periods of redundancy)  I'm also eating differently. A decent bowl of shredded wheat and fruit for breakfast, a single sandwich (rather than 2) at lunch, with banana or 2 during the day, and a smaller dinner, with less carbohydrate (in my case that means mainly cutting down on the potatoes - hard with Jersey Royals about!)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 19 May, 2011, 08:56:14 pm
I'm just starting on the long road that Reg's a fair way down

Good work, rafletcher.

Like you, my rate of loss (at least so far) has been a bit higher than recommended but I'll see how it plays out.

I agree that a stable work pattern helps immensely; I'd do well to remind myself of how it was to do night shifts not so long ago and take more advantage of my current relatively normal working times.

What are you limiting your intake to?

Anyhoo, as an aside, I rather like this new 1% milk that Sainsbury's have, with the orange cap. Indistinguishable from normal semi-skimmed. I might switch to it as I do like my cereals. And when I make porridge, it's made with milk.   
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 May, 2011, 09:53:50 pm
If you're happy with 1% fat milk, fine. Just bear in mind it contains only 6 grams less fat than semi-skimmed per pint and that if you only drink half a pint of milk per day, you'd reduce your fat intake by a whopping three grams.
 ;) ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2011, 09:58:31 pm
If you're happy with 1% fat milk, fine. Just bear in mind it contains only 6 grams less fat than semi-skimmed per pint and that if you only drink half a pint of milk per day, you'd reduce your fat intake by a whopping three grams.
 ;) ;D

It’s only 36 calories, per pint, but that’s 1/5 of the calorie deficit I’d be looking for if trying to gradually lose weight.

For the same reason I have half fat mozzarella cheese.  Lower calories, lower saturated fat, and all the protein.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 19 May, 2011, 10:03:20 pm
I know it isn't much (although I do get through at least 500 ml /day), but my thinking is that if it is just as palatable as milk that has twice as much fat, and it's the kind of fat I want to have less of...

Edit: I should add that I can't stand skimmed milk.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 May, 2011, 10:08:57 pm
Fine. I only have half a pint of milk daily anyway.
Half-fat mozzarella would save this amount of fat in a 10g portion.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2011, 10:12:57 pm
Fine. I only have half a pint of milk daily anyway.
Half-fat mozzarella would save this amount of fat in a 10g portion.

I like my 125g portions. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 19 May, 2011, 10:15:53 pm
If I buy Mozzarella I just nom the whole packet .... this reminds me ... *legs it to the fridge*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 19 May, 2011, 10:51:39 pm
I know it isn't much (although I do get through at least 500 ml /day), but my thinking is that if it is just as palatable as milk that has twice as much fat, and it's the kind of fat I want to have less of...

Edit: I should add that I can't stand skimmed milk.

I also used to hate skimmed milk but, with a bit of effort, I now like the stuff and prefer it to semi-skimmed. If I have full-fat in tea, I find it a bit gross. It's OK in coffee although I use skimmed at home and I generally ask for it (skimmed) in coffee shops as well.
I think that the break-through for me was having it in porridge with honey; the honey made it seem creamier.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 May, 2011, 11:31:36 pm
I know it isn't much (although I do get through at least 500 ml /day), but my thinking is that if it is just as palatable as milk that has twice as much fat, and it's the kind of fat I want to have less of...

Edit: I should add that I can't stand skimmed milk.

I also used to hate skimmed milk but, with a bit of effort, I now like the stuff and prefer it to semi-skimmed. If I have full-fat in tea, I find it a bit gross. It's OK in coffee although I use skimmed at home and I generally ask for it (skimmed) in coffee shops as well.
I think that the break-through for me was having it in porridge with honey; the honey made it seem creamier.

So you replaced 2 grams of fat in your porridge with 5 grams of sugar? That may not save any calories...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2011, 11:39:49 pm
Porridge for me is made with salt and water, not milk.  Not sure that’s healthier, but it’s this: correct.  :smug:

I add a small amount of milk to eat it with, and a small amount of honey.  I doubt that in 80g of oats 100ml milk and 15g honey is really going to make much difference.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 19 May, 2011, 11:45:19 pm

So you replaced 2 grams of fat in your porridge with 5 grams of sugar? That may not save any calories...

True enough, but I was having sugar in the porridge anyway and it helped me get used to skimmed milk in everything else  :)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2011, 12:45:28 am
Added a bit more flexibility in the parsing to cope with SP’s height specification being in m rather than cm.  Wonder who will be first to require the parser to support feet and inches? :)

That’s not an invitation btw.  I may just turn up my nose at that.

The bandwidth needs for hosting the images don’t seem to be a problem yet.  Wonder if anyone is looking. :)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 20 May, 2011, 11:10:12 am
Porridge for me is made with salt and water, not milk.  Not sure that’s healthier, but it’s this: correct.  :smug:

Quite. Making porridge with milk is a soft southern affectation.

Quote
I add a small amount of milk to eat it with, and a small amount of honey.  I doubt that in 80g of oats 100ml milk and 15g honey is really going to make much difference.

I like my porridge with a spoonful of Greek yoghurt, a drizzle of honey and some toasted almonds. Not as healthy as eating it plain, perhaps, but probably a darn sight healthier than a bowl of Coco Pops. Or a bacon sandwich.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 20 May, 2011, 01:01:56 pm
Best way to eat oats is to soak them overnight in sweetened soya milk in the fridge, then eat them cold. They taste like something between luxury ice cream and whipped cream. Delicious. I eat 200-400g of oats a day this way. Somewhat embarassingly, since Sunday I've gotten through a 1kg bag of oats and a 750g of instant oats (combining the two makes the oat goop really creamy), albeit both my 18 month old and 5yr old love the goop too. We get through enough soya milk in our house for us to look into soya milk makers.

Sweetened soya milk is comparible to semi skimmed in terms of carbs/protein/fat, but has less calories and tastes much, much nicer to me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 20 May, 2011, 01:14:51 pm
Best way to eat oats is to soak them overnight in sweetened soya milk

I'll try that.

Porridge for me is made with salt and water, not milk.  Not sure that’s healthier, but it’s this: correct.  :smug:

It always seems harder to get down me when made with water. How much salt are you adding, BTW, per bowl of porridge?

porridge with milk is a soft southern affectation

You think that's bad? I also always make it with a glug of olive oil.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2011, 01:18:54 pm
I'm slightly worried by soy.  Men who eat a lot of tofu have a higher risk of cognitive degeneration.  Of course, the issue may be to do with the tofu production process rather than to soy.  Milk isn't an unhealthy drink, so I'll stick with that.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 May, 2011, 01:19:06 pm
Sweetened soya milk is comparible to semi skimmed in terms of carbs/protein/fat, but has less calories and tastes much, much nicer to me.

I don't understand this; if something has a comparable protein/carb/fat content it will contain a comparable number of calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2011, 01:22:13 pm
Maybe in relative proportions rather than absolute?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 22 May, 2011, 09:21:53 pm
Best way to eat oats is to soak them overnight in sweetened soya milk

I'll try that.

Actually, I won't, because I'm not too sure about soya either. I quite like soya milk, but it's a bit of a dubious concoction.

Bircher muesli involves a similar overnight soak, except in apple juice, and is extremely yumptious:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/recipes/article1973471.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/recipes/article1973471.ece)

If you have a container of the soaked oats in the fridge it's pretty easy to put the rest together in not very much time. I've used pear instead of apple. I'm hoping this will help get me out of the habit of not having anything in the mornings before work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 May, 2011, 09:26:55 pm
Best way to eat oats is to soak them overnight in sweetened soya milk

I'll try that.

Porridge for me is made with salt and water, not milk.  Not sure that’s healthier, but it’s this: correct.  :smug:

It always seems harder to get down me when made with water. How much salt are you adding, BTW, per bowl of porridge?


1/4 tsp at a guess.  I don’t measure it accurately, maybe I should, but it’s one of the few places I have added salt.  I eat brown rice without salt, and add salt when boiling pasta, but that should mostly stay in the water.

When I was calorie tracking I found my salt intake to be fine overall.  I did analyse one salad that I was buying from a local cafe, was feta salad and it had a ridiculous amount of salt, the whole salad was more than the entire daily allowance.  Haven’t had that since.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 22 May, 2011, 09:40:40 pm
Aye, 50 g of feta has about 1.8 g of salt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 May, 2011, 09:45:11 pm
Add in sun dried tomatoes and olives and it was lethal. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 May, 2011, 09:46:14 pm
Also their tuna nicoise salad came out bad.  Don’t buy that any more either.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 22 May, 2011, 10:08:01 pm
Still on the salt front, another thing I noted recently that suprised me: 50 g (couple of slices, if that) of smoked salmon - 3.75 g of salt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 May, 2011, 10:29:56 pm
Indeed, but I guess it’s that or give you some horrible disease from things not being dead enough.

I’ve been eating fresh salmon instead.  Wild, of course.  Bloody expensive.

However, I made it into a thai style stir fry (amazingly nice it turned out) and spoiled it with all the soy sauce. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 May, 2011, 12:07:33 am
If you are watching your salt intake, beware bread and manufactured breakfast cereals like cornflakes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2011, 12:30:31 am
If you are watching your salt intake, beware bread and manufactured breakfast cereals like cornflakes.

Indeed.  Though putting in all the data on Livestrong suggested I was on average OK.

I do like my toast, but stay away from cornflakes and similar.  Weetabix isn’t too bad.  The muesli I have contains 0.05g sodium per 100g which is very low.

I’ve started using microwave bagged brown basmati rice for convenience.  But it contains added salt.  Brown rice has plenty flavour already.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 23 May, 2011, 01:18:39 am
If you are watching your salt intake, beware bread and manufactured breakfast cereals like cornflakes.

Indeed.  Though putting in all the data on Livestrong suggested I was on average OK.

I do like my toast, but stay away from cornflakes and similar.  Weetabix isn’t too bad.  The muesli I have contains 0.05g sodium per 100g which is very low.

I’ve started using microwave bagged brown basmati rice for convenience.  But it contains added salt.  Brown rice has plenty flavour already.  :facepalm:


Is porridge OK? I'm tending to eat more of that these days, and I don't add any salt to it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2011, 01:28:15 am
If you are watching your salt intake, beware bread and manufactured breakfast cereals like cornflakes.

Indeed.  Though putting in all the data on Livestrong suggested I was on average OK.

I do like my toast, but stay away from cornflakes and similar.  Weetabix isn’t too bad.  The muesli I have contains 0.05g sodium per 100g which is very low.

I’ve started using microwave bagged brown basmati rice for convenience.  But it contains added salt.  Brown rice has plenty flavour already.  :facepalm:


Is porridge OK? I'm tending to eat more of that these days, and I don't add any salt to it.

Without added salt it should be very low-salt.  Only a trace according to the nutrition info.  When it’s made with milk the milk provides the salt (from checking the nutrition info).

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 May, 2011, 01:38:03 am
Porridge is fine.
Manufactured means produced in a factory wiv added salt'n'sugar'n'vitamins'n'fings.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2011, 01:43:32 am
On the weight topic, I’ve not cycled all week (since Monday).  Getting fat. :(

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 23 May, 2011, 02:23:01 am
On the weight topic, I’ve not cycled all week (since Monday).  Getting fat. :(



The best thing to do if you can't cycle for a few days is not to weigh yourself  ;D (works for me anyway!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 23 May, 2011, 07:04:37 am
Porridge is fine.
Manufactured means produced in a factory wiv added salt'n'sugar'n'vitamins'n'fings.

Worth noting that some brands of oat-based breakfast cereal (ie Ready Brek) are processed and have stuff like salt and sugar added. Oats are oats, should be nothing more nothing less. Even "instant" porridge shouldn't have anything added - it's instant by virtue of the fact that it's very finely milled so cooks much quicker. (The trade-off is a less pleasant texture - instant oats can be a bit slimy.)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 May, 2011, 11:02:05 am
I know the tescos ready bready ripoff is just oats and oat flour. I mix it up with my bog standard oats for extra creaminess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 23 May, 2011, 11:08:40 am
Apologies, just checked the ingredients for Ready Brek and there's no added salt or sugar. The only additions are vitamins and minerals. According to the website, it's basically whole oats and oat flour in a 60:40 ratio.

It's still not real porridge though!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 23 May, 2011, 11:18:40 am
I'm using real porridge, Jordan's which claims it's only ingredient is British oats. I'm assuming this won't have salt or anything in it. All I need to do now is work out a way of microwaving the stuff without boiling it over!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2011, 11:39:33 am
 :o

Microwave!

Bet you don't even have a spurtle either.  ::-)

Jordan's is what I use.  They have no added salt.  There is a trace amount of naturally occurring salt in oats but it's trivial.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 23 May, 2011, 11:42:51 am
:o

Microwave!

Bet you don't even have a spurtle either.  ::-)

Jordan's is what I use.  They have no added salt.  There is a trace amount of naturally occurring salt in oats but it's trivial.


I had to Google spurtle to find out what it was, so no I don't have one  ;D
I have an aversion to washing pans so I always use the microwave for stuff like that!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: dasmoth on 23 May, 2011, 11:48:49 am
My name's dasmoth and I'm an evil porridge-nuker.

I think it's a question of experimentation.  In our particular microwave, I can usually make non-'splodey porridge in 8'30 at 70% power.  60% might be safer, but I'm impatient!  Using a very big bowl helps, too...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 May, 2011, 11:59:47 am
I'm using real porridge, Jordan's which claims it's only ingredient is British oats. I'm assuming this won't have salt or anything in it. All I need to do now is work out a way of microwaving the stuff without boiling it over!

Work out exactly what quantities are needed.
Put into bowl with straight sloping sides. \___/
Zap 30s whilst observing closely.
Repeat 30s zaps.
Record total zaptime.

My partner gets microwave porridge most days and it seldom boils over.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2011, 12:03:35 pm
I'm loving making porridge on my new induction cooker.

And scrambled eggs.  Less of a tendency to turn into a big amorphous lump than with microwaving, and easier cleaning of a nonstick pan than a glass bowl.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 23 May, 2011, 12:10:09 pm
I'm using real porridge, Jordan's which claims it's only ingredient is British oats. I'm assuming this won't have salt or anything in it. All I need to do now is work out a way of microwaving the stuff without boiling it over!

Work out exactly what quantities are needed.
Put into bowl with straight sloping sides. \___/
Zap 30s whilst observing closely.
Repeat 30s zaps.
Record total zaptime.

My partner get microwave porridge most days and it seldom boils over.

 :thumbsup: cheers. I will try to obtain a bowl that shape (I have a few but they are stainless steel  :facepalm: )


I'm loving making porridge on my new induction cooker.

And scrambled eggs.  Less of a tendency to turn into a big amorphous lump than with microwaving, and easier cleaning of a nonstick pan than a glass bowl.


In my house dishes have to be able to go and fit easily into my dishwasher, so bowls trump pans in general. I am very lazy with housework, I have a machine for everything  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 23 May, 2011, 12:57:20 pm
I'm loving making porridge on my new induction cooker.

And scrambled eggs.  Less of a tendency to turn into a big amorphous lump than with microwaving, and easier cleaning of a nonstick pan than a glass bowl.


Ooh reminds me of an enforced sojourn at a Tunbridge Wells B&B some years ago (snow problems on my route home). Breakfast was egg frisbee on toast!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 23 May, 2011, 01:18:17 pm
...egg frisbee ...

Round here, we call those things omelettes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2011, 01:27:53 pm
...egg frisbee ...

Round here, we call those things omelettes.

Japanese omelettes?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 25 May, 2011, 10:14:41 pm

I had to Google spurtle to find out what it was

How many NSFW links did you have to skip before you found the right definition?

It’s only 36 calories, per pint, but that’s 1/5 of the calorie deficit I’d be looking for if trying to gradually lose weight.

For the same reason I have half fat mozzarella cheese.  Lower calories, lower saturated fat, and all the protein.
'

Do you generally try to cut the fat content of your meals?  I think it's generally better to look at the overall calorie content.  Fat is very necessary for health and also helps make you feel full.  People on low fat diets often have terrible hunger cravings and tend to crash and binge.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 May, 2011, 10:43:58 pm

I had to Google spurtle to find out what it was

How many NSFW links did you have to skip before you found the right definition?

It’s only 36 calories, per pint, but that’s 1/5 of the calorie deficit I’d be looking for if trying to gradually lose weight.

For the same reason I have half fat mozzarella cheese.  Lower calories, lower saturated fat, and all the protein.
'

Do you generally try to cut the fat content of your meals?  I think it's generally better to look at the overall calorie content.  Fat is very necessary for health and also helps make you feel full.  People on low fat diets often have terrible hunger cravings and tend to crash and binge.

I was advised to cut saturated fat intake to help get my body fat % down.  Seems to have worked; was as high as 19-20% and is currently 16% and has been as low as 13% at the end of the summer.

I try to achieve around 30% of calories from fat, which is not a particularly low fat diet.  If it’s higher than that, or lower than that, then I don’t worry about it.  The main goal is to avoid high levels of saturated fat and to allow space in my diet for ‘good’ fats.  I’m aiming for a high quality diet.  Check the diet quality score system out, http://getfitslowly.com/2010/11/01/the-diet-quality-score—a-new-twist-on-common-sense-eating/ :

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You also get a pretty good glimpse at Fitzgerald’s dietary philosophy which coincidentally meshes pretty well with mine: eat a diet with lots of fruits, vegetables, and lean proteins as well as a smattering of low fat dairy and healthy fats while avoiding refined carbs, sweets, and fried foods.

This is what I am aiming for.

I’m currently ~71kg with a body mass index of around 21.  Not having any trouble controlling my weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 25 May, 2011, 11:14:37 pm

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You also get a pretty good glimpse at Fitzgerald’s dietary philosophy which coincidentally meshes pretty well with mine: eat a diet with lots of fruits, vegetables, and lean proteins as well as a smattering of low fat dairy and healthy fats while avoiding refined carbs, sweets, and fried foods.



That's a pretty good summary of what I'm trying to do.

I do permit myself a modest amount of chocolate or whatever if I'm within my intake limit. And I don't skimp on the olive or other good oil. I rarely use butter; a tub of notbutter lasts me several weeks.

simonp, salt in rice: I sometimes use Tilda cook in the bag wholegrain basmati - only a trace of salt.

A bag gives 180 g cooked which is a useful sized portion. Takes much longer to cook of course (15 minutes for the wholegrain) compared to the microwavable bags of pre-cooked stuff. So no quicker than cooking it normally, but you don't have to wash the rice or anything, just fling the bag in boiling water and cook the rest of your meal while it simmers.

I'm a bit distrustful of these bagged pre-cooked things like rice and soup. I guess they have come about because of some sort of development in packaging, allowing them just to be pasteurised and then bunged with salt in order to keep the bugs at bay.

Edit: 83.3 kg today. Target now revised to 82 kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 May, 2011, 12:42:43 am
I think the packaging is the main problem.  Not so green.

With the new cooker I'm more tempted to go back to doing rice properly as I can bring a pan to the boil very quickly now.  The "two servings" 250g bags do me just right, by the way. :)  0.2g sodium in that amount isn't that bad, about 8% of the daily limit, but it'd just be a trace in plain brown rice as you say.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 June, 2011, 01:46:40 am
I am making slow progress on the graphing.  It might be ready by the end of the year at this rate.  ::-)

(It's actually not needing very much more work, it's just finding the time).

Oh, btw, Greenbank: I'm probably going to have to fiddle around to work-around your "PBP" entry in August.  :P



He's not the only one doing it

I did this:


                try:
                    weight = float(m.group(1))

                except ValueError:

                    weight = None



Which is a fairly generic way of not falling over when people put random shite in the cells.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 June, 2011, 01:56:47 am
Just added myself to the weight reports and went back through the thread for some retrospective data.  Despite a few fluctuations along the way (I’d forgotten about the 4kg weight loss in a day or so from food poisoning back in March) I have been a fairly constant weight this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 01 June, 2011, 03:38:55 pm
81.7 kg today. That's getting on for a 10 kg loss  :)

I'd say I am eating very well indeed - just making more careful choices and totting up the intake as I go. 1850 Cal / day is not exactly arduous. I still get to do the odd chocolate low-grade pig-out.  

I'll re-adjust my target to 80 kg and I think that'll do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 01 June, 2011, 04:07:09 pm
81.7 kg today. That's getting on for a 10 kg loss  :)

I'd say I am eating very well indeed - just making more careful choices and totting up the intake as I go. 1850 Cal / day is not exactly arduous. I still get to do the odd chocolate low-grade pig-out.  

I'll re-adjust my target to 80 kg and I think that'll do.

 :thumbsup: Excellent effort there SP
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 01 June, 2011, 11:27:08 pm
I rewarded myself by allowing myself to be seen in public wearing my Assos 851 jacket. There's nothing quite like Assos for accentuating any non-essential rotundity.

Bloody great jacket that I've hardly worn lately.

I'm not quite ready to be seen in my (now ageing) Assos jersey though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 June, 2011, 11:06:11 am
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 03 June, 2011, 12:01:08 pm
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?


I don't think it's possible to be scrawny and have muscles.
Although I've lost a heap of weight I don't think I look thin or scrawny at the moment, in fact I'm not exactly sure which bit of me the weight has come off from  :-\
I don't really get what my weight is doing at the moment, I've done relatively few miles in the past 2 weeks as I rest my hand, eaten plenty (although mostly healthy stuff) and yet a decade low of 56.2kg this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 03 June, 2011, 12:13:39 pm
I haven't actually weighed myself for a while, but I'm eating everything in sight and I keep writing cheesecake on the shopping list, which is a sure sign of not getting enough calories onboard.

Although my mileage only has me around 20 or so on yacf BikeJournal, I do as much time skating again, and it seems much more effective than cycling at burning off weight, despite being at a lower intensity.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 June, 2011, 12:15:13 pm
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?


I don't think it's possible to be scrawny and have muscles.
Although I've lost a heap of weight I don't think I look thin or scrawny at the moment, in fact I'm not exactly sure which bit of me the weight has come off from  :-\
I don't really get what my weight is doing at the moment, I've done relatively few miles in the past 2 weeks as I rest my hand, eaten plenty (although mostly healthy stuff) and yet a decade low of 56.2kg this morning.

I'm not muscular.

It might be worth keeping a food diary (LiveStrong maybe?) to see if you really are eating enough for your activity levels.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 03 June, 2011, 12:20:16 pm
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?


Well, my BMI is 19, or thereabouts. Nobody has called me scrawny, at least not to my face. Only positive comments (BMI was over 26 a couple of years ago). Got my calorie balance pretty sorted - weight has been stable for a while, despite fluctuating distance ridden.

I don't think you look scrawny. Lean, yes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 June, 2011, 12:20:58 pm

Although my mileage only has me around 20 or so on yacf BikeJournal, I do as much time skating again, and it seems much more effective than cycling at burning off weight, despite being at a lower intensity.

Low intensity exertion is probably a better way of losing weight than high intensity exercise. Though fewer calories are burnt, the proportion of fat is higher and the blood sugar glycogen thing swings less, which does not stimulate TEH HUNGER so much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 03 June, 2011, 12:30:38 pm

Although my mileage only has me around 20 or so on yacf BikeJournal, I do as much time skating again, and it seems much more effective than cycling at burning off weight, despite being at a lower intensity.

Low intensity exertion is probably a better way of losing weight than high intensity exercise. Though fewer calories are burnt, the proportion of fat is higher and the blood sugar glycogen thing swings less, which does not stimulate TEH HUNGER so much.

It actually seems to depress hunger, weirdly!  The surprising thing to me is that all my cycling and skating is combined, so I wouldn't have expected such an effect (i.e. commute, skate, commute).

Oh, remember ages ago we were talking about why high intensity intervals don't affect my insulin sensitivity?  I found out more detail the other day:
Diabetes and Sport - Runsweet.com-Diabetes and Sport (http://runsweet.com/DiabetesAndSport.html)

This is the team that dealt with Steve Redgrave, and who I'm under the care of now.  Lucky me, they are a really superb group of people!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 June, 2011, 12:46:05 pm
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?


Well, my BMI is 19, or thereabouts. Nobody has called me scrawny, at least not to my face. Only positive comments (BMI was over 26 a couple of years ago). Got my calorie balance pretty sorted - weight has been stable for a while, despite fluctuating distance ridden.

I don't think you look scrawny. Lean, yes.

Riding fixed has changed some things. My weight is constant but my thighs are bigger/more defined. The question is: what's got smaller?

Edit: thighs are 58cm used to be 57cm. Back of fag packet calc suggests extra 0.5-1kg weigh there. Calves seem bigger too, not sure how much. Waist down from 34" to 32-33". Weight down from lifetime peak of 76kg to 70kg now. I think it's my arms that are scrawny not my legs. Thigh measurement is actually larger than average (good as it prevents CV disease). Calves were always a bit weedy but riding fixed is also helping with that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 June, 2011, 12:57:29 pm
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?


Well, my BMI is 19, or thereabouts. Nobody has called me scrawny, at least not to my face. Only positive comments (BMI was over 26 a couple of years ago). Got my calorie balance pretty sorted - weight has been stable for a while, despite fluctuating distance ridden.

I don't think you look scrawny. Lean, yes.

Riding fixed has changed some things. My weight is constant but my thighs are bigger/more defined. The question is: what's got smaller?

*snigger*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 03 June, 2011, 01:29:58 pm
Edit: thighs are 58cm used to be 57cm. Back of fag packet calc suggests extra 0.5-1kg weigh there. Calves seem bigger too, not sure how much. Waist down from 34" to 32-33". Weight down from lifetime peak of 76kg to 70kg now. I think it's my arms that are scrawny not my legs.

I am now imagining you looking something like this:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/smutchin/belleville.jpg)

 ;D

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 June, 2011, 01:35:40 pm
Have you met Giraffe?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 03 June, 2011, 01:39:31 pm
No, but I'm guessing his username is descriptive.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 03 June, 2011, 02:00:50 pm
I guess the answer to disproportionately building leg muscles is to do some non-cycling upper body strength exercises. When I used to go to the gym in the dim and distant past I tended to avoid those machines because I don't particularly want muscley arms. I just did the ones that toned abs. Having said that I don't want to get saggy bat wings as I get older either!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 June, 2011, 02:05:46 pm
I guess the answer to disproportionately building leg muscles is to do some non-cycling upper body strength exercises. When I used to go to the gym in the dim and distant past I tended to avoid those machines because I don't particularly want muscley arms. I just did the ones that toned abs. Having said that I don't want to get saggy bat wings as I get older either!

Bingo wings come from fat and loose skin.
You won't get them if you don't get a fat body, fat arms and then lose much weight. Your arms are too slender and are unlikely to blow out unless you do massively..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 June, 2011, 02:06:52 pm
The last time I went to the gym and did upper body work was nearly 4 weeks ago. I think I rowed 700km in the last season, and routinely swimming 1-2km per week. Plus my abs + core routine I've been doing.

All of that has been on hold since the wrist injury.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 03 June, 2011, 02:14:37 pm
The last time I went to the gym and did upper body work was nearly 4 weeks ago. I think I rowed 700km in the last season, and routinely swimming 1-2km per week. Plus my abs + core routine I've been doing.

All of that has been on hold since the wrist injury.

To make the muscles bigger you would probably need to do the bench press type stuff, but this would be a distinctly BAD IDEA just at the moment until your wrist gets better.

Having said that, does it matter if you don't conform to the sterotypical captain caveman body shape? If your body can do everything you ask of it then that's got to be the most important thing. Mine is generally doing what it's told at the moment, except that I cannot open tins. I might have to invest in an electric tin opener. I had to add a large pair of mole grips to the opener to get the leverage yesterday  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 June, 2011, 04:16:32 pm
The last time I went to the gym and did upper body work was nearly 4 weeks ago. I think I rowed 700km in the last season, and routinely swimming 1-2km per week. Plus my abs + core routine I've been doing.

All of that has been on hold since the wrist injury.

To make the muscles bigger you would probably need to do the bench press type stuff, but this would be a distinctly BAD IDEA just at the moment until your wrist gets better.

Having said that, does it matter if you don't conform to the sterotypical captain caveman body shape?

Well, that's not really the target.  Well-toned is more of the goal.  Skinny arms on flabby torso =  :sick:

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Mine is generally doing what it's told at the moment, except that I cannot open tins. I might have to invest in an electric tin opener. I had to add a large pair of mole grips to the opener to get the leverage yesterday  :facepalm:

Is your median nerve function improving at all?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 03 June, 2011, 10:17:25 pm
The last time I went to the gym and did upper body work was nearly 4 weeks ago. I think I rowed 700km in the last season, and routinely swimming 1-2km per week. Plus my abs + core routine I've been doing.

All of that has been on hold since the wrist injury.

To make the muscles bigger you would probably need to do the bench press type stuff, but this would be a distinctly BAD IDEA just at the moment until your wrist gets better.

Having said that, does it matter if you don't conform to the sterotypical captain caveman body shape?

Well, that's not really the target.  Well-toned is more of the goal.  Skinny arms on flabby torso =  :sick:

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Mine is generally doing what it's told at the moment, except that I cannot open tins. I might have to invest in an electric tin opener. I had to add a large pair of mole grips to the opener to get the leverage yesterday  :facepalm:

Is your median nerve function improving at all?


TBH I'm not sure if it's just the median or the ulnar as well. I can't do any twisting movement though. I have to reach over and start my car with my right hand. I have found a way round this to operate my shifters which I can do on a 600 if it comes to it. I can change to a higher gear with a single click but can't do a double still. I have kinda written off the nerve function and know I could ride PBP without it though  ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 June, 2011, 10:40:32 pm


 Mine is generally doing what it's told at the moment, except that I cannot open tins. I might have to invest in an electric tin opener. I had to add a large pair of mole grips to the opener to get the leverage yesterday  :facepalm:

TBH I'm not sure if it's just the median or the ulnar as well. I can't do any twisting movement though. I have to reach over and start my car with my right hand. I have found a way round this to operate my shifters which I can do on a 600 if it comes to it. I can change to a higher gear with a single click but can't do a double still. I have kinda written off the nerve function and know I could ride PBP without it though  ???

Twisting movements are innervated way above the wrist.
If you're having problems with this, the damage is to the nerve or muscle much higher up.

It might be worth seeking professional help about this soon.  The biceps muscle is one of the most powerful supinator muscles; is your problem pain or inability to twist?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 03 June, 2011, 10:47:59 pm


 Mine is generally doing what it's told at the moment, except that I cannot open tins. I might have to invest in an electric tin opener. I had to add a large pair of mole grips to the opener to get the leverage yesterday  :facepalm:

TBH I'm not sure if it's just the median or the ulnar as well. I can't do any twisting movement though. I have to reach over and start my car with my right hand. I have found a way round this to operate my shifters which I can do on a 600 if it comes to it. I can change to a higher gear with a single click but can't do a double still. I have kinda written off the nerve function and know I could ride PBP without it though  ???

Twisting movements are innervated way above the wrist.
If you're having problems with this, the damage is to the nerve or muscle much higher up.

It might be worth seeking professional help about this soon.  The biceps muscle is one of the most powerful supinator muscles; is your problem pain or inability to twist?

It doesn't actually hurt at all. I just have a complete inability to twist at all. Today I triecd to clean the bathroom and couldn't open the childproof bleach, I had to ask my daughter to do it for me  ;D Applying pressure and then twisting is impossible.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 June, 2011, 12:37:04 am
Went to the gym. Wrist ok with rowing machine press ups and swimming.

Very tired now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Baggy on 04 June, 2011, 01:25:50 pm
Bingo wings come from fat and loose skin.
You won't get them if you don't get a fat body, fat arms and then lose much weight.
Damn! I'm doomed. Mind you, in my family bingo wings do seem to be born, not made...

I've recently managed to lose a stone by upping the mileage and keeping an eye on food intake but have got well and truly stuck and nothing else is shifting.  guess it's time to up the mileage again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 05 June, 2011, 01:25:46 am
It doesn't actually hurt at all. I just have a complete inability to twist at all. Today I triecd to clean the bathroom and couldn't open the childproof bleach, I had to ask my daughter to do it for me  ;D Applying pressure and then twisting is impossible.

i've given this to read to mrs z who among other things is a hand surgery registrar, and here is her opinion:

"Hi there.

Judging by the mechanism of injury, you shouldn't have damaged any of your wrist suppinators/flexors/extensors or any nerves that supply them.

You have squashed your median nerve - hence the tingling in the thumb, index and middle fingers (this is the sensory part of this nerve, the ring and little fingers are supplied by the ulnar nerve, which also often gets injured while cycling). The condition is called neuropraxia - essentially means bruising and swelling of the nerve, which can persist for weeks to months and generally a complete recovery is expected, provided the causative element is eliminated.

The median nerve (as well as ulnar nerve) also gives out a motor branch (called recurrent branch of the median n.) just distal to/within  the carpal tunnel which supplies the muscles of  thenar eminence. Those are responsible for opposition/flexion and partially abduction of the thumb in relation to other digits. So squashing this branch would explain the weakness in not being able to grip or  twist things (essentially - most of small movements of the hand). The motor nerves take longer to recover and might on occasions leave some residual weakness, in severe cases leading to thenar eminence wasting (in a very advanced stage though). I suspect you may also have compressed your ulnar nerve, which would explain weak adduction of the thumb as in gripping things with your thumb and index finger, however you only mentioned sensory loss in the median n distribution, so this is doubtful.

If you still have persistent weakness of the small movements of your hand, I would strongly recommend not to take any longer rides until completely recovered as it is very likely to make it worse and may result in permanent damage, will also lead to developing carpal tunnel syndrome in the long run.

Get well soon!"


maybe this post should be moved to the original "wrist problem" thread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 June, 2011, 06:47:18 am
"Hi there.

...obvious n+1 opportunity... recumbent.... fast one... medical justification... speak to Kevin at Dtek asap.... those bachettas look fast....

Get well soon!"

Every cloud.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 05 June, 2011, 06:56:24 am
It doesn't actually hurt at all. I just have a complete inability to twist at all. Today I triecd to clean the bathroom and couldn't open the childproof bleach, I had to ask my daughter to do it for me  ;D Applying pressure and then twisting is impossible.

i've given this to read to mrs z who among other things is a hand surgery registrar, and here is her opinion:

"Hi there.

Judging by the mechanism of injury, you shouldn't have damaged any of your wrist suppinators/flexors/extensors or any nerves that supply them.

You have squashed your median nerve - hence the tingling in the thumb, index and middle fingers (this is the sensory part of this nerve, the ring and little fingers are supplied by the ulnar nerve, which also often gets injured while cycling). The condition is called neuropraxia - essentially means bruising and swelling of the nerve, which can persist for weeks to months and generally a complete recovery is expected, provided the causative element is eliminated.

The median nerve (as well as ulnar nerve) also gives out a motor branch (called recurrent branch of the median n.) just distal to/within  the carpal tunnel which supplies the muscles of  thenar eminence. Those are responsible for opposition/flexion and partially abduction of the thumb in relation to other digits. So squashing this branch would explain the weakness in not being able to grip or  twist things (essentially - most of small movements of the hand). The motor nerves take longer to recover and might on occasions leave some residual weakness, in severe cases leading to thenar eminence wasting (in a very advanced stage though). I suspect you may also have compressed your ulnar nerve, which would explain weak adduction of the thumb as in gripping things with your thumb and index finger, however you only mentioned sensory loss in the median n distribution, so this is doubtful.

If you still have persistent weakness of the small movements of your hand, I would strongly recommend not to take any longer rides until completely recovered as it is very likely to make it worse and may result in permanent damage, will also lead to developing carpal tunnel syndrome in the long run.

Get well soon!"


maybe this post should be moved to the original "wrist problem" thread.

Thanks Z and Mrs Z for this. Sounds like that's what I have done. Avoiding longer rides could be a real problem ... my 600 is next weekend and then there's that little ride in France I'm planning!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 05 June, 2011, 07:29:00 am
Thanks Z and Mrs Z for this. Sounds like that's what I have done. Avoiding longer rides could be a real problem ... my 600 is next weekend and then there's that little ride in France I'm planning!

There is no mention of any steps you have taken to ease the problem while riding. Different mitts have more gel in than others. I use Specialized mitts and have a double layer of gel that came with Fizik bar tape to stop this. You can also get bars with flat tops see
   Wiggle | FSA Wing Pro Compact Road Handlebar Road Handlebars
 (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/fsa-wing-pro-compact-road-handlebar/)

By the sounds to this you need to take some action.

Also consider your position on the bike. Do you find your shoulders getting stressed on long rides? Could be a result of too much pressure on the hands. Longer term a saddle position change. I had a friend who complained of this and his saddle tilted nose down. He dropped is saddle a little and this allowed him to have a flat saddle and hey presto his hand numbness stopped.

Hope you dins a solution soon.


BB
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 June, 2011, 08:01:14 am
I was getting numb hands after just 30km. Switched to Spesh BG gel gloves, dropped the saddle slightly and moved the saddle back. Eventually got a layback post (brooks short rails were an issue for me). No numb hands at all now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 June, 2011, 08:48:55 am
It doesn't actually hurt at all. I just have a complete inability to twist at all. Today I triecd to clean the bathroom and couldn't open the childproof bleach, I had to ask my daughter to do it for me  ;D Applying pressure and then twisting is impossible.

i've given this to read to mrs z who among other things is a hand surgery registrar, and here is her opinion:

"Hi there.

...

If you still have persistent weakness of the small movements of your hand, I would strongly recommend not to take any longer rides until completely recovered as it is very likely to make it worse and may result in permanent damage, will also lead to developing carpal tunnel syndrome in the long run.

Get well soon!"


maybe this post should be moved to the original "wrist problem" thread.

Thanks Z and Mrs Z for this. Sounds like that's what I have done. Avoiding longer rides could be a real problem ... my 600 is next weekend and then there's that little ride in France I'm planning!

I hope that whatever decision you take, it's the right one. GWS.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 June, 2011, 01:28:17 pm
I don't disagree with any part of mrs z's response but I still see no explanation as to why Feline can't open jars or twist her wrist. Everything else is improving. These are forearm, not hand/wrist problems.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 June, 2011, 06:46:32 pm
My weight is below 70kg again and this tends to be the point where I stop feeling flabby.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 05 June, 2011, 07:31:00 pm
Another 1lb off this week - not a huge loss but I was pleasantly surprised, given that I ate and drak far too much last weekend, when we were down at Jon's aunt's...

I'm now over 3 stone off - and in the last 18 weeks I've only put on or stayed the same twice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 05 June, 2011, 08:33:11 pm
Thanks Z and Mrs Z for this. Sounds like that's what I have done. Avoiding longer rides could be a real problem ... my 600 is next weekend and then there's that little ride in France I'm planning!

There is no mention of any steps you have taken to ease the problem while riding. Different mitts have more gel in than others. I use Specialized mitts and have a double layer of gel that came with Fizik bar tape to stop this. You can also get bars with flat tops see
   Wiggle | FSA Wing Pro Compact Road Handlebar Road Handlebars
 (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/fsa-wing-pro-compact-road-handlebar/)

By the sounds to this you need to take some action.

Also consider your position on the bike. Do you find your shoulders getting stressed on long rides? Could be a result of too much pressure on the hands. Longer term a saddle position change. I had a friend who complained of this and his saddle tilted nose down. He dropped is saddle a little and this allowed him to have a flat saddle and hey presto his hand numbness stopped.

Hope you dins a solution soon.


BB

BB, I have made several adjustments since the injury happened, although it happened because on my 300 I had to descend a long way in torrential rain with only a front brake a few weeks back (I had a mechanical problem) so the stresses that caused it are not reproduced in normal riding. I have moved the hoods up towards me, altered the angle of the bars, slightly dropped the stem and moved the saddle slightly back since. I already have Specialised Bar Phat tape with gel pads under it and Spesh BG gel mitts. I've ridden a 400k among other rides since without making it any worse, but it's just taking ages to get better. The pins and needles and numbness got better fairly fast but the motor functions are lagging behind.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasmine on 08 June, 2011, 02:38:52 pm
Feline - I think you also need to ask yourself how much it bothers you.  The loss of movement is more of a PITA than the sensation I imagine.

Personally, I frequently lose sensation in my hands through nerve compression & banging my elbows etc.  People find the paper cup test amusing - I can't hold a paper cup properly unless I'm looking at it because I have no idea if I have hold of it; too little pressure and I'll drop it, but too much and I crush it. If I'm looking at it, it's fine.

At the moment, I have pins & needles down my entire right arm (shoulder to fingers) following an RTA (3 weeks ago).  It doesn't bother me too much as it doesn't actually hurt, it's just weird.  I've got reasonable movement, so I'm not worried unless it persists for a longer time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 08 June, 2011, 05:03:17 pm
Feline - I think you also need to ask yourself how much it bothers you.  The loss of movement is more of a PITA than the sensation I imagine.

Personally, I frequently lose sensation in my hands through nerve compression & banging my elbows etc.  People find the paper cup test amusing - I can't hold a paper cup properly unless I'm looking at it because I have no idea if I have hold of it; too little pressure and I'll drop it, but too much and I crush it. If I'm looking at it, it's fine.

At the moment, I have pins & needles down my entire right arm (shoulder to fingers) following an RTA (3 weeks ago).  It doesn't bother me too much as it doesn't actually hurt, it's just weird.  I've got reasonable movement, so I'm not worried unless it persists for a longer time.

Thanks, and I hope your arm recovers quickly Jasmine!
The lack of motor function is really annoying when I try to do certain things, but there's usually a way around it so I'm less bothered than if I had some painful knee injury or similar that actually forced me off the bike. I'm not wanting to give up my PBP plans for something that I can potentially carry on with, so I'm trying to strike a balance between resting it and doing what I need to do. If I make it hideously worse on my 600 I could live to regret this, but c'est la vie!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 08 June, 2011, 08:06:00 pm
in the last 18 weeks I've only put on or stayed the same twice.

Very consistent. I gained for the first time since starting this  >:( 0.4 kg up. No mystery to it - the control slipped and there were a couple of days when I ate well over my limit.

I'm going to try a run for the first time in ages - I reckon a little bit of intensity will help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 June, 2011, 06:17:37 pm
in the last 18 weeks I've only put on or stayed the same twice.

Very consistent. I gained for the first time since starting this  >:( 0.4 kg up. No mystery to it - the control slipped and there were a couple of days when I ate well over my limit.


Looking at the graphs you're doing incredibly well TBH.

I've dropped 3kg over the last couple of weeks - repeatedly forgetting to eat works pretty well.  I've reached my PBP target weight now, which is also the weight at which my body starts insisting that it needs food, so I'll probably stop dropping.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 09 June, 2011, 06:25:27 pm
in the last 18 weeks I've only put on or stayed the same twice.

Very consistent. I gained for the first time since starting this  >:( 0.4 kg up. No mystery to it - the control slipped and there were a couple of days when I ate well over my limit.


Looking at the graphs you're doing incredibly well TBH.

I've dropped 3kg over the last couple of weeks - repeatedly forgetting to eat works pretty well.  I've reached my PBP target weight now, which is also the weight at which my body starts insisting that it needs food, so I'll probably stop dropping.


What on earth could you be doing that is making you forget to eat?  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 10 June, 2011, 04:33:39 pm
Looking at the graphs you're doing incredibly well TBH.

Thanks. I think I've done the easy bit and the next couple of kg is going to be much harder. In any case I suspect that I am not far off my natural sustainable weight. However, I do want to get to 80 kg - advice appreciated:

What I've done so far, using http://www.myfitnesspal.com/ (http://www.myfitnesspal.com/), is to eat to the limit that it calculates for me. For that calculation I've erred on the side of caution and put myself as "lightly active" although I suspect I meet the criteria for "moderately active". That gives me a limit of 1860 calories a day to lose 0.5 kg / week. You are meant to enter any exercise that is done - in my case, that would be at least 60 minutes of cycling a day as a daily base. I was not sure if my commute really used up the 500 Cal / hour that the yACF massive suggest is appropriate, so I have not been counting that at all. So I eat the 1860 regardless of any exercise I do. That's presumably why I have lost a fair bit more than 0.5 kg / week. Now that I have lost the bulk of what I want to get rid of, I am finding myself getting really hungry in the evening and thus being tempted in the direction of snackage.
Would I be better at this stage to include calories expended due to exercise, thus giving myself a bit more leeway? I also think I am losing a bit of muscle mass despite a pretty good protein intake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 June, 2011, 02:43:39 pm
I counted my commute as estimated on Livestrong and it wasn't stopping me losing weight. In fact I was counting a lot more distance than my commute.

I would experiment with counting them an see what happens. You have found you are getting hungry which IMO shows that now you've lost a fair bit of fat and your body is starting to notice. You don't need to lose weight at the rate you have been so don't try to maintain it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 11 June, 2011, 02:47:58 pm
I'm back on the weight loss gain.  Zone 2 training - religiously so as to burn fat.  Face is already looking more gaunt, just gotta encourage the Michelin ring fat to go then I'll be okay.
Down to 85 kgs.
Wiggins is 10cm taller and at 72kgs - so that is something to aim for  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 11 June, 2011, 10:00:44 pm
Wiggins is 10cm taller and at 72kgs - so that is something to aim for  ;D

How are you planning to get taller?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 12 June, 2011, 09:30:39 am
That is the flaw in my cunning plan  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 12 June, 2011, 09:22:29 pm
I counted my commute as estimated on Livestrong and it wasn't stopping me losing weight. In fact I was counting a lot more distance than my commute.

I would experiment with counting them an see what happens. You have found you are getting hungry which IMO shows that now you've lost a fair bit of fat and your body is starting to notice. You don't need to lose weight at the rate you have been so don't try to maintain it.

Thanks Simon. I think that in addition to keeping to a (slightly) limited calorie intake I'm having a major adjustment to my eating habits in general. So I suspect that those evenings when I am really hungry are as much to do with the timings of my meals and what I'm having, as much as the calorie content. But yes, I think I'll start to include commutes unless they are very pootly. Fast-ish commutes on fixed wheel will get counted.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 13 June, 2011, 03:42:20 pm
Alcohol related, but it's one of the big factors in my increased weight.

For the first time in a long time (6 months+) my last 7 days booze intake is below the 28 units a week recommended "maximum".

Tue: 4.2 units
Wed: 5.1 units
Thu: 1.7 units
Fri: 1.7 units
Sat: 0 units
Sun: 0 units
Mon: 0 units

That's also, I think, the first time since LEL (July 2009) that I've had three days in a row with no booze.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 13 June, 2011, 05:18:29 pm
My weight has dipped to below 90kg for the first time since before last Xmas :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 13 June, 2011, 05:34:11 pm
Skinny bugger!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 13 June, 2011, 05:57:53 pm
Nowhere near that staus yet but I'm working on it.I doubt however that I'll ever get near to the 65kg I was at the time I stopped smoking.
The blokes I used to scuba-dive with refer to me as the "fuller-flavour version" ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 13 June, 2011, 07:20:29 pm
Early weigh-in for me this week as I won't be near trustworthy scales on Wednesday: 80.15 kg  :) which, if I take last week as some sort of blip, fits ok with the overall trend. That was just after a couple of glasses of water too. It's also fits with the fact that I found myself looking for a non-existent new hole in my belt this morning. That over 10% of my starting weight gone - or 13% of my current weight.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 15 June, 2011, 02:10:53 pm
My weight has dipped to below 90kg for the first time since before last Xmas :)

However,in an Assos XL jacket I still do a good impression of a Zeppelin inna condom :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 15 June, 2011, 05:16:57 pm
first time this year the weight dropped below 66kg (target 65). feels good!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 June, 2011, 07:29:06 pm
My target is 68kg.  Last two weeks I’ve been at that weight on wednesday.  I actually went as low as 66.7 at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 15 June, 2011, 08:33:46 pm
My target is 68kg.  Last two weeks I’ve been at that weight on wednesday.  I actually went as low as 66.7 at the weekend.


Did you get lots of exercise at the weekend?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 June, 2011, 09:15:12 pm
My target is 68kg.  Last two weeks I’ve been at that weight on wednesday.  I actually went as low as 66.7 at the weekend.


Did you get lots of exercise at the weekend?

 O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 16 June, 2011, 09:59:15 am
Up 3kg! Jeeze, I must have eaten like a bastard on that 600km. Boab - your cake is dangerous!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 June, 2011, 12:28:56 pm
Up 3kg! Jeeze, I must have eaten like a bastard on that 600km. Boab - your cake is dangerous!

I've explained before why and how this happens; you'll probably lose 2kg over the next fortnight with little/no effort. Fret not!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 16 June, 2011, 01:53:32 pm
you'll probably lose 2kg over the next fortnight with little/no effort. Fret not!

Oh - I do want to believe you Helly, believe me I do. However 2 days of inattention/losing it and pigging out and I can put on 1.5 to 2kg. This will take me 2 months to shift. Its easy when I'm way above my target weight, but the closer I get, the longer it seems to take.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 June, 2011, 02:17:51 pm
Up 3kg! Jeeze, I must have eaten like a bastard on that 600km. Boab - your cake is dangerous!

2 things:

Never Trust A Thin Cook
&
I can make those anytime. I'm out of work, so I do....

(Am back on the cake-free wagon. 10kg in 67 days? No problem :facepalm:)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 16 June, 2011, 02:23:32 pm
I've explained before why and how this happens; you'll probably lose 2kg over the next fortnight with little/no effort. Fret not!

Ooh, link please.

@boab - If I could cook cakes like yours, I'd put on 10kg in 67 days. Fortunately, my culinary expertise is limited to making omlettes and heating things up in the oven. Oh, and pouring soya milk on oats.

Right now, my mouth is actually watering as I visualise the box of cakes on top of Chris' car at Swaffham. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 June, 2011, 02:26:55 pm
you'll probably lose 2kg over the next fortnight with little/no effort. Fret not!

Oh - I do want to believe you Helly, believe me I do. However 2 days of inattention/losing it and pigging out and I can put on 1.5 to 2kg. This will take me 2 months to shift. Its easy when I'm way above my target weight, but the closer I get, the longer it seems to take.

Yebbut Dr Mekon is pin thin and has just done a 600 and eaten CAEK. CAEK is good for restocking glycogen, which holds about 1.5 kg water and muscles swell after long/hard rides and take on even more water. This water will escape soon.

3kg body fat is around 25,000 kcal. It takes a while to eat that (10 days' normal manfood) and a very long while  to build up a true caloric deficit of that size.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 16 June, 2011, 02:48:27 pm
you'll probably lose 2kg over the next fortnight with little/no effort. Fret not!

Oh - I do want to believe you Helly, believe me I do. However 2 days of inattention/losing it and pigging out and I can put on 1.5 to 2kg. This will take me 2 months to shift. Its easy when I'm way above my target weight, but the closer I get, the longer it seems to take.

Yebbut Dr Mekon is pin thin and has just done a 600 and eaten CAEK. CAEK is good for restocking glycogen, which holds about 1.5 kg water and muscles swell after long/hard rides and take on even more water. This water will escape soon.

3kg body fat is around 25,000 kcal. It takes a while to eat that (10 days' normal manfood) and a very long while  to build up a true caloric deficit of that size.

I guess this explains why I'm still a kg up after the weekend. I did eat sit down meals in nice cafes all over the counties of Norfolk and Suffolk though! The Wells fresh crab was awesome  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 June, 2011, 02:55:27 pm
I don't think there are many calories in crab meat so don't beat yourself up! Just enjoy Audax eating - the 8am Solero after cycling all night, anything & everything from Tracy and El Supremo, fresh crabs at Wells. Life is for living!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 16 June, 2011, 03:17:32 pm
My weight seems to have hit a plateau, but I am doing my first 200km ride for two years next week and I am hoping that it will help me get under the magic 90kg mark.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 June, 2011, 04:04:49 pm
DrMekon - you're up to almost as fat as me you bloater!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 16 June, 2011, 11:55:51 pm
I'm big boned! It's water retention! Aunt Flo is visiting!  :'(

 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 22 June, 2011, 08:31:50 pm
81.1 kg. Suspect that is as light as my body wants to be.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 22 June, 2011, 08:43:36 pm
Ahh oops. 55.8kg.
Maybe I'm dehydrated  O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 23 June, 2011, 03:34:28 pm
Have now managed to get down to 90kg :thumbsup:Its making a big difference to my cycling and I've treated myself to some new bib shorts as a reward.The main thing I have done is switched from processed food to self prepared.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 23 June, 2011, 04:53:34 pm
Congrats Jacob :thumbsup:
90kg is my next target.I got there a couple of weeks ago but it's crept back up to 91.5 atm..
It's the advantage of having a better half who is a Kitchen Godess :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 23 June, 2011, 05:01:24 pm
I’m pretty much back to exactly the same weight I was back when I started training for the 2007 Etape (i.e. far too bloody fat).

Less cycling and poor diet/drinking control has meant that I’m finally back to where I started some years back.

Oh dear.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 25 June, 2011, 12:28:58 pm
next week will be interesting. eight days of eating and drinking non stop and no cycling could alter my weight to post-xmas levels. any tips how to stay decent food-wise during all-inclusive holiday?..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bigsybaby on 25 June, 2011, 03:31:32 pm
I am trying to lose weight as I currently weigh 108kg. This takes a lot of hauling around on a bike and tends to make me Lantern Rouge on 600's. I am now working out every day on the turbo trainer following a very specific programme. Unfortunately, when I finish on the turbo and start to make dinner, I feel so well I cant help opening a bottle of wine. Unfortunately the trap is, once I have opened the bottle I tend to prefer finishing it. The calories from the wine about wipes out the calories lost on the turbo.
Fortunately, my cellar is now about empty of every day wine so I will have to go without. I am looking forward to losing the weight. I dont want to take it to Paris.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 25 June, 2011, 03:55:44 pm
next week will be interesting. eight days of eating and drinking non stop and no cycling could alter my weight to post-xmas levels. any tips how to stay decent food-wise during all-inclusive holiday?..

Mindless Eating (http://mindlesseating.org/)

His book is amazing - I say that as a researcher on health habits, with papers on deitary behaviour. However, he's so accessible and practical, my secretaries are reading it. My hunch is he'd say something like

Stick to low calorie density foods
Avoid too much variety in the same meal (plan your meals)
Don't graze (stick to regular mealtimes)
Use the smallest plates they have

Still, it's going to be a tough environment to eat mindfully in. Knowing that is half the battle - consider what you are putting on your plate, and be content not to try everything.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 June, 2011, 03:57:25 pm
next week will be interesting. eight days of eating and drinking non stop and no cycling could alter my weight to post-xmas levels. any tips how to stay decent food-wise during all-inclusive holiday?..

Accept you will not lose weight and try not to gain too much. Some gain is inevitable but temporary if you do not pig out totally.

Adopt the strategy of HM Queen Elizabeth: sample everything you fancy in small quantities and LEAVE THE REST!

Do not eat anything you do not enjoy. Do not be scared of leaving food; almost everyone does after a few days' pigging. Just leave food from day one. Never eat when you're full; it's not pleasurable anyway.

Drink modestly: one or two glasses of wine per meal.

Enjoy your food, not feeling stuffed!

PS You will enjoy your food much more if you do something to work up an appetite before you eat...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 26 June, 2011, 02:11:55 pm
excellent advice hellymedic and DrMekon!! i'll try to find willpower to stick to some of them and hopefully do some excercise - jogging, swimming, hiking etc. i'll update how i got on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 June, 2011, 02:37:51 pm
Remember, the weight you gain when you 'break your diet' is mostly not fat; it's 'fluid' and glycogen. It's the same stuff that peeled off very quickly when you started dieting. It's 'easy come, easy go' weight. So long as you don't get disheartened and resume unhealthy (over) eating habits on your return, you will not have gained more than a pound or two of actual fat on your holiday.
If you are really strong-willed, I'd suggest you do not weigh yourself until about ten days after your return, by which time you should be eating sensibly again., and should have shed most of the temporary holiday gain.
This is much easier said than done...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 30 June, 2011, 05:05:29 pm
81.1 kg. Suspect that is as light as my body wants to be.

80.8 kg. That's a relief as I thought I was gaining a bit and I've been a bit slack on the chocolate consumption front. However, I'm still counting everything.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 05 July, 2011, 04:26:26 pm
This is much easier said than done...

indeed.. came back 5.2kg heavier after 8 days. never weighed so much in my life! ;D well, july will be a tough month
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 July, 2011, 05:51:02 pm
This is much easier said than done...

indeed.. came back 5.2kg heavier after 8 days. never weighed so much in my life! ;D well, july will be a tough month
If you are halfway sensible, you'll lose 4kg within the next fortnight.
Good Luck!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 July, 2011, 11:03:43 pm
This is much easier said than done...

indeed.. came back 5.2kg heavier after 8 days. never weighed so much in my life! ;D well, july will be a tough month

When you tire of endurance riding, a career in endurance eating awaits!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 07 July, 2011, 11:53:10 am
I've reached a plateau (roughly the same weight the last month and a bit), but still 4kg above where I wanted to be by August.  As this was initially a PBP oriented target and I'm no longer doing PBP, I shouldn't be too concerned, but I'd still like to get to my target.  Perhaps I can do it by the end of August.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 July, 2011, 11:56:14 am
I am back to 71.8kg this week.  That bloody pizza on Tuesday was a mistake.  :P

Body fat slightly down though.  So it's not all bad.  14.8% body fat isn't too bad for a 39yo.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 07 July, 2011, 12:06:04 pm
LOL!  My mate, another skating instructor, has been putting on weight recently.  Why?  He goes to Dominos and gets BOGOF pizza plus a pudding and eats the lot.  Oh, and eats a Waitrose NYC cheesecake.  A whole one.  I thought I was being a bit of a pig by eating a third of one per sitting once or twice a day.  Still, we burn off a lot of calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 07 July, 2011, 04:01:47 pm
I've lost a lot of weight over the last few months.104kg down to 87.5kg,which is good of course,but over the last couple of weeks or so,have hit the bonk twice and have felt a bit tired.Is it possible that weight loss can weaken us?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 July, 2011, 04:16:57 pm
I've lost a lot of weight over the last few months.104kg down to 87.5kg,which is good of course,but over the last couple of weeks or so,have hit the bonk twice and have felt a bit tired.Is it possible that weight loss can weaken us?

If you are losing weight, you will have fewer 'rapid access' energy reserves. You may hit the bonk more easily.. Your weight loss is impressive, well done! Rapid access reserves include glycogen and recently-eaten fat.

To avoid the bonk, either exercise less intensely or 'carb up' before prolongued exertion. If you do the latter, you can expect a substantial weight gain, because glycogen attracts water.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 July, 2011, 11:52:51 am
So I've just posted my lightest weight for a long time - 94.2kg.  It's just over 3kg below my starting weight this year, which isn't great, but it is below my first target (which was also my target last year).

It's a bit of a surprise, given that we didn't do much riding on Sunday, I've been a bit crap with eating this week, and had two curries yesterday :-\

But I hope it's a sign of progress.  It puts me a secure 20kg below when I started cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 13 July, 2011, 12:00:42 pm
As usual I did well in the spring and badly in the summer.

New target is 82kg for PBP in late August, currently 83.8 should be doable
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 13 July, 2011, 01:48:09 pm
I've finally cracked the 80 kg barrier (79.5 kg).

Interestingly, that has happened despite increasing my calorie intake allowance by changing my baseline activity level - limit is now a fairly generous 2100 Cal / day. The addition of a short run 3 x per week has done it, I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bigsybaby on 13 July, 2011, 01:52:59 pm
With the training "Preparing for an event" I am doing at the moment my weight is oscillating around 110kg which is 10kg more than I want to be.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 13 July, 2011, 02:05:46 pm
My weight seems to have stabilised, hovering around the 56kg mark. I will try to keep it there until PBP I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 16 July, 2011, 06:51:25 pm
Weighed myself yesterday, first time since boxing day when I spun the scales round to an embarrassing 18 stone 2 pounds. Yesterday fully clothed with shoes, jeans etc I weighed in at 15 stone 7 pounds (Not sure what that is in mickey mouse metric) which is still obese  :-\

Fairly happy with that, although I must admit I didn't think I'd lost quite as much as that as most of my clothes still seem to fit  ???

Ideally I'd like to reach 13 stone but I've never been that light even when I was quite fit/active and eating a reasonable diet, I might be able to get there but it's the maintaining it that I don't think I'll manage. Next goal is 14 stone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonyh on 16 July, 2011, 06:55:30 pm
Fairly happy with that

So you should be! Congrats!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 16 July, 2011, 07:42:37 pm
It's that ride up Tan Hill wotdunit Doosh.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 16 July, 2011, 09:05:52 pm
Probably!

According to the BMI wotsit I need to be 11 stone 8 just to be classed as "average" weight for my height, that's insane! I couldn't make under 12 stone with a severe case of famine/Delhi belly, never mind healthily maintaining that weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 16 July, 2011, 09:57:54 pm
BMI
bloody misleading information ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 17 July, 2011, 09:19:35 am
You'd perhaps like to think BMI is wrong/misleading/otherwise, but it's mostly completely right.  We just love to eat too much, and with the super abundance of rich foods, it's very hard to fight that urge.

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/24/132745785/how-western-diets-are-making-the-world-sick

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: AndyK on 17 July, 2011, 09:30:08 am
I've finally cracked the 80 kg barrier (79.5 kg).

Interestingly, that has happened despite increasing my calorie intake allowance by changing my baseline activity level - limit is now a fairly generous 2100 Cal / day. The addition of a short run 3 x per week has done it, I think.

I'm not surprised you lost the weight! The recommended calorie intake to remain the same weight - for a male doing zero exercise - is approx. 2400Kcal per day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: welshwheels on 17 July, 2011, 09:45:39 am
http://mindlesseating.org/images/cartoons/EatWithEyes-ME2006-Wansink-Cartoon.jpg  hi over the last year i have become this guy no matter what i try i can not seem to get in to a healthy eating habit  :facepalm: part of the problem I think is that when we were growing up I have 2 brothers that are over weight  :facepalm: We were draggedbrought up on junk food as my father worked away all week and my mother was an alcoholic . The only exercise i enjoy is cycling and the commute to work has help me keep the cycling fire burning  so here I am 30 1/2 years old 18 stone 6 pounds 6"2 I do not look fat if that is any help . I have signed up to do a tandem skydive next year and need to be under 15 stone !! My partner has said that if I am going to lose the weight why do I not try and have a good year on the bike as I will have lost over 3 stone !! so this is day one I do not have a clue what to eat but I do know how to ride  :thumbsup: so I have upped the mileage on the bike .I just need some pointers on what to eat .thanks in advance stuart .
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 17 July, 2011, 05:22:47 pm
You'd perhaps like to think BMI is wrong/misleading/otherwise, but it's mostly completely right.

Whilst I agree we eat too much, and of the wrong stuff, BMI is a bit misleading because muscle weighs more than fat. I think the entire England rugby team are classed as "obese" and yet they're built like brick shit houses!


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 17 July, 2011, 05:45:48 pm
It might be misleading in exceptional cases, but I've yet to see real life exceptional cases whom we know complaining about BMI.  Everyone else does actually have a problem.  Is that fair?

I'm not casting stones, btw.  I'm in the same boat come autumn and winter, and often put on far too much weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 17 July, 2011, 06:19:32 pm
Everyone else does actually have a problem.  Is that fair?

Maybe. But there are plenty of people I know whom I consume way fewer calories than per day who are as thin as a rake, so something somewhere doesn't add up, especially when you consider the lack of exercise they take compared to me.

I've no problem with the BMI scale in theory, but it's like everything else that uses an average, a loose guide at best. There's very little left for me to cut out of my diet and yet I still struggle to keep the weight off so it can't simply be about a one-size-fits-all* scale.

* sorry for the pun!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 17 July, 2011, 06:26:30 pm
Do you weigh and record everything you eat, and have you compared that to the others you're referring to?  Forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about not being able to cut out more from your diet.  If you can't keep the weight off, then you can almost certainly eat less and lose more weight.  The tough part is that you may not wish to suffer that much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: AndyK on 17 July, 2011, 06:26:55 pm
  Everyone else does actually have a problem.  Is that fair?



Life isn't fair.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: AndyK on 17 July, 2011, 06:28:06 pm
Do you weigh and record everything you eat, and have you compared that to the others you're referring to? 

I do, and have been doing so for two years. The calorie counter, scales, and calculator are permanent fixtures on my kitchen worktop.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 17 July, 2011, 06:33:22 pm
I do, and have been doing so for two years. The calorie counter, scales, and calculator are permanent fixtures on my kitchen worktop.

I know your pain - it's such a lot of work, isn't it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: AndyK on 17 July, 2011, 06:36:34 pm
I do, and have been doing so for two years. The calorie counter, scales, and calculator are permanent fixtures on my kitchen worktop.

I know your pain - it's such a lot of work, isn't it?

Not really. It's second nature now. After a while you learn the calorie content of common foods, and calculation gets quicker or even unnecessary.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 17 July, 2011, 06:38:04 pm
Do you weigh and record everything you eat, and have you compared that to the others you're referring to?  Forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about not being able to cut out more from your diet.  If you can't keep the weight off, then you can almost certainly eat less and lose more weight.  The tough part is that you may not wish to suffer that much.

Well the second part of the comparison leads back to what I mentioned in a previous post: Whilst those people I mentioned are as thin as rakes they also couldn't lift a tin of rice pudding without asking for help, where as I've always been good at exercises that involve explosive efforts from large muscle groups.

I can dead lift, squat, press and carry a considerable amount for someone who doesn't train in those disciplines, which must mean that even though I'm obviously carrying more fat than I need I'm also carrying more muscle. For me to get to my ideal BMI weight would not simply involve me eating less and moving more, but I'd also need to reduce muscle mass which seems a bit extreme just to play along to someone else's definition of "average".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasmine on 20 July, 2011, 09:32:05 am
I've finally cracked the 80 kg barrier (79.5 kg).

Interestingly, that has happened despite increasing my calorie intake allowance by changing my baseline activity level - limit is now a fairly generous 2100 Cal / day. The addition of a short run 3 x per week has done it, I think.

I'm not surprised you lost the weight! The recommended calorie intake to remain the same weight - for a male doing zero exercise - is approx. 2400Kcal per day.

Not quite.  I personally hate the fact that this figure is used on food packaging, because it's very misleading.  The 2400 kcal pr day figure is for an average man (i.e. about 5'10, medium build), who is moderately active.  If you have a desk job and do no exercise, the figure is much lower.

Where a lot of people go wrong is to take the 2400 figure and then add their exercise on to this.  For example, for someone doing an hour of cycling: estimate 1 hour cycling = 515 kcal (15mph for the average male) therefore 2400 kcal plus 515 kcal = 2915 kcal.  They will then eat this much and wonder why they are gaining weight. If you are counting calories, you really need to start from basal metabolism (calories used when doing nothing at all - sleeping), then add all activities, from sitting, to walking around, to 'exercise'.  It's also important to remember that calorie figures for exercise include the portion of basal metabolism anyway, so that needs to be removed if you are addin it to your daily allowance. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 July, 2011, 09:47:50 am
Oh arse!  Forgot weigh in this morning :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: AndyK on 20 July, 2011, 09:53:26 am
Do you weigh and record everything you eat, and have you compared that to the others you're referring to?  Forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about not being able to cut out more from your diet.  If you can't keep the weight off, then you can almost certainly eat less and lose more weight.  The tough part is that you may not wish to suffer that much.

Well the second part of the comparison leads back to what I mentioned in a previous post: Whilst those people I mentioned are as thin as rakes they also couldn't lift a tin of rice pudding without asking for help, where as I've always been good at exercises that involve explosive efforts from large muscle groups.

I can dead lift, squat, press and carry a considerable amount for someone who doesn't train in those disciplines, which must mean that even though I'm obviously carrying more fat than I need I'm also carrying more muscle. For me to get to my ideal BMI weight would not simply involve me eating less and moving more, but I'd also need to reduce muscle mass which seems a bit extreme just to play along to someone else's definition of "average".

Food packaging? I was going by what my GP and nutritionist told me. The human body burns around 100kcal per hour just staying alive.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasmine on 20 July, 2011, 10:21:19 am
2400 kcal can be a useful figure if you don't want to do the full calculations, but it is assuming an average build male who is moderately active - for example, a warehouse job.

When completely inactive, the body is using much less than that.  I'm a 170 cm tall, 63 kg female.  My basal metabolism is 1350 kcal per day - this is 56 kcal an hour.  That's what I am using when asleep/lying down. For a (bigger) male, this would be a bit higher.  As you lose weight, this figure will drop a little.

If I do an hour of cycling, I can add 459 (515-56) kcal to this figure.
If I do 10 mins of walking around, I can add to the figure.
If I do 4 hours of sitting watching TV, I can add (a small amount) to this figure.

The calculations are a bit laborious, which is why the 2400 figure is used. The danger of the 2400 figure is that a lot of people reward themselves with food after going to the gym, thinking that they have worked it off by adding the exercise figure to the 2400.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 20 July, 2011, 10:37:14 am
(http://mindlesseating.org/images/cartoons/EatWithEyes-ME2006-Wansink-Cartoon.jpg)  .I just need some pointers on what to eat .thanks in advance stuart .

That cartoon is from Wansink's awesome book Mindless Eating (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mindless-Eating-More-Than-Think/dp/0553804340). Buy it - it is superb. Solid experimental evidence, accessibly described, with straightforward recommendations. He targets the external triggers of reflexive processes that underlie overeating, so it doesn't require willpower/conscientiousness.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: AndyK on 20 July, 2011, 10:43:12 am
2400 kcal can be a useful figure if you don't want to do the full calculations, but it is assuming an average build male who is moderately active - for example, a warehouse job.

When completely inactive, the body is using much less than that.  I'm a 170 cm tall, 63 kg female.  My basal metabolism is 1350 kcal per day - this is 56 kcal an hour.  That's what I am using when asleep/lying down. For a (bigger) male, this would be a bit higher.  As you lose weight, this figure will drop a little.

If I do an hour of cycling, I can add 459 (515-56) kcal to this figure.
If I do 10 mins of walking around, I can add to the figure.
If I do 4 hours of sitting watching TV, I can add (a small amount) to this figure.

The calculations are a bit laborious, which is why the 2400 figure is used. The danger of the 2400 figure is that a lot of people reward themselves with food after going to the gym, thinking that they have worked it off by adding the exercise figure to the 2400.

Small OT point: I work in warehousing. It is much more than 'moderately active'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasmine on 20 July, 2011, 10:51:03 am
But in terms of the calorie figure, a warehouse job plus no 'additional exercise' is a moderately active lifestyle overall (assuming you don't just drive around the warehouse in a forklift).  You personally probably do use the 2400 kcals, but now imagine if you sat at a computer all day - significantly fewer calories. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 20 July, 2011, 12:54:19 pm
lost 3.8kg out of 5.2kg that i gained during all-you-can-eat-and-drink holidays two weeks ago, just by eating sensibly as usual. i will probably not reach my target weight by pbp, but won't be far from it either (1-2kg heavier).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 July, 2011, 01:57:58 pm
lost 3.8kg out of 5.2kg that i gained during all-you-can-eat-and-drink holidays two weeks ago, just by eating sensibly as usual. i will probably not reach my target weight by pbp, but won't be far from it either (1-2kg heavier).

What did I tell you???

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: welshwheels on 24 July, 2011, 07:40:49 pm
happy days lost 6 pounds this week 3 stone 3 lbs to go :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 28 July, 2011, 09:39:21 pm
It might be misleading in exceptional cases,

It's a reasonable general guide and if it's telling you you're obese you probably are - certainly seriously overweight and approaching obesity.  But BMI is based entirely on height,  it takes no account of frame size or variations in the distribution of lean and adipose tissue, doesn't consider age and the standards for the thresholds between ideal, overweight and obese ranges are neither clear nor universally agreed.  It also fails for athletes, body-builders and other very active people, whose fat to muscle ratios are well off the scale.  I know these points are often used as excuses by overeaters in denial, but that doesn't change their validity.  "Mostly completely right" isn't an accurate summary.

Before I started strength training, I did pay attention to BMI, but even then I knew it was a rough guideline.  The notional ideal BMI of 22.0 would require me to be 10 stone 5.  Believe me (very much not in denial about my health and weight), that's an unhealthily low weight for me; at 10 stone 10, I was slim verging on gaunt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 29 July, 2011, 10:44:09 am
That's my point exactly - slim verging on gaunt is how we should be, at least to the current social perception which is tending towards being a little overweight looks good.  See that Canadian doctor article comparing fit, healthy and well fed battle-injured Afghan soldiers with the obese Canadian norm.

I bet if you put up a photo of yourself in swimming trunks together with your weight and height, I wouldn't expect that you'd be a case that would throw a exception to the general BMI rule.

I guess my point is that I'm not surprised people don't like BMI, it's telling them they are overweight when they don't want to be considered as that.  It's the truth though, and for nearly everyone IME.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 29 July, 2011, 11:07:46 am
That's my point exactly - slim verging on gaunt is how we should be

I think that's debatable, but in any case, my point was that the theoretical ideal weight for me is one at which I would be just plain gaunt, on the unhealthy side of slim.  Slim is fine, slim I am comfortable with (although slim combined with the quads and back muscles necessary to squat 1.5xbodyweight is a slightly odd look), but gaunt is something else.

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I guess my point is that I'm not surprised people don't like BMI, it's telling them they are overweight when they don't want to be considered as that.  It's the truth though, and for nearly everyone IME.

I have no disagreement with that at all, but I also don't want to label the BMI scale as highly accurate, because it isn't.  Treating it as such can be a part of the anorexia/body-image obsession that's the mirror of the obesity problem.  I've seen people switch from one to the other (obsessive target-achievement can itself be an addiction and a very attractive one to somebody who was previously addicted to eating).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 29 July, 2011, 11:16:11 am
Oh, I'm not saying it's a highly accurate scale, but it's pretty much the honest truth about nearly everyone.

As for squatting, I know some speedskaters who squat more than double their own bodyweight, and still have that thin look.  (Inline speedskaters, who are much more marathon shaped than their ice counterparts).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 29 July, 2011, 11:51:19 am
Yes, but the strength training isn't their primary focus and the slim athleticism is part of the primary discipline.  On the other hand, if you're primarily trying to build strength then watching calories at the same time makes it a slower and more difficult process.  I've found cycling and strength training to be a productive combination, but it would be a lot harder if I were trying to combine audaxing with my other goals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 29 July, 2011, 12:10:22 pm
So carrying enough muscle to squat 1.5 times your bodyweight, and still being of a healthy BMI, is a quite achievable goal?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 29 July, 2011, 12:40:57 pm
Yes, for most people, depending on body shape (tall people have it harder in that regard).  Beyond that, not really .  To make good progress for goals beyond that (e.g. the 1000 club), you're going to go off the scale.  But that's not relevant to my original point, which is that BMI is not "mostly absolutely correct".  It's a general guide, with fuzzy edges.  A general guid is enough to tell you you're obese, though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 03 August, 2011, 09:59:07 am
I was closer to my target at the end of April than I am now (meant to hit my target by august). :(

At least I'm heading in the right direction again these last two weeks.  Maybe I'll be there by the end of September.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 03 August, 2011, 11:11:28 am
I was closer to my target at the end of April than I am now (meant to hit my target by august). :(

Me too.  But a Kg has come off last couple of weeks.  I am delighted to be 83.4kg.   I hope to see 82.4 for Weds the 17th and will count this as a win

PBP is the weekend of the 21st Aug, so I can't wait until September :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 03 August, 2011, 11:19:52 am
It's a general guide, with fuzzy edges.  A general guid is enough to tell you you're obese, though.

Agree 100% about the fuzzy edges, the problem I've got with it is that it puts someone who can do 200k at 14mph in the same class (obese) as someone who can barely get out of the house without removing a wall.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 03 August, 2011, 11:33:22 am
It's not a measure of fitness/health, but a measure of body mass index, surely?  That said, I'd be willing to bet that across the population, someone who's obese, despite being fit, would still be at greater risk of health issues than someone who's both lean and fit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 August, 2011, 11:55:27 am
I was closer to my target at the end of April than I am now (meant to hit my target by august). :(

Me too.  But a Kg has come off last couple of weeks.  I am delighted to be 83.4kg.   I hope to see 82.4 for Weds the 17th and will count this as a win

PBP is the weekend of the 21st Aug, so I can't wait until September :)

Don't attempt any weight loss in the week before PBP. An extra 500g of fat is easier to shift across France than 83kg of unresponsive lead.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 03 August, 2011, 12:10:18 pm
It's a general guide, with fuzzy edges.  A general guid is enough to tell you you're obese, though.

Agree 100% about the fuzzy edges, the problem I've got with it is that it puts someone who can do 200k at 14mph in the same class (obese) as someone who can barely get out of the house without removing a wall.

This is true and Wendy's example of the speed skaters also, if he only thought it through, shows the same silliness as they will have the same BMI as somebody who does no exercise at all but doesn't eat much.  That said, if somebody can do 200k at 14mph but still qualifies as obese according to BMI, they are much healthier than the couch potato but still have a weight problem which can seriously affect their health.  On the plus side, if they can reduce that weight at a sensible pace, they'll be really damn fit at the end of it and capable of tackling many other goals (not just fitness ones) :):)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 03 August, 2011, 12:31:32 pm
I think that's what I said earlier.  ;)

It's not a measure of fitness, it's a measure of your body mass index.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 03 August, 2011, 01:04:17 pm
My scales estimate my body fat at 10% - (the instruction booklet says that they may miscalculate athletes...) - it is probably less than that..

My neighbours tend to use the 'G' word - trust me, if you are a bit larger, at least they won't call you GAUNT, which hurts..

Indeed most seem to think I am ill - I am pretty sure that 4,000 + metres of climbing on the Rhosgoch 200 (inc getting to the start and back to the B&B) - oh and I was first back - seems to disprove the 'ill' diagnosis.

So anyway I just calculated my BMI and it comes out at 20.5 which according to the diagram on M&S webpage is in the bottom third of the normal range...

I would have to lose another 6kg down to 54 kg to tip into below normal - seems just plain daft
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 03 August, 2011, 01:13:11 pm
It's not a measure of fitness/health, but a measure of body mass index, surely?  That said, I'd be willing to bet that across the population, someone who's obese, despite being fit, would still be at greater risk of health issues than someone who's both lean and fit.

Whilst that's OK with those who understand that, unfortunately the other 95% of the Eastenders watching public just assume one thing- Obese = fat, lazy slob that can barely move.

In all honesty if we hadn't had this discussion and we agreed to meet, but beforehand I told you I was obese according to the BMI definition, what would you expect to turn up?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 03 August, 2011, 01:46:17 pm
I think that's what I said earlier.  ;)

It's not a measure of fitness, it's a measure of your body mass index.

The BMI is a measure of your BMI?  I would never have guessed.  It's always completely right, then, rather than mostly completely right.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 03 August, 2011, 01:49:42 pm
:rolleyes:  It's not as though I'm trying to score points here.  Why are you suggesting a measure of obesity fails because it fails to take into account an entirely unrelated property, being fitness.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 03 August, 2011, 07:55:03 pm
I was simply quibbling about the accuracy claimed for it.  Internet, pedantry, pedantry, internet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 04 August, 2011, 08:55:50 am
Right, so are you claiming BMI doesn't apply to you personally?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on 04 August, 2011, 09:41:12 am
This morning I clocked the scales at 69.2k.  This is the lightest (knowingly) I've been for 30 years!  I fluctuate between 74-6k in the winter and 71-2k in the summer.  This record-low weight is probably a result of:

1)  Being careful what I eat in general - unless on an audax in which case I eat anything!

2)  Cutting out snacks, especially biscuits, crisps, chocolate, etc.

3)  Resisting the urge to eat everything in the house in the days post-audax

4)  A higher mileage this year as prep for PBP

5)  A 2-week cycling holiday in South Spain at the end of June.  The temperatures were ridiculous (40-48c every day), lots of hill climbing and most of the food was so disgusting that appetite was fairly easily suppressed!  Lost 2k.

This gives me a BMI of 20.8 (for what it's worth!).

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 04 August, 2011, 09:50:46 am
good work Toontra!  Are you going to try and get any lighter?

I'm also at a 'lowest weight for 20 years', but about 30 kg heavier than you!  97 this morning, down from a record high of 110/112ish last new year.

For me, it's more about eating than training, my mileage is about the same as last year.
so:
 - no white carbs, except spuds occasionally
 - less beer (more wine)
 - more protein instead of the white carbs
 - very rare sugary snacks

hoping for 95 by September 1st, then a year end target of 90, which will give me a BMI of 25.  I recon 85 is about as light as I want to get.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on 04 August, 2011, 10:00:49 am
good work Toontra!  Are you going to try and get any lighter?

I may see if I can get down to 68, just out of interest really.  It's still within the BMI "normal" range so nothing to worry about, and I like the idea of offsetting some of the weight that will be in my rack-pack on the French ride.

Mike, you put it all into perspective.  You've lost about 30% of your body mass - that's pretty damned impressive!  I'm just fiddling about on the edges in comparison!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 04 August, 2011, 10:36:27 am
Crikey that's very impressive, Mike!!!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 04 August, 2011, 10:50:03 am

 - no white carbs, except spuds occasionally
 - less beer (more wine)
 - more protein instead of the white carbs
 - very rare sugary snacks



That's pretty much exactly what I've done, and had pretty much the same results- 114ish kg down to 97. Although I'm not as tall as you so I still have a long way to go.

Well done  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 August, 2011, 11:38:47 am
good work Toontra!  Are you going to try and get any lighter?

I may see if I can get down to 68, just out of interest really.  It's still within the BMI "normal" range so nothing to worry about, and I like the idea of offsetting some of the weight that will be in my rack-pack on the French ride.

Mike, you put it all into perspective.  You've lost about 30% of your body mass - that's pretty damned impressive!  I'm just fiddling about on the edges in comparison!

It's hardly more than a fortnight till the French ride. I'd not really bother to lose anything right now. As I posted upthread, it's easier to pedal an extra  half kg of fat across France than a whole bodyweight of unresponsive muscle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 04 August, 2011, 11:49:02 am
Right, so are you claiming BMI doesn't apply to you personally?

I'm saying it's less useful.  What constitutes the border between healthy ideal and overweight is not in the same place as it was when I wasn't squatting 120kg for 5 sets of 5 three times a week (not to mention the other stuff).  The boundary is going to be somewhere a little different now that I, bluntly, have thighs that I can't pull some of my jeans over despite the fact they'd very happily button up around my waist (my waist measurement hardly having changed at all).  I still pay attention, but I worry less about it.  There was a point where I was gaining weight slowly but it was clearly almost all muscle, my body fat percentage was dropping and although the "squatters thigh/bum" thing takes a little getting used to at first, the increased strength and muscle on my shoulders/arms/back was something I was entirely happy about.  *Now*, though, because of a crappy home/work balance that's disrupted my routines and diet, I'm overweight and looking to lose 5 or 6 kilos and stabilise there.  As far as BMI is concerned, I'm back in the healthy range after losing just 1 kilo, so that's not much use (and, since I became concerned about my weight and knew I'd have to address it well before I went over a BMI of 25, it wasn't much use on the way up either).  So I'll be stopping where I feel good and confident about myself (and certainly won't be aiming for 22.0, since a BMI of 22.7 felt unhealthy).

It happens that the place I want to stop is in the normal range, but that's because I'm not planning to go much further with the strength training at the moment, just to maintain the strength gains I made.  Who knows, though, I may decide to go up a level and go for some more serious goals, in which case I can very plausibly see myself going over the magical 25.0 mark into being allegedly overweight while actually being healthy, fit and with a low body fat percentage.

I felt overweight when I was, according to BMI, safely in the normal range and yet felt unhealthily gaunt when I was allegedly still short of the supposedly ideal 22.0.  I don't believe I'm unrealistic about what weight and shape is good or bad for me.  No, I don't see the BMI as very useful to me.

Earlier, you talked about the skaters "still having a healthy BMI".  But what constitutes a healthy BMI for them is not the same as for someody the same weight but much less active.  It seems a circular argument to say it's a healthy BMI and look, they're healthy and they have this BMI and it's healthy because it's a healthy BMI and round about forever.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 04 August, 2011, 11:51:52 am
Why are you avoiding my question?  It seems to me that you don't want to admit that BMI applies to you because you don't like the truths it tells about you.  How about a photo with weight and height stats?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on 04 August, 2011, 11:53:18 am
It's hardly more than a fortnight till the French ride. I'd not really bother to lose anything right now. As I posted upthread, it's easier to pedal an extra  half kg of fat across France than a whole bodyweight of unresponsive muscle.

I'm sure you're right Helen.  Maybe I'll loosen up on the abstemiousness for the next fortnight  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 04 August, 2011, 11:58:25 am
In the end I haven't lost anything for PBP. I started off at 84kg earlier in the year, intending to drop down to 76kg (like I did for LEL) but haven't. Still 84kg.

Luckily it's not a race.

I've got the rest of this week to push myself very hard and then two weeks of light recovery before the ride itself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 04 August, 2011, 12:00:33 pm
Why are you avoiding my question?  It seems to me that you don't want to admit that BMI applies to you because you don't like the truths it tells about you.  How about a photo with weight and height stats?

I'm not avoiding the question at all.  I just told you I was overweight by the BMI standard *and* by my own (which you didn't actually ask), gave you quite a bit of personal information about my state and motivations, explained that I'm actually more strict with myself than the BMI requires of me.  Since you ask, I'm 173cm and was 75.5kg this morning.  I tend not to post that data only because there are people on this thread struggling with obesity who don't need to be burdened with my comparitively minor worries.

Forgive me if I don't go stand in front of the mirror with a camera and post it so that you can be even more of a cock than you're currently being.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 04 August, 2011, 12:55:14 pm
I just don't understand why you want to put down BMI when it's so clearly a good general guide, apart from its honesty over our weight.  It tells me I weigh more than I should too, but I accept what it's saying.  I feel that those dismissing BMI are largely looking for excuses about what it says.

I'm also not stupid enough to suggest that it's any more than a part of a health review, which would also include rather more than the fitness you fail BMI for not measuring.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 04 August, 2011, 01:42:19 pm
I don't question it's general usefulness for most people, given that most people are either relatively inactive but healthy or overweight/obese and struggling to impose any discipline.  I deeply resent the assumption that my attitude to BMI is caused by self deception and weakness.  It feels like an ad hominem attack to try to win an argument (very thoughtless in this thread, of all places) and very unjustified.  Having been obese and dealt with it, I was a rock stable 10 stone 10 for a couple of years, which only changed because I decided to pursue different goals (including both strength training and getting more serious about cycling).  I made those changes partly because I thought I'd become a little too focused on bodyweight goals; not panicking or obsessing when my weight changed a bit was an achievement.  Adapting to strength training without either losing good dietary discipline or panicking and obsessing was also an achievement; the fact that personal and work disruption messed that up was a huge annoyance but dealing with it calmly, and when I had the time, was important.  I don't post about my weight in this thread because I have no doubts about my ability to reach my goal, having now achived much tougher ones on a regular basis.

It's precisely because I am able to be disciplined and honest with myself about my weight and health that I don't find BMI very useful.  There's really no danger of my ever being obese again and I don't expect to see myself approaching a BMI of 25 again (I hope never to have the same nasty combination of personal and work circumstances and I'd be more prepared for it next time).  If I'm wrong about that last part, I know that I'll be concerned about it quite some way before BMI proclaims me overweight.  Conversely, I also remain convinced that 10 stone 5 is not a healthy goal for me.  At 10 stone 11, I never met anybody who thought I was anything other than slim, I felt healthy and looked good on it.  When I pushed lower, even people who'd only known ever the slim me became concerned for my health (OK, so my mum thought I was anorexic when I reached 11 stone but that's mothers for you).  I do not feel deluded in this, or in my decision to aim for a slightly heavier goal with a significantly different body composition.

In short, I expect to spend the foreseeable future thinking (if I think about the BMI at all) 'Still in the "ideal" range, still not at the "optimum" 22.0.  Now, how do I really feel?'

And that's my last word on this.  I feel insufferably smug just having typed the previous paragraph and never looked to be typing any such thing in this thread.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 04 August, 2011, 02:48:51 pm
I do see where you're coming from, itsbruce, and my posts weren't intended as an attack or to behave "like a cock".  I'm sorry I come across like that, but it's nothing more than my innate bluntness and lack of diplomacy.  I find it deeply distressing when people dismiss BMI, especially with no justification, and I think it's very wrong to do so.  It's nothing more than honest truth, and that's the first thing that's needed when dealing with problems of any kind.  Honest truth eventually leads to acceptance and acceptance leads to dealing with the issue.  Suggesting that BMI is so wrong makes it easy to make excuses, and that's not helping anyone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 04 August, 2011, 03:19:41 pm
No problem.  I was, I guess, being something of a pedantic cock myself ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 04 August, 2011, 03:24:01 pm
I think the problem is that your average Joe sees BMI as a gauge of health, my Dad for instance would be spot on with BMI and yet he has more health problems than you can shake a stick at, most of them poor diet and lack of exercise related.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 04 August, 2011, 07:54:23 pm
I think the problem is that your average Joe sees BMI as a gauge of health
Or he's heard all the arguments and has decided that BMI is "all wrong" so thinks he's as fit as a fiddle despite carrying round an extra 10kg and wondering why he keeps getting a recurrence of an old leg injury (not me I hasten to add, I know I'm overweight and not as fit as I was two or three years ago)

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 10 August, 2011, 02:49:39 pm
looks like i'm unconsciously increasing my lard reserves before pbp..  5kg of extra weight to carry around - is not what i planned initially. too late to do anything about it now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 August, 2011, 04:54:11 pm
looks like i'm unconsciously increasing my lard reserves before pbp..  5kg of extra weight to carry around - is not what i planned initially. too late to do anything about it now.

I agree it's too late to do anything now!
I still doubt it's all lard though. Don't be surprised if you spend much of PBP pissing like a trooper even if you drink only small quantities of water.

How does your waist measurement compare to two months ago? How do clothes fit?

Good luck with PBP!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 11 August, 2011, 07:48:46 pm
good work Toontra!  Are you going to try and get any lighter?

I may see if I can get down to 68, just out of interest really.  It's still within the BMI "normal" range so nothing to worry about, and I like the idea of offsetting some of the weight that will be in my rack-pack on the French ride.

Mike, you put it all into perspective.  You've lost about 30% of your body mass - that's pretty damned impressive!  I'm just fiddling about on the edges in comparison!

It's hardly more than a fortnight till the French ride. I'd not really bother to lose anything right now. As I posted upthread, it's easier to pedal an extra  half kg of fat across France than a whole bodyweight of unresponsive muscle.

Helly, I will remember this epic quote of yours as I scoff blue stilton cheese with my choklit later  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 11 August, 2011, 07:53:32 pm
Up and down and up and down and up and ...  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 August, 2011, 09:55:13 pm
good work Toontra!  Are you going to try and get any lighter?

I may see if I can get down to 68, just out of interest really.  It's still within the BMI "normal" range so nothing to worry about, and I like the idea of offsetting some of the weight that will be in my rack-pack on the French ride.

Mike, you put it all into perspective.  You've lost about 30% of your body mass - that's pretty damned impressive!  I'm just fiddling about on the edges in comparison!

It's hardly more than a fortnight till the French ride. I'd not really bother to lose anything right now. As I posted upthread, it's easier to pedal an extra  half kg of fat across France than a whole bodyweight of unresponsive muscle.

Helly, I will remember this epic quote of yours as I scoff blue stilton cheese with my choklit later  ;D

Enjoy your food!
PBP is a massive metabolic demand.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 12 August, 2011, 12:25:18 am
In the last month I've lost 2.5 kg. I am happy chappy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 17 August, 2011, 07:02:00 pm
Keeping it steady around the 80 kg mark. I still need to keep a careful eye on things to keep it there, although I eat well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 18 August, 2011, 11:50:05 am
A week of YHA breakfast buffets has added ~2kg. A veggie full english, with triple helpings of eggs and mushrooms, plus 4 croissants... worth every bit of deprivation I'll endure to get back on track. Joined myfitnesspal, as the barcode scanner makes keeping a food diary a doodle. Plan on being back below 70kg before the MK600 on the 24/25th of September.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 22 August, 2011, 09:15:31 pm
Noticing a pattern - easily below net calorie target during the week when I don't drink any beer, but utterly missing target when I do have beers on the weekend. I ride less at the weekend, which makes the target harder, but a couple or three beers Friday-Sunday (+attendant snacking) wipes out much of the gain during the week. Currently reading Krabbe's The Rider, and have been inspired to drop alcohol as well as caffeine until after (or possibly during) the MK600 in late September.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 23 August, 2011, 12:24:07 pm
Noticing a pattern - easily below net calorie target during the week when I don't drink any beer, but utterly missing target when I do have beers on the weekend.

Funny that.  ;D

Beer is by far the hardest part of weight-control for me. I can resist most things but I just like beer too much. I find the best policy is to focus on quality rather than quantity - if I want a beer of an evening, I'll open a bottle of the good stuff and sip it slowly (there's a rather excellent bottled beer emporium near home so I've usually got something interesting in the drinks cupboard). Water is for quaffing, beer is for enjoying.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 23 August, 2011, 08:37:04 pm
i just cant have beer in the house..  I can resist wine and whiskey but if there's beer in the fridge, it must be drunk.  No willpower, that's always been the problem ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 24 August, 2011, 10:05:10 am


Funny that.  ;D

Beer is by far the hardest part of weight-control for me. I can resist most things but I just like beer too much. I find the best policy is to focus on quality rather than quantity - if I want a beer of an evening, I'll open a bottle of the good stuff and sip it slowly (there's a rather excellent bottled beer emporium near home so I've usually got something interesting in the drinks cupboard). Water is for quaffing, beer is for enjoying.

d.

That worked for me, until I'd found myself deciding that a big bottle of Kwak counted as my 1 beer for the evening, and making regular visits to our local deli to top up on Grain Blackwood Stout.

i just cant have beer in the house..  I can resist wine and whiskey but if there's beer in the fridge, it must be drunk.  No willpower, that's always been the problem ;D

Yep. The mental cost of resisting it is too high. I've had the same policy with ice cream for a while - I can very happily devour a whole tub of Chunky Monkey in a sitting, which is how I got up to 97kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 24 August, 2011, 05:27:20 pm
i just bought some 34" jeans ;D ;D 

I've been wearing 36 (and sometimes 38) for nearly 20 years, now 34s fit just fine.  Blimey.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 25 August, 2011, 01:50:13 pm
Great feeling, isn't it?  ;)  Going to strike onwards to 32?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 25 August, 2011, 03:56:13 pm
Great feeling, isn't it?  ;)  Going to strike onwards to 32?


Oh yes.  I'm still 15 kilos over where I want to be...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 25 August, 2011, 11:45:02 pm
I was in 30" trousers when I got married, and used to have to wear a belt. Was struggling to get in to 36" jeans mid way through my PhD and again when our eldest was 6 months old. Don't need to wear a belt, but being back in 30" trousers feels great. The main things I notice are that I don't get so hot when I am exercising - I barely sweat compared to before, and that going uphill quite a bit easier.

I've been working with a MRC Epidemiology group recently - they are at the cutting edge of investigation of the effects of physical activity and obesity - it's all DEXA scanners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-energy_X-ray_absorptiometry) and actiheart monitors (http://www.camntech.com/cnt_actiheart.htm) (gonna borrow one for my next 600). One of their researchers was speculating that we've not seen anything yet in terms of the ill-effects of obesity given the rise in obesity in kids. He sent me this paper that describes the effects of obesity longditudinally (instead of assessing it at a single time point and looking at outcomes related to that).

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/40/4/985.abstract

Quote
[over]48 years... for those who were obese for 1–4.9, 5–14.9, 15–24.9 and ≥25 years of the study follow-up period, adjusted HRs for all-cause mortality were 1.51 [95% confidence interval (CI) 1.27–1.79], 1.94 (95% CI 1.71–2.20), 2.25 (95% CI 1.89–2.67) and 2.52 (95% CI 2.08–3.06), respectively, compared with those who were never obese.

He was wondering what the life expectancy of kids who've always been fat will end up being. I was remembering that when I was a kid, there were 2 fat kids in the whole school. Now there's 2 per class.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 26 August, 2011, 12:55:45 pm
The Lancet has a special issue on obesity this week. Loads of good stuff, but this fits my interests well.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2811%2960812-X/fulltext

Loads of interesting stuff on why people lose less weight than predicted, and quantifying the amount of change in energy expenditure required to deal with the obesity epidemic in the US. A cracking read.

There's also a weight change simulator on the main page for the obesity series

http://www.thelancet.com/series/obesity
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 26 August, 2011, 01:24:20 pm
From a position of absolutely no knowledge at all, I think there's a lot more to it than calories & exercise...

I've always done 8-10 hours of sport a week, and up until Feb this year I'd eaten fairly sensible amounts of low fat, conventionally healthy food.  And beer, but that's a constant :)   when I did a calorie tracker thing it normally came out at about 2,000 - 2,500 per day, but I couldnt lose weight without starving myself, which wasnt sustainable.

Since Feb, I've changed the mix of what I eat by cutting out sugar and white carbs and replacing the missing calories with protein and fat and I've lost about 12 kilos in six months, steadily and (hopefully) sustainably and without ever being hungry.  The level of exercise has stayed almost exactly the same.

it's not simple, that's for sure...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on 26 August, 2011, 08:52:04 pm
Well, I got down to 68kg before leaving for PBP, the lightest I've been for 30 years by 2-3kg.  As Helly said maybe not a good idea before an endurance event but, as it turned out, I felt great and flew up the hills, even with my rack-pack with 6kg worth of stuff.

However, 1 week later back home on the same scales I'm 74g - I've put ON 6kg during the PBP week!  Oh well, easy go, easy come (or some such saying).

BTW, I lost the weight by restricting my diet.  For me it really was that simple, and wasn't even particularly hard or problematic - just required a change of habits.  Exercise remained at the same level throughout, even lessened in the last couple of weeks of tapering.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 August, 2011, 12:38:17 pm
I went to France around 68kg and this morning I'm about the same. I've lost a lot of body fat though and probably still need to lose a bit of fluid before I know the true effect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 30 August, 2011, 03:08:19 pm
Since giving up alcohol and treats on top of caffeine abstinence in prep for my next 600, I've been faithfully tracking my physical activity and diet again, and estimating my background calorie needs using a basal metabolic rate calculator and the Harris Benedict equation (not scholarship on my part in finding this - just random googling, so it may be shite). Together, this predicts that in the last week, as of today I should have lost 1.135kg. This morning, I stood on the admittedly crappy scales full of hope.

Bah, no weight loss. Here's hoping that I drank more water than usual for the time of day and needed a poo, and that tomorrow, the ~10000kcal deficit I'll be running for the week will start to show on the scales.

I've said it before, but it deserves repeating - weight gives really crap feedback (I know I've lost fat because my trousers are looser and my love handles are disappearing).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 August, 2011, 04:01:47 pm
How about using a low-tech, low cost tape measure at various strategic points on your body and tracking progress that way.
Waist measurement can be confounded somewhat by food/faeces/flatus in your belly but bum and thigh circumference will not be.
You can't really pull a tape too tight round your bum...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Simonb on 30 August, 2011, 04:10:27 pm
Lost about 3.5kg on PBP.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 30 August, 2011, 05:48:24 pm
How about using a low-tech, low cost tape measure at various strategic points on your body and tracking progress that way.
Waist measurement can be confounded somewhat by food/faeces/flatus in your belly but bum and thigh circumference will not be.
You can't really pull a tape too tight round your bum...

I suspect that would be good for feeling like I'm progressing, but I'm only really interested in being lighter. If I had a power metre, I'd love to set a goal of increasing my power to weight ratio. I'be been skinny enough to meet any 'not fat' goals I've had for ages.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 30 August, 2011, 06:22:24 pm
I got really swollen immediately after PBP, and my weight went up to 60kg. Its back down to 56.7kg now so more like my pre-ride weight. Not sure if I've actually lost any body fat or not though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 31 August, 2011, 12:03:11 pm
Despite nearly two weeks of overeating, touring has been kind to my weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 31 August, 2011, 01:11:35 pm
Lost about 3.5kg on PBP.

Same here, down to 81.7kg this morning. Will start tracking it again as I'm aiming for 76kg now that the bonkers cycling stuff is over.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 31 August, 2011, 07:35:23 pm
I'm at a record low of 54.4kg today, but that might be artificially low from hangover dehydration and not really eating anything other than scrambled egg for 2 days. I feel very shit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 August, 2011, 08:07:01 pm
I'm at a record low of 54.4kg today, but that might be artificially low from hangover dehydration and not really eating anything other than scrambled egg for 2 days. I feel very shit.

Oh dear!
Get Well Soon!
[3rd attempt to post this as forum seems blippy]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 07 September, 2011, 02:00:56 pm
Well, BMI starts with a 19 again for the first time since my 600 earlier in the summer. Glad today is weigh in day, as yesterday the scale said 71.5kg. Also pleased because it's taken a hell of a calorie deficit to get the weight to start to shift. I've been putting the data into my spread sheet...

Since giving up alcohol and treats on top of caffeine abstinence in prep for my next 600, I've been faithfully tracking my physical activity and diet again, and estimating my background calorie needs using a basal metabolic rate calculator and the Harris Benedict equation (not scholarship on my part in finding this - just random googling, so it may be shite). Together, this predicts that in the last week, as of today I should have lost 1.135kg. This morning, I stood on the admittedly crappy scales full of hope.

According to that, I should have lost 2.75kg, rather than the 1kg I have lost. Frustrated, I've just keyed all my data into the new model app on The Lancet (http://www.thelancet.com/series/obesity). Expecting that it would confirm that my weight loss is as to be expected, I clicked the "run simulation" button.

It reckons I should have lost 4.5kg in the last 15 days, and bleeps warnings at me that I'll be an unhealthy weight by the end of the month. Bah! Either I am lying to myself about what I eat (unlikely, as I am using the barcode scanner in MyFitnessPal to log my eating), the models of what calorie expenditure results from physical activity (or specifically cycling) are wrong, or the models of weight loss or wrong, or I am an outlier, or my wife is secretly dosing me with sugar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 07 September, 2011, 02:33:49 pm
Water retention?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 07 September, 2011, 02:36:51 pm
Is it your time of the month DrMekon?

Seriously, you're just getting fitter. More efficient at energy in => miles out. One day you'll be as fit as me and be able to ride 1230km without losing a single kg. You lucky thing.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on 07 September, 2011, 02:45:18 pm
Lost about 3.5kg on PBP.

Same here, down to 81.7kg this morning. Will start tracking it again as I'm aiming for 76kg now that the bonkers cycling stuff is over.

I haven't weighed myself, but I know I was a lot smaller afterwards.  No surprise, as I really struggled to find anything to eat at the controls and the only real meal I had was at Sizun

Some's gone back on, but I've just been to be measured for a wedding suit and I was pleasantly surprised...

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 07 September, 2011, 03:27:45 pm
Is it your time of the month DrMekon?

Seriously, you're just getting fitter. More efficient at energy in => miles out. One day you'll be as fit as me and be able to ride 1230km without losing a single kg. You lucky thing.  ::-)

I am feeling a bit moody, as it goes.

The only reason you didn't gain weight is that the french cakes aren't up to your standard. I'm still trying to lose the 3kg (primarily your coffee cake and brownies) that I put on at the Seething 600.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 September, 2011, 05:48:48 pm
I was 71.9kg as of my most recent update.  I lost some weight before PBP due to stress.

As of the week post-PBP I went down to about 66.5kg.

Must regenerate the graphs, not done it for a while.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 07 September, 2011, 10:10:15 pm
67 :o. I don't think I have the hang of this :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 14 September, 2011, 10:11:24 am
Weight still not coming off at the expected rate. The best fit for my observed weightloss data I can get (that isn't obviously nonsense) is...

Current weight = starting weight + (calorie intake (http://www.myfitnesspal.com/) - ((basal metabolic rate (http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/bmr-formula.php) * harris benedict equation (http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/)1) + (exercise energy expenditure2 * 0.63)))

What I've found useful about this this that it suggests that I'm running a much smaller calorie deficit that the tools such as livestrong and myfitnesspal suggests. That also fits with my low levels of hunger. I wonder if these tools hugely overestimate the energy expended cycling because they are based on normal cyclists. I suspect that if you've done a few audaxes, you've optimised your technique and equipment. The numbers I have suggest I'm using 60% of the calories that their estimates specify. I'll have actiheart derived energy expenditure data when I can be arsed to give my monitor back (which will replace all the BMR and exercise stuff), but I wish I had a powertap so I could see what that says.

Bottom line for me is that I can't trust the numbers/suggested plans for weightloss suggested by websites. If I did what they said, I'd be be losing around 1/3rd of a kilo a month, rather than the 1/2 kilo a week they suggest.

1. I put in 1.2 (sedentary) because I monitor all my exercise
2. From my gpx files in sporttracks, but the myfitnesspal and livestrong estimates come out there or thereabouts.
3. This is the 60% adjustment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 14 September, 2011, 11:17:54 am
I wonder if these tools hugely overestimate the energy expended cycling because they are based on normal cyclists.

I don't know what being a "normal" cyclist means, but surely the laws of physics dictate that the same amount of energy is required to move the same mass over the same distance, regardless of the level of cycling experience of that mass?

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Bottom line for me is that I can't trust the numbers/suggested plans for weightloss suggested by websites.

Agreed. For me, the same ride data gives me 780 calories burned according to Livestrong and 825 calories burned according to MyNetDiary.com. At least one of those is out by a significant margin.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 14 September, 2011, 11:22:38 am
I wonder if these tools hugely overestimate the energy expended cycling because they are based on normal cyclists.

I don't know what being a "normal" cyclist means, but surely the laws of physics dictate that the same amount of energy is required to move the same mass over the same distance, regardless of the level of cycling experience of that mass?

That doesn't take into account efficiency. Which is more efficient:-
a) a properly set up bike with seat at the right height
b) saddle right down and knees up around your ears

in terms of both aerodynamic and pedaling (mechanical) efficiency.

Cardiovascular efficiency will mean that a fitter rider will expend less energy overall in propelling a bike along the road at a certain speed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 14 September, 2011, 11:34:58 am
Cardiovascular efficiency will mean that a fitter rider will expend less energy overall in propelling a bike along the road at a certain speed.

OK, fair enough. I admit I don't really know much about how this works... Assuming all other things being equal, how much energy can you save through cardiovascular efficiency alone? 10%? 20%?

If I were interested in measuring improvements in cardiovascular efficiency, would it be as simple as measuring changes in max/resting heart rate over a period of time?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 14 September, 2011, 12:20:54 pm
I think that without knowing the assumptions behind the estimate, it's difficult to trust. Certainly, it ignores wind and elevation. Most ignore the weight of the bike. Actually....

That's reminded me - David Hembrow has a calculator that does a bunch of these things.

http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/kreuzotter/espeed.htm

...and the numbers come out at ~.8 of the estimates that I get off sporttracks et al.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 14 September, 2011, 12:33:41 pm
http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/kreuzotter/espeed.htm

Thanks for that link, it explains (sadly) why the original kreuzotter page disappeared off t'Internet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 14 September, 2011, 12:58:00 pm
Interesting. Assuming a flat road and no wind, that gives me 470 calories for the same ride. However, adding even a small gradient or a light headwind massively bumps up the figure to something comparable to the Livestrong/MyNetDiary figures, or even higher...

I reckon the MyNetDiary figures are probably close enough for my purposes. I tend to guess and round up the calorie content of my food anyway, so that probably balances it out. Either way, my weight loss is roughly in line with what I'd expect from the figures in MyNetDiary, so it seems to be working out OK for me.

Still wouldn't mind getting a PowerTap though.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 14 September, 2011, 01:31:20 pm
I wish my numbers were there or thereabout. I know I'm recording my intake accurately, and I know how much I weight. The only bit I can take issue with is the energy expenditure from cycling.

@greenbank - how do your numbers from your powertap compare to livestrong / myfitnesspal, etc?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 14 September, 2011, 01:37:21 pm
@greenbank - how do your numbers from your powertap compare to livestrong / myfitnesspal, etc?

No idea. I've never used any of those sites/tools. I used to keep a food diary but that was in the days before I had a PowerTap to work out energy expenditure.

Nowadays I ride the fixed or my commuting hackbike (with childseat), neither of which will take the PowerTap wheel.

I lose weight by upping the amount of exercise I do, eating the same as before, and putting up with feeling hungry for periods of time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 14 September, 2011, 01:44:29 pm
Whether I'm upping the exercise or reducing my intake, I do make a point of eating more fresh fruit and vegetables than usual (and my usual is a rather higher proportion of those than the average) when on a calorie deficit.  It helps to avoid vitamin/mineral deficiencies that might otherwise accrue and the greater bulk tends to make me feel full.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 14 September, 2011, 01:47:34 pm
I think I've plateaued again.  A bit better than previous levellings off, but still remarkably static.

Must.  Resist.  Chocolate. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 14 September, 2011, 01:57:56 pm
Chocolate, like descents, has to be earned.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 14 September, 2011, 01:59:06 pm
Can you think of ways to change your diet/exercise routines?  It can become difficult to just keep on the same, especially when diminishing returns mean you have to do more of the same, but harder.  Variety keeps the interest up.

I invested in a couple of Indian slow-cooker recipe books, recently.  Building up a balanced all-veg Indian meal (couple of different things from the slow cooker, a fresh salad and something quickly prepared like spicy stir-fried cabbage, say) is interesting, a pleasant change of routine and very healthy.  And the slow cooker part takes a lot of the effort out of it.













Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 19 September, 2011, 12:29:29 pm
Cutting out the morning/afternoon snacks. Luckily I've got a busy week of meetings to keep me occupied.

Nice and hungry now, luckily it's time to nuke my lunch...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 19 September, 2011, 04:02:35 pm
I think I've plateaued again.  A bit better than previous levellings off, but still remarkably static.

Well I plateaued some time ago. Despite that, however, I still feel in much better shape than I was. I had to buy new trousers at the weekend - I'm now a 32" waist, down from 36" a year ago. I've just been to the "Men's Health Week" Clinic at work and been told that my blood pressure is down (now 117/71 with a pulse of 67). My BMI is under 23 (from 26). The only contra sign is that my cholesterol is up slightly to 4.73mmol/L, but that wasn't considered an issue. For those who've met me - I'm no athlete (just a mid to late 50s blob of lard).

The main thing I've done is to take a little more exercise, weigh myself regularly (which helps me think about what I've eaten in the past day or so if I've moved in the wrong direction), cut down on the carbs and up the fruit and veg intake. The packs of crisps and chocolate biscuits in the evening have all gone. My main problem now is that I don't stint when out on a longish ride (lots of cake and jelly babies). Afterwards I find I've put a kg or so of weight on which can take a couple of weeks to shift.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 September, 2011, 07:48:37 pm
I was 68kg at the weekend.  Looking less likely than previously that I’ll end up a bloater by November following a 1000k+ event in the summer. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 20 September, 2011, 08:08:30 pm
I was 68kg at the weekend.  Looking less likely than previously that I’ll end up a bloater by November following a 1000k+ event in the summer. :)

Well it's not like you are getting no exercise is it :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 21 September, 2011, 09:55:01 pm
Just started on a 30-day paleo diet this Monday. This means no grains, starch, sugar, diary & legumes for 30 days.
Plan is then to add moderate amounts of the 'banned' items back after the 30 days.
Currently feeling constantly hungry, despite eating quite decent portions of vegs/fruit/meat/eggs, but it's not a 'I need something to eat or I'll die' kinda thing but more a 'I need more!'.
Topped out at 92kg 1 month ago..got it down to 91 before this (90 this morning) and are quietly hoping to get it down to 85kg by the end of the month.
We also had body fat % measured (with a caliper) and I was at 20.4% and we'll re-measure at the end of the 30 days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 28 September, 2011, 08:05:16 am
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!

After months at a plateau I've finally managed to lose over 1kg in the space of a week.  Just three more to go.  Too bad I'm already two months past my target date.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 28 September, 2011, 10:03:00 am
Starting to get sensible numbers out of the predictive model I'm using. So long as I assume that I am burning 60% of the calories suggested by the usual estimates for cycling, the model quite accurately predicts my weight loss. To make the calorie tracking software I'm using help me along those lines, I've had to set a net calorie goal of 600kcal on the days I commute. However, my model suggests that I'm only really running at a 500kcal daily deficit, and this fits my (lack of) hunger and weight loss data. I'm basically doing 60km a day during the week*, aiming to eat ~2300kcal a day including at the weekend.

For me, those "well done, you've burnt 1500kcal" messages are a hindrance. Telling myself "No I can't have an extra helping of toffee apple pie and vanilla crunch ice cream" is not made easier by them.

*my BMR is quite low, and my lifestyle is utterly sedentry other than cycling
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 28 September, 2011, 10:06:05 am
@DrMekon - Have you seen this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14882832 ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 28 September, 2011, 10:16:43 am
Yep - if you look back on the thread, you'll find a link to the special series in The Lancet (the story that BBC have picked up), which is what gave me the idea of modifying my response. I don't claim to have followed their model properly. I'm just trying to get my independent variables (Basal metabolic rate estimate, calorie intake, lifestyle estimate, energy expenditure estimate)  to predict my dependent variable (weight).

You should have a play with the app on the Lancet page. Its numbers don't come out much more accurate that the Weight =  Starting weight + (Calories - ((BMR X Harris-Benedict) + Energy expenditure))) formula I started with*, but it's useful to see the difference between weight loss and weight maintenance.

http://www.thelancet.com/series/obesity

*27 days in, this model predicts I should weight 1.22kg less than I do. If I'd believed that I'd restricted myself as much as it says I had and only lost what I have (2kg instead of 3.22kg), I think I'd have given up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 September, 2011, 10:30:44 am
Oh arse!  Despite making an effort to both keep the miles up and amounts of sillyfood down, I've put on over a kilo in the last week, recovering from illness. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 28 September, 2011, 10:33:58 am
I've been eating like a bottomless pit since PBP

But this morning I got out my tightest cycling top and mrs V said I must have lost diameter around the middle as it looked okay, whereas before PBP there was a bit of a spare tyre effect
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 03 October, 2011, 06:27:16 pm
I've lost 20lbs in the last month, but the past two weeks I have felt so utterly knackered. Last night I went to bed at half past seven.
I think I might be trying too hard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 03 October, 2011, 11:40:05 pm
Sounds like it.  One to two pounds per week is usually a more sustainable pace.  If you're determined to maintain that level of calorie deficit, the best I could say is to up the amount of fresh fruit you eat and take some vitamin supplements as well.  Actually, no, the best advice I could give is to ease up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 October, 2011, 10:23:51 am
20lb in a month is mad. And probably not healthy.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 05 October, 2011, 12:43:13 am
Down 1.5kgs, despite a 'break' in the diet, when we went on a road trip to Oregon. Annoyingly that break happened, just as I was stopping to be constantly hungry (and grumpy). Still eating *alot*, just no rice/grain/sugar/diary/alcohol.

Hardest part is cake-time time at work...especially today as it looks tasty and there's still pieces left!!!
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 October, 2011, 01:26:33 am
After spending most of the year not really putting much genuine effort into my weight loss plan, it's hardly surprising that my weight at the start of September was much the same as it was at the start of January. But I've stepped it up a gear since then and I'm now about 2-2.5kg lighter than I was at the start of September. Achieved this through a combination of lots of cycling and avoiding excess - haven't changed what I eat, just been a lot more careful about how much of it I eat.

Feeling really good on it too. :thumbsup:

Determined to keep it up, though I know it's going to get harder - I understand the first few kilos are the easiest to lose.

Plus the build-up to Christmas is always a tiring and stressful time at work, which won't help. And I expect cycling opportunities will be curtailed as winter kicks in…

Trying to take a philosophical approach - I probably won't reach my goal (to lose another 6kg by the end of the year) but as long as I can maintain some downward progress, I'll be happy.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 05 October, 2011, 06:00:04 am
^^^^
that's a very S.M.A.R.T. philosophy.
Something similar worked for me a few months ago but I reverted to being a gannet took my eye off the ball & have regained most of what I lost. :(
Still,it does demonstrate that it can be done without a heavyweight ::-) approach to the issue.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 05 October, 2011, 09:42:13 am
I've managed to maintain the same weight I hit last week.  As it was a significant drop (1.5kg) I was worried about a bounce back up.

Seems the new routine is paying off.  I had tried skipping dinner, but with the commute this just wasn't going to happen.  Most weekdays I now skip lunch or eat very little.  I keep dinner portions small and try to avoid bread, pasta, etc.  This, combined with cycling on a more regular basis appears to be doing the job.

The hard part will come in a month or so as the temperature drops and nights grow longer - comfort eating will be a big temptation.  If I can drop below my current weight in the next week or so I'll feel confident in hitting my target before the end of the year (target date was August).  I would love to enter the holiday season with a bit of 'room to grow'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 October, 2011, 10:18:04 am
Weight loss is still falling far short of the prediction. I'm sticking with a sensible 2000kcal a day during the week, but doing ~60km a day. Not finding myself especially hungry, possibly because I try to eat low calorie density foods and drink lots of water (got the idea from the Volumetric Diet). I continue to remain amazed at the discrepancy between the predicted weight loss and what I observe. According to the standard estimates, I should currently weight 65.8kg, having lost 6.2kg over the last 5 weeks. In fact, I'm 69.5 kg, and have lost 2.5kg. As I've said, I'm happy with the trajectory of my weight loss; just surprised at how far out the estimates are for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 05 October, 2011, 10:14:50 pm
i didn't commute last two weeks (been on jury service) and i found that i need much less food; in fact i've noticed that i can get through the day with few snacks and one small meal. quite unusual to me (and cheap too ;D)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 October, 2011, 11:38:45 pm
Weight loss is still falling far short of the prediction. I'm sticking with a sensible 2000kcal a day during the week, but doing ~60km a day. Not finding myself especially hungry, possibly because I try to eat low calorie density foods and drink lots of water (got the idea from the Volumetric Diet). I continue to remain amazed at the discrepancy between the predicted weight loss and what I observe. According to the standard estimates, I should currently weight 65.8kg, having lost 6.2kg over the last 5 weeks. In fact, I'm 69.5 kg, and have lost 2.5kg. As I've said, I'm happy with the trajectory of my weight loss; just surprised at how far out the estimates are for me.

I'm no expert but 60km a day on 2,000 calories sounds like pretty meagre rations. Perhaps you've just trained your body to slow your metabolism down?

Edit: ignore me, I've just realised my mistake, namely comparing your dietary needs to mine, when I weigh a good 10kg more than you.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 October, 2011, 08:54:32 am
All these discussions about theory are all very well, but they're focusing on something we surely all know, pretty much.
Theories of weight loss are straightforward.

Calories in must be < calories out, and then you'll burn fat.

Everything else is refinements.

I don't have any problem with any of that.

My problem is, not eating. I just can't seem to do it.

There's lots of partial reasons why: I'm home all day; I can bake nice cakes; I'm bored; I don't drink enough; I ride enough to generate a huge appetite, but only after I've finished and am sitting on my arse; I have poor impulse control; I have a sweet tooth; I'm on a very limited budget and fat & sugar are cheaper than fruit, and bulky complex carbs are cheaper for a big family than protein; etc etc.

So if someone can come up with a magic solution for me to get some ability to say no, when faced with a morning of tedious chores and I fancy a peanut butter & jam sandwich, that'd be great, thanks.
Otherwise I'm going to need a whole wardrobe of new clothes I can't afford, as my 'weight loss' has gone into reverse.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 06 October, 2011, 08:58:56 am
All these discussions about theory are all very well, but they're focusing on something we surely all know, pretty much.
Theories of weight loss are straightforward.

Calories in must be < calories out, and then you'll burn fat.

Everything else is refinements.

I think there's more to it that that.  A lot depends on the type of calories you're eating, and my take is that sugary stuff like cake, bread, pasta cause insulin spikes that stop your body burning sugar.  Cut out as much sugar and wheat as you can for a month, eat more meat and veg to make up the numbers and so you're not starving and see what happens...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 06 October, 2011, 09:00:28 am
All these discussions about theory are all very well, but they're focusing on something we surely all know, pretty much.
Theories of weight loss are straightforward.

Calories in must be < calories out, and then you'll burn fat.

Everything else is refinements.

I don't have any problem with any of that.

My problem is, not eating. I just can't seem to do it.

There's lots of partial reasons why: I'm home all day; I can bake nice cakes; I'm bored; I don't drink enough; I ride enough to generate a huge appetite, but only after I've finished and am sitting on my arse; I have poor impulse control; I have a sweet tooth; I'm on a very limited budget and fat & sugar are cheaper than fruit, and bulky complex carbs are cheaper for a big family than protein; etc etc.

So if someone can come up with a magic solution for me to get some ability to say no, when faced with a morning of tedious chores and I fancy a peanut butter & jam sandwich, that'd be great, thanks.
Otherwise I'm going to need a whole wardrobe of new clothes I can't afford, as my 'weight loss' has gone into reverse.

My answer when I'm in that sort of mood is to shove an apple or other fruit in my mouth, every time. True, you can eat a lot of apples to start with, but that quickly drops. Anyway, that leaves you eating something that is almost certainly better than a lot of other choices.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 October, 2011, 09:05:44 am
All these discussions about theory are all very well, but they're focusing on something we surely all know, pretty much.
Theories of weight loss are straightforward.

Calories in must be < calories out, and then you'll burn fat.

Everything else is refinements.

I think there's more to it that that.  A lot depends on the type of calories you're eating, and my take is that sugary stuff like cake, bread, pasta cause insulin spikes that stop your body burning sugar.  Cut out as much sugar and wheat as you can for a month, eat more meat and veg to make up the numbers and so you're not starving and see what happens...

I couldn't afford to pay the electricity is what would happen, I think.

Bread & jam is cheap cheap cheap.

Meat & veg is not. Especially for 5 of us.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 06 October, 2011, 09:11:14 am
If insulin spikes stopped your body burning sugar, then I'd be the fattest fat thing anywhere.  (diabetic on insulin).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 October, 2011, 09:12:58 am
<whinge about having no willpower>

My answer when I'm in that sort of mood is to shove an apple or other fruit in my mouth, every time. True, you can eat a lot of apples to start with, but that quickly drops. Anyway, that leaves you eating something that is almost certainly better than a lot of other choices.

yes, but while the other stuff is available (and as I am not an island, it almost always is, and should be) I just can't make the right choices. My whinge is a weak-willed one.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 06 October, 2011, 09:29:03 am
I found the thing that worked for me was frankly ridiculous levels of official exercise. Spend 20 odd hours a week swimming, at the gym or in classes and a) you burn a lot of calories so the chips and cake matter less, b) you tend to be quite cheerful and so feel less need to comfort eat and c) perhaps most importantly, that's 20 odd hours a week when you can't stuff your face, since i never did find a way to scoff cream cakes either in the pool or on the x-trainer. Course that all went wrong when they closed my local pool/gym and life got in the way...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 October, 2011, 09:36:43 am
I'm full of excuses today, so

I can't do 20 hours a week of official exercise-gym membership and swimming cost.
And although I could ride my bike for 20 hours a week it just makes me hungry. And, not to put too fine a point on it, I'm trying to stay off the bike as my arse is still recovering from PBP.

I want to not want to eat. How do you do that? (I'm aware there are drugs, but, they cost, and are not healthy.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 06 October, 2011, 09:41:32 am
Indeed. Time and cost are 2 major reasons i no longer do it and am therefore approximately the size of something that could help arch clean her car. If you find an answer, do share!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 06 October, 2011, 09:57:17 am
I'm full of excuses today, so

I can't do 20 hours a week of official exercise-gym membership and swimming cost.
And although I could ride my bike for 20 hours a week it just makes me hungry. And, not to put too fine a point on it, I'm trying to stay off the bike as my arse is still recovering from PBP.
I want to not want to eat. How do you do that? (I'm aware there are drugs, but, they cost, and are not healthy.)
All that except the PBP bit :-\

Indeed. Time and cost are 2 major reasons i no longer do it and am therefore approximately the size of something that could help arch clean her car. If you find an answer, do share!

And that too.

I like carrot sticks and apples, but once there is chocolate within reach (that is - at a shop within a mile) I'm rubbish.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 October, 2011, 10:49:55 am
There are no easy answers to boab's problem; the simplest would be for a job outside the home to materialise just like that. Less boredom when within reach of CAKE biscuits and other goodies. Employment doesn't just appear. :(

Making 'rules' might help, eg
'No food at the computer.'
'Carrot sticks are the only food allowed between meals.'
'No food at the TV.'

This is all somewhat pious if you're bored, peckish and stuck at home.

Potatoes can be your friend if you don't smother them with too much fat (or sugar - check how much ketchup you use).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 October, 2011, 11:01:06 am
I'm also looking at This (http://the99percent.com/tips/7086/A-Master-Plan-for-Taking-Back-Control-of-Your-Life) linked by DrMekon elsewhere.

I'll try Helly's roolz.
See how I get on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 06 October, 2011, 11:37:00 am
I'm also looking at This (http://the99percent.com/tips/7086/A-Master-Plan-for-Taking-Back-Control-of-Your-Life) linked by DrMekon elsewhere.

I'll try Helly's roolz.
See how I get on.

If you have a kindle, and know how to do it, I'll lend you my copy of Mindless Eating by Brian Wansink - it's all about losing (and how we gain) weight automagically. Barbara Roll's book "The Volumetric Eating Plan" is also kick arse.

I appreciate how hard being at home is. I feel more hungry on a Sunday at home with the kids and no exercise than I do busy at work and doing 60km during the week. I'm working at home today, and have wanted to snack. Fortunately, I'm stocked up on popcorn for low calorie density snacking!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 October, 2011, 11:37:42 am
I want to not want to eat. How do you do that?

Drinking lots of water can help, up to a point. At least, it can take the edge off your hunger temporarily.

But I think it's mostly down to self-discipline… and I sympathise, I really do. I find it all too easy to just cut myself a piece of cheese to nibble on. 150 calories a slice. And I find crisps extremely hard to resist. Some PRs brought a huge box of Doritos into the office yesterday and before I knew what I was doing, I'd eaten two bags. 200 calories a pop. Sweets too - I can't open a bag of Percy Pigs without scoffing the lot. 350 calories gone in an instant. Biscuits and chocolate I can take or leave, but I would suffer greatly in a house full of cake.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 06 October, 2011, 11:46:44 am

But I think it's mostly down to self-discipline
nail,hammer & head.
I find "dieting" ( a word used very loosely in my case) more difficult than giving up smokingI find hunger more difficult to accept than nicotene withdrawal.One helps to delay dying the other contibutes to it.
The fundamental problem is that the "in" hole is larger than the "out" hole.
I may have oversimplified the issue but you can't get away from the fact that more calories in than calories out = more lard.So unless you have an active job you need sexercise
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 06 October, 2011, 11:54:12 am
I do not trust self-discipline. I spent 4 years doing a PhD looking at whether motivation can account for health behaviour change and a further 7 years trying to design and evaluate interventions using motivational models. Never been a good model in any of the trials I've worked on. It's true, if you can generate masses change in desire to achieve a goal, it can have a very small effect on health behaviour (there was a big meta-analysis done a while back). In contrast, using simple "If-Then" plans to generate new habits has a large effect on health behaviour. Note, boab doesn't want to stop eating cake, she wants to stop wanting to eat cake. Cake is lovely - how are you going to make her stop to want to eat it, particularly when cake is lovely now, whereas weight loss is boring now, and not particularly exciting later.

Apples and water work for me as an appetite supressant. Scoff the apple and drink a pint of water. I think the pectin means it makes a big gloopy blob in your belly that makes you full. Make the plan "If I am hungry, then I will eat an apple and drink a pint of water"

Ban yourself from baking caek. I put on 3kilos at the Seething 600, and it was all your fault. I'm not allowed alcohol until I hit my weight goal. When I do, I fully intend to manage my weight with the strict application of barley wine. Until then, nada. Make the plan "If I weight more than x, then I cannot bake cake".

Jam is like crack for me. I can eat half a jar with just a spoon. I'm not allowed more than 1 teaspoon a day and only on toast for breakfast.

Get absorbed in something. Take up arguing with right wing twats on a fox message board, or something. Idle minds need caek.

You have an android phone, right? install myfitnesspal (barcode scan the image below) and stick to using it obsessively. Ignore what it tells you you can eat mind - I've had to multiply the food allowance I earn through riding by .6 to make the numbers work. I believe long distance riders are too efficient for the calorie burn estimates for cycling.

(http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=qr&chs=150x150&chl=http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.myfitnesspal.android?install=web)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 06 October, 2011, 03:54:33 pm
Suggesting that it is all down to self discipline, and that if you can't discipline yourself you are a failure is a very common attitude and IMO at least 50% of most people's problem.

fboab asked how she could want to not want to eat? It's a reasonable question and one that is shimimed around by most dieticians as they have  a vested interest (economic or just intellectual) in the status quo.

An answer to the question (although, not necessarily for everyone) is NLP. That system says that you have a brain that runs on words and you can therefore use words to programme it. For me, the Paul McKenna book "I can make you thin" provided most of the answers to the question. There was one missing part which was when I relialised I was looking at myself as a fat person. Also, I was setting myself up for battles I was doomed to loose. Let me explain a little more. NLP says that the brain doesn't really understand negatives - look what happens when you tell a child not to run. To be most effective, you need to express your message as a positive (in the case of the child "Walk!"). In my case, working from home, I would often end up in a battle with the fridge door. No! I Musn't! I'd tell myself and inevitably...... Sound familiar to anyone? I replaced that with telling myself "I'm a thin person, thin people don't scavenge" and the battles fell away.

I did have the benefit of having learned NLP techniques before applying them to dieting, but the principle is the same - you CAN change the way you think, and therefore what you feel and do, if you really want to.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 October, 2011, 05:28:16 pm
Suggesting that it is all down to self discipline, and that if you can't discipline yourself you are a failure is a very common attitude and IMO at least 50% of most people's problem.

For the record, I didn't use the word failure and I would never be so judgmental about anybody finding it hard to lose weight.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 06 October, 2011, 05:54:00 pm
Suggesting that it is all down to self discipline, and that if you can't discipline yourself you are a failure is a very common attitude and IMO at least 50% of most people's problem.

For the record, I didn't use the word failure and I would never be so judgmental about anybody finding it hard to lose weight.

d.

And for clarity, I am not referring to any individual accusing anyone else of failing, but more to the underlying pervasive attitude and our innate inclination to see ourselves as failures if we cannot achieve what we feel we want. Also to the extent that our use of that language reinforces the feeling in our heads.

edit: when I look at the last words of my earlier post "if you really want to" it shows how easy it is to use that language, even though I didn't mean it to sound that way.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 06 October, 2011, 06:15:49 pm
Suggesting that it is all down to self discipline, and that if you can't discipline yourself you are a failure is a very common attitude and IMO at least 50% of most people's problem.


Then find another way to describe it.  The way  I see it, I changed my relationship with food.  It is possible to do this while busy (I was in a busy job with a commute and cooking for two, because my ex never bothered to learn even the most basic of food preparation tasks).  Cooking in batches and pre-preparing meals was one of my main strategies.

BOAB, do you have a slow cooker or could you plausibly acquire one?  They take a lot of the effort out of cooking and can save you money on two counts; firstly, they are cheap to run (particularly for those dishes which are cooked on low) and secondly you can use cheap cuts of meat (if you are a carnivore) which taste much better than the more expensive cuts if cooked for long enough - which is what slow cookers are all about.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 October, 2011, 09:25:26 pm
Suggesting that it is all down to self discipline, and that if you can't discipline yourself you are a failure is a very common attitude and IMO at least 50% of most people's problem.


Then find another way to describe it.  The way  I see it, I changed my relationship with food.  It is possible to do this while busy (I was in a busy job with a commute and cooking for two, because my ex never bothered to learn even the most basic of food preparation tasks).  Cooking in batches and pre-preparing meals was one of my main strategies.

BOAB, do you have a slow cooker or could you plausibly acquire one?  They take a lot of the effort out of cooking and can save you money on two counts; firstly, they are cheap to run (particularly for those dishes which are cooked on low) and secondly you can use cheap cuts of meat (if you are a carnivore) which taste much better than the more expensive cuts if cooked for long enough - which is what slow cookers are all about.
I don't need a slow cooker, I'm perfectly capable of slow roasting/braising cheap cuts of meat. It's not even what we have for meals that's the problem, it's the hours sitting around bored, putting off ironing and hoovering doing nothing but idle surfing and snacking.

(Today I made quince jelly. It's delicious on thick cut bread, toasted with butter. I really do need to lock myself out of the kitchen!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 October, 2011, 09:50:00 pm
Find some nice music.
Do the ironing. Spend an hour NOT eating.
Feel better because ironing is done.
Patch a pile of inner tubes or clothes.
Make a really nice job of a mundane household chore.
Feel better about yourself because you've done <boring task> and made home nicer.
Housework is boring pants but it won't go away for not getting done. Not doing it is demoralising and facing an ever-growing pile of washing/ironing/sewing/hoovering even more so.
Have you had your thyroid function tested?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 October, 2011, 10:10:30 pm
Have you had your thyroid function tested?
Yes. It's fine.
I still have Hb of 11 which does explain some of the lethargy, but mostly, I'm just idle.

Being at home out of work leads to a vicious cycle of bored-lethargic-do nothing-depressed-bored, all of which lead to a stroll to the biscuit barrel.

I'll do some reading and go back to bed with Paul (which I have done with some success in the past).
I just need to turn over a new leaf and go back to doing a bit of mindfulness training.

It's hard.
You're 'supposed' to lose 1-2lb a week. At that rate I need to not-eat-what-I'd-really-like-to-eat for the next 20-30 weeks. That's 210 days of delayed gratification, and the very idea of it makes me wish I had cream cakes in the fridge.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 07 October, 2011, 01:07:12 pm
I need to not-eat-what-I'd-really-like-to-eat for the next 20-30 weeks. That's 210 days of delayed gratification, and the very idea of it makes me wish I had cream cakes in the fridge.

I really can't do total abstinence. There's no way I could do without beer. I do try to cut down how much beer I have though - eg last night, I thought about having a second but managed to resist. It was bloody hard though.

You might think not having a job is part of the problem, but on the other hand… so far in the office today, we've had the PRs from Frank's Hot Sauce bringing us bacon sandwiches, PRs from Tyrell's bringing us crisps, and upstairs in the Press Briefing Centre are PRs from Zizzi's with loads of Italian food and prosecco…

Get thee behind me, satanic PRs!  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 07 October, 2011, 01:13:17 pm

You might think not having a job is part of the problem, but on the other hand… so far in the office today, we've had the PRs from Frank's Hot Sauce bringing us bacon sandwiches, PRs from Tyrell's bringing us crisps, and upstairs in the Press Briefing Centre are PRs from Zizzi's with loads of Italian food and prosecco…


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gn9A-kdsRo
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 07 October, 2011, 01:15:37 pm
It's a hard life. ;D

Right, it's lunchtime. Just off to get me some of that prosecco…

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 07 October, 2011, 01:37:53 pm
Right, it's lunchtime. Just off to get me some of that prosecco…

Wheras I'm in the kitchen with swiss roll in t'oven and flapjack ingredients melting on the hob... ::-)

(I have got a 200k tomorrow)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 07 October, 2011, 02:20:19 pm
<calculates how to get to BOAB's house before tomorrow>!

I think sometimes a kick start helps. Unless I am upset to the point of hysteria, I don't lose weight on my own. I have, at various times, had some success with Weightwatchers, slimming world and a Very Expensive Harley St Diet Dr. The VEHSDD had the advantage that it cost enough that I stuck to it and the pills helped to a certain extent. It was quite good to start off with that because I lost some weight immediately and felt less of a failiure as a result :)

I am considering rejoining WW when my new job is underway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 07 October, 2011, 02:26:43 pm
Yes, we should.

I'm only losing weight (and very slowly at that) by upping the miles.  That can't go on indefinitely.  I need to change my attitude to food.

And I have developed a position professionallu of no faith in the jedi mind-tricks NLP tosh, I'm afraid.

I have lost 20kg in four years, I suppose, hitting various plateaux on the way, but I can do with losing another 10kg I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 07 October, 2011, 03:23:02 pm
Yes, we should.

I'm only losing weight (and very slowly at that) by upping the miles.  That can't go on indefinitely.  I need to change my attitude to food.

And I have developed a position professionallu of no faith in the jedi mind-tricks NLP tosh, I'm afraid.

I have lost 20kg in four years, I suppose, hitting various plateaux on the way, but I can do with losing another 10kg I think.

I have had some success with WW but at the end of the day you/we/I need to resolve our relationship with food.

I do have some cynicism re the jedi mind tricks but CBT works, and is a kind of form of NLP. It's so magic, that even if you don't really believe, it can work.

I've only ever really wonderfully lost weight when I split up with my husband. The Heartbreak & Fags DietTM was a rip roaring (7stones) success, but really, far too high a price. And half of that is back, although it has taken it 8 years to return.

At the end of the day (as they say) we none of us want to be bloaters. It lessens the fun of cycling. I've got away with being a fat bastard for quite some time, but really, I want to lose the lard, and lose it for good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 07 October, 2011, 03:45:42 pm
Well, maybe we can all work together a bit.  I know there's the weight loss recording thread, which is wonderful discipline for me, but we could all do with being a bit more motivated.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 07 October, 2011, 05:01:07 pm
Yes, we should.

I'm only losing weight (and very slowly at that) by upping the miles.  That can't go on indefinitely.  I need to change my attitude to food.

And I have developed a position professionallu of no faith in the jedi mind-tricks NLP tosh, I'm afraid.

I have lost 20kg in four years, I suppose, hitting various plateaux on the way, but I can do with losing another 10kg I think.

The Jedi Mind Games are only one of the techniques of NLP, and you seem to suggest that underlies your lack of "faith"; that is similar to suggesting that you don't believe in speedreading techniques, so you won't pick up a book.

When I was on my NLP course alongside numerous work colleagues, I would say around 50% did not "get" the jedi mind tricks, I was probably a borderline. However, 100% "got" the NLP idea which is so blindingly simple and obvious: You can control other people's minds - and your own - with words. Bear in mind that in this context control is not to make someone like an automaton, but instead to influence them towards a position.

The other people's minds part is something everyone does to a greater or lesser extent; NLP sets out to put some (quasi?) science around it that you may or may not appreciate. It sure as hell works for some people  - Derren Brown ?. Put a suggestion to a person in the right language and you are much more likely to achieve your goal.

The real eye opener of NLP, though, is how much it applies to what goes on inside your own head, and then your own physical capabilities. Again, it isn't magic, and it isn't even news: you have to think of yourself as a winner before you stand a chance. It (_and_ the Jedi Mind Tricks - that business with his hands) are what helped Johnny Wikinson achieve what he did, but it hasn't given him superhuman powers.

The question posed (and the reason I came out of the woodwork on this thread) was, can a person learn not to want to want to eat? That has nothing to do with dieting, everything to do with attitude changing and something that NLP could possibly deliver.

My weight loss history up to a couple of years ago was of yo-yo dieting, at the end I was 110Kg and been stuck there for a number of years, while still cycling upwards of 100 miles a week, and I realised that only a radical change of attitude would help me, but I couldn't find it. For me, the Paul McKenna book together with the NLP stuff I knew about did the trick. I went down and stayed at 85Kg for about 2 years, crept backup to 103 as a combination of dropping back from my 60 mile/day commute which allowed me anyamount of beer and being off my feet for a few months, and I'm on my way back down again with negligible pain or difficulty (93 at the mo).

What works for one person doesn't for another, but if you are looking for a way to reprogram your thinking, you would be unwise to dismiss NLP without giving it a fair shot.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 07 October, 2011, 05:04:02 pm
NLP was very trendy as a management tool a few years back.  I found the biggest advocates the most unpersuasive people I worked with </my last word on the issue>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 07 October, 2011, 05:45:52 pm
NLP was very trendy as a management tool a few years back.  I found the biggest advocates the most unpersuasive people I worked with </my last word on the issue>

Sorry - just want to make sure I've got this straight - you're dismissing the potential for using NLP as a tool able to alter your own behaviour as a result of your experience with some poor practitioners ("most unpersuasive people") attempts to alter other peoples behaviour, in the context of trendy management techniques?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 07 October, 2011, 05:54:54 pm
After working away for 3-4 months earlier this year and eating all the wrong stuff I ended up over 17.5st (110kg) at the end of June. It was coming down very slowly but it's surprising what a change of diet does.
I've stopped eating bread over the last 3 weeks and have lost near on a stone! I could get through a loaf in just over a day (on my own  :o)
Every meal I used to eat would have bread with it and I was a bit worried what to have in its place. I don't miss not having it and feel a hell of a lot better for it.

Just have to keep it up now  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 07 October, 2011, 11:16:20 pm
2kgs down this week. It may not be comfortable, but it's working. Still very much hungry & grumpy, but hopefully that should taper off next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 08 October, 2011, 01:49:24 pm

You're 'supposed' to lose 1-2lb a week.
At that rate I need to not-eat-what-I'd-really-like-to-eat for the next 20-30 weeks. That's 210 days of delayed gratification, and the very idea of it makes me wish I had cream cakes in the fridge.

I mostly see the 1-2lb thing raised as a way of moderating those who are trying too hard and hurting themselves with crash diets; there's nothing compulsory about it.  1-2lb is a sensible rate of weight loss, but a steady 1/2lb a week, say, is nothing to be sneered at; if that's practical for you, it's a win.  The only downside is the patience required to be sure that you are actually achieving that weight, given that your bodyweight can vary by a couple of pounds or more over the course of a day.

NLP was very trendy as a management tool a few years back.  I found the biggest advocates the most unpersuasive people I worked with </my last word on the issue>

Sorry - just want to make sure I've got this straight - you're dismissing the potential for using NLP as a tool able to alter your own behaviour as a result of your experience with some poor practitioners ("most unpersuasive people") attempts to alter other peoples behaviour, in the context of trendy management techniques?

I think a debate on the merits of NLP deserves its own thread and shouldn't be allowed to disrupt this one.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 October, 2011, 12:56:18 pm
Pleasantly surprised when I got on the scales this morning - the reading was 77.1kg, which is the lowest my weight has been since I started recording about two years ago and probably the lowest it's been for some years.  :thumbsup:

[Edit: all the more pleasantly surprising given the two large slices I had of the cake that was delivered to the office yesterday. A large Victoria sponge filled with cream and jam, and coated with a thick layer of icing (though I left most of the icing - too sweet for my taste).]

Of course, there's a certain amount of daily fluctuation within that and I fully expect it to be up again tomorrow (in fact, I kind of hope it's up again tomorrow because it's 1.3kg down on two days ago!), but there's definitely a downward trend in the graph, which is very encouraging, and I'm still on track for my target.

I reckon riding a relatively short fixed gear (65") could be something to do with it - it's almost like doing an open-air spinning class.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 12 October, 2011, 04:44:49 pm
I wasn't so happy when I weighed in this morning.  I know I hadn't ridden much at the weekend, but I didn't think my eating had been so bad and, besides, I've been riding further and adding in hills this week!

Gah!  I need to get this sorted.  I thought I was going to stay below 95kg now.  Needs More Work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 12 October, 2011, 05:04:07 pm
Adding hills may develop muscle.Muscle is heavier than fat.Beware them hills :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 October, 2011, 09:04:06 am
I shall do me best to avoid 'em ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 13 October, 2011, 03:44:42 pm
Muscle being denser than fat, if you added some beef rather than lard then your silhouette is likely to have changed positively (e.g. reduced waist measurement).  So how do you feel?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 October, 2011, 11:34:08 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15289625

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 14 October, 2011, 10:22:32 am
fwiw, few of my colleagues (i think six) who were overweight went on a "cambridge diet", and all lost weight almost magically - back to normal.  i didn't ask specifically how it works, but they drank some shakes instead of lunch. couple of them gained weight again (no wonder looking at the food they eat), and four are still slim, almost a year later.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 14 October, 2011, 10:27:56 am
my sister tried that about 20 years ago, it a meal replacement thing where she had a revolting shake for breakfast and lunch and (i think) a normal dinner.  It was expensive and all the weight she lost went straight back on as soon as she stopped...

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 14 October, 2011, 10:38:49 am
just asked my colleague, he said the shakes taste quite nice and they are not more expensive than normal food ::-). not advocating this system, but i was surprised that it worked for all who tried it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 16 October, 2011, 10:56:52 am
Meal replacement schemes are not usually good for long term weight loss; they impose a temporary change on diet, after which people usually revert to their old habits.  Diet schemes like that all try and avoid confronting people with the unpalatable truth that they need to make permanent changes to their behaviour (because many people have an aversion to paying for uncomfortable news).

Changing the subject...

After all this time, I still occasionally use the Wii Fit programme for a reality check and comparison with past standards.  While I value its accuracy and history, I'm wary of some aspects of the programme.  It's still insisting that I should aim for 65kg (10 st 5lb, BMI of 22.0) as an ideal weight and refuses to consider any other kind of health goal (e.g. improved stability).  Well, at 71.5kg (11st 4lb, BMI of 23.92), I know I want to lose two or three kilos more, but not 9.  Anything under 68kg (where I was before I started strengh training) really is not healthy for me and I'm not impressed by software which cannot be diverted from an obsession with a pinpoint ideal based on results averaged from a huge sample population; there seems to be no way to point out to it that, since I am in its "ideal" band and have been for most of the last three years, that it should offer me other options (which should be easy, given how much data it tracks).  The fact that this software is aimed at people considerably less fit and informed about health/fitness than I am makes it all the more worrying.  I see people I know on various cycling forums drifting into anorexia as they become just a little too focussed with goals and weight management, crossing the line from perseverance into obsession.  These people tend to be well informed about health and fitness and yet they succumb; how much more vulnerable might the less clueful typical target of the Wii Fit be?  This very clever piece of software uses all the goal/reward hooks learned by the computer games industry to entice people to lose weight, but also nags them to weigh themselves every day and, though it tracks strength, balance and agility gains, only really cares about calories burned and weight lost.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 17 October, 2011, 09:07:35 am
15 1/2st this morning, 2st down from June  :thumbsup:
Not feeling hungry or grumpy at all, still eating what I like. Crisps, cake and chocolate if I fancy it and still have alcohol at the weekend.
One thing I have noticed though is if I eat any wheat based food I'll feel hungry again in 1.5-2hrs later, I believe this is due to the insulin spike and it dropping off after this time causing low blood sugar (correct me if I'm wrong,IANAD).
Where before I'd have a sandwich at this point, I now rarely feel like anything now and get to the point where I think "I've not eaten for 4hrs, I should eat something" and not "I need to eat where is the food!!"

Rich
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 17 October, 2011, 10:26:52 pm
Down another kg, as I slowly start to re-introduce grains and a little dairy. Just a little bread and rice stops me from being hungry all the time.
Fat % testing next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 17 October, 2011, 10:28:32 pm
15 1/2st this morning, 2st down from June  :thumbsup:
Not feeling hungry or grumpy at all, still eating what I like. Crisps, cake and chocolate if I fancy it and still have alcohol at the weekend.
One thing I have noticed though is if I eat any wheat based food I'll feel hungry again in 1.5-2hrs later, I believe this is due to the insulin spike and it dropping off after this time causing low blood sugar (correct me if I'm wrong,IANAD).
Where before I'd have a sandwich at this point, I now rarely feel like anything now and get to the point where I think "I've not eaten for 4hrs, I should eat something" and not "I need to eat where is the food!!"

Rich


good work Rich!!  same 'diet' as I'm on.  Have you read 'primal blueprint'?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 October, 2011, 10:52:38 pm
I'm the same weight I was when I finished pbp. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 18 October, 2011, 12:23:04 am

good work Rich!!  same 'diet' as I'm on.  Have you read 'primal blueprint'?

No but I have just saved his blog to look at later http://www.marksdailyapple.com/ and what I read on wheat belly http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/ was interesting.
I don't plan to cut it out completely just moderate what I eat.
I seem to be eating a lot more than I did before though and a better variety too  :thumbsup:
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 18 October, 2011, 01:25:05 am

good work Rich!!  same 'diet' as I'm on.  Have you read 'primal blueprint'?

No but I have just saved his blog to look at later http://www.marksdailyapple.com/ and what I read on wheat belly http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/ was interesting.
I don't plan to cut it out completely just moderate what I eat.
I seem to be eating a lot more than I did before though and a better variety too  :thumbsup:

I've used these two sites a lot:
http://www.paleotable.com/
http://jensgonepaleo.blogspot.com/

Also a lot less preaching than Marks Daily Apple :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 19 October, 2011, 09:15:02 am
I'm within 1kg of my target!  :D    Riding more and eating less (and more sensibly) seems to be doing the trick.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 19 October, 2011, 10:35:13 am
Riding more and eating less (and more sensibly) seems to be doing the trick.

It works for me. Still 5kg from my target but making steady progress - about 2.5kg off in the last 30 days, which means I'm bang on schedule to reach my target by the end of the year.  :thumbsup:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 19 October, 2011, 02:50:00 pm
Riding more and eating less (and more sensibly) seems to be doing the trick.

Alternatively, I've just found out a colleague is subscribing to this plan:
http://www.choyungtea.com/

Only £80 for a month's supply…  :o  :facepalm:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 19 October, 2011, 03:01:27 pm
If their cake budget has gone down by £80 as a result, it might work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 24 October, 2011, 05:27:29 pm
Another kg down this morning. That's 4kg in 5 weeks. I've introduced some dairy and grain again and correspondingly cut back down on the fat. White cabbage has actually become a house favourite (sliced/shredded into salads/coleslaws) alongside yams.

Also noticed quite significant improvement in aerobic fitness.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 26 October, 2011, 10:37:20 am
Been eating and drinking like a beast since my 600 the weekend before last, not helped by there being an £1 a bottle offer on 9% barley wine (Aromas over Tongham) at my local shop. So, no beer until December, and back to a 500kcal a day deficit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 26 October, 2011, 06:02:41 pm
My weights gone up by 9KG since I was diagnosed with DVT in August.Looking for a slower weight loss this time.I weigh 95k now and I am hoping to get down to about 85k in the Spring.The Doctors have given me the all clear to do as much exercise as I like,so I am feeling more positive now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 26 October, 2011, 06:43:21 pm
Another three pounds off.  Only another two stone left to go :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 01 November, 2011, 06:51:20 am
The Current Mrs R is religiously following the Slimming World programme at the moment and doing really well, she's lost over 10lbs in 5 to 6 weeks.  I am also losing weight by riding more and eating the SW main meals which with few exceptions are very tasty.  All in all I think SW is excellent and TCMR has stuck at it for longer than other weight loss regimes.

However, a couple of questions have gone unanswered.  SW say you can eat unlimited quantities of dried pasta but must steer clear of fresh pasta.  Why?  Also, we have both cut right down on bread and cakes and think this has really helped.  Again, why?  On the surface SW looks very simple but there is obviously quite a bit of science behind the scenes.

 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 01 November, 2011, 09:01:24 am


However, a couple of questions have gone unanswered.  SW say you can eat unlimited quantities of dried pasta but must steer clear of fresh pasta.  Why?  Also, we have both cut right down on bread and cakes and think this has really helped.  Again, why?  On the surface SW looks very simple but there is obviously quite a bit of science behind the scenes.

That's easy. It is VERY difficult to eat too much of that hard crunchy stuff.

Actually, sounds like bull to me, no calorific or nutritional difference between the two. Cutting down on bread works because it has a surprisingly high calorific value. An' it's tasty. An' you spread BUTTER onnit. An' stuff.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 01 November, 2011, 09:02:56 am
Fresh pasta uses eggs for the wet ingredient, where dried pasta uses water. As for bread, the theory behind the low/no carb diets is that most bread has a high glycemic index, releasing sugars quickly into your bloodstream, causing insulin spikes and hunger pangs. In any case, bread is more calorie-dense than most people realise, which is why it forms the core of so many traditional rural/peasant/labourer diets; great fuel for a labour-intensive lifestyle.

I do not eat much bread at all, these days (this is the first week in months where I have had a loaf in the house); when I do, I make sure it is wholemeal and stoneground. Spelt bread is particularly nice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 01 November, 2011, 09:08:46 am
Fresh pasta uses eggs for the wet ingredient, where dried pasta uses water.

Note: this will be their reasoning. I do not endorse it. Most westerners eat too much cereal of all kinds; pasta should be kept back to a small percentage of the plate. Italians mostly treat pasta as a small starter or side dish, not the greasy, guzzling main that you often see in the UK.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 01 November, 2011, 05:39:20 pm
Interesting, thanks folks.

Anyone else had success / failure with Slimming World?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 01 November, 2011, 08:07:55 pm
Italians mostly treat pasta as a small starter or side dish, not the greasy, guzzling main that you often see in the UK.

hmm, after visiting italy several times i have a different impression. typical italian dinner would include wine and water, antipasti (starter), primi (usually some pasta dish), secondi (main course) and dolce (desert) followed by espresso. pasta dish is a decent sized plate of pasta, i wouldn't call it a side dish. unfortunately i don't like the way italians cook pasta (al dente) and tend to skip it. i'm about to explode after finishing the main course anyway (but there's always room for desert!).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 02 November, 2011, 11:52:01 am
It seems reasonable to assume that pasta made with eggs provides more calories per gram than pasta made with water, but SW's advice looks bizarre to me - I don't see how that translates into being allowed to eat "as much dried pasta as you like". If anything, I'd have thought that the added nutrients from the eggs in fresh pasta would make it a better option than dried.

Anyway, as I think I've said already, I really don't hold with any diet based on cutting things out. (Big greasy guzzling bowl of spag bol lined up for lunch - good authentic British grub.)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 02 November, 2011, 01:45:38 pm
It seems reasonable to assume that pasta made with eggs provides more calories per gram than pasta made with water, but SW's advice looks bizarre to me - I don't see how that translates into being allowed to eat "as much dried pasta as you like". If anything, I'd have thought that the added nutrients from the eggs in fresh pasta would make it a better option than dried.

Anyway, as I think I've said already, I really don't hold with any diet based on cutting things out. (Big greasy guzzling bowl of spag bol lined up for lunch - good authentic British grub.)

d.

err. Water evaporates. Eggs have less calories per 100g than wheat so if it was going to make any difference, weight for weight, it would reduce the calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 02 November, 2011, 02:35:44 pm
err. Water evaporates.

Have you ever cooked pasta? ;)

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Eggs have less calories per 100g than wheat so if it was going to make any difference, weight for weight, it would reduce the calories.

I did wonder about that but am working on the completely unfounded assumption (ie guess) that the quantity of wheat flour for a given weight of cooked pasta is the same whether it's made with eggs or water.

If you're right and there are fewer calories in egg pasta, that just makes SW's reasoning even more bizarre.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 02 November, 2011, 02:39:29 pm
OK, just found this: http://thebalancedplate.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/fresh-pasta-v-dry-pasta/

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Nutrition Facts:  Cooked, 1 cup serving

Homemade Fresh Pasta    vs.  Dry Pasta

    Calories:          184       -     224
    Protein:           7.5 gm     -     8.2 gm
    Total Fat:         2.5 gm     -     1.3 gm
    Saturated Fat:    0.6 gm    -     0.2 gm
    Cholesterol:      58 mg     -     0 mg
    Total Carb:        33 gm     -     43.8 gm
    Sodium:           118 mg     -     1 mg
    Fiber:                2.8 gm     -     2.6 gm

So, assuming these figures are correct, there are fewer calories overall in egg pasta but more saturated fat. Maybe that's the difference as far as SW are concerned? Still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Of course, these figures are based on a volume measurement (cups), so don't answer the question about calories per weight.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 02 November, 2011, 02:55:12 pm
I think its the fat content SW are trying to get you to avoid. From what I can work out SW is essentially a low fat low sugar diet so nothing original there. What we like about it is the ease with which it can be followed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 02 November, 2011, 05:34:38 pm

So, assuming these figures are correct, there are fewer calories overall in egg pasta but more saturated fat. Maybe that's the difference as far as SW are concerned? Still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


Less carb, more fat?. Slightly puzzled by the protein %....I would have thought it would be higher in the fresh pasta.
Also, if you go along the zone/paleo principles, then sugar bad, fat (in moderation) good and they consider any grains being almost as bad as sugar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 02 November, 2011, 06:01:56 pm
Also, if you go along the zone/paleo principles, then sugar bad, fat (in moderation) good and they consider any grains being almost as bad as sugar.

Meh. Paleo-schmaleo. Any diet that excludes beer on the basis that cavemen didn't drink beer is automatically not worth considering.* (By the way, what was the life expectancy of the average caveman?)

If the SW system is based on helping you get a balanced, varied diet without too much fat or sugar, then it's probably quite sensible. And helping you choose foods containing the "good" unsaturated fats rather than the "bad" saturated fats is no bad thing either. But rules like "no fresh pasta" just sound a bit silly to me. YMMV.

d.

*Yes, I'm aware that some versions of the paleo diet make allowances for modern inventions such as alcoholic beverages but I'm an all-or-nothing kind of guy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 02 November, 2011, 06:37:20 pm

If the SW system is based on helping you get a balanced, varied diet without too much fat or sugar, then it's probably quite sensible. And helping you choose foods containing the "good" unsaturated fats rather than the "bad" saturated fats is no bad thing either. But rules like "no fresh pasta" just sound a bit silly to me. YMMV.

d.


Thankfully there are few silly rules and on the whole SW is very easy to follow. 

The fact is that the vast majority diet regimes will result in you loosing weight if you stick at them.  This is where some members of this household (no names  ;) ) have struggled in the past.  As SW is simple, largely faff free and not too stringent its being stuck at (thus far) and results are being achieved  :thumbsup: but there is some way to go yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 03 November, 2011, 02:21:42 pm
Slimming World had a big bag with two stone in weight in it.I picked it up and thought how easier my cycling would be if I could get rid of that much by April.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 November, 2011, 03:17:30 pm
Slimming World had a big bag with two stone in weight in it.I picked it up and thought how easier my cycling would be if I could get rid of that much by April.

That kind of thing is always an eye-opener. I lost 10Kg over the winter and early part of this year, and whenever I carried a 15Kg bag of heat-logs into the house, I was reminded just how much harder it is to carry extra weight around. If nothing else, it just makes you perpetually tired.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 03 November, 2011, 03:24:58 pm
I agree. At the beginning of the year I was a stone heavier and a 75 mile ride in February was quite an effort.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 03 November, 2011, 06:52:19 pm
Thus far I have lost 1 stone 10 lbs with SW.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 03 November, 2011, 06:59:41 pm
Also, if you go along the zone/paleo principles, then sugar bad, fat (in moderation) good and they consider any grains being almost as bad as sugar.

Meh. Paleo-schmaleo. Any diet that excludes beer on the basis that cavemen didn't drink beer is automatically not worth considering.* (By the way, what was the life expectancy of the average caveman?)

Oh, I don't buy the whole 'caveman' thing either, but I there's an increasing amount of indicators that modern grains might not actually be all that good for us.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 09 November, 2011, 07:14:23 pm
A week in Catalonia has done me no favours in the weight department, so I have to get back on the straight and narrow.
I have managed, in a week, to lose just about everything I put on in the week away, which is a start I suppose.
Spreadsheets with Weight Watchers Pro Points values are being fettled.   :(

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 November, 2011, 02:47:39 pm
I'm making steady progress towards my weight target, which is good, but I suffered the consequences this morning of paying too much attention to the numbers and not enough attention to what my body is telling me - as in not having a second helping of dinner last night, despite still feeling slightly hungry, because I was worried about going over my daily limit.

So, despite having a big bowl of porridge for breakfast this morning, I started to feel the symptoms of The Dreaded Bonk on the short ride from the station to the office, and by the time I reached work, it was developing into a full-on whitey. Not pleasant.

Lesson learned - I ate my packed lunch as soon as I got to work, and have just had a substantial proper lunch - special of the day in the staff canteen: cheeseburger and chips! Sod the numbers!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 10 November, 2011, 03:30:21 pm
Healthy attitude, there. I worry about the focus in this thread, sometimes. There's a fine line, in places, between the behavior of the active/athletic person monitoring their weight as an aid to their efforts and that of the anorexic. Sometimes people cross that line quite unwittingly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 11 November, 2011, 12:47:27 am
Same here, not counting numbers at all. And eating/drinking what I fancy.
15st1lb this morning, next week I hope to be under 15st for the first time in about 20yrs  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 11 November, 2011, 10:09:49 am
That'll be some milestone!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 November, 2011, 10:59:50 am
next week I hope to be under 15st for the first time in about 20yrs  ;D ;D

Good work!

I'm now under 12st for the first time in something like ten years, but then my peak was only around 14st. But I did get a comment yesterday from a female colleague about how svelte I'm looking. Which is nice.  :smug:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 11 November, 2011, 11:01:43 am
next week I hope to be under 15st for the first time in about 20yrs  ;D ;D

Good work!

I'm now under 12st for the first time in something like ten years, but then my peak was only around 14st. But I did get a comment yesterday from a female colleague about how svelte I'm looking. Which is nice.  :smug:

Well done, can i ask how long it has taken you to drop form 14st to under 12 ?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 11 November, 2011, 11:13:57 am
Was 15st this morning  :thumbsup:
Thinking about it, it's about 15yrs not 20.
Even so I'm still pleased about it  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 November, 2011, 11:56:14 am
Well done, can i ask how long it has taken you to drop form 14st to under 12 ?

Cheers - it's taken me the best part of two years, although I've lost nearly a stone since the start of September, which is when I started taking it a bit more seriously. Long-term target is 70kg (about 11 stone).

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 11 November, 2011, 12:04:00 pm
Well done, can i ask how long it has taken you to drop form 14st to under 12 ?

Cheers - it's taken me the best part of two years, although I've lost nearly a stone since the start of September, which is when I started taking it a bit more seriously. Long-term target is 70kg (about 11 stone).

d.

When you say you started taking it more seriously, do you mean more cycling or was this through other forms of excercise ? A lot of questions i know, but i used to be 12st 8 now at 14st 5 after quitting the fags, and can't seem to shift anything despite more cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 11 November, 2011, 12:09:22 pm
I know lots of people who are proper chunky monkies despite cycling loads. My own experience suggests you need to change the way you eat as well as clock up the miles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 11 November, 2011, 12:52:14 pm
Change your relationship with food; learn to love it and stop treating it like a cheap date.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 11 November, 2011, 01:16:11 pm
Change your relationship with food; learn to love it and stop treating it like a cheap date.

What if you aren't into the commitment thing, and a cheap date is all you are after? There's a right dirty pot of chunky monkey I have my eye on for tonight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 11 November, 2011, 01:27:03 pm
Just eat it then. But don't eat it every day  ;D
Yesterday I had 3 doughnuts at work as they were going to be wasted!! Not worried about it as I'm not on a diet.
I've just changed eating habits, the main one is to cut out the shed loads of bread I was eating. That's not religiously either as I had some last weekend when cycling.

Rich

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 November, 2011, 03:41:15 pm
When you say you started taking it more seriously, do you mean more cycling or was this through other forms of excercise ? A lot of questions i know, but i used to be 12st 8 now at 14st 5 after quitting the fags, and can't seem to shift anything despite more cycling.

Like Rich, I don't worry about what I eat, just how much of it I eat. You just have to be scrupulously honest with yourself. Which, admittedly, is a lot easier to say than do.

I find that keeping a food diary helps (I use mynetdiary.com).

d.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wonky on 13 November, 2011, 12:32:24 pm
I've been making steady progress since restarting the cycling, of just under 1lb per week.
Then one night out raving, and I dropped 3lb overnight! Totally skews my graph!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 16 November, 2011, 02:50:15 pm
mwah.hah.hah.hah http://www.trend-corner.com/index_flash.php?pid=471

Some people will probably buy these..........


(sorry it's in french, icba to find the UK version)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 17 November, 2011, 08:34:19 am
I've just changed eating habits, the main one is to cut out the shed loads of bread I was eating. That's not religiously either as I had some last weekend when cycling.
i've been reading this with interest. I've put on loads of weight recently and just had to get my size 18 clothes out of the cupboard, which means lots of my cycling stuff is a bit tight now.

I eat loads of bread. I wonder sbout having a go at reducing it significantly but what do I have instead? Lunch each day currently is french stick with ham or cheese (maybe a third of a french stick) or two rounds of sandwiches. I can't just eat the ham for lunch...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 17 November, 2011, 08:50:07 am
I eat loads of bread. I wonder sbout having a go at reducing it significantly but what do I have instead? Lunch each day currently is french stick with ham or cheese (maybe a third of a french stick) or two rounds of sandwiches. I can't just eat the ham for lunch...

Eat the ham with some salad, tomato, an avocado, some couscous or whatever you like in a salad, and follow with fruit.

When I'm paying more attention to my eating habits - I hardly ever eat bread. Another lunchtime favourite is soup. If I'm getting ready to audax, I'll probably "fortify" it with pasta.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 17 November, 2011, 12:08:38 pm
Ham's off.


 ;D

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 November, 2011, 12:33:36 pm
Ham's off.


 ;D

Spam's not Kosher but I wish Bezeq would stop bombarding me with junk...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 November, 2011, 12:42:56 pm
Another lunchtime favourite is soup.

I don't think it's bread per se that's the problem, rather it's how to eat enough to feel sated without piling on the calories. To that end, soup is ideal. Just don't have bread with it.

Another personal favourite is vegetable curry. Soften some onion (in veg oil, or you in water if you want to reduce the fat), stir in some Patak's curry paste (or curry powder to reduce the fat), chuck in a load of bulky vegetables - squash, sweet potato, swede, carrots etc - and a tin or two of tomatoes and simmer until the veg is cooked. Add some tinned chickpeas (very high in fibre, low in fat) and you don't even need rice or bread with it. Filling and highly nutritious.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 18 November, 2011, 06:31:15 am
I've definitely found that being careful with bread has helped. I limit myself to two slices of wholemeal per day, but I do slip sometimes.  I don't touch cake or biccies though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Riggers on 21 November, 2011, 12:24:21 pm
Weighed myself at Sainsbury's Friday evening, and have finally beaten the 12 stone barrier. Now way 11st 25lbs.  :thumbsup:

It's the only sensible way to look at these things.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 21 November, 2011, 06:39:09 pm
Bounced up a bit after coming off the Paleo, but have now stabilized it, with maybe 1lbs gain and hope to translate that into a more steady weight loss.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wonky on 22 November, 2011, 02:26:17 pm
Norovirus.

4.5 lb in 24 hours.

Effective, but NOT reccomended.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 22 November, 2011, 02:49:06 pm
Norovirus.

4.5 lb in 24 hours.

Effective, but NOT reccomended.

I can confirm that having a wisdom tooth out also falls under the ‘effective but not recommended’ category.

Typically I’d already got down to my target weight (I wanted to lose the 6kg that had crept on over the last year, by going to Spinning classes and controlling my portions carefully, and had all but managed it over a period of 3 months). But at least this will give me some wiggle room for Xmas!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 November, 2011, 04:58:13 pm
Weight lost by short-term starvation is easily and rapidly regained.
NSTN should be drinking rice pud, Yazoo! and Audax slops...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 23 November, 2011, 12:58:47 pm
I'm avoiding the scales at the moment :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 23 November, 2011, 02:31:29 pm
Not many people keeping up the weigh in, I note.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 23 November, 2011, 02:34:26 pm
Not many people keeping up the weigh in, I note.  :(
It's too cold to take your clothes off to stand on the scales.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 23 November, 2011, 02:37:33 pm
I managed it :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 23 November, 2011, 02:43:54 pm
I feel more inclined to do it when I'm actually making progress towards my goal.  :smug:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 23 November, 2011, 02:54:58 pm
I feel more inclined to do it when I'm actually making progress towards my goal.  :smug:

d.
This the main problem :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 23 November, 2011, 02:55:04 pm
Not many people keeping up the weigh in, I note.  :(
I allways do mine a day late on Thusday,thats when I go to SW.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 23 November, 2011, 03:05:17 pm
The Current Mrs R is still doing well at SW.  16lbs lost, 2 stickers gained  :thumbsup:   :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madeinleeds on 23 November, 2011, 04:48:32 pm
I haven't read all 138 pages of this thread, so might have already been covered, but I lost 7 kilo over 3 months, helped a lot by cutting out my daily ham & cheese sandwich/bagel and eating Ainsley Harriott couscous for lunch. I have had it now nearly every lunchtime for 4 months. I fear possibly not healthy for me, but neither I think is a large bread/cheese consumption. I recommend the one with the camel on the front, though I do have visions of Ainsleys face in my dreams now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 23 November, 2011, 10:40:17 pm
Taking a good look at myself, I realise that there is a good reason why I'm now finding it very hard to drop much below 71kg.  Reason is simple: I'm now as lean as when I was 68kg, a couple of years back, but with the addition of much more developed quads, traps and lats.  I don't actually have a pot belly any more, just some loose skin which is a permanent memento of the (hard to remember, now) time I was 25 kilos heavier.

Time to stop punishing myself and get back, carefully, on the strength training routine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 24 November, 2011, 06:21:42 am
I feel more inclined to do it when I'm actually making progress towards my goal.  :smug:

d.
This the main problem :-[

I seem to have plateaued at the moment, something to do with autume and the cold and the c*&^%$t food.

Need to be more focused on the goal not the now.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Aidan on 24 November, 2011, 06:36:30 am
I haven't read all 138 pages of this thread, so might have already been covered, but I lost 7 kilo over 3 months, helped a lot by cutting out my daily ham & cheese sandwich/bagel and eating Ainsley Harriott couscous for lunch. I have had it now nearly every lunchtime for 4 months. I fear possibly not healthy for me, but neither I think is a large bread/cheese consumption. I recommend the one with the camel on the front, though I do have visions of Ainsleys face in my dreams now.

Ye Gods!!!!! is it worth it?!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Aidan on 24 November, 2011, 06:39:03 am
I've lost 6 kilos in 3 months, but seem to have stalled a little in the last week. I wondered about the effect of the cold weather.  Anyway trying to refocus today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madeinleeds on 24 November, 2011, 12:38:04 pm
I haven't read all 138 pages of this thread, so might have already been covered, but I lost 7 kilo over 3 months, helped a lot by cutting out my daily ham & cheese sandwich/bagel and eating Ainsley Harriott couscous for lunch. I have had it now nearly every lunchtime for 4 months. I fear possibly not healthy for me, but neither I think is a large bread/cheese consumption. I recommend the one with the camel on the front, though I do have visions of Ainsleys face in my dreams now.

Ye Gods!!!!! is it worth it?!!!!  ;D

I guess theres worse celebrity chefs out there that could sneak into my dreams, not many mind..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 24 November, 2011, 06:39:41 pm
I've only recently restarted posting my weekly weigh-ins.  I have to admit that, when the numbers were going the wrong way, there was a great temptation not to bother.  I also have had on my to-do list for some time an action to go through the Weight Watchers 'Pro-points' books and work out how many points we're currently having and where we can cut down.  It's not the most exciting way of spending an evening and lots of other things keep being more important urgent.

But I am fed up with MrsC whinging about her weight so I suppose I should knuckle down...

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 27 November, 2011, 08:43:37 pm
I maintained last week, which was disappointing.

Trouble is I'm at the stage where I've run out of naughties to eliminate.  Being vegan, things like chocolate, cake and biccies are pretty much eliminated by default.

I guess I'll just have to put some more miles in, preferably of the more lumpy variety.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 28 November, 2011, 02:34:20 am
Despite resolving to stop the calorie deficit and go back to strength training, I find myself a shade under 70kg.  Whoops; need to recalibrate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 28 November, 2011, 03:01:56 pm
I maintained last week, which was disappointing.

Trouble is I'm at the stage where I've run out of naughties to eliminate.  Being vegan, things like chocolate, cake and biccies are pretty much eliminated by default.

I guess I'll just have to put some more miles in, preferably of the more lumpy variety.
When I was vegan I found cakes and the like an interesting challenge. An outlook that didn't help my weight. :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on 28 November, 2011, 03:59:10 pm
Right I'm back and getting my News Year's resolution in early.

I buggered my ankle up in April which kept me off any serious cycling all year so have ballooned from a not particularly svelte 92kg to 102kg. Trouble is that if you avoid the scales and have a Masters in Denial Studies you can avoid ever having to confront the fact.

So there's me -  in bed last night watching a YouTube video on the History of London Transport on the Android tablet and suddenly the picture changes to Jabba the Hutt .I've just turned on the camera and I'm looking at my chins from below :o :o

Arrghhhhh!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 30 November, 2011, 01:04:09 pm
Up 2.1 kg since my last report in September. Not too bad considering that between then and now I've had a broken ankle and thus cycling has been somewhat limited. Even without such goings on I do seem to veer towards the lardy stuff when it starts to get a bit nippy. I need to watch it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 30 November, 2011, 04:19:43 pm
Crikey!! Up to 75kg at my last weigh in. I just had to send back some trousers I ordered and get the next size up.  :o

Still, with an hbA1c of 6.9% at that same checkup, I'm over the moon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 November, 2011, 04:32:40 pm
So will your GP be, as you're under their target ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 01 December, 2011, 06:21:36 pm
Not a good week.  I was hoping to break the 14stone barrier, but  :face palm:

S

I would prefer to work in kg but I can't read the smaller numbers on the scales!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 02 December, 2011, 06:33:38 am
It looks like my gruelling (for me) 3 hour foray up Box Hill and the surrounding areas last saturday has worked,  5.5 pounds off this week.  After maintaining last week I'm highly delighted.

That leaves me 1 stone 3.5 lbs off target.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 15 December, 2011, 08:28:01 pm
I notice it's all gone quiet here.  Presumably we're all giving up for the festive season?
MrsC and I have decided that we will be back on strict Weight Watchers in the new year.  She will be looking for work again and having clothes which fit and are presentable would be a bit of a help. 

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 15 December, 2011, 09:01:39 pm
I'm not giving up for the festive season. Well, I will be on 25th, 26th, 31st and 1st. But actually, right now, I'm sticking to it with a rigour I haven't managed for most of this year.

I can't really waste any time. You know there's only 188 days till The Scottish Ride? I need to lose 106g/day!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 15 December, 2011, 09:05:29 pm
Still at 15st 15.2st midweek and after the weekend. Been the same for a few weeks.
Mind you I'm not really dieting, just changing eating habits. Not done much exercise apart from the very short commute so looks like I've found a level.
I've completely changed shape from a few months ago though and do plan to do more in the new year.

Rich
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 December, 2011, 02:35:02 pm
I notice it's all gone quiet here.  Presumably we're all giving up for the festive season?

Not exactly given up but have hit a bit of a plateau at around the 75kg mark, mainly due to lack of riding opportunities (and no other exercise) and indulging in a bit of festive cheer. I'm not going to worry too much if I don't shed any more weight before the end of the year, only if I start piling it back on...

Still, at the office Christmas party last week, a couple of people who I haven't seen for some months mentioned independently that they thought I was looking trim. Which was nice.  :smug:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 December, 2011, 09:49:58 pm
I'm not giving up for the festive season. Well, I will be on 25th, 26th, 31st and 1st. But actually, right now, I'm sticking to it with a rigour I haven't managed for most of this year.

I can't really waste any time. You know there's only 188 days till The Scottish Ride? I need to lose 106g/day!

Best of luck.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 December, 2011, 09:08:36 am
I've been reading the 'battling the bottle' thread, in the hope of picking up some tips. Not for not drinking, I very rarely drink (i've even somewhat flippantly wished I did, as, not having a great desire to drink, I'd be able to give it up  easily for instant effortless weight loss) but for dealing with unhealthy addictive behaviour.
Drinkers can go with a 'nothing' approach. So can smokers. Those of us whose weakness involves overeating, can't just stop.
Still, one day at a time seems to be the common thread, so I'll see how today goes. Yesterday was fine. Today I just have to manage the same.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bobb on 17 December, 2011, 04:25:57 pm
Drinkers can go with a 'nothing' approach. So can smokers. Those of us whose weakness involves overeating, can't just stop.

Oh really? What about when you're drinking so much that just stopping could kill you? You're on an NHS waiting list for a detox which is months long and you don't have a spare 15 grand to go private. You must keep drinking or risk going into seizure and potentially dying if you're not lucky enough to be taken to hospital in time. But you mustn't drink too much as you could die of alcohol poisoning. But you must drink something

You're lying in bed feeling like death. All you want to do is vomit. You have no strength. You need a sip of water. Fortunately you do have a glass of water by your bed. So you summon a huge amount of energy just to sit up - nearly fainting in the process. You reach out for the glass of water but your hands are shaking so much you can't pick it up. Evenentually you make a grab for it. You get it and pour some in your mouth, but most of it goes all over your face and your bed. You slump down again. That's a bit better.

Now I have to get a "proper" drink. I need to. I'll go into seizure if I don't. I don't want a drink - I feel too sick to think about it, but I have to do it. But I've run out of booze! I thought I had a bit of vodka left, but I can see the empty bottle on my desk! I need to go out and get some! Shit! It takes 10 minutes, but I eventually manage to slide myself around and sit on the edge of the bed. Right - clothes. Ok, on the floor. It takes an age but I get them on. I slide on some shoes. I'm standing now. I'm realy unsteady on my feet - but I'm up. Right, keys, wallet go. I get down the stairs now I'm at the front door. Shit - I hope nobody sees me. I practice speaking. I can't do it properly. Hopefully I can mumble something about vodka and they'll understand me in the shop. Thank fuck the shop is only at the end of the road. Outside it's freezing. I'm shaking and can't walk more than a few yards at a time. The panic attacks are now coming! Shit, this is insane! I eventually get to the shop. I successfully order some vodka. It's in my pocket! I can go home! I start stumbling back. I should have a sip now. I open it up, the smell makes me wretch. I take a sip. It's disgusting. I stagger on, stopping occasionaly, bent double as I'm about to be sick. Mrs Jones at number 47 is looking on disapprovingly. I get home and start making tiny inroads into the bottle. I still feel terrible and wonder if I should call an ambulance or not. After a few hours I'm starting to feel normal again. I can drink the vodka easily now. It's going down a treat. But I can't drink too much. I could die if I do. Take it easy. Fight it. Make sure you leave a little bit for tomorrow morning. Tired now. Back to bed. Same again tomorrow. And the next day. And the next. And the next. Until they can get me to detox. Unless of course I end up in hospital before then anyway......

So next time a plate of mince pies is put in front of you, have a think about it. Have a think about what an absolute piece of piss it is to just stick to one mince pie rather than two.

Greedy guts  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bobb on 17 December, 2011, 04:37:18 pm
By the way, that was supposed to be encouragement! I fully appreciate it must be incredibly difficult watching everything you eat in an attempt to lose weight - especially when you're hungry. But it must be piss easy in comparison to the living hell of trying to cut down on drinking when you absolutely have to.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 December, 2011, 05:56:02 pm
By the way, that was supposed to be encouragement! I fully appreciate it must be incredibly difficult watching everything you eat in an attempt to lose weight - especially when you're hungry. But it must be piss easy in comparison to the living hell of trying to cut down on drinking when you absolutely have to.
I'm not belittling your achievement, far from it. A year later, you don't drink.
A year from now, I'll still HAVE to eat. Every day. Two, three, four times. Just enough, but not too much, a knife edge. That forcing yourself to drink that you had to at first? It'll be like that forever. Forever. For the rest of my life, I'll have to be on constant guard.
Smokers can never smoke again. Alcoholics can never drink again, after that initial detox.
Every single day of my life I'll be presented with a temptation.
Drinkers can avoid situations where drink is present. Ditto smokers.

I, and nearly everyone else know that what alcoholics have is a kind of disease.

Fat people are pointed at in the street. It's just being 'weak-willed', a lazy bastard, a greedy guts.

This can kill me, too. Just slower.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bobb on 17 December, 2011, 06:48:38 pm
Every single day of my life I'll be presented with a temptation.
Drinkers can avoid situations where drink is present. Ditto smokers.

Every single day ex-drinkers and ex-smokers think about it. Every single day the temptation to nip to the shop is there. It's no different. it's impossible to avoid booze and fags completely. They're always there. Either in your mind or right in front of you.

I, and nearly everyone else know that what alcoholics have is a kind of disease.

Fat people are pointed at in the street. It's just being 'weak-willed', a lazy bastard, a greedy guts.

This can kill me, too. Just slower.

Let's say you have two people applying for the same job. Person A is a reformed alcoholic. Person B is a bit overweight. They are both equal in terms of skills as far as the employer is concerned. The employer needs to make a choice. S/he knows person B is a bit overweight and knows (somehow) that person a is an alcoholic.

You can bet your bollocks to a barn dance person B will get the job every time.

So stop moaning  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 December, 2011, 07:18:08 pm
Every single day of my life I'll be presented with a temptation.
Drinkers can avoid situations where drink is present. Ditto smokers.

Every single day ex-drinkers and ex-smokers think about it. Every single day the temptation to nip to the shop is there. It's no different. it's impossible to avoid booze and fags completely. They're always there. Either in your mind or right in front of you.
I'm an ex smoker. I can go days without thinking about it. Every day the temptation to smoke is less. I hardly ever fancy a smoke now, after 3 years.
I'll continue to have to eat every day.
The point is, you can rule them out. You can not have the one that leads to many. I'll never really be able to enjoy a smoke (I used to love smoking), because I'd start again. I can't ever not have the one item of food. I can fight to resist the many, the extras, but I can never do without the one that starts the urge.
There's a lot of posts from people on the 'battling the bottle' thread from people who know they can't have just one. They know that one will just lead to many.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 17 December, 2011, 08:29:05 pm
I don't think this should be about who's having the most difficult time. Both situations are very difficult, in different ways - and you're all doing better than me. I should really lose 5 stone but I'm really not motivated.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 December, 2011, 09:10:57 pm
I don't think this should be about who's having the most difficult time. Both situations are very difficult, in different ways - and you're all doing better than me. I should really lose 5 stone but I'm really not motivated.
You're absolutely right Kirst. Both situations are difficult. We'd none of us choose either, would we?

But you can't possibly be telling the truth. 5 stone? That's more than me!
And- if you're not bothered, it doesn't matter, does it? You're pretty healthy, aren't you?
Mr Smith has got to pull my lardy frame round a load of audaxes next year on the tandem, and he's getting on a bit. I need to make it as easy as possible for the poor old thing ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 17 December, 2011, 09:34:41 pm
No, really.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 18 December, 2011, 10:53:58 am
Re giving up for Christmas, I'm going to stick it out this week so I can reach my Christmas target of having lees than a stone to target, then just try to maintain.  I'd like to eat at least one mince pie.

Having a total of nine days off work isn't going to help.  I'd like to think there will be opportunities to get out and put some miles in, but realistically I can't see it happening.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 December, 2011, 10:49:25 am
Well, that's it.  Last weigh in for the year, and I only just scraped my first (rather unambitious) target, which had actually been a target last year.

I upped the mileage significantly, and that seemed to be helping, and I wasn't conscious of eating more (before this week, natch), though I guess I must have been.  Total weight loss for the year of approx 2.5kg.

Target for next year is 85kg.  I've got to get serious about this.  10kg loss over the year isn't impossible, and is advisable.

*heavy sigh*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 28 December, 2011, 11:08:33 am


Target for next year is 85kg.  I've got to get serious about this.  10kg loss over the year isn't impossible, and is advisable.

I take that to mean that your current weight is 95kg.
Coincidentaly(sp) I am 95kg according to this mornings weigh-in.I too need to do something about it since I feel a lot worse than only a couple months ago when I was 5kg lighter.

5kg is a lot of weight to get off the bike ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 December, 2011, 11:17:25 am
My current weight is precisely 95kg.  And there's too damn much of me. >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 28 December, 2011, 11:41:01 am
I'm dreading weigh in at SW tomorrow.  I'm just glad that the scales are not of the 'speak your weight' variety, if they were I'd be greeted with 'one at a time please!'.

I'm sure the post Christmas austerity will see normal service resumed fairly quickly. I'm almost glad to be back at work on friday, just to get back on the bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 28 December, 2011, 11:46:47 am
Well, that's it.  Last weigh in for the year, and I only just scraped my first (rather unambitious) target, which had actually been a target last year.

I upped the mileage significantly, and that seemed to be helping, and I wasn't conscious of eating more (before this week, natch), though I guess I must have been.  Total weight loss for the year of approx 2.5kg.

Target for next year is 85kg.  I've got to get serious about this.  10kg loss over the year isn't impossible, and is advisable.

*heavy sigh*

10kg over a year is a very sensible target for a 95kg person.  200grams a week.

This makes more sense to my pre-decimal brain in lbs/oz.  Just 1/2lb a week is 26 lbs a year.  Let's call that 2 stone. Doing that would put me into healthy BMI range.

1/2lb a week is very achieveable and a sensible "pace" to lose weight so there really are no excuses.

That's my plan.

Meanwhile I intend to continue to enjoy my rapid post-PBP weight gain until Jan 2nd.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 28 December, 2011, 11:57:52 am
there really are no excuses.

I reckon I could find one
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 28 December, 2011, 03:48:42 pm
there really are no excuses.

I reckon I could find one
I reckon I could find some chocolate on my way to find an excuse :-\.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 December, 2011, 03:52:22 pm
I did :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 28 December, 2011, 04:05:21 pm
Chin up, people. No one ever said it was going to be easy. In fact, it's bloody hard.

I'm kind of lucky at the moment in that I'm too poor to get fat - I treat myself to the occasional beer, but I can't afford to drink or eat as much as I'd like. This has been an unusually moderate Christmas for me.  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 28 December, 2011, 11:49:57 pm
there really are no excuses.

I reckon I could find one
I reckon I could find some chocolate on my way to find an excuse :-\.

I enjoy being slim and light more than I enjoy eating nice food in large quantities.  This is something my brain tricks me into forgetting.

My brain is my enemy, it tricks me into eating too much despite knowing I prefer to be slim.  I blame my caveman ancestors.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 29 December, 2011, 03:21:44 pm
Clarion, I think this is a perspective issue:
Total weight loss for the year of approx 2.5kg.

Take a step back. Ten years from now, if you've lost 2.5kg a year (or even most years, with a few NoChange thrown in) - how would that look? Pretty fantastic, I'd bet, especially compared to your (non-cycling) peers.

Keep Calm and Carry On!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 December, 2011, 03:44:24 pm
Thanks, matt.  That helps.

I re-started cycling at 116kg in 2006, so I have lost 20kg in that time, even if it does seem frustratingly slow at times.  Still got a good 10kg I can afford to lose.

Particularly appreciate your words of support. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 30 December, 2011, 11:48:51 pm
Well I just checked the scales at a whopping 122.4kg :( I think it's finally twigging that I need to do something about this diet wise as I've been kidding myself that I would cycle myself thin without changing my diet which isn't working.

I now know I prefer being able to cycle comfortably to eating large quantities, so I'm going for some decent reduction in mass this year. I've never really done dieting before (as my weight probably shows) so any pointers would be very welcome.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 31 December, 2011, 12:23:12 am
I keep peeking in here and thinking "My God! Why do they want to lose weight when they're already feathers?" and then thinking that I ought to do something about my weight.

Just looking at McShrooms 122kg made me think a bit more and I just bullied the scales to tell me how bad it is.  It's BAD! 127.8kg!
Last day of the Old Year and, I hope, Last Day of the "I'll deal with it Some time" attitude.
I've done some cycling on four of the last five days and it was made clear to me that the Brooks Bone was feeling it with the lard and gasping for breath on the slightest incline is not joyfull.
It's going to be a slow and difficult one but it has to be!  Be prepared for some Heavy Duty whining over the next year or so!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 31 December, 2011, 12:28:45 am
I think slow and difficult is what I'm resigned to as well, but I got myself into this state, so I suppose I should be able to get myself out of it again.

Well done on getting out on the bike. I've been travelling (without the bike) so haven't been cycling for a week. Something I intend to sort tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 31 December, 2011, 10:03:21 am
I've lost 3kg in the last 3 weeks and am therefore inspired by success.

I'm quite astonished that someone as fundamentally lazy and greedy as me has managed to lose weight over Christmas.

I'd be :smug: were it not that 3 kg are a drop in the ocean of lard, and there's a hell of a long way to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 31 December, 2011, 10:08:57 am
I've lost 3kg in the last 3 weeks and am therefore inspired by success.

You are my hero :thumbsup:

I've found your 3kg.It's hanging around my waist & moobs ::-)
That's an astonishing achievement at this time time of traditional gluttony*.It's also an incentive to keep on keeping on,is it not?

*it is for me anyhow:ymmv
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 31 December, 2011, 10:29:21 am
Having not made my target of 95 kgs  I aim to continue the weight loss but a bit quicker would be good.  12 kgs in 12 months is a bit too slow.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 31 December, 2011, 11:01:27 am
12kg in 12 months is not at all shabby.It has a certain symmetry don'tyathink?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 31 December, 2011, 12:00:27 pm
I have piled on the lard recently and need to lose 22kg. Have done it before (lost 51kg ten years ago, not all has yet returned) but it's harder to motivate oneself. This extra lard is due to less cycling and getting sloppy and eating whatever, whenever I want.

I have downloaded a good iPhone app to track my food (tried several before I located one that will suit) and hope that this inspires me to look a bit more closely at what I consume.

Well done boab, you've lost the weight I've put on recently!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 31 December, 2011, 12:22:17 pm
I've lost 3kg in the last 3 weeks and am therefore inspired by success.

I'm quite astonished that someone as fundamentally lazy and greedy as me has managed to lose weight over Christmas.

I'd be :smug: were it not that 3 kg are a drop in the ocean of lard, and there's a hell of a long way to go.


Well done!  Go on, be :smug:  I would.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 31 December, 2011, 02:08:45 pm
Some ppl say 3kg.  Others see half a stone.... which a) sounds more impressive and b) is pretty damn good IMO!

Apparently I've 'only' put on the best part of a stone over three months of being off the bike and glumpy.  That could have been worse  :-\
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 31 December, 2011, 02:19:14 pm
I'd be :smug: were it not that 3 kg are a drop in the ocean of lard, and there's a hell of a long way to go.

It's taken me four whole months to lose 6kg, so I'd say you have reason to be :smug:

And over Christmas, too. That's some feat of willpower.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jedrik on 01 January, 2012, 11:07:01 am
I keep peeking in here and thinking "My God! Why do they want to lose weight when they're already feathers?"

That's a question pretty easy to answer. Just look below:
Quote from: fboab
I'd be  were it not that 3 kg are a drop in the ocean of lard, and there's a hell of a long way to go.

and:
Quote from: Pedaldog
Last day of the Old Year and, I hope, Last Day of the "I'll deal with it Some time" attitude.

It's just like with every other addiction, it is a lot easier to nip in the bud. There is no point in procrastinating and making excuses, because once you piled up some lard this will then help to produce estrogen (even in men) and that in turn will help to keep you even more complacent and make it much harder to start the fight and keep fighting.

Go on, whine if it gets too hard. You are entitled too, you are fighting a serious opponent.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 01 January, 2012, 05:11:20 pm
I'm feeling a tad gutted having put on a whopping 8 lbs over Christmas, though only managing about 25 miles in nearly a fortnight won't have helped. 

I have had a few beers & glasses of wine and I don't doubt that the buffet style food that has predominated is deadly. Hey ho, at least it guards against complacency.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 01 January, 2012, 05:56:52 pm
I'm feeling a tad gutted

nice pun ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 01 January, 2012, 06:01:37 pm
I keep peeking in here and thinking "My God! Why do they want to lose weight when they're already feathers?" and then thinking that I ought to do something about my weight.

Just looking at McShrooms 122kg made me think a bit more and I just bullied the scales to tell me how bad it is.  It's BAD! 127.8kg!
Last day of the Old Year and, I hope, Last Day of the "I'll deal with it Some time" attitude.
I've done some cycling on four of the last five days and it was made clear to me that the Brooks Bone was feeling it with the lard and gasping for breath on the slightest incline is not joyfull.
It's going to be a slow and difficult one but it has to be!  Be prepared for some Heavy Duty whining over the next year or so!

JUNIOR  :smug: :smug:
I'm still heavier than you  :'(
But I start 2012 with 3 months away from home to get a fresh start on life. I shall try to get fitter and improve my low self-esteem and hopefully loose some of the natural insulation I seems to have added to my corpus.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 January, 2012, 06:04:35 pm
I'm feeling a tad gutted having put on a whopping 8 lbs over Christmas, though only managing about 25 miles in nearly a fortnight won't have helped. 

I have had a few beers & glasses of wine and I don't doubt that the buffet style food that has predominated is deadly. Hey ho, at least it guards against complacency.

Gandalf and any others who have gained large amounts of weight over Christmas:
DON'T WORRY, DON'T FRET!

It's not all fat; it's mosly water and glycogen.

You can lose most of this weight with a fortnight of sensible eating.

Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 01 January, 2012, 06:52:10 pm
Goals for 2012:
1) 115 Kg
2) 100 Kg
3)   85 Kg Which gives me  a BMI :sick: of 28
 ( But I've recently had a dexa scan that proved if I have a BMI  :sick: of 25 my fat % will be 0 )
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 January, 2012, 07:37:15 pm
Thank you, boab, for posting the 2012 thread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 01 January, 2012, 08:21:44 pm
Well I put myself on the weight loss reports thread and so it has to be :o.

I've marked my target as 85kg but I am not expecting that to be anytime soon! 

Maybe I couuld grow taller and that would look better? (5' 8" high and about the same wide!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 01 January, 2012, 09:42:12 pm
Thanks BOAB. I don't post targets because if I don't hit them I think 'stuff it', and eat chocolate ::-). No heavier is the main goal. Lighter would be good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 January, 2012, 10:06:18 pm
Graphs from Wednesday, hopefully.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 01 January, 2012, 10:29:20 pm
Yep, thank's for the thread boab   :thumbsup:

I'm committed now, although I'm useless at setting targets so I'll look at them after a couple months when I have an idea what I'm on about
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 January, 2012, 10:33:13 pm
I'm feeling a tad gutted having put on a whopping 8 lbs over Christmas, though only managing about 25 miles in nearly a fortnight won't have helped. 

I have had a few beers & glasses of wine and I don't doubt that the buffet style food that has predominated is deadly. Hey ho, at least it guards against complacency.

Gandalf and any others who have gained large amounts of weight over Christmas:
DON'T WORRY, DON'T FRET!

It's not all fat; it's mosly water and glycogen.

You can lose most of this weight with a fortnight of sensible eating.

Happy New Year!

Suppose you've been steadily gaining about a stone and a half over a 2 month period?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 January, 2012, 10:42:42 pm
I'm feeling a tad gutted having put on a whopping 8 lbs over Christmas, though only managing about 25 miles in nearly a fortnight won't have helped. 

I have had a few beers & glasses of wine and I don't doubt that the buffet style food that has predominated is deadly. Hey ho, at least it guards against complacency.

Gandalf and any others who have gained large amounts of weight over Christmas:
DON'T WORRY, DON'T FRET!

It's not all fat; it's mosly water and glycogen.

You can lose most of this weight with a fortnight of sensible eating.

Happy New Year!

Suppose you've been steadily gaining about a stone and a half over a 2 month period?

The first half stone is usually easy to lose. Losing more weight after that is often a demoralising slog...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 January, 2012, 12:36:10 am
Thank you, boab, for posting the 2012 thread.

You may want to amend your thanks as it appears I gave November 31 days  :facepalm:

I've corrected the code now if any pedants would like to switch it before we start weighing in on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2012, 12:41:24 am
Thank you, boab, for posting the 2012 thread.

You may want to amend your thanks as it appears I gave November 31 days  :facepalm:

I've corrected the code now if any pedants would like to switch it before we start weighing in on Wednesday.

I noticed that but didn't like to say anything. I think you've also re-elected Edward Heath's government* for the end of June. ;)

*For the Very Young, Heath introduced the 3-day week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 January, 2012, 12:58:03 am
Thank you, boab, for posting the 2012 thread.

You may want to amend your thanks as it appears I gave November 31 days  :facepalm:

I've corrected the code now if any pedants would like to switch it before we start weighing in on Wednesday.

I noticed that but didn't like to say anything. I think you've also re-elected Edward Heath's government* for the end of June. ;)

*For the Very Young, Heath introduced the 3-day week.

D'oh!
Sorted.
It's a complicated business, counting.
That and literacy: there is no longer a 22th of Feb.
I should leave it to the experts.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2012, 01:01:10 am
That's why I prefer the simpler chart. After all, we don't really need to know the exact date of every Wednesday, just as long as there's a space for every one of them in each month. 12 columns, 5 data rows, less screen clutter, all done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 03 January, 2012, 11:32:16 am
OK, so now I've posted up my current weight, and my target weight for all to see, there's less oportuntiy for slacking.... hopefully...

 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 03 January, 2012, 11:43:52 am
Damn!  Caught. :(

I went across the road to get the bits for my lunch (pitta, houmous, cheese, yoghurt etc), and someone forced me to buy a chocolate bar! >:(

OK, no one forced me.  I was weak and stupid and made a mistake based on habit.

No one forced me to eat it either.  Idiot. :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 03 January, 2012, 12:21:33 pm
I decided to take December off. Back up to 76kg (BMI 21.3). I could calculate my alcohol units over Xmas, but it would be ugly. So, a dry January, and a big (500-1000kcal) daily calorie deficit. I'm back on http://myfitnesspal.com. The slightly annoying this is that it's the same pattern as last year. I have no trouble losing weight, and don't struggle with motivation as long as I have a big ride coming up. However, as soon as I've got my big rides out of the way and Xmas is looming, I just can't be arsed and I start drinking like a fish. I find maintenance and moderation so boring. One odd thing is that I've discovered I'm still comfortably in 30" waist jeans whether I'm 68kg or 76kg. My excess calories just sit in my love handles.

I'm DrMekon on myfitnesspal if anyone else is joining up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 January, 2012, 01:04:56 pm
Just had a gym induction at Diss gym. It's quite small, but has everything I need (including 2x Concept II rowers - mine is on a sabatical as there's no room for it here) - so I signed up for six months of Gym & Swim; excellent value at £33 a month I think, and very convenient as it's literally 45 seconds walk from the flat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 03 January, 2012, 01:07:30 pm
Damn!  Caught. :(

I went across the road to get the bits for my lunch (pitta, houmous, cheese, yoghurt etc), and someone forced me to buy a chocolate bar! >:(

OK, no one forced me.  I was weak and stupid and made a mistake based on habit.

No one forced me to eat it either.  Idiot. :-[

Don't worry!  You'll burn it off riding home into the wind. ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 03 January, 2012, 02:05:03 pm
Damn!  Caught. :(

I went across the road to get the bits for my lunch (pitta, houmous, cheese, yoghurt etc), and someone forced me to buy a chocolate bar! >:(

OK, no one forced me.  I was weak and stupid and made a mistake based on habit.

No one forced me to eat it either.  Idiot. :-[

Don't worry!  You'll burn it off riding home into the wind. ;)
Exactly. I'm helping dispose of the gingerbread house at work which probably isn't going to help the diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2012, 02:18:26 pm
I've actually been hungry a couple of times in the past two days and I can feel the trousers slackening. However, there is still a lot of post-Christas cheese to get through, although we put quite a big dent in it just now at lunch time. The biggest bit left is about half a kilo of Stilton: the brie has now gone, as has the Jarlsberg and there's some organic Glastonbury cheddar left to go. IN addition, we have hardly started the nuts, but they are not quite so viciously fattening as is cheese. We have two more large meals to eat with P & W but when they depart on Friday I'l probably be fighting the dog for his kibble.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 03 January, 2012, 07:14:50 pm
Hmm, the works canteen doesn't help with the points thingy I'm trying to follow. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 03 January, 2012, 08:56:34 pm
I'm DrMekon on myfitnesspal if anyone else is joining up.
A few years ago I used a site called MyFoodDiary which I paid 6 dollars per month for.

I stopped the payments to that a year ago and had a look around for other sites. I downloaded an app by FatSecret but, as usual, the measurements were too USAian (what's a 'cup' of mushrooms, I deal in grams). I stumbled across MyFitnessPal and it works really well for me as although it has the 'cup' measurements (and also '1 serving' - how big is a serving?) it tends to also have grams. So far it works brilliantly!

I'm Auntie_Helen on there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 January, 2012, 09:15:04 pm
However, there is still a lot of post-Christas cheese to get through, although we put quite a big dent in it just now at lunch time. The biggest bit left is about half a kilo of Stilton: the brie has now gone, as has the Jarlsberg and there's some organic Glastonbury cheddar left to go. IN addition, we have hardly started the nuts, but they are not quite so viciously fattening as is cheese. We have two more large meals to eat with P & W but when they depart on Friday I'l probably be fighting the dog for his kibble.
This is a real parents excuse.

Food is just as wasted in you as it is in the bin, if you don't actually need it.

(Although much more enjoyable, obviously)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 January, 2012, 10:07:25 pm
I've signed up with myfitnesspal.com this time around. Livestrong never did get their Android app together, and the former seems to "know" all the foods I eat, and now I don't have a gym at home, a portable app is rather more important.

Well - I'm hungrier than a hungry thing, yet have blown today's calorie budget by 200 - so on that miserable note, it looks like myfitnesspal is right on the money :(.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: dasmi on 03 January, 2012, 10:09:45 pm
Hi'
 
none of us have a problem..........watching 74 stone woman on telly

jesus........pass the mince pies

dave
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 03 January, 2012, 10:15:05 pm
I'm still 2 stone over where I shoudl be, so not exactly a poster child for weight loss, so take this with a big pinch of condiment, but...

what I learned from the 'primal blueprint' is if you swap n calories worth of carbs with the same of protein or [shockingly] fat, you wont feel as hungry as quickly.  Dont eat grains like bread, cereal or pasta, have nuts, some meat or a boiled egg instead. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 January, 2012, 10:20:19 pm
I'm still 2 stone over where I shoudl be, so not exactly a poster child for weight loss, so take this with a big pinch of condiment, but...

what I learned from the 'primal blueprint' is if you swap n calories worth of carbs with the same of protein or [shockingly] fat, you wont feel as hungry as quickly.  Dont eat grains like bread, cereal or pasta, have nuts, some meat or a boiled egg instead.
Weight Watchers latest thing also sings from this hymn sheet. Their ProPoints plan is based on lots of fresh fruit & veg and more calories from protein.
I'll tell you how well it works in June.
Sigh.
I have a huge longing for some of that Christmas Cake I left at Mr Smith's.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 January, 2012, 10:23:52 pm
I have a huge longing for some of that Christmas Cake I left at Mr Smith's.

(burp)

Um... sorry? Christmas cake? Nah... it's all gone m'dear...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 03 January, 2012, 10:26:40 pm
@mike - there is a whole literature on satiety. Eggs are a good 'un

http://www.nutritionandeggs.co.uk/page/eggs_satiety

I used oats last year, and they worked for me. There's a diet based on low-calorie density, satiety promoting foods called the volumetric diet. I've read some papers by the researcher who wrote it, but never the book. I should get around to reading it.

@chris - unless you are 23 and from Idaho, I can't find you on there - what's your myfitnesspal name?

@Auntie Helen - cheers for the add.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 03 January, 2012, 10:40:56 pm
Oats are wonderful!  I love porridge, oatcakes, haverbread, oat bars, oaty cereals etc. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2012, 12:59:55 am
Right now I’m working on the graphing stuff a bit. I’m hoping to make the graphs roll over from 2011 to 2012 therefore showing the Christmas period rather than just the post-Christmas loss, I need to make it process 2011’s logs and 2012’s also.

Might be ready for the first weigh-in of 2012, certainly should be done this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 04 January, 2012, 06:26:53 am
Oats are wonderful!  I love porridge, oatcakes, haverbread, oat bars, oaty cereals etc. :)

I like the oat bran, it seems to reduce the cravings for longer.  There are still 3 tins of chocs in the office, but I have so far resisted,   O:-)

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 January, 2012, 11:08:51 am
I've signed up with myfitnesspal.com this time around. Livestrong never did get their Android app together, and the former seems to "know" all the foods I eat, and now I don't have a gym at home, a portable app is rather more important.

I'm using mynetdiary.com, which has a good iphone app. I might have a go with myfitnesspal.com to see how they compare.

Does anyone here use Fitbit? My wife is keen to try it.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 January, 2012, 11:12:54 am
...There are still 3 tins of chocs in the office, but I have so far resisted,   O:-)

Geoff

Hey - well done!  We normally get lots of chocs & biscuits from grateful patients, which we tend to share out at the Christmas Dinner, but they came much later this year.  We thought that hard times (hitting very hard in Southwark) meant that we wouldn't have much, but we got loads at the last minute!

It means we will probably have chocolates and biscuits to share on the side in the kitchen for months.

On top of the cakes people bring in when its their birthday.

And the occasional cakes from the patient who is a brilliant baker.

Oh shit :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 04 January, 2012, 11:14:05 am
I've signed up with myfitnesspal.com this time around. Livestrong never did get their Android app together, and the former seems to "know" all the foods I eat, and now I don't have a gym at home, a portable app is rather more important.

I'm using mynetdiary.com, which has a good iphone app. I might have a go with myfitnesspal.com to see how they compare.

Does anyone here use Fitbit? My wife is keen to try it.

d.

I'm really enjoying myfitnesspal you can invite friends and make things easier too. It also seems to know all the foods I eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 04 January, 2012, 11:21:28 am
Surprisingly, just under 85kg this morning.  I'll be picking up a digital scale today for more detailed readings and ease of reading as well.

I've just set up a simple graph for myself based on the weekly weights recorded here, setting a target line of 80kg and an upper limit line of 85kg.  If all goes well I should never cross the upper limit line this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 January, 2012, 12:22:08 pm
I've signed up with myfitnesspal.com this time around. Livestrong never did get their Android app together, and the former seems to "know" all the foods I eat, and now I don't have a gym at home, a portable app is rather more important.

I'm using mynetdiary.com, which has a good iphone app. I might have a go with myfitnesspal.com to see how they compare.

Does anyone here use Fitbit? My wife is keen to try it.

d.

It's been evaluated by some people here at work. I think its value is dependent on how much you like the numbers you get from self-monitoring, and the extent to which you benefit from the social side. A pedometer or accelerometer might do the same thing (ie give numbers) for a tenth of the price if she's not going to get caught up with the analysis and social stuff. I would really like one, but I'm resistant to paying all the extra over a normal triaxial accelerometer just for the web stuff.  EG here's one for £35 (http://activ8rlives.hostedbywebstore.co.uk/Activ8rlives-axis-Personal-counter-Black/dp/B006FVLVM4?traffic_src=froogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_source=froogle). The waterproof ones we use at work are £180!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 January, 2012, 12:26:44 pm

I'm really enjoying myfitnesspal you can invite friends and make things easier too. It also seems to know all the foods I eat.

I really like the food database they have. I find it's better than livestrong. The app is great for android too, whereas livestrong never got its act together. The cpommunity stuff is good too. Feel free to add me on there - username is Drmekon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 January, 2012, 12:35:05 pm
Does anyone here use Fitbit? My wife is keen to try it.

It's been evaluated by some people here at work. I think its value is dependent on how much you like the numbers you get from self-monitoring, and the extent to which you benefit from the social side. A pedometer or accelerometer might do the same thing (ie give numbers) for a tenth of the price if she's not going to get caught up with the analysis and social stuff. I would really like one, but I'm resistant to paying all the extra over a normal triaxial accelerometer just for the web stuff.  EG here's one for £35 (http://activ8rlives.hostedbywebstore.co.uk/Activ8rlives-axis-Personal-counter-Black/dp/B006FVLVM4?traffic_src=froogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_source=froogle). The waterproof ones we use at work are £180!

Thanks for the info. She already uses a pedometer, albeit not a particularly fancy one, but she's also keen on the sleep monitoring functions of the Fitbit. And the wireless uploading of data. She hasn't said whether or not she'd be into the social aspects of it but I have a feeling she would.

The question for me is not so much the cost of the monitor but whether it would be worth signing up for membership - £40 a year seems on the pricey side.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 January, 2012, 12:45:13 pm
Bloody hell, I hadn't noticed that.

FWIW, I know some of the big health/pharma companies are rolling out similar packages, and I strongly suspect they'll be heavily subsidised. You may find small players like fitbit fall by the wayside.

If you want to look into this stuff more, the Quantified Self blog is a great place to start.

http://quantifiedself.com/
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 January, 2012, 12:51:18 pm
If you want to look into this stuff more, the Quantified Self blog is a great place to start.

http://quantifiedself.com/

Excellent, thanks! I've forwarded the link to my wife. I expect she'll be very interested in that.

The latest post about Amelia Greenhall is interesting - tracking a moving ten-day average weight is more or less exactly what I've been doing for the past five months (only difference is that it's a seven-day average for me) and I've found it quite helpful/encouraging.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 January, 2012, 02:31:58 pm
I signed up for myfitnesspal.com with the username widdersbel. I also added DrMekon and Auntie_Helen as friends. Then I realised I'd accidentally signed myself up as a female. Unfortunately, it seems to be impossible to change your sex once you've signed up, so I've deleted that account and started again.  :facepalm:

I'm now signed up as a male with the username citoyen.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2012, 07:02:59 pm

Just to be awkward I'll use a space-saving slimmed-down chart.  ;)

If you’re being awkward then I’ll have to put in a work-around to the graphing programme to make sure it still works for everyone else who isn’t being awkward. Thanks.  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 04 January, 2012, 09:00:19 pm
During today's team meeeting, remarkably, I managed to resist the tempation of the swiss roll and the chocolate santas colleagues had brought in, and had a banana instead.

Disconcertingly worthy, but oh it felt good!  :smug:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 05 January, 2012, 09:32:28 am
I had a real struggle in the biscuit aisle yesterday. I could so easily have splashed out less than a quid on a pack of coconut snowballs and eaten the lot.
I contacted my sponsor and was reminded of the motivation.
One day at a time people. If we resist we'll reap the rewards.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 05 January, 2012, 10:19:08 am
Well done.  The problem is that there are no major heroics, just a great many little acts of forbearance.  I'll remind myself of this later.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 05 January, 2012, 10:22:54 am
I'm developing a strategy of "thinking oneself into thin-fit" ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 January, 2012, 10:37:12 am
The bourbons were being passed round yesterday afternoon. I resisted. The way to do it is to remind yourself that they're just a cheap confection of flour, sugar, fat and cocoa and not a genuine gourmet treat. The satisfaction of a bourbon biscuit is too minor and fleeting to be worth the calorific cost. If you're going to break the rules, at least make sure you're doing it for something that merits it. This is easier said than done, of course, but somehow I managed it.

The real test comes at lunchtime today when, apparently, we're getting a consignment of Domino's pizzas delivered to the office. Fortunately, I don't actually like Domino's pizzas all that much anyway*, but I'll still struggle to convince myself of the truth of that when they actually turn up...

d.

*they tend to be stodgy, laden with cheap meat of dubious identity and provenance, and the sauce they use is far too sweet for my taste; Pizza Express pizzas would be a different matter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 January, 2012, 10:40:04 am
I had a real struggle in the biscuit aisle yesterday. I could so easily have splashed out less than a quid on a pack of coconut snowballs and eaten the lot.
I contacted my sponsor and was reminded of the motivation.
One day at a time people. If we resist we'll reap the rewards.

Definitely. And just don't walk down the biscuit aisle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 05 January, 2012, 07:05:02 pm
Just got back from SW and I'm pleased to report a loss of 6.5 lbs this week.   I'm sure battling the wind this week has helped.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 05 January, 2012, 07:36:28 pm
I am coming to the conclusion that most of my 'empty' calories are from wine, and therefore eating the same but with no wine might in itself do the trick. I am planning to test this theory until memories of new year hangovers fade and my resolve gets put to the test.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 January, 2012, 07:47:13 pm
Just got back from SW and I'm pleased to report a loss of 6.5 lbs this week.   I'm sure battling the wind this week has helped.

WELL DONE!
Told you so...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 January, 2012, 08:12:47 pm
I am coming to the conclusion that most of my 'empty' calories are from wine, and therefore eating the same but with no wine might in itself do the trick. I am planning to test this theory until memories of new year hangovers fade and my resolve gets put to the test.

That's my strategy for January. I indulged somewhat enthusiastically in December. I note that Dave Millar is giving up booze for the year. I think I'll just see how January goes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 05 January, 2012, 08:14:03 pm
Yet again, fboab wishes she drank more, just so she could give it up.... ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 January, 2012, 08:19:01 pm
Yet again, fboab wishes she drank more, just so she could give it up.... ::-)

Careful what you wish for. It's Quite Hard to give it up, so it turns out.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 05 January, 2012, 08:30:24 pm
Yet again, fboab wishes she drank more, just so she could give it up.... ::-)

Careful what you wish for. It's Quite Hard to give it up, so it turns out.
I did this a few pages ago. It's easy to give up stuff you're not bothered about. I could give up pilchards any time too.
I think you can walk down the biscuit aisle without having to phone a friend, no?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 05 January, 2012, 08:39:24 pm
I was feeling quite smug when I got on the scales yesterday morning.  Only a pound or two up over Christmas.  Not been on the bike (or doing anything else physical) for several weeks.  That's not at all bad.  :smug:

Then I entered the weight into my spreadsheet for this year.   It's a copy of last year's so had last year's starting weight still in the first row. 
Half a stone over the year, and that from a base which was already causing trouser fitment issues.  :face palm:

And I've still not been on the bike yet this year.  So strict dieting is the order of the day from now on (or rather, back to the regime which helped last time). 
And I have already swum further this year than any year since 2007, so maybe this will work...

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 06 January, 2012, 06:13:52 am
Just got back from SW and I'm pleased to report a loss of 6.5 lbs this week.   I'm sure battling the wind this week has helped.

WELL DONE!
Told you so...

Thank you, you were certainly right on the money there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 January, 2012, 01:00:36 pm
After using myfitnesspal for a few days, I've come to the conclusion that on the whole, I like it better than mynetdiary. One thing I find particularly useful is being able to use the iPhone app offline, which you can't do with mynetdiary. Also the database seems to be better stocked, which I suspect is due to having more users.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 06 January, 2012, 01:20:07 pm
After using myfitnesspal for a few days, I've come to the conclusion that on the whole, I like it better than mynetdiary. One thing I find particularly useful is being able to use the iPhone app offline, which you can't do with mynetdiary. Also the database seems to be better stocked, which I suspect is due to having more users.

d.

Possibly more British users too - it seems very savvy with regard to UK Supermarket brand items.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 06 January, 2012, 01:26:14 pm
It doesn't take long to build up your own lists of regularly used items with MFP. Quite handy to be able to use pre-defined meals as well, especially if you eat the same thing for breakfast every day.

I'm going to have to start using it again. My tendency to eat more energy rich foods in colder weather is having the inevitable result. Still at 83.5 kg I am nowhere near the 92 kg or so that I was at this time last year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 06 January, 2012, 05:40:43 pm
Without the veg*nism thread, the top 5 threads on this board would be about "Weight", and 3 of those are stickies!

What does this say to the world about YACF cyclists?!?   :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 06 January, 2012, 08:15:14 pm
Considering how often the top five threads contain stories about CAIK, I'd guess the results are pretty obvious :)
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 07 January, 2012, 10:30:51 am
Well, my wife has got herself a Fitbit and I must say, first impressions are that it's a very nifty bit of kit with a good website to back it up. And signing up for premium membership doesn't seem to be necessary to use most of the features, which is good.

Also, coming soon (currently in beta testing), is the Fitbit myfitnesspal app.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 07 January, 2012, 04:07:37 pm
Well, my wife has got herself a Fitbit and I must say, first impressions are that it's a very nifty bit of kit with a good website to back it up. And signing up for premium membership doesn't seem to be necessary to use most of the features, which is good.

Also, coming soon (currently in beta testing), is the Fitbit myfitnesspal app.

d.

The Fitbit looks interesting, but I'm wondering whether the wireless tracker would know that you are cycling and be able to work out how many calories you are using given it won't give the same motion as walking. Is there a way to manually add cycled miles to the app if not?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 07 January, 2012, 06:11:17 pm
Well, my wife has got herself a Fitbit and I must say, first impressions are that it's a very nifty bit of kit with a good website to back it up. And signing up for premium membership doesn't seem to be necessary to use most of the features, which is good.

Also, coming soon (currently in beta testing), is the Fitbit myfitnesspal app.

d.

Looks good to me too! Maybe a good present for my partner. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 January, 2012, 06:51:49 pm

Just to be awkward I'll use a space-saving slimmed-down chart.  ;)

If you’re being awkward then I’ll have to put in a work-around to the graphing programme to make sure it still works for everyone else who isn’t being awkward. Thanks.  :P

I think a penny has just dropped: are you telling me that the purpose of that visually ... er ... idiosyncratic weight loss template is so that it can be automatically read by some sort of graphing tool? I'll use it if it helps in any way.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 07 January, 2012, 11:48:45 pm

Just to be awkward I'll use a space-saving slimmed-down chart.  ;)

If you’re being awkward then I’ll have to put in a work-around to the graphing programme to make sure it still works for everyone else who isn’t being awkward. Thanks.  :P

I think a penny has just dropped: are you telling me that the purpose of that visually ... er ... idiosyncratic weight loss template is so that it can be automatically read by some sort of graphing tool? I'll use it if it helps in any way.

Yep, you made him write a bunch more code  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 January, 2012, 01:34:00 am

Just to be awkward I'll use a space-saving slimmed-down chart.  ;)

If you’re being awkward then I’ll have to put in a work-around to the graphing programme to make sure it still works for everyone else who isn’t being awkward. Thanks.  :P

I think a penny has just dropped: are you telling me that the purpose of that visually ... er ... idiosyncratic weight loss template is so that it can be automatically read by some sort of graphing tool? I'll use it if it helps in any way.

Yep, you made him write a bunch more code  ;)

Not done it yet so it’s fine. I decided my tax return took priority. :)

I don’t find the idiosyncratic layout at all helpful in the code, actually (I didn’t come up with it), but now that I’ve spent the effort to make it work I’d rather not have to write any extra further code which I have to maintain in parallel in order to support another layout (or indeed further variants). I already had to do work to make boab’s x+10 or whatever from last year work, but now she’s putting the numbers in she should get a working graph for this year.

BTW, there should be no problem with adding additional whitespace in the correct places to make the layout work better - also some (all?) browsers allow the user to drag the editing window to be wider, which is helpful when entering weights as it avoids confusing wrapping. The programme ‘knows’ the calendar layout though, so any changes from that format will cause it to get things wrong.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 08 January, 2012, 02:28:46 am
MAJOR SATURDAY FAIL :facepalm:

I've spent the Friday night and most of Saturday doing much more than the prescribed dose of Opiate pain killers with the nasty head pain and in a spirit of "Oh, Sod it!" have had an evening of Pizza and Pringles!

Try again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 08 January, 2012, 02:14:16 pm
The tough thing 'dog, is not to let the day's failure make you give up.

It doesn't negate your previous efforts, you have to see it as 'a blip' and get back on, the next day.
Every day you resist is a victory.

[This is what I'm telling myself after my 'efforts' yesterday, anyway.]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 09 January, 2012, 12:54:15 am
I was so overjoyed at arriving at the pub today that I 'forgot' I had given up alcohol and ordered a pint. It was DoomBar ale though, hard to resist. In my defence I probably burned off it's calories and the roast dinner on the ride home.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 January, 2012, 10:39:48 am
The Fitbit looks interesting, but I'm wondering whether the wireless tracker would know that you are cycling and be able to work out how many calories you are using given it won't give the same motion as walking. Is there a way to manually add cycled miles to the app if not?

Yes, you can manually add exercises. The main purpose of the tracker seems to be to monitor your general activity level rather than specific exercises.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 09 January, 2012, 09:22:31 pm
MAJOR SATURDAY FAIL :facepalm:

I've spent the Friday night and most of Saturday doing much more than the prescribed dose of Opiate pain killers with the nasty head pain and in a spirit of "Oh, Sod it!" have had an evening of Pizza and Pringles!

Try again.

I wouldn't panic, I usually take liberties at the weekend  but get back on the straight and narrow during the week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 09 January, 2012, 10:28:37 pm
Many years ago (11, to be precise) I did a bit of a mega diet with the WeightWatchers points thingie and lost 8st 2lb in 10-and-a-bit months (and kept it off for five years or so!)  Four stone have crept back on so I am currently beating them into submission.

I'm not using WW but myfitnesspal this time - same concept (keeping a track of your daily calorie intake and exercise output). Being a cyclist this time round it's easy to burn quite a few calories, which is top.

The thing is, WW always said you should eat up your extra calories that you generate through exercise, but this time round I don't seem to need to do that. I end up with 500-800 cals free at the end of the day (I'm eating about 1900-2000, with 1700 as my target, but averaging 800 extra per day with all the cycling I'm doing). Does anyone know if this does matter? Or is the calorie deficit through exercise (bearing in mind I'm eating three square meals and a couple of snacks a day) fine and helpful?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 09 January, 2012, 10:33:35 pm
Many years ago (11, to be precise) I did a bit of a mega diet with the WeightWatchers points thingie and lost 8st 2lb in 10-and-a-bit months (and kept it off for five years or so!)  Four stone have crept back on so I am currently beating them into submission.

I'm not using WW but myfitnesspal this time - same concept (keeping a track of your daily calorie intake and exercise output). Being a cyclist this time round it's easy to burn quite a few calories, which is top.

The thing is, WW always said you should eat up your extra calories that you generate through exercise, but this time round I don't seem to need to do that. I end up with 500-800 cals free at the end of the day (I'm eating about 1900-2000, with 1700 as my target, but averaging 800 extra per day with all the cycling I'm doing). Does anyone know if this does matter? Or is the calorie deficit through exercise (bearing in mind I'm eating three square meals and a couple of snacks a day) fine and helpful?

Ive tried the fitbit and myfitnesspal apps for the past 2 days and found the myfitnesspals one much easier to log food on so I'm going with that. I was wondering the same thing as you, I ran a 1500 calorie deficit yesterday and a 500 calorie one today. I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but I've lost 1kg in 3 days  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 09 January, 2012, 10:40:04 pm
Had a bad day.  Also still have a chocolate bar in my saddlebag.  Which is still there, I'm pleased to say.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 09 January, 2012, 10:54:36 pm
Many years ago (11, to be precise) I did a bit of a mega diet with the WeightWatchers points thingie and lost 8st 2lb in 10-and-a-bit months (and kept it off for five years or so!)  Four stone have crept back on so I am currently beating them into submission.

I'm not using WW but myfitnesspal this time - same concept (keeping a track of your daily calorie intake and exercise output). Being a cyclist this time round it's easy to burn quite a few calories, which is top.

The thing is, WW always said you should eat up your extra calories that you generate through exercise, but this time round I don't seem to need to do that. I end up with 500-800 cals free at the end of the day (I'm eating about 1900-2000, with 1700 as my target, but averaging 800 extra per day with all the cycling I'm doing). Does anyone know if this does matter? Or is the calorie deficit through exercise (bearing in mind I'm eating three square meals and a couple of snacks a day) fine and helpful?
Are you hungry? If not, I'd say you're OK running at quite a high deficit.
I'd also check you're not overestimating your calorie consumption for cycling. What sort of level are you using? Most calorie counting things assume that cyclists are sporting cyclists rather than recreational cyclists, IYSWIM. I don't generally push very hard when I'm riding (I can almost always maintain a conversation/sing) and I'd be very surprised if I was using even as much as 500kcal/hr.
WW advise you to use your generated exercise points because if you're hungry you get demoralised and lose enthusiasm so are less likely to stick with it.

(Like you I lost 7 stone and 3.5 of it has returned. Begone, extra weight, I evicted you once, and you can gtf again).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 09 January, 2012, 11:15:34 pm
Today's the first day (evening) that I have been hungry so I did eat into more of my spare calories, I only had 400 over at the end of the day; yesterday I had 800.

I'm using my HRM to help estimate calorie consumption. Had a chat with Chris S about this and it may be overestimating but I note that now ai've got over the cold I had at the beginning of thenhear it's awarding me fewer calories. My HRM gives far fewer calories burned than the standard app 10mph average. Today I got 700ish for 2 hours' riding (21 miles).

I think you're right, hunger must be some sort of guide, although I often feel hungry when I really shouldn't. Like now, after the full roast I cooked followed by banana, ice cream and flake!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 January, 2012, 11:26:14 pm
I'd also check you're not overestimating your calorie consumption for cycling. What sort of level are you using? Most calorie counting things assume that cyclists are sporting cyclists rather than recreational cyclists, IYSWIM. I don't generally push very hard when I'm riding (I can almost always maintain a conversation/sing) and I'd be very surprised if I was using even as much as 500kcal/hr.

According to myfitnesspal, my four-hour ride on Sunday burned 3,000 calories, which I suspect is at least double what I actually burned. Out of interest, I entered the same ride data into livestrong and it reckoned I'd burned over 4,000 calories.  ::-)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 09 January, 2012, 11:38:36 pm
700 seems about right for 21 miles. Whether you take less than 1 hr or more than 2.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 10 January, 2012, 07:47:42 am
700 seems about right for 21 miles. Whether you take less than 1 hr or more than 2.

Hmm, are you sure about that? Of course there's a fixed component to the calories you burn, but aerodynamics is a huge hit. At 20mph something like 80% of your work on a normal upright is pushing air out of the way. Go a bit slower and you'll be doing considerably less work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 10 January, 2012, 08:30:12 am
myfitnesspal works out cycling calories by minutes but you have to rate the speed you rode at into categories depending on your speed and effort.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 January, 2012, 09:17:18 am
Well - it's always going to be a guesstimate - because each ride is different, and our bodies adapt as we ride more (we hope!).

I spent some weeks last year trying to get a more accurate figure for me by simply recording all my food intake, and only doing cycling as exercise. I picked a nominal 600 kcals per hour for cycling and tried damn sure to balance calories with expenditure. I put on a little weight in the first week, so adjusted the cycling burn figure down to 500 and repeated for another week. I eventually got to a figure of 400 kcals per hour - which is about 75% of the figure used by myfitnesspal for "moderate" cycling, and is exactly half what my HRM estimated.

Auntie Helen does her cycling lying down - so I suspect her burn figures will be different anyway; but in truth - these are all very personal things. If you want an accurate figure, you have to work out your own.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 10 January, 2012, 09:25:46 am
What I found was that the calories burned on MFP were only close to accurate (according to HRM) when I first started spinning, but the gap steadily widened as I got fitter and presumably more efficient. I do think my HRM is roughly right, because when I was carefully sticking to the calories I was allowed on MFP using the HRM as a guide for calories burned through exercise (so generally eating most of my exercise calories), I did lose 7kg.

I had six weeks off the spinning & cycling after the wisdom tooth op went a bit wrong (increased heart rate isn’t somewhere you want to go when you have a throbbing dry socket in your mouth) and then it was Xmas. I’m almost back to the calorie estimates of MFP being the same as my HRM again.

I am now at the weight I want to be, I ‘just’ need to maintain it. Myself and Rob are now on a bit of an austerity drive for various reasons, which involves much cooking from scratch and taking lunches into work, which will help a lot. Really I just need to curb my talent for making enormous amounts of chocolate disappear, which has started up again over Xmas and not wanting to go away.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 January, 2012, 09:53:14 am
I suspect you'd need a Powertap + HRM to get a true idea of the figures, but that would be more faff and expense than I can be doing with.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 10 January, 2012, 11:04:49 am
I've joined my fitness pal. When I've recorded what I ate previously it has helped - mainly because if you have to weigh the 'handful' of raisins or whatever, you are more likely to be careful about eating them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 10 January, 2012, 11:08:32 am
@citoyen

Probably.

I did a 110 km ride on Saturday at just over 22.5 km/h ave - which my velo8 said was about 1700 kcal, that sounds about right, but I'll assume it's a bit high.

Tesco diets rates the ride at over 2000 kcal (points equivalent) which I think is too high
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 10 January, 2012, 11:15:00 am
I see Fitbit are due to be releasing a WiFi scale in April.  That'll almost certainly push me to get it and the Ultra too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 10 January, 2012, 11:20:11 am
That's the thing about using MYF, i also think they way over estimate the calories burned through cycling. If you put in some figures such as cycling for 300 mins @14-16mph, it gives a figure as high as 4700, way way OTT in my opinion.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 10 January, 2012, 11:28:27 am

Are you hungry? If not, I'd say you're OK running at quite a high deficit.
I'd also check you're not overestimating your calorie consumption for cycling. What sort of level are you using? Most calorie counting things assume that cyclists are sporting cyclists rather than recreational cyclists, IYSWIM. I don't generally push very hard when I'm riding (I can almost always maintain a conversation/sing) and I'd be very surprised if I was using even as much as 500kcal/hr.
WW advise you to use your generated exercise points because if you're hungry you get demoralised and lose enthusiasm so are less likely to stick with it.

(Like you I lost 7 stone and 3.5 of it has returned. Begone, extra weight, I evicted you once, and you can gtf again).

Exactly. I set up a spreadsheet that has my BMR, a Harris-Benedict modifier, and my calorie intake, and I had to multiply MFPs calorie estimate for cycling by .6 to make it fit my weight loss. It's got to be based on an average cyclist on an average bike over average terrain in average traffic. I'm an audaxer on a road bike in Cambridge on rural roads where I never have to stop-start. No wonder it's so far off.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 10 January, 2012, 11:44:53 am

According to myfitnesspal, my four-hour ride on Sunday burned 3,000 calories, which I suspect is at least double what I actually burned. Out of interest, I entered the same ride data into livestrong and it reckoned I'd burned over 4,000 calories.  ::-)

d.

My calculation is...

Weight loss in KG = (calorie intake - (calorie output from MFP * modifier to fit historic data) + (BMR * Harris-Benedict))/7700

I've used the sedentary level for Harris-Benedict. Start with the MFP modifier at 1, and adjust it until the predicted numbers you get over time start to fit your actual weight.

I've put a blank copy of my spreadsheet here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13914122/2012%20Predicting%20weight%20loss.xlsx).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 January, 2012, 11:53:21 am
I've put a blank copy of my spreadsheet here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13914122/2012%20Predicting%20weight%20loss.xlsx).

Thanks for that, I'll have a go with it and see how I get on.

When I was using mynetdiary before Christmas, the figures seemed to match the pattern of my weight lossfluctuations much more closely, but I don't think that's because mynetdiary uses a radically different calculation - I suspect it's because most of my riding was on fixed, ergo every pedal stroke counted (no coasting down hills!). Maybe the formula these sites use assumes you're putting in that level of effort 100% of the time.

I haven't been out on the fixie since before Christmas though.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 10 January, 2012, 12:26:33 pm
I'm back on fixed this week. Definitely forces me to put more effort in. Going to do my first fixed 200km next month, so need to get the legs working.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 10 January, 2012, 12:37:48 pm
It depends how you ride.
I go at a slower average speed on fixed for the same effort. I don't think I use more calories, I don't put more effort in.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 10 January, 2012, 12:41:19 pm
<...> which involves much cooking from scratch and taking lunches into work, which will help a lot. Really I just need to curb my talent for making enormous amounts of chocolate disappear, which has started up again over Xmas and not wanting to go away.

this is almost a mirror image of my diet - good quality food cooked from scratch, fruits and veg, but far too much chocolate. i'm not too concerned about my weight as it stays fairly constant, but constant snacking on chocolate does no favours to my teeth..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 10 January, 2012, 01:15:05 pm
FWIW, one of the guys on MFP with an HRM who is also a fen dweller reckons MFP was estimating ~2250kcal for his commute, and his HRM derived figures are varying between 500kcal and 1600kcal.

Agree with the comment about Livestrong being worse. When I was using it, I was having to aim for a 1kg drop to get a .5kg drop on average.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 10 January, 2012, 09:40:22 pm
I'm dreading tomorrow morning and the results of last weekend's celebrations and too much chocolate this evening (I blame work for the latter).  :-\
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 11 January, 2012, 12:45:26 am
I'm dreading tomorrow, today now :-[ and blaming my weak willed, lazy, easy option taking SELF!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 11 January, 2012, 12:50:30 am
I'm dreading tomorrow, today now :-[ and blaming my weak willed, lazy, easy option taking SELF!

Try to start each day afresh, don't beat yourself up about yesterday. The only day you can change right now is today. Banish those negative thoughts you're having about yourself, they will drag you down!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 11 January, 2012, 06:22:59 am
I'm dreading tomorrow morning and the results of last weekend's celebrations Audax and getting to te tea rooms in Chipping Camden for the first time.  :-\

The caike was good and I felt that I needed the second lot.  :-[

Never mind today is a new day   :thumbsup:

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 11 January, 2012, 09:15:59 am
Well, 1.8kg off is a start: not a stunning start but its better to lose weight than to put it on like I have been over the last 5 months!!!

I had an interesting conversation with my doctor on Monday. Firstly, the doctor was impressed that I had got injured cycling (got knocked off by another rider on Saturday and suffered a bruised knee) when most people my weight, to quote her: “don’t get off the sofa.”

Anyway, when discussing my need to lose weight, the doctor said that given my height (or lack of it!), my target weight should be around 70kg. However, the doctor said that such a weight would look stupid on me and that nearer to 90kg would be just fine. Yes, I would still be considered obese but with the level of fitness I have, my body could carry it.

So, that’s my target weight, eventually. There is no point trying to lose 35kg in a hurry as I will just get depressed when things don’t go well the odd week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 January, 2012, 09:26:56 am
Big drop this week - nearly all due to being fully lurgied. Expecting it to bounce back up next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 11 January, 2012, 09:31:20 am
Ian, I've dropped 2kg (1.8kg since last weigh in) this year, and I'm very pleased with that!  1.8kg is a flying start. :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 11 January, 2012, 09:38:48 am
I felt really odd bonk-like symptoms yesterday evening, not sure I ate enough.

I ate porridge & fruit puree for breakfast, an average-sized portion of leftover homemade macaroni cheese for lunch, a satsuma and two squares of dark chocolate midafternoon. Plus several cups of green tea and a roobois tea with 1 sugar, and a couple of glasses of water. I had cycled to work, all of 2.5 flat miles (albeit on a heavy bike). Come 5pm, I was feeling really tired, and had the beginnings of hunger, but a spin class was booked so I cycled to the gym (only 2 miles) where I did the class, still feeling hungry. I felt really rubbish in the spinning class, like I had no energy or enthusiasm whatsoever – usually I am fine once I get going but not this time. I drank a bottle of water with a nuun tablet during the class and took the class really easy.

After the class the hunger had disappeared and been replaced by a weird floaty/not really here feeling. I got showered and changed as quickly as I could but felt like everything had slowed down and even struggled a bit with getting my socks on. I phoned Rob and asked him to get the dinner on, then cycled home (just under 4 miles). Got home and immediately raided the fridge for a yoghurt and oatcakes despite the fact that dinner was forthcoming. Then ate big plate of dinner (fish, steamed veg, potatoes) plus a bag of sugary popcorn and had a cup of sugary tea. After all that I felt much better and had more energy than I had all day.

I should have eaten another snack before I got to the floaty point, right? Like a banana or something. Stupid.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 January, 2012, 09:42:40 am
I should have eaten another snack before I got to the floaty point, right? Like a banana or something. Stupid.

Yes. HTH :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 11 January, 2012, 09:47:23 am
I should have eaten another snack before I got to the floaty point, right? Like a banana or something. Stupid.

Yes. HTH :)

It does help, I’m trying to get a hold on the snacking, and worry that I’m merely thinking up ways of justifying the snacks to myself! But it seems an extra snack on spinning days is required.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 January, 2012, 09:55:42 am
A proper bonk, where you start to malfunction mentally is a scary point. I remember a rider on LEL 2009 who'd ridden non-stop from London (except for card stamping) to Coxwold (411km) to make maximum use of the tailwind, and he was so bonked we (a) had to position someone behind him to catch him as his eyes were rolling back in his head as he stood waiting for me to stamp his card, and (b) had to feed him as he no longer had the cognitive ability to even do that.

The brain can only function on glucose. If your body loses the ability to keep the supply of glucose going, you start to feel faint, wobbly and no longer "with it".

Sugary snacks are OK under those circumstances because your body will immediately utilise the food - not store it.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 11 January, 2012, 09:56:23 am
I'm dreading tomorrow morning and the results of last weekend's celebrations and too much chocolate this evening (I blame work for the latter).  :-\

Good news / bad news

Bad news: my old (mechanical) scales reads -2kg compared with my new (digital) scales, which means I'm heavier than I thought.

Good news: only put on a fraction of a kilogram in the last week.

I'm not thrilled with my starting position, but feel confident in shifting a good bit of the holiday weight by the end of January.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 11 January, 2012, 10:00:53 am
5 weeks of exercise that hasn't been much fun and a great deal of what feels like deprivation, and this week I gain more than 2kg.
Admittedly I did have a (half a loaf of bread with butter and jam sized) blip on Saturday, but even so.

Not happy.
I think we can safely say that the WW points thing is not working for me, this time.

On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.
And quite pissed off, to be honest. Shit times, and I didn't wallow in chocolate, and I still get shit results on the scales.
Losing weight for me appears to be harder when I'm active and 43 than when I'm not and 35.
I'm really rather feeling that Life is Not Fair at the moment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jezzasnr on 11 January, 2012, 10:05:46 am
Drop of 1.3kg
Very happy with that. I'd given myself December off, and whilst i'd not gone daft, i had had a few treats.
Back on the diet now, starting to pick up the exercise again. I was expecting to be around the same, or just under.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 January, 2012, 10:13:52 am
I have a beautiful set of digital scales which give a variety of readings.

This morning, post evacuation, my weight ranged between 116.3kg and 117.9 in the space of about 2 minutes. In the end I decided to see if I could get the scales to give the same figure three times in a row and it did eventually, at 116.7kg, so that's what I used for today's entry.

That's 3.3kg (allegedly) lost since the end of last year, which fits in roughly with Hellymedic's description. Since Woolly & Peli have left us, the evening snacking has stopped and if I can maintain a habit of evenings free of food, then I will lose a lot of weight quite quickly. In the past, I've managed to get down to 103kg using that simple dieting technique but after that it's going to get a lot harder.

Yesterday evening I disappointed the lady at our choir practices who bakes cakes just for the tea break. I made do with a cup of coffee and that was that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 January, 2012, 10:24:00 am
I should have eaten another snack before I got to the floaty point, right? Like a banana or something. Stupid.

I refer you to the similar experience I had not so long ago...
http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg1089168#msg1089168

You need to listen to what your body is telling you. Sometimes, that means allowing yourself to pig out a bit.

Admittedly I did have a (half a loaf of bread with butter and jam sized) blip on Saturday, but even so.

If it's just a blip, that's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If you're being honest with yourself, you can see exactly where you've gone wrong, which should make it easier to rectify. Not a lot easier, granted - knowing and doing are different matters altogether - but at least you're not deluding yourself into thinking you're not having any blips.

Thing is, occasional blips aren't a big deal. As long as blips is all they are.

One of my biggest weaknesses is cheese. I'll happily slice a piece of cheese off the block to nibble on any time I'm passing the fridge. But being scrupulously honest and recording every last nibble helps to see how these individually insignificant blips add up to quite a significant number of extra calories overall. I've got to the point now where I at least think twice before opening the fridge, though I do still succumb every now and then.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 11 January, 2012, 10:29:39 am
Well 1.5kg since the start of the year, which isn't bad. I was worrying a bit when I decided to eat rather more of the stew I cooked last night than I was supposed to, but it doesn't seem to have had too much effect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 11 January, 2012, 10:34:19 am
On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.
And quite pissed off, to be honest. Shit times, and I didn't wallow in chocolate, and I still get shit results on the scales.

Go have a poo, they weigh your self again. It'll be a bit less shit, and you'll get better results!

Good to see you on MFP. There is a bike group on there that's worth joining if you think strangers cheering you on helps (I do- they are a very supportive bunch). Still, if we get enough YACFers on there we can support each other. I reckon making your diary public is a big help. Definitely gives me a check when absentmindedly looking in the cupboard late at night.

There's me, you, Chris, Feline, Citoyen, Auntie Helen. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 January, 2012, 10:53:21 am
Back in September, I started weighing myself daily instead of weekly. Seems a bit obsessive, I know, but it was really just out of curiosity. What I noticed was that my weight fluctuates quite a lot - it can easily vary by +/-1kg or more from one day to the next. As has been pointed out before, this is quite normal.

So I started keeping a rolling seven-day average. All the figures are plugged into a simple excel spreadsheet and graphs generated based on the results. I also added a trendline to the graph to show my desired plan. What I found was that the averaging ironed out the peaks and troughs in the graph (obviously) and showed a more steady trend in my weight loss. Very reassuring.

DrM posted a link to the Quantified Self blog recently. There was a video on there posted by a woman who has done something similar, except she keeps a ten-day average, so clearly it's not just me who's become an obsessive geek about this subject.

Fboab and Chris S, given your large weekly variations, I wonder if you might find it helpful to do something similar?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 11 January, 2012, 10:54:35 am
Yesterday evening I disappointed the lady at our choir practices who bakes cakes just for the tea break. I made do with a cup of coffee and that was that.

I find simple rules, like "no food after x pm" are really helpful in avoiding the mindless snacking that I fall in to. Current rules are

No alcohol in January
No chocolate in January
No crisps in January
No ice cream until after my first 200km of the year (mid Feb)
No snacks at work
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 11 January, 2012, 11:00:53 am
On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.
And quite pissed off, to be honest. Shit times, and I didn't wallow in chocolate, and I still get shit results on the scales.

Go have a poo, they weigh your self again. It'll be a bit less shit, and you'll get better results!

Good to see you on MFP. There is a bike group on there that's worth joining if you think strangers cheering you on helps (I do- they are a very supportive bunch). Still, if we get enough YACFers on there we can support each other. I reckon making your diary public is a big help. Definitely gives me a check when absentmindedly looking in the cupboard late at night.

There's me, you, Chris, Feline, Citoyen, Auntie Helen. Anyone else?

Me, Glasgowjim  :thumbsup:, but where's the group to join ? I've signed up as just over 2 years ago i was 12 st 10, quit smoking and put on 2 stone  :facepalm: now need to get back to at least 13 and bit stone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jedrik on 11 January, 2012, 11:11:51 am
Losing weight for me appears to be harder when I'm active and 43 than when I'm not and 35.
I'm really rather feeling that Life is Not Fair at the moment.
That is not necessarily a bad thing . Especially when you have done exercise you did not do before and are hurting because of it. Because then you body will need to repair tissue and strengthen it and one of the things he does in order to achieve that is flushing the afflicted parts with water. Which is what will make you sigh if you step on the scales as it can be quite a lot, but it will go once the job is done. You might watch how your weight changes with rest days and after heavy exercise and then only compare your weight under similar circumstances.

The other thing: Even slim women can store that much water in the last days of their monthly cycle and loose it within one or two days once menstruation starts.

Short version: You probably did well, don't fret.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 11 January, 2012, 11:25:14 am
I’m notsototalnewbie on MFP. Very happy to be ‘friends’ with you lot, I never really got into the forums there because I spend enough time online already. I’m pretty much on maintenance at the moment so I’m trying to make sure I don’t slide. My diary is currently private, but I’ve not logged stuff for the last few days anyway, mainly because I need to put in some homemade meals in and I haven’t done it yet. I’m not sure I want to make it public just yet anyway.

I've put on a kg since I restarted spinning but I'm not too bothered for the reasons outlined above. Boab, I think you are doing brilliantly!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 11 January, 2012, 11:39:58 am
fboab, I stepped on the scales this morning and had gone up almost a kilo. Now I have been sticking absolutely to the diet with no slips (January willpower is quite strong) and have been under my target calories every day for 10 days. I put this down to variations in water retention and possibly building a bit more muscle mass in my legs with the additional cycling I am doing.

Even if I weigh a kilo more, I actually feel much better/fitter/healthier this week than I did last week and it also feels as if my jeans are a tad looser. Maybe they aren't, but although initially rather disappointed by the scales (which can be a bit random in their reading) I am assuming that next week's weigh-in will show double the weight lost, hopefully.

Oh, and MyFitnessPal is very kind as if you lose weight it tells your friends "Auntie Helen has lost 0.6kg since her last weigh-in" but if you put it on it doesn't say anything!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 January, 2012, 11:40:20 am
Me, Glasgowjim  :thumbsup:, but where's the group to join ?

There isn't a yacf group but you can add other people as friends (I've added you and NSTN and if you accept me as a friend, you can link through from my profile to other yacfers).

I'm not really into the social side of it but as DrM says, it's quite terrifyingmotivational to know that other people can see what you're doing and witness any lapses.

Of course, if that's all a bit too Big Brother for you, maybe best not to add any friends. But you can keep your diary private if you like, even from your friends.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 11 January, 2012, 01:59:22 pm
I'm using mfp. It's good for keeping track of the snacking.

I think we can safely say that the WW points thing is not working for me, this time.

On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.
And quite pissed off, to be honest. Shit times, and I didn't wallow in chocolate, and I still get shit results on the scales.
Losing weight for me appears to be harder when I'm active and 43 than when I'm not and 35.
I'm really rather feeling that Life is Not Fair at the moment.

Sometimes it's like that. Really unfair >:(. My sister didn't get on with the most recent version of WW and one of the previous incarnations was a bit variable. I never found that using the exercise points worked - apart from anything I frequently earned the maximum for week in the first day. (I cycled the 23 mile round trip to the class ;D!) Sometimes a (brief) wallow in chocolate lets your body know that it's not on starvation rations so that it will start losing weight again [/unscientific anectdata that works for me (sometimes)]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 11 January, 2012, 02:01:11 pm
I am actually UP 0.3k! :o I know I have been in a self destructive mindset for a few weeks and, knowing what I have been doing, that isn't actually as bad as it could have been.
It all changes NOW! Next week I will have something positive to report.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 11 January, 2012, 05:27:45 pm
I'm not doing any structured diet plan 'cause I don't have the self discipline,a.k.a. ICBA

I'm simply eating less bread,biscuits & such like but more fruit & having smaller portions at breakfast & evening meal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 11 January, 2012, 06:00:32 pm
I'm not doing any structured diet plan 'cause I don't have the self discipline,a.k.a. ICBA

I'm simply eating less bread,biscuits & such like but more fruit & having smaller portions at breakfast & evening meal.

That's about as structured as my diet plan TBH. The main reason I'm recording it in an app is to make me aware of what is in my meals calorie wise, and for the 'if I eat this I will have to record it' factor. I find it much easier to do extra cycling than cook special meals. I am using the 'fail-safe environment' method of avoiding crisps and chocolate ...  they are not in the house.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 January, 2012, 06:04:32 pm
That's about as structured as my diet plan TBH. The main reason I'm recording it in an app is to make me aware of what is in my meals calorie wise, and for the 'if I eat this I will have to record it' factor.

Exactly the same here.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 January, 2012, 06:34:51 pm
I'm not doing any structured diet plan 'cause I don't have the self discipline,a.k.a. ICBA

I'm simply eating less bread,biscuits & such like but more fruit & having smaller portions at breakfast & evening meal.

That's about as structured as my diet plan TBH. The main reason I'm recording it in an app is to make me aware of what is in my meals calorie wise, and for the 'if I eat this I will have to record it' factor. I find it much easier to do extra cycling than cook special meals. I am using the 'fail-safe environment' method of avoiding crisps and chocolate ...  they are not in the house.

It's the OMG how much fat factor :)
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wonky on 11 January, 2012, 06:55:20 pm
90.6 Kg today. Thats 200.0 lbs!
A significant milestone in my mind.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 11 January, 2012, 06:56:53 pm
I'm not doing any structured diet plan 'cause I don't have the self discipline,a.k.a. ICBA

I'm simply eating less bread,biscuits & such like but more fruit & having smaller portions at breakfast & evening meal.

That's about as structured as my diet plan TBH. The main reason I'm recording it in an app is to make me aware of what is in my meals calorie wise, and for the 'if I eat this I will have to record it' factor. I find it much easier to do extra cycling than cook special meals. I am using the 'fail-safe environment' method of avoiding crisps and chocolate ...  they are not in the house.

It's the OMG how much fat factor :)

I don't need an app for that, I just need a mirror!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 January, 2012, 07:00:22 pm
I had thought of taking weekly profile photos of my massive belly so that everyone on here could watch it shrink! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 January, 2012, 08:02:44 pm
I'm not doing any structured diet plan 'cause I don't have the self discipline,a.k.a. ICBA

I'm simply eating less bread,biscuits & such like but more fruit & having smaller portions at breakfast & evening meal.

That's about as structured as my diet plan TBH. The main reason I'm recording it in an app is to make me aware of what is in my meals calorie wise, and for the 'if I eat this I will have to record it' factor. I find it much easier to do extra cycling than cook special meals. I am using the 'fail-safe environment' method of avoiding crisps and chocolate ...  they are not in the house.

It's the OMG how much fat factor :)

I don't need an app for that, I just need a mirror!

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id379516970?mt=8
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 11 January, 2012, 08:15:23 pm
90.6 Kg today. Thats 200.0 lbs!
A significant milestone in my mind.

Well done Parsley  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 January, 2012, 09:11:36 pm
On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.
And quite pissed off, to be honest. Shit times, and I didn't wallow in chocolate, and I still get shit results on the scales.
Losing weight for me appears to be harder when I'm active and 43 than when I'm not and 35.
I'm really rather feeling that Life is Not Fair at the moment.

IME (&YMMV) losing weight is much easier when inactive; no bonky badness!

Keep working on the weight loss but don't expect to ride a bike using hip fat as fuel; I never could.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 11 January, 2012, 10:04:41 pm

On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.


Have just signed up as well.  Now you can all watch me, when i get some friends.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 January, 2012, 11:24:04 am
Walked into the kitchen at work today, and there was a big box of doughnuts :(

Fortunately, they are Krispy Kremes, so I know they are completely inedible :D

Currently struggling with the temptation of my mid-morning chocolate.  I know it's only habit, but it's what I do. :-\

I know why it happens - MFP tells me that I burn more riding to work than I take on board from breakfast (even though that's not small).  But...MUST...RESIST...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 16 January, 2012, 11:30:50 am
Got a tub of peanuts here, so that's a handy and healthy alternative for me for the mid morning snack.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 January, 2012, 11:31:00 am
I have a similar urge which I'm also resisting. Apparently Paul McKenna hypnotises you (or rather teaches you to hypnotise yourself) into associating chocolate with turd. I'm not sure I could subscribe to that though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2012, 11:31:56 am
I showed great restraint yesterday at the afternoon tea stop.

There were delicious looking cakes in several varieties and all I had was a pot of tea. I was acutely aware that the proximity of the 11ses and lunch stops had caused my beans-on-toast to be closely followed by my chilli con carne. However, I could easily have demolished a large slice of chocolate cake.

This morning the scales rewarded me with a variety of weights between 115.1kg and 116.1 kg. That's at least 4 kg less than New Year's Day. According to a calorie calculator I found on line, I burned over 4600 calories yesterday. I probably consumed over 3000.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2012, 11:32:36 am
I have a similar urge which I'm also resisting. Apparently Paul McKenna hypnotises you (or rather teaches you to hypnotise yourself) into associating chocolate with turd. I'm not sure I could subscribe to that though.
I associate the two very closely. Indeed, all too frequently I am the agent that turns one into another.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 16 January, 2012, 11:34:20 am
I have discovered it is very hard not to comfort eat during night shifts. I ate many more calories during the two 15 hour shifts I just worked than I did on normal days last week. That's bad news when it's too icy to ride in and I don't yet have N+1 to fit ice tyres to. Back on the straight and narrow today after I have a sleep.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 January, 2012, 12:13:08 pm
Fortunately, they are Krispy Kremes, so I know they are completely inedible :D

Diabetes in a box!  :thumbsup:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 January, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
Managed to get over it, and ate a cereal bar I found in my bag instead. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2012, 12:21:46 pm
Lunch time now. There is still some increasingly ripe Christmas Stilton to get rid of. I am the only one in this hose to eat it.

I may be some time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 16 January, 2012, 12:35:08 pm
Fortunately, they are Krispy Kremes, so I know they are completely inedible :D

Diabetes in a box!  :thumbsup:

d.

No, diabetes doesn't work like that.

p.s. I tried Krispy Kremes once, they are disgusting. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 16 January, 2012, 12:40:15 pm
Managed to get over it, and ate a cereal bar I found in my bag instead. :-\
Can you get some apples or satsumas at lunch time so you've got something to pick at?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 January, 2012, 02:42:08 pm
Having prided myself on Steady Weight but No Exercise, (I had not weighed myself last year at all) it appears I have gained 10lb.
I am going to have to Be Sensible.
There are still three uneaten Chocolate Oranges from Christmas. At the rate we attack them, I don't think they are the cause of the problem.
Looks like I'll be a Diet Bore too...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 16 January, 2012, 03:21:29 pm
Apparently Paul McKenna hypnotises you (or rather teaches you to hypnotise yourself) into associating chocolate with turd.

That’s just bloody joyless that is.

Mid-morning isn’t my problem, because my mum brought me up to believe eating chocolate before midday was some kind of mortal sin. Mid-afternoon is though. And evenings.

I’m not going to pretend it’s quite as fun as gaily scoffing vast amounts of lovely choc, but mid-afternoon I’ve kind of got into the habit of eating a square or two of Sainsburys Taste the Difference swiss dark chocolate with orange (70% cocoa) instead of stuffing a whole bar of cheaper chocolate. It’s quite nice, but the slight bitterness stops my usual piggery and a bar of that can easily outlast the working week.

I wish I didn't like Krispy Kremes! Thankfully no one in this office buys them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2012, 05:16:09 pm
I've never tried a Krispy Creme. The name alone would put me off.

There's a place in Lpoo St that sells them. When Mrs. Wow and I were passing through a few months ago, two constables were in there, presumably on their morning break. By the look of them, they went there every day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 16 January, 2012, 06:35:26 pm
well I have been super-good all year so far, not once going over my daily calorie allowance for a 1lb per week loss, and in fact most days having 400+ calories spare (I've been doing 20+ miles on the bike per day to facilitate this).

Today I drove 130 miles to work, sat in the office as soon as I got there doing 5 hours of boring data entry, and am now sitting in a B&B about to go for a walk to find some food.

No riding today or tomorrow, thus no chance of staying within my calorie allowance, so I shall enjoy myself having a day or two off. I think I probably deserve it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 January, 2012, 09:17:39 pm
I've never tried a Krispy Creme. The name alone would put me off.

There's a place in Lpoo St that sells them. When Mrs. Wow and I were passing through a few months ago, two constables were in there, presumably on their morning break. By the look of them, they went there every day.

Krispy Kreme.  The Ks are important, like in Krusty the Klown.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 17 January, 2012, 10:30:04 am
Could be worse

(http://www.gloryholedoughnuts.com/images/logo.png) (http://www.gloryholedoughnuts.com/)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 17 January, 2012, 12:26:13 pm
We have LOTS of treats at work - to the extent of having a 'treats table' - if anyone does any fieldwork abroad they bring back local treats to share...

Since coming back to work this year I have refrained from partaking of any naughty snacks at work, and only now am I realising just how much I was snacking! :o

I'm now actually getting hunrgy between meals whereas before my grazing on snacks was keeping me far more topped up... and just over halfway through Jan it's beginning to feel slightly less of a battle to not eat the naughty snacks - hurrah!  :)

Remember - slim-ness awaits!



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 18 January, 2012, 05:56:01 am
Hurrah for weight loss!  Was worried that a combination of weakness at lunch time (been trying to skip lunch and failing) and a very late dinner last night would not have a good result.  Really do need to push myself these next few weeks as mid-Feb sees me off the bike and eating lots of hearty meals for a week and a half (on a holiday, of sorts).  I'd really like to hit that week closer to my target rather than start weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 18 January, 2012, 08:29:39 am
Lost 1.4kg this week making 3.2kilos since the start of the year.

Pleased with that as I have managed to exercise only once this week (in the gym... otherwise known as my garage) as my knee is still playing up and too painful to cycle on. I will give it until the end of the week and if its still not working properly, head off to the doctors.....glup.

I was wondering if I was brave enough to go swimming: used to swim a lot in the 1980's. Its the idea of getting my kit off (I'll leave some shorts on!) in public as to be honest, I don't look good without clothes on. My local baths have an over 50's session on Thursday lunchtimes (a nice 6 mile ride each way too when I am bike fit) so I might try that first.

Oh...got a business lunch today. Worried??? Me????
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 18 January, 2012, 09:09:57 am
Essexian - who gives a stuff about how you look at the pool.  It's PE, you're not meant to look good while you're doing it.  Just feel better and be a bit healthier as a result of having done it!  And just think how good for the core it is, as you suck the belly in as much as you possibly can for the sprint from changing rooms to poolside!

Although I will point out that the "not giving a stuff about peoples' appearances in the pool" Defintiely Does Not extend to the bloke that used to lane swim at our local pool wearing a flesh-coloured thong.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 January, 2012, 09:54:29 am
Essexian - who gives a stuff about how you look at the pool.  It's PE, you're not meant to look good while you're doing it.  Just feel better and be a bit healthier as a result of having done it!

+1

IME, it's gyms where you go if you want to show off how good you look in a leotard.

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Although I will point out that the "not giving a stuff about peoples' appearances in the pool" Defintiely Does Not extend to the bloke that used to lane swim at our local pool wearing a flesh-coloured thong.

 :sick:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 10:17:44 am
I should get swimming again.  My upper body has always been utterly weedy, especially in comparison with my legs.  But I find breathing difficult in the water.  Might be easier now I'm getting lighter.  I don't know.  Worth thinking about, even if it is dispiriting not being able to complete a length.

Yes, I did take swimming lessons at the age of 27 :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 18 January, 2012, 11:00:46 am
Worth thinking about, even if it is dispiriting not being able to complete a length.
So do a width.  Then another, then another... :)

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Yes, I did take swimming lessons at the age of 27 :-[
34 for me.  I could already swim, and swam loads, but only breaststroke with, I discovered, atrocious technique.
First ever length of front crawl took about 6 weeks to crack.  And did my first ever length of full stroke butterfly a bit later.  When I was 6 months pregnant with Xander!  Swimming lessons were great.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 11:12:24 am
Funnily enough, and for breathing reasons, although I was reasonably proficient at crawl, and swam a lot in the sea on holiday, I never mastered the breast stroke, so won precisely 0 swimming certificates at school.  Demotivated, moi? >:(

But when I went to University as a mature student, they had free swimming lessons, so I learned to do the breast stroke (a bit) before a move to Leeds and commuting meant I was unable to make the early lessons any longer.  My Tai Chi lessons were similarly curtailed.

I've not swum in a proper pool in years.  And most of the time when I have been swimming, I've had small kids to look after.  I'd be no good at going to a gym, as I can't get my head round going somewhere to do exercise rather than getting it out & about. ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 18 January, 2012, 11:16:53 am


Although I will point out that the "not giving a stuff about peoples' appearances in the pool" Defintiely Does Not extend to the bloke that used to lane swim at our local pool wearing a flesh-coloured thong.
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was it Hummers of this parish ;D

Essexian has put an idea in my head.The local pool is only 4km away.I'll check out the bike security when I'm next in town;although I could walk that distance & exercise a different set of muscles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 11:19:26 am
Ian, I am sorry.  Wrapped up in thoughts of swimming, I forgot to congratulate you on your impressive 3.2kg loss.  I've been trying very hard, and managed to lose 2.8kg.  Don't think I have the strength of will to match what you're achieving :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 18 January, 2012, 11:22:29 am
Really impressive losses from both of you. I've *never* lost weight that quickly :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 18 January, 2012, 11:23:42 am
I'm suprised to have lost a whole kg since last week.That'll be that yacf North Brum ride of 70km on Saturday.I wonder if the loss would have been more if I hadn't scoffed two bags of crisps* when I got home :demon:

* crisps were my cigarette substitute when I stopped smoking & are largely responsible,together with vanilla slices,for a weight gain of 20kg in the 12 months after becoming a non-smoker.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 18 January, 2012, 11:26:48 am
* crisps were my cigarette substitute when I stopped smoking & are largely responsible,together with vanilla slices,for a weight gain of 20kg in the 12 months after becoming a non-smoker.

My nemesis when I quit smoking was M&Ms. At least one, sometimes two, large family bags a day. I went from 12st to 17st in very short order  :facepalm:.

But losing the weight was MUCH easier than losing the fags  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 11:29:38 am
I feel so very lucky that I never became a smoker.  Doubly tough for those of you who did.  So kudos for overcoming it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2012, 11:35:34 am
I found smoking much easier to ditch than I find losing weight - which why I'm an 18 stone ex-smoker.

I've lost 5kg since 1/1/12 - exactly 115kg this morning. I think it goes to show exactly how much I was stuffing my face in the run up to the new year: I was tending to match Woolly portion for portion while they were here, and boy can that guy eat! Add to that the surfeit of Jarlsberg - that is such a lovely cheese! At times I was actually making an effort to eat when I was already full.

I reckon a kg or possibly two of that weight loss is the fact that I'm running with a half-full tank all the time.

Now for the hard bit...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 11:38:10 am
Wow, Wow!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 18 January, 2012, 11:43:32 am
I found smoking much easier to ditch than I find losing weight -


same here.
I found the symptons of nicotine withdrawal much easier to accept than being hungry.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 11:46:32 am
Currently struggling with the temptation of my mid-morning chocolate.  I know it's only habit, but it's what I do. :-\

I gave in a bit today with half a flapjack.  It'll get me to lunch :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 18 January, 2012, 11:49:27 am
Really impressive losses from both of you. I've *never* lost weight that quickly :(

maybe because at the lowest recommended bmi there's no fat left to lose? :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2012, 11:53:35 am
I found smoking much easier to ditch than I find losing weight -


same here.
I found the symptons of nicotine withdrawal much easier to accept than being hungry.

My smoking was a combination of being in a peer group of smokers, and stress. I didn't really start smoking until I started teaching, and at lunchtime the staff room was a fug. There was an amusing scenario frequently played out towards the end of lunch time: PE teachers, fresh from running lunch time sports sessions, would appear in the staff room about 5 minutes before afternoon school started. A Welsh lad invariably led the charge with "Bit smokey in 'ere!" whereupon he opened several windows. The senior teacher looked up from his cribbage game and responded "If you want fresh air, you go outside!".

In my second school, I think I was the only smoker and I only smoked at home. However, the stress levels were lots higher and eventually I left full-time teaching. About 9 months later I made the effort to stop smoking and it wasn't that difficult.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 18 January, 2012, 11:55:18 am
Really impressive losses from both of you. I've *never* lost weight that quickly :(

maybe because at the lowest recommended bmi there's no fat left to lose? :)
DrMekon hasn't always been the string bean he currently is...

I'm trying to view him as a success story.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jacomus on 18 January, 2012, 12:07:38 pm
The new year has started well for me - joining the gym by work (and going to it!) is feeling really good. At last I feel confident enough in my shoulder to start exercising properly again. Sadly though, I have lost so much strength and a not insignificant amount of fitness in the last six months. My weight has remained stable in absolute terms, but the composition has changed. I'm still 82kg though now I have less muscle and more fat round my tummy.

I've been so down following 2 shoulder dislocations last year, that I pretty much gave up caring about how much I was eating and what it was doing to my body. There were plenty of moments where I was in a 'fuck you, body - you let me down, now I'm letting you down' frame of mind.

I've started on the course back to being fit, strong and flat stomached, fully up for the journey. The bit I am struggling most with is the eating. I've never had a problem being hungry, it really doesn't bother me, but now I am actually 'catching' myself eating randomly (or more) when I don't need to and it is driving me up the wall.

Posting about it will likely help, so 'hi everybody!'

My goals are:

1) To get back to that irritating half-way house between 32 and 34in waist.
2) To reach 90kg whilst conforming to Goal 1
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 January, 2012, 12:15:18 pm
Don't wish to sound smug or make those of you who are struggling feel depressed but I'm another who has got off to a good start in 2012...

At the turn of the year, I was tipping the scales at just over 75kg. Don't quite know how I've done it, but I'm down to 72.3kg at this morning's weigh-in - which means I've almost reached the target I set for the end of 2011 of 72kg, and only a couple of weeks late. Pretty pleased with that.

Aiming for 68kg now. I'm already inside the healthy BMI range but I reckon 68kg will be pretty much optimum for me - and should make cycling up hills a lot easier, which is my main goal. No intention of going any lower than 68kg though.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 12:18:59 pm
Doesn't sound smug, but does sound like good news! :D

Reaching 'normal' range on a BMI chart seems a bit implausible for me.  I think I need to be about 82kg to do it.  Unlikely, but I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 18 January, 2012, 12:25:17 pm
Anyone lost 1.6Kg this week? If they have, give me a shout, I've found it.

I may have heard that eating is going out of fashion, soon, so I'm trying to get it all in now.  There's something about feeling sorry for yourself that is particularly unhelpful, especially when combined with not being able to ride. Ho hum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 January, 2012, 12:27:19 pm
Reaching 'normal' range on a BMI chart seems a bit implausible for me.  I think I need to be about 82kg to do it.  Unlikely, but I'll see what I can do.

BMI is a crude measurement anyway, not to be trusted. With the amount of exercise you do, you must be an awful lot healthier than your BMI would indicate.

I know I don't need to lose any more weight, but I'm aiming for "athletic", not just "healthy". I've been "athletic" in the past and I liked it. On the other hand, I don't want to end up like my colleague who, after a few years of strict dieting and intense exercise, got to the point where his doctor told him that his body fat level was too low!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 12:32:27 pm
I'm not healthy at all - just battling off long term conditions as fiercely as I can! ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 18 January, 2012, 12:38:51 pm
There's something about feeling sorry for yourself that is particularly unhelpful, especially when combined with not being able to ride. Ho hum.
Very much so. It's not called comfort eating for nothing.
Try getting a teddy bear and sucking your thumb?
Cake really hasn't worked for me.

(there may be elements of unhelpful facetiousness in this post)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 18 January, 2012, 12:56:04 pm

Cake really hasn't worked for me.



<<== will work for cake
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 18 January, 2012, 01:00:43 pm
Reaching 'normal' range on a BMI chart seems a bit implausible for me.  I think I need to be about 82kg to do it.  Unlikely, but I'll see what I can do.

BMI is a crude measurement anyway, not to be trusted. With the amount of exercise you do, you must be an awful lot healthier than your BMI would indicate.

+1

Simple BMI measurements mean nothing without a proper muscle-mass evaluation.

Lawrence Dallaglio was famously obese according to basic BMI calculations.  The fact he was basically 18 stone of muscle, when taken into account, meant he was perfectly healthy.

You will probably find that your legs add a large amount of your body mass in the form of (heavy) muscle.

 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 18 January, 2012, 01:34:50 pm
Reaching 'normal' range on a BMI chart seems a bit implausible for me.  I think I need to be about 82kg to do it.  Unlikely, but I'll see what I can do.

BMI is a crude measurement anyway, not to be trusted. With the amount of exercise you do, you must be an awful lot healthier than your BMI would indicate.

+1

Simple BMI measurements mean nothing without a proper muscle-mass evaluation.

Lawrence Dallaglio was famously obese according to basic BMI calculations.  The fact he was basically 18 stone of muscle, when taken into account, meant he was perfectly healthy.

You will probably find that your legs add a large amount of your body mass in the form of (heavy) muscle.
BMI is as good an indicator as any other.
We like to tell ourselves we're big boned, or carrying a lot of muscle, or have a low metabolism but they are mostly excuses.
Clarion ain't Dallaglio, I'm not Catherine Spencer, there's lard to shift on both of us.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 18 January, 2012, 01:36:29 pm
Ham (et al.)

I just love the German word for your situation: Kummerspeck (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kummerspeck)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 01:39:31 pm
Clarion ain't Dallaglio,

:o How very dare you! :p

Quote
I'm not Catherine Spencer, there's lard to shift on both of us.

Ok, fair. ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 January, 2012, 01:42:54 pm
I am 74kg. I should be less.
I'll report my progress occasionally.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 18 January, 2012, 01:52:42 pm
Really impressive losses from both of you. I've *never* lost weight that quickly :(

maybe because at the lowest recommended bmi there's no fat left to lose? :)
DrMekon hasn't always been the string bean he currently is...

I'm trying to view him as a success story.

Did have a BMI of 18 from about 17y - 24y old, thanks to lots of MTB and BMX
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/4931231097_4a3093a646.jpg)

Then I did a got married and started a PhD. I also discovered you could buy beer by the crate and that Ben & Jerry's Chunky Monkey is like crack. BMI of ~27
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4931231249_b80270b872.jpg)

I feel best below 70kg, so I aim for a BMI of 19. There is still plenty of love handle and backfat to spare even at the lower end of normal BMI, I promise. I dunno why I lose weight so slowly. Slow metabolism or something. I enjoy cycling and am enjoying getting back into running, so I don't mind that it's taking a while for me to get back to target weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 18 January, 2012, 02:30:41 pm
I’ve not been good this week. Been hungry more than I could cope with. I cannot help wondering if I should award myself more calories for cycling the heavy singlespeed Dutch bike round town, even if it is at a glacial pace for not-all-that-long ;D

I have talked my sister into coming spinning this evening on a free trial. I may have lured her with talk of how nice the changing rooms are and the fact that they have Very Fancy hairdryers and straighteners (this kind of thing Matters to my little sis moreso than dragged-thru-a-hedge-backwards me). She may not be talking to me by the end of the evening, but at least she can’t have ‘forgotten’ to ride that kind of bike…

Going to the spinning studio also means I get to have a weigh-in (I own no scales), so we’ll soon find out if I really needed the extra food I’ve been hoovering lately.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 18 January, 2012, 02:45:32 pm
I like your sticksupattheback haircut Dr.Mekon  8)

it's amazing what you don't see thru' the viewfinder that only becomes apparent afterwards  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 18 January, 2012, 02:49:48 pm
Well so far drastically reducing my wine intake has been a big success, 2.6kg down and another 5.1kg to go. I didn't manage to stay completely off it for long, but my limit is now 1 glass and not every night. I think it's not just the actual calories of the wine but the way it reduces your willpower not to raid the fridge that does it. Myfitnesspal seems to be a useful way of keeping tabs on what I eat and sometimes makes me decide against a snack I might have given in to otherwise. This regime is costing me in dog food however, I have doubled their mileage with the bike and had to increase their food to stop them getting skinny!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jacomus on 18 January, 2012, 02:55:58 pm
Well so far drastically reducing my wine intake has been a big success, 2.6kg down and another 5.1kg to go. I didn't manage to stay completely off it for long, but my limit is now 1 glass and not every night. I think it's not just the actual calories of the wine but the way it reduces your willpower not to raid the fridge that does it. Myfitnesspal seems to be a useful way of keeping tabs on what I eat and sometimes makes me decide against a snack I might have given in to otherwise. This regime is costing me in dog food however, I have doubled their mileage with the bike and had to increase their food to stop them getting skinny!

As well as calories, when your body breaks down alcomohol, it creates an enzyme that reduces your body's ability to use fat as energy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 18 January, 2012, 03:16:17 pm
Well so far drastically reducing my wine intake has been a big success, 2.6kg down and another 5.1kg to go. I didn't manage to stay completely off it for long, but my limit is now 1 glass and not every night. I think it's not just the actual calories of the wine but the way it reduces your willpower not to raid the fridge that does it. Myfitnesspal seems to be a useful way of keeping tabs on what I eat and sometimes makes me decide against a snack I might have given in to otherwise. This regime is costing me in dog food however, I have doubled their mileage with the bike and had to increase their food to stop them getting skinny!

Yes, I find there's a vicious "Now Eat Cheese" & "Now Drink Wine" cycle that starts when drinking wine or eating cheese.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 18 January, 2012, 06:34:27 pm
I found smoking much easier to ditch than I find losing weight - which why I'm an 18 stone ex-smoker.

I've lost 5kg since 1/1/12 - exactly 115kg this morning. I think it goes to show exactly how much I was stuffing my face in the run up to the new year: I was tending to match Woolly portion for portion while they were here, and boy can that guy eat! Add to that the surfeit of Jarlsberg - that is such a lovely cheese! At times I was actually making an effort to eat when I was already full.

I reckon a kg or possibly two of that weight loss is the fact that I'm running with a half-full tank all the time.

Now for the hard bit...

Totally agree. When i was a smoker i weighed 12st 8lb, 2 years after quitting i weighed 15st 1lb, i replaced the fags with empire biscuits and other sweet savouries. I don't mind going without the fags, but going without biscuits and crisps is what really hurts.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wonky on 18 January, 2012, 08:50:03 pm
Gained 1kg this week.
Apparently, it seems that cycling 100 miles/week is not enough to combat going to an 'all you can eat' chinese restaurant in Soho with a structured strategy to test the limits of the contract.
There may also have been some chip butties this week.

(there must be a way to have chip butties AND lose weight...wonders if marriage is strong enough to let me go audaxing...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 09:25:37 pm
Keep at it, Parsley.  It's just a fluctuation.  You know what's happened to cause it, so you know you can deal with it.  Looking forward to next week. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 January, 2012, 10:05:42 pm
A big Chinese meal carries a significant sodium load as well as its calories. This sodium needs much water before it is excreted. A litre of water weighs a kilogram.
It is unusual to eat more than about  2000 kcal (<250g fat equivalent) in a single meal (unless you're teethgrinder).

Keep going and you WILL lose weight.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wonky on 18 January, 2012, 10:11:02 pm
TY for the good words Clarion. I'm fully aware of the reasons for the gain. I'm not dissuaded at all.  I'll just have to be a little more careful for the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 January, 2012, 10:13:29 pm
Same here.  I'm being careful and I'm getting the miles in to buy more calories to eat! ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 18 January, 2012, 11:02:52 pm
Ham (et al.)

I just love the German word for your situation: Kummerspeck (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kummerspeck)  :thumbsup:

Perfect.

Ich bin eine kummerspeck
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 19 January, 2012, 08:33:12 am
Ich bin auch ein Kummerspeck!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jezzasnr on 19 January, 2012, 08:38:31 am
a small, .2kg, gain. not really what i'd hoped for, but previous experience was that these things lurch along sometimes, so will not start to panic just yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 19 January, 2012, 08:47:33 am
your weight can vary by .2kg or more during the course of the day depending on activity & food/water consumption.

I try to weigh myself at the same time of day on a Wednesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 19 January, 2012, 10:38:52 am
A fluctuation of +/-0.2kg from one weigh-in to the next is meaningless. You need to look at the trend over a longer period.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 19 January, 2012, 10:45:37 am
your weight can vary by .2kg 2kg or more during the course of the day depending on activity & food/water consumption.

I try to weigh myself at the same time of day on a Wednesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 19 January, 2012, 10:49:30 am
I weigh myself on a Wednesday morning, before breakfast, though after I've been to the toilet.  I place the machine on the same tile every time to minimise variation, and usually take the measurement twice to confirm.

It's never an exact science, but reducing the variables is a good idea.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jezzasnr on 19 January, 2012, 11:07:19 am
sorry, do appreciate that it's just a nominal change of no consequence, but i'd been expecting to dropp a fair bit. should of made that more clear.
as i said, just going to to keep on keeping on & see what next week brings.

having said that, two bags of chilli choc cookies / chunky choc shortbread are in the office on the next desk. there's 2 of us + 1 visitor here today. pray for me, i am weak...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 19 January, 2012, 11:15:53 am

as i said, just going to to keep on keeping on & see what next week brings.



yes,be  8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 19 January, 2012, 12:15:15 pm
I think the consequences of 'good weeks' and 'bad weeks' take about 10 days to show up, unless you are just starting, so it can be very demoralising if you've tried hard or falsely give the impression that you've 'got away with it' if you've gone off course.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 January, 2012, 02:22:43 pm
your weight can vary by .2kg 2kg or more during the course of the day depending on activity & food/water consumption.

I try to weigh myself at the same time of day on a Wednesday.

When I was a bored Medical Student, I weighed myself on Accurate Hospital Scales before and after a Big Leak.
I lost 850g in 5 minutes...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 19 January, 2012, 06:24:07 pm
Variations due to different times of the female cycle can also make a mahoosive difference. There is always one week of the month where I am 1-2kg heavier than the others. This is sometimes followed by a dramatic drop in weight afterwards. Fluid retention  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Frank on 19 January, 2012, 11:00:20 pm
One more for MFP.  It looks a really useful tool, and I find it easy and interesting to record such things in an app - at the moment I use Drinkaware to keep an eye on the grog and  mycyclinglog as a cycling diary.  I've accepted the default of one pound per week which seems sensible.  At the moment I'm 11st 9 and would like to be nearer to 11st. I've grown man breasts over the last year or so - not very nice  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 20 January, 2012, 01:26:46 pm
Added you on MFP
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 20 January, 2012, 07:32:57 pm
One more for MFP.  It looks a really useful tool, and I find it easy and interesting to record such things in an app - at the moment I use Drinkaware to keep an eye on the grog and  mycyclinglog as a cycling diary.  I've accepted the default of one pound per week which seems sensible.  At the moment I'm 11st 9 and would like to be nearer to 11st. I've grown man breasts over the last year or so - not very nice  :-[

+1
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 20 January, 2012, 09:12:17 pm
Ok, it's that time again :(
I feel like a bloated walrus and I want to murder someone for no reason whilst simultaneously eating choklit.
I spent the entire afternoon wanting to put to sleep my epileptic dog who has had 2 fits since 2am, and rehome my daft Cockapoo who refused to come on his walk this evening because I had shouted at him for jumping up with shit on his feet. He has diarrhoea at the moment caused by eating some of the tinned food I am using to disguise epileptic dog's tablets in. I am trying to convince myself to do nothing and re-evaluate the situation in a few days time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 20 January, 2012, 09:25:30 pm
A belgian bun (Gregg's finest) is 420 kcal.

Worth every one.

Nom.

I'll be riding this weekend for enough that as long as I don't eat jelly babies over the whole route it should be OK.

And Feline- you know it'll all be different in 48 hours..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 20 January, 2012, 09:49:45 pm
Ah, happy memories of wrestling a shit-covered Cam into the bath after she had a 'dietary indiscretion' and spread it all over the flat  :facepalm: She wore a muzzle for some time after that to stop her eating any more rubbish.

Anyhow. I have been so hungry the last few days and I have no idea why. And I had another weird lightheaded moment during spinning this evening, and had to eat some emergency snackage after. And I'd been snacking all afternoon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 21 January, 2012, 09:14:12 am
Hurray!

The not snacking on naughty stuff, ignoring the 'treats table' at work, trying to eat more healthily more generally, and in more moderation, oh,  and a bit of cycling, appears to be working

Down from 74.5kg to 72kg ;D and I've not been able to ride to the station as much as I'd hoped thanks to having to collect sprogs from after school meetings and attend parents' evenings, meaning I've had to drive rather than ride a couple of times. Overall, a positive start and I'm starting to feel like someone who can resist naughty snacks rather than it being an enormous effort the whole time.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 21 January, 2012, 09:43:36 am
... and I'm starting to feel like someone who can resist naughty snacks rather than it being an enormous effort the whole time.

:thumbsup:

It's great when that happens  :thumbsup:
We had a pile of cakes and other naughties at work yesterday and I managed to resist, even though I'm bored out of my skull there at the moment.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 21 January, 2012, 06:20:15 pm
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP,  but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.

Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow.  That will shift some calories.

Geoff

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 21 January, 2012, 06:22:16 pm
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP,  but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.

Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow.  That will shift some calories.

Geoff

I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 January, 2012, 06:28:25 pm
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP,  but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.

Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow.  That will shift some calories.

Geoff

I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!

Pigging out before exercise could help build some nice glycogen stores, enabling more calories to burn the next day. You would have to be stricter on your exercise day though...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 21 January, 2012, 06:30:15 pm
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP,  but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.

Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow.  That will shift some calories.

Geoff

I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!

Pigging out before exercise could help build some nice glycogen stores, enabling more calories to burn the next day. You would have to be stricter on your exercise day though...

It often works out that way anyway, since if I'm riding the bike all day I have limited chances to snack, and then I CBA to cook much to eat afterwards!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 January, 2012, 06:41:47 pm
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP,  but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.

Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow.  That will shift some calories.

Geoff

I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!

Pigging out before exercise could help build some nice glycogen stores, enabling more calories to burn the next day. You would have to be stricter on your exercise day though...

It often works out that way anyway, since if I'm riding the bike all day I have limited chances to snack, and then I CBA to cook much to eat afterwards!

That's fine until The Vorax1 emerges midweek. Please not to eat your mother or children.

1) The animal whose voracious appetite knows no bounds...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 21 January, 2012, 07:37:08 pm
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP,  but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.

Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow.  That will shift some calories.

Geoff

I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!

Pigging out before exercise could help build some nice glycogen stores, enabling more calories to burn the next day. You would have to be stricter on your exercise day though...

It often works out that way anyway, since if I'm riding the bike all day I have limited chances to snack, and then I CBA to cook much to eat afterwards!

That's fine until The Vorax1 emerges midweek. Please not to eat your mother or children.

1) The animal whose voracious appetite knows no bounds...

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 22 January, 2012, 06:59:18 am
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP,  but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.

Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow.  That will shift some calories.

Geoff

I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!

Pigging out before exercise could help build some nice glycogen stores, enabling more calories to burn the next day. You would have to be stricter on your exercise day though...

I did that on the Poor Student, but did not eat enough at the first control, and by the second one it was to late, even though I pigged a bit in Chipping Camden, I was still short of energy for the last leg.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 22 January, 2012, 11:25:33 am
Spinning evenings are also quite good because going to one, showering after, and cycling home take up a lot of potential snacking time. Also, if I keep my heart rate down in the 'fat burning' zone, I don't get the 'Vorax' effect days later either. But I don't always manage that.

Went to a birthday party last night. I think I was ever so good; I had two vodka, lime and sodas and thereafter just fizzy water. I also ignored the table of fried foodstuffs apart from one solitary prawn cracker (I'd cooked us a proper dinner beforehand). We did cycle to and from the party which gave a further incentive to keep the alcohol levels down as well as a small handful of extra calories burned (it was only 2 miles each way!).

I have another birthday party today though, more strength needed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 25 January, 2012, 08:57:05 am
The downward trend continues.It encourages the continued abstinence of biscuits , ice creams & other snack-crap combined with smaller portions at meal times.
I've re-learned that drinking water can combat hunger pains.
I'm also eating more fruit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 25 January, 2012, 08:58:35 am
The downward trend continues.It encourages the continued abstinence of biscuits , ice creams & other snack-crap combined with smaller portions at meal times.
I've re-learned that drinking water can combat hunger pains.
I'm also eating more fruit.
That sounds good jogler! I'm following a similar plan :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 25 January, 2012, 09:17:51 am
Same also applies to me  :thumbsup: by giving the biscuits/chocolate and crisps a miss it has helped me continue the small loss per week plan.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 25 January, 2012, 09:30:28 am
No booze, choc, or ice cream. Min of 2 litres of water per day and ludicrous quantities of oats is my recipe.

Despite running at a minimum of 1200kcal deficit, I continue to lose .5kg a week. At least my running legs are coming back.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 25 January, 2012, 09:32:35 am
No weight loss for me this week, which given that I lost 7lb in the first two weeks, isn't unexpected really.

Will try harder this week, although with weight loss, you can not starve yourself or things go wrong.

Managed to stay away from the chip shop for 28 days now..... its been hard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2012, 09:52:43 am
Only 400 grammes this week. As I mentioned last week, this is where it starts to get tough. The easy bit is cutting out the evening snacks. Deciding to stop eating at meal times when I'm still hungry is the bit I really hate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 25 January, 2012, 10:05:27 am
Still sat at 15st here, been around that mark for weeks. Though that is an overall loss of 2.5st since July, more would go if I stopped snacking crap and drinking at the weekends  ;D

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 January, 2012, 10:40:12 am
Linear progress since new year, pretty much.  No chocolate, or crisps or fried breakfasts.  A few biscuits :-[

But I'm wary of going too far under my target each day in case I blow it by getting fatigued.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 25 January, 2012, 10:44:58 am
Well not a good week for me this week, up 400g :( Spending the whole week off the bike and two days in hotels (and not overcoming the lure of the biscuit tin a couple times)with work didn't help.

Oh well, time to get back onto the plan, and I'm off to buy some better food scales to get my portions sizes back under control. Since my digital ones died a couple weeks back and I stopped measuring things the weight loss has been noticable by its absence, so I think I now know my main problem.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 25 January, 2012, 11:06:30 am
I'm still finding it relatively easy and have lost 4kg since the beginning of January (haven't weighed myself for a week so here's hoping there's some more lost as well). However, the only reason I am succeeding is that I am, without fail, cycling 20 miles per day to earn myself 700-800 calories, plus walking the dog (good for another 100). I can't exist on just 1660 calories a day, but with the extra that I earn I am managing to finish each day with a reasonable calorie deficit (usually 400-500) which seems to be working. This is a deficit over the amount MyFitnessPal says I should eat to lose 1lb a week, which is I think a 500 calorie deficit over 'remain the same'.

What's been fascinating to me is realising HOW MUCH I was eating during the day in the run-up to Christmas. Not portion sizes particularly (they are still huge - I like my spuds and veg) but biscuits, nuts, other nibbles. I reckon I was taking on board at least 1000 calories per day in nibbles. And having lots of cake.

Thank God for bicycles!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 25 January, 2012, 11:49:17 am

Thank God for bicycles!

Amen!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 25 January, 2012, 11:54:45 am
Well I put on weight this week despite having 1000 uneaten calories on MFP some days. But this is my 'fat week' of the month always so I look forward to seeing it disappear over the next few days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jezzasnr on 25 January, 2012, 12:00:46 pm
heading down again this week. Not by much, but that was the plan.
Also have tidied up my double posts in the thread as requested Feline.
Sorry Miss....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 January, 2012, 12:01:09 pm
Oh bloody hell!  There's a huuuge tube of jaffa cakes in the kitchen! *wibble*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 25 January, 2012, 12:12:28 pm
heading down again this week. Not by much, but that was the plan.
Also have tidied up my double posts in the thread as requested Feline.
Sorry Miss....

Didn't mean to tell anyone off, was just concerned the thread would be mahoosive by the end of December! :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 January, 2012, 12:25:47 pm
It's traditional at work to buy donuts / cakes etc on your birthday. My birthday is on Saturday this year and I'm on holiday Friday and Monday.

I might buy 40 donuts. That will teach 'em.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jacomus on 25 January, 2012, 12:26:49 pm
I was highly fatigued last week, due to overdoing my calorie deficit, which meant that I only went to the gym once :facepalm:

This week I have been to the gym once and am going again today, though I have been over eating. D'oh! I expect about another week or so of fettling my diet + exercise + sleep regime to get it sorted to something I can sustain.

Something that is really bugging me at the moment is my (unusual) inability to wake up early enough to go the to the gym before work. I blame my body getting used to exercise again, hopefully it will sort itself out asap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jezzasnr on 25 January, 2012, 12:33:02 pm
heading down again this week. Not by much, but that was the plan.
Also have tidied up my double posts in the thread as requested Feline.
Sorry Miss....

Didn't mean to tell anyone off, was just concerned the thread would be mahoosive by the end of December! :D

I know. I'm just a bit slow sometimes....

It made perfect sense once you'd said it.
Title: There is poo in Jaffa Cakes
Post by: DrMekon on 25 January, 2012, 01:24:42 pm
Oh bloody hell!  There's a huuuge tube of jaffa cakes in the kitchen! *wibble*

There is apparently a hypnosis technique that works by associating snack foods with the aroma of faeces. The behaviour change technique that I do my research on relies on automatic associations, so could work to induce a pop "popup". If you want to try it, it would work like this.

Say aloud "IF I see a jaffa cake, THEN I will smell poo"
Then visualise the Jaffa cake in the kitchen, and then imagine poo (go overboard and really try to get a rich image of it in your mind, perhaps focusing on the aroma).

That's it. It should make thoughts and smells of poo come into mind when you see Jaffa cakes, which should put you off eating them.

I have heard that they do actually put poo in Jaffa Cakes too.
Not really, just trying to be helpful
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 January, 2012, 01:28:40 pm
I've just managed to have a fairly healthy lunch in there without touching another jaffa cake :thumbsup:
Title: Re: jaffa cakes smell of doggy poo
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 25 January, 2012, 01:33:47 pm
Just doing my bit


I wonder how long before this appears in google hits on jaffa cakes?
Title: Jaffa poop
Post by: clarion on 25 January, 2012, 01:35:26 pm
Don't you mean 'Google shits on Jaffa Cacks'? ;D
Title: Re: There is poo in Jaffa Cakes
Post by: jogler on 25 January, 2012, 01:37:45 pm


That's it. It should make thoughts and smells of poo come into mind when you see Jaffa cakes, which should put you off eating them.



It shouldn't be difficult given that Jaffa cakes are crap,the food of Satan.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2012, 01:59:52 pm
I've never understood the attraction of jaffa cakes either. Poor quality cake, lousy imitation of marmalade... can't comment on the chocolate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 25 January, 2012, 02:05:49 pm
I’m not sure I want to lose the joy I get from eating jaffa cakes by thinking about poo, though! I buy the ‘pods’ of 6 mini jaffa cakes. Opening another pod is like a psychological barrier, so I’m less likely to overdose on them than if I’d bought a packet of full-sized ones. I tend to allow myself one of these pods a day.

Of course, this is both more expensive and contains more packaging, which also irritates me. Really shouldn’t be so pathetic. And I’m not banning myself together, because that way lies obsessing about them before finally cracking and buying all the jaffa cakes I can lay my hands on and then Rob will come home and find me with semi-comatose with jaffa cake all round my mouth not unlike the lapsed nun in the ‘Lent’ episode of Father Ted….
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 25 January, 2012, 02:14:42 pm
Of course, this is both more expensive and contains more packaging, which also irritates me. Really shouldn’t be so pathetic. And I’m not banning myself together, because that way lies obsessing about them before finally cracking and buying all the jaffa cakes I can lay my hands on and then Rob will come home and find me with semi-comatose with jaffa cake all round my mouth not unlike the lapsed nun in the ‘Lent’ episode of Father Ted….

Of course, having made the association above, your vignette is now prompting deeply unsettling images. I won't be eating Jaffa Cakes for a while.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 25 January, 2012, 02:16:20 pm
Good. I'll have your share.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 25 January, 2012, 02:47:39 pm
ANy suggestins for someone who has been desensitised to the smell of poo? I spent 4 years working in waste water labs, I've got to the stage where the smell of faeces isn't particularly repulsive.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Snakehips on 25 January, 2012, 02:55:44 pm
ANy suggestins for someone who has been desensitised to the smell of poo?

How about the smell of the Linden tree in full bloom ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hedgebanger on 25 January, 2012, 03:00:07 pm
What sort of cakes do they eat in Jaffa?  Will they have Jaffa cakes in Jaffa ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 January, 2012, 03:28:50 pm
Yafo (Jaffa) is the old name for Tel-Aviv (officially Tel Aviv-Yafo). All manner of cakes are made and eaten there. I believe Osem molish Jaffa cakes nearby...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 January, 2012, 03:46:59 pm
Aye, but jaffa cakes ain't made there:

Quote
McVitie's brand products are now manufactured in five United Kingdom factories: the two former McVitie & Price factories in Harlesden and Manchester, a former Macfarlane, Lang & Co. factory named Victoria Biscuit Works in Glasgow, a former Carr's factory named The Biscuit Works established 1831 in Carlisle, and the McVitie’s Cake Co. factory (formerly Riley's Toffee Works) in Halifax.

Not sure which factory produces them, though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 January, 2012, 04:03:09 pm
I like Jaffa Cakes, although I take Wowbagger's point - judged objectively, they're a cheap industrial food product, not a genuine gourmet treat. Reminding myself of this fact is the only way I can resist the temptation.

We had a box of Krispy Kremes delivered to the office earlier. I had an orange instead.  O:-)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 25 January, 2012, 04:04:25 pm
Was that a fruit orange or a chocolate one though? :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 January, 2012, 04:21:59 pm
Was that a fruit orange or a chocolate one though? :)

Damn, rumbled...  ;D

Actually, srsly, it was a fruit. M&S are offering two bags for £3 at the moment, so I'm well stocked up with vitamin C. According to my calculations, I'd have to finish at least a whole bag (five fruits) to equal the calories in one Krispy Kreme donut.

Not that oranges are entirely a healthy option, given how much sugar they have in them.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 25 January, 2012, 04:47:43 pm
Aye, but jaffa cakes ain't made there:

Quote
McVitie's brand products are now manufactured in five United Kingdom factories: the two former McVitie & Price factories in Harlesden and Manchester, a former Macfarlane, Lang & Co. factory named Victoria Biscuit Works in Glasgow, a former Carr's factory named The Biscuit Works established 1831 in Carlisle, and the McVitie’s Cake Co. factory (formerly Riley's Toffee Works) in Halifax.

Not sure which factory produces them, though.

The one my missus works in here in Glasgow, is it any wonder that i'm on MFP trying to lose weight, from time to time she'll bring home a massive sized bag of biscuits which she can buy for pennies from the factory shop. In my defence though, i don't like Jaffa's, it's those little marshmallow teacake things with the jam in them, i could eat... :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 January, 2012, 04:49:13 pm
Oh crikey, that's unfair temptation. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 25 January, 2012, 04:51:09 pm
, i don't like Jaffa's, it's those little marshmallow teacake things with the jam in them, i could eat... :hand:

same here
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 25 January, 2012, 04:53:37 pm
it's those little marshmallow teacake things with the jam in them, i could eat... :hand:

IIRC in Germany those are called 'Super Dickmann'  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 January, 2012, 05:12:59 pm
Don't forget that you can eat dust.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 25 January, 2012, 05:53:35 pm
Aye, but jaffa cakes ain't made there:

Quote
McVitie's brand products are now manufactured in five United Kingdom factories: the two former McVitie & Price factories in Harlesden and Manchester, a former Macfarlane, Lang & Co. factory named Victoria Biscuit Works in Glasgow, a former Carr's factory named The Biscuit Works established 1831 in Carlisle, and the McVitie’s Cake Co. factory (formerly Riley's Toffee Works) in Halifax.

Not sure which factory produces them, though.

I used to cycle past McVities's factory on my way to/from college (it's in prime "Royal Family" territory (Caroline Aherne/Craig Cash, not Elizabeth Windsor)). 

The smell was sublime, especially on a cold winter evening.

I'm sure I smelled Jaffa Cakes but it's a long time ago.

Since I am on a diet right now all I can think of is dunking a whole packet of them in a lovely cuppa (they just soak up that hot tea don't they?).

Please stop discussing cakes on this thread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 25 January, 2012, 06:08:36 pm
My walk across town usually only passes shops that sell things I don't want-clothes, electicals, perfumes.
Today I had to get milk & potatoes. Not only did this entail walking past the pizza shop and chip shop, open and wafting, but down the aisles where biscuits and chocolates await.
I keep a snack for on the bus as I'm often hungry but the thought of an apple was not enough to keep me away from the fridge.
I don't even really like scotch eggs... I must have been craving protein. Maybe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 January, 2012, 06:22:51 pm
Sorry  fboab, Scotch eggs have much FAT and a bit of protein. You are craving calories; Scotch eggs have loads more than plain boiled eggs.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 January, 2012, 06:27:35 pm
Scotch Eggs give me the boak.  :sick:

It's a boiled egg (reasonably healthy food) coated in sausage meat and breadcrumbs then deep fried.  I'm going to have scrambled eggs on toast for dinner tonight, I've decided.

(I've eaten all the lettuce in the house).

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 25 January, 2012, 06:51:24 pm
Scotch Eggs give me the boak.  :sick:

It's a boiled egg (reasonably healthy food) coated in sausage meat and breadcrumbs then deep fried.  I'm going to have scrambled eggs on toast for dinner tonight, I've decided.

(I've eaten all the lettuce in the house).

You might as well give up food now in readiness for the weekend of gluttony that lies ahead!
My asthma is dreadful at the moment but has the fortunate side effect that I've totally lost my appetite. 2 slices of toast and a tangerine so far today and I'm not even remotely hungry!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 January, 2012, 07:03:33 pm
This is why we need to get some miles in at the weekend. Anyway I *should* be eating haggis tonight, but I'm not. Scrambled eggs on toast is by comparison health food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 25 January, 2012, 07:04:27 pm
This is why we need to get some miles in at the weekend. Anyway I *should* be eating haggis tonight, but I'm not. Scrambled eggs on toast is by comparison health food.

Ocado is here  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 25 January, 2012, 07:13:34 pm
mini scotch eggs aren't deep fried but they are a) minging b) cheap and c) not sugar rich.

Could've been worse  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: PloddinPedro on 25 January, 2012, 07:24:27 pm
Ok. Off on a few days holiday eating'n'drinking.

New me MUST start 1st February. Absolutely imperative lose a stone by June.

Being lazy (part of reason for needing to lose weight) can I ask the collective wisdom of the lurkers on this (humungeous) thread: what's the best on-line calorie counter/website for easily keeping track of daily ingestion?

(Sorry if this has been covered upthread, but it's over 150 pages!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 25 January, 2012, 07:25:43 pm
it's those little marshmallow teacake things with the jam in them, i could eat... :hand:

IIRC in Germany those are called 'Super Dickmann'  ;D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/westywagen/SD.jpg)

our family first aid kit is therein  ;D (with apologies for the rubbish camera phone pic.)

It lives on top of the dresser next to the box of 'French Bogeys' (Bougies la Francais) -  qualite superieure, no less.
Despite my wife not doing purile humour, these are both permitted and are deemed amusing  ;D

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 25 January, 2012, 07:29:13 pm
Ok. Off on a few days holiday eating'n'drinking.

New me MUST start 1st February. Absolutely imperative lose a stone by June.

Being lazy (part of reason for needing to lose weight) can I ask the collective wisdom of the lurkers on this (humungeous) thread: what's the best on-line calorie counter/website for easily keeping track of daily ingestion?

(Sorry if this has been covered upthread, but it's over 150 pages!)
We're all here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 January, 2012, 07:33:38 pm
This is why we need to get some miles in at the weekend. Anyway I *should* be eating haggis tonight, but I'm not. Scrambled eggs on toast is by comparison health food.

Happy Burns Night!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: PloddinPedro on 25 January, 2012, 07:51:45 pm
Ok. Off on a few days holiday eating'n'drinking.

New me MUST start 1st February. Absolutely imperative lose a stone by June.

Being lazy (part of reason for needing to lose weight) can I ask the collective wisdom of the lurkers on this (humungeous) thread: what's the best on-line calorie counter/website for easily keeping track of daily ingestion?

(Sorry if this has been covered upthread, but it's over 150 pages!)
We're all here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/

OK, thanks. I'll have a look at that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 25 January, 2012, 07:54:45 pm
Just went to sign up on myfitnesspal to see I signed up last year, and was 5kg lighter :(

On the exercise thing, how accurate are the cycling numbers? I just set the cycling to <10mph (slower than I actually rode), and it still came out with over 500 kcals. My Cateye cycle computer reccons my commute burnt about 330 kcal, which I believe a bit more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Simonb on 25 January, 2012, 07:57:43 pm
We're all here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/

I am http://www.myfitnesspal.com/goodlyvibes
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 25 January, 2012, 08:41:55 pm
what's the best on-line calorie counter/website for easily keeping track of daily ingestion?

I'm using My Fitness Pal as well (I'm "slowcoach" there - someone else had already pinched "SlowCoach" grrr...). The other half must have been through every site out there and has independently come to the conclusion that it's one of the better ones. She tells me that it's great strength is that the food database is both extensive and anglicised. I can certainly find most things I eat in there. I'm a bit dubious about the calories awarded for exercise - I tend to divide by two...

At the end of the day, it seems to work for me. Having to record everything means that I think twice before scoffing it down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 25 January, 2012, 08:44:00 pm
The MFP cycling figures are very optimistic. I manually use 400 kcals an hour unless I'm giving it welly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: PloddinPedro on 25 January, 2012, 08:57:07 pm
........ The other half must have been through every site out there and has independently come to the conclusion that it's one of the better ones. She tells me that it's great strength is that the food database is both extensive and anglicised.
Thanks; that's exactly what I'd hoped someone had done!

............. Having to record everything means that I think twice before scoffing it down.

That was my thinking - more an aid to strengthen willpower, rather than to be taken absolutely literally.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 25 January, 2012, 09:22:45 pm
That was my thinking - more an aid to strengthen willpower, rather than to be taken absolutely literally.

All I'm trying to do right now is first lose the 3.5 kg I put on over Christmas, and then lose another kg which will get me down to the weight I was when I got married some 30+ years ago. After that I just want to try and maintain that level. However, my weight is now some 22kg below what it was when I first started taking things seriously about 18 months ago. I think the most successful single action I've taken was to send the coffee bar staff at work a memo telling them that they were not sell me anything more than tea or coffee, no matter how much I begged. Cutting out the snacks and the lunchtime butty has helped significantly. I now make a salad every morning to take into work for lunch every day (you only need to forget a couple of times and then go hungry for the day because of the butty ban - and you'll be making them religously).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 25 January, 2012, 09:27:58 pm
My Fitness Pal... I can certainly find most things I eat in there. I'm a bit dubious about the calories awarded for exercise - I tend to divide by two...

At the end of the day, it seems to work for me. Having to record everything means that I think twice before scoffing it down.

Agreed - it's thinking about what you eat. I found that all I had to do, more or less, was to ensure that I recorded everything I ate for the first week or so. Everything. After a few days, I just naturally took note of what the major offenders were.

The FP app on Android is excellent  :)



There was a lengthy discussion last year in this forum on the matter of energy consumption while cycling. The upshot of it was that it is overestimated, in general, and particularly for regular cyclists who ride efficiently. I think 500 W / hour was agreed on as being not too far off, and probably not a wild overestimate.

What I did was to ignore my 70 minute commute as far "earning food" goes, and I only counted "proper" rides, day rides, in my Fitnesspal reckonings.

I need to get on top of my eating habits again  >:( I feel fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 January, 2012, 10:26:09 pm
Tsk. 71kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashaman42 on 25 January, 2012, 10:39:09 pm
I'm still finding it relatively easy and have lost 4kg since the beginning of January (haven't weighed myself for a week so here's hoping there's some more lost as well). However, the only reason I am succeeding is that I am, without fail, cycling 20 miles per day to earn myself 700-800 calories, plus walking the dog (good for another 100). I can't exist on just 1660 calories a day, but with the extra that I earn I am managing to finish each day with a reasonable calorie deficit (usually 400-500) which seems to be working. This is a deficit over the amount MyFitnessPal says I should eat to lose 1lb a week, which is I think a 500 calorie deficit over 'remain the same'.

What's been fascinating to me is realising HOW MUCH I was eating during the day in the run-up to Christmas. Not portion sizes particularly (they are still huge - I like my spuds and veg) but biscuits, nuts, other nibbles. I reckon I was taking on board at least 1000 calories per day in nibbles. And having lots of cake.

Thank God for bicycles!

Regarding earning extra calories. I hope I'm not being rude/stating the obvious by pointing out that you should take a portion of the earnt calories away as they'd have been burnt even if you hadn't exercised.

It's something I read a while ago that supposedly catches many people out.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 January, 2012, 10:48:13 pm
Not if you only count the additional calories in the first place.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wonky on 25 January, 2012, 10:51:27 pm
Simon, any news with the graphs yet? No pressure, just curious.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 January, 2012, 10:53:44 pm
Simon, any news with the graphs yet? No pressure, just curious.

Been a bit busy (12h days at work etc), sorry.  Will be on a train for a few hours tomorrow which might give me enough time to make progress on it. There ain’t much left to do really.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 25 January, 2012, 11:11:40 pm

Regarding earning extra calories. I hope I'm not being rude/stating the obvious by pointing out that you should take a portion of the earnt calories away as they'd have been burnt even if you hadn't exercised.

It's something I read a while ago that supposedly catches many people out.

I think most people use the BMR plus sedentary Harris-Benedict modifier option (ie BMR x 1.2), which means anything that isn't wallowing like Jabba on the couch counts.

The MFP cycling figures are very optimistic. I manually use 400 kcals an hour unless I'm giving it welly.

Yeah, my weight loss spread sheet says that I burn 60% of what MFP says from cycling (or I'm one of those magical people that can live off light and air alone).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 January, 2012, 10:13:03 am
Regarding earning extra calories. I hope I'm not being rude/stating the obvious by pointing out that you should take a portion of the earnt calories away as they'd have been burnt even if you hadn't exercised.

MyFitnessPal estimates a calorie allowance for you based on your general level of activity ("sedentary", "active" etc) so any other exercise you add outside your normal activity level is genuinely "extra". Although, as others have said, MFP does overestimate calories burnt for cycling.

If you use MFP synched with Fitbit or similar, you don't need to enter a general activity level because it uses the data from the device to measure your activity. You only have to add other exercise if it's of a kind the Fitbit can't measure (eg swimming).

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 26 January, 2012, 10:27:34 am
if for a certain heart rate i burn x amount of calories per hour when running, would i burn the same calories at the same heart rate when cycling?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 26 January, 2012, 10:34:09 am
if for a certain heart rate i burn x amount of calories per hour when running, would i burn the same calories at the same heart rate when cycling?

I don't think so, no.

I'm pretty well adapted to cycling now. I can tap away at 23/25kph for hours on end at a HR of about 140. I burn about 400 kcals an hour doing this.

I'm a shit runner. At 10kph (yes, really - hardly more than a walk) my HR is about 140, but I reckon I'm burning about 600/700 kcals an hour.

It's about efficiency - and that's what training adaptation helps you to get.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 January, 2012, 10:36:31 am
if for a certain heart rate i burn x amount of calories per hour when running, would i burn the same calories at the same heart rate when cycling?

Yes, in broad terms.
Rowers and others who use much upper body power (as well as leg power) may use more calories for a given HR.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 26 January, 2012, 10:38:52 am
if for a certain heart rate i burn x amount of calories per hour when running, would i burn the same calories at the same heart rate when cycling?

Yes, in broad terms.
Rowers and others who use much upper body power (as well as leg power) may use more calories for a given HR.

 ;D

Well. Hope you're the wiser now, zigzag.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jacomus on 26 January, 2012, 10:42:03 am
Grr... up 1kg without having done remotely enough exercise to claim that it comes from muscle growth. I was very well hydrated when I weighed in, but had just urinated so can't claim any advantage from a full bladder.

Had a good sesh in the gym though, put in 20mins 'hill climb' on the treadmill at 9km/h which felt good. I could have run for longer, but I was a little short on time and wanted to get a full range of weights in.

Good news! I can already feel my shoulder moving more freely, yet feeling more secure. I'm not sure I will ever reach the stage where I will be happy to raise that arm above my head without controlling the range of movement with a machine, but it is good progress. Some of the constant dull ache is abating too, which is rather lovely.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 26 January, 2012, 11:07:10 am
Signed up for an RPM (spinning) class at the gym at work. Hopefully that might get a few more calories off.

Oh, and I was chatting to one of the new trainers at work - she's very sporty - is doing Tough Mudder in May, and has been encouraging me to incorporate Tabata intervals into my commute (f*ck that). She has this pithy phrase.

‘you can exercise ‘till the cow’s come home, but if you don’t eat right you’ll always be a cow coming home"
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 January, 2012, 03:25:04 am
The graphs are back.

Some users have broken the system by replying to their own posts to update rather than editing the original post as indicated in the instructions. The graph programme is finding multiple posts for such users and makes no attempt to prevent multiple instances of each user appearing. The additional posts clutter the recording thread as well, so if you have done this, please remove the reply posts and edit the original post to add new weights.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 January, 2012, 07:06:18 am
Thanks Simon :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 28 January, 2012, 07:14:47 am
Thanks Simon :)

Thank you

Now I can see how well I am not doing ;)

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 28 January, 2012, 10:01:17 am
Thank you - excellent work, I come top of something !!!!!


 :(
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wonky on 28 January, 2012, 10:46:08 am
Thanks Simon. Top man!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 28 January, 2012, 07:36:57 pm
You are a star
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 January, 2012, 11:37:36 pm
Now the graphs examine both the 2011 and 2012 threads and show the last 26 weeks. No escaping the Christmas bulge now. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 29 January, 2012, 03:02:39 pm
Now the graphs examine both the 2011 and 2012 threads and show the last 26 weeks. No escaping the Christmas bulge now. :)

 :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 29 January, 2012, 09:25:21 pm
Woo hoo - I pigged the most. Check my slope!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2012, 12:03:15 pm
Now with anti-aliasing. I had to make my own gnuplot wrapper and upgrade gnuplot to 4.4.4 to be able to use the pngcairo terminal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 January, 2012, 12:07:30 pm
Mmm.  I'm sure that's a good thing if you say it is. ;D

Meanwhile, I'm struggling with oral steroid and keeping the eating sensible.  I managed the weekend without indulging in too much of the cake on offer, but back in the office with the usual stress, it's getting tough. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 30 January, 2012, 12:19:20 pm
There is poo in the cake!

Off out for a run at lunch. It is bloody freezing. Just stood outside for 5 mins waiting for the runkeeper app to get a signal. No joy. Come back in to warm up and will head out with my trust garmin in a mo'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 January, 2012, 12:25:52 pm
No cake at work.  But a shop across the road. 

Steroids get you several ways round.  Firstly, they should be taken with food, and that isn't usually at normal mealtimes, so it adds a couple of snacks on (I ignore this these days - the evidence is taking the whole dose in one is nearly as effective).

Secondly, it stimulates your hunger.  So you want more food. :-\

Thirdly, it depresses your mood, which, for a lot of people means resorting to food.

Fourthly, if you're taking oral steroid, it usually means that you're not doing as much exercise as normal (I'm a cussed bugger for this one where cycling is concerned), so what you do eat is more likely to turn to fat, which, if you're on them for any length of time, means you get depressed about your weight, exacerbated by the enforced snacking and lowered mood anyway, so..... :-\

It's a very very tough cycle to break.  I don't like oral steroids - they got me overweight in the first place when I was on them pretty much 50% of the time during my teenage years (when they play havoc with your hormonal development too, btw, which doesn't help mood/snacking etc), but they are bloody effective in clearing up asthma.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2012, 12:34:33 pm
Mmm.  I'm sure that's a good thing if you say it is. ;D

It is a good thing because it makes the rendering of the graphs much clearer. I've also improved the colour and symbol selections. The improvement is best seen on the full resolution plots if you click on any specific graph.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 30 January, 2012, 02:02:01 pm
It's a very very tough cycle to break.  I don't like oral steroids - they got me overweight in the first place when I was on them pretty much 50% of the time during my teenage years (when they play havoc with your hormonal development too, btw, which doesn't help mood/snacking etc), but they are bloody effective in clearing up asthma.

Do you know much about inhaled steriods? I'm on 400mg a day of beclometasone dipropionate. My GP tried to cut it to 200mg (without telling me!) and I started having night attacks. I mean to stick to doing the powerbreathe resistance trainer, but it's pretty hard work, and it's time consuming. It doesn't fit with my routine, and I've not figured out a new routine yet. If inhaled steroids are bad, maybe I'll do some thinking about a fix.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 January, 2012, 02:52:36 pm
Not wishing to play steroid top trumps, I already inhale 1mg of fluticasone propionate (Flixotide) daily, as well as other medications.  Not recommended to go higher.  And I think you'll be talking mcg rather than mg of beclometasone. ;)

Oral steroids is my second line escalation for asthma, unless there's significant infection, in which case, it's hit it with a stack of broad spectrum antibiotics ;D

My asthma is really quite severe (even when well-managed), but I try not to let it get in the way.  Sometimes, it will :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2012, 07:22:51 pm
More graph fettling done.  I’ve fixed the split graphs (where they are split into two graphs covering half the users to avoid over-cluttering) to correctly split the graphs based on users who have updated in the last 26 weeks and I’ve updated the BMI graph to have coloured zones corresponding to the standard ranges.

If you add your height by putting height=NNNcm or height=NN.Nm you will see your BMI plotted.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wonky on 30 January, 2012, 07:50:22 pm
Looking good simon. I wont pretend that I understand a word of what you did. But its much more readable.

Can more people add their height please. I'm feeling all exposed as the sole fatty on the BMI graph. I'm positive I havent joined a forum full of 8ft basketballers.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2012, 07:54:33 pm
That should be N.NNm of course. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2012, 07:56:07 pm
If anyone does add height, PM me and I will run the graph script. It doesn't run automatically.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 January, 2012, 07:57:42 pm
Sorry, where do we add height?  I'm 183cm.

Thanks for all you're doing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2012, 08:05:35 pm
Sorry, where do we add height?  I'm 183cm.

Thanks for all you're doing.

Anywhere in the main body of your weight log post. See mine for an example.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 January, 2012, 08:07:00 pm
I had a look at yours and did that ;D

Figured you knew what you were doing ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2012, 08:49:27 pm
I had a look at yours and did that ;D

Figured you knew what you were doing ;)

You missed the = sign, but I modified the code to not require it. :)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 January, 2012, 09:23:37 pm
ha! I knew I'd miss out something important.  And I'm impressed you worked round it :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 31 January, 2012, 07:00:22 am
That should be N.N Nm of course. :)

May the FORCE be with you ;-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 31 January, 2012, 11:51:26 am
Fuckfuckfuck!  That chocolate I bought before I started the diet?  It ain't there any more. :-[

Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 31 January, 2012, 01:03:54 pm
Fuckfuckfuck!  That chocolate I bought before I started the diet?  It ain't there any more. :-[

Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved.  :(

On the up side, if it's now gone there's nothing left there to cave in to. Just don't go buying any more!

My mother bought me a shed load of chocolate for my birthday and my daughter bought Cadbury's Creme Eggs for me and Simon. I have a weakness for those damnit! And Simon has left his box of Thorntons here on my mantelpiece, where I am currently looking at it. Ohhh the temptation! The chocolates are all as yet unopened but this condition may not last!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 31 January, 2012, 01:04:38 pm
As DrMekon points out, there's poo in it ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 31 January, 2012, 01:12:56 pm
As DrMekon points out, there's poo in it ;D

That's not working, Creme Eggs are too awesome to ever taste of poo!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 31 January, 2012, 01:28:17 pm
Fuckfuckfuck!  That chocolate I bought before I started the diet?  It ain't there any more. :-[

Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved.  :(

Don't worry! Just count it and go round the training route on your way home if neccesary :-*. It'll be fine. And as Feline says - it's not there now for you to go for next time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 31 January, 2012, 01:29:52 pm
Fuckfuckfuck!  That chocolate I bought before I started the diet?  It ain't there any more. :-[

Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved.  :(

Don't worry! Just count it and go round the training route on your way home if neccesary :-*. It'll be fine. And as Feline says - it's not there now for you to go for next time.

Fboab and I had a craving for a Hyyyooge Lunch on Sunday. It's not a problem if you earn it. We had to ride Quiet A Long Way to earn what we had  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 31 January, 2012, 01:57:11 pm
Weeeell, if I add on a wee extra 10km on the way home, that should offset it, and get me to 1300km, too :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 31 January, 2012, 01:58:14 pm
Weeeell, if I add on a wee extra 10km on the way home, that should offset it, and get me to 1300km, too :thumbsup:
I haz a plan :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 January, 2012, 02:01:21 pm
Fuckfuckfuck!  That chocolate I bought before I started the diet?  It ain't there any more. :-[

Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved.  :(

On the up side, if it's now gone there's nothing left there to cave in to. Just don't go buying any more!

My mother bought me a shed load of chocolate for my birthday and my daughter bought Cadbury's Creme Eggs for me and Simon. I have a weakness for those damnit! And Simon has left his box of Thorntons here on my mantelpiece, where I am currently looking at it. Ohhh the temptation! The chocolates are all as yet unopened but this condition may not last!

Just remember it's only two weeks until the next excuse to buy chocolates.  :smug:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 31 January, 2012, 05:52:06 pm
Fuckfuckfuck!  That chocolate I bought before I started the diet?  It ain't there any more. :-[

Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved.  :(

On the up side, if it's now gone there's nothing left there to cave in to. Just don't go buying any more!

My mother bought me a shed load of chocolate for my birthday and my daughter bought Cadbury's Creme Eggs for me and Simon. I have a weakness for those damnit! And Simon has left his box of Thorntons here on my mantelpiece, where I am currently looking at it. Ohhh the temptation! The chocolates are all as yet unopened but this condition may not last!

Just remember it's only two weeks until the next excuse to buy chocolates.  :smug:

I think you've already ordered something for us that is much more useful for that occasion  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 01 February, 2012, 07:51:13 am
I've made it! At the weigh in this morning I was 73.7kg which a) is back to my  weight just before Christmas and b) inside my target zone (72 to 74 kg). I now need to see if I can maintain this and not slide back to my old size which was 90kg+.

I think I'm now in a position to voice my secret goal which is to be at 73kg for my son's wedding in June. This would be exactly the same weight I was when I got married over 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 01 February, 2012, 08:14:02 am
Well done :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 01 February, 2012, 08:33:23 am
Lost a bit more which is satisfying but....
I've been here before & I know that I'm approaching that threshold where my weight becomes a plateaux & further loss becomes a very real challenge.I think the hard part is yet to come.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 01 February, 2012, 08:52:14 am
Not a good week.
Burns' Night dinner with friends on Saturday, pub lunch on Sunday, dinner in pub last night and not enough cycling.
And the next seven days include another dinner with friends and another pub meal and, with these temperatures, no cycle commuting for the next few days.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 01 February, 2012, 08:55:28 am
Half a kilo off.

If I can drop the same every week for the rest of the year, I will be well on the way to a reasonable weight.....Sounds easy doesn't it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 February, 2012, 09:11:26 am
It's all progress. :)

I've lost 4kg this year, which is quite astonishing to think about really (though I know others have lost more).

I was at my heaviest at about 116kg, and I plateaued at 113; 108; 103; 100 and 98kg over time.  But the trend is still good.  Hopefully, by next week, I will be celebrating the loss of 25kg from my maximum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 01 February, 2012, 09:27:18 am
1.2kg this week :) - This puts me back on an overall downward trend after the dissapointing result last week. TO be honest I've not managed to stick to any sort of diet for long enough to know where the plateaus are  :-[

I can also feel my approch to food slowly changing as well which is good. I still have some periods of impersonating the 'Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal', but I am starting to get used to feeling a little hungry without reaching for food sometimes as well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 February, 2012, 09:48:49 am
Well, I'm below 18 stones. This morning I was 113.9kg, which, according to Google, is 17.936179759184 stones.

I also weighed myself on the mechanical scales and they said I was 111kg, which is 17½ stone. They are evil temptresses, though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 01 February, 2012, 10:35:33 am
Belt's gone up another notch due to festive eating. Tried pulling it in notch before leaving home, the tightness restricted my breathing, and made my commute into work more hard going.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 01 February, 2012, 10:36:50 am
Another half kilo off. Spin class yesterday has left me feeling pretty drained. Struggled in to work in the cold this morning, but can't face 10km run at lunchtime in this weather. Cold to the core when I got in. Nethers defrosting is a very unpleasant sensation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 02 February, 2012, 05:48:06 am
Walking in to work today to try and get off this plateau.  102.8 for 5 days in a row now.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 02 February, 2012, 09:01:51 am
Walking in to work today to try and get off this plateau.  102.8 for 5 days in a row now.

Geoff
5 days is a mini plateau!-  It'll soon start moving again :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 02 February, 2012, 12:09:16 pm
I have the opposite problem - weight has been falling off me in the last few days like dieting is going out of fashion. Today's measurement is 2.2kg down since Saturday! But not in a good way - flu-related and mostly dehydration, I think.  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 February, 2012, 12:13:48 pm
Weighing in more often than weekly is within error, so it doesn't add much other than worry. ;D

Dehydration/bloating/other temporary issues can all throw your figures out.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2012, 12:38:15 pm
During one spell of deliberate weight loss, I used to weigh myself daily on the inaccurate digital bathroom scales, record the results in a spreadsheet and then take a weekly average, which I assumed would iron out the vagaries of the scales, which, for any given weight, seem to have a collection of readings which vary by about 1.5kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 02 February, 2012, 01:13:34 pm
I like daily readings. It doesn't really matter what it says but I like a daily reminder that I'm not there and need to think about it. The results are plotted in my Feature Rich life tracking spreadsheet and the important thing is where the trend line is on 1st May.
For me, I'm currently still sufficiently well motivated that a "good" reading spurs me on, and a "bad" one is a reminder that there's more work to be done. Although yes, it does make me grumpy, petulant and generally mardy. I'll probably go and grumpily jog round the block, do 10 minutes on the rower or pointlessly demonstrate my lack of upper body strength with someone's kettlebells.

/returns hungrily to lunch of soup & fruit
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 February, 2012, 01:18:06 pm
Yeah, I can see that.  Depends on your outlook.  I think I'd be put off disproportionately by minor 'setbacks'.

Today, I have to deal with the Significant Birthday of a Partner, and being expected (in a nice way) to partake of both ::-) cakes. :-\

But I've added it up, and I'm still just on the right side of OK.  Might go for a lighter meal tonight, though :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2012, 01:22:07 pm
But surely, when it's a partner's birthday, isn't there something energetic you can do together to burn off those excess calories?

Edit: or am I misunderstanding the word "partner"?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 February, 2012, 01:24:40 pm
Partner, not partner. ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 02 February, 2012, 04:56:13 pm
I find knowing when to weigh myself a bit variable. I tend to do it 2-3 times per week and then get cast into a huge gloom when I've gone up a bit. Next day often if I weigh myself I'm loads less.

With regard to choosing when to note down my weight, basically when it's lower than the previous reading on MFP then I put it down. Such as today, when I had dropped 0.8kg, whereas when I weighed myself three days ago I had apparently put on 400g.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 02 February, 2012, 05:02:45 pm
I find knowing when to weigh myself a bit variable. I tend to do it 2-3 times per week and then get cast into a huge gloom when I've gone up a bit. Next day often if I weigh myself I'm loads less.

With regard to choosing when to note down my weight, basically when it's lower than the previous reading on MFP then I put it down. Such as today, when I had dropped 0.8kg, whereas when I weighed myself three days ago I had apparently put on 400g.

That's basically what I do - only record minimums. The rest is sometimes interesting, but usually not. There's no pattern to it - I can pig out (like today) and weigh less the next day. Equally I can thrash away at the gym, on the bike and so on, and weigh more.

Monthly weighing is probably best for seeing a trend, but if you're cocking up your regime, you can do a lot of damage to your waistline in that time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 02 February, 2012, 05:10:04 pm
I'll stick to Wednesday mornings, same time as the only recorded values. It equalises as many variables as possible for me.

Taking one reading out of context in any set of numbers is not a good idea, so I'll always assess my progress in a generally up or generally down trend rather than real numbers (despite my silly smileys on the weight reports threads :)).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 February, 2012, 07:50:45 pm
Findings from research into weighing frequency were that for every eleven extra times you weigh yourself, on average 1lb weight is lost.

Obviously it's not true to say that going and weighing yourself eleven times now will mean you lose 1lb tomorrow. I think people who are more motivated might weigh themselves more often; I also think that people who weigh themselves more often get more feedback.

If your weight fluctuates by up to 2kg through "noise" for want of a better term:

 - weigh yourself monthly, month 1, weight up 2kg. Just noise?
 - weigh yourself up again a month later, weight up 10kg from start. Only now you realise that in month 1 you'd gained 4kg but weighed on a "good" day, you've now put on 8kg (10kg - 2kg noise) before you realised there was a problem

The more frequently you weigh yourself the clearer the trend is, assuming the noise is truly random. In practice it's not, which means that daily weighing might be overkill.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 02 February, 2012, 07:57:53 pm
The more frequently you weigh yourself the clearer the trend is, assuming the noise is truly random. In practice it's not, which means that daily weighing might be overkill.

But I find that it helps with the motivation when the biscuit tin comes out at work.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 02 February, 2012, 08:28:11 pm
I weigh myself more when I am nekkid (but not wet). It varies how frequent this is!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 02 February, 2012, 09:48:29 pm
I weigh myself on Wednesday morning before my cup of tea, nekkid. It gives me a pretty clear idea. If it is up a bit, it's probably traceable to a hormone shift, big meal the night before or constipation. I know if I'm fooling myself about those. However, if I weigh myself at other times, it fluctuates dramatically and I can end up thinking 'oh stuff it' and necking every bar of chocolate in the next shop I meet :-[. It can vary by a kilo between morning and night. Keeping the time and conditions as predictable as possible gives the most reliable reading. Doing it weekly irons out the normal jumps that would depress me and shows the general trends.
(click to show/hide)
TMI, I know ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 February, 2012, 09:57:20 pm
blah blah blah blah nekkid. blah blah blah blah

;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 03 February, 2012, 12:50:30 pm
I weigh myself every morning when I first get up. It's part of the routine so that I can maintain near identical conditions. Yes, I go up and down between weighings but at least i can see the trend and the Wednesday morning weight doesn't come as a total shock. I see a definite weekly pattern - I control my diet better at work because I've no opportunity to snack. I'm at my lowest on a Saturday morning and my highest on a Monday or Tuesday. I can spot the effects of a big meal some 24 to 48 hours later.

Weighing daily gives me the motivation to continue.  If the trend is on the downward slope I give myself a mental pat on the back and tell myself how well I'm doing and think what I'll manage if I can just continue. If it's level I can think about what I should be doing to get it sloping downwards again, and if it's up I give myself a boot up the arse and log a "must try harder". If I had to wait a week to find out if my efforts over the previous time period had been effective or not, I'd just give up at the first negative move.

The key thing which has helped me though, is not weighing myself, but weighing my food to control my portion size. It was a sobering thought to realise that my "50g" portion of muesli that I put out every morning was in fact, 200g+. Once I stop kidding myself, things tend to improve. I quite deliberately now eat off a smaller plate and use a smaller spoon and fork so a "plateful" isn't as much as it used to be, but it is still the same number of spoon/fork-fuls.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2012, 01:45:02 pm
+1 to pretty much all of that. I weigh myself daily but don't read anything into daily fluctuations, up or down - it's only longer-term trends that matter. And I've had a similarly eye-opening experience with weighing my food - I don't religiously weigh every meal but I've done it often enough that I now have a far more accurate idea of the size of my portions.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 03 February, 2012, 03:31:17 pm
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered, and then you’re left feeling vaguely guilty/cross with yourself in a way that you wouldn’t have been if you’d felt like the transgression was actually worth it?!

I must remember that sometimes the idea of something is nicer than the something itself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 03 February, 2012, 04:02:02 pm
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered, and then you’re left feeling vaguely guilty/cross with yourself in a way that you wouldn’t have been if you’d felt like the transgression was actually worth it?!

I must remember that sometimes the idea of something is nicer than the something itself.
Doughnuts. Mainly. :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 03 February, 2012, 04:10:53 pm
Not far off mine…yumyums that weren’t that yumyum…  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2012, 04:41:03 pm
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered, and then you’re left feeling vaguely guilty/cross with yourself in a way that you wouldn’t have been if you’d felt like the transgression was actually worth it?!

I had a slice of pecan pie from Leon this lunchtime. It was horrible. I suspect it was just a bad example of a pecan pie though, not that I've gone off pecan pies in general.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 03 February, 2012, 05:09:27 pm
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered

Now don't upset me. I've been salivating for the past few days about the christmas cake and stilton I promised myself I could have this weekend cos I'd reached my target  weight :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 February, 2012, 05:14:41 pm
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered, and then you’re left feeling vaguely guilty/cross with yourself in a way that you wouldn’t have been if you’d felt like the transgression was actually worth it?!

I must remember that sometimes the idea of something is nicer than the something itself.

Most of it, to be honest. At the moment I'm reminding myself of this each time I'm tempted and also trying to remind myself of how much my ankles will benefit when I'm 20kg lighter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 February, 2012, 06:08:02 pm
Hard day today.
Walked past a pub doing food, a chinese, an indian, 2 pizza places, the super-duper market and the chip shop. God it was tough.
But, I walked past.

Go me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 03 February, 2012, 06:17:46 pm
Woohoo!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 03 February, 2012, 06:49:08 pm
Definite victory there.

Chinese tonight, but I've earned it with a lunchtime 10km run on top on the commute. Calorie offsetting ftw.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on 03 February, 2012, 07:01:47 pm
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered, and then you’re left feeling vaguely guilty/cross with yourself in a way that you wouldn’t have been if you’d felt like the transgression was actually worth it?!

I must remember that sometimes the idea of something is nicer than the something itself.


This is so true.  If I'm about to transgress I try and stop to consider how I'll be feeling a few minutes later, having eaten something which is mediocre at best and usually utter crap.

Another ploy is to visualise a snooty shop assistant saying 'how would sir like to pay?'.

Doesn't always work mind.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 03 February, 2012, 08:35:37 pm
we had a nice tradition at work to have a big tray of mixed fruits and berries delivered every friday. nice, healthy and everyone liked it. but due to deteriorating quality of fruits in winter time these were replaced by saturated fat and sugar bombs delicious freshly baked pastries from sainsburys. four maple pecan plaits at eleven o'clock can't be very good? :-\ fortunately we get such "treats" only once a week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 February, 2012, 11:12:57 pm
Hard day today.
Walked past a pub doing food, a chinese, an indian, 2 pizza places, the super-duper market and the chip shop. God it was tough.
But, I walked past.

Go me.

\o/
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 03 February, 2012, 11:19:02 pm
Hard day today.
Walked past a pub doing food, a chinese, an indian, 2 pizza places, the super-duper market and the chip shop. God it was tough.
But, I walked past.

Go me.

\o/

Simon, on the other hand, did not make it past the Chinese this evening!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 February, 2012, 11:49:17 pm
Hard day today.
Walked past a pub doing food, a chinese, an indian, 2 pizza places, the super-duper market and the chip shop. God it was tough.
But, I walked past.

Go me.

\o/

Simon, on the other hand, did not make it past the Chinese this evening!  ;D

Not only that but I am now going to have a grapefruit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 February, 2012, 06:10:35 am
Yesterday was the first day in a couple of weeks where I've not been fairly comfortably below my target.  Only an hour's cycling made it an acceptable position.  Shows how much I depend on the exercise part.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 February, 2012, 08:04:06 am
Indeed. 1200 calories is Nothing. I don't know how anyone manages.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 February, 2012, 08:25:43 am
I can't do it. About 1800 is the least I can tolerate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 February, 2012, 10:55:21 am
Without a sex change and a 12" height gain, I have to aim for 1200 net or I lose nothing.
No wonder I get grumpy!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 04 February, 2012, 12:13:55 pm
I've always managed to keep my calorie intake fairly low not by watching what I eat but by missing a meal. I know this is technically a bad thing to do, but for most of the last 40 years I have eaten 'brunch' and then 'dinner' only. Occasionally I get the munchies and add 'midnight feast' to that list! One of the things that myfitnesspal has shown me since new year is that I am often way short on my iron and potassium intake. Must eat more red meat and bananas! Failing that I will just eat an iron tablet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 February, 2012, 04:58:44 pm
Missing meals goes disastrously wrong for me.  I need to keep a lid on snacking, and mind I eat sensibly otherwise.

And exercise, or I can never be full enough not to think about it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 04 February, 2012, 06:14:07 pm
Calorie counting.No chance,that's far too serious for me ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 February, 2012, 06:21:19 pm
I have a test this evening. I have made curry - lots of curry. Also, there is naan bread and chutneys. I will have to ensure that I have just the one moderate helping.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 04 February, 2012, 06:25:19 pm
I have just made an epic birthday cake, and am about to order pizza, so tonight's diet is definitely not going to come in under calorie expended limit. I missed breakfast and lunch in preparation!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 February, 2012, 06:46:43 pm
Without a sex change and a 12" height gain, I have to aim for 1200 net or I lose nothing.
No wonder I get grumpy!

Net, I'm fine with 1200. I need a min of 1800 kcal in my belly exercise or not. Sundays are my worst day 'cos of no cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 04 February, 2012, 06:54:16 pm
Calorie counting.No chance,that's far too serious for me ::-)

It is automatic in MyFitnessPal And there is the support of others in the same situation.  I am a convert to this.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 04 February, 2012, 07:55:27 pm
On today's 100km ride  I lost two stones.
















actually a pebble from each shoe ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 February, 2012, 08:28:29 pm
I have a test this evening. I have made curry - lots of curry. Also, there is naan bread and chutneys. I will have to ensure that I have just the one moderate helping.

Well, I had one moderate portion, no seconds, some naan bread and two pickles (mango chutney & brinjal) and a bit of fruit for afters and I feel replete and virtuous.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 February, 2012, 09:00:47 pm
I've joined the MyFitnessPal crowd. Like the app.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 February, 2012, 10:11:52 pm
I like that it scales fats etc according to energy use. Live strong didn't seem to do that which meant a well balanced high intake diet went into the red on fat too easily.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 06 February, 2012, 10:20:22 pm
I like that it scales fats etc according to energy use. Live strong didn't seem to do that which meant a well balanced high intake diet went into the red on fat too easily.

You are literally eating 3 times the number of calories as me  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 February, 2012, 10:36:24 pm
I'll be interested to see how things pan out by Wednesday.

I've successfully avoided the evening snacks and have reduced my portions, but have been dogged by a migraine over the past 3 days or so, which I think is now beginning to shift. I'm fortunate in that I don't get migraines nearly as severely as I used to do (between the ages of about 5 and 30 a migraine would knock me flat for a whole day, and I'd invariably vomit as part of the fun) but there are other physiological side-effects, one of which seems to be the slowing down of the digestive system.

I'm feeling hungry a lot of the time and consciously avoiding stuffing myself with cheese & crackers, but settling for an apple or an orange, as well as a cup of coffee.I haven't had a pint of beer for over a week - but then this past week I've done a lot less cycling as the weather has been so cold.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 February, 2012, 10:52:17 pm
I like that it scales fats etc according to energy use. Live strong didn't seem to do that which meant a well balanced high intake diet went into the red on fat too easily.

You are literally eating 3 times the number of calories as me  :o

I was over budget by some way yesterday, though. However I didn't eat nearly enough last week which was making me slow on the bike. A good feed yesterday has fixed that.  :smug:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 07 February, 2012, 07:57:42 pm
Well, I'm not looking forward to tomorrow's weigh in. I succumbed on Sunday to Tesco's bargain offer of 12 hot cross buns for £1. The packet(s) now seem to be empty...  :facepalm:

They were good, though
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 07 February, 2012, 08:42:13 pm
You're not the only one worried about tomorrow.  :(

In my case it was dinner out with friends on both Friday and Saturday evenings, and the post village hall committee meeting wine requirement last night.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 07 February, 2012, 09:44:20 pm
Well, I'm not looking forward to tomorrow's weigh in. I succumbed on Sunday to Tesco's bargain offer of 12 hot cross buns for £1. The packet(s) now seem to be empty...  :facepalm:

They were good, though

We also somehow acquired a packet of 6 hot cross buns on Saturday. Probably down to the fact that I put them into the trolley even though there was no room in the panniers for them (they fit under the bungee cords on the rackpack quite well, doncha know). And at least four of them ended up being scoffed me rather than Rob The Perpetually Skinny  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 08 February, 2012, 06:25:58 am
Been training well and eating properly over the last 6 weeks.
12,9 kg lost and gained 3 kg muscles.
So my muscle mass are at present 75.6 kg which gives me a bmi > 25 in muscles alone  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 08 February, 2012, 06:42:13 am
No change. :(

I've been very sensible this week, so I'd hoped for more progress.  I expect my metabolism is reacting to the change in regimen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 08 February, 2012, 07:35:05 am
Well, I'm loving this.
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise, a feeling of constant deprivation and my reward?

Up nearly a kilo.

Yay me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Simonb on 08 February, 2012, 07:42:47 am
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise, a feeling of constant deprivation and my reward?

Up nearly a kilo.

Yay me.

The gain may be due to the additional exercise. There a reason for this I can't remember right now.

Ask Dr Helen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 08 February, 2012, 07:46:01 am
Half a kilo off....been a bit of a struggle this week what with business trips away and all that. Not been able to do any exercise as well as repairs to our central heating system took up most of the weekend  :-[

Oh and I am having some medical tests at the moment for a condition which makes losing weight difficult....  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 08 February, 2012, 08:01:32 am
Slow progress here, but the saving grace is it's still going down about half a kilo a week, long may it continue.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 08 February, 2012, 08:40:52 am
Have lost 6.2kgs since the beginning of Jan - that's the weight of my dog, which is interesting when I pick her up! I guess the plateau will hit about now though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 08 February, 2012, 09:00:14 am
Well, I'm loving this.
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise, a feeling of constant deprivation and my reward?

Up nearly a kilo.

Yay me.
:(It's depressing when that happens. It's all that toned muscle you're putting on. :-* Don't give up! It's got to start moving again soon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 08 February, 2012, 09:10:36 am
Well, I'm loving this.
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise, a feeling of constant deprivation and my reward?

Up nearly a kilo.

Yay me.

Well done on the exercise, keep it up  :thumbsup:
Are you changing shape? I've not lost any weight since November time. Still hovering around the 15st mark here despite running a lot more than I did before then (before then was zero)
Depending on what I've drunk it can vary 2-3kg up or down.

Rich
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 08 February, 2012, 09:21:08 am
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise

Sorry, am I the only one reading this who sees boab write that and thinks 'oh aye?'...

Yes?  Just me and my filthy mind then.  Oh well.

Boab - yay you, indeed.  Sticking with it when it's a bit tough going is very much worth a yay.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 February, 2012, 09:47:14 am
Quite surprised this morning. 113 kg was down 900g from last week. It may be a glitch in the scales, but I'll have that.

The trouble is, it will make it harder to get the scales to produce a similar glitch next week!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 08 February, 2012, 09:55:13 am
Hmm, down 0.5kg again (seems to be becomming the overall trend) :)

I've just played with an ideal weight calculator, and apparently I would hit the top end of the ideal range in March 2013 at this rate. I think I need to up the target to 2lbs/wk if I want to get things moving (which apparently is a little over 500 kcals/day less).

If I could get out on my bike a bit more it would help, the ice (and dragging snow tyres around on it) is starting to get to me at the moment and I'm not getting in as many miles on the bike as I would like.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 08 February, 2012, 09:55:53 am
Moving in the right direction again, but still 1kg above the 'upper limit' I had set for myself.  Not to worry - Friday I start 10 days of holiday where I will be driven everywhere and have no opportunity for cycling, plus lots of food on offer.  I do love my family, but this trip will have a nasty impact on my waist.   :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 08 February, 2012, 09:59:24 am
Well, I'm loving this.
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise, a feeling of constant deprivation and my reward?

Up nearly a kilo.

Yay me.

boab, don't lose heart.  You seem to be down on where you were two weeks ago.  There are ups & downs.

And well done on fitting in the exercise.  Remember that increasing muscle mass can offset fat loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 08 February, 2012, 10:02:54 am
fboab, you deserve a high-5 for that progress!!!  Don't be down on yourself, just keep it up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 08 February, 2012, 10:07:38 am
Hmm, down 0.5kg again (seems to be becomming the overall trend) :)



same here.
slowly slowly catchee monkey.

This loss is due almost entirely to a change in diet & eating habits.If I could break my lazygit lifestyle & do some exercise,such as riding a bike regularly ::-),there might be more loss.
Then again there might be a fat-to-muscle conversion which could be counter productive given that muscle is heavier than fat.
it's likely that boab now has more muscle & less fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 08 February, 2012, 10:35:23 am
Hmm, down 0.5kg again (seems to be becomming the overall trend) :)



same here.
slowly slowly catchee monkey.

This loss is due almost entirely to a change in diet & eating habits.If I could break my lazygit lifestyle & do some exercise,such as riding a bike regularly ::-),there might be more loss.
Then again there might be a fat-to-muscle conversion which could be counter productive given that muscle is heavier than fat.
it's likely that boab now has more muscle & less fat.

I could do with upping the exercise too, as I've been copping out of cycling far too often with the weather recently and haven't really started doing the hiking I was going to do as it's replacement. Being aware of what I eat has been quite an eye opener, and tracking it all does seem to be having the effect of pushing me towards better choices.

I'm sure your exercise is having an effect of adding muscle mass boab. Fat-to-muscle might be a short term weight gain, but longer term all that muscle needs more energy to tick-over, so overall all the exercise should be lining you up for a greater loss later (hopefully) ;)

Quote from: 'myfitnesspall'
burned 86 calories doing 20 minutes of "Walking, carrying infant or 15-lb load"
What's the load you keep carrying round boab? I know I used to have a friend who was walking round with a rucksack full of porridge oats once when she was training for the coast-to-coast walk.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 February, 2012, 10:40:36 am
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise

Sorry, am I the only one reading this who sees boab write that and thinks 'oh aye?'...

Yes?  Just me and my filthy mind then.  Oh well.

Boab - yay you, indeed.  Sticking with it when it's a bit tough going is very much worth a yay.

Well, you've just got a dirty mind, haven't you?  O:-)

So have I.

Keep at it boab! You may be up this week, but you'll probably go down next.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 08 February, 2012, 10:45:56 am
Boab - stick at it. It will come off. Look at the trend, not at the individual measurement. The weight is coming off.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 08 February, 2012, 10:48:28 am

Well, you've just got a dirty mind, haven't you?  O:-)

So have I.

Keep at it boab! You may be up this week, but you'll probably go down next.

I can count 4 entendres there Wow.
Good work  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 08 February, 2012, 10:51:17 am
Keep at it boab! You may be up this week, but you'll probably go down next.

Can you track the calories for that in whatever-the-app-you're-all-using-is-called?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 08 February, 2012, 10:58:15 am
I'm not going to check on a work computer, but i wouldn't be surprised
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 February, 2012, 11:03:24 am
Livestrong does but my fitness pal doesn't. I already checked.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 08 February, 2012, 11:40:50 am
Half an hour's vigorous morning exercise is 5km row, 5 km run, turbo or Jillian weirdos 30 day shred.
I've no idea what else I might be doing. Not that only lasts 30 minutes, anyway.

As to the 15lb load, it's the weight of my burdens. Or today, it was cake & marmalade for my soon-to-be-former colleagues in the brewery.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 08 February, 2012, 11:50:22 am
Half an hour's vigorous morning exercise is 5km row, 5 km run, turbo or Jillian weirdos 30 day shred.
I've no idea what else I might be doing. Not that only lasts 30 minutes, anyway.

That is fantastic. What deficit are you averaging on MFP? What's your BMR?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 08 February, 2012, 11:56:10 am
Keep at it boab! You may be up this week, but you'll probably go down next.

Can you track the calories for that in whatever-the-app-you're-all-using-is-called?

If not, you could add it as "protein shake (generic)".

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 08 February, 2012, 12:21:28 pm
No net calorie consumption by that rationale: protein shake in vs, erm, pushups?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 February, 2012, 12:44:47 pm
No net calorie consumption by that rationale: protein shake in vs, erm, pushups?

Perpetual motion!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bigsybaby on 08 February, 2012, 01:05:08 pm
I weighed myself last night and I was the heaviest I have ever been. I came in at 120kg. I would like to be at least less than 95kg so I can ride a decent pair of time trial wheels. I am now feeling depressed and I am going to eat something to make me feel better! ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 08 February, 2012, 10:51:47 pm
Amazingly I've still lost 0.3kg even after my weekend's pigout. When I was trying to lose weight it wouldn't come off. Now that I'm somewhere near where I want to be and I'm trying to ease back (but not go back up again), I'm still going down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 08 February, 2012, 11:40:26 pm
I've had a bad week due having baked an excessively large birthday cake last Saturday which we are still trying to eat up, and having to rest a painful knee for most of the week too so few miles. I've gained 0.5kg, but I get a huge amount of variation due to hormones so it might disappear randomly at any point.

I am wondering if MFP is double counting some of the calories I am burning off because I chose an 'active' activity level but I log all my cycling exercise as separate items. If I took away the cycling then my activity level could probably be more accurately described as 'blob'. I even walk the dogs by bike and I rarely go anywhere without cycling.
Simonp is coming to stay for the next few days so I might get more exercise :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 09 February, 2012, 02:53:33 am
I'm going to excuse myself from this trial for a week or two as I have too much stuff going on. The most imprtant for me is to not say "what's the use" and go back to the cigarettes, Few close calls this week, and I am eating in the place of Tabs so I will almost certainly "Hit the Heights" on the Lardiness journey and don't want the distraction of more pressure on my mind. I'll Bee Bakk!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 09 February, 2012, 07:49:47 am
I am wondering if MFP is double counting some of the calories I am burning off because I chose an 'active' activity level but I log all my cycling exercise as separate items. If I took away the cycling then my activity level could probably be more accurately described as 'blob'. I even walk the dogs by bike and I rarely go anywhere without the bike
i put myself down as sedentary for entirely that reason.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 09 February, 2012, 09:22:14 am
I am wondering if MFP is double counting some of the calories I am burning off because I chose an 'active' activity level but I log all my cycling exercise as separate items. If I took away the cycling then my activity level could probably be more accurately described as 'blob'. I even walk the dogs by bike and I rarely go anywhere without the bike
i put myself down as sedentary for entirely that reason.

Me too. I’m desk-bound (or sofa-bound) when I’m not cycling, spinning or walking the dog.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasmine on 09 February, 2012, 09:26:01 am
I am wondering if MFP is double counting some of the calories I am burning off because I chose an 'active' activity level but I log all my cycling exercise as separate items. If I took away the cycling then my activity level could probably be more accurately described as 'blob'. I even walk the dogs by bike and I rarely go anywhere without cycling.

Yes, it will be.  The activity level is supposed to represent general activty that you wouldn't log. If you had a manual type job you migt describe it as 'active'.  I use the blob setting and then add all activity, including cycling and even 20 min walk to the shop.  I also log all my cycling as 'moderate' regardless of whether it was moderate or hard.  I even log hard turbo sessions as 'moderate stationary bike'.  Definitely don't use their speeds as an indicator, perception of effort is much better.  Before I started using MFP 18 months ago I used to manually log food intake & exercise (& protein vs carb intake etc.), and it's a pain in the arse to calculate calorie usage well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 09 February, 2012, 10:50:34 am
I am wondering if MFP is double counting some of the calories I am burning off because I chose an 'active' activity level but I log all my cycling exercise as separate items. If I took away the cycling then my activity level could probably be more accurately described as 'blob'. I even walk the dogs by bike and I rarely go anywhere without cycling.

Yes, it will be.  The activity level is supposed to represent general activty that you wouldn't log. If you had a manual type job you migt describe it as 'active'.  I use the blob setting and then add all activity, including cycling and even 20 min walk to the shop.  I also log all my cycling as 'moderate' regardless of whether it was moderate or hard.  I even log hard turbo sessions as 'moderate stationary bike'.  Definitely don't use their speeds as an indicator, perception of effort is much better.  Before I started using MFP 18 months ago I used to manually log food intake & exercise (& protein vs carb intake etc.), and it's a pain in the arse to calculate calorie usage well.

Yes, same here.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 09 February, 2012, 11:01:40 am
Ditto.  I put sedentary for my job.  Sedimentary more like.

For the purposes of science, I weighed myself again this morning, to check if something odd had happened.  I've been quite active all week, and kept the food levels down, but lost nothing at all.

So, this morning, the scales read: Exactly the same as yesterday. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 09 February, 2012, 11:28:13 am
Yep I'm a down as blob, and I always log as the <10mph for the cycling as I think it over reads.

The daft thing is that the slower I go, the longer the route would take - therefore on the MFP thingy I would be burning more calories  ???

Oh, and I just looked at my FITECH report from last September*  and I was 1.5kg than I am now** . I knew I slobbed out for a decent part of November/December but I hadn't realised I'd put on nearly a stone in that time.


*It wasn't a great idea to do it 36hrs after my first 200
**and that was with shoes so probably a bit less comparatively with how I weigh myself now
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 09 February, 2012, 01:12:22 pm
A slight weight gain this week,but I think we are in the same boat,here.Not being able to cycle due to icy roads doesn't help.Still lost about 5kg in the last 6 weeks,so musn't grumble.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 09 February, 2012, 01:22:12 pm
Like most other people I I set my MFP status to blob and then record all activity. I then only eat only 1/3 to a 1/2 of the additional "exercise" caloroies back though as i just don't believe it.

I knew I slobbed out for a decent part of November/December but I hadn't realised I'd put on nearly a stone in that time.

It's very easy to do. I've just got rid of about 3 stone. One of which is what I'd put on over the years, but the other two I can quite clearly attribute to putting on in two months or so after my father in law died. I'd been used to a regime of pushing him around Durham at least 4 times a week in his wheelchair. Before he died he was chairbound, stone deaf and with very poor sight. His only pleasure in life was to be pushed up and down the hills and over the cobbles in his chair. Someone did it every day and more often than not it was me, if only because when my wife did it, she didn't have the strength to do it on her own but had to rope in at least one of the kids as well. We had 2 standard routes, the short 2 mile one and the longer 4 mile one (which relied on the cathedral being open because it went in one door and out the other...). I never realised how much I must have been eating to compensate for the exercise, and didn't reduce my intake accordingly after his death. It didn't take long for me to discover that i couldn't fasten my trousers...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 09 February, 2012, 01:24:30 pm
A slight weight gain this week,but I think we are in the same boat,here.Not being able to cycle due to icy roads doesn't help.Still lost about 5kg in the last 6 weeks,so musn't grumble.

5 kg in 6 weeks is rather impressive  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 09 February, 2012, 07:41:31 pm
I was down a kilo this morning.
Random.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 February, 2012, 07:49:39 pm
I’ve been eating around 3,000 calories a day just to hit my target the last few days. It’s made me twice as regular. ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 09 February, 2012, 09:07:33 pm
I was down a kilo this morning.
Random.
Maybe yesterday's was a blip? it was just waiting to catch up :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 09 February, 2012, 09:46:36 pm
I was down a kilo this morning.
Random.

It’s made me twice as regular. ::-)

t was just waiting to catch up :)

(http://images.chemistdirect.co.uk/images/productimages/large/fybogel_sachets_orange_9664.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 10 February, 2012, 10:37:46 pm
Been good this week, hitting my target of around 1600 cal per day, before exercise.

My knee is twinging a little bit (cold weather, IT band) but I still want to get out tomorrow. So long as I stretch it enough I should be fine then I'll rest for Saturday and probably a little spin on Sunday.

Today I fell of the wagon a little and had a couple of chocolate pretzels but I'm taking each day as it comes and trying my upmost to be careful what I'm eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 11 February, 2012, 06:49:02 am
Got a reading today at 58.6 kgs at 06:15, which was I suppose a 'true' weight, (and pre normal morning ablutions), but I wonder whether I need to put on some more to keep me warm in this bitter cold??
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: davelodwig on 11 February, 2012, 02:20:46 pm
I've been trapped somewhere between the 112KG and just slightly above 100KG mark for a couple of years now, seems I can't quite resist biscuits from the tea trolley at work. Was quite pleased this week that I seem to be heading downward again.

However the good lady has informed me we have a pile of groupon restaurant vouchers to get through before they expire.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 February, 2012, 09:44:11 pm
Got a reading today at 58.6 kgs at 06:15, which was I suppose a 'true' weight, (and pre normal morning ablutions), but I wonder whether I need to put on some more to keep me warm in this bitter cold??
In my experience, it is much easier to lose layers, than lard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 13 February, 2012, 09:37:56 am
So I'm at 81 dead on this morning, strange though as I've been concentrating a lot in the last week on what I'm eating. My fitness pal is at 1600 calories before exercise, as I've really been suffering with IT band problem I'm unable to cycle or run (both of which I love) so my calories have stayed low for the week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 13 February, 2012, 09:50:36 am
I'm trying really hard not to give in and eat a ginger cake from the cupboard. It's a good thing there is never any chocolate in this house or I would have caved by now :(.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 13 February, 2012, 10:09:02 am
Under the circs, I think you deserve a treat, Butterfly.

There is also a theory that it does your metabolism good to have a little bit extra every so often rather than constantly sticking to a deficit, anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 February, 2012, 10:29:04 am
That sounds fair enough to me.  Giving yourself a hard time right now won't be helping.  It's all going well, so just allow yourself a bit of relaxation of teh Roolz for a bit.  It won't harm. :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 13 February, 2012, 10:53:11 am
It's ok - one of the children is a bit groggy today anyway so we are staying in, which limits the availability of bad alternatives! So far: 1 bananananana; 5 marshmallows; one caramel rice cake and lots of tea :) (got to replace the lost fluids :-X)

Working for the health conscious is saving me from myself ;D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 February, 2012, 11:22:29 am
Oh good.

I forgot to bring any cereal bars to munch.  Need to be careful today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 13 February, 2012, 04:42:45 pm
Feeling pants today. So I'm feeding myself to try and get my strength back, I honestly feel better after eating. May just go to bed once I get in.

Hopefully this won't hang around for too long so I can concentrate on the calories again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 13 February, 2012, 05:15:42 pm
I've got to say that I've noticed I'm feeling really good these days - lively, energetic, as if my lung capacity has expanded whilst my waistline has slightly contracted. I've lost 6.2kgs and it's very noticeable now with my clothing. I'm probably back to my pre-pre-Christmas-mega-eating-lard-building weight, which is still much, much higher than it should be, but there's clearly a downward tendency.

I think getting my cycling mojo back has helped so much - I'm eating about 2200 calories a day, what with the 2 hours' cycling and half hour of walking, and still losing weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 February, 2012, 05:30:30 pm
I've got to say that I've noticed I'm feeling really good these days - lively, energetic, as if my lung capacity has expanded whilst my waistline has slightly contracted. I've lost 6.2kgs and it's very noticeable now with my clothing. I'm probably back to my pre-pre-Christmas-mega-eating-lard-building weight, which is still much, much higher than it should be, but there's clearly a downward tendency.

I think getting my cycling mojo back has helped so much - I'm eating about 2200 calories a day, what with the 2 hours' cycling and half hour of walking, and still losing weight.
I'm feeling the same way, save that I've hardly been out since the weather got colder. Noticeably, my weight has hardly changed in that time - almost all the loss was beforehand.

Shall we spend a little time admiring one another's bodies when we meet for cycling on Wednesday?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 February, 2012, 10:39:04 pm
I've noticed another difference, having lost a stone or so: I'm singing better - more room in the thoracic cavity. I've just returned from a choir practice and I'm definitely finding it easier to hold on to breath in some of the really long runs in "And he shall purify" and "For unto us a child is born" from the Messiah. After a couple of hours' hard practice, and not having ridden much at all during the cold weather, the combination of loads of oxygen in my blood and glycogen in the muscles meant I went up Rayleigh hill as though it wasn't there!

I must keep on with this!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 February, 2012, 10:42:52 pm
I must keep on with this!
+1 as they say.

Sunday's ride was the first audax on the tandem I haven't had saddle trouble. I'm convinced being lighter is part of that, and I felt fitter all day.

More of the same, please. I might even be able to start riding fast again. Yay!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 14 February, 2012, 10:38:41 am
Got a reading today at 58.6 kgs at 06:15, which was I suppose a 'true' weight, (and pre normal morning ablutions), but I wonder whether I need to put on some more to keep me warm in this bitter cold??
In my experience, it is much easier to lose layers, than lard.

True - on Sunday, when we met, I was wearing, in the order listed:-

1 sleeveless string vest type base layer,

1 looser string vest type base layer

1 giordana long sleeved windblocker (body and shoulders blocked)

1 skins long arm compression base layer (holds the previous three tight)

1 AUK winter weight long sleeve jersey

1 Severn Road Club Gilet (light, and windproof and keeps another layer of air)

1 Giordana soft shell waterproof outer jacket (very thick and tough with zip pocket)

1 Madison fully waterproof yellow hard flappy outer outer outer jacket (with tasty oil stains that won't come off) but I did keep the pitzips open...


The day before I had another winter weight jersey on as well, but it was minus 10.9 C   ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 15 February, 2012, 07:31:17 am
Hit target: 90kgs. Exactly, so I shouldn't get complacent.  But it is progress.

I didn't realise that MFP automatically recalculated calorie requirements when you lose a significant amount of weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 15 February, 2012, 08:04:09 am
Much better this week. but I think Mr Smith's scales weigh lighter than mine :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 15 February, 2012, 08:13:03 am
Also better this week.  Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 15 February, 2012, 08:36:10 am
Much better this week. but I think Mr Smith's scales weigh lighter than mine :(
Stick with them then ;D

I used to use the ones in my bosses bathroom because they were kinder than mine :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 February, 2012, 08:47:01 am
Up 100gm allegedly. I thought last week's reading of 113kg was too good to be true!

Still, I managed to replicate the 113.1kg that my scales claimed I was this morning, so I'm pleased the trend is generally downwards. This is in the context of only doing 60-odd miles in the past fortnight compared to almost 600 in January. I've got a fair few miles planned for the next week, so, provided I don't pig out, I should drop a kg by next Wednesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 15 February, 2012, 09:06:33 am
February is plateau month for me. Ah well...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 15 February, 2012, 10:43:42 am
Ooops

+ 0.5kg

I reckon it's due to no cycling for nearly a week & naughty snacking.Sausage rolls,crisps,too much bread.
Must try harder
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 15 February, 2012, 11:49:00 am
My weight is currently fluctuating by as much as 2kg during each day. According to MFP it should be falling and I'm doing a reasonable mileage, but have definitely eaten too many meals out over the past 5 days while Simon was here. Hopefully I am just redistributing blubber to muscle, but this could be wishful thinking!
I have altered my base activity level to sedentary so I'm only recording things I do as exercise this week, and it gives me a few less calories I can eat. I'm now staring at my valentines chocolates  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 15 February, 2012, 11:51:11 am
It's a birthday at work today.  Chocolates, a big cake, and crisps on the kitchen table.  Eek!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 15 February, 2012, 11:59:37 am
My weight has gone up since Christmas.

I have a definite target now though. I'm best man at a wedding in June. All the men are wearing the same suit, which they don't make in my size.  :-[  I have to drop at least 2 inches off the waist to fit into it.

Now, I just need to stop eating pies and move a bit more.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 15 February, 2012, 12:07:07 pm
My weight has gone up since Christmas.

I have a definite target now though. I'm best man at a wedding in June. All the men are wearing the same suit, which they don't make in my size.  :-[  I have to drop at least 2 inches off the waist to fit into it.

Now, I just need to stop eating pies and move a bit more.  :(

I too am attending a wedding in June.
I have said that I'll arrive wearing lycra* on a bike.My grand daughter has said that she wants to do likewise so I've said we will use the tandem.
Apparently it's not appropriate or acceptable to the happy couple  for a bridesmaid (bride's daughter from first marrige) & father of the bride to execute this plan ;D

* this obviates any issues relating to weight & made to measure morning suits  :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 February, 2012, 05:28:22 pm
My weight is currently fluctuating by as much as 2kg during each day. According to MFP it should be falling and I'm doing a reasonable mileage, but have definitely eaten too many meals out over the past 5 days while Simon was here. Hopefully I am just redistributing blubber to muscle, but this could be wishful thinking!
I have altered my base activity level to sedentary so I'm only recording things I do as exercise this week, and it gives me a few less calories I can eat. I'm now staring at my valentines chocolates  :facepalm:

You're doing great. We burned a lot of calories cycling over those 5 days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 16 February, 2012, 06:52:08 am
0.4kg off this week making 4.6kg in total.

Quite surprised I had lost any this week as, to be honest, I hadn't really tried this week and suffered a visit to the chip shop when away on business  :facepalm: Also, done next to no exercise for all sorts of rubbish reasons (taking the wife out, too cold, rugby on the telly, couldn't be bothered etc etc).

Manning up this morning and off out for a ride in a bit. Well need to go to the bank so will go via Gnosall.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 16 February, 2012, 07:29:01 am
Have signed up on MyFitnessPal which I'm finding quite helpful and fun to use.  But I feel its not really allowing me sufficient calories - anyone else experienced this?

Initially I was told I could have 1200 daily cals....horror!  I 'customised' it to 1400.  During the 5 days I have been on the programme have felt soooo hungry, even after using up the extra calorie allowance from exercise.  Exercise has been a 200k audax, 2 hours of walking and 40 mins of running.  I put down my lifestyle as 'active'. 

What daily calorie targets are the rest of you on?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 16 February, 2012, 08:09:40 am
Have signed up on MyFitnessPal which I'm finding quite helpful and fun to use.  But I feel its not really allowing me sufficient calories - anyone else experienced this?

Initially I was told I could have 1200 daily cals....horror!  I 'customised' it to 1400.  During the 5 days I have been on the programme have felt soooo hungry, even after using up the extra calorie allowance from exercise.  Exercise has been a 200k audax, 2 hours of walking and 40 mins of running.  I put down my lifestyle as 'active'. 

What daily calorie targets are the rest of you on?

Mine is 1200
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 February, 2012, 08:10:03 am
Have signed up on MyFitnessPal which I'm finding quite helpful and fun to use.  But I feel its not really allowing me sufficient calories - anyone else experienced this?

It may be that you've set the rate of weight loss too high. The simple rule iirc is that 1lb of fat = 3500 calories, so to lose 1lb a week, you need a net daily loss of 500 calories. If you find this too hard to manage, do what I did and set the weight loss to 1/2lb a week!

Also think about what you're eating - try to find foods that are more filling with fewer calories. My biggest weaknesses are cheese and butter but you'll very quickly use up your calorie allowance with cheese and butter without filling yourself up, so I've found that reducing (but not cutting out completely) my cheese and butter intake has made quite a big difference. Others have found similar benefits from reducing how much bread they eat.

I find eating lots of fresh veg a good way to increase the quantity of food I can eat without piling on the calories. High protein food (eg lean meat) is also quite filling.

Quote
Initially I was told I could have 1200 daily cals....horror!  I 'customised' it to 1400.

Your individual calorie allowance is based on your activity level and your base metabolic rate, which is calculated from your age, weight, sex and height, so it's hard to say what these figures mean without knowing this information about you. I'm 175cm, 39 and currently weigh 71kg, so to lose 1/2lb (230g) a week, MFP has calculated my daily net calorie allowance at 1780. But the calculation is highly individual - the same calorie intake for a woman who is smaller and lighter than me (eg Feline) would see her quickly putting on weight.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 February, 2012, 08:17:52 am
I'm on 1710 a day, which should (and has, so far) deliver a half kilo a week loss.

It doesn't feel enough, which is probably why it's working.

Received wisdom seems to be to make sure you eat back your exercise calories. Having a net calorie intake of less than 1200 is not seen as healthy in the medium/ long term.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 16 February, 2012, 08:33:45 am
Thanks for the advice and info - i have to admit being a 'nibbler' who snacks rather than eats proper meals, so changing what I eat could be the answer to feeling less hungry.  Difficult to change the habit of a lifetime though...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 February, 2012, 08:54:18 am
Of course it could be that at 54kg you really don't need to lose any weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 16 February, 2012, 09:02:09 am
I'm on 1440. But I'm 10 kgs heavier than you and slightly (very slightly ;D) taller.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 February, 2012, 09:47:56 am
I'm the same height, on 1200kcal, but crucially... I have a BMI in the 30s.

Losing almost 10% of your body weight when your BMI is already less than 22 seems both foolish and pointless to me.

Does anything jiggle that shouldn't? If so- tone it. There is absolutely no need to be lighter than that when you're over 40, unless you're an athlete, in which case it'll disappear anyway.

There are far too many people posting on this thread who don't actually have a weight problem. I find it very demoralising. It'd be like me talking about my drinking problem in the battling the bottle thread. I don't have one. I'm lucky that way. I do have a piss-poor relationship with food, and hearing about someone wanting to lose 4kg to get to 50kg just makes me want to hit them.

(Honor, this isn't actually anything personal about you, I'm just saying that really, i) do you actually need to lose weight and ii) do you actually need to lose weight)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 16 February, 2012, 10:08:25 am
I will explain!  I made an effort to lay down some 'reserves' for the French ride - thinking I would need it.  But clearly I didn't - the extra half stone was still there after the ride...and still here now.

It's time for it to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 16 February, 2012, 10:28:45 am
My net for the day is 1600 which is quite easily do able.

As I've been resting my knee (damn IT band + right knee cap not straight) this week I haven't exercised apart from walk at lunch so I've been eating my 1600 a day. Last weekend when I was cycling I still ate under my net calories with the cycling included.

The hardest part for me is the time between breakfast, 6-630 and lunch 12ish. But as others have said if you need to eat fill it with healthy low calorie foods, these needn't be expensive, example raw carrots half a cup full (1 whole carrot) is under 30 calories.

Once my knee is better and I'm back cycling my commute again (40 mile round trip) I know for a fact I'll have to eat more.

As for the time being I don't know when my knee will be feeling better, I've had a bike fit and physiotherapist  but I think (so does the physiotherapist that I will need some in soles built up to straighten my knee up. This will either mean going private (££++) or NHS (waiting lists, god knows how long!) 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 February, 2012, 10:33:24 am
My allocation has gone down to 1770.  That's not easy.  I have to eat some exercise calories.  And I have to ride quite a bit to ensure that I can keep the right side.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 16 February, 2012, 10:39:43 am
Just out of interest how is 1770 not easy? What parts of the day are you finding hard? (Don't say the whole day!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 February, 2012, 10:47:16 am
Of course it could be that at 54kg you really don't need to lose any weight.

There is that.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 February, 2012, 10:49:42 am
Well, it's just gone down, for a start, so I'm having to revise my approach.  I have a tendency to snack, and a bad habit for chocolate.  And I eat when I'm stressed.  My job is very stressful right now.

I used to eat a lot of bread.  I love the smell, the taste and the texture.  I love making it.  I love toast.  And it's a whole bunch of calories.

With our current working arrangements, I cook for myself and TGL when I get in from work, when I really don't feel like eating.  I can never be certain how much TGL is likely to eat, which makes it hard to plan.  It's hard to motivate yourself to eat properly in those circs.  Easier to grab some bread, cheese & pickle. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 February, 2012, 11:14:09 am
There are far too many people posting on this thread who don't actually have a weight problem. I find it very demoralising.

Mea culpa. I'm sorry if it's demoralising, that really isn't the intention.  :(

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 February, 2012, 11:15:45 am
...There are far too many people posting on this thread who don't actually have a weight problem...

Me most definitely not included :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 February, 2012, 11:31:00 am
There are far too many people posting on this thread who don't actually have a weight problem. I find it very demoralising.

Mea culpa. I'm sorry if it's demoralising, that really isn't the intention.  :(

d.

O, I wouldn't worry. I'm a bit grumpy today is all, I had a completely shitty evening and so ate 8 sausages (HOW MANY??), and then didn't sleep very well.

Sometimes thin people who find it easy/don't have to worry about it just make me angry instead, and that's very motivating.
Obviously, I'm just jealous.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 16 February, 2012, 11:41:47 am
Sometimes thin people who find it easy/don't have to worry about it just make me angry instead, and that's very motivating.
Obviously, I'm just jealous.

Is that like my angry grumpiness when I see so many people cycling huge mileage easily, like clarion, whilst I'm in a world of suffering for the lesser mileage I do? They seem to breeze through it all, whilst I'm in a continual world of muscle pain and fatigue and barely enough recovery, and sometimes it really gets me down. OK, I also do a physical job on top of my commute, but still.

p.s. here's hoping you'll feel better soon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 February, 2012, 11:45:24 am
If you look at my average speed, you'll realise that I don't breeze through the miles at all.  And I'm suffering with a swollen knee where the bikes fell on me on the train.  My job is sedimentary, 'tis true, but most of my riding is commuting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 February, 2012, 11:47:23 am
Sometimes thin people who find it easy/don't have to worry about it just make me angry instead, and that's very motivating.
Obviously, I'm just jealous.

If it's any consolation, I certainly haven't found it easy to get my weight back into the "healthy" range and it has taken a long time. And I know that a lapse in concentration would see me soon put it all back on again.

I like food too much. And beer. It will never be easy for me to maintain a healthy weight.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 16 February, 2012, 11:58:05 am
Sometimes thin people who find it easy/don't have to worry about it just make me angry instead, and that's very motivating.
Obviously, I'm just jealous.

If it's any consolation, I certainly haven't found it easy to get my weight back into the "healthy" range and it has taken a long time. And I know that a lapse in concentration would see me soon put it all back on again.

I like food too much. And beer Strawberry milkshake. It will never be easy for me to maintain a healthy weight.

d.
Ditto.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 16 February, 2012, 12:13:55 pm
For more consolation...and explanation..I was an overweight pudding as a child, mercilessly teased by others at school (as only children know how) and at 10/11 years old weighed just about the same as I do now.

That's why it's important to me to keep it down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 16 February, 2012, 12:16:33 pm
If you look at my average speed, you'll realise that I don't breeze through the miles at all.  And I'm suffering with a swollen knee where the bikes fell on me on the train.  My job is sedimentary, 'tis true, but most of my riding is commuting.

Well, you certainly look like you're dealing with it all a lot more easily than I am. *IZ TEH JEALOUS*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 February, 2012, 01:35:42 pm
Quote
he Frontal Surface Area (FSA) is an estimation of the degree to which your body shape effects wind resistance. The greater the calculated value the greater the wind resistance. For you this equates to 0.42m2 which compares poorly to elite road cyclists who score 0.32m2. A key factor in this analysis is the percentage body fat with elite males having an average value of 11.0%, although this has been shown to increase to around 13.4% during the off season. Your score is currently 18.0% which is higher than would be expected for a road cyclist. Therefore by reducing your fat mass and maintaining your aerobic fitness you will automatically become a more economical athlete. There are two options: firstly consider your diet and examine the total amount of calories that are being consumed in the form of saturated/trans fats. Secondly the levels of fat mass may be a consequence of the training phase that you are currently in. Therefore if the volume of training was to increase fat mass would decrease.

That's my reason for losing weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 16 February, 2012, 01:53:55 pm
Sometimes thin people who find it easy/don't have to worry about it just make me angry instead, and that's very motivating.
Obviously, I'm just jealous.

If it's any consolation, I certainly haven't found it easy to get my weight back into the "healthy" range and it has taken a long time. And I know that a lapse in concentration would see me soon put it all back on again.

I like food too much. And beer. It will never be easy for me to maintain a healthy weight.

d.

I'm in the same boat as citoyen and Butterfly. I was well into the overweight category and moving towards obese when I decided I ought to something about it. That was some 20 months ago. Since then, I've slowly managed to shed over 20% of my body weigh so I'm now sitting at a BMI of 22.

Now I'm down (within the past couple of weeks) to my target weight and I desperately want to stay there. I've just upped my calorie count (from 1520 to 1980 per day) as I'm moving into "maintenance" mode. I know that if I stop counting though, I'll be adding the lard back on at a rate of knots so I'm still using MFP to monitor my eating habits.

I don't actually see myself as being in much of a different position to you, boab. We are both on the same road - I'm just a bit further along it. You are still heading up the hill whilst I'm starting to ease off as I plateau out. I apologise if this sounds that I'm gloating, but I'm really not. I feel for you - I've been there, and don't want to regress back there again. I'm still just as conscious of the issues as I used to be - you don't stop thinking about things because you've reached your target. The only way I got to where I am now was by making some life style changes, and I'm as sure as hell not going let things slide back. Let's just say that I'm a lot happier now then I was before, but I still think about the menu choices when I go out for a meal (and we still have a bread ban in the house for Monday to  Friday). Some people find it hard to lose weight. Some people find it very hard. I don't think that anyone does it easily. It's certainly not been my intention to rub things in by posting here, but only to try and return some of the support that others have given to me (even if they don't realise they've been doing it because I've just been lurking).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 16 February, 2012, 04:49:06 pm
It would appear that the "heartbreak and fags diet" (tm fboab) works then.  I appear to have dropped 7+kg since The Desk happened and am now only about half a stone above my dun run weight - and a mere 5 stone into the obese category for someone as shortarsed as me.

Not really the way to go about it thobut.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 16 February, 2012, 05:05:04 pm
At least it is a positive result which may be a tiny bit of a silver lining :)

I've just rediscovered again that I have no will power when easy food is available in the house. Bread and crisps will have to go again :(

On a brighter note I suppose I have now dropped over half a stone since New Year's Day :), so only 6st 4lb above a healthy BMI :-\

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 16 February, 2012, 05:07:17 pm
The hardest thing for me is saying no to free food at work. Just got given a chocolate bar did I eat it, course I did. Now I'll have a smaller evening meal tonight and NO DESERT!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 16 February, 2012, 06:23:15 pm
Quote
he Frontal Surface Area (FSA) is an estimation of the degree to which your body shape effects wind resistance. The greater the calculated value the greater the wind resistance. For you this equates to 0.42m2 which compares poorly to elite road cyclists who score 0.32m2. A key factor in this analysis is the percentage body fat with elite males having an average value of 11.0%, although this has been shown to increase to around 13.4% during the off season. Your score is currently 18.0% which is higher than would be expected for a road cyclist. Therefore by reducing your fat mass and maintaining your aerobic fitness you will automatically become a more economical athlete. There are two options: firstly consider your diet and examine the total amount of calories that are being consumed in the form of saturated/trans fats. Secondly the levels of fat mass may be a consequence of the training phase that you are currently in. Therefore if the volume of training was to increase fat mass would decrease.

That's my reason for losing weight.

I could use this as a perfect excuse not to lose weight, since I intend using you as a human wind break!

I make no apologies for posting on this thread because I have valid reasons (I believe) for wanting to lose the weight I recently gained, and this is the weight loss thread so where better to discuss/learn about it? There is a wealth of information and support here that many of us can benefit from, and I don't think that having a BMI below the obese category should mean we can't post here. That said, I would not go onto a Weight Watchers (or similar) web site to discuss my own weight loss, because here many of us are interested in loss for fairly athletic reasons which is a whole different kettle of fish to being obese and needing to lose it to be averagely healthy.

These are my main reasons for wanting to lose weight:
1. I can't afford a new wardrobe and my clothes fit me better when I am sub-60kg
2. I start getting depressed when I put on weight, and I have previously been nearly fatally clinically depressed so this is a bad_thing
3. I need to have goals and targets in my life or things tend to start going to shit
4. I want to get faster on my bike, which for me includes being lighter and having more muscle and less fat
5. Health reasons. I am severely asthmatic and find that the fitter/lighter I am the fewer chest infections I get and the fewer courses of steroids I end up needing.
6. I try to set my kids a good example with exercise and diet choices because I don't want them to grow up using food for something other than nutrition. I've seen the heartache that comfort eating can cause people.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 16 February, 2012, 06:37:11 pm
Some of my reasons, in fact all of them mirror Feline's comments above. I to suffer quite badly from deep dark depresion sometimes and turn to food to remedy this, however after doing so it only makes my mood worse.So i really need to get back to a more sensible weight for mental as well as physical reasons, which particuarly this week i'm finding increasingly difficult as i'm finding my calorie target on MFP really hard to stick to. As a big lad i've always had a big appetite so trying to live on smaller portions and fewer cals is very hard, although i have been losing weight i feel i'm struggling to avoid the the food i really love, crisps,biscuits, bread and chocolate  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 February, 2012, 07:06:26 pm
I'm just being an intolerant grumpy bastard.
You're all free to post wherever you like, and don't have to justify to me or anyone why you feel you need to lose weight.

If it really starts getting to me I'll just start a new thread : Weight loss discussion for fat bastards. Then I can wallow in my lardiness alone. Or man the fuck up and ignore all the skinny athletes (damn their toned thighs).

As a last resort I can always leave the forum for a while again. That's what I generally do when the level of irritation rises above the level of entertainment/assistance/support.

As an aside, a friend reported that when she came off her antidepressants she lost weight. If I was 'well' enough to do that I might try it, but I doubt I ever will be and I'm certainly not willing to take the chance.
You can lose a lot of weight if you're too depressed to eat, but as everything is too much effort (washing, for instance, let alone cycling) I suspect it may be counter productive.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 16 February, 2012, 07:46:50 pm
fboab, when you feel gloomy about your lardiness, just look up my figures on the Weight Loss Graphs and you'll see there's some way to go to out-lard me.

And remember, you sent back my Vaude waterproof jacket because it was way too big for you. It was tight on me!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 16 February, 2012, 08:48:22 pm
I just weighed in, I've missed caring for a week or so due to other health scares. 130.8kg! That is another one in the wrong direction and it actually puts my BMI at 43.8 :o

I need to start to actually think about what I eat, when I eat, how much I eat and then do some exercise as well. I have managed to log a total of 69 miles so far in February and all of them were too much!

I know the main areas of food Items that I am pigging out on are exactly the ones I should eat very little of but the Self Sabotage is obviously at work here and I don't know how to get round that.

I'll try and do better next Wednesday's score time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 16 February, 2012, 09:32:56 pm
i've mentioned mfp to my mrs and she's logging her food now, just says it takes a bit long to find non-standard items. she's on 1410kcal per day and ideally wants to lose 5kg by summer. she looks perfect to me as she is, but discussing woman's weight is can be dangerous business, so it's up to her.
regarding my weight - i'm happy how i am now, but if wanted to step into athlete's category i'd benefit from losing 4-5kg of fat. that'd make me ripped!
sorry to annoy some by posting on this thread, but my reasons for keeping an eye on my weight is that i feel good when my bmi is 21-22. (and no way i'm be buying bigger trousers if my waist expands!).
this thread has a wealth of information and taught me a lot.

keep up good work everyone!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashaman42 on 16 February, 2012, 09:55:59 pm
Also better this week.  Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.

S

I noticed that Tesco's two dine for £10 offer was £15 during the Valentine's week despite the meal choices being the same. Did M&S also go for a similar cheeky price hike?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 16 February, 2012, 10:14:44 pm
I just weighed in, I've missed caring for a week or so due to other health scares. 130.8kg! That is another one in the wrong direction and it actually puts my BMI at 43.8 :o

I need to start to actually think about what I eat, when I eat, how much I eat and then do some exercise as well. I have managed to log a total of 69 miles so far in February and all of them were too much!

I know the main areas of food Items that I am pigging out on are exactly the ones I should eat very little of but the Self Sabotage is obviously at work here and I don't know how to get round that.

I'll try and do better next Wednesday's score time.

Don't be hard on yourself, just resolve to get back on track next week. You can't change the past so there's no point getting down about it :)

I will recommend using an online diary thingy like Myfitnesspal. You don't need to prescribe a diet as such, and the database has a pretty good idea about what nutritional values.

I find just consciously following everything I put in my gob seems to have an effect of making me eat less :)

Oh and I'm a BMI of 37.4  :-[, so we're not all superfit athletes
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 16 February, 2012, 10:49:59 pm
Thanks.  I tend to have trouble following the MFP type stuff.
I'll do what I used to do years ago and just do a word document listing everything I eat and drink in a day. It did help me figure out the trends of BAD :hand: and showed me the timeline when things were going well.
Just planning to do that has made me think of the eating this past couple of weeks and made me realise there's an awfully large amount of Bread and bread products, not to mention the CHEEZE!
I have stocks of "Not Good" that I can't afford not to use so I'll try some damage limitation and make the next shopping trip a more thoughtful one.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 16 February, 2012, 10:52:22 pm
I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 17 February, 2012, 06:49:46 am
I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).

Cheese on toast last night.  After I had closed my diary so was not counted in MFP.

and while my BMI is now down to 26.9  I was certainly up in the high 30's several years ago.  There is no short term solution, but just keep plugging away, and do the exercise.  It all helps.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 February, 2012, 09:32:04 am
I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).

Cheese on toast last night.  After I had closed my diary so was not counted in MFP.

and while my BMI is now down to 26.9  I was certainly up in the high 30's several years ago.  There is no short term solution, but just keep plugging away, and do the exercise.  It all helps.

Geoff

You can still edit a completed diary entry if you missed something.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 17 February, 2012, 10:04:16 am
If it really starts getting to me I'll just start a new thread : Weight loss discussion for fat bastards.

Or
"You may be thin, but I cruised round PBP carrying all this. Ha!"
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 February, 2012, 10:21:48 am
I'll do what I used to do years ago and just do a word document listing everything I eat and drink in a day. It did help me figure out the trends of BAD :hand: and showed me the timeline when things were going well.

Do what works for you. But whatever you do, the important thing is to be scrupulously honest and record everything. If you cheat by not recording that sneaky biscuit (or whole pack of biscuits, as the case might sometimes be - BTDTGTTS), it's only yourself you're cheating.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 17 February, 2012, 11:19:16 am
Definitely. Its the tediousness of recording it that helps  the cutting down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 17 February, 2012, 04:28:54 pm
Not a bad day today really. With dinner I'm going to be over my count but hopefully only by a couple of hundred, now I'm not exercising (bar walking and hopefully swimming before long) it means I'm really finding it hard to stay within my daily limit.

I'm going to start with the cycling again though but be sure to use/take ibuprofen with me for my knee until I see the physio. I just can't wait for my knee to be fixed so I can enjoy running and cycling again with out being in a lot of pain the day after.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 17 February, 2012, 07:22:30 pm
I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).

Cheese on toast last night.  After I had closed my diary so was not counted in MFP.

and while my BMI is now down to 26.9  I was certainly up in the high 30's several years ago.  There is no short term solution, but just keep plugging away, and do the exercise.  It all helps.

Geoff

You can still edit a completed diary entry if you missed something.
I know but it was after a couple of hours sleep and then woke up and could not go back to sleep.  I could not then be bothered to fire up the computer.  So in my heart I was over on the calories, but MFP was on my side and below target.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 17 February, 2012, 07:29:09 pm
I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).

Cheese on toast last night.  After I had closed my diary so was not counted in MFP.

and while my BMI is now down to 26.9  I was certainly up in the high 30's several years ago.  There is no short term solution, but just keep plugging away, and do the exercise.  It all helps.

Geoff

You can still edit a completed diary entry if you missed something.
I know but it was after a couple of hours sleep and then woke up and could not go back to sleep.  I could not then be bothered to fire up the computer.  So in my heart I was over on the calories, but MFP was on my side and below target.

Geoff

I wouldn't beat yourself up over a single midnight feast situation. Just don't do it every night!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 February, 2012, 07:29:57 pm
I might have lost a little weight.
I weigh 74kg in clothes and shoes. I weighed 74kg starkers a few weeks ago.
I will have to forego my Jaffa Cakes, croissants and snacking for many more months as I can't exercise.
I am aiming for a BMI of 24, which means there's about a stone to go...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 17 February, 2012, 07:39:24 pm
I might have lost a little weight.
I weigh 74kg in clothes and shoes. I weighed 74kg starkers a few weeks ago.
I will have to forego my Jaffa Cakes, croissants and snacking for many more months as I can't exercise.
I am aiming for a BMI of 24, which means there's about a stone to go...

This must take extreme willpower, you have my admiration Helly!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 February, 2012, 07:45:16 pm
I might have lost a little weight.
I weigh 74kg in clothes and shoes. I weighed 74kg starkers a few weeks ago.
I will have to forego my Jaffa Cakes, croissants and snacking for many more months as I can't exercise.
I am aiming for a BMI of 24, which means there's about a stone to go...

This must take extreme willpower, you have my admiration Helly!

 :) :)

Yebbut I admire your slender physique. I don't aspire to that as I lack the willpower and haven't had so low a BMI since I was a teenager.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 17 February, 2012, 08:04:29 pm
Also better this week.  Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.

S

I noticed that Tesco's two dine for £10 offer was £15 during the Valentine's week despite the meal choices being the same. Did M&S also go for a similar cheeky price hike?
I think the two for £20 includes a little more than the two for £10.  The wine may be a better choice. We got a bottle of pink Cava and a small box of chocolates (which had nine chocolates in--how is that supposed to be romantic?)

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashaman42 on 17 February, 2012, 11:09:49 pm
Also better this week.  Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.

S

I noticed that Tesco's two dine for £10 offer was £15 during the Valentine's week despite the meal choices being the same. Did M&S also go for a similar cheeky price hike?
I think the two for £20 includes a little more than the two for £10.  The wine may be a better choice. We got a bottle of pink Cava and a small box of chocolates (which had nine chocolates in--how is that supposed to be romantic?)

S

Ah ok, that doesn't sound as cheeky as Tesco. Nine chocolates though, what were they thinking?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 February, 2012, 11:21:51 pm
Also better this week.  Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.

S

I noticed that Tesco's two dine for £10 offer was £15 during the Valentine's week despite the meal choices being the same. Did M&S also go for a similar cheeky price hike?
I think the two for £20 includes a little more than the two for £10.  The wine may be a better choice. We got a bottle of pink Cava and a small box of chocolates (which had nine chocolates in--how is that supposed to be romantic?)

S

Ah ok, that doesn't sound as cheeky as Tesco. Nine chocolates though, what were they thinking?

Three each?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 February, 2012, 04:19:20 pm
Not the right day, of course, but my latest scales glitch was 112.2kg. I'll be perfectly happy if I can repeat or beat that on Wednesday.

In the past few days my scales' vagaries seem to have reduced somewhat. At bed-time I'm almost always below 116kg now, and mostly below 115. I still don't think its time to reduce my intake further, as things are heading in the right direction still. I'd really like to be below 108kg by the end of March, so that I can spend the next three month to my June target losing 8kg. We have two holidays between 1st April and 11th June, so I will have to be especially careful with the full Scottish breakfasts.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 18 February, 2012, 08:23:18 pm
I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).

Cheese on toast last night.  After I had closed my diary so was not counted in MFP.

and while my BMI is now down to 26.9  I was certainly up in the high 30's several years ago.  There is no short term solution, but just keep plugging away, and do the exercise.  It all helps.

Geoff

You can still edit a completed diary entry if you missed something.
I know but it was after a couple of hours sleep and then woke up and could not go back to sleep.  I could not then be bothered to fire up the computer.  So in my heart I was over on the calories, but MFP was on my side and below target.

Geoff

I wouldn't beat yourself up over a single midnight feast situation. Just don't do it every night!
First time in several years so not  a problem   ;)

When i wake in the night I normally just listen to the radio on headphones.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 18 February, 2012, 08:28:17 pm
I'd like to join in too. I do have a 'normal' BMI (23ish I think) but I definitely do have some to lose so I can come in here right?

I am/was an endurance runner. I've been injured just over a year, and have been cycling instead. I was smaller as a runner, and definitely had smaller thighs haha. I have finally had my injury diagnosed (nodular fascitiis- tumours in my foot that need surgery, on waiting list) but I will be a cyclist all this year and have entered the Mille Alba. I'd like to be lighter to get up the hills better, and I feel better about myself lighter, plus when I get back to running I don't want to make it any harder than it will already be!

I've got a bit down about my weight as since stopping running its been very hard to keep it down. I am determined to try and lose some of what has gone on to me. I'd like to lose just over half a stone, maybe about 10lbs. I find it very hard though- I comfort eat and definitely eat too many snacks as well as big meals. I probably eat about 2500 calories a day, and I don't need that many. I want to drop to about 2000 and see if I can lose weight on that. I've just found MFP so that will help.

If its ok I might ramble on about what I've stuffed in my gob on here, and see if people have any suggestions about what I could change?

One issue I do have is that my partner cooks for me in the evening (I am very lucky) but its quite big portions and I don't have much control over what we have, I never want to appear ungrateful and I'm totally rubbish at stopping when full and seem unable to leave anything on my plate. A habit I need to break.

I have started doing several classes at the gym like body pump, pilates, body balance and not sure how many calories they burn, body pump must burn a fair few but maybe I should just leave those as extra and not log them. They also totally overestimate cycling. I weight 9 stone 4- any ideas how many cals an hour cycling might burn? I reckon maybe 350 riding generally and 300 at audax pace?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashaman42 on 18 February, 2012, 09:16:24 pm
One issue I do have is that my partner cooks for me in the evening (I am very lucky) but its quite big portions and I don't have much control over what we have, I never want to appear ungrateful and I'm totally rubbish at stopping when full and seem unable to leave anything on my plate. A habit I need to break.

What about talking to him and making it very clear you are grateful but want to eat less? Maybe he could dish you up a smaller portion and the rest into a tupperware for lunch the next day (assuming you normally have a similar sized lunch anyway).

That way he can still cook what/how much he likes but you still get some portion control.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 18 February, 2012, 09:20:41 pm
I have tried. He just says I'm being stupid and I'm fine as I am. But I'm really not happy with the weight I've put on. I then always vow to leave some but I find it almost impossible.

I try and have a small lunch as I have snacks in the day. Usually in 2 parts- a salad at about 12 Ish and a Covent garden soup thing about 1.30-2 as I find they are v filling for not many calories :)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashaman42 on 18 February, 2012, 09:58:32 pm
I don't know then. I'd guess you tried "but I'm not happy" but if he won't listen.

Ok, purely to help you out I will come and steal half your dinner  O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 18 February, 2012, 11:18:06 pm
Replace your plates and bowls with smaller ones.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 19 February, 2012, 09:33:41 am
I completely agree, this is just what we do.  My husband enjoys shopping/cooking - for which I'm very grateful.  He is much taller than me at 6'2" and so has a large plate with equally large portions whilst I have a smaller plate with smaller portions.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 19 February, 2012, 01:07:15 pm
Rode 20ish miles with fboab and Chris S yesterday.

Today I am 2kg lighter. Magic!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 February, 2012, 01:21:03 pm
Rode 20ish miles with fboab and Chris S yesterday.

Today I am 2kg lighter. Magic!

Did they surgically remove part of you and eat it?   :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 February, 2012, 04:09:24 pm
Rode 20ish miles with fboab and Chris S yesterday.

Today I am 2kg lighter. Magic!

Our pleasure!

(now, if you could return the favour next time... )
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 19 February, 2012, 04:10:56 pm
Rode 20ish miles with fboab and Chris S yesterday.

Today I am 2kg lighter. Magic!

Did they surgically remove part of you and eat it?   :o

We talked a lot about weight loss when we were riding. Then we ate a hyyeeeeooooge lunch.

I'm guessing the talking was more than enough to offset the lunch.

I managed to ride 92km and put on 2Kg. Must have been the beer with the lunch  ::-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 February, 2012, 04:17:20 pm
I have started doing several classes at the gym like body pump, pilates, body balance and not sure how many calories they burn, body pump must burn a fair few but maybe I should just leave those as extra and not log them. They also totally overestimate cycling. I weight 9 stone 4- any ideas how many cals an hour cycling might burn? I reckon maybe 350 riding generally and 300 at audax pace?
I count 500/hr whatever. I reckon it evens out. 500/hr gives me enough to keep riding on without being the ridiculous amounts the websites suggest.
I suppose if lost a lot I might have to drop that a bit though  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 February, 2012, 04:52:50 pm
At my typical audax pace my best estimate is about 500-600/hr. I'm about 11 stone. Website numbers are about 750/hr but they are including some effort I can't measure on the power tap so I'm happy to use their numbers.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 19 February, 2012, 07:08:07 pm
Hmmm ok will try that and see where it gets me :)

70 mile Sportive today, I dont do many sportives but there wasn't much around to do today. God it was really tough the hills were ridiculous. 7000ft climbing in the 70 miles but it felt like more.

3 toast and peanut butter for brekky with a lucozade sport, 2 bananas and small clif bar in morning, soup and roll after ride plus a bit of the free flapjack, apple this afternoon and chilli with rice tonight, a shape yoghurt and 2 thorntons Chocs left over from valentines. Oh and some energy drink on ride. I reckon 2700 calories for the day. Does that sound somewhere near right? Ride time was 5.05
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 20 February, 2012, 08:40:58 am
Down to 81 yesterday. Which is exactly the same as the week before but I have a feeling a I may have been dehydrated the week before.

First run yesterday for a while, knee held up well which surprised me. That run yesterday put me well within my calorie limit for the day. Today I'm on track to be well within my calories for the day (planned meals ahead) and I'm left with 850 for the evening meal which I should be under.

Tomorrow another run planned which means I can eat a little more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 20 February, 2012, 09:59:46 am
Got up early this morning for me (5.10)

50 min cycle to gym opposite work. 90 mins on spin bike including a 45 min spin class so 37 miles done before work.

Have a 45 min spin class at lunchtime and then a 50 min cycle home, so I should get nearly 4 hours of cycling in today.

So far I've had a coffee when I got up, and since I got to work a big bowl of porridge made with water with a banana, half a scoop of toffee protein (makes it takes lovely) and some strawberries in it. And another coffee.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 20 February, 2012, 10:16:50 am
Blimey. Good work.  :thumbsup:

d.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 20 February, 2012, 10:26:00 am
Good effort!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 20 February, 2012, 10:34:52 am
We took the dog to the New Forest this weekend. I ate a fair amount of very bad food (chips! Scones with clotted cream! Eggy bread! More chips!) and didn’t update MFP at all because the internet/3G connection in our B&B was extremely slow and annoying. However, we walked around 12 miles altogether through rather ‘challenging’ terrain (there was a lot of thick clay grabby mud and my boot got stuck/came off a couple of times, plus there was much clambering over fallen trees and jumping over streams/ditches – at times just staying upright was a challenge). I actually feel so shattered from our ‘relaxing’ weekend away that I’ve cancelled my spin class this evening, which I feel bad about, but there is very little point in me going and sitting there twiddling with the resistance turned right down because I feel so tired.

My ultimate goal is to keep my weight roughly where it is (suspect this won't be happening after this weekend ) and be reasonably fit in time for a camping tour in the summer; we are being joined by my brother-not-in-law and while he knows that it won’t be a speedy tour, I don’t want to be a massive ball and chain either as he is used to cycling in hillier terrain than I. So if I do lose a bit more, that will be a bit more I don’t have to haul up hills along with my camping stuff.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jezzasnr on 20 February, 2012, 10:37:32 am
OK, this has GOT to stop!!
Not entered a weight for a couple of weeks as i've been away with work/holiday/general mayhem.
I've posted early this week as i shall be in London for a bit and wont be able to weigh on the home scales to keep things consitent.
The plain truth is that i need to get my diet back on track. Although the weight has remained steady(ish), it really needs to be going down.
I've become pretty lazy about keeping to the diet. Stupid really because when i was on it i felt great and all of the numbers were heading the right way. I think that i've become a bit complacent & let things go.
In a moment of weakness, i had a glass of wine. Something I'd sworn that i wouldn't do.
I've got an appointment on Friday with the diabetic nurse. I'll be interested to see how the test results come back.
I wouldn't be suprised if they are OK, but i don't want OK having made such big improvements initially. I know its bound to plateau at some point, but i don't honestly think that i'm at that stage yet.
Equally, it wouldn't suprise me if things aren't as good as the last check up 6 months ago and i get a bollocking!!
Thanks for indulging a rather self obsessed post, but I wanted to get my thoughts out.
Stay Hungry!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 20 February, 2012, 10:49:01 am
Nothing wrong with writing it down. I find it helps as you are committing to something then.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 20 February, 2012, 02:29:14 pm
Down 1.5kg since my last weigh in - a week of flu. I feel weak as a kitten.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 20 February, 2012, 02:30:50 pm
Down 1.5kg since my last weigh in - a week of flu. I feel weak as a kitten.
I've been thinking of hiring you- all that calorie-burning cleaning. You could come on over to Suffolk and get a Great Burn in my house ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 21 February, 2012, 09:56:36 am
Yes, does anyone want to do my cleaning?

24 miles and body pump before work this morning. I meant to weigh myself but I forgot. Have had my porridge with fruit and protein for breakfast but still hungry. I guess we need to be hungry sometimes. Ate quite well yesterday, but I reall struggle with less than 2500 calories. I'm not going to lose weight on that :(

Have spinning at lunchtime, 45 min circuit class after work and an 11 mile cycle home. Soup and salad for lunch. No idea what dinner is but have bought in some healthy snacks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 21 February, 2012, 10:01:56 am
Yes, does anyone want to do my cleaning?

24 miles and body pump before work this morning. I meant to weigh myself but I forgot. Have had my porridge with fruit and protein for breakfast but still hungry. I guess we need to be hungry sometimes. Ate quite well yesterday, but I reall struggle with less than 2500 calories. I'm not going to lose weight on that :(

Have spinning at lunchtime, 45 min circuit class after work and an 11 mile cycle home. Soup and salad for lunch. No idea what dinner is but have bought in some healthy snacks.
Sounds like you are doing too much. You need quite a lot of carbs to maintain that level of exercise and not wear down. I find even my 9 mile commute in the evening is a struggle if I just have salad for lunch - I either have soup and bread for lunch or pasta and the pasta is better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 February, 2012, 10:06:56 am
I seem to have fallen off the mini-plateau I was on earlier in the month and things are heading in the right direction again. This is probably associated with the fact that the past week has seen me return to some decent milage.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 21 February, 2012, 10:12:37 am
I do have quite a few snacks though- in the afternoon I tend to have a piece of fruit or 2, a yoghurt and half a protein bar (have other half in morning) Sometimes I also have a slice of malt loaf before the cycle home. That's 300-400 cals of snacks in the afternoon which should be enough I think? It needs to keep me going until about 8pm when I have dinner.

In the morning I have half a protein bar as a snack. I break up my lunch so I have salad before spinning and soup after.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 21 February, 2012, 10:15:00 am
Thats good news Wowbagger :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 21 February, 2012, 10:15:44 am
Well done, that Wow! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 21 February, 2012, 10:34:22 am
Lady Cavendish, from what you list you are eating it doesn't sound like very much to me. I'm on about 2500 calories per day (doing about 900 calories of exercise a day) and seem to be eating very heartily - main meals and snacks. I don't feel hungry and I often end up with several hundred spare calories at the end of the day. I wonder if some of your food is very energy-dense (protein bar) so doesn't fill you up, whereas I am eating a lot of low-energy foods (vast quantities of vegetables with my main meal) which make me feel full but aren't eating too much into my calorie allowance.

I was going to have a piece of flapjack the other day but realised how many calories it is for a small piece. No thanks, I'll have something less calorific instead!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 21 February, 2012, 10:39:38 am
Hmmmmm. Maybe. Well the protein bars I have are homemade and work out at 250 cals each for 27g protein. I eat half in morning and half in afternoon- I find the 125 cals more filling than if I have a cereal bar which are normally sugary rubbish.

My salad I have in the morning is great, like you say, its a big bowl that fills me up for hardly any calories, and I love salad. My soup tends to be about 300.

My biggest downfall is that I try and keep back 1000 for the evening, I think my eve meals (cooked for me) are normally in the region of 800.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 21 February, 2012, 10:55:45 am
Ordered a fancy body composition monitor off the net.

My main problem still is snacking.

I just have to stick to 3 meals a day and no snacking. Just have to use the willpower that will get me up a hill drenched in sweat, heart rate going through the roof, feeling dizzy from exertion, to not go to the vending machine downstairs to get a bag of crisps everytime I'm peckish.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 21 February, 2012, 11:53:30 am
I've been good today. Also pancakes are much healthier than I thought (only have them with lemon)

So I'm going to have some soup for lunch as well.

Run tonight which should put me well within my calories (1580) for the day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 21 February, 2012, 12:09:02 pm
There Will Be Pancakes Tonight.

Fact.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 21 February, 2012, 12:27:08 pm
Also I'm wondering if my 1580 calories are too low for me. I haven't really felt dizzy or anything but long term effects are worrying.

For info I'm 6 ft 2 and weigh 81kg (as of Sunday)

My target is around 75kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 21 February, 2012, 01:00:35 pm
There Will Be Pancakes Tonight.

+6
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 21 February, 2012, 01:22:39 pm
1580 calories... 6 ft 2 and weigh 81kg

What's your target rate of weight loss? I'm guessing from those figures it's something like 1.5-2lb a week, which would be difficult for anyone to maintain. If you're struggling, maybe try reducing it to 1lb a week - you won't reach your target as quickly but you might find it easier to maintain the self-discipline to stick to the regime in the long run.

Also, listen to what your body is telling you and don't get too obsessed with the figures - if you're hungry, for god's sake eat something.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 21 February, 2012, 01:43:19 pm
My target is 1.5 lbs a week net calories per day of 1,580 which is before any exercise. On the days I exercise I tend to eat a few of the calories back depending on the exercise.

My usual calories on a day is 2,330 which means I've created a 750 calorie deficit per day = 5,250 per week.

I don't actually feel that hungry (stomach must be getting smaller) and last night I barely managed to finish my evening meal. I'm mentally struggling to break past the 80kg mark, have hovered around it and gone up a little but not broken through it yet, I'm hoping this weekend I'll be through it, or at least very, very close to it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 21 February, 2012, 02:14:58 pm
I'm increasing my daily calorie intake from 1400 to 1600 (before exercise).

I am feeling devoid of energy - which just won't do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 21 February, 2012, 02:20:45 pm
I don't actually feel that hungry (stomach must be getting smaller) and last night I barely managed to finish my evening meal. I'm mentally struggling to break past the 80kg mark, have hovered around it and gone up a little but not broken through it yet, I'm hoping this weekend I'll be through it, or at least very, very close to it.

If you're coping OK on that regime, by all means carry on with it. The weight will come off sooner or later. But do bear in mind that you don't need to lose any weight - you're already in the "healthy" range for BMI.

I'm increasing my daily calorie intake from 1400 to 1600 (before exercise).

I am feeling devoid of energy - which just won't do.

Sensible.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 21 February, 2012, 03:09:31 pm
I'm aware I could do with losing a few more KG I'd be happy at 75ish which means I don't really have that much too lose, 76.5KG is 12 stone, which means I've got under a stone to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 22 February, 2012, 06:23:35 am
Dropping weight at a steady pace, down 15 kg since Jan. 1 and sticking to my diet : 2300 Kcal/day and plenty of vegetables.  :D :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 February, 2012, 06:26:48 am
Crikey, Gus, that's pretty fast!  I think I'm doing ok, and I haven't dropped 6kg yet!  But I am pleased with my progress. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 22 February, 2012, 06:40:41 am
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 22 February, 2012, 08:16:43 am
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking  :thumbsup:

Well done! How long ago did you quit the smoking?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 22 February, 2012, 08:43:42 am
The 1.5kg I'm down is from flu. Still feel rotten.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2012, 08:59:05 am
Happy with the way things are going. 112.2 this morning, and that wasn't a glitch. I got that three or four times. There was a glitch of 111.8 - the first sub-112 glitch I've had - but that can wait until next week. Another two good weeks and I'll be half-way towards my June target.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 22 February, 2012, 08:59:20 am
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking  :thumbsup:

Well done! How long ago did you quit the smoking?

2 years ago this April, and i could still murder a smoke just now. Like most people i replaced the fags with biscuits and cakes  :P that's why i'm in this position just now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2012, 09:01:36 am
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking  :thumbsup:

Well done! How long ago did you quit the smoking?

2 years ago this April, and i could still murder a smoke just now. Like most people i replaced the fags with biscuits and cakes  :P that's why i'm in this position just now.

Blimey! You are doing brilliantly then. I gave up smoking nearly 26 years ago and I can't remember the urge to smoke carrying on more than a few weeks. Mind you, I was never a very heavy smoker. How long did you smoke for?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 22 February, 2012, 09:17:10 am
Another pound or so. Slow and steady.
Actually, considering what we've been eating and drinking this week, I'm really quite pleased and surprised with that result. I suspect MrsC, who is rather shorter than me, does no exercise and eats pretty well what I do will not be so happy.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 February, 2012, 09:30:05 am
0.4kg off this week.  To be honest, I'd hoped for a bit more, after a.lot of riding and keeping well under goal.  But I'm satisfied with what I've done.  Need to keep going.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 22 February, 2012, 09:32:13 am
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking  :thumbsup:

I'm looking forward to being able to say that.
Even then I would be 40% heavier than I was on the last occassion I knocked a coffin nail in.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 22 February, 2012, 09:32:46 am
Now at 7kg lost since Jan 1 which is more than the weight of my dog (and she's a heavy little thing when I pick her up to stop her launching herself at the postman). The downward progress continues but has slowed somewhat; that's OK, I know you always do very well in the first month and then it gets harder. Another 11kg to go overall. I'm hoping my German trip will help - although I shall be eating lots of cake, I'll probably end up with a significant calorie deficit each day because of the mileage and not having enough energy to eat a really big evening meal!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 22 February, 2012, 09:53:14 am
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking  :thumbsup:

Well done! How long ago did you quit the smoking?

2 years ago this April, and i could still murder a smoke just now. Like most people i replaced the fags with biscuits and cakes  :P that's why i'm in this position just now.

Blimey! You are doing brilliantly then. I gave up smoking nearly 26 years ago and I can't remember the urge to smoke carrying on more than a few weeks. Mind you, I was never a very heavy smoker. How long did you smoke for?

I smoked (very heavily) a variety of legal and illegal substances for 24 years.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 22 February, 2012, 09:55:56 am
Two weeks off the bike, 1.5 weeks on holiday -> 3kg over my weight at the start of the year. :(  Time to really buckle down and control my diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 22 February, 2012, 10:09:49 am
I got up too late to weigh myself this morning, so I'll have to look when I get home tonight. Considering the amount of food I've eaten this week I'm not looking forward to the result :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 February, 2012, 10:21:44 am
If you've been weighing in in the morning, better to do it tomorrow, so it is more comparable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2012, 10:43:38 am
It seems to me that in some ways it's lots better to lose weight slowly than it is too quickly.

I don't know about others, but I get "comfortable" with a weight, which in my case has always been far too high. "110kg? That's really good - I used to be 120kg!" The important thing is to get comfortable with lower weights but without losing the ambition. It's about 25 years since I was 90kg but that's my target for the end of 2012. It's still overweight.

I'm not sure that what I'm saying means what I intended when I started this post. I think I know what I mean though!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 22 February, 2012, 10:49:04 am
I think you're decribing the fable of the hare and the tortoice with reference to weight loss. Is that what you meant?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 February, 2012, 10:54:33 am
It's about 25 years since I was 90kg but that's my target for the end of 2012. It's still overweight.

The lightest I've been as a parent is 68kg. I looked ill. BMI for that is 26.5.

I thought DrMekon looked a bit ill when I saw him last, with his low BMI thingy. But erm, it turned out he was ill.

Some people are meant to be skinny, some are not.

None of us, though, are meant to be fat, and that's what we're trying to shed.
I think you're decribing the fable of the hare and the tortoice with reference to weight loss. Is that what you meant?
That's how I read it. To give yourself time to acclimitise to being the size you are, to avoid complacency.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: dasmoth on 22 February, 2012, 11:02:29 am
After a year of my weight staying alarmingly stable, I weighed myself this morning and found that I'd dropped about 3kg in a week.  Now I have been not-entirely-trivially ill for a chunk of that, but it still seems barely plausible.  Are Wiis known for lying about such things?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 22 February, 2012, 11:02:35 am
I can pull my jeans down without undoing the button!!!!

I think this might mean it's time to fish out the box of Size 16 clothing  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2012, 11:05:42 am
I think I meant that if you lose it too quickly you might well be more liable to put it back on again. I think my problem is bad habits, especially comfort eating in the evening. So far this year I've broken that habit. All my weight loss is a direct result.

Every day this year my daily food routine has been typically:-

Breakfast - bowl of porridge or cereal and a cup of tea or two.

11ses: a cup of coffee.

Lunch: three or four slices of bread with soup, some fruit and more tea. I might also have a bit of cake or a geobar.

Dinner: meat & three veg, something for afters which is normally more fruit. Sometimes, if Aunt Phyllis comes, we will have a proper "afters" of a pudding or a pie.

During a day's cycling there may well be more intake.

That's causing me to lose weight reasonably quickly, I think, but it's something I can keep up. If I went much below this, reducing portion size etc, it's something I would have to change again when I reach the target weight. I think the above is perfectly OK for keeping body & soul together and I'll maintain it as long as the weight is coming off. I'm not feeling hungry all that much - perhaps for the last hour or so before a meal, so I can hang on that long. What I'd dread is sitting down to a meal with portions so small that I'd still feel hungry when I finished.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2012, 11:07:40 am
I can pull my jeans down without undoing the button!!!!

I think this might mean it's time to fish out the box of Size 16 clothing  ;D

Congratulations! Are there photos?  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 February, 2012, 11:24:14 am
I think I meant that if you lose it too quickly you might well be more liable to put it back on again.

I agree. Also, if you try to lose it too quickly, you'll probably struggle to maintain the regime, get demoralised and be more likely to give up.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 February, 2012, 11:25:10 am
After a year of my weight staying alarmingly stable, I weighed myself this morning and found that I'd dropped about 3kg in a week.  Now I have been not-entirely-trivially ill for a chunk of that, but it still seems barely plausible.  Are Wiis known for lying about such things?

I shed 2kg in four days when I had flu recently. It soon went back on though. Mostly dehydration, I think.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 February, 2012, 11:26:12 am
I can pull my jeans down without undoing the button!!!!

Woo! Well done.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2012, 11:49:40 am
After a year of my weight staying alarmingly stable, I weighed myself this morning and found that I'd dropped about 3kg in a week.  Now I have been not-entirely-trivially ill for a chunk of that, but it still seems barely plausible.  Are Wiis known for lying about such things?

I shed 2kg in four days when I had flu recently. It soon went back on though. Mostly dehydration, I think.

d.

When I was teaching, I lost 3 stone in 3 weeks as a result of having mumps. On the first day's illness, Mrs. Wow thought soup would be a good idea. The pain from my salivary glands was excruciating when faced with a bowl of Heinz tomato. For the whole of that period, I could hardly eat anything due to lack of saliva being produced, and I was running a really high temperature as well.

I shudder to think what would have happened to me if I'd been 12 stone at the start of the illness rather than at the end of it. It took quite a few months for me to recover properly and my salivary glands to start working again and at least a year before I stopped waking up in the night so drenched in sweat that we needed to change the sheets. Fortunately this didn't happen every night.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 22 February, 2012, 12:48:32 pm
Had 10 days of sopping wet nightsweats with my current bout of the flu. I've been sleeping on towels in an effort not to have to strip the bed in the night. Waking up with my whole head drenched in sweat in a new one for me. It's been grim.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 February, 2012, 01:58:34 pm
Didn't have time to update the graphs before work this morning. Will do it when I get home after pubbe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 February, 2012, 02:14:25 pm
I've just seen another duplicate post in the weight reports thread. Only one post per user please! I am tempted to modify the code to ignore users who fail to respect this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on 22 February, 2012, 03:37:24 pm
I had mumps twice.  The doctors didn't believe it either.  In case you're worrying, my gonads are normal size and I have two children.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2012, 08:05:48 pm
Mrs. Wow was 5 months pregnant with our 3rd when I had mumps. Fortunately my gonads were unaffected, as was the foetus, which is now in the final year of its PhD. A little under 2 years after recovering from mumps, Mrs. Wow and I procreated for the 4th and final time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 22 February, 2012, 08:27:29 pm
Completely blown it this evening - found a box of forgotten After Eights from Christmas - they do go down so easily - even when you get to the 10th, 11th, 12th...  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 23 February, 2012, 06:25:59 am
Completely blown it this evening - found a box of forgotten After Eights from Christmas - they do go down so easily - even when you get to the 10th, 11th, 12th...  :-[

Today is a new day,  just carry on as you were before the lapse.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 23 February, 2012, 08:27:24 am
Put on 0.8kg this week: unsurprising as I was away on business for two days.... meals while away included a pizza, a cooked breakfast and a pasty for lunch, along with lots of cake  :(

Must try harder this week and even do some cycling!!!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 February, 2012, 11:35:39 am
Didn't get a chance to weigh myself yesterday, so used Monday's weight. Weighed myself this morning - another kg down. That's 2.5kg since I got the flu.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Steve GT on 23 February, 2012, 11:38:14 am
Dropping weight at a steady pace, down 15 kg since Jan. 1 and sticking to my diet : 2300 Kcal/day and plenty of vegetables.  :D :D
When I PM'ed you yesterday I had not seen your post -
Well done Sir - Keep it up :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 23 February, 2012, 12:45:02 pm
Whoops, 78kg here.  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 23 February, 2012, 03:46:49 pm
Somehow I managed to lose 600g last week :) - I'm guessing the Ash Wednesday fast yesterday had something to do with that though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 February, 2012, 11:23:42 am
Been towing a trailer a lot behind my Pompino this week, and maintaining a net calorie balance designed to have a static weight. This seems to be about right, my weight is stable. However, the flab has reduced a bit with the calories being controlled and the increased mileage.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 February, 2012, 12:52:24 pm
I'm reaching the danger zone of new year weight loss: when March comes round, it gets harder and I tend to lose interest. I'm hoping that acknowledging that before it happens might help me to avoid it this year.

Still aiming for 100kg by June.
Still aiming for 100kg by June.
Still aiming for 100kg by June.
Still aiming for 100kg by June....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 February, 2012, 10:36:24 pm
Oops. Online shopping means I've ended up with two custard tarts and 3 yumyums to eat tonight. And I'm already 200 calories over. I wouldn't have bought them if shopping in a shop with such short dates.

Going on a club run tomorrow fortunately. Can burn it off.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 25 February, 2012, 10:56:55 am
I'm 3.8 lbs down since Tues but I've got flu so I doubt it will last!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 25 February, 2012, 11:10:48 am
I'm 3.1kg down this morning :o - I think I should have drunk more on my ride last night  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 February, 2012, 03:20:57 pm
I did club run and some extra miles after. 3500 calories burned. Last five miles home into headwind and bonking.  :hand: Felt sick when I got off the bike. I didn't hold back on the hills and paid for it.
Title: Re: (not really about) Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 25 February, 2012, 06:47:11 pm
Also better this week.  Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.

S

I noticed that Tesco's two dine for £10 offer was £15 during the Valentine's week despite the meal choices being the same. Did M&S also go for a similar cheeky price hike?
I think the two for £20 includes a little more than the two for £10.  The wine may be a better choice. We got a bottle of pink Cava and a small box of chocolates (which had nine chocolates in--how is that supposed to be romantic?)

S
We had the £10 option tonight (or rather, we had the main course and side dish--the pudding is for tomorrow and the wine has just gone into the rack).
The £10 is only two courses, not the three of the Valentine's dinner, doesn't have the chocolates and the wines are (I suspect) cheaper.  There was no Cava for instance/

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 February, 2012, 07:19:17 pm
Our 11ses stop included just a chocolate hobnob in the way of calories. The lunch stop was fairly carby, consisting of wild boar burger, chips and 2 pinds of "Goat's Leap" which caused some amusement to another customer when I ordered mine as "Go to sleep". I've had chicken & rice for dinner, so I would imagine that my 40 miles sn't really far enough to offset that lot.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 25 February, 2012, 08:27:52 pm
My fifty miler burned off 2,300 cals so I've still got a thousand in the bag after my evening Toad in the Hole (with just two sausages)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 February, 2012, 08:31:29 pm
In that case I may well have burned more than I ate.

According to this I burned 1934 calories.

http://www.bicycling.com/calorieresults/e83cc49425b25044a01a44a8ae2201ec

How many calories was our lunch? My two pints of ale must have been about 360 calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 25 February, 2012, 09:45:40 pm
Lunch I guessed at about 1000 calories for the food, I also had one orange juice.

My figures are from my HRM. I did go pretty fast to Marks Tey and after I left you I zoomed home so was probably working a bit harder for those 22-ish miles then when we were riding together.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 February, 2012, 10:30:07 pm
mfp reckons my 70 miles today was 3500 calories. The garmin says 3900. I am not sure which is more accurate but I used the smaller number.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 February, 2012, 08:10:19 am
My Sunday Morning Weigh-in has me at 111.4 kg, a loss this year of 8.6. There was one glitch when the scales read 110.8, but I think I can afford to ignore the glitches now and concentrate on a figure the scales repeat often enough to make it credible, so 111.4 has gone on my spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 26 February, 2012, 09:23:14 am
MFP grossly overestimates calories burned.

I'm amazed at the amount people reckon they are burning on rides. 50 miles I reckon only earns me about 1100 (granted, I'm a 58kg female but even still, there are some massive numbers being thrown around). Even for a 200k Audax, I only get about 2,500-2,700
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 February, 2012, 10:01:52 am
we were riding for 12 hours yesterday. My 85 kg counts that as 6000. It'd be less if it was warmer and/or flatter, and less windy. It doesn't really matter, as even I would be hard pushed to eat all of them.
I've always found audax days ok, it's not eating so much in the days afterwards  when The Hunger strikes that's the struggle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 26 February, 2012, 10:32:32 am
MFP grossly overestimates calories burned.

I'm amazed at the amount people reckon they are burning on rides. 50 miles I reckon only earns me about 1100 (granted, I'm a 58kg female but even still, there are some massive numbers being thrown around). Even for a 200k Audax, I only get about 2,500-2,700

Actually MFP does not, but you need to decide on whether to put in the minutes as light, moderate or vigorous based on how much effort you think you consistently put in rather than the speed. Doing 12 mph uphill on a mountain bike is clearly not equivalent to doing 12mph on the flat on a road bike with a tail wind. If you read back above you will see that Simon has compared MFP's estimates with actual measured power output using a Powertap and found it to be largely accurate. What are you basing your estimates on? Heavier people and people with more muscle mass that is metabolically active burn off more calories, and males burn off more than females. If you think you can ride 50 miles and only burn off 1100 calories then you must either have a very efficient metabolism or you are cruising along the flat on a lightweight bike behind someone else because you would burn off 1100 just lying in bed all day!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 26 February, 2012, 11:15:40 am
I did a study for Someones research project at a lab in Twickenham. The given figure for running is 100 cal a mile, I was burning 70. My OH who is 6 foot and 11 stone burnt 110.

Cycling to work I average a HR of 140 for the 70ish mins that it takes. (ave speed normally about 16-16.5mph) With all their gadgets that was found to burn 410 Ish. It's an undulating route, not flat. My Audax HR is lower than that and so if harder cycling is about 370 per hour for me, Audax must be less. Therefore even if being generous and saying 340, 12 hours would only earn me 4000. I normally average 9-9.30 riding time (more like 3000)- and I think 340 is generous compared to cycling to work effort.

They are just my figures though- and I struggle to lose weight even using those figures and still staying green on MFP.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 26 February, 2012, 11:17:37 am
Oh yes and forgot to mention the cycling to work figures were on my heavier bike with full pannier on. I'm much lighter for Audaxes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 26 February, 2012, 11:32:30 am
Oh yes and forgot to mention the cycling to work figures were on my heavier bike with full pannier on. I'm much lighter for Audaxes.

Yeah, I am using the 'light' cycling figures for my lighter weight bike regardless of how fast I ride it, and 'moderate' for my heavier winter bike with its fat tyres or ice tyres on. There is a possibility the fitter you are the fewer calories you burn doing the same thing I suppose. I have stamina but don't consider myself very fit. My average heart rate is about 170bpm on most rides, partly because of asthma. I don't know whether this means I burn more off, or whether it just makes me sound like I am about to expire on ascents but with the same calorie burn. I seem to be losing weight at roughly the rate MFP says I should be for what I'm eating and logging so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 February, 2012, 12:06:12 pm
I did a study for Someones research project at a lab in Twickenham. The given figure for running is 100 cal a mile, I was burning 70. My OH who is 6 foot and 11 stone burnt 110.

Myfitnesspal doesn’t give a constant 100 calories per mile, it adjusts it based on weight, though not enough to explain all that discrepancy. For your OH’s weight, it says 113/mile and for yours, 93/mile. Running economy is a big factor in running pace and energy consumption, though.

I used my power tap yesterday and it says I output 2530kJ over the whole ride. Even being very generous, that can’t be less than 2500 calories for 70 miles, and doesn’t allow anything simply for the time spent cycling in addition to the output at the wheel, and assumes muscle efficiency at the high end.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 February, 2012, 12:59:48 pm
LadyCavendish's figures are very similar to those I found I was using when commuting and Audaxing. Never had MFP (or even a PC) then. 400kcal/hour when cycling quite hard usually meant I had the weight/bonk balance right. (70kg female)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 26 February, 2012, 01:13:06 pm
Sorry Simon I didn't mean MFP gives everyone 100 cals a mile. I didn't explain that at all well. I mean its what u read generically in all the magazines/books about running.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 February, 2012, 01:37:32 pm
Sorry Simon I didn't mean MFP gives everyone 100 cals a mile. I didn't explain that at all well. I mean its what u read generically in all the magazines/books about running.

Yeah I guessed it was an 'average' figure. MFP does better than that by accounting for your weight but it's not the only variable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 27 February, 2012, 10:13:45 am
I used my power tap yesterday and it says I output 2530kJ over the whole ride. Even being very generous, that can’t be less than 2500 calories for 70 miles, and doesn’t allow anything simply for the time spent cycling in addition to the output at the wheel, and assumes muscle efficiency at the high end.

What do you get if you just convert the watt-hours to kcal?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 February, 2012, 10:46:40 am
I used my power tap yesterday and it says I output 2530kJ over the whole ride. Even being very generous, that can’t be less than 2500 calories for 70 miles, and doesn’t allow anything simply for the time spent cycling in addition to the output at the wheel, and assumes muscle efficiency at the high end.

What do you get if you just convert the watt-hours to kcal?

You mean not allowing anything for efficiency? That'd be about 1/4, or 625kCal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 27 February, 2012, 12:12:18 pm
I'm a little confused with that. A 'calorie' in dieting terms is actually a kCal. So the powertap is saying you burnt 625 kCal above normal activity in that time? ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 February, 2012, 12:28:21 pm
I'm a little confused with that. A 'calorie' in dieting terms is actually a kCal. So the powertap is saying you burnt 625 kCal above normal activity in that time? ???

No, more like 2500 plus some. Detailed answer follows:

The powertap is saying that I output 2530kJ of work in that time. This is 625kCal, roughly (it's actually a little less). However that is output energy not input energy (which is what food calories - kCal indeed - are).

Before I used livestring and then myfitnesspal I tended to assume that 1kJ => 1kCal, i.e. canceling out the 4:1 division. This approximation assumes that the 4.2:1 ratio between a kCal and a kJ is roughly cancelled out by the inherent efficiency of about 25% in human energy matabolism. Hence the figure I would have used would be 2530kCal.

From wikipedia:

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The efficiency of human muscle has been measured (in the context of rowing and cycling) at 18% to 26%. The efficiency is defined as the ratio of mechanical work output to the total metabolic cost, as can be calculated from oxygen consumption. This low efficiency is the result of about 40% efficiency of generating ATP from food energy, losses in converting energy from ATP into mechanical work inside the muscle, and mechanical losses inside the body. The latter two losses are dependent on the type of exercise and the type of muscle fibers being used (fast-twitch or slow-twitch). For an overal efficiency of 20 percent, one watt of mechanical power is equivalent to 4.3 kcal per hour. For example, a manufacturer of rowing equipment shows burned calories as four times the actual mechanical work, plus 300 kcal per hour,[17] which amounts to about 20 percent efficiency at 250 watts of mechanical output. The mechanical energy output of a cyclic contraction can depend upon many factors, including activation timing, muscle strain trajectory, and rates of force rise & decay. These can be synthesized experimentally using work loop analysis.

Note the 300kcal/hour constant used by Concept II on the rowing machine. I think you have to assume an increased energy burn from cycling over and above that purely attributable to mechanical power (e.g. it takes more effort to ride an electric bike than to lie in bed). I'm not sure how much we can attribute to that but it can't be zero so there must be some additional energy consumption above that ~2500kCal that I can't directly measure.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 27 February, 2012, 12:49:05 pm
fwiw, riding sitting on a spinning bike for 30min i burn about 400 calories at 270w average, which would translate to 800cal/hour. however that's pretty damn intense and i'm not sure if i could sustain this average for an hour, let alone longer.

for long/audax rides i reckon my output average is 150-180w (not tested, but comparing perceived effort), which is 450-500cal/hour. aformentioned 70miles ride is done in 4hr when ridden vigorously (~27kph), so calorie count for me would be ~2000.

what i'm intersted in is if doing different excercises (e.g. running, swimming, rowing etc) at the same heartrate burn the same/similar amount of calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 February, 2012, 01:08:57 pm
150w * 3600 secs / 4200 (joules per kCal) / 0.25 (efficiency 25%) => 512kCal/hr

180w * same => 617kCal/hr

270w * same => 925kCal/hr

How do you obtain the calorie figures you're using? The 150w-180w range is about what I've measured for my Audax riding, and I think you're faster than me. I averaged 160w or so on Saturday, but that was spending 1/2 the ride in a bunch, and power was very variable.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 27 February, 2012, 02:29:36 pm
80.9 kg yesterday.

Knee is still hurting but hopefully I'll be seeing someone (private or otherwise) about that before long. Planning on a couple of rides this weekend, will ibuprofen it up and hope for the best.

Absolutely determined to get below that 80kg mark, last Monday I was below it but imagine that was just dehydration.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 February, 2012, 02:39:22 pm
I'm 69.6kg today. I tried to eat all the 3500 calories mfp said I burned but I fell 1000 short and I only managed to break even yesterday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 27 February, 2012, 02:52:19 pm
I'm not sure its necessary to force feed yourself calories just because MFP says you burn them lol.

My appetite has started to come back, but the figures I've been using seem to be losing me a bit of weight consistently so this is good news :) Happy with this :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 27 February, 2012, 03:32:48 pm
<...>
How do you obtain the calorie figures you're using? The 150w-180w range is about what I've measured for my Audax riding, and I think you're faster than me. I averaged 160w or so on Saturday, but that was spending 1/2 the ride in a bunch, and power was very variable.

i wouldn't say my figures are very accurate, more like rough estimate. over last couple of years i had a go on different spinning bikes, turbo trainers, rowing machines, treadmills where i enter my weight and the display shows watts generated and calories burnt. i am going to triathlon show (http://www.tcrshow.com/) this weekend where i'll see how i manage on powerbar 5k indoor time-trial. i am currently partaking in performance study (by british olympic medical institute), which should give me very accurate data about heart rate, watts, calories, vo2 max, lactate etc.:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kAXtgreVkGc/T0ufdbpMrvI/AAAAAAAAB3k/b-jGcigYcY8/s200/IMG_0646sm.jpg)

a bit off topic this post..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 27 February, 2012, 04:17:04 pm
I'm a little confused with that. A 'calorie' in dieting terms is actually a kCal. So the powertap is saying you burnt 625 kCal above normal activity in that time? ???

No, more like 2500 plus some. Detailed answer follows:

The powertap is saying that I output 2530kJ of work in that time. This is 625kCal, roughly (it's actually a little less). However that is output energy not input energy (which is what food calories - kCal indeed - are).

Before I used livestring and then myfitnesspal I tended to assume that 1kJ => 1kCal, i.e. canceling out the 4:1 division. This approximation assumes that the 4.2:1 ratio between a kCal and a kJ is roughly cancelled out by the inherent efficiency of about 25% in human energy matabolism. Hence the figure I would have used would be 2530kCal.

From wikipedia:

Quote
The efficiency of human muscle has been measured (in the context of rowing and cycling) at 18% to 26%. The efficiency is defined as the ratio of mechanical work output to the total metabolic cost, as can be calculated from oxygen consumption. This low efficiency is the result of about 40% efficiency of generating ATP from food energy, losses in converting energy from ATP into mechanical work inside the muscle, and mechanical losses inside the body. The latter two losses are dependent on the type of exercise and the type of muscle fibers being used (fast-twitch or slow-twitch). For an overal efficiency of 20 percent, one watt of mechanical power is equivalent to 4.3 kcal per hour. For example, a manufacturer of rowing equipment shows burned calories as four times the actual mechanical work, plus 300 kcal per hour,[17] which amounts to about 20 percent efficiency at 250 watts of mechanical output. The mechanical energy output of a cyclic contraction can depend upon many factors, including activation timing, muscle strain trajectory, and rates of force rise & decay. These can be synthesized experimentally using work loop analysis.

Note the 300kcal/hour constant used by Concept II on the rowing machine. I think you have to assume an increased energy burn from cycling over and above that purely attributable to mechanical power (e.g. it takes more effort to ride an electric bike than to lie in bed). I'm not sure how much we can attribute to that but it can't be zero so there must be some additional energy consumption above that ~2500kCal that I can't directly measure.


Thanks :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 28 February, 2012, 08:40:29 am
80.9 again this morning.

Slowly edging towards my target. Also private physio visit this weekend. Hopefully they'll sort my knee out, for now I've been resting Ice and compression.

Also borrowed an ultra scan machine (someone I work with brought one a while ago for Tennis Elbow) which I used last night for 5 minutes.


Knee feels slightly better today, pain is still there but hopefully a few more sessions like this and the physio on Saturday will have me right as rain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 February, 2012, 10:18:43 am
I find I forget from one week to the next how much I was last week. Checking this morning, I was 1.6kg down from last Wednesday's figure, which is much too fast given that I've been losing weight steadily since 1st Jan. No wonder I felt extra-hungry after breakfast! On the strength of that I allowed myself a couple of marmalade butties after my shredded wheat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 28 February, 2012, 11:48:30 am
The eBay seller I bought my dynamo hub USB cable from has sabotaged my diet by including a box of German chocolates with my order!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 February, 2012, 11:54:36 am
The eBay seller I bought my dynamo hub USB cable from has sabotaged my diet by including a box of German chocolates with my order!

Pass them round the forum!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 11:59:54 am
The eBay seller I bought my dynamo hub USB cable from has sabotaged my diet by including a box of German chocolates with my order!

Give them negative feedback!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 29 February, 2012, 06:29:49 am
First week of no weight loss for me  :( given that in the last seven days i've ridden just shy of 300k and been under my calorie goal on 5 out of 7 days i fear my body may be going into conservation mode- although i had a sneaky weigh in on Monday after i ridden over 200k at the weekend, and i found i'd put on a kilo  :-\ must have been a glitch though as i'm back to the previous week's weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 29 February, 2012, 07:36:05 am
The eBay seller I bought my dynamo hub USB cable from has sabotaged my diet by including a box of German chocolates with my order!

Give them negative feedback!


Sounds like he was thankful to be rid of it.  Not a good sign!!!

I'm down again this week which does surprise me since I pigged out at the weekend.  Had to be extra good last two days and really struggled.  I bought my scales 25 years ago, they only weigh to the nearest 0.5kg.  It was the most modern thing I could get in those days!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 29 February, 2012, 08:17:09 am
1.5kg off this week meaning I have lost the weight I put on last week and a little bit more.

The method behind my success? Well go to a funeral (other social events will do), speak to someone who unknown to you isn't well, get their flu and be ill for four days.  :facepalm: Its not something I would recommend but I haven't felt like eating much this week. 

Lets hope I can keep it off this week. Indeed, if I lose another kilo, then I will have lost a stone in old money since the start of this  ;D
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 29 February, 2012, 08:19:28 am
Just half a kilo off this week but that's probably a sensible amount now. Slow and steady wins the race!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 29 February, 2012, 08:20:56 am
Half a kilo for me too, pretty much standard now :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 29 February, 2012, 08:52:31 am
I thought I'd done really well this week. Then I thought again. Six pounds loss on what I've been eating this week just isn't possible. Oh well. Next week should be a bit easier.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 29 February, 2012, 09:28:26 am
Weighed in this morning at 80.5kg which is great, I know for a fact it wasn't down to dehydration since I haven't been able to exercise (damn knee trouble still) but I'm off to see the physio on Saturday so hopefully we can evaluate the trouble I'm having and have me back on the mend.

Decided to see private because I'm on the NHS referral list but that could take up to 8 weeks.


Also looked at my target weight again - believe that 75kg may be too low so I'm aiming for 76-76.5kg which for my height is around the weight I should be able to keep stable (I'm 6ft 2')
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 29 February, 2012, 09:34:45 am
Lost 2kg, what with the remnants of the flu and what was probably a chest infection. 14 days continuous nightsweats hasn't been fun. Thankfully, didn't sweat last night, so I think I'm on the mend. First commute in on the bike for ages.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 29 February, 2012, 09:41:13 am
Only shed another half a kg but a look at overall progress shows enough incentive to persevere.I may dispense with my daily Magnum ice cream.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 February, 2012, 09:41:20 am
Seem to have dropped a kilo over the past fortnight.
Used a tape measure for the first time in aeons last night.
40-32-44
The XL yacf T-shirt that's on its way may not be big enough but I really aren't a giant!

More work needed!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 29 February, 2012, 10:13:21 am
I'm still old school and in stones and pounds but I'm down 3.6lbs this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 February, 2012, 10:14:55 am
I had hoped that I'd manage the other 200g to get to six kilos lost, but I've stayed steady. 

I think that's probably reasonable, since I haven't ridden quite so much this week, and I've eaten at cafes a lot. :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 February, 2012, 11:00:04 am
70.5kg. I feel fat today!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 29 February, 2012, 11:13:38 am
After a rather over-indulgent weekend enjoying my parents' hospitality, I was up by about 2kg on Monday morning. But I've been very good so far this week and I've already ridden most of that off, so only slightly up on last week's Wednesday weigh-in.

I'm invited to a party tonight though - one of those PR parties with oodles of free drink and snacky food... I'll let myself off the leash a little bit but I'm determined not to stay too late and overdo it, especially as it's a school night. Famous last words...

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 February, 2012, 11:31:00 am
Down about half a kg on the week. That's about 2.5 kg for during the past 4 weeks, 3.1kg since the last weigh-in of January.

Target for March (only 4 Wednesdays in March): I'd like to be under 108kg.

There's a holiday in April and another in June. My target for those two weeks is not to do too much damage. 100kg for the Dun Run (30th June) is still a possibility but will involve exploring territory unknown in over a quarter of a century.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 29 February, 2012, 03:37:04 pm
There's a holiday in April and another in June. My target for those two weeks is not to do too much damage.
I think you're doing the wrong kind of holiday. My days off this year, as booked, will probably result in massive calorie deficits.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 29 February, 2012, 04:18:27 pm
<...>
100kg for the Dun Run (30th June) is still a possibility but will involve exploring territory unknown in over a quarter of a century.

there could be an incentive if you reach that (e.g. light racing bike and lycra kit?.. ::-))
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 29 February, 2012, 04:24:48 pm
I've taken to weighing myself twice a day, as I was finding not weighing myself, or weighing myself monthly/weekly, made it far to easy to binge and go off diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 29 February, 2012, 05:07:48 pm
Hmm, I seem to have a minor problem. I reached my target weight 3 weeks ago and have been easing up on the diet. I've upped my intake 500 calories per day in an attempt to go into maintenance mode and stabilise my weight but not go daft and start zooming back up again. However, despite cramming in the Christmas cake (deliberately kept as a I've hit my target treat", I seem to have lost another 1.1kg.

I'm beginning to suspect that the other half may have found a way of doctoring the scales again so that they read what she wants them to read, rather than what they should. However, an inspection of them this morning didn't reveal any bluetack or other devious methods of adjusting them...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 February, 2012, 05:09:57 pm
There's a holiday in April and another in June. My target for those two weeks is not to do too much damage.
I think you're doing the wrong kind of holiday. My days off this year, as booked, will probably result in massive calorie deficits.

We're B & Bing it with relatively low mileage for both jaunts - 30 to 40 a day mostly. Full Scottish breakfasts might mean very little by way of lunch. One has to dine properly in the evening, after all!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 February, 2012, 05:10:56 pm
<...>
100kg for the Dun Run (30th June) is still a possibility but will involve exploring territory unknown in over a quarter of a century.

there could be an incentive if you reach that (e.g. light racing bike and lycra kit?.. ::-))

Well, I think I might be turning the Mercian into a single speed sans mudguards. I've had that as a plan for a while but the tuit has always been the wrong shape.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 29 February, 2012, 06:54:43 pm
I thought I'd done really well this week. Then I thought again. Six pounds loss on what I've been eating this week just isn't possible. Oh well. Next week should be a bit easier.
And now that I've been able to access the records properly I see that I've been effectively flat-lining for three weeks. 
One difference is that I am upping my mileage slightly (six miles with a hill into work, rather than three fairly flat--not going to make a huge difference, I know).
I will also be riding five days a week instead of four.  It should all help!

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: onb on 29 February, 2012, 08:58:26 pm
Having had a pleasant and steady drop ,Ive put nealy a kilo back on this week, this I suspect is down to no riding or excercise due to a chest infection which has led to a little more comfort eating than needed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 March, 2012, 02:07:03 pm
I had a new glitch on the scales this morning:109.8. That's important because it marks 10kg lost since 1/1/12. I don't believe it: my true weight is about 111kg at the moment. However, it indicates that I'm still heading in the right directions.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 March, 2012, 10:00:20 am
The scales told me I was mostly 110.5kg this morning. According to my spreadsheet, that's 900 grammes down on last week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 04 March, 2012, 08:21:16 pm
Had Sunday Lunch with my parents (in-laws in tow).

Full roast chicken with trimmings
Bread & butter pudding
Trifle with cream

Then afternoon tea and lemon drizzle cake.

Only had time for 15 miles on the bike and too rainy for more than 20 minutes walking the dog so I will have a BIG calorie overrun today. But I have had very few days like this so I think the odd day or two off the diet shouldn't do much harm. Here's hoping!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 March, 2012, 09:50:19 pm
Had Sunday Lunch with my parents (in-laws in tow).

Full roast chicken with trimmings
Bread & butter pudding
Trifle with cream

Then afternoon tea and lemon drizzle cake.

Only had time for 15 miles on the bike and too rainy for more than 20 minutes walking the dog so I will have a BIG calorie overrun today. But I have had very few days like this so I think the odd day or two off the diet shouldn't do much harm. Here's hoping!

It won't do much long-term fat loss harm but you could have a short-term big weight (mostly not fat) gain.
Don't weigh yourself till Wednesday but don't fret about your weight for another week...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 March, 2012, 10:35:17 pm
Oh bum.  Went (just) over my calories today. :(

Tomorrow will be better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 March, 2012, 10:55:48 pm
3000 under yesterday means a few hundred over today and Friday's loading means I'm 725 under for the week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 05 March, 2012, 10:05:45 am
I normally cycle to work but need the car today as have to rush home for a docs app.

To earn the calories I did 2 hours of spinning this morning. Mind numbingly boring but at least 2 hours gives me 700 calories to eat :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 05 March, 2012, 02:32:12 pm
80.4 yesterday morning.

Had the physio on Saturday afternoon, fitted new insoles and wedges under my cleats, quick ride yesterday (only about 17 miles) to see how it felt and I felt such an improvement, barely any pain at all. I've got a little pain today at my desk (don't think sitting at a desk all day helps at all for knee pain).

Ride planned this weekend 50 or so miles so that will be the true test. Really looking forward to it and hopefully the end of the knee pain for good!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 March, 2012, 05:47:59 pm
70.0kg this morning. Hungry and tired today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 07 March, 2012, 06:31:50 am
Goal 1 (115 Kg) reached today, 2 months before I planned  :thumbsup:
3,1 kg  :o down since last week, just been training very well and eating correct.(2000-2300 Kcal/day)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 07 March, 2012, 06:57:37 am
Congratulations!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Clare on 07 March, 2012, 06:59:15 am
Well done Gus that's brilliant.

 :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 March, 2012, 08:22:00 am
Steady on Gus! At this rate you'll be lighter than me by the end of March!

110.5kg this morning. The scales vacillated between 109.7 and 111.0 and at one stage I thought I was going to have to put in an entry of 109.8, as I got this result 3 times in a row. In the end they settled for 110.5, and seemed to want to stay there. I'll settle for that as it's 1kg down on last week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 07 March, 2012, 08:36:32 am
Well I've found a way of losing a kilo while not sticikng to any diet at all - just get the flu  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 07 March, 2012, 09:00:05 am
Well I've found a way of losing a kilo while not sticikng to any diet at all - just get the flu  ::-)
That system worked for DrMekon too :-\. Hope you are feeling better soon.

I'm still progressing, which was a bit of a surprise!  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: De Sisti on 07 March, 2012, 09:28:01 am
Has  dieting (http://style.uk.msn.com/health/ken-diet-has-dieting-gone-too-far?ocid=ukhotmail) gone too far? Amusing article here.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2012, 11:21:39 am
Forgot to weigh myself this morning (too much of a rush). Graph update not til this evening.  I'll use yesterday's weight (70.0kg) for myself.

I've set up MFP for no weight loss and I seem to be achieving that goal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 07 March, 2012, 01:07:05 pm
I've set up MFP for no weight loss and I seem to be achieving that goal.

I didn't and I'm not!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 07 March, 2012, 02:39:50 pm
hit my target weight three months early, trousers fit perfectly again
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2012, 02:45:21 pm
I should check my waist measurement - my feeling is that body composition has changed even if weight hasn't.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 07 March, 2012, 02:56:35 pm
I measured bits at the end of February. I've lost a fair number of cms in a short number of weeks.
However, that's not the point. For once, I don't care about looking better/slimmer (it could be a bad thing, as I really have no spare cash for clothes), or even having more muscle- I've never had a problem in the power part of the equation.
There needs to be fewer kg of me!
Up this week but I suspect it's hormonal and will disappear very soon. Or isn't, and won't. All I can do is keep on keeping on, and work harder at passing Greggs on the way home.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 07 March, 2012, 04:00:50 pm
+1kg this week.
Without serious & sustained diet control I expect to continue the recent yo-yo cycle.This has occurred previously so it's not unexpected.
I'll try to get out on the bike more to see if regular exercise has the desired effect.S&S diet control is something I'm not good at 'cause I do like my food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 07 March, 2012, 05:04:39 pm
.5 Kilo up for me this week, and it could be worse next week, as i'm under Doctor's orders of no cycling for a week, plus i'm on a massive dose of antibiotics for a rather delicate male thing  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 March, 2012, 05:17:42 pm
+1kg this week.
Without serious & sustained diet control I expect to continue the recent yo-yo cycle.This has occurred previously so it's not unexpected.
I'll try to get out on the bike more to see if regular exercise has the desired effect.S&S diet control is something I'm not good at 'cause I do like my food.

Have you tried S & S couplings? And what does Marj think?  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 07 March, 2012, 05:21:16 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 07 March, 2012, 05:22:22 pm
Marj says S&S better not be Sue & Sharon ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 07 March, 2012, 05:38:01 pm
No scales at home so going to miss my weigh in today, but I've lost another cm off my waist.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 07 March, 2012, 05:40:10 pm
Jogler, I reckon your best bet is to do something like MFP, weightwatchers or slimming world, so you could have the food you enjoy but watch it and stop it going mad - 1 cake = less potato at dinner sort of thing :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 March, 2012, 08:19:24 pm
I have not weighed myself; it's inconvenient and difficult.
I seem to be pissing like a trooper, which usually means I'm losing weight.
The months of eschewing croissants at breakfast, Jaffa cakes a couple of hours before lunch, apple pie or syrup sponge & custard and occasional chocolate ought to pay off eventually.
I hope.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2012, 11:49:59 pm
I weighed and measured myself just now.

I weigh 69.8kg and I have a 78cm waist. In late 2009 I had an 87cm waist!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2012, 11:52:22 pm
I measured bits at the end of February. I've lost a fair number of cms in a short number of weeks.
However, that's not the point. For once, I don't care about looking better/slimmer (it could be a bad thing, as I really have no spare cash for clothes), or even having more muscle- I've never had a problem in the power part of the equation.
There needs to be fewer kg of me!
Up this week but I suspect it's hormonal and will disappear very soon. Or isn't, and won't. All I can do is keep on keeping on, and work harder at passing Greggs on the way home.

Smaller bits means lower wind resistance, so faster on the flat and on descents. Less so on the tandem. Less fat means less mass that can’t produce power but still consumes energy (but it consumes less energy than muscle). Your BMR might rise if you have more muscle and less fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 08 March, 2012, 10:45:08 am
I weigh 69.8kg and I have a 78cm waist. In late 2009 I had an 87cm waist!

You are me AICMFP. I've not actually measured myself but this time last year, I was struggling to fit into trousers with a 34in (87cm) waist. I now need a belt for trousers with a 32in (81cm) waist.

My weight seems to be fluctuating between 70 and 71kg at the moment. I'm aiming for 68kg but I've plateaued a bit and can't quite break through the 70kg barrier. I'm not concerned though - I'm well within the range of healthy weight for my size, the rest is just fine tuning.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2012, 05:35:36 pm
I've just had a lovely solar-heated shower after my 63-mile ride. The scales are in that bathroom. I tried several times but couldn't get them above 110kg. However, I'm about to have a roast dinner involving duck.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 08 March, 2012, 07:05:19 pm
I had a small victory today!  I have two pairs of trousers which stay at work for when I commute on the bike.  Although both pairs are M&S 34" waist, one is definitely more and the other less generous.  I have tended to wear the more generous pair most of the time.  The other week, I lent the smaller pair to a colleague who'd run in to work (mad fool) and forgotten to pack any trousers.  He returned them washed and ironed, so I decided to try them today.  Although they are definitely still 'snug' they are no longer actually uncomfortable!   :thumbsup:  A little morale booster.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 09 March, 2012, 02:37:22 pm
Rubbish week this week, ate too much. Most days under the 200cal mark but my daily is meant to be 1600, hmmpfff! Cycling most of the day tomorrow, looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 09 March, 2012, 03:32:57 pm
I weighed and measured myself just now.

I weigh 69.8kg and I have a 78cm waist. In late 2009 I had an 87cm waist!

Another 78cm waister here too, but was 91cm in 2009!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Simonb on 10 March, 2012, 09:06:49 am
Crap couple of weeks for me. Stupidly busy at work. I seem to put on weight more when I'm fatigued; not sure why. Barely been out on the bike as a result.

Will get back on target this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 10 March, 2012, 09:26:44 am
Weighed myself today, down 9.2kg since the start of Jan.  myfitnesspal has reduced my daily calories from 1660 to 1600 though. That's almost a chocolate digestive!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 10 March, 2012, 09:32:27 am
Yesterday I had my first Jammy Dodger for longer than I can remember.In truth I also had my second & third J.D. ::-)
that'll be +3kg come Wednesday.The spirit is willing but the (increasing amount of) flesh is weak.
Title: Weight discussion
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 March, 2012, 07:46:45 pm
Didn't weigh myself today but 48 miles is more than enough to see off my food intake so far. In fact Jan and I are considering a take-away curry when we get home, which will more than compensate for the miles ridden.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 10 March, 2012, 10:08:49 pm
According to Garmin I just burned off over 6000 calories, now what can I eat?  :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 10 March, 2012, 10:09:22 pm
There's only one answer to that question, surely? Chocolate!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 March, 2012, 10:14:33 pm
In the end Jan didn't fancy a take-away so I had a large cheesy omelette. I have to say in all modesty that I've never tasted an omelette better than those I cook myself, and this was an especially good one. I feel pretty full now, to the extent that I wouldn't expect much weight loss in the next day or two, but I don't think my food consumption today has been all that great.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 March, 2012, 10:19:53 pm
Today my waist is 77cm and 32" jeans really need a belt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 10 March, 2012, 10:25:57 pm
There's only one answer to that question, surely? Chocolate!

One snag, the only chocolate in the house is Simon's  :-X
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 March, 2012, 11:04:43 pm
There's only one answer to that question, surely? Chocolate!

One snag, the only chocolate in the house is Simon's  :-X

I won't miss them. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 March, 2012, 11:22:26 am
Another 900 grammes off from last Sunday. Mostly 109.6kg this morning, although there were glitches below 109.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 11 March, 2012, 09:23:58 pm
According to mfp (and what I've put in it) I've been under 1200 calories net for the last 7 days.
I haven't lost any weight.
This is quite demoralising. Either I'm overcounting exercise calories, or undercounting food. Either way, it's a bit rubbish. I haven't felt as deprived the last couple of weeks, and clearly, that means I'm not actually depriving myself, and my body is happily surviving on intake, and not converting lard to energy. Damn.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 11 March, 2012, 09:32:34 pm
fboab, if you've been riding a lot this weekend you might not see the benefit of this on the scales for another couple of days. Thrashed muscles seem to retain fluid while they heal initially, then it suddenly disappears (well that's what I've been told anyway).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 11 March, 2012, 09:57:46 pm
I'd concur that post-exercise weight loss seems to be delayed by about four days for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 March, 2012, 10:40:46 pm
After LEL '09, MC '10, and PBP ’11 I had the same weight immediately after the event as before, and then lost about 2kg over the next few days. Fluid retention innit.

There’s a pic of Feline’s feet just after PBP which demonstrates the effect very well.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 12 March, 2012, 09:33:58 am
fboab- are you eating all your exercise calories? I eat all mine as I like my food, but in order to do so have to use the 'light cycling 10-12mph' option for all cycling (even including time trials/hard spin classes etc) in order to lose weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 12 March, 2012, 10:46:36 am
Was 15st this morning  :thumbsup:
Thinking about it, it's about 15yrs not 20.
Even so I'm still pleased about it  ;D  ;D

Just updating this,
Still around the 15st mark, was 14st12 last week but seem to have stabilised at that weight.
Changing shape now instead of loosing weight and this pic taken at the weekend shows the difference 6 months makes.
One was taken late August in N. Ireland and the other yesterday in Yorkshire  ;D

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/silverbackcyclist/6monthdifference.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 March, 2012, 10:47:18 am
I'm about 100calories under, net, most days. Obviously if I'm riding for more than 5 hours even I struggle to chomp my way through that, so audax days are mostly well under. All my riding is logged as 500cal/hr (mfp gives me 511 for 10-12mph).
I haven't just ridden PBP (which, incidentally, I lost no weight on) this isn't fluid retention, and I'm not bothered about 1 day after a 200k not weighing less than I did before. I'm bothered about 2 weeks of no weight loss despite 2 hours of exercise a day and not having anywhere near as much butter in my life as I'd like.

I'm just whinging.

Losing more than 20kg like I need to, is going to take a long time and it's dull, it's hard work, and I'm bored of worrying about whether I can 'afford' pizza for lunch or not. I'm sick of thinking about food, it's not healthy to obsess about it this much. That's my punishment for being a lardy bastard for so long and I should learn to HTFU and get on with it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 March, 2012, 10:59:09 am
My wife has expressed a concern that I'm starting to look like a cyclist - you know, the ones on the telly, with the finely toned legs, firm buttocks and scrawny, twig-like arms. This morning, I wore short sleeves and arm warmers for the first time this year, but I no longer have enough spare fat on my upper arms to hold the arm warmers up.  :-[

I need to start swimming regularly again. Or buy a smaller size of arm warmers.

Oh well, it's a nice problem to have.  ;D

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 12 March, 2012, 11:12:00 am
Ah well fboab, at least you whinge with style. And I know it's no consolation when what you're aiming for is less kg to haul up hills, but I thought that in that faceache pic of you guys on the tandem you looked simply marvellous.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 12 March, 2012, 11:36:34 am
Fboab I totally empathise. I wish the maths worked, I'm sorry its not for you either.

Ok, admittedly, I don't have that much to lose, its about 4kg I'm after. (I think, I don't work in kilos but was 9 stone 1 this morning and am aiming for 8 and half)

I exercise 4 hours a day average on a weekday, and then an Audax at the weekend, plus an hour or 2 on the other weekend day. I'm always 300-400ish green on MFP- much more so on Audax days (and I underlog my exercise cals, I put in 350hr for cycling, but things like body pump and circuits, I only give myself 200 cals for, and they must burn more than that). So therefore I should really be more green on MFP.

I think I usually end up with a deficit of 6000-7000 for the week even with the conservative figures I'm using. (And i'm not underlogging food, i'm religious about it) but if I lose 0.5lb thats a total miracle. Its weird and I wish I knew what else I could do!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jezzasnr on 12 March, 2012, 11:42:21 am
Losing more than 20kg like I need to, is going to take a long time and it's dull, it's hard work, and I'm bored of worrying about whether I can 'afford' pizza for lunch or not. I'm sick of thinking about food, it's not healthy to obsess about it this much. That's my punishment for being a lardy bastard for so long and I should learn to HTFU and get on with it.

Dull, Hard Work. Nail on the head.

The grim truth, but so worth it when it starts dropping off, and it will.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 March, 2012, 11:55:21 am
I'm bothered about 2 weeks of no weight loss despite 2 hours of exercise a day and not having anywhere near as much butter in my life as I'd like.

I'm just whinging.

Can't blame you. That doesn't sound at all fair.

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I'm sick of thinking about food, it's not healthy to obsess about it this much. That's my punishment for being a lardy bastard for so long and I should learn to HTFU and get on with it.

Well, your attitude is healthy at least.

I found that I only started making progress when something clicked and I started really wanting it. By which I mean wanting it more than I wanted butter. Or beer. Or crisps. Maybe an element of HTFU involved. But the hardest part is perhaps overcoming that huge psychological hurdle to get to the state of really wanting it that much, which will be especially hard if you have other problems affecting your mental state - that commute can't be helping at all. Fwiw, you have my sympathy and moral support.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 12 March, 2012, 12:02:26 pm
My wife has expressed a concern that I'm starting to look like a cyclist - you know, the ones on the telly, with the finely toned legs, firm buttocks and scrawny, twig-like arms.

my wife is also not too impressed with my cyclist looks that i acquired in recent years. she much prefered (so she says) my "manly physique", as it was ten years ago:  ;D

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kc5zFw99hJo/T13jNw0iNdI/AAAAAAAAB40/NNrzJoxaeAA/s400/008_cr.jpg)

well, different sports, different jobs - naturally body changes to adapt..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 March, 2012, 12:10:39 pm
My brother actually noticed today and asked if I'd lost weight.

Apart from Jane mentioning my trim bottom when we were riding together at half-term, that's the first comment I've had. If and when I manage to lose another 10kg, I think it will show an awful lot more. I'm still a fat bastard with lots of excessive wobbly bits. Most of it seems to have come off my belly. My cup size doesn't seem to have ben affected. 17st 4lb or thereabouts in real money today.

I sympathise, boab. I've been really fortunate in that I've scarcely changed my meals. All I've done is cut out the evening browsing of Nice Things (principally, cheese, beer and ice cream) and eaten fruit instead. I suspect that a time will come when I stop losing weight by this method, but I don't seem to be at that point yet. I have to confess that when I was in Waitrose the other day and I saw Old Thumper at 2 bottles for £3 I had a big wibbling moment, but my resolve held.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 March, 2012, 12:14:42 pm
well, different sports, different jobs - naturally body changes to adapt..

True dat. I do sometimes envy people with physically demanding jobs. I have seriously considered jacking it all in to become a carpenter - not for that reason, though it would be an added bonus. I hate being on my arse at a desk all day.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 12 March, 2012, 01:00:45 pm
If and when I manage to lose another 10kg, I think it will show an awful lot more. I'm still a fat bastard with lots of excessive wobbly bits. Most of it seems to have come off my belly. My cup size doesn't seem to have ben affected. 17st 4lb or thereabouts in real money today.

Hey - don't lose it too fast!  On the principle that it is theoretically A Good Idea for the stoker to not outweigh the pilot if possible and given that I'd quite like another go on that sturdy thorn again one day I'm trying to keep at least a little bit ahead of you in the weight stakes, so that I can follow a little behind you on the tandem again sometime soon :)

My second informal target is to one day weigh less than RichForrest.  What with him being a muscly bloke wot is about 3 feet taller than me this isn't particularly aspirational.  I almost managed it once - about the time of the Dun Run year before last when he was a fairly skinny billy doing frankly ridiculous amounts of audaxing and I was riding lots and calorie counting in an attempt to get fit-ish enough to not make wowbagger throw me off the tandem in disgust at the first sign of a hill on the way to the seaside.  But then I ate a lot of caik and Rich ran a load of miles and blimey, I've got some catching up to do now!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 12 March, 2012, 02:45:41 pm
After a typical long weekend of three consecutive days of 200+ kms, which this time included two fairly hilly calendar events, I as usual stuffed myself with anything I could get my hands on, whenever I could - rice pudding and peaches, beans on toast, caik, a whole barrel of shortbread biscuits dunked in coffee, ham sandwiches, fefrero rocher, yoghourt, latte, toast and jam, oatssosimple porridges x 3 for breakfast in travelodges, and on the bike great big flapjacks with rasberry jam, and smaller oaty nutty raisiny bars, and lots of High Five 4:1 drink - carbs and protein (replace the protein as you ride at this sort of mileage, some say)

I got up at home this morning, did my ablutions, got on the scales and it said 59.4 kgs.. I'm 171 cms...  BMI 20.3

I have a cyclists upper body that hardly casts a shadow, apart from all the hair, and legs like tree trunks (err... thin spindly trees of course, but nicely whippy)

I suppose I am lucky and it seems impossible to actually put on any weight, but that does not mean that I don't feel empathy for those of you on the other end of the see-saw, so I thought I'd explain my strategy, in case it might help someone else...

I have been training 'through the bonk' for a while now, deliberately going past the zone where I run out of carbs/glycogen, to try to make my body burn fat more effectively, and I think that maybe my body has adapted, and that might be why I am as I am..

On calendar events I have been known to bounce all the controls, and ride right on through, with just bars and drink as I go..

I'm not sure if this is even safe, both on a physical level and on a 'riding safely and being aware of what's going on around me' level, but if it forces your body to burn more fat, which seems to be most peoples' desired outcome, then a variation on this may just be helpful if you can stand the 'pain'...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 March, 2012, 12:15:38 am
I'm 2000 calories over today give or take.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 14 March, 2012, 07:39:16 am
Flatlining again (or pretty close).
Not enough riding.  Too much cake over the weekend.
Major change to work patterns coming up which will almost certainly mean more temptation for bad food and less time for the bike  >:(

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: davelodwig on 14 March, 2012, 07:45:21 am
Back up a little bit this morning (105.2 to 105.5) I'm putting it down to lovely hotel breakfasts and all their butter pushing ways at the weekend.

The butter, with the toast, croissant, and cooked breakfast possibly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 March, 2012, 08:29:11 am
Still going well. Another 800gm down from last week. That's over 10kg lost since 1st Jan.

Edit: that's more than one-third of the way to my annual target - in less that a quarter of the year!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 14 March, 2012, 09:40:29 am
I lost over 1kg this week (total lost = 8kg), which was pleasing.  Perhaps I should do an FNRttC every week ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spenceey on 14 March, 2012, 10:28:45 am
Up slightly on last week, still I know I've been much better this week than other weeks. Was planning to cycle to work this morning (first time since moving) but knee is playing up again :( More stretching and ibuprofen for me then. Hoping to be able to cycle in on Friday now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 14 March, 2012, 11:39:04 am
Down a bit, but still above my lowest weight this year. 

I've decided to give MyFitnessPal a try.  I've never counted calories before, so this could be interesting...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 14 March, 2012, 12:13:01 pm
Very impressive losses from Wow and Clarion  :thumbsup:

I'm not doing so well this week, but it's my 'fat week' of the month so I'm not going to worry about it.
I've definitely redistributed some lard to muscle and I'm feeling much stronger on the bike with a fair few recent miles so the rest will come together in time. My neighbour just gave me THORNTONS because I've given her lots of stuff for her kids. I shall have to request Amazon vouchers instead in future  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 14 March, 2012, 12:45:04 pm
...I've decided to give MyFitnessPal a try.  I've never counted calories before, so this could be interesting...


I never had before either.  I'd tried recording all I ate, but that was relatively meaningless.

It seems to work for quite a few people.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 14 March, 2012, 02:20:37 pm
Well this morning I was down a bit more, now have lost 21lbs or 9.something kg (can't remember how much).

I'm feeling soooooooo much better for it.

Pass the cake!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 14 March, 2012, 06:57:28 pm
...I've decided to give MyFitnessPal a try.  I've never counted calories before, so this could be interesting...


I never had before either.  I'd tried recording all I ate, but that was relatively meaningless.

It seems to work for quite a few people.

I find that the falling total of cals available during the day helps curb the inclination to snack.  That has always been my downfall.

Feel free to add me as a friend on mfp.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wobbly John on 14 March, 2012, 10:32:58 pm
I lost over 1kg this week (total lost = 8kg), which was pleasing.  Perhaps I should do an FNRttC every week ;)

Well done Clarion! You now weigh less than I do.  :-\

Time for me to start cycling a bit more.  :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2012, 08:37:29 am
I just sent an email to my younger daughter which included the brief paragraph:

Quote
This week I celebrated losing 10kg since the start of the year. I had an apple.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 15 March, 2012, 01:45:15 pm

A day late updating my weight, but I'm down 2 kilos since last week, I feel I've lost to much to fast these last weeks.
I haven't been much on my bikes but my running shoes gets plenty of use at the moment.
I'm still around 27 kilo from my primary target.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 15 March, 2012, 01:49:40 pm
Blimey, Gus, you're losing it really fast!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 15 March, 2012, 02:00:20 pm
I've decided to give MyFitnessPal a try.  I've never counted calories before, so this could be interesting...

So what do I do for lunch today?  Gave in to temptation and dig in to the leftovers from one of today's meetings (canapes and other assorted finger foods).  How am I supposed to record that?  Oh well, lesson learned.  As things stand, don't think I ate more than I did for lunch yesterday, and if I carry on as yesterday I should have a few hundred left-over calories.  In the long run, guess this should keep me from munching on meeting leftovers.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 15 March, 2012, 02:02:00 pm
Most stuff will be on the database, though you might have to root around a bit.  Just list it and see where it ends up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 March, 2012, 02:02:22 pm
I've decided to give MyFitnessPal a try.  I've never counted calories before, so this could be interesting...

So what do I do for lunch today?  Gave in to temptation and dig in to the leftovers from one of today's meetings (canapes and other assorted finger foods).  How am I supposed to record that?  Oh well, lesson learned.  As things stand, don't think I ate more than I did for lunch yesterday, and if I carry on as yesterday I should have a few hundred left-over calories.  In the long run, guess this should keep me from munching on meeting leftovers.

For most things, I usually try to find something which is a rough match in the database. For instance, there's a carrot cake slice that the local cafe I go to sells. I put in that I had a pret a manger slice of carrot cake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 15 March, 2012, 02:06:52 pm
*heads off to search for "single prawn, cherry tomato, button mushroom and olive on a skewer"*  (skewer not consumed)   ;D

I'll think up of something roughly equivalent to the various bits I scoffed.  I realise it's not an exact science.  Maybe this will make me think a bit more about what I eat, not just how much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 15 March, 2012, 02:07:21 pm
Indeed. Our TheSloth flapjacks are 'm&s flapjack bites'.

(But infinitely more tasty).

I've been quite impressed how wide the range of stuff on their database there is. I cook most of our meals & cakes from scratch, and CBA to work out recipes, so I always pick the most calorific option from the database, just in case. I can afford to eat a bit less, after all.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 March, 2012, 02:18:05 pm
*heads off to search for "single prawn, cherry tomato, button mushroom and olive on a skewer"*  (skewer not consumed)   ;D

I think up of something roughly equivalent to the various bits I scoffed.  I realise it's not an exact science.  Maybe this will make me think a bit more about what I eat, not just how much.

There are very few calories in undressed cherry tomatoes. It's hardly worth counting.
Naked prawns are also quite low but attract fatty dressings, which can be rather calorie dense.
There's also little in a raw button mushroom but if it contains its own weight in garlic butter... (think 8g fat ~ 70kcal)
Olives are fatty and vary in size...

You can't go wrong with crudités...
... so long as you avoid the dips!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 15 March, 2012, 02:33:31 pm
I often grab a couple of cherry tomatoes and pop them in my mouth like sweets while I'm getting something else out of the fridge. I never bother to count the calories in them.

Likewise, when I'm making a cheese sandwich, I don't bother counting the lettuce or cucumber, of which I always have plenty.

Dressings are indeed another matter - they can be surprisingly high in calories, even the supposedly "light" versions.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 March, 2012, 03:32:50 pm
Many 'low-fat' dressings are high-sugar. You have been warned!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 March, 2012, 03:38:50 pm
They also seem to be full of strange stuff that isn't in the normal 'unhealthy' full fat one.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 March, 2012, 03:50:23 pm
Various thickeners seem fair enough.
David objects to the titanium dioxide in Thousand Island dressing...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 15 March, 2012, 03:52:02 pm
David objects to the titanium dioxide in Thousand Island dressing...

Why? It'll make his teeth look whiter. Well... everything really, not just teeth.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 15 March, 2012, 03:53:17 pm
It's all about the mouth-feel.  A phrase which, in itself, makes me want to hurl.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 March, 2012, 04:02:42 pm
David objects to the titanium dioxide in Thousand Island dressing...

Why? It'll make his teeth look whiter. Well... everything really, not just teeth.

Titanium is hardly a natural part of the diet, is it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 16 March, 2012, 11:45:18 am
Just got an HRM. Very surprised to find the calorie estimates it gives are really close to MFP.

eg MFP said 2780 for 240min of 14-16mph. Hrm said 2673 (101km at 25.2kph). This morning, MFP says 1054 for 91mins of 14-16kph. HRM says 891 for 37.6km at 24.8kph. Given I live in an unnaturally flat part of the country, I'd say that's pretty good. FWIW, I'm riding fixed with 4kg of luggage on a fairly upright tricross with 37mm tyres. Obviously if you are on a Venge in Norfolk or a bakfiets in the Peaks, the MFP estimate is going to be much worse.

Still waiting to get my actiheart monitor data back from the epidemiologists I work with. When I get that, then I'll have a better idea of how far out MFP is for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 March, 2012, 11:52:59 am
I thought your part of the world was naturally flat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 17 March, 2012, 08:17:59 pm
I went to my mum's to deliver an early bunch of M's day tulips, which meant that I did my usual if infrequent weighing myself since she, unlike me, owns a set of scales.

Looks like I've dropped another half a stone in the last month-ish, and am back below my Dun Run weight for the first time since, well, the Dun Run.  In 2010.  Still another stone and a half over my 'fat but fit' weight from pre-PGCE, when I could actually (just) buy ordinary girl trousers in ordinary girl shops rather than in 'just-for-biffas' shops/ranges, and a generous 4 and a half stone into the obese category, of course.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 March, 2012, 09:26:27 pm
Just back from our longest tandem ride yet. Just weighed in when we got in - 68.7kg.

Might be a tad dehydrated.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 17 March, 2012, 11:16:25 pm
I've decided to skip recording in MFP this weekend - just too much hassle.  TBH, don't need confirmation I burned a lot o calories on today's ride.

I've been exercising great restraint at my mate's place this evening. If I didn't I doubt there'd be anything left for his other guests to eat.  OTOH, I am 'rehydrating' with a lovely red wine - there are quite a few bottles here. Well, there were...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 March, 2012, 12:17:24 pm
Down 0.4kg on last Sunday's figure. I'm quite pleased with that as on Friday we went to see our daughter where a reasonably large lunch, a dinner of fish & chips and a pint of beer, and absolutely no cycling were involved. Yesterday I did just over 40 miles at a reasonable speed for me, so presumably that helped, although there was a very nice Eccles-type cake on the ride and I had a beer to celebrate Wales' achievement on the rugby pitch yesterday evening.

Back to austerity today!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 20 March, 2012, 10:22:42 am
My fingernails seem to be getting rather splitty and weak - is that a side-effect of dieting? I'm still getting loadsa calcium, but perhaps it's not that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 20 March, 2012, 10:24:26 am
My fingernails seem to be getting rather splitty and weak - is that a side-effect of dieting? I'm still getting loadsa calcium, but perhaps it's not that.

The air has been very dry for quite some time now. Could it be that?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 20 March, 2012, 02:41:23 pm
My fingernails seem to be getting rather splitty and weak - is that a side-effect of dieting? I'm still getting loadsa calcium, but perhaps it's not that.

Nail strength isn't just about calcium, you need keratin too. Is your hair condition deteriorating too or just the nails? Worth looking at this for ideas: http://www.livestrong.com/article/270792-keratin-rich-foods/
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 20 March, 2012, 03:36:41 pm
Well my hair is always fab of course, but at the moment I am washing it in Head & Shoulders (no, I don't have dandruff - hairdresser recommended it to strip out the last of the semi-permanent red/brown colouring) which is clearly crap shampoo for general hair look so I use 'normal' shampoos once a week and it's lovely and shiny and soft again.

Thanks for the Livestrong link, Feline, but it looks as thought I'm consuming a lot of the relevant foods for Keratin. So perhaps it is dry air or perhaps - horror of horrors - it's because I'm turning in to an old bat, at least a slightly thinner version than before.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 March, 2012, 03:46:28 pm
I've had a recurring problem with one of my nails splitting but at the moment it seems OK. I'm certain that my calcium intake is high as I take chalk tablets to deal with osteoporosis. It's what my body is doing with it that seems to be the problem.

My hair, of course, is the envy of all the girls.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on 20 March, 2012, 04:05:41 pm
My hair, of course, is the envy of all the girls.

You have some strange girls down sarf, if they are jealous of you looking like Santa
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 20 March, 2012, 05:36:24 pm
slpit nails is cured by more nookey :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 21 March, 2012, 06:16:57 am
No weight loss for the third week running. Well at least I haven't put any on but overall, disappointed with myself.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 21 March, 2012, 06:34:36 am
No weight loss for me, either.  I don't understand it, really.  Last week I had a large loss, despite it having been a mediocre week.  This week, I've been under my calories by a decent margin, and I had a big ride at the weekend, but static, for the third time this year. ???
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wonky on 21 March, 2012, 07:11:14 am
Fluctuations clarion. Dont worry about the point value, look at the trend.
You were probably a little under hydrated last week, but the 2 week loss is still a good value.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 21 March, 2012, 07:21:07 am
that or not eating enough and your body is in 'starvation' mode, refusing to give up any 'stored energy'.  Eat more! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 21 March, 2012, 07:26:50 am
March is obviously plateau month for me, 3rd week and still no loss. It's bloody frustrating !
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 21 March, 2012, 08:30:43 am
Another "no change week". Something needs to change to generate a downward trend.I might try riding my bike more often  ::-) & skipping the midnight snacking :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 March, 2012, 08:51:54 am
I had a couple of bad days in the past week when I definitely ate more than I should have done, although I maintained my "Fruit only between dinner and bed" rule. I thought a couple of days ago that I was going to record an increase, but in the end I was quite surprised by the scales. The range this morning was between 108.7 and 110.1 but in the end they settled on 109.4 and four times in a row told me that's what I was.

I'm quite relieved that during what I thought was a bad week I still lost 300g.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 21 March, 2012, 08:56:21 am
That's good Wowbagger. :) On the other hand, I've not had a particularly bad week and gained 800g. Oh well, it's the first gain this year :-\.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 21 March, 2012, 08:59:53 am
that or not eating enough and your body is in 'starvation' mode, refusing to give up any 'stored energy'.  Eat more! :)

;D  If I end up a long way under the calories, I do try to eat a bit more to narrow the gap.  But I don't think eating more would be a productive move overall ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 21 March, 2012, 09:22:37 am
No real change, which considering how much comfort eating I did when I was ill is not that surprising. Need to work harder at it now :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 21 March, 2012, 09:56:42 am
Clarion, you've lost 2.2kg in three weeks. That's good progress.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 21 March, 2012, 10:02:01 am
I’m almost at maintenance now so not bothering with MFP so much but when I was losing weight I used to have a day or two each week where I’d go slightly over (it would look like a spike on on the MFP graphs); this had the advantage that it stopped me going mad and also seemed to stop my body getting too ‘used’ to a lower calorie diet (I was well under most of the time) and adjusting my metabolism accordingly, because I never really plateaued much (and as I had relatively little to lose, I was probably more likely to plateau than some). You do have to make sure you’re under the majority of the time, obv.

Having said that, I did have an almighty hormonal sugar binge at the weekend. We had just done 7 miles of walking Cam to Allypally, to look at the views, so I hope it didn’t do too much damage. I sometimes think I have as much of a problem with sugar as some people have with alcohol…
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 21 March, 2012, 10:39:41 am
Static again for the third week in a row.
There has been some silly eating and drinking in this time, so I'm not too upset, and I do feel rather 'trimmer' than I was.
However, I am probably going to be working away from base for most of the week for the next few months which will mean less cycling and more bad eating.  I may be asking for advice around that.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 21 March, 2012, 12:35:42 pm
I had the munchies most of this week and consequently have failed to crack the 60kg barrier yet again. Lesson learned ... don't buy a 12 pack of Cadburys Creme Eggs and expect to be able to make them last more than 3 days  :facepalm:
I was thousands of calories under for the week though, hence not gaining despite being so bad. I think that for me it is as important what makes up my calories and when as how many I eat overall. If I don't lose more between now and the easter arrow I might go on the chicken breast and salad/green veg only diet for a week which is pretty much guaranteed to give me a kg a week drop so long as I don't drink wine with it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Simonb on 21 March, 2012, 01:46:11 pm
No change here. Still over-worked but have come to the end of a silly-big project, and have three weekends of Audaxing coming up.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 21 March, 2012, 04:11:50 pm
I had the munchies most of this week and consequently have failed to crack the 60kg barrier yet again. Lesson learned ... don't buy a 12 pack of Cadburys Creme Eggs and expect to be able to make them last more than 3 days  :facepalm:
3 :o how do you make them last 3 days?

I’m almost at maintenance now so not bothering with MFP so much
We know! It told us to encourage you! ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 21 March, 2012, 09:31:09 pm
58.8 kgs after my 200 today, but I eat like a pig most of the time...

I get tremendous hunger urges in the day or two after long rides such as the 400 last Saturday (21 hours of riding straight through more or less) or weekends where I do 600 or more over three days, and no matter what I eat, my body seems to burn through it - HOWEVER after a couple of days the cravings stop, and I have to work quite hard not to carry on eating for England !!

Maybe I've got worms?   :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 March, 2012, 10:09:16 pm
New gluttony PB today. 5000 calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 March, 2012, 08:41:09 am
New gluttony PB today. 5000 calories.

Lightweight.

Oh...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 22 March, 2012, 09:15:08 am
I can take my too-small-at-christmas jeans off without undoing the button.  I may have to buy a belt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 22 March, 2012, 10:20:55 am
10kg in total today for me. Time for some celebratory cake (will do so with Wowbagger on Wednesday, I believe, after a bit of Tchaikovsky trio).

I think I have another 10 or so to go in order to get to a size which I think works OK for me. That would still be over my recommended BMI but I think it'll do. I imagine it'll take more than another 3 months to manage, although the warm weather which is conducive to cycling is helping me a lot at the moment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 March, 2012, 10:23:54 am
Well done! :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 22 March, 2012, 10:27:49 am
It's an interesting exercise in déja vu as ten years ago I lost 8 st 2 lbs over about ten months (and kept it off for almost five years!). That was in the olden days when I used WeightWatchers' 123-Success-2000 CD-Rom which involved turning on the computer in the Study, firing up the program, putting the CD in, searching for the items... the App on my iPhone in my pocket with the barcode scanner, and the thousands of people adding all the foods to MFP, makes everything SO much easier!

I can conclude that food diary tracking definitely works for me in reducing the ridiculous amount of snacks and treats I eat if I'm not paying attention. The effect does wear off eventually, though, when I hit maintenance weight, so I need to have a think about how to deal with this when the time comes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 March, 2012, 10:45:55 am
Food diary tracking has perhaps been working too well for me - I often find myself in M&S covetously browsing the cream cakes aisle, but then looking at the nutrition info on the packaging and recoiling in horror.... I've conditioned myself to resist. Which is obviously A Good Thing. Up to a point.

Thing is, I've been feeling a bit feeble for the last couple of days and put it down to general tiredness, but it occurred to me yesterday evening that it's actually more likely down to not eating enough.

So I had a big dinner last night (nowhere near simonp's 5,000 calories but I made sure I used up nearly all my mfp calorie quota - the details are there if anyone's bored enough). And this morning...

Felt like I had rockets in my legs. New PB on the commute.  :thumbsup:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 March, 2012, 10:53:25 am
The result of yesterday's food is a weight today of 71.5kg, and last weekend my lowest was 68.7. I fluctuate with the best. A lot of it will be down to the size of the meal I had (nachos and mixed grill at The Snug Bar in Cambridge) still being inside my gut. I was struggling to cycle home because I couldn't bend over the bars properly.  :facepalm:

300k this weekend so I reckon I can shift it. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 22 March, 2012, 10:55:18 am
Finally updated my weight, still on track downwards goal number 2. It's been another good week with a good loss.
Now I can't wait to get out and ride some lumpier bits in the area; so I can build some strength and stamina.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 22 March, 2012, 10:57:04 am

I’m almost at maintenance now so not bothering with MFP so much
We know! It told us to encourage you! ;D
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I'm quite glad that you didn't (as far as I know!)  :D

Food diary tracking has perhaps been working too well for me - I often find myself in M&S covetously browsing the cream cakes aisle, but then looking at the nutrition info on the packaging and recoiling in horror.... I've conditioned myself to resist. Which is obviously A Good Thing. Up to a point.


Yes, that is me, quite often, I practically throw stuff back onto the shelves in horror. It can be pretty joyless and lead to the tiredness problems you describe, which is also partially why I backed off MFP for a bit. I can be obsessive when the mood takes and it does rather encourage that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 March, 2012, 11:05:28 am
I realised as I was queueing at the garage/M&S (to buy a yoghurt!) that I hadn't really noticed the large racks of chocolate and other sweets.  I think that's from an increased awareness of calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 22 March, 2012, 01:26:17 pm
i watched this film yesterday and found it interesting - it answers the question why it's not easy/simple to lose weight:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01dzfgb/Horizon_20112012_The_Truth_about_Fat/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01dzfgb/Horizon_20112012_The_Truth_about_Fat/)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 March, 2012, 01:29:33 pm
Comment from one of my staff, watching me eating cheese, salad & hummus in pittas: 'You really make an effort with your food, don't you?'

I think she was being supportive ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 22 March, 2012, 02:47:36 pm
LOL Clarion, what does she eat then? Cheese/hummus/salad pittas are v yum, but if what is in effect a cheese sandwich is making an effort with food what on earth is she eating?!?!

My diet is going well, kind of ok I guess. I'm not getting much downward movement, seeming almost impossible now but I have lost a few centimetres which is helping pacify me.

Still on about 2100-2300 a day, and last week I did 28 hours of exercise so not sure what else I can do really. Very envious of people who pack away 3000+ calories a day for a couple of hours of exercise a day. One of my friends is smaller than me, eating 3500 cals a day and runs 50 miles a week (so ave of not much more than an hour a day!)

I guess a point comes when its necessary to think about what's realistic. I'm never going to be a skinny- my BMI is 21.5 so perfectly healthy but its just frustrating that there is still a bit to come off that I think would make me faster.

Looks like some people on here are having good losses so so v well done :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 March, 2012, 02:53:52 pm
I've been overweight since my teens, when i took masses of steroids in order to survive.  Throws everything out, especially at that point in life.  It's taken years of effort (literally), but I've got down to the lightest I've ever been as an adult, and I don't think I'm going to lose an awful lot more now.  I know others do more or less exercise, and eat more than me or less.  But I've realised I have to focus on what I need to do.  And it has been, and still is, hard.  But I'm getting there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 March, 2012, 02:55:25 pm
21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.

My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 March, 2012, 03:55:18 pm
i watched this film yesterday and found it interesting - it answers the question why it's not easy/simple to lose weight:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01dzfgb/Horizon_20112012_The_Truth_about_Fat/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01dzfgb/Horizon_20112012_The_Truth_about_Fat/)
That's interesting, thanks for the link.

I'm obese, and have been since I (first) gave up smoking in 1991. I wasn't for about 2 years during/soon after my marital breakdown, but even then I think my BMI was around 27.
It's lovely to daydream that it's 'just' a hormone problem and soon they will be able to synthesise the 'fullness' hormone and banish my issues forever. Doubt it, though.

I'm not losing at the moment, and that's probably because it's not working, so I'm not sticking to it very well, so it's not working....

Ahh well. Looking forward to the weekend so I can beat Simonp's gluttony PB by quite a long way.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 22 March, 2012, 04:01:29 pm
Don't lose sight of the fact many attractive people are within more wrapping than many un-attractive folk who have little packaging
 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 March, 2012, 04:05:20 pm
Don't lose sight of the fact many attractive people are within more wrapping than many un-attractive folk who have little packaging
 :)
It's not about being attractive/unattractive. It's about 1000km, in That Scotland. The Snow Roads. The Midland Super Grimpeur. And my knees.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 22 March, 2012, 04:08:37 pm
Whilst that may well be true, jogler, I believe what fboab, who is already Officially_Fast, wants is to lose kg so that she can beat every boab-worder out there up every boab-wording hill in the boab-wording world.  Whilst singing (tunelessly, I'm told) to really rub salt in the wounds. And a mighty fine aspiration it is too.

ETA - x-post with herself ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 22 March, 2012, 04:11:49 pm
I see now.
Gotta be Audax Champion :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 22 March, 2012, 04:19:16 pm
Whilst singing (tunelessly, I'm told)

We are swotting up on some excellent choons for midnight renditions. This week, Bollywood is featuring heavily  :thumbsup:

(sings)
"All izz well..."
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 March, 2012, 04:23:50 pm
Mental note: implement linear regression in teh graphs. Can't be hard.

(It's just RMS isn't it?)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 March, 2012, 04:25:30 pm
Don't lose sight of the fact many attractive people are within more wrapping than many un-attractive folk who have little packaging
 :)
It's not about being attractive/unattractive. It's about 1000km, in That Scotland. The Snow Roads. The Midland Super Grimpeur. And my knees.

The first and final 50k of the MSG 300 are flat.

Just means it's 4800m of climbing in the middle 200k.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 March, 2012, 04:34:11 pm
Don't lose sight of the fact many attractive people are within more wrapping than many un-attractive folk who have little packaging
 :)
It's not about being attractive/unattractive. It's about 1000km, in That Scotland. The Snow Roads. The Midland Super Grimpeur. And my knees.

The first and final 50k of the MSG 300 are flat.

Just means it's 4800m of climbing in the middle 200k.

We're only doing the middle 200

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 22 March, 2012, 06:31:37 pm
21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.

My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.

I never get why my BMI is lower than yours, when I have actual blubber (at the moment) and you don't  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 22 March, 2012, 06:44:09 pm
21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.

My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.

I never get why my BMI is lower than yours, when I have actual blubber (at the moment) and you don't  :-\
Ladies are supposed to have some blubber.  :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 March, 2012, 06:45:46 pm
21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.

My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.

I never get why my BMI is lower than yours, when I have actual blubber (at the moment) and you don't  :-\
That's easy- because BMI is just a guide. It doesn't take into account how much of your mass is muscle/fat/bone. Simon has a lower bodyfat than you. And so he should, you're female, and are 'supposed' to have more fat.
Stands to reason that of people with an identical BMI some of them will have more fat and some more muscle. Some will have heavier bones. A little old lady/ very sedentary person with my BMI would be HUGE as opposed to the LARGE of me. Some of my mass is muscle and bone that they wouldn't have.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 22 March, 2012, 06:55:20 pm
21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.

My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.

I never get why my BMI is lower than yours, when I have actual blubber (at the moment) and you don't  :-\
That's easy- because BMI is just a guide. It doesn't take into account how much of your mass is muscle/fat/bone. Simon has a lower bodyfat than you. And so he should, you're female, and are 'supposed' to have more fat.
Stands to reason that of people with an identical BMI some of them will have more fat and some more muscle. Some will have heavier bones. A little old lady/ very sedentary person with my BMI would be HUGE as opposed to the LARGE of me. Some of my mass is muscle and bone that they wouldn't have.

Ah that explains it, I definitely don't have all that much muscle. I aspire to being muscular rather than puny with blubber, but might have exactly the same BMI if I achieve that!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 22 March, 2012, 07:07:38 pm
My weight loss seems to have slowed down over the last few weeks.But to be honest I am not that concerned,I'm feeling a lot stronger on the bike and riding about 150 miles a week.I will be doing longer rides now the Springs here and it will be interesting to see if my weight starts to fall when I have done a few long rides.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 22 March, 2012, 07:20:16 pm
Don't lose sight of the fact many attractive people are within more wrapping than many un-attractive folk who have little packaging
 :)
It's not about being attractive/unattractive. It's about 1000km, in That Scotland. The Snow Roads. The Midland Super Grimpeur. And my knees.

I just don't want to be the ball 'n' chain on a tour we're doing in the summer, huffing and puffing and getting extra frustrated with Them Hills. I wasn't a very happy person on the Wales not the royal wedding trip last year, and it was partly because I was carrying extra weight roughly equal to one of the dog's mahoosive sacks of food, and by god I could feel it (even though it shows a bit less on me, being tall).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 March, 2012, 07:36:32 pm
21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.

My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.

I never get why my BMI is lower than yours, when I have actual blubber (at the moment) and you don't  :-\

He has a higher lean body mass than you have. I believe there are fundamental biological differences. I can explain via pm if you wish...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 March, 2012, 07:41:59 pm
Male and female norms for body fat differ. I do have fat on me though. Just above my hips and on my
lower back, in the main.  When you used my bf scales your were in the female fitness range and I was in the male fitness range.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 22 March, 2012, 09:35:58 pm
Male and female norms for body fat differ. I do have fat on me though. Just above my hips and on my
lower back, in the main.  When you used my bf scales your were in the female fitness range and I was in the male fitness range.

I think I was about 5kg lighter than my current weight at the time thobut!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 March, 2012, 09:57:23 pm
Male and female norms for body fat differ. I do have fat on me though. Just above my hips and on my
lower back, in the main.  When you used my bf scales your were in the female fitness range and I was in the male fitness range.

I think I was about 5kg lighter than my current weight at the time thobut!

I was about 3.5kg lighter. I have higher body fat than then. The scales only give a rough idea of absolute levels anyway. The male fitness zone is about 14-17% fat and the female is around 18-24%.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 March, 2012, 10:57:34 pm
Women must have more fat because they have bigger brains.  O:-)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 March, 2012, 11:00:36 pm
Women must have more fat because they have bigger boobs.  O:-)

d.
FTFY
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 March, 2012, 09:10:53 am
Male and female norms for body fat differ. I do have fat on me though. Just above my hips and on my
lower back, in the main.  When you used my bf scales your were in the female fitness range and I was in the male fitness range.

Me too. Muffin tops and back fat are the correct terms, I believe. I still had it at the bmi 18.5 I was briefly last year. I suspect I'd need to do some core stability stuff to get rid, but ICBA.

More dicking about with my HRM and MFP showed that the 16-20mph category is way overestimating unless I try to keep my HR up around 75% of (calculated) MHR.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 23 March, 2012, 10:57:23 am
Women must have more fat because they have bigger boobs.  O:-)
FTFY

I'll be perfectly honest... that's what I was going to write originally.  ;D

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 March, 2012, 05:02:58 pm
I am carrying over two stones of blubber. My boobs account for <5% of that weight.
That makes them insignificant.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 March, 2012, 08:48:47 am
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I was mostly 108.8kg today.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 March, 2012, 09:31:13 am
According to myfitnesspal, I had a net deficit of over 3,000 calories yesterday. I think that means I'm technically dead.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 March, 2012, 10:16:21 am
It said 4900 for me on Saturday. Almost cancelled out the gluttony of the previous 6 days. Almost.

I’m 71.1kg today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 March, 2012, 10:27:16 am
I tried to eat plenty yesterday but I could only manage about 4,500 calories. Even assuming MFP has overestimated my calorie expenditure on yesterday's ride by 20%, that's still a net deficit of around 1,500. My weight is unchanged over the weekend.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 26 March, 2012, 11:39:33 am
Give it time, my deficit on Saturday was nearly 5000 calories and yesterday I was 3kg heavier than before the 300k. This is normal for me after the longer rides.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 March, 2012, 11:51:43 am
I'm slightly surprised that my weight is exactly the same as it was before the ride (normally it fluctuates, up or down, by 2kg or more) but I'm not at all concerned about it.

I'm more surprised that I can burn that many calories and not feel hungrier than I did at the end of the ride yesterday. Had a baked potato and beans at the finish and it properly filled me up. Wasn't even tempted by the fine array of cakes on offer.

Having said that, I did just find myself looking at the clock and wondering why it isn't lunchtime yet...

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 March, 2012, 01:56:53 pm
I'm slightly surprised that my weight is exactly the same as it was before the ride (normally it fluctuates, up or down, by 2kg or more) but I'm not at all concerned about it.

I'm more surprised that I can burn that many calories and not feel hungrier than I did at the end of the ride yesterday. Had a baked potato and beans at the finish and it properly filled me up. Wasn't even tempted by the fine array of cakes on offer.

Having said that, I did just find myself looking at the clock and wondering why it isn't lunchtime yet...

d.

IME post-Audax hunger catches up big time on the Tuesday or Wednesday following a BBig Ride over the weekend.
Pls not to eat yr mother/spouse/offspring as a result.
Thx
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 26 March, 2012, 02:38:03 pm
I did, what was for me, a rather 'tough' bit of riding yesterday - over 70km at an average of over 25hph.  (*checks stats* that's the highest average I've had this year)

I thought I ate well to compensate yesterday, but today I am starving.  Had twice as much for lunch as planned (first lunch at 12:00 as I couldn't wait any longer) and I'm now hungry again.  Without leaving the office to buy more food, my choices are fruit and/or biscuits.  I'm afraid the fruit won't do the job and I'd easily eat a whole package of biscuits.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 March, 2012, 02:50:10 pm
I'm popping over to M&S shortly for a custard choux bun. They come in packs of two. Would you like to go halves to help me avoid eating both of them? Only 300 calories per bun!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 26 March, 2012, 02:52:54 pm
I'm popping over to M&S shortly for a custard choux bun. They come in packs of two. Would you like to go halves to help me avoid eating both of them? Only 300 calories per bun!

d.

By the time I cycle over to wherever you are I'll probably be so hungry I'll take both.  :P
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 March, 2012, 12:39:13 pm
It would appear there maybe is a god. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17511011)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 27 March, 2012, 12:40:33 pm
It would appear there maybe is a god. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17511011)

(Puts on shoes)

Want anything from the shop?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 March, 2012, 02:10:51 pm
Why go to the shop when the milkman will bring you FREE Lindor truffles when you order more than £10 in one delivery? Code TREATME...

 :demon: :demon: :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 27 March, 2012, 02:49:01 pm
Helly, I'm trying hard to forget that offer :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 March, 2012, 03:04:10 pm
Lindor truffles are great for domestic 'Easter egg' hunts.
Hide them in pairs in various drawers and crannies.
David is usually still unearthing them at the Summer Solstice...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 27 March, 2012, 03:26:08 pm
I'm finding that MFP is really helping.  Mainly it appears to be the shock one gets when one sees how many calories certain foods have.  :o   ;D

Today's lunch wasn't that healthy, but was with clients so my choices were limited.  As a result I only have 150 for the rest of the day!  Then again, I don't work out my 'calories earned' from cycling until I get home at the end of the day, so I should be OK.   :smug:

Looking forward to tomorrow's weigh-in.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 27 March, 2012, 03:43:04 pm
1 Cadbury's Boost = 2 thick slices of cheese = 6 apples = 1.25kg cabbage.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 March, 2012, 03:46:20 pm
1 Cadbury's Boost = 2 thick slices of cheese = 6 apples = 1.25kg cabbage.

d.
Is that lunch?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 27 March, 2012, 03:54:12 pm
I'm not sure all those things would go very well together but I think it would constitute a balanced diet.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Katie on 27 March, 2012, 06:49:06 pm
Got bored of MFP myself, but I've been doing Slimming World since September.

Shiny progress graph!  I started at 16st 3½lbs, have lost 3st 11½ so far. Red line so far, blue line predicted, purple line target weight.

(http://group.slimmingworld.com/my-slimming-world/my-progress-chart.aspx?member_id=C0B1F5E67AF540C7B1CBED66E305E681&start=21&display_type=1&show_target=true)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 March, 2012, 06:55:19 pm
I'm not expecting to lose much when I weigh myself tomorrow. We've just had a curry to celebrate Dez's birthday. As a token to weight loss, Jan an I shared the onion bhaji and naan. Still too much though.

Edit: and now he's passing round Toblerone!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 March, 2012, 08:13:51 am
Up 400g.

What the hell else am I supposed to do? I'm hungry, a lot of the time. I'm riding for at least an hour, usually longer, every fucking day. I'm doing some stupid american woman's circuit training. I'm tired, I'm hungry, I'm bored of this, and I'm not fucking losing any weight!

If I had any money, I'd be spending it on Acai berries or whatever the latest herbal supplement bollox is. Maybe I should just detour through the mean streets of one of Thetford's many charming estates and stock up on some speed, that'd work, at least in the short term.

/Stomps off to drink water and eat an apple and pretend to be satisfied.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 March, 2012, 08:32:21 am
Down on last week, but up on yesterday. Not surprised really: not only was there the curry and a piece of Toblerone, but I made the mistake of winning a prize in the raffle yesterday at choir - and people had been making cakes. I'm afraid that when I got home, the will-power went and so did the cakes. I did share them with Dez & Mrs. Wow, but there were four...

I must climb back on the wagon!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 28 March, 2012, 08:43:33 am
After being level last week following seven days of being well behaved, I've done another week where I was clearly under my calories every day except one, when I didn't ride as much.  And so, I, too, am up 400g.

I can accept three weeks of not losing weight as blips, but gaining just means the gods are toying with me.

Bah!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 28 March, 2012, 09:19:58 am
Well I'm down a kg this week again which makes 11 this year. All will change next week - I'm off to Austria for a week's holiday and although I shall be doing lots of walking I will also be doing lots of eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 28 March, 2012, 10:25:08 am
Down 600g, which is a bit of a surprise really as I haven't been out on the bike as much as I intended. I do my first 200 of the year on Saturday so it will be interesting to see what effect that has on the weight.

I don't do measurements, but I hve noticed some of my cycling shorts are getting a bit baggy, so something must be changing :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2012, 11:02:24 am
This morning's weight is almost exactly the same as a month ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 28 March, 2012, 11:20:19 am
Only 1.5kg to go for me, then i can stop all this calorie counting - phew

The new job has helped, long hours with only 2 x 15 mins and 1 x 30 mins opportunity to eat.  Once target is reached i'll just have to swap the cereal bars for chocolate bars.

haha! so healthy  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 28 March, 2012, 12:19:24 pm
Only 1.5kg to go for me, then i can stop all this calorie counting - phew

Only 1kg to go for me, but I intend to keep counting after I reach my target, otherwise I know I'll have a relapse very quickly...

Like I did just now, for example. Thing is, we've had a delivery to the office of assorted baked delicacies from Greggs... Forgive me, father, for I have sinned - to the tune of 1 sausage roll, 1 chicken fajita pasty and 1 cheese and onion pasty. 1,220 calories. I feel dirty.

But it's OK - according to MFP, I still have 50 calories left for dinner. I shall ride the long route home for penance.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2012, 12:28:24 pm
So far today I've eaten a banana, a nectarine, a can of coke, and a mug of coffee. 349 calories consumed, 248 burned, so I have 1949 calories left for lunch and dinner and haven't even cycled to the tip with my trailer yet, or cycled home!



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 28 March, 2012, 01:07:57 pm
Cheated today, and weighed myself after a lunchtime run. Half a kg down, half a kg to go.

Won't stop MFPing, as it helps me keep an eye on what I eat. Without that structure, I'd live off beer and nuts.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 28 March, 2012, 01:45:23 pm
Up 400g.

What the hell else am I supposed to do? I'm hungry, a lot of the time. I'm riding for at least an hour, usually longer, every fucking day. I'm doing some stupid american woman's circuit training. I'm tired, I'm hungry, I'm bored of this, and I'm not fucking losing any weight!


Can you borrow a HRM? MFP estimates can be quite variable in their accuracy. I know I went through a patch with livestrong where the fact it was telling me to eat more made me feel hungrier, but it was just down to the calorie overestimation.

Of course, that could be bollocks. I was sure yesterday that MFP overestimated, but the numbers came out near identical.

Are you doing the rolling average measurement thing Citoyen recommended?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2012, 02:00:25 pm
Those MFP estimates are based upon a set of assumptions which will never precisely match reality, and sometimes be wildly wrong. They don't allow for towing a trailer for sure! I tend to bump up the speed I record a bit when I have the trailer on. Other than that, I find it ok for me.

I'm not surprised "16-20mph" isn't particularly accurate, since 16mph and 20mph are substantially different in terms of power output requirements, all else being equal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 28 March, 2012, 02:46:21 pm
It seems to be just me that the MFP things don't work for! If I put things in according to what MFP tells me I've burnt, I end up with a 1500 deficit every weekday, and about a 3500 deficit on my long ride day at the weekend. So on that basis I'd be losing 4lbs a week, every week.

Good losses everyone.

Fboab, I totally empathise. I don't know what else I can do, I get up before 5am every day- 3 hours of exercise before work, 45 mins spin class every lunchtime and 1 hour exercise after work. Plus an audax every weekend. I eat 2000-2200 calories a day. I'm frustrated too. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 March, 2012, 02:53:15 pm
Can you borrow a HRM? MFP estimates can be quite variable in their accuracy.
HRM reckoned (about a year ago, about 5kg lighter) about 700kcal/ 55 minute commute. I'm allowing 500kcal/hr as I don't believe MFP
Quote
Are you doing the rolling average measurement thing Citoyen recommended?
I'm weighing daily and watching the trend. It reckons me to be losing 0.8kg/month. It's not enough. Net calories are around 7700/week. MFP reckons my BMR is 10,200/week. I must have the BMR of an inert gas, I think.

It's not rocket science is it?
I'm not losing weight, so I must need to eat less and/or do more. I just don't want to, I'm doing as much as I've time & energy for, and I'm eating as little as I can bear.
No wonder I'm depressed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 March, 2012, 02:54:53 pm
Fboab, I totally empathise. I don't know what else I can do, I get up before 5am every day- 3 hours of exercise before work, 45 mins spin class every lunchtime and 1 hour exercise after work. Plus an audax every weekend. I eat 2000-2200 calories a day. I'm frustrated too. :(
How much sleep are you getting? I'm not being facetious, it's a serious question. I reckon for me the answer is 'not enough' and I think it would make a difference.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2012, 02:59:33 pm
A high volume exerciser such as yourself will be more sensitive to errors in estimation of calorie burn. Trying to maintain a precise calorie deficit (250 kcals per day, say) in the face of an error of only 10% in calorie burn figures if you burn say 2000 calories per day becomes quite tricky, since the error bars are already nearly as large as the thing you are trying to measure.

It's also problematic when trying to estimate food intake if you didn't prepare it yourself. I try to weigh stuff I do myself, and it helps that Feline is doing MFP as well, so when I ask how much stilton she gave me, she can tell me "70 grammes". When I was at my parents' over Christmas & New Year 2009-2010, I had just started the Livestrong calorie counting and was often not cooking for myself. I had to guess how much food I was given. My sister also thinks I'm greedy and doesn't get how I can eat as much as I do. Hence small portions which I seemed to be over-estimating, constant hunger, and excessively fast weight loss.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 28 March, 2012, 03:05:27 pm
The answer for me is not enough too. Its hard isn't it- I aim to be in bed about 10 but its always 10.30, and my alarm goes off at 4.50, so about 6.5 hours.

For me its not enough, I definitely need 8 hours really, especially with all the exercise, but if I sleep longer, I can exercise less and therefore burn less calories. Who knows whats best any more.

I'm always totally knackered.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 28 March, 2012, 03:08:02 pm
It's not rocket science is it?
I'm not losing weight, so I must need to eat less and/or do more. I just don't want to, I'm doing as much as I've time & energy for, and I'm eating as little as I can bear.
No wonder I'm depressed.

Put more crap in your panniers?

I dunno the answer - I feel the same as you - I just don't lose weight quickly. Overall, I lose weight at about .6 of the speed mfp suggests I should be, hence I run a 1200+ calorie deficit to get a .5kg weight loss.

You could always catch the flu. Worked for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 28 March, 2012, 03:09:34 pm
Simon- I don't eat stuff that I don't know the content of apart from at Audax controls......

I don't even bother with MFP now as it just gives me massive deficits whatever I put in. If we are just talking about weekdays, I cycle for 3 hours a day on those days and do 2 hours of stuff in the gym whether it be classes or weights stuff. Whatever I use, when I'm eating 2000-2200 a day, I have huge deficits. The calories MFP gives me before exercise is 1200 to lose weight, so in theory, I'm having 1000 for 5 hours of exercise. Surely I burn more than 1000 in 5 hours? Maths doesn't work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 28 March, 2012, 03:11:55 pm
A high volume exerciser such as yourself will be more sensitive to errors in estimation of calorie burn. Trying to maintain a precise calorie deficit (250 kcals per day, say) in the face of an error of only 10% in calorie burn figures if you burn say 2000 calories per day becomes quite tricky, since the error bars are already nearly as large as the thing you are trying to measure.

It's also problematic when trying to estimate food intake if you didn't prepare it yourself. I try to weigh stuff I do myself, and it helps that Feline is doing MFP as well, so when I ask how much stilton she gave me, she can tell me "70 grammes". When I was at my parents' over Christmas & New Year 2009-2010, I had just started the Livestrong calorie counting and was often not cooking for myself. I had to guess how much food I was given. My sister also thinks I'm greedy and doesn't get how I can eat as much as I do. Hence small portions which I seemed to be over-estimating, constant hunger, and excessively fast weight loss.

When preparing food for you it is generally easiest to assume that you are in fact 2 people and feed you accordingly!

I keep having this hunch reading this thread that some people might be sending their bodies into starvation mode from the heaps of exercise and so are storing more than normal from what they eat. I reckon what makes up the calories eaten is as important as how many there are overall. Carbs can be the enemy if they are the wrong kind at the wrong time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 March, 2012, 03:18:14 pm
I'd put up with constant hunger if I had excessively fast weight loss!

Surely I burn more than 1000 in 5 hours?

Well that depends, doesn't it. Are you sweaty? What does your HRM say? Are you drinking enough, resting enough, burning muscle for energy rather than fat?

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 28 March, 2012, 03:23:14 pm
Lack of sleep is probably a significant factor.

Lack of sleep is both a cause and effect of depression. If you're tired, it makes you more prone to comfort eating, and less inclined to want to exercise. Your body does most of its adaptations and repairs when you are sleeping - or at least, resting. A "high volume exerciser" (tm - SimonP :)) will generate a large demand for repairs, and sleep time is when that takes place. This is the basis of overtraining, is it not; a chronic backlog of recovery and maintainance tasks in the body?

Lack of sleep buggers up your seratonin and melatonin levels - both of which are involved in the appetite/satiation cycle.

Lack of sleep makes you grumpy, and suppresses your mood, which makes you less fidgety and your overall background BMR drops.

If you are exercising a lot, have a protein shake before going to bed. Have a Vitamin C chaser for good measure - your body can't make collagen without it. Make sure you drink enough too.

If the lack of sleep has an external cause (as I suspect is the case with fboab), deal with that (as I suspect she is going to, in due course).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2012, 03:35:21 pm
I was probably overtrained in 2010. The worst was ride a 600, ride a 300, ride a 600 on consecutive weekends, cycling to/from work during the week, and going to the gym and doing things like PBs for 10,000m on the rowing machine, and swimming club on Thursdays. I also failed to get sufficient sleep before two of the 600ks, managing 1h the night before the Denmead 600k and 2.5h before the Border Raid 600k. In both cases the 4h sleep at around midnight led to a better second day than first.

By the end of the 4th 600k I was pretty shot, and did virtually nothing except commuting for the 3 weeks before the Mille Cymru, just commuting and a bit of swimming iirc. It meant I managed to recover in time. What I did gain was the second day of the Mille Cymru I was riding well because 4x600k had got me used to riding for two days. After the Mille Cymru I took a while to recover and skipped the Mille Miglia Italia. I was struggling and had digestive issues just riding a 200k. It took me until March 2011 before I got back up to speed again.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2012, 03:49:16 pm
Ah!

"The metabolic rate can be affected by some drugs, such as antidepressants, which may produce weight gain.[22]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 March, 2012, 04:04:55 pm
The source is the most vague piece of tosh I've ever seen not exactly thoroughly researched and scientific.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0846/is_1_23/ai_107488078/?tag=content;col1

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 28 March, 2012, 04:17:14 pm
I keep having this hunch reading this thread that some people might be sending their bodies into starvation mode from the heaps of exercise and so are storing more than normal from what they eat. I reckon what makes up the calories eaten is as important as how many there are overall. Carbs can be the enemy if they are the wrong kind at the wrong time.

I see people claiming starvation mode on MFP, and have to say I'm a skeptic. If people mean they have induced ketosis, yes, but wouldn't they know from the pear drops taste? FWIW, I've never had it so maybe it's difficult to tell.

My guess as to the discrepancy people experience is that the model is much more complex than calories in / calories out (http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/298/3/E449.full) and physical activity energy expenditure measurement isn't easy to do (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15714212) and BMR estimates having a load of error in them (http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jnsv/57/3/57_224/_article). As such, the only answer if you aren't losing weight as quickly as you want is to do more and eat less and to marvel at how awesomely your body has adapted to the circumstances you've put it in. It's why I made a spread sheet so I could get a handle on the average discrepancy and adjust my behaviour / expectations accordingly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 28 March, 2012, 04:18:59 pm
Fboab, I cycle to work at 70-75% MHR, certainly enough to be quite sweaty when I get to work and then my spin classes, I pour with sweat and put a lot of effort into it. Things like body pump I do lift the maximum I can, so its not like I'm ptting no effort in. Audaxes I dawdle a bit.

Sleep, well it could be an issue.

I do take anti-depressants and suspect I will as long as I am not running.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 28 March, 2012, 04:23:54 pm
Just looked at my HRM for ride into work this morning, for 70 mins it gave me 600 calories. I 'give myself' about 300 for it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 March, 2012, 04:32:44 pm
I do take anti-depressants and suspect I will as long as I am not running.
Me too. And I've been banned from running  ;)

(Really- you never hear diabetics going on about how glad they are to be off the insulin. Sheesh)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 28 March, 2012, 05:51:07 pm
Starvation mode:
I don't have any sources, but I recollect reading some stuff in a few places. It's related to the business about eating within 30mins-ish of a training session - if you leave it too late your body panics a bit and goes into preservation mode. The idea is that you stop repairing the damage done by exercise, and send all possible calories to fat stores.

This makes "sense" to me, but might be proved wrong by REAL SCIENCE. (The above might just be a simplification of what insulin actually does in a 'normal' body. I like simplification.)


As for sleep, well it's a waste of time, isn't it? I only do it when absolutely necessary. (Experience says this is nearly every night.)

Of course Neil the Hippy had the best tip:"Everyone knows sleep gives you cancer" which is indeed supported by (certain) statistics.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 28 March, 2012, 05:58:05 pm
Hmmm. Thinking about when I eat and exercise- I exercise in the mornings then eat breakfast, at lunchtime then eat lunch, and after work and then eat dinner so it all falls quite well for me in that respect.

As for the sleep thing, well I'm moaning that I don't get enough lol, and i'm fairly recently in remission from cancer so I'm not too sure about that theory!!

If no sleep was required wouldn't life be so much easier. All those extra hours would be amazing :) :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 28 March, 2012, 06:00:47 pm
I got myself a fancy body composition monitor http://www.amazon.co.uk/Omron-BF508-Composition-Monitor-Bathroom/dp/B0033AGBVG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332953545&sr=8-1

So I monitor weight, fat, visceral fat and muscle %ages daily. It's not totally accurate (hydration can cause things to fluctuate), but it shows overall trends.

Started logging everything 21st Feb, since then I've lost 2.5 kg. I weigh myself first thing in the morning, and last thing at night.

When I'm sleeping, I'm not eating, so I can only lose weight when I sleep, so sleep is good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 March, 2012, 09:27:25 am
The past two days have been a salutary lesson in what happens when I let up. Tuesday was Dez's birthday and we had take-away curry and, even though Mrs. Wow and I shared stuff we might well have had one each of previously (onion bhaji, nan bread) I still ate too much.

Yesterday involved absolutely no cycling, about 120 miles of driving, some lovely fresh bread at lunch time in which I over-indulged, and another curry, home-made this time, in which, again, I over-indulged. And beer - 2 pints.

The result is that the lowest the scales would reluctantly allow was 109.7kg, but mostly 110.3kg. Given that, on Tuesday morning I couldn't make them go above 110 and they settled, eventually, on 108.8, that shows that I've gone backwards extremely rapidly.

Next week I'm on holiday. I think I'm going to steer clear of ale if I can. There will, at least, be reasonably cycling days: not huge number of miles, but there will be hills, it being Southern Scotland.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 29 March, 2012, 09:33:23 am
I had a curry last night. My normal amount (which is a lot), although it was a rather mediocre curry in Framlingham. Boy, was my belly stuffed! Think my stomach has shrunk.

I'm unreasonably annoyed about my HRM packing up as I used it a lot to estimate my calorie burn. The same route varied widely in calorie burn depending on wind strength/my effort/other variables. Now I just don't know. Or I buy another. But £35, and it only lasted a year???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 March, 2012, 09:34:31 am
Has the battery packed up, or is it the machine itself?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 29 March, 2012, 09:46:34 am
Lidl/Aldi regularly have HRM for £not much.

Dunno if they're any good though. I could send you mine for all I use it, actually. YHPM.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CAMRAMan on 29 March, 2012, 09:52:21 am
Wow! This feels like AA! Well, I've acknowledged that ordering a 3XL YACF jersey is the trigger to lose weight! It's good to read everybody else's experiences.

My vice is crisps. I can eat a six pack of crisps easily in one sitting, but my portion control when I cook is generous, to say the least. I tend to graze a lot as well.

Anyhow, I started to cut down on crisps and to watch what I eat relatively carefully two weeks ago. I'm weighing myself at the same time every morning to be consistent and am 2.2Kgs down. My loss is not consistent, and weekends slow down/reverse the process, but I'm feeling motivated to do this. I've even realised that carrots are tasty and a good filler.

There is an occasion at the end of April that is fuelling this effort, so whether I maintain things after (& up to) that remains to be seen. At the moment, infuriating as it may sound, I'm finding it straightforward. I'm sure there will be trickier times ahead. Easter is a ostensibly a walking trip to Hereford, but I know it's an excuse for a piss up, so that could see a reverse.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 29 March, 2012, 10:18:00 am
Has the battery packed up, or is it the machine itself?
Well I changed the battery (for the only spare I have) and it still didn't work.

Phoned Garmin who suggested taking the battery out completely for 10 minutes (still didn't work) and then turning the battery round for a couple of minutes to reset it (still didn't work).

I have another battery which I think still has some juice in it in my bike computer. Just took that off the bike - it has these four tiny screws that I don't have a screwdriver small enough to remove it with.

I need to find some brand new, fresh CR2032s but I have a sneaky suspicion it's more than that and as I can't find the packaging I'm probably out of luck with this one which goes with my Oregon.

I am considering fboab's kind offer to borrow hers as it does help with the diet tracking for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 29 March, 2012, 10:19:43 am
Well you could knock me down with a feather.

Just went into the kitchen to have another go. Fiddled with the Oregon (turned of HRM, then back on again, done this dozens of times). "Connected". Hurrah.

But for how long...

Anyway, I shall buy some more CR2032s as one always needs 'em and this battery might be a bit flaky too. But hurrah. Off for a ride to buy some cake now (the minister is coming round this afternoon - he invited himself round for some cake and to pick my brain about the best way to get to Berlin. He won't like my answer of 'train' or 'bike', but he will like the cake from Hall Farm Shop, Stratford St Mary)!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 29 March, 2012, 01:02:06 pm
Well my HRM worked all the way round my 21 mile loop today.

Except it was consistently reading lower than my usual, around the 110s instead of the 125s. I decided to go super-effort up a hill and got it up to 172, but that's nowhere near my former max (not that I felt I was riding at max effort).

Downside is I've only burned 550 calories for what would normally have been 800ish. My average speed was as usual (11.6mph for this route). Weird. But if it's going to have an error, underreading is preferable so I don't eat calories I haven't burned off, and yet the diet was working well on the previous reading. It could all be in my head but somehow I don't think so. We shall see!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 29 March, 2012, 01:18:04 pm
If it's a "good brand" HRM I very much doubt the figures would be wrong. When mine lose signal (or the batteries fade) the figures go barmy (215 usually) or drops to zero. Anything in between is always bang on. (Cheap Polars, various models)

I've often found my HR to be about 10beats lower than perceived, so I'd put that down to "user error", not a technical fault. (I can usually guess it within a few beats before I check the display, but I have the odd off day - generally when truly knackered.)

Don't forget the transmitter and the receiver have batteries in them (not always replaceable in the straps, sadly).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 29 March, 2012, 02:19:42 pm
The past two days have been a salutary lesson in what happens when I let up. Tuesday was Dez's birthday and we had take-away curry and, even though Mrs. Wow and I shared stuff we might well have had one each of previously (onion bhaji, nan bread) I still ate too much.

Yesterday involved absolutely no cycling, about 120 miles of driving, some lovely fresh bread at lunch time in which I over-indulged, and another curry, home-made this time, in which, again, I over-indulged. And beer - 2 pints.

The result is that the lowest the scales would reluctantly allow was 109.7kg, but mostly 110.3kg. Given that, on Tuesday morning I couldn't make them go above 110 and they settled, eventually, on 108.8, that shows that I've gone backwards extremely rapidly.

Next week I'm on holiday. I think I'm going to steer clear of ale if I can. There will, at least, be reasonably cycling days: not huge number of miles, but there will be hills, it being Southern Scotland.

I'd say that means your gut is full and you're well htdrated, nothing more. Weight trending over such a short period is pointless IMO.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 March, 2012, 02:27:18 pm
The past two days have been a salutary lesson in what happens when I let up. Tuesday was Dez's birthday and we had take-away curry and, even though Mrs. Wow and I shared stuff we might well have had one each of previously (onion bhaji, nan bread) I still ate too much.

Yesterday involved absolutely no cycling, about 120 miles of driving, some lovely fresh bread at lunch time in which I over-indulged, and another curry, home-made this time, in which, again, I over-indulged. And beer - 2 pints.

The result is that the lowest the scales would reluctantly allow was 109.7kg, but mostly 110.3kg. Given that, on Tuesday morning I couldn't make them go above 110 and they settled, eventually, on 108.8, that shows that I've gone backwards extremely rapidly.

Next week I'm on holiday. I think I'm going to steer clear of ale if I can. There will, at least, be reasonably cycling days: not huge number of miles, but there will be hills, it being Southern Scotland.

I'd say that means your gut is full and you're well htdrated, nothing more. Weight trending over such a short period is pointless IMO.

Indeed; it is difficult to eat more than a a pound of fat's calories in two days, so you'll weigh just half a kilo more than you did last week, once you've been back on the diet for about 10 days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 March, 2012, 06:44:38 pm
When preparing food for you it is generally easiest to assume that you are in fact 2 people and feed you accordingly!

Given that many people have a BMR of around 1500 calories and my average daily requirement in 2010 was probably over 3000 calories, that's probably a reasonable rule of thumb. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 29 March, 2012, 10:15:04 pm
Well my HRM worked all the way round my 21 mile loop today.

Except it was consistently reading lower than my usual, around the 110s instead of the 125s. I decided to go super-effort up a hill and got it up to 172, but that's nowhere near my former max (not that I felt I was riding at max effort).

Downside is I've only burned 550 calories for what would normally have been 800ish. My average speed was as usual (11.6mph for this route). Weird. But if it's going to have an error, underreading is preferable so I don't eat calories I haven't burned off, and yet the diet was working well on the previous reading. It could all be in my head but somehow I don't think so. We shall see!

Maybe you have just got super-fit since you last used it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 29 March, 2012, 10:16:00 pm
I wondered that, but it's an impressive fitness boost in 2 days!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 April, 2012, 09:47:08 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17585734

BMI 'underestimating obesity'.

I knew that BMI had low sensitivity for obesity, but going for a threshold of 24 for women and 28 for men will classify more people as obese who don't reall have a problem. It's still possible to have excessive fat with a 'normal' BMI.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 03 April, 2012, 06:53:34 pm
I was so happy yesterday to have weighed myself and discovered I'm now just overweight, not obese, as my BMI is now 29.9 or something. So I'm sticking with that measurement.

I am currently in Austria for a week so expect to be obese again on my return.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 03 April, 2012, 08:12:03 pm
Don't know how many kgs but it is nearly 4 inches on the belt now. And I eat loads of junk but putting them in the miles in the HARD way.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 April, 2012, 08:24:54 pm
This is going to get even harder, now, isn't it?
turbo one handed? Single arm squat lifts? Right hand row? Single arm push ups?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 03 April, 2012, 08:48:13 pm
See?  You have loads of ideas already! :thumbsup:
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 03 April, 2012, 09:09:11 pm
Want to borrow my spare trike, Fabian? (That's what my phone autocorrected fboab to!). It works for me with one weak arm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 April, 2012, 09:57:46 pm
Helen, that's really kind, I might well take you up on that. It'd be nice to retain some independence. I'll be in touch when I've had a physio ok in a few (hopefully short) weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 03 April, 2012, 10:05:25 pm
Another chum has it for a fortnight but it should be back when you might want it. Let me know.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 04 April, 2012, 06:00:19 am
C**p week this week as Not enough miles and comfort eating due to a cold.  but I stayed the same weight, there is hope that things will improve as the cold improves.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 04 April, 2012, 08:52:05 am
I'm under the 90kg threshold which is always a physcological significance for me.I didn't expect to lose a whole kg 'cause I've not been at all good wrt what I am eating.
I assume that 200km carrying 26kg last weekend is a contributing factor but as a weight loss exercise I will be doing it in future by reducing the amount of camping kit on the bike. ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 April, 2012, 09:04:50 am
OK, so the last couple of weeks have been a blip, and I've got back on track, with 1kg under last week's depressing reverse.

Over the months, I have lost:

Jan: 3.8kg
Feb: 2.6kg
Mar: 2.0kg

I suppose it's inevitable that, the less there is to lose, the less I will lose as I approach a sustainable weight, but I would be happy if April sees 2kg off, as that will reach my target.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 04 April, 2012, 09:28:00 am
Well I'm down 6kg from NYD, and 600g since last week. Would probably have been more wihout the full 12" pizza last night :facepalm:

At 2kg/month it would take me just under 11 months to move from obese to overweight and just under 19 months to hit a healthy BMI. Hmm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 April, 2012, 02:36:59 pm
So, I'm reckoning that the steel plate, screws and plaster cast weigh a couple of kilos, yeah? And I have been on opiates for 48 hours....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 04 April, 2012, 03:32:46 pm
Pah, I wish I had something like booze to give up for some free and easy spare calories.

How do you get over the ICBA part of losing weight?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 April, 2012, 03:37:30 pm
I wish I knew, Doosh, I wish I knew.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 04 April, 2012, 03:39:38 pm
If anyone finds an answer I'd be interested as well :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 04 April, 2012, 03:53:43 pm
I've discovered that dragging 26kg around 200km including some lumpy bits gets rid of a kg.
The drawback is that it doesn't qualify for ICBA.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 04 April, 2012, 05:25:28 pm
I cracked the 60kg barrier this week, with the help of running out of food and forgetting to order more. Not a single biscuit, crisp, cake or pudding in the house. I did make epic quantities of soup with all the Riverford organic veggies I had though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 April, 2012, 12:43:08 am
I keep breaking the 70kg barrier.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 April, 2012, 01:06:42 am
My trousers seem loose. I've not weighed myself of late as I need assistance and it's not been convenient for David when I want to weigh myself. He doesn't think I've lost any weight...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 05 April, 2012, 09:43:56 am
Checking in a day late as I've been away for work and I am astounded that I have, according to the scales this morning, lost a pound!  This after a week which has included four full English breakfasts and only one day on the bike.
I don't totally believe the reading this morning, but at least I haven't put on loads.
As I will now be spending two nights per week in hotels for the next three months and won't be riding the bike when away I will need to be extra careful.
Any hints?

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 05 April, 2012, 10:05:44 am
Use hotels with a gym or swimming pool
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 April, 2012, 01:39:21 pm
Have your 'normal' breakfast in the hotel. For me that's cereal, orange juice & coffee. If you don't exercise when having frequent 'full English' your weight loss is at risk.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 05 April, 2012, 03:43:39 pm
Use hotels with a gym or swimming pool
It has both.  But the pool is tiny and I've never used a gym (not since leaving school anyway!).

Have your 'normal' breakfast in the hotel. For me that's cereal, orange juice & coffee. If you don't exercise when having frequent 'full English' your weight loss is at risk.
I'd come to that conclusion as well, Helly!  Much as I love a fry up...
I usually have toast, but white sliced is not the same as home-made.  They do fruit and yoghurt and things like that.  I'll have to have a better look next week.

I have decided that I will walk from the hotel to the office on the middle day of the three I'm there.  That's about two miles each way which should help.
The 'corner shop' is a small Waitrose which does 'slimmers'' sandwiches and such like so I've resolved to stick to those as well.
I have also realised that, as I will be tending to do long days when away, I get spare time when in the home office, so I may be able to get some more riding in then.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 05 April, 2012, 04:31:34 pm
I've stayed the same this week, but somethings not going right (again!) This time its not just the maths thats not working, but I've fainted 3 times, twice at work. I haven't been feeling low on energy or underfuelled or hungry or anything at the time so its very strange as its not something that normally happens to me.

Someone has said I might be low on iron, so need to have a look at my diet again I guess- I do eat red meat and lots of green stuff though so not sure why.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 05 April, 2012, 04:52:10 pm
but I've fainted 3 times,

blood pressure?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 April, 2012, 06:41:38 pm
I weighed myself last night on guest house scales after a significant portion of venison casserole. 114kg. It may or may not be true, but I'll wait until I get home next week to resume normal service.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 April, 2012, 09:29:49 pm
Don't know how many kgs but it is nearly 4 inches on the belt now. And I eat loads of junk but putting them in the miles in the HARD way.
You mean that you haven't made any ice cream or bought any Jarlsberg?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 05 April, 2012, 10:15:15 pm
I've been snacking badly today. :(

But, on the other hand, I had a conversation with the boss of the gardening company which tends the property at work which went thusly:

'Are you a Doctor?'
'No, I'm the Practice Manager.'
He narrowed his eyes
'The new Practice Manager?'
'No.  I've been here a while.'
Light dawns
'Aaaah, yes, I've met you before, haven't I?'
'Yes.  About six months ago.'
'You've changed.  You're completely changed.  You've lost weight, you have.  A lot of weight.'
'Yes.  About eight kilos since Christmas.'
'Here!' he said to the other gardener, 'Will you look at this?  He's lost eight kilos since Christmas.  That's grand that is.  You're looking really good.  That's fierce.  How've you done it?'
I indicated my bike
'That's it, is it?'
'That and eating sensibly.'
'Great.  You look great.  Don't overdo it, mind.'
'There's plenty more to go.'
'Fierce.'


and, as I was waiting for the non-appearance of a waste truck this evening, I got changed.  I needed to go to the Nurse Manager to give her some instructions.  She took a look at me in my cycling kit, including Lusso longs, and, bless her, she didn't laugh, but said, 'You're so fit!  All that cycling and look!'

I don't think either of them were taking the piss. ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 April, 2012, 11:48:41 am
Well done, clarion!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 06 April, 2012, 07:49:25 pm
That's great Clarion!  :)

I'm sure you feel encouraged - keep it up.

Any chance of 'before' and 'after' pics?!!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 07 April, 2012, 12:19:01 pm
I don't expect there to be any weight loss this week.In fact I expect the opposite.Marj is working her magic in the kitchen ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 09 April, 2012, 09:13:46 pm
Saw this on MFP

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html

Someone tell America to hold the fries!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 April, 2012, 09:46:06 am
I was 71kg last night. In a T-shirt.
I appear to be lighter than my last weigh-in.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 April, 2012, 09:59:21 am
Having prided myself on Steady Weight but No Exercise, (I had not weighed myself last year at all) it appears I have gained 10lb.
I am going to have to Be Sensible.
There are still three uneaten Chocolate Oranges from Christmas. At the rate we attack them, I don't think they are the cause of the problem.
Looks like I'll be a Diet Bore too...

There are still two Chocolate Orange halves but there are now half-eaten Lindt Gold Bunnies.
Still, I'm lighter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 April, 2012, 06:41:44 pm
When I put my trousers on this morning before breakfast, they told me that they thought I hadn't put on any weight in the past week. This is the first time for more than a week that I've put trousers on before breakfast. Our only riding today was between the B & B, stations and home. Every other morning I've put elasticated cycling longs on and they don't impart nearly so much information as ordinary trousers.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 11 April, 2012, 07:27:54 am
Back in the hotel. Breakfast this morning was grapefruit and mandarins plus a low fat yoghurt. We'll have to see if that's enough, but I do have a supply of apples with me for mid-morning if needed.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 April, 2012, 07:49:15 am
110.4, up 1.3 kg on a fortnight ago. That's not too bad, considering I've had 10 B & B cooked breakfasts, 10 pub lunches and 10 quite large evening meals since then. However, given that we have another holiday at the end of May, which is now only 7 weeks away, my 100kg target for the Dun Run (30/6//12) is looking rather distant.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 11 April, 2012, 09:08:19 am
I'm up 3kg after a week in Austria. I'm hoping some of that is post-flight water retention or summat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 11 April, 2012, 09:11:38 am
I'm down more than a kilo after a week of absolutely no exercise and eating like someone who needs the comfort of chocolate, cake and, erm trifle  :-[

I am off the opiates though. Mostly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 April, 2012, 09:14:17 am
We're nearly half way through the month, and I've done just 130km of cycling. This shows.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 11 April, 2012, 09:18:47 am
We're nearly half way through the month, and I've done just 130km of cycling. This shows.  :facepalm:
11/30 = 36%. 'Half Way' tcha.
Have you been talking to Jasmine?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 April, 2012, 10:06:37 am
We're nearly half way through the month, and I've done just 130km of cycling. This shows.  :facepalm:
11/30 = 36%. 'Half Way' tcha.
Have you been talking to Jasmine?

Tch... wearing your glasses again this morning, aren't you? Let me help you...

We're nearly half way through the month, and I've done just 130km of cycling. This shows.  :facepalm:

 ;D :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 11 April, 2012, 10:31:27 am
I'm off out on my trike shortly to try to shift some of the extra lard and to buy some food as the cupboards, post-holiday, are rather bare! Hopefully I can start on reducing the deficit from last week. Those cakes and pastries were wonderful though!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 11 April, 2012, 11:27:31 am
No change :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 April, 2012, 01:16:22 pm
I'm down more than a kilo after a week of absolutely no exercise and eating like someone who needs the comfort of chocolate, cake and, erm trifle  :-[

I am off the opiates though. Mostly.

Short term water retention is part of the body's response to trauma.
Muscle breakdown also features.

Regaining/retaining muscle whilst whittling at the blubber is a greater challenge. The absence of bonk-like symptoms can make restricting intake less challenging though.

GWS and persist with the tedious dieting!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 12 April, 2012, 11:06:27 am
I've somehow wiped out over half my weight loss in one week :(

Knew I was getting too confident.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: slohill on 12 April, 2012, 11:26:52 am
Have just come back from 8 days cycling on the Costa Blanca based in Xavia.  Was feeling super fit and light on leaving Spain---then the French air traffic controllers went on lightening strike which resulted in me spending 40 hours without sleep getting back home to Chester.  During all this, I managed to strain a back muscle lugging a 28kg bike box and 18k luggage around through various airports---so now it's 2 weeks off the bike and some pain management whilst I get all unfit again.
Don't you just love air traffic controllers!!!  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 April, 2012, 06:46:33 pm
I have put my activities from yesterday in to MFP.

2700-odd calories of food.
2300-odd calories of exercise (200 minutes of cycling).

Leaving me with a deficit of 1600-odd calories.

I feel like shit today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 April, 2012, 06:55:11 pm
I feel like shit today.

Is that particularly high in calories then?  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 April, 2012, 06:56:12 pm
I have put my activities from yesterday in to MFP.

2700-odd calories of food.
2300-odd calories of exercise (200 minutes of cycling).

Leaving me with a deficit of 1600-odd calories.

I feel like shit today.

Let that be an educational example to us all...

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 April, 2012, 07:04:38 pm
I have put my activities from yesterday in to MFP.

2700-odd calories of food.
2300-odd calories of exercise (200 minutes of cycling).

Leaving me with a deficit of 1600-odd calories.

I feel like shit today.

Let that be an educational example to us all...

I didn't mean to have such a large deficit. Was somewhat over on the previous days but too little time to have breakfast then finding there was no buffet car on the train didn't help. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 April, 2012, 07:07:17 pm
I have put my activities from yesterday in to MFP.

2700-odd calories of food.
2300-odd calories of exercise (200 minutes of cycling).

Leaving me with a deficit of 1600-odd calories.

I feel like shit today.

Let that be an educational example to us all...

I didn't mean to have such a large deficit. Was somewhat over on the previous days but too little time to have breakfast then finding there was no buffet car on the train didn't help. :(

It's always possible you feel crap because I kept you awake all night on Tuesday night feeling ill rather than because of the deficit! I had an awesome 5200 deficit Friday and 1500 Saturday, but felt pretty normal for me other than crash damage on Sunday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 April, 2012, 07:13:11 pm
I have put my activities from yesterday in to MFP.

2700-odd calories of food.
2300-odd calories of exercise (200 minutes of cycling).

Leaving me with a deficit of 1600-odd calories.

I feel like shit today.

Let that be an educational example to us all...

I didn't mean to have such a large deficit. Was somewhat over on the previous days but too little time to have breakfast then finding there was no buffet car on the train didn't help. :(

It's always possible you feel crap because I kept you awake all night on Tuesday night feeling ill rather than because of the deficit! I had an awesome 5200 deficit Friday and 1500 Saturday, but felt pretty normal for me other than crash damage on Sunday.

I didn't feel that good yesterday, either. I felt fine on Sunday.

Don't know if my sleep was disturbed but I think I went to sleep at 2am and woke at 7am. Still, by the standards of your night shifts that's luxury.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 12 April, 2012, 10:03:47 pm
1400 is my standard daily deficit on MFP.....

But then I feel like crap most of the time lol.

Had a good TT tonight though :)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 April, 2012, 10:32:07 pm
Well, I had a far greater deficit on friday/sat. But having a large deficit when recovering from a 450km ride is probably cumulative.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 13 April, 2012, 08:07:39 am
Back home after my half-week working away.  Up a little, which I suspect is just noise.  The scale are not that reliable.
Seeing I thought I was 'being good' this week (no fry-ups at breakfast, walking to work on the middle day away and having the 'lighter' options at lunchtime) this is a little disappointing, but only a little. It shows how useful the cycling is! 
So I need to drive in today as I still have no means of getting the work laptop in otherwise! 
Lunch today will involve getting some straps to attach the wretched thing to the rack!

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 13 April, 2012, 01:23:13 pm
Off work this week and next week, so no cycle-commuting... was hoping to fit in a DIY 300 at some point but probably won't have time... have done a bit of cycling but not nearly as much as I'd like.

As a result, I've had a few days where I've already used up my daily calorie allowance by lunchtime.  :o

This is where myfitnesspal comes into its own - without the careful monitoring, I could easily put on several kilos very quickly.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 April, 2012, 05:34:49 pm
I've adjusted my calorie goal down to 1800/day from 2050. This should lose me about 200g weight/week which should mean with Feline's current trend continuing, we should come down from ~130kg (60+70) to ~128kg (59 + 69) combined weight in time for the Bryan Chapman. That's the theory anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 14 April, 2012, 01:11:02 am
I've adjusted my calorie goal down to 1800/day from 2050. This should lose me about 200g weight/week which should mean with Feline's current trend continuing, we should come down from ~130kg (60+70) to ~128kg (59 + 69) combined weight in time for the Bryan Chapman. That's the theory anyway.

Don't worry, I will soon make up for the weight loss by taking a pannier full of crap with me anyway  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 15 April, 2012, 08:27:56 pm
Well something have happened over the last 4 months :

January 2012 : (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b231/gus69/Uge1ubb7.jpg) April 2012 : (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b231/gus69/uge131.jpg)

But I still need to drop 25 Kg  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 15 April, 2012, 08:38:01 pm
Wow Gus! That's impressive, you look really good on it. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 16 April, 2012, 10:51:08 am
I'm going to bow out of here as I, errr, won't be losing any weight for a while.......

Good luck with reaching your targets :) :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 April, 2012, 10:51:45 am
Well done, Gus!  :thumbsup:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 April, 2012, 10:56:53 am
Well, Lady Cavendish, I suppose that means congratulations and best wishes are due.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 April, 2012, 11:07:35 am
Well, Lady Cavendish, I suppose that means congratulations and best wishes are due.

Either I'm a bit slow on the uptake or Clarion is reading between the lines... which is it?  ???

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Clare on 16 April, 2012, 11:08:37 am
Wow Gus that is an amazing difference.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 April, 2012, 11:20:28 am
Gus you skinny bugger!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 16 April, 2012, 11:26:55 am
I've decided I was far too slow uphill on the Elyndd so I am under eating and over training until the Bryan Chapman
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 16 April, 2012, 02:31:09 pm
LOL Citoyen, you can draw your own conclusions ;)

Gus, you look great. Well done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 18 April, 2012, 06:18:38 am
Right, a week away has had the usual effect, but now back on to the streight and narrow.

Geoff

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 April, 2012, 08:14:39 am
OK.  Unsurprising.  A slightly indulgent weekend followed by time off the bike (well, reduced riding) and a day of feeling grumpy at home, with the inevitable eating, have led to an increase in weight.  I sympathise with boab that trying to eat within limits without exercise is really hard.  I'll keep trying.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 April, 2012, 08:43:01 am
Relieved and pleased today - back below 110 after our return from holiday last week and a weekend's overindulgence on the Rutland camping trip.

I'll stick with the 100kg target for 30/6/2012 but it's looking a pretty forlorn hope. I'll be pleased if I get below 105kg for the Dun Run.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 18 April, 2012, 10:52:32 am
Nearly two weeks off the bike and very little in the way of other exercise, but still managed to shed some weight.  Still heavier than I had hoped to be at this point in the year, but think I can hit my target in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 April, 2012, 12:40:27 am
68.6kg this evening. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 19 April, 2012, 01:08:18 am
I've been very lazy this week exercise wise because I'm having a recovery week, but my weight is still falling. I'm getting away with it because I have totally failed to get out of my nocturnal pattern after a series of night shifts, and so am eating 2 meals a day (which is what I tend to gravitate towards if I don't make an effort to be like a normal person). I sleep from about 4am to midday, get up and have brunch, then am not hungry until an evening meal about 8pm. There isn't much point trying to snap out of this as I'm working Friday and Saturday nights this week.

Another 3kg to go and I will be happy. The question is will I get there by the Bryan Chapman?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 April, 2012, 08:15:52 am
Do not restrict your energy intake for a week before a Big Ride. Carrying an extra kilo or so (How much FAT will you lose in a week? 500g?) is much easier than dragging >60kg of Dead Body over 600km...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 19 April, 2012, 11:51:47 am
Well despite living in a hotel half the week and not doing any significant exercise, I have managed to hold my weight steady again this week. I am just about to go swimming and WILL be on the bike tomorrow.  Let's hope this is the beginning of a return to the gradual losses I was achieving earlier in the year.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 19 April, 2012, 01:54:34 pm
Another 3kg to go and I will be happy. The question is will I get there by the Bryan Chapman?

My target is 81Kg for the BCM.  Currently 82.3Kg.  Over 28 days that's approx 360 kcal deficit per day.

So no beer or cake or biscuits for a month it seems
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 19 April, 2012, 07:42:22 pm
Do not restrict your energy intake for a week before a Big Ride. Carrying an extra kilo or so (How much FAT will you lose in a week? 500g?) is much easier than dragging >60kg of Dead Body over 600km...

Agreed, however it is Simon and not I that will have to drag my dead body round the BCM  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 April, 2012, 08:17:00 pm
Do not restrict your energy intake for a week before a Big Ride. Carrying an extra kilo or so (How much FAT will you lose in a week? 500g?) is much easier than dragging >60kg of Dead Body over 600km...

Agreed, however it is Simon and not I that will have to drag my dead body round the BCM  ;D

I had hoped you'd survive the Brevet Cymru!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 19 April, 2012, 09:08:18 pm
I seem to be stuck...it can't be me...

it must be the scales..    ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 19 April, 2012, 09:55:17 pm
Do not restrict your energy intake for a week before a Big Ride. Carrying an extra kilo or so (How much FAT will you lose in a week? 500g?) is much easier than dragging >60kg of Dead Body over 600km...

Agreed, however it is Simon and not I that will have to drag my dead body round the BCM  ;D

I had hoped you'd survive the Brevet Cymru!

I hadn't realised you were prepared to kindly take me around the BCM if I didn't, in order to make sure I got my SR  :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 April, 2012, 10:47:35 pm
Do not restrict your energy intake for a week before a Big Ride. Carrying an extra kilo or so (How much FAT will you lose in a week? 500g?) is much easier than dragging >60kg of Dead Body over 600km...

Agreed, however it is Simon and not I that will have to drag my dead body round the BCM  ;D

I had hoped you'd survive the Brevet Cymru!

I hadn't realised you were prepared to kindly take me around the BCM if I didn't, in order to make sure I got my SR  :-*

It will be like in the Psycho movies.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 April, 2012, 02:07:04 pm
My weight has stayed around the 109-110 kg level for a more than a month now. There have been mitigating circumstances in the form of holidays and camping weekends, but I need to get back on track with some measurable loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 April, 2012, 02:25:38 pm
I’m about 1kg lighter than 12 months ago. In 2011-2012, recorded weight has ranged between 67.0kg (a few days after PBP last year) and 72.0kg (15th February - I blame Valentines curry). Only a 7% variation which is about right for in-season and out of season weight. It’s noticeable that after plateauing around 71-72kg for the early part of this year, having done The Dean and an Easter Arrow, I’ve dropped about 2kg in the last month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 April, 2012, 03:41:44 pm
My trousers seem too big. Can't work out if this is due to elastic failure or my shrinkage. Tape measure suggests I may have lost an inch from my waist and hips but trousers seem about 2 inches (or more) too loose.
I suppose that's progress.
Had big eating at weekend away in Wales last week so can't expect mahoosive loss.
Need David's help when I weigh myself and it's often not convenient for him.
Will continue...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 23 April, 2012, 12:26:54 pm
After a few days of "full Irish breakfast", one substantial three-course restaurant dinner with booze, and Sunday lunch at my parents' yesterday, also with booze, I'm up a bit over a kilo on a week ago.

Amazed the increase is so little, tbh.  :)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 April, 2012, 08:31:01 am
I've still not broken the 109 kg barrier so I've now got to try harder.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 25 April, 2012, 09:40:10 am
Two days till I head off to Berlin and I have now got back down to my pre-Austria weight (the week in Austria gave me an extra 3 kilos but those cakes were worth it!). It will be interesting to see if I lose weight on my two-week cycle tour; although I'll eat a lot, and plenty of cakes, I think pedalling 60+ miles each day with luggage might well outweigh it. We shall see!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 April, 2012, 09:58:30 am
Up, FFS!  OK, only by a minuscule amount, but that's ridiculous. >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 25 April, 2012, 10:08:46 am
A small dip under my 90kg"keep trying" incentive threshold so I'll keep trying.
I see that since I started this exercise:no pun intended: I've lost 5kg.That's encouraging considering that I've not done any dieting.More of a sensible eating strategy.
I have no doubt that the cycling is a large conrtibutor despite it not being a daily happening.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 25 April, 2012, 11:52:23 am
Was down over the weekend, but am now paying for eating enough for three on Monday.  But that's OK - I'm still closer to my target than I am to my starting weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 April, 2012, 02:28:16 pm
Stayed under 70kg today... just!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 25 April, 2012, 03:28:56 pm
It's hard to get thinner when its raining all week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 27 April, 2012, 10:03:48 pm
I wish I had room for a turbo trainer, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Roadie on 27 April, 2012, 11:07:21 pm
Seriously thinking about buying one and selling the treadmill
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 28 April, 2012, 10:50:02 pm
Prepping for a presentation to a psychobiology group on Monday. Any of you who are friends with me on MFP might have seen how much I use oats and apples. Here's why

A satiety quotient: a formulation to assess the satiating effect of food. (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fernaehrungsdenkwerkstatt.de%2Ffileadmin%2Fuser_upload%2FEDWText%2FTextElemente%2FErnaehrungswissenschaft%2FNaehrstoffe%2FSaettigungsquotient_Green_Blundell_Appetite_291_1997.pdf&ei=12OcT4ebCIni8QPW_bnYDA&usg=AFQjCNHy7CAru53Jf6gWuo5-tg5_cLpezg)

The Satiety Index List (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ernaehrungsdenkwerkstatt.de%2Ffileadmin%2Fuser_upload%2FEDWText%2FTextElemente%2FErnaehrungswissenschaft%2FNaehrstoffe%2FSaettigung_Lebensmittel_Satiety_Index.pdf&ei=12OcT4ebCIni8QPW_bnYDA&usg=AFQjCNFKwjCu02H60eM4k01A9OfmIMtdQw)

Presenting 'cos I've come up with an novel idea of how weight loss could be promoted. This lot know their arse from their elbow when it comes to eating behaviour and weight loss, so had the outline proposal not received such a warm welcome, I'd feel well out of my depth. Will be delighted if we can get some funding.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 29 April, 2012, 09:34:31 am
Prepping for a presentation to a psychobiology group on Monday. Any of you who are friends with me on MFP might have seen how much I use oats and apples. Here's why

A satiety quotient: a formulation to assess the satiating effect of food. (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fernaehrungsdenkwerkstatt.de%2Ffileadmin%2Fuser_upload%2FEDWText%2FTextElemente%2FErnaehrungswissenschaft%2FNaehrstoffe%2FSaettigungsquotient_Green_Blundell_Appetite_291_1997.pdf&ei=12OcT4ebCIni8QPW_bnYDA&usg=AFQjCNHy7CAru53Jf6gWuo5-tg5_cLpezg)

The Satiety Index List (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ernaehrungsdenkwerkstatt.de%2Ffileadmin%2Fuser_upload%2FEDWText%2FTextElemente%2FErnaehrungswissenschaft%2FNaehrstoffe%2FSaettigung_Lebensmittel_Satiety_Index.pdf&ei=12OcT4ebCIni8QPW_bnYDA&usg=AFQjCNFKwjCu02H60eM4k01A9OfmIMtdQw)

Presenting 'cos I've come up with an novel idea of how weight loss could be promoted. This lot know their arse from their elbow when it comes to eating behaviour and weight loss, so had the outline proposal not received such a warm welcome, I'd feel well out of my depth. Will be delighted if we can get some funding.

Thank you for sharing that lot  it will take some digesting,  ;>)

Good luck with the presentation.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 April, 2012, 10:01:13 am
I have been quite pleased with the last three mornings' readings. Things seem to be heading in the right direction again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 30 April, 2012, 12:48:24 pm
One of my charges had a party. The kitchen is full of things I like to eat and I'm rather tired which is a bad combination :(. I don't think my next couple of weigh ins are going to be good. :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasmine on 30 April, 2012, 01:59:32 pm
Prepping for a presentation to a psychobiology group on Monday.

I think I remember you saying you work/live in Cambridge.  Do you happen to know a Dr Pears?*  Moved from Bangor this year? Has been known to go to the gym.



* Yes, that is her real name
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 April, 2012, 03:51:03 pm
One of my charges had a party. The kitchen is full of things I like to eat and I'm rather tired which is a bad combination :(. I don't think my next couple of weigh ins are going to be good. :-[

Oh dear.  I've been awful hungry today too :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 April, 2012, 07:54:29 pm
I was 71kg last night. In a T-shirt.
I appear to be lighter than my last weigh-in.

I was 71kg last night in a T-shirt.
That's the same as last weigh-in but I seemed to pee a lot overnight so might break the 70kg morning weight barrier.
I hope.

David was 76kg. I have fed him too much! I think he was under 70kg when he moved in.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 30 April, 2012, 08:05:28 pm
Bought my partner a fitbit for birthday. Happiness is a life logger!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 01 May, 2012, 06:09:01 am
Had a good day yesterday and then fell off the wagon last night, one packet of biscuits later I am thinking that I ned to find something to do in the evenings rather than eat  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 01 May, 2012, 09:01:49 am
Geoff?! The whole packet? Maybe you should try taking one or two out the packet and then actually sellotaping them shut and leaving them in a different room, don't take them to the sofa with you.

That's if you need to buy the biscuits in the first place. The only way for me not to eat sugary rubbish is not to have it in the house. Just forget it now though, and today is a new day and new week so you can get straight back on track :)

I'm suffering big time with morning sickness and just feel generally terrible. I would have thought this would have made me lose a little bit of weight, but erm, no, apparently not.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 May, 2012, 09:43:57 am
Keeping bad stuf out the house doesn't work if you have kids.  We always have crisps, and I'm only now feeling confident about not grabbing a packet :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 01 May, 2012, 09:48:30 am
We have kids. We rarely have crisps in the house though, (I can actually leave crisps alone anyway, unlike sweet stuff), the kids are actually not interested in biscuits, so we don't have them, and if they have chocolate, its on a Friday, they eat it same day, so we don't have to have it around.

My OH eats crisps and other junky stuff (he is a natural skinny) but he tends to buy it and eat it straight away, mainly during the day at work, so I don't have his junk calling me to eat it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 01 May, 2012, 09:51:54 am
That last phrase is not one to use on yacf. I LOLed.  ;D ;D :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 May, 2012, 10:48:20 am
Kids' role is to eat the junk you buy for you, before you get a chance, leaving the healthy stuff behind.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 May, 2012, 10:50:36 am
Oatcakes do not count as junk.  But they don't last long in any house containing a TGL. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 01 May, 2012, 10:55:21 am
Simon- yes exactly!!!! What's the point of them otherwise?! ;) :)

(The amount of evenings I sort out the lunchboxes and anything vaguely sugary/yummy is eaten but the sandwich/fruit/healthiest stuff is left.......)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 01 May, 2012, 11:14:39 am
Oatcakes do not count as junk.

They are, perhaps surprisingly, quite high in calories though (they're about 20% fat).

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 May, 2012, 11:20:55 am
Oatcakes do not count as junk.

They are, perhaps surprisingly, quite high in calories though (they're about 20% fat).

d.

And salt. But oats are good for you, I tell myself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 01 May, 2012, 11:28:57 am
Prepping for a presentation to a psychobiology group on Monday. Any of you who are friends with me on MFP might have seen how much I use oats and apples. Here's why...

Great stuff, DrM! I've had a quick scan read and looks very interesting. I'll read it properly later.

I particularly like the idea of eating chocolate mousse in the name of scientific research.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 May, 2012, 11:37:42 am
Oatcakes do not count as junk.

They are, perhaps surprisingly, quite high in calories though (they're about 20% fat).

d.
Depends how you make them. I'm sure mine (though made with England's finest LARD) aren't 20% fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 01 May, 2012, 11:41:03 am
True that. Maybe I should make my own rather than buying Nairn's.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 01 May, 2012, 11:45:50 am


I'm suffering big time with morning sickness and just feel generally terrible.

that'll be the biscuits no doubt.
Congratulations :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 01 May, 2012, 11:47:20 am
LOL, thanks, but I'm more of a cake than a biscuits person ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 01 May, 2012, 11:48:38 am
Oatcakes do not count as junk. 

absolutley detrooth.
The Priest House cafe in Audley do divine oatcakes with a variety of fillings.The cheese & mushroom ones are worth the 100km ride in themselves.
Guess how I know this :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 01 May, 2012, 11:56:12 am
Oatcakes do not count as junk. 

absolutley detrooth.
The Priest House cafe in Audley do divine oatcakes with a variety of fillings.The cheese & mushroom ones are worth the 100km ride in themselves.
Guess how I know this :D

Fillings? Ah, you're talking about Staffordshire oatcakes. I was thinking of Scottish oatcakes.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 May, 2012, 11:56:30 am
Ah.  Not haverbread, though I lurv that, as you know.

I buy Nairn's, though I used to enjoy making my own (even if they were a bit crumblier)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Si_Co on 01 May, 2012, 01:22:34 pm
Oatcakes do not count as junk. 

absolutley detrooth.
The Priest House cafe in Audley do divine oatcakes with a variety of fillings.The cheese & mushroom ones are worth the 100km ride in themselves.
Guess how I know this :D

Fillings? Ah, you're talking about Staffordshire oatcakes. I was thinking of Scottish oatcakes.

d.

There's only one type of oatcake, them things north of the border are just confused biscuits
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 May, 2012, 01:36:51 pm
Oatcakes do not count as junk.

They are, perhaps surprisingly, quite high in calories though (they're about 20% fat).

d.

Top breeders recommend it because it's [thump] solid nourishment.

David likes oatcakes. I do not.
I am getting thinner.
Slowly
David is not.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 May, 2012, 01:40:16 pm
Oatcakes do not count as junk.

They are, perhaps surprisingly, quite high in calories though (they're about 20% fat).

d.
Depends how you make them. I'm sure mine (though made with England's finest LARD) aren't 20% fat.

It's unlikely that 20% of the calories don't come from fat though.
Weight percentage is not energy percentage.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 01 May, 2012, 02:50:05 pm
I actually don't really like oatcakes all that much, but I need something to put my blue stilton on! I buy them for Simon who has a definite weakness for them. He has realised here that crisps and sweets are a very temporary fixture, and the kids know all the likely crisps or Creme egg hiding places. I limit the kids intake of unhealthy stuff by generally just not having it in the house. If they are hungry then they have to snack on things like beans on toast because it's all that's there  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 01 May, 2012, 08:21:45 pm
Better day today  I have left the biscuits in the cupboard.  baked a tea bread and then did some circuit training instead. 

Thanks all for the encouragement, I am back on the wagon.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 May, 2012, 08:28:21 pm
Well done! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 May, 2012, 08:48:00 pm
I have uneaten oatcakes in the house. I’m not *that* weak.  ;D

*munch*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 02 May, 2012, 09:00:46 am
I've put back on in 4 weeks everything I lost in 4 months.

Yay!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 02 May, 2012, 09:01:23 am
Is that including the weight of the cast?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 May, 2012, 09:08:48 am
No movement.  That's about two months I've plateaued now :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 02 May, 2012, 09:13:45 am
Is that including the weight of the cast?
What cast?
They took it off. I've got a supporting splint, a hideous zip of a scar and internal metalwork.

(As well as constant pain that drugs don't alleviate and a snarky bad mood that alternates between comfort eating, pathetic wailing and vicious anger, obviously)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 02 May, 2012, 09:15:52 am
There you are then - it's the weight of all that metal. :-\

Hopefully it'll be a bit easier once you are able to do more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 02 May, 2012, 09:16:05 am
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM
 ::-)
so I've simply changed the current reading at the bottom of the page
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 02 May, 2012, 09:35:18 am
There you are then - it's the weight of all that metal. :-\
4kg of metalwork would certainly explain the reduced strength and mobilty of my hand...  ::-)
It doesn't explain the increased flab around my waist though.

bleugh. I'm not trying, I'm far too pissed off for deprivation, and any kind of exertion raises my blood pressure enough for the swelling to increase, throb, and be, generally, even more uncomfortable. I spend half my time on the trike riding with my hand raised above my head, one day a taxi is going to stop for me...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 May, 2012, 09:39:03 am
109.5kg today. At least I don't seem to be putting it back on again...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 May, 2012, 09:40:59 am
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM
 ::-)
so I've simply changed the current reading at the bottom of the page

Today is the only 2nd of the month this year which is a Wednesday. If you can find "2nd" in the chart, it goes in there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 May, 2012, 09:41:58 am
...If you can find "2nd" in the chard, ....

...then you've won a runner-up prize in the Produce Show ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 May, 2012, 09:45:58 am
...If you can find "2nd" in the chard, ....

...then you've won a runner-up prize in the Produce Show ;)

And you ought to be too busy to pick up that typo. I'd corrected it within 30 seconds!

Back to work with you!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 02 May, 2012, 09:59:05 am
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM
 ::-)
so I've simply changed the current reading at the bottom of the page

Today is the only 2nd of the month this year which is a Wednesday. If you can find "2nd" in the chart, it goes in there.

Result :thumbsup:
thanks very much Wow,I appreciate that help.
Having a gap on the table was irritating me.It's going to be a bad day for me & computers :(
see the Grumble thread
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 May, 2012, 10:03:20 am
...If you can find "2nd" in the chard, ....

...then you've won a runner-up prize in the Produce Show ;)

And you ought to be too busy to pick up that typo. I'd corrected it within 30 seconds!

Back to work with you!

But I hang on your every word! ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Simonb on 02 May, 2012, 09:23:24 pm
New scales; they read 0.5kg heavier than the old ones. Trufact!

Oh well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GrahamG on 03 May, 2012, 09:56:43 am
Man I need to sort myself out - I just can't seem to moderate my eating when the long audax rides come around, instead of losing weight I put it on! I easily have a stone to lose. Got to get disciplined..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trio25 on 07 May, 2012, 08:01:22 pm
Hmm, managed to lose nearly a stone through various means including starting back on meds. Felt good climbing. Meds have started working, side effects have gone so am now eating way too much, weight piling back on. I have no self control!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 May, 2012, 08:40:22 am
At last I've broken the 109kg barrier! And I can take my trousers off without undoing them! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 09 May, 2012, 09:02:25 am
Weird weight today - 1kg up! ::-) I haven't been that far over my calories any day, so I think it's a hormonal blip that will vanish soon. Hopefully.

Well done Wowbagger :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 09 May, 2012, 09:13:13 am
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM
 ::-)
so I've simply changed the current reading at the bottom of the page

deja vous.I can't see the previous "intuitive" pattern of the table ::-)

A 1kg increase is a reflection of a lack of riding for the past 10days so I'd best get on my bike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 09 May, 2012, 09:13:56 am
And I can take my trousers off without undoing them! :thumbsup:

that could be handy ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 May, 2012, 09:35:31 am
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM
 ::-)
so I've simply changed the current reading at the bottom of the page

deja vous.I can't see the previous "intuitive" pattern of the table ::-)

A 1kg increase is a reflection of a lack of riding for the past 10days so I'd best get on my bike

As per last week, today is the only "9th" this year which is a Wednesday. The same will apply for all Wednesdays this month. Once you get into June, there will only be one column left to fill in in the top half of the grid, so that should be able to guide you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 09 May, 2012, 11:30:25 am
A weekend of excess has left its mark - around my waist. :(

There's only one thing for it: must consume less and cycle more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 09 May, 2012, 11:33:42 am
An unusual week.  I ate a fair bit, including ice cream and barbecue stuff.  I was under my calories most days, but not by massive amounts.  I did do a FNR, but was low on miles on some other days.  Besides, I did a longer FNR last week, when I lost no weight at all.

So I wasn't expecting to lose as much as I did.  I hope I can keep it off.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 May, 2012, 11:36:41 am
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM

deja vous.I can't see the previous "intuitive" pattern of the table ::-)

In the normal viewing screen, check which row of the table you want to modify (eg today, the 9th, is in the third row [including the table headers])

In the modify screen, count the rows down the left-hand side of the page - each row starts with
. Ignore any
s.

When you've found the row you want, read across until you find the right date.

Bingo!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 09 May, 2012, 12:53:03 pm
An unusual week.  I ate a fair bit, including ice cream and barbecue stuff.  I was under my calories most days, but not by massive amounts.  I did do a FNR, but was low on miles on some other days.  Besides, I did a longer FNR last week, when I lost no weight at all.

So I wasn't expecting to lose as much as I did.  I hope I can keep it off.

I think I've found the kilo you lost! :D

You can have it back next week :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 09 May, 2012, 01:03:32 pm
So in aggregate, we are the same.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 09 May, 2012, 02:06:38 pm
Right I'm starting again after messing around for a month and regaining weight I'd lost
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 09 May, 2012, 06:50:51 pm


As per last week, today is the only "9th" this year which is a Wednesday. The same will apply for all Wednesdays this month. Once you get into June, there will only be one column left to fill in in the top half of the grid, so that should be able to guide you.

I did look for it this morning but being time-poor I only had a quick scan.
I've found it now.
Thanks again Wow.. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 10 May, 2012, 06:30:15 am
Up a bit recently but I can put it down to my spending some time with the weights doing circuits.  Hopefully the extra muscle will start burning calories soon and the weight melt off me   ;)

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 11 May, 2012, 10:18:19 am
Keep going Geoff.

Well, *sigh* I'm back in here. Been really quite ill this week, I'm ok, but not really wanting to go into it much.

End result is, here I am with about 4-5lbs I'd like to lose and then see from there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 11 May, 2012, 12:12:52 pm
Oh dear :( Hope you're OK LadyC.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 May, 2012, 12:50:45 pm
Oh dear :( Hope you're OK LadyC.

+1

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 May, 2012, 12:55:26 pm
GWS, Lady Cavendish!

Having broken the 109kg barrier this week, I've also broken the 108kg barrier!

This morning my weight was anything between 107.4 and 108.6.

I have steadfastly refused to give in the to gluttonous tendencies resulting from 4 days' cycle camping.

Meanwhile, it's lunch time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 11 May, 2012, 02:31:29 pm
Yep am ok. Some things just don't work out.....

I'm a bit worried about what's going to happen in a fortnight when I'm in plaster for 3 weeks. Not sure whether its possible to lose any weight dring that time, or whether I should be focusing on maintaining. I'm about 3 lbs lighter than when I was 'dieting' a couple of months ago, and I'm more focused on it now, probably in panic about having 3 weeks of nothing!!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2012, 05:33:32 pm
Well, this week's weigh-in showed 70.6kg mass but body fat down to 14.5%. Possibly the mass increase is down to water retained in Brevet Cymru-damaged muscles, which would also show as a drop in body fat %. Have been eating well this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 11 May, 2012, 06:13:40 pm
Anyone got one of those fancy WiFi graphing scales? I'm thinking of getting the FitBit Aria when it comes out next month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 11 May, 2012, 07:48:33 pm
Oh dear :( Hope you're OK LadyC.

+1
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Clare on 12 May, 2012, 08:24:16 am
Sending you healing vibes LadyC.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 12 May, 2012, 10:19:06 am
Thanks for the well wishes. It wasn't a planned pregnancy, with a 12 and 9 year old we are past the sleepless nights lol but it doesn't really make it much easier.

For those on MFP, do you stick to your calories on a rest day or 'borrow' from other days. I rarely ever have any rest data but am having one today. MFP gives me 1200 on those days and I really struggle to stick to that, especially as with a 200k tomorrow I feel I need a decent dinner. I always end up about 1500+ green on 200k days, earning myself 350 cals an hour cycling, so should really 'borrow' some of those for today, but just hate seeing MFP red!!! What do others do? In the week, I am normally 800 green on MFP (in theory, deficit of 1200 a day) but it seems that's where I need to be to lose weight!!! (eat 1800-1900, MFP gives me 2600-2700 for a normal day with exercise)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 12 May, 2012, 10:19:50 am
Rest data = rest days- stupid autocorrect!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 May, 2012, 10:35:38 am
Look after yourself LadyC.

On the rest day thing, I try to average it out rather than eat loads on hard days and virtually nothing on easy ones.

If riding a 200k then I tend to have a large deficit and will go into the red a bit on following days so that my average calorie intake is around on target.

Last week was a 400k; I was 7500 calories under overall and this week I will be about 4000 over to mostly compensate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 May, 2012, 12:07:06 pm
MFP has a rather good graph - perhaps only on the Android app come to think of it - which averages out your weekly In/Out to show an overall net. I found this useful for smoothing out audax days (deeply negative) and chocolate binges (impressively over).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 May, 2012, 12:11:30 pm
Same thing on the iOS app. The average for the week is useful to smooth it out.

Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 May, 2012, 12:15:00 pm
Bear in mind that your daily calorie allowance is adjusted for your weight loss target, ie a large (in your case) calorie deficit.

The day before an audax, I would be aiming for maintenance level at the very least, if not a calorie surplus (aka carb loading).

As Chris says, audaxing entails a massive calorie burn, so you need to have the calories to burn before you start (and/or keep them topped up while you ride). Not a good idea to start with a calorie deficit.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 12 May, 2012, 12:18:18 pm
I have the app on the phone so I like the graph but my weekly total is usually close to a 10,000 deficit (plus the 3500 it is set to for 1lb loss a week)- so total deficit 13,500 which is what it usually takes for a pound to come off me.  The graph doesn't help me all that much as it's green anyway if that makes sense!! I just need to get my head around it being red on a rest day. I don't like red hence no usual rest days but I just need one today.

I need to get over this red thing!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 12 May, 2012, 12:19:38 pm
Citoyen, I never do the carb load thing, I never find I need it. I just eat a decent dinner....
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 May, 2012, 12:20:36 pm
Yes, you need to get over it. Not healthy to get too obsessive. And a rest will be very good for you, especially after recent emotional/physical/hormonal turmoil.

d.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 May, 2012, 12:22:10 pm
Citoyen, I never do the carb load thing, I never find I need it. I just eat a decent dinner....

Yeah, I find that since I've got fitter and leaner, I don't need to carb-load so much, but maintenance level ("a decent dinner") is always good the day before an audax.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 May, 2012, 12:34:57 pm
I don’t care about the red thing. The average at the end of the week is the important one, and the weight. Last 3 weeks graphs:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7181270542_4d0df78e66_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/7181270542/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/7181270542/) by SimonP2006 (http://www.flickr.com/people/27424426@N00/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5156/7181257718_09eea9e4cc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/7181257718/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/7181257718/) by SimonP2006 (http://www.flickr.com/people/27424426@N00/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7103/7181258238_f789411228_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/7181258238/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/7181258238/) by SimonP2006 (http://www.flickr.com/people/27424426@N00/), on Flickr

And last 3 months’ weights, recorded most days:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7238/7181272102_4c2e49d19f_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/7181272102/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/7181272102/) by SimonP2006 (http://www.flickr.com/people/27424426@N00/), on Flickr


Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 May, 2012, 12:43:32 pm
total deficit 13,500 which is what it usually takes for a pound to come off me.  The graph doesn't help me all that much as it's green anyway if that makes sense!!

Yes, the greenness of the graph makes sense if you're on a weekly deficit of 13,500 calories, but that large a deficit doesn't make sense. Clearly you're not actually burning that many calories, so either you're overestimating your exercise or underestimating your food. Might be worth trying to fine tune your inputs? Surely a more accurate figure would be more useful?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 12 May, 2012, 12:50:01 pm
Citoyen I just find it almost impossible to lose any.

I log every single thing I put in v v v carefully. I weigh things to make sure they are accurate.

I give myself 350 an hour for cycling (reasonably hard)
300 an hour for audax
200 for body pump classes and spinning classes

I must surely burn more than that in pump and spin but don't want to overestimate, would rather underestimate

And on that basis, it takes a 13500 deficit before I see the scale go down a pound. I envy people who drop one on the usual 3500, that simply does not work for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 May, 2012, 12:57:59 pm
I'm amazed anyone can survive on a weekly deficit of 13,500 Calories; that's starvation!
My weight loss might be slow but I can't exercise and need to eat something.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 12 May, 2012, 01:24:40 pm
It does feel like starvation sometimes. 1800-1900 calories plus an ave of 5-6 hours exercise a day. But that's what it takes.

One of 2 things has screwed up my metabolism I think, a severe eating disorder many years ago, or all the cancer drugs I had for a few years until last year. I think steroids mess with it don't they. Anyway, it is what it is and I can't stuff my face and get away with it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 May, 2012, 04:46:42 pm
Simon, you need to charge your phone :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 13 May, 2012, 06:42:23 am
Hurrah, lost a kilo on my cycle tour despite eating large quantities of cake.

Only 500g to go and I am under 90kg for the first time in a few years!
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Roadie on 13 May, 2012, 08:45:41 am
I've signed up to "my fitness pal" - I can see myself being a calorie counter for the 1st time in my life ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 13 May, 2012, 09:25:08 am
I too have joined My Fitness Pal (as SteveCunio).
Having entered a couple of days worth of stuff, I wonder why I am not back up at 17 stone!

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 16 May, 2012, 12:40:14 am
2 months ago, a tear in the rotator cuff + excessive working hours (80 hours+ per week), saw me going from working out 4-6 times per week and eating mostly healthy to sitting at a desk for 12-14 hours a day, eating crap food and because I was feeling sorry for myself, lots of snacks, etc.
End result: 6kgs up in 2 months. I saw it coming about 3-4 weeks ago, but it's taken me this long to get the eating under control and I'm now back in the gym again.
They're running, what they call a 'Nutrition Challenge' starting from the 28th, where it's 21 days of either strict Paleo or Zone diet. I've combined that with a new intense training schedule, so the aim is to get rid of at least 4 of the 6kgs before the end of June.
I've done the Paleo a couple of times before, but I want maximum results this time, so I will go on a Zone diet and I know it's gonna suck...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on 16 May, 2012, 12:49:42 am
Hmm. Dropped out of this thread about 3 stone ago.

There's an app!

Goes off to download My Fitness Pa!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 May, 2012, 09:07:21 am
Is that for your dad? ;D

I've put weight on this week.  Not surprising, as I'd lost a kilo last week, which was a bit much, but that's now half a kilo over a fortnight, which is less good :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 16 May, 2012, 09:12:04 am
I've stayed the same. Kind of ok with that as everything has been a bit all over the place in the last week, and I'd lost a kilo the week before. I've managed to train as normal all week even though I've not been feeling too great, TT times have only been 20 seconds or so down which is ok as its been windy anyway. I've done a pretty good job of not comfort eating, but that's taken a lot of willpower. I wish I was someone that lost their appetite during traumatic times rather than want to eat junk!!

Now everything is back on track I can see where I'm at. Got a wedding to get through on Friday, will try and not eat rubbish at it, but hopefully riding 200 miles over the weekend at the London Revolution will undo any damage.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 16 May, 2012, 10:16:17 am
Gained half a kilo this last week :(
Them chocolate digestive & rich tea biscuits & vanilla slices are heavy aren't they ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 May, 2012, 10:26:57 am
I have high hopes that Katy-The-Kruel will give me permission to do stuff when I see her tomorrow, which may halt the current slide.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 16 May, 2012, 10:32:28 am
Fingers crossed fboab :)

Hav my phone pre-op this afternoon. Hoping to find out how long I'll need to be off the bike for. I'm praying this is 3 weeks max or I'll get fat :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 May, 2012, 01:55:05 pm
Still 71kg last night but lost a fair bit overnight.
Trousers seem even looser.
Slow but sure.
Will have to shrink portions, having given up: toast in mornings, most between meal snacks, CAIK, most biscuits.
Not going to give up my Tiny Chocolate Treats though.
I have standards!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 16 May, 2012, 02:45:45 pm
Down 1.5kg from last Wednesday, but TBH I was down 0.75kg the following day.  Hopefully the downward trend continues.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 May, 2012, 06:28:21 pm
I was up on last week but still below 109kg.

I did have 3 pints of beer last night, which was certainly a mistake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 16 May, 2012, 07:33:48 pm
Half a kilo up for me  >:( seven consecutive weekends of Audax have not helped my weight loss plans, 6x200k + 1x300k plus commuting have led me to just about having a nosebag tied around me to keep me going  :P thank goodness my next event's not for another 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 17 May, 2012, 07:23:30 am
Well. It's not a recommended approach, but I'm 3Kg lighter today than I was yesterday.  :sick:

Pass the bucket...  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 May, 2012, 07:28:46 am
It's mostly fluid. Keep drinking the tea. Sorry.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 17 May, 2012, 09:21:55 am
Bad Thing.

GWS, Chris.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 17 May, 2012, 09:48:34 am
And most people worry about gaining weight when they eat eggs... ;-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 17 May, 2012, 10:25:39 am
I seem to be just about maintaining my current weight despite the temptations and lack of exercise caused by living in a hotel half the week. Really must look at the gym in the usual hotel, but I've never been in a gym (not since leaving school in 1977 and I think they've changed a bit since). Any advice?

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 17 May, 2012, 10:32:28 am
I'm a big gym bunny :) Definitely worth a play in there- do they not have an instructor around that can do you a programme or something? Most hotel gyms do.

I don't do any cardio in the gym, I use my bike for that, although I do spinning classes most days- can't bring myself to sit on the machines on my own I get bored but spinning is more fun. Having said that, I use a treadmill all the time for interval sessions when I'm running.

Still a bit down in the dumps, avoided the comfort eating so far, and actually got told I was looking skinny  :o this morning.

GWS soon Chris. That's not the way to lose 3kg!!! Hope u recover well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 May, 2012, 11:06:07 am
I seem to be just about maintaining my current weight despite the temptations and lack of exercise caused by living in a hotel half the week. Really must look at the gym in the usual hotel, but I've never been in a gym (not since leaving school in 1977 and I think they've changed a bit since). Any advice?

I can't remember where but I recently heard a very funny comedy routine about school gym "apparatus". Brought back many happy memories. I think you'll find the modern hotel gym a slightly different experience.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 May, 2012, 07:52:37 am
Yesterday's 69 miles seem to have helped. Today the scales claimed that I was under 108kg for some of the time, and that equates to something under 17 stones. That's just a gnat's crotchet short of 2 stones lost this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 18 May, 2012, 02:07:38 pm
Very well done Mr Wow! You were indeed looking rather trim when I saw you at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 May, 2012, 02:31:36 pm
66.9kg today. Well that will help us over Pen-y-pass.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 21 May, 2012, 11:05:51 am
Monday morning bonk?!?  :o

Cycled the short route in to work, but then went to the gym.  We changed our corporate membership to a different chain last week, so decided to use the opportunity to use the place for more than just the showers and locker space.  I may be able to ride my bike all day long, but that's about it!  I quickly proved to the trainer that I am NOT a runner.  Even at 8kph I had all the grace and fluidity of movement of a new-born giraffe.  A kilometre on a rowing machine (100m sprints), 50 'burpies' and all sorts of other fun left me a wet, out of breath and nearly quivering wreck.  I'll be doing it again on Wednesday. :)

In the locker room I started to feel a bit funny, then realised it was the dreaded bonk.  I usually don't have anything more than a cup of coffee until I get to work, but I may have to supplement this with a glass of OJ and maybe a granola bar.  The commute on an empty stomach is no problem, but I think adding a gym session on empty may not work out.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 21 May, 2012, 11:08:24 am
Someone hand me my mojo!

I haven't been logging for a month due to Berlin to London cycle ride and then wanting to settle back in gently after returning to the UK. I am the weight I was before I left for Berlin despite eating rather a lot of biscuits, chocolate and crisps this last week. When you're touring and can eat pretty much anything all day and not put on weight it's really hard to go back.

Anyway, I have started logging this morning again. 1660 calories seems so few! I will go out on the trike later of course but still... 1660? That's hardly anything!

I was doing really well with MFP before trotting off on my various trips, I just need to get back into the swing of it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 23 May, 2012, 08:41:29 am
Andrijj- it might take a bit of getting used to but best to have a cereal bar or something just in case. I now do 2.5-3 hours on empty before breakfast but it took a while to get to that.

Down 1lb for the week. I'm back to 8 stone 13 now which is where I wanted to be before my operation on Friday. Must. Not. Eat. Too. Much. Whilst. Not. Doing. Much. Exercise.

(Hoping I can still get to the gym and maybe do handbike or weights or something with a plastered leg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 23 May, 2012, 08:57:13 am
No worries about the bonk this morning - didn't use the gym.  Not laziness or tiredness, but soreness.  Legs felt sore from Tuesday morning but aren't a problem.  Last evening my lats started to feel sore.  Not quite 'ouch!' moments, but quite uncomfortable.  Hopefully things are better tomorrow.

As for weight, I'm up 1.8kg from last week.  Long hours lead to poor eating lead to ballooning. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trixie on 23 May, 2012, 09:07:11 am
I'm up 2kg from my 'almost at target' point.

I'm turning away from MFP because it seems to be part of the problem.  At first it was helpful and fun to use, but I soon found it stressful trying to avoid red numbers shout at me from the bottom of my daily intake - and desperately trying to get back into green by doing some last minute exercise.

So back to the simple paper and pen food diary...phew..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 23 May, 2012, 09:18:37 am
Considering all the Arch's slices & Lemon Meringue that I've scoffed since last Wednesday, a static weight could be regarded as acceptable,maybe.
Less food :more cycling seems to be a mantra not within grasp atm.
KCCO
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 May, 2012, 09:29:43 am
Down just over half a kg on the week, which is within the margins of error of the scales. However, that's a lot better than being up just over half a kg on the week, which would also be within the margin of error of the scales. Those margins of error keep mounting up. I just wish they'd mount up a bit ore quickly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 23 May, 2012, 09:47:22 am
Just realised there's no 30 May.  I'll have to see if I can bodge one in on the chart. :-[

Weight up again this week, but I'm happy that things are going reasonably well.  I've ridden a lot this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 May, 2012, 10:58:50 am
Just realised there's no 30 May.  I'll have to see if I can bodge one in on the chart. :-[

Weight up again this week, but I'm happy that things are going reasonably well.  I've ridden a lot this week.

Well, there is a 30th May, it's just that it appears under 27th June!

You will need either to cut and past 30th from the last [ td][/td ] on the line to the penultimate one, or you could copy my line in which it appears and overwrite yours.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 23 May, 2012, 11:02:47 am
Ta.  Hadn't noticed that was there.  Just needed a minor Codectomy to resolve.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 23 May, 2012, 11:32:16 am
Just realised there's no 30 May.  I'll have to see if I can bodge one in on the chart. :-[

Weight up again this week, but I'm happy that things are going reasonably well.  I've ridden a lot this week.

Well, there is a 30th May, it's just that it appears under 27th June!

You will need either to cut and past 30th from the last [ td][/td ] on the line to the penultimate one, or you could copy my line in which it appears and overwrite yours.

with my predilection for ITI I'll probably skip that week ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 23 May, 2012, 12:39:18 pm
I'm not sure if I should even put my weight in the chart this week, I am 3kg up on last week but I am suffering from a post-Bryan Chapman leg swelling of epic proportions so it will probably all be gone by next week!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 23 May, 2012, 04:26:33 pm
I'm not sure if I should even put my weight in the chart this week, I am 3kg up on last week but I am suffering from a post-Bryan Chapman leg swelling of epic proportions so it will probably all be gone by next week!
Put it up, then next week will look great!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2012, 11:39:45 pm
I have updated the graphs. I had to work around a problem with GlasgowJim’s table, I’ve modified the script by making it avoid adding a weight if there is an IndexError generated by a malformed weights table.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 May, 2012, 02:43:31 pm
A company have moved in to the same floor as us, other side of the building. They've had months of work kitting out their offices, so to apologise for the disruption (which was fairly limited, though there was quite a lot of drilling noise) they brought us four *huge* cakes. Chocolate, some kind of butterscotch sponge cake, tiramisu, and an exotic fruit sponge (sponge cake with fruit on top).

I just had some of the butterscotchy one. I now get comfort eating. Missed out on the tiramisu, it's all gone. Might have a second piece of the exotic fruit cake later. And then an extended ride home to burn it off. Best cake I've ever had. Though, the exotic fruit one is encased in a wall of chocolate, and tbh that was a bit much for me.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 May, 2012, 03:27:24 pm
Mostly the scales said 108.3 this morning. However, there was one glitch below the 108kg mark.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 25 May, 2012, 04:30:45 pm
OK, I'm peeved, I seem to have got fit on my bike tour.

What this translates to is that my heart rate is much lower for my normal cycle rides.

What this means is I burn far fewer calories.

An example. Today I did my a trip to Manningtree. It was 14.93 miles and I did it in 1 hour 24 mins at an average of 10.7mph (pootling as I was listening to a talking book whilst cycling - earbud only in one ear, I hasten to add). My HRM and Ascent between them tell me I burned off 370 calories which is miserly - average HR 103, max 124.

On 14 April I did a similar route to Manningtree (slightly shorter, thus 13.71 miles). I did this at an average speed of 10.3mph (it took me 1 hour 20 mins and 3 seconds). However my average heart rate was 129 and my max 157. I burned 570 calories.

This has been happening since I got back from Germany and means I'm not burning as many calories so I can't eat as much on MFP. Argh!!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 May, 2012, 04:41:25 pm
Or maybe the number of calories burned is unchanged, but the estimate is now less accurate, due to increased fitness. Don't the HRMs have a fitness rating to adjust for this effect?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 May, 2012, 06:05:42 pm
But if AH now has more muscle mass, will she not be burning more calories by just sitting and doing nothing?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 25 May, 2012, 06:39:58 pm
But if AH now has more muscle mass, will she not be burning more calories by just sitting and doing nothing?

That is my cunning plan for this week. I hope my damaged muscles are nice and metabolically active on my behalf as I sit on the sofa recovering  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 25 May, 2012, 08:57:14 pm
Bodies supposedly unfortunately become more efficient as we get fitter, so less calories are burnt. Most annoying!!

I don't have to worry about it currently as I'm sat on the sofa in plaster up to my knee *sigh*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 May, 2012, 09:43:19 am
Another day when the scales are claiming that I'm below 108kg. I'll start to believe them soon if this keeps up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 26 May, 2012, 10:51:58 am
Up a kg this week.  The temptations of hotel and pub food are difficult to resist for ever.
But, I am now over half way through this secondment and at least one of the weeks to come will be home based (the Jubilee week), so I should get back on the bike a bit more.

I have however just applied for a new (internal) job which will involve more travelling  :facepalm:
This may be an excuse for n+1  :thumbsup: I could leave a bike at each of our sites and get out for a lunchtime ride wherever I end up!

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 May, 2012, 06:11:20 pm
Don't the HRMs have a fitness rating to adjust for this effect?

Yes. Mine does.

On MFP, I tend to "round down" to the speed bracket below my actual speed (eg if I rode at 17mph, record it as 14-16mph on MFP). Funnily enough, this seems to give a similar figure to my HRM in most cases. And given that my weight change patterns seem to be reasonably closely in line with what MFP predicts, that suggests I'm getting fairly accurate figures from both MFP and my HRM.

It may be affected by other factors, though, and may not work out the same for everyone.

Auntie H, the way I see it, you have three options:

1. Ride faster. This is what I've been doing. Although this might spoil your enjoyment of your talking book.

2. Ride up some big hills. Hmmm... you live in Norfolk, don't you?

3. Ride a heavier bike at the same speed. Or carry a brick or two in your panniers.

Another option is to vary your exercise regime - I've started doing a bit of running because although I'm "cycling fit", I'm definitely not "running fit", so I reckon I get more exercise benefit from running.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 29 May, 2012, 12:29:22 pm
14st 8lb this morning. Very nearly 3st down from the beginning of Sept last year  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 May, 2012, 12:34:14 pm
67.6kg this morning. That's 10 stone 9.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 30 May, 2012, 06:12:30 am
Cracked the 100 kg barrier this week 99.2kg

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 May, 2012, 07:28:42 am
Well done! I'm still about 9kg behind you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 30 May, 2012, 08:44:33 am
Cracked the 100 kg barrier this week 99.2kg

Geoff
Well done!

For those of us with a lot to lose, keeping going in the face of little change can be very demoralising.
It's great that you've kept on and now have the success to reward your persistence.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 30 May, 2012, 09:40:25 am
Heading in the right direction again, but I will miss my target (hit a certain weight by June).  Can't imagine any that way to shed 4kg in 48hr would be healthy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 May, 2012, 09:48:25 am
108 exactly this morning, amongst a load of other readings which we'll gloss over.

Another glitch in the right direction!

However, I won't weigh in again for a fortnight, before which I have a load of Scottish breakfasts to consume. Let's hope the damage isn't too extensive.

Regarding targets, I was down to reach 100kg by the Dun Run. With 8kg to go in just over 4 weeks, that won't happen. Nutkin's going to be my stoker. I don't think it's fair to ask her to lose all that weight.  :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 May, 2012, 09:53:36 am
Back on track (I think)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 30 May, 2012, 01:15:53 pm
Cracked the 100 kg barrier this week 99.2kg

Well done!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 May, 2012, 01:34:06 pm
Cracked the 100 kg barrier this week 99.2kg

Geoff

Hey, well done!  That's a very important milestone. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bledlow on 30 May, 2012, 01:41:35 pm
I've lost 6kg in the last year. I've eaten & drunk whatever I felt like - but that means not stuffing myself silly. I've probably eaten more than in the previous year, when I put on 2 or 3kg. The difference has been entirely in the amount of exercise.

A year ago, I was just starting to cycle again after a year in which illness had severely limited my exercise. I was also walking reasonable distances again. For a while, I'd had to stop & rest part way on the one mile walk into town.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 May, 2012, 01:48:51 pm
I have not weighed myself again as I need help from David who's been busy.
I doubt there's much/any loss anyway though I eat little at meals and next to nothing between them. I still think I'm OK for someone who can't move.
I'm comfortably wearing smaller trousers today anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 30 May, 2012, 03:24:51 pm
Helly, I am really really impressed by your success! Any weight I've lost has been through cycling further and faster. The fact that you are managing whilst stationary is amazing. Well done!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 May, 2012, 03:29:26 pm
 :) :) :)

A BMI of 25.5 is no disaster anyway.
23 would be nice but there *is* more to life.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 30 May, 2012, 03:41:32 pm
Very well done everyone on some good losses in here :)

I am trying my best but its hard. I'm only doing an hour a day in the gym at the mo on the handbike and upper body/core weights so have dropped intake to 1200. My scales don't seem to cope with me balancing on 1 leg on them either, they give inconsistent readings, and I'm not too sure how much my cast weighs, I think its about 3-4lbs but its hard to tell. I'm just trying to maintain for 2 weeks until I can get back to more exercise as even on 1200 calories I put on weight even with the gym hour.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 31 May, 2012, 01:31:18 am
So, had bodyfat measurement last week and it was at 25% :(. That's *up* almost 7% in 3 months.  Unfortunately, it sounds about right. Up 6 kgs in weight + almost 3 months of doing nothing does mount up to about a 7% fat gain.
The reason for the measurement was that we're starting a '21 day' nutrition challenge at our Crossfit gym, so starting Saturday, I've been on a Paleo-ish Zone-diet.
As I had turned the corner somewhat already with my general diet, I'm a promising 1kg down already (from last week, not Saturday) and I hope to get rid of at least 4% fat.
Would love to hit 83kg by end of July. (Currently 91kg).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 May, 2012, 02:04:07 pm
Still 71kg but ankles were ballooned out (that's my excuse)...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 01 June, 2012, 09:49:55 am
Since I started back on my fitness and weight loss plan last week I have managed to lose 3.6kg – I was quite lardy at the start so I expect that amount of loss is a one off blip (and a bit of socialising over the long weekend will probably claw a bit of that back). 

I haven’t really done all that much either – I have tried to eat and drink a little less than my usual excessive amount but haven’t exactly been starving myself.  I have managed a commuting full house the last two weeks and have had breakfast before leaving the house every morning and those seem to have made the difference.

I’ve got a new way of visualising the weight loss too; last night while shopping I loaded up a shopping basket with 3.6kg of cheese, just to see what it represented.  3.5kg of cheese looks like quite a lot.  Looking forward to when I need a shopping trolley to put it all in! 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 01 June, 2012, 01:18:14 pm

I’ve got a new way of visualising the weight loss too; last night while shopping I loaded up a shopping basket with 3.6kg of cheese, just to see what it represented.  3.5kg of cheese looks like quite a lot.  Looking forward to when I need a shopping trolley to put it all in!

That could all go horribly wrong if you then buy and eat the 3.5kg of cheese!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 01 June, 2012, 03:41:20 pm
LOL Feline.

Right. I'm fed up. Ive dropped down to 1100-1200 a day and I feel like I have no control over the scales, still put a pound on this week. I'm totally missing my exercise endorphins- the only thing I've ben able to do is armbike and arm weights/core in the gym- and I haven't quite managed it every day as I am reliant on lifts as I can't drive. Can anyone think of anything else I can do, either exercise or food wise because I'm getting really depressed. I need those endorphins back!! After today, I'm going away for the long weekend and won't be able to get back to the gym until Weds :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 June, 2012, 04:37:50 pm
I can't do much either, Lady Cav. Still. First trip on a real bike today, so I'm hoping that's the beginning of the end.

I've no advice or recommendations. I've just despaired, eaten, been bored and fed up, mostly.
Hopefully it won't last too long.
Sympathies.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 03 June, 2012, 10:05:43 am
Up 1.6 kg today after yesterdays 200k audax and I do not think that I over fed.  so it could be liquid going into the muscles to help with the repair process drank 4 li + tea and passed not a lot, and very dry this morning, 1/2 li water first thing before even tea.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 June, 2012, 10:09:02 am
When I ride long events my weight fluctuates. Last three days, cycling only a couple of hours each day, it's been within 0.1kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 06 June, 2012, 06:13:31 am
Up 1.6 kg today after yesterdays 200k audax and I do not think that I over fed.  so it could be liquid going into the muscles to help with the repair process drank 4 li + tea and passed not a lot, and very dry this morning, 1/2 li water first thing before even tea.

Geoff

Looks like the water retention is now passing a I am down, almost to Friday's weight.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 06 June, 2012, 09:19:24 am
That last 100km ride I did has added 0.5kg.Something not right about that ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 June, 2012, 09:20:57 am
Significantly down.  Unsurprising, given the distance ridden in the last week, but I may be a bit dehydrated, so I'm not getting too excited just yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 June, 2012, 11:01:55 am
Significantly down, and I am getting excited.

Back on the wagon, and I'm back where I started.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 June, 2012, 11:16:13 am
Excellent news. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 06 June, 2012, 02:44:37 pm
magic combination today - the 6th of the 6th my weight is 66.6
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 06 June, 2012, 02:54:43 pm
He is the devil :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 06 June, 2012, 03:44:46 pm
magic combination today - the 6th of the 6th my weight is 66.6

also just noticed, we are on page 66 of this thread (with my settings, that is)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 June, 2012, 03:47:27 pm
Up 1kg yesterday, down 1kg today. Crap timing, as ever.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 09 June, 2012, 03:45:41 am
3kgs down in 2 weeks. Gonna try to get rid of another 2kg in the next 12 days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 09 June, 2012, 08:53:20 am
Grumpypants reporting in.

0.2 lbs less today than morning of my op- had plaster off yesterday. I was now supposed to be able to do a bit of cycling, drive again and wear my own shoes. It's not gone as well as planned tho and I've lost a lot of feeling in my foot where nerves have been moved and they need to regrow it's still horribly black and swollen and when I saw it yesterday for 1st time with all the stitches and blood that was still on there I fainted haha!!! Couldn't believe how horrid it looks.

So instead of being free, I have 4-6 weeks in a stupid airboot thing, no driving, no fun, no nothing. I'm not going to handle this well at all. And I'm going to get fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 09 June, 2012, 11:05:37 am
Don't worry about it. You don't get fat in 6 weeks. Even I can only put on a stone or so in that time and I would live on chocolate and ice cream, left to my own devices. It won't take long to go when you are back to normal. Enjoy the rest and give yourself time to heal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 09 June, 2012, 05:27:22 pm
I've put on 5kg since I broke my wrist. Just saying.

To be fair, I haven't been trying very hard to keep it off- I've been feeding my misery.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 10 June, 2012, 05:56:52 am
Don't worry about it. You don't get fat in 6 weeks. Even I can only put on a stone or so in that time and I would live on chocolate and ice cream, left to my own devices. It won't take long to go when you are back to normal. Enjoy the rest and give yourself time to heal.

I almost did!. I went from working out 5+ days a week, eating healthy and then a combination of shoulder injury + excessive overtime at work, saw me doing nothing but sitting at a desk and eating loads of comfort food. Result: +6kg in 2 months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 10 June, 2012, 10:35:14 am
I'm 0.5kg lighter this morning than last Wednesday.I reckon it's due to yesterday's acquisition of 1.75 AAA points.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 June, 2012, 05:36:47 pm
David said I was getting 'a bit thin' today.
Still don't know my weight.
Holidaying in the Wet Country anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 11 June, 2012, 07:07:49 pm
I'm 0.5kg lighter this morning than yesterday.Last night I slept in a bivvy bag beneath a tarp.Is there a connection?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 June, 2012, 07:26:19 pm
I'm 0.5kg lighter this morning than yesterday.Last night I slept in a bivvy bag beneath a tarp.Is there a connection?

Probably.
You may have peed more if you were cooler. The blood vessels serving the chilly parts may have constricted and returned an extra pint of blood to the circulation.
Your kidneys would then dump excess volume the usual way...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 June, 2012, 08:27:54 am
Well, all that black pudding, porridge and beer has taken its toll. Up 3.8kg on two weeks ago.

Back to the regime again today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 June, 2012, 11:16:33 am
Had a bad day yesterday, so a small blip. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 13 June, 2012, 11:29:41 am
Still dropping down slowly here, 14st1lb this morning.
I now have nearly the weight of a sack of potatoes gone since last Sept  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 13 June, 2012, 02:06:50 pm
Having lost a kg in a week it's become clear that my new routine needs to be...

each Saturday ride 130km including 1800 metres of climbing
spend two nights a week in a sleeping bag/tarp combo underneath a tarp.

So,another 21 day E2E,this time  LEJoG & cycle camping,should get me down to target weight at the Crask Inn.
 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 June, 2012, 08:13:46 am
Down 1.1kg on yesterday! ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 June, 2012, 08:06:26 am
Pleased to have lost weight this week, as we had friends staying with us for several days and that involved buying all kinds of diet-busting food like chocolate biscuits and beer. I have still failed to meet my June target by about 10kg, although I think that I can console myself that, after six months, I am still trying and logging my weight each week. That has never happened before.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 20 June, 2012, 08:51:11 am
after six months, I am still trying and logging my weight each week. That has never happened before.

I too am suprised that I have persevered without the desired steady weight loss that would normally be my incentive to continue

keep on keeping on Wow :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 20 June, 2012, 09:04:54 am
21 days of zone-ish, paleo-ish diet, I'm down 2kg, after an initial loss of 3kg after 2 weeks....but, I'm down 3.6% body fat, which is actually a 4kg fat loss (and 2 kg muscle gain).
Last week was tough to keep it up, as work got really busy again and I did not have time to weigh and prep food and had to rely on take-outs, where even the salads are often heavy on feta-cheese and dressings. (And low on protein)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 June, 2012, 09:46:13 am
Plateaued again. :(

But I can reassure myself that it's better to plateau at 86kg than it is at 93 or 100, where I got stuck previously.

I will keep going, and I hope I can get shifting again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 20 June, 2012, 09:52:41 am
Wow & Clarion, you should both congratulate yourself on your progress so far. No one ever said it was going to be easy, but having the willpower to stick at it is half the battle...

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 June, 2012, 10:01:54 am
Well, at my heaviest I was 116kg, so I've lost almost 30kg, and am the lightest I have ever been as an adult.  But I'm sure I can do better.  I was hoping to be past 85kg and on my way to 80kg by the middle of the year. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 June, 2012, 10:04:10 am
In my case I reckon I'm about 2kg down on my October weight. It's just that we had that Woolly & Peli staying with us for a couple of months, you see, and Waitrose kept on selling Jarlsberg and beer at ridiculously low prices, and that Woolly has this recipe for absolutely disgusting ice cream...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 20 June, 2012, 10:32:30 am
I stopped counting before my German tour (the end of April onwards) and haven't really started again due to lots of hols etc.

I probably should as I've sneaked another kg on, although that's not bad considering how much Toblerone I've been eating. I find the better weather means I do more riding and burn more calories but I seem to find I have two modes:

1. Calorie counting, eating exactly what I should and feeling great with it
2. Not calorie counting, eating exactly what I want all the time

I wish I could find a happy medium!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 June, 2012, 12:37:42 pm
Arranged food for ~200 head Cyclists' Breakfast.
Escaped from bed hours before partner awoke.
Ate some (too many) goodies at Breakfast... http://camdencyclists.org.uk/rides/fairs/breakfast0612a (http://camdencyclists.org.uk/rides/fairs/breakfast0612a)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 20 June, 2012, 03:04:41 pm
Down 1lb. BMI is now 20.5 and as I'm quite muscly I don't think there is loads more to come off, I think I still want about another 5-6lbs but not too worried about it until I'm running again.

Foot still in stupid roboboot thing for another 4 weeks but I can change it for a cycling shoe so am riding- haven't done any long rides yet but am in for a 100 mile event on Sunday so will see what happens. I'm not allowed to do any time trials :( (or drive grrrr)

But its good I can do something :)

Only bad thing is I'm going to have to take some drugs that are supposed to make me put on weight. I'm going to have to be careful not to overeat when my appetite tells me to!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 21 June, 2012, 07:59:54 am
Static.
This is in some ways, good news, as I'm still living out of a suitcase for half the week and managing, on average, one cycle commute a week.
I have changed my eating habits while staying in the hotel.  I am having a cooked breakfast but not having anything other than fruit and salad for lunch.
So far this is working in that I'm not getting serious munchies during the day and haven't put weight on in a fortnight.

Steve

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 June, 2012, 06:36:07 pm
Something strange going on with the graphs: auntie helen’s graph looks like it’s a mixture of two different people’s graphs. Well, I guess it’s something to do on the train.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 June, 2012, 08:19:12 pm
Something strange going on with the graphs: auntie helen’s graph looks like it’s a mixture of two different people’s graphs. Well, I guess it’s something to do on the train.

Fixed: was caused by someone deleting their account and breaking the user detection so their weights got inserted into AH’s graph.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 27 June, 2012, 02:50:54 pm
After nearly a week thinking my scales were broken (same exact weight - to one decimal place - every day) I'm finally moving in the right direction again.  Actually, close to the lightest I've been all year, though still around 3kg above my target.  I have a month until my holiday, so still have a chance of hitting my target.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 27 June, 2012, 02:56:32 pm
I fell off the wagon a few weeks ago (birthday etc).

My clothing is starting to feel tighter again.

I shall step on the scales tomorrow morning and try to encourage myself to start counting calories again.

Seems I can't just go with my natural eating amount as it just gets out of control really quickly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 27 June, 2012, 03:23:25 pm
Well. I get 10/10 this month for maintaining a weight. Problem is - it's the wrong weight  >:(.

Back to MFP you go, Mr S.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 27 June, 2012, 05:17:28 pm
It's been a bad week for dieting.  But I got away with just 200g added.  I need to work hard to keep on track, but this is my second day of short rides because of illness :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 27 June, 2012, 08:00:35 pm
I've stayed the same this week. Managed to get out on a day off today and ride 220k on my own so quite pleased with myself after ages off.

Treatment starts for me next week, I'm expecting to get fatter :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 27 June, 2012, 09:07:10 pm
I fell off the wagon a while back which I was getting away with because of all the miles. I'm now off the bike again letting the knee get properly right so I need to start watching what I put in at the head end.
Back to MFP now, logging food seems to keep me a bit better under control.

I've figured out what the major flaw is with the MFP calculations of calories burned. Say your base calorie requirement is for example 2000 calories a day, and you then log an activity that burned 4000 calories over 8 hours. You have not used 6000 calories that day, because you need to subtract those 8 hours from the basal amount. This means you burn 4000 in the 8 hours you were exercising and 1360 in the  16 that you weren't. I think MFP ignores this and so double counts all your basal metabolic rate calories the whole time you are exercising. Clearly that wouldn't make much difference for someone doing a hard workout for 30 mins a day, but for a long distance cyclist it would.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 27 June, 2012, 09:09:42 pm
Isn't there something in the MFP FAQs about this where they say they do take it into account? I'm sure I read it somewhere.

There was another diet site I looked at initially (their App was annoying though as only US measurements which was hopeless) which, when you added exercise, it asked if it was taking the time from your day activities or from your sleeping amount (they split the day into basic activity when awake and calorie burn when asleep) which I thought was a really good idea, or made sense to me. So it gave you a base amount of, say, 1500cal which was for 16 hours awake and 8 asleep and this amount adjusted if you did an hour's exercise you had 15 hours awake, 8 hours asleep, 1 hour exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 27 June, 2012, 09:17:55 pm
I've checked mine and my goal calories (which are basically BMR as I've set it to sedentary) plus the exercise calories is taken as net calories, from which the food is deducted. There's none taken off the BMR for period of time I was exercising there that I can see (unless there is something I am missing!).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 June, 2012, 09:38:43 pm
I'm struggling as well, and have had another gradual increase. this morning, at 111kg, is a few hundred grammes up on last week, which I'm hoping was mostly down to last night's birthday curry.

Tomorrow I think I'll take up cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 June, 2012, 09:45:25 pm
I've checked mine and my goal calories (which are basically BMR as I've set it to sedentary) plus the exercise calories is taken as net calories, from which the food is deducted. There's none taken off the BMR for period of time I was exercising there that I can see (unless there is something I am missing!).
Dunno about you, but my BMR is still ticking away in the background when I'm exercising. All those basic functions are still going on.
It may well undercount the exercise calories because (for example) an experienced cyclist will be more efficient, but that's not the same as not needing the BMR calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 27 June, 2012, 10:00:50 pm
I've checked mine and my goal calories (which are basically BMR as I've set it to sedentary) plus the exercise calories is taken as net calories, from which the food is deducted. There's none taken off the BMR for period of time I was exercising there that I can see (unless there is something I am missing!).
Dunno about you, but my BMR is still ticking away in the background when I'm exercising. All those basic functions are still going on.
It may well undercount the exercise calories because (for example) an experienced cyclist will be more efficient, but that's not the same as not needing the BMR calories.

The calories reflect total used not just those in excess of BMR though. It means unless you adjust down either the activity level or the time then you could think you have more calories left over to eat than you actually do.

I've found the MFP calories correlate pretty well with estimates from my HR monitor, and Simon has cross checked with his power tap and they are pretty good. But unless they deduct your BMR hourly they would be an overestimate.
I just thought this could explain why some people are following it pretty exactly and not losing weight, such as Lady C.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 27 June, 2012, 10:16:52 pm
Just caught up with this..... I agree I don't think they are right but I just totally ignore all of MFPs exercise calories and just give myself 300 cals an hour for cycling.

Even on that I don't lose weight.

I eat less than 2000 a day and exercise 4 hours on weekdays, plus an audax at the weekend (I prob eat 2500 on audax days)

I don't know what else I can do :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 27 June, 2012, 10:18:12 pm
And fwiw- I give myself 300 an hour on MFP- but I don't eat all my calories if that makes sense....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 June, 2012, 10:24:28 pm
I've found the MFP calories correlate pretty well with estimates from my HR monitor, and Simon has cross checked with his power tap and they are pretty good. But unless they deduct your BMR hourly they would be an overestimate.
If you use the HRM when you're not exercising, how many calories does it say you're using?
If it says you're using none, you're OK to ignore BMR. If it says you're using calories, you can use that for your BMR.

I don't know what else I can do :(
Rest. Give your body a day off a week to recover.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 27 June, 2012, 10:36:19 pm

I don't know what else I can do :(

I would have a go at radically changing which food types you are getting the calories from. Personally I find carbs are the devil, and I need to limit them to as few simple ones as possible (and eat only small quantities of whole grains).

I might not be a very good example to follow though because Simon (who can smell ketones, only a few people can) has noticed I go ketotic after long rides (or even medium ones sometimes). I must be breaking down a lot of fat and protein to supply myself with energy during the rides for this to happen.

If you actually want to try this on purpose then eat a diet of veggies, seeds, nuts, eggs and chicken breasts and nothing much else for a while. Avoid sugars, cereals, bread, potatoes, pasta and rice. I find this pretty easy to do by removing anything else from the house, but the hard bit is still to exercise while you are doing it. Robert Millar did rather well using that technique (although he didn't do the chicken breast or egg bit and was mostly vegan).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 27 June, 2012, 10:42:40 pm
I gained a kg this week :-X. I think I'm doing this wrong ;D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 June, 2012, 11:41:06 pm
My BMR is estimated at 1628kcal/day but MFP calculates 2040 kcal/day to maintain weight. This is because a normal, even sedentary life is still above-BMR. BMR would be for doing nothing all day at all, just lying in bed. 2040 is my TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) using terminology used on the MFP forums.

I think that MFP makes an allowance for BMR but if you claim a higher base energy use than is realistic, then you’ll be off. I’ve certainly not found I’ve needed to subtract BMR from exercise calories to lose weight. In fact initially I was finding the 200kcal/day deficit leaving me a bit hungry.

I would suggest applying a scaling factor (e.g. multiplying exercise minutes by 0.8) would be simpler than adjusting for BMR if you think the exercise allowances are too high.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 June, 2012, 11:53:28 pm
I might not be a very good example to follow though because Simon (who can smell ketones, only a few people can) has noticed I go ketotic after long rides (or even medium ones sometimes). I must be breaking down a lot of fat and protein to supply myself with energy during the rides for this to happen.

I’ve only noticed twice: after the Brevet Cymru and after the Bryan Chapman. You ate about half as much food as I did on those rides.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 28 June, 2012, 12:10:28 am
I might not be a very good example to follow though because Simon (who can smell ketones, only a few people can) has noticed I go ketotic after long rides (or even medium ones sometimes). I must be breaking down a lot of fat and protein to supply myself with energy during the rides for this to happen.

I’ve only noticed twice: after the Brevet Cymru and after the Bryan Chapman. You ate about half as much food as I did on those rides.

I always eat about half as much food as you do  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 28 June, 2012, 08:41:30 am
Like you Feline, I don't eat many carbs. I have a bowl of porridge for breakfast, and then after that try to hardly have any. I can put on half a stone from looking at a plate of pasta.

I do tend to have something more carb heavy the night before an Audax, but my other meals are pretty low on them, and I certainly don't eat any of that processed rubbish.

I'm lucky in that I totally love salads when they have lots of different things in them, so I often make myself 'exciting' salads for lunch/dinner with yummy ingredients.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 June, 2012, 09:47:06 am
David weighed me last night. I was 69kg, 2kg less than last weigh-in ages ago.
This means I've breached the 11 stone/70kg barrier and my BMI <25.
Result!
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 28 June, 2012, 10:46:18 am
Well done Helly :thumbsup:

I'll have to get back on the waggon when I get back home, although I think I've lost some weight while touring.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 28 June, 2012, 11:03:01 am
yep, :thumbsup: for helly.

I lose very little weight,if any, while touring 'cause I eat for England 'cause feeling hungry turns me into a mega grumpy miserable bastard Mr. Hyde.
My cure is full english breakfasts,snickers bars & cakes & crisps & lucozade during the day: a 3 course evening meal & a couple of pints of Guiness in the evening.Midnight snacks are not unkown.

I also tone-up in that some of the lard turns to muscle which as we know is bad karma weight wise :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 June, 2012, 12:19:47 pm
I'm quite pleased with the one pound loss this week.  Effectively this means that my current lifestyle (three days--two nights--a week away from home so eating out and not cycle commuting) enables me to hold position.  That should mean that when I finish this secondment I'll be able to get back to losing weight without too much hassle.  Also, when I get back home full time, MrsC has indicated that she needs to seriously diet again so there will be an extra incentive.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 28 June, 2012, 12:30:44 pm
That's great news Helly  :thumbsup:
It must take an iron will to lose weight without being able to exercise. Chapeau!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 June, 2012, 12:52:50 pm
Thanks all. I think it's easier if I'm neither exercising nor working. I get ratty if hungry and bonked out when cycling. This way I just get hungry and CBA to get off my perch to eat. I'm told missing meals is bad but I do this occasionally, otherwise having reasonable, well-balanced foods.
I'd still like to get to about 10 stone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 28 June, 2012, 06:59:01 pm
Well done indeed Helly, it is hard enough when I can exercise.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 June, 2012, 09:42:15 pm
Well done, Helly!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 29 June, 2012, 11:10:47 am
Well done, Helly!

I'm having an enforced day off the bike today, which is good because I need the rest, but I find it shockingly easy to use up my daily calorie allowance very quickly when I'm not doing any exercise.

I like food waaaay too much.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 June, 2012, 12:01:32 pm
Auntie Helen and I were discussing this very problem yesterday. Our weight loss this year has been fairly similar, and we have both "hit the buffers" at roughly the same time. After a 10 or 11 kg loss, each of us has had a holiday and one or two other interruptions to routine and we have put a bit of weight on again.

As AH said, effectively we're condemned to a life of calorie counting if we wants to keep the weight off or lose more, and that's not a pleasant prospect. Neither is cycling for 3 hours every day just to burn the excessive calories that our "natural state" expects us to ingest.

Being permanently hungry makes it extremely difficult to concentrate on anything else.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 29 June, 2012, 12:19:29 pm
Neither is cycling for 3 hours every day just to burn the excessive calories that our "natural state" expects us to ingest.

I would happily ride my bike three hours a day for no other reason than its own sake if I had the time... Although a rest is good occasionally and I am feeling the benefit of my day off.

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Being permanently hungry makes it extremely difficult to concentrate on anything else.

Tell me about it.

AIUI the problem is that your body gets used to a regular high intake of calories, so when you're not exercising, you still feel hungry even though you don't need those calories. It's quite a test of the willpower. And this is why so many sportsmen balloon when they retire...

This is also why things like the Satiety Index DrMekon mentioned upthread could be very useful - eating foods that make you feel fuller without being high in calories has to be the way forward.

I find drinking lots of water helps to some extent too, though there is an obvious corollary to that...

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 June, 2012, 12:25:38 pm
Yesterday's 55 miles in the heat undoubtedly has led to me feeling more hungry today. So far, a modest bowl of porridge oats, some grapes and a banana have been my only concessions. I'll go for a short ride to the bank and then have a restricted lunch.

Monday, post Dun Run, is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 29 June, 2012, 01:33:59 pm
Food has been my cigarette substitute for approx 15 years.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 June, 2012, 01:40:14 pm
More good news:
After reading on the BBC News website that women's waists were too big, I measured mine at 83cm. The website stated >80cm was too much.
My waist was 77cm this morning.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 30 June, 2012, 09:02:46 am
MyFitnessPal down this morning. I had to turn on the computer to add my food as my app wasn't working and then discovered that the whole site is down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 June, 2012, 01:48:52 pm
My diet is very low-tech.
Just as well cos my internets can be flakier than the croissants I eschewed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 30 June, 2012, 02:12:41 pm
I've just about had it with the calorie counting and think i'm going to chuck it, the last month i've been under my daily target (1500 cals) on 27 out of 30 days, covered more than 800 miles on the bike and yet my weight has stayed the same ! in that time i've been totally honest and logged every single thing i've ate, i don't touch booze at all so how can  i can stay the same weight is a mystery, when logging exercise i always go for the lower end of estimating calories (300 per hour) burned as i think MFP generally over estimates these and i also think that my body has become so used to cycling that when i exercise i'm burning far fewer cals than i should be,
so i either quit cycling and take up another sport or quit logging calories and get on with life, not a hard choice for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 June, 2012, 02:30:48 pm
Quit logging calories. Losing serious amounts of weight needs long-term commitment.
If you do want to lose weight (and there are good reasons for NOT bothering) accept
1) It will take AGES
2) You WILL be hungry, often.
3) Hunger can turn you into a diet bore
Food is a great pleasure for most people. Enjoy the food you eat but try to reduce portion sizes.
Don't obsess with weighing yourself too much; a tape measure can be more reliable.

The human body is very efficient with its energy stores; half a pound of body fat supplies all calorie needs for a day.
You need some protein and vitamins. You need to eat to eat to stop your body breaking down muscle.
Losing one measly pound of body fat per week is actually quite ambitious but does not really sound like much.

Water is heavy and can easily confound weight measurements. That's why obsessing about measured weight can be bad.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 30 June, 2012, 04:58:18 pm
@ Glasgow Jim
I have never counted calories.
I simply eat less than I did before I started this campaign to lose weight
I am erxpecting it to take a long time
I'm approx half way & it's taken 6 months. nae probs..

I often feel hungry.The cure,for me,is to drink water & eat grapes.Just enough to stop me turning into a miserable grumpy git.

I've stopped crisps & biscuits but still eat cake.
I use the car less & not at all for anything less than a 12km journey.

I've had some gains as well as losses but..hey ho ::-)

keep on keeping on :thumbsup:

hth
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 30 June, 2012, 05:00:44 pm
Alternatively try my new technique, get some horrible gastro-intestinal lurgy, spend 24 hours on the toilet unable to eat or drink and lose 2kg  :facepalm:
I suppose being off the bike at the moment this lurgy is actually advantageous but it doesn't feel like it right now!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 June, 2012, 05:16:22 pm
I tried that one last year.  :hand: GWS.  :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 June, 2012, 05:21:03 pm
Don't count calories but do be aware of what's got lots and what has not.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rr on 30 June, 2012, 05:34:20 pm
I started to try and lose weight at the beginning of the month at 105kg. After a search I found Libra (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.cachapa.libra&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsIm5ldC5jYWNoYXBhLmxpYnJhIl0.) a weight tracking app which uses an exponentially smoothed moving mean to give a weight trend. This is my graph for the last two and a bit weeks:
(http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad8/richsafham/yacf/Libra_2012-06-30.png)
My trend line is below 100kg for the first time for a few years. :thumbsup:
Screen shot, the ad can be removed for a couple of quid.
(http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad8/richsafham/yacf/SC20120630-172138.png)
Being an engineer who has done his fair share of SPC it seems an obvious way of extracting data from such noisy data and has really helped me keep motivated on the days when the scales go up. The about page led me to the The Hackers Diet (http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/e4/) - basically: weigh yourself as reproducibly as possible every day; statistically smooth the results and then adjust calorie intake to maintain weight change. Spreadsheets are available in various formats to do the calculation
Seems to work and make sense.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jimbhoy on 30 June, 2012, 06:00:41 pm
Thanks for the advice guys, my main problem seems to be getting the balance right, i really don't feel hungry most of the time except the day after a 100 mile or so run/Audax, most of my food comes from porridge/fruit/salad/soup, perhaps the answer is in Jogler's/Hellymedics not counting and reducing the amount, but with only 1500 cals allowed just now reducing it further would be a bad idea i think due to the amount of cycling i do, current weight stands around 86kg and would really like to get to 83 or below so maybe a dose of the lurgy just now would help  :sick:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 June, 2012, 06:26:01 pm
I you are only on 1500 kcal/day, you WILL lose weight.
Eventually.

Trick is not to let it rise/creep to 2000 for 'little treats' too frequently.
Persistence will pay off but you must be very persistent...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 July, 2012, 12:35:52 pm
Another way of telling yourself that you will lose weight is to do an overnight bike ride to Suffolk.

In practice you end up consuming far more cake and beer than you otherwise would and find that you weigh more afterwards than you did at the start.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 02 July, 2012, 12:59:14 pm
I started to try and lose weight at the beginning of the month at 105kg. After a search I found Libra (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.cachapa.libra&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsIm5ldC5jYWNoYXBhLmxpYnJhIl0.) a weight tracking app which uses an exponentially smoothed moving mean to give a weight trend.

That looks like a good app. I do the same thing in a slightly less slick way by plugging my daily weight into an Excel spreadsheet and displaying the readings in a graph as a ten-day rolling mean.

It's quite disconcerting - but in a good way - when you enter an increased measurement but your graph moves down!  ;D

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 July, 2012, 08:23:48 am
Going the wrong way.  Despite two long rides at the weekend, and eating fairly modestly (gone over a couple of days, but mostly well under).

Of course, that 1.2kg gained could all be the t-shirt I would have struggled to remove, and the half-cast on my hand ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 July, 2012, 09:50:40 am
Going in the right direction again. Back to the grindstone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 July, 2012, 10:53:35 am
I finally did last week's graph update last night, and it was broken again, wowbagger having weights from a deleted account, so another fix. Now I might do today's one tonight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 July, 2012, 10:56:42 am
I finally did last week's graph update last night, and it was broken again, wowbagger having weights from a deleted account, so another fix. Now I might do today's one tonight.

How does that work then? I've only had one account as far as I know.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 July, 2012, 11:11:10 am
I finally did last week's graph update last night, and it was broken again, wowbagger having weights from a deleted account, so another fix. Now I might do today's one tonight.

How does that work then? I've only had one account as far as I know.

Poor phrasing on my part. Someone else's deleted account confused the parsing, and their weights replaced yours, for all weeks where they had a weight. I fixed one instance a couple of weeks ago, but this one only surfaced this week, it's possible that you were actually 100% wrong weights which was why I didn't notice the error (last night, the graph showed you suddenly gaining 25kg weight).

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 July, 2012, 02:08:56 pm
Was back to 70kg last night.
Don't care.
Must just continue eating very little.
BORING!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 04 July, 2012, 02:15:07 pm
Gained 1kg.
Too much cake consumption Not enough cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 04 July, 2012, 02:22:31 pm
Unbelievable. Been throwing up for 3 days. Weight for the week has stayed the same. Impossible goddamit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 July, 2012, 03:35:03 pm
I've been permanently hungry for the last week and my food consumption reflects that. Hence I'm up half a kilo...

Three hot cross buns and two pieces of ginger cake today to, er... celebrate?  ;D

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 July, 2012, 04:09:55 pm
I've been permanently hungry for the last week and my food consumption reflects that. Hence I'm up half a kilo...

Three hot cross buns and two pieces of ginger cake today to, er... celebrate?  ;D

d.

Equivalent of around 150g fat but such carb load could easily hold a litre (kg) of water to it...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: trio25 on 04 July, 2012, 05:24:12 pm
Started logging again, amazingly haven't put any weight on in the last couple of months off the bike. Hopefully maintain and then lose once I am back on the bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 05 July, 2012, 12:10:22 am
My weight has been pretty much standing still, but then I've been pretty much off the bike for a whole month with dodgy knees. I am considering renewing my long since lapsed gym membership to strengthen some non-cycling specific muscles that might help me with knee support. If I do then I expect my weight will temporarily rise a bit before it falls due to redistribution.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 05 July, 2012, 06:44:54 am
Going the wrong way again   :( :-[   

I will do better

repeat 100 times.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 July, 2012, 08:20:50 am
According to the writer of fiction that is our bathroom scales, I was less than 110kg this morning - 109.9!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 July, 2012, 08:25:08 am
My diet is suspended until further notice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 06 July, 2012, 09:04:09 am
A four pound increase was not what I needed just before going on holiday!

But one of the things on the packing list MrsC has left me this morning (I have the day off to load the car, she's in work until 1.30) is the Weight Watchers stuff.  We will be planning to go on a 'proper' diet when we come back in ten days time.  Not my ideal 'light holiday reading', but needs must.

S

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 06 July, 2012, 09:04:25 am
According to the writer of fiction that is our bathroom scales,

Wowbagger,you are a true wordsmith 8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 July, 2012, 01:24:17 pm
My diet is suspended until further notice.

As someone who has had her fair share of ill-luck and injury, may I quietly suggest that rather than 'until further notice' you allocate yourself a break and then revert to sticking to it.
This is doing as I say, not as I did, but putting on everything I lost was just something else to feel fucking miserable about.
Or, while you can't ride, set your MFP allowance to maintenance and keep to that?
It would be a shame to blow everything when things is shite, when you've done so well this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 July, 2012, 01:32:38 pm
Confession:  despite that bravado, I'm still counting.  Helped by the fact that I've had to do a lot of walking to get to places I was going to ride to... ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 10 July, 2012, 06:50:09 am
4 days in a hotel has not helped.  never mind back on track now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 July, 2012, 09:20:53 am
Not good. Note to self: don't go bingeing on a Tuesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 12 July, 2012, 03:25:46 pm
I'm up 1.5lb this week :(

Still in 2 minds what to do with the weight loss stuff. My body is a bit messed up from (non recreational) drugs and I don't know what effect its having, plus they are making me ill an tired. When I'm tired, I just want to eat, usually junk and have to fight the cravings. In one respect therefore, its just another added stress, but on the other hand, just ignoring it and getting fat will make a different stress, and I'll be miserable and feel rubbish about myself.

I suppose therefore I just try and eat sensibly but I get so demoralised when the scales go up.

God I sound grumpy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 12 July, 2012, 05:40:30 pm
Don't stand on the scales until you and your body are well enough to diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 July, 2012, 05:52:18 pm
I have just discovered that orange juice with bits in contains roughly the same number of calories as does ale.

Does this mean that I should drink more ale or less orange juice?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 July, 2012, 07:56:29 pm
I have just discovered that orange juice with bits in contains roughly the same number of calories as does ale.

Does this mean that I should drink more ale or less orange juice?

Definitely more ale, but cycle off its calories after your pub stop! (That's what I do anyway).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 July, 2012, 10:34:49 pm
Alcohol inhibits fat burning, so consuming alcohol along with a meal is likely to cause ingested carbs and fat to end up being stored as fat.

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According to Dr. Andrew Weil, a Harvard educated doctor currently working at the University of Arizona Health Sciences Center, the acetate from alcohol metabolism is the first fuel to burn for energy. During this time, the body will burn very little of any other form of energy such as the fatty acids stored up in adipose tissue, postponing the act of weight loss. A study published in "The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" found that the metabolism of alcohol decreased whole body lipid oxidation by 73 percent.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/280263-alcohol-fat-burning/#ixzz20RkMKdXL
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 July, 2012, 10:46:01 pm
Alcohol inhibits fat burning, so consuming alcohol along with a meal is likely to cause ingested carbs and fat to end up being stored as fat.

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According to Dr. Andrew Weil, a Harvard educated doctor currently working at the University of Arizona Health Sciences Center, the acetate from alcohol metabolism is the first fuel to burn for energy. During this time, the body will burn very little of any other form of energy such as the fatty acids stored up in adipose tissue, postponing the act of weight loss. A study published in "The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" found that the metabolism of alcohol decreased whole body lipid oxidation by 73 percent.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/280263-alcohol-fat-burning/#ixzz20RkMKdXL

But surely if you have just ridden for a few hours and used up all your muscle glycogen stores your body has no choice than to use the calories you consume on a pub stop to fuel the rest of your ride? I actually find I ride quite fast for about an hour after a pint of beer, I wonder if my body is using the alcohol as rocket fuel  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 July, 2012, 06:14:27 am
Despite not riding really, I managed to stay steady this week.  I need to stay cautious.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wonky on 18 July, 2012, 07:11:14 am
After my Holibobs, I was quite pleased that despite performing no activity greater than splashing in the pool, and shuffling from pool to bar to taxi to restaurant etc, I hadn't gained much weight.
Then suddenly this week, my second week back to full time cycle commuting, I've added 1.2Kg. Now I'm back to my February weight!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 July, 2012, 10:54:57 am
But surely if you have just ridden for a few hours and used up all your muscle glycogen stores your body has no choice than to use the calories you consume on a pub stop to fuel the rest of your ride?

AIUI, the body can't metabolise alcohol into a useful form, and indeed it prevents your body from creating glycogen because the liver is too busy breaking down the alcohol.

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I actually find I ride quite fast for about an hour after a pint of beer, I wonder if my body is using the alcohol as rocket fuel  ;D

I like shandy when I'm cycling - very refreshing, very little alcohol and useful carbs (sugar) from the lemonade.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 18 July, 2012, 01:34:12 pm
I've tried not to get so stressed over it this week. Still struggling with feeling ill but have managed just under 400 miles on the bike this week.

Weight has stayed the same, but its not where I'd like it. Pffft.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonb on 18 July, 2012, 11:16:54 pm
Think I can make ~76 by next week? Certainly!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 22 July, 2012, 09:07:57 am
Target 1 achieved 94.8 this morning, now for target 2
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 22 July, 2012, 11:11:03 am
Starting today.

I realised I don't want to be fat when I'm thirty. I've got a while to go (May 2014), but at five stone I've also got a lot to lose.

Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 July, 2012, 11:32:21 am
Starting today.

I realised I don't want to be fat when I'm thirty. I've got a while to go (May 2014), but at five stone I've also got a lot to lose.

Fingers crossed!

A journey of a thousand miles must start with one step.
Five stones is a lot and realistically, will take a long time.
Good luck and keep going despite holidays, Christmas, parties, work stress and hunger!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 22 July, 2012, 11:33:32 am
Target not achieved by desired date.  Target won't be achieved before my tour in four days (nearly 4kg over).  So long as I don't overindulge myself in the evening I'll probably shed some weight by the time I return.

Not the way I had pictured things, but at least I'll be closer to 80kg than 90 when I depart.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 22 July, 2012, 11:40:12 am
A journey of a thousand miles must start with one step.
Five stones is a lot and realistically, will take a long time.
Good luck and keep going despite holidays, Christmas, parties, work stress and hunger!

Thanks. I've done it before (about three stone), just by diet - and then got lazy and the old habits have crept back worse than ever. I hadn't discovered how much I loved cycling then though, so hopefully that'll help too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 July, 2012, 12:28:22 pm
Cycling helps but Beware of the Bonk!
Try not to ride so hard that you eat excessively to prevent or treat it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 23 July, 2012, 08:25:59 am
Target 1 achieved 94.8 this morning, now for target 2
Well Done!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 25 July, 2012, 09:22:15 am
Moving the right direction, slowly.  I'll miss the next three weigh-ins, but expect the next number to be lower than today's.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 25 July, 2012, 12:14:06 pm
+ 1.5 kg :(

far too much cake,pizza,wine & whisky during the last 5 days.
Older,fatter but seemingly not wiser ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 July, 2012, 12:26:14 pm
+ 1.5 kg :(

far too much cake,pizza,wine & whisky during the last 5 days.
Older,fatter but seemingly not wiser ::-)

People should be excused the weekly weigh-in if they've celebrated a birthday in style. Like Christmas, your weight will drop quite fast once you resume 'sensible eating'.

Life without the occasional CAEK is hardly life...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 25 July, 2012, 12:33:47 pm
caik is not "occassional" at joglerville & it,together with other food fit for the gods, is more than exceedingly good :thumbsup:
On balance I do very well not to be a display manequinn for Bell Tents Inc. considering that my better half is a kitchen godess. :thumbsup:
Having given up smoking I refuse to give up food & reconcile myself to having the figure of a 3 month pregnancy ratther than full term ;D
I keep trying though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 25 July, 2012, 05:11:20 pm
Back on the wagon again (James is away and I realised I was feeling a bit bloated).

A weigh-in put me 3kg higher than my lowest point which was early April (IIRC).

Two days back counting points and I appear to be 2kg less again, so maybe it was water retention or something.

Anyway, I am going to try to keep it up for a month at least as we have a wedding to go to in late August. Mind you, with all the sunny weather I'm doing more cycling than usual so this helps to burn calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 25 July, 2012, 10:10:50 pm
I decided not to weigh myself today because I am in feeling-a-fat-bastard mode due to fluid retention and hormones. I will weigh myself in a few days when it's (hopefully) all gone. I have been a grumpy biatch too  ;D Sorry Simon  :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 26 July, 2012, 06:13:59 am
Up a bit on the lowest of the week, but the work goes on generally down.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 July, 2012, 08:41:56 am
Not having been at home yesterday, I weighed myself this morning. The best from 10 attempts was 110.1. It's all lies.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 July, 2012, 08:45:49 am
Not having been at home yesterday, I weighed myself this morning. The best from 10 attempts was 110.1. It's all pies.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 July, 2012, 08:49:37 am
Not having been at home yesterday, I weighed myself this morning. The best from 10 attempts was 110.1. It's all pies.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 27 July, 2012, 03:22:31 pm
I have completely hit a plateau with my weight loss. If I stick to my MFP calorie limits, I'm permanently hungry. Despite having a decent breakfast, I had to resort to eating my packed lunch before I'd even got to work this morning...

Mind you, I did manage to resist delving into the box of Krispy Kremes that was delivered to the office this morning, so I'm giving myself a pat on the back for that.

And I'm not at all concerned since my current weight of 67.4kg* is just fine for me - I was aiming to be at 64kg by the end of August but I can't see that happening now. I know a lot of you would be glad to have this "problem". I'm just wary of how easy it would be to pile back on all the weight I've lost over the last year if I'm not careful...

d.

*that's the rolling average, which is quite steady; actual weight fluctuates by as much as +/-1kg from day to day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 July, 2012, 03:49:04 pm
I weighed in at 70.5kg yesterday. Have not bothered with MFP for a while, if it continues to creep upwards I might bother. But doing 1000 miles over the next couple of weeks might sort it anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 July, 2012, 04:09:23 pm
I'm feeling a bit the same- no dependants next week= more riding, away with hopefully lots of riding and then back to no dependants.
Losing weight is peripheral to getting full fitness back for The Big One.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 29 July, 2012, 10:47:54 am
Starting today.

I realised I don't want to be fat when I'm thirty. I've got a while to go (May 2014), but at five stone I've also got a lot to lose.

Fingers crossed!

Well it's a week in, and I know this is the easy bit but so far so good. 6 lbs down on this time last week. I'm not expecting to keep this pace up, but if I can keep it in this direction I'll be happy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 01 August, 2012, 05:52:50 pm
It's going a bit moobs up  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 01 August, 2012, 06:03:06 pm
It's going a bit moobs up  :(
I've lost focus a bit too :-\. I think a combination of ice cream season and not really riding at the weekends is the problem.

I must not eat ice cream instead of meals
I must not eat ice cream instead of meals
I must not eat ice cream instead of meals...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 August, 2012, 06:07:27 pm
It's going a bit moobs up  :(

er, yeah.

I need a new bra.  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 01 August, 2012, 06:07:43 pm
My comment is rather literal.If I took up jogging I'd need a sports bra ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 August, 2012, 06:17:21 pm
I've put on weight, but slower than I'd feared.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 August, 2012, 06:32:21 pm
I might have lost half a kg since my previous weigh-in.
Slow progress is not no progress.
Keep going everyone!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 02 August, 2012, 06:50:13 pm
Still hovering around the 14 stone mark.
Considering the current lifestyle (secondment away from base has been extended again) that's not too bad.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 08 August, 2012, 10:00:45 am
I have lost a reasonable dollop (1.5kg) in the last week.Carefull consideration suggests that a diet of 200km onna Saturday with lots of ice-cream & subsequent gluttony of bread&butter pudding is the way forward. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rr on 08 August, 2012, 11:40:33 am
Dropped the glass scales yesterday so no figures for a few days.
Gained 1kg on Sunday due to massive overdose of salt at a barbecue at the inlaws. The salt and associated water is gradually coming out.
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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 August, 2012, 10:30:54 am
Still almost flat-lining, which is better than a massive increase, I suppose.

IN some ways it's encouraging because I'm feeling fat even though I haven't put on any weight since our June holiday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 August, 2012, 12:55:47 pm
A week of sun, beer and slow riding with childers has done nothing for me. I blame the beer patisserie bread nutella Mrs Ernst.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 August, 2012, 03:18:01 pm
I've been away from home, away from the computer, and with a malfunctioning phone, so I've not been keeping track of my (excessive) calorie intake.  Also away from the scales, so I don't have a reading for last week.  Wednesday is likely to be a depressing day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 15 August, 2012, 01:57:34 pm
no change
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 15 August, 2012, 01:58:50 pm
I actually lost 200g over the last two weeks, but I'm not sure how :-[

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 16 August, 2012, 07:40:31 am
Back (up) to where I was three weeks ago  >:(
The good news is that I may have finished the stint of being away three days a week with the consequential hotel breakfasts and pub dinners.
Oh, and that also means I may get some more cycling in.  :thumbsup:

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 17 August, 2012, 04:38:21 pm
Back from my adventures last night (last day of proper cycling was Sunday).  Instead of getting on the scales I had a very late meal - after 23:00.

Got on the scales this morning and weighed in at 3kg less than my last official weigh-in. Even at work today a number of people had commented that it was apparent I had lost weight.  :thumbsup:  I assume at some point a few days ago I weighed even less.

Only 0.5kg off my target which I should be able to manage if I'm sensible.  No bets, please!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 17 August, 2012, 04:39:47 pm
Kinda plateau'ed over the last week or so, but it's started gradually trickling down again.

Was 213 lbs this morning, my lowest so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 August, 2012, 05:19:46 pm
At the start of 2010, I was a shade under 90kg with a BMI of about 30 (borderline obese) - that was the point when I realised my weight was getting out of control and I had to do something about it.

I made a good start and by mid 2010 was down to slightly over 80kg, but then I stalled and hovered around the 80kg mark for the next 12 months. It was about this time last year that something clicked inside me and I started to take it a lot more seriously - I don't know what it was exactly, but I started to deeply want it. I mean, I'd been "wanting" to lose weight for the previous year and a half but not in the same way...

When I got on the scales on Wednesday morning, they said 66.0kg. I thought that can't possibly be right so I got off and got on again and they said 65.8kg! Third time, it was back to 66.0kg, but I'll take that - it's the lowest my weight has been probably since my early 20s. It's my 40th at the end of this year and I'm pretty confident that I'll have reached my ultimate target of 64kg by then (BMI of 20.66) - tbh, I don't think I want or need to go any lower than that.

I know a lot of you find shedding the pounds really hard and I don't want to sound like I'm gloating, but I can assure you it hasn't been easy for me to achieve this and I'm bloody proud of myself. And I am sympathetic to all of you who are struggling, honest!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 August, 2012, 05:24:21 pm
Well done citoyen!
I'd love to be 66kg but don't have as far to go as you did.
I'll get weighed sometime...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 17 August, 2012, 05:24:52 pm
That's fantastic Citoyen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 August, 2012, 05:39:46 pm
Thanks! I only checked the numbers because a colleague was asking me earlier how much I'd lost and I'd forgotten it was ever as high as 90kg. But looking up my records reminded me of getting on the scales just after Christmas 2009, seeing that I'd broken through the 14 stone barrier and feeling pretty low because of it. Mind you, the latter half of 2009 was a pretty bad time for me and I think I'd put on quite a lot quite quickly - I'd been not much over 13 stone just a few months before that.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ewan Houzami on 17 August, 2012, 06:11:47 pm
I guess like most, I could eat and drink what I liked with with gay abandon up to my mid-thirties, and even if I did gain weight, could shed it quite quickly. Roll on ten years, and it's not so blinkin' easy, is it? Due to being time rich/cash poor I began making homebrew at the beginning of the year, so was able to neck quite a lot of it without having to worry too much about hangovers. I pretty much stopped exercising at the same time, gaining a stone in three months (pushing me from 60 to 67kg) and it's become an absolute bugger to shift, and I was developing a little pot belly for the first time. The cycling helps (by cranking up the mileage so that each ride is further than the last - pushing my metabolism up post-ride  - with the result that each 'hard' ride I do appears to remove a pound of blubber). But my attitude has always been 'ride to get fit and diet to lose weight', so I'm giving the IGF-1 reduction/heavily reduced calorie diet a whirl. 500kcals or less twice a week, and eat what I like on the other days, as demonstrated on Horizon the other day (haven't seen it yet mind, but have known about the diet for a while).  TBH I'd love to get back down to a 'race weight' of 58Kg, but I suspect those days might be over. First target is 63Kg when my abdominal muscles reveal themselves once again. Problem is, I've still got a few gallons of homebrew tucked away!

I've noticed that 1Kg weight loss seems to equate to using 1 sprocket higher on the back for the same bit of road. (Either that, or I'm getting fitter!)

That's some mean weight loss, Citoyen. I think it shows that the self-denial you've demonstrated is not down to 'willpower', more like 'desirepower'. Do you want it Sir? Do you? Do you? Do you want it? Sort of thing

A lot has to do with vanity of course, and even just being a stone overweight, makes me feel old and sluggish (and correspondingly a bit depressed), so my 'driver' or motivation is to maintain a feeling of youthfulness.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 17 August, 2012, 06:31:20 pm
Do you want it Sir? Do you? Do you? Do you want it?

OOH! Suits you, sir!

Congrats, Citoyen, great stuff. Keep up the good work, and keep enjoying the rewards :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 17 August, 2012, 06:58:01 pm
I never made it to my mid thirties before finding it hard!!!

I went to look at my extremes after reading Citoyens posts. Taking pregnancies out of the equation, I've been everything from quite overweight at 11.12, Actually I think that's very close to obese at my height (that was just after uni) to very underweight at 5.12 (2004)

Now I'm at a healthy weight of just under 9 stone, BMI 20 or 21 I think but I do have some weight to lose. I've just never quite been able to get it right lol but at least I'm now in a healthy ballpark and seem to have some sort of a grip on it.

Been pretty stable for a couple of weeks, I don't have it in me at the moment to make a conscious effort to lose any, even though the figures say I should be. I'll be happy enough to just maintain for a month or so as I don't think my body can cope with any more stress. I'll have to be careful and keep my snout out of chocolate boxes, but not starve myself either
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 August, 2012, 08:06:03 pm
That's some mean weight loss, Citoyen. I think it shows that the self-denial you've demonstrated is not down to 'willpower', more like 'desirepower'. Do you want it Sir? Do you? Do you? Do you want it? Sort of thing

Heh. Yes, definitely. I think it's not so much wanting to lose weight (we all want that) but wanting to do the things we need to do to lose weight, if you get my drift. I've got on well with myfitnesspal because I'm the kind of boring sod who enjoys tedious data logging/analysis jobs, but I can well understand why others haven't found it such a useful tool. And it needs to be a high priority in your life, which isn't always possible for many and various reasons, as I know I don't need to tell anyone here.

d.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 August, 2012, 08:10:05 pm
Btw, Goldilocks has reminded me of the Rimmer quote sampled in the intro of Carter's Surfin USM...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l6vTw97QWs
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 18 August, 2012, 09:26:07 am
Well Rogerzilla's relentless nocturnal pace across the Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire and Godknowswhereelseshire countryside has, at least, helped me to shift a particularly niggling plateau:

(http://robotninja.net/~chris/14lbs.png)

Boom! Happy Chris.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 August, 2012, 11:59:38 am
A stone? That's nearly an armful!

Well done!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 August, 2012, 03:38:16 pm
Since 2006 and my first audax ride my weight has ranged between 67kg - about 10.5 stone - and 75kg - about 12 stone, which was late 2009. What has changed since that peak is I've watched what I eat which I never really did properly before. It's when my activity levels drop that I need to watch out.

What has really changed though is body composition. I'm down from approaching 20% body fat, to consistently around 15-16%. So my muscle mass is greater than in 2006, despite losing weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 20 August, 2012, 09:19:11 am
Oi! Who broke in to my flat while I was on holiday and let out the waist on some of my trousers?  I nearly ran out of holes on my belt this morning.  >:(

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 20 August, 2012, 10:30:37 am
 :thumbsup:

In a similar vein, I went clothes shopping on Saturday afternoon. When trying on trousers, I thought I'd risk a 30 waist. I could have cried for joy when I slipped into them easily. Haven't been able to wear a 30 since I was in my mid 20s.  ;D

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 20 August, 2012, 11:58:19 am
Packing and weighing MsCharly's suitcase on the weekend, I stepped on her scales.

I've lost 7Kg in about 9 weeks (down from 83Kg to 76kg).

Thing is, I've not been dieting or cutting down on food. The only thing I have done is exercises given by the physio, which are mainly about strengthening core abdominal muscles.
I've had to start using a belt on some of my trousers, but put this down to tightening up said stomach muscles, not losing weight.

Hot weather helps as well, I guess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 August, 2012, 12:00:08 pm
Good stuff.  We've just been doing some clothes sorting, and managed to get rid of lots of comically oversized clothes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 20 August, 2012, 12:08:42 pm
I've lost 7Kg in about 9 weeks (down from 83Kg to 76kg).

Great work!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 20 August, 2012, 05:44:41 pm
only now when i can's snack1, i realised that i was snacking most of the time while at the desk!.. i'll stop monitoring my weight as it stays pretty much constant now.



[1] wearing dental braces requires brushing teeth after each meal/snack and i just cba
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 21 August, 2012, 12:46:37 pm
I've lost 7Kg in about 9 weeks (down from 83Kg to 76kg).

Great work!

d.
Saw physio this morning, very pleased with progress on my back. Essentially discharged.

Not so impressed by weightloss. I've not been dieting, skipping meals or suddenly exercising more, so it's a bit of a mystery.

She exhorted me to keep an eye on my weight and if it carries on going down at this rate, to get myself to my GP.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 August, 2012, 06:50:59 pm
David's been whinging about not having lost much weight recently.
He's just come downstairs wearing trousers that have been too tight since he moved in nine years ago.
 ;D ;D ;D

I've not weighed myself for ages but had lost another inch from my waist this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 August, 2012, 08:40:58 am
Still no real change. This must change!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 22 August, 2012, 09:50:07 am
Bah!  All this post-holiday easy living has seen me put 0.6kg back on over the last few days.   >:(

I doubt I'll behave myself at Mildenhall, so I'll re-focus from the start of September.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 22 August, 2012, 10:20:03 am
I have succeeded in adding a kilogram ::-)

I have also succeeded in doing no riding of import since a 200km approx 3 or 4  :-\ weeks ago.If this was a school report it would say "must try harder".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 24 August, 2012, 10:02:02 am
Some of the weight I lost last year has come back, probably because I got fed up with MFP. My clothes still fit so I’m not too bothered.

But the good news is that when I slipped and fell twice in the rain while descending Snowdon at the weekend (I was fine going up!), I landed on my behind, which cushioned me with the extra weight. I’m such a clumsy oaf (especially when tired) that perhaps I should keep it…
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 August, 2012, 10:19:17 am
I am hoping that this week I have stiffened my resolve and that between now and the end of the year I will be able to shed a few more kgs. During our June Scottish holiday I put on between 2 and 3 kg and, for the past couple of months, I've remained static.

I've spent long enough in the base camp. Now to tackle the sheer face bulging masswhich constitutes the next 10kg of surplus Wowbagger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 August, 2012, 01:37:41 pm
Down to 68kg last night.
Slow but sure...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 August, 2012, 07:54:46 am
I am shameless. I really shouldn't post a weight the day after an ADF fast day - it's all water loss and artificial.

But I did anyway  ;D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 August, 2012, 08:13:19 am
Does that mean that I shouldn't post my weight just after a weekend stuffing myself at Mildenhall? Up 1.6 kg, although I'm comforting myself that a fair bit of that is the fact that I ate my meal after 9 p.m. last night and a good deal of it is still in the system.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 August, 2012, 08:56:22 am
Up, despite the calorie figures in MfP.  Not sure why, but I didn't get any exercise yesterday, and we ate late.  Could be partly that. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 29 August, 2012, 10:02:02 am
+1.5kg
hellsbellsandbucketsofblood  :o

I reckon too much cake & too much cycling ,the latter converting fat into muscle.That's my story & I'm sticking to it ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 29 August, 2012, 11:03:58 am
Dropped below my target.  Not a surprise considering I hardly ate over the weekend and still not back to normal hunger.  :-\
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: howieduck on 29 August, 2012, 12:33:52 pm
It's now exactly a year since I stepped on the scales and thought 'ye gods! I'd better do something about that!'.
I'm now just over 40 kg lighter and still losing slowly but surely. I've eaten healthily and ridden my bike a lot more. I have realised I like healthy food and I love to ride my bike!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 29 August, 2012, 12:40:08 pm
Wow!  Good going!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 29 August, 2012, 01:29:31 pm
+1 (million bazillion)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 29 August, 2012, 01:35:08 pm
That's astonishing. Well done!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 August, 2012, 01:37:50 pm
Amazing howieduck, Well Done!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 August, 2012, 02:24:02 pm
Gosh, I am impressed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 29 August, 2012, 02:59:40 pm
I'm now just over 40 kg lighter

That's a half a me! Well done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 29 August, 2012, 03:11:07 pm
It's rather less than half a me. But over a third of a me, even when I was at my absolute lardiest and weighed in at, I think, about 119.  And if I lost that much I would be within spitting distance of normal on a BMI chart! 

And you sound like you're enjoying it.  Splendiferous!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasmine on 29 August, 2012, 03:34:09 pm
just over 40 kg lighter

 :o :o :o

Well done.  Whatever your start weight was, that's an amazing amount to have the willpower to lose.  It doesn't matter if the rest comes off slowly, just keep chipping away at it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 29 August, 2012, 04:26:06 pm
Fantastic Howieduck!

I lost 52kg in a year eleven years ago and I've kept at least half of it off ever since. I remember how my eating changed, finding herbs and pepper and spices all tasted much more interesting when things weren't swimming in fat. I have slipped somewhat in the intervening years but have still kept to some things I learned when I did my big diet, and I still drink skimmed milk rather than semi or full cream which I started on the diet.

Bet it was expensive in clothes for you - I went down from a ladies' size 24 to a 12/14 which meant I had to hang around charity shops to refresh my wardrobe.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: howieduck on 29 August, 2012, 04:54:17 pm
Thank you all.
I have so far sent 12 black bags of clothes to the charity shop n have replenished my cycling wardrobe courtesy of Lidl. I have gone down 4 sizes in clothes n tend to look a bit raggedy as I'm constantly wearing baggy things! I can't justify buying expensive clothes and sometimes don't see the point in buying things at all.
I sometimes have to wear smart clothes at work n can never work out in advance if they will fit me or I'm going to look like a scarecrow.
Still. I'm looking to lose another 11 kilos now and see if I am the right size for me then. It's certainly made cyclin easier and inspired/allowed me to take part in some audax rather than just reading about them and dreaming of being fit enough to complete the distance.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 29 August, 2012, 06:05:09 pm

I'm now just over 40 kg lighter and still losing slowly but surely.

That's inspirational :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 29 August, 2012, 07:22:20 pm
Do we have a forum Biggest Loser?  ;D




 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 29 August, 2012, 07:49:12 pm
40kg is incredible. The biggest of congratulations to you.

I've so far only put on 2lbs whilst taking some steroids but getting a bit down in the dumps about having to be so so careful about what I'm eating to keep the gain small. Unbelievably frustrating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 August, 2012, 12:37:10 am
Do we have a forum Biggest Loser?  ;D




 :thumbsup:

I think gb155 might get that accolade, though he's not posted much here recently...
(He's not been active on the forum for over a year but is nearer 13 stone now.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 30 August, 2012, 01:19:38 am
I'm stepping back from this thread on the basis that I'm not having battles in the same league as others here are. I'm still watching how you're all doing though and cheering you on. Opinions on another thread have upset me enough not to want to discuss the minuniae of my weight loss alongside those who have a larger battle on their hands. I get what you are up against and do not wish to make light of it by posting about my more minor battles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 August, 2012, 07:29:44 am
I'm 1kg down this morning on yesterday.  ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 30 August, 2012, 08:29:36 am
I'm stepping back from this thread on the basis that I'm not having battles in the same league as others here are. I'm still watching how you're all doing though and cheering you on. Opinions on another thread have upset me enough not to want to discuss the minuniae of my weight loss alongside those who have a larger battle on their hands. I get what you are up against and do not wish to make light of it by posting about my more minor battles.

That's totally up to you, but I don't think you should have to feel that way. I've got plenty to lose, and even if you only want to lose half a pound I don't feel that "makes light" of what I'm trying to achive. Either way, good luck with your battles, I hope it goes smoothly for you  :thumbsup:


And as for me... biiiiiiig blip over the last couple of weeks but back to -14lbs. Phew. Nose wedged firmly back against grindstone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 30 August, 2012, 09:27:31 am
I'm 1kg down this morning on yesterday.  ???

Similarly I am 0.5kg lighter this morning than yesterday ???

I deliberatley ate no cake nor did any cycling yesterday which seems to imply that if I maintain this philosophy for 26 days I will reach my target weight.
mmm?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 30 August, 2012, 10:23:54 am
I'm stepping back from this thread on the basis that I'm not having battles in the same league as others here are. I'm still watching how you're all doing though and cheering you on. Opinions on another thread have upset me enough not to want to discuss the minuniae of my weight loss alongside those who have a larger battle on their hands. I get what you are up against and do not wish to make light of it by posting about my more minor battles.
Thank you.

I'm sorry you were upset by the comments in another thread, and your reasons for weightwatching are perfectly valid, but as I've said before, I find it very demoralising reading about people who already have a healthy BMI quibbling about the difference between a BMI of 20 and one of 19.5.
I'm well aware this is my problem- after all, this isn't the 'lazy fat bastards and emotional eaters thread'.

Fast day today. Sods law being what it is, Chris fasts for a day and sheds kilos, I fast for a day and gain 200g. Both of these are noise. One of them pisses me off (and it isn't Chris being lighter).

After 8 months of alternately calorie counting and filling the empty miserable hollow of my heart with cake, I am, quelle surprise, the exact same weight as I was in January. Whoop de fucking doop. I'm toying with taking up smoking again. I reckon my obesity is probably just as unhealthy, and given my level of fitness (pretty good, just for clarification) reduced lung capacity would be less of a cycling hindrance than the spare 20+kg I'm lugging around.
Shame it's so vile.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 31 August, 2012, 08:33:04 pm
Dipped below 90kg this week :thumbsup:My problem is getting down to 85kg,it just seems to get harder once I get below 90Kg.Maybe its because Ive been this size or heavier for about the last 10 years or so?It's like my body is telling me I am supposed to be slightly overweight.I have noticed several others on here are of a similar weight and age and seem to have the same problem :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 05 September, 2012, 08:31:34 am
Well, my weight has changed this year, by 10kg, only in the wrong direction. The turn around in my eating habits seems to have coincided with my scheme to consider 2013 LEL which I have to admit was scaring me as an idea. So, I'm going to drop the idea and head back towards my January weight by the end of the year. Ho hum.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 05 September, 2012, 08:48:40 am
Up a bit more than I'd like, but not too bad in light of being off the bike since Friday.   Not worried yet, but if I get to a week off the bike I'll have to be careful with what I'm eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 September, 2012, 09:13:27 am
Back to 110.8 today, an alleged loss of 1.5kg after last week's rise of 1.4kg. I think that one's mostly down to the scales.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 05 September, 2012, 09:20:08 am
I have decided to suspend my participation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 September, 2012, 09:28:05 am
Where can I buy a Participation Suspender?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 05 September, 2012, 10:16:14 am
Fast day today. Sods law being what it is, Chris fasts for a day and sheds kilos, I fast for a day and gain 200g. Both of these are noise. One of them pisses me off (and it isn't Chris being lighter).

After 8 months of alternately calorie counting and filling the empty miserable hollow of my heart with cake, I am, quelle surprise, the exact same weight as I was in January. Whoop de fucking doop. I'm toying with taking up smoking again. I reckon my obesity is probably just as unhealthy, and given my level of fitness (pretty good, just for clarification) reduced lung capacity would be less of a cycling hindrance than the spare 20+kg I'm lugging around.
Shame it's so vile.

I can empathise.

Food is my drug and skinny people will never understand that you can address the disappointment of gaining weight by eating more.

At least with Heroin and cigarettes it's possible to use total abstinence as a recovery technique.

After my post-PBP blob-out I finally said "enough is enough" last week (PBP anniversary would you believe).  I've said "enough his enough" many times but, in the space of 1 year I have experienced the extremes of my fitness (2 weeks after PBP I was flying on my bike effortlessly and clothes fit me) and lack thereof (I'm struggling up hills and running out of belt holes).

You see I'm fighting an evil side of my brain, it really is like the angel and devil stood on my shoulders, whispering conflicting advice.

I guess that the devil is actually a million years of evolution telling me to eat while I can, because there won't be an Antelope to eat tomorrow (substitute Chicken Tikka as appropriate), and the angel is my conscious brain thinking how great it would be to ride up hills and wear 32" waist jeans again (without taking a big deep breath and hoiking on my belt of course).

You see I could eat everything in my fridge followed by 20 Cadbury's chocolate mini-rolls (and I'm not even joking).


So, what I learned over the years is:

1. Your Brain will trick you into giving up.  It really will do anything to make you give up, make you depressed, make you consider smoking and, most of all, will make you start eating.  Your brain really wants you to start eating.  It will make you depressed, tell you to eat something to make yourself better and then make you depressed for eating...ahhh..what a wanker my Brain is.

2. I don't enjoy eating as much I as think I will.  My Brain tricks me into thinking I will.  If I pig out I ALWAYS regret it afterwards.  Damn that fucking brain.  I could make a video to myself, to watch before I eat too much, "You really won't enjoy this as much as your brain is telling you..you fool". 

I don't think I need the video now, I've learned what my brain is doing.

3. I prefer feeling fit and light on the bike to any meal I've ever had.  I prefer looking good in clothes to the feeling after a heavy meal.

Of course I love the feeling of eating a guilt-free heavy meal, 70km into a 200km ride say.

4. I know it's frustrating that, after a week of dieting, you gained a few pounds.  That's just your Brain's way of saying "give up, it just isn't working".  But it will.  Usually the following week I make up for that "noise" and things get back on plan.

You just have to write that week off and know that, over a month, it will work out.

Ergo.  People weigh themselves far too frequently.

5. Weight loss is simple maths.  Calories in vs Calories out.  I know it's impossible NOT to lose weight if I burn more calories than I eat. 

Therefore I don't kid myself.  I don't have a slow metabolism, I have a metabolism and that's that. Slow metabolisms can't make calories out of air.  If you continue to gain weight then you are eating too much.  Your evil  Brain won. It told you "you have a slow metabolism", that "you get fat just by breathing" so "what's the point?".

If this happens then you are kidding yourself.


6. 3500 calories = 1 pound of fat (give or take).  You gain a pound of weight then you ate 3500 calories too many.

You burn an extra 3500 calories then your body will source that by "chopping off a lump of body fat and lobbing it on the fire".

1 pound a week is a perfectly sensible and achievable amount to lose in a week, that's 500 calories a day deficit, but let's use 1/2 pound a week, or 250 calories a day.  250 calories  (yes, yes..Kcals, I know) is really nothing.  It's a chocolate bar or a couple of spuds.

1/2 pound a week is 26 pounds a year, let's call that 2 stone a year.

Coincidentally, 2 stone would get me to 12 stone "something" (I don't care about anything else, I just want to see 12st xxx on the scales because I've only see 13st, 14st and 15st for the last 10 years).

7. If I look at the long term, like PBP 2015 then 1/2 pound, or even 1/4 pound per week will get me into great shape. I just have to battle my Brain until then (actually it's a forever deal).

So, summary (for me, if this is going to work): Prepare to have a life-long fight with my evil brain, always remember how much I regret eating lots, remember how great it is to be light on a bike,  weigh myself every month and that 1 pound a month is perfectly fine.

This may make sense to food-addicts but naturally skinny types will tend to think "just don't eat so much" in the same way that Tory MPs tell Heroin addicts to stop taking so much Heroin.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 05 September, 2012, 10:35:17 am
Lee that makes a lot of sense to me, and I recognise rather too many of those points in my own behaviour :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: contango on 05 September, 2012, 10:49:24 am
Coincidentally, 2 stone would get me to 12 stone "something" (I don't care about anything else, I just want to see 12st xxx on the scales because I've only see 13st, 14st and 15st for the last 10 years).

I couldn't tell you the last time the scale said 15 anything. I've apparently hit a plateau between 16 and 17st. Which is frustrating, but in context that it wasn't all that long ago that my scale went up to 20st and my weight was off the scale it's maybe not so bad. Ironically now I don't need it my scale goes up to nearly 30st.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 05 September, 2012, 11:12:01 am
Fast day today. Sods law being what it is, Chris fasts for a day and sheds kilos, I fast for a day and gain 200g. Both of these are noise. One of them pisses me off (and it isn't Chris being lighter).

After 8 months of alternately calorie counting and filling the empty miserable hollow of my heart with cake, I am, quelle surprise, the exact same weight as I was in January. Whoop de fucking doop. I'm toying with taking up smoking again. I reckon my obesity is probably just as unhealthy, and given my level of fitness (pretty good, just for clarification) reduced lung capacity would be less of a cycling hindrance than the spare 20+kg I'm lugging around.
Shame it's so vile.

I can empathise.

Food is my drug and skinny people will never understand that you can address the disappointment of gaining weight by eating more.

At least with Heroin and cigarettes it's possible to use total abstinence as a recovery technique.

After my post-PBP blob-out I finally said "enough is enough" last week (PBP anniversary would you believe).  I've said "enough his enough" many times but, in the space of 1 year I have experienced the extremes of my fitness (2 weeks after PBP I was flying on my bike effortlessly and clothes fit me) and lack thereof (I'm struggling up hills and running out of belt holes).

You see I'm fighting an evil side of my brain, it really is like the angel and devil stood on my shoulders, whispering conflicting advice.

I guess that the devil is actually a million years of evolution telling me to eat while I can, because there won't be an Antelope to eat tomorrow (substitute Chicken Tikka as appropriate), and the angel is my conscious brain thinking how great it would be to ride up hills and wear 32" waist jeans again (without taking a big deep breath and hoiking on my belt of course).

You see I could eat everything in my fridge followed by 20 Cadbury's chocolate mini-rolls (and I'm not even joking).


So, what I learned over the years is:

1. Your Brain will trick you into giving up.  It really will do anything to make you give up, make you depressed, make you consider smoking and, most of all, will make you start eating.  Your brain really wants you to start eating.  It will make you depressed, tell you to eat something to make yourself better and then make you depressed for eating...ahhh..what a wanker my Brain is.

2. I don't enjoy eating as much I as think I will.  My Brain tricks me into thinking I will.  If I pig out I ALWAYS regret it afterwards.  Damn that fucking brain.  I could make a video to myself, to watch before I eat too much, "You really won't enjoy this as much as your brain is telling you..you fool". 

I don't think I need the video now, I've learned what my brain is doing.

3. I prefer feeling fit and light on the bike to any meal I've ever had.  I prefer looking good in clothes to the feeling after a heavy meal.

Of course I love the feeling of eating a guilt-free heavy meal, 70km into a 200km ride say.

4. I know it's frustrating that, after a week of dieting, you gained a few pounds.  That's just your Brain's way of saying "give up, it just isn't working".  But it will.  Usually the following week I make up for that "noise" and things get back on plan.

You just have to write that week off and know that, over a month, it will work out.

Ergo.  People weigh themselves far too frequently.

5. Weight loss is simple maths.  Calories in vs Calories out.  I know it's impossible NOT to lose weight if I burn more calories than I eat. 

Therefore I don't kid myself.  I don't have a slow metabolism, I have a metabolism and that's that. Slow metabolisms can't make calories out of air.  If you continue to gain weight then you are eating too much.  Your evil  Brain won. It told you "you have a slow metabolism", that "you get fat just by breathing" so "what's the point?".

If this happens then you are kidding yourself.


6. 3500 calories = 1 pound of fat (give or take).  You gain a pound of weight then you ate 3500 calories too many.

You burn an extra 3500 calories then your body will source that by "chopping off a lump of body fat and lobbing it on the fire".

1 pound a week is a perfectly sensible and achievable amount to lose in a week, that's 500 calories a day deficit, but let's use 1/2 pound a week, or 250 calories a day.  250 calories  (yes, yes..Kcals, I know) is really nothing.  It's a chocolate bar or a couple of spuds.

1/2 pound a week is 26 pounds a year, let's call that 2 stone a year.

Coincidentally, 2 stone would get me to 12 stone "something" (I don't care about anything else, I just want to see 12st xxx on the scales because I've only see 13st, 14st and 15st for the last 10 years).

7. If I look at the long term, like PBP 2015 then 1/2 pound, or even 1/4 pound per week will get me into great shape. I just have to battle my Brain until then (actually it's a forever deal).

So, summary (for me, if this is going to work): Prepare to have a life-long fight with my evil brain, always remember how much I regret eating lots, remember how great it is to be light on a bike,  weigh myself every month and that 1 pound a month is perfectly fine.

This may make sense to food-addicts but naturally skinny types will tend to think "just don't eat so much" in the same way that Tory MPs tell Heroin addicts to stop taking so much Heroin.

A lot of truth and a hell of a lot of similarity, but a couple of points:

"Fighting" is doomed to failure, one or the other of you is going to lose.... The alternative it to find a positive approach for yourself, eg, convincing yourself you are thin (mind you, as I have said before, I think I'm anorexic as every time I look in the mirror I see a fat person). That's not to say there aren't battles along the way, but heading towards BEING something positive has a greater chance of long term success. That's in what you are saying, too, but I'm just emphasising that aspect. The only way I get to win against the fridge is stopping fighting it. When I stand in front of that damn box and tell myself NO, there is almost always a YES not that far down the line. When I tell myself that the thin person I want to be doesn't need the contents of the fridge, it works for me.

Also I rather like weighing myself every day, I scratch the result on a graph.  I know some days are down, some up, but overall I can see the trend and it gives me incentive.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasmine on 05 September, 2012, 01:00:31 pm

2. I don't enjoy eating as much I as think I will.  My Brain tricks me into thinking I will.  If I pig out I ALWAYS regret it afterwards.  Damn that fucking brain.  I could make a video to myself, to watch before I eat too much, "You really won't enjoy this as much as your brain is telling you..you fool". 


I have this.  :(

I've read that people who are overweight generally don't enjoy their food as much as those who don't.  Specifcally, that the thought of the enjoyment prior to eating is always greater than the enjoyment of actually eating the food.  This leads to continual diappointment on the act of eating, which leads to a desire to eat something more, based on the anticipation of enjoyment.  This is then met again with relative disappointment.  Vicious circle, eating to get over the combined relative disappointment of the food vs its anticipation, and the regret of eating it.  This is compounded by bring 'on a diet' because then you add being disappointed with yourself, especially if you feel that the calories weren't worth it  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 06 September, 2012, 08:02:54 am
Totally agree with PM and Ham's posts.

 Minor victory this morning - haven't seen 14 st something on the scales in a while!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 06 September, 2012, 08:22:54 am
At the moment I'm reading  Dr. Steve Peters'* (http://www.chimpparadox.co.uk/) book.  It's the first "self help" book I've ever read and I think it's chuffin' brilliant.  What fboab, Mr Metcalfe and Ham are describing (very neatly I should add) is Steve's Chimp Paradox.  I would recommend the book to anyone, we can all learn something.  My copy cost about £7 on Kindle.

* In case you don't know, he's the clever bloke who has worked with the Team Sky and British Cycling squads including Wiggo, Sir Chris and Vicky Pendleton who said:

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Steve Peters is the most important person in my career.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 06 September, 2012, 11:13:03 am
At the moment I'm reading  Dr. Steve Peters'* (http://www.chimpparadox.co.uk/) book.  It's the first "self help" book I've ever read and I think it's chuffin' brilliant.  What fboab, Mr Metcalfe and Ham are describing (very neatly I should add) is Steve's Chimp Paradox.  I would recommend the book to anyone, we can all learn something.  My copy cost about £7 on Kindle.

* In case you don't know, he's the clever bloke who has worked with the Team Sky and British Cycling squads including Wiggo, Sir Chris and Vicky Pendleton who said:

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Steve Peters is the most important person in my career.

A quick Google on Steve Peters Chimp Theory confirms that, indeed, I have a chimp in my head.  Possibly a female one...to be confirmed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 06 September, 2012, 11:22:32 am
We all have a chimp, but according to Dr Peter's theory that's not all bad - hence the paradox.  The trick is learning to manage your chimp.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 06 September, 2012, 11:26:55 am
We all have a chimp, but according to Dr Peter's theory that's not all bad - hence the paradox.  The trick is learning to manage your chimp.

Will spanking the monkey help at all?  I'm willing to try it if it helps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 06 September, 2012, 11:30:30 am
We all have a chimp, but according to Dr Peter's theory that's not all bad - hence the paradox.  The trick is learning to manage your chimp.

Will spanking the monkey help at all?  I'm willing to try it if it helps.

I think you might be missing the point  ;D  And I think you might need to read a different book.  Or perhaps you already have!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 September, 2012, 11:34:11 am
So this genius comes up with the idea of a chimp in your head.  Is this in any way related to the Monkey Mind described by Gautama Buddha about 2500years ago?  #pluscachange
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 06 September, 2012, 11:41:11 am
So this genius comes up with the idea of a chimp in your head.  Is this in any way related to the Monkey Mind described by Gautama Buddha about 2500years ago?  #pluscachange

Not a clue.

I don't think Peter's ideas are revolutionary, it's all common sense really.  However, it's how he presents the ideas that's clever.  The chimp, the human and the computer are just his names for parts of the human brain.  He uses these analogies to clearly explain what goes in in all our heads and what we can do about it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 06 September, 2012, 12:42:14 pm
So this genius comes up with the idea of a chimp in your head.  Is this in any way related to the Monkey Mind described by Gautama Buddha about 2500years ago?  #pluscachange

My first thought when I heard about the chimp quote was "I can't believe it's not Buddha"

Now then...where's my hat and coat?

Actually it doesn't matter to me who thought of it, assuming it's the same thing.  There are very few original thoughts (See: YACF Forum) just useful and not so useful ones.

I'll be reading up on it to see if it helps.  My inner chimp made me eat a Harvest Crunch bar at lunchtime.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 September, 2012, 12:43:56 pm
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 06 September, 2012, 12:56:20 pm
Monkey? Or Pigsy?

Monkey or Pigsy?[url]  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNIXkMgPFjE)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 September, 2012, 10:05:11 pm
So this genius comes up with the idea of a chimp in your head.  Is this in any way related to the Monkey Mind described by Gautama Buddha about 2500years ago?  #pluscachange

My first thought when I heard about the chimp quote was "I can't believe it's not Buddha"


I wish I'd said that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 07 September, 2012, 09:26:05 am
Fast day today. Sods law being what it is, Chris fasts for a day and sheds kilos, I fast for a day and gain 200g.
I come from a family of short, round people. Figures that resemble an overfed robin.

Some wierd gene thingy has meant that I've been skinny most of my life (until recently when I hit BMIs in the high20s).

But dad. Oh, poor dad. He wanted to be a jockey. He did manage to ride in some races, dieting down to 64kg, but that was a starvation diet. On the morning of one race he was weighed in - triumph, underweight by 250gm! So he can stave of dehydration by drinking 200ml of orange juice.

Next weighing he was several hundred grams over . . . .

You know how some bikes attract the Pun*ture Fairy?  I think some people attract the F*t Fairy. It's a miserable, sardonic git of a thing, whose sole pleasure is sneaking up on people and implanting fat by a sort of reverse liposuction.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 07 September, 2012, 09:50:01 am
You know how some bikes attract the Pun*ture Fairy?  I think some people attract the F*t Fairy. It's a miserable, sardonic git of a thing, whose sole pleasure is sneaking up on people and implanting fat by a sort of reverse liposuction.

Er, yeah. She lives in cakes, sweets and chocolate and wheedles her way in?

Nice try mrc, but it really is calories in vs calories out. I put more in than I put out. Which is quite astonishing given how much I put out (pun intended).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 07 September, 2012, 10:02:58 am
but it really is calories in vs calories out.

Carved into tablets of stone.

I could do with a cigarette substitute that doesn't taste or smell of cigarettes.Nor all the other associated health risks.Cigarettes were, for me,the most effective fasting technique.
When I was smoking I ate much much less than I do now & virtually no cakes,crisps,biscuits etc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 07 September, 2012, 08:29:53 pm
but it really is calories in vs calories out.

Carved into tablets of stone.

I could do with a cigarette substitute that doesn't taste or smell of cigarettes.

Fellatio?

YHPM
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 September, 2012, 08:36:03 pm
but it really is calories in vs calories out.

Carved into tablets of stone.

I could do with a cigarette substitute that doesn't taste or smell of cigarettes.

Fellatio?

YHPM

Mind bleach now!  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 09 September, 2012, 09:56:35 pm
Paul Metcalf isn't really LEE, but Flatus reborn?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 11 September, 2012, 01:59:06 am
Carved into tablets of stone.

I could do with a cigarette substitute that doesn't taste or smell of cigarettes.Nor all the other associated health risks.Cigarettes were, for me,the most effective fasting technique.
When I was smoking I ate much much less than I do now & virtually no cakes,crisps,biscuits etc.

See My signature banner thingy about Vaping. I am currently taking my nicotine in a watermelon flavour and it does seem to be helping me to eat (Slightly) less.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 11 September, 2012, 12:45:53 pm
Interesting and perceptive:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/10/alzheimers-junk-food-catastrophic-effect

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 11 September, 2012, 01:25:48 pm
I read that earlier, and thought about linking it to the thread on alternate day fasting.  There may be something in it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 September, 2012, 02:57:26 pm
I read that earlier, and thought about linking it to the thread on alternate day fasting.  There may be something in it.

It was one of the more compelling points raised in the original TV programme. Mice, genetically engineered to get early-onset dementia were tested on ADF, and calorie dense diets. Those on ADF lasted much much longer than the control, and those that had fructose rich diets succumbed much sooner.

ETA: Scary figure from USA - "The average American consumes roughly 47 pounds of cane sugar and 35 pounds of high-fructose corn syrup per year, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture."
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 11 September, 2012, 04:11:48 pm
And I imagine our consumption is approaching that level.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 September, 2012, 04:41:50 pm
And I imagine our consumption is approaching that level.

Dunno. The farming lobby in the USA did a very good job of getting HFCS into everything over there, probably more so than we have to put up with here.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 September, 2012, 08:54:04 am
ADF can be hard work, especially when combined with a lot of cycling, but it certainly seems to have helped kick me off the plateau I was on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 September, 2012, 10:50:11 am
ADF can be hard work, especially when combined with a lot of cycling, but it certainly seems to have helped kick me off the plateau I was on.

Good luck to you! I imagine it's very effective if you can keep it up - I know I would find it intolerably difficult.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 September, 2012, 11:07:47 am
Who wants to be on telly?

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 12 September, 2012, 12:15:40 pm
Steady again this week, but the exercise is picking up, so I have hopes for next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 September, 2012, 12:18:02 pm
Same for me again this week. At least it hasn't gone up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 September, 2012, 09:29:02 am
David weighed me last night.
He said I was 66kg or less. (Old spring balance, bought when I weighed 68kg in 1981)
This represents continued gradual loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 18 September, 2012, 03:18:32 pm
Oh bugger.  Today's not going well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 19 September, 2012, 02:18:04 pm
OK.  I've tried eating loads of nice food and I've tried eating hardly anything for the last month.

I must say I prefer eating loads of nice food.

Basically I'm having a hard time today and it's "weigh day" tomorrow.  36 pounds to lose in total (to achieve target), 24 left to go.  I've done the "easy pounds" since Aug 13th, now for the stubborn ones.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 19 September, 2012, 02:28:12 pm
Oh bugger.  Today's not going well.

Not too bad in the end, though.  I'm back below the 90kg I'd gone up to with not riding.  I hope this bodes well for the next few weeks, as there are three big milestones just ahead:

87kg - One quarter of bodyweight lost from maximum in c.2004
86kg - 30kg lost from same point
85kg - Current target.

I'm aiming for 80kg overall, but I'll be pleased if I can knock these ones off soon, as my weight has plateaued a bit, even before the off.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 19 September, 2012, 02:36:59 pm
Oh bugger.  Today's not going well.

Not too bad in the end, though.  I'm back below the 90kg I'd gone up to with not riding.  I hope this bodes well for the next few weeks, as there are three big milestones just ahead:

87kg - One quarter of bodyweight lost from maximum in c.2004
86kg - 30kg lost from same point
85kg - Current target.


I'm aiming for 80kg overall, but I'll be pleased if I can knock these ones off soon, as my weight has plateaued a bit, even before the off.

We're about the same weight and aiming for about the same target.  Cycling must be bloody easy at 80Kg..I want to find out.

I haven't see 80kg/12.5 stone for a very long time, maybe 20 years.  I'd settled into a just-slightly-too-fat Sine Wave fluctuating between 13.5 & 15 stone,  86-96kg.

We'll see, it's much easier said than done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 19 September, 2012, 03:15:55 pm
Haven't kept a close eye on my weight since April, but still logging food and exercise. I'm 70.0kg, which is 1.5kg up since I last reported.

I have a DEXA scan coming up, which all my colleagues will want a nosey at. Might focus me on staying in shape for the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 20 September, 2012, 03:23:54 pm
Oh bugger.  Today's not going well.

Not too bad in the end, though.  I'm back below the 90kg I'd gone up to with not riding.  I hope this bodes well for the next few weeks, as there are three big milestones just ahead:

87kg - One quarter of bodyweight lost from maximum in c.2004
86kg - 30kg lost from same point
85kg - Current target.


I'm aiming for 80kg overall, but I'll be pleased if I can knock these ones off soon, as my weight has plateaued a bit, even before the off.

We're about the same weight and aiming for about the same target.  Cycling must be bloody easy at 80Kg..I want to find out.

I haven't see 80kg/12.5 stone for a very long time, maybe 20 years.  I'd settled into a just-slightly-too-fat Sine Wave fluctuating between 13.5 & 15 stone,  86-96kg.

We'll see, it's much easier said than done.

Ah yes. All too familiar. I ended up going the wrong way this year, cf 2012 graphs, but I'm looking forward to the graph update with the last two weeks on, though. My 2012 objective of low 80's is still achievable
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 26 September, 2012, 09:22:45 am
Woohoo!  I lost 200g! :D

Well, there's still more to go...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 September, 2012, 09:29:49 am
My fat levels have remained disappointingly stable over the past four months.

or

I have succeeded in keeping off the 9kg I lost earlier in the year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 26 September, 2012, 06:10:08 pm
Well, I suppose a 1 lb loss after a fortnight in Belgium is some sort of success...

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 September, 2012, 06:18:48 pm
Oh, it's that day again!

Off to weigh in and then I'll run the graph script. You know I really should set a reminder.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 26 September, 2012, 06:24:38 pm
Well, I suppose a 1 lb loss after a fortnight in Belgium is some sort of success...

1lb loss in a fortnight is probably about the most healthy rate to lose weight.  Definite success.

A year of that and I'd be my perfect weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 29 September, 2012, 06:37:30 pm
Late checking in, but back below 70kg (BMI 19.1). Hill training and a long run, plus the prospect of a DXA scan that my colleagues will be all over are to be credited.

I'll post up my scan results. Hoping for single figure body fat % so I can get one over the uber fit epi bods.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 03 October, 2012, 10:00:24 am
Bother  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 03 October, 2012, 10:04:35 am
Up a bit from last week, but down from where I was a few days ago.  Still not a good position with the end of the year approaching.  I may be returning to MFP next week to help me buckle down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 October, 2012, 10:19:38 am
Haven't been weighed recently.
Seem stable but have lost about 7 or 8kg this year.
No recent inch loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 October, 2012, 10:47:22 am
111.0 today. That's an alleged 200 gramme loss since last week.

Margin of error.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 03 October, 2012, 03:59:08 pm
Big jump this week - that's what you get for weighing in after running 15miles the week before.

Went for a DEXA scan today (and ECG, OGTT, intra abdominal ultrasound fat measurement, various bloods and a sub maximal VO2 max test - all part of the Fenland study - research nurse reckon I'd had £800 of tests). Won't get the results back for a while, but I did catch a glimpse of the Tanita Segmental Body Composition Analyser output. Disappointed to get a body fat % of 11.5. Was hoping for single figures.

DEXA info here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKRNhkiwptY&feature=related < that's the model I went on, a GE Lunar iDXA. Can't find a price, but guess it wasn't cheap in that they are costing it at £300 per scan.

Here's the Tanita they used - http://www.scalesexpress.com/tanita-bc-418ma-segmental-body-composition-analyser-class-iii.html?gclid=CKe4mdqN5bICFaXJtAodvBEA4w < I'm pretty sure that someone on here did a PhD in this area and showed that they were a load of shit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 October, 2012, 05:52:44 pm
That thing would give better results than the scales you stand on as it can get a better idea of upper body fat. However limitations such as hydration sensitivity still apply.

Body fat scales have a fairly large error, but that error tends to be quite stable for a given individual. Hence if you get a reading from a particular device, and have a contemporaneous measurement using another method which is more accurate then you can track changes in body fat using scales once you know the absolute error. As it happens, my Tanita scales said 18% at the same time as skin-fold testing said 18%, so I’m reasonably confident in the readings my scales give me are not massively wrong (currently about 15-16%, dropping to around 13% when I’m riding loads in the summer).

TBH, I’d have been surprised if you saw <10%. Elite athletes are usually in the 8-13% range.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 October, 2012, 05:54:08 pm
Did you find out you Vo2max result BTW? I have to tell you, I found it very tough doing a maximal-effort test. Though I got my HR higher in the spinning class on Friday.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 03 October, 2012, 07:46:27 pm
Not yet - they really didn't want me to see anything during the testing - I'm meant to wait until I get a report. Other than the Tanita, weight and height (which I knew), the only other thing I caught was hip (36") and waist (29"), which gives a waist hip ratio of .8.

The testing centre was an awesome facility - if anyone in the Cambridgeshire / Suffolk / Norfolk area gets the chance to take part in the Fenland study, it's well worth the 2.5 hours it takes (even if there's only a chicken sandwich left if your the last one out - grumble).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 October, 2012, 09:14:10 pm
Fair enough really.

My what a difference a week makes. 71.6kg. It’s 2009 all over again. Looks like calories are back off the menu.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on 15 October, 2012, 05:17:11 pm
Having not been in this thread for ages I'm delighted to announce that I've lost 8kg (probably in reality closer to 5kg from my usual weight as I was in fat bastard mode before I  started) over the past 6 weeks as a result of a vegetarian diet with lots of raw fruit and veg, green tea and a lot more exercise than usual. I'm now cycling faster, going up hills easier and generally feeling quite healthy
<Happy Dance>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 15 October, 2012, 05:52:24 pm
Fair enough really.

My what a difference a week makes. 71.6kg. It’s 2009 all over again. Looks like calories are back off the menu.

Depends how much is muscle, surely? If you are working on cycling performance, it's all about Power:Weight - so more weight is OK if it gives you More Power  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 October, 2012, 08:22:48 pm
Fair enough really.

My what a difference a week makes. 71.6kg. It’s 2009 all over again. Looks like calories are back off the menu.

Depends how much is muscle, surely? If you are working on cycling performance, it's all about Power:Weight - so more weight is OK if it gives you More Power  :)

I think it was/is fat. But I have lost most of it again now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rr on 16 October, 2012, 09:53:19 pm
Finally hit my 92kg first stage target, time for a bit of training and gym work before the next diet.
(http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad8/richsafham/yacf/Libra_2012-10-16.png)
Most of the high spikes on the chart relate to very salty meals at the in-laws and attendant increase i water rather than proper fat gain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 October, 2012, 09:39:43 am
Congratulations, rr.

I have had a disaster of a week in that I seem to have put on 2.5kg since last Wednesday. At least some of it is true as I've been living it up in Suffolk for several days (pub lunches etc) and I weigh more than at any time since 1st Feb.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 17 October, 2012, 09:54:05 am
Damn fine and consistent going, rr
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: De Sisti on 17 October, 2012, 10:25:07 am
Since my hip resurfacing operation on 19 Sep, I've been taking Fragmin (to prevent possible
bloodclots) and Tramadol (painkilling tablets). This cocktail of drugs has coincided with me losing
my appetite. This could be the reason for my recent weight loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on 17 October, 2012, 12:03:52 pm
...bought a Fitbit Aria WiFi scale. Rather chuffed with that. I didn't have a scale before, so wasn't able to participate in the weightloss chart.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 17 October, 2012, 02:47:22 pm
Well done rr.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 17 October, 2012, 03:08:12 pm
...bought a Fitbit Aria WiFi scale. Rather chuffed with that. I didn't have a scale before, so wasn't able to participate in the weightloss chart.


Had to look.. .wow! you iz going to have to be a lot slimmer than anyone else, for sure.

I liked

Quote
Automatically recognises usersWith an easy set-up process, the scale will automatically recognise up to eight users.

The one standing on one leg and jumping in the air? That's uncle Fred. The one that takes five minutes to stand on me and keeps her eyes closed? That'll be Carol.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 17 October, 2012, 03:11:20 pm
Lost 2Kg last 3 weeks

Motivation is the Dartmoor Devil, it's so much easier if you can go uphill better
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 October, 2012, 08:22:51 am
Got my results back from the DEXA

(DEXA) Android fat %: 5.4%

(DEXA) Gynoid fat %: 12.4%

(DEXA) A/G ratio: 0.44

(DEXA) Total body fat %: 7.3%

I think that means I have a (relatively) fat arse.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 24 October, 2012, 08:33:44 am
Going the wrong way at the moment,  but holiday over and now back to it.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 24 October, 2012, 09:40:16 am
I lost 200g this week.

Which is bizarre, because, according to MFP, I'm way under my calorie allowance every day for the last week, and that's set for a steady weight loss. 

Perhaps I'm sleepwalking, and eating tubs of ice cream without knowing it :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 24 October, 2012, 10:09:42 am
Which way to the Weight GAIN Discussion Thread?  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 October, 2012, 10:16:52 am
Which way to the Weight GAIN Discussion Thread?  :'(

Over here, mate!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 24 October, 2012, 01:38:35 pm
Had to post a small increase to the weight reports today as well .... shame Simon hasn't had the time to update the graphs recently, I've now gorn and spoiled my funny shape. (Graph shape, that is, the other funny shape is still just as amusing)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 October, 2012, 01:00:05 am
Updated.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 25 October, 2012, 08:19:57 am
Thank you
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 October, 2012, 09:47:28 am
I note that Strava's estimates of calories burned is lower than MFP's for every ride.  I think someone upthread said they used the speed band below what they'd actually ridden to record the calories.

That may be part of my problem, but I think I need to adapt slightly to reduce intake a bit more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 25 October, 2012, 10:14:00 am
I weigh myself every morning.  Today I'm 1kg lower than yesterday.  ???  There was no fasting involved.  TBH, I wouldn't complain if this trend continued for the next four days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 25 October, 2012, 10:14:28 am
I think I need surgery.
BMI of 35 FFS, and I just don't seem to be able to shift any of it.

I suppose the other side of that coin is that it's fucking incredible I manage to ride a bike at all... Or worse, wtf would I be like if I didn't ride 200+ miles a week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 October, 2012, 12:08:10 pm
Right.  Time for a trial separation from the love of my life: Bread.  It's too easy an option to eat, it keeps me fat, and I think it (along with dairy) has a part in causing the unpleasant intestinal issues I have from time to time.

Let's see of I can manage this somehow. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 October, 2012, 12:12:16 pm
I was quite agreeably surprised this morning. Exactly the same weight as last week, having spent the intervening weekend as a guest at Mrs. Wow's sister's.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 November, 2012, 09:22:37 am
Yesterday: 89.0kg
Today: 87.8kg

Could be a bit dehydrated. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 November, 2012, 10:35:47 am
Yesterday: 89.0kg
Today: 87.8kg

Could be a bit dehydrated. :(

Or hungry or clearing a sodium load from a Chinese meal...

It's quite easy to shed these quantities of water.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 November, 2012, 10:43:00 am
Since I'm suffering from d&v, I think my suggestion is the more likely. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 November, 2012, 10:49:45 am
Fraid so; get well soon!
Don't expect this illness to drop your body weight long term by more than about 0.5kg...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 04 November, 2012, 12:53:45 pm
I had my first all day Shrinking Thinking workshop yesterday. Tough day!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 November, 2012, 01:12:27 pm
66kg in clothes & shoes today.
The slow descent continues...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 November, 2012, 04:05:38 pm
I had my first all day Shrinking Thinking workshop yesterday. Tough day!
Can we have a precis?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 07 November, 2012, 10:37:33 am
I am sure I have read somewhere that hot bread crust straight out the oven due to its higher molecular energy has less calories, especially when consumed away from mealtimes. Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 07 November, 2012, 10:43:02 am
Fraid so; get well soon!
Don't expect this illness to drop your body weight long term by more than about 0.5kg...

Well, I wasn't expecting to, but I seem to have done better than that.  I had dropped from 89kg to 87kg, now I'm back to 87.2kg and hoping to hold to that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 07 November, 2012, 11:43:07 am
I am sure I have read somewhere that hot bread crust straight out the oven due to its higher molecular energy has less calories, especially when consumed away from mealtimes. Makes sense to me.

Sorry, but your statement is incorrect - it would have fewer calories. ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 14 November, 2012, 10:06:44 am
I wish my body would maintain it's weight at 61 kg as easily as it does at 64.6 :-\.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 November, 2012, 11:46:18 am
I have managed to lose a little weight in the past two or three weeks. This is as a result of enormous will power and self denial and not at all due to the inherent inaccuracy of our bathroom scales.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 14 November, 2012, 12:43:22 pm
I've taken my eye off the ball lately and as a result, my weight is starting to creep upwards again. Only 1.5kg, so not enough to be cause for concern yet*, but just goes to show how easy it is to put it back on again...

d.

*it's a trend rather than a blip, otherwise I'd dismiss it as being within the scope for normal daily fluctuations.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 17 November, 2012, 11:52:14 am
I have decided to suspend my participation.

Contrary to the above I am unable to resist the temptation to report that that I have lost weight in the last two weeks.
I began to realise that I am losing weight again when I had to keep hoisting my trousers up a couple of weeks ago so weighed myself.In the last week I have had to use braces to keep my trousers up so got on the scales again this morning.
A 2kg loss.
Not too shabby at all considering I'm not even trying to lose weight.I might give the morning & afternoon Penguin bars a miss hereafter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 17 November, 2012, 12:02:21 pm
I have decided to suspend my participation.

Contrary to the above I am unable to resist the temptation to report that that I have lost weight in the last two weeks.
I began to realise that I am losing weight again when I had to keep hoisting my trousers up a couple of weeks ago so weighed myself.In the last week I have had to use braces to keep my trousers up so got on the scales again this morning.
A 2kg loss.
Not too shabby at all considering I'm not even trying to lose weight.I might give the morning & afternoon Penguin bars a miss hereafter.

Well done you.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 November, 2012, 12:12:23 pm
Well done, jogler!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 17 November, 2012, 12:40:16 pm
I had my first all day Shrinking Thinking workshop yesterday. Tough day!
Can we have a precis?
Really hard to describe it in a way that doesn't make it sound like complete bollocks. It's about how your brain works and how that affects how, why and what you eat and all the choices you make about diet and exercise. Over the course of the programme you essentially rewire your brain so that you behave differently. I think if you're someone who just needs to lay off the lager and walk a bit more and you can motivate yourself to do that, it might not be helpful, but if you're one of the people who will buy a 6 pack of Mars Bar icecreams and eat the lot within an hour because you're upset about something, it helps you learn another way of coping. I've been clear with them that my meals are healthy enough, it's the crap I eat between meals that are the issue, but that I don't want to stop eating cake and chocolate completely. I'd like to have the same relationship with them that I have with alcohol - I have loads of alcohol in the house, plenty of it's never been opened, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I might open a bottle of wine on a Friday night and I won't finish it until the Sunday or Monday and it might be a month before I open another bottle - I like it, but it isn't sitting there calling my name in the way that chocolate does.

Anyway, I've lost 10lbs with all the swimming so far.  :D
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 November, 2012, 05:25:21 pm
Well done, Kirst. I just had a look at the Shrinking Thinking website. Interesting. I like their approach.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on 17 November, 2012, 10:24:02 pm
93.4kg the past two mornings so that's a loss of 10.4 kg in 11 weeks.

No meat, no alcohol, no sugar, no milk except on cereal, no eggs, no butter, very little bread.

I'm eating huge piles lot of fruit and veg, couscous, bulgar wheat and quinoa. Drinking gallons of green tea. Appear to be involving into  some kind of vegan :o

I'm never hungry and can't remember the last time I felt so well. Guess it was in a previous existence.  Starting to think that this might be a permanent change so possibly I'll need to tune this before I develop some form of malnutrition.

Daily food and exercise diary on MFP (which seems very optimistic on calorie burn for cycling)

Nothing goes in my mouth without thinking about it first.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 November, 2012, 07:50:05 am
Been stuffing myself at Llandrindod Wells. Can still eat like an AUK!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Martin 14 on 18 November, 2012, 04:00:36 pm
It was one thing dragging my mountain bike from the loft and fitting road slicks, quite another going out riding it now the weathers turned cooler. Apart from cycling shorts I now to to invest in some cycle orientated clothing :)

However in my quest to regain some fitness and lose a a few kg my training in the last four weeks has followed a routine indoors after work:

Sunday 11th November

Turbo Trainer 1 Hour 30 minutes 37.38 km.

Monday 12th November

Turbo Trainer 30 minutes 12.35 km.

Tuesday 13th November

Turbo Trainer 1 hour 30 minutes 36.27 km.

Wednesday 14th November

Rest Day

Thursday 15th November

Turbo Trainer 1 Hour 23.62 km.

Friday 16th November

Weights Shoulders and Back


Saturday 17th November

Exercise Bike 1 hour 30 minutes  36.13 km.

Total Training this week  6 hours 145.75 km.

4 week Total  19 Hours 500 km.


Original weight 78 kg

Weight Now  71 kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 22 November, 2012, 10:51:09 am
Weight down--BMI up  >:(

They've been offering free health checks at work.  I had mine yesterday.  I am shorter than I believed!  Only 5'10" not 5"11.5".  Oh well.

Apart from that it was mostly OK.  I drink too much and weigh too much (these may be related), but blood pressure and so on is OK.  First time I've ever had a cholesterol test and it was 6.3.  Ideal is less than 6.2 but the chap didn't seem too worried.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ewan Houzami on 22 November, 2012, 12:49:07 pm
Riddle me this. How can I gain weight in my sleep? Quite frequently I'm 3-4 lbs heavier in the morning (post pee) than I am last thing at night. This usually happens if I've had a reasonably low cal day and I suspect it's probably something to do with water loss, but I still find it odd all the same.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 22 November, 2012, 01:29:16 pm
Riddle me this. How can I gain weight in my sleep?
You're sleepwalking to the fridge?  ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 22 November, 2012, 02:16:25 pm
Riddle me this. How can I gain weight in my sleep? Quite frequently I'm 3-4 lbs heavier in the morning (post pee) than I am last thing at night. This usually happens if I've had a reasonably low cal day and I suspect it's probably something to do with water loss, but I still find it odd all the same.

Unless you are drinking water overnight, I'd say your scales are dodgy. All things being equal, I cannot think of a mechanism that doesn't involve measurement error. Happy to be corrected.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ewan Houzami on 22 November, 2012, 02:46:53 pm
^ Seems the most likely, although last night I took about 5 readings over half an hour because I 'knew' the reading wasn't right (it read 9st 6 consistently) as I have very little belly fat at that weight. I have a bit of fat at the moment and the scales were saying 9st 10* this morning which feels about right. Probably the best thing is to take a KISS approach and start by changing the battery in the scales, and taking it from there. Failing that, as the fridge looks unraided, the only explanation must be is that I'm unknowingly schlepping down to the 24hr Tesco, arms stretched out in front of me, in the altogether, at four in the morning.

*I know a lot of people here have more serious weight issues and I'm not showing off. I'm quite petite, and like to keep myself slim as the only real physiological advantage I have on a bike is being able to go up hills reasonably quickly. It's still a struggle for me to keep my weight down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 November, 2012, 03:11:32 pm
You're just not heavy enough to properly activate your bathroom scales. Maybe use your kitchen scales instead?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 November, 2012, 04:11:39 pm
Wrong direction this week :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 November, 2012, 04:41:16 pm
Not bothered recently. Had three nights at the Metropole where I had big dinners but 'sensible' breakfasts, in the main.
Partner had a yen for a curry last night so ordered meal for two from Taste of Raj; That will feed us for another two meals...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 22 November, 2012, 10:13:26 pm
Well, after the recent talk with my doctor and realising that the "Midden has hit the Windmill" with the Diabetes complications I now have no choice but to Sort things out a bit. I only need to lose about 50 kilos though so it shouldn't be too hard... should it :-( I weighed in made 130.2 kg the Official starting point.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 November, 2012, 11:13:14 pm
Good on ya!  Don't expect miracles.  Slow and steady is good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 November, 2012, 12:59:23 am
Well, after the recent talk with my doctor and realising that the "Midden has hit the Windmill" with the Diabetes complications I now have no choice but to Sort things out a bit. I only need to lose about 50 kilos though so it shouldn't be too hard... should it :-( I weighed in made 130.2 kg the Official starting point.

Good luck PD. Reminds me I need to update the graphs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 November, 2012, 01:17:40 pm
65kg just before bed last night.
Probably less than last weigh-in (which was clothed) despite eating like an AUK at Llandrindod, where I stayed 3 nights.
BMI now below 24.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: De Sisti on 29 November, 2012, 08:27:48 pm
I'm giving up on this. I inadvertently lost weight when taking Tramadol (TM) post September
hip resurfacing operation (to prevent the occurrence of blood clotting). I'm still on sick leave
with mobility slowing coming back, and not much to do at home to distract me from the
biscuit tin, the weight has returned with interest. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 30 November, 2012, 12:24:41 am
Not a good start and I know the reasoning behind ot so I will try and do better next week. Lost 0.5KG!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 November, 2012, 08:40:44 am
Losing half a kg is a good start. You've lost some weight. If you can lost that much every week between now and the end of 2013 you will have lost over 4 stone!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 November, 2012, 02:04:35 pm
David and I have lost about 20kg between us since the start of 2012.
We do have occasional treats and big meals but the slow progress is downwards.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 30 November, 2012, 02:16:28 pm
Not a good start and I know the reasoning behind ot so I will try and do better next week. Lost 0.5KG!

You didn't put six stone on in one go - it won't come off in one go. .5kg here and there builds up in either direction. Sone weeks you get .5 kg down, some weeks 1kg, 2kg or nothing, it is almost never a straight line downwards - look at my graphs for proof of that. Just keep it up and plod on and at .5kg a week you will be half a stone lighter by the middle of January :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 30 November, 2012, 02:40:10 pm
Some weeks you get .5 kg down, some weeks 1kg, 2kg or nothing, it is almost never a straight line downwards

Indeed. And some weeks it will even go up, but it's important not to get down about it when it happens. It's not a problem as long as the long-term trend is downwards.

d.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 30 November, 2012, 06:11:11 pm
If the long term trend is downwards, but the behaviour modifications are so difficult that the reward isn't motivating, what then?

I really wish I knew the answer to that one.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 30 November, 2012, 08:41:33 pm
I have decided to suspend my participation.

Contrary to the above I am unable to resist the temptation to report that that I have lost weight in the last two weeks.
I began to realise that I am losing weight again when I had to keep hoisting my trousers up a couple of weeks ago so weighed myself.In the last week I have had to use braces to keep my trousers up so got on the scales again this morning.
A 2kg loss.
Not too shabby at all considering I'm not even trying to lose weight.I might give the morning & afternoon Penguin bars a miss hereafter.

I have found that 2kg that I lost ::-)
I don't know where 'cos I am eating less.
I still need braces on my trousers so I really don't know what's going on :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 December, 2012, 08:46:58 am
Well, that's a monumental pain in the expanding arse. I seem to be unable to resist the lure of food at this time of year and an has heavy now as I was in February. Odd really as yesterday the scales claimed I was 1.4kg less than the claim this morning.

Perhaps I ate a housebrick in my sleep.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 December, 2012, 11:07:52 am
Confession time: No housebrick munching here but I may have had a few sneaky rounds of toast and peanut butter after I'd closed the book on MFP yesterday.

In my defence, I was 881 calories in credit after a very active day (according to MFP's calculations, so I'll conservatively round that down to 600).

It is hard (even harder than usual) to resist food at this time of year. No shame in that. Need the extra energy to keep warm, right?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 December, 2012, 01:24:15 pm
I have not been weighed of late.
My hips and waist were half an inch more last night than a fortnight ago.
Looks like I'll spend another year being 'sensible' after the festive season.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 05 December, 2012, 05:25:24 pm
so far so good, although there are too many temptations around - pastry and sweets everyday at work, visiting friends who think you can eat for three; and much less cycling compared to warm season. i usually gain 3-4kg during december which then take 3-4 months to get rid of! i wish this december would be different!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 06 December, 2012, 12:43:30 am
128.7, moving in the right direction at least but with current Amyotrophy problems physical leg movements are not good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 06 December, 2012, 06:31:55 pm
Static.  Which was disappointing.
Then I remembered exactly what we'd eaten over the weekend. We went to Sheffield1.  Four of us in the car.  I was driving and being fed cookies as we were going along.  Friday tea was a pasty, followed about two hours later by a pork pie, and finishing up with a Tesco sandwich at about midnight.  And a couple of beers.  We were staying in a Youth Hostel.  The breakfast was suitable for serious hill walking. Which I wasn't doing!  Then a large buffet lunch, ginormous fish and chips for tea and a couple more beers.  I also remember mince pies somewhere along the way. 
Sunday wasn't much better! 

So I'll call static a win for this week.

1) We were at the 'Festival of Village Carols' if you really want to know!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 12 December, 2012, 09:33:55 am
Down again.  This is a pleasing trend, which I hope will continue.  it puts my target tantalisingly back in sight, but difficult to achieve (especially over Christmas).  Maybe.  Just maybe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 December, 2012, 09:55:10 am
Given the gluttony that's gone on recently (4 curries in 4 days last Thur/Fri/Sat/Sun) a rise of a mere 0.4 kg is perhaps to be welcomed...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 12 December, 2012, 11:36:32 am
Same weight again.  Won't get back down to my target before the end of the month unless I become a hermit until January - just too many 'events' at this time of year.  If I can start the new year at least 2kg below where I started this year I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 12 December, 2012, 11:50:01 am
Have not weighed myself today because what I don't know won't hurt me.  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 12 December, 2012, 12:43:13 pm
Well, I'm done for the year. I appear to have just about achieved my tertiary adjusted objective which, despite the apparent off-the-end-ovva-cliff of the graph (a factor of it's limited time segment) sees me exit the year almost exactly the same weight as I came in. All in all, I'm happy with that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 15 December, 2012, 10:21:36 am
12lb off since I started swimming. I'd like to make it the full stone by the end of the year so I can tell the surgeon, but given it's nearly Christmas, I'm not hopeful.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 15 December, 2012, 10:24:26 am
Well done EG. Have you changed your diet, too, or is it just the extra exercise do you think?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 December, 2012, 10:31:49 am
It's seasonal meal and party time. I've been to two meals this week, have another meal tomorrow and a party on Monday.
I might revert to sensible eating after that.
No recent weigh-ins...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 15 December, 2012, 10:45:23 am
Well done EG. Have you changed your diet, too, or is it just the extra exercise do you think?
I'm trying to restrict cakes and chocolate to the weekends only.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 15 December, 2012, 11:59:09 pm
Very tiny weight loss for me at 0.8kg. Still, better than 0.8kg up I suppose. 127.9kg now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 December, 2012, 02:26:51 pm
Well done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 16 December, 2012, 03:17:19 pm
I'll start next year, no point starting now, too much food and booze  :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 December, 2012, 08:01:09 pm
I'm off the booze but the food's another matter.
Won't bother weighing myself for a while; might be quite late in January as I have two 'club meal' events and three hotel nights that month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 December, 2012, 10:03:30 pm
I'm standing firm till we go North, and then a week of watchful indulgence, followed by a week of high mileage (weather permitting) or lots of swimming, and I hope to keep my slow progress over the 12 days of feasting. Staying on the wagon can't hurt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 December, 2012, 10:34:45 pm
Suspect if I'm 'sensible' between seasonal pig-outs, I'll not gain much weight, if any. I've eaten nothing since today's turkey lunch; nor has David.

Camden Cyclists have their seasonal celebration tomorrow. I've ordered lots of food and drink for all...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on 17 December, 2012, 12:01:15 am
I may even try some cycling next year to aid some weight loss, I think I have a bike somewhere!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 17 December, 2012, 07:44:25 am
After a particularly silly evening on Saturday, MrsC and I have decided that SOMETHING MUST BE DONE about the amount we're drinking.  Let's hope we can stick to this cutting back over the festivities--or at least the quiet times between the main events--and get back onto a proper regime from the new year.  That will give us three wins: not drinking as much will be a gain in itself, should help with the weight loss, and we might save a bob or two as well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 17 December, 2012, 09:58:36 am
Dry January?

http://www.alcoholconcern.org.uk/campaign/dry-january
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 17 December, 2012, 10:10:49 am
Dry January?



That's what I'm planning with the caveat that I'll have a pint on the New Year's day ride and I'll break the fast at the bike group's end of January do.
See ? It's the cycling that makes me drink  ;)

When I did it a couple of years ago, I didn't feel any better, I didn't lose any weight and, if I saved some money, I didn't notice.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 17 December, 2012, 10:13:16 am
When I did it a couple of years ago, I didn't feel any better, I didn't lose any weight and, if saved some money, I didn't notice.

That's interesting - whenever I stop drinking for a while, I lose weight right from the start. Probably depends on how much you drink, what you drink, and how it fits in to everything else you eat, drink and do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 17 December, 2012, 10:39:11 am
I've discovered a gauranteed way of losing 1kg per week.
Illness.
Not pleasant but it is effective.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 December, 2012, 12:47:41 pm
I've discovered a gauranteed way of losing 1kg per week.
Illness.
Not pleasant but it is effective.

It might be effective but much of weight lost in illness is muscle, not fat.
This muscle and strength take a long time to recover.
GET WELL SOON!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 17 December, 2012, 03:39:15 pm

This muscle and strength take a long time to recover.


Yes indeed.I don't have the wherewithall to walk upstairs normally atm so the notion of riding 200km is a fantasy.Being unable to ride 200km ,effectively precludes any possibility of achieving long held ambitions.
It's going to be a long road back & it can't even begin yet.

thanks for the well wishes
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 December, 2012, 04:17:16 pm
I lost much weight when I had pneumonia and felt somehow I couldn't contemplate cycling until I'd regained about half my weight loss; That was about right and I became much stronger after that.
Enjoy the Feastive Season without guilt and restart exercise when you're only a few pounds short of your premorbid weight.
Don't contemplate further weight loss until you feel well.
Being a bit overweight is not usually that harmful to health; morbid obesity is another matter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 December, 2012, 04:19:15 pm
When I did it a couple of years ago, I didn't feel any better, I didn't lose any weight and, if saved some money, I didn't notice.

That's interesting - whenever I stop drinking for a while, I lose weight right from the start. Probably depends on how much you drink, what you drink, and how it fits in to everything else you eat, drink and do.

I've never been one for total abstinence but I found that cutting out casual drinking made a big difference - ie I still have the occasional pub outing but I've cut out things like routinely having a beer when I get home from work of an evening. I would find total abstinence far too difficult to adhere to.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 17 December, 2012, 04:35:52 pm
I don't have the wherewithall to walk upstairs normally atm so the notion of riding 200km is a fantasy.

So concentrate, for the time being, on getting well enough to do the stairs.  That's enough to be going on with, sometimes.  Look after yourself, m'dear  :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 17 December, 2012, 05:38:30 pm
I've never been one for total abstinence but I found that cutting out casual drinking made a big difference - ie I still have the occasional pub outing but I've cut out things like routinely having a beer when I get home from work of an evening. I would find total abstinence far too difficult to adhere to.

d.

I think the problem we have is that both MrsC and I could go total abstinence for a while, but what we want to do is a change to our regular habits.  "Moderation is true temperance" and all that. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 19 December, 2012, 09:29:05 am
As of Monday, I have started to 'underestimate' my exercise calories on MyFitnessPal.  I think that it allows too many calories for cycling, so, when I've ridden a significant distance, I could eat more than I need and it would still show as being under.  So this morning, fro example, I averaged 14.7mph, and, rather than logging that as '14-16mph', I've logged it as '12-14mph'.  Thus I have fewer calories showing, and less temptation to eat more.  I hope this works.  I think I've missed my target for the year.  Unsurprisingly, my weight has gone up this week, and is unlikely to drop again before New Year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 December, 2012, 09:49:16 am
I got a HRM last week, Clazza, and discovered the same- it seems I ride at 460kcal/hour on the tandem (we had guesstimated 500, mfp reckons even more), but my 30-40 minute ride to work is not the 350+ that endomondo was crediting me with, but a mere 200-250. A daily 30 minute session of circuit training is only (sob) 100-120 kcal.
I guess I smoulder rather than burn- RHR is about 45, (BP 110/55) and any raise through exercise very rapidly reverts to the mid 50s.

In my ongoing quest for the secret to weight loss, next year I'll be trying low carb. I'm not starting that in Mince Pie season though, that'd be torture.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 19 December, 2012, 09:53:23 am
Fair enough.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 19 December, 2012, 04:13:29 pm
Good luck with low carb Boab. I've found it really successful in the past.  :).

You are obviously using the calories far more efficiently than MFP and so on expect.

I've given up for the moment. I actually gave up about a month ago, due to feeling totally rough and not caring enough. Since we are going to be eating as many meals as I can cadge somewhere else over Christmas, it's not going to get better so I'll just have to get a grip in January. I might even feel like riding my bike a bit by then, who knows?

This week I gained 600g presumably due to meals out and take-aways, since I haven't eaten that much otherwise.

EDIT: I've just looked at my record and realised that I now weigh more than I have done since the beginning of February :facepalm:. Oh well, at least my bosom is back :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 19 December, 2012, 05:08:12 pm
Oh well, at least my bosom is back :D.

So's mine.  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 December, 2012, 05:09:34 pm
Oh well, at least my bosom is back :D.

So's mine.  :'(

Never had one; have a bit less now...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 December, 2012, 08:42:43 am
I finished the year on 114.2, almost a stone lighter than I started.

I missed my declared target for the year by 24.2kg, by which measure the year must be regarded as a failure.

However, eternal optimist that I am, at least I kept on with the weekly weighing, missing only 4 weeks when I was away and therefore had no scales available. Without the constant awareness that that brought, I doubt that I would have kept my weight down to what it is.

Next year's targets:

1. Week-on-week, to weigh less than I did in 2012.

2. To lose another stone.

3. To get down to 100kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 26 December, 2012, 09:08:02 am
I finished the year on 114.2, almost a stone lighter than I started.

I missed my declared target for the year by 24.2kg, by which measure the year must be regarded as a failure.

Next year's targets:

1. Week-on-week, to weigh less than I did in 2012.

2. To lose another stone.

3. To get down to 100kg.

Well done,  I also missed my target by 12 kg.  My targets are similar but to get down to 95kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 December, 2012, 10:13:18 am
Despite spending most of the year fretting about my weight, at least 12 weeks starting every day with half an hour of aerobics, months of feeling deprived, and then guilty about failing to stick to it, generally, a miserable relationship with food, riding 12,278km, I weigh 2.7kg more than at the start.
Fuck off.
(that's a "Fuck off" to the world generally, and is in no way a comment on those who have success to celebrate in this thread)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 26 December, 2012, 11:37:25 am
You forgot to mention the broken bone and resultant time off the bike and on the cake there, boabacca.  I know it is only one factor, but it didn't help you, did it?

Out of curiousity, I just plotted my very haphazrd weight over the last few years.  I weigh myself very intermittently, when I go to our mum's house and remember to, since she owns scales.
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314637_10151282477566839_612942401_n.jpg)

That's roughly 13kg dropped between the 2010 Easter Arrow (the first at which I provided cake and which was the day after me and the EldestCub's first 'big' ride) and the 2010 Dun Run.  I rode loads, and tracked calories, and was highly motivated to shed weight so that Wow didn't drop the tandem with me on the back of it and so that I could make it to the end of the FNRttC to Cleethorpes.

Back up gradually when I stopped tracking in the Autumn and over winter up to Christmas 2010, although not to where it was.  January 2011 and I started riding winter miles and dropping weight steadily through to the summer.  Then a burglary, separation, broken bone and several months off the bike and back up it went.

January '12 and it plummeted alarmingly due to a never before encountered symptom of stress i.e. loss of appetite, verging on inability to eat.  Not a recommended method of dropping 8 or 9 kg in a couple of weeks, that - it was really rather unpleasant.  I actually started calorie tracking again for a while for the first time since the Dun Run, in order to make myself eat more, and it mostly dropped a bit more steadily for a month or two before stabilising at and around the 100kg mark. 

Crept up again over this autumn/winter which isn't surprising given how little I've ridden really.  But even now I weigh about 10kg less than I did the day I got my bike.  And about 14 or 15 less than at my heaviest, 10 years back.

The 13kg I lost in 2010 was possibly only the second time in my life that I deliberately set out to lose weight and track/monitor what I weigh and what I ate - the previous time was when I was a teenager, and asked the GP to refer me to a dietician.  I was quite nervous about the Dun Run mind, and was doing lots of 'training' rides with the Cub before his "Big Ride" to Barrow in Furness as well as swimming lots. 

Looking at that graph, it shows me that when I track I lose weight.  Or, more probably, when I lose weight I track.  Looking back at photos from the last 10 years, I can see that I lose weight when I a) am doing loads of exercise and b) am happy.  The happiness and the exercise are very related, I reckon - in a virtuous circle kind of way.

Guess I need to ride m'bike more...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 26 December, 2012, 01:06:26 pm
I've had success with alternate day fasting,  but have stopped for a the festive/feasting period. Not measuring weight for a couple of weeks,  based on hiding my head in the sand, for now I'm just going by belt notch.
Went from 81kg to 67kg, but am going up for Xmas. Cycle commuting and ADF will return on 2nd Jan.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 December, 2012, 01:42:20 pm
I have not been weighed of late. Tis the eating season, though I've only over-indulged a little.
I will leave 2012 a good stone lighter than I entered it.
I am lighter than I was when I bought the scales in 1982.
That will do for now.
I hope to lose more weight next year but might not weigh myself for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 26 December, 2012, 09:37:52 pm
Steady progress this year.  Lost 8.6kg - 1.8kg short of my target, but I got safely below 90kg, I'm pleased to say.

Target for next year will be 80kg, but I'd be happy with getting and staying under 85kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 December, 2012, 10:06:44 pm
Net loss of 5kg over the year. Can't complain about that, though I finish the year 3kg up on my minimum.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 27 December, 2012, 07:43:33 am
Lost 17kgs then put 7 of them back on again :(

back on it again in the new year.  eat less and move more.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 December, 2012, 12:36:44 pm
Waist 29"/ 74cm.
4"/10cm down on year.

Hips have reduced similarly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 27 December, 2012, 01:32:09 pm
Three pounds loss between the first and last weigh ins for this year, so let's call that stable.
Considering what the year's been like--away from home three days a week since April, so lots of pub meals and far too little cycling--that's probably a 'win' but not by much.  Next year will have to involve...
eat drink less and move more.
...but I will have MrsC on board with this, so it shouldn't be too hard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 28 December, 2012, 11:54:58 pm
I've had a slight rise over the Christmas Festipigoutal so am at 128.1 again. This is still about 9kg more than I was a year or so ago so I have to make the New Years Resolution of "Getting my act together a bit" and stop taking the easy option in everything.
Good luck to all :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 29 December, 2012, 12:19:40 pm
I didn't bother tracking my weight in 2012. All in all, it was a crap year for many reasons - not least injury and illness - and cycling, fitness and weight all suffered. 2013 will be different. I want to take a bit more charge of my life in many respects. 82 kg is the aim by the end of the year - that's about 10kg less than now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 December, 2012, 05:33:47 pm
Thank you for the new thread, boabacca!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 December, 2012, 08:29:33 pm
Spare a thought for the father of the 30 year old anorexic doctor, who weighed 23kg when she died earlier in the year.
I am nearly three times that weight, the weight I was when I was in my first year at junior school. (I weighed half a stone for every year between 5 and 14.)
Eating disorders can be terrible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: John Henry on 29 December, 2012, 08:37:23 pm
Spare a thought for the father of the 30 year old anorexic doctor, who weighed 23kg when she died earlier in the year.
I am nearly three times that weight, the weight I was when I was in my first year at junior school. (I weighed half a stone for every year between 5 and 14.)
Eating disorders can be terrible.

I saw him interviewed on the TV yesterday. A heartbreaking story.

I had a fairly low mileage year in 2012, but my weight has stayed fairly stable. It needs to be a little lower. I've set my target weight loss at 9kg by the end of the year, though I'd probably be happy with 5.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 30 December, 2012, 03:03:46 pm
Thank you for the new thread, boabacca!

+1
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 30 December, 2012, 03:39:12 pm
Also +1 to boabacca--I need to do more about my weight next year and this will help.

I have decided to set a modest target (with the hope that I can do better).
I'd like to be back to the minimum weight I was in 2010.  That's still 20 lb above my all time (since I started cycling again) minimum, but I don't want to dishearten myself before I start!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 30 December, 2012, 06:42:49 pm
I've done the research, I've tried other things and have decided to go 'Low Carb' next year.
I have no idea how I'm going to manage that while audaxing.
Has anyone done Low Carb, and if so, what did you eat when you were out & about?
(Butterfly- I'm looking at you!)

And yes simonp- this is YAFD.  ::-) I've got to try everything in the hope something will work. Calories in calories out only works if you can stick to it, and clearly, I can't.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 30 December, 2012, 07:12:31 pm
Bought some scales t'other day. Working for a cake business for the past 6 months has added 4lbs which is not good. Aim to lose 8lb by the end of Feb to be back to 10 stone bang on like in 2011.

I only cycled 2400 miles this year. Have set myself 3,500 next year and some duathlon challenges.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pippa on 30 December, 2012, 07:20:54 pm
I've only ever managed low carb for about a week at a time as it made me feel quite faint and dizzy but it was effective and having simple rules to not eat bread, pasta and potatoes are easy to follow, and i like simple rules like that so i don't  have to think about the other bits. I eventually found that avoiding bread and pasta was the most effective. Potatoes and rice didn't seem to do me too much harm weight wise.

Most available snacks and food that is available to buy on the go seems to focus around bread or crisps, so I used to buy sandwiches, eat the filling and chuck away the bread. It took willpower to do that though. From supermarkets those tubs of sandwich fillers are a lowish carb option. Celery stick with a cream cheese works as well for a snack. In pubs, i just used to try and stick to the rules of no bread, pasta and potatoes. Unfortunately lots of things come with those which does make it difficult. Get a pint of water from the bar and liberally throw it over the things you are not supposed to eat, especially chips. That was the only way I found to not eat them as I didn't have the willpower to ignore them.

When I did low carb, I didn't follow it too religiously whilst cycling and I still lost weight. The problem of course was when I stopped low carb and went back to eating carbs, all the weight went back on. Sigh.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 30 December, 2012, 08:04:40 pm
I managed low carb when out by having steak/chicken with vegetables - most pubs can manage that! I wasn't really cycling much at the time, but I was horse riding and so on a lot. At home, I restricted myself to 1 slice of bread a day and ate a lot of the same things. My diet was pretty limited because the only meat I eat is chicken breast and steak. I sometimes had poached egg. It is much easier to do if you like more meat (and I think you do! ;)) and fish. I think it needs to be coupled with low fat/calorie intake as well. If you eat as much green veg as you possibly can, it helps :). I did have a diet sheet from a Harley St Doctor, but it is extremely restrictive (if effective).

Per day:

Green veg
3 tomatoes
1 slice of bread
1 low fat yoghurt
lump of meat (about the size of a steak or a chicken breast) or fish
piece of cheese (edam, gouda, brie or camenbert)
I think I drank skimmed milk in tea, but I'm not sure it was on the list.

That is all I can remember, there were possibly other bits that I didn't like. I used to have marmite on toast for breakfast, salad for lunch with the cheese and then meat and green veg for dinner (or the other way round). It wasn't exciting, but it was pretty easy! I kept it up for months. I drank tea, coffee, diet drinks and water.

Good luck.  :)
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 30 December, 2012, 08:49:49 pm
I've got to try everything in the hope something will work. Calories in calories out only works if you can stick to it, and clearly, I can't.

i sincerely hope you will achieve your targets next year. reading about the struggle to stick to a diet, i wonder if there are any foods in your diet that contain msg, yeast extract or similar vile ingredients? they play havoc with our brain and make us think that we are hungry even when we're not. it may not be easy to avoid "bad" food whe you are out and about, but at least at home it's important to ensure that everyday food ingredients are raw, natural and healthy (which abundant mass consumption food, sadly, isn't..)
Title: Re: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 31 December, 2012, 08:24:33 am
I wonder if there are any foods in your diet that contain msg, yeast extract or similar vile ingredients?
I «heart» marmite. But I don't think my love of yeast extract and msg is anywhere near as detrimental as my love of bread, sugar and more sugar.
There's a limit to how much I'm willing to restrict what's in the house, that's a bit unfair on No2Son who at 16years & 172cm weighs around 60kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 31 December, 2012, 09:24:13 am
In for a penny etc. Dont mention the pounds(weight).
For the last 10 years I have struggled with excess weight, even when piling on the miles in 2011.
Too many business meetings with ad-lib food available and too many nights away from home has led to a serious gain over the last 12 months. Added to that my motivation levels have been so low that my cycling and other exercise has been pretty minimal.
I now think it is affecting my knees, so something has to be done.
The target date is when we have booked a holiday and I want to enjoy it. End of.
Expect a slow start due to backlog of food from Xmas but hope that posting on here will focus my attention, or at least divert it from snacking.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 31 December, 2012, 10:07:33 am
Thank you for the new thread, boabacca!

+1

Lost 17 kg's and have now found 7 of them over the festive season.  less in, more exercise.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 01 January, 2013, 11:01:10 pm
Hmm, I was doing well until I finished my big tour last year and lost all motivation.

I'm back in for another year. Hopefully I'll hang on longer this year than last.

This year I'm going to stick with the myfitnesspal diary as it's the only thing that has ever seemed to work for me, and following on from reading the hacker's diet (http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/e4/) book* I'm going to try trending on a 7 day average weight which should hopefully stop me giving up in the face of a few positive weigh ins and hiding from the scales like I usually do :-[


*not really a diet but more a way of explaining things to scientists and engineers in terms we are used to.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pippa on 02 January, 2013, 09:55:38 am
OK it's time I published my efforts (or lack thereof) in the hope it forces me to take weight loss a bit more seriously. I started last year my heaviest ever (88kg) and lost a couple through watching what I ate for a bit, then another couple through alternate day fasting later in the year. I then lost another 8kg during November when I was travelling in Thailand, through significantly less alcohol i.e. basically none, and I was being fed rice 3 times a day, which isn't my favourite. I've put 2kg back on over xmas  ::-) so now it's time to try again for real this time.

Being 10kg down already on what I was last year, and the lightest (ha!) I've been in the last 3 years might work as a motivator. Hopefully Dry January might help, in combination with eating less and more healthy (my OH has basically become pescatarian so we're eating a lot of fish and veggies now, rather than meat), plus more exercise. I don't really snack anyway and I don't like chocolate much so there are no "easy" cuts I can make apart from booze, so I'm also going to have to learn to limit portion sizes.

If I ever get to goal then I'm allowed to buy a new bike. Fingers crossed.

Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 January, 2013, 10:09:32 am
I've already lost 1kg thanks to the vagaries of our bathroom scales!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: shyumu on 02 January, 2013, 11:17:32 am
I'm in.

Last year (2012) I reached 72.5kg in June, down from 97kg in December 2011.  Then between June and December I bounced back to over 90kg.  It was a slow bounce.  Anyhue; I'm going to lose it again using the same technique I used last time - a technique which I use in cycling... I'm logging everything I do.  I use a commercial website and when I do actually use it I lose weight and when I stop using it and try to eat sensibly I usually get it wrong.

I've signed up for the BCM in May and hope to get as close to my target weight as poss by then.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 02 January, 2013, 11:24:40 am
Started this year 2kg less than this time last year, and just below my upper limit.  Unfortunately, I'm still 5kg above where I'd like to be.  Lot's of work to do, but I know my target is achievable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 January, 2013, 11:26:05 am
I just had a look through 2012 logging before it gets cast adrift.  I thought that about half of the posters didn't complete the year, but it's more like two thirds who didn't get to November.  I know I'm a bit of a quitter, so I'm going to try to stick with it again.

My starting weight was done 31/12/2012, and I've lost 1kg from that. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 02 January, 2013, 11:41:08 am
I am bloody useless at sticking to this sort of thing, so I am doubly determined to make a difference this year. Got every gadget I can find monitoring weight etc, so no excuses!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 02 January, 2013, 11:44:31 am
I'm doing LEL this year, and dragging 127kg around the UK doesn't appeal to me, so I need to lose some before the ride starts.

I dislike being this large, hopefully I can actually stick at losing it this time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 January, 2013, 12:21:32 pm
I added the 2013 thread to the graphing script and by some miracle it still seems to work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 January, 2013, 12:37:00 pm
Well done. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 January, 2013, 01:13:32 pm
I lost about 7kg last year without entering the weight chart. I'd like to lose the same this year, then stabilise. We'll see.
Still to come:
Three days in Christchurch, hotelling and eating with Davids Dad. (Jan 6-8)
Edgware CTC New Year Dinner (Jan 13)
WOLAS Dinner (Jan 28)
Nephew's Bar Mitzvah (Feb 16)

I like eating!
Realistically, I can't see a huge weight loss for a few weeks but I'll try to be sensible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 January, 2013, 01:19:37 pm
I like eating!

This, ultimately, is the root of my problem.

I recall, after one particularly good lunch at my parents', when my older brother was visiting, my mother had prepared a superb meal of something-or-other. After eating my fill I remarked how food the food was and added "There's very little I enjoy more than stuffing myself!"

My brother retorted "I prefer stuffing other people." His wife made no comment but his preference could explain why he's 11 stone or so and Im 6 stone heavier, despite him being a god inch taller than I am.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 January, 2013, 01:21:00 pm
I like eating!

This, ultimately, is the root of my problem.

I recall, after one particularly good lunch at my parents', when my older brother was visiting, my mother had prepared a superb meal of something-or-other. After eating my fill I remarked how food the food was and added "There's very little I enjoy more than stuffing myself!"

My brother retorted "I prefer stuffing other people." His wife made no comment but his preference could explain why he's 11 stone or so and Im 6 stone heavier, despite him being a god inch taller than I am.

You must tell us which one that is.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 January, 2013, 01:26:22 pm
I like eating!

This, ultimately, is the root of my problem.

I recall, after one particularly good lunch at my parents', when my older brother was visiting, my mother had prepared a superb meal of something-or-other. After eating my fill I remarked how food the food was and added "There's very little I enjoy more than stuffing myself!"

My brother retorted "I prefer stuffing other people." His wife made no comment but his preference could explain why he's 11 stone or so and Im 6 stone heavier, despite him being a god inch taller than I am.

You must tell us which one that is.

The one that moves in mysterious ways its wonders to perform, quite obviously.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 02 January, 2013, 01:26:58 pm
I like eating!

This, ultimately, is the root of my problem.

I recall, after one particularly good lunch at my parents', when my older brother was visiting, my mother had prepared a superb meal of something-or-other. After eating my fill I remarked how food the food was and added "There's very little I enjoy more than stuffing myself!"

My brother retorted "I prefer stuffing other people." His wife made no comment but his preference could explain why he's 11 stone or so and Im 6 stone heavier, despite him being a god inch taller than I am.

You must tell us which one that is.

Begging the question 'how many god particles you need to line up to get a god inch?'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 02 January, 2013, 02:43:53 pm
Well that should be some motivation I suppose - I apparently have the highest BMI of all the participants :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 January, 2013, 03:40:35 pm
Well that should be some motivation I suppose - I apparently have the highest BMI of all the participants :-[

Oooh look SimonP has joined in so I won't have the lowest BMI of the yacf slimming club!
Point is all are welcome, however much or little weight is going.
Losing the last few kg can be difficult...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 02 January, 2013, 07:06:09 pm
Well, 2012 saw me finish the year pretty much the same as I went in. The vertiginous graph is only because it just shows 6 months, I'm actually quite happy with that. 2013 is where those cussed extra Kg finally go.

But tonight..... we eat drink and be merry.

oops.

Ah well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rr on 02 January, 2013, 10:29:08 pm
My end of year chart:
(http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad8/richsafham/yacf/Libra_2012-12-31_zps59b8297c.png)
Christmas festivities taken their toll this month, must get back on track.
The two spikes in the last week corresponded to roast ham dinners, the wonders of salt and water.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 03 January, 2013, 11:29:43 am
What software are you keeping that chart in rr? That's the sort of graph (with ties from the point to the trend) which I've been trying to persuade excel to do without success.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 03 January, 2013, 11:36:51 am
What software are you keeping that chart in rr? That's the sort of graph (with ties from the point to the trend) which I've been trying to persuade excel to do without success.

If you want to create a trend in excel, the easiest way is to use a moving average, for example if you do a daily weigh, use a 30 day average.  EG if your data is in column A, in column b in row 30 your formula is =AVERAGE(A1:A30)/30 and copy down. From thereon, that will show the dynamic trend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 03 January, 2013, 11:43:23 am
Thanks Ham.

I've currently got a 7-day rolling average set up and a similar 7 day moving average trendline on the graph. I was after a way of tieing all the points to the trendline as in rr's example (just wanting a pretty picture really).

Actually I'm wondering what the /30 does. Surely =AVERAGE(A1:A30) gives the mean of the dataset, similar to =SUM(A1:A30)/30 ???

Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 03 January, 2013, 11:45:56 am
You don't need the "/30" bit of that formula - it's implicit in the AVERAGE function. [edit: cross posted]

But basically that's exactly what I do in my excel chart, except I use a 14-day average.

There's also a trend line function in Excel graphs, which you can use to predict ahead. There are several different types of trend line available - it's polynomial you need for this purpose, iirc.

d.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 03 January, 2013, 11:52:01 am
I was after a way of tieing all the points to the trendline as in rr's example (just wanting a pretty picture really).

Presumably, if it's possible, it will be a formatting option?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 03 January, 2013, 11:59:17 am
Ah yes.... that's a left over from my normal way of doing things which is to sum and divide, because of the different way nulls are handled...... doh.

(average will leave out a null entry)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 03 January, 2013, 04:35:14 pm
Today I has been up the loft and thrown out all my old fat git clothes. Gulp.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 03 January, 2013, 04:42:30 pm
:thumbsup:  You ain't gonna need 'em again :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Tigerrr on 04 January, 2013, 10:45:19 am
I have just joined the weight loss charting community, as I have ballooned in the last couple of years and its got to be sorted out.  Is the weight input page content a string of code for everyone? Or is there a way to make the input side of it a bit more user friendly - like in an excel sheet or similar? I think I am looking at it in perhaps the wrong software or something?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 January, 2013, 11:04:02 am
I'm afraid it is just a tedious string of code. I may have started this (& last) years threads, but I didn't write it, it's just a carry over from time immemorial.
Each week I struggle to find the right place to put the depressing data in. It's part of the hair shirt process, I think.
I should point out that you need to modify your original post with the button at the lower right of the post, rather than the "modify" at the top, otherwise it can go screwy.
Wowbagger did try a simplified version last year, but Simonp's graphs use the current code so changing it would mean a rewrite for him.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Emily on 04 January, 2013, 12:26:38 pm
Well, I've joined too.  I've put on half a stone in 2012, and I wasn't particularly svelte then either...  The plan: eat better, cycle more, keep track.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 04 January, 2013, 12:41:21 pm
I was feeling rather smug when I posted my start weight on Wednesday.  Managed to lose a little over Christmas--that's not bad!  :smug:
Last night MrsC asks "do you think these scales are working properly?"  :facepalm:

New batteries.  We'll have to keep an eye on them.  And I will be updating the other thread with the new 'best estimate'.  Sigh.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 04 January, 2013, 03:23:01 pm
I got a Food Flask for Christmas (one of those short dumpy thermos flasks with a wide opening) so I thought I'd try out using that for lunch instead of eating in the staff canteen.

Unlike previous flasks, this one actually works at keeping things properly hot until lunch :) meaning I had a nice hot bowl of chicken stew when I poured it out.

Hopefully now I can properly track lunch as well as the rest of my meals as I think I was being rather optimistic with the values for the canteen food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 05 January, 2013, 08:06:46 am
Well I am back in not at my highest weight ever (that was 22 stone) but at 2 stone more than I was in the summer.

It isn't good not exercising (a total of 40 miles since the middle of September) will do when you add it to an "inability" to stay away from fat/fried food.

My goal for the year: any weight loss would be nice.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Psychler on 08 January, 2013, 11:50:27 am
Hmmmm! 

Started my weight loss campaign by guessing at my weight [140kg] as my scales don't go higher than 130kg and the last time I was weighed properly I was 140.

Either stupidly or cleverly, I then bought some scales that go up to 200kg. 

So I have now amended my initial weigh in figure to ..... 157.4 kg.  My heaviest ever!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 January, 2013, 05:38:20 pm
Seems some posters here have large amounts of weight to lose.
This must seem really daunting. Well, it's a l-o-o-o-o-n-g journey. Start with a single step (or half kilo) and KEEP GOING!
There will be some weeks when you don't have any weight loss about which to be proud; this doesn't matter. You will have to be mindful about most of your eating for months and look at the big picture.
Weight loss IS possible; if I can succeed, albeit slowly, anyone can.
And I enjoy the occasional 'big meal out'.

Good Luck Everyone!
Persistence Pays Off!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: shyumu on 08 January, 2013, 07:05:44 pm
^^^
+1

Dig in.  (Oops.. I mean don't dig in!)
 O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 January, 2013, 08:10:55 pm
Habits and portion control are my watchwords.
Gone are the croissants I had most days.
I still have mayonnaise but by the teaspoon, not the tablespoon.
I've not given up chocolate but limit it to two segments of Chocolate Orange (or equivalent) per day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 January, 2013, 08:33:37 pm
My house contains no mayonnaise. It does contain chilli sauce, which is a weight loss product IMO.  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 January, 2013, 08:49:50 pm
David doesn't eat food that's too hot and has only recently stopped taking nocturnal snacks for 4am munchies. He's down to 63kg.
Title: Re: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rr on 08 January, 2013, 11:12:07 pm
What software are you keeping that chart in rr? That's the sort of graph (with ties from the point to the trend) which I've been trying to persuade excel to do without success.
I use libra - an  android app. The trend line is an exponentially weighted moving mean as described in the hacker's diet (Google it).
There is a libre office addin that this calculation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 09 January, 2013, 09:29:00 am
What software are you keeping that chart in rr? That's the sort of graph (with ties from the point to the trend) which I've been trying to persuade excel to do without success.
I use libra - an  android app. The trend line is an exponentially weighted moving mean as described in the hacker's diet (Google it).
There is a libre office addin that this calculation.

Thanks.

It's the Hacker's diet that gave me the idea of tracking that way. At some point I will get round to setting up the exponentially weighted moving mean, but a rolling 7 day average seems to be working ok so far (I may change this to a 10 day average now I have 10 points to work with)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 09 January, 2013, 09:36:50 am
Well, 1.3kg since Saturday is an okay start. That takes me to below 130kg, so one target met. Next target, 125kg and then 120kg etc. Small steps at a time eh!  ;D

As for cycling/exercise... cleaned the gym out on Sunday (okay, its really the garage but we have a multigym, rowing machine, turbo and running machine in there) and have started to use it again. As for miles on the road, I seem to have lost my mojo a little as I am a little worried about going out: I know I will be way slower than last year hence doubt I can cycle in the way I like to. A ride to Penkridge and back (about 15 miles) and one to the shops is all I have managed so far this week.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 09 January, 2013, 09:39:10 am
I'm losing weight.  Negatively :(

Ah well, there are bound to be ups and downs.  Let's get clear of the season of excess, and see if it settles down a bit.  At least I'm still lower than at NYE.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 09 January, 2013, 09:52:27 am
A decent first week for Boab and me; both dropped a couple of Kg - but that'll be mostly water.

We're trying something different - we've both found that there's more to the world than just Calories In/Calories Out, particularly when you're an audaxer. Boab craves sugar, I crave ethanol - so we've quit both and we're embracing the world of Fat.

There's much to be said for double cream, bacon, full fat mayo and oily fish, not to mention full fat salad dressings and high fibre low carb veggies.

It's the 9th today, and I've still not eaten this year, as much carbohydrate as I would have had in a day previously.

Our new heroes are Robert Lustig, Gary Taubes and Peter Attia.

Our performance on the bike(s) has plummeted - we're assured this is temporary. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: shyumu on 09 January, 2013, 09:58:31 am
On target in week one.  But my eating is tied to my self-control and I am still not 100% happy that I'm avoiding the eating 'landmines' of cheese and chocolate.  I am learning a new phrase, "no, thank you, I don't actually like cheese."  It might not be 100% true; but in a virtuous circle it might become true.  Same for chocolate.  It is only by reeducating myself and changing my behaviour deliberately that lasting change occurs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 January, 2013, 05:50:24 pm
Our performance on the bike(s) has plummeted ...
Blimey! These two have a sense of balance. It gives a completely different meaning to the expression "trackstand".  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 09 January, 2013, 07:39:52 pm
I have lost 2lbs since Jan 1st, so ahead of schedule to lose 8 lbs by the end of Feb. 25% complete and trousers already fitting better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 09 January, 2013, 11:40:39 pm
Only down 0.9kg thuis week but it feels like a real drop, not just water. I made a few "Official Changes" after the weekend and I hope they'll start to show in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 January, 2013, 11:45:54 pm
Every little helps!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 January, 2013, 11:47:04 pm
Today I finished the last of the Christmas Stilton. There's still a big wedge of top quality Cheddar left.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2013, 11:47:58 pm
I’m up 1kg. I’ll assume that’s water.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 January, 2013, 11:48:53 pm
Mine's beer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 January, 2013, 11:52:04 pm
I've not been weighed.
David is out and I need his help for weighing.
I doubt there'll have been much change given a three night hotel stay but otherwise modest eating.
Will post a weight when I get one.
There WILL be weight loss - eventually...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 10 January, 2013, 10:15:49 am
Up 1 kilo since the last weighing :(

Really need to get my eating under control after Christmas. It's all "Oh there's just this bit left to finish off", "Can't throw that away, have to eat it".

I'm fighting between my ingrained "Never waste food" response, and not eating stuff I really really like that only comes around once a year (like Christmas pudding) and the need to lose weight because I'm almost the heaviest I've ever been.

Can't somebody invent a pill that will just turn my appetite off please.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 January, 2013, 11:13:45 am
Can't somebody invent a pill that will just turn my appetite off please.

Can't offer you a pill, but I'm finding a low carb, high fat diet (still calorie restricted) is a great way of staving off hunger. Bit spendy in food, and requires more kitchen prep (Carbs are generally more convenient, not to mention processed) but I'm finding I can manage on fewer, smaller meals, and don't get the munchies like I do on a regular high carb diet.

I believe other low carb diets (Paleo, South Beach, Atkins) also claim greater satiety.

Without the regular pangs of hunger you get when on the blood-sugar roller-coaster that is the standard high carb diet, I'm told it's possible to actually forget to eat.

Veggies and Vegans need not apply  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 10 January, 2013, 12:19:14 pm
This is going to be harder than I wanted it to be.
Despite cycling 45, 14 and 20 miles on consecutive days this week and being more aware of what I have been eating, my weight has stayed the same. Apart from one pub meal of sausage ,egg and chips , I have avoided junk food.
Must try harder, especially when surrounded by work colleagues ,who seem to use the expenses acount as an excuse for an all night drinkathon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Tigerrr on 11 January, 2013, 02:40:33 pm
I am losing no weight at all, despite weighing myself daily and plotting it on a spreadsheet. I must be missing something.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 January, 2013, 03:26:41 pm
I reckon it was water, I was down 2kg this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 16 January, 2013, 08:13:14 am
Sigh.  Static.  At least it's not an increase.
We do still seem to be eating up the festive excess though.  My rolls for today's lunch contain the last of the French cheese in the hamper from our nephew, for instance.
And why did MrsC make chocolate shortbread over the weekend?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 16 January, 2013, 09:53:26 am
Same here. Last of the christmas stuff has gone and at least its not an increase.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 16 January, 2013, 09:54:43 am
Surprisingly down 800g this week, earlier in the week things were going badly so I'm wondering how much of that loss was really water. Still, I'm almost back down to the weight I was on the 1st January last year :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 16 January, 2013, 09:58:48 am
Static as well. :(

Having cake at work yesterday wasn't a good idea :-[

Mind you, after a not-very-active weekend camping interspersed with indulgent eating, I'm pleased that the number wasn't higher (extra commuting miles notwithstanding).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 January, 2013, 10:02:27 am
Steady reduction here. Keeping to the ketogenic diet (<50g of carbs a day - generally around 20g, moderate amount of protein, say 1.5g per kilo of lean mass, and the rest, dietary fat) is somewhat easier now I have a weekly meal-plan.

A few berries swimming in a lake of double cream still seems like a rather strange breakfast though  ???.

Being off the booze (Dry January) is helping too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2013, 10:07:34 am
Down 1.3kg this week. No especial effort to eat less, apart from on Monday when I had my Pilates class (Pilates is best approached on an empty stomach in my experience) but I have been doing lots of miles in cold conditions. I suppose one burns quite a lot more calories just to keep warm when cycling in temperatures not much above freezing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 16 January, 2013, 10:32:45 am
Well I'm pretty much static. I suppose I must have lost the weight I was going to lose easily through cutting booze back in September (approx. 5kg lost by end of December). Now my body is used to no booze, my weight has stabilised but there's plenty of fat round my midriff I still need rid of.

May need a change of diet, and more exercise to lose much more I suspect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 17 January, 2013, 12:27:35 pm
Sigh. Managed to put on about half a kilo this week despite trying. It does seem that I can not lose weight without exercising and currently my body is not playing along with that idea as most of this week I have had bad knee pain, followed by hip and back pain.

I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 17 January, 2013, 12:38:12 pm
I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!

Go for it. It's a shame you don't live near here - I've never seen such a variety of body shapes as those displayed at Brixton leisure centre on Wednesday afternoons! I'm sure it was hard for some of them to get out there the first time, but nobody pays the slightest attention. Anyone who is bothered by the shape of other swimmers is really not worth worrying about. Just go!  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 January, 2013, 02:51:28 pm
I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!

Go for it. It's a shame you don't live near here - I've never seen such a variety of body shapes as those displayed at Brixton leisure centre on Wednesday afternoons! I'm sure it was hard for some of them to get out there the first time, but nobody pays the slightest attention. Anyone who is bothered by the shape of other swimmers is really not worth worrying about. Just go!  :)

Up to a point, ma'am!

I would worry about those swimmers that are Great White Shark-shaped were I to be adjacent to them, but I'll grant you that that would be unlikely in a Brighton swimming pool.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 January, 2013, 03:36:29 pm
I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!

Go for it. Completely agree with Butterfly. You have nothing to be ashamed of. IME, public swimming pools don't seem to attract the kind of body fascist idiots you get in gyms. And even if they did, fuck them.

Wowbagger, people will only get annoyed with you in public pools if you swim in the wrong lane (eg slow swimmer in fast lane) and thus get in their way. Follow the lane etiquette and no one will care what you look like.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 17 January, 2013, 03:54:18 pm
I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!

Go for it. Completely agree with Butterfly. You have nothing to be ashamed of. IME, public swimming pools don't seem to attract the kind of body fascist idiots you get in gyms. And even if they did, fuck them.

Wowbagger, people will only get annoyed with you in public pools if you swim in the wrong lane (eg slow swimmer in fast lane) and thus get in their way. Follow the lane etiquette and no one will care what you look like.

d.

But do wear some clothes. ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 17 January, 2013, 03:57:00 pm
Another vote for go for it. When I first decided to do something about my weight (weighing in over 21st at the time (don't know how much more, that was the top of the scales :-[) I started with walking, but very quickly decided to try swimming.

I found the walk from the changing area to the pool terrifying, but once in the water it felt more comfortable as I could sort of hide my body under the surface. Soon I started to get more comfortable, especially as there were other fat people there swimming as well and it got easier to deal with, meaning I started to enjoy myself more. It's a shame there isn't really decent swimming provision round me at the moment.

Also individual weighings can be massively affected by salt intake, or even eating a meal later in the day so it isn't through the body by the time you go to weigh yourself. I've found it is a lot more comforting to record daily weights in a spreadsheet, and then use a 7 or 10 day rolling average weight to try and iron out the noise and show whether the weight is sensibly going up or down. (I had a range of about 2kg in my weighings last week)

I really advise reading this website, more specifically the 'signal & noise' and 'weight monitoring' sections: -
http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/e4/

It's not a diet as such (though it does do some calorie counting if you read some of the later chapters - I haven't really), more an process monitoring approach to tracking weight loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 January, 2013, 05:31:07 pm
I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!

Go for it. Completely agree with Butterfly. You have nothing to be ashamed of. IME, public swimming pools don't seem to attract the kind of body fascist idiots you get in gyms. And even if they did, fuck them.

Wowbagger, people will only get annoyed with you in public pools if you swim in the wrong lane (eg slow swimmer in fast lane) and thus get in their way. Follow the lane etiquette and no one will care what you look like.

d.

I was being literal. In my book if something is Great White Shark shaped it's probably a GWS (!) and i don't want to be sharing a pool with it.

Take it from me that I have no trouble whatever with body image and there are many photographs on websites showing me cycling around London with nothing on but a tilley had and some cycling mitts.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 January, 2013, 05:56:42 pm
I was being literal. In my book if something is Great White Shark shaped it's probably a GWS (!) and i don't want to be sharing a pool with it.

Fair enough.  ;D

Quote
Take it from me that I have no trouble whatever with body image

Indeed, I would have realised that if I'd thought it through.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 23 January, 2013, 09:06:00 am
In spite of a rather unhealthy (though fun) weekend, I've managed to get my weight back down, and to a new Wednesday low!  Not sure how I've managed it without cycling, but I'm not complaining.  I really do need to get my eating back under control, overall I'm eating too much and most of that is rubbish.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 January, 2013, 09:42:59 am
Up this week, which isn't surprising because my 25-mile-a-day cycling habit has dwindled to very little in the cold and ice.

I'm still lighter than I was this time last year, although not by as much as I would like.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 23 January, 2013, 09:59:09 am
Down ever so slightly.  I hope this is a trend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 23 January, 2013, 10:10:19 am
Didn't get chance to weigh myself this morning, so I'll update it tonight. After the week I've had I'm expecting an upward move though :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 23 January, 2013, 11:27:21 am
UP a poundish,  not really suprised with the total lack of cycling or walking,  need to improve my work/life/exercise balance.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 23 January, 2013, 11:54:35 am
I've found it is a lot more comforting to record daily weights in a spreadsheet, and then use a 7 or 10 day rolling average weight to try and iron out the noise and show whether the weight is sensibly going up or down. (I had a range of about 2kg in my weighings last week)


I think I'll start doing this, instead of a weekly panic/starve to make my target.  It will give a more realistic trendline.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 23 January, 2013, 12:37:31 pm
I'm up just over 1/2 a kilo, however I did weigh myself after breakfast...  :facepalm:

Will try again tomorrow morning, before breakfast this time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 January, 2013, 01:23:57 pm
Same weight for last fortnight BUT I have lost my January kilogram.
If I just lose a kilo per month, I'll be two stone lighter by the end of the year.

My waist and hips are down another half-inch.
I think that's OK.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 23 January, 2013, 01:24:34 pm
Static for the third week in a row.
But, I've not been on the bike since I last weighed, and we did have Pringles and chocolate cake over the weekend. This weekend it will be small packs of 'diet' snacks and crumpets. And with any luck the bike will be back out before next Wednesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 January, 2013, 10:02:08 pm
Last Wednesday, 73.1kg, Saturday 69.9kg, today 71.4kg. Change is the only constant.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: howieduck on 23 January, 2013, 10:56:46 pm
I've been in the hospital for tests. Hospital food doesn't agree with me. I'm now home and resting awaiting more tests. Oh joy.
According to hospital scales I put on 6kg between Friday and Monday.
I'll weigh myself tomorrow at home and see what they say I think!
I am not expecting a loss.
I am however feeling quite healthy. But I was feeling fine when they admitted me too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 24 January, 2013, 07:44:18 am
Now lost 0.3kg compared to last week. Deffo have to weigh before brekkie...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 24 January, 2013, 09:43:08 am
I've found it is a lot more comforting to record daily weights in a spreadsheet, and then use a 7 or 10 day rolling average weight to try and iron out the noise and show whether the weight is sensibly going up or down. (I had a range of about 2kg in my weighings last week)


I think I'll start doing this, instead of a weekly panic/starve to make my target.  It will give a more realistic trendline.
rr's recommendation for Libra (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.cachapa.libra&hl=en) is worth trying. It reminds you to weigh before breakfast.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: dasmoth on 24 January, 2013, 01:33:54 pm
Last Wednesday, 73.1kg, Saturday 69.9kg, today 71.4kg. Change is the only constant.

I think the only time I've ever seen my weight change that rapidly was a couple of weeks back when I had The Lurgy (I'm now trying hard not to reacquire the lost weight!).

A bit more variance would be encouraging...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 January, 2013, 01:46:32 pm
Last Wednesday, 73.1kg, Saturday 69.9kg, today 71.4kg. Change is the only constant.

I think the only time I've ever seen my weight change that rapidly was a couple of weeks back when I had The Lurgy (I'm now trying hard not to reacquire the lost weight!).

A bit more variance would be encouraging...

Mine did almost exactly what simonp's did in the week following a 300k I completed whilst I had a chest cold. CBA to look for my records but 69.9 ->74 ->71kg in  around 8 days rings a bell.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 24 January, 2013, 05:16:40 pm
I can recommend the norovirus diet, if you don't mind feeling like shit and evacuating projectile liquids from every orifice like something out of the exorcist  :sick:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: dasmoth on 24 January, 2013, 05:17:51 pm
I can recommend the norovirus diet, if you don't mind feeling like shit and evacuating projectile liquids from every orifice like something out of the exorcist  :sick:

That's precisely the one I've been... er... trying.  Very trying.

But now I'd like to find a less traumatic way to lose a few more pounds!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 26 January, 2013, 01:28:15 pm
I'd lost 12lb up to Christmas, put 3lb on over Christmas (trifle and Celebrations for breakfast  :D ) lost those 3 by mid January and now another 2lb gone so that's my first stone gone.

Also, there was one day the other week when I got home from work knackered and very hungry but I needed to just sit and decompress before I could think about making dinner - but I was very hungry - and instead of going for the Hotel Chocolat box in the cupboard, I had carrot sticks and hummus. Shrinking Thinking really is helping me reach for the chocolate as an automatic response.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 January, 2013, 02:52:38 pm
Last Wednesday, 73.1kg, Saturday 69.9kg, today 71.4kg. Change is the only constant.

I think the only time I've ever seen my weight change that rapidly was a couple of weeks back when I had The Lurgy (I'm now trying hard not to reacquire the lost weight!).

A bit more variance would be encouraging...

Mine did almost exactly what simonp's did in the week following a 300k I completed whilst I had a chest cold. CBA to look for my records but 69.9 ->74 ->71kg in  around 8 days rings a bell.

And today 70.2kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 January, 2013, 03:37:14 pm
Shrinking Thinking really is helping me reach for the chocolate as an automatic response.

cool. well done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 26 January, 2013, 04:33:56 pm
I think I missed the word not out of that sentence!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 30 January, 2013, 08:09:58 am
only .2 kg this week I need to concentrate more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 30 January, 2013, 08:19:00 am
Had a very self-indulgent weekend without much cycling, and am now laid up not riding much, so I've put some weight back on :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 30 January, 2013, 08:48:19 am
Fairly static for January, which I suppose is better than a rise. Must move more and eat less.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 30 January, 2013, 08:57:08 am
Fat's winning. So far.

(Could do without the 'backlog' issues though  :hand:)

Note to self: more flax seed required.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pippa on 30 January, 2013, 09:43:26 am
Slightly up but had a big weekend eating out twice a day for three days so frankly a small gain is probably a good result. When I weighed myself on Saturday I was down so I guess I just need to focus again now this week.

I've found a low cal breakfast that I'm happy with that doesn't involve toast with lashings of butter. I'm not really a cereal person so toast was always my default option.

As I'm not really a snacker anyway I am trying to eat smaller portions, which I find quite hard and sometimes I just don't manage it. In order not to pick at any leftovers after dinner I'm making adamski eat everything ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 30 January, 2013, 10:25:10 am
Up by way too much.  :(

I'm back on the bike after too long a break.  With that discipline returning I'm hoping others will fall into place again.  Thinking I may return to MFP for a bit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 January, 2013, 10:27:08 am
Same as last week, although I was more at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 30 January, 2013, 11:56:24 am
Back up to where I started at the beginning of the month.  >:(

Too much snacking, not enough exercise this past week. I could blame the weather but in reality it's sheer laziness. Must do better in February!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 January, 2013, 12:46:05 pm
Same again for fourth week BUT
My January kilo is still off
I had a Big Meal Out on Monday
There are backlogs.
See what next week brings.

David has lost a little weight having been static since the start of November. We started around 75kg last January and he stuck around 64kg till last week.

We're aiming for 60kg.

Mum noticed I'd lost weight when I saw her today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 30 January, 2013, 02:54:47 pm
Quite surprisingly I'm down a bit having had a weekend including caik, pizza and a fry-up and not a massive amount of cycling.

Hopefully the ice dissappearing should allow me to get more riding in now which should help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LindaG on 30 January, 2013, 05:30:43 pm
Oh dear.

Oh very dear.

Oh well, I have had the same weekend as mcshroom and also a moderately big birthday.  And tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2013, 10:16:47 pm
Given Feline’s birthday was yesterday and mine the day before (Yo Sushi for lunch, cinema trip with bucket of popcorn and pepsi, and trip to Franky and Benny’s to follow) , plus we had haggis neaps and tattoos* tatties on Saturday, and went to the Lamb for Sunday lunch as well (plus I made a highly calorific leek and potato soup on Sunday) only gaining 1kg this week is quite a result. :)

(And I’ve not been on a bike since Friday!)

* Autocorrect.
Title: Re: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oaky on 30 January, 2013, 11:19:51 pm
...plus we had haggis neaps and tattoos* tatties on Saturday,
...
* Autocorrect.

I'm curious now... I always assumed it was "neeps". Is "neaps":

1. The one true spelling, and "neeps" is a figment of my imagination?
2. An alternative to "neeps"?
3. Also an autocorrection?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2013, 11:36:18 pm
I think you're correct. Neaps was me not autocorrect though. iPhone does not correct neeps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 30 January, 2013, 11:53:28 pm
Up 0.1 kg this week. Not been a Good Dog with the Diet and exercise, as in not much of either in an "Easiest Option" sort of  way!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 January, 2013, 11:58:23 pm
Mum visited today and brought a Danish pastry that she'd cut in half.
I had one half earlier today and David and I shared the remainder.

Suddenly, David feels full and I feel bouncier than I have for a long time.
CAEK and pastries are addictive. Good thing no more are available...
Title: Re: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 31 January, 2013, 04:10:54 pm
I'm curious now... I always assumed it was "neeps".

I've always thought it was neeps too. Tasty either way.

My Scottish mother-in-law hosted a Burns Night for us on Saturday, during which much haggis, tatties, neeps, whisky, cranachan and Edinburgh fog were consumed. (Amazing how all the poems seem to make perfect sense after a few "wee drams".  ;) )

Thing is, she made rather a lot of haggis, so we've been eating the leftovers all week. Which may be one of the reasons why my weight is back up.   :facepalm:

Really need to get back into the habit of doing the long cycle commute. No excuse not to now the snow has gone.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 January, 2013, 07:31:47 pm
From the weights reports thread:

Am I too late for this?

Nope. The weights graphs are (usually) updated weekly, and the data scraping code doesn't care if you join in late. If you have weights recorded elsewhere from previous weeks then you can add them also, they will be picked up. You could even fill in data for 2012 in the 2012 thread - the graphs show the previous 6 months. It mainly fusses over you putting stuff in the expected place and format, so if it doesn't work for you then PM me and I can investigate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 01 February, 2013, 09:12:57 am
Well I hit my first mini-target for the year today. :)  I now weigh the same as I did on 1st January 2012 :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 01 February, 2013, 07:10:53 pm
Well I hit my fist mini-target ...

Quote from: George Takei
Oh Myyyyyyyy!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Canardly on 01 February, 2013, 07:21:46 pm
Well I must lose some this year and get some distances in. So boozahol may see a dramatic reduction and even the delightful bacon sarnies may have to be reduced in number (except at YACF camping week ends of course) thereby inducing withdrawal symptons. Now then gruels I have known......
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 February, 2013, 10:42:42 pm
I had a measurable weight loss between yesterday morning and today - around a kg. I don't think it was water either as I consumed lots of tea yesterday evening and had to get up twice in the night for a piss. I think the bulk of it was 50 miles of sloggage on a very windy day. I probably burned a couple of thousand calories more than usual.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 02 February, 2013, 02:41:27 pm
I had a 1 to 1 shrinking thinking coaching session this morning. It was really tough and I cried A LOT but I think it will be helpful in the long run. It was about timelines, the timeline of my life and looking at painful events from my past which weren't fully resolved at the time and helping me to release the lingering emotions now. My primary unresolved emotion was anger and we looked at three specific events one from childhood and two from adulthood and my coach helped me to release myself from the unconscious emotions I still had relating to those events. The theory is that I need to be able to let the angerhurtshamesadnessangerresentmentfearanger go before I can stop punishing/comforting myself with chocolate. It's too hard and too personal to explain here but it was very powerful stuff.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 02 February, 2013, 02:44:37 pm
Also, I am surprised by how frequently some of you weigh yourselves. My weight can fluctuate by several pounds in a day. I weigh myself once or twice a month and pay attention to the trend rather than every day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 02 February, 2013, 02:49:11 pm
I only weigh myself every day to give a good trend line. The numbers can move up and down over a kilo from day to day so there's no massive value in those, but the 10-day average is more representative.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 04 February, 2013, 09:41:04 am
came across this movie yesterday, (apologies if it's been posted before)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UT6PrbctPJ4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UT6PrbctPJ4)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 06 February, 2013, 09:26:11 am
Well look at that.

Stick to a diet and you lose weight. Marvellous.  ;D

3kg last week, I'm already using a different belt hole.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 February, 2013, 10:11:34 am
One day at a time hulver.
3kg is a lot.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 06 February, 2013, 10:22:21 am
Well, I'm living proof that, even on next to no carbs, gluttony and sloth can still stall fat loss  ::-).

My excuses: Comfort eating (been chased by The Dog, and lurgied), little in the way of exercise, boab's Crack Cocaine low-carb cheesecake supply.

Note to self: Candy Crush Saga is NOT a cardio workout.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 February, 2013, 10:26:00 am
Note to self: Candy Crush Saga is NOT a cardio workout.
Is it a strength workout then?

(You were supposed to put the cheesecake in the freezer, not your gob  :P )
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 06 February, 2013, 10:33:31 am
(You were supposed to put the cheesecake in the freezer, not your gob  :P )

It was in the freezer. Briefly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 February, 2013, 10:40:01 am
Not being able to ride a bike doesn't help with weight loss. :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 06 February, 2013, 10:43:08 am
From the weights reports thread:

Am I too late for this?

Nope. The weights graphs are (usually) updated weekly, and the data scraping code doesn't care if you join in late. If you have weights recorded elsewhere from previous weeks then you can add them also, they will be picked up. You could even fill in data for 2012 in the 2012 thread - the graphs show the previous 6 months. It mainly fusses over you putting stuff in the expected place and format, so if it doesn't work for you then PM me and I can investigate.

Ah, I might well go back and do 2012 as it's vastly more impressive than December/January have been.  Although my starting weigh in May is rather startling and embarrassing - mostly the reason my other half persuaded me to get a bike in the first place.
I've lost 25 kg since end of May last year  - hoping to lose up to 2 more this year but it's starting rather frustratingly.  I didn't have a debauched Christmas as I was too ill with flu all holiday but my weight loss has definitely plateaued in the last few weeks.  I might (rather than just cycling an awful lot) actually have to start being more careful with what I eat soon.  Boo!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 February, 2013, 10:45:58 am
Not being able to ride a bike doesn't help with weight loss. :'(
I find riding a bike or not makes very little difference. Really.
It's much more effective to do other things, as riding a bike (particularly utility cycling) is not pushing my metabolism in any way whatsoever.

This is no help to you though, as the stuff that's stopping you riding will stop you doing anything else.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 06 February, 2013, 10:48:52 am
lose 2 more stone that is (i.e. 12ish kilos)

This is vastly ambitious now mind you - I haven't been down to such weights since I was a first year student more than 20 years ago.  Not sure it's realistic but I do still have some gut to shift...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 February, 2013, 10:50:11 am
True enough, boabacca.  My problem is that I haven't got enough control over my eating to change gear abruptly when I'm not riding (which is just the time when I'm most stressed and heading for comfort eating, eating for the steroids, and eating from boredom).  And, yes, while I'd like to be doing other stuff (walking, gardening etc), I just can't :(

Still, I'm sure I can get back on track.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 06 February, 2013, 11:15:46 am
Boredom/comfort eating is my main problem. Cycling helps as if I'm riding I'm not eating or thinking about eating too much, but if I'm not then I just seem to graze and eat far too much.

I also know the answer to that is to HTFU and stick to rigid meals only, but I'm a wimp who doesn't like feeling hungry :-[.

I'll add my weight this evening as I seem to be getting good at forgetting to weigh myself in the mornings :facepalm:

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 06 February, 2013, 11:26:50 am
Snacking after 9pm was my problem.

I've started cycle commuting again. My appetite has shot up, far more than the calories burned on a 90min daily commute.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 06 February, 2013, 11:56:43 am
Not being able to ride a bike doesn't help with weight loss. :'(
I find riding a bike or not makes very little difference. Really.


Oh, it can, but most people vastly overestimate the energy consumption of cycling.

Quote
It's much more effective to do other things, as riding a bike (particularly utility cycling) is not pushing my metabolism in any way whatsoever.

Why does it have to push your metabolism?  All it has to do is consume some calories.  I'm hugely suspicious of any weight-loss regime which sells the idea that a particular variety of exercise helps you burn energy even when you're not being active - that's mostly myth.  There's exercising for fitness (which has an indirect and mostly long-term effect on weight loss) and exercise for direct weight loss.  If you're doing the latter, vigorous exercise can actually be counter-productive, as it tends to induce hunger pangs.  Stealth exercise (a good walk, a bit of gentle but extended cycling) can be a very effective addition to your regular routine and help you maintain a regular, healthy calorie deficit without even noticing.  I think this holds true both for somebody who is not that active and for those of us who regularly run, cycle and pursue other vigorous fitness activities (we arguably have less room for lowering energy input relative to activity).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 February, 2013, 12:10:44 pm
Not being able to ride a bike doesn't help with weight loss. :'(
I find riding a bike or not makes very little difference. Really.


Oh, it can, but most people vastly overestimate the energy consumption of cycling.

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It's much more effective to do other things, as riding a bike (particularly utility cycling) is not pushing my metabolism in any way whatsoever.

Why does it have to push your metabolism?  All it has to do is consume some calories.  I'm hugely suspicious of any weight-loss regime which sells the idea that a particular variety of exercise helps you burn energy even when you're not being active - that's mostly myth.  There's exercising for fitness (which has an indirect and mostly long-term effect on weight loss) and exercise for direct weight loss.  If you're doing the latter, vigorous exercise can actually be counter-productive, as it tends to induce hunger pangs.  Stealth exercise (a good walk, a bit of gentle but extended cycling) can be a very effective addition to your regular routine and help you maintain a regular, healthy calorie deficit without even noticing.  I think this holds true both for somebody who is not that active and for those of us who regularly run, cycle and pursue other vigorous fitness activities (we arguably have less room for lowering energy input relative to activity).
Perhaps I should have thrown a few more "for me" in there.

For me utility cycling burns less than 400 kcal/hour. For me my time is better spent doing something else that pushes my metabolism/ increases strength & muscle mass, and therefore uses more calories, as for me my BMR is pitifully low and utility cycling is done at an average HR of less than 120.
For me gentle exercise/ being more active in your daily life isn't enough as it doesn't make enough difference.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 February, 2013, 01:01:37 pm
Down half a kilo on last week but I'm not reading too much into it because I suspect it's probably mostly dehydration after my running efforts yesterday...

boabacca, I'm with you on this. The idea that utility cycling can help with weight control is only really going to be useful to people who aren't already active in their daily life. If you regularly do 200km+ audaxes, it seems obvious that utility cycling isn't going to be as much use to you from an exercise point of view.

I've read lots of advice about other ways to boost your metabolism apart from exercise - some of it genuinely science-based, most of it pseudo-scientific nonsense... eg I've heard that chilli can boost metabolism by raising your heart rate. I'm completely addicted to chilli and I reckon I must have a fairly fast metabolism, so I wonder if there's something in that. Almost certainly not the answer to all your prayers, though. In general, more intense forms of exercise are going to be the best bet - might be worth doing some kind of muscle-building work, the principle being that muscle requires higher maintenance levels of energy than, ahem, non-muscle. Maybe invest in a set of dumbbells and get pumping iron?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 06 February, 2013, 01:07:32 pm
True enough, boabacca.  My problem is that I haven't got enough control over my eating to change gear abruptly when I'm not riding (which is just the time when I'm most stressed and heading for comfort eating, eating for the steroids, and eating from boredom).  And, yes, while I'd like to be doing other stuff (walking, gardening etc), I just can't :(

Still, I'm sure I can get back on track.

Thanks.
You need Shrinking Thinking!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 February, 2013, 01:11:36 pm
I have definitely noticed significant weight loss after a hard day's riding, even after overdosing on fluids when I get home. It seems logical to me that if you are dehydrated and then you drink a lot of tea, fruit juice etc. your kidneys aren't immediately going to flush it straight out of your system leaving you dehydrated again. After last Thursday's tough ride (50 miles with a lot of headwind) even after pouring lots of fluid into me and ending up with multiple bladder-emptying opportunities, I was still down by quite a bit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 06 February, 2013, 01:19:16 pm
One day at a time hulver.
3kg is a lot.

True. I'm not starving myself though. I can't expect these results to continue for long, but it's looking good so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 February, 2013, 01:23:00 pm
True enough, boabacca.  My problem is that I haven't got enough control over my eating to change gear abruptly when I'm not riding (which is just the time when I'm most stressed and heading for comfort eating, eating for the steroids, and eating from boredom).  And, yes, while I'd like to be doing other stuff (walking, gardening etc), I just can't :(

Still, I'm sure I can get back on track.

Thanks.
You need Shrinking Thinking!  ;D

I need oxygen! ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 06 February, 2013, 01:28:39 pm
Flabbergasted to discover I lost 2.2kg in one week. Waist 4 inches smaller too.

Caveats:

- Weighed morning after first 5:2 fasting day (ie. 600 calories intake).
- Did quite a few shortish, but occasionally intense, utility cycling trips yesterday.
- Probably mostly water loss due to fasting.
- Weight fluctuates anyway.

Still, crazily impressive.

Still to see what the long term effects are of this faddish calorie restriction technique.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 06 February, 2013, 01:32:49 pm
There was a documentary a while back, which looked at the 'myth' of fast and 'slow' metabolisms, by connecting everyone up to respirators to measure oxygen burnt while they went about their normal routine. They found that people with 'fast' metabolisms would pace around all the time, stand up and sit down a lot, effectively have nervous tics (or something like that) so they were always moving and burning calories, and this was even without doing real exercise. The people with 'slow' metabolisms (like me) could quite happily sit motionless for hours on end, and burn fewer calories. Many of us tubbies literally don't waste energy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 February, 2013, 01:45:08 pm
the principle being that muscle requires higher maintenance levels of energy than, ahem, non-muscle. Maybe invest in a set of dumbbells and get pumping iron?
The difference between the metabolic requirements of muscle and what we're euphemistically calling non-muscle, is, like the different in density between muscle and non muscle, an irrelevance. It's tiny. We're talking a calorie per kilo. Even on a lard bucket like myself, I can ignore it.
I need to pump iron for other reasons. Hills, for example. Bone density, for another.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 06 February, 2013, 01:55:08 pm

boabacca, I'm with you on this. The idea that utility cycling can help with weight control is only really going to be useful to people who aren't already active in their daily life. If you regularly do 200km+ audaxes, it seems obvious that utility cycling isn't going to be as much use to you from an exercise point of view.


From an exercise point of view, now, but we're talking about weight loss.  I don't exercise to lose weight (for reference, I cycle, run and follow a strength training regime), I exercise for fitness.  Trying to use those activities for weight loss puts other goals at risk (and increases the risk of injury).  A healthy rate of weight loss is entirely achievable with a moderate calorie deficit that can fit entirely into recovery time (and be low impact).  If you're trying for more dramatic weight loss, that's a different matter.

To be fair, it's some years since I've needed to do more than trim back Christmas excesses, so it's easier for me to be patient and content with a 1.5lb-per-week average reduction.


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Almost certainly not the answer to all your prayers, though. In general, more intense forms of exercise are going to be the best bet - might be worth doing some kind of muscle-building work, the principle being that muscle requires higher maintenance levels of energy than, ahem, non-muscle. Maybe invest in a set of dumbbells and get pumping iron?

The calorie-consuming benefits of muscle are even more frequently exaggerated than those of cycling ;)  It's also very hard to make significant strength gains while on a calorie deficit.  Adding muscle bulk might also be incompatible with Boabacca's other goals.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 February, 2013, 02:00:54 pm
The difference between the metabolic requirements of muscle and what we're euphemistically calling non-muscle, is, like the different in density between muscle and non muscle, an irrelevance. It's tiny.

Well, there you go - maybe I need to improve the efficiency of my pseudo-scientific nonsense filter.

d.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 09 February, 2013, 08:33:30 am
Nearly 3/4 of the way through my target and spot on schedule. Down to 10 stone 2 this morning and on target to hit 10 stone by the end of February.

Bit of a blip on Wednesday/Thursday, at a business event, so 3 course meal in the evening, lots of alcohol also. Thursday a fry-up and 2 Chinese meals. :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 12 February, 2013, 12:13:58 pm
Well, I've not seen a "13" on the scales for some time :D
Shame it's not 'official' weigh-in day but that it is pancake day so I doubt I'll repeat the experience tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 12 February, 2013, 02:22:44 pm
I'm down about 1.4kg in a week. Weighed this morning at the end of week 1 of 5:2 'fasting' regime. Fasting today, so expect I'll lose weight again, mostly water.

If it carries on like this I'll be at my target weight in a fortnight or so.....we'll see.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 February, 2013, 04:29:14 pm
Well, I've not seen a "13" on the scales for some time :D
Shame it's not 'official' weigh-in day but that it is pancake day so I doubt I'll repeat the experience tomorrow morning.

I've seen one every day this year. Sadly, it's prefixed with a 1.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 12 February, 2013, 04:43:27 pm
Well, I've not seen a "13" on the scales for some time :D
Shame it's not 'official' weigh-in day but that it is pancake day so I doubt I'll repeat the experience tomorrow morning.

I've seen one every day this year. Sadly, it's prefixed with a 1.

I very much hope to see one soon - it will be 15 st. 13 lb and will mean I've broken through the 16 stone barrier.  A few years back I dropped like I have recently by swimming a lot - but I never breached the 16 stone basement.  I hope cycling will provide the means...
(5 lb to go as of this morning)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 13 February, 2013, 07:40:38 am
UP 2 kg in 2 weeks  :-[ I need to take deastic action eat less and move more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 13 February, 2013, 09:15:51 am
Another 2 lb down from me in the last two week - nearly driven off all the christmas induced weight gain now - just 1 lb to the weight I was at on December 20th and then we're into record breaking territory (for me).

Starting to feel like I'm alone in succeeding here though - sorry.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 February, 2013, 09:40:49 am
Bugger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 February, 2013, 09:49:38 am
I'm going up. I've only been doing utility cycling, so that's not even 10 miles a day. It's just no fun when you are freezing your arse off the whole time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 13 February, 2013, 10:39:41 am
Down 1.8kg on last week which is nice. The overall trend for my weight loss is also running pretty much in line with the progress line I need to hit my end of year target, but I'm going to have to watch that as it was more rapid a few weeks back.

I'm wondering how many of this morning's rises are really only pancake induced and reasonably temporary in the grand scheme of things :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 13 February, 2013, 10:46:58 am
Another 2 lb down from me in the last two week - nearly driven off all the christmas induced weight gain now - just 1 lb to the weight I was at on December 20th and then we're into record breaking territory (for me).

Starting to feel like I'm alone in succeeding here though - sorry.

No, you're not. I seem to be making progress!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 13 February, 2013, 11:13:55 am
I seem to have stabilised over the past week at the new lower weight, around 2.2kg lower than at the end of January. I've an audax event on Sunday so we'll see what effect that has on next week's weight. Will have to move my fasting day from Saturday to Friday, as I don't want to do an audax with depleted glycogen reserves...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 13 February, 2013, 11:34:39 am
blimey, my belt went up a hole this morning, and my suit jacket feels slightly looser.  I still refuse to stand on the scales though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 February, 2013, 11:59:37 am
Down 1.5kg - continuing the random noise pattern.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 13 February, 2013, 12:07:49 pm
As I feared and predicted yesterday, the pancakes have taken their toll.
Oh well. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 13 February, 2013, 05:41:30 pm
Another 2 lb down from me in the last two week - nearly driven off all the christmas induced weight gain now - just 1 lb to the weight I was at on December 20th and then we're into record breaking territory (for me).

Starting to feel like I'm alone in succeeding here though - sorry.

Don't feel guilty about it ;)  Maybe that basement will become your new ceiling.

blimey, my belt went up a hole this morning, and my suit jacket feels slightly looser.  I still refuse to stand on the scales though.

Take the plunge.  I always found I behaved more erratically with food when I was hiding from the scales.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 13 February, 2013, 05:53:12 pm
Thanks itsBruce and Tim C  :thumbsup:

I just felt a bit like the one jumping up on down on exam results day when everyone else has failed. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 13 February, 2013, 06:37:54 pm
Thanks itsBruce and Tim C  :thumbsup:

I just felt a bit like the one jumping up on down on exam results day when everyone else has failed.

Er.....that might be taking it a bit far. Have those whose weight has not risen "failed"?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 February, 2013, 07:12:18 pm
Getting me weighed is a major hassle for David and me.
I remain convinced that I will continue to lose weight while I'm 'sensible'.
(Small portions, little added fat - scant mayo - HORROR! No regular breakfast croissants/toast minimal biscuits/chocolate etc.)
My trousers are getting looser and my measurements are shrinking gradually.
Whatever my weight measurements (or lack thereof), I'll keep going.

David's weight seems steady now; at 64kg he's not overweight but still lacks muscle definition. He's done well on this week's workouts and managed to tighten  his new weight-traing belt another notch. I think there's some redistribution afoot.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 13 February, 2013, 07:25:13 pm
Those other measurements are at least as important/significant as what the scales show, aren't they?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 February, 2013, 07:45:55 pm
Those other measurements are at least as important/significant as what the scales show, aren't they?

Indeed. That's why I'll only get weighed when it doesn't wind David up and why David's weight matters little to me so long as he has no significant gain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 13 February, 2013, 08:00:38 pm
Thanks itsBruce and Tim C  :thumbsup:

I just felt a bit like the one jumping up on down on exam results day when everyone else has failed.

Er.....that might be taking it a bit far. Have those whose weight has not risen "failed"?

Ach, no offence meant, I just didn't want to come across as crowing too much.  I 'failed' for many years when I got to something like six stone overweight with no excuses whatsoever.  Sorry if I used an inappropriate metaphor.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 February, 2013, 08:49:47 pm
I'm back down 2kg from last week.  Managed to reduce my input to match my lack of cycling at last (not helped by steroid, but it's OK).  Means I am where I started ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 February, 2013, 09:40:54 pm
Those other measurements are at least as important/significant as what the scales show, aren't they?
Well, yes and no.
Power:weight is what I'm trying to improve, but I've never really had a problem with the power side. Yes more muscle is better, but there isn't that much of a shortage.
Really, as a tandem team, we need to shed kilos, extra power isn't really enough. I have to be lighter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 February, 2013, 09:56:43 pm
Those other measurements are at least as important/significant as what the scales show, aren't they?
Well, yes and no.
Power:weight is what I'm trying to improve, but I've never really had a problem with the power side. Yes more muscle is better, but there isn't that much of a shortage.
Really, as a tandem team, we need to shed kilos, extra power isn't really enough. I have to be lighter.

Power is something I never had. Lots of training made mine 'average' or just below, so long as I was well-carbed. Low-carbed, I was too weak to achieve anything. Power is not really an issue now; there is none. I'm working on weight.

David gained power when he overate a couple of years ago. He lost weight and strength last year. Seems to be getting stronger now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 14 February, 2013, 11:15:09 am

Power is something I never had. Lots of training made mine 'average' or just below, so long as I was well-carbed. Low-carbed, I was too weak to achieve anything. Power is not really an issue now; there is none. I'm working on weight.

David gained power when he overate a couple of years ago. He lost weight and strength last year. Seems to be getting stronger now.

Everybody has a power value and a weight value.  Your power value may be small, even zero, but you still have one.

I'd like access to a PowerTap so I could quantify my own power over a given period and then create my own Watts/Kg value.  That way I could see actual improvements. I'd like to be able to quantify what a Pro Cyclist is actually like as well.  Watts/Kg gives you that.

Like Boabacca I'm looking to improve my power to weight.  I'm 50 so my power isn't going to improve much so that leaves my weight.

Hauling excess weight up hills (or even up gentle slopes) wastes what little power value I have, takes me further into "the red" than I need to be, requires more calories...etc etc.  It's a constant drain in a hilly world.

I'll never have Wiggo's power level but I wouldn't mind trying his body weight, even with my power.  He's 3 stone lighter than me (he's bloody taller as well).  42 pounds !!!  He puts out >400 Watts as well.  I'm not surprised he likes cycling.

Cycling is just better when you're lighter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 14 February, 2013, 11:40:11 am
Those other measurements are at least as important/significant as what the scales show, aren't they?
Well, yes and no.
Power:weight is what I'm trying to improve, but I've never really had a problem with the power side. Yes more muscle is better, but there isn't that much of a shortage.
Really, as a tandem team, we need to shed kilos, extra power isn't really enough. I have to be lighter.

I was thinking more of the waist/hip/neck measurements, which are related to fat loss - a change in your waist measurement very likely reflects a change in your weight, or at least a change in your body fat, which obviously isn't exactly the same thing...

Anyway, I was really just thinking out loud about how if you're in helly's position of not being able to weigh yourself easily, you can still monitor your weight changes (or body fat changes, at least) by those other measurements. But you and helly know all that already and don't need me to try to teach you.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 14 February, 2013, 12:11:24 pm
I'd like access to a PowerTap so I could quantify my own power over a given period and then create my own Watts/Kg value.  That way I could see actual improvements. I'd like to be able to quantify what a Pro Cyclist is actually like as well.  Watts/Kg gives you that.

you can get on a racing bike and go climbing hills at your max effort. then download gpx log to ridewithgps.com and check out your  "vam" number (vertical ascent measurement?) - it's a good indicator of your power:weight. pros for reference can climb somewhere around 1500-2000 meters per hour.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 14 February, 2013, 12:15:50 pm
Yes, I keep half an eye on the VAM number for our rides. I don't know how well it works, East of the meridian. I think we've managed to get it close to 500 a couple of times, but it mostly languishes in the 300s.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 February, 2013, 02:11:11 pm
On a 10% gradient, without a headwind, at my current weight, 200W (I can sustain this for about 2 hours) => VAM of around 900.

If I plug in just under 300W, which I managed to sustain for 5 minutes on the Devil's Staircase, then that's VAM of 1300.

To do the same at 80kg I would need an additional ~40 Watts of power. Or in the 200W case, an additional 5025W.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 February, 2013, 07:01:35 pm
It seems our VAM on long climbs in Devon on the tandem is 500-600. This is despite feeling knackered after 100 miles (first tandem ride for 6 months and our longest ride for 6 months).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 17 February, 2013, 10:40:04 pm
As it happens I managed to entirely skip the '13 thing and drop to 15 st. 11 lb yesterday.  ;D

Shame it was a massively cheaty weigh in after an 80 mile ride ;)

I just wanted it though - well over a decade since I weighed in under 16 stone.  I shall look forward - after the rebound - to sustain my average weight under the 16 stone barrier.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 18 February, 2013, 08:42:02 am
Having got very used to Kilos now, I converted my weight to Stones just for nostalgia.

It might be quite a while since I used them, but it is nice to be back under 20 stone again.

My next milestone is getting under 120kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 18 February, 2013, 09:03:09 am
Rebounded, and by 7 lb  :-\
Got a telling off by my Wii fit board too  :o

Ha well, not like I wasn't expecting it - Wednesday is the day of the weigh in - I always weigh in heavy on Mondays - will have to stop having these naughty weekends...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 February, 2013, 10:08:48 am
I wish it was a level playing field.

I have to starve for months to lose a few grammes, but the moment I have a curry three kilos go back on.

There is a slight exaggeration there, but not a lot. It's take a fortnight's carelessness and I've put back the 4kg I lost since 1st Jan.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 18 February, 2013, 10:15:12 am
Yesterday was an audax day. Didn't weigh myself on getting back, but did this morning, after a reasonable meal last night, rehydration, etc. 800g down on previous weight. I expect it'll creep back up today, but I've a fast day tomorrow so Wednesday may herald a new low weight...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 18 February, 2013, 11:25:46 am
I have to starve for months to lose a few grammes, but the moment I have a curry three kilos go back on.

This is hardly a surprise though, surely? If you eat a kilo of curry, you'll weigh a kilo more than you did before. It's simply not possible to equate one eating episode with what's happening to your overall level of adipose tissue.

Weight is a rubbish metric - it's as useful as BMI.

Assuming your goal is not to lose weight per-se, but to lose fat - then other metrics are better; a tape measure, the mirror test, calipers, body composition scales (used carefully, they can provide a guide at least, but they're rubbish for a one-off measurement), a DEXA scan (sadly not available on the NHS, to my knowledge - unlike bariatric surgery  :-\).

Having said all that, I weigh myself most days  ::-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 18 February, 2013, 12:17:34 pm
Oh yeah, I've lost another half an inch off the waist (measured after breakfast)...  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 18 February, 2013, 12:22:20 pm
Yesterday was an audax day. Didn't weigh myself on getting back, but did this morning, after a reasonable meal last night, rehydration, etc. 800g down on previous weight. I expect it'll creep back up today, but I've a fast day tomorrow so Wednesday may herald a new low weight...
Wheras I have gained 300g by riding 215km.

It's mostly water, whichever way it goes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 18 February, 2013, 12:44:34 pm

It's mostly water, whichever way it goes.

Yep, pretty much what I thought too. We'll see how it goes the next few weeks. Another audax in early March, so I'll find out how compatible endurance rides are with intermittent fasting...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 18 February, 2013, 12:59:18 pm
Not very is my guess
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: shyumu on 18 February, 2013, 01:09:45 pm
The reading on the bathroom scales is finally going in the right direction - found my motivation again.  Woo yay.

I have a set of gentle morning exercises called "In shape for Summer", I think it is aimed at the bikini-brigade, but I find doing these exercises first thing in the morning helps me to stay on target throughout the day.

This morning I did my very first "interval" training; running for 2 minutes and walking for 1 minute, for a 30 minute period.  This is actually really nice, I hate jogging or running, but knowing that I only have to do it for 2 minutes is brilliant.  So this, 3 times a week, mixed with tone and tummy exercises, combined with sticking to my calorie allowance has finally got me back on track.  Thank heavens for that!

If I can lose 6kg before BCM it will make that cycling experience much more fun.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 February, 2013, 02:10:32 pm

It's mostly water, whichever way it goes.

Yep, pretty much what I thought too. We'll see how it goes the next few weeks. Another audax in early March, so I'll find out how compatible endurance rides are with intermittent fasting...

Glycogen reserves take 48 hours to replenish completely.

You might be able to ride long distances if your stores aren't full; some people can, some can't. It depends on your fitness, training, aerobic capacity and other factors.

If you pace yourself and don't try to ride hell for leather on any part of a ride, you might be OK but don't expect your afterburners to function!
Take it as easy as possible on the hills.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 18 February, 2013, 02:26:03 pm
Glycogen reserves take 48 hours to replenish completely.

That's worth knowing. So in audax weeks I will need to re-jig my fasting schedule...

You might be able to ride long distances if your stores aren't full; some people can, some can't. It depends on your fitness, training, aerobic capacity and other factors.

Well I rode yesterday despite recovering from a bad cold. However I did carbo-load the previous evening so I was probably okay glycogen wise.

If you pace yourself and don't try to ride hell for leather on any part of a ride, you might be OK but don't expect your afterburners to function!
Take it as easy as possible on the hills.

That sounds pretty much how I ride anyway! I did manage to put in a burst of speed at the end of yesterday's ride, mind you. Millionaire's shortbread helps...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 February, 2013, 02:29:27 pm
Millionnaire's shortbread is good for the afterburners...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: shyumu on 18 February, 2013, 04:37:13 pm
Millionnaire's shortbread is good for the afterburners...

What do you use to ignite the unburnt millionaire shortbread and create that cool flame effect at the back?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 February, 2013, 11:05:16 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/18/obesity-epidemic-hysteria

An interesting piece in today's Grauniad.

Most of the points raised in that piece have been expressed by forummers on this thread. Yes, you can be overweight and still maintain reasonable health and get exercise, but I'd wager that pretty well any physical activity you choose to take part in is a lot more fun when you haven't got half a hundredweight of blubber to cart around with you.

Edit: and I have got half a cwt of blubber - and more - to cart around with me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 18 February, 2013, 11:22:36 pm
This
'The AoMRC encourages NHS staff to pester patients about their weight in every encounter, but what fat person in their right mind would go to the doctor with a verruca, or a funny rash that might just reveal a life-threatening illness, if they know they'll get a right old finger-wagging?'

This I find quite offensive at the doctor's these days. If I go to the doctor because I want some eczema cream I have to spend 10 minutes getting my blood pressure measured, getting weighed and then getting lectured.  >:(

Really they can just fark off.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 February, 2013, 12:28:55 am
Went to neurology clinic last week for my annual review. All round the hospital, there were people of fairly normal weight, (by appearance only). There was a diabetic clinic running near to the neuro clinic. Clinic nurses were HYOOGE. One asked diabetic chap "HAVE YOU SEEN THE DIETICIAN?"

My thought was "Have you?"

Some hospital staff are a lousy example.

Latest news is the recommendation to remove vending machines selling choccy bars and the like from hospitals; that would be fine if all staff could be guaranteed half-hour uninterrupted meal breaks. I don't think it's fair to withhold fast calories from people who don't have the time to have a slow meal.

I can be EVIL if I have a low blood sugar (and my BM has been 2.8 when I felt OK...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 February, 2013, 10:17:59 am
For years, our local hospital had a small hatch, personned by WRVS volunteers, distributing tea, coffee and a few other bits and pieces at a low price (50p a cup, typically). For chocolate etc. the hospital shop was available.

A couple of years ago the WRVS counter was closed and an enormous Cost Coffee emporium was opened, selling all kinds of over-priced beverages and pastries. Quite apart from the fact that it forced anyone who wanted a coffee and some calories to part with an hour's worth of the minimum wage for the privilege, it also took a few hundred square feet of the already overcrowded waiting lobby and reception area of the main hospital.

Fortunately, I've never had to go for a fasting blood test in the hospital, always preferring the outlying clinics, but I reckon I'd be ready to commit murder if faced with all those calories whilst having had no breakfast.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 19 February, 2013, 11:21:30 am
Well, I'm pleased to observe this morning saw no increase in weight. Waist half an inch smaller after breakfast. Today is a fasting day, so skipping lunch essentially, plus a lo-cal dinner. We'll see what the scales and tape measure say in the morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 19 February, 2013, 12:29:56 pm
Food for thought:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/gallery/2013/feb/19/200-calories-look-like-portion?CMP=twt_gu#/?picture=404309284&index=10

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 19 February, 2013, 12:46:47 pm
Yeah saw that. Shows that fresh veg is the best!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 19 February, 2013, 12:51:29 pm
Makes a bit of a joke of Weight Watchers' infinite broccoli allowance though ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 19 February, 2013, 09:23:10 pm
Weight Watchers is a sham organisation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 19 February, 2013, 09:36:33 pm
Weight Watchers is one of the few systems with a sound enough evidence base for the NHS to work with them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 February, 2013, 09:37:12 pm
Weight Watchers is a business like any other. There's nothing sham about it. It's a real business, trading on obesity, poor body image, and conflicting nutritional information. At 106kg and 5'3" going to Weight Watchers and knowing that if you did as you were told and ate what you were told you would lose weight was great. And I did. And they made money out of me, and a load of other miserable women. Win-win.

http://invus.com/case-studies/weightwatchers.shtml

Weight Watchers works, but at the end of the day it's a diet, and diets don't work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 20 February, 2013, 07:58:32 am
The elusive initial '13' still eludes me  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 February, 2013, 08:17:33 am
The elusive initial '13' still eludes me  >:(
That's what elusive things do. :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 20 February, 2013, 08:36:10 am
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/Libra_2013-02-20.png)


See those spikes? Every one is 3 days post Audax.

Interesting.

I get my blood test results tomorrow, maybe there's an actual medical reason why my 'weight loss' is glacial, despite eating few enough calories to theoretically lose 1kg a week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 20 February, 2013, 08:41:40 am
Seems to fit with my audax experience. I find Tuesdays are the real hunger days for me after audaxes. On those days it takes effort just to avoid clearing out the entire fridge.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 20 February, 2013, 08:45:56 am
4 kilos or approx 8 lb down since the New Year now for me  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 20 February, 2013, 08:57:05 am
Seems to fit with my audax experience. I find Tuesdays are the real hunger days for me after audaxes. On those days it takes effort just to avoid clearing out the entire fridge.
I don't get The Hunger anymore- not on the keto diet. It must be water/metabolic waste. I ate 1800kcal yesterday and 'used' 240 'running'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 20 February, 2013, 09:07:07 am
I don't get 'the hunger' post Audax either.

Fboab, I feel your pain. I am now at the point where I need to burn crazy amounts every day to even stay stable. Taking the 1 week in 3 where I'm currently throwing up and not eating or really doing any exercise out of the equation, I'm eating 1500 a day, and burning off 1500+ in exercise. The maths quite clearly doesn't add up. #bangsheadonwall
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 20 February, 2013, 09:10:01 am
I don't get 'the hunger' post Audax either.

Fboab, I feel your pain. I am now at the point where I need to burn crazy amounts every day to even stay stable. Taking the 1 week in 3 where I'm currently throwing up and not eating or really doing any exercise out of the equation, I'm eating 1500 a day, and burning off 1500+ in exercise. The maths quite clearly doesn't add up. #bangsheadonwall
You're a special case though, surely, Lady C? The drugs must be stuffing you up something awful.

The other thing is, my BMI is 33+, I'm 40+% Lard. The weight *should* be falling off me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 20 February, 2013, 09:13:07 am
4.5kg down this month.

The initial weight loss has tapered off a bit, thankfully. Down about 0.5kg a week now.

Training is hard work though. Before I started the diet, I would feel crap for the first 20 minutes of exercise, but I would persist, knowing that after 20 minutes that feeling would go, and I'd start to feel a lot better.

Now I don't, I feel like I'm permanently bonked.

Just have to work through it I guess. I hope it does start easing off soon, otherwise longer rides (I've not managed anything over 15km in the cold weather) are going to be impossible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 20 February, 2013, 09:13:28 am
Who knows what is drugs related and what isn't. All I know is that it's ridiculously frustrating, I'm a stone heavier than I normally am/like to be and just staying here seems almost impossible, never mind getting any off.

Why doesn't the whole weight loss thing work like it is supposed to?! It would be so easy if eating 3500 calories less than 'needed' removed a pound of lard. Maybe the blood test might help give you some answers.

It's getting me really down in the dumps :( And tired from having to burn it all off.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 20 February, 2013, 10:12:30 am
All of which goes to show, dietary and exercise advice is as doomed to failure as weather forecasting; just too many variables to make it useful. What works for one person, doesn't for another.

Boab is struggling to get the kilos off, and rather unfairly, I'm not - despite the fact we're doing almost identical exercise (on the same bike when audaxing!) and eating an almost identical diet.

FWIW - I seem to have re-found my "sweet spot", which I knew was there because I found it in 2011 too, though it was harder to maintain then because I was permanently hungry - a failing of the traditional high-carb diet I was on. A mix of intervals, long distance steady cycling, and weights at the gym seems to rev me up nicely, and I eat enough to stave off hunger. Most of the time, that's close to my "target" of 1800 net kcals a day, but one or two days a week, I seem to need more. Monday I was hungry a lot - even on the high fat diet, and managed to put away over 3500kcals (burp).

I'm finding "listening to my body" is working better on this diet. The whole sugar-based hunger rollercoaster is absent. Hunger on a high fat diet is different - the belly growls and you know you need food, but I don't find it a mental imperative in the same way it is when carb-driven.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 20 February, 2013, 10:29:56 am
Reading your posts makes me really want to try that diet. I'm always permanently hungry.

At the moment, I'm not allowed to eat a high protein diet so it's not the right time for me to do it but the idea of sugar cravings being non existent is amazing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 20 February, 2013, 10:33:52 am
Reading your posts makes me really want to try that diet. I'm always permanently hungry.

At the moment, I'm not allowed to eat a high protein diet so it's not the right time for me to do it but the idea of sugar cravings being non existent is amazing.

I wouldn't do anything without the OK of your medical team - but a point to note - it's a high fat diet, not high protein; that's important because the first version of Atkins ( the low-carb diet that most people identify with) was high protein, which was the source of a lot of its criticism. Protein level is set according to activity level and lean mass, so mine's about 100g a day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 February, 2013, 10:34:35 am
Boab is struggling to get the kilos off, and rather unfairly, I'm not - despite the fact we're doing almost identical exercise (on the same bike when audaxing!) and eating an almost identical diet.

She's not pedalling at the back!

*runs*

Edit: *or, rather, waddles*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 20 February, 2013, 10:36:33 am
Boab is struggling to get the kilos off, and rather unfairly, I'm not - despite the fact we're doing almost identical exercise (on the same bike when audaxing!) and eating an almost identical diet.

She's not pedalling at the back!

*runs*

Edit: *or, rather, waddles*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suUxA3sS2zg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 20 February, 2013, 10:38:02 am
Ok yes, fair point high fat not high protein, but you are in ketosis right? I think that's the main problem with it for me, I understand it's a total no-no for anyone with kidney issues which rules me out. I do like the sound of it though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 20 February, 2013, 10:40:38 am
Ok yes, fair point high fat not high protein, but you are in ketosis right? I think that's the main problem with it for me, I understand it's a total no-no for anyone with kidney issues which rules me out. I do like the sound of it though.

Yes - very much in ketosis, which of course is the point, and yes - that's very much contraindicated for someone with kidney issues.  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 February, 2013, 10:48:38 am


Why do you keep saying it's doomed to failure?  Calorie control and exercise work for the vast majority of people, as has been shown in a large number of studies.  In my case, despite some plateauing, I've gone from 116 to 89kg.

Doesn't mean it's easy.  And there are a significant number of people who it doesn't work for.  But simple advice is consistently better than most faddy diets for most people.

In fact, the advertising for fads undermines the efforts of dieters by consistently putting out the message that their efforts are 'doomed to failure'.

I'm pleased that the keto is working for you two.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 20 February, 2013, 10:54:41 am
It's working for Chris. Nothing fucking works for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 20 February, 2013, 10:59:04 am


Why do you keep saying it's doomed to failure?  Calorie control and exercise work for the vast majority of people, as has been shown in a large number of studies.  In my case, despite some plateauing, I've gone from 116 to 89kg.


I didn't - I said "dietary and exercise advice is doomed to failure", and your own experience underlines that; you made something work that I simply couldn't. We're all different, and there isn't a one-size-fits-all plan.

The best advice is "try a whole bunch of different things and eventually something will work for you."
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 February, 2013, 11:37:15 am
I disagree.  The best advice is to try the method which has the evidence base, and will work for pretty much e everybody (so long as they stick to it).  Then, if you are one of the few for whom that doesn't work (and it seems pretty evident that you and boab are in that category), then you should be guided towards other diets which have something to back them up, even if the evidence is thinner, and the risks higher.

Abandoning dietary advice altogether sets a bomb ticking for the NHS as people who need to lose weight for their health either give up, or are prey to charlatans.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 February, 2013, 11:53:51 am
Down 0.5kg in three weeks.
Must try harder but every little helps...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 February, 2013, 12:04:44 pm
I was down a little this morning, to my surprise. There had been a strong upward curve at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 20 February, 2013, 12:06:10 pm
Up 1.4kg :o. I hope that clarion's baking is going on the baby not me ;D. I'm going to be the size of a house.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 20 February, 2013, 12:15:12 pm
I've lost 2.7kg* in the three weeks since I started this intermittent fasting thingy. Half way to my target weight already. I'm definately going to keep going with this and see where I get to by September.

* - Or as a visual guide, nearly 11 standard packets of lard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 February, 2013, 12:41:49 pm
Up 1.4kg :o. I hope that clarion's baking is going on the baby not me ;D. I'm going to be the size of a house.

You are a house!   :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Psychler on 20 February, 2013, 01:10:03 pm
I'm down 5.2kg since 7th January when I bought some scales that would measure my heftiness.  I have made a point of weighing myself daily and recording the results on my own graph.  I find daily weigh-ins keeps weight loss at the forefront of my mind.

Although this graph is showing a fairly steady decrease since I started, I have seen some pretty dramatic increases and losses overnight.  Throughout January I didn't drink and then on the 2nd Feb I went on a bit of a bender for a mates birthday.  I put on 10lbs overnight!  This was obviously a belly full of grub and a body full of liquid and it subsided over the next couple of days.

Since the start of February, I have been having a few drinks again and my weight loss has continued but not at such a rate as before, it's much steadier.  I think not drinking gave me a kick start so I now limited the amount I have.

I'm also back in the gym regularly three times a week [Monday, Wednesday and Friday], doing a variety of cardio and weights for a couple of hours at a time.  On Tuesday and Thursdays I am now doing some weights at home [I own a variety of dumbbells, kettle bells and a curl bar] and do quite a lot of stretches.  I haven't started back on my bike yet mainly due to the weather [weak excuse] but plan to start cycling again at weekends.

Although not following any particular diet, I've cut back on the carbs and now eat very little bread.  I tend to eat quite a lot of meat, eggs and fish anyway and have continued with this, so in theory one could say I was on a fairly high protein diet.  I was told [by one of the England rugby nutritionalists] to, as a very generalised rule, eat plenty of veg that grows above the ground, but limit that which grows below; this would give sufficient useful carbs.  I also drink lots of water [and tea and coffee] and take some vitamin and mineral supplements.

I'm finding that a combination of the exercise and weight loss has improved the state of my knees and therefore I move more, the dog's walks have got longer and hopefully this will promote more weight loss.  A nice circle to be on.

I've got a long, long way to go but I'm on course to hit my target weight of 113kg by early September.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 February, 2013, 01:28:58 pm
Good going, Psychler! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Psychler on 20 February, 2013, 02:31:05 pm
Good going, Psychler! :thumbsup:

Cheers, Clarion  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ran doner on 20 February, 2013, 07:40:58 pm
I seem to have found the new wonder exercise regime for losing weight.

Don't do any.

Over the last 2 weigh-ins I've lost over 4lbs and the only exercise I've done is 1500m swimming  ???

Seriously, it must be down to not living out of hotels the last few weeks.
I've still been having a lunch time beer (or 2 within 1900 daily calorie limit) and not bothering to count at the weekends.

Hope I can keep the flip side at bay.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 21 February, 2013, 09:45:56 am
Just short of a kilo loss. Last 3 weeks has been a round of hotels, driving and meetings mostly.
All you can eat buffet breakfasts are the work of Satan. Temptation inevitably takes over. At home its  easier as we are both watching how much we eat.
I have managed to stop eating after teatime.
 I think this helps a lot, learning that you dont need food , even though you think you are hungry.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 21 February, 2013, 12:02:05 pm
A week of being with my Mrs, celebrating her birthday, and general dietary hedonism has had predictable consequences. Up 1.7kg. Back to the grindstone now...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 February, 2013, 12:05:57 pm
I assume my increased weight this week has something to do with cycling 237 miles in 7 days (and that with 3 non-cycling* days). This means I have a lot of food in my system. :)

* I don't count 7km round trip to the doctor's as a cycling day.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 23 February, 2013, 08:47:08 am
Lost 7 pounds in almost exactly one month (forgive the imperial measurements but half a stone sounds like so much more of a milestone than 3.17 kilos).  That's the winter padding done away with.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 February, 2013, 06:34:32 pm
My weight has gone a bit out of control this last week or three. I am 73kg today so I'm 5kg heavier than 6 months ago. My milage is way up but I think my calorie consumption is up too. I will have to start refusing seconds of rhubarb crumble. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 25 February, 2013, 05:32:19 pm
My weight has gone a bit out of control this last week or three. I am 73kg today so I'm 5kg heavier than 6 months ago. My milage is way up but I think my calorie consumption is up too. I will have to start refusing seconds of rhubarb crumble. :(

I didn't make you eat it :P
Maybe I should stop feeding you like you are 2 people, even though you scoff it all without difficulty!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 February, 2013, 05:44:50 pm
Some of it may be on my thighs, judging by where my freshly washed jeans were snug yesterday (everywhere!). And I was back down to 72kg yesterday.

Still 4kg above LEL target weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 25 February, 2013, 07:51:11 pm
You're a kilo heavier than me but 9cm taller. Doesn't sound very out of control.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 February, 2013, 01:11:02 pm
You're a kilo heavier than me but 9cm taller. Doesn't sound very out of control.

The long-term trend has been upwards for months, if that trend continued without some adjustment it'd become a problem. It's a lot easier to stop it getting it out of control than it is to get it back under control, IMO.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 27 February, 2013, 09:03:09 am
The elusive initial '13' still eludes me  >:(
That's what elusive things do. :P
It's still being elusive >:( >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 27 February, 2013, 09:21:38 am
Still going in the wrong direction.  More focus needed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 27 February, 2013, 09:22:40 am
Down another 0.6kg this week. 5:2 fasting diet seems to be working so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 27 February, 2013, 10:00:43 am
I went back up a pound this week - I thought an audax would help but all it seems to make do is eat like a horse for a few days afterwards.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 February, 2013, 10:07:16 am
I'm still vacillating randomly in the vicinity of 114kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 27 February, 2013, 10:57:36 am
I thought an audax would help but all it seems to make do is eat like a horse for a few days afterwards.  ::-)

I used to have this problem. However I now focus on a higher protein diet for post-audax recovery. Not zero-carb, but lower carb than before the ride (when I carbo-load). Using salads/greens as the carbs with some lean meat (eg. chicken). I find this helps to avoid the munchies/pigging out syndrome.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 February, 2013, 01:31:07 pm
I went back up a pound this week - I thought an audax would help but all it seems to make do is eat like a horse for a few days afterwards.  ::-)
The overwhelming advantage of the low carb diet for me is this: there is no post-ride hunger.
Relying on willpower to lose weight is a lost cause, long term.

(I still gain weight post-audax despite not eating more calories than a normal day).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 27 February, 2013, 01:39:10 pm
Another kg down :), and I can agree that you feel less hungry on and after an audax with a lower carbohydrate input. I also found that I am less able to climb hills during an audax in this situation though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 27 February, 2013, 01:55:59 pm
I have stopped losing weight, mainly because I'm eating too much (doh!). But that's a function of being very busy at work, which involves a lot of sitting down for up to 12 hours in one place with little to do but eat, and hence less time to get on the bike, go to the gym, get out and walk etc. Explainable but bloody annoying. Must Eat Less!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 27 February, 2013, 02:33:34 pm
I have stopped losing weight, mainly because I'm eating too much (doh!). But that's a function of being very busy at work, which involves a lot of sitting down for up to 12 hours in one place with little to do but eat, and hence less time to get on the bike, go to the gym, get out and walk etc. Explainable but bloody annoying. Must Eat Less!

 :o

If I had your job, I'd be too busy looking out of the window at the clouds/northern lights (delete as applicable).

 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 27 February, 2013, 02:54:50 pm
Interesting that others have had my experience!  Thanks for the advice, I will think on it, although I'm rather reluctant to reduce carbohydrate intake during/before an audax.

To be honest I'm not that unhappy with my weight these days - it's vastly better than it was half a year ago and I can live with my current weight if it remains static  -although it is overall still dropping from the new year give or take a few blips.  It would be very nice to be 14-15 stone again though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 February, 2013, 03:31:00 pm
Interesting that others have had my experience!  Thanks for the advice, I will think on it, although I'm rather reluctant to reduce carbohydrate intake during/before an audax.
Cutting down on carbs just for endurance exercise sounds like a recipe for disaster. You wont be as acclimatised for using fat for fuel and will almost definitely bonk, badly, unless you can sustainably ride at quite a low effort.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 27 February, 2013, 03:47:45 pm
Well indeed.  Hence my reluctance ;)

Was the advice meant as a general all the time thing then?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 27 February, 2013, 03:56:27 pm
I've lost 200g (or so) this week.  I weighed myself after having had breakfast a few hours before, so not the normal test conditions.  I have not ridden my bike at all this week, and barely walked anywhere, so it's all down to reducing intake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 February, 2013, 04:02:16 pm
Was the advice meant as a general all the time thing then?

For sure.
Thread here (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=67736.0)

I'm not sure I'd go so far as calling it 'advice'. It's an option that has worked for many people.

(I'm special - nothing works for me has yet worked for me, except marital breakdown and heavy smoking. Not really recommended.)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 27 February, 2013, 06:06:20 pm
I have stopped losing weight, mainly because I'm eating too much (doh!). But that's a function of being very busy at work, which involves a lot of sitting down for up to 12 hours in one place with little to do but eat, and hence less time to get on the bike, go to the gym, get out and walk etc. Explainable but bloody annoying. Must Eat Less!

 :o

If I had your job, I'd be too busy looking out of the window at the clouds/northern lights (delete as applicable).

 :)

I do that, Chris - a lot, and I love it! But it does nothing for the waistline!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 February, 2013, 07:14:41 pm
I have stopped losing weight, mainly because I'm eating too much (doh!). But that's a function of being very busy at work, which involves a lot of sitting down for up to 12 hours in one place with little to do but eat, and hence less time to get on the bike, go to the gym, get out and walk etc. Explainable but bloody annoying. Must Eat Less!

 :o

If I had your job, I'd be too busy looking out of the window at the clouds/northern lights (delete as applicable).

 :)

I do that, Chris - a lot, and I love it! But it does nothing for the waistline!

I'd do both as well.

But can't you get some sort of turbo-trainer installed so that you can help power the engines or something? You could propose it under the Staff Suggestion Scheme as part of the company's environmental policy. :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 28 February, 2013, 12:00:53 am
Great idea, Wowsa. I'll work on it. However, I'm not sure it'd do a lot for the punters' confidence to get the impression that the aeroplane's ability to stay airborne depended on the captain's fitness to pedal across the Atlantic!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 01 March, 2013, 05:07:56 pm
This
'The AoMRC encourages NHS staff to pester patients about their weight in every encounter, but what fat person in their right mind would go to the doctor with a verruca, or a funny rash that might just reveal a life-threatening illness, if they know they'll get a right old finger-wagging?'

This I find quite offensive at the doctor's these days. If I go to the doctor because I want some eczema cream I have to spend 10 minutes getting my blood pressure measured, getting weighed and then getting lectured.  >:(

Really they can just fark off.
Here's what one size activist has to say about that http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/healthcare-fault-and-fat-people/

I haven't been doing much weightloss recently. My eating has been poor for the past couple of weeks and today was the first time I'd swum in over a week. But it's a long road and I'm not going to beat myself up about it. My lovely black moleskin trousers (which annoyingly don't have belt loops) are falling off me, all my knickers feel less tight and one of our homecare organisers commented yesterday that I was looking thinner. I am going to have to buy new trousers soon - I am having to hoik my jeans right up into ankleflappers and belt them really tightly to keep them up.

I don't get 'the hunger' post Audax either.

Fboab, I feel your pain. I am now at the point where I need to burn crazy amounts every day to even stay stable. Taking the 1 week in 3 where I'm currently throwing up and not eating or really doing any exercise out of the equation, I'm eating 1500 a day, and burning off 1500+ in exercise. The maths quite clearly doesn't add up. #bangsheadonwall
Is it possible you're not eating enough? http://fitisafeministissue.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/metaboolic-health-is-a-feminist-issue/
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 01 March, 2013, 05:15:31 pm
Nice, I shall bear those tips in mind although I'm now of a size and level of fitness where I probably won't have that problem anymore (for the time being at least) :thumbsup:

That's a nice wardrobe issue to have isn't it :-)  I recall that one of the unexpected expenses of taking up cycling last year was the not the need to buy lycra cycling tights and overshoes but more the need to buy an entirely new set of normal clothes because my old ones got so baggy I started to look like Charlie Chaplin's stunt double.  The extra expense I did not mind on that occasion.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 06 March, 2013, 07:56:46 am
The elusive initial '13' still eludes me  >:(
That's what elusive things do. :P
It's still being elusive >:( >:(
No longer elusive!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: 13-12 this morning.  That's the lightest since I started my period of working away last spring.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 06 March, 2013, 08:12:49 am
Oops!  Small oops, but sadly significant.

I will be riding a bike for a short distance tomorrow.  I hope one day to be a cyclist ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 06 March, 2013, 08:57:04 am
Slight rise this week. I'm not surprised, as I thought the fall the previous week was too large.

Still a bit disappointed though.

Need to do more training.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 06 March, 2013, 09:03:27 am
Bad News: Roughly the same weight I was at the end of January  >:(

Better News: BF% down from 20-22% at the end of Jan to 16-18% today  :thumbsup:

Weight is such a rubbish metric. Yesterday it was 80.0, today more than a kilo more. WTF?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 06 March, 2013, 09:15:06 am
I suppose I could look it up, but chatting is more fun ;) - how does one work out ones body fat %ge?

(I'm not sure I want to know - but I'm damn sure it's better than it was last May)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ran doner on 06 March, 2013, 09:21:34 am
Back up again this week - not unexpected.

On the bright side (until next weigh-in), there is a plane ticket for Prague with my name on for tomorrow.  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 06 March, 2013, 09:37:35 am
I suppose I could look it up, but chatting is more fund ;) - how does one work out ones body fat %ge?

The best way is with a DEXA scan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-energy_X-ray_absorptiometry), but I can't fit one of those in my garage and get the Volvo in.

So, for the layman at home - you have body fat scales, eg: Tanita - which are widely viewed as pretty rubbish for this purpose (and with good reason), manual calipers using one three or seven body sites (one - pretty inaccurate, three and seven - increasingly accurate; all require practice to get consistent results) and finally, the good old tape measure.

The scales are very susceptible to variations due to hydration, but if you use some over a period of time you get a "feel" for how they react to you, and you can get a reasonable estimation of bf%.
Calipers are pretty accurate once you get practiced, so you're consistent.
Tape measure is obvious. This doesn't give you a bf% of course, but it gives you an idea of changes in shape that are going on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 06 March, 2013, 09:42:28 am
Sounds all a bit too much of a faff to be honest, I don't think I'm bothered enough to go out and buy calipers and such.

I guess the fact that back in november(ish) I had to invest in an almost entirely new wardrobe of clothes (particularly trousers) as I'd lost 4 inches off the waist size is a good indicator :-)

Dropped back down again today anyway.  Under 16 stone again and 101 kg - lovely jubbly.  The 100 kilo barrier is looming  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: shyumu on 06 March, 2013, 10:07:11 am
Self control is gone.

Weight appears to love my midriff too much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 March, 2013, 10:21:37 am
I guess the fact that back in november(ish) I had to invest in an almost entirely new wardrobe of clothes (particularly trousers) as I'd lost 4 inches off the waist size is a good indicator :-)

Are your shirts less tight round the collar too? That's another good indicator of fat loss.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 March, 2013, 10:22:27 am
Self control isn't something we should be relying on to lose weight. It's like the first 3 days of giving up smoking, every day.
Managing your (my) carbohydrate intake, and therefore insulin response, does seem to make "making the right food choices" easier. But I haven't lost weight despite a theoretical calorie deficit so I can't, really, recommend it.
I suspect I have, as the yanks say, "damaged my metabolism" by decades of poor diet, as well as taking drugs that make it harder to shed fat.
At the end of the day, there's more to who we are than how big we are.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 March, 2013, 10:35:33 am
I have sort of introduced a "no beer, cheese and cake when at home" rule for this month. I think the beer bit will be broken this evening when My Pal Jon comes round.

So far the rule doesn't seem not to be working in that I was exactly the same weight this morning as I was last Wednesday. The last few days, with some rather warmer weather, have also seen a return to sensible levels of cycling. I managed over 30 lovely miles yesterday without actually doing very much - just pottering around Southend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 06 March, 2013, 11:28:07 am
I have sort of introduced a "no beer, cheese and cake when at home" rule for this month. I think the beer bit will be broken this evening when My Pal Jon comes round.

I've tried to enforce a "no solitary drinking" rule - drinking at home is fine, as long as it's in company.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 06 March, 2013, 11:40:39 am
Down another half a kilo this week, steady today and yesterday. Which is a nice surprise, because I skipped a fasting day yesterday so I'd have enough fuel for a training ride. Onwards and downwards for me: might hit my target weight (for September) by the end of this month...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 March, 2013, 11:47:00 am
I guess the fact that back in november(ish) I had to invest in an almost entirely new wardrobe of clothes (particularly trousers) as I'd lost 4 inches off the waist size is a good indicator :-)

Are your shirts less tight round the collar too? That's another good indicator of fat loss.

d.

A tape measure is cheap and reliable.
Measure neck, waist, bum, thighs.
Record, observe, discuss.
Thighs should hopefully be mostly muscle; see what you can pinch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 06 March, 2013, 11:50:57 am
As a company perk we get free gym membership, so I'm going to gym and have given myself the goal of getting to 20 consecutive chin ups (currently something pathetic like 7), so I'm now not fasting, eating "normally again", and will be back on the fasting when my strength is up at the levels I'd like to maintain. Gym is only 5 mins from the office and another one 10 mins from home, so can go daily. It will be interesting to see how this affects my weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 06 March, 2013, 11:54:49 am
I guess the fact that back in november(ish) I had to invest in an almost entirely new wardrobe of clothes (particularly trousers) as I'd lost 4 inches off the waist size is a good indicator :-)

Are your shirts less tight round the collar too? That's another good indicator of fat loss.

d.

I'm too much of a scruff to wear shirts with the collar done up  ;D

(Interesting thought though - I do have a huge bull-neck - almost outsize)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 09 March, 2013, 02:14:58 pm
Bad News: Roughly the same weight I was at the end of January  >:(

Better News: BF% down from 20-22% at the end of Jan to 16-18% today  :thumbsup:

Weight is such a rubbish metric. Yesterday it was 80.0, today more than a kilo more. WTF?

??? Your weight varies by a kilo or more every day, as you eat and excrete. That doesn't make it a poor measurement. Those other 80 kilos are quite meaningful.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 March, 2013, 02:32:39 pm
Bad News: Roughly the same weight I was at the end of January  >:(

Better News: BF% down from 20-22% at the end of Jan to 16-18% today  :thumbsup:

Weight is such a rubbish metric. Yesterday it was 80.0, today more than a kilo more. WTF?

??? Your weight varies by a kilo or more every day, as you eat and excrete. That doesn't make it a poor measurement. Those other 80 kilos are quite meaningful.

Quite. 'A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter'. You also drink and pee. Your bladder, stomach and other places of temporary storage won't always be empty when you weigh yourself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: loadsabikes on 09 March, 2013, 03:31:07 pm
As a company perk we get free gym membership, so I'm going to gym and have given myself the goal of getting to 20 consecutive chin ups (currently something pathetic like 7), so I'm now not fasting, eating "normally again", and will be back on the fasting when my strength is up at the levels I'd like to maintain. Gym is only 5 mins from the office and another one 10 mins from home, so can go daily. It will be interesting to see how this affects my weight.
Why stop fasting? The whole point of fasting is to encourage your system to burn fat.
It won't have much effect on gaining strength, that's about training and repetition.
You will definitely find you can do more chins if you are lighter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 09 March, 2013, 06:20:11 pm
My lovely black moleskin trousers (which annoyingly don't have belt loops) are falling off me, all my knickers feel less tight and one of our homecare organisers commented yesterday that I was looking thinner. I am going to have to buy new trousers soon - I am having to hoik my jeans right up into ankleflappers and belt them really tightly to keep them up.
Or not. I just spent 45 minutes raking through the wardrobe and found jeans and several pairs of trousers I've been unable to wear for a couple of years which now fit - in fact some are slightly loose. And I am embarrassed by the number of pairs of black trousers I own. *considers opening small shop selling nothing but black trousers* I do need to buy new tops though; several of my work tops are getting holey.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 09 March, 2013, 08:26:31 pm
My weight has gone a bit out of control this last week or three. I am 73kg today so I'm 5kg heavier than 6 months ago. My milage is way up but I think my calorie consumption is up too. I will have to start refusing seconds of rhubarb crumble. :(

I'm 73 at the mo'. Want to be back at 68 for LEL. I have to stop using the change in terrain as an excuse to have double breakfast and mid morning cake. I may have to get back on MFP, as having to log everyfuckingthing that passes ones lips kinda spoils it.

I have to say, I think my fancy beans, grinder and aeropress habit isn't helping. Delicious cake goes so well with delicious coffee. Back on the water for a bit, I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 09 March, 2013, 08:54:53 pm
Am under 70kg at the moment but am about to fly to Istanbul for several days.  Love Turkish food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 March, 2013, 09:16:56 pm
68kg isn’t necessary for LEL. But, it will help.

I’ve stopped the rot. I’m considering calorie counting to start slowly losing weight.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 13 March, 2013, 06:47:29 am
Well. I can't remember the last time I was under 80Kg, but it was at least 11 years ago when I quit smoking, took up M&Ms and inflated like a balloon.

 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 March, 2013, 07:39:37 am
That's nice dear.
Now why the Fuck isn't it working for me?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 13 March, 2013, 07:43:36 am
Hmm, the uncontrolled eating post my last audax is coming home to roost.  Set back by more than a month :-(

Time to start controlling the diet properly - it seems the cycling is no longer having the effect it once did.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pippa on 13 March, 2013, 08:59:01 am
My weight has stayed fairly constant for the last 2 months. That's not bad going considering I haven't really been trying to lose weight. Well, I'd like to lose weight but I've not been making much any effort to watch what I eat. Still, I guess that is a good result as at least I'm not overeating. Now I need to start under eating again. Properly this time. And get back to trying to go for a run at least twice a week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 March, 2013, 09:03:47 am
Although I'm freshly back on the bike, I haven't ridden far or hard, and I've had a very indulgent week of food.  So I'm up again, but a modest 200g again. 

Now I'm getting back to health, I am planning to start recording food on MFP again, which should help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 13 March, 2013, 09:05:02 am
Another loss this week. Which is good, as I was getting a bit down at the scales not moving.

Amazingly, I broke my no-carb rule and had a piece of cake while I was out one day with limited options. (Plus, I was missing cake). My breath was bad the day after, but it did seem to kick start weight loss again. Or, it was co-incidence. I'm leaning towards co-incidence, but I'm willing to experiment again  ;)

The good news is that my waist size is still shrinking.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 13 March, 2013, 10:00:17 am
Down another 0.3kg, which is not much.

However I skipped a fast day last week, then carbo-loaded the night before a 200k which I DNF'd after just a few kilometres (whiteout blizzards, I wasn't the only one who packed there and then).

So not bad considering. Back on to the full fasting regime this week. Target weight here I come!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 13 March, 2013, 10:29:14 am
Sigh.... reporting back in after putting on nearly a stone since Christmas. The lack of bike based exercise (less than 100miles this year so far!) and my overeating is killing me.... literally. I can feel my diabetes coming back into my feet and fingers and I am drinking/weeing much more than I was.

So, started trying again on Saturday and a kilo has gone so far. Its a start but I need to get out on my bike and do some miles: swimming is good but my heart rate doesn't get above 60% of my maximum heart rate when doing so.

As for overeating... I am cutting down on fat and trying to eat more fruit and veg.... and no, chips do not count as being one of your five a day Ian!!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 March, 2013, 10:59:42 am
I have not been weighed.
I am still eating sensibly.
I have lost only 1.5kg since New Year but that is still on target for 6kg loss for the year.
I have lost 9kg since the start of 2012 and will keep going...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 March, 2013, 11:03:04 am
I have not been weighed.
I am still eating sensibly.
I have lost only 1.5kg since New Year but that is still on target for 6kg loss for the year.
I have lost 9kg since the start of 2012 and will keep going...

That's a nice steady weight loss rate.

I'm 73.0kg this morning. Roughly, static. I've been lazy the last couple of days and not cycled to work, been too tired. Manana.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 March, 2013, 11:36:18 am
I have a Very Fat Weekend eatathon coming up...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 13 March, 2013, 11:39:42 am
I managed to lose 2.1 kg in a day. Admittedly I gained the 2kg over the space of a week, but it was all water weight, that I evidently peed out over the space of 24hrs. I've never seen as dramatic a change as that before.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2013, 05:25:52 pm
You've never had giardiasis. :-X

I've been pretty constant over the past month or so, which is disappointing in some ways, but not too bad in others, since I've hardly been out what with all this weather. I have, so far, succeeded in my beer-, cheese- and cake-at-home-free March, apart from the cake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 March, 2013, 05:29:55 pm
You've never had giardiasis. :-X

I didn't think that giardiasis caused water loss through the urine but I left medical school last millennium...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 13 March, 2013, 05:31:21 pm
Still slow and steady but downwards :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2013, 05:42:02 pm
You've never had giardiasis. :-X

I didn't think that giardiasis caused water loss through the urine but I left medical school last millennium...

I was specifically talking about rapid weight loss by any means. I think that with giardia, 3kg in 5 minutes is not out of the question. DNAHIKT.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 March, 2013, 06:43:01 pm
I'm thinking of adding the ability to add waist measurement to the graphs. This would involve a bit of coding work on my part and if you measure your waist, adding it to the graph entry thus:

xx.xkg xxcm

If you miss out the units then it can be made to work as well (units are optional at present). I probably could stretch to supporting arcane units such as inches once I've got cm working.

Then I would add a waist graph and another which is waist:height ratio as this is a better predictor of risk than BMI.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 19 March, 2013, 10:49:57 am
I might leave it a bit before adding mine.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 March, 2013, 11:05:49 am
Come on! Impress us!

I had a natter with an exhausted daughter this morning. Her bump is enormous and she's still got another 5 weeks until her scheduled date for the caesarian. She stops work next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 19 March, 2013, 03:19:03 pm
On a bit of a whim, I recalculated my BMR; first time this year since losing some lard.

 :o

1650kcals? Is that all?

Dear oh dear...  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 March, 2013, 03:29:46 pm
Welcome to the energy budget of a thin person.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 March, 2013, 03:35:49 pm
Welcome to the energy budget of a thin person.

 ;D ;D

David is now down to 61.5 kg (but still can't see his abs), I've just had a weekend eatathon and have not been weighed recently.

We're still 'being sensible' and David is exercising every day. I don't want him less than 60kg. We'll get to where we want, eventually.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 19 March, 2013, 04:41:16 pm
Does anyone log hours slept along with weight lost? I think I need to start doing it, as there seems to be a strong correlation for me. Or it could just be when I'm sleeping, I'm not eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 19 March, 2013, 05:34:10 pm
<...>I don't want him less than 60kg. We'll get to where we want, eventually.

can he decide how much should he weigh? :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 March, 2013, 05:45:31 pm
Does anyone log hours slept along with weight lost? I think I need to start doing it, as there seems to be a strong correlation for me. Or it could just be when I'm sleeping, I'm not eating.
I was just reading about this today. There's a high correlation between obesity and less sleep but no evidence which way the causality goes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 March, 2013, 05:58:20 pm
http://genesdev.cshlp.org/content/21/12/1443.long



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 March, 2013, 06:54:38 pm
<...>I don't want him less than 60kg. We'll get to where we want, eventually.

can he decide how much should he weigh? :D

I would prefer not to sleep with a skeleton! He might be lightly built but I don't think a BMI of <20 would be healthy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 19 March, 2013, 07:22:21 pm
David is now down to 61.5 kg (but still can't see his abs)

I can't see my abs even when my body fat is (DEXA) 7%.

My BMI is 20.2 atm. It was 19.9 when my BF was 7%. I thought that was low, but the chap I rode with at the weekend who does ultras, ironman and the like keeps his at 6%.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 March, 2013, 07:43:46 pm
David is now down to 61.5 kg (but still can't see his abs)

I can't see my abs even when my body fat is (DEXA) 7%.

My BMI is 20.2 atm. It was 19.9 when my BF was 7%. I thought that was low, but the chap I rode with at the weekend who does ultras, ironman and the like keeps his at 6%.

I don't *know* David's BF but would estimate it as >10%. I can still 'pinch an inch' in many places.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 March, 2013, 08:27:00 pm
My BMI is 22 and BF is according to scales 17%. I can just about pinch an inch on the love handles. Nowhere else though. Noticeably less surface fat on stomach after weekend 200k. But no change in weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 20 March, 2013, 07:43:50 am
A couple of little milestones this week: I have lost half a stone since the beginning of the year and I am now back to the lightest I was in 2012 (before I started working away from home and eating in pubs and hotels for the rest of the year).  And half way to my target for the year.   :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 20 March, 2013, 07:47:03 am
Another Kilo lost this week. Definitely averaging a Kilo a week now. I'm very happy with that, considering that I'm not hungry all the time, and my riding has improved a lot after getting over the start of Keto hump.

Did 55km yesterday on some cheese, ham and an unbattered sausage from a chip shop. Considering the problems I've always had with fuelling myself on a ride, that was fantastic.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 20 March, 2013, 07:52:07 am
Did 55km yesterday on some cheese, ham and an unbattered sausage from a chip shop. Considering the problems I've always had with fuelling myself on a ride, that was fantastic.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 20 March, 2013, 08:27:13 am
I'd like a lot
For there to be
Quite a lot
Less of me.


Chris & I are both down this week- mine is because I haven't eaten anything or drunk much since yesterday lunchtime as I have a crater in my mouth where a molar used to be; and so No1Daughter made soup for tea last night. It wasn't very nice, and so Chris didn't eat much either.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 20 March, 2013, 08:41:52 am
Chris & I are both down this week- mine is because I haven't eaten anything or drunk much since yesterday lunchtime as I have a crater in my mouth where a molar used to be; and so No1Daughter made soup for tea last night. It wasn't very nice, and so Chris didn't eat much either.

Dentistry and bad soup diet. There must be a fad diet book you could get serialised in the daily mail out of that.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 20 March, 2013, 08:55:48 am
Well not riding a bike for over a week and not watching my food as much has had the inevitable consequence - up 400g this week.

Oh well, it's a reminder of why I need to be strict with what I eat at any rate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 20 March, 2013, 09:37:34 am
Same here although it's four days off the bike due to illness and injury plus more than that of overeating.

Building up reserves for the Dean on Saturday, honest.  O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 20 March, 2013, 09:48:30 am
The bad weather north of the border has meant one DNF and one DNS for audaxing in the past week and a half. Still fasting though, so down another 0.4kg this week. Staying off booze definitely helps, but isn't enough; I cycle most days, but that just helps my cardio, leg muscles and general fitness. I need the two fast days a week, plus the odd longer ride.

Original target was 74kg by September, but it looks like I'll make that sometime in April. So revised target is 70kg by September.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 March, 2013, 10:13:31 am
I know it's been a bad week, but at least I've been back on my bike, so I hope there's a turning of the tide.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ran doner on 20 March, 2013, 02:22:04 pm
I'm going in the right direction still, even after a week away boozing.

I've been given the OK to start cycling and swimming again and have a full week in hotels
in the run up to easter so next goal is to get through that with no weight gain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 20 March, 2013, 02:48:12 pm
Does anyone log hours slept along with weight lost? I think I need to start doing it, as there seems to be a strong correlation for me. Or it could just be when I'm sleeping, I'm not eating.
Well I pretty much always sleep well and am lardy so on that scientific sampling of 1 I would say not!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 23 March, 2013, 02:56:12 pm
I really need to join in on this. I've decided that I really don't want to be fat when I'm thirty, and I'm realising that I only have just over a year in which to get it sorted. And I've got over 20kg to lose. $CurseWords.  :'( :'(

I'm getting back on MFP in an effort to rein in my terrible diet, and I've invested in a turbo trainer so that the weather is no excuse to get my legs working again. Fingers crossed that I can stick at it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 23 March, 2013, 06:10:45 pm
Last August my BMI was 34.9. Now it's 32.3.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 March, 2013, 06:18:22 pm
Last January my BMI was 27. Now it's 24.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 March, 2013, 06:21:08 pm
I'm going in the wrong direction and I blame the weather.  :P

I'm about 400 miles behind where I should be at the moment. That's about 40 hours' cycling at about 600 calories per hour. If 3500 calories equate to a pound of fat, then that's around 7lb I should have lost.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 23 March, 2013, 06:39:36 pm
Last January my BMI was 33. It still is.
Imagine how fat I'd be if I hadn't ridden 15,000km since then.

Perhaps a lot less, is my thinking. Before I started cycling again in 2004 I was 68kg.

Hot news: exercise makes you me fat.

I'm about 400 miles behind where I should be at the moment.
I'm about 10kg behind where I 'should' be. (9,000kcal/kg of lard = 90,000) So if (very much an if) I used 600kcal/hour cycling at 24kph that's 150 hours cycling= 3600km. I've ridden quite a lot so far, this year, 2300km. But I need to have done more than double that to achieve my weight loss goals? Yeah, as they say, right.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 March, 2013, 06:44:24 pm
I was around 12 stone at New Year in my 11,000 mile/year days.
I've not cycled for over 10 years and am rather lighter.
Cycling might have kept me fat...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 23 March, 2013, 06:45:16 pm
Boab I think we seem to be very similar in that respect.

According to calculations, I should lose about a stone a month. Yeah whatever.

And this week, I have not kept a single morsel of food down since Tuesday? Huge weight loss? Errr yeah, a massive 1.5lbs, which will be water and go straight back on again.

Maybe we should try an experiment where we just sit on the sofa, do nothing and just eat fish n chips?!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 23 March, 2013, 06:58:31 pm
I suppose the difference is, ladies, that if I weighed 12 stone and stayed there it would be 10kg less than I am now. That would be great. I'm not just 'a bit overweight' or 'carrying a few extra pounds', I'm obese. I eat healthily (no cake, no sugar, lots of vegetables, less than 2,000 calories a day) and I'm very active, and it's not shifting, despite a calorie controlled diet, despite a low carb diet.
Lady Cav is wibbling about the last few lbs. I imagine that's annoying. I need to lose 23kg (that's 3 and a half stone) to have a reasonable BMI and it just isn't happening.

Maybe we should try an experiment where we just sit on the sofa, do nothing and just eat fish n chips?!
I don't even like chips! Sob!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 23 March, 2013, 07:02:26 pm
It's not a case of the last few lbs any more. It used to be...... I need to lose at least a stone, ideally 1.5 stone.....

I'm trying to get back into competitive running, and any thoughts of running for my country again feel impossible at this size.

I really do appreciate how frustrating it is for you though. I don't know what to suggest either.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 26 March, 2013, 12:31:47 pm
I suppose the difference is, ladies, that if I weighed 12 stone and stayed there it would be 10kg less than I am now. That would be great. I'm not just 'a bit overweight' or 'carrying a few extra pounds', I'm obese. I eat healthily (no cake, no sugar, lots of vegetables, less than 2,000 calories a day) and I'm very active, and it's not shifting, despite a calorie controlled diet, despite a low carb diet.
Lady Cav is wibbling about the last few lbs. I imagine that's annoying. I need to lose 23kg (that's 3 and a half stone) to have a reasonable BMI and it just isn't happening.

Maybe we should try an experiment where we just sit on the sofa, do nothing and just eat fish n chips?!
I don't even like chips! Sob!

If it helps you feel any better I need to lose 39kg, and recently seem to have plateaued*. You're definitely not alone.

*I've been moving house and cycling less than normal which hasn't helped.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 March, 2013, 01:35:04 pm
If it helps you feel any better I need to lose 39kg, and recently seem to have plateaued*. You're definitely not alone.

*I've been moving house and cycling less than normal which hasn't helped.

No offense 'shroom, but I ride further (if your MCL line is anything to go by) and faster (if your claimed audax finish times are anything to go by).... and I haven't seen you posting about your other exercise exploits (though I'm guessing and could easily be wrong there, and have no idea how much/what you eat which the other half of the equation).
Crucially- you know why yours isn't working. You're not riding as much and you're not being as careful with what you eat. When you do the 'right' things, you lose weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: eck on 26 March, 2013, 01:47:54 pm
If it helps you feel any better I need to lose 39kg, and recently seem to have plateaued*. You're definitely not alone.

*I've been moving house and cycling less than normal which hasn't helped.

No offense 'shroom, but I ride further (if your MCL line is anything to go by) and faster (if your claimed audax finish times are anything to go by).... and I haven't seen you posting about your other exercise exploits (though I'm guessing and could easily be wrong there, and have no idea how much/what you eat which the other half of the equation).
Crucially- you know why yours isn't working. You're not riding as much and you're not being as careful with what you eat. When you do the 'right' things, you lose weight.
Well, mcshroom, that's you told, eh?  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 26 March, 2013, 01:49:40 pm
If it helps you feel any better I need to lose 39kg, and recently seem to have plateaued*. You're definitely not alone.

*I've been moving house and cycling less than normal which hasn't helped.

No offense 'shroom, but I ride further (if your MCL line is anything to go by) and faster (if your claimed audax finish times are anything to go by).... and I haven't seen you posting about your other exercise exploits (though I'm guessing and could easily be wrong there, and have no idea how much/what you eat which the other half of the equation).
Crucially- you know why yours isn't working. You're not riding as much and you're not being as careful with what you eat. When you do the 'right' things, you lose weight.
Well, mcshroom, that's you told, eh?  ;D
That's the reason I come here - the mutual support ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 March, 2013, 01:59:38 pm
If it helps you feel any better I need to lose 39kg, and recently seem to have plateaued*. You're definitely not alone.

*I've been moving house and cycling less than normal which hasn't helped.

No offense 'shroom, but I ride further (if your MCL line is anything to go by) and faster (if your claimed audax finish times are anything to go by).... and I haven't seen you posting about your other exercise exploits (though I'm guessing and could easily be wrong there, and have no idea how much/what you eat which the other half of the equation).
Crucially- you know why yours isn't working. You're not riding as much and you're not being as careful with what you eat. When you do the 'right' things, you lose weight.
Well, mcshroom, that's you told, eh?  ;D
That's the reason I come here - the mutual support ;D

I'd lend you mine but I'm wearing it at the moment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 March, 2013, 02:07:57 pm
I'm back on MFP as ad libitum feeding is causing slow weight gain. Need to eat more, it says.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 26 March, 2013, 02:51:03 pm
You know that thing where you weigh yourself, and it makes you so miserable that you just eat cake and other crap?  Even though you know, because you aren't stupid, that, obviously, that is stupid.  But you're too miserable about it to care, and anyway too knackered to contemplate Actual Cooking.  And you can't bear to ride your bike because it is physically so completely fucking unpleasant because after 5 miles everything hurts like fuckity when you would need to lose damn near 40kg just in order to not be obese (having never ever been "normal" I don't even aspire to that, just overweight would do) and you discover that, once again, you can't actually go for a walk because you can't walk up the fecking hill any more?

Yeah.

That.

Nobody wins in that game of Top Trumps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 26 March, 2013, 02:59:56 pm
I'm back on MFP as ad libitum feeding is causing slow weight gain. Need to eat more, it says.  ;D

I note that Strava appears to give more realistic calorie estimates than MFP.

I know when I was using MFP religiously, I had to cut ~40% from my calorie allowance to make the numbers fit my historic weightloss.

Weight is coming off slowly here. ICBA to go back on MFP. Instead, I've taken to mediating on how skinny my carbon fibre seatpost is, and how much pain I'll be in if I chub up and am impaled upon it. That, and having entered the Pendle 600 (10AA) are helping me make better food choices.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 26 March, 2013, 03:00:18 pm
(author's note: apologies for the liberal sprinking of profanity in my post. it's been a tough few weeks and my willpower has, along with my get-up-and-go, got up and fucked off. --Chris)

You know that thing where you weigh yourself, and it makes you so miserable that you just eat cake and other crap?  Even though you know, because you aren't stupid, that, obviously, that is stupid.  But you're too miserable about it to care, and anyway too knackered to contemplate Actual Cooking.  And you can't bear to ride your bike because it is physically so completely fucking unpleasant because after 5 miles everything hurts like fuckity when you would need to lose damn near 40kg just in order to not be obese (having never ever been "normal" I don't even aspire to that, just overweight would do) and you discover that, once again, you can't actually go for a walk because you can't walk up the fecking hill any more?

Yeah.

That.

Nobody wins in that game of Top Trumps.

I know exactly how you feel  :(  It's taking all the mental effort I have just to put the bike in the turbo trainer, let alone pedal the thing, and the Dominos website is just far too easy to use.

I think what I need (just me, I can't speak for anyone else) is someone else to crack the whip for me. There's nobody to give me shit for eating the whole tub of Ben'n'Jerrys (oops) or to prod me until I ride the bike.

What a shitter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 March, 2013, 03:15:27 pm
I'm back on MFP as ad libitum feeding is causing slow weight gain. Need to eat more, it says.  ;D

I note that Strava appears to give more realistic calorie estimates than MFP.

I know when I was using MFP religiously, I had to cut ~40% from my calorie allowance to make the numbers fit my historic weightloss.

Weight is coming off slowly here. ICBA to go back on MFP. Instead, I've taken to mediating on how skinny my carbon fibre seatpost is, and how much pain I'll be in if I chub up and am impaled upon it. That, and having entered the Pendle 600 (10AA) are helping me make better food choices.

Strava's estimates seem on the low side to me. I haven't entered any exercise into MFP for today, it says I should eat more because I've not eaten very much.  ;D

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 26 March, 2013, 03:16:52 pm
I think what I need (just me, I can't speak for anyone else) is someone else to crack the whip for me. There's nobody to give me shit for eating the whole tub of Ben'n'Jerrys (oops) or to prod me until I ride the bike.

Funny you should say that, Boab said much the same to me - she'd be better off if there was someone (no - not me, that wouldn't work!) to give her the food, and that was all she would be allowed.

I decided against suggesting a spell in prison  :-X.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 26 March, 2013, 03:19:36 pm
I'm back on MFP as ad libitum feeding is causing slow weight gain. Need to eat more, it says.  ;D

I note that Strava appears to give more realistic calorie estimates than MFP.

I know when I was using MFP religiously, I had to cut ~40% from my calorie allowance to make the numbers fit my historic weightloss.

Weight is coming off slowly here. ICBA to go back on MFP. Instead, I've taken to mediating on how skinny my carbon fibre seatpost is, and how much pain I'll be in if I chub up and am impaled upon it. That, and having entered the Pendle 600 (10AA) are helping me make better food choices.

Strava's estimates seem on the low side to me. I haven't entered any exercise into MFP for today, it says I should eat more because I've not eaten very much.  ;D

(Goes to check)

 :o

Well - you haven't eaten very much! As of now (mid-afternoon), I've had almost three times the calories as you! And no commute.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 March, 2013, 03:21:00 pm
You know that thing where you weigh yourself, and it makes you so miserable that you just eat cake and other crap?  Even though you know, because you aren't stupid, that, obviously, that is stupid.  But you're too miserable about it to care, and anyway too knackered to contemplate Actual Cooking.  And you can't bear to ride your bike because it is physically so completely fucking unpleasant because after 5 miles everything hurts like fuckity when you would need to lose damn near 40kg just in order to not be obese (having never ever been "normal" I don't even aspire to that, just overweight would do) and you discover that, once again, you can't actually go for a walk because you can't walk up the fecking hill any more?

Yeah.

That.

Nobody wins in that game of Top Trumps.
If it's any consolation there's a lot of it about.

Riding a bike is meant to be fun. What makes it fun is either pleasant conditions so that you can cycle as slowly as you like and still enjoy it, or good company. Solo rides when it's so cold that you get a headache, even though you are wrapped up in all sorts of insulation material, are Not Fun. The alternative is sitting at the computer and pretending it's a bike ride, eating the cake and drinking the beer anyway. I'm kidding myslef that one day it will become warm and I will start cycling again. Utility rides aren't enough.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 March, 2013, 03:27:59 pm
I'm back on MFP as ad libitum feeding is causing slow weight gain. Need to eat more, it says.  ;D

I note that Strava appears to give more realistic calorie estimates than MFP.

I know when I was using MFP religiously, I had to cut ~40% from my calorie allowance to make the numbers fit my historic weightloss.

Weight is coming off slowly here. ICBA to go back on MFP. Instead, I've taken to mediating on how skinny my carbon fibre seatpost is, and how much pain I'll be in if I chub up and am impaled upon it. That, and having entered the Pendle 600 (10AA) are helping me make better food choices.

Strava's estimates seem on the low side to me. I haven't entered any exercise into MFP for today, it says I should eat more because I've not eaten very much.  ;D

(Goes to check)

 :o

Well - you haven't eaten very much! As of now (mid-afternoon), I've had almost three times the calories as you! And no commute.

Well, I hadn't got round to adding the 3rd coffee of the day, or the tin of soup. Both added since I posted that I needed to eat more. But that still leaves me on only 622 calories consumed so far, and hungry. I drove in today, so no exercise to speak of, but that still leaves me with 1250 calories left. I'm hungry, but that shouldn't be surprising given how little I've eaten so far.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 March, 2013, 03:28:29 pm
I think not logging it is making me a bit more relaxed and that I'm eating less.

Not eating carbs has evicted binge eating pretty thoroughly. I don't even really fancy cake, tbh.  :o
It's very hard to overdo it on egg mayonnaise  ;)

But I'm not logging it, so I don't know.  ;D

I think I've lost weight this week. Presumably what I did at the weekend (staying in bed, pretty much) burnt more calories than 200k the other weekends in March did.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 26 March, 2013, 03:42:29 pm
Well, I hadn't got round to adding the 3rd coffee of the day, or the tin of soup. Both added since I posted that I needed to eat more. But that still leaves me on only 622 calories consumed so far, and hungry. I drove in today, so no exercise to speak of, but that still leaves me with 1250 calories left. I'm hungry, but that shouldn't be surprising given how little I've eaten so far.

For me (and Boab, I think) this has been one of the most striking aspects of low-carbing. Hunger is a completely different sensation. Not only that, hunger seems completely detached from energy level - so I can be hungry in so far as my guts are grumbling, but it doesn't slow the energy flow at all, and there is no mental imperative to eat.

Normal diet hunger: EAT NOW YOU BASTARD!!! OI LISTEN TO ME! FEEEEED MEEEE  >:(.

Low carb hunger: Erm. When you've next got a moment... y'know, I know you're busy and everything... but it's empty down here, so when you get a chance...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 26 March, 2013, 03:52:50 pm
Y'know those spinning and gym classes we're all so sniffy about. Well, fact is for the last 4~6 weeks, for five days a week or more I've put in 45 minutes fairly intense exercise on a bike shaped object, and whilst it's not getting any easier (it never gets easier; you just work harder) I can now just about pace my self through each session with the resistence settings at a vaguely respectable level. I get the impression that most of the others in the class - a couple of chaps but mostly gurls of all shapes and sizes - are just spinning the pedals but who knows/who cares, they are getting a cardio workout. As a fixer though, my quads need to feel the burn. Anyway when it comes to weight loss and general fitness, it's definately on-trend to focus on intensity as much as duration, and that's what I get from the spin classes. I'm utterly incapable of using a turbo left to my own devices - peer pressure is a wonderful thing - and unless you have some stonking hills to hand its hard to work as intensly on the road as you can in the gym.

The point is that if what you're doing isn't working then it makes sense to try something else. Especially if it doesn't involve cold, wind and rain. I'm lucky I guess because I have a local gym and can get to the early morning sessions. It's pretty cool to walk away from the gym at 8am knowing you're set for the day.

Probably posted this in the wrong place but hope it helps.

FWIW my weights plateauing a bit right now but I'll get over it. Other stuff may come and go but right nowI'm pretty commited to the spin classes to keep me in-line, at least till the weather gets a bit warmer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 March, 2013, 04:10:53 pm
I've done a few spinning classes. I find it incredibly hard work. Probably over-doing it, hitting my max HR etc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 March, 2013, 04:23:46 pm
Well, I hadn't got round to adding the 3rd coffee of the day, or the tin of soup. Both added since I posted that I needed to eat more. But that still leaves me on only 622 calories consumed so far, and hungry. I drove in today, so no exercise to speak of, but that still leaves me with 1250 calories left. I'm hungry, but that shouldn't be surprising given how little I've eaten so far.

For me (and Boab, I think) this has been one of the most striking aspects of low-carbing. Hunger is a completely different sensation. Not only that, hunger seems completely detached from energy level - so I can be hungry in so far as my guts are grumbling, but it doesn't slow the energy flow at all, and there is no mental imperative to eat.

Normal diet hunger: EAT NOW YOU BASTARD!!! OI LISTEN TO ME! FEEEEED MEEEE  >:(.

Low carb hunger: Erm. When you've next got a moment... y'know, I know you're busy and everything... but it's empty down here, so when you get a chance...

Normally, I don't find it too bad. Yesterday I had a 1,000 calorie deficit which is catching up with me a bit today. My target is a 250 calorie deficit.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 26 March, 2013, 05:30:42 pm
Come on, cheer up folks!  ;D

I've eaten less than 400 calories so far today, as I'm on a fasting day (still doing that intermittent fasting thang). Dinner will be between 200 and 300 calories all in. It will taste great, because food does when you're feeling HUNGRY.

Hunger pangs not too bad today. I find it helps if you've got plenty to occupy yourself. That's why I usually fast at work, most days I simply don't have time to notice I'm a bit peckish...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 March, 2013, 06:41:37 am
I think I've lost weight this week.
Or not.
Whatevs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 27 March, 2013, 07:00:03 am
I've done a few spinning classes. I find it incredibly hard work. Probably over-doing it, hitting my max HR etc.

On another thread ... Sufferfest vids if you think you are not YET overdoing it. (tbh I can't hack the suggested cadence for much more than the warm up, but the idea is that you put in a % of your own ability)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 27 March, 2013, 08:34:34 am
Usual first-week "easy" loss. Hard work starts now.  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 27 March, 2013, 09:30:36 am
I've done a few spinning classes. I find it incredibly hard work. Probably over-doing it, hitting my max HR etc.

On another thread ... Sufferfest vids if you think you are not YET overdoing it. (tbh I can't hack the suggested cadence for much more than the warm up, but the idea is that you put in a % of your own ability)


Did my first Sufferfest last week.

Oh my.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 27 March, 2013, 10:03:11 am
Down another 1.1kg this week. I've now reached the target that I originally set for the end of September. 4kg have come off in less than two months. So I've a new target, to lose another 4kg. Then I should be at what I consider an 'optimal' BMI and % body fat. I'll just stick to the intermittent fasting, it's manageable and it seems to be working.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 27 March, 2013, 10:10:38 am
Spent the weekend away at a wedding, and properly, properly feasted.  Need to get the eating reined back in. I'm currently an insatiable monster again.  Will look at perhaps kicking off the alternate day fasting again.  It's very difficult once you've gone off it for a while. Especially after a long weekend of waking up to full cooked breakfasts every morning...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 March, 2013, 01:09:47 pm
Have (yet again) not been weighed.
Big Passover meal Monday night.
I think my hip and waist measurements are about 1cm less than when last measured so I am hopeful I might have lost a little.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 27 March, 2013, 02:01:04 pm
Another handy indicator is to just look in the mirror. The slight chubbiness is gone from my cheeks; the double chin is receding; my abdomen, seen in profile looks substantially slimmer than it did two months ago. The love handles, moobs and spare tyre are slowly shrinking. This, to my mind, is the best possible motivation to keep going. That, and power to weight ratio on a bike: just seems less effort to get up hills these days...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 27 March, 2013, 03:26:28 pm
Another handy indicator is to just look in the mirror. The slight chubbiness is gone from my cheeks, the double chin is receding, my abdomen, seen in profile looks substantially slimmer than it did two months ago. The love handles, moobs and spare tyre are slowly shrinking. This, to my mind, is the best possible motivation to keep going. That, and power to weight ratio on a bike: just seems less effort to get up hills these days...
I have set up a couple of mirrors in the bedroom.One is set at the side of the bed so I see myself every time I get out of bed ,not a pretty sight.I look terrible sat on the bed.The other mirror is set up on the wall and that doesn't look as bad if I breathe in.A good motivator,if a tad depressing.
Trouble is I seem to have reached a plateau. I am not doing any special diet,but preparing  my own food and avoiding takeaways and processed foods.On the plus side I have lost quite a lot this year,look thiner in the face and my jeans have become looser.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 March, 2013, 07:26:15 am
Back up this week.  :(
But not surprising considering what I eat over the weekend (Party on Saturday night with excellent buffet.  Don't often get cheese like that!) and of course the weather is still curbing the exercise. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 28 March, 2013, 02:38:13 pm
Another handy indicator is to just look in the mirror. The slight chubbiness is gone from my cheeks, the double chin is receding, my abdomen, seen in profile looks substantially slimmer than it did two months ago. The love handles, moobs and spare tyre are slowly shrinking. This, to my mind, is the best possible motivation to keep going. That, and power to weight ratio on a bike: just seems less effort to get up hills these days...
I have set up a couple of mirrors in the bedroom.One is set at the side of the bed so I see myself every time I get out of bed ,not a pretty sight.I look terrible sat on the bed.The other mirror is set up on the wall and that doesn't look as bad if I breathe in.A good motivator,if a tad depressing.
Trouble is I seem to have reached a plateau. I am not doing any special diet,but preparing  my own food and avoiding takeaways and processed foods.On the plus side I have lost quite a lot this year,look thiner in the face and my jeans have become looser.

Suspicious of self-disgust as a motivating tool.  Tends to depress people.  Which can lead on to self-defeating comfort eating (and worse).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 28 March, 2013, 08:26:31 pm

Suspicious of self-disgust as a motivating tool.  Tends to depress people.  Which can lead on to self-defeating comfort eating (and worse).

I wasn't referring to self-disgust, It's the visible improvement which is motivating. You can literally see what has been achieved.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2013, 10:25:30 pm
You can now add your waist, in cm. You need to add weight at the same time or it will be treated as weight (order is weight then waist).

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 29 March, 2013, 12:37:33 am
Need to join in this again. A lot of work to do...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 March, 2013, 12:58:05 am
For anyone who wants to record their waist, and has also recorded their height, the graph computes the waist:height ratio. Wikipedia has a page giving a table here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist-to-height_ratio

The ratio should ideally be <0.5. Obese is defined as 0.5770 and above and substantially increased risk 0.5820. As with BMI, I will add some coloured bands to represent the ranges when I have time. Mine is about 0.44; I haven’t measured my waist today, I’m assuming it is about the same as it was last time!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 March, 2013, 01:03:52 am
0.45. I think that's OK...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 29 March, 2013, 12:30:45 pm
You guys must be youngsters. Luckily we greybeards get a 'safe' ratio between 0.5 and 0.6. I'm currently at 0.528, hope to be closer to 0.5 in a couple of months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 March, 2013, 01:37:49 pm
I am female so my waist is somewhat smaller than the chaps' but I'm nearly 55 so not very young...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 March, 2013, 04:22:08 pm
I’m 41. Not young. At my fattest, in 2009, my waist was 87cm, for a ratio of 0.48.

I weigh very nearly as much now but my waist is much smaller.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 29 March, 2013, 08:12:48 pm
I've done a few spinning classes. I find it incredibly hard work. Probably over-doing it, hitting my max HR etc.

On another thread ... Sufferfest vids if you think you are not YET overdoing it. (tbh I can't hack the suggested cadence for much more than the warm up, but the idea is that you put in a % of your own ability)


Did my first Sufferfest last week.

Oh my.

There was an eency weency clue in the name ;)

Which one? I got the "starter pack" and Angels is my..... for want of a better word... favourite. There is a palpable sense of achievement being able to do more one day than you did before. I couldn't guess whether it was actually worth it or not.....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 29 March, 2013, 11:14:18 pm
Well I'm 46 in a few hours' time. Until late last year, my waistline had been steadily expanding for around the previous decade. The usual reasons: too much of the wrong foods; too much booze; not enough exercise.

I've cut the booze out and I'm working on the other two. As a result, I can fit comfortably into trews I haven't worn since the late 1990s because they were too tight... Not there yet, but should be by the summer - if it ever arrives.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 30 March, 2013, 08:56:14 am
I stepped on the scales yesterday for the first time since early January.I did this 'cause I had a suspicion that I'd lost some weight 'cause my trousers have recently needed the help of a belt or braces to avoid buliders bum.
I've lost 2.5kg....without trying.Not too shabby.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 March, 2013, 01:47:37 pm
Just re-measured my waist, finally found the tape measure. 79cm => 0.43.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 30 March, 2013, 02:52:34 pm
Just measured my waist at 88cm (34in). This isn't really anything to worry about but is slightly alarming because it was down to 82cm (32in) before Christmas and I was having to buy new trousers. I've not been very careful about what I eat over the last few months and have put nearly 3kg back on - and it seems to have all gone on my waist.

The better news is that I've realised I miscalculated my height by mucking up the conversion from feet and inches to centimetres - I had it down as 165cm but it's more like 177cm, so now I've corrected that, I should see a positive adjustment in the BMI graph.  ;D

My WHR is as near as 0.5 as makes no difference (if I call my height 176cm, it's 0.5 precisely). In any case, I'm not concerned about my current weight, which is "healthy". I was hoping to get down to 64kg by the time I do the triathlon at the end of April, but it probably won't happen and I'm not going to obsess about it. I shall at least make an effort to reverse the trend though.

I had a letter from the doctor recently, offering me a free health check now that I've turned 40. That should be fun. The last time I was weighed for medical purposes, I was over 80kg. My mum tested my blood pressure recently and it was 110/60, which again is considerably healthier than the last time it was checked officially. I've also stopped taking the medication that I was on - omeprazole, which I was taking to relieve the symptoms of hiatus hernia - because the weight loss has pretty much eradicated those symptoms (acid reflux).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 30 March, 2013, 05:35:38 pm
My waist height ratio is .39. My waist/hip ratio is .84
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 April, 2013, 08:44:38 am
Wow. Looks like I should ride freezing cold 300s more often  :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 April, 2013, 10:59:15 am
Wow. Looks like I should ride freezing cold 300s more often  :).
Is this a weather forecast for next weekend?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 April, 2013, 11:28:45 am
Wow. Looks like I should ride freezing cold 300s more often  :).
Is this a weather forecast for next weekend?  :facepalm:

God, I hope not.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 April, 2013, 11:33:44 am
I hope the Elynydd isn't a snowy one, mountain roads and snow won't be a good combination.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 April, 2013, 11:35:11 am
I hope the Elynydd isn't a snowy one, mountain roads and snow won't be a good combination.

After this winter, how could it not be?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 03 April, 2013, 05:51:56 pm
Stable.  After a weekend which included 4 pub lunches, some simnell cake and a certain amount of chocolate that has to count as a win.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 03 April, 2013, 06:42:22 pm
Another "easy" loss, I'm still in the honeymoon period. I still need an attitude realignment though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 08 April, 2013, 08:43:53 pm
I stepped on the scales yesterday for the first time since early January.I did this 'cause I had a suspicion that I'd lost some weight 'cause my trousers have recently needed the help of a belt or braces to avoid buliders bum.
I've lost 2.5kg....without trying.Not too shabby.

Since that ^^^^^ post I've lost another kilogram.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 09 April, 2013, 02:47:18 pm
I have a small request for simonp- could we have consistent markers between the graphs? I'd just like to be able to spot myself more easily by having the same shape & colour.

(This is even more relevant when there're more graphs. Is there a reason the % change ones were done away with?)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 09 April, 2013, 11:55:10 pm
0.41      ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 April, 2013, 01:23:29 am
I have a small request for simonp- could we have consistent markers between the graphs? I'd just like to be able to spot myself more easily by having the same shape & colour.

(This is even more relevant when there're more graphs. Is there a reason the % change ones were done away with?)

The % graphs are still generated, and uploaded, but are not displayed as they were looking very messy so I wasn’t sure they were helpful. I can add them back.

As for the colouring and point style, the intention of the way it is at the moment is that people with adjacent current weights are never the same colour, so it cycles through in order of weight/BMI etc. I take your point that it can be hard to find yourself; I can easily change it so that you are given the same style on each graph.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 April, 2013, 09:18:26 am
Up again. Heaviest I've been all year.

Self-control is non-existent. Cycling next to non-existent. Lurgy still with me. Comfort eating on a high.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 10 April, 2013, 09:34:05 am
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource. Here's the American Psychologists Associations take:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=4

Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.

DrMekon is the expert but the the theories are here:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=6

(Theories are so easy!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 April, 2013, 10:01:35 am
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything.

I did alright for a while through sheer force of will, but - perhaps inevitably - I hit a wall about six months ago and I'm now struggling to stop the weight I lost all going back on, much quicker than I lost it...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 10 April, 2013, 10:15:32 am
I managed to reverse the trend this week, despite eating a lot of bhaji yesterday
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 April, 2013, 11:07:46 am
I managed to reverse the trend this week, despite eating a lot of bhaji yesterday

Would that have been Argie Bhaji, in honour of the fallen?  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 April, 2013, 12:06:08 pm
I am of the belief that willpower helps form better eating habits.
I have not been weighed recently but David's weight loss continues slowly. He has lost 13kg since January 2012.

We are eating much less CAIK, no croissants, much less bread, more fruit, more vegetables, less fried food, fewer puddings, less chocolate, fewer nuts, less butter, less jam & peanut butter etc.

I don't know if you call this willpower or better eating habits.
We are losing weight slowly, successfully anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 10 April, 2013, 08:00:13 pm
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource.

Used all my available willpower some years ago to stop smoking & have recently found another way to lose weight whilst still eating without watching the calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 14 April, 2013, 12:43:29 pm
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource. Here's the American Psychologists Associations take:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=4

Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.

DrMekon is the expert but the the theories are here:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=6

(Theories are so easy!)

That all seems to make sense, particularly the advice to concentrate on one thing at a time. I've always found it easier to get things done by focussing on one task at a time: multiple (sometimes conflicting) priorities lead to me feeling swamped.

So, in order of priority: I gave up smoking; next I started more regular exercise; then (eventually) drinking (except an occasional glass on special occasions/festivals); now it's the dieting.

The only things that seem to mess any of this up are:
a. Staying away from home for any length of time.
b. Lack of access to a bicycle.

Give me a bike and a stable routine and it's pretty easy to summon the willpower.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 17 April, 2013, 07:53:24 am
Long weekend in Rome; pasta, ice cream, pizza, wine...
Only 1lb up on the week.
I'll take that.

Have to work hard for the next month or so before our next big weekend away
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 17 April, 2013, 12:55:00 pm
I made the mistake of standing on the scales before lunch on Sunday.  :-[

suddenly pudding was off the menu, cycling home from work is required and buscuits will no longer be put in the cupboard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 20 April, 2013, 08:47:08 am
The rate-of-loss has decreased.Lost only half a kg in the last 6 days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 24 April, 2013, 07:42:50 am
 :o

That was a surprise! Must have burnt a lot off by not freezing to death on a recent overnight ride.

Also - both Tanita scales and calipers are saying 15% BF  :thumbsup:. More than half way to my (ridiculously over-ambitious) target of 10%.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 24 April, 2013, 07:58:47 am
I need to start weighing myself more regularly again.  Someone commented above that some of us weigh ourselves too much.

Well I suspect it's not coincidence that since I stopped weighing myself every day a lot of my daily incentive has gone and I've put nearly a stone back on.
Not really a coincidence that I've been pigging out far too much either mind ;)  This audaxing seems to have given me the false impression I can eat what I want when I'm cycling 600 miles a month.  Not so. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 24 April, 2013, 08:15:28 am
This audaxing seems to have given me the false impression I can eat what I want when I'm cycling 600 miles a month.  Not so. :facepalm:

Yeeeesss..., quite a few of us have found that. Cycling is a very low-demand form of exercise, unless you hammer it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 April, 2013, 08:31:02 am
I seem for the moment to have stopped the rot. I didn't record my weight last Wednesday I was so pissed off with what was happening (can't remember what it was now but probably over 116kg) but I was down to 115.1kg today. It's no coincidence that I cycled over 140 miles in the past 4 days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 24 April, 2013, 09:02:09 am
This audaxing seems to have given me the false impression I can eat what I want when I'm cycling 600 miles a month.  Not so. :facepalm:

Yeeeesss..., quite a few of us have found that. Cycling is a very low-demand form of exercise, unless you hammer it.

Indeed. Tracking my intake, exercise and weightloss suggested that I needed to knock a 1/3rd off most estimates of energy expenditure.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 24 April, 2013, 09:11:43 am
I need to start weighing myself more regularly again.  Someone commented above that some of us weigh ourselves too much.

Well I suspect it's not coincidence that since I stopped weighing myself every day a lot of my daily incentive has gone and I've put nearly a stone back on.
Not really a coincidence that I've been pigging out far too much either mind ;)  This audaxing seems to have given me the false impression I can eat what I want when I'm cycling 600 miles a month.  Not so. :facepalm:
Long term trends are great, if you're actually losing weight. Infrequent weighings can lead you not knowing if you're doing it right or not.
I weigh myself every day, but only watch the trend.

I'm generally not in favour of daily weighing and measuring and calorie counting, because that makes dieting a life's work, and it shouldn't be. Surely, we should be at a balance of eating and activity that keeps us at a healthy weight, where we eat when we're hungry, and exercise because we want to/need to- incorporating it into our daily lives without excessive thought. I'm not there though, so I'm weighing every day and watching and trying to balance.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 24 April, 2013, 09:29:50 am
Ah I'm a bit of a geeky sciency type though - I used to quite enjoy the patterns I could see.  Gaining weight over the weekend when (aside from cycling) I'd spend time in the pub with the missus and cook nice food with lashings on nice wine, whilst seeing it disappear by Wedndesday as I eat better and drank less during the week.
We're all different with our motivations and what makes it work as you've said yourself.

My main false impression from eating BTW will have come from the six months before I joined this site last year when I dropped four stone in six months without changing a thing in my diet - merely took up gratuitous long distance cycling as a hobby. I should put up my weight losses from 2012 up - it's a much better picture.  Since I've joined this thread I think I've gained wieght! :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 24 April, 2013, 09:30:34 am
Surely, we should be at a balance of eating and activity that keeps us at a healthy weight, where we eat when we're hungry, and exercise because we want to/need to- incorporating it into our daily lives without excessive thought.

That doesn't take into account how lovely Blueberry Muffins and mini Pork Pies taste.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 24 April, 2013, 09:33:01 am
Ah I'm a bit of a geeky sciency type though - I used to quite enjoy the patterns I could see.  Gaining weight over the weekend when (aside from cycling) I'd spend time in the pub with the missus and cook nice food with lashings on nice wine, whilst seeing it disappear by Wedndesday as I eat better and drank less during the week.
We're all different with our motivations and what makes it work as you've said yourself.

My main false impression from eating BTW will have come from the six months before I joined this site last year when I dropped four stone in six months without changing a thing in my diet - merely took up gratuitous long distance cycling as a hobby. I should put up my weight losses from 2012 up - it's a much better picture.  Since I've joined this thread I think I've gained wieght! :facepalm:

Remember that cycling with an extra 4 stone on-board requires a significant increase in energy expenditure.

The fitter you get, and the lighter you get, the easier it gets and the less energy you require.  You may need to up the ante, distance-wise or difficulty-wise, to burn the same calories.

Eating less is still the best way though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: contango on 24 April, 2013, 10:00:23 am

I'd just like to get some consistnt readings from my scales. I can weigh myself and see one reading, then move the scale a couple of feet and weigh myself again only to find I just lost half a stone.

So for all my weight appears to be pretty stable I can be happy that the clothes that used to be tight are now loose. I'd still like to shake off a bit more weight, but maybe that will come in time. Part of the problem, as Paul Metcalfe says, is that cake does taste rather good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 24 April, 2013, 10:08:58 am
You think I'm not going faster, longer and more climby than I was a year ago? ;)

Yes I do know that, I'm 42, this is not the first weight loss regime I've done in my life - it's by far the most fun though.  Previous ones either involved sweating it at the gym on boring cross trainers, bikes and steppers or lane swimming, which was nice except for the having-to-share-the-lane with other swimmers thing.
Anyone who's done lane swimming for exercise will know that driving/cycling through busy rush-hour traffic is a pain free, relaxing experience compared to dealing with the other tossers in the lane during swimming sessions. >:( >:( >:(
(blimey, I didn't know I still had such anger about it  :o).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 24 April, 2013, 11:41:35 am
I eat because I like eating. I don't think I have the biological mechanism that tells me to stop eating when I'm full, or not eat when I'm not hungry.

Fortunately, I also exercise because I like exercising, and not just because I feel the need to, so it's not a chore. The only problem is that it's easier to find the time to fit eating into my day than exercise, so I don't always manage to do enough exercise to balance out the eating. If I had the time to do as much exercise as I'd actually like to do, I'd probably be size zero or smaller.

Caerau, I love swimming but I know exactly what you mean about lane swimming. When I get a wetsuit (very soon, hopefully), I might start swimming in the sea in the mornings instead.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 24 April, 2013, 12:10:40 pm
I taught myself the butterfly stroke in the sea - the extra bouyancy helped  ;D.  There is nothing like doing a couple of strokes of drowning-man butterfly to kick large amounts of water into the face of the idiot who decides they're going to 'overtake you back' - despite the fact that you just spent 10 lengths catching them up from nearly a length back  ::-) >:(

Likes eating <check>
Likes exercising <check>

Yep that's me  ;D

Not sure a size zero is possible mind ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: contango on 25 April, 2013, 12:38:33 am
You think I'm not going faster, longer and more climby than I was a year ago? ;)

Yes I do know that, I'm 42, this is not the first weight loss regime I've done in my life - it's by far the most fun though.  Previous ones either involved sweating it at the gym on boring cross trainers, bikes and steppers or lane swimming, which was nice except for the having-to-share-the-lane with other swimmers thing.
Anyone who's done lane swimming for exercise will know that driving/cycling through busy rush-hour traffic is a pain free, relaxing experience compared to dealing with the other tossers in the lane during swimming sessions. >:( >:( >:(
(blimey, I didn't know I still had such anger about it  :o).

At the gym I used to go to swim (until I realised just how dirty the pool was), they had lanes designated for lane swimming and corded off and the rest of the pool was for general swimming. Except the life guards were too busy getting off with each other and not interested in the idiots who used the general swimming area to put their heads down and front-crawl lengths, or the people who decided the lane swim area was a great place to practise floating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 April, 2013, 09:13:07 am
I can't say I ever had trouble lane swimming.
The 'early morning club' at both Swiss Cottage an Poole seemed purposeful and polite. They were mostly older than me (especially when I started swimming distances in 1972...).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 25 April, 2013, 10:12:00 am
You probably didn't feel the need for speed?

It does depend on the pool as well.  I had many many issues with Birmingham university swimming pool but probably because it was busiest. Harborne pool in Birmingham I used once and gave up instantly as all 3 lanes were used by octagenarians going at glacial pace (which is fine - but not what I wanted to do).  Sophia gardens here in Cardiff was OK actually but had erratic times of opening as they train the Welsh national squad in there (makes one feel quite mortal!) and everything revolves around that.  Maindy pool in Cardiff is the closest thing I've found to a regular lanes session since I moved from Brum to Cardiff and I did encounter fewer problems here, mostly because the fast lane was less competitive than in Brum and so I fitted in there rather better.  I really needed a medium-fast lane in Brum which didn't of course exist.  I tired rather more quickly of the conflict in Cardiff though, plus my other half lost her early morning job leading to (much) less likelihood of me getting up early enough to go.

There are many and varied ways that lanes swimming can be extremely irritating.  It's OK for a while but the same people doing the same things day in day out really grates in the end.

Examples include.

Poor lane selection.
The lanes are usually segregated into slow, medium, fast.  The slow lane is fine.  The medium is generally occupied by those too arrogant to believe they are slow (when they are) or too modest to be in the fast lane (when they should be) - this is the most disastrous lane of all.
The fast lane also suffers from people with delusions of grandeur or those who are too ignorant to read the signs saying which lane is which.

This is compounded by lack of enforcement by the lifeguards.  The only time in 5 years of lane swimming I saw it enforced was when a guy in a turban (so yes, doing slow, head-out-of-the-water glacial breastroke) sauntered off in the fast lane  :facepalm:  This was Birmingham University pool I used to use - the fast lane could often get seriously professional in standard.

Standing about chatting
*In* the pool at the ends where people are trying to turn. 
Hint. Get out of the pool and chat somewhere else, this is not a public leisure session.

Swimming side by side chatting
Oh please, this is a session for exercise, get out of people's way

getting offended by being overtaken
Hint.  It's not a race, some people are faster than others, get over it.  If I spend 10 lengths catching you up from more than a length back, I'm going faster than you.  Don't either try and prevent me overtaking by swimming at an unsustainable speed when I approach (that way we both get knackered and grumpy) or re-overtake when I've completed the manoeuver - I will *still* be going faster than you afterwards and am likely to get grumpy and keep clipping your legs as an unsubtle hint.

Not looking before setting off
Before you set off, check that noone is approaching for a turn who is almost certainly going faster than you.

Swim in the correct direction
The lanes are usually marked for swimming with a clockwise or anticlockwise orientation so swimmers don't have head on collisions.  Please note this *before* heading off.

Do the same thing every time
If you do the same thing as each turn then we can work out ways to avoid clashes.  Simples.

Everyone I know who's done lane swimming (other than you it seems :-)) has expressed annoyance at some of these types of behaviour.

This should probably be in another thread ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 April, 2013, 11:38:43 am
The only pools where I've not encountered problems with lane swimming are the Olympic-size pools at Leeds and Crystal Palace. The one in Leeds was always very busy when I went, but somehow lane discipline seemed to enforce itself - probably because the size of the pool allowed for more variation and more lanes than just slow-medium-fast. Alas, that pool is no more - and I left Leeds before it closed, so I don't know what its replacement is like. Crystal Palace never seemed to be that busy when I went there, which always struck me as odd because it's a fantastic pool. Maybe I should start going there again since it's on my way to work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 25 April, 2013, 04:50:58 pm
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource.

Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.


Not sure what you mean by this, as I'd creating good habits is, in large part, a matter of willpower.  It takes time for actions to become habits; until then, it's hard.

If you mean that it's not enough to think "I wish I could eat less of this crap", then yes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 April, 2013, 04:55:09 pm
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource.

Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.


Not sure what you mean by this, as I'd creating good habits is, in large part, a matter of willpower.  It takes time for actions to become habits; until then, it's hard.

If you mean that it's not enough to think "I wish I could eat less of this crap", then yes.

Didn't I say that?
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg1459222#msg1459222 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg1459222#msg1459222)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 April, 2013, 06:13:19 pm
I think the point is that you can't form good habits using willpower alone. Other factors, eg money and time constraints, come into play - often outside your control - that can make it harder. Or maybe easier, if you're very lucky.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 26 April, 2013, 10:20:52 am
Had a dodgy tummy for a week that must finally have reached a crescendo with this mornings 5am episode where I wanted to call for my mum.

Still, 1.5kg down, so it's all good, right? No. My wife was not pleased at being woken by what apparently sounded like a set of broken bagpipes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 April, 2013, 12:52:37 pm
I think the point is that you can't form good habits using willpower alone. Other factors, eg money and time constraints, come into play - often outside your control - that can make it harder. Or maybe easier, if you're very lucky.

Some good habits are just matters of willpower; rejecting biscuits, spooning less mayonnaise, using less butter etc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 April, 2013, 12:54:02 pm
I think the point is that you can't form good habits using willpower alone. Other factors, eg money and time constraints, come into play - often outside your control - that can make it harder. Or maybe easier, if you're very lucky.

Some good habits are just matters of willpower; rejecting biscuits, spooning less mayonnaise, using less butter etc.
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 April, 2013, 12:58:37 pm
I think the point is that you can't form good habits using willpower alone. Other factors, eg money and time constraints, come into play - often outside your control - that can make it harder. Or maybe easier, if you're very lucky.

Some good habits are just matters of willpower; rejecting biscuits, spooning less mayonnaise, using less butter etc.
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?

Eat a 'low risk' snack, like a carrot or dry cream cracker.
Carrot is sweet and provides chewing satisfaction, cream crackers provide starch but are too boring to eat in huge quantities.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 April, 2013, 12:59:31 pm
Carrot is sweet and provides chewing satisfaction

YMMV ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 26 April, 2013, 01:50:12 pm
You have to peel the outer skin off the carrot and then the centre piece is great!! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 26 April, 2013, 04:42:17 pm
I think the point is that you can't form good habits using willpower alone. Other factors, eg money and time constraints, come into play - often outside your control - that can make it harder. Or maybe easier, if you're very lucky.

Some good habits are just matters of willpower; rejecting biscuits, spooning less mayonnaise, using less butter etc.
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?

Habits aren't just willpower. Willpower can be used to form habits if you have enough willpower and your environment is supportive. You can also make habits with good plans, and plans are more resilient than willpower. You can also change your environment to make it more supportive. Eg

Plan a simple dietary change that is easy to follow and results in lower calorie intake
Don't put temptations in your path (no going down the biscuit aisle)
Avoid stress and get enough sleep

http://dornsife.usc.edu/wendywood/research/documents/rothman.sheeran.wood.pdf

There's loads of stuff in here on stuff beyond willpower. I'm not very conscientious, hence it's a research interest of mine
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 26 April, 2013, 05:00:06 pm
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?

Eat a 'low risk' snack, like a carrot or dry cream cracker.
Carrot is sweet and provides chewing satisfaction, cream crackers provide starch but are too boring to eat in huge quantities.

carrots and other healthy snacks are good, but they don't give the "high" that a, say, shamestick* does

*stick of butter dipped in sugar+cocoa/cinnamon
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 April, 2013, 05:22:10 pm
Avoid stress and get enough sleep

Two areas of life that may not always be entirely under your own control...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 26 April, 2013, 07:35:55 pm
I've lost a kilogram in the last 6 days.
I have now lost a stone in six weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 April, 2013, 09:55:04 pm
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?

Eat a 'low risk' snack, like a carrot or dry cream cracker.
Carrot is sweet and provides chewing satisfaction, cream crackers provide starch but are too boring to eat in huge quantities.

carrots and other healthy snacks are good, but they don't give the "high" that a, say, shamestick* does

*stick of butter dipped in sugar+cocoa/cinnamon

The occasional shamestick/bar of chocolate/Chinese meal/Big Sin doesn't add much weight. I reckon it's not a bad thing to enjoy a 'high' from time to time. It's what your eating every day that matters.

Habits...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 26 April, 2013, 10:36:10 pm

But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?

Accept the temporary setback, don't let it demolish your resolve and try again.  While willpower is not infinite, you can increase your reserves.  It's another kind of habit, I suppose.  I do speak from experience.

It is also necessary to change your relationship to food.  I don't do without chocolate or carbohydrates, but I've learned to find a small portion of them, among more healthy food, rewarding.  And I relearned how to like the healthier food for itself.  I changed the proportion of protein, carbs and vegetables on the plate, stopped having desert with every meal.  I made it easier not to cheat by eating the green veg first and the chips last, so that if I was beginning to feel full, it would be the more calorific things that might be left. If I'm eating out, I usually exercise some restraint (salad or green veg rather than potatoes, new potatoes rather than chips, maybe constructing a meal from two or three starters rather than a starter and a large main course) while also allowing myself a small treat.  And sometimes I do just have an indulgent meal - although my concept of what is indulgent has changed a bit.  Getting back to cooking for myself properly was a *big* part of all of this.

All of that made it easier, but I still had to eat less and endure some discomfort while my body adjusted.  I didn't manage it all at once, but I never let myself take as many steps back as I had taken forwards, so even when I did relapse it wasn't devastating to my morale because I knew that I would recover the ground and go further.

Willpower, discipline and relearning good habits (or learning them for the first time, for some people) really are the boring secret. Most "diets" are harmful because a) they promise some kind of magical shortcut (which doesn't exist) and b) they are short-term, unsustainable regimes which don't teach you how to change for good.  Even the diet plans which aren't harmful are mostly useful because of the structure they provide rather than any genuine logic or science behind them.

The paleo diet is a fad diet, really, but not a harmful one.  If it gives you the confidence boost and structure you need, win.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 30 April, 2013, 05:58:23 pm
I had decided to have four weeks of no cakes or biscuits (due to eating an excess of both recently) to get me out of the cake&biscuit habit right before a trip to Germany by trike (which will, of course, involve lots of cake).

The four weeks started yesterday.

I weighed myself on Sunday morning, the day before it started. 95.6kg (yes, I am a heavy lass).

Sunday evening I came down with a bug - diarrhoea and vomiting. Lost most of Sunday's food and ate just a piece of toast, a banana and some weetabix on Monday.

This morning I weighed myself - 92.2kg. That's pretty effective weight loss!!! One day without cake = 3.4kg.

Sadly I think there might be more to it than that!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 30 April, 2013, 06:09:23 pm
I have checked in a day early.  Tomorrow is May Day, which is a day of some importance to many morris dancers, and I will be just a bit busy in the morning.
A Merry May!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 30 April, 2013, 08:01:44 pm
My afternoon snack craving got too much today, so I caved in. But instead of my usual iced bun, I got some houmous and oatcakes instead.

I did good, right?

Houmous and oatcakes are quite high in fat but not much saturated fat. Much higher levels of protein and fibre too. Houmous is probably a good thing to make at home and bring in to work - so easy to make, cheap, and homemade tastes better too.

In any case, I think I earned it with my fast bike commute this morning and brisk run at lunchtime.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 30 April, 2013, 09:51:30 pm
Hoummus is low GI, so a good energy source, but still highly calorific, meaning that a little goes a long way.  I've taken to using salads as a means of delivering a smallish amount of hoummus.  Works well for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 May, 2013, 09:47:22 am
Saturated fat is fine. Learn to love the lard.


Today I had a review at the gym.

a) Their scales say my weight is lower than my scales at home do. By 2+kg.
b) Apparently I am 'only' 29.6% lard. This was a surprise as I thought I was more than that, given that at 90kg I was 45% lard
c) Apparently I have 52kg of lean muscle mass.
d) 52kg of muscle + 29.6% lard leaves 4.7kg of bones and other stuff. Really?

Hmmm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 01 May, 2013, 09:54:28 am
Brains. Brains and poo.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 May, 2013, 10:07:17 am
Brains. Brains and poo.
Hence my raised eyebrow. I'm full of shit, everyone knows that. Surely it'd be more? Or is this 'lean muscle mass' what you'd be without the fat?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 May, 2013, 10:42:55 am
It's quite possible you've gained muscle mass with all the exercise you've been doing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 May, 2013, 10:57:06 am
I'd expect to gain muscle mass, that's the point of doing weights. But I also expected there to be more that is neither fat nor muscle, it doesn't seem to add up.

Thinking about it though, this is because I had viewed 'lean muscle mass' as something approximating deadweight and a 'standard' killing out percentage for pigs is about 70%. Liveweight therefore=deadweight+ other stuffs (brains bones guts etc) but 'lean muscle mass' includes your bones. Is that right?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 01 May, 2013, 11:07:44 am
A quick google suggests the human skeleton typically accounts for about 15-20% of overall body weight - though some sources say more than that.

The brain and liver weigh about 1.5kg each. The lungs weigh about 1kg total. Skin weighs about 4kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 01 May, 2013, 11:11:54 am
"Lean Body Mass" seems to be the term for everything that isn't fat.

I can't see anywhere that defines "Lean Muscle Mass" as anything other than just the weight of muscle.

You should have ~3kg of blood too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 01 May, 2013, 01:40:25 pm
Saturated fat is fine. Learn to love the lard.


Today I had a review at the gym.

a) Their scales say my weight is lower than my scales at home do. By 2+kg.
b) Apparently I am 'only' 29.6% lard. This was a surprise as I thought I was more than that, given that at 90kg I was 45% lard
c) Apparently I have 52kg of lean muscle mass.
d) 52kg of muscle + 29.6% lard leaves 4.7kg of bones and other stuff. Really?

Hmmm.

Bodyfat measuring scales are not reliable (nor is pretty much any device which attempts to measure by conductivity).  The best you can hope is that they are consistent.  Accurately measuring bodyfat ratio is not at all easy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 May, 2013, 07:30:11 am
Our scales had one of their glitches this morning and knocked a whole kg off yesterday's weight. I think I have lost a bit over the past week so it's a shame it couldn't have had its glitch yesterday. At least it has set me a challenge for next week - try to beat 114.2kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 04 May, 2013, 09:53:42 am
Another half kilogram loss in 7 days brings me down to the weight I was in early December 2011 before my Xmas binge from which I didn't recover.
I've now lost more weight in the last eight weeks than in the previous 15 months.
All this despite having the biggest lunch box in the canteen & eating like it's going out of fashion ;D
Is it wrong to feel  :smug: ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 04 May, 2013, 12:00:14 pm
Blimey's this thread's grown since I was last here. :o  Forgive me if this has already been done to death, but I haven't read the last 100 posts...

Anyway, I'm doing alternate day fasting. 600 calorie limit on the fasting days. I take lots of psyllium husk capsules on the fasting days, otherwise I'd never be able to cope with the hunger pangs. Overall it seems to be a remarkably easy, fast, low cost way to lose weight. I'm hoping to stick with it for the medium term and get down to the weight I was twenty years ago. I've noticed that on my eating days I don't overeat, I think because the fasting days shrink my stomach.  And despite my very wobbly health my GP says it's OK. Psyllium husks are just plant fibre and they've been widely used in the US for years with no ill-effects.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 08 May, 2013, 11:03:28 am
Hmm. I'm pretty much static for the past three weeks, having enjoyed near constant weight loss for the past few months.

Could be because:

1. I skip fasting days 48 hours either side of an audax (did a 200 last week).
2. I'm starting to overcompensate for fasting days on the non-fasting days.
3. I've resumed having late night snacks again (see 2. above), eg. peanuts, toast.

I'm going to try upping the fibre content of my diet so I feel fuller, and concentrate on protein rich foods otherwise. Have ordered psyllium husk capsules to take during fast days to help avoid having the odd 20/30 calorie snack to stave off hunger pangs...

If this all seems extreme, I definitely need to lose more: still have a spare tyre and (slightly smaller) moobs. Lost most of the flab from my arms and back though. Will be starting some gentle weight training this week too to work on the upper body and arms...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 May, 2013, 11:06:13 am
I've lost weight this week having been static for a few. I think it's because I wasn't riding much then suddenly back to 250 mpw.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2013, 11:53:58 am
Lighter people need fewer Calories.
Weight loss won't be helped by late night snacking but overall intake may need to drop if this weight loss plateau persists...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 08 May, 2013, 12:32:18 pm
Hmm. I'm pretty much static for the past three weeks, having enjoyed near constant weight loss for the past few months.

Could be because:

1. I skip fasting days 48 hours either side of an audax (did a 200 last week).
2. I'm starting to overcompensate for fasting days on the non-fasting days.
3. I've resumed having late night snacks again (see 2. above), eg. peanuts, toast.

I'm going to try upping the fibre content of my diet so I feel fuller, and concentrate on protein rich foods otherwise. Have ordered psyllium husk capsules to take during fast days to help avoid having the odd 20/30 calorie snack to stave off hunger pangs...

If this all seems extreme, I definitely need to lose more: still have a spare tyre and (slightly smaller) moobs. Lost most of the flab from my arms and back though. Will be starting some gentle weight training this week too to work on the upper body and arms...

Doesn't seem extreme to me. Have you taken psyllium husks on days when you cycle? What's the thirst like? Do you have to carry extra bottles?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 08 May, 2013, 01:28:05 pm
Lighter people need fewer Calories.
Weight loss won't be helped by late night snacking but overall intake may need to drop if this weight loss plateau persists...

Yeah, I'll see how I get on over the next month or so. Having a fairly sedentary job probably doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 08 May, 2013, 01:31:00 pm

Doesn't seem extreme to me. Have you taken psyllium husks on days when you cycle? What's the thirst like? Do you have to carry extra bottles?

Haven't started taking them at all as yet. The idea is just to do so when I'm on a fast day, to make me seem 'full' whilst restricting calories. I cycle most days, but I don't think I'd take them on an audax day at all: hard enough to keep dehydration at bay during a long ride as it is...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 09 May, 2013, 12:32:14 pm
Do you do precise calorie counting on the fasting days, and are your numbers correct? Last time I tried ADF I plateau'd and had a closer look at my calculations. It turned out that I'd been eating 800 or 900, not 600.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 09 May, 2013, 01:31:04 pm
I'm trying hard on the calorie counting on fast days. Short of buying products with an exact calorific value displayed on the packet, or weighing portions of chicken breast or broccoli it remains guestimating sometimes.

I know for a fact that I sometimes go over 600: the occasional snack of a piece of fruit, a handful of nuts, etc. Normally I'm pretty good at sticking to the 600-700 range though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2013, 02:04:10 pm
Don't weigh broccoli! The calories are low however much you eat.

It's not worth weighing some things like broccoli, cabbage, celery, lettuce, cucumber.
It's debatable whether  it's worthwhile weighing raw tomatoes, carrots or strawberries.
Once you cook or juice foods you can eat much more, so weigh them.

Do weigh meat and starchy veg or get things with discernible individual calorie counted portions.
Things that are calorie dense need strict portion control.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 09 May, 2013, 07:28:59 pm
The things which cause me to miss the 600 cal target are olive oil, bananas, bacon, milky coffee and houmous. I have some quite accurate postal scales so I do a lot of weighing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 09 May, 2013, 08:46:43 pm
On my fast days I tend to start with a bowl of porage: 1 cup of oats, water, salt, maybe a splash of (semi-skimmed) milk. Black coffee, water to start off with (vitamins, etc. to swallow). I forego my usual orange juice, no milk in the coffee.
That's approx. 300-350 calories.

That keeps me going until lunch where, instead of skipping it entirely, I generally have a hard boiled egg.
70-80 calories.

I find this, plus black coffee, black tea, and one or two cups of Bovril (20 calories each) mean I manage to last until dinner time.

Dinner is usually a chicken berate or some grilled fish, with steamed broccoli, cauliflower, or cabbage. Occasionally there'll be something else like strips of carrot in the mix.
That's around 250-300 calories.

So I'm up to 650+ already on a bad day, lower if I manage to keep the portions in check..

I then have the tricky later evening to deal with. Yes okay going to bed early is an option, but not always feasible. So this is where celery sticks, the odd handful of nuts, etc. starts coming in. That's the danger zone for me…

Also sometimes my wife prepares food for me, as she likes to eat healthily. That's very nice, but she tends to fry the chicken or fish in olive oil, then chuck the veg in to stir fry it… Add on a dollop of extra calories!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 May, 2013, 02:54:19 pm
The things which cause me to miss the 600 cal target are olive oil, bananas, bacon, milky coffee and houmous.

Peanut butter is the one that really does the damage for me. I could happily eat peanut butter out of the jar with a spoon all day. I worked out the other day that a regular jar of Whole Earth original crunchy peanut butter (my preferred brand) contains about 3,500 calories. I dread to think how many calories are in the brands with added sugar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 May, 2013, 03:09:47 pm
The things which cause me to miss the 600 cal target are olive oil, bananas, bacon, milky coffee and houmous.

Peanut butter is the one that really does the damage for me. I could happily eat peanut butter out of the jar with a spoon all day. I worked out the other day that a regular jar of Whole Earth original crunchy peanut butter (my preferred brand) contains about 3,500 calories. I dread to think how many calories are in the brands with added sugar.

Fewer actually! Though you might consume more peanut butter because of sugar's seductive sweetness.

Peanut butter is 6 to 6.5 Calories per gram.
Oil/fat of any sort is 9 Calories per gram
Sugar is 'just' 4 Calories per gram

'Do the math'!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 May, 2013, 03:33:10 pm
Sugar is 'just' 4 Calories per gram

Good point!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 10 May, 2013, 03:54:54 pm
I think I have been 'saving' quite a few calories lately by frying meat without any oil. Maybe 'searing' would be more accurate than frying, but the results are fine.  Especially with a splash of hot sauce. Not that I've checked the calories of the sauce yet....it's so yummy I'm in denial about it.

Also I stopped putting my home made dressing on salads - I just sprinkle lemon juice on them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 10 May, 2013, 04:00:53 pm
I think I have been 'saving' quite a few calories lately by frying meat without any oil. Maybe 'searing' would be more accurate than frying, but the results are fine.  Especially with a splash of hot sauce. Not that I've checked the calories of the sauce yet....it's so yummy I'm in denial about it.

Also I stopped putting my home made dressing on salads - I just sprinkle lemon juice on them.

Yeah I'm considering using a griddle pan we have to do a kind of chargrilling on chicken, maybe a splash of teryaki sauce or soy. Fewer calories but still flavoursome.

Oh I am trying the psyllium husk capsules today as I'm on a fast. Will let you know how I get on...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 May, 2013, 04:13:07 pm
I think I have been 'saving' quite a few calories lately by frying meat without any oil. Maybe 'searing' would be more accurate than frying, but the results are fine.  Especially with a splash of hot sauce. Not that I've checked the calories of the sauce yet....it's so yummy I'm in denial about it.

Also I stopped putting my home made dressing on salads - I just sprinkle lemon juice on them.

The hot sauce won't add much as a rule (unless it's pure oil) because you're not using much.
A 25% sugar solution (many salad dressings and tomato ketchup approximate to this) is 1 Calorie per gram.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 10 May, 2013, 04:57:56 pm
My dressing is mostly olive oil, and I was in the habit of using 2 tbsps, or 240 cals.

I've just check the hot sauce, it's about 15 cals per splash.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 10 May, 2013, 05:02:23 pm
I then have the tricky later evening to deal with. Yes okay going to bed early is an option, but not always feasible. So this is where celery sticks, the odd handful of nuts, etc. starts coming in. That's the danger zone for me…

Something which may help is to have two psyllium husk capsules half an hour before supper,  then eat half the supper. Then another two capsules later in the evening, followed by the rest of the supper. Works for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 10 May, 2013, 06:40:35 pm
Another half kg loss over 6 days takes my weight down to below 90kg since...I can't remember when.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 10 May, 2013, 07:41:38 pm
Another half kg loss over 6 days takes my weight down to below 90kg since...I can't remember when.
Well done Jogler 90kg is about what I weigh.It feels a lot better than 95kg doesn't it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 10 May, 2013, 07:54:45 pm
It most certainly does & I'm convinced that my succesfull assault last weekend on my local "fat or fit" test-hill owes a great deal to having less lard to lug.
I'm also convinced that I can feel the difference when riding.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 May, 2013, 12:29:29 pm
Well done, jogler!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 11 May, 2013, 12:40:05 pm
Thanks.
The lard-war will continue & it will be interesting to see if the weight stays off when my current temporary work ends.It is without doubt the work which is generating the lard loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 13 May, 2013, 01:44:07 pm
Found this (from my archive of ACF posts) that should help me get motivated again (I'm back up to 91.7kg).

Weight reports for 2007:-

January__February__March_____April_____May_______June_______
3rd: 89.67th: 89.07th: 87.44th: 86.02nd: away6th: 83.6
10th: 90.014th: 88.614th: 86.411th: 85.29th: 84.913th: 83.0
17th: 90.021st: 88.621st: 85.618th: 84.516th: 83.220th: 83.5
24th: 89.628th: 87.928th: 85.625th: away23rd: 82.829th: 82.6
31st: 89.330th: away
July_____August____September__October__November__December__
4th: 80.81st: 80.15th: 79.03rd: 76.87th: 77.05th: 78.3
11th: 80.78th: 79.112th: 78.810th: 77.014th: 77.012th: 78.3
18th: 80.515th: 80.019th: 77.917th: 76.721st: 78.019th: 78.3
25th: 79.822nd: 78.526th: 77.324th: 77.028th: 77.326th: 79.0
29th: 78.631st: 77.0
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 May, 2013, 07:51:42 am
A very significant loss this week - and not just a scales glitch, as I was 113.8 yesterday, 114.1 this morning, almost 2kg down from last week's figure.

I'm quite surprised as I ate a vast amount when we were in the Netherlands, what with breakfast on the ferry on Thursday morning, the wedding on Friday, two restaurant meals on each of Saterday and Sunday as well as stops for cake and coffee.

What seems to have made the difference is ridind a fully-laden tandem for 170 miles over the same period. Quite good, this cycling lark, isn't it? I think I ought to do it more often.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 15 May, 2013, 07:53:03 am
First gain over the last two weeks.

I was eating carbs all last week, and plenty of wedding cake pushed the weight back up again. 10 weeks to go to LEL though, so back on the low carb diet again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 May, 2013, 08:42:41 am
After weeks of not being weighed, I was weighed last night. I have gained.
I am back to my New Year weight.
This is Not Good.
I am eating too much.
Again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 15 May, 2013, 11:04:49 am
What seems to have made the difference is ridind a fully-laden tandem for 170 miles over the same period.
I do that most weeks. Not the fully laden bit, but you'll forgive my vanity if I claim perhaps a little faster.
It makes no fecking difference to mine.


Up this week, maybe. I have no real idea as my scales appear not to work in the bathroom of my new house. I get different readings all over the floor. I'm getting stronger though, so I have no plans to adjust my diet. I do plan to find a room that will give me a consistent and repeatable reading though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 May, 2013, 11:24:12 am
Our scale readings remain very inconsistent. I can weigh myself twice in 10 seconds and get readings as much as 2kg apart. I am keeping a monthly average which assumes that the glitches will cancel themselves out.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 15 May, 2013, 12:10:19 pm
Our scale readings remain very inconsistent. I can weigh myself twice in 10 seconds and get readings as much as 2kg apart. I am keeping a monthly average which assumes that the glitches will cancel themselves out.

Or get new scales if they're that erratic.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 May, 2013, 12:12:57 pm
I'm not getting new scales; I'm rather fond of the ones I bought in 1982.
I was 68kg then...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 15 May, 2013, 12:21:31 pm
Found this (from my archive of ACF posts) that should help me get motivated again (I'm back up to 91.7kg).

I was 92 kg when I first joined in with these threads 2 or 3 years ago, got the MFP app, and started looking at where all the calories were. I really only had to go through one cycle to get my weight under 85 kg and I've been fluctuating between 82 and 86 kg since (currently 82.3 kg) without really doing anything other than keeping a general eye on quantities and avoiding food with a lot of hidden calories. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 May, 2013, 01:09:39 pm
71.7kg yesterday. Basically: when I ride my bike a lot, my weight trends downwards slowly; when I don't, it trends upwards slowly. If I CBA I'd watch the calorie intake and I could get down to under 70kg for LEL, but currently, I can't.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 21 May, 2013, 01:53:30 pm
Thanks.
The lard-war will continue & it will be interesting to see if the weight stays off when my current temporary work ends.It is without doubt the work which is generating the lard loss.

The work ended a week ago.In that time I have shed another kilogram.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 22 May, 2013, 08:54:43 am
Back down to my pre-wedding weight again. Very happy about that. I'm feeling so much fitter on the bike, and my clothes are falling off me.

I'm so happy to finally be losing weight.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 22 May, 2013, 09:09:45 am
I seem to have stopped my rot.  A 300 k perm and LEAVING MY WALLET AT HOME SO I CAN'T GO TO THE SHOP AT LUNCHTIME!!! seem to have done the trick for the moment.  My year end goal seems an awful long way off now though.  I should have lost a stone by now this year, not gained one.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 May, 2013, 10:37:06 am
I seem to have shed a little more in the past week. With a bit more effort (which has been sadly lacking this year) I should be down to my lowest weight of the year by next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 May, 2013, 01:28:01 pm
On a downward trend again - yay! Back to roughly where I was two months ago, and about 2kg down on where I was this time last month.

Probably helps that I'm in serious training mode at the moment. I mean actual training rather than just "doing some exercise". It's... intense.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 May, 2013, 04:51:56 pm
No weight to declare today.
GN: I can now wear M&S size 14 trousers. I wore size 14 from M&S when I was 18.
BN: In 1976 a size 14 fitted a 26" waist and 38" hip.
In 2013 size 14 fits a 31" waist and 41" hip.
Vanity sizing FFS! That must represent 6kg fat!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 22 May, 2013, 07:20:52 pm
Been a naughty boy, haven't checked in for a month... ooops!

Mine's back to moving in the right direction again. I'm cycling a lot at weekends (and in the week, when I can) which is obviously helping. as well as making me feel stronger on the bike and enjoy it more which helps me motivate myself in avoiding the cakes'n'pizzas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: IanN on 22 May, 2013, 09:09:35 pm
Just found this thread. Been having issues with the waistband of my trousers. (when the button pinged off - that was a turning point)

On the basis of the review in the latest Arrivee, I bought the 'racing weight' book.
Not quite doing it all, but sticking to the 'diet quality score' bit. This states the obvious really - veg good. pies bad. No calorie counting.

I've lost over 4lb in two weeks. And that included a night of beer and thai curry. Best not take it too seriously...

Looking at it another way - up to two weeks ago, I ate 1000+ calories a day in cheese, cakes and biscuits

bad toad.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 May, 2013, 10:18:29 am
I seem to be back down to 65kg. Don't know if this represents progress or stalemate.
Time and tape measure will tell.
Eventually.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 24 May, 2013, 12:53:28 pm
I seem to be back down to 65kg. Don't know if this represents progress or stalemate.
Time and tape measure will tell.
Eventually.

Come on Helly - you know that if you think it's stalemate, then it will be, whereas if you don't, then it won't !!

:)   :)    :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 May, 2013, 01:21:58 pm
I seem to be back down to 65kg. Don't know if this represents progress or stalemate.
Time and tape measure will tell.
Eventually.

Come on Helly - you know that if you think it's stalemate, then it will be, whereas if you don't, then it won't !!

:)   :)    :)

I am still very sensible with what I eat. I think I'm getting thinner, slowly.
Objective evidence is rather lacking at present but I will persist!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 24 May, 2013, 04:25:18 pm
Going to a lot of weddings these days, banquets really don't help the waistllne
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 May, 2013, 04:42:55 pm
My brother's rule for these functions is 'Skip the main course.'

Rather wise, methinks! Starters and desserts are fun; the main course is often dull, unnecessary energy.

My nephew's wedding is just a month away and there were these whole weekend Bar Mitzvah eatathons in February and March.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 May, 2013, 09:56:50 am
An unprecedented eventuality this morning.

Our scales are pretty inaccurate in that you can weigh yourself twice in quick succession and they give weights that might vary by as much as two kg. My modus operandi is to weigh myself 10 times and take the lowest reading (sad, but true). If I record 113.2, you can normally be pretty sure that I have also weighed 115.5 in the same minute.

This morning, however, all 10 weighings were the same, at 114.4kg. I think the scales must be broken...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 27 May, 2013, 10:40:30 am
An unprecedented eventuality this morning.

Our scales are pretty inaccurate in that you can weigh yourself twice in quick succession and they give weights that might vary by as much as two kg. My modus operandi is to weigh myself 10 times and take the lowest reading (sad, but true). If I record 113.2, you can normally be pretty sure that I have also weighed 115.5 in the same minute.

This morning, however, all 10 weighings were the same, at 114.4kg. I think the scales must be broken...

Probably RSI ?? :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 27 May, 2013, 11:10:56 am
Two weeks of idleness has allowed an increase of half a kg to manifest itself.Fewer calories & more exercise needed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 May, 2013, 12:36:09 pm
An unprecedented eventuality this morning.

Our scales are pretty inaccurate in that you can weigh yourself twice in quick succession and they give weights that might vary by as much as two kg. My modus operandi is to weigh myself 10 times and take the lowest reading (sad, but true). If I record 113.2, you can normally be pretty sure that I have also weighed 115.5 in the same minute.

This morning, however, all 10 weighings were the same, at 114.4kg. I think the scales must be broken...

Probably RSI ?? :)
Well, yes. It is a sobering thought that if I weigh myself 8 times the poor scales have had to put up with a ton of me standing on them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 28 May, 2013, 08:48:42 am
Sunday 6pm: 91.6kg
Monday 6pm: 87.9kg

No prizes for guessing what caused that...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 May, 2013, 09:14:06 am
You had an arm removed?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 28 May, 2013, 09:16:20 am
Lost your wallet?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 May, 2013, 12:45:30 pm
He was awarded the OBE.
(Open Both Ends)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 29 May, 2013, 07:38:05 am
Horrible week. Fell off the keto wagon a bit. Not good, got lazy with the diet after our honeymoon. I've got some big rides coming up, so I need to other advantages.

Time to be a bit stricter again for a while.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 29 May, 2013, 08:13:25 am
Horrible week. Fell off the keto wagon a bit. Not good, got lazy with the diet after our honeymoon. I've got some big rides coming up, so I need to other advantages.

Time to be a bit stricter again for a while.
I had nothing on Saturday's 300k, power wise, so dove into carbs in the hope I'd get a boost. I did not, despite a whole bag of jelly babies and 3 slices of fruit cake. I was still 'empty'. I didn't even enjoy the jelly babies.
Turned out I was coming down with a cold- rivers of snot on Sunday. Worst thing about it was that they just made me hungry. Rubbish. No1Daughter made a delicious blueberry cake that did indeed taste, well, delicious, but the cost is so high!

Back to righteousness this week. You know it makes sense hulver. Love the lard.

I'm finding it a bit of a struggle, really, in that I'm a bit bored with it. Doubtless this is my lack of imagination, as it's not very restrictive as a diet. Or possibly I'm bored generally, and not all that hungry, so haven't the same enthusiasm for food. Which should be a good thing, but isn't.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 29 May, 2013, 09:10:00 am
I'm finding it a bit of a struggle, really, in that I'm a bit bored with it. Doubtless this is my lack of imagination, as it's not very restrictive as a diet. Or possibly I'm bored generally, and not all that hungry, so haven't the same enthusiasm for food. Which should be a good thing, but isn't.

I'm fairly bored of it as well. My love of food has gone, it's now either stuff to be avoided or tolerated. I've also been thinking that I lack the imagination to make a variety of interesting and tasty low carb food.

I bought a low carb cook book, but reading it nothing jumped out at me and said "Mmmm, that sounds nice", it was all "Oh well, it would be better than a slice of ham and a chunk of cheese I suppose".

Once LEL is over, I'm going to be less strict. Introducing the occasional pasta dish, and nice bread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 29 May, 2013, 10:35:50 am
I had a spell of mental strength and almost got into some (comparatively) good habits like avoiding cake at work and resisting the lure of the takeaway pizzas.

Then somehow I fell off the wagon and into old ways, which sadly are far too familiar and comfortable. The next few days are going to need to be strict then hopefully it'll settle back down to slow progress again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 May, 2013, 11:12:38 am
Hmm.

Starts again here.

Combinations of physical illness, stress, depression, lost mojo, baby issues and steroid have sent things a long way in the wrong direction.

*sigh*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 29 May, 2013, 11:33:43 am
Hmm.

Starts again here.

Combinations of physical illness, stress, depression, lost mojo, baby issues and steroid have sent things a long way in the wrong direction.

*sigh*
Weightloss sites/resources always say things like "it took you years to put on the weight, it'll take you years to lose it". Which might be partly true, but I see you, like me, put on a kilo a week without trying. Losing a kilo a week takes a feck of a lot more than skipping the afternoon doughnut.

One of those jogging pushchairs?  :-\ Good luck
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 May, 2013, 11:42:43 am
Thanks.

I think I need to push some pedals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 29 May, 2013, 12:34:48 pm
I don't. I think cycling is completely rubbish for weight management.
You can eat while you're riding, and that time outdoors just builds appetite. Unless you're going to do 100k+ every day, or hammer every ride, I think it makes depressingly little difference, unless your base activity is Zero. And despite your lack-of-mojo, you're certainly not a couch potato.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Aikon on 29 May, 2013, 12:51:36 pm
Just booked in for a body composition analysis in 2.5 weeks time, 15 years since the last one and I'm hoping the impending deadline will help motivate me to shift these last 4 pounds.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 May, 2013, 01:58:54 pm
No weight to report today but the new, smaller trousers I bought last week seem even baggier round the tummy now.  :)
(Everything is always snug on the hips and big on the waist for me.)
My ankles have swelled up quite a bit so I'm probably storing water there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 29 May, 2013, 06:04:37 pm
Did my first 200km Audax on Saturday this year.Put on 3kg according to my scales ::-)WTF have had a few beers since though and been feeling tired and hungry.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 May, 2013, 08:20:30 pm
Injured muscles swell and gain water.
Don't weigh yourself (or at least beat yourself up about your weight) for a fortnight.
This is a temporary blip!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 29 May, 2013, 08:25:50 pm
Cool to weigh yourself *immediately* after a long ride though ;)

(Just don't expect it to last  ;D)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 29 May, 2013, 09:01:44 pm
Injured muscles swell and gain water.
Don't weigh yourself (or at least beat yourself up about your weight) for a fortnight.
This is a temporary blip!
Thankyou.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 May, 2013, 09:13:24 pm
Injured muscles swell and gain water.
Don't weigh yourself (or at least beat yourself up about your weight) for a fortnight.
This is a temporary blip!

A fortnight? Lordy! We're doing at least 300km every weekend at the moment!!   ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 May, 2013, 10:33:29 pm
Injured muscles swell and gain water.
Don't weigh yourself (or at least beat yourself up about your weight) for a fortnight.
This is a temporary blip!

A fortnight? Lordy! We're doing at least 300km every weekend at the moment!!   ;D

There's a HUGE physiological difference between 'the first 200 this year' and a brevet per weekend.

nightrider's body has not yet adapted...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 May, 2013, 09:32:23 am
I seem to have lost almost 3kg this month. I wish I could do that every month until the end of the year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 30 May, 2013, 10:12:19 am
Weightloss/gain makes no damn sense.

I stopped eating dairy (just for cholesterol-level reasons). Lost 800gm a week for several weeks, dropping from a high of 83kg to 75kg. No change to diet during that period but the weight loss seems to have ceased (which is a good thing, some of my clothes are hanging off me).

I hypothesize that my body has shifted to making more efficient use of the food I'm eating. If that's the case, then no wonder  diets keep 'failing' for people.  Initial weightloss, then they stop losing weight. From living with a serial dieter, the next stage is upset at not losing any more weight, followed by comfort eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 30 May, 2013, 11:18:24 am
I seem to have lost almost 3kg this month. I wish I could do that every month until the end of the year.
I've lost 7kg this month! 8) ;)

I'm not expecting it to happen again ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 05 June, 2013, 06:45:11 am
84.7. Are you ducking kidding me?

Cycling seems to directly correlate with weight gain. More I do, the more I get. Ducking a
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 05 June, 2013, 08:36:03 am
Cycling seems to directly correlate with weight gain.

hmmm,you might be right. :-\
Despite a week of high grade lard arse lounging about doin'nowt I've lost 1kg :o with only 10km of  cycling involved.
I have however been eating less of late.Particularly bread & chocolate 'cause an outofwork metabalism needs less of such things.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 June, 2013, 10:25:43 am
The good news is that I'm the joint-lightest I've been this year. The bad news is I've shrunk.

I don't mean my waistline, I mean my height.

I had to take my measurements this morning, see, and it turns out I've been deluding myself that I'm "a shade under" 5ft 10. In fact, I'm several shades under. More like 5ft 8 (172cm) if my measurement this morning was accurate.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 05 June, 2013, 10:54:57 am
OK.  One week in, I've lost some weight.  That's a good start, though I am primed for it not to continue quite so well.

I think my target for the year should be to get back to the weight I came in with :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 June, 2013, 11:06:03 am
The good news is that I'm the joint-lightest I've been this year. The bad news is I've shrunk.

I don't mean my waistline, I mean my height.

I had to take my measurements this morning, see, and it turns out I've been deluding myself that I'm "a shade under" 5ft 10. In fact, I'm several shades under. More like 5ft 8 (172cm) if my measurement this morning was accurate.  :(

If you are serious about this, and your previous height is not just wishful thinking, get a chest x-ray. I had one which showed that I have osteoporosis and that my vertebrae have shrunk so I have, apparently, lost some height. The normal test for osteoporosis is a dexa scan of the hips and thighs. I had one of those and it came out normal.

It was my GP who first diagnosed shrunk vertebrae. After the dexa scan I asked my rheumatology consultant if I could stop taking the anti-osteoporosis drugs. He looked at my chest xray and confirmed that my vertebrae had shrunk so I had to keep taking the bloody tablets.

You're a bit young for this to start (which side of 40 are you?) but it's worth checking.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 June, 2013, 11:39:10 am
You're a bit young for this to start (which side of 40 are you?) but it's worth checking.

I think it probably is just wishful thinking - gradually rounding it up over the years - but it is slightly alarming, so I will think about getting it checked out. I slipped over to the wrong side of 40 six months ago, so it's probably downhill all the way from now on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 June, 2013, 11:47:54 am
No "probably" about it!  ;D

For me, it started with eye tests. I didn't know anyone who had better eyesight than I did up to about the age of 42. Then I started to struggle to read the print of the telephone directory. That led to reading glasses and that, of course, led to the eye muscles not working as hard as they had, stronger prescriptions and now quite strong varifocals. Now I reckon that, without glasses, I would fail the eyesight test associated with the driving test.

The lard, which crept up on me, always had a tendency to be there. Not Cycling, which was what I did from about 30 to about 50, didn't help. Then in the early 50s came arthritis, then osteoporosis, general decrepitude...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 05 June, 2013, 12:00:21 pm
You're a bit young for this to start (which side of 40 are you?) but it's worth checking.

I think it probably is just wishful thinking - gradually rounding it up over the years - but it is slightly alarming, so I will think about getting it checked out. I slipped over to the wrong side of 40 six months ago, so it's probably downhill all the way from now on.
Definitely.

If you haven't looked after your back before now, well . . . .

For me what I really noticed is that I didn't heal as fast. Used to recover from bumps, cuts or falls with incredible rapidity. Cuts healed overnight. Bruises disappeared in minutes. I could run because although it made my hip hurt, that healed by the next morning.
Now I'm just generally stuffed. Can't even run for the bus.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 June, 2013, 01:08:07 pm
I am pleased to report both my weight and waist are less.
I seem to be making a pig's ear of the table though.
Maybe boab is right. Zero cycling in 10 years and I've lost 10kg in two years.
David has lost 12kg but he does cycle...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 June, 2013, 02:23:58 pm
For me, it started with eye tests. I didn't know anyone who had better eyesight than I did up to about the age of 42.

My eyesight has always been excellent but my arms must be shrinking because I can no longer hold my book far enough away from my face to focus on it easily. (I think they call it presbyopia.)

To get back on topic, weight is perhaps the least of my problems for the short to medium term.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 05 June, 2013, 06:40:27 pm
Two extra pounds.  Mind I have been on holiday for a week and not managing even a cycle commute the week before so I'm not too disheartened.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GothonaBrompton on 07 June, 2013, 08:57:35 am
I've found I have put on weight since taking up cycling about 5 years ago.  I watch what I eat, within reason, but do wonder about the whole low fat thing and if sugar is more of the culprit.  Sometimes I try to eat a low fat lunch and count the calories, and end up heavier.

I wouldn't mind the Hoy thighs if the weight would bugger off elsewhere.  I am a classic apple shape and short, but if you look at all the female members of my family we are all variations on the same shape.  Apparently my mum started putting on weight around her mid 40s as well, before a relatively early menopause at 46.  I need to fight back as I don't want to automatically gain weight as I get older.

What is annoying is my husband, who I met when he was 40 (now 64), was heavier back then, and now he is built like a stick insect, albeit with an accompanying loss of muscle tone as well. He can eat two portions of everything and never puts on weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 07 June, 2013, 11:48:59 am
You're a bit young for this to start (which side of 40 are you?) but it's worth checking.

I think it probably is just wishful thinking - gradually rounding it up over the years - but it is slightly alarming, so I will think about getting it checked out. I slipped over to the wrong side of 40 six months ago, so it's probably downhill all the way from now on.

I'm pretty sure that mine is loss of disc thickness rather than anything else, I've also lost about 2" over the years as well (relative height difference to Mrs Ham has reduced and is proof positive that it isn't just rounding) . I think that translates into potential for nerves to become trapped with consequent non-mechanical aches and pains.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 07 June, 2013, 11:57:04 am
I've been trying a new technique recently. I can't do any of the low-carb stuff which I think would probably work for me. Or, well, at least I can't do the ketosis thing anyway. Plus I love my cereal type stuff too much.

Lots of people have been nagging me for ages I don't eat anywhere near enough, but I've always justified it with the fact I just get heavier. But I've tried something else. That myfitnesspal app- I've put all my exercise n stuff in (not using the RIDICULOUS figures that MFP use for cycling/running/gym, but more realistic ones), set it up for a 500 cal a day deficit, and eating back the exercise calories, or at least most of them. This means that I am eating a lot more. It scared the hell out of me at first, but I said I would give it a couple of months to see what happened.

So it gives me 1200 calories a day as a base, and then I eat back my exercise calories on top (I'm quite conservative I think with what I'm putting in I burn off but I'd prefer it that way round to the other way). I'm eating a large bowl of porridge for breakfast (with added protein powder, cinnamon, banana, berries and a few seeds)- prob 500 calories worth (I do a lot of exercise in the mornings on empty so am starving) and then try and keep carbs back for the rest of the day. I'm eating fruit and veg, and not being really strict, but I mean just not eating anything like pasta, rice, bread, you know, the usual stodgy stuff. If my family is having something like spag bol, I'll have the bol but with veg not pasta on the side. My evening meals are relatively small, but I'm eating a lot through the day.

So far, it seems I'm generally about 5lbs down. (it's not easy to tell as I'm always lower during weeks where I'm ill)

It's been very hard as I get sick of so many people saying 'are you eating again, ooooo are you eating again, ooo that's a lot of porridge' and it REALLY pisses me off. Having taken years to get over an ED, I still fcuking hate people going on about it. I exercise for hours a day FFS, and I think the reason I got in this position was because I became so paranoid about people commenting on how I was eating all the time. So ate less and less. Erm, yep. I burn loads off EVERY DAY. I'm HUNGRY.

Anyway, the result of this far too long ramble is that from eating more, I seem to have lost some weight (still a long way to go!) and I feel literally 10 million times better, both physically and mentally. And it's all co-incided with a) eating more and b) having stopped the longer rides all the time. The cortisol levels in my body are also much lower (stress hormone) and cortisol mainly makes you cling to fat so I guess it's all adding up. I'm still doing loads of exercise, but not killing myself by trying to ride all night whilst not being healthy enough, and it seems my body is happier for it (no sh!t!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 June, 2013, 12:15:43 pm
 :thumbsup: Sounds good.

You're not the only one I've heard talking about cortisol. Out of interest, how do you know your cortisol level is lower? Is it a feeling? Do you measure it? How would I know if mine was high?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 07 June, 2013, 12:16:22 pm
Sounds like good news, Lady C.

Shame about the unhelpful contributions from your colleagues. I recognise the problem - I occasionally get similarly ignorant comments from colleagues about how much and what I eat. Water off a duck's back to me but I guess it's not so easy to ignore if you have a more complicated relationship with food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 07 June, 2013, 12:27:27 pm
Chris, me and the NHS are obviously best buddies right now, and as I'm having loads of blood tests constantly, I asked them to check it at the same time whilst they were checking everything else under the sun!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 June, 2013, 12:31:03 pm
Chris, me and the NHS are obviously best buddies right now, and as I'm having loads of blood tests constantly, I asked them to check it at the same time whilst they were checking everything else under the sun!

Ah yes, fair enough.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 June, 2013, 01:35:01 pm
There's a case in this week's BMJ (sorry, paywall) about a chap who got beri-beri (thiamine deficiency) from giving up all carbs.
Seems he was not the full shilling (diplomatically stated in medicalese in the report).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 07 June, 2013, 01:38:48 pm
What on earth was he eating? Surely thiamine is barely found in the carbs we eschew?

Or was it just that, without toast, marmite was absent?

http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/thiamin-b1-foods.php
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 June, 2013, 01:51:43 pm
The report states his parents described his diet as 'starvation' and he took no supplements of any sort.
He was losing about 10kg per MONTH!
(In comparison I have lost 10kg in 18 months and I'm happy with that.)
There's added thiamine in my cornflakes. (Breakfast this morning: cornflakes topped with fresh strawberries & cherries + milk, 1 glass orange juice, coffee)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 07 June, 2013, 02:13:35 pm
Lady Cav, one thing what I think you may be learning, which is what I had to do is ignore what everyone else is saying regarding your diet. When I lost 4 stone in 6 months a few years ago, I had all and sundry (friends and relatives) questioning my eating. Yes I was eating less, but the problem I had before was that I was eating too much, hence the fact I was pushing 30 on the BMI scale and couldn't run half a mile.

Funny how no-one questions your eating habits when you are actually overweight isn't it?

Deep down only you know what is working for you and whether you are eating too much/too little/just enough. Relationships with food are funny things and i'm not sure I still have the balance right. I still get odd looks at work when I eat a cereal bar, yoghurt and copious amounts of fruit for lunch instead of a big fat sandwich or whatever, but I don't care. I can cycle 200km in a day, weigh just a smidge over 10 stone and I feel healthy!

I think I saw you at the gospel pass 200km ride (if you were riding a Scott) and you looked fine to me, so crack on with whatever you are doing. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 07 June, 2013, 02:19:16 pm
That was indeed me :) I'm not overweight, just overweight for running. And that is a totally valid reason for wanting to be lighter. I'm a healthy weight, but not an efficient one for what I want to do!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on 07 June, 2013, 03:24:19 pm
It's been very hard as I get sick of so many people saying 'are you eating again, ooooo are you eating again, ooo that's a lot of porridge' and it REALLY pisses me off.

Hahaha!

I reckon there's a lot of truth that eating more helps keep the weight down. I'm always at my lightest when I eat a lot. Big breakfast, then topping up the rest of the day is thought by some to be the way to go. Good sleep is also thought to be helpfull too.
I used to get stick for eating a lot from people at work. They really don't have a clue, so I just ignored them. But when I really started eating a lot when I was avergaing 100 miles a day and usualy sleeping rough on the weekends while working full time, I often made people feel sick just watching the sheer volume of food I could put away. ;D

Glad you've found something that works and even more glad you're feeling better for it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 07 June, 2013, 07:06:15 pm
Funny how no-one questions your eating habits when you are actually overweight isn't it?

Erm... in my experience, they do.  Quite a lot.

But I suspect the nosey-parker-moralising is just as irritating in either situation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 June, 2013, 07:49:42 pm
I mostly do the dieting thing in the privacy and comfort of my own home and go for a pretty 'normal' meal in company.  If there's an online menu with calories for a chosen eatery, I'll choose my meal in advance.
I'll probably take my brother's 'skip the main course' advice for my nephew's forthcoming wedding banquet.
I suppose most of my meals are at home and David's also slimming, which helps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 June, 2013, 08:17:09 pm
I have neatened up my pig's ear table.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 08 June, 2013, 11:57:57 am
Funny how no-one questions your eating habits when you are actually overweight isn't it?

Erm... in my experience, they do.  Quite a lot.

But I suspect the nosey-parker-moralising is just as irritating in either situation.

My experience too, when you are eating healthily or unhealthily.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 June, 2013, 12:00:49 pm
I am forever getting family members commenting on my eating habits. This can take two forms. Either, there's some left after a delicious family meal and everyone's full but "Give it to Peter - he'll eat it!" Or, others admonish me for coming back for seconds when the cook has produced something superb. I don't think anyone else in the family gets this sort of comment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 June, 2013, 01:53:31 pm
Not doing the dieting thing in public means discussing more interesting matters when eating out.
I have a healthy appetite and do not appear to be excessively light or heavy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 09 June, 2013, 08:41:14 am
I really need to get back on to this.   The table is a bit cockeye, but I have all the weights so will update it all in the next day or two.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 11 June, 2013, 05:33:31 pm
So there was I this morning: weight checked, spreadsheet completed, go to YACF to update table, why is the date wrong?
It's Tuesday not Wednesday... :facepalm:
And I was feeling quite good about losing a couple of pounds as well.
Just better not eat too much tonight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 12 June, 2013, 07:55:17 am
...and I'm the same weight this morning, phew!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 12 June, 2013, 08:05:55 am
Up again. 240km at the weekend might have something to do with that, as might a slip from the low carb wagon at the same time. I've been bouncing backwards and forwards for over a month now. I need to buckle down and get serious again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 12 June, 2013, 08:21:19 am
I've gained half a kg in the last 7 days
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 June, 2013, 12:42:15 pm
I have not been weighed.
I am wearing M&S size 12 trousers for the first time EVAH.
That will do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 June, 2013, 07:19:33 am
I've gained half a kg in the last 7 days
Last 7 days: cycled 500+km with 5000+m climbing, gained more than 2kg.

Fuck off.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 19 June, 2013, 07:59:54 am
I've gained half a kg in the last 7 days
Last 7 days: cycled 500+km with 5000+m climbing, gained more than 2kg.

Me too. We know why it is. Cast your mind back to the drive home and what we ate  :facepalm:.

I know. We were tired and hungry.

My story: carb creep, eating too much, probably too much booze. I need to turn the austerity screw a bit harder again. More than 80Kg is unacceptable, Mr Smith  >:(.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 19 June, 2013, 08:03:26 am
I've not been very good at staying off the carbs lately either. I'm eating just enough carbs not to get the keto benefit when riding, which means I have to eat more carbs when I'm out to give me enough energy.

Time to be a lot stricter for the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 June, 2013, 08:31:56 am
Me too. We know why it is. Cast your mind back to the drive home and what we ate  :facepalm:.

I know. We were tired and hungry.
Well maybe. But compare that to what I ate on the ride itself: hardly anything. You kept telling me to eat more!

One day of monster carbs (and I didn't eat anything once I was home) should not equate to a 2kg weight gain. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 19 June, 2013, 08:39:09 am
One day of monster carbs (and I didn't eat anything once I was home) should not equate to a 2kg weight gain.

Why not? If those carbs were stored away as glycogen (we'll have been empty - all that friken' climbing!) that's a lot of water retension.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 19 June, 2013, 08:47:06 am
I've been playing a game of 'leave the wallet at home' when I've come to work this week so i eat my packed lunch and nothing more.
Consequently I've dropped a kilo since the last few weeks  :thumbsup:  The 400 km ride is still presumably to have an effect also although my muscles seem rather stunningly well recovered already (not complaining!)
The wallet seems to have appeared in my bag today though - mmm, will power...mmmm
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 19 June, 2013, 09:44:43 am
gained almost 4kg since ditchling devil two weeks ago, hmm. checked the body fat - 17.8% (if this is any close to the truth). i don't mind piling on couple of kg's more - i'll need to maximise energy reserves before 10-day race in august.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 19 June, 2013, 11:26:09 am
(http://kpmishra.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/wpid-Screenshot_2013-05-28-12-25-45.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 June, 2013, 11:32:05 am
Eating left-overs from the National 400 this week. I made bangers and mash last night with the left-over potatoes. Both the mash and the gravy I made were very rich. 72.3kg this morning; basically flat for 6 months now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 19 June, 2013, 11:56:44 am
Eating left-overs from the National 400 this week.

A stark warning to anyone who doesn't finish inside the cut-off time.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 19 June, 2013, 12:31:58 pm
A pound up this week.  That's what a weekend morris dancing does for you.  Too much BEER and CAEK and nothing like enough dancing to make up for it...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 June, 2013, 12:32:02 pm
Me too. We know why it is. Cast your mind back to the drive home and what we ate  :facepalm:.

I know. We were tired and hungry.
Well maybe. But compare that to what I ate on the ride itself: hardly anything. You kept telling me to eat more!

One day of monster carbs (and I didn't eat anything once I was home) should not equate to a 2kg weight gain.

I'm afraid it does!
A ketonaut probably has a negligible glycogen store.

Each gram of glycogen is tied to 3-4 grams of water and an adult typically has glycogen stores of around 400g. 400 + 4 Times 400 = 2,000...

Add in post-exercise swollen muscles and you get even larger fluid shifts.
The good news is most of this weight gain is NOT fat!

Do not despair!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 23 June, 2013, 08:57:37 am
So, I weigh myself every day, put the numbers in an excel spreadsheet and calculate a two-week rolling average. Does this give me any more useful results than if I just weighed myself once a week? Well, here's a graph of my weight records this year. The solid blue line is the weekly measurement, the dotted line the two-week average (horizontal lines are 1kg intervals). Draw your own conclusions...

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/smutchin/Screenshot2013-06-23at092634_zpse647bdff.png)

One thing I think the graph demonstrates for those who weigh themselves weekly is that you can't read much, if anything, into a fluctuation between two weekly measurements of up to ±1kg - it's only the longer-term trends that give you meaningful data.

To reinforce the point, here's what the graph looks like with the average calculated over six weeks instead of two:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/smutchin/Screenshot2013-06-23at092349_zps4d238fb6.png)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 24 June, 2013, 12:22:18 pm
Yes, good graphs to show how misleading it is to compare two consecutive weeks' readings.

it's only the longer-term trends that give you meaningful data.

Dropping the first 4kg has made it a lot easier to get back in to (treadmill) running, which should help keep the weight loss trending downwards nicely.

£50 a month going into the pot for a PowerTap track hub (I've been promising myself one for years). I should have enough to buy one once I get down to 76.2kg (12st, BMI < 25). Last time I was that weight was around the time of LEL 2009.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 June, 2013, 11:13:06 pm
My weight is 74kg this evening. It'll take a few days for the Pendle 600 to wear off and a return to normal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 June, 2013, 11:55:41 am
I weighed myself yesterday morning after a weekend's lethargy and pigging out on very unsuitable food at my m-i-l's: 118.1kg

I weighed myself this morning: 113.9kg.

Only some of that is down to the inaccuracy of the scales.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 June, 2013, 05:57:27 am
Whoop! Under 67kg for the first time this year. Somehow don't think I'm going to achieve my original target of 64kg by 3rd July, but let's see if I can maintain this trend...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 26 June, 2013, 06:46:05 am
I've gained half a kg in the last 7 days

since then I've shed a kilogram
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 26 June, 2013, 01:33:53 pm
Aye, I went up nearly a kilo after Sunday's 200. No fasting day yesterday as still replacing carbs and protein destroyed during the ride. Fasting today instead, will see what I'm like tomorrow morning before breakfast...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 27 June, 2013, 10:01:21 am
The effect of the fasting day was to shed a kilo exactly. Presumably mostly water. Overall trend does seem to be downwards, but slowing the past couple of months. This is mainly due to cramming the audaxes in to the longer days, and consequently skipping a fair few fasting days due to carbo-loading beforehand, and recovery afterwards.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 27 June, 2013, 11:04:15 am
My weight is 74kg this evening. It'll take a few days for the Pendle 600 to wear off and a return to normal.

Mine was 70.4kg yesterday, putting me back to BMI 19.7. Looking on target to being back below 70kg for LEL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 June, 2013, 11:22:02 am
My weight is 74kg this evening. It'll take a few days for the Pendle 600 to wear off and a return to normal.

Mine was 70.4kg yesterday, putting me back to BMI 19.7. Looking on target to being back below 70kg for LEL.

73kg yesterday and 72kg today. Back on the bike today. Slow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 27 June, 2013, 11:52:11 am
BMI 19.7

Blimey. I can't imagine myself being 61kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 June, 2013, 12:23:01 pm
BMI 19.7

Blimey. I can't imagine myself being 61kg.

David is 62kg, I was 64kg when last weighed.
We will get to 60kg one day...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 June, 2013, 02:31:35 pm
BMI 19.7

Blimey. I can't imagine myself being 61kg.

Ditto. I mean, I know I'm lardy, but way back when, as a teenage bride I looked like this:
(click to show/hide)
I don't think I weighed 50kg, it was surely more like 60.

I've got size 7 feet, I think I'd be skeletal with a BMI that low.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 27 June, 2013, 02:34:05 pm
Well. I'm much much lighter today, than I was at weigh-O'Clock yesterday.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 27 June, 2013, 04:55:12 pm
Well. I'm much much lighter today, than I was at weigh-O'Clock yesterday.  :(

Same here, and lower than I was after the recent Noro emptying.

Just means next week (or the week after) will be better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 June, 2013, 01:56:19 pm
I seem to have gained weight.
My ankles are rather swollen.
My hip girth is no larger (and might be smaller).
I ate quite a lot at my nephew's wedding but that was only the equivalent of two meals. Some of the food was very salty. I have probably eaten too many biscuits of late.
I am eating too much but believe some of this weight gain is spurious.
We shall see.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 29 June, 2013, 11:31:16 am
I no longer need a belt for my 32 inch trousers. Far too much junk food last week. Hello again healthy eating, and exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 June, 2013, 11:33:17 am
David has tightened his belt another notch. I had a Very Big Meal last night.
More salad weeks ahead...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 29 June, 2013, 02:01:49 pm
Saw a tweet from Jens Voigt a day or two ago: 78.5 kg and 4.9% body fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 30 June, 2013, 07:48:36 am
I was 7% body fat at ~71kg. This morning I'm 68.9kg (it's falling off post Pendle 600 - a highly recommended ride!), so 19.3. I was 18.5-19 the year before last, and people at work started asking my RA whether I was ill.

It's fair to say I am looking ripped, albeit more like Rasmussen than The Rock.

Been working on core strength on the advice of physio - has been amazing in terms of riding a bike with an aggressive position on Pendle, but no back ache at all. Being so low in BF as meant visible results within 4 weeks.

I'm trying to come up with a pithy phrase that describes my current condition - "body like a body band, face like a bandstand" is the best I can come up with.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 June, 2013, 10:43:01 am
David's BMI is just over 20. I don't know his body fat but it does not seem too low.
I guessed it was 10-12% and he agreed.
I can still 'pinch an inch' (at least!) over his hips.
His waist was 29" (74cm) before we celebrated his birthday with a Big Chinese Meal.
I am wondering how much lard the average chap is now carrying.
It must be a lot.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Canardly on 01 July, 2013, 10:00:23 pm
My son has just lost 4 stones by strictly controlling calorie intake. God its so simple but you need will power and no cake..........................................
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 July, 2013, 07:29:56 am
My son has just lost 4 stones by strictly controlling calorie intake. God its so simple
For him.

I've been controlling calorie intake for about a year without a break. I lift weights. I cycle more than most, and much of it isn't barely-raising-a sweat, it's riding at pace. I've lost 5kg this year. Great, you say, except that only means I've gone from point at in the street freak show fat to just fat bastard.

It is NOT that simple. Especially if you're a) female (lower testosterone = lower calorie usage) b) already active and c) over 40.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 03 July, 2013, 08:09:50 am
According to MFP/Endomondo, I consumed -600 calories net yesterday. By my more conservative estimate, I consumed 800-1,000 calories net.

No wonder people still find it so difficult to lose weight when the figures these helpful apps provide are so far out.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 July, 2013, 08:34:04 am
Highest since January. Some of it is rubbish in my legs from last weekend's 600; I've been suffering terrible DOMS thanks to a change in riding style I wasn't use to.

But there's an underlying upward trend there. Less strict on carbs (actually, it was a carb-fest on the 600!) and eating/drinking too much.

Also - activity is very low during the week; the "only" exercise I'm getting is the >=300km audax rides we're doing every weekend, which is not great for weightloss - persistently high cortisol, nagging hunger, it's not an ideal environment for weightloss.

I'm not that worried, TBH. We're riding pretty well, and that's our focus at the moment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 03 July, 2013, 11:47:59 am
Stasis the name of the game here. Not helped by the odd chocolate binge or bottle of cola. We'll see what transpires after this week's fasting regime, if I have the determination to be strict and not take additional 'wee snacks' to stave off pangs...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 July, 2013, 11:23:12 am
Building up to the Rapha Rising challenge on Strava, so doing 700m+ of climbing a day. Reckon a week of that plus a big ride at the weekend should be good for the challenge.

Easy to keep the weight off, but hunger is brutal. Drinking industrial amounts of water, which as the side effect of waking me up needing a piss.

I *will* be 68kg/BMI 19.0 for LEL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 July, 2013, 12:12:51 pm
No recent weight measurement.
My waist fluctuates but my hips are down another half inch.
S-L-O-W is the name of the game!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 04 July, 2013, 02:15:49 pm
I've done it! I've got down to my target of 85kg.It's took me 6 months to get down from 98kg and I am one happy bunny :)Still got some visible fat IE a spare tyre,but I think I will try to maintain this weight until the Winter and build up some strength.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 04 July, 2013, 03:40:34 pm
went to pre-operative assessment clinic today (re another elbow surgery), all readings were good as suggested by nurse (bmi 21.0, hr 52, blood pressure 111/65). now on a waiting list for the late autumn/winter..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 04 July, 2013, 04:22:51 pm
I've done it! I've got down to my target of 85kg.It's took me 6 months to get down from 98kg and I am one happy bunny :)Still got some visible fat IE a spare tyre,but I think I will try to maintain this weight until the Winter and build up some strength.
That's a big drop. Grats.

Down 11kg now, in 3 months. Not actually dieting, it's just the result of cutting out all dairy. Nameless-Deity-onna-Bike, I must have been eating a lot of cheese and butter.

and, zigzag, if you have a bmi of 21, you are a skinny bugger. Mine is still 24.5.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 04 July, 2013, 06:31:41 pm
BMI isn't everything. Mine is currently 22.7, based on this morning's weight of 71.9kg. My body fat percentage however is 23.7% (based on neck/abdomen/height/weight measurements).

So I need to lose more fat. Lost 14kg over the last 12 months, target is to lose another 2kg. These last 2kg are proving a lot tougher than the previous 14kg to shift. Pretty much hovering around between 71kg and 73kg the past two months (say 72kg average over that time). Can't seem to get below 71kg. Yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 July, 2013, 07:00:14 pm
Agreed, bmi (or really weight, as I'm not changing height) isn't everything, but it's measurable. I was 7.3% bf by dexa at 71.5kg. No idea what my %  will be at 68kg, but I do know that climbing feels easier.

At bmi <19.5, I don't have a spare tyre. I have ripples. At Bmi 18.5, laying in the bath isn't comfy. Somewhere between the two is my target for lel. I'm definitely a "hard gainer", so what's a reasonable target for me wouldn't be for others. I've got muffin tops at bmi 21, whereas others wouldn't.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 July, 2013, 07:28:57 pm
Agreed, bmi (or really weight, as I'm not changing height) isn't everything, but it's measurable. I was 7.3% bf by dexa at 71.5kg. No idea what my %  will be at 68kg, but I do know that climbing feels easier.

At bmi <19.5, I don't have a spare tyre. I have ripples. At Bmi 18.5, laying in the bath isn't comfy. Somewhere between the two is my target for lel. I'm definitely a "hard gainer", so what's a reasonable target for me wouldn't be for others. I've got muffin tops at bmi 21, whereas others wouldn't.

You are like my David. I can pinch more than an inch above his hips but his BMI is 20.3.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 July, 2013, 02:55:30 pm
David is now down to 61kg and still can't see his abs!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 10 July, 2013, 08:34:13 am
Still finding it difficult to keep focus and stop falling back into bad habits like takeaways. Upping my mileage is helping but it certainly isn't enough. Black dog, innit.

That said, the mutt is starting to leave me alone a bit and between that and the sunshine encouraging me out on the bike, I am seeing some very minor improvements. Hopefully that little bit of positive will help me keep my eye on the goal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 10 July, 2013, 08:48:03 am
Our scales resigned this morning :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 10 July, 2013, 10:37:48 am
Starting on a downward trend now, but still above starting weight  :-[  and target will not be met.  I will readjust it soon.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ran doner on 10 July, 2013, 11:18:32 am
Repeated movement of the scales this morning as i couldn't believe the result. :o

A week away on a bread, cheese and wine diet at the TdF and I'm back 1.5kg less than i went with. And I've had 4 days to re-hydrate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Salvatore on 12 July, 2013, 12:43:45 pm
I appear to have lost 7 kilos in the last 7 weeks, largely on a diet of bread, cheese, salami, pastries, pizza, cake and ice cream.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 12 July, 2013, 12:49:33 pm
I've gained half a kg in the last 7 days

since then I've shed a kilogram

since then nothings changed.
I think I've reached a plateau.I also think that to lose more than another kg will require more application,mentally & physically,than I wish to expend.
So...what you now see is what you get.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 14 July, 2013, 12:52:11 pm
I'm going to leave the photos of me on last week's TT on my computer desktop... Motivation to stay off the pies!

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 July, 2013, 01:10:40 pm
I appear to have lost 7 kilos in the last 7 weeks, largely on a diet of bread, cheese, salami, pastries, pizza, cake and ice cream.

Sounds like you had fun! How far did you cycle?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Salvatore on 14 July, 2013, 05:37:05 pm
I appear to have lost 7 kilos in the last 7 weeks, largely on a diet of bread, cheese, salami, pastries, pizza, cake and ice cream.

Sounds like you had fun! How far did you cycle?

About 4500 km.

Less than planned because of having to change plans in Russia, and taking a short-cut (the Helsinki-Travemünde ferry) on the way back so that (a) I could go to the post-ride party after HCH1200 (without riding the 1200) and (b) I would be back in time for LEL.

And about half what I did on last year's tour.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 17 July, 2013, 06:31:02 pm
It is too hot for running.
It is too hot for much cycling (or at least, I can't find the mojo to go out on my own at lunchtime).
It is, however, not too hot for ice-cream, pints of shandy, cold drinks in the garden...

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 22 July, 2013, 12:02:10 pm
found myself 3.2kg heavier after a week's holiday abroad (no cycling and eating a lot of calorie-dense food). i need to gain another kg or so as there's a long ride/race in two weeks time which i'm intending to run on fat as much as possible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 24 July, 2013, 10:47:02 am
I managed to convince the scales to talk to me this morning. It wasn't exactly test conditions since I had drunk half a pint of tea and eaten breakfast, but even so it was bad :(. I now weigh the same as at the end of my pregnancy :o. Who says breastfeeding helps you lose weight? I need to sort it out, I can't afford new clothes and Clarion only has so many that I can borrow.
 :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 24 July, 2013, 10:49:21 am
We should buy some new scales.  Those ones are obviously wrong.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 24 July, 2013, 10:51:46 am
I put on a LOT of weight in the first year of breast-feeding.  At least you noticed earlier than me!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 July, 2013, 11:32:54 am
I seem to have lost a little or at least weigh as little as I did at the beginning of June.  :)
The smaller trousers I bought are less struggle to get over these hips.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 24 July, 2013, 11:49:32 am
I put on a LOT of weight in the first year of breast-feeding.

Aye. Four children and before you I know it, you're I'm wearing size 26.


Right now however: eating cake, gaining weight. I'm resting (the gym is closed for moving, I'm not even cycle-commuting) and binge eating bakewells tarts, chinoise, battenburg, almond croissants (that's today's breakfast). Surprising little gain, considering what I'm stuffing in my mouth.  :-\

I'll get back on the wagon 4th August.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 July, 2013, 12:51:15 pm
72.1kg. Too late to lose anything more before LEL. I expected to be under 70kg afterwards.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 July, 2013, 01:12:10 pm
Graphs updated.

And, in response to fboab’s request a couple of months ago, which I’ve finally gotten around to implementing, everyone now has their own line colour and point style used consistently across all graphs. I can’t guarantee that the same style will be used week to week though generally it won’t change arbitrarily unless a user removes themselves from the weight reports thread.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 24 July, 2013, 01:48:09 pm
Thank you!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 24 July, 2013, 02:03:00 pm
Forgot to weigh myself this morning, and I think I'll be too busy next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 July, 2013, 02:17:46 pm
There will be no graph update next week!

 :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 24 July, 2013, 07:27:39 pm
I put on a LOT of weight in the first year of breast-feeding.

Aye. Four children and before you I know it, you're I'm wearing size 26.



 :'( Oh drat,I was hoping it would get better when he's eating more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 July, 2013, 07:37:53 pm
I put on a LOT of weight in the first year of breast-feeding.

Aye. Four children and before you I know it, you're I'm wearing size 26.



 :'( Oh drat,I was hoping it would get better when he's eating more.

It might; don't lose hope! My Mum fed all 6 of us for 6 months and was fairly shapely when she finished feeding #6.
Jammy bird has no stretch marks either!

A baby's energy needs are about 120-150 kcal/kg/day so a 4kg infant will suck away around 500kcal...

I have never breastfed though and wouldn't be surprised if feeding leaves a mother RAVENOUS...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 24 July, 2013, 07:47:46 pm
Ahh. Well my babies started out as 4kg. (+/-0.5kg) and I fed each of them for about a year. They were little fat feckers and did really well. I was indeed RAVENOUS. But, it goes, eventually. Even the keenest don't feed them forever.


There's more to life than being thin(ner), especially when you're a walking cafe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 July, 2013, 08:03:01 pm
Do 'walking cafés' still drink gallons of cow juice?

My childhood memory is of my Mum eating very normally but drinking an extra pint of full-cream cow juice when she fed. My childhood is a long time ago though and I'd left home when #6 was born.

People don't seem to drink milk like they did when I was growing up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 24 July, 2013, 08:23:50 pm
If the Other Parent is a dairyman, and they share their garden with 200 Holsteins, yes they do!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 24 July, 2013, 09:42:48 pm
Graphs updated.

And, in response to fboab’s request a couple of months ago, which I’ve finally gotten around to implementing, everyone now has their own line colour and point style used consistently across all graphs. I can’t guarantee that the same style will be used week to week though generally it won’t change arbitrarily unless a user removes themselves from the weight reports thread.

Cheers, it all looks good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 July, 2013, 10:08:55 pm
Graphs updated.

And, in response to fboab’s request a couple of months ago, which I’ve finally gotten around to implementing, everyone now has their own line colour and point style used consistently across all graphs. I can’t guarantee that the same style will be used week to week though generally it won’t change arbitrarily unless a user removes themselves from the weight reports thread.

Cheers, it all looks good.

Yours is looking particularly good, crowriver.

WELL DONE!

Thanks for your hard work Simonp!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 July, 2013, 05:27:48 pm
My partner has taken to making smoothies from some recipe he got off the internet.
To this end he bought a food processor from ASDA yesterday for £15. http://groceries.asda.com/asda-webstore/landing/home.shtml#/product/910000436684 (http://groceries.asda.com/asda-webstore/landing/home.shtml#/product/910000436684)
I don't drink the smoothies, which makes them very slimming.
Each time he makes a smoothie I spend half an hour cleaning up!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 31 July, 2013, 01:10:11 pm
Aw shucks, thanks hellymedic.

Alas I was back up over 72kg last week: haven't looked today yet. Rode an audax yesterday and no fasting since Friday so probably stasis again...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 July, 2013, 01:20:34 pm
No idea about my weight but a centimetre less round the bum suggests fat loss.
Methinks there are about  300kcal in a portion of David's smoothie, which means he has to treat them like a large snack/small meal if he wants to stay lean. (1 banana + 240ml skimmed milk + 25g protein powder)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 August, 2013, 12:43:45 pm
I appear to be another kilo lighter. :)
David found this hard to believe while I did not.
We have similar weights, having both started at around 74kg. He's static around 62kg now but I think he's jealous that I'm actually losing even if I'm a tad heavier than he is. :smug:
Poor chap is exercising like crazy while I just sit here...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 07 August, 2013, 06:26:41 am
Back to righteous Keto & the gym post LEL. Inching in the right direction.
I didn't have much swelling except in my hands so no post-ride weight gain to lose, just the stress-cake to stop.
O well. We'll just have to do another multi day event to eat to sugar-fueled appetite.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 August, 2013, 10:37:13 am
I actualy got on the scales again today after a month of interruptions, either holidays or visiting the sick. 115.4. Bugger. That's what happens when you visit Tameside (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=tameside%20obesity&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tameside.gov.uk%2Fscrutiny%2Fpersonal%2Fobesity%2Fsummary.pdf&ei=0RQCUtTtLY2V0QWhtIGYCQ&usg=AFQjCNFmxtpbPnTWZGNpXcMrZCs9Su9DLg&sig2=qEfWvioQ1j5L2uZTukgvIA&bvm=bv.50310824,d.d2k).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 August, 2013, 12:59:43 pm
David's now down to 60kg and I was 63kg when last weighed.
He couldn't  believe his 'sudden' 2kg loss, having been static for weeks. I thought he was getting thinner, whatever the scales showed.
Onwards and downwards...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 August, 2013, 01:06:18 pm
72.5kg - no weight change from riding LEL, then. Looks like I managed to eat enough during the event then!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 07 August, 2013, 01:11:53 pm
Back under 100kg, and I don't think it's just a freak occurrance like the week before last.

Still got plenty to go though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 08 August, 2013, 09:52:15 am
I started sympathy eating for LEL. Bit of a mistake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 August, 2013, 12:22:55 pm
David has encouraged us to eat more beans, brown rice and wholewheat pasta.
Seems to be a good move on many fronts.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 August, 2013, 12:30:00 pm
It's happening again. Today I am already 1kg heavier than the week before LEL. No energy to ride a bike yet. If anything more tired than earlier in the week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 August, 2013, 01:59:02 pm
ADH rules! Rest well and ride when you feel up to it.
The weight will go!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 08 August, 2013, 08:54:12 pm
Got to my target weight a few weeks ago of 85kg.Got weighed today after my bike ride and I am down to 83kg.I still feel strong though so not too concerned. I have done no special diet,but have switched from processed food to homecooked.IE I make my own sauces when I used to use jars.Still eat cakes or whatever on rides but don't buy it from supermarkets anymore.I now cycle about 600 miles a month and feel great.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 09 August, 2013, 11:38:00 am
Need to get back 'on the wagon' (ie. fasting) this week. Been a bit lax lately, skipped fasting days and been scoffing sweeties. Over 73kg last week, only just under this week. Let the intermittent starvation commence!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 09 August, 2013, 11:52:55 am
Need to get back 'on the wagon' (ie. fasting) this week. Been a bit lax lately, skipped fasting days and scoffing sweeties. Over 73kg last week, only just under this week. Let the intermittent starvation commence!

I've just joined you. Fast Day 2 was yesterday so I'll keep an eye on what happens.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 09 August, 2013, 01:42:30 pm
When I was last fit, a bit of a mountain goat, riding up the hills of South Wales without a care. I weighed around 75Kg which was OK for my below average 1.73m height.  When I was lighter I looked thin and drawn, I clicked as I walked so I did not think that was very good. Then I let myself go.  I have not ridden an audax for 4 years. I began to slowly put on weight.  My weight cycles throughout the year.  I used to increase a little in the Winter.  Two years ago I had two crashes which kept me off the bike during my commute and my already increasing weight jumped.  I was a little distressed last year when I didn't lose any weight. At Christmas time I had only one pair of trousers I could wear the other 36" trousers just would not fit. The scales sneered at me, "88Kg 33% fat". BMI 29.3

Without changing my lifestyle in any noticeable way I have finally started losing a bit of that fat.  The scales no longer scream at me to get off and teases "83.4Kg 24% fat" BMI 27.8.

Before I get too excited. I noticed all my 36" trousers were now loose. So I measured the comfortable last hole on my belt to the buckle with a tape measure.  It measured 36" exactly. I also noticed that the belt labeled 36/38 was 40" at the first hole. I couldn't find a useful belt last Christmas. I expect a generously cut 34" would fit me but I would be deluding myself.

 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 10 August, 2013, 11:22:50 am
Well a day's fasting (approx. 600-700 calories intake in 24 hours) has led to exactly 1kg weight loss. Most of that will be water and/or empty stomach. However more encouraging is the 4cm off my waistline since I last measured it about a month ago. Something is goiing right again. I was a bit worried I'd chucked all the progress away by guzzling sweets and biscuits the past fortnight and skipping fasting for a week.

I will keep going and see if I can continue this pattern, or if I hit 'stasis' again in a few weeks...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 11 August, 2013, 09:47:53 pm
Today I weighed myself.  And discovered I am twelve stone and a bit. Ok its a big bit, twelve stone thirteen and half pounds but it is the lightest I have been for some time. Unfortunately it was not at my weighing time.  I weigh myself when I come home from work.  This way I have a consistent figure to compare. Before todays random  weighing I had walked eight miles.  Since then I have had Sunday dinner with more than half a bottle of wine (Ch Beau-Site 2005)  and gallons of tea with biscuits so I am fed and hydrated. So I am probably still above thirteen stone but only just.

 

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 12 August, 2013, 11:35:16 am
The kilo lost seems to be staying off. Just another 2kg to go to my target weight.....if only it were that easy!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 August, 2013, 06:10:00 pm
David is now down to 58.5kg. His tummy is rather fragile and he's exercising like crazy.
I seem to be up to 64kg but have not eaten much 'bad stuff'.
My size 12 trousers are not getting tighter so I suspect the fat loss continues, albeit slowly.

I'm going to have to feed David up a bit soon. (BMI 19.5)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 August, 2013, 07:22:06 pm
David is now down to 58kg and we've agreed he should not lose any more weight.
I've not been weighed recently.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 August, 2013, 08:09:27 pm
Two weeks en France have had the expected effect.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 04 September, 2013, 09:32:24 am
Well looking at my long term trend I seem to be on a slow downward trajectory again at last.  I haven't yet gotten around to putting  in my 2012 figure but I did a serious plunge of about 4 stone from June 2012 to about Jan/Feb 2013 and then it rebounded by nearly a stone when I started audaxing properly and rediscovered my appetite.  I may have gained muscle mass in the old leg department too - the thighs and calves are certainly looking nicely toned these days  :thumbsup:


I've now lost 3 1/2 stone in total from the beginning of my cycling 'career' since June 2012 and it looks like I've maintained a slow drop since about May now.  Lesson learned is that I have had to control my eating/drinking as well as doing shed loads of cycling (which was enough to begin with).  I think my target weight of 90 kg is a rather distant dream currently though  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 September, 2013, 09:54:49 am
I've gained 3kg since the weekend. Since Monday 6am in fact.
Go me!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 04 September, 2013, 10:51:25 am
That all you can eat deal from the McAllister Steak house is a killer eh? ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 September, 2013, 11:14:20 am
First official weigh-in since Spanish holiday; 75.0kg.

Well, I was heavier on Sunday, so that's 1.5kg of win.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 September, 2013, 01:04:25 pm
I must be one of the few people who came back from their summer holiday lighter than when I went away. Not a great deal lighter, but lighter none the less.

This must be in large part because we were camping, so I had relatively limited access to food - I couldn't just go and raid the larder any time I felt a bit peckish. Another factor could be sleep - the thing about camping (for me, at least) is that you tend to get up when it gets light and go to bed when it gets dark, which means no staying up into the middle of the night watching crap on telly, which means more and better quality sleep.

There's probably a lesson in there.

Also, I was very moderate in my alcohol consumption - only three bottles of not especially strong beer over the whole two weeks I was off work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 September, 2013, 01:22:34 pm
My summer holiday was LEL. I lost a whole fecking kilogram.
I did follow your 'limited alcohol, proper sleeping' regimen though, citoyen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 04 September, 2013, 01:40:23 pm
My holidays were a relative success. I put on just under 5kg in 10 days. Then took off 5 kg in the following week. I think it was waste and water retention.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 September, 2013, 03:20:49 pm
My summer holiday was LEL. I lost a whole fecking kilogram.
I did follow your 'limited alcohol, proper sleeping' regimen though, citoyen.

That would be a reasonable weekly rate of weight loss if only it were possible to do LEL every week...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 September, 2013, 03:48:30 pm
My holidays were a relative success. I put on just under 5kg in 10 days. Then took off 5 kg in the following week. I think it was waste and water retention.

Watch half of yacf observe the same phenomenon over Christmas/New Year...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 04 September, 2013, 05:48:22 pm
Up a smidgen on last week, due to no fasting yesterday. I was out on a 200k DIY audax instead. Ease of access to Co-ops, baked goods emporia, ice cream and sweeties may have helped me up the hills but not my weight. Waistline still trimming though: 4cm lost in the past 6 weeks or so. Back to fasting tomorrow...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 04 September, 2013, 07:59:27 pm
No weigh in for me this week as I'm away for work. Not looking forward to next week after a week in a pub with rather good beer and very good food!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 September, 2013, 08:44:06 pm
Graphs updated for the first time in a few weeks…
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 04 September, 2013, 08:59:04 pm
My summer holiday was LEL. I lost a whole fecking kilogram.

I think I dropped about 3 or 4kg over the event, with another 1 or 2 in the following week or so!  Volunteer next time, it's clearly more effective ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 10 September, 2013, 08:36:53 am
[Shuffles to feet, stares at the floor, clears throat ...]

"Hello, my name's Oscar's dad.  For the first time in my life I have decided to go on a diet and lose some weight.  So I thought I'd join this thread for some help and encouragement.  Thanks for listening."
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 10 September, 2013, 08:59:58 am
Hi OD and good luck. :)

How are you intending to do so?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 10 September, 2013, 09:17:03 am
I've gained 3kg since the weekend. Since Monday 6am in fact.
Go me!


My turn - a whole 7 lbs gained over the weekend - bloody audaxing.  ;)  2 lb back off this morning - hoping for my usual Wednesday plummet - I like the fact that these weigh-ins are on a Wednesday...


Oh and good luck Oscar's Dad  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 September, 2013, 01:17:37 pm
Welcome to our weight loss world, OD!

Losing weight can be a long trek, with many 'temporary blips'.

Don't let these deter you! I can guarantee that it will be Christmas in 15 weeks (+1 day)'s time and there will be food of a calorific nature. Dieters often gain a discouraging amount over the Festive Season. Don't worry! Most of this gain is temporary and it's difficult to gain more than a kilogram of real fat in a week.

That's the point. It's 15 weeks till Christmas and what you eat and your activities, day after day are what makes the difference.

Don't get too hung up about weight per se. A litre of water weighs a kilogram but contains no calories. Long term trends are what matter. I find a tape measure useful to keep an eye on trends.

Because it's awkward to weigh me, I don't do this very often and sometimes the results are disappointing. I bought new trousers a fortnight ago, in a smaller size, without trying them on. When I first wore them, they were very snug but they've got easier now so something must be happening!

It's a journey of a thousand miles.
Good luck with your first steps!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 September, 2013, 02:15:21 pm
[Shuffles to feet, stares at the floor, clears throat ...]

"Hello, my name's Oscar's dad.  For the first time in my life I have decided to go on a diet and lose some weight.  So I thought I'd join this thread for some help and encouragement.  Thanks for listening."

Wot, your pound shop Christmas outfit too tight?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 10 September, 2013, 05:29:35 pm
Marvelous, words of encouragement already (I'm ignoring you Wow  ;D :-* )  Here's the story ...

Normally I put on a few pounds over the winter due to a lack of miles and then shed them as the weather improves and the miles build up again.  This year I haven't lost my winter flab.  To be fair I haven't done as many miles this year but if I'm honest with myself it's apparent that my weight has been slowly rising over the years.  Given I am scheduled to turn 50 next February I think now is the time to reverse the trend.

I am a gnat's cock under 6 foot 2 and am currently 13 stone 10 pounds.  I am lightly built and in 2011 was 12 and a half stone.  When I was 20 years old I was the same height as I am now and about 9 and a half stone  :o.  Here's skinny me in July 1987 aged 23:

(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l160/stevenr_01/scan0002_zps085fe0c6.jpg)

My plan is to get back down to 12 and a half stone.  The Current Mrs R has achieved significant success with Slimming World so that's what I'm doing.  I'm not attending the meetings or doing their on-line thing as we know how it works and have all the books and recipes.  I am combining SW with cranking up the miles.  TCMR is doing likewise so we are supporting each other.  We are also researching joining a gym and possibly getting a personal trainer.

I have the 2015 PBP as a long held goal and my build up will begin next year.  I'd like to be at or below my target weight by the time I start my PBP preparations in earnest

I started my "slim down, get fit" campaign on the 1st September and last week lost 3 pounds.  It was a good start but there's a long way to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 September, 2013, 04:40:09 pm
Forgot to weigh myself this morning.

But I was even heavier earlier in the week than just after Spain: 76.5kg. The records just keep falling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 11 September, 2013, 05:45:14 pm
Things have finally settled down somewhat and it's time to attack the flab.
I have steadily increased the workouts and now it's time for attacking on the main front: The diet.
I will mostly be following the Leangains/IF principle, as detailed on this site: http://rippedbody.jp/ but I will also try to cut out as much grain and sugar as possible.
Weight is currently at 93kg. Goal is to get down to 80kgs in 6 months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 13 September, 2013, 06:34:30 am
I have just had my second post poo, pre breakfast weekly weigh in.  2 pounds lost which I am pleased with.  I weighed myself on Tuesday and hadn't lost anything which was disappointing as we had done 25 reasonably quick miles on the tandem on Monday evening.  Mind you the 25 miles was followed by 2 pints  ::-)  35 even quicker miles were done on Wednesday night followed by 2 and a half pints.

Its good to know I can loose weight without massively changing my lifestyle which bodes well for keeping this up in the long term and not putting the pounds back on again once I hit my target weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 16 September, 2013, 01:36:33 am
I'm coming back into this regime as of now. The other medical problems have been used as an excuse for me to let the weight get out of control but I have, at last, been given some definite boundaries in the "This is as good as it will get so tailor your lifestyle to suit" and other problems are finally getting some official attention so I am back in focus.
I was always a bit overweight but down to 11st 7lb after the accident and now at 19st 13lbs so it's about time I worked a bit.
Wish me luck etc.... :-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 September, 2013, 08:48:53 am
Its good to know I can loose weight without massively changing my lifestyle which bodes well for keeping this up in the long term and not putting the pounds back on again once I hit my target weight.

I hesitate to 'do as I say, not as I do' but you are kidding yourself here.

You know what your current lifestyle leads to: your current weight. The one you don't like and are trying to reduce.

You have to change your lifestyle to get results. The trick is to make lifestyle changes that are sustainable.
I'd also add that any regular cyclist who attempts to use cycling as weight management is on a hiding to nothing. You need to change your diet and exercise patterns and diet, unless you are currently completely sedentary, is the one to change.

This year, it was the month of April that had the most sustained weightloss for me. I rode 1400km (as opposed to >2000 in June & July) and I don't think it's any coincidence that April is the month I was most consistent in both eating low carb and lifting weights 3 x a week.
Weight loss, though it would be wonderful, has played second fiddle to riding audax this year, and as soon as I hit the big rides(400k+) in May, I've been too tired through the week to be very consistent in my gym visits, and eating from forecourts too long to be righteously low carb. I fully expect that when I get back to it in October we will once again see results.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 16 September, 2013, 10:14:18 am
Its good to know I can loose weight without massively changing my lifestyle which bodes well for keeping this up in the long term and not putting the pounds back on again once I hit my target weight.

I hesitate to 'do as I say, not as I do' but you are kidding yourself here.

You know what your current lifestyle leads to: your current weight. The one you don't like and are trying to reduce.

You have to change your lifestyle to get results. The trick is to make lifestyle changes that are sustainable.
I'd also add that any regular cyclist who attempts to use cycling as weight management is on a hiding to nothing. You need to change your diet and exercise patterns and diet, unless you are currently completely sedentary, is the one to change.

This year, it was the month of April that had the most sustained weightloss for me. I rode 1400km (as opposed to >2000 in June & July) and I don't think it's any coincidence that April is the month I was most consistent in both eating low carb and lifting weights 3 x a week.
Weight loss, though it would be wonderful, has played second fiddle to riding audax this year, and as soon as I hit the big rides(400k+) in May, I've been too tired through the week to be very consistent in my gym visits, and eating from forecourts too long to be righteously low carb. I fully expect that when I get back to it in October we will once again see results.

You're right, I can't maintain the same lifestyle and expect a different result.  I have made changes but my comment refers to the fact that I am able to retain the elements of my previous lifestyle that I value.  For example, I am faithfully following the Slimming World eating regime so consequently have a much healthier diet.  I am not drinking during the week, with one exception that I will come to shortly.  I have ramped up the miles so getting more exercise than over the last 2 to 3 months.

When I get out on my bike it would appear that I can sink 2 or 3 pints of Essex energy drink (aka beer) and still loose weight ... so far.  Clearly I can't do this every night of the week.  If my weekly weight loss stops I know I can carry on with the regular rides and bin the beer.

I totally understand that lifestyle changes need to be sustainable if lost weight is to stay lost.  Part of this experience is finding out what is sustainable and what isn't.  Again, you've hit the nail on the head by saying cycling alone won't lead to weight loss - I know of quite a few regular cyclists who do more miles than me yet are luxuriously proportioned!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 16 September, 2013, 10:14:49 am
I'm coming back into this regime as of now. The other medical problems have been used as an excuse for me to let the weight get out of control but I have, at last, been given some definite boundaries in the "This is as good as it will get so tailor your lifestyle to suit" and other problems are finally getting some official attention so I am back in focus.
I was always a bit overweight but down to 11st 7lb after the accident and now at 19st 13lbs so it's about time I worked a bit.
Wish me luck etc.... :-)

Nice one!  Good luck!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 September, 2013, 12:43:14 pm
Cycling alone certainly isn't the answer. I am not cycling but still think I'm losing weigh, albeit slowly.
I've not been weighed for over a fortnight but a tape measure suggests I'm shrinking slowly.

Changing eating habits and persistence are what matter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 16 September, 2013, 12:47:38 pm
Slimming World make no real mention of exercise being the key success, following their eating rules are enough. This has been my wife's experience. Obviously, exercise is important for other, but not unrelated reasons.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 September, 2013, 01:07:11 pm
FWIW we are not following any specific diet. We eat little (maybe just the odd fresh fruit) between meals and modest, lowish fat, lowish carb main meals. We were both around 74-5 kg in January 2012. He's about 59kg now and I was 64kg when last weighed. It's a long haul. I keep telling David he's thin enough but he won't listen!
We do eat 'naughty' foods when away from home. We've never had much alcohol. I won't drink sugar, on principle when I'm out. There's about 28 grams in a bottle of J2O. If I'm going to have an ounce of sugar LET ME EAT CAEK!
I think it's really important NEVER to eat anything you don't enjoy. Personally, I'm not keen on pastry. Savoury pastry is a HUGE calorie load and as it gives me no pleasure, I'm quite happy to leave it on the plate.
YMMV.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 16 September, 2013, 01:17:04 pm
This summer I managed to get back down to 80kgs from 85 which is pretty much my ideal weight having lost everything round the middle and flattened out the stomach.

It's taken a while.  And cycle-touring in the alps for a fortnight is pretty much the only explanation I can come up with.  I just need to get through the winter without putting it back.  Snow and Ice are my enemies, I hate cycling in snow and ice, give me 30C and I am happy.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 18 September, 2013, 09:11:06 am
Ooo lookie.

An entire freight train of wagon wheels over the last week, and I gain 3kg. Who'd've thunk it.

I went to the gym today. I'm easing back into it (munches on shortbread).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 18 September, 2013, 09:46:26 am
Chest infection. Bye bye 1.5kg in a week - no appetite, and the cold that it's come from means no sense of taste. Everything tastes of mucus.

Back below 70kg, and BMI down to 19.6. Doubt the weight loss will make up for the reduced lung capacity, albeit peak flow is still at 690, down from 710.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 September, 2013, 10:20:44 am
Personally, I'm not keen on pastry. Savoury pastry is a HUGE calorie load and as it gives me no pleasure, I'm quite happy to leave it on the plate.
YMMV.

Oh boy, I wish that were true for me. I love pastry. And it doesn't help that my wife both enjoys making pastry and is very good at it... she makes a fantastic cheese and onion pie, one portion (quarter) of which weighs in at about 600 calories. I could easily eat a whole one in a single sitting, given the opportunity.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 September, 2013, 12:45:40 pm
Personally, I'm not keen on pastry. Savoury pastry is a HUGE calorie load and as it gives me no pleasure, I'm quite happy to leave it on the plate.
YMMV.

Oh boy, I wish that were true for me. I love pastry. And it doesn't help that my wife both enjoys making pastry and is very good at it... she makes a fantastic cheese and onion pie, one portion (quarter) of which weighs in at about 600 calories. I could easily eat a whole one in a single sitting, given the opportunity.

I said YMMV!  ;) ;D

Still haven't weighed myself/been weighed...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 18 September, 2013, 01:30:26 pm
I had a serious attack of CBA with the fasting regime over the past fortnight. As a result, I'm slowly gaining a little weight, but less than I feared, only a few hundred grams. It's a bit of a mystery: either I'm subconsciously managing portion control (ie. eating less at main meals) or I've trimmed my snacking habit. I should probably try to start the fasting again to try and get back on track, but may have to push back the deadline for my target weight...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 September, 2013, 02:20:58 pm
Personally, I'm not keen on pastry. Savoury pastry is a HUGE calorie load and as it gives me no pleasure, I'm quite happy to leave it on the plate.
YMMV.

Oh boy, I wish that were true for me. I love pastry. And it doesn't help that my wife both enjoys making pastry and is very good at it... she makes a fantastic cheese and onion pie, one portion (quarter) of which weighs in at about 600 calories. I could easily eat a whole one in a single sitting, given the opportunity.

Mrs. Wow is also a pastry fiend. Steak and kidney pie is her piece do resistance. Meanwhile, not having been near the scales for a month or more, I'm delighted by the loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 19 September, 2013, 05:29:27 pm
Down to 90kgs.(from 93+) This might just work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 19 September, 2013, 05:41:32 pm
 :'(

I'm expecting some bad news from the scales tomorrow morning.  fboab is right, exercise alone doesn't work (*)

(*) Unless you're doing a massive amount of exercise versus the rubbish food you're eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 19 September, 2013, 05:57:39 pm
OD - look up "Banting's Letter on Corpulence", dated 1864.

"I consulted an eminent surgeon, now long deceased —a kind personal friend,—who recommended increased bodily exer­tion before my ordinary daily labours began, and who thought rowing an excellent plan. I had the command of a good, heavy, safe boat, lived near the river, and adopted it for a couple of hours in the early morning. It is true I gained muscular vigour, but with it a prodigious appetite, which I was compelled to indulge, and consequently increased in weight, until my kind old friend advised me to forsake the exercise."

Exercise is great for all manner of reasons - but weight loss isn't one of them. Exercise makes you hungry, and there's a bunch of science about how and why, and the human mind is sneaky in the extreme about how it gets you to address any imbalance.

Being overweight is not a new thing (although the sheer numbers are - obesity in Banting's time was a rare metabolic disorder) - and up until the 70s, we knew what to do about it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 19 September, 2013, 06:05:11 pm
It's not all bad news.  We did just shy of 110km on the tandem over last weekend with full camping kit onboard.  We had a head wind both days and I'd forgotten just how hilly the Essex / Suffolk border can be.  I was properly knackered by the time we got home.

Then on Tuesday night I did 55km on my road bike in the Berkshire Downs.  The 55km included 1000m of climbing.  I flew up them there hills.  So, it would appear that the fitness is returning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 September, 2013, 08:19:43 pm
I think there's something to be said for exercise causing weight loss if you start from a totally idle and lardily overweight baseline.

When I returned to cycling about 8 years ago I lost two stone without any conscious effort at all on the diet front. I just went from minimal exercise to about 6000 miles per year almost overnight. Indeed, I suspect I might actually have increased the food intake but there's a physical limit to what a chap can stuff down his gullet and still be able to move afterwards.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 19 September, 2013, 09:08:59 pm
Yes, when we had a gym/pool that I could afford nearby and I had sufficient time to go lots I lost a shedload of weight - a generous 3 stone - without paying any attention at all to diet, and still eating rather a lot of cake and chips.  But I did swim many miles and go to at least half a dozen aqua classes and spend between 5 and 10 hours in the gym every week...  and I was extremely cheerful, what with the loving my job at the time and the masses of exercise-induced happy hormones swilling about, so didn't do negative eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 19 September, 2013, 09:52:55 pm
Yes, when we had a gym/pool that I could afford nearby and I had sufficient time to go lots I lost a shedload of weight - a generous 3 stone - without paying any attention at all to diet, and still eating rather a lot of cake and chips.  But I did swim many miles and go to at least half a dozen aqua classes and spend between 5 and 10 hours in the gym every week...  and I was extremely cheerful, what with the loving my job at the time and the masses of exercise-induced happy hormones swilling about, so didn't do negative eating.

Well, as long as you spend more energy than take absorb, you'll lose weight....but as you lose weight and do the same level of exercise, the amount of energy you spend will decrease.
This is where resistance work and HIIT comes in. It's always hard and will always push you to the max, regards of your weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 21 September, 2013, 08:11:50 am
Well, I think I must get one chest infection a year. This looks to be my big one for the year. And as usual, my body eats itself.

Another kilo off in the last 3 days. That's 2.5kg in a week. Dunno if the steroids are doing it, but HR feels way up. Not sleeping; doing that horrible greasy sweating thing, and smell really ill. Wife has it too, but she is sleeping - was out for the count by 8pm. It's ripped through the school our kids are at, where it's being called "the KS1 flu".

New bike has been here for a week now, and rubber still hasn't touched tarmac.  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 September, 2013, 08:55:23 am
Well, I think I must get one chest infection a year. This looks to be my big one for the year. And as usual, my body eats itself.

Another kilo off in the last 3 days. That's 2.5kg in a week. Dunno if the steroids are doing it, but HR feels way up. Not sleeping; doing that horrible greasy sweating thing, and smell really ill. Wife has it too, but she is sleeping - was out for the count by 8pm. It's ripped through the school our kids are at, where it's being called "the KS1 flu".

New bike has been here for a week now, and rubber still hasn't touched tarmac.  :'(

Get well soon, Family Mekon!

Hope that new bike feels the tarmac soon!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 21 September, 2013, 09:48:54 am
Half a pound gained over the last week. And tonight we are having a fine dining experience at the establishment of a certain Mr Blanc. That's going to really help!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 September, 2013, 10:25:05 am
Think of indulgent dining experiences as something which means you'll have to be 'dieting' for a few more days. That is all.
Says she who had a very fatty meal at Côte last night.

Enjoy your meal!

You will enjoy these things much more when they are 'special'.

Getting truly stuffed is often not enjoyable; avoid doing anything food wise you don't enjoy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 23 September, 2013, 11:49:16 am
Why does the Nintendo Wii fit board/software not have a category of


"I did a shed load of exercise two days ago, lost a lot of water and then rebounded"  When it asks me to explain why I put on six pounds in weight after losing about 8 pounds the day before through audaxing


?


I know I shouldn't let the thing get on my nerves but the nagging it gives you in a very patronising cheerful way gets right on my goat sometimes.


I should just get a normal pair of scales.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 September, 2013, 02:58:17 pm
Don't use the scales too often! Do use ordinary scales but understand, as you do, that water is not fat!

A tape measure is your friend; measure you waist and bum regularly. Your waist will vary with fluid, food and digestion but regular measurement will inform without patronising.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 23 September, 2013, 05:08:08 pm
Ah I like to follow the daily fluctuations.  It has a nice reassuring regularity to it - almost a circadian rhythm.  :-)
When I stopped looking daily, I put weight on  - says something about my psychology that I think.



What I just don't like is the high-pitched "So, let's talked about your diet..."  rubbish that the Nintendo people have built into their software.
Interestingly you rarely get any kind of congratulations off of it.  If you lose weight you get a telling off for losing it too fast ("I'm worried about your health David...").
It's a harsh mistress really  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 September, 2013, 05:17:38 pm
It is not the act of stepping on scales that causes or reverses weight loss...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 23 September, 2013, 05:37:07 pm
Depends how many times you do it a day ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 25 September, 2013, 08:01:12 am
OD - look up "Banting's Letter on Corpulence", dated 1864.

"I consulted an eminent surgeon, now long deceased —a kind personal friend,—who recommended increased bodily exer­tion before my ordinary daily labours began, and who thought rowing an excellent plan. I had the command of a good, heavy, safe boat, lived near the river, and adopted it for a couple of hours in the early morning. It is true I gained muscular vigour, but with it a prodigious appetite, which I was compelled to indulge, and consequently increased in weight, until my kind old friend advised me to forsake the exercise."

Exercise is great for all manner of reasons - but weight loss isn't one of them. Exercise makes you hungry, and there's a bunch of science about how and why, and the human mind is sneaky in the extreme about how it gets you to address any imbalance.

Being overweight is not a new thing (although the sheer numbers are - obesity in Banting's time was a rare metabolic disorder) - and up until the 70s, we knew what to do about it.

I've been thinking about this.  Unless it's loads of trouble and overly time consuming please could you point me in the direction of some of the science you mentioned?  Perhaps the bits summarized in lay person's term?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 September, 2013, 10:29:58 am
I can relate to Banting's sentiment. There's a vicious circle effect - the more you exercise, the more you need to eat, the more you need to exercise... it's easy to stop exercising, but it's not so easy to reduce your appetite accordingly. You don't really need the science - just look at the way many pro sportspeople's waistlines balloon very quickly after they retire.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 September, 2013, 10:31:12 am
Depends how many times you do it a day ;)

Place the scales on a high step for added benefit.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 25 September, 2013, 11:12:24 am
I can relate to Banting's sentiment. There's a vicious circle effect - the more you exercise, the more you need to eat, the more you need to exercise... it's easy to stop exercising, but it's not so easy to reduce your appetite accordingly. You don't really need the science - just look at the way many pro sportspeople's waistlines balloon very quickly after they retire.


I would counter the Banting stuff with the massive weight loss I have had actually a few times in my life from doing lots of exercise. I do not put on weight when I exercise.
I do tend to spend the intervening years being sedentary though.  Seeing as I am now a committed cycling commuter I hope this does not happen this time.
I am 4 stone lighter than I was eighteen months ago before I started cycling.


What you do do of course is eventually reach an equilibrium with your intake and stop losing which is what has happened to me basically since January-ish.  THEN you definitely need to look at your diet.  *Sigh* why do I like food so much? ;) ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 September, 2013, 11:19:55 am
What you do do of course is eventually reach an equilibrium with your intake and stop losing which is what has happened to me basically since January-ish.  THEN you definitely need to look at your diet.  *Sigh* why do I like food so much? ;) ::-)

There's the crux of the matter. I lost nearly three stone in two years by exercising lots, but then I hit a plateau and have found that even with the same level of exercise, it's far too easy to pile on the pounds again and a constant battle of willpower to keep my food consumption at "equilibrium" level.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 25 September, 2013, 11:21:52 am
What you do do of course is eventually reach an equilibrium with your intake and stop losing which is what has happened to me basically since January-ish.  THEN you definitely need to look at your diet.  *Sigh* why do I like food so much? ;) ::-)

Possibly, because you exercise a lot. HIIT reduces desire to eat, but only briefly - generally, the more you exercise, the more you have a drive to eat and the more you will crave food, and more you like food. The studies I've seen (OD - I'll try and dig out some links - but for now, just go on Google Scholar and search "exercise and appetite") suggest this effect is stronger in women than men.

I believe DrMekon is something of an expert in this area.

If you can put up with being hungry, or you're lucky enough to be someone who doesn't get hungry after exercise, then exercise induced energy deficit probably works as a weight loss method. It didn't work for Banting, and it certainly doesn't work for me, at least, not when I'm on a Normal Western Diet (high carb) - the day after an audax, and I most definitely have Teh Hunger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 25 September, 2013, 11:57:26 am
Exercise by itself is not sufficient for weight loss.  However, my forced periods of inactivity last year and this have, despite eating less, led to my putting on weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 25 September, 2013, 12:02:01 pm
I'm pretty keen on food when I'm not exercising too sadly.  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 25 September, 2013, 01:06:55 pm
If you can put up with being hungry, or you're lucky enough to be someone who doesn't get hungry after exercise, then exercise induced energy deficit probably works as a weight loss method. It didn't work for Banting, and it certainly doesn't work for me, at least, not when I'm on a Normal Western Diet (high carb) - the day after an audax, and I most definitely have Teh Hunger.

another term is SAD (standard american diet), a diet mainly consisting of processed food (http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/big-book/processed-foods-make-70-percent-us-diet) and sugar (http://wakeup-world.com/2012/10/26/the-shocking-statistical-truth-about-sugar/)

i hope people on here are more conscious of what they eat, compared to a typical american :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 September, 2013, 01:15:16 pm
I'm waiting for this book to be published:

http://www.amazon.com/Diet-Cults-Surprising-Fallacy-Nutrition/dp/1605985600/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380111210&sr=1-8&keywords=matt+fitzgerald
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 25 September, 2013, 01:54:51 pm
I believe DrMekon is something of an expert in this area.

Nah, just work in a dept with two people who are - him (http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/cgi-bin/10/people/index.pl?grahamf+research) and her (http://medhealth.leeds.ac.uk/profile/947/research/1).

Marion did her PhD with Barbara Rolls, who came up with the Volumetric diet, which I kinda use. I'm working with Graham on exercise stuff. The testing suite is mega - loads of kit. Getting VO2 max, lactate threshold, etc for myself soon :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 25 September, 2013, 01:57:34 pm
If you can put up with being hungry, or you're lucky enough to be someone who doesn't get hungry after exercise, then exercise induced energy deficit probably works as a weight loss method. It didn't work for Banting, and it certainly doesn't work for me, at least, not when I'm on a Normal Western Diet (high carb) - the day after an audax, and I most definitely have Teh Hunger.

another term is SAD (standard american diet), a diet mainly consisting of processed food (http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/big-book/processed-foods-make-70-percent-us-diet) and sugar (http://wakeup-world.com/2012/10/26/the-shocking-statistical-truth-about-sugar/)

i hope people on here are more conscious of what they eat, compared to a typical american :)

I think there is a distinction to be made between a "normal" diet in the UK, and that in America - largely because we thankfully (mostly) missed out on the dietary disaster that is High Fructose Corn Syrup.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 25 September, 2013, 01:59:43 pm
I might see if I can get a book out of a "let your kids cough all over your food at the beginning of term" diet. The lung diet, maybe.

On antibiotics now. Another kilo off this week. BMI 19.3.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 25 September, 2013, 02:07:01 pm
Bigger market for my heartbreak-and-fags, I reckon. 106kg->69kg in 8 months.

Shame I neither smoke nor have a cheating fecker husband any more.  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 September, 2013, 02:08:19 pm
I might see if I can get a book out of a "let your kids cough all over your food at the beginning of term" diet. The lung diet, maybe.

On antibiotics now. Another kilo off this week. BMI 19.3.

I predicted your BMI would be below 20 in September; I hadn't considered your kids' lurgies as being the reason. GWS!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 27 September, 2013, 10:14:33 pm
Three and a half pounds lost last week. Not sure how I managed that!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: IanN on 01 October, 2013, 03:33:26 pm
I'm waiting for this book to be published:

http://www.amazon.com/Diet-Cults-Surprising-Fallacy-Nutrition/dp/1605985600/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380111210&sr=1-8&keywords=matt+fitzgerald


I expect this will draw heavily from 'Racing Weight'. I followed it for 6 weeks in the summer and lost half a stone. Back on the wagon as of yesterday...

Just common sense healthy eating a lot of it, but with some plausible science on nutrient timing. I think any diet will work if you are disciplined enough to follow it. As i like wholemeal everything, fruit, veg, nuts and large lumps of fish this works for me. It allows dark chocolate, red wine and you can eat what you like (cake!) when on audaxes. Perfect.
Still not a big fan of porridge.

SimonP: I'll bring the book down to a YACF Bristol meet if you want to flick through it
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 October, 2013, 03:38:34 pm
Racing weight? Already got it. I started following Matt's advice after reaching 75kg in 2009, and by summer 2010 was 68kg, and arguably the fittest I've ever been.

I'm currently once more 75kg, for pretty much the same reason as in 2009, not much riding post-LEL. That's changed with enforced commuting by bike the last two weeks (200 miles per week all of a sudden).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 October, 2013, 01:03:26 pm
I seem to have gained weight again but I had the most ENORMOUS cankles at the time of my weigh-in last night, which have reduced since I had my feet on pillows  overnight and made umpteen bathroom visits. My waist & hips have not expanded so I'll just plough on...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 02 October, 2013, 11:24:05 pm
I have no idea how but I am down nearly 2kg in a week!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 03 October, 2013, 05:48:30 am
I have no idea how but I am down nearly 2kg in a week!

Positive thinking, that's what it'll be!  Well done  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 03 October, 2013, 03:49:42 pm
I think its time for me to come back in here now.

I would like to lose 7kg by the start of the TT season in March. I *should* be pretty lean at that weight. 2kg off this month, another 2kg off by the end of the year, then 1kg a month after that as I expect it to get really hard then.

No faddy anything here, just boring calorie counting. I'm going to start with 1500-1600 a day and see how things go on that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 October, 2013, 07:11:31 pm
1500-1600 calories a day isn't enough for someone who exercises as much as you, surely?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 03 October, 2013, 07:47:38 pm
Well I have dropped my exercise a bit recently.... Couple hours on the bike most weekdays, some easy some intervals. 2-3 weights sessions, longer ride at weekends- often but not always sportive/audax, otherwise maybe 3 hours or so (would eat more on those days) I'm even having a full rest day each week for the next month or 2.

Tbh exercise seems to have no effect whatsoever on my weight- it's what goes in my gob
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 October, 2013, 09:29:04 pm
That might be "less" for you, but it's still a lot! I'd agree exercise makes little difference, but I also think "what" is more relevant than "how many calories" go in your gob, and I'd still say 1600 would lower your metabolic rate enough to make weight loss harder.
Good luck, anyway. I'd still like to lose 20 kg, and have wanted to for at least 3 years without success, so what do I know?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 03 October, 2013, 10:04:23 pm
What is it with the Audax New Year and the traditional "festive spread" making a return? I am trying my hardest to avoid the real ale, pies and chocolate before my final big ride of the year, the Dartmoor Devil.

Having a new job which again involves selling bloody tasty food is making this difficult. :'(

I haven't gone on the scales, cause i'd rather not know. Ignorance is bliss right?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 04 October, 2013, 06:35:01 am
Friday weigh in just completed.  I have lost three quarters of a pound in the last week which effectively means my weight has remained the same.  If I'm honest with myself I've been bloody lucky!  I've deviated from the SW regime and had too much bread this week, milk too.  The Outlaws came over at the weekend and I made a wicked quiche and then proceeded to eat an enormous chunk of it - helpful.

But still, I've lost 9 pounds since the beginning of September so I'm pleased.  There's still a way to go before I'm comfortably below 12 stone.

Good luck to everyone else for the coming week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 October, 2013, 12:18:22 pm
Well done OD! I've not lost 9lb since the start of the *year* but I console myself with little factoids which suggest there *is* fat loss.

There's less fat on my limbs and I'm in trousers bought in the spring that are WAY too big. They're a size smaller than the ones I wore in 2011.

Losing fat when you are as idle as I am was never going to be easy or quick.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 04 October, 2013, 12:22:29 pm
I am learning this dieting thing isn't easy!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 04 October, 2013, 12:28:40 pm
I am considering doing that veg drink diet for a month or so, has anyone tried it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 04 October, 2013, 12:34:46 pm
I am considering doing that veg drink diet for a month or so, has anyone tried it?

No. Sounds a bit... well... green to me  :sick:.

Generally speaking, eating regimens that involve the phrase "that xxx diet" are viewed as fads - especially by some around here. I've been following a ketogenic diet, and many would say that's a fad diet, despite the fact it's a close approximation to the "normal" human diet for nigh-on 2 million years.

Anyway, I digress... is this the "will-it-blend?" of diets - whereby you blend combinations of veggies into a (normally green) goo and drink it? Wasn't there a documentary on You-tube about some chap doing it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 04 October, 2013, 01:01:04 pm
Soz Chris, that might have been me lol- was just a throwaway comment really- people at work are always on the Special K diet, or only drink green mush diet, or only eat on a Tuesday and Thursday..... I like the sound of everything I read about the keto diet but obv cant do it.

I stuck to under 1600 calories yesterday but went to bed really hungry, woke up hungry, and had 30-35 miles to do before breakfast. Was very hungry for my porridge. I will try and keep it up a bit longer, but might need to be closer to 1800 not to gnaw my arm off.

Was down 0.4kg this morning, 6.6kg to go *sigh*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 04 October, 2013, 01:07:38 pm
Lady Cavendish, try Slimming World.  You can do it on-line rather than go to the meetings if you prefer.  And once you get the hang of it (like us) you don't need to do either, we just buy their monthly magazine which is excellent and full of recipes.  Their Free and Easy (or some such) plan means you can eat unlimited amounts of a massive list of foods.  The chances of you going hungry are remote.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 04 October, 2013, 01:12:01 pm
Things like that are never really going to work that well, SW recipes all look really nice, but during the week, I don't have time to cook. Everything has to be on the go stuff, or stuff I can make like salads to take to work. I'm never going to sit down and have a proper meal at the table in the evenings, I don't have time for it :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 04 October, 2013, 01:18:43 pm
Things like that are never really going to work that well, SW recipes all look really nice, but during the week, I don't have time to cook. Everything has to be on the go stuff, or stuff I can make like salads to take to work. I'm never going to sit down and have a proper meal at the table in the evenings, I don't have time for it :(

You might have a point.  I am out and about for work during much of the week and "food on the go" can be a challenge.  Thankfully The Mrs and I share evening cooking duties depending on who is most available.

The other thing worth noting about SW recipes is that because they are low fat and sugar they often have lots of ingredients to add the flavor you'd normally get from fat and sugar.  Therefore they can be fiddly and we now have an extensive arsenal of herbs and spices - which isn't necessarily a bad thing.  That said, most of the food we eat is bloody good.  The stuffed peppers we had last night weren't up to much but they are an exception.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 04 October, 2013, 01:31:33 pm
I appear to have lost about 6kg from somewhere.  Not sure how that happened...   ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 04 October, 2013, 01:39:39 pm
I appear to have lost about 6kg from somewhere.  Not sure how that happened...   ???
Have you checked down the back of the bedside table? It might be in with the wires.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Poly Hive on 05 October, 2013, 07:43:04 pm
Happened to find a book on my e reader and thought to delete then thought to have a peep. the book is called the 4 -hour body by Timonthy Ferriss.

It will not work for all, that is a definite, but it is working for my wife and I. We have lost some 100 lbs between us, and she is now a ten and I am tween a 32 and 34 waist from 16/18 amd 36 heading for 38 waist respectively.  ;D

In essence it is avoid carbs apart from one day a week when you are encourage to gorge on all the naughties. Choccy, fill yer boots, etc. the day after the "cheat" day as we call it our weight can shoot up by as much as 6 lbs or more, and by the next weigh day which for us is the morning of the cheat day we are back to par or down a pound or two. What is interesting though is one is asked to measure. Thighs, bum, tum, and upper arms are all measured weekly and over time they shrink. Some weeks there is no weight loss as such but there is inches loss.

So it's worth a read, and cough might possibly be found as a torrent file... I hear. I ended up buying the book so I have my official copy. ;)

PH
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 October, 2013, 08:16:10 pm
I also find the tape measure is my friend when the scales are unfriendly. Our waists are down to 28-9 inches and we are both two sizes less than we were.

We are just eating less in general and less junk in particular.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 07 October, 2013, 09:52:28 am
70Kg and seemingly still falling (down from a high of 85kg).

Still eating junk, far too much sugar, lots of crisps. Still drinking, probably 2 bottles of red a week, some beer.
Still not eating dairy and avoiding saturated fats in general. Eating lots of nuts.

Totally gone off smell of butter, cream or milk. Used to eat a block of butter a week, at least.

I guess this suggests that my body is a saturated fat store.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 10 October, 2013, 12:15:40 pm
I can say that the 5:2 'fad' diet works for me - when I can be arsed to stick to it.

Ultimately, whether fad or not, dieting is all about willpower. I had a harsh lesson in this simple fact when I stopped the fasting regime for a few weeks, and promptly started piling on the kilos.

Back on the wagon, for now...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 13 October, 2013, 10:28:42 am
Well I’m on the waggon after a trip to the doctors who has given me between 5 and 10 years to live if I don’t lose some serious weight as it seems my diabetes which has always been controlled with diet isn’t under control any more (9.3 units over the last six months. Its not been over 6 units for a six month period for as long as I can remember) and my BP has run away with itself again: it was down to 140:85 but once again is well over 190:105…. Not good for a bloke with a family history of strokes and heart attacks.

My real reason for heading to the doctors was chest pains however. These I put down to Acid Reflux, something suffered from last year and which cleared up nicely with a course of Omeprozole. However, this time I didn’t have the sore throat so was worried that it might be something more serious. The doctor said its most likely to be acid reflux as the pain is worse when laying down or swimming, but doesn’t really bother me when cycling or walking. Just to be safe, I have a stress test ECG booked for next Monday. Give Stafford Hospital its dues (and I always thought they were much better than the stories which did the rounds a year or two back), that’s a really quick appointment. Not sure if I should be worried that its so quick or pleased...pleased I guess.

Anyway, I started dieting last week and so far have lost 3.3kg….only about another 40 to go…. Or 50 if you believe the weight charts!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 13 October, 2013, 11:32:39 am
^^^  Sounds like a nasty wake up call.  Good luck, that must have been seriously tough news to take.

I stayed the same last week.  Some re-focusing required.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 October, 2013, 12:33:52 pm
Sounds worrying, e.
Hope all goes well with stress test.

I've little idea what my own weight is doing. I've not been weighed for nearly a fortnight but I've eaten little junk and I don't seem to be getting bigger.
At my weight any loss is not essential but I'd still like to shed some blubber (flab is inevitable if you've been heavier and are middle-aged).

Best of luck and persist with whatever eating plan you have; it's a L-O-N-G journey!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 13 October, 2013, 01:11:42 pm
I can say that the 5:2 'fad' diet works for me - when I can be arsed to stick to it.

Ultimately, whether fad or not, dieting is all about willpower. I had a harsh lesson in this simple fact when I stopped the fasting regime for a few weeks, and promptly started piling on the kilos.

Back on the wagon, for now...

I disagree with this. There are tricks that don't need much if any will power to enact. Smaller plates, satiety promoting foods, remembering to drink lots of water, avoiding purchasing hedonic snack food for starters.

I do need some willpower to remember to log my food, but I find if I keep my house free from hedonic snacks and keep within the -500 - 0 kcal deficit window, I can keep pretty stable weight and not feel like I'm constantly resisting temptation.

We live in an obesogenic environment. Trying to keep it from intruding into our homes dies require a bit if planning, but the reward is that tempting food doesn't constantly intrude in your thoughts.

Why bother? That's for you to answer. For me, it's a bit about health risks in the long term, and about about self experimentation. Being skinny isn't an intrinsically compelling experience, I find. Being quick up the hills is a nice bonus.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 October, 2013, 01:30:59 pm
I think Dr Mekon's advice is sound yet:

I use large plates to prevent making a mess.
I need LOTS of space for my lettuce, broccoli, cucumbers and tomatoes.

We do have hedonic snacks but in modest quantities. Partner complained this morning that the biscuits were getting soft; I think that packet has been in the biscuit barrel for a couple of months and there are still 11 biscuits left.

We love our butter and mayonnaise but don't have very much. We don't have 'light' versions of anything except squash and hot chocolate.

David is now skinny with a BMI of 19.
I am still trying to shed a bit and have a BMI of around 23.

For us, portion control, limited snacking and 'cutting out/down the junk' seem to have worked slowly. We don't count calories but I look up what's in pub meals we may eat and choose accordingly. Most of the food we eat at home is portion-cotrolled and/or low-fat low carb anyway.

We aren't fad dieting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 16 October, 2013, 06:44:59 pm
I've not been posting my weight for the last couple of weeks.  Too depressing.  :-[
But, on Sunday evening (after a night of 'at least enough' drinking and far too much food, MrsC decided that we would try not having anything alcoholic on Sunday evening.
Then on Monday, and then again last night.  If we can keep this up (school days only is the plan) we might turn a corner.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 16 October, 2013, 09:02:34 pm
I just wish I could do that middle path properly; my weight goes up and down like a slinky on acid.

I get it down, stabilise for a while, then go through a period of not riding so much (the last six months) and pile it on. Now I'm back on my bike and it's dropping away at a steady 2Kg+ a week,  without too much effort - cut out booze, eat sensibly, ride. I will hit my salopette fitting weight for xmas, but I just wish it didn't all happen so quickly. I've got a bit better so over the last three years I've only fluctuated 10 - 12Kg but the top end is un fun.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 October, 2013, 10:14:25 pm
No weight to report as not weighed AGAIN. i've been pretty 'good' about my food intake so I hope not to have gained. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 October, 2013, 10:38:50 pm
I'm fed up of being 74-75kg so have started counting calories again.

Today is day 1. I have burned off over 2000 calories doing a 50 mile round trip commute.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 17 October, 2013, 12:47:20 am
I seem to be hovering at the same sort of weight for a few weeks now. I realise I've been kidding myself and not counting the odd "Slips?"
The hardest thing for me seems to be balancing it so that I eat regularly, I never seem to eat through the morning and early afternoon and then Pig out on an evening before bed.  I am going to try and make myself be bothered and have something, just basic porridge or whatever, on a morning and get some fruit through the day as well.  I'm beating the smoking addiction pretty well at the moment and that was the main thing I had to concentrate on if I wanted to survive the year. I think I have it beaten enough that I  can start to take on the responsibility of eating with health and weight loss as the target now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 October, 2013, 08:54:40 am
'dog, not eating breakfast isn't necessarily a bad thing.
(Source:http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031938413001479)

And here:
http://www.details.com/blogs/daily-details/2013/08/5-reasons-to-skip-breakfast.html

Remember, not all calories are equal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 17 October, 2013, 09:04:14 am
On Tuesday evening I saw the "exercise makes you fat" thing in action.  I met up with a colleague in Alton and we went for a 35 mile spin.  My colleague Steve is a Fast Little F*&ker and the terrain wasn't particularly flat. 

I had eaten breakfast and lunch but not dinner.  On our return to Alton at about 9:30pm we dived into the local curry house.  Two popadoms, a tandoori chicken biryani with accompanying veggie curry plus 2 large bottles of beer disappeared down my throat in no time at all.  There was a certain amount of indigestion in the small hours of Wednesday morning - serves me right!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 October, 2013, 09:55:38 am
On Tuesday evening I saw the "exercise makes you fat" thing in action.  I met up with a colleague in Alton and we went for a 35 mile spin.  My colleague Steve is a Fast Little F*&ker and the terrain wasn't particularly flat. 

I had eaten breakfast and lunch but not dinner.  On our return to Alton at about 9:30pm we dived into the local curry house.  Two popadoms, a tandoori chicken biryani with accompanying veggie curry plus 2 large bottles of beer disappeared down my throat in no time at all.  There was a certain amount of indigestion in the small hours of Wednesday morning - serves me right!

Lightweight! :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 17 October, 2013, 10:46:02 am
On Tuesday evening I saw the "exercise makes you fat" thing in action.  I met up with a colleague in Alton and we went for a 35 mile spin.  My colleague Steve is a Fast Little F*&ker and the terrain wasn't particularly flat. 

I had eaten breakfast and lunch but not dinner.  On our return to Alton at about 9:30pm we dived into the local curry house.  Two popadoms, a tandoori chicken biryani with accompanying veggie curry plus 2 large bottles of beer disappeared down my throat in no time at all.  There was a certain amount of indigestion in the small hours of Wednesday morning - serves me right!

Lightweight! :P

I'm working on becoming a lightweight  :P   :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 21 October, 2013, 09:08:57 am
I've been 13 stone 4 pounds for the last 3 weekly weigh ins.  I imagine this is because my calorie intake and  expenditure have reached equilibrium.  On Saturday I did 85 miles, some off-road, and the ache in my legs told me I'd worked quite hard.  On Sunday morning I was down by 2 pounds, but this morning I was back at 13 stone 4.  The 2 pound loss must have been down to dehydration on Saturday - I always sweat quite a lot.

If come the end of the month I'm still stuck at the same weight I'm having a booze free November.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 21 October, 2013, 11:50:44 am
Lost 2.5kgs last week after a health scare (which is now less scary as I think I've ruled out the worst options). It puts me right off my food which is very unlike me!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 21 October, 2013, 04:55:49 pm
Well my weight is down to "only" 127.7kg from 131.9 when I started but I just had some bad news from the hospital where they would not do a stress test on my heart as they said my blood pressure made it too risky...... er swam for 900m on Saturday and went for a muddy 20km ride yesterday without any major chest pains.

They have told me to go back to my GP and get yet more pills and to come back in a month when I have lost more weight.

On the positive note, my line manager is worried that the changes we have had at work, which I objected to as they are WRONG, has caused my chest pains....... wonders off to see if I can use that to my advantage (joking!!!!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 25 October, 2013, 11:13:49 pm
our grandparents hold the secret to being skinny (http://nypost.com/2013/10/24/our-grandparents-hold-the-secret-to-being-skinny/):

1. Eat food… Don’t eat anything your great-great-grandmother wouldn’t recognize as food.

2. Avoid even those food products that come bearing health claims. Don’t forget that margarine, one of the first industrial foods to claim that it was healthier than the traditional food it replaced, turned out to give people heart attacks.

3. Especially avoid food products containing ingredients that are a) unfamiliar, b) unpronounceable c) more than five in number – or that contain high-fructose corn syrup. None of these characteristics are necessarily harmful in and of themselves, but all of them are reliable markers for foods that have been highly processed.

4. Get out of the supermarket whenever possible. You won’t find any high-fructose corn syrup at the farmer’s market; you also won’t find food harvested long ago and far away. What you will find are fresh whole foods picked at the peak of nutritional quality. Precisely the kind of food your great-great-grandmother would have recognized as food.

5. Pay more, eat less. There’s no escaping the fact that better food – measured by taste or nutritional quality (which often correspond) – costs more, because it has been grown or raised less intensively and with more care.

6. Eat mostly plants, especially leaves … By eating a plant-based diet, you’ll be consuming far fewer calories, since plant foods (except seeds) are typically less” energy dense” than the other things you might eat.

7. Eat more like the French. Or the Japanese. Or the Italians. Or the Greeks. Confounding factors aside, people who eat according to the rules of a traditional food culture are generally healthier than we are. Any traditional diet will do: if it weren’t a healthy diet, the people who follow it wouldn’t still be around.

8. Cook. And if you can, plant a garden. The culture of the kitchen, as embodied in those enduring traditions we call cuisines, contains more wisdom about diet and health than you are apt to find in any nutrition journal. Plus, the food you grow yourself contributes to your health long before you sit down to eat it.

9. Eat like an omnivore. Try to add new species, not just new foods, to your diet. The greater the diversity of species you eat, the more likely you are to cover all your nutritional bases.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 October, 2013, 12:01:54 am
I'm not allowed fruits and leaves from Sunday to Thursday this week (procedure on Thursday). The low-res diet sheet the hospital has given me includes only white or whitish foods. I probably will gain no weight but I'm sure low-res food could be more interesting without compromising its qualities.
I really wonder who wrote this; there is scope for improvement but methinks most patients in my situation are so relieved to escape they can't be bothered to comment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 26 October, 2013, 12:12:37 am
I managed to drop just over 1kg this week. Situation is stressful so I assume that is the main thing, add to that the fact that I haven't eaten my "Tradition innit!" two tubes of Pringles a night this last week. Cycled just over 30, slow, miles in the past 4 days so I am starting to push the Immovable object on the rails a little.
I WILL be 121kg or less by the end of November!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 October, 2013, 12:18:09 am
I doubt I'll reach my 60kg target by New Year's Eve but I'll keep trying to lose weight until I do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 26 October, 2013, 12:19:45 am
I doubt I'll reach my 60kg target by New Year's Eve but I'll keep trying to lose weight until I do.

Send me that courier bag full of £1 coins that you wear for safety and emergencies. That should help at least one of us lose some weight!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 30 October, 2013, 08:04:39 pm
Feeling miffed...

MrsC and I have stopped drinking on school nights. We've gone down from three or four 'drinks' (in my case either 250ml bottles of Stella or 500ml bottles of various ales) to nothing from Sunday to Thursday evenings. I don't think our eating has been particularly unusual in the two and a half weeks since we started this. So why have I put on weight?   ???


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 31 October, 2013, 08:31:01 am
Feeling miffed...

MrsC and I have stopped drinking on school nights. We've gone down from three or four 'drinks' (in my case either 250ml bottles of Stella or 500ml bottles of various ales) to nothing from Sunday to Thursday evenings. I don't think our eating has been particularly unusual in the two and a half weeks since we started this. So why have I put on weight?   ???

I'm having a booze free November and I will be interested to see if something similar happens to me. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 October, 2013, 07:37:00 pm
Calorie counting.

Hunger, it’s been a while.

I’m currently showing a 1750 calorie deficit for today. Gonna have me a nice big dinner.  O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 31 October, 2013, 09:43:56 pm
oops! Gone up a fair chunk...FAYL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 01 November, 2013, 08:30:38 am
Oh dear  ;D

Last week I lost 2 pounds.  This week I have gained just under 3 pounds.  Hardly a surprise when you consider the last 7 days have been taken up with eating and drinking big style  :thumbsup:  And the only cycling for the last 10 days consisted of half an hour hooning around Hyde Park onna Boris Bike.

But we have a plan.  As alluded to yesterday I am having a booze free November.  I'm quite looking forward to this as it will be interesting to see how I get on and what effect it has.  And I'm awheel early doors tomorrow morning.

Good luck to everyone else.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 04 November, 2013, 01:51:43 pm
A few months ago I bought weighing scales and placed them in work.  Although it is not the best time in absolute terms after a sixteen mile commute it is a consistent time and condition though the weather will make a difference work and liquid loss. As I am naked apart from socks between cycling and work clothes I step on the scales and take the daily measurement of my weight. When I arrive at my desk I enter that number into my spreadsheet and plot a monthly graph.  I do not worry about daily fluctuations but hope for a downward trend. I want the first number to be higher than the last figure in each month.  So far, September was good a fluctuating but definite decline by 1kg.  October had me worried it climbed mid month but in the last week graph turned down again to finish 0.1kg down. Weight loss is weight loss, good. 

It gets better, the loss has continued into November. This morning when I expected an upturn after a lazy weekend the scales reported 79.8kg the time I have seen a weight under 80kg for five years. Not all good, on the weekend I searched at the far end of the rail for 34" trousers it is time to stop using 36".  I have discovered that the distaff has contributed them to charity bags. I still claim to be 35", that is I use the comfortable 35" hole on my belt. I can use the 34" hole without distress.  My remaining specialist trousers that are 34" fit with spare material.  Clothes makers flatter, they would get a lot of wrong size returns if they did not. 

   
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 07 November, 2013, 07:13:19 pm
Feeling miffed...

MrsC and I have stopped drinking on school nights. We've gone down from three or four 'drinks' (in my case either 250ml bottles of Stella or 500ml bottles of various ales) to nothing from Sunday to Thursday evenings. I don't think our eating has been particularly unusual in the two and a half weeks since we started this. So why have I put on weight?   ???

That's better  :)
(I've also noticed a significant drop in the credit card bill this month)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 November, 2013, 09:36:36 pm
I have, yet again, no weight to report. I think I have a better excuse this time as the medics have interfered with my food and fluids over the past fortnight and any changes might be spurious.
I'm still in my 'Size 12' M&S trousers so I am probably no fatter.
We will see sometime.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 08 November, 2013, 06:30:00 am
Sacrificing booze appears to be working.  3 pounds lost and back down to my all time low of 13 stone 2.  I wonder if next week will see me dip below 13 stone.

There have been a few occasions when I would of enjoyed a drink but thus far it hasn't been too bad.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 08 November, 2013, 11:17:10 am
SteveC & OD - I could never go completely on the wagon, but I too have tried to cut out most of my casual drinking and I've found that it does make a big difference to weight loss progress, so good luck to you both.

AIUI, alcohol has lots of calories but absolutely no nutritional value, so cutting it out is an easy win, if you have the willpower.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 08 November, 2013, 11:37:23 am
SteveC & OD - I could never go completely on the wagon, but I too have tried to cut out most of my casual drinking and I've found that it does make a big difference to weight loss progress, so good luck to you both.

AIUI, alcohol has lots of calories but absolutely no nutritional value, so cutting it out is an easy win, if you have the willpower.

Thanks!  Let's see if I can last a month!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 November, 2013, 09:03:27 am
*does little dance*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 November, 2013, 11:50:48 am
*does little dance*

 :) :) :)

Well done!

Not been weighed recently myself. I suspect little change.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 13 November, 2013, 11:56:33 am
Well done fboab :) Are you still low carbing?

I spent a while losing quite a bit. Then the most recent round of drugs meant I was very sick for a week or 2, hardly ate anything and gained 4kg. I cannot begin to describe how much this pisses me off.

I've got rid of 0.6kg of it (wow). Back on a 1400-1500 calorie a day diet until the 3.4kg has gone. I miss nice food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 November, 2013, 12:10:12 pm
Well done fboab :) Are you still low carbing?
Yes.

I'm also
i) Weights
ii) Running
iii) Daily IF (http://www.threenewleaves.com/daily-intermittent-fasting/)

I'm not
a) counting calories
b) into self denial (yes I did have both cake and alcohol for my birthday)
c) being very strict

I'm trying to stop worrying about food. In fact, I'm trying to focus on enjoying the process, (living well and feeling strong, for want of a less American Self Help Book phrase) rather than only concentrating on The Goal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 13 November, 2013, 12:19:14 pm
Sounds like you've sussed it, fboab. Good stuff.

I just realised that I haven't weighed myself for a month. I suspect I've put on a few kilos lately. Christmas-related work stress means this is not a good time of year for weight control.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 November, 2013, 12:24:46 pm
Sounds like you've sussed it, fboab. Good stuff.
One swallow low reading does not make a summer normal-sized person.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 13 November, 2013, 01:04:55 pm
Hey, I'm trying to be optimistic for you! Anyway, fingers crossed it becomes a trend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 November, 2013, 03:04:41 pm
Weight (and waistline) seem to be heading in right direction.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RW on 13 November, 2013, 04:52:17 pm
I've lost over a stone in the last six months and most of that since August.  Weight loss is always good as far as I'm concerned because I was overweight, but the majority of this has been unintentional.  I've been going through a bit of a rough patch, and spent three weeks on my own in France getting on with jobs.  I veered from being absolutely starving, to not having a hint of appetite.  I ate when I was hungry but even threw food away when I couldn't face it.  That was mainly in the evenings.  The weight loss has continued and given the boost of losing getting on for half a stone, just like that I've been trying a bit harder.  I was surprised to find that this morning I was 11/2 down from a peak of 12/10 just after Christmas.  I'm not doing any formal dieting, the nearest thing is intermittent fasting.  TBH I'm stressed by my employment situation, the difficulty of some of the freelance jobs I've taken on and my inability to earn enough money doing them.

I'm starving now and I've got a pan of bolognaise on the go and a bottle of Merlot to go with it.  It's going to be an early night as I've got to get up pretty sharpish tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 20 November, 2013, 09:15:53 am
3kg in a week  not recommended as I picked up a bug last week,  :>(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 20 November, 2013, 11:57:15 am
I  have now lost 8kg in six weeks which is nothing to do with dieting and all to do with anxiety over a health issue on my dodgy arm - I lose my appetite and feel a bit nauseous when I am scared.

My dog weighs 7.5kg. When I pick her up she's quite an armful - and it's weird to think I've lost more than that amount of weight. My skin is a bit loose in some places because the weight has come off quickly but I've lost a fair bit from my hips/belly which is good.

When I finally get to the bottom of my medical issue then perhaps the weight will just go back on again when I get my appetite back, but I hope some of the new routines I am in as far as eating will continue.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 21 November, 2013, 09:07:58 am
AH ...  :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 21 November, 2013, 01:06:58 pm
GN: I am 4 inches narrower around the waist than I was at the end of September

BN: I am no longer a 38DD
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 25 November, 2013, 09:00:30 pm
I've spent the month so far just vegetating, cycled less than 30 miles in 25 days, and eating BADSTUFFS! Weight is UP 4kg in 25 days and that has got to be fettled. The 24/12 target is obviously not going to happen in any positive way so I'll just try for damage limitation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 November, 2013, 09:30:07 am
I got my hands on a Slimming World literature pack.
I’m giving it a shot and have lost 10lb since 1st November 2013.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 November, 2013, 11:20:32 am
Don't know my weight. Saw various members of extended family last night, many of whom I'd not seen since summer. They all complimented me on looking slimmer so I think that's a WIN.
House smells slightly ketotic...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 November, 2013, 11:30:03 am
House smells slightly ketotic...

"Mmm... Lilt... totally tropical."

</geraldc>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 29 November, 2013, 03:34:01 pm
Well, this morning was my final weigh in before my period of abstinence (November) ends.  I am 0.25 of a pound under 13 stone.  So I have lost nearly a stone since the beginning of September and Dry November enabled me to drop below my 13st 4lb plateau on which I have been stuck for much of October.  All in all I'm very pleased.

Dry November wasn't too bad except I found visiting pubs a miserable experience.  As far as my brain is concerned pubs are made for drinking beer in, non-alcoholic drinks just don't cut it.  I appreciate this doesn't reflect well on me and my hat goes off to all those that can cheerfully sit in a pub without a foaming pint.

Come 0001hrs on Sunday morning (yes I am staying up especially) I shall be back on the booze.  Whilst the diary for December is full of eating and drinking opportunities I hope I will show some restraint and not put on everything I have lost.  If I do I won't beat myself up, at least I know how to get rid of it again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 November, 2013, 03:45:48 pm
Well done OD!

No point tipping your hat to me; I've never liked beer. Pubs do cater better for people like me than in the past.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RW on 03 December, 2013, 02:57:15 pm
I had a medical this morning and it turns out I'm overweight.  The cruelty of it!  I've still lost well over a stone - and I'm 11/3, but I've lost an inch in height as well.  I always thought I was 5 ft 7 - and a bit.  I'm not, I'm just under 5 ft 6, that means my BMI is 25.5.  How did that happen?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 03 December, 2013, 06:46:38 pm
I had a medical this morning and it turns out I'm overweight.  The cruelty of it!  I've still lost well over a stone - and I'm 11/3, but I've lost an inch in height as well.  I always thought I was 5 ft 7 - and a bit.  I'm not, I'm just under 5 ft 6, that means my BMI is 25.5.  How did that happen?
Not sure but you are not alone! (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg1360866#msg1360866)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 04 December, 2013, 11:13:04 am
I had a medical this morning and it turns out I'm overweight.  The cruelty of it!  I've still lost well over a stone - and I'm 11/3, but I've lost an inch in height as well.  I always thought I was 5 ft 7 - and a bit.  I'm not, I'm just under 5 ft 6, that means my BMI is 25.5.  How did that happen?

Ah here's the good news. You can still read BMI from your actual height (ie, the one you remember before your spine started shrinking). At least, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it (about 2" down from my original 5' 10") As none of it is from your legs, you still need to read bike sizing for the previous height so it makes perfect sense to me
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RW on 04 December, 2013, 11:47:51 am
I had a medical this morning and it turns out I'm overweight.  The cruelty of it!  I've still lost well over a stone - and I'm 11/3, but I've lost an inch in height as well.  I always thought I was 5 ft 7 - and a bit.  I'm not, I'm just under 5 ft 6, that means my BMI is 25.5.  How did that happen?

Ah here's the good news. You can still read BMI from your actual height (ie, the one you remember before your spine started shrinking). At least, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it (about 2" down from my original 5' 10") As none of it is from your legs, you still need to read bike sizing for the previous height so it makes perfect sense to me

I'm sure there's a bit of wishful thinking in that argument, at least false logic.  (Thank you for trying to help though).  For the same volume, a short object is going to be wider than a taller one.  What's important is visceral fat - waist size.  I couldn't understand why although my BMI was under 25 my waist measurement was still in the danger zone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 December, 2013, 12:02:49 pm
BMI only sees the total weight. A BMI of <25 doesn’t mean you’re good (in fact, there are no guarantees), if you have a larger waist then this is an indication you need to lose body fat, and possibly gain muscle mass.

Conversely a BMI >25 doesn’t necessarily mean things are bad, either.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 04 December, 2013, 12:06:46 pm
I'm finally back on the dieting wagon. I fell off big style lately. Work and life stress meant that I've not been low-carbing since before LEL, and my weight has suffered.

It wasn't just that I was eating carbs again, I was eating lots of carbs. Now I've finally managed to get into low carb eating again, after a few tries, and it feels good. I just feel much healthier when I'm not eating carbs.

My weight has gone up over the period since I failed LEL, and I've not been weighing myself. Next week I'm going to start the weigh-ins again though.

It's hard work this losing weight stuff.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RW on 04 December, 2013, 12:09:35 pm
BMI only sees the total weight. A BMI of <25 doesn’t mean you’re good (in fact, there are no guarantees), if you have a larger waist then this is an indication you need to lose body fat, and possibly gain muscle mass.

Conversely a BMI >25 doesn’t necessarily mean things are bad, either.

Agreed.  The long and the short of it is that I need to lose fat and put on muscle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 04 December, 2013, 06:37:48 pm
Next year (for I will need to be doing this again  >:() I am going to switch the scales to kilos and do the whole thing in metric!
Far too confusing the other way round.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 December, 2013, 07:28:05 pm
Next year (for I will need to be doing this again  >:() I am going to switch the scales to kilos and do the whole thing in metric!
Far too confusing the other way round.

I am bilingual but I've not been weighed of late. Whether I'm 9st 12lb or 62.5kg makes no odds. I'd guess that's where I am.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 19 December, 2013, 06:26:51 pm
Just posted the last weigh in of the year. (I am not weighing myself on Christmas morning!)
Not a good year.
The target was to lose 16 pounds over the year. I've lost 3.  >:(
So I will be back on 8th January...

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 19 December, 2013, 06:44:46 pm
My target has remained elusive, though I have got pretty near*. This time last year I was nearly 80kg, now just over 71kg. Unlikely to hit 70kg on 25th but haven't done too badly.

Will keep going in the new year and hopefully will reach target weight at some point. Then it will be a case of trying to maintain that weight, or something close to it, throughout the year, while raising fitness and hopefully converting flab into muscle tissue.

So still plenty of challenges ahead, they will just be more nuanced in 2014 (hopefully).

* - Actually not quite true. I hit my first target, 74kg, quite early in the year and revised it a more ambitious target that I haven't managed to attain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 27 December, 2013, 07:16:45 pm
New layout, into which it is hopefully easier to enter our weekly data.
...
If you would also like to record your waist measurement (it being felt that height:waist ratio is a better indicator of health than the notoriously pants BMI) you can use this table which simonp can graph, too.

Top work. Thanks for doing this, fboab.

Although I've not been checking my weight for the last couple of months - one way to avoid bad news... Back on the wagon in 2014!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 27 December, 2013, 07:27:09 pm
If you would also like to record your waist measurement (it being felt that height:waist ratio is a better indicator of health than the notoriously pants BMI) you can use this table which simonp can graph, too.
I have even bought a tape measure for this very purpose. Can't remember where I've put it but I've got nearly a fortnight to find it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 December, 2013, 07:40:14 pm
My tape measure was 'borrowed' and apparently returned but I can't see it under the pile of junk on my desk.
A big belly is not my problem; the waistband on my M&S Size 12 trousers is 5cm too big whilst they are a snug fit round the butt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 December, 2013, 07:43:32 pm
I know the past 3 months or so have been disastrous for for me weight-wise. I'm up to 120kg, which I haven't seen since I started cycling again about 8 years ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 December, 2013, 07:50:54 pm
I'm around 10 stone (63.5kg) now.
That's probably less than I've been since my first year at university.

I'm aiming for 9 stone. I don't know if I'll succeed; with my degree of inactivity (and my love of chocolate and CAIK), weight loss is a challenge.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 29 December, 2013, 10:12:08 am
Thanks to some fairly stressful developments on the personal front, I lost interest in weight loss midway through last year and so I'm pretty much where I was at Jan 1 2013 - about 90-91kg. This year I've set myself the challenge of getting round the full-fat 237km/5000m Wiggle Dragon Ride in June, and to get up those hills ahead of the broom wagon I'm going to need to have trimmed down a fair bit! I doubt 80kg is realistic in 6 months, but that's what my target will be.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 December, 2013, 11:10:13 am
High ideals are all very well, but when you come in from a cold, invigorating walk and your body craves cake, what are you to do?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 December, 2013, 11:16:10 am
Things haven't been going well for eighteen months now.  I never really got back riding after my shoulder operation, and my broken shoulder this year has really thrown things out.

But I'm very overweight again and, even though breathing precludes cycling for the moment, I still have to make a bit of an effort at losing some damn weight this year, since it's impacting my health.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 December, 2013, 12:39:00 pm
Thanks to fboab for starting the new thread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 December, 2013, 12:43:00 pm
Indeed (plink goes the 50p). Much easier format too.

I'm back for more, similar drill as last year as it worked so well at shifting the lard:

Strict LCHF diet (Less than 20g Carbs per day).
Weights 3x a week.
Intervals once a week.
Lots of sleep.
Dry January.
100 Push-up Challenge
200 Sit-up Challenge
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 December, 2013, 01:53:38 pm
High ideals are all very well, but when you come in from a cold, invigorating walk and your body craves cake, what are you to do?

Have a BIG mug of sweet tea or hot chocolate, followed by a microwaved, sliced Bramley apple topped with sugar, spice and CUSTARD.

Lower-calorie than CAKE, still sweet, warm and comforting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 30 December, 2013, 10:31:06 am
Time for another go. I lost more weight on holiday than at any other time , due to not eating out and doing a lot of walking as well. Three months of gardening leave in summer were also pretty good as I spent most of the time doing things rather than slobbing around.
But new job has entailed much more travelling and hotels, plus the stress that goes along with it. So weight has gone down by about 5 kg over the year but is now back to where I was in Jan 2013.
I have started by cutting out sugar in hot drinks, largely as  result of reading "Pure ,white and deadly" by John Yudkin.
Largely about the health dangers of refined sugar but good background on food consumption and its effect on health in general.
Paradox is that my current job is partly reliant on strong UK sugar demand and supply.
Reading some of the success stories on here makes me determined to  try harder to stick to the weight loss goals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 30 December, 2013, 10:56:59 am
Weighed myself this morning for the first time in a while... 72kg.

This means a difference of over 5kg above my lowest weight this year, 8kg above my target weight and a net gain of 2kg for the year. Not a disaster but a trend that needs to be reversed.

Need to start with seriously cutting back on the booze again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: zigzag on 31 December, 2013, 03:21:53 pm
The Human Body has a Story to Tell (http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/media/books/The-Human-Body-has-a-Story-to-Tell-.html)

Quote
If your sole goal is to lose weight, if that's the reason to exercise, then yes, you are going to be disappointed. It's very hard to lose weight through exercise. But since when was that the only reason to exercise? Physical activity makes you happier, makes you smarter, helps your heart, helps digestion, and a thousand other things.

Second, the data on physical activity helps you keep weight off more than lose it. And third, you're right, there is no magic bullet and part of the problem is that once you're overweight, your body wants to stay that way. That's what we're evolved for.

There's a reason dieting is hard, people who lost weight, were at a reproductive disadvantage most of our evolutionary history. So when you diet, guess what, you exercise less, because you lose the motivation, because you're tired, right? That makes sense, because before the industrialization of food we were programmed to save that energy so we could reproduce better. If people understand the evolutionary story, they can better tackle the problem, they understand their body’s natural response.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 January, 2014, 02:08:49 pm
Graph now seems to be working.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 01 January, 2014, 02:19:36 pm
Oh dear I seem to have put on 3kg in December,still in a lot better shape than I was last year.Welcome to boring January :thumbsup:Good luck on your weight loss journeys!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 02 January, 2014, 12:26:13 pm
I know it's a day late but, because I'm driving to work today (the shame  :facepalm:) I had enough time to do the measurements this morning.
One advantage of having a bit of a tummy bug over the break is that I've not put any weight on. Does mean there's a lot of Christmas food still lurking about though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 02 January, 2014, 12:29:59 pm
I did an unofficial weigh in this morning.  Amazingly, I only put on about about 5 pounds in December and am still lighter than I was for much of 2013.

I'm not sure what my tactics will be for 2014 but the 100k audax planned for Sunday should be a good start.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 02 January, 2014, 12:55:51 pm
Either the clothing manufacturers are less sympathetic in their cuts this year or I have gained weight whilst on restricted exercise due to work load and hip injury. 32" waists are still the right size but they don't fit easily round my arse and hips.  :-[

I therefore aught to try to loose the extra 2 stone that sees me nearly 13st rather than the 10.5-11st I should be. Combine this with Mum saying she wants to loose some weight and the general feeling in the household that Dad needs to loose a couple of stone and I suspect there will be no buying of biscuits, sweets etc. and the evening meal portion control may get stricter.

If I can start to loose weight through reduced intake and then get the exercise levels rising again after the op at the end of January then I should reach my 67 - 70kg target unfortunately I was about 81kg when I last checked before christmas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 02 January, 2014, 07:28:19 pm
Well, Not a Good one for me last year, I think I ended up pretty much the same as when I started, maybe a tad heavier!
What is the best formula for weight loss?  I know the saying "Eat Less and Move around more" but I can't do heavy or prolonged physical stuff so I wonder what the best approach is.  I have type 2 diabetes so I am going to be hitting a Low Carb' way for the next few months at least but any other advice would be much appreciated. The only things I can't eat are Seafood, Grapefruits and I can't drink Tea.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 January, 2014, 08:25:46 pm
I can't move around at all and I'm still losing weight, albeit more slowly than I would like.

My first rule is Don't Drink Sugar.

As a diabetic, you should not drink this anyway. Assume all sweet drinks are 10% sugar, give or take. 500ml Coke/fruit juice/lemonade = 50g sugar = 200 Calories. Just don't! Drink diet drinks, water or coffee.

Eat only one piece of fresh fruit if hungry between meals. Otherwise avoid eating between meals.

Don't eat whilst doing anything else. Put the computer away.

Control portion sizes and the amount of fat in your meals.

Before eating, wash your hands, set the table, dish out a modest portion of food.
Sit down, eat it.
Put plate in washing-up.

Get on with the rest of your life.

Don't eat in front of the TV.
Keep snacks out of reach.

Keep food and computers clean by washing your hands before and after meals and never handling food and computer at the same time.

Decide what you're going to do about very high-fat foods like butter and mayonnaise; either go for tiny portions of full-fat versions (my personal choice) or go for the low-fat variants in moderate quantities.

Read food labels.
Read pub & restaurant menus online before you go out so you can make an informed choice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 02 January, 2014, 11:31:04 pm

Cheers Helly. Portion control is a FAIL with me most times and I am trying to make myself deal with that straight off. I don't drink sugar, a lot of coffee but sweeteners in there and only diet fizzy drinks. I have partaken of a few beers recently but that has stopped now.

It's a huge task but it's also a huge benefit if I can lose enough lard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 January, 2014, 11:50:17 pm
It's a huge task for almost all those who wish to lose weight.
My paltry 6kg desired loss for the year still means I must rack up a deficit of about 1000 Calories every week. I don't burn much cos I'm female, no longer muscular, immobile and not very big.
If I eat too little, I get very constipated despite consuming loads of fibre.

I just accept any weight loss will take AGES and I must keep going.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 03 January, 2014, 10:56:03 am
I had all my long hair cut off yesterday. I lost 0.6kg overnight plus I'm more aero. I've now lost 1.4 of my winter kilos, 2.6 to go.

What can I cut off next?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 03 January, 2014, 11:00:07 am
What can I cut off next?

That Pistorius chap is pretty quick, isn't he? Just saying.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 03 January, 2014, 11:02:45 am
I'm definitely up for getting my right foot cut off, it's useless. Maybe that's next and replaced with something more lightweight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 January, 2014, 01:03:35 pm
I had all my long hair cut off yesterday. I lost 0.6kg overnight plus I'm more aero. I've now lost 1.4 of my winter kilos, 2.6 to go.

What can I cut off next?

Coo! your ponytail weighed ten times as much as Biggsy's  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 03 January, 2014, 01:08:05 pm
Joined the local gym just before the new year: well I use the pool twice a week so by becoming a member I get the gym for free, so to speak when you add up my normal monthly spend against the membership fee.

Anyway, went for my induction today and was told that as my BMI is over 35 and as I have type 2 diabetes, I get three months membership for free.   ;D

At last.... one good thing about being overweight!  ;D (Joking....there are no good things about being overweight).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 04 January, 2014, 07:09:47 pm
After finally finding some new batteries for my scales, I have somewhat surprised myself in being 4kg lighter, post-Christmas, than I thought I was. That puts me around my PBP 2007 'racing weight' despite feeling somewhat flabby. The bad news is that that is probably largely muscle atrophy after 6 months of mobility impairment. I guess my revised target should be not to put on any weight while rebuilding strength in my legs and back.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2014, 11:02:57 pm
Jo, I hope that means your mobility has improved.

Me, I’m 100g heavier than at Christmas and 1.5kg lighter than September. I have hardly been on the bike since the Upper Thames, though I suspect in other aspects my strength has increased due to pushing a 200-odd kg motorbike in and out the garage. I’m going to need to start getting some miles in when the weather sorts itself out, and shed a couple or two of kg by mid summer, if I’m to achieve my season’s goals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 07 January, 2014, 09:58:50 am
Back on the low-carb wagon for now. I've started the peeing phase. Last time I went low-carb, I peed a lot after the first few days. I assume it's my body using up all the stored carbs and releasing the water that was stored with them. Or something. Anyway, I pee, a lot.

I'm hoping to get some miles in on the bike soon, but I went to an Aqua-fitness session last night, which kicked my bum. I used lots of bits of me that don't usually get any use. It's hard work waving your arms about in the air for an hour, and some of the exercises made me feel as knackered as doing a steep hill climb on fixed.

I was the only bloke there, but it wasn't too busy. I expected it to be rammed, the first session of the new year. Maybe next week will be busier.

I expected to ache a lot this morning, but I don't. Just a gentle reminder from my arms and legs not to attempt too much today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 January, 2014, 10:08:36 am
If you're peeing like a horse, be sure to add a little extra salt to your tea, or drink some broth - your kidneys will flush out a lot of sodium with that water and you may feel a bit fluey as a result (postural hypotension, shaky, maybe a bit chilled - and not in a good way).

I'm also back on the LCHF; only 10g of carbs yesterday  :smug:.

I'm also hitting the weights. The local gym is undergoing a refurb, so I'm using free-weights at home. Today is a DOMS-fest. Ah well - it helps to distract from the toothache, I suppose.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 07 January, 2014, 10:15:16 am
If you're peeing like a horse, be sure to add a little extra salt to your tea, or drink some broth - your kidneys will flush out a lot of sodium with that water and you may feel a bit fluey as a result (postural hypotension, shaky, maybe a bit chilled - and not in a good way).

Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder, extra salt for me :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 January, 2014, 10:26:02 am
Our bathroom scales were more erratic than usual this morning, giving me something like a 5kg variation in my weight. We've had them for years and I wondered if it was the battery, but we checked it (it's a CR2032) and it seems to have plenty of volts left.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 07 January, 2014, 10:46:47 am
Yesterday was a fast day, and rather than just go to 600 kcals, I just had a few quality street that should have come in way under that (the office is still full of xmas chocs). Avocado on toast for lunch and I'm still stuffed. I'm relatively late to the joys of avocado, but now I'm a confirmed fan.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 January, 2014, 03:31:11 pm
I can't get past the cold-dead-flesh consistency of Avocados. Shame - they're a low-carb staple.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 January, 2014, 06:20:17 pm
I eat them all the time. Mmmm, slimy green fruit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 07 January, 2014, 07:55:16 pm
I can't get past the cold-dead-flesh consistency of Avocados.
Obviously, the cold dead flesh of ham is OK.
Egg mayo & avocado for tea for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 07 January, 2014, 08:52:50 pm
Only 10lbs to lose before mid March. That's a 1lb a week right???

Why do I always over indulge in November and December? FFS self control.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 07 January, 2014, 09:34:59 pm
I think the reason we over indulge in November in December, and crave those festival carbohydrates, is because we used to need to build fat for cold lean patches from January to April. It's reserves.
(I haven't really put on more than a couple of kilos, personally, which is a first. :smug:)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 08 January, 2014, 11:17:33 am
Quiet in the office this early on in the year, so I've been comparing my weight chart for the last year with my diary.

The good news, when not on a "diet" my weight stays pretty constant.

The bad news, when on holiday, or in holiday periods, I seem to choose to not weigh myself and gorge.

The weight I gained last year, the damage was done over 3 specific weeks. Holiday in France, Holiday in Hong Kong and Xmas/New Year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 08 January, 2014, 11:27:30 am
Down about a kilo on last week following some rather half-hearted "fasting" (reduced calories certainly but not 600 per day), plus a few turbo training sessions. Not bad but reckon I could have done better with a bit more self control and a tad more exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 08 January, 2014, 12:10:09 pm
half-hearted "fasting" (reduced calories certainly but not 600 per day)

This is kind of what I'm doing. I'm trying to get used to the idea of feeling a bit hungry occasionally and convincing myself that this is not a bad thing and I don't necessarily need to eat RIGHT NOW, especially if there's a meal in the offing. The prime danger points are mid/late morning (with lunch still more than an hour away) and at the station on the way home in the evening (when it's far too easy to pop into M&S for snackage while waiting for the train). I'm also trying to get back on the wagon of spurning the free food that comes into the office.

So far in 2014, so good. But I don't know how long I'll be able to keep it up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cal on 08 January, 2014, 12:18:20 pm
I can highly recommend having a two week old baby boy, which gives no time for absolutely anything! 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 08 January, 2014, 01:55:48 pm
I'm trying to get used to the idea of feeling a bit hungry occasionally and convincing myself that this is not a bad thing and I don't necessarily need to eat RIGHT NOW, especially if there's a meal in the offing.

Yep, I'm making it a general rule to try and eat only when I feel hungry, which does not necessarily fit standard meal times. Doing this at work can be an issue, where convention dictates a particular timing for lunch. Easier when I'm working from home.

I'll try to ease into a stricter fasting regime rather than shock therapy, and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 08 January, 2014, 02:04:17 pm
I can highly recommend having a two week old baby boy, which gives no time for absolutely anything!
Congratulations!

Conversely, I have found that having a baby, I don't have time to cook so fill up on toast and biscuits which I can eat with one hand and don't require preparation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 08 January, 2014, 04:00:36 pm
half-hearted "fasting" (reduced calories certainly but not 600 per day)

This is kind of what I'm doing. I'm trying to get used to the idea of feeling a bit hungry occasionally and convincing myself that this is not a bad thing and I don't necessarily need to eat RIGHT NOW, especially if there's a meal in the offing. The prime danger points are mid/late morning (with lunch still more than an hour away) and at the station on the way home in the evening (when it's far too easy to pop into M&S for snackage while waiting for the train). I'm also trying to get back on the wagon of spurning the free food that comes into the office.


Same here really, I just decided to eat a lot less.  I only started Monday so the motivation is still strong. Trying to organise a 5:2 regime puts me off so I'll just cut back a lot.

I'm using some of the tips from a BBC program I saw a year or so back, to manage the hunger..  Protein & soup are the best things to stave off hunger.

I tend to have a plain omelette for breakfast and a bowl of soup for lunch (no bread with either).  That's probably around 400kcals.  Around 10:30am and 15:30pm I fend off the desire to start chewing my desk and/or arm with tea/coffee.  Strong black coffee is great for suppressing appetite but I'm trying to cut back.  If it all gets too much then I'll have a banana (Apples seem to make it worse).

I'll have a normal dinner but on a small plate/side-plate.  It's amazing how a small plate helps control portions.  Try filling a side plate with dinner then transferring it to your regular dinner plate for a comparison.  You'd feel short-changed usually.

I really need to lose 2 stone/28 pounds/12.5Kg for summer.  I figure 1 pound a week is an achievable and sensible target.

Note.  If I plan to ride any distance (such as a 100k Audax on Sunday) then all bets are off, I'll eat "normally" the day before and during the ride.  I tend to lose 1pound per 100km anyway.

The first few weeks are easy though.  Weight falls off quickly and motivation is high.  I know only too well that I will plateau every so often once that first stone is gone.  That's when you need to keep going, when you've starved all week and lost nothing.  The pay-off is usually 2 pounds the week after.  Easy to say now.

Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 08 January, 2014, 06:56:27 pm
Well, considering the cake which is still around from Christmas, the mince pies at the committee meeting last night, and the excessive drinkies on Saturday night, oh, and the total lack of exercise, I'm quite pleased with a 1 lb loss. Managing that every week would be fine. (But this week's may have had more to do with the after effects of the upset digestive system over the holidays).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 08 January, 2014, 08:10:46 pm
I am working on the basis of actually having breakfast (even if it is only a cereal bar) and then only having one round of sandwiches at lunch rather than the normal two. If I then avoid too many hot chocolates during the day (sachets provided as well as the tea and coffee that I don't drink) then I should be able to maintain a reduced calorie intake that is better spread through the day.

So far it is working.  :thumbsup: Additional exercise will follow once the orthopods have fixed me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 09 January, 2014, 01:06:46 am
Not good, I've gone up a Kilo since early last week! I have been partaking in a few of the more Slobfest food and drinks this past couple of weeks so I should have expected a rise, wish it wasn't so much in one go though|!

EDIT: I think I read the scales wrong last time and got confused! I was actually DOWN just over a kilo so I am actually quite chuffed!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 09 January, 2014, 10:24:10 am
Forgot to weigh myself yesterday due to real life getting in the way. But having forgone chocolate, booze, cola, snacking at work, and trying to have breakfast which I'm not good at, and trying to eat mote healthily and less, I'm definitely feeling better and have a reduced craving for sweet stuff. Which is good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 09 January, 2014, 10:35:34 am
Forgot to weigh myself yesterday due to real life getting in the way. But having forgone chocolate, booze, cola, snacking at work, and trying to have breakfast which I'm not good at, and trying to eat mote healthily and less, I'm definitely feeling better and have a reduced craving for sweet stuff. Which is good.

Hi Moultonaught.

Seriously, if you aren't so good at having breakfast, try this.  1 egg, tiny frying pan, omelette. It takes about 2 minutes (eat it out of the pan to avoid washing up).

Skipping breakfast isn't a good idea.  This gives you an amazingly full feeling, for little in the way of calories, and kick-starts your metabolism better than an empty stomach.  Currently that, and some tea/coffee, is getting me though to lunch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 09 January, 2014, 10:41:06 am
Thanks. Good plan. I'll try that. I've always never been a morning person and only feel like breakfast at about 10.30, but eating cereal at my desk is frowned on :{(> but I reckon an omlette might be early morning digestible... I'll report back forthwith...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 09 January, 2014, 11:11:33 am
Skipping breakfast isn't a good idea.
Not necessarily true.

Skipping breakfast is fine if you don't overcompensate later.
The 'accepted standard' that breakfast is the most important meal of the day and aids weight loss simply isn't supported- it's mostly confirmation bias.
See here (http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/myths-surround-breakfast-and-weight/?_r=0)

Also- eating breakfast is encouraged by evil carb-pushing cereal giants who own the media, pay for all the research, and fund American Government.
/conspiracy theory

ETA- I lost loads of weight last year and I nearly never eat breakfast. Like Moultonaught I'm not usually hungry till about 10:30 so I don't eat till then, or even later. Eating when you're not hungry is not conducive to having a healthy relationship with food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 09 January, 2014, 12:50:57 pm
That's why I stick to an egg.  I'm an over-compensator if I get too hungry.

Protein and soup work for me, to make me feel (artificially) full.  Carbs have proved, over the long haul, that they don't.  They don't make bread in the quantities necessary to fill me up.

I think it's like quitting smoking, everyone has their own techniques and motivations.

A friend of mine grilled a few rashers of bacon in the morning and cut them into 2" bits.  They'd snack a piece every 20-30 mins during the day.  (extreme Atkins?)
I've never know anyone to lose weight as quickly.  I'm far from recommending it but it worked for them.  They lost 3 stone in just a few months and then switched to a healthy low-cal diet.  They are still very slim to this day (25 years later).  I think it's easy to stay motivated if you see weight tumbling off like that, even if it's "hurting".

Basically though it's all about eating a bit less than you really need.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 09 January, 2014, 12:54:32 pm
So I've been trying again to lose my winter excess. I'm not looking for skinny, or heroics, just back to a decent (for me) cycling weight. I had 4kg to lose, I got one off fine, then last week thought I must be doing something right as another 0.8 came off. It then went back on again so I'm stuck with 3kg to lose and I can't get the scales to move.

I don't why I even try as it just makes me so cross. I'm eating zero junk, I'm training hard at the moment, and on paper, there isn't really anything else I can do. Apart from getting stupid about it, and literally starving myself, I don't know how to get it off. It's so frustrating.

I didn't even have a Christmas binge. The total of my Christmas treats was one mince pie, small bit xmas pud on xmas day, and a couple of quality streets, and one night of being drunk. That was it over the entire 2-3 week period, I stuck to healthy food and no excess the whole way through :(

I find protein and soup filling too. I don't eat any pasta, rice, potatoes, bread, anything like that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 09 January, 2014, 01:01:04 pm
A week isn't enough.  Sounds like you've plateaued (especially if you are only 4Kg from ideal weight, I have loads to lose so it's easy right now)

This is your brain's way of making you give up before it finally lets go of some more weight.  Stick with it another 2 weeks and I bet you break through the plateau.

I expect some difficult times when (if) I get within 4Kg of target.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 January, 2014, 01:03:28 pm
When I was cycling 15-20 miles regularly first thing in the morning as part of my commute, I would delay breakfast until after I'd finished the ride - I don't like to ride on a full stomach. Typically, I would have two boiled eggs and two slices of toast - easy to prepare in advance and take with you.

Delaying it slightly was fine, but I'm not someone who can function well without breakfast.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 09 January, 2014, 01:05:47 pm
Oh god yeah, I'd never consider breakfast before riding/gymming in the morning. I'd a) see it again, and b) it would be too long till lunch.

Paul- I would be ok with them not moving had they not gone back up the 0.8kg, it's the back up when I feel I should be losing it that really pissed me off!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 09 January, 2014, 01:12:51 pm
Oh god yeah, I'd never consider breakfast before riding/gymming in the morning. I'd a) see it again, and b) it would be too long till lunch.

Paul- I would be ok with them not moving had they not gone back up the 0.8kg, it's the back up when I feel I should be losing it that really pissed me off!

You say that you're training hard.  It could be muscle mass.  Weight isn't everything. 

Remember that Lawrence Dallaglio was famously "Obese" (based on his BMI)

(http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo118/hotguys_irl/lawrence_dallaglio.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 09 January, 2014, 02:28:16 pm
Aye, but you can tell he's holding his stomach in there. Check out the love handles above the shorts too.

Not saying he's obese, but not that lean either by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 January, 2014, 02:33:38 pm
You say that you're training hard.  It could be muscle mass.  Weight isn't everything. 

Remember that Lawrence Dallaglio was famously "Obese" (based on his BMI)

I've never met Lady C but I've been following her contributions on yacf long enough to find the notion of her having a Lawrence Dallaglio physique really funny.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 09 January, 2014, 02:37:16 pm
Aye, but you can tell he's holding his stomach in there. Check out the love handles above the shorts too.

Not saying he's obese, but not that lean either by the looks of it.

He had a BMI of 31 and Body Fat of 11%

That's lean in my book.  (Maybe not 11% in that photo but certainly less body fat than me)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 January, 2014, 02:45:41 pm
Well, it just goes to show what a worthless yardstick BMI is for a professional athlete.

It would be more revealing to see how he rates on the waist:height ratio scale - probably well within the "healthy" range.

That said, the love handles are not insignificant. He has the same problem I have - low overall body fat but what he has is all concentrated in that one area round the midriff, no fat on his arms or legs at all (though I have a much lower BMI than him by virtue of also having no muscle on my arms either). Unfortunately, it's the fat around the midriff that's most detrimental to health.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2014, 02:51:52 pm
What percentage of adult males with a BMI of 31 have a bf of under 20%?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 09 January, 2014, 02:52:20 pm
 Yeah, he looks kinda like me, but my hair is lighter  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 09 January, 2014, 03:03:28 pm
What percentage of adult males with a BMI of 31 have a bf of under 20%?
A vanishingly small one.

Didn't we do this before?
sigh (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg1142019#msg1142019)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 09 January, 2014, 03:19:38 pm
What percentage of adult males with a BMI of 31 have a bf of under 20%?

I have no idea, why?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 January, 2014, 03:30:56 pm
Didn't we do this before?

Indeed. It's the nature of these discussions to be cyclical. Ho hum.

Anyway, as you pointed out back then, BMI is as good a measure as any. But it has its limitations...

PM, simonp's point is that Dallaglio is an entirely irrelevant example for the purposes of this discussion. Hands up anyone on yacf with a BMI of 31 and body fat of 11%. Anyone? No, thought not.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 09 January, 2014, 03:32:30 pm
Amounts of adipose tissue is just one factor of metabolic health. Fboab and I were discussing this in the car this morning - there are an estimated six million Americans who have a "normal" level of fat, but still have metabolic syndrome, and there are an estimated thirty million Americans who are obese, but don't have any other metabolic issues.

Metabolic syndrome is the key here, which is why it's important not to fixate on weight, long term. Weight per-se is only worth bothering about in absolute terms if it affects you directly - for example, if you want to get a tandem up some Irish mountains in June.

I like to measure other parameters that are indicators of my metabolic health (like fboab, I'm a data geek - though I'm less into spreadsheets) such as waist measurement, blood pressure, blood glucose (as I can't do HbA1c at home) as well as BF%.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 09 January, 2014, 03:34:58 pm
It's not like the doctors aren't aware of the limitations of BMI. While you Europeans have to aim for 25, I have to aim for 23 as my people are thin but fat. It's unfair I tell you!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 09 January, 2014, 03:42:01 pm
Weight is a very crude measure.  BMI us better as an indicator.  Still crude, yes, but useful in the majority of cases (hint: Dallaglio isn't a patient at this surgery).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 09 January, 2014, 03:43:36 pm
Didn't we do this before?

Indeed. It's the nature of these discussions to be cyclical. Ho hum.

Anyway, as you pointed out back then, BMI is as good a measure as any.

The point is that it is the best metric that can be derived from two things that most people already know about themselves (or can easily measure) and a bit of "simple" maths.

BVI (Volume rather than mass) is far better metric but hardly anyone has access to the equipment required to measure volume. Likewise body fat (not knee-water) measurements. Having to put 3 or 4 different values into a spreadsheet loses the "simple" aspect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 09 January, 2014, 03:56:30 pm
PM, simonp's point is that Dallaglio is an entirely irrelevant example for the purposes of this discussion. Hands up anyone on yacf with a BMI of 31 and body fat of 11%. Anyone? No, thought not.

And my point was that weight is not the be all and end all (it was addressed to Lady Cavendish and her concern about not losing weight during hard training).

BMI for athletic types can be very misleading.  Therefore Dallaglio seems very relevant.

If you are slim but heavy then why worry?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2014, 03:57:23 pm
BMI>30 has a high (95%) specificity for obesity in adult males, and even higher (99%) in adult females.

The biggest problem with BMI, as others have alluded to, is its low sensitivity. i.e. BMI says you are ok, but you are not (only 36% sensitivity for men and 49% for women, which means having a 'normal' BMI doesn't tell you very much).

Waist:height ratio is better. Waist:hip ratio is better still. So I really ought to get the 2014 waist measurement stuff working (currently, it's not implemented).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 09 January, 2014, 03:59:12 pm
Hands up anyone on yacf with a BMI of 31
Me! Me!
*Jumps up & down*
Quote
and body fat of 11%.
Ah.

As you were.

 ;)

If you are slim but heavy then why worry?
Because weight matters more than volume when you TT.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 January, 2014, 04:03:06 pm
And my point was that weight is not the be all and end all (it was addressed to Lady Cavendish and her concern about not losing weight during hard training).

Lady C is a high-performance athlete compared to most of us here. I don't want to speak on her behalf but I'd venture to suggest that weight is a significant factor at her level of performance, and the type of sporting activities she participates in.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 09 January, 2014, 04:09:02 pm
Dear Lady Cavendish

I was only trying to offer some words of comfort and support.

Hopefully you'll see that weight drop off over the next couple of weeks if you stick with it.

Yours

Paul.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 09 January, 2014, 04:19:52 pm
LOL. Yes, I'm hoping it will go. It had better go. There are Waitrose mmmmm choc covered biscuits in the office kitchen that I am not touching.

I'm not a high performance athlete but I do try my best at what I do. It's not as essential as it once was when I was running competitively, but my aim for this year until my foot recovers from surgery is to better my TT PBs, yeah, and put in a decent performance at the Nationals. Getting my 10 mile time down from a long 21 to a short 21 or better is going to need all the help there is, and carrying an extra 3kg is unhelpful.

I am really grateful for any comfort, support, advice, whatever, coz I'm finding the whole thing really frustrating. It's just a constant battle to keep my weight sensible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 09 January, 2014, 04:30:44 pm
Interestingly enough, my power and flat speed has increased massively since putting on 10lbs. Did 5 mile interval in 13:35 minute on my winter bike at 3 degrees celcius on Sunday. Considering my best ever 10 mile time is 26 minutes, that's not bad post Xmas IMO.

My hill climbing is shot to pieces mind.

So there's a lots to be said for weight gain, it's all about balance. When I'm 10 stone again in summer I'll be zipping up hills, but wheel sucking on flat again.

As for breakfast, it's not really about weightless for me. My mental well being benefits massively. Bowl of porridge, glass of orange.

Which reminds me, orange juice is getting slagged off massively in the media today for sugar content. It's fruit sugar FFS!!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2014, 04:33:36 pm
I did my fastest Upper Thames last November and I was hovering around 75kg, which is nearly my heaviest ever. However, I was riding fixed, which as everyone knows, makes you much faster.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 09 January, 2014, 04:35:52 pm
I'm not a high performance athlete... Getting my 10 mile time down from a long 21 to a short 21 or better...

Yeah, OK, so you're no Tony Martin, that much is clear. ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 09 January, 2014, 05:43:50 pm
Lost one and a half kilo this week :thumbsup:I don't expect to lose this much every week but its a nice kickstart.My motivation is to help Mrs nightrider who is classed as obese.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2014, 06:46:51 pm
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25118857

Even if you are metabolically healthy being obese carries long term risks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 09 January, 2014, 06:50:53 pm
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25118857

Even if you are metabolically healthy being obese carries long term risks.

We need numbers, not hearsay.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2014, 07:08:00 pm
47.

That’s numberwang!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 09 January, 2014, 07:16:57 pm
Anyone seen the new Paul McKenna book  (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Freedom-Emotional-Eating-Paul-McKenna/dp/0593064070/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389294755&sr=1-1)?

I got on very well with his "I can make you thin", stayed lowish for a couple of years, last year took a wrong turn after I came back from Catalonia and instead of staying in the 88-93 band I bounced back over to 100Kg, going back again now. Just wish I didn't enjoy food and wine so much..... Wondered if anyone had a view of it. (tbh, I'm probably going to click on the buy button anyhow, just annoyed it isn't on Kindle)

Not sure from the blurb it speaks to me, but £6 has to be worth a punt.

ETA
Quote

· Do you wish you ate less? WISH isn't the word I'd use, tbh
· Do you eat to control your feelings? not really
· Do you ever feel frustrated and hopeless about your weight? Again not the description I'd use
· Do you wish that you felt differently about food, about yourself, and about life? yes, yes and no, no
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 10 January, 2014, 08:35:58 am
I'm not a high performance athlete... Getting my 10 mile time down from a long 21 to a short 21 or better...

Yeah, OK, so you're no Tony Martin, that much is clear. ;)

Jeez, Lady C! How many women (or men, FWIW) are capable of a 21 minute 10 mile? I'd say that makes you a Serious Athlete!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 January, 2014, 09:11:16 am

We need numbers, not hearsay.

Aye, I'm instantly wary of any report that opens with "research suggests" or "a study has found".

Especially if it's on the BBC website (which usually means it's been inaccurately copied from somewhere else).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 10 January, 2014, 09:21:43 am
Well, at least I'm consistent. Weight has been identical all week, same again this morning.....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: caerau on 10 January, 2014, 09:33:46 am
47.

That’s numberwang!


PoTD  ;D


(not necessarily for anything other than it put a big fat smile on my face, if I'm allowed to have a fat smile in this thread ;))
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 10 January, 2014, 09:46:56 am

We need numbers, not hearsay.

Aye, I'm instantly wary of any report that opens with "research suggests" or "a study has found".

Especially if it's on the BBC website (which usually means it's been inaccurately copied from somewhere else).
Correlation is not causation.

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/MDA2008/MDA%202011/cholesterol_theory.jpg)

Quote from: Denise Minger
I’m not saying correlation equals causation. I’m just saying maybe we should think about switching to Google Plus.

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-it-time-to-retire-the-low-carb-diet-fad/#ixzz2pzGvavZf
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 January, 2014, 10:09:03 am
As good a reason to give up Facebook as any though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 10 January, 2014, 01:47:45 pm
fboab, that is so funny I'm going to steal it and post on.....you know where.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 11 January, 2014, 02:03:19 pm
Dropped 3kg since Christmas. Fitbit sez:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23853117/YACF/Screenshot%202014-01-11%2014.01.09.png)

Just another 23kg to go...  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 11 January, 2014, 05:07:52 pm
Dropped 3kg since Christmas. Fitbit sez:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23853117/YACF/Screenshot%202014-01-11%2014.01.09.png)

Just another 23kg to go...  :'(

Starting to get close to double figures though :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 11 January, 2014, 05:11:48 pm
Weekly weigh in 10st 8.2lbs. 1.8lbs lost this week.

8.2lbs to go. :)

Nearly all the Christmas food is gone now thankfully.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 January, 2014, 05:16:24 pm
I seem to have gained half a kilo.
This is not very good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 13 January, 2014, 07:54:56 pm
Ah, back to courting my friend "hunger".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 15 January, 2014, 11:34:31 am
Fell off the wagon big time this week as far as the fasting goes. Big dose of CBA. As a result, added 1.7 kg to my weight.  :(

Must. Be. More. Disciplined.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 15 January, 2014, 12:21:04 pm

We need numbers, not hearsay.

Aye, I'm instantly wary of any report that opens with "research suggests" or "a study has found".

Especially if it's on the BBC website (which usually means it's been inaccurately copied from somewhere else).
Correlation is not causation.

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/MDA2008/MDA%202011/cholesterol_theory.jpg)

Quote from: Denise Minger
I’m not saying correlation equals causation. I’m just saying maybe we should think about switching to Google Plus.

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-it-time-to-retire-the-low-carb-diet-fad/#ixzz2pzGvavZf

He was on the telly this morning. Seems he doesn't know how to make an omelette.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 15 January, 2014, 12:47:23 pm
I'm up from yesterday, but down for the week.

I've decided a key food on my non fasting days is avocado, I need to create a pipeline, that delivers me ripe avocados every other day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 15 January, 2014, 02:04:12 pm
I'm up from yesterday, but down for the week.

I've decided a key food on my non fasting days is avocado, I need to create a pipeline, that delivers me ripe avocados every other day.

Last wednesday I went shopping, as is usual. When I got home I removed the weekly shop from the boot, only to find 2 stray avocados - that had been there since Dec 23rd. They were perfect! I've yet to decide if this will be my default ripening procedure.

On another note, in the Dom Rep they call avocado "green chicken" such is it's prevalence and usefulness as a foodstuff,
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 January, 2014, 09:20:59 am
Ugh. I'm about 10 days into keto-adaptation, but unlike last year when we took it really easy for the first three weeks or so, I'm full-on weight-training and also cross-training.

Probably a mistake - as I'm noticing a much bigger drop in performance on the bike; especially climbing.

I've also be playing with 16/8 fasting - as it solves the whole "What to have for breakfast" conundrum that stalks low-carbers; by simply not having any. Couldn't manage that today though - getting home from my 40km ride from Bury, I was bloody starving. An hour and 1500kcals later (outside a stack of low-carb pancakes, Blueberries, Cream and two strong black coffees) and I'm feeling much better  ;D.

I suspect I'd overshoot any calorie target today, by some margin. Just as well low-carbers don't really track calories!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2014, 09:34:30 am
I have decided to buy some new bathroom scales.

Our existing set has been annoying me for quite a long time but their vacillating between 109kg and 118kg was just too much. I wasn't even farting at the time.

I'm going for the Salter Academy ones. £70 is a bit steep, but I reckon I will be able to read the dial.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 16 January, 2014, 11:19:36 am
Still going in the right direction by avoiding snacking and large desserts.

Mondays weigh in for the pre op assessment showed 79.3kg and wednesday at home the scales were oscilating between 78.5 and 79kg. Therefore I am loosing between 0.5 and 1 kg a week just by being a little more sensible with what I eat, hopefully once repaired by the docs I can add some exersize into the mix and loose the mass slightly quicker.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 16 January, 2014, 09:57:59 pm
I have decided to buy some new bathroom scales.

Our existing set has been annoying me for quite a long time but their vacillating between 109kg and 118kg was just too much. I wasn't even farting at the time.

I'm going for the Salter Academy ones. £70 is a bit steep, but I reckon I will be able to read the dial.

These are readable from a distance http://www.johnlewis.com/salter-9050-reverse-electronic-bathroom-scale-glass/p148970
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2014, 10:34:46 pm
Thanks, but I'm fed up with digital ones. I've already got a set of Salter digitals and they are the ones that can't make up their mind how much I weigh.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 17 January, 2014, 07:00:10 am
The weekly post poo, pre breakfast weigh in took place this morning.  1.5 pounds lost over the last week  :thumbsup: So I am back down to 13 stone 3 and a half.  I got stuck on this weight for most of October so it's going to be interesting to see if history repeats.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 January, 2014, 08:58:06 am
I hope you're not dieting, OD. It'll only make it worse.

Science says so (http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Dieting-Does-Not-Work-UCLA-Researchers-7832.aspx?RelNum=7832)

Apparently it's enemy no 1 (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/11/sugar-is-enemy-number-one-now) we need to tackle.

Bollocks to moderation. Just ditch the sugar. And probably the wheat, too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 17 January, 2014, 09:02:27 am
Nope, I am eating sensibly.

Fitness needs to improve so I am thinking about what exercise I should do, the weather isn't making cycling particularly desirable.   
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 17 January, 2014, 09:40:14 am
Fitness needs to improve so I am thinking about what exercise I should do, the weather isn't making cycling particularly desirable.

Weights. Just look at fboab's graph upthread (not the Bieber one).

Lose the sugar and starch. Do weights. Once a week/fortnight, HIIT.

You don't need to go to the gym. Push-ups, planks, crunches and so on can all be done while watching telly ;).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 17 January, 2014, 09:42:24 am
Yes, thanks, food for thought.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 17 January, 2014, 09:42:55 am
Yes, thanks, food for thought.

My bad. Wrong thread - here it is: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=67736.msg1602106#msg1602106
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 17 January, 2014, 10:59:41 am
Most people who undertake ‘Reducing diets’ are Endomorphs. They wish to be Ectomorphs and fail, because their genetics won’t let them succeed. Eating temptations overcome them.

An Endomorph can be slim. Wartime and post war food rationing proved that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 17 January, 2014, 02:57:33 pm
Surely we're all aiming to be mesomorphs
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 17 January, 2014, 03:12:14 pm
Not in my experience.
Most women come to the gym with the desire to get to less than 25% fat being shown photos of women who are 25% fat.
A lot look at the photos of 20% fat women and change their minds, opting to aim for 20%.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 17 January, 2014, 03:13:24 pm
According to a film I saw once, contact with xenomorphs is quite good for rapid weight loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 January, 2014, 03:19:28 pm
If dieting and moderation have not led me to lose 10kg over the last two years and my partner to lose 15kg over the same time, I don't know what has.

I can't do weights.
David does do weights.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 January, 2014, 03:22:57 pm
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/smutchin/morph_zpse8dacbb7.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 17 January, 2014, 04:03:17 pm
(http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~jwo/acf/fatMorph.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 January, 2014, 04:45:29 pm
There you go, Ectomorph and Endomorph.

In other news, we've had a huge sweet shop-style jar of cinder toffee delivered to the office. I am finding it incredibly hard to keep my hands out of it.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 17 January, 2014, 10:36:32 pm
Well, that was a bit of a "Wake up call"!  I rechecked and have managed to lose just OVER 2 kg in the past two weeks, I was quite chuffed with myself. Unfortunately on Thursday night I started to feel really, seriously unwell and scared that I was going to collapse! I removed my fears by taking the easy option and collapsing with what I can only think of as a Diabetes Prompted incident. BGs were, when I pulled round to a vague level of sensibility, 26.2 on the meter and when I checked again, about 3am, had only gone down to 19.6! I've been fooling myself that the drugs alone will keep the Diabetes at bay and it is now, not the first of these episodes, obvious that I need to do the work myself and use the medications as a Back up to sensible eating and exercise. Bread and potatoes seem to be the real BAD for me and I am, as of February the 1st, handing total control of my eating to my brother Sprogs. I eat it if he tells me to and don't eat it unless he tells me to. No more Pizza and Pringles nights, No More Pork and Pringles nights, No More Kebab and Pringles nights.. can you see the pattern?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 17 January, 2014, 10:48:03 pm
felt really carp today , dizzy , close to vomiting etc.
Could only be cured by eating lots of bread and jam and drinking tea. Add all that to the 3 course dinner on Wednesday and I am not looking forward to next Wednesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 January, 2014, 11:06:47 pm
Well, that was a bit of a "Wake up call"!  I rechecked and have managed to lose just OVER 2 kg in the past two weeks, I was quite chuffed with myself. Unfortunately on Thursday night I started to feel really, seriously unwell and scared that I was going to collapse! I removed my fears by taking the easy option and collapsing with what I can only think of as a Diabetes Prompted incident. BGs were, when I pulled round to a vague level of sensibility, 26.2 on the meter and when I checked again, about 3am, had only gone down to 19.6! I've been fooling myself that the drugs alone will keep the Diabetes at bay and it is now, not the first of these episodes, obvious that I need to do the work myself and use the medications as a Back up to sensible eating and exercise. Bread and potatoes seem to be the real BAD for me and I am, as of February the 1st, handing total control of my eating to my brother Sprogs. I eat it if he tells me to and don't eat it unless he tells me to. No more Pizza and Pringles nights, No More Pork and Pringles nights, No More Kebab and Pringles nights.. can you see the pattern?

IMHO a blood sugar of 25 or 20 needs more than just diet and tablets, it needs medical intervention and, quite possibly, insulin.
What was your latest sugar?

Sustained sugar over 7 is bad for your eyes, kidneys, blood vessels and nerves. I am not a diabetologist but really think you need to get and keep your blood sugar down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 17 January, 2014, 11:11:53 pm
There you go, Ectomorph and Endomorph.

In other news, we've had a huge sweet shop-style jar of cinder toffee delivered to the office. I am finding it incredibly hard to keep my hands out of it.  :(

Another attribute of a good dieter is 'Will power'.

But there are some morons around who haven't got any,,,     ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 January, 2014, 11:18:32 pm
A good dieter needs Will Power and Perseverance.
Losing a significant amount of weight takes a long time and needs sustained effort.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 January, 2014, 08:08:10 am
But there are some morons around who haven't got any,,,     ;D

Hey, I resemble that remark!

As well as Will Power and Perseverance, you also need Brutal Honesty - it's too easy to think you're on the right track with a few token visits to the gym, cutting out that second glass of wine etc, then spoil it all by dipping your hand in the toffee jar when you think no one is looking.  :-[

Pedaldog, your post is rather sobering. Very best of luck (and Will Power and Perseverance) with your attempts to deal with your situation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 18 January, 2014, 08:56:45 am
I think my point over the last 12 months has repeatedly been that all the research shows Will Power is a finite resource you shouldn't be relying on because it runs out. Much better to amend your habits so that food choices aren't a choice but an automatic decision which doesn't use up that resource.
(And change your diet so you're not as hungry but still lose weight.)
Anything that is a constant battle will be a fight you ultimately lose, because very very few people can fight constantly for very long.
'Dog, your story is very sobering. Hope you can find a path that works for you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 18 January, 2014, 09:08:54 am
Blimey, Pedaldog - 26.2?! And I was worried when mine was 6.5 one morning  ::-)

Do as Helly says - you need to go see your doc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 18 January, 2014, 09:33:13 am
.4lbs put on this week. Have struggled to really motivate myself to restrict my habits this week. Wife goes back to work this week, so I am able to feed myself which tends to result in weightloss. She is a bit of a feeder that girl...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 18 January, 2014, 11:05:37 am
I phoned my GF on Thursday morning and she said

"I'm just stepping onto the scales.
Oh no, I've put on 1/4 lb,,, "

"So you haven't lost and haven't gained then." I said.

"No. I've PUT ON 1/4 lb."

"No you haven't. The phone you're holding weighs 1/4 lb.. "
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 18 January, 2014, 11:21:45 am
Thanks for the concerns. I'm back down to the 9's and am seeing the doctor next week again to see what we can do.  My dietary control input starts in a Definite way now though and I will try to help things as best I can.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 January, 2014, 12:10:58 pm
Relieved to read PD's sugar is down. 9 is not good as a long-term figure but you're doing the right thing seeing your doctor.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 18 January, 2014, 01:58:41 pm
A good dieter needs Will Power and Perseverance.

Amen, sister! Hallelujah! Praise be, etc.

We all know what we have to do. Alas, Satan in the form of cakes, biccies, sweeties and pastries can lead the weak astray. The path of righteousness is not an easy one to tread, many temptations lie in wait for the unwary.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 January, 2014, 02:09:03 pm
A good dieter needs Will Power and Perseverance.

Amen, sister! Hallelujah! Praise be, etc.

We all know what we have to do. Alas, Satan in the form of cakes, biccies, sweeties and pastries can lead the weak astray. The path of righteousness is not an easy one to tread, many temptations lie in wait for the unwary.

Coming from an Orthodox Jewish background, I thought I'd put Religious Rules into eating habits and thought they'd be a good plan.

Before eating a meal wash hands and say Grace Before Meals.

Eat until you are satisfied not stuffed, then STOP.

Immediately after eating, say Grace After Meals.

Wash hands before handling computers (not a religious requirement but keeps your keyboard clean).

Always recite a Benediction before eating any snack.
Say a Benediction after eating a snack.

Do not let any food pass your lips without saying the correct Grace or Benediction, ever.

I'm sure religiously following these rules would reduce mindless eating and non-stop snacking...

More rules, followed by the ultra-orthodox:

Do not mix dairy foods with meat foods.

After eating meat (beef, lamb, poultry), do not eat anything containing milk for six hours. (Some people wait one hour, some wait three.)
After eating hard cheese, wait three hours before eating meat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 January, 2014, 02:31:04 pm

Always recite a Benediction before eating any snack.
Say a Benediction after eating a snack.

That is brilliant. I may well adopt it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2014, 02:52:16 pm
Well, buying my new bathroom scales may have ben a mistake. They say i weigh marginally more than the old, erratic, ones did at the top of their range!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 18 January, 2014, 03:14:43 pm
Well, buying my new bathroom scales may have been a mistake. They say I weigh marginally more than the old, erratic, ones did at the top of their range!

Exactly what happened when we bought new, highly accurate scales.  Life is so unfair.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 18 January, 2014, 04:15:54 pm
MrsMike 'kindly' bought me some accurate ones for christmas.  As subtle hints go, it was quite a poor one..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2014, 07:38:28 pm
Well, buying my new bathroom scales may have been a mistake. They say I weigh marginally more than the old, erratic, ones did at the top of their range!

Exactly what happened when we bought new, highly accurate scales.  Life is so unfair.

To make matters worse, I put our two remaining bags of water softener salt onto the scales individually. Both bore the legend "25kg net" but, without taking the salt out of the bag, each weighed 24.5kg! Not only am I a lardier arse than I thought but I've also been short-changed by the salt company.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 18 January, 2014, 09:36:06 pm
A good dieter needs Will Power and Perseverance.

Amen, sister! Hallelujah! Praise be, etc.

We all know what we have to do. Alas, Satan in the form of cakes, biccies, sweeties and pastries can lead the weak astray. The path of righteousness is not an easy one to tread, many temptations lie in wait for the unwary.

15 The Lord God took the man and put him on a bicycle to ride it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of McVitie, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”


3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the cake isle, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your legs will be strong, and you will be like God, and ride up hills fast.”

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 19 January, 2014, 12:37:08 pm
5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your legs will be strong, and you will be like God, and ride up hills fast.”



Never worked for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 20 January, 2014, 05:04:28 pm
We've had a delivery of Krispy Kremes to the office today. I've managed to resist. I don't even like Krispy Kremes anyway, but it's still difficult.

M'colleague, who is trying to shed a few pounds in order to look good in a suit for a wedding he's attending in June, was moaning earlier about how going to the gym three times a week doesn't seem to make the slightest difference to his waistline. He's had at least two of the Krispy Kremes, as far as I am aware. As well as a bag of crisps with his substantial lunch.

I haven't done any exercise today (I don't count the short ride to the station) but even when you factor in his gym session, my net calorie intake today is probably about half of his. The level of denial going on there is staggering.

What can you say?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 January, 2014, 05:15:04 pm
That the level of denial going on there is staggering?  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 20 January, 2014, 05:16:54 pm
He would say: "No it isn't!"  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 21 January, 2014, 03:42:35 pm
was moaning earlier about how going to the gym three times a week doesn't seem to make the slightest difference to his waistline.

Exercise doesn't help you to lose weight, though it makes you fitter. Only calorie restriction in one form or another will work, ie. eating less.

Tell him that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 21 January, 2014, 03:50:05 pm
was moaning earlier about how going to the gym three times a week doesn't seem to make the slightest difference to his waistline.

Exercise doesn't help you to lose weight, though it makes you fitter. Only calorie restriction in one form or another will work, ie. eating less.

Exercise can help you lose weight, you just need to not over compensate with increased food intake when you increase the amount of exercise.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 21 January, 2014, 03:53:46 pm
Seriously, I don't think there's any point talking to him. He actually admitted to having three Krispy Kremes yesterday. And a bottle of wine with his dinner and cake for dessert last night.

By all accounts (from fellow colleagues who also go to the gym), his workouts aren't exactly what you'd call high-intensity either, so that's going to limit any beneficial effect (I'm guessing he did enough yesterday to work off at most 1-1.5 of those Krispy Kremes, but not all three).

Either he really doesn't see the connection between that and his failure to reduce his waistline, in which case, what can I possibly tell him that would make any difference? Or his heart isn't really in it. I suspect the latter - he seems quite happy with his lifestyle and the idea of looking good in a suit is a romantic fantasy.

I probably sound like I'm carping but that's not my intention. I'm just referring back to what I said earlier about being honest with yourself. He isn't honest with himself if he thinks his gym visits are worth the effort without making any other changes to his lifestyle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 January, 2014, 04:40:51 pm
I put new batteries in the scales last night (hence no weigh-in last week) and discovered that I wished I hadn't. 77.8kg. WTF?!

I blame the motorbike.

I was 2kg lighter this morning, though.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 21 January, 2014, 05:32:08 pm
Exercise can help you lose weight, you just need to not over compensate with increased food intake when you increase the amount of exercise.

I think that is an oft repeated myth.

Certain kinds of exercise can help burn fat* but what this mainly does is convert some fat into muscle. That won't necessarily lead to sustained weight loss, though one may observe some loss effects immediately after exercise due to dehydration.

Reducing calorie intake is the only way towards sustained weight loss and fat burning. The amount of work your muscles need to do to burn off the equivalent of one doughnut is quite formidable.

*though they need to be pretty intense and pretty extended to do so.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 21 January, 2014, 05:43:52 pm
As we've established over and again in this discussion, it's a bit more complicated than calories in vs calories out (even if you are able to measure the figures accurately).

However, when the discrepancy between the two figures is very heavily weighted in favour of "calories in" (as a diet majoring in Krispy Kremes, wine, crisps and cake will be), that rather simplifies matters.

And it doesn't help if the dieter is in denial about their calorific intake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 21 January, 2014, 05:49:35 pm
As we've established over and again in this discussion, it's a bit more complicated than calories in vs calories out (even if you are able to measure the figures accurately).

Yes, it's an oversimplification, but then so is believing that exercise will lead to weight loss. It might, but there are other factors to consider before exercise helps a lot.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 21 January, 2014, 06:00:32 pm
Surely we should let our weight loss results do the talking!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 21 January, 2014, 06:42:32 pm
As we've established over and again in this discussion, it's a bit more complicated than calories in vs calories out (even if you are able to measure the figures accurately).

Yes, it's an oversimplification, but then so is believing that exercise will lead to weight loss. It might, but there are other factors to consider before exercise helps a lot.

Gary Taubes has some nice ways of explaining how the whole Calories In/Out thing is missing the point. Fat people get fat because they eat more than they consume - true, but irrelevant. You don't say "Children become bigger as they get older, because they overeat", though it's undoubtedly true. The point is, they're driven to "overeat" by hormones, because they're growing. Equally, hormones will largely "decide" how our Calories In are partitioned once inside, and it's that process we need to influence (as far as we can, given our genetic "lot") if we want to stay lean, or lose adipose tissue.

Doing daft amounts of exercise might help to achieve that - exercise fires up the metabolism we're told, and improves insulin sensitivity, thereby lowering blood sugar. But by and large it's bloody hard work, almost certainly unsustainable, and just as likely to make you hungry and head for the fridge.

I'm pretty sure the Krispy Kreme and Wine diet, whilst probably quite popular, wouldn't trigger any desirable hormonal changes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 January, 2014, 07:18:47 pm
Quote
You don't say "Children become bigger as they get older, because they overeat", though it's undoubtedly true.

What?!
Children become bigger because they are growing.
They continue to grow for a while even if starved.
Not all growing children become fat, whatever their hormones.

Some adults and some children get fat. The reasons for this fatness are multiple and may get discussed in circles until the internet blows up.
Some may take issue if I say they get fat because their consumption exceeds their needs; most won't.
Many will question why consumption exceeds needs.
Again the answers are complex.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 21 January, 2014, 10:36:59 pm
Quote
You don't say "Children become bigger as they get older, because they overeat", though it's undoubtedly true.

What?!
Children become bigger because they are growing.
They continue to grow for a while even if starved.
Not all growing children become fat, whatever their hormones.
Chris isn't talking about children getting fat, he's talking about children growing.
They grow because their hormones manage their intake and don't convert it into fat, but into growth- even when they're starved (at least at first). They eat more than they 'need' and that excess becomes growth- height, natural maturation.
In exactly the same way, adult food intake is partitioned by hormones into muscle growth, energy for immediate use, and fat storage.
Some research seems to show the presence of body fat changes the hormone balance and a) reduces the desire for movement, hence fat people are more sedentary because they're fat, not fat because they're sedentary and b) changes the balance of hormones so that carrying fat makes you hungrier.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 January, 2014, 06:34:31 am
Good news: 3kg down since the start of the year.

Bad news: none of that has come off my waistline, which is the one and only area where I need to lose a bit.

Sigh.

I know it'll come off eventually if I keep at it, but it's still mildly depressing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 22 January, 2014, 08:39:55 am
I am turning into a soup dragon. Wide necked flask of veggie soup is becoming my lunch when travelling. If I am staying away, I cut out the evening meal and go for a walk. I avoid booking breakfast if it's an extra and just have a pot of instant porridge in my room.  Boring but effective .

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 22 January, 2014, 08:49:01 am
I am turning into a soup dragon. Wide necked flask of veggie soup is becoming my lunch when travelling. If I am staying away, I cut out the evening meal and go for a walk. I avoid booking breakfast if it's an extra and just have a pot of instant porridge in my room.  Boring but effective .
I trust you are still eating *something* in the evening though?

Completely emphasise where you are coming from though. It's always so hard to resist a 3 course meal, full English and copious amounts of alcohol when on company expenses.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 22 January, 2014, 09:21:08 am
Flu has meant no cycling for a week - boo!
Flu has meant 2.5kg weight loss - yay!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 January, 2014, 09:42:57 am
Today I had a review at the gym.

a) Their scales say my weight is lower than my scales at home do. By 2+kg.
b) Apparently I am 'only' 29.6% lard. This was a surprise as I thought I was more than that, given that at 90kg I was 45% lard
c) Apparently I have 52kg of lean muscle mass.
d) 52kg of muscle + 29.6% lard leaves 4.7kg of bones and other stuff. Really?

Hmmm.
a) Still 2kg lighter at the gym than at home. They must have lower gravity
b) Now only 27.4% lard
c) Now 52% water (I was only 50.5% before) I think this is because it was raining on the way to the gym

but

He said my program is perfect. You what? There's nothing you would change? Apparently not. As long as I'm eating between 120 and 200g of protein a day, keep doing what I'm doing and my goals will be met.

It's a shame I'm so fat. I'd clearly be a fantastic personal trainer.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 January, 2014, 09:53:26 am
It's always so hard to resist a 3 course meal, full English and copious amounts of alcohol when on company expenses.

There was a period of my life when having a three-course meal on company expenses (sometimes twice a day) was my job. Not good for the waistline.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 22 January, 2014, 10:11:58 am
fboab, obviously there are a lot of good things in there  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:  However, I'm a bit confused at him saying there's nothing he'd change in your program- gym programs shouldnt stay the same however good they are, they need to be changed up every so often, not just lifting heavier weights for the same exercises all the time...... a PTs job is surely to review programs and make new/alternative suggestions?  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 January, 2014, 10:25:42 am
However, I'm a bit confused at him saying there's nothing he'd change in your program- gym programs shouldnt stay the same however good they are, they need to be changed up every so often, not just lifting heavier weights for the same exercises all the time...... a PTs job is surely to review programs and make new/alternative suggestions?  :-\
Well, precisely!
He did have a couple of suggestions, to be fair, and he also said (I was bloody glad, as it would mean even earlier mornings) that 3 x 35 minutes weights was fine, and 2 x 1hr would not be a better use of my time.
But basically, he said keep doing what you're doing, as it's working, you're not overdoing it (or it would show by now) and doing any more would probably be counterproductive.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 22 January, 2014, 10:33:14 am
I'd agree with that, 3 x 35 definitely better than 2 x 1 hour. Are you using free weights at the mo? Does your gym have a TRX?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 January, 2014, 10:45:54 am
Some free weights, some machines, some bodyweight (I've got it- might as well use it ;) ).
It doesn't have a TRX- I do some cable pulls tho'.
My biggest problem is being embarrassed- there's things I wont do because I feel a plank- and not in an ab improving way. But going somewhere makes me more likely to go than if I tried to do it at home, I'd probably just stay in bed longer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 22 January, 2014, 10:57:56 am
I don't think I'd do it at home either tbh. I have to force myself to do my weights sessions, I'd rather just do something else, but hey, needs must.

You shouldn't feel a plank though, that's just silly talk- I bet you are one hell of a lot stronger than loads of the people in there.

(The boys at work in our office made me feel a bit of a plank about weights though actually, they all think they are the next Arnie, go onnnn and onnnnn all day about their 'routines/protein shakes/egg whites' There are about 6 of them all early 30s that go in a group. One day I'd had enough of them taking the piss out of me as they knew I sometimes went to do it as well, so I said I'd go with them one lunchtime, cue a lot of mocking. They stopped mocking when they realised I could lift more than all but 1 of them (the ex-pro footballer) Plus I was doing sets of 20 to their 12. They don't mock so much any more, and I never needed to say a word ;) )
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 January, 2014, 11:24:11 am
I went to the gym last night.

Never seen it so busy. The car park was overflowing due to them having cordoned a large part of it off to build a new changing block. At the busiest time of the year, genius.

I only did 15 minutes warming up on a stationary bike and 5000m on the rowing machine, and no weights. I was taking it steady on the rowing machine, but it actually wasn't my slowest time this season. Perhaps not cycling to work (50 mile round trip) means I'm less fatigued.

Motorbike kit took up two full lockers.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 22 January, 2014, 11:29:44 am
You shouldn't feel a plank though, that's just silly talk- I bet you are one hell of a lot stronger than loads of the people in there.

She is :). She's stronger than me too!

I can only manage 4Kg on Lat Raises, and even then it's a bit marginal - fboab does more.

(I can do push-ups though)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 22 January, 2014, 11:40:54 am
I am turning into a soup dragon. Wide necked flask of veggie soup is becoming my lunch when travelling. If I am staying away, I cut out the evening meal and go for a walk. I avoid booking breakfast if it's an extra and just have a pot of instant porridge in my room.  Boring but effective .

Which is better for a resting cyclist? Three poached eggs and three slices of grilled bacon, or a pot of instant porridge?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 January, 2014, 11:45:34 am
I have to force myself to do my weights sessions, I'd rather just do something else, but hey, needs must.

I like lifting weights.

RAaWWWWR.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 January, 2014, 12:55:00 pm
Good news: 3kg down since the start of the year.

Bad news: none of that has come off my waistline, which is the one and only area where I need to lose a bit.

Sigh.

I know it'll come off eventually if I keep at it, but it's still mildly depressing.

Funny!

My waist is always the first to go, followed by my boobs.

Hips and thighs slim MUCH later.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 January, 2014, 01:38:49 pm
It's a man thing, innit.

(Boobs first here, then waist, then thighs. Presumably eventually my toes.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 22 January, 2014, 01:45:26 pm

b) Now only 27.4% lard

It's a shame I'm so fat. I'd clearly be a fantastic personal trainer.  ::-)
Isn't 27.4% "good" for a woman? I thought they tended to sit around the 25% mark anyway?

I've just resorted to throwing the rest of the Christmas food out. I know, I know, it's a waste and I could have solved world famine, but it was not helping my current regime. I promise not to buy as much next Christmas.

Day 3 of reduced calorie intake. It's surprising how quick my body adjusts to functioning on lower calories. I am a lot less hungry than usual. Going to go on the bike this evening for 50km to expedite fat burn. ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 22 January, 2014, 01:50:23 pm
My biggest problem is being embarrassed- there's things I wont do because I feel a plank- and not in an ab improving way. But going somewhere makes me more likely to go than if I tried to do it at home, I'd probably just stay in bed longer.

When we had an accessible affordable leisure centre I was a member and did lots of swimming/aqua.  I eventually made myself go and try an intro to the gym, despite a bit of a panic attack at the thought.  I ended up a bit of a regular, and eventually got over the being embarrassed about being the fattest person there by quite some margin and not knowing what I was doing.  It did help that I got less fat and clueless, I guess.  What helped more was bumping into another regular - the frighteningly fit marathon running lady - at a kids party one day and being introduced to her by the birthday boy's mum.  She looked at me and said "Oh hello!  We've seen each other in the Barbican gym haven't I?  Always make me smile because you actually work - unlike half of 'em!".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 January, 2014, 02:40:04 pm

b) Now only 27.4% lard

It's a shame I'm so fat. I'd clearly be a fantastic personal trainer.  ::-)
Isn't 27.4% "good" for a woman? I thought they tended to sit around the 25% mark anyway?
Depends on your age. It's OK. It's a lot better than my BMI (31) implies.
It's also an electrical impedance guess, so could be utter fantasy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 January, 2014, 02:43:54 pm
Two different body fat scales differ by about 5% for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 22 January, 2014, 02:54:45 pm
My ones at home tell me I'm 48% fat or something. They are evil.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 22 January, 2014, 02:59:38 pm
The batteries in my scales are low, haven't checked my body fat for about 8 months through ignorant bliss. 15.7% fat and 65% water.

I think the fat is a couple of percent higher than I remember. Not gonna cry over it though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 22 January, 2014, 06:28:52 pm
<insert traditional MV-stylee comment about body fat scales>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 January, 2014, 07:37:19 pm
Quite pleased this morning. My new, expensive, analogue scales had me losing weight, even though they reckon I'm heavier than the old digitals which were pissing me off because of their eccentricities. I'm no longer able to tell what fraction of a kg I've lost though, which is no bad thing. The trouble is the kg scale is in red, which I can't read from 5' 8" away. I could see this morning that I was 18½ stone, which is half a stone less than the start of the year. I have to get on my hands and knees to read the equivalent in kg, which made it 117 of them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 22 January, 2014, 08:40:53 pm
I'm getting more fed up than ever.

So I've already given up the bread pasta pizza potatoes (insert all other foods I love here)

The one very carby thing left is that I do have a big bowl of porridge with Banana and protein powder for breakfast. I'm so reluctant to give this up as I absolutely love it- I ride in the mornings really looming forward to the reward of the porridge!

Plus I'm slightly worried about this loss of top end speed people are mentioning with low carb things. I need my top end speed.

I thought I might try seeing how low carb I could go for the rest of the day but keeping the porridge in? Or does that defeat the point? Plus I'm quite lazy and uninspired- I need some lunch/dinner ideas. I don't really want them to be very fatty though.....plus I hate cream
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 22 January, 2014, 08:55:23 pm
Porridge is good for you. Don't listen to anything contrary to it.

Consistently the only cereal that keeps hunger locked up til lunch for me.

50% of people regularly eat porridge for breakfast.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/features/oat-cuisine-half-of-us-now-start-the-day-with-a-bowl-of-porridge-8872541.html
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 22 January, 2014, 08:58:09 pm
It doesn't keep hunger locked up till lunch for me- I eat a large bowl at 9 and by 11 I'm properly hungry, 10.30 some days....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 22 January, 2014, 09:39:36 pm
Porridge is good stuff. Low GI, high in soluble fibre, not too much insoluble fibre, so doesn't damage the gut lining (important if you're a believer in "leaky gut syndrome"), and it's yummy.

If you're intending to follow a strict LCHF diet, then all grains should probably be avoided, including oats. LC - it certainly sounds like you're aiming for a LCHF diet. Is the intention to induce ketosis? If so, I reckon oats will break it. If your intention is just to remove refined carbs, then oats are probably OK to keep - and you'll probably offset any insulin release through exercise anyway.

What is it you're trying to achieve? If you want the effects of LCHF but want to retain high-end performance, how about a CKD diet? That way, you keep glycogen high when you need your top performance, and can be LC the rest of the time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 22 January, 2014, 09:44:37 pm
I'm under advice to avoid ketosis....

I don't want LCHF, just LC really, anything that might help me to just get some of this fat off that is sat on my hips and arse.  Just the most frustrated person ever and want ideas as to WTF to do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 22 January, 2014, 10:06:02 pm
I'm under advice to avoid ketosis....

I don't want LCHF, just LC really, anything that might help me to just get some of this fat off that is sat on my hips and arse.  Just the most frustrated person ever and want ideas as to WTF to do.

Well, therein lies the rub - you've got to get energy from somewhere - if you reduce carbs to a low enough level, you need the fat to provide energy. What you're talking about is starvation! If you need to avoid ketosis, then you need to keep enough carbs going; Oats are good, lots of above-ground veg, low-sugar fruit, even a small portion of white rice or potato - every once in a while. Lentils, couscous, stuff like that?

Removing the refined carbs will go a long way to helping, I'm sure.

BTW: How can you not like cream? I know I'm following an extreme fad diet that'll probably kill me, but hey - at least you get to eat as much cream as you like. And butter. And cheese! Well - the whole damn dairy fleet, TBF.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 22 January, 2014, 10:17:22 pm
But I don't eat any of the refined stuff already :( A very occasional little bit of chocolate/frozen yoghurt.

I hate milk and cream! Bleurgh. Can only handle butter spread really thinly too. Ice cream however is different ;) and cheese....love cheese.

Basically, can you tell?! I've run out of ideas. It just looks like starvation is the only way. And I dunno if I'm prepared to do that. Having had a past ED, going anywhere near that is probably a bad idea.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 January, 2014, 07:58:45 am
Breakfast.

Ingredients.

125g Self raising flour.
125g Wheatbran.
30g Powdered ginger.
30g Granulated sugar.
5g ‘Hot’ chilli powder.
125g unsalted butter.
110ml ( large bottle ) Syrup of figs.
10 – 15 ml water.

Mix together until a paste.

Put in rectangular baking tray. Score top surface to make 12 portions.
Bake at 170 deg C for 30 mins.

When cool, separate into 12 portions.

Offer around a beginning of randonneur.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 January, 2014, 09:32:35 am
My usual routine of gaining weight over winter, then getting ill and losing it is working nicely. Flu has become a chest infection. Prescribed a load of steroids and antibiotics as usual. Weight falling off me, as usual.

Have had a CT scan on my lungs, which might shed some light on why I'm getting ~3 chest infections a year. GP is saying if it doesn't, then they'll need to think about upping my steroid dose some more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 23 January, 2014, 09:55:44 am
The nice thing about alternate day fasting is the lack of guilt. Yesterday I ate nothing but sweets and nachos and guacamole. Did the diet absolutely no good at all, but was so worth it. Today, back to eating not much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 23 January, 2014, 10:06:31 am
Offer around a beginning of randonneur.

...along with a few sheets of Andrex for later. ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 23 January, 2014, 10:14:48 am
Trousers starting to feel looser around the waist, might need to bring a belt in to work soon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 23 January, 2014, 11:30:43 am
The thing is with breakfast cerials is that I tend to serve out far to much into my bowl.Being the type of person who can't be bothered to weigh food,I have started to use those small boxes you tend to get in hotels,hospitals ect.They come in at 35g which is about right.If I am going for a long ride I eat whatever I like.

I am allways ready for lunch about 11am'
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 January, 2014, 12:20:43 pm
I have just started to weigh my breakfast cereal, which I have never done before. My previous policy was to fill a bowl up as much as possible and eat it. I'm still eating more than the named portion amount but I am losing weight. I'll keep this up for the time being.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 January, 2014, 02:12:47 pm
My Breakfast recipe is 200 kCals per portion.

The syrup of figs content of each portion is only 1/3 of an Adult's dose. No effect. Tastes nice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 23 January, 2014, 05:09:44 pm
Instead of weighing dry stuff you can use measuring cups, as you might do for porage oats for istance.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 January, 2014, 10:07:57 pm
One heaped tablespoon (my tablespoon YSMV) of Sainsbury's Scottish Porridge Oats weighs 10 grams. I have 2 spoons (raw) every morning. I put three spoons in David's porridge.
I don't use measuring cups but spoons are good for oats.
David has special scoops for his Magic Potion Powders.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 January, 2014, 11:56:14 pm
WOLAS (West of London Astronomical Society) has its Annual Meal this coming Monday. I'm looking at the nutritional information on the menu at the venue.
It states there are 3394kcal in their 6oz gammon steak with pineapple. Even with all the trimmings, I find it a little difficult to believe...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 24 January, 2014, 07:05:32 am
WOLAS (West of London Astronomical Society) has its Annual Meal this coming Monday. I'm looking at the nutritional information on the menu at the venue.
It states there are 3394kcal in their 6oz gammon steak with pineapple. Even with all the trimmings, I find it a little difficult to believe...

That sounds astronomical.

Typo I suspect. Too may '3's.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 24 January, 2014, 10:12:44 am
Over the last twenty or so years, I’ve tried to keep a watchful eye on my intake and exercise.

From my observations, my calorific intake and expenditure doesn’t balance with the bodyfat I lose or gain.
There must be something chemical going on dependent on my food combinations.

To lose quickly ( up to 2lb per week, 1.25% bodyfat ), I eat my bran and fig biscuits, with any amount of eggs, plain rice, plain pasta, baked potatoes and lean meat.
If I swap out 500 kCals from this list for a bar of chocolate, I do not lose.

If I eat products ( like cake, chocolate or sweets ) with refined carbs, I HAVE TO do the extra exercise to burn off a theoretic double the calorific values.

Now please some diet expert, explain this.

And IF an expert wants to supply an answer, I'm NOT paying money for it  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 January, 2014, 02:04:22 pm
WOLAS (West of London Astronomical Society) has its Annual Meal this coming Monday. I'm looking at the nutritional information on the menu at the venue.
It states there are 3394kcal in their 6oz gammon steak with pineapple. Even with all the trimmings, I find it a little difficult to believe...

That sounds astronomical.

Typo I suspect. Too may '3's.

Possibly too many 3s but some other dishes also seem implausibly calorific on the pdf I downloaded. The 16oz gammon steak with fried egg is stated to be 3112.9 kcal (love the spurious precision!) which still seems a lot, even for a HYOOGE steak.

Think I'll choose 'sensibly' and ignore the misinformation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 January, 2014, 02:18:01 pm
A 16oz steak is about 600 calories or thereabouts.

You have to be going some to fit 3000 calories on a plate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 24 January, 2014, 02:24:01 pm
Oats are full of win - I eat ~100g of oatbran a day 3 servings of my slop (30g of Mornflake oatbran soaked  in 200ml of soya, then when the oatbran has expanded, poured over a chopped apple and toasted ~5g of Mornflake toasted oatbran).

See http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1541-4337.2012.00189.x/full for an overview.

Abstract

This article presents an overview of the recent advances into the health promoting potentials of oat β-glucan. Oat β-glucan (OβG) consists mainly of the linear polysaccharide (1→3), (1→4)-β-D-glucan and is often called β-glucan. This soluble oat fiber is able to attenuate blood postprandial glycemic and insulinemic responses, to lower blood total cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, and to improve high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol and blood lipid profiles as well as to maintain body weight. Thus, OβG intake is beneficial in the prevention, treatment, and control of diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. In addition, OβG can stimulate immune functions by activating monocytes/macrophages and increasing the amounts of immunoglobulin, NK cells, killer T-cells, and so on, which will improve resistance to cancer and infectious and parasitic diseases, as well as increase biological therapies and their prevention. All these health benefits of OβG may be explained by its physicochemical properties (such as viscosity, molecular weight) which can be affected by extraction methods and its behavior in gastrointestinal tract. Articles documenting these health benefits and effects are reviewed.

For what it's worth, I think a colleague just got a grant to run a keto-diet trial funded. I'll be interested to see his protocol.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 24 January, 2014, 02:31:00 pm
For what it's worth, I think a colleague just got a grant to run a keto-diet trial funded. I'll be interested to see his protocol.
Cool! Does he want guinea pigs?

(All that oat stuff may be true, but I still view it as little better than wallpaper paste. Ugh.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 January, 2014, 02:32:57 pm
A 16oz steak is about 600 calories or thereabouts.

You have to be going some to fit 3000 calories on a plate.

Indeed. I think the 6oz steak in the nutritional info was a typo as there is no such option on the menu.

The stated values include all the trimmings as served (though I don't see how pineapple rings can exceed the calorie count of fried eggs.)
Place looks very greasy spoonish with almost no fruit & veg options aside from the side salad. I found nothing I fancied on the dessert menu so I'll give it a miss cos I don't eat food I don't like.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 24 January, 2014, 03:37:07 pm
You have to be going some to fit 3000 calories on a plate.

Indeed, just go to certain diners in the US.

I've seen (but never eaten) a "burger" that was made up as:-

The "burger" was a large steak that was battered and deep fried.
The "buns" were chicken breast that was, you guessed it, battered and fried.

Onion rings (battered and fried) were optional.

Of course it was made into a healthy meal by including lettuce/tomato and a 40oz vat of Diet Coke.

Of course, this is small fry (no pun intended) compared to some of the stuff seen on Man vs Food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 24 January, 2014, 06:41:11 pm
A 16oz steak is about 600 calories or thereabouts.

You have to be going some to fit 3000 calories on a plate.

334 g of Walrus blubber.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 January, 2014, 07:50:44 pm
A 16oz steak is about 600 calories or thereabouts.

You have to be going some to fit 3000 calories on a plate.

334 g of Walrus blubber.

 :sick:

The menu is pretty uninspiring AMOF. It's so different from my usual foods that I'll have the prawn cocktail, chance the chicken Tikka Massala and skip the pud. I usually enjoy a good feed and don't let my desire to lose weight stop me having a nice meal.

Strikes me it's not a nice meal...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 January, 2014, 09:40:37 pm
Burns Night tomorrow. Will be over I reckon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 January, 2014, 10:04:42 pm
Haggis is around 280 kcal/100g. Fat-free tatties & neeps are possible (if DULL). Neeps are fairly low-cal anyway.
We have finished eating our haggis.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 January, 2014, 10:52:43 pm
We're going out and it'll be a four course meal. But a bike ride tomorrow and gym Sunday may be enough to compensate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 25 January, 2014, 07:14:46 am
Lost 2.6lbs this week. Result. 6 to go!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on 25 January, 2014, 07:30:08 am
11st 13lob this morning, which is the lightest for 10 years and almost back to my early 20s racing weight of 11st 10lb.  I've also been doing press-ups and weights (have defined arm muscles for the first time ever) so the loss around my waist is far more than expected.  My 34" trousers now have folds in them at the back and I need to buy 32" again, if they will fit over my cyclist's thighs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 25 January, 2014, 08:47:10 am
Antibiotics seem to be working, managing to stay hydrated. Looks like two weeks of flu / chest infection resulted in >3.5kg weight loss. Wonder whether my power to weight has gone up or down in the last two weeks. Think of the performance benefit I could have had from the winter vomiting bug that I stupidly avoided.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 25 January, 2014, 09:12:34 am
Up 1.5 pounds. 

I'm not surprised, real life has been torrid since New Year so I'm not really focused on loosing weight.  I have come to understand that loosing weight is a serious business and if your mind isn't on the job you might as well not bother.

No bother, I will get real life sorted and then re-focus.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 January, 2014, 12:21:44 pm

Now please some diet expert, explain this.

I'm not an expert but this has been much discussed in this thread...

AIUI, the calorific content of different foods may well be the same, but the body won't process those different foods in the same way - some foods are processed more efficiently than others.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 25 January, 2014, 02:26:50 pm

Now please some diet expert, explain this.

I'm not an expert but this has been much discussed in this thread...

AIUI, the calorific content of different foods may well be the same, but the body won't process those different foods in the same way - some foods are processed more efficiently than others.

+1

When on a reducing diet, EVERY last kCal of pure CHO ( refined sugars ) is grabbed and stored for the future JIC. Meat calories and fat is used first when physical exertion is low. Fibre and roughage passes through undetected.

We are an animal remember, and in the old days, it was not guaranteed the next meal would be tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 January, 2014, 05:40:03 pm
Nearly two hours on the tandem yesterday, walked the dog and cycled to the gym today, Burns Night has been burned off.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 28 January, 2014, 11:26:41 am
Weighed in at hospital for the op yesterday at 78kg so continuing to loose weight at 0.5kg per week, which has been steady since Christmas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 28 January, 2014, 12:31:17 pm
The thing is with breakfast cerials is that I tend to serve out far to much into my bowl.Being the type of person who can't be bothered to weigh food,I have started to use those small boxes you tend to get in hotels,hospitals ect.They come in at 35g which is about right.If I am going for a long ride I eat whatever I like.

Portion sizes are a funny business. No way could I last until lunchtime on the standard 35g cereal portion size. But when I do have cereal for breakfast, I weigh it out - calorie-counting mostly works for me, so the actual size of the portion isn't as important as knowing what my portion size is.

So I have 100g of Jordan's muesli (~350kcal, according to the packet) with about 200ml apple juice (~100kcal). I find that just about enough to keep the hunger levels manageable until lunchtime.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 January, 2014, 12:41:07 pm
This morning was:

60g muesli, 120g yoghurt, one banana, a passion fruit, 150ml s/s milk.

Plus a home made cappuccino with two lumps of sugar.

Total calories 654 of which 463 from carbs, 153 from fat, 121 from protein.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 28 January, 2014, 12:56:16 pm
Struggling to get the miles in on my fixed - too hilly around here for my longer commutes to be viable even running 63". Hit 180bpm going up the Chevin on fixed this morning, which isn't something I want to be doing every day. Going to start running again to burn some extra calories whilst the weather is grotty. Did 5km around the park at work before showering this morning. Felt lovely. First run since July.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 January, 2014, 01:09:44 pm
Portion sizes are a funny business. No way could I last until lunchtime on the standard 35g cereal portion size.
Heh. My average day:
Wake 5:30, ride 8k to station, sit on train for 20 minutes, ride 1k to gym, row 2k, 20 minutes weights. Ride 1k to work.
Work (very sedentary) till noon.
Then start eating.
I don't even drink caffeinated coffee- just cream and brown flavouring, and that's after I get to work.

Fat as fuel. I've plenty to last till lunch.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 28 January, 2014, 01:14:56 pm
Same here. Most days I have nothing to eat before lunch. Only liquid is decaf (black). Never really been a breakfast person.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 28 January, 2014, 01:31:15 pm
Right, ok, go on then.....

I *am* a breakfast eater. I have tried not to eat it a few times, and have a 100% faint rate when doing it even though in theory I have MORE than enough fat to last till lunch.

So my days look generally like this:

Get up 4.45am, coffee
Some sort of ride- might be a couple of hours on the road, sometimes 90 mins on an easy day. Or maybe an interval session on turbo/spin bike for 60-80 mins. The outside rides hover around 70% HR, the interval sessions get up to around 95+% HR max. Sometimes a run also goes in here.

Breakfast is around 9-9.30.Trough of porridge with a banana, half scoop protein powder (mince pie flavour at mo mmmm) and linseeds. Sometimes go wild and throw raisins in as well, another coffee

11ish, decaff coffee and piece fruit or half a 9bar or something like that. Sometimes that 100 calorie popcorn stuff if I'm feeling rebellious

1pm ish 45 min weights session (I do 3 of these a week)

2pm lunch. Either a high protein meal replacement shake, cottage cheese salad, soup, something like that. On a rare occasion I treat myself to toast (ooooooo controversial)

3pm I'm still hungry but trying to ignore it so have a pepsi max instead (this stuff is like crack to me. I'm tempted to give it up but it fills me up for no calories so therein lies the reluctance even though I knowwwww its awful)

4-5pm piece of fruit with a yoghurt, the other half a 9bar, sometimes maybe a protein bar, some sort of snack thing anyway. And a coffee. (These are either/ors, not all of them!!!)

6-7pm in theory (hahahahahahahha)- ride after work for at least an hour. I'm never, however, out the office at 6-7, so it happens when it happens.

Dinner- maybe a chicken breast/fish/veggie substitute/chilli with veg, or whatever the rest of the family have had without the carb bit which I swap for vegetables. Or that fake 'eat water' pasta sh*t that has no calories but you try to kid yourself with. Sometimes I'm also totally extravagant and will have an occasional couple of squares chocolate, or some other treat item.

At the weekends, I generally ride 3 hours 70% on a Saturday, and 3 hours ridiculously hard with the fast club run on a Sunday. The Sat ride will shortly swap to TTs instead.

I'm still Too Fat. What would you do differently? For health reasons I can't do this ketosis stuff, and also I want to be able to keep the top end speed for intervals/tempo twice a week plus the club ride, so basically all week round.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 28 January, 2014, 01:46:10 pm
I could add a lot of geekery to this current discussion - I'm monitoring a great deal at the moment (including blood testing); interesting to me while ICBA.

Suffice to say a typical day: 16/8 daily fasting, macros roughly Carbs: <50g a day, Protein: 1.5g/Kg LBM so generally about 100g a day, the rest - is fat; to satiety.
Ketosis? Yes - LC, don't do this diet :). Activity: Cycling, rowing, 3x weights sessions a week, occasional audax.
I'm still chained to a desk 8 hours a day - and still count as "sedentary".

I was always a breakfasty person. When I first played with a keto diet, I found breakfast a bit samey as I can't eat eggs, so it was berries and cream or German breakfasts. Not having breakfast is a brilliant solution! Hunger is almost never an issue - even when we do the first 100km of an audax, fasted. But a high fat diet will do that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 January, 2014, 01:51:09 pm
What would you do differently?
Less.
8 hours sleep every night.
No long rides before work- either half an hour max effort no more than 2x a week or an hour at a HR so slow you could be walking. Running is for fun for you, but are you doing it slowly enough?
Skip the pepsi max- you know it's shite. Fizzy water?

There's nothing wrong with what you're eating, you're not fat enough to 'need' to do low carb diets. You're overstressing your body with never really resting. Have you tried yoga?

I'm losing weight by not eating carbs because I've got a metric fuckton to lose. You haven't, so it's bound to be harder.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 January, 2014, 01:57:17 pm
I usually go without breakfast. I tried the above breakfast then cycling to work. Nearly threw up on Red Hill.

I am feeling slightly hungry after a small lunch to compensate for large breakfast today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 28 January, 2014, 01:57:40 pm
I'm being coached for TTs fboab...... I'm following that schedule. It's working really well other than the weight issue (both physically and mentally) so I want to stick to it. There is rest put into it- there are some evenings off- there are some days where it's just one 90 min ride, then there are harder days......

I totally accept the pepsi max comment, and you're right fizzy water probably is the answer.

Yoga? Well, err, I have done in the past, but I don't have time to fit a class in, and I'd never really do it at home, back in the day I used to teach pilates. My way of 'relaxing' is just to read. I never really got into yoga.

I appreciate I'm not going to be the oversized person on supersize v superskinny, but I need to lose at least half a stone, and a whole one would be more ideal. I can't lose *any* which is what's driving me mental. There's plenty there to lose, if I lost 2 stone I wouldn't be too thin. Well, maybe a bit. But certainly 1.5 stone would be fine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 28 January, 2014, 02:00:36 pm
I am feeling slightly hungry after a small lunch to compensate for large breakfast today.

Yes - this is one of the main arguments put forward by advocaats advocates of 16/8 eating patterns; breakfast makes you hungrier for the rest of the day - especially if it's carby and kicks off a blood-sugar surge/crash cycle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 January, 2014, 02:09:23 pm
I could've had a much larger lunch if I'd not had a custard donut for elevenses.

(Well I could hardly bring unhealthy goodies into the office on my birthday then abstain myself!).

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 28 January, 2014, 02:11:45 pm
Totally a breakfast person. I can do fasted exercise, but only if I get up and go straight out. My breakfast makes me feel full, but within 20min of eating it, I'm fine exercising.

6.5hrs sleep
2 pints of tea with soya milk
Chopped apple / 30g oatbran / 200ml soya milk
Ride 20km with ~250m of ascent
Sit on my arse
Drink 1l of fizzy water
Espresso
Eat a packet of spicy cous cous and an apple or two
Drink 1l of fizzy water
Espresso
Ride 20km with ~250mk of ascent
Eat a 6-800kcal meal, usually with salad.
Chopped apple / 30g oatbran / 200ml soya milk
2 pints of tea with soya milk

If I snack, it'll be a couple of slices of Vogel bread (oat and something or soya and linseed) with marmite around 9pm. The apple and oatbran gloop is plenty to keep me going until lunch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 28 January, 2014, 02:24:27 pm
breakfast makes you hungrier for the rest of the day - especially if it's carby and kicks off a blood-sugar surge/crash cycle.

Interesting.

The breakdown of my muesli + apple juice is 93g carbs, 2g fat, 9g protein. But I more typically have two poached eggs on granary toast with butter and marmite, which works out at 37g carbs, 18g fat, 23g protein - a huge difference, even though the overall calorie count is roughly the same. And I do find the eggs do a much better job of keeping me going until lunch. In light of your comments, that breakdown might explain why.

If I'm doing the longer ride to work, I save breakfast until after the ride, sometimes not until I get to work at 9.30-10am, otherwise I have it first thing when I wake up, usually by 7am at the latest.

On Saturdays, the ritual is a substantial cooked breakfast/brunch at around 11.30am, after parkrun, and then nothing until teatime.

Today was muesli for breakfast with a cup of tea, short ride to the station, one cup of coffee at work, 8km lunchtime run, and now I'm about to have my lunch of leftover spag bol (585kcal, 85g carbs, 13g fat, 33g protein). I try to delay lunch as late as possible as my next meal will be when I get home at about 8pm and I want to avoid the temptation to snack between lunch and dinner.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 28 January, 2014, 02:37:27 pm
I have to avoid breakfast, but it's ok as I'm rarely hungry in the morning. The times I put on weight last year, were when I was on holiday and it was buffet breakfast in hotels. If I've paid for a breakfast breakfast, I'm going to abuse the hell out of it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 28 January, 2014, 03:00:23 pm
I find it easier to eat a breakfast - around 6:30 some home-made muesli with plenty fruit and nuts, some shredded wheat (littlun's), a couple of dessertspoonsful of yogurt and some semi skimmed milk. (can manage skimmed except on tea/coffee). Cup of tea, no sugar.

That means I can make it to lunchtime (12:30) with no problems and maybe a couple of cups of tea. Lunch will then be a pint of ss milk with some protein powder (lemon meringue flavour!) and "instand oats" in a shake, plus a banana.

The evening meal is "normal", though with fewer carbs that before (I'm trying for modification not wholesale change, and I do like my baked potatoe with my salad).

Evening drinks sun-thurs will be fruit juices diluted with fizzy water or plain water.  No alcohol.

Fri/sat evenings - well that's my cheese and biscuit supper and a half bottle of wine "treat". A reduction of 1/2 to 1 bottles over my pre-christmas intake.   :o

I'm thinking though that I need to start eating off smaller plates - the oval plates we use aren't that big, but still leave a lot of empty space which my tendency is want to fill (I'm not doing so, but smaller plates would help) - which is opposite to me wifes feelings!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 January, 2014, 03:02:31 pm
I'm not feeling hungry any more having not eaten anything (but I have had a coffee with milk).

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 January, 2014, 09:31:22 am
I'm a bit disappointed that this morning's weight was the same as last week's. I'll just have to try again for another kg's loss for next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 29 January, 2014, 09:39:53 am
How in the name of all that's holy to anyone can I have spent a week throwing my guts up and barely eating a thing, and yet only lost 100g? :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 29 January, 2014, 09:50:24 am
Clarion, the same happens to me. Regularly. Sometimes I don't even lose the 100g. Sucks.

The porridge has done nothing this morning. Still starving. *sigh*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 29 January, 2014, 10:04:32 am
Audaxing makes me gain weight. I don't eat more riding than sitting at home, I don't get 'THE HUNGER' afterwards any more, but I still gain weight, in that: if I ride 200k at the weekend, by the Wednesday weigh in, the metabolic gunk is still hanging around (at least I assume that's what it is).

So, up to 80.9 this morning from a dehydrated low of 78.9 on Sunday. I had this last year, too, I 'use' the calories at the weekend, but the mid week weigh ins are higher. Thanks to Greater Anglia I only had 1 weights session last week, that can't help.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 29 January, 2014, 10:06:29 am
Best news for me this week is that my waist is down by 2cm.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 29 January, 2014, 10:06:39 am
I get the same- it normally takes till Thurs/Fri for my weight to go back to normal after a long run/ride at the weekend..... most of my running friends say the same about marathons.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 29 January, 2014, 10:07:39 am
Citoyen, I've seen the pics, you have nothing to worry about anyway ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 29 January, 2014, 10:28:23 am
For every cm of waistline lost on Citoyen his pic in That Calendar gains a cm around the middle. But unlike Dorian's, this will be visible in thousands of kitchens across middle England.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 January, 2014, 10:31:04 am
Best news for me this week is that my waist is down by 2cm.  :thumbsup:

The only true measurement.

How does it compare with your thighs?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 29 January, 2014, 10:31:25 am
Citoyen, I've seen the pics, you have nothing to worry about anyway ;)

It's amazing what can be achieved with careful lighting and a bit of judicious Photoshopping. ;)

I know that compared to the weight/waistline problems experienced by many contributors to this thread, I have absolutely nothing to worry about. However, I had got to the point a year or so ago where I was fitting into 30in trousers, and now I've slipped back to comfortably filling a 32. Getting under 30 again is the target.

For every cm of waistline lost on Citoyen his pic in That Calendar gains a cm around the middle. But unlike Dorian's, this will be visible in thousands of kitchens across middle England.

 ;D

Thousands is a bit optimistic.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 29 January, 2014, 10:33:35 am
How does it compare with your thighs?

Good question. I've not been measuring my thighs. Maybe I should. Neck measurement is constant, but I don't think I have much to lose there anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 29 January, 2014, 10:51:25 am
I'm afraid I do measure my thighs. But mostly because that's where I carry a lot of my excess. That, and smaller thighs would get me in smaller trousers, it's a long time since trousers fitted me around the waist, they're way (and sometimes way way way) too big round the waist if they fit my thighs.
Surely all cyclists get that, to a greater or lesser extent?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 29 January, 2014, 11:00:01 am
Yep. Jeans are impossible. The thought of wearing skinny jeans makes me spit out my coffee.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 29 January, 2014, 11:03:42 am
My old clothes drawer is full of trousers that have worn through around the inner thigh area. Even my expensive cycling-specific Swrve jeans with the supposedly reinforced gusset went in the same area.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 January, 2014, 12:42:15 pm
Best news for me this week is that my waist is down by 2cm.  :thumbsup:

The only true measurement.

How does it compare with your thighs?

My waist varies by up to 3cm depending on the state of my digestion.
I think my hip measurement is the true indication.

Neither has changed much of late. The 'smaller' clothing may be easing in fit, though I could be deluded.

My Calorie intake is lowish and I'm only eating a little junk.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 29 January, 2014, 02:19:47 pm
Back up to 74.6kg this morning.

Could possibly be the effect of riding a 200k DIY yesterday, with associated carbohydrate intake (though no cake). Had to skip a scheduled fasting day too: fasting the day before a ride doesn't work for me.

Will try to stick to the fasting regime this week and see if I can lose that extra. However there appear to be worrying signs I am oscillating around a post-Festivus 'normalised' weight of approximately 74kg. Maybe it will take a while longer thatn I thought to burn off all those mince pies, roast tatties, etc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 29 January, 2014, 02:43:10 pm
I've found that getting back into fasting, I have to kick off with the 2 day fast to get things going again. I'm on alternate day, and also cutting back on carbs.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/12205970283_fa5385cab6.jpg) (http://flic.kr/p/jAAMHv)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 29 January, 2014, 03:01:23 pm
Interesting. I may need to do something more radical than the current 5:2 fasting (though it might help if I actually stuck to that programme for a while).

Back in summer 2012, I was 86kg. I gave up booze in September of that year and weight just fell off until it plateaued at around 79kg. Then I tried 5:2 fasting and lost around 6kg, but again plateaued around 72/73kg.

Whether the limit is this 5:2 method or my own willpower is debatable: I suspect the latter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 January, 2014, 03:23:53 pm
I've found that getting back into fasting, I have to kick off with the 2 day fast to get things going again. I'm on alternate day, and also cutting back on carbs.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/12205970283_fa5385cab6.jpg) (http://flic.kr/p/jAAMHv)

Plot your progress performance as a fourth order polynomial.
If it deflects up at an extrapolated point in the future, that indicates the lightest your regime will ever get you.
From your very first data point, calculate a ‘Target glidepath’ based on 1% per week. The line will be a curve.
Your ‘Ideal’ weight will be your present weight less the weight of your surplus fat over and above your ‘Ideal’ fat%.
‘Ideal’ fat% can be found on the US Navy recruit information website ( it used to be ).

This means that your ‘Ideal’ weight is independent of muscle mass. For example, It’s your physique with the ‘lean to A1’ fat % on it. About 14 – 17 % for a 20 yr old man.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JennyB on 29 January, 2014, 06:27:24 pm
Up a bit this week (95.6 from 95.2kg) mainly due to feeding a cold. Went for a 100k ride and after that my weight was 94.4, but that's probably just because I wasn't drinking enough.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 29 January, 2014, 09:42:06 pm
Up a bit as well, due to too many awaydays and no control over meals. Starting on a good note today though, mug of soupy stew and a roll at lunchtime and then soup again for tea. Travelling until weekend so food temptation awaits.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 30 January, 2014, 12:19:46 am
I'm down from when I started, only 1.6 kg but still down, but have gone up a bit this week. No Cycling, Little walking and too much eating BAD!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 30 January, 2014, 09:37:23 am
No weight loss for me this week.... a take away on Sunday night and a business trip along with little or no exercise this week saw to that!

Will do better next week....honest.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 30 January, 2014, 12:30:10 pm

Plot your progress performance as a fourth order polynomial.
If it deflects up at an extrapolated point in the future, that indicates the lightest your regime will ever get you.
From your very first data point, calculate a ‘Target glidepath’ based on 1% per week. The line will be a curve.
Your ‘Ideal’ weight will be your present weight less the weight of your surplus fat over and above your ‘Ideal’ fat%.
‘Ideal’ fat% can be found on the US Navy recruit information website ( it used to be ).

This means that your ‘Ideal’ weight is independent of muscle mass. For example, It’s your physique with the ‘lean to A1’ fat % on it. About 14 – 17 % for a 20 yr old man.


Eh? I looked up your maths terminology and obtained a haunting reminder of school mathematics which I presumably failed to understand properly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartic_function (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartic_function)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 31 January, 2014, 09:01:45 am
Oh No!  This is the first month for six that I am heavier on the last day than the first.  02/01/14 79.2, 31/01/14 80.1
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 31 January, 2014, 09:28:34 am
0.8 kg UP this week.

Two Tanita Bioimpedence. One bathroom scales ( at home ) and one handleld ( at work's medical dept ); and skinfolds show 0.5% DOWN.

Happy bunny.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 31 January, 2014, 09:44:33 am
4kg lost since Jan 1st. Dry Jan, virtually!! no snacking,  smaller portions (& plates) and despite (sadly) limited cycling...  :{)>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 31 January, 2014, 11:32:35 am
No alcohol for 4 and a half weeks, more exercise than normal, no significant changes to diet, total lost just over 1kg. Sigh.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 31 January, 2014, 12:46:49 pm
No alcohol for 4 and a half weeks, more exercise than normal, no significant changes to diet, total lost just over 1kg. Sigh.

That's roughly what happened with me in November.  Frustrating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 05 February, 2014, 08:25:45 am
I've lost 7cm off my waist. Surely that's wrong. Hell, that means I'm only 6cm too short!

(Mr Gym Boss who was there when I pronounced this joy thought that was hysterically funny).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 February, 2014, 08:29:09 am
I've lost 7cm off my waist. Surely that's wrong. Hell, that means I'm only 6cm too short!

(Mr Gym Boss who was there when I pronounced this joy thought that was hysterically funny).

I can believe it - 5cm gone from me too (Waist - WAIST!!).

We're disappearing babe. Before our very eyes babe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 05 February, 2014, 08:30:18 am
I've lost 7cm off my waist. Surely that's wrong. Hell, that means I'm only 6cm too short!

(Mr Gym Boss who was there when I pronounced this joy thought that was hysterically funny).


Are you losing the ambition to get taller? I'm not. In fact, I'm going to insist on my right to be the correct height for the weight I am - save all this exercise and diet crap. All I'm asking for is around a foot. Surely they can spare that?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 05 February, 2014, 08:40:12 am
I think you're right Tim. I'm actually a 6'6" man, trapped in a short woman's body. If only I could sort the height out, I'd be a faster rower (all that leverage), runner AND a better cyclist. Taller men are almost always faster.

(Sorry Chris. Things may change. We'll need a new tandem, for a start.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 February, 2014, 09:00:36 am
I've only ever wanted to be two inches taller. Not much to ask, is it?

No meaningful changes to any of my measurements this week. (That special cream I got off the internet was clearly a waste of money.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 05 February, 2014, 09:11:43 am
I should probably sort out a tape measure. I know clothes are less tight, but when I last tried using a tape measure, I got depressed by the fact that even though my jeans said 32, it was just flattery by the clothing manufacturers. I think the only place they don't lie is collar size.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 05 February, 2014, 09:53:02 am
No change to my weight, and I have gained 4cm on my waist.

Not good. I must confess I've been slack on fasting, only managing 6:1. The waistline is not a welcome development however. I put it down to a relative lack of exercise over the past week.

Must try harder!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 February, 2014, 09:54:32 am
No change to my weight, and I have gained 4cm on my waist.

As helly said upthread, waistlines can fluctuate significantly. I'd wait until I had several more data points before worrying it was a trend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 February, 2014, 09:56:57 am
(Sorry Chris. Things may change. We'll need a new tandem, for a start.)

Does that mean you get to drive? And I can doze off, listen to disco, and make rude comments about other riders and motorists be your POWAH?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 05 February, 2014, 09:57:31 am
It's the February plateau innit? No more Christmas pud to exorcise; weather not good enough for extended outdoor activity. If I can leave this month with the same weight as I entered it, that would be a success.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 05 February, 2014, 10:09:21 am
I've been on a bike this week, though I have also been eating a bit more (read: some food) and not throwing up so much.

The weight is going in the right direction, though.  I feared I might plateau inexplicably at 103kg, as I did last time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 February, 2014, 11:52:05 am
116kg today. Waist measurement down a little. Still maintaining my motivation. It would be nice to be able to get out for a decent ride though. Getting rid of this lousy sore throat would help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 05 February, 2014, 12:29:39 pm
Back to 19st for the first time this year :)

I'm also starting to feel less hungry in general (or getting more used to being hungry) so it feels a bit easier than it did a couple weeks ago.

Still a very long way to go though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 05 February, 2014, 12:46:46 pm
I got a leather belt. On the inside, I wrote "32" at the hole that was 32 inches from the buckle. Likewise "33" at the hole 33 inches and "31" at the hole 31 inches from the buckle.

When I start needing the 32 hole, I cut down on food, and try to get some 100 km rides after work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 05 February, 2014, 01:04:09 pm
A good read is that of Dave Willoughby.
If your search engine has problems, here is the link.

http://ditillo2.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/is-your-waist-properly-proportioned.html
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 February, 2014, 01:21:58 pm
No change to my weight, and I have gained 4cm on my waist.

As helly said upthread, waistlines can fluctuate significantly. I'd wait until I had several more data points before worrying it was a trend.

Quite.
A big meal, a lot of gas or three days without a dump can add 4cm to my waistline...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 February, 2014, 01:25:20 pm
I got a leather belt. On the inside, I wrote "32" at the hole that was 32 inches from the buckle. Likewise "33" at the hole 33 inches and "31" at the hole 31 inches from the buckle.

When I start needing the 32 hole, I cut down on food, and try to get some 100 km rides after work.

A measuring belt seems like a good idea. 32" round the trousers is probably 30" on the naked skin, I should guess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 05 February, 2014, 02:17:27 pm
That reminds me of an uncertainty I have with taking a waist measurement. My belt tends to be a little tight around my waist in order to hold my trousers up, displacing any flab up and over. So if I take a measurement, 'belt circumference' is probably 2-3cm narrower than a relaxed circumference with no pinching. Likewise, back posture probably accounts for 1-2cm variation. I realise, for comparison over time, consistency is the key, but which measurements are people using?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 February, 2014, 02:21:00 pm
I use my belly button as a guide - it doesn't move (at least I don't think so!). I'm fattest around that plane, so it's as good as anything - and makes it easier to be consistent.

Fat caliper use is the same - you use the hip-bone as a guide - and grab the fold about 2" above it. With practice, I think I've got more and more consistent.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 February, 2014, 04:10:39 pm
Racing Weight Cookbook arrived today. Some interesting recipes. I’m going to have to make the walnut and blueberry pancakes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 05 February, 2014, 04:44:21 pm
A good read is that of Dave Willoughby.
If your search engine has problems, here is the link.

http://ditillo2.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/is-your-waist-properly-proportioned.html

So according to that my waist should be 31 inches. I think it was around that when I was 22.....any allowance for middle age?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 February, 2014, 05:37:07 pm
Apparently not!
My pin-thin partner is about 5'9" tall and weighs 60kg (132lb).
His waist measures 29".
He's nearly 50.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 06 February, 2014, 10:33:59 am
I've sat down, and plugged more data into my spreadsheet. If (and that's a big if) my body composition monitors are to be believed, I started the year with 22kg total fat, of that 13.3kg was sub cutaneous, and 8.8kg was visceral. After one month, total fat is down to 19.5kg, just over a 2kg loss and that's split into a 1.4kg of sub cutaneous fat loss, and 1.2kg of visceral fat loss, along with a 500g loss of muscle.

The body composition monitor just gives me percentage of type of fat and muscle, so I'm having to make quite a few assumptions with my maths.

Going to start doing some resistance work, ie push ups and kettle bell stuff, and monitor it again for the next month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 February, 2014, 11:35:40 pm
Tonight I made tomato, basil and pearl barley soup. As far as I can tell, it isn’t very calorific, but is very filling. Very nice too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 07 February, 2014, 12:17:40 am
over 1kg down in the last week! Had a slice of brie and a nice apple to celebrate. 126.5kg now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 07 February, 2014, 09:42:59 am
A good read is that of Dave Willoughby.
If your search engine has problems, here is the link.

http://ditillo2.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/is-your-waist-properly-proportioned.html

Did anyone have the guts to read this?

 ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 07 February, 2014, 07:20:35 pm
A good read is that of Dave Willoughby.
If your search engine has problems, here is the link.

http://ditillo2.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/is-your-waist-properly-proportioned.html

Did anyone have the guts to read this?

 ;D :thumbsup:






I have too many guts to read this (again):)

Lost 2.5kgs this week - 94.5 to 92. Now very hungry, but feeling better already.

I was spurred into action by a chance visit to the doctor and her blood pressure machine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 11 February, 2014, 10:24:45 am
Doing exercise has increased increased my appetite, so my desire was stronger than my willpower. Exercise seems to result in over compensation on intake. Must remember I am not a professional athlete, I'm someone who sits at a desk...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 11 February, 2014, 11:08:33 am
The weight reports page isn't opening properly at the moment.

If you add the extension ;wap2 to the end of your web address you can access the wap version which at least gets you in.

eg: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=78947.25;wap2
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 12 February, 2014, 08:13:08 am
Thanks for that tip, mcshroom. Done mine .
 Managed to reverse last weeks gain, despite a weekend in Edinburgh watching rugby. Lots of walking made up for the wrong type of food.
Mrs m is on the bandwagon now, so meals are becoming more salad orientated.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 February, 2014, 08:27:38 am
Injured, inactive, depressed. An unsurprising gain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oscar's dad on 12 February, 2014, 08:36:50 am
I have officially given up for the remainder of February.  Real life has been extremely vexing recently and I've not been in the mood.  I have found solace in inappropriate foods and drinks that make you go all dizzy.  Mercifully real life seems to be getting better so the immediate future looks a bit brighter.

The 27th sees me attaining another birthday and I plan to celebrate in style.  But once we are in March I will be back in the programme as those colonials say.  I am doing a 300 at the end of April, a 400 at the end of May then in mid-June have a week cycling in the Alps to look forward to so there are plenty of reasons to get fit and shed some lard.

Good luck to all of you still fighting the good fight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 12 February, 2014, 09:04:13 am
Hmm, yesterday was a fasting day and I managed to put on 400g during it ???

I'm guessing water
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 12 February, 2014, 09:17:02 am
A minor gain for me too, but there were a lot of changes last week. A weekend away, meant that I over indulged, and starting exercise again, meant that my appetite went up, and I probably over compensated.

Caught a documentary called my 600lb life, which features super fat people undergoing gastric reduction/bypass surgery etc. Saw one of the doctors there bollock one of his patients for carrying on drinking fizzy drinks after gastric reduction surgery, as the gases from the drink expand and stretch the belly. Decided to make a conscious effort to cut back on diet coke.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 February, 2014, 09:45:08 am
Down another kg. so far this month I have had no beer and reduced potions of food. The weather and a persistent sore throat have mostly kept me off the bike. I reckon I would have lost more weight if I had actually got some exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 February, 2014, 10:03:41 am
I reckon I would have lost more weight if I had actually got some exercise.
Probably not, tbh. You'd have built up an appetite riding, stopped for lunch, cake and a pleasant beer or two and had a much nicer time, but not have lost any more weight.
Waistlines are made in the kitchen, mostly. Low-level cardio exercise like cycling, unless your fitness level is very low, make almost no difference. If you planned to take up racing and trained hard (ie changing your exercise patterns dramatically), you might lose a bit of weight through exercise, but for most of us regular cyclists, not so much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 12 February, 2014, 10:05:21 am
Seem to be tracking at 0.75kg a week at the moment, but I think that the extra (I would have expected 0.5kg a week) is due to current lack of booze intake.

I'll still be happy with 0.5kg a week once I'm back on the booze (hopefully I won't go straight back to ~30 units a week!)

More running (e.g. Parkrun) starts when I'm down below 85kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 February, 2014, 10:13:12 am
Finally lost some weight this week, down to 75.3kg. My weight has been pretty consistent in the mornings. I find it much easier to meet the calorie deficit I need if I am getting exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 February, 2014, 10:15:45 am
I find it much easier to meet the calorie deficit I need if I am getting exercise.
I'm sure Wowbagger wont mind me saying that you probably exercise at a higher intensity than he does.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 February, 2014, 10:23:35 am
I find it much easier to meet the calorie deficit I need if I am getting exercise.
I'm sure Wowbagger wont mind me saying that you probably exercise at a higher intensity than he does.

Hah, I hadn’t read Wowbagger’s post too carefully. High intensity is overrated anyway, I made myself feel sick on the rowing machine last night (and got nowhere near my PB).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 12 February, 2014, 11:55:59 am
My weight is coming off at unprecedented levels, from a peak of over 74kg 10 months ago to a current weight of under 65kg. I am now about the same weight as I was as a 20 year old. This may have something to do with recent health issues, but what has certainly changed is that I am now doing longer, regular, but less intense daily exercise (2 x 1 hour walking/Boris Biking or 1 hour walking / 45 minutes swimming every day). I have found it easier to keep the food portions smaller than when previously doing hard weekend audaxing followed by the inevitable mid-week recovery munching.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 12 February, 2014, 03:22:37 pm
Waistlines are made in the kitchen, mostly.

Thanks fboab, that sums up this thread entirely.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: IanN on 12 February, 2014, 04:48:05 pm
Put on half a kilo. Bl**dy audax...

the inevitable mid-week recovery munching.
quite.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 12 February, 2014, 07:52:52 pm
having steadily lost 0.5kg/week since the start of the year I've put on a kilo this week. Church curry night on monday and work providing pizza for lunch yesterday get the blame.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 12 February, 2014, 10:26:03 pm
Managed to shift over a kg in the right direction this week. surprised at that as I have done No Exercise to speak of!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 13 February, 2014, 10:06:12 am
I'm stress eating a lot at the moment, which I wish I had the will power to stop, but I don't. This isn't resulting in any weight loss. Quite the opposite in fact.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 13 February, 2014, 10:21:19 am
I think I'm managing to gradually change some long held habits. Not snacking is becoming less of an effort and more normal.
Having an occasional treat feels much more of an actual treat and I can have a little chocolate or a single biscuit and feel 'treated' which really wasn't the case before. Still struggling with breakfast thou'...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 February, 2014, 10:43:56 am
My appetite has changed radically of late.  I used to like a decent breakfast, lighter lunch, and big evening meal.  But now I don't feel like breakfast at all (something I know I'm going to have to overcome when I get back to bike commuting), and don't particularly feel like eating more than, say, a cheese butty in the evening, though I try to cook something because we need to get vegetables into TGL (and keep Butterfly properly fed, too).  When I've eaten, I feel overfull and a bit crap, though.

So it's hard for me to regulate my food intake, because I can't rely on my 'standard' options any more.  Got to get to grips with it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 13 February, 2014, 12:00:35 pm
It is incredible how many of the weight chart graphs do a slow climb up to 1 Jan, and then dive  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 13 February, 2014, 02:46:21 pm
 Suppose you gain 4 lbs per year over winter  and don't then lose it in the following  spring /summer .
After 5 years of that you have gained 20lbs and thinking "where did all that come from?".
Then you try to lose it all in 3 months and it's hard work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 February, 2014, 03:38:25 pm
It is incredible how many of the weight chart graphs do a slow climb up to 1 Jan, and then dive  ;D

It is. I don't understand why that climb is so slow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 February, 2014, 04:55:54 pm
Initial weight gain or loss following a binge or fast is rapid as most of the weight is not fat.
Fat is very concentrated and shifts slowly in either direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 14 February, 2014, 07:56:53 am
Initial weight gain or loss following a binge or fast is rapid as most of the weight is not fat.
Fat is very concentrated and shifts slowly in either direction.

This is true.

After a great deal of practice, a reasonable measure of fat% can be got from a three point caliper test that can be self conducted.

Tricep ( the bingo wing ), Bicep and the suprailliac fold.

A Fat % difference is detectable two - three days after starve or feast.

For a 'normal' human, 0.5% fat is 0.25mm at the Tricep, abt 0.1mm at the bicep and 1mm at the Suprailliac fold.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 14 February, 2014, 08:08:16 am
Waistlines are made in the kitchen, mostly.

Thanks fboab, that sums up this thread entirely.  :thumbsup:

Mine was made in the bar at the Barley Mow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: BrianI on 14 February, 2014, 06:26:40 pm
Got a wee shock on my bodyfat analyser scales the other day - I'm 6'2", and apparently 180 lbs, and 51% body fat, 17% water...

 :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 February, 2014, 07:17:19 pm
Got a wee shock on my bodyfat analyser scales the other day - I'm 6'2", and apparently 180 lbs, and 51% body fat, 17% water...

 :o

Such scales are known to be inaccurate and your result would confirm this.
If you were 5'2" I might believe it...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: BrianI on 14 February, 2014, 09:09:26 pm
Got a wee shock on my bodyfat analyser scales the other day - I'm 6'2", and apparently 180 lbs, and 51% body fat, 17% water...

 :o

Such scales are known to be inaccurate and your result would confirm this.
If you were 5'2" I might believe it...

Well, I do appear to be developing a mobile mug rest belly...   :o >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bunker22 on 15 February, 2014, 10:43:38 pm
Had a week away on business on expenses, so I was pleased that I didn't put on any weight, although secretly disappointed that I didn't shift any either, having eaten variations on chicken salads at Pizza Express, Pain de Quiteden, and Cote on consecutive days, as well a 2 sessions in the hotel 'Gym'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 17 February, 2014, 09:20:08 am
The weekend was a crash course in crash weight gain, a steak and profiterole fest on Friday, a boozy tapas extravaganza on Saturday, and making a massive vat of curry on sunday (plus on hand unlimited cookies and ferraro rocher)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 February, 2014, 12:33:12 pm
I am beginning to notice at my Pilates class that my belly has shrunk. It's no longer a wrestling match (at least, not to the same degree) when I do any exercise that involves lying on my front.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 February, 2014, 10:14:28 pm
I felt (and was) really slow during the second half of the Glastonbury 100 miler on Sunday, then felt really tired afterwards and on waking yesterday morning. I was only yesterday afternoon I realised I’d been coming down with something. At least I have a ready-made excuse for not losing any weight this week on tomorrow’s weigh-in.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 February, 2014, 08:13:27 am
114kg=18st.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 19 February, 2014, 08:24:13 am
The measure for ‘Fat-bellyness’.

Lie on the floor. Relax. Place a spirit level diagonally from one Thoracic peak to the opposite acetabulum ( hip peak ).
If the spirit level is held above either of these two points by the belly, the belly is too big.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 February, 2014, 08:34:27 am
80kg=much better than a week including several family packs of revels and excluding any walking or weight lifting has any right to be.

It's much harder to lay off the sugar when you're feeling this crappy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 19 February, 2014, 08:39:29 am
Found a brilliant way to lose weight this week....get sick  :facepalm:

Not really felt like eating since I picked up a cold from that London last week, so managed to drop just over a kilo. I suppose it will return next week once I feel better. Sigh.

I suppose I could try the tapeworm diet as mentioned in the Cycling Weakly this week......
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 19 February, 2014, 09:55:08 am
Having a cold hasn't worked for me: 100g up on last week. I'm basically in stasis this month. I put it down to being wimpish with the fasting and only managing 6:1 instead of 5:2. More self control is the only way, but I need to shrug off this cold first...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 19 February, 2014, 10:12:47 am
1 piece of dry toast Tuesday, nothing at all Wed Thurs Fri, (some calories taken in through a drip) hardly anything Saturday, bit more Sunday which was cancelled out and more on the bike.....

I've lost 100 grams *sigh* I've sort of given up with it now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 February, 2014, 10:54:14 am
I’m static this week. My weight used to fluctuate a lot more than this.

I’ve got a cold and haven’t done any exercise since the weekend but I am managing to stick to my calorie target reasonably well and only did one naughty last night (ice cream with my fruit salad instead of yoghurt).

I’m trying to update the graphs but doesn’t seem to be working properly, could be network trouble.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 February, 2014, 02:02:52 pm
The measure for ‘Fat-bellyness’.

Lie on the floor. Relax. Place a spirit level diagonally from one Thoracic peak to the opposite acetabulum ( hip peak ).
If the spirit level is held above either of these two points by the belly, the belly is too big.

The acetabulum is the socket in the hip joint for the 'ball' of the femur.
The thinnest of us would be unable to get a spirit level anywhere near!

A yardstick placed between my two anterior superior iliac spines is clear of my belly if I lie on the floor.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 19 February, 2014, 02:29:19 pm
The measure for ‘Fat-bellyness’.

Lie on the floor. Relax. Place a spirit level diagonally from one Thoracic peak to the opposite acetabulum ( hip peak ).
If the spirit level is held above either of these two points by the belly, the belly is too big.

The acetabulum is the socket in the hip joint for the 'ball' of the femur.
The thinnest of us would be unable to get a spirit level anywhere near!

A yardstick placed between my two anterior superior iliac spines is clear of my belly if I lie on the floor.

Yur the boss.

The diagonal technique was what I was shown.

Are you sure a YARDSTICK is necessary? A twelve inch rule, surely ???  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 February, 2014, 04:03:11 pm
The measure for ‘Fat-bellyness’.

Lie on the floor. Relax. Place a spirit level diagonally from one Thoracic peak to the opposite acetabulum ( hip peak ).
If the spirit level is held above either of these two points by the belly, the belly is too big.

The acetabulum is the socket in the hip joint for the 'ball' of the femur.
The thinnest of us would be unable to get a spirit level anywhere near!

A yardstick placed between my two anterior superior iliac spines is clear of my belly if I lie on the floor.

Yur the boss.

The diagonal technique was what I was shown.

Are you sure a YARDSTICK is necessary? A twelve inch rule, surely ???  ;)

Diagonal technique might be a good thing but it's important to name the parts correctly. You have named the wrong parts IMO.

I have broad hips...  ;) ;D
(and my spirit level has inaccurate markings engraved).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 19 February, 2014, 06:48:12 pm
Static after two weeks in a pub* will count as a win. Trouble is that's a total loss of 1lb since New Year's Day.
I think we call it 'starting again'.

*: I wasn't in the pub all the time, just the evenings and overnight. And it was for work.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 19 February, 2014, 08:02:56 pm
Moved house the last 4 days. Friends around to help, takeaways and wine. plus 1lb.

Now back to the regime...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 19 February, 2014, 11:14:35 pm
Another 1.3 kg down this week! Again despite No Physical movement as such and little no Portion Control!
I am surprised but in a good way O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 20 February, 2014, 09:06:10 am
Added myself to the weight reports thread. Hoping to lose a steady 0.75kg a week which should be possible if I keep the booze in check and keep up the running.

~200km ride this weekend (possibly 250km depending on whether I ride all the way home) which should affect things nicely (eventually).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 20 February, 2014, 09:28:10 am
Static this week (I think- the scales aren't very nuanced) which counts as good after half term home alone with step son which may have resulted in fish and chips and curry being consumed. At least the 4kg loss from Jan 1st is maintained... Phew
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 20 February, 2014, 10:42:01 am
I haven't managed more than 2 or 3 fast days in the whole of feb so far.
When I log my weight in the morning, I jot down what I ate the day before. It's surprisingly informative.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 February, 2014, 11:09:49 pm
Feline just gave me a cream egg.

I have 28 calories left today. A cream egg is 136 calories. I gave it back.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 21 February, 2014, 02:12:55 pm
Feline just gave me a cream egg.

I have 28 calories left today. A cream egg is 136 calories. I gave it back.

So I ate it as well as my own :P  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 21 February, 2014, 09:01:26 pm
I'm back on the weight-loss wagon. I think the lowish dose of amitriptyline I'm currently taking as a preventative for migraines is making me even more of a greedy fecking cow than usual which is a right pain.

I'm not sure how much I've put on due to the lack of scales situation, but I know I have. And I can't be dragging too much extra lard up Box Hill come the RideLondon 100, so it will have to go.

Back to MFP, and have found a new spin class practically on my commute that will hopefully be good training as well as earning me extra calories. I only stopped spinning because the last place I went is no longer convenient for my current workplace. Also need to make sure I wuss out of commute as little as possible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 February, 2014, 05:53:52 pm
I seem to have gained weight again despite weeks of seemingly modest eating following a not-very-indulgent Festive Season.
Looks like my eating will have to become much more modest!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 24 February, 2014, 11:48:51 am
Went to the Waterside Inn at the weekend. If you're going to blow your diet out of the water. You might as well do it with a 7 course tasting menu at a 3 michelin star restaurant.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 24 February, 2014, 03:11:28 pm
I am having trouble controlling my hunger at the moment.I am increasing my cycling atm and after the long hard rides can't stop eating.I am talking about real physical hunger here not mental hunger.When it gets me I haven't the patience to wait for eggs to boil and snatch instant food while it's cooking.Anything is fair game when the hunger gets me.I try and avoid keeping junk food in the house,because of this,but I have 2 teenagers.HELP I am hoping to double my milage in the next couple of months
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 24 February, 2014, 06:42:36 pm
Pre-prepare healthy recovery food?

(personally I quite like cold boiled eggs - as you mentioned them! - but of course other options are available.

Meat sandwich is easy. Put some salad in to discourage thieving teenagers.

I find raw carrots are quite nice, far from calorific. Plenty of other suggestions if you search this thread long enough. )
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 24 February, 2014, 06:52:59 pm
I am having trouble controlling my hunger at the moment.I am increasing my cycling atm and after the long hard rides can't stop eating.I am talking about real physical hunger here not mental hunger.When it gets me I haven't the patience to wait for eggs to boil and snatch instant food while it's cooking.Anything is fair game when the hunger gets me.I try and avoid keeping junk food in the house,because of this,but I have 2 teenagers.HELP I am hoping to double my milage in the next couple of months

I think it was Julian who first mentioned that she found that protein shakes helped stop the 'must eat everything in sight' feeling after a long ride, and they do help. Also very quick to prepare.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 24 February, 2014, 07:11:52 pm
Also disgusting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 24 February, 2014, 07:12:20 pm
I usually have a milk shake as soon as I put the bike away.I don't get the problem on audax rides,because I eat plenty on the way round,but at the moment I am doing reliability rides on just a banana or flapjack.I guess it will get easier when my body adapts and the club runs became a bit more sociable with cafe' stops in the spring.

mattcs' idea of preparing something in advance is good.IE eat something quick,shower,then something more substantial.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 24 February, 2014, 07:18:30 pm
I have been known to open a can of beans and eat them cold, straight from the can with a spoon, when I'm that hungry.

A carton of ready made custard also hits the spot. Similar to a milkshake, I suppose, but I find  custard more palatable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 24 February, 2014, 10:49:51 pm
I have been known to open a can of beans and eat them cold, straight from the can with a spoon, when I'm that hungry. 
I can beat that. A tin of cold Heinz macaroni cheese eaten using crisps in place of a spoon!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 February, 2014, 12:03:24 am
I admire your culinary sense of adventure, pedaldog! ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 25 February, 2014, 06:49:24 am
I've been known to eat a can of Fray Bentos corned beef with my fingers when I'm slightly hungry. A can of Stewed steak with kidneys when I'm fairly hungry, and a can of Pal meaty chunks in gravy when I'm very hungry.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 February, 2014, 08:04:24 am
mattc's right - preparing a healthy post-ride snack is probably a better option.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 February, 2014, 11:06:40 am
I have recovery drink mix, strawberries and cream flavour, which is a lot more palatable than most of the options described upthread.

I had a low-carb dinner last night (omelette and salad). Left me feeling hungry all evening so I had some oatcakes with cheese (chilli and pepper cheese - yum) before bed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 25 February, 2014, 12:36:53 pm
My eating philosophy on bike rides is ‘eat for the next two hours’, so when the ride finishes, I don’t need to eat for about two hours.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 26 February, 2014, 08:34:33 am
Bit of a Pig-Out yesterday; >4000kcals and waaaaay too much protein and carbohydrate. And booze  :o.

Once in a while is OK, and it helped moderate what looked like being an excessive weight-loss for the week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 February, 2014, 09:14:50 am
Todays weight looks great.


Post-ride de-hydration ftw!


I don't really get that 'MUST EAT ALL TEH FOODZ' post-ride any more. Yesterday's audax (210km of wind assist, 9 hours riding HR~135) I didn't eat much at all, either during or after. 2000 calories, maybe? Perhaps more, I haven't counted properly, but not much more than I'd eat sitting on my arse all day here in the office.

I have started having protein recovery shiz after the gym though- I counted religiously for a week and wasn't hitting 100g/protein most days, which is what I 'should' be getting for muscle building. I make it into hot chocolate- this probably destroys any benefit, but being protein has a high satiety and lasts me ~4hours, till the lunchtime cheese-fest.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 February, 2014, 10:40:31 am
Up a little on last week, but we did have a weekend away involving beer, English breakfasts and pub evening meals.

I think it's known as a rounding error.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 February, 2014, 10:42:34 am
I am still an exercise-free zone, having still not recovered from last week's cold.

Lost 0.1kg this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 26 February, 2014, 11:40:44 am
Another 0.2kg down, but not worried as still on track and a weekend Audax usually upsets the subsequent weigh in.

Hopefully I'll get time to nip to the work gym this afternoon for a quick run between meetings.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bunker22 on 26 February, 2014, 12:15:21 pm
Week before last kept the intake down all week and had chicken salad 3 days in a row: No weightloss.
This week,12 bags of crisps, few beers and friday= fish & chips, saturday= Prezzo Pizza, Sunday= Pub Roast: Lost 0.5kg.

I don't understand my body!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 26 February, 2014, 12:36:56 pm
Same as last week. Too much stress at mo and comfort eating to compensate, but at least weather is better so more bike time to use up calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 26 February, 2014, 06:38:51 pm
Hmm. Three pounds loss over nine weeks is a bit close to noise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 26 February, 2014, 07:56:40 pm
I typed this at work yesterday, before the weigh in. If I just keep it to myself, I might follow it. If I broadcast it to all of YACF, there will be more pressure.  :demon:

Quote
I need to stop having two rolls when I’m not doing extra exercise.
When we were on the ‘big’ diet I coped with one, even when I’d been swimming (most of the time).
I only switched to having two when the lunchtime rides became regular enough that I was raiding the café or the sweet machine most days.
 
So, I will bring two rolls in on Mondays.
If I don’t have do ‘serious’ exercise (ride longer than home and back or a run) I will only eat one and will put the other in the fridge.
If there is one in the fridge already (or I know that I will be not exercising) I will bring in just one.
 
Or at least I’ll try.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 27 February, 2014, 06:51:40 am
Up 0.5kg this week.

This is the result of no fasting whatsoever, plus eating like a starving man during yesterday's 200k DIY with the headwind from Hell.

So I've now established the following:

No fasting = weight gain
6:1 fasting = stable weight
5:2 fasting = weight loss

Willpower, where did you go?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 February, 2014, 08:27:45 am
Goodness, have you just proved to yourself what I said 50 pages ago?

Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource. Here's the American Psychologists Associations take:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=4

Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.

DrMekon is the expert but the the theories are here:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=6

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 27 February, 2014, 10:10:50 am
The alternative to 'Willpower' is 'Hospital'.

Have you seen their food?  Or lack of it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 27 February, 2014, 10:36:16 am
Goodness, have you just proved to yourself what I said 50 pages ago?

Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource. Here's the American Psychologists Associations take:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=4

Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.

DrMekon is the expert but the the theories are here:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=6


From the study you linked to:

"adolescents who had more self-control problems in sixth grade — such as talking out of turn in class or acting without thinking — were more likely to use alcohol, tobacco and marijuana as high school juniors."

Yep. Guilty as charged, your Honour.

"exerting willpower in one sphere can undermine your capacity to resist temptations in other, unrelated areas of life. "

So, basically, when I gave up smoking 14 years ago, it depleted my willpower so I started drinking more alcohol.
Then, when I gave up drinking alcohol 18 months ago, it depleted my willpower so I started eating more 'bad' food.
Yeah, sounds about right.

So, following this logic, if I give up eating 'bad' food and stop overeating, it will deplete my willpoer so I will start.....what? Riding ridiculous distances on my bike? Spending way too much time on the internet?  Becoming a sex addict? Taking intravenous drugs?

Aha.

"The “out of sight, out of mind” principle applies to adults, too. One recent study, for instance, found office workers who kept candy in a desk drawer indulged less than when they kept the candy on top of their desks, in plain sight.

Another helpful tactic for improving self-control is a technique that psychologists call an “implementation intention.” Usually these intentions take the form of “if-then” statements that help people plan for situations that are likely to foil their resolve. For example, someone who’s watching her alcohol intake might tell herself before a party, “If anyone offers me a drink, then I’ll ask for club soda with lime.” Research among adolescents and adults has found that implementation intentions improve self-control, even among people whose willpower has been depleted by laboratory tasks. Having a plan in place ahead of time may allow you to make decisions in the moment without having to draw on your willpower."

Okay, so...

If someone suggests I ride a 400, I'll just ride a 200 instead.
I'll keep the computer/smartphone/tablet switched off or hidden away for 2/3 of the day.
If someone tries it on with me, or I find I'm attracted to them, I'll blurt out that I'm married and have kids. Usually works. Unless it's my wife making the advances of course.
If I'm offered intravenous drugs*, I'll just drop an eccy instead. Hmm, may need work that. "Just Say No"?

Aha. (2)

"Being depleted in one area can reduce willpower in other spheres, so it makes more sense to focus on a single goal at a time. In other words, don’t try to quit smoking, adopt a healthy diet and start a new exercise plan at the same time. Taking goals one by one is a better approach. Once a good habit is in place, Baumeister says, you’ll no longer need to draw on your willpower to maintain the behavior. Eventually healthy habits will become routine, and won’t require making decisions at all."

So, focus on the diet and let the audax, internet, shagging, and drugs** take care of themselves, then?

Life is complicated!

* - Highly unlikely given my age, lifestyle and lack of attending druggy parties in the past decade or so, but you never know.
** - Actually I threw the drugs in there just for a laugh, I gave 'recreational' drugs up long before quitting smoking.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 27 February, 2014, 10:38:06 am
I finally watched the Sugar vs Fat doc, where they were very critical of losing muscle mass, so I haven't been too bothered about my weight gain.

1. Wasn't able to fast due to lots of social events
2. I'm weight training
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 28 February, 2014, 09:04:42 am
Somehow or the other, I got back from a week of face stuffing fest in Canada without putting on much at all. One thing I discovered was that the Canadians actually brew some very decent beer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 28 February, 2014, 09:30:33 am
Bang goes my weight loss, I am going to spend too many nights in the near future living away from home and eating out in the evening.  :(

Fitting into my suit at my sisters wedding has just gone to 'at risk'
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 28 February, 2014, 10:09:49 am
The crap weather, being away too much, domestic stresses, being back on the booze and general apathy have reversed the gains I've made (losses I've made?). Bum and double bum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2014, 06:20:52 pm
0.8kg weight loss in 5 weeks.

Pretty much spot on for the calorie deficit I am running.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 28 February, 2014, 08:23:45 pm
Pretty much spot on for the calorie deficit I am running.

IIRC, you eat a fairly low-carb diet; in the order of 100g a day, is that right?

For Reference, normal "Western diet" would be 300g (Europe) and 500g (USA).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2014, 08:40:19 pm
Pretty much spot on for the calorie deficit I am running.

IIRC, you eat a fairly low-carb diet; in the order of 100g a day, is that right?

For Reference, normal "Western diet" would be 300g (Europe) and 500g (USA).

Examples from this week suggest not:

Monday, 226g carbs, 107g fat, 91g protein. (2422 kcals)
Tuesday, 267g carbs, 41g fat, 64g protein.  (1777 kcals)
Wednesday, 175g carbs, 56g fat, 122g protein. (1949 kcals)

I tend to eat slightly lower carbs and more fat and protein than the recommended amounts, but it’s not far off.





Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 28 February, 2014, 08:48:50 pm
Fair enough. Bang goes that theory!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 05 March, 2014, 10:22:10 am
Just over 0.5kg this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 05 March, 2014, 10:37:47 am
All readings are stable, Captain. Sensors indicate no change.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 March, 2014, 10:49:41 am
200g lost. So now just need to lose another 100g and I'll be back to 'lightweight' for Concept II rankings. Hallelujah!

(6 pancakes last night, but I was careful* to eat sod all earlier in the day, in preparation, so allegedly I stayed under my calorie target. Though I did have to eat left-over cake I made for Hummers' and Postie's visit on Monday, and left-overs of the paella I made on Monday night, to get me to pancake time).

* I missed the sandwich guy at work, so just had a tin of soup for lunch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 March, 2014, 11:46:40 am
Minor post-audax weight gain...

I've been Eating for England since Sunday. I'd forgotten quite how bad this side effect can be.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 05 March, 2014, 11:58:28 am
Minor post-audax weight gain...

I've been Eating for England since Sunday. I'd forgotten quite how bad this side effect can be.

That's your body telling you you didn't eat enough carbs during the ride.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 March, 2014, 12:06:43 pm
Minor post-audax weight gain...

I've been Eating for England since Sunday. I'd forgotten quite how bad this side effect can be.

That's your body telling you you didn't eat enough carbs during the ride.

I'm not sure it's either desirable or possible to eat enough carbs on an Audax.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 05 March, 2014, 12:14:29 pm
That's your body telling you you didn't eat enough carbs during the ride.

No, it's your body worrying that you might be doing another one next weekend and getting its retaliation in early.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 March, 2014, 12:19:13 pm
Minor post-audax weight gain...

I've been Eating for England since Sunday. I'd forgotten quite how bad this side effect can be.

That's your body telling you you didn't eat enough carbs during the ride.

I'm not sure it's either desirable or possible to eat enough carbs on an Audax.

Indeed.

I think it's mainly a case of not being used to it since I haven't done it for a while.

Although jo could also be right - especially since I am indeed doing another one next weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 05 March, 2014, 10:15:58 pm
I've joined a new spinning studio. It's in a converted pub in the City. The instructors have playlists on the website so you can avoid the ones with really shit taste in music. I 'cycled' 14 miles in 45 minutes including some fairly mean 'hills'; it's amazing what you can do without wind resistance, traffic lights, junctions, having to watch out for hazards etc  8)

I have no idea if I've lost anything, due to deliberately not owning scales. Got a doctor's appt in two weeks so I'll ask to jump on their scales then. I know I should really have measured myself right from the start, ho hum. Never mind, I'll know when my jeans are looser.

I'm still doing my yoga for cyclists class which focuses of strengthening core muscles as well as stretching out those shortened by cycling. Myfitnesspal reckons I'm always well under on protein so I'm persevering with a less than tasty hemp-based protein shake. It couldn't look more vile (sludgy green) if it tried so it must be good for you (in fairness, I don't think it has half the crap in it that some powders do). It does help stem The Hunger though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 06 March, 2014, 06:55:49 am
The trouble with music at spinning class is the tempo doesn't suit everyone's 95% MHR.

The trouble with measuring distance at spinning class is you never know how much you have ( simulated ) climbed, and how fast the theoretical downhill is.

The trouble with protein shakes is they only taste good if they have Crusha in them and they are poured over a giant slice of apple pie.

If you really want to drink green sludge to survive, become an astronaut.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 06 March, 2014, 07:13:07 am
Definately going in the wrong direction,  But life is a bit s**t at the moment.    Back on the streight and narrow ASAP.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 06 March, 2014, 09:12:16 am
Well and truly stuck at the moment: no weight loss in three weeks.

I suppose having lost 2 stone since I started back in October, my body has lost the "easy" weight so now I am actually having to try to lose more. Its not easy and anyone who says it is, is one of the lucky ones.

No food for me this week then...well apart from this fried breakfast....  ;D :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 06 March, 2014, 10:25:12 am
Still making slow but steady progress. A loss of 7.5kg since starting (from an admittedly fairly high point, so to be expected), a 2" reduction in waist measurement, and without feeling too hungry (as opposed to the odd craving) most of the time.  Main changes have been lunchtimes at work - now a banana and a protein-and-oat drink. Oh, and a total lack of visits to the vending machine for crisps or chocolate bars and no partaking of the birthday cakes of others. Breakfast is home made muesli, but with a spoonful of Greek yogurt and some honey on it. Dinners are pretty much unchanged, but I have stopped doing anything coated in breadcrumbs and fried, and reduced potato, rice, pasta and mayo consumption.  Oh, and I'm down to 1 bottle of wine a week instead of 3 (thats a hard one, leaving a half bottle un-drunk on a Friday evening!) All quite easy as my wife eats as much as a sparrow!

Willpower is really the key, but that's not news. I once read that most cravings can be overcome if they can be resisted for 6 minutes. I just hope I have the willpower to reduce intake further when the inevitable plateau is reached (as it appears to have been for Essexian), it's really quite a salutary lesson to see how few calories a body really needs to survive a mainly sedentary existence.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 06 March, 2014, 10:29:32 am
You need a target Geoff.

Design and recce some new routes from the Pretty Pigs.

Wellesbourne Airfield Cafe, Kidderminster SVR, Penkridge and back to the Pigs is 201 km.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 March, 2014, 01:21:26 pm
My waist and hip measurements are static.
I have not been weighed for a while.
My size 12 trousers are neither tighter nor looser than they have been for ages.
I am not eating very much but will have to eat less...
... while baking cakes for my David. David seems to scoff the CAEK, which I hardly touch!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 06 March, 2014, 06:42:53 pm
Oops,,, there was a birthday in the office today and I ate SIX meat samosas.

At 350 cals EACH  :o

Did 700 cals cycling home so still 1400 too much. No dinner tonight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 06 March, 2014, 09:02:41 pm
You need a target Geoff.

Design and recce some new routes from the Pretty Pigs.

Wellesbourne Airfield Cafe, Kidderminster SVR, Penkridge and back to the Pigs is 201 km.

Done  see July for a 4th day in the pub for me.  again not good for weight loss.

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/14-616/
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 06 March, 2014, 09:44:20 pm
All I remember of Edith Weston was a RAF field. North Luffenham.

I did a 200 DIY out that way, but I went up Kings Hill.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 06 March, 2014, 11:01:33 pm
UP 1.5 Kilo's is BAD! :hand:

It's too late for me, save yourselves! :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2014, 12:23:20 pm
I'm back to what I weighed in October. So still a couple of kilos heavier than 12 months ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 March, 2014, 02:11:24 pm
Down 1kg since my 22 February weigh-in, but still marginally heavier than at the start of the year.
Constipated despite figs, beans, lots of fruit & veg, raw oats for breakfast.
Was told I had an unhealthy attitude to food & fat when discussing normalising obesity In Another Place.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 March, 2014, 11:47:14 am
Interestingly, after yesterday's 200, I don't feel nearly as hungry as I did after last week's 200, despite having eaten far less overall throughout the day (I think I ate less but ate better this time, and drank a lot more this time, which I'm sure makes a difference). We'll see if that continues over the next couple of days...

Lost 1.5kg between yesterday morning and today, but presume most of that is dehydration.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 10 March, 2014, 01:27:48 pm
After a steady climb through January and February my weight is starting to turn down again.  I do not worry about what I eat in the Winter months and I certainly drink more beer. I finished the final four bottles of beer from Christmas and will not buy any more for the house until next November. Together with a more concerned attitude to snacking between meals this will allow my weight to drop steadily. Day to day variations are difficult to predict but I am hoping to be under 80kg again one day this week, against 81.9Kg on 7th February. Next week is more of a concern, I have a ski trip to negotiate and despite day long sport my diet will be terrible.  I drink lots of Coca Cola, beer,  peanuts, chips and other things I do not normally eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 March, 2014, 02:30:14 pm
David's weight was up to 62kg last night.
He got roped into health screening when I went for my flu jab today.
Nurse weighed him at 62kg in clothes and shoes.
Told him he should weigh 69kg.
David is unimpressed!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 March, 2014, 06:06:12 pm
After David's partial health screening today (he still needs a blood test to check his sugar, cholesterol etc), he was told he should weigh more.
He has a BMI of 20.5 and a comfortable subcutaneous layer.
He is lean but not emaciated.
We think that obesity (or at least fatness) are being normalised and that this is unhealthy.
I have been slated Elsewhere for having a 'dangerous' attitude to food and fat.
I think unhealthy eating habits are being normalised by society and the food industry.
I don't think our latest encounter with the NHS was helpful...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 March, 2014, 06:19:18 pm
We think that obesity (or at least fatness) are being normalised and that this is unhealthy.

Funnily enough, after reading your earlier post I googled for the most widely accepted definitions of "ideal bodyweights" according to age and height and came to much the same conclusion.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 March, 2014, 06:38:38 pm
Mr Average has not grown significantly taller in the last 40 years.

He was 65kg when I started medical school, 70kg a while later and is now rather more.

David's height approximates to that of Mr Average and probably has not changed much in the last 30 years. (He'll be 50 later this year.) I don't think he's too thin.
Everyone else is too fat.

My attitude to food and fat is 'dangerous'...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 11 March, 2014, 06:54:36 am
Ideal bodyfat is a tricky one.

The US Navy has a chart, and so do HM Forces. They are different.

I have found 'A1', 'Thin', 'Slim', 'Excellent', 'OK' and 'Trim' amongst descriptions varying from 12 to 22 %.  :-\
Each has a frig-factor for age, which complicates matters as the skinfold curves are non-linear to start with.

Slimguide calipers also have a recommendation.

As a guidline in our world, a Pro cyclist is typically 8 - 12 %.


Incidentally, I heared that the average waistline measurement of 18 - 25 year old women has increased by 1" per decade from 1945.
It was 26" then and 32" in 2005. The fashion industry have reluctantly accepted this. So have 18 - 25 year old men.  ;D

PPS. Bioimpedence measurements at home are not worth the steam off my p**s.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 March, 2014, 09:34:23 am
I continue to use the spring balance I purchased in 1982.
Yesterday's antics suggest they are acceptably accurate.
Expanding waistlines are a problem for the lean.
Whilst my waist is not as trim as it was in the 80s, my hip measurement is much the same and M&S is far to baggy round the waist.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 11 March, 2014, 02:34:13 pm
Whilst my waist is not as trim as it was in the 80s, my hip measurement is much the same and M&S is far to baggy round the waist.

As I know you are a fan of grammatical correctness, can I point out that having clothes that are far to baggy is quite different to having ones that are far too baggy?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 March, 2014, 02:53:45 pm
Whilst my waist is not as trim as it was in the 80s, my hip measurement is much the same and M&S is far to baggy round the waist.

As I know you are a fan of grammatical correctness, can I point out that having clothes that are far to baggy is quite different to having ones that are far too baggy?

Indeed. My mistake!

My 41" hips needed a Size 16 in 1984.
I am sitting in a pair of Size 14 trousers (bought last year) which comfortably clothe my 41" haunches but have six spare inches round the waist.
Size 12 is tight on the hip but still roomy on the belly.

I had a 26" waist when I went to university, which was a Size 14 then.
It would be a Size 8 now!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 11 March, 2014, 10:14:54 pm
After David's partial health screening today (he still needs a blood test to check his sugar, cholesterol etc), he was told he should weigh more.
He has a BMI of 20.5 and a comfortable subcutaneous layer.
He is lean but not emaciated.
We think that obesity (or at least fatness) are being normalised and that this is unhealthy.
I have been slated Elsewhere for having a 'dangerous' attitude to food and fat.
I think unhealthy eating habits are being normalised by society and the food industry.
I don't think our latest encounter with the NHS was helpful...


Yes, I think that you're right. There does seem to be some reasonable evidence that lower calorie intakes and lower weight are positively correlated with longevity.

The approach carries through into other areas as well. Statins are the drug of choice for high cholesterol, and this is fundamentally because losing weight/controlling diet is too hard for the population at large and so medical intervention is used as an alternative rather than a supplement (yes, I appreciate these approaches are not sufficiently effective for everyone).

I think the excess of everything we enjoy in the richer parts of the world, together with a super efficient profit making food industry make choices difficult for people. In our historic state we never had to learn self control where food was concerned - getting enough was the problem. No wonder it's so hard when there's too much available cheaply.

Off to burn off a few calories now:)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 12 March, 2014, 07:14:30 am
Some weight loss at last!!!!

After being stuck for the last couple of weeks, I am very pleased with the 0.8kg loss recorded this week.

Off for a veggie BLT to celebrate  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 March, 2014, 08:10:23 am
There was a hint earlier this week that I would have been able to record a reduction this week, but it's level I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: shyumu on 12 March, 2014, 09:17:16 am
Lost 4.5kg yesterday - that can't be good.  I suspect that I have some water and glycogen to replace.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 12 March, 2014, 09:27:35 am
Lost 4.5kg yesterday - that can't be good.  I suspect that I have some water and glycogen to replace.

Very impressive - how did you do that.

I'm up a bit this week - bad week at work and little exercise
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: shyumu on 12 March, 2014, 10:18:06 am
A 220km DIY audax... I now feel like a piece of dried fruit and I know my weight will come straight back as soon as I see a glass of water.  Tried scrambled eggs for breakfast today - hoping that my body will use some of its fat stores to rebuild muscle and glycogen.  This thought is not based on any scientific knowledge, just hope.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 12 March, 2014, 12:43:14 pm
A 220km DIY audax... I now feel like a piece of dried fruit and I know my weight will come straight back as soon as I see a glass of water.  Tried scrambled eggs for breakfast today - hoping that my body will use some of its fat stores to rebuild muscle and glycogen.  This thought is not based on any scientific knowledge, just hope.

Excellent and well done - Tuesday audax toimprove Wednesday morning weigh in.

Not sure about you theory, but hope is always good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 13 March, 2014, 01:37:24 pm
Some weight loss today. Probably dehydration after yesterday's DIY 300k audax. Also I found I couldn't eat much after about 10pm, and did not eat any 'recovery' meal upon arriving back home in the wee small hours. Could also be more modest eating habits over the past week.

What does appear to be the case is that a 300 seems to provide more of a 'workout' than a 200: surprise surprise!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 19 March, 2014, 07:50:38 am
Well a somewhat surprising 0.5kg loss from last week. Surprising because I seemed to be nearly 3kg heavier at the weekend than I am now (and I am hydrated this morning). I thought the comfort (over) eating last week would have stalled or even reversed the losing trend, but thankfully not.  Got to be strong willed this weekend - wife's away from tomorrow night until Sunday, and I'm still a bit down after Mums death, so the temptation will be to once again comfort eat and drink. And as the weather looks less kind this weekend I'll probably not be riding as much as recently (managed 90 miles -a lot for me - last weekend)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 March, 2014, 08:24:42 am
I got away with it for a bit, but my current comfort eating/ lack of non-exercise movement is catching up with me. Thankfully the battery in my scales is flat.

The sooner a) the knee is fixed and b) my housing situation is resolved, the better. I'll put back everything I lost in January before the end of the month if I keep this up.

I haven't (yet) found anything comforting you can get easily in a lunchbreak, except sugar, in all its transient not-as-good-as-you-think-it's-going-to-be.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 19 March, 2014, 09:06:07 am
Somehow lost a litle bit this week, despite not getting out between last Sunday and yesterday morning. Mille Cymru is putting the pressure on - need to commit to miles or give someone else the chance.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 19 March, 2014, 10:23:40 am
I've been on a minor upward trend lately but I seem to have halted that. Really need to restore some dietary self-discipline.

I'm not doing the Mille Cymru, but I am doing the Brimstone 600 and I've had a look at the route profile...  :o

If I can shed the remaining 4kg to get to my target weight between now and the end of May, it might make it a little easier. Or should I say marginally less difficult...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 19 March, 2014, 11:18:29 am
Let myself go this past week, and it shows. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 March, 2014, 01:36:17 pm
Things might be moving in the right direction or I might have made no progress at all this year.

I am not gaining weight or bulk.

I suppose that is good news.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 19 March, 2014, 01:47:38 pm
I'm getting stronger with regards to body weight exercises, so I seek solace in that. Other half will be working abroad in a week or so's time, so I'll get back on fasting then.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 March, 2014, 01:56:15 pm
Not a good week for me. A very fine meal at my brother's place on Sunday did not help, but having a really bad cold, which in itself instills lethargy and the desire for food, have put me up 1kg. I think a significant amount of that mass is the content of my nasal cavity.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 19 March, 2014, 06:40:32 pm
200g is probably noise, but it's noise in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: IanN on 21 March, 2014, 06:06:12 pm
I'm normal!  ;D

Well, that might be going a bit far, but I have a BMI of 24.9, down from 27+ at New Year, and the first time for somewhat more than 10 years.
An arbitrary line in the sand, but I'm quite pleased. A midrange BMI of 22 - 23 would be more of a challenge. A whole stone of challenge. Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 26 March, 2014, 09:11:04 am
Well, another small loss after another emotionally turbulent week (now the funeral is over I hope things will calm down a bit, and some normality can start to return) so basically pleased, as I had expected to be static or even gain some - too much red wine and cheese.

Trying to (re)impose some self-control this week, and the weekend looks good for getting out :-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 March, 2014, 09:24:02 am
I'm astounded my diet isn't having more effect on the scales.

Maybe stress is burning calories as well as sending me cake-wards?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 March, 2014, 09:52:30 am
Quite an improvement this week - definitely daylight below the 114kg mark!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 26 March, 2014, 09:54:45 am
Small loss for me this week. Mainly due to doing more exercise.
Sweet tooth beats willpower every time.
15 stone 0lbs is next target.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 26 March, 2014, 10:01:54 am
0.4kg this week was a bit of a surprise, albeit pleasant at it remains directionally appropriate. However, the lack of regular exercise ois not so good.

Did a short ride on Wed morning, a 9 mile run by the Thames on Friday morning and 34kms on the bike on Saturday. Since then, silence... work related stress has not done my diet any favours.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 26 March, 2014, 10:11:24 am
I too hadn't realised how much difference work related stress can make. Comfort eating takes on a whole new meaning.
I now know that year end is the most stressful period in our company.
Always has been always will be.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on 26 March, 2014, 12:22:08 pm
Previously this year, weight is glued at 85kg regardless of what I do or don't do

But for Lent ( starts on pancake day, goes until Easter) the vorsprung family have gone Vegan.  This was Vorsprung Jnr's idea but me and Mrs V said we would too as it's easier for cooking

We are all seeing weight loss, in my case I am down to 82kg, despite eating like pigs ( Vegan pigs of course, not the usual omnivorous type).  I haven't even given up booze.

To be fair I'd guess my level of activity is up slightly too as spring arrives
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 26 March, 2014, 12:33:25 pm
 :-\
...but expected after the weekend...
MrsC's current job comes to an end on Friday week. She is promising 'changes' after that (it's all a bit depressing at the moment).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 26 March, 2014, 01:45:35 pm
Having released the reigns for a couple weeks to a) stay in hotels on business and then ii) go on a bike tour then dropping 0.8kg is unexpected (and welcome).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 March, 2014, 11:00:18 am
Haven't tracked calories at all since the 200k the weekend before last. Down again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 March, 2014, 11:45:31 am
Haven't been weighed.
Waist now 71cm, a small decrease.

Onwards and downwards...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 27 March, 2014, 01:34:12 pm
Looking at the weight loss chart (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28731.msg914628#msg914628), are you OK rafletcher? Did you have a leg or two removed this week? If not, I think you win YACF's slimmer of the week award.

BTW Simon, it's great that you can crawl these pages to produce those charts. Would it be easy to fit the trend line as a non-linear one (e.g. quadratic should do it) since most of us tend to start with a reasonably strong drop then begin to plateau? I think my asymptotic weight must be around 63kg (unless I resort to rafletcher style amputation).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 March, 2014, 01:45:04 pm
Looking at the weight loss chart (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28731.msg914628#msg914628), are you OK rafletcher? Did you have a leg or two removed this week? If not, I think you win YACF's slimmer of the week award.

BTW Simon, it's great that you can crawl these pages to produce those charts. Would it be easy to fit the trend line as a non-linear one (e.g. quadratic should do it) since most of us tend to start with a reasonably strong drop then begin to plateau? I think my asymptotic weight must be around 63kg (unless I resort to rafletcher style amputation).

Yes, that's a good idea; I've considered experimenting with different curve fits, and quadratic is certainly worth a try, and easy enough to implement (gnuplot will plot functions of course so it's just a matter of replacing the curve fit code and putting those numbers into gnuplot).

I should also get around to updating the waistline graphing to use the new monthly data.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 March, 2014, 01:51:55 pm
I suggest rafletcher's reported weight drop is more likely to be a typo than an amputation.
Suspect digital transposition...

Spurious results are no less spurious when graphically presented.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 27 March, 2014, 04:00:01 pm
Small weight gain this week,due to comfort eating,due to personal problems.Plus no cycling due to a swollen achilles.Cycling is my Prozac,my favorite comfort food is proper cyder and kettle chips.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 March, 2014, 10:09:45 pm
Had a go at changing to quadratic interpolation but the numerical methods tools I wanted to install require me to update a whole bunch of other stuff - so not tonight by the looks of things.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 March, 2014, 11:09:19 pm
On second thoughts… it’s done.

Looks like Rafletcher will have a negative weight within a matter of days…
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2014, 01:30:35 am
Also just done something I’ve been meaning to do for a little while. Since the scraping code also reads data for previous years, I’ve modified the scripts to not just plot the existing 6 months view, but also 1, 2 and 4-year trends, since the graphs go back (in a form I can parse anyway) to at least 2011.

Now you can see for instance that although I’ve lost a bit of weight this year I’m still quite a lot heavier than 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 28 March, 2014, 06:21:49 am
These are great Simon - impressive. Thanks for doing them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 28 March, 2014, 03:12:12 pm
On second thoughts… it’s done.

Looks like Rafletcher will have a negative weight within a matter of days…

Ok  :-[ corrected now  8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 March, 2014, 03:45:26 pm
They also demonstrate how pointless our struggles are. Not one of us has lost and kept off any weight of significance.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 March, 2014, 03:57:09 pm
They also demonstrate how pointless our struggles are. Not one of us has lost and kept off any weight of significance.

I did not enter my weight into the tables for 2012, which I started at 74kg (though I did state on posts that was my weight at the time).
I started 2013 at 66kg and am approximately 63kg now.

That is significant for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2014, 05:10:50 pm
Citoyen clearly has lost weight and kept it off.

I’m the same weight now as I was at the end of 2009.

I’m scraping as far back as the 2008 thread, but I didn’t post any weights back then. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 28 March, 2014, 06:30:32 pm
They also demonstrate how pointless our struggles are. Not one of us has lost and kept off any weight of significance.

Perhaps the more pertinent question to ask is what would our weight have been if we had not tried to keep it off / report it here on YACF (I think this is what economists call 'opportunity cost', but I may be wrong). Things might have been a lot worse without the incentive of YACF and our (sometimes limited) efforts in keeping weight down.

In my case, I seem to be about 10kg down on my weight 4 years ago. Until then I had not considered weighing myself regularly nor making any specific effort to manage my weight. Perhaps it won't last, but I could imagine that without these efforts, I could easily by 10-20kg heaver than I am currently.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 28 March, 2014, 06:47:44 pm
My weight has fallen only 2kg since I last posted on here which is not much of an achievement & it fluctuates +/- half a kg constantly IYSWIM.
The most noticeable thing is that I have changed shape.I don't have that 3-months pregnant side profile & I'm told my ar$e is less rounded.
The moobs have not changed though.It would ne nice to shed some of that chest fat but I'm not going to stress about it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 March, 2014, 07:31:40 pm
I am two dress sizes and nearly two stone down on two years ago. I am lighter than I have been for 30 years.
I caught a view of my shadow in the rays of the setting sun.
I have a real waist!
It's slow but it *is* happening.
My hips and waist have shrunk this week.
I don't think that's too shabby.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 28 March, 2014, 07:47:14 pm
It is far from shabby Helly.

I must admit to not yet trying any dresses for change in size ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2014, 07:56:13 pm
My weight is about 11.75 stone.

I am 3 stone heavier than when I was 18.

That isn’t a bad thing. If I was that weight now, I’d be putting my health at risk.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 March, 2014, 08:14:57 pm
I am about the weight I was at 18. (I dieted down from 10st 3lb to 9st 3lb, then regained the weight and hit 11st in my first year at university.

I've been around 11 stone most of my adult life but I'm around 10 stone now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 29 March, 2014, 07:26:20 am

Citoyen clearly has lost weight and kept it off.

Yes, but it is a constant battle to keep it off... I could very easily put it all back on again. It's too easy to succumb to stress/tiredness related eating/boozing.

I've had a few blips where it starts to creep up but it mostly fluctuates around the 68kg mark, and has been at that level for a while. I lack the self discipline to get it down any closer to my 64kg target. But I'm not too worried about that - 68kg is well within the healthy range for me.

I've been lucky to find an approach to weight loss that works for me. Clearly it doesn't work for everyone. I sympathise with those who haven't had my luck.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 March, 2014, 10:00:56 am
If yu'd concentrate more on reducing Bodyfat % by doing a lot of HARD WORK and eating less, yur weight would look after itself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 29 March, 2014, 12:54:46 pm
Yes, because it's that easy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bledlow on 31 March, 2014, 12:23:21 am
Well, it is for me, & I've always struggled to understand how it's hard for other people.

I can understand those who can't exercise due to disability & eat for comfort, but find it hard to empathise or sympathise with others.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 31 March, 2014, 12:34:38 am
Thanks for that Bledlow.
My 3 sessions of weights and 100+miles a week aren't enough, so I'm clearly a lazy fat fucker who isn't doing enough.
Good job I don't want or need your sympathy or empathy, and in future,  could you kindly keep your smug lack of comprehension to yourself?
It is rarely that straight forward, and the whole 'I can do it so anyone can' patronising bollocks makes me long for the frying pan of SPANG.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 March, 2014, 01:56:16 am
You were looking pretty trim on the photo you posted on Facebook, boab.
I think the weights are making a difference to your shape and, by implication, your fat levels.

Losing fat is bloody hard work, especially if you want:
1) To keep the weight off - non-fat weight is easier to lose & gain but keeping properly lean is another matter!
2) To stay well enough to work, think and move and to resist frequent lurgies.

Running a consistent energy deficit can leave me hungry, obsessed by food, sleepy and constipated.

I can only really speak for myself. Weight loss might be 'simple' (especially if your mind oversimplifies matters).
It is NOT easy!

As a bunch, yacfers *are* less blobby than the general population. Stuck in a wheelchair, my eye level is rather close to people's belly levels. People seem to have ENORMOUS bellies nowadays!

Even if we are not losing as much weight as we would like (and I certainly am not), we are still making some progress avoiding the worst excesses of obesity.
Many of my former class or college mates are HUGE.

But the girl who married at 19 and had 12 children is a Size 8....

Keep going, boab; weight loss is not futile or hopeless.
It just IS NOT EASY!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 31 March, 2014, 08:16:01 am
You were looking pretty trim on the photo you posted on Facebook, boab.
I think the weights are making a difference to your shape and, by implication, your fat levels.

Losing fat is bloody hard work, especially if you want:
1) To keep the weight off - non-fat weight is easier to lose & gain but keeping properly lean is another matter!
2) To stay well enough to work, think and move and to resist frequent lurgies.

Running a consistent energy deficit can leave me hungry, obsessed by food, sleepy and constipated.

I can only really speak for myself. Weight loss might be 'simple' (especially if your mind oversimplifies matters).
It is NOT easy!

As a bunch, yacfers *are* less blobby than the general population. Stuck in a wheelchair, my eye level is rather close to people's belly levels. People seem to have ENORMOUS bellies nowadays!

Even if we are not losing as much weight as we would like (and I certainly am not), we are still making some progress avoiding the worst excesses of obesity.
Many of my former class or college mates are HUGE.

But the girl who married at 19 and had 12 children is a Size 8....

Keep going, boab; weight loss is not futile or hopeless.
It just IS NOT EASY!

A lot of chasing round after the kids, and not enough time to eat   ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 31 March, 2014, 08:36:33 am
A little bit more off this morning, and - I think - the lowest I've been in a while. Not really dieting, per se, just trying to avoid the worst excesses of beer/pizza/cake and trying to ride my bike as much as I can.

4.1kg off so far this year, about 15kg to go  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 31 March, 2014, 09:11:03 pm
I don't post on this thread very much although I read it with interest.
After peaking at about 77.5kg last year I've managed to get down to 72.3kg.
At that level I'm no longer "overweight" according to BMI.
I'm aiming for 70kg by year end (summer if I can) but it's bloody hard work and I spend a lot of time hungry and thinking about food  :(
I think know that I need to vary my exercise regime by doing something other than riding the bike.
Running, even though I now hate it, would help as would some sort of upper body work out.
We'll see.

Keep up the good work folks, I know how hard it is.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 March, 2014, 10:03:54 pm
Well done Andrew! I know how you feel but can't exercise myself...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 March, 2014, 10:24:24 pm
Yes, losing weight is extremely difficult when you either eat more than you should or spend a great deal of the time when you shouldn't be eating feeling bloody hungry and, because of that hunger, unable to concentrate on anything else.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 31 March, 2014, 10:28:32 pm
If you're spending your time hungry and thinking about food your strategy is going to fail. Also running is not an upper body work out,  unless you do it like this:
(http://zacheven-esh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/JHindsPW21.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 31 March, 2014, 10:32:41 pm
If you're spending your time hungry and thinking about food your strategy is going to fail. Also running is not an upper body work out,  unless you do it like this:
(http://zacheven-esh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/JHindsPW21.jpg)

There is something faintly disturbing about that picture!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 31 March, 2014, 10:52:59 pm
If you're spending your time hungry and thinking about food your strategy is going to fail.


It works for me (mostly  ;) ) and the real key has been 5:2 "dieting".
If I don't eat during the day, I don't want to eat but, if I have even a small snack, then I want more.

Also running is not an upper body work out,  ..........



........ as would some sort of upper body work out.


It's subtle but it means what I wanted to say.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 31 March, 2014, 10:55:47 pm
Ahhh. Whole sentences, who knew. Though you know you want to try the power wheel now you've seen it, don't you?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 31 March, 2014, 11:00:14 pm
Yes, but only after I've saved up for a Lego princess.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 01 April, 2014, 07:44:09 am
Well, it is for me, & I've always struggled to understand how it's hard for other people.
I can understand those who can't exercise due to disability & eat for comfort, but find it hard to empathise or sympathise with others.
Back when the BBC website still had a large health section, I did an online test there about my eating habits. At the time, I'd just been seriously dieting and had come down from 17 stone to 11 stone something, so my eating was 'under control'. The test report was that, although I was obviously eating healthily at the time, I had 'problems with my attitude to food' (or some such wording, it was a long time ago) and that I should keep an eye on this. As I have now gone back up to around 14 stone, they obviously weren't totally wrong. I've no idea why I'm like that with food: too fond of the stuff (certainly), too greedy (probably), prefer short term satisfaction to long term gain, who knows. But it doesn't make it 'easy'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 01 April, 2014, 08:08:50 am
Well, it is for me, & I've always struggled to understand how it's hard for other people.
I can understand those who can't exercise due to disability & eat for comfort, but find it hard to empathise or sympathise with others.
Back when the BBC website still had a large health section, I did an online test there about my eating habits. At the time, I'd just been seriously dieting and had come down from 17 stone to 11 stone something, so my eating was 'under control'. The test report was that, although I was obviously eating healthily at the time, I had 'problems with my attitude to food' (or some such wording, it was a long time ago) and that I should keep an eye on this. As I have now gone back up to around 14 stone, they obviously weren't totally wrong. I've no idea why I'm like that with food: too fond of the stuff (certainly), too greedy (probably), prefer short term satisfaction to long term gain, who knows. But it doesn't make it 'easy'.

When faced with an immediate choice his is a normal human response. The long term strategic part of the brain tends to be disabled when presented with immediately gratifying food, and can only dominate if planning away from the short term temptation. 'tis normal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 01 April, 2014, 08:20:41 am
Over the last 25 years the only times that I've been able to shed and keep off enough weight to only seem slightly overweight by the BMI measure is when I've been running regularly.   Swimming and cycling just don't burn enough calories for me.   I think that there is a significant reason for this:   Having been a marathon runner I was extremely conscious of my diet and I seem to slip into this mindset when I am in a running phase.   When I am off the running the snacks, booze, chocolate, biscuits and cake kick in in copious quantities.   

I wish that I could get my head around eating properly other than when I am in a running phase.     

Running is currently helping me lose a steady 0.5kg per week just now and I have managed to get down to a weight that I was last at, going the other way in March 2008.   Unfortunately, to get to the weight that I was when running marathons I need to shed another 25kgs.   The good news is that I'm aiming for a date with tarmac in April 2015 so I have another 54 weeks of eating properly and weight loss, hopefully.         
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 02 April, 2014, 07:48:12 am
Well, somewhat surprisingly this morning's weigh in showed I'm back on track with a 0.6kg drop from last week. It's quite amazing how much it appears to fluctuate (not sire how much of that is due to using scales on carpet at home...) but whatever, the trend is still in the right direction.  I'll also try and emulate Bledlow by exercising more and harder  O:-). Stress at work is generating that comfort eating craving occasionally, but thus far has been resisted, though a couple of chocolate digestives have slipped under the radar at home. A shame my wife has decided she likes them again! Otherwise I'm managing to stick to my revised eating regime, still enjoying everything, just less of it, particularly carbs and mayo.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 04 April, 2014, 02:00:46 pm
I weigh myself when I arrive at work so I have five readings written in my spreadsheet.  This week was unusual normally Wednesday is the heaviest reading.  This week was inverted with Monday and Friday being highest.  I suspect my Birthday celebrations has messed things up with a big midweek meal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 09 April, 2014, 07:34:03 am
slight reversal this week. some bike but no running and client entertaining all Saturday...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 09 April, 2014, 09:21:07 am
Small drop this week. The comfort eating has eased as the stress levels fall a bit and the better weather means more bike time.
Even a full English breakfast on Sunday was balanced by 40 mile round trip to get it.
 After eating it, I decided that I wouldn't be having another for some time ,unless I'm on the bike.
Sometimes you can have too much food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 April, 2014, 11:09:03 am
I'm up this week. I blame the fudge I made on Monday, and the doro wat I also made on Monday, and the roast dinner Feline produced last night.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 09 April, 2014, 05:55:03 pm
I'm up this week. I blame the fudge I made on Monday, and the doro wat I also made on Monday, and the roast dinner Feline produced last night.

That's another reason to do the Old Roads then.....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 April, 2014, 06:44:31 pm
I might be losing (real) weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 10 April, 2014, 09:50:33 am
God, another week with no weight loss. Sigh. I really, really, really need to try harder. I have only done exercise twice this week, always finding a reason not to. This is how I get to 130+kg and I certainly don't want to go there again!

Next week perhaps at least 0.5kg off or there will be no way I will get down to my target by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 April, 2014, 10:07:16 am
God, another week with no weight loss. Sigh. I really, really, really need to try harder. I have only done exercise twice this week, always finding a reason not to. This is how I get to 130+kg and I certainly don't want to go there again!

Next week perhaps at least 0.5kg off or there will be no way I will get down to my target by the end of the year.

Try something simple. For a month - no grains, and no sugar. Lots of fruit and veg, meats (if you're not making life hard for yourself by being veggie) and fish; just no bread, cereal, sugar, cake, biscuits, stuff with added sugar, rice, pasta etc.

Body composition is mostly determined in the kitchen, so don't fret about the exercise; there are lots of good reasons to exercise of course, but losing weight isn't one of them.

Bet you a fiver the fat falls off you :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 April, 2014, 11:03:15 am
there are lots of good reasons to exercise of course, but losing weight isn't one of them.

True. When you consider how much exercise you have to do just to burn a fairly meagre amount of calories...

However, I find exercise can help with weight loss indirectly, just by improving your general sense of well being. I ride my bike and run because it makes me happy and reduces stress. And when I feel happy, I'm less likely to resort to comfort eating and drinking. And I sleep better too, which also makes a big difference.

This may not apply to those who don't enjoy exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 April, 2014, 12:56:34 pm
I am wearing trousers which were a comfortable, loose fit when purchased 2.5 years ago1.
They are HUGELY too big and look like something from a slimming magazine.
Keep going everyone!

1) ICNBA to search my wardrobe (aka 'Narnia') for smaller trews.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 10 April, 2014, 05:50:29 pm
My new phone has a fitbit app, and it's trying to get me to walk 5 miles a day or 10,000 steps. It's quite addictive, I may even go for a stroll after work to log more steps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 April, 2014, 06:13:08 pm
My new phone has a fitbit app, and it's trying to get me to walk 5 miles a day or 10,000 steps. It's quite addictive, I may even go for a stroll after work to log more steps.

fboab and I both have fitbits. We've found them quite motivational. Combined with a more recent addiction to Ingress, the 10000 steps a day is quite achievable. We're quite competitive with each other too - which helps us out of the door on days when we're less keen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 April, 2014, 07:40:41 pm
My wife loves her fitbit. She and her friends get quite competitive about step counts.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 16 April, 2014, 09:31:54 am
I appear to have scoffed my cycling mojo. Apparently it contains a her-yuge number of calories.

:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 23 April, 2014, 07:49:34 am
Ooops - backsliding  :-\   Two v stressful weeks and too much "relaxation" during that period and over Easter weekend. Back on the straight and narrow for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 April, 2014, 09:26:35 am
A couple of weeks away and on goes the weight - up 3kg on a month ago.

There is clearly an annual pattern to this. I'm all enthusiasm at the start of the year and do fairly well and then a combination of old habits and trips away put the diet on hold. I'm sure most people are similar.

One thing I have managed to do is to keep off the booze when I have't got company. I bought some beer at the weekend, knowing that a YACFer fond of ale was due for a visit, but in the end we didn't partake but went out for a curry instead, so the ale is still on the shelf. I have not been tempted by it, at least, not yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 23 April, 2014, 09:37:28 am
Struggling to control the upward trend in my weight this year so far.

It's all psychological as far as I can see. Way too much comfort eating, not enough exercise. Fasting has only just made a return after several months. I'll see if I can stick with it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 23 April, 2014, 09:40:10 am
My resolve with regard to booze, snacks, and cake has held firm and my weight loss has remained steady at about 0.4kg/wk.   I would like it to drop off quicker but to be honest just seeing the weekly loss is worth the effort IMO.   

I have gained two holes on my trouser belts since the turn of the year.  :thumbsup:   
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 23 April, 2014, 12:47:39 pm
A small loss this week - back to where I started April, but still materially lower than after Christmas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 23 April, 2014, 01:35:46 pm
The doc has warned me off any forms of cardio exercise for now - until I've seen the cardiac team in Norwich.

How much walking to burn off a hot-cross bun? HOW MUCH??  :o

ETA: I've got a fasted full lipid panel test tomorrow. Shame I've been lapsing on the LCHF diet :(.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Poly Hive on 25 April, 2014, 01:40:05 pm
We were on the Ferris four hour body diet and did very well up until Xmas. Then it went a bit pear shaped aka we put on weight. Ok so in Jan we went back to the diet and it failed to work the 2nd time around.

My wife suggested trying the Rosemary Conley (yes we know about he financial woes but there is stuff going cheap on her site) and we set sail three and a half weeks ago. oddly (new meds most likely) my wife is barely losing and I am down 15 lbs over the first three weeks taking me to the lowest I achieved on the Ferris one. 12 st 11. To say I am pleased is akin to a turkey being told on the 23d Dec that Crimbo is cancelled. :)

PH

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 26 April, 2014, 11:35:51 pm
Back down a tad but not much! 
I had a really nasty Diabetic problem (Collapsed with Hyperglycaemia) last night though and that really has been a wake up call for me so here goes from now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 28 April, 2014, 12:47:15 pm
I had my first under 80Kg measurement for a while this morning  :)  Not sure why I though I had a quiet weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 30 April, 2014, 07:04:35 am
A little bit down again. Feels like direction has been restored if not pace of weight loss. Also, losing it slowly and consistently makes it feel more 'permanent'.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 30 April, 2014, 11:03:35 am
A slight movement, but back in the right direction. have to cut back on the "cheese & olives with a kir" post work relaxation!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 April, 2014, 05:55:26 pm
I can report that I have not lost any weight, nor gained any, since I CBA to do either.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 01 May, 2014, 03:51:54 pm
Blimey, I am more stuck than a stuck thing with additional glue stuck to it!

Must try harder....after tonights take away.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on 01 May, 2014, 04:06:45 pm
After an initial bout of 1kg a week weight loss in January and early February, I have remained pretty much static in the last couple of months. However, I have been working reasonably hard with walking, swimming, gym and most recently Pilates. The net effect of which seems to be a transfer of waist bulk back towards where it belongs on my legs (I am now a 29" waist when I was 32" at the start of the year).

The only problem is that none of my trousers fit me properly anymore. While a belt stops comedy pant-drops in the street, they do tend to hang rather like a surly teenager, which is a look that doesn't work will on a middle aged chap. Still, it gives me an opportunity to drag my wardrobe kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 May, 2014, 05:36:27 pm
Still, it gives me an opportunity to drag my wardrobe kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

Good luck with that!

<rant>

David's experience with attempting to purchase trousers for his 29" waist at M&S ended with TOTAL FAIL.

Due to vanity sizing, their trousers marked 30" fit a 32" waist.
Smaller sized trousers, where available, did not accommodate his muscular (though not enormous) thighs.

Giraffe has had problems buying trousers that allow him to sit and walk.

21st century clothing seems to be designed for 21st century man - fat, flabby or both.

I hope you can find trousers that fit, stay up when you stand and permit sitting, walking and cycling. This appears a tall order for my man, who has a 29" waist and is 5'9" tall, with a 31" inner leg (Mr Average, in slim).

<rant over>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 01 May, 2014, 06:05:26 pm
Yes, many years ago I had a pair of 29/34 trousers that fitted me better than anything since, and certainly I've not seen that size in any shops for a long time!

rather embarrasingly, in the same era, I once questioned who actualyl wore the 38 inch waist trousers I saw in the shops only to cause offence to a mor corpulent colleague. since then I too have visited the 38 inch waist rail, although the realisation that I couldn't in anyway fit the next size down was a part of what made me serious about losing some weight again. It's a right beggar, the way it sticks eh.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashaman42 on 01 May, 2014, 06:53:58 pm
I've got some slim fit chinos from Primark that seem to fit pretty well, admittedly I'm size W32L30 but they do do a 26 and a 28 in that length too, along with other cuts, such as boot and skinny. Though of course that does mean resorting to Primark.

Anywhoo I mostly came here to shake my head at myself - complains I'm turning into a bloater, proceeds to stop at the shops on the way home and buy moar ale  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 02 May, 2014, 09:45:19 pm
Not changed at all this week, better than an increase I suppose!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 May, 2014, 12:22:55 pm
I am still the same weight as at the start of the year but had huge cankles at the time of weighing last night.
I think I may be minimally less fat but have little objective evidence for this though my hips may have been down to 101cm this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 May, 2014, 03:14:44 pm
My weight this morning started with a 7 for the first time in ages. Been creeping up for the last month due to stress-related comfort eating and drinking. Need to get back on top of this, especially with the Brimstone 600 just three weeks away.

The good news is that now I don't have a job, I'll have plenty of time for exercise... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Poly Hive on 06 May, 2014, 05:40:25 pm
TKMax have quite a lot of smaller waist breeks...

I am the lowest I have been for forty years. Just lost 19 lbs in 28 days. :)

PH
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 07 May, 2014, 07:12:03 am
My weight this morning started with a 7 for the first time in ages. Been creeping up for the last month due to stress-related comfort eating and drinking. Need to get back on top of this, especially with the Brimstone 600 just three weeks away.

The good news is that now I don't have a job, I'll have plenty of time for exercise... :facepalm:

Best to have a positive attitude. Make the most of the time and I hope that you'll be gainfully engaged again as soon as you need, but with enough of a break for you to enjoy it without coming under too much pressure.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 07 May, 2014, 07:12:37 am
Another 0.4kg. Slow and steady, but hopefully long term.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 May, 2014, 12:58:37 pm
I'm thinking of starting a Weight Gain Discussion Thread as everything I have to report is off-topic.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 08 May, 2014, 05:57:47 pm
I'm thinking of starting a Weight Gain Discussion Thread as everything I have to report is off-topic.

I might join you there. :-\

4kg in a week! :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on 08 May, 2014, 06:16:12 pm
It seems a bit shit that three weeks of dealing with bastard Estate Agents and huge amounts of stress have lost me more weight than eating carefully and doing shit loads of spinning classes did, but I weighed myself at the docs today and apparently it has. Unfortunately the Bastard Estate Agent diet is neither pleasant, healthy nor sustainable.

We are going away shortly which will involve a chunk of time in New York. I have already made several restaurant reservations. I fear the losses from the BEA diet will be short-lived, though I have to keep an eye on things via email while we're away so they will probably manage to work their evil from afar  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 08 May, 2014, 10:14:46 pm
up over 2kg in a Week! This is not good :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2014, 11:48:31 pm
up over 2kg in a Week! This is not good :hand:

As I have posted previously, it is not usually possible to gain 2kg of fat in a week. 2kg fat represents around 16,000 excess Calories. You would need to eat over 2,000 excess Calories every day ie twice a normal diet.

Most of the weight is likely to be water tied up with glycogen.
This is easily lost once you get back to eating a sensible reducing diet.

IIRC Gandalf recorded some pretty dramatic weight swings round Christmas. They were temporary.

It is really important to ignore 'temporary blips' like this and continuing with your weight loss plan. It's a long haul and months of perseverance are needed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: arabella on 10 May, 2014, 05:24:24 pm
Anyone else read last week's new scientist?  It clarifies just why BMI is not so meaningful and that overall health is more than just weight.
I'm starting to veer to my friend's view that you acquire an extra 5kg at age 40 and then another few at age 45.  What I eat seems to make no difference to the base weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 May, 2014, 06:04:57 pm
I am a month off 56 and weigh as much as I did in the run-up to my A Levels.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 10 May, 2014, 06:48:29 pm
I'm thinking of starting a Weight Gain Discussion Thread as everything I have to report is off-topic.

I might join you there. :-\

4kg in a week! :o

Fortunately, 3+ of them have gone again. Still 0.6kg up, but given how much I've been eating, that's about right. :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 11 May, 2014, 07:25:32 am
up over 2kg in a Week! This is not good :hand:

Get these.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/390711031865?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0

2 kg of fat on an 80 kg man is 2.5%, which is about 3mm increase of the Suprailiac fold.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 May, 2014, 12:15:30 pm
My weight has not changed since New Year.  :(
Mum says I look thinner in the face.
There seems to be less fat on my forearms.
At least I'm not gaining weight.

I kid myself I could be losing fat...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 12 May, 2014, 01:56:59 pm
My weight seems stuck too. My trousers fell down on Saturday so something has changed. This morning I dressed in Italian bike clothing size L rather than last weeks and last few years favoured size XL. I expected the bib short straps to bend me double but they were fine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 14 May, 2014, 11:21:43 am
Another 0.4kg. Would like a dramatic change, but I keep telling myself little by little is the best way to go.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 16 May, 2014, 11:08:51 pm
I seem to be down to 79kg.

When I last weighed myself, a few months ago, it was a stable 85kg.

How much of this is attributable to Long Itch Lurgy I'm not sure, but probably too much.   :-\

What's the nominal capacity of a digestive system anyway?  *recalls Zev doubling her body mass in 24 hours*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 May, 2014, 11:37:57 pm
I don't know the answer to Kim's question but would suggest reweighing in 10 days' time when the gut and fluids will have normalised.
You can't realistically gain more than about 1kg of FAT in that time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 16 May, 2014, 11:44:33 pm
Indeed, and certainly not at the level of appetite that I currently have.

Googling around found 11 litres as a figure (with no good citations), which sounds plausible.  Presumably plusminus a litre or two of stomach contents and the mass of a good poo.  And whatever other fluids you're storing up elsewhere.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 20 May, 2014, 11:13:54 am
But what does the Skinfold tests say?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 21 May, 2014, 06:31:11 am
Another 0.5kg, which is a bit of a surprise really as yesterday was a bit of a heavy eating day.

Hey ho.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 22 May, 2014, 11:55:37 pm
Managed to shift 0.8kg this week so it's back in the right direction and I have finally managed to persuade myself to take the Obesity problem seriously. I  actually gained over 9 stones in 4 years and have kept it level at that for the past 9 years with minor variations.
As of NOW. Every Wednesday that I weigh myself and have not lost a minimum of 1.8kg I will put a £1.00 coin in the cancer care Poor Box.
This is a strong motivator cos I is from Yorkshire innit and we love money like dwarfs love Glod!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 23 May, 2014, 11:33:08 am
I'm closing in on a target that I have been striving to achieve, albeit with significantly less determination for about six years.   The trend is in the right direction, the losses consistent, the body gradually morphing into something like I was in 2008.   3.4kgs to go which is 9 weeks at current loss rates ...

I have a comfy and much worn pair of Craghopper Bear Gryls shorts which I can now pull on with the buttons and fly already fastened.   A belt is most definitely required.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 23 May, 2014, 11:42:28 am
Off to buy a new pair of scales later as these ones seem to be broken...well I have stayed the same weight for the last couple of months. Must be something to do with Hookes Law.....*

It can't be my fault can it  :facepalm:




* And yes, I know the scales being electronic won't be troubled by Hookes Law.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 23 May, 2014, 12:11:37 pm
I haven't been around these parts much recently.

However, I did a couple of things
a) gave up my terrible diet coke/*insert all other fizzy pop and squash etc drinks here* habit. I also gave up caffeinated coffee and only drink decaff and water. Removing pepsi max from my life was one of the hardest things ever but I'm now clear of it.
b) I became vegan

Something worked, not sure what. Any time cookies, chocolate, cakes are in the office, I'm not even remotely tempted by them. I don't want them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bledlow on 23 May, 2014, 12:45:38 pm
... I'll also try and emulate Bledlow by exercising more and harder ...
Not emulating me. Illness has kept my exercise levels down to depressingly low levels lately, & that means I have to remember to eat less. But my trousers have got tighter.  :(

I need a new immune system.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 May, 2014, 01:59:14 pm
I seem to be on a plateau, though I have not been weighed recently.
I can't really grumble...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Poly Hive on 23 May, 2014, 02:14:42 pm
We have switched to the Rosemary Conley system and I am losing on plan and the beloved is staying the same but is on meds which have the side effect of weight gain so effectively she is "losing". I am the lightest for some- cough- 35 years. Now sub 12 st 10 and heading by my next weigh day for sub 12-7. I can see as a genuine prospect being sub 12 st which I was last at 17 or so. I am 60 in a few months so to say I am pleased is putting it mildly. Cue fanfare and champers!

PH
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2014, 03:05:17 pm
Should be compulsory reading:

triathlon.competitor.com/2014/04/nutrition/5-signs-diet-diet-cult_98094

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 May, 2014, 08:52:53 pm
If you describe your diet as 'low junk', does that make it a cult?  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 23 May, 2014, 10:05:05 pm
If you describe your diet as 'low junk', does that make it a cult?  ;)

Yes. Very much YES.

Generally, I eat a real food diet. Meat, veg, fruit (in that order). People think it's a fad diet because it's (consequentially) high fat, low carb; and doesn't appear on the "approved" list of NHS diets. Bizarrely, Weight Watchers does which allows you to eat doughnuts if you "have the points". Weight watchers is the Carbon Offset fraud of the dietary world.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 24 May, 2014, 08:48:41 am
I do know a few people that have done really well with WW. But all those fake WW cake things you see in the supermarkets- lemon slices, choc brownies all about 100 calories- they look horrible, kind of like eating air with artificial flavouring. They look really unsatisfying. I have a really sweet tooth but even I would rather eat a banana for the calories, they just look a total waste.

I'm now getting a few 'don't take it any further' comments. I can't get used to being called skinny, it feels a bit weird. Slightly ironic really as I haven't been healthy enough to do any exercise in about a month, and that's the time the weight has just dropped off really quickly!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 24 May, 2014, 10:24:16 am
unfortunately I have rather slipped up for the last few weeks, hotel breakfast, sandwich and rolos for lunch and a restaurant meal in the evening has resulted in a significant weight gain. I am back up to 12st 10lb from 12st 2lb 4 weeks ago.

I blame working away from home but realise I need to get back to what worked at the start of the time away, namely cooked breakfast at 7am, no lunch and a restaurant meal at 7pm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 24 May, 2014, 10:27:39 am
I do know a few people that have done really well with WW. But all those fake WW cake things you see in the supermarkets- lemon slices, choc brownies all about 100 calories- they look horrible, kind of like eating air with artificial flavouring. They look really unsatisfying. I have a really sweet tooth but even I would rather eat a banana for the calories, they just look a total waste.
They are much as you describe. When I was doing WW seriously we didn't bother, but people have bought them for me at work and the like. I would far rather have one decent cake as a real treat, once a month than those things every day or week.
WW is all a question of budgeting. And one should always budget the luxuries first. (Or at least, those treats you really would find life pretty poor without. In my case it was beer.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 24 May, 2014, 11:11:14 am
Yes, when I did WW very successfully (I lost 8st 2lbs in 10 months, and kept it off for five years, although 3 stone has reappeared since then), it worked very well to retrain me to budget for the nice things. So yes, I did have doughnuts, but I knew that if I had one then I couldn't have some other stuff and over time I found I wanted the fruit more than the unhealthy stuff. And the WW-brand low-fat foods didn't taste good after a while so I was able to do without them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 24 May, 2014, 11:18:46 am
I've found that too AH. Since I don't even have anything as 'treats', I seem to crave fruit more than chocolate. Instead of wanting it all the time but denying myself it, I'm not really interested now!

Although subconsciously maybe it's just that I'm much preferring being a size 6-8 now instead of my usual 10-12
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 May, 2014, 11:22:00 am
I've lost 1kg in the last week presumably because I rode over 700km over the weekend. I'm monitoring my calorie intake ATM and going to read the Diet Cults book once I've finished reading Michael Hurchinson's brilliant 'faster'.

I've got Matt Fitzgerald's cookbook. Many of his recipes would not look out of place in a paleo cookbook, but he rejects that philosophy because it's unscientific, and many recipes would clearly not make a paleo or low carb advocate happy. For example, I made his pearl barley and tomato soup. It was /very/ filling and had a low calorie content. I watched a youtube interview (quite long, 40 minutes) yesterday where he argued that human evolution has been all about dietary adaptability and we have the ability to thrive on a huge range of diets as a result. Which is why the Inuit (high fat, high protein, low carb), and the Tukisenta (94% carb) both exist. What differs between the Tukisenta carb source (sweet potato) and a doughnut is quality.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 May, 2014, 03:29:54 pm
Yesterday weighed in at 73.6kg. This is getting close to where I was a year ago in the build-up to LEL.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 27 May, 2014, 07:58:39 pm
I've not been here since February ish. I've not lost any of my Christmas weight. I've not added, but I can't lose it. I've been stuck between 10st 6 and 10st 8 all year. My cycling is at the Peak now given the longer days and I am watching what I am eating, to no avail.

I know that I could start running and the weight would fall off, but I love my knees to much to risk undoing 2 years of absence.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 28 May, 2014, 08:57:47 am
Up 1 Kg today, but some sort of of stomach last couple of days so hopefully will all 'clear' itself quickly!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 28 May, 2014, 01:12:04 pm
Back under 70kg today. Hurrah! I've let my standards slip lately but I really need get back on track. I had been hoping to get down from 67kg to 64kg by the time of the Brimstone 600 but I was actually nearer 71kg. I'm sure that extra ballast is part of the reason I DNFed. Not only that but I suspect my stomach problems on the ride were considerably exacerbated by my relatively unhealthy lifestyle over the last couple of months. Ho hum.

I've now got until September to get down to my target weight before the hilly trail marathon I'm running then...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 May, 2014, 06:47:27 pm
Up.
This is due to a week in a pub with nice meals (the cheese board was so tempting).
Trouble is I'm back there next week and the week after...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 30 May, 2014, 10:31:52 pm
Down 8kg in 15 days, courtesy a liver & blood infection. Lost a lot of muscle too, though...I can now pinch the skin on my calf, which I haven't been able to do for years..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 May, 2014, 11:00:14 pm
Down 8kg in 15 days, courtesy a liver & blood infection. Lost a lot of muscle too, though...I can now pinch the skin on my calf, which I haven't been able to do for years..

Get Well Soon!

Your weight loss is only partly fat. (The rest is water, glycogen, muscle and more.)
Don't expect to be 'bouncing like Tigger' until you have regained around 5.5kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 03 June, 2014, 11:33:35 am
I dropped 4kg in 8 days recently, but I wouldn't recommend the method (it involved a craniotomy, which left me in no condition to eat much).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 04 June, 2014, 08:46:00 am
Right, after a month of stress and comfort eating, plus a long weekend away eating out, I've finally halted the drift back upwards and managed 0.4kg back in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 04 June, 2014, 09:32:31 am
I went the other way by 0.5kg, which considering how little thought I've given to my diet this week is better than I feared it could be :-\

I have a routine appointment at the doctors next month where among other things they will weigh me, so I now have a target. Time to concentrate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 04 June, 2014, 09:37:14 am
Same here. WORK has taken precedence over all other things unfortunately and weight has not been an issue.
Thankfully ,I have not gained weight and the diet  quality is good with plenty of salads. BUT the weight goal is just as far away, so probably need to start using livestrong app more seriously.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 10 June, 2014, 11:57:09 pm
So I've been moaning and feeling sorry for myself a lot recently, more than the normal level of whinge!
In about 8 minutes it's Wednesday and I have neglected to do it for a few weeks so I will go upside the poor Bathroom Scales and start again.
I am pretty screwed for physical stuff at the moment so a few short rides and Dietary Discipline (Hah!) are the only weapons I can fight with. Luckily my brother, Sprogs, is well versed in the art of food preparation for a sensible diet and has said he will take over my diet totally, all I have to do is eat what he tells me and, if he doesn't tell me to eat it I don't eat it. I am not allowed to buy food unless instructed and my addiction to the Pringles has to go "Cold Turkey" from now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 June, 2014, 07:12:32 pm
Good luck, pd.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 June, 2014, 07:14:18 pm
I'm starting a new job on Monday that will involve an 11 mile cycle commute each way. I'm hoping this kick starts a downward trend in my weight...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 June, 2014, 09:13:57 pm
No recent weights to report.
There might be a centimetre off my hips.
Progress is slow but I tightened my bum bag a LONG way and a friend noticed I'd lost weight.

The kidology continues.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 11 June, 2014, 10:24:57 pm
We've had a nightmare 3 weeks and I was 88.8kgs this morning - gained 1.5 from 3 weeks ago. Part was after entertaining last night, but very frustrated and no end in sight to excess work demands from an increasingly unreasonable boss
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 12 June, 2014, 01:16:48 pm
My weight spiked on Wednesday at 81.4Kg.  Today it returned to its usual weight of 80.6kg.  It seems that the recording day is always my weekly peak.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 June, 2014, 04:21:31 pm
I’m 1.5kg down today compared to yesterday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 June, 2014, 10:12:32 am
My hip circumference seems yet another centimetre down though my waist is unchanged.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 16 June, 2014, 08:28:46 pm
Well it's the wrong time of day, and I'm probably a good litre down on hydration after tonight's ride, but just weighed myself and I was just under 18st, for the first time in probably 10 years :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 June, 2014, 01:15:48 am
Bloody hell, Mcshroom, you are wasting away! You are almost a stone lighter than I am at the moment!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 18 June, 2014, 06:37:37 am
0.6kg down on last week, but still no sign on time to ride/run as I'd like. Problem I have is that I manage the diet better when I'm exercising and less stressed, but very badly when stressed and not exercising. There's a part of me that, very clearly, thinks 'blow it, no point in not eating that if I can't even get out in the evening.'

Away on a residential course now for 2 nights, that'll be good then...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 18 June, 2014, 06:51:45 am
Bloody hell, Mcshroom, you are wasting away! You are almost a stone lighter than I am at the moment!
Not quite so good when fully hydrated, but still 1.2kg down on last week. :)

Off on tour with the choir this week so I'm going to have to be careful with the hotel food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 18 June, 2014, 09:14:06 am
Well done to the losers this week :)

I've lost a teeny bit more- it's hard to know where to stop. Some people are telling me I need to stop, but then people always say that who don't realise how much difference extra weight can make when racing.....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 18 June, 2014, 11:56:31 am
I managed to drop a small amount, 0.5kg, this week. Not unhappy with that as I have done very little walking or riding.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 23 June, 2014, 08:55:21 am
I made a semi-decision a couple of years back not to worry aBout my weight overly. I am too heavy, have always been so except for a couple of years when I did WeightWatchers properly. My default body size seems to be a ladies 18. I have few vices (have never smoked or drunk alcohol, eat relatively fresh food, keep active) and you have to have some pleasures in life - like cake and chocolate.

However I have been indulging in the chocolate biscuits rather (I live 2 miles from the chocolate factory in Kempen which has a cheap shop attached) and I just stood on the scales here at home and I am up 7kg. I think I need to stop the biscuits. Cake I only have when riding in Germany so I don't think that's so much of a problem.

I was wondering why my clothes felt a bit tighter than they should!

So I will just attempt to not have biscuits and see where that gets me. And maybe ride a bit more too, as I am behind my target.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 25 June, 2014, 09:19:08 am
Another 0.5kg this week. Considering I was on holiday most of the week and was less strict about the food this is a little surprising (but welcome) :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 June, 2014, 02:07:52 pm
I am getting nowhere!
I could blame my cankles.
I could say my wrists look thinner.
I could say my hip circumference is less than it's been for decades.
I could say I don't really need to lose weight.
I could say I am eating the right amounts of 'all the right things' and only tiny portions of the 'wrong things'.
I could say I'm getting nowhere...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 28 June, 2014, 08:52:02 am
Well done to the losers this week :)

I've lost a teeny bit more- it's hard to know where to stop. Some people are telling me I need to stop, but then people always say that who don't realise how much difference extra weight can make when racing.....
You will know when to stop. If I drop below 10st I feel very weak on the bike. My "optimum" range is between 10st and 10st 4lbs. I'm 5'9".

I'm back on the wagon properly. I tipped 10st 10lbs last Saturday. So I downloaded myfitnesspal app and I am having to consume less than 1820 calories a day to lose my target of a 1lb a week.

Lost 3lbs this week. Calories in, calories out seems to work very well for me and a diary is the only way I stay disciplined.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 28 June, 2014, 08:52:24 am
I'd like to join this thread as everything was very tight 2 weeks ago, I blame increased cycling for 2 months then eating the same amount when a forced decrease in cycling occurred.  However, I have bitten the bullet and gone back to healthy eating.  The result so far is 2k lighter.  Hoping to lose another 7k by September.  Especially as I can now get back to building distance and endurance.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 29 June, 2014, 02:07:05 am

You will know when to stop. If I drop below 10st I feel very weak on the bike. My "optimum" range is between 10st and 10st 4lbs. I'm 5'9".



We must be rather different builds.  I'm 5'8" and if I go  below 10st 10lbs I look (and feel) on the verge of anorexia.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 June, 2014, 01:34:13 pm

You will know when to stop. If I drop below 10st I feel very weak on the bike. My "optimum" range is between 10st and 10st 4lbs. I'm 5'9".



We must be rather different builds.  I'm 5'8" and if I go  below 10st 10lbs I look (and feel) on the verge of anorexia.

Build affects how fit you are for a given weight, as does the speed and reason that weight is lost.
I had pneumonia a very long time ago and my weight plummeted from 11st to about 10st 3lb.

I *knew* I wouldn't feel well and fit until I weighed 10st 10lb and did not.

I'm 10 stone now, still attempting to lose fat and feel fine.

Body measurements and skinfold thickness are possibly more useful than crude weight.

I have got my hips down to 40" (101cm), which is less than I've been for decades; that's still BIG by many standards but mostly reflects the way I am built.
My waist is down to 28"/71cm; that's fairly trim but could lose another 2 inches/5cm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 June, 2014, 05:03:51 pm

You will know when to stop. If I drop below 10st I feel very weak on the bike. My "optimum" range is between 10st and 10st 4lbs. I'm 5'9".



We must be rather different builds.  I'm 5'8" and if I go  below 10st 10lbs I look (and feel) on the verge of anorexia.

I'm 5'8" and was a welterweight, < 10 1/2 st. ( 66.7 kg ).

29" waist. 40" chest. 3 x 3 min rounds and knackered.

Now I'm 32" waist, 42" chest, 13 st 10lb and ride a bike 200 km in a day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 29 June, 2014, 07:57:25 pm
We must be rather different builds.  I'm 5'8" and if I go  below 10st 10lbs I look (and feel) on the verge of anorexia.
Yup. I've got mountain goat build.

My Dad, who also cycles is 5'7" and is currently weighing in at 9st 10lbs. He has a very physical job as a butcher as well.

I am generally a 30" waist and 34" chest when it comes to suit jackets and a 14 and half " neck.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on 29 June, 2014, 10:02:17 pm
Ah, definitely a different build then.  For my chest to go down to 34", somebody would have to take a hammer to my ribs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 05 July, 2014, 08:41:35 pm
2 week weigh in. 10st 5.4lbs. Total lost so far 4.6lbs.

It's amazing as you eat less, your body craves food even less. A great way of resetting my metabolism and hunger signs.

Finding keeping to a 1820 calories a day diet fairly easy to stick too. Just means I cannot snack which probably highlights the problem I had over the past 9 months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 09 July, 2014, 09:59:29 am
I have a pair of these

http://www.karrimor.com/karrimor-aspen-convertible-trousers-mens-441028?colcode=44102804

which I have been unable to wear for approx. 3 years,maybe more, due to too much jogler-in-the-middle

until this morning.
I tried them on j.i.c. & am pleasantly surprised that they are actually comfortable around the waist :thumbsup:

I haven't been dieting per se but have lately reduced the amount of bread,biscuits & crisps eaten.
The chocolate consumption has marginally increased & the cake scoffing remains as it should be given Marj's talent & habits in the baking department.

So I reckon the result is due to the lot more exercise I've "treated" myself to over the last 3 months which is largely tandem, & more recently commuting onna bike, related: & a little more walking.

At the risk of being immodest I'm feelimg a little  :smug:

eta the scales tell me that I've lost only 1.5kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 11 July, 2014, 12:53:56 pm
A few weeks ago my size L cycling shirts were a snug fit.  They held my belly in place and I could look in the mirror and smile.  Now a little weight has gone on its summer holiday. I noticed that the cycling shirt is now a tidy loose fit.  It lightly outlines the real shape of my tummy and makes me look a lot worse than I used to. I don't want the truth I want lies from my clothes. If I really want to look fat all I need to do is tighten my belt from the comfortable 34" hole to the 32" which is not comfortable.  My waist spills over the side of my trousers showing my true obesity.

Now that I have made myself feel fat again I should continue to control my eating and gently improve things.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 July, 2014, 01:59:23 pm
I'm back on the Keto wagon again - have been for about a month. Losing a steady Kg a week, without much in the way of exercise, but I'm starting to get some riding in again now.

BP is coming down too.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 11 July, 2014, 03:09:46 pm
So are you feeling ok again now Chris? Are you able to ride ok and stuff?

I lost a bit more weight, but it was too far I think. I'm going to put a bit back on, I got too thin (NEVER thought I'd say that lol, although it was illness assisted) I don't think I'm really meant to be less than a size 8, even that is smaller than my body wants to be- so I'm going to try and stay there. Still vegan happy (you would LOVE this diet Chris ;) )

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 11 July, 2014, 03:42:43 pm
I'm down 11kg / 24lbs since Christmas.  My plan was always around a pound a week so, despite some up/down fluctuations it's stayed pretty much on track.

More importantly I suppose, my BP has dropped from an average of about 128/80 to a more respectable 115/73.

120/80 is the high end of normal so it wasn't serious before but I'm not complaining about it being below the top limit.

I'll be happy with another 14 pounds as long as I can keep it there and not treat it as "mission accomplished" and start pigging-out again.  I know it will be a lifetime of self-control.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 July, 2014, 04:53:18 pm
More importantly I suppose, my BP has dropped from an average of about 128/80 to a more respectable 115/73.

120/80 is the high end of normal so it wasn't serious before but I'm not complaining about it being below the top limit.

Having a hospital treadmill test stopped early by a doctor when my BP reached 260/90 puts "normal" into perspective I guess. FWIW, my resting BP is generally 130/80 area; "Prehypertensive" is their description.

So are you feeling ok again now Chris? Are you able to ride ok and stuff?

I'm OK, thanks for asking Lady C, just how OK we'll find out on Sunday when we attempt a 200; first randonnee since Yr Elenydd  :o.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 11 July, 2014, 05:09:32 pm
Hope it all goes ok and drama free :) Can't even remember the last one I managed to do!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 12 July, 2014, 07:29:45 am
Checking in again. Another good week, another 2lbs lost. Down to 10st 3lbs, only 3lbs from target. Amazed that I lost 7lbs in 3 weeks with just calorie counting and cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 16 July, 2014, 07:02:29 am
7lbs down now in one month with sensible eating and upping the cycling.
Still a long way to go but my aim of 21lb gone by September looks reachable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JennyB on 16 July, 2014, 09:27:20 am
I'm on a plateau of 90.x kg since the start of May. It's a big improvement on the 108 kg I was this time last year.   :thumbsup:

But the last time I was this weight (about ten years ago) I thought I was TOO FAT.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 July, 2014, 02:38:18 pm
I have not been weighed recently.
My measurements are static so my weight is probably static too.
I will keep on eating 'sensibly' and not very much.
I console myself with being thinner than most crips I see on the the Meeja, many on yacf and most of Blobby Britain.
A BMI of 23 might be as good as I can get.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 17 July, 2014, 02:44:41 pm
A week of ignoring dieting has resulted in going a little the wrong way. Need to get out walking more as cycling is off the menu atm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on 17 July, 2014, 05:00:37 pm
One armed turbo training?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 July, 2014, 05:02:48 pm
One armed turbo training?

Face pyjama! (http://facepyjamas.org/whatisfp.html)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 July, 2014, 05:06:24 pm
The nice thing about dieting when unable to exercise is the lack of 'bonk' type symptoms.
The nasty side is having to eat MUCH LESS of everything and living with very little CAEK & chocolate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 17 July, 2014, 05:07:34 pm
Especially when you have a tendency to comfort eat and to eat when bored :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 July, 2014, 05:16:25 pm
Don't beat yourself up but make it a little awkward to eat 'naughty' foods.
Keep them in closed packages or containers, out of sight and out of reach.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on 17 July, 2014, 06:29:02 pm
One armed turbo training?

Face pyjama! (http://facepyjamas.org/whatisfp.html)

That's almost a Meaning of Liff entry - I'm always noticing these, but had no idea there was a term for it, let alone a website.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 17 July, 2014, 08:43:05 pm
Weight has been a struggle over last couple of months - not going anywhere really. I looked at my mileage - combining running and riding -  and from May there is a clear fall in weekly training, which is sufficient to account for mass stability. Really driven by falling staff numbers at work and traveling all over the country for meetings. Having a few events and a plan to target will hopefully get me moving a bit more again, plus a does of determination (aka going out for a quick run/spin even if it is 10pm when I get time to do it)

Looking forward to losing the next 10kgs!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 22 July, 2014, 06:21:48 am
Another check in and 2.5lb down this week so 9.5 in total.  I was pretty good on the food front and laid off sugar, bread and pasta. I also had my day off diet  where I eat whatever I feel like. So my target of 21lbs is looking more achievable
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 23 July, 2014, 09:01:57 am
A little bit off this week and working hard to balance work, food, exercise and life... but feeling positive about the net few weeks. A holiday coming up helps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 23 July, 2014, 09:37:57 am
Steady fall in weight continues. I'm in week 7 of strict Keto and down about 5Kg. Back on the bike, but riding slow - loss of fitness and doc's orders not to push hard. Feeling good actually - lots of steady energy, sleeping well, BP normal more often than not  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 23 July, 2014, 11:00:52 am
Well done, Chris. I wish I had something so positive to report. The best I can say is that my weight isn't rising any further. Steady at a bit over 71kg at the moment. Really need to shed some weight before the marathon(s) in September. I intend to have a dry August to see if that makes a difference.

Something else that might make a difference is how I'm recording my exercise stats. I've been using Tapiriik to automagically sync my Garmin with Myfitnesspal via Runkeeper, but Tapiriik seems to have stopped working, so I've reverted to syncing via Endomondo, uploading rides manually.

Interestingly, a ride uploaded to mfp via Endomondo comes out at not much more than half the calories than the same ride uploaded to mfp via Runkeeper. Now, I knew the Runkeeper figures were on the high side, so I've been taking that into account when assessing my calorie allowances on mfp, but it will be harder to lie to myself using the Endomondo figures! I'm guessing the truth is somewhere between the two figures, but using the Endomondo figures as a guide is more likely to lead to weight loss...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: IanN on 23 July, 2014, 12:55:27 pm
The wheels have really fallen off since Easter.  :(
From my triumphant dip into normal BMI somewhere upthread , I am now back to my new year high point.

A distinct lack of non-commute cycling is not helping.

Bah. Onwards and upwards! Or downwards.

(I am without a kitchen for the next 2 weeks or so. That could could be good (salad) or bad (chips, take away curry, pizza). Any guesses as to likely outcome?  ;))
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 July, 2014, 04:41:20 pm
Salad might be too fiddly if you don't have a kitchen, unless you're buying ready-made.
Indulge in fresh soft fruits; they're cheap right now, not to high in Calories and rather delicious...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 24 July, 2014, 06:49:12 am
Bah!

So 18 weeks away from home Mon-Friday with Hotel breakfasts and restaurant meals has put me back up where I started the year. The fact it hasn't gone higher is only due to discipline regards a light lunch or even no lunch.

I do look forward to seeing home this weeks Ramadan imposed restrictions of no breakfast*, only water till the evening and then a proper meal has.

* It's hard enough being up at 06:30 for the lift to the office without having to be up at 05:00 just to eat before sun rise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 July, 2014, 09:53:03 am
I think those who observe Ramadan have to eat earlier than Audax o'clock!
ISTR it was nearer 2am earlier in the month.
No recent weights.
Hips down to 100cm, which is what they were when I was a Lean Teen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 24 July, 2014, 01:22:45 pm
However I am currently on the tropic of cancer in Oman and sunset is about 7:30 pm so Sunrise would be somewhere around 4:30am, not that I am awake then.

Also the restaurants don't start serving till sun down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 July, 2014, 02:03:15 pm
Aah that's a bit different!
Ramadan in Britain will be even more difficult next year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 24 July, 2014, 08:28:30 pm
Well done, Chris. I wish I had something so positive to report. The best I can say is that my weight isn't rising any further. Steady at a bit over 71kg at the moment. Really need to shed some weight before the marathon(s) in September. I intend to have a dry August to see if that makes a difference.

Something else that might make a difference is how I'm recording my exercise stats. I've been using Tapiriik to automagically sync my Garmin with Myfitnesspal via Runkeeper, but Tapiriik seems to have stopped working, so I've reverted to syncing via Endomondo, uploading rides manually.

Interestingly, a ride uploaded to mfp via Endomondo comes out at not much more than half the calories than the same ride uploaded to mfp via Runkeeper. Now, I knew the Runkeeper figures were on the high side, so I've been taking that into account when assessing my calorie allowances on mfp, but it will be harder to lie to myself using the Endomondo figures! I'm guessing the truth is somewhere between the two figures, but using the Endomondo figures as a guide is more likely to lead to weight loss...
If you use Strava, you can direct the myfitnesspal app to automatically link with Strava so that activites get included without you doing anything.

Still 10st 3lbs here. I'm basically at my target so I am not in particular watching my diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 24 July, 2014, 08:40:20 pm
Ooh! That's new - MFP linking with Strava, I mean. Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 25 July, 2014, 12:24:49 pm
It seems that the graphs have not been updated for more than a month.  Perhaps someone who is on good terms with Simon could give him a polite nudge so if he is well and not busy he can solve the problem. Thank you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 July, 2014, 12:28:24 pm
I think you might find that Simon is out on his bicycle right now;
yacf member goes cycling SHOCK! HORROR!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 25 July, 2014, 12:50:03 pm
Good
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: IanN on 26 July, 2014, 03:31:03 pm
Salad might be too fiddly if you don't have a kitchen, unless you're buying ready-made.
Indulge in fresh soft fruits; they're cheap right now, not to high in Calories and rather delicious...

Good call. (Supporting my local independent greengrocer...) peaches and plums are in season and cheap.
And a shower head with colander makes a very good salad washer!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 July, 2014, 03:34:13 pm
Salad might be too fiddly if you don't have a kitchen, unless you're buying ready-made.
Indulge in fresh soft fruits; they're cheap right now, not to high in Calories and rather delicious...

Good call. (Supporting my local independent greengrocer...) peaches and plums are in season and cheap.
And a shower head with colander makes a very good salad washer!

Enjoy but beware laxative effects of excess!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Glover Fan on 26 July, 2014, 10:12:30 pm
That's me done. Hit 10st 1lb this morning. 12.8% body fat, down from 14% six weeks ago. Ready for hillclimb season now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 July, 2014, 08:49:11 pm
I think you might find that Simon is out on his bicycle right now;
yacf member goes cycling SHOCK! HORROR!

Graphs updated.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 28 July, 2014, 12:09:56 pm
If you use Strava, you can direct the myfitnesspal app to automatically link with Strava so that activites get included without you doing anything.

Even better, I've just discovered that MyFitnessPal now syncs directly with Garmin Connect. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 30 July, 2014, 10:28:43 am
Well I've been off the wagon for over a month, not bothering to diet at all, or take particular care over what I eat. A fair bit of cycling (including some cuycle camping), but no audaxing since May's DNF 300. My weight has risen, but only by around 700g, small enough to be a normal fluctuation.

So that's not a huge concern, but distribution of weight is a little bit more worrying. Haven't measured my waist yet but anecdotally, Mrs crowriver has noticed my midriff seems to have expanded. Just measured my waist, it has grown by a whopping 7cm!  :(

So, no audaxing or training, plus no diet, with just pootling and a bit of allotment digging = waist expansion.

Might be time to get back onto the fasting...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 July, 2014, 12:41:28 pm
Still haven't been weighed but waist and hips seem smaller than earlier this year.
Which will have to do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 August, 2014, 11:58:17 am
75.5kg this week - basically static for a year now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 August, 2014, 01:10:34 pm
Possibly a smidgin lighter than last time but had HYOOGE cankles and a full tum at time of weigh-in.
Trousers are now FAR too big.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 07 August, 2014, 09:26:33 am
Weight going back in the right dirrection, or so I thought last night as I stood on the scale in my nightwear.

I then stood on the scales whilst holding yesterdays outfit and the weight went back up to last weeks.  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 07 August, 2014, 11:11:03 am
When I returned to England in mid-June I discovered I had increased by a whopping 5kg. Scary.

I am not dieting as I have sort-of come to terms with being lardy (but generally fit). However I decided to avoid the Griesson de Beukelaer chocolate factory, whose biscuits had been regularly finding their way alongside my regular cuppas. The problem is, the stuff is incredibly cheap in the factory shop...

Anyway, I have the impression I am probably a bit lighter and so went downstairs here to where the set of weighing scales has been for the last four months. Not there. So I will remain in the dark until I return to the UK next month and step on our scales again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 August, 2014, 03:56:51 pm
... whereas I returned from Semaine fédérale 2Kg lighter - despite daily boozing, copious consumption of salty snacks (it was very warm and humid), and of course, morning Pains au Choc. The daily riding clearly ensured a calorie deficit, despite the binge eating - and this year's edition was somewhat hillier than previous, which probably helped.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 August, 2014, 10:23:30 am
There finally seems to be some significant loss.
I kept thinking I was getting thinner.
Plug on...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: T42 on 12 August, 2014, 11:12:11 am
Now that my weight has stabilized after our diago I'm three kg lighter.  It was stable on what I was eating before so maybe now it'll stay where it is. Fat-burning exercise is bloody wunnerful.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 August, 2014, 06:02:01 pm
Seem to have dropped a kilo over the past fortnight.
Used a tape measure for the first time in aeons last night.
40-32-44
The XL yacf T-shirt that's on its way may not be big enough but I really aren't a giant!

More work needed!

I'm looking back on 2012. (David always says I'm living in the past.)

My hips and waist are down 4 inches and I'm 12kg less than January 2012.

Slow progress is NOT no progress!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 August, 2014, 06:05:14 pm
I'm 3kg UP on January 2012 (and 4kg down vs my heaviest observed weight this year, so can't complain).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 August, 2014, 07:34:53 pm
I felt a need to enter the weight reports for 2012, which I have now done.
I regret not doing this sooner as my 2012 progress was rather better than that of 2013 or 2014.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 14 August, 2014, 12:54:38 am
119.3 is down a few kg over the last few weeks. Hospitalisation  and the following immobility, stops me shopping for Pringles and Pizzas, seem to be having a positive effect on weight loss at least.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 August, 2014, 10:37:34 am
Every little helps PD! It's a L-O-N-G journey!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 August, 2014, 11:47:48 am
I felt a need to enter the weight reports for 2012, which I have now done.
I regret not doing this sooner as my 2012 progress was rather better than that of 2013 or 2014.

I updated the graphs and you can see the steady progress you've made quite clearly - nice one!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 August, 2014, 11:58:42 am
I felt a need to enter the weight reports for 2012, which I have now done.
I regret not doing this sooner as my 2012 progress was rather better than that of 2013 or 2014.

I updated the graphs and you can see the steady progress you've made quite clearly - nice one!

Thanks!

It's been a great morale boost.

I hope this can encourage others to look at the big picture and keep good eating habits even if there is no short-term progress.
My weight had shown no loss for the first seven months of this year...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 August, 2014, 01:35:50 pm
I felt a need to enter the weight reports for 2012, which I have now done.
I regret not doing this sooner as my 2012 progress was rather better than that of 2013 or 2014.

I updated the graphs and you can see the steady progress you've made quite clearly - nice one!

Thanks!

It's been a great morale boost.

I hope this can encourage others to look at the big picture and keep good eating habits even if there is no short-term progress.
My weight had shown no loss for the first seven months of this year...

... but I seem to be another kg down this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 01 September, 2014, 03:46:20 pm
Taken a few weeks off, over did the carbs and everything else. I'll probably trawl youtube for the last few years output of Horizon documentaries, and apply what I can remember.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 September, 2014, 12:44:35 pm
And here is the not news BONG!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29031985 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29031985)

You will lose weight more successfully if you stick to your eating plan, whatever it may be.

FWIW I am not on any specific diet though 'less junk, less everything' might sum it up.

I seem, at present, to weigh less than others who record their weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 September, 2014, 01:32:57 pm
And here is the not news BONG!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29031985 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29031985)

You will lose weight more successfully if you stick to your eating plan, whatever it may be.

FWIW I am not on any specific diet though 'less junk, less everything' might sum it up.

I seem, at present, to weigh less than others who record their weight.

Two interesting stunts people did eating a restricted diet:

20potatoesaday.com

edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 September, 2014, 02:02:45 pm
I will stick to 'less everything, less junk'.
I can eat anything I like, whenever I like.
Or not.
Not is very much part of this, usually in private.
Nobody has yet convinced me that it's harmful to skip a meal if I'm not hungry and eat an otherwise well-balanced mix.
For myself I don't fancy 20 potatoes per day, or more than a single snack cake.
I never eat anything I don't fancy - what's the point? Bonk avoidance is not an issue!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 03 September, 2014, 06:47:46 pm
I'm feeling almost smug this week despite the rise.
500g increase following two weeks in Germany with lovely sausage, bread, cakes and beer and very nearly three weeks of no 'proper exercise'. That's not too shabby.

Actually, despite not really worrying much about what we eat on holiday I rarely seem to put weight (or much weight) on then. I wonder what makes the difference. I'm sure if I had a bratwurst roll for breakfast every morning at home I'd start putting the pounds on!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 September, 2014, 06:54:54 pm
You probably aren't on holiday for more than a fortnight; A week or two of indulgence might gain you a pound of fat, which you'd hardly notice.
52 weeks of indulgence might gain you 52 pounds of fat...

Habits are what matter in long-term weight management.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 03 September, 2014, 09:15:21 pm
Inspired I looked back at my diary from last year and I am 20 lb lighter than I was. So slow progress but that's ok. I have always been a plodder.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 September, 2014, 09:32:33 pm
Inspired I looked back at my diary from last year and I am 20 lb lighter than I was. So slow progress but that's ok. I have always been a plodder.

That's brilliant!
Slow weight loss may be easiest to maintain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 03 September, 2014, 10:11:47 pm
Not been thinking about it much after the foot operation, certainly can't do much in a physical stylee just now, but have lost 1.1kg since the last time I weighed in and that is a total of  10kg since the end of January. Slow is better than No!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 September, 2014, 10:25:59 pm
That's impressive, PD!
Just keeping the weight off is progress and helps with all the health matters.
Keep going; it is tough, but possible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 September, 2014, 12:10:04 pm
No substantive weight loss in the last few weeks for me.

However, I've gone from 22% body fat to 19% body fat (as guessed by random number generator/scales).

These ones measure at hands as well as feet. They consistently read higher than the old ones which didn't have any hand contacts.

The old ones measured around the same as calipers back in 2009 (but that's just a single data point - 18%) so I'm not sure if the new ones are more accurate or less.

What is clear is that I've lost fat. In particular the skin-fold thickness on my stomach and lower abdomen has reduced markedly. Where it always takes longer to vanish is over my hips. I ought to get some calipers to compare with.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 04 September, 2014, 03:09:29 pm
Anyone suggest some decent scales? My current set seems to have died from water ingress. :(

Preferably digital, more worried about consistent readings than extra features, though the extras may be nice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 September, 2014, 09:54:43 pm
Sorry, I'm still using the mechanical spring balance I bought in 1982 - it's probably older than you.
Various digital toys have ended up elsewhere - I'm not sure if my parents killed, lost or still use them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 09 September, 2014, 07:15:00 pm
Down 2.5kgs in 10 days of 'Paleo' diet. First kg went quickly and was most likely water (I'm also a lot less bloated now), but the weight seems to keep creeping downwards.
Biggest issue is still the amount of time spent cooking, although I am managing it better this time around.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 10 September, 2014, 12:25:59 pm
Weighed myself this morning for the first time in a while. Sigh.

Oh well, I suppose at least it isn't going up any further. But riding/running up hills is noticeably harder than it was this time last year, and clothing is a little snugger round the waist and thighs.

The good news is that life/work are back on a more even keel now and I'm getting back into the swing of fitting a decent ride into my commute, so I'm hoping I'll soon start to see a downward trend again. It helps that my new colleagues are all cyclists and myfitnesspal obsessives, and they often go out for lunchtime rides (at PDQ pace), so getting involved with that should help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 11 September, 2014, 04:56:16 pm
The good news is that life/work are back on a more even keel now
Ditto.

I'm down 5kg in the last 4 weeks.
I don't much like my new gym but as predicted, in conjunction with eschewing the vast majority of carbohydrates, it's doing the job.
Chances of me achieving Birthday Squats (the last of my fitness goals for 2014, the others all getting a big fat FAIL) are still much slimmer than I am, sadly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 September, 2014, 02:07:13 pm
Weight's up but cankles are bigger.
Waist and hips have not grown.
Plod, plod...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 18 September, 2014, 07:51:48 am
Checking in a day late (I forgot yesterday).
Another pound in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 18 September, 2014, 08:51:07 am
Setting a mini target may help me get a bit more focused. Recently put on a couple of lb and have taken them off in the last week so back to 20lb loss.  So I am going to set a goal of 7lb by 25th October.  This should be achievable, especially as my hols finish this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 25 September, 2014, 08:18:39 am
Starting my fitness pal again. Keeping the goals modest as I'm still feeding, but I need to stop the rising weight or I'm going to have to go shopping :(.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 25 September, 2014, 10:00:19 pm
One and a bit Kilo up after a couple of weeks with No Exercise to speak of and TOTAL SELF INDULGENCE.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 25 September, 2014, 10:05:48 pm
I'm losing a steady 1Kg a week. Not really dieting as such - just no Starch, Grains or Sugar.

I'm ketogenic, but that's not currently the aim of the game - it's just how it is. After a while, one main meal a day is quite enough; salad with a chicken breast, knob of butter and some grated cheese lasts for at least the next 18 hours.

This evening I forced down a dinner too - but it was hard going. Low carb/High fat really does kill the munchies - stone dead.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 27 September, 2014, 12:16:26 pm
Under 100kg - just! - for the first time in a long time. I've got a fair way to go (I'm 5'11" so would like to get down to about 90kg or so) but it's a nice milestone for me.

I haven't been working to a real "plan", as such, just have been doing a lot of cycling the last couple of months and trying to moderate the CAEK intake. I might need to think about something more structured over the winter so I don't carry on eating the same when I'm not cycling as much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 27 September, 2014, 12:19:05 pm
Well done :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 27 September, 2014, 11:14:17 pm
Nice one Comrade Dibbski! 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 29 September, 2014, 09:33:49 pm
Well done!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 October, 2014, 02:14:33 pm
I was set back by lurgy and am still 75kg (was 76kg last week).

I think the body fat loss is continuing, after a brief reversal because I stopped tracking calories while unwell. I'm lifting a fair bit heavier at the gym than I was a month ago; for instance 6 + 6 + 5 of 30kgs military press whereas I couldn't do a single rep at that weight on the first attempt. I'm eating a /ton/ of food, about 2500-3000 calories a day typically, and most days having a deficit.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 October, 2014, 03:32:17 pm
Weight had gone up at my last weigh-in but waist and hips are down again.
Cankles are back, which is my excuse.
I appear to be lighter, but not thinner, than others who post in this thread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 09 October, 2014, 10:35:32 pm
Monday's wedding (10 course 'taster' menu plus cake) plus a weekend of eating out has not helped. :-[ Time to be more focused.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 09 October, 2014, 11:10:22 pm
I used to ride weighing around 61 kgs, but now I'm nearer to 63 or 64 kgs, and I can't seem to get back down...

However I'm told by SWMBO that I have gained muscle in my legs and bum.....

Could I have gained 2 or 3 kgs in that area, and no fat??
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 16 October, 2014, 07:24:53 am
Yay! I actually lost some weight!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 October, 2014, 11:54:00 am
I used to ride weighing around 61 kgs, but now I'm nearer to 63 or 64 kgs, and I can't seem to get back down...

However I'm told by SWMBO that I have gained muscle in my legs and bum.....

Could I have gained 2 or 3 kgs in that area, and no fat??

What is your waist measurement doing?
If you really wanted accuracy, multiple skinfold measurements and waist measurements over time would be helpful...

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 October, 2014, 02:08:10 pm
Over recent months my waist has reduced while my weight has been constant.

My thigh measurement has increased, as has bicep.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 October, 2014, 02:32:02 pm
Sounds lean and lovely!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 17 October, 2014, 07:32:41 pm
I used to ride weighing around 61 kgs, but now I'm nearer to 63 or 64 kgs, and I can't seem to get back down...

However I'm told by SWMBO that I have gained muscle in my legs and bum.....

Could I have gained 2 or 3 kgs in that area, and no fat??

What is your waist measurement doing?
If you really wanted accuracy, multiple skinfold measurements and waist measurements over time would be helpful...
That's a good question. Waist unchanged cos I'm still comfortable in 30" Levis.

I have a band of muscle on the front if my thighs that runs from outside (high) to the inside of the knee, slanting inwards, which I've seen on a couple of Severn Road Club riders, who I know have done huge distances for donkey's years, so maybe that's it?

I get silly body fat reading from my scales which change if I have a leak or if my feet are sweaty or dry.

Skinfold not done but I'm not really worried, more interested in the diagnosis. If it's muscle then I should stop worrying. If it's fat I should maybe knock off eating the 'feeds six' trifles and large Ben n Jerrys after my rides.....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 October, 2014, 08:01:06 pm
Sounds lean and lovely!

Replacing the fat I laid down on holiday in Spain last year with muscle. Probably not the leanest I’ve been, yet.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 October, 2014, 11:21:48 pm
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I have a band of muscle on the front if my thighs that runs from outside (high) to the inside of the knee, slanting inwards, which I've seen on a couple of Severn Road Club riders, who I know have done huge distances for donkey's years, so maybe that's it?


Sounds like the sartorius muscle, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sartorius_muscle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sartorius_muscle) so-called because tailors developed it to sit cross-legged.

Skinfold calipers are cheap and consistent use is the only halfway reliable method of tracking changes in body fat. They need skill to apply reproducibly.

Otherwise, a tape measure, strategically and consistently applied, is fine.

Beware vanity sizing in clothing though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 October, 2014, 09:13:44 pm
Sounds lean and lovely!

Replacing the fat I laid down on holiday in Spain last year with muscle. Probably not the leanest I’ve been, yet.

Tried out new body fat calipers this evening - just the super iliac point. Based on that, I’ve got 16% body fat - which is a lot lower than the scales of random claim. Technically, this is not quite low enough to be considered 'lean'.

I need to work out how to do a multiple-point reading (and will need an assistant) to get a more accurate figure.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 October, 2014, 09:24:56 pm
I also suggest you take measurements repeatedly till you get consistency.

You can use a single measurement eg biceps, once you're well-practiced, as an indicator.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 20 October, 2014, 12:07:22 pm
Right.  Back down to 100.0kg.  Probably time to get a bit more serious about shifting some weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 October, 2014, 03:03:01 pm
I have not been weighed for a while.
I don't care!
I'm not eating much junk.
I'm not eating much food.
What I do eat is good and sensible.
I am not getting fatter.
That will have to do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 October, 2014, 01:24:50 pm
I have not lost weight again.

Body fat around 15% by calipers.

Compared to earlier this year: I'm climbing hills faster, lifting heavier weights, and swimming more strongly.

Currently I seem to be "recomposing" i.e. losing fat and gaining muscle about the same rate.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 October, 2014, 01:29:16 pm
Sounds fine, simonp!
I have lost since my last weigh-in but am still a bit more than my lightest, a couple of months ago.
The overall trend is down, albeit very slowly.
Which is fine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 October, 2014, 02:53:18 pm
I was 61kg when weighed last night.
I am lighter now.
Eating less food and junk do reduce body fat.
Eventually.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 October, 2014, 03:06:32 pm
No progress since last week on any aspect due to a lurgy which I had from Friday to Tuesday.

Weight is static but I'm still on about 15% body fat, say the calipers. Cycling to work and back today will help with that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 29 October, 2014, 04:43:29 pm
Banned from the gym and any high intensity work, constant battles with children and we're back to eating crap and gaining weight. Joy.
Losing weight would be easy if you didn't have to work it into Real Life.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 October, 2014, 04:46:58 pm
I am sad enough to have little Real Life: no work, no kids, little access to junk food and a partner who likes healthy eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 01 November, 2014, 01:37:44 pm
Weighed myself for the first time in a while this morning. 73kg. Oh boy. Back in February, I was about 67kg.

The gain is having a noticeable effect on my running - struggled to get around parkrun in 23.30 this morning, compared to regularly going well under 21 minutes this time last year. Really must do something about this. Best start would be cutting out the booze.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 November, 2014, 01:09:22 pm
I’ve been ill for all but 2 days of the last 12 days now - coming up for 2 weeks. I’m hoping last night was the worst of it, I called in sick today. I’ve managed to cycle commute once, and go to the gym once in that time. This one started on Thursday last week. I weighted 78.0kg on Wednesday last week, a record. 10kg over my weight in mid 2010.

Just weighed in at 75.0kg. That’s quite some fluctuation.

Just tried to update the graphs - broken. Probably caused by upgrading to Yosemite.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 November, 2014, 01:19:07 pm
I’ve been ill for all but 2 days of the last 12 days now - coming up for 2 weeks. I’m hoping last night was the worst of it, I called in sick today. I’ve managed to cycle commute once, and go to the gym once in that time. This one started on Thursday last week. I weighted 78.0kg on Wednesday last week, a record. 10kg over my weight in mid 2010.

Just weighed in at 75.0kg. That’s quite some fluctuation.

Just tried to update the graphs - broken. Probably caused by upgrading to Yosemite.

Get Well Soon, Simon!
The Yosemite upgrade has certainly caused me computer frustration!

Sick lungs secrete anti-diuretic hormone, which causes water retention. Your weight can be a rather poor indicator of body fat...(as if I hadn't typed this just a FEW times before...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Fab Foodie on 05 November, 2014, 01:28:35 pm
Banned from the gym and any high intensity work, constant battles with children and we're back to eating crap and gaining weight. Joy.
Losing weight would be easy if you didn't have to work it into Real Life.
Yep real-life sucks.  I thought I couldn't work losing weight into real life, but somehow It seems possible.  I've not read all this thread, life's too short, but here's been my story.
I travel mostly around Europe by plane and Hotel.  I work in the food industry (Ingredients/poultry processing) and am constantly surrounded by the stuff, usually fried.  I get to gorge myself in airport lounges, on the plane, at the hotel, as much on-tap food and drink as I want.  Am away at least 3 nights a week.  In Russia where we go getting a half decent pizza is as good as it gets.  We cook from scratch at home and food is a big part of the family ritual.  I am the only one overweight, 3 are normal healthy, one is anorexic. I have access to a lot of drink.
On a good week I might get one 40 mile Sunday bike ride.

Not easy.

but I've lost quite a bit of weight over the last 4 to 5 weeks without really trying.  I don't know how much but am nearly 3 belt holes tighter now, my jeans hang off me and my shirts are looking baggy.  People unsolicited ask if I've lost weight.

All I've done is give up:  All free sugar, cakes, pies pastries, BIG carbs such as Bread, Rice, Pasta, Potatoes Cereal.  No more no less. So living off Salad, veggies, Meats, Pulses, Eggs, Dairy.
Brekkie is 2 fried eggs. Nom!

It's not been hard, dropping the sugar has made me feel much more alert, and less hungry, dropping bread and cereals has made me less bloaty and farty.  In fact in general I just feel better.  I'm not religious about it, there are times (like Russia) where you have to moderately break the rules, but as long as you mostly cut out those big carby bits your weight will start to drop ... and I'm surprised at how much.
Also on the bike, I seem not to need to eat as much and I go quite well now!

This may not work for everybody but I've been really surprised with my real-life that I've been able to adapt to it quite well.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 05 November, 2014, 02:13:54 pm
All I've done is give up:  All free sugar, cakes, pies pastries, BIG carbs such as Bread, Rice, Pasta, Potatoes Cereal.  No more no less. So living off Salad, veggies, Meats, Pulses, Eggs, Dairy.
Brekkie is 2 fried eggs. Nom!
O, you mean like this: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=67736.0

 ;)

It's fine till you're really depressed and take to sugar in lieu of the antidepressants that you're quickly taken off because of the whole fainting-at-the-slightest-exertion, thing.
I'd drink, but that'd get me sacked, wheras sugar doesn't. Well, hasn't yet, anyway.

I've put on almost 3kg of sugar-attracted water & fat this week.
Werhey!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 November, 2014, 02:20:04 pm
Sounds good, ff.
I can't say I suffer much on my '3S' diet - Steak, Salad and Strawberries.
(Well, that's the summer edition and I do eat other things.)
But it's not cheap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Fab Foodie on 05 November, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
All I've done is give up:  All free sugar, cakes, pies pastries, BIG carbs such as Bread, Rice, Pasta, Potatoes Cereal.  No more no less. So living off Salad, veggies, Meats, Pulses, Eggs, Dairy.
Brekkie is 2 fried eggs. Nom!
O, you mean like this: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=67736.0

 ;)

It's fine till you're really depressed and take to sugar in lieu of the antidepressants that you're quickly taken off because of the whole fainting-at-the-slightest-exertion, thing.
I'd drink, but that'd get me sacked, wheras sugar doesn't. Well, hasn't yet, anyway.

I've put on almost 3kg of sugar-attracted water & fat this week.
Werhey!

Yer ... a bit like that anyhow.  It's not Ketogenic though as I'm not that sacred about it.

But that maybe what makes it work for me and my circumstances I simply can't avoid carbs during a travelling day.  If you look around at what's on offer as quick food it's nearly all orange food.  But keeping a lid on it is certainly having positive benefits, physically and mentally.
Depression eating is hard to combat, I can understand that.  My recent experimentation seems to suggest that not having sugary stuff makes me feel less bad than having sugar highs and lows which make me feel anxious/palpitations.

Thanks to an abscess in my mouth I'm on Antiobiotics with a DO NOT DRINK EVER warning .... it's bloody hard spending 3 days on your own in a faceless hotel without a beer or a glass of wine to look forward to!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Fab Foodie on 05 November, 2014, 04:50:47 pm
Sounds good, ff.
I can't say I suffer much on my '3S' diet - Steak, Salad and Strawberries.
(Well, that's the summer edition and I do eat other things.)
But it's not cheap.
3s ... because you're worth it ....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 November, 2014, 06:48:24 pm
Sounds good, ff.
I can't say I suffer much on my '3S' diet - Steak, Salad and Strawberries.
(Well, that's the summer edition and I do eat other things.)
But it's not cheap.
3s ... because you're worth it ....

You're worth it too!
Steak, salad and strawberries are pretty good as Balm for the Soul too and some equivalent should be available in many soulfree hotels.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 November, 2014, 02:06:39 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29755469 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29755469)

Who would have thunk it?
Tackle the whole food and lifestyle package and you can succeed tackling childhood obesity.
Since this approach needs to be taken by all the family, it would be fine for grown-ups too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 10 November, 2014, 01:01:58 pm
The other element of the Paleo diet.

One boy who eats more than his fair share and becomes too lazy to go hunting with the other boys will be beaten up until he changes his ways.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 November, 2014, 01:12:05 pm
Meanwhile, the Brits are plugging for more weight loss surgery.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29953082 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29953082)

I'm sure that some obese people get trapped into a repeat ( overeating -> weight gain --> depression -> inactivity -> ) vicious cycle but I'm not convinced its solution is bariatric surgery for the massive masses.

This speaks to me of admission of defeat on the public health side.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 11 November, 2014, 11:05:09 pm
A few weekends ago,I spent some time in the company of a medic . I remarked that he was fortunate that he was not carrying a lot of weight (we were discussing long distance cycling) and he related how he decided to lose weight when he was confronted by the damage that people were doing to their knees , hips and spine by carrying too much lard around.
He also told the best medical story that I have heard in a long while. One of his patients engaged m'learned friends to write a letter of complaint to the hospital. The patient had been insulted by a doctor who had declared the patient to be obese.
After consulting the height/weight chart the hospital legal man replied.
"We regret the use of the term "obese" as it is technically incorrect. It would appear that your client is ,in fact, "morbidly obese" and we shall remind our staff to use the correct descriptive term in any future contact with the patient."
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 14 November, 2014, 07:37:34 am
Meanwhile, the Brits are plugging for more weight loss surgery.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29953082 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29953082)

I'm sure that some obese people get trapped into a repeat ( overeating -> weight gain --> depression -> inactivity -> ) vicious cycle but I'm not convinced its solution is bariatric surgery for the massive masses.

This speaks to me of admission of defeat on the public health side.

I blame the parents. All those ‘modern gullibles’ who listened to the ‘Feed on Demand’ crap that was spouted in the 1990s saying “Feeding on demand results in a higher IQ.”

In the first six months of life, baby learns that mum will always supply food when it moans. The cast was set.

Now we have an ‘over feeding’ epidemic.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 14 November, 2014, 07:42:53 am
Meanwhile, the Brits are plugging for more weight loss surgery.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29953082 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29953082)

I'm sure that some obese people get trapped into a repeat ( overeating -> weight gain --> depression -> inactivity -> ) vicious cycle but I'm not convinced its solution is bariatric surgery for the massive masses.

This speaks to me of admission of defeat on the public health side.

I blame the parents. All those ‘modern gullibles’ who listened to the ‘Feed on Demand’ crap that was spouted in the 1980s saying “Feeding on demand results in a higher IQ.”

In the first six months of life, baby learns that mum will always supply food when it moans. The cast was set.
Here starteth the ‘over feeding’ epidemic.
Rubbish.
If that were the case, I would have a family of fat children.
I don't.
I have one child who will always have to watch her weight, and that is because physically she is very similar to her mother and has a tendency to gain weight easily.
The rest are all skinny. They were all 'fed on demand'.

Cheap, shite food and lack of exercise are the main causes of obesity.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 14 November, 2014, 08:09:25 am
With a BMR of 1600 kCals and a daily cycling expenditure of 1000 kCals, 3000 kCals per day of the BEST nutrition food in the world will result in a weight gain of 1 lb per week.

With a BMR of 1600 kCals and a daily cycling expenditure of 1000 kCals, 2000 kCals per day of cheap, shite food will result in a weight loss of 1 lb per week.

And anyway, when on an Audax, how many of us gorge on ‘packet-mix’ sponge cake? If that’s not ‘cheap, shite food’, I don’t know what is.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 14 November, 2014, 09:00:04 am
You are right, you don't know.

Your calculations are far, far too simplistic.

Exercise has effects on metabolism apart from the immediate burn of calories.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 November, 2014, 10:16:15 am
Babies that are breast fed on demand don't usually get too fat. Babies stuffed with starch from a young age will get fat.
Stuffing anyone who is inactive with cheap starch, especially if this is laced with fats and sugar (think toast, butter and jam) will make them fatter.
I am still losing fat, albeit slowly and I am almost totally inactive.

Calories in v calories out is simplistic. It still approximates to usefulness for many.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 14 November, 2014, 12:00:02 pm
Triggers for my over eating. Boredom/depression. Once I find something to stop those 2 triggers, I'll be fine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 14 November, 2014, 12:06:58 pm
The biggest problem for most people who want to lose weight is appetite management.

I want to not want to eat. How do you do that?
Way back then I asked this question.
For me managing your carb intake is an answer.

Calories in Calories out is unhelpful. It gives far too many people the opportunity to feel like a failure, because it relies on willpower, which for most people just doesn't work.

We know it doesn't work, in real life, for most people, because EVERYBODY knows how it 'works'.... and yet many and more of us are still overweight. And spewing out the same unhelpful advice continues. I wish it would stop. It's judgemental, it's oversimplistic, it's ammunition for smug lucky people who don't have a problem managing their weight to attack people who do.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 14 November, 2014, 10:07:19 pm
The most simplistic description of weight management I have every heard came from the consultant urologist at Solihull Heartlands NHS Trust.
He said " Eat less, exercise more."
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 November, 2014, 04:56:02 pm
I have just pigged out most of the weekend in Stone.
It was so nice to eat LOTS of mashed potato last night.
I can't exercise at all, so more doesn't come into it.
Back on the sensible eating tomorrow...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 29 November, 2014, 10:18:41 pm
Hmm, I seem to be back to reading this thread again. I've finally admitted to myself that I need to start monitoring my weight and getting rid of some of the flab again. For those that know me, it would appear that I don't have a major weight issue. However, that's not really the case.

Some years ago I realised that my weight had crept up over the years from the 75 kg I was when I got married to well over the 92kg mark (I don't know how far over, because there was a long period when I didn't dare get on the scales to weigh myself - I call it my denial phase). There wasn't a dramatic increase - just a pound here and there, but it all adds up with time. I put a lot on after my father-in-law died. I'd spent the previous 10 months pushing him and his wheelchair up and down the hills and over the cobbles at least 4 days a week. Pushing is pretty good exercise and I didn't realise how much extra I was eating to compensate. We had a 2 mile circuit (for rain and snow) and a 4 mile one for the rest of the time. I should have cut back immediately after the funeral, but didn't realise for some months and kept to my old portion sizes...

About 5 years ago I finally admitted to myself that I really had to do something about it. After a couple of years of serious attempts to diet I was down to 74 kg - which was a much healthier level for me (I'm 6'0"). I dropped 4" in waist size in the process, losing quite a bit of my beer gut on the way. I'm the first to admit that it was hard and painful, and the will power slipped on quite a few occasions. However, I felt much happier in myself with the new lighter weight me. Part way through my on again, off again diet I established a personal target to aim for, which was to be the same weight at my son's wedding as I was at mine. I achieved it... just. I think having that target benefited me enormously at the time. My weight loss improved dramatically once I'd set a goal. I didn't slip half as much.

The problem is, that once I achieved my goal, I've let things slip. Two years later and I found that I didn't dare get back on the scales. I'm nowhere near as fat as I was, but my trousers are getting rather tight and I've had to slip the belt a couple of holes. I started the diet a month ago and 2 weeks later dared to get on the scales. I was just under 80 kg. So now it's back to the My Fitness app on the phone, salad for lunch, no bread and weighing out my portion sizes for everything I eat (if I don't they tend to grow in size as I deceive myself). I'm also getting up earlier every day to go for a half hour jog/walk before work. A little extra exercise isn't going to hurt. My new target is to get down to 75 kg (my wedding weight), before the first grandchild is born. This is a big ask - I've a lot to lose pretty quickly and with the food fest of Christmas coming up I may well not make it. However, if I don't do something, I'll be sliding back to flabby old me. That's the last thing I want.

Wish me luck.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 November, 2014, 11:44:25 pm
Good Luck!
Enjoy Christmas but
1) Suspend the diet for just three days of your choosing
2) Choose a maximum number of mince pies for the whole Festive Season
3) Avoid naughty snacks between meals on all but your three Christmas Feast days
4) Never eat till you're stuffed there's little pleasure and you'll have to pay it back with a longer period of dieting.

Is the grandchild expected or hypothetical right now? Is there a due date?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 29 November, 2014, 11:59:23 pm
Expected with a due date of less than a month after Christmas... Hypothetical would give me time...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 November, 2014, 12:25:40 am
Hypothetical would allow procrastination.

Losing 6kg in as many weeks is ambitious and possibly not very healthy.

Initial weight loss can be rapid so you might be in with a chance but I wouldn't be too harsh; accept good progress even if it's slow.

There's also always a real possibility that child might arrive in fair order any time within the next few weeks; you don't want to be beating yourself up if that's the case. There will be other priorities.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 30 November, 2014, 02:03:38 pm
MrsC saw her rheumatologist last week. "You are obese. This will not help with bad joints."
This has been the kick-start we've needed, so, from the new year we'll be back using Weight Watchers again.
We managed serious weight loss about eleven years ago, but I've put back half and she's back to nearly where we started.
The reason we're not starting now is that we need to get our heads round the 'new' points system; we understood the old one quite well, but it's all changed.
So if I start muttering about 'plus points' and 'activity points' or whatever they're called now, you'll all understand. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 November, 2014, 06:51:40 pm
I will stick with my
less food
less junk
not too much carb
Weigh myself occasionally but keep an eye on the inches/ tape measure
regime.

I will have to be a bit careful forever but hope to stop reducing next year.
Maybe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 30 November, 2014, 10:42:59 pm
Losing 6kg in as many weeks is ambitious and possibly not very healthy.

Initial weight loss can be rapid so you might be in with a chance but I wouldn't be too harsh; accept good progress even if it's slow.
It's not quite that bad. I'm trying to lose about 4.5kg. I reckon that my initial rapid weight loss will have allowed me to shed about 1.5kg before I next weigh in on Wednesday, which will leave me about 7 weeks (if the baby's on time) to lose the other 3 kg. This would be steep for me (I'm normally 3 weeks per kg if I don't slip), but just about doable if it wasn't for Christmas in between. I'm just going to have to hope that the baby will take after his/her father and be late for everything...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 30 November, 2014, 10:45:51 pm
I will stick with my
less food
less junk
not too much carb
Weigh myself occasionally but keep an eye on the inches/ tape measure
regime.

I will have to be a bit careful forever but hope to stop reducing next year.
Maybe.

I admire your will power. Good luck.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 December, 2014, 12:24:43 am
I will stick with my
less food
less junk
not too much carb
Weigh myself occasionally but keep an eye on the inches/ tape measure
regime.

I will have to be a bit careful forever but hope to stop reducing next year.
Maybe.

I admire your will power. Good luck.

Thanks!
January 2012 - 74kg
October 2014 - 61kg

Eventual goal 58kg - getting there...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 December, 2014, 10:58:47 am
Down again!  :)  ;D

Will enjoy selected indulgences over the Festive Season.
But it will be selective and selected.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 11 December, 2014, 01:28:58 pm
Well done!

After seeing a rapid weight loss over the first couple of weeks I now find myself, as expected, starting to level off. As long as the trend is still downwards, that's not really a problem.

I needed quite some motivation this morning, though, to get out for my early jog through the sleet...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 December, 2014, 11:33:37 pm
Sleet is the coldest form of precipitation IMO,
Everyone needs extra motivation to go out in THAT!
Slow progress is still progress. I might be losing less than 5kg per year but I'm still 14kg less after three years, during which many others have got fatter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 14 December, 2014, 06:35:50 pm
Interesting comments on the “fat-burning zone”:

http://road.cc/content/feature/138083-fact-burning-zone-fat-burning-myths-busted
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 December, 2014, 07:02:03 pm
Interesting comments on the “fat-burning zone”:

http://road.cc/content/feature/138083-fact-burning-zone-fat-burning-myths-busted

I read that and thought "That's all very well but IME high intensity exercise leaves me ravenous and craving carbs while low intensity activity does not, especially if I'm not cold."

I have been eating BIG seasonal meals over the last few days and have rediscovered the pleasures of feeling FULL.

I have a few more days of festive feeding (tomorrow, Dec 25 & Jan 3-6) but intend 'sensible eating' the rest of the time.

58kg is not far away and I WILL achieve it in 2015!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Fab Foodie on 14 December, 2014, 07:41:45 pm
Interesting comments on the “fat-burning zone”:

http://road.cc/content/feature/138083-fact-burning-zone-fat-burning-myths-busted

I read that and thought "That's all very well but IME high intensity exercise leaves me ravenous and craving carbs while low intensity activity does not, especially if I'm not cold."



I'm not sure what to make of that article.  It seems counter to what I've learned and experienced.  Like you, shorter high intensity exercise gives me extreme munchies leading to calorie overcompensation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Fab Foodie on 14 December, 2014, 07:48:20 pm
On the topic of weight loss, I've just achieved my first ever weight reduction.  I've lost about 2" of my waistline simply by avoiding major carbs so:  No bread, Pasta, Rice, Cakes, cereals and minimal potato.  No more sugar in tea of coffee, no desserts, no sodas diet or otherwise.

Once coming down of the sugar/insulin roller-coaster, I've found my appetite has moderated, I feel more alert and less bloaty.
It's really not been difficult to maintain either.
I'm eating eggs, meat, dairy, with lots of salad and fresh fruit (in moderation) and increased vegetables.  Simples.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ruthie on 14 December, 2014, 07:52:31 pm
On the topic of weight loss, I've just achieved my first ever weight reduction.  I've lost about 2" of my waistline simply by avoiding major carbs so:  No bread, Pasta, Rice, Cakes, cereals and minimal potato.  No more sugar in tea of coffee, no desserts, no sodas diet or otherwise.

Once coming down of the sugar/insulin roller-coaster, I've found my appetite has moderated, I feel more alert and less bloaty.
It's really not been difficult to maintain either.
I'm eating eggs, meat, dairy, with lots of salad and fresh fruit (in moderation) and increased vegetables.  Simples.

How have you implemented this lifestyle change ff?  Do you find you spend more time preparing food?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 December, 2014, 08:11:38 pm
On the topic of weight loss, I've just achieved my first ever weight reduction.  I've lost about 2" of my waistline simply by avoiding major carbs so:  No bread, Pasta, Rice, Cakes, cereals and minimal potato.  No more sugar in tea of coffee, no desserts, no sodas diet or otherwise.

Once coming down of the sugar/insulin roller-coaster, I've found my appetite has moderated, I feel more alert and less bloaty.
It's really not been difficult to maintain either.
I'm eating eggs, meat, dairy, with lots of salad and fresh fruit (in moderation) and increased vegetables.  Simples.

How have you implemented this lifestyle change ff?  Do you find you spend more time preparing food?

Similar to the 'Avoid CRAP Foods' diet which is my model.
C = Carbonated Drinks (actually, drinking sugar in any form)
R = Refined Sugar
A = Artificial 'food'
P = Processed food.

My stews are the only thing that use much time; throwing food into the microwave or gas oven are not labour-intensive.

I will probably not weigh myself until 31/12/2014.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 December, 2014, 10:26:52 pm
The salad I made today wasn't labour intensive:

Lettuce, tomato, pomegranate, mozzarella, avocado, carrots, pine kernels, artichoke hearts, olive oil, balsamic vinegar, salt, pepper. Would be fine in a low carb diet (but not keto).

Don't fret folks. I had toast with my boiled eggs this morning and rice with the chilli I made this evening.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 December, 2014, 11:14:39 am
Not losing weight as such but, I seem to be getting leaner.

That wasn't really happening so obviously with my lifting program until I started doing more cardio to burn off some more energy. I did consider starting to count calories again, and I may have to be more strict to get properly lean. I've mainly been doing spinning classes and intervals on the treadmill, and of course the rowing machine. The rowing machine is problematic after my chest + abs session or my arms + abs session. The abs are so hammered that I can't pull properly due to core strength being ruined.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 December, 2014, 11:45:26 am
My hips appear to be 1cm smaller.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 17 December, 2014, 01:21:56 pm
Things are looking good for you, Helly. Even though the last kg is always the worst, your target for the end of 2015 seems eminently reachable.

I'm now only 300gm off where I wanted to be in mid January (and below my intermediate target for the end of the year). The question is - how much will I put on over Christmas? At the moment the 2 biggest changes I've made that seem to be working are:

1) to make and take in to work a salad for lunch every day. I've given the coffee bar staff strict instructions not to sell me anything other than tea, coffee or fruit. Not sitting down to a cheese savory or corned beef stottie for lunch makes a huge difference.

2) to go for a morning jog every day

Whether I'll manage to keep this up over the holiday period remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 December, 2014, 03:20:18 pm
DON'T WORRY ABOUT CHRISTMAS!
You will gain weight if you you indulge in seasonal goodies. It's mostly not fat.

Enjoy your Christmas but eat 'sensibly' when you're not partying or dining in company.

Either watch your weight go up by 3kg between now and Dec 28, feel demoralised and watch it drop down to 1kg more than todays weight on January 5th, or put your scales in a cupboard until January 5th and resume your healthy lifestyle around New Year's Day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 December, 2014, 03:32:10 pm
Not planning to lose or gain any weight over Christmas. I'm 76.6kg, my weight is flat for more than a year, pretty much.

I might get to 100kg on deadlift by Christmas, though. My earliest logged deadlift was 3x8 at 40kg on 7th October. Yesterday, I did 3x6 @ 95kg. So I should be trying for 100kg next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 December, 2014, 06:55:57 pm
Not planning to lose or gain any weight over Christmas. I'm 76.6kg, my weight is flat for more than a year, pretty much.

I might get to 100kg on deadlift by Christmas, though. My earliest logged deadlift was 3x8 at 40kg on 7th October. Yesterday, I did 3x6 @ 95kg. So I should be trying for 100kg next week.

I'll ask partner (currently 63.5kg) what his latest deadlifts have been.

He has weighed less than me until very recently and usually cruises at 62.5kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 December, 2014, 01:51:47 pm
Partner has bought me some new digital scales for Christmas.
I will compare readings on the two machines.
There may be unexpected differences around New Year.
I intend my 2015 weights to be on new machine.

Weight on old scales 61.0kg, weight on new scales 61.8kg.

I have therefore recorded my 2015 start weight as 62kg.

I might weigh myself on the old scales next December.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 27 December, 2014, 04:41:23 pm
I have finally got on the scales after a number of months of shying away from them.  I could not be bothered with getting on them and let myself go and really slipped into old habits.  This has led to putting over a stone back on, not being able to fit into quite a number of my outfits and generally feeling awful.  Plus I had been diagnosed with hypothyroidism.
So luckily being up with my family I went with my sister to the local slimming world group.  I needed a bit of moral support.  It was much worse than I had thought.  The weight that I had lost earlier this year had gone back on and some.  So much so that I think the spokes on my bike will crumple if I get on it.  No time to mope though just get back on the program.  Weigh in next Saturday. Woo hoo.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 December, 2014, 07:09:20 pm
Things should improve once your thyroid is under control. Weight loss is a long term business and every little helps.

Don't worry too much about festive eats; they are/should be a temporary phenomenon.
Your habits for the next 51 weeks are what count.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 29 December, 2014, 11:44:58 am
MrsC saw her rheumatologist last week. "You are obese. This will not help with bad joints."
This has been the kick-start we've needed, so, from the new year we'll be back using Weight Watchers again.
We managed serious weight loss about eleven years ago, but I've put back half and she's back to nearly where we started.
The reason we're not starting now is that we need to get our heads round the 'new' points system; we understood the old one quite well, but it's all changed.
So if I start muttering about 'plus points' and 'activity points' or whatever they're called now, you'll all understand.
MrsC has been banging on about needing to lose weight over the break so I think she really is serious (hasn't stopped us indulging of course).
Also, at work there's a sort of 'competitive' weight loss thing going on; six weeks from the end of January to first week of March. I have decided I will sign up for that as well to keep the pressure on me so I can be supportive of her.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm sure there's some chocolate which needs eating before we start all this.  :facepalm:

(P.S. and thanks to fboab for starting next year's tracker already)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 29 December, 2014, 11:53:35 am
This year has been a bit of a failure as far as weight loss is concerned (up 5 kg) but things have got to get sorted so I am back on it again this year.

(P.S. and thanks to fboab for starting next year's tracker already)

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 December, 2014, 12:19:07 pm
My waist measurement is up 6cm today; I am a gassy, colicky creature!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 29 December, 2014, 02:27:29 pm
Thankyou for the weight tracker fboab.  Now just plodding on with eating healthy and not succumbing to the cake run at work, at home, in fact anywhere for a while.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 December, 2014, 03:00:43 pm
We have HUGE amounts of CAEK, pudding and chocolate left over from Christmas.

I think we'll indulge slowly but partner is unsure how to tackle our Chocolate Mountain and still maintain his Healthy Eating.

Truth is, my need to lose weight is marginal and he does not need to lose any weight.

I still believe habit is more important than the way we handle occasional treats.

We're off to visit his Dad in Christchurch this coming weekend so we'll face three days away from home, with hotel breakfasts etc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 December, 2014, 05:03:37 pm
Not much work to do to the weight scraping code - just need to update the list of pages to scrape.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 30 December, 2014, 07:43:30 pm
Weight loss for me has been something of a sideshow. Nice to have but I haven't really focussed on it.

Unfortunately part of my tests reveal pre-diabetes, so its no longer a sideshow and more of a lifestyle change.

Reading about it suggest exercise (which I will get from commuting) but also diet changes - vegetables, oats etc.  So I will need to monitor this thread a bit more and take an active interest in my diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 30 December, 2014, 07:47:22 pm
Yes it's a boring stereotype but I'm determined to crack this habit next year. I've done OK just half-assing it and I lost about 5kg over the autumn/winter, and I haven't done too much damage over Christmas (I've even kept riding the bike), but the real work starts now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 December, 2014, 11:43:05 pm
5kg is quite substantial! keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedal Castro on 31 December, 2014, 07:20:08 am
I really need to make an effort to lose some more weight. I managed to lose two stone in 4 months about two years ago but been pretty static since. Even though I have cycled a lot more I just eat more in response so no weight lost. Counting calories and maintaining an average daily deficit of 500-1000 is the only way it works for me so it's back to the FatSecret app from tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 31 December, 2014, 08:43:37 am
After a good start last year, hitting first goal by Feb, I'm now up to about the heaviest I have been for a long, long while. Only way is down.......

(would that were fact)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 31 December, 2014, 09:18:11 am
So, last year was a 'game of two halves'(TM) - I lost 2 stone in the first six months and have put half a stone back on, thus ending 2014 at 89.6kg. I now need to spend the first half of 2015 repeating the first half of 2014 - should be easier now we're nearly through the Christmas leftovers - only one large mixed game casserole to go;)

Hope all have a good year and manage to sustain the changes we all want to make.

Mike


PS - Thannks fboab
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 December, 2014, 12:15:16 pm
My weight on the new scales last night was 62.7kg, which was rather more than I had expected.

The new scales are less 'charitable' than the old, which have corresponded well with the 'professional' models that I have used in hospitals or David has used at the gym.
I will aim for 57kg on the new scales but have further to go...

Looking back at 2014 on the old scales, I started at around 64kg (max 65.5) and ended at around 61kg (min 60.0)

That's a 3kg loss over the year; not much but still a loss.

Plod plod!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 31 December, 2014, 05:22:55 pm
OK.  Despite my fears, lack of miles, and excess of food, I managed to drop 0.3kg over Christmas! :o

Not a spectacularly successful year, given all the issues, but I did manage to drop 3.7kg.  The same next year would be satisfactory.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 31 December, 2014, 05:47:05 pm
Fairly flat year for me:
Started the year at 89.0 kg
Maximum 89.9 kg
After a week in a hotel for work, followed by a weekend re-enacting (when you're the cook and you're trying out new recipes it can be very tempting!)
Minimum 85.2 kg
Middle of November. Probably when the running and cycling was just 'working' for once.
Ended the year on 87.2 kg.
So, at least the end was lower than the beginning.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 December, 2014, 06:17:11 pm
The graphs are currently broken - I believe this is because there are 53 Wednesdays in 2014 and this has complicated things a little (it seems to be showing my weight as of the start of the year rather than the end, for instance). I’ll see about getting that fixed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 31 December, 2014, 08:07:17 pm
Well, I was bang on my target for the middle of January - 75.0 kg (my target for today was 76kg). I'm a late comer this year and have dropped from 80kg to a minimum of 74.6 (Christmas Eve morning). I put on over 2.5kg in 4 days over Christmas, but have managed to lose most of it just as quickly again since.

I'm putting my relative success down to several things:

1) taking more exercise - I've managed a 30 minute jog/shuffle every day since mid November. This included Christmas Day, much to the rest of the family's amazement.

2) finding an old photograph of myself with my beer gut hanging out. This was taken in 2009 when I was somewhere near my peak weight (but not at - it was shortly after that that I started to positively shy away from cameras to avoid embarrassing myself). I've put this behind the biscuit tin so I see it every time I go to sneak a little something extra out. It's surprisingly effective.

3) Logging everything I eat on MyFitnessPal (preferably before I eat it). I've found that the faf of doing this has made me realise that that extra mice pie just isn't worth it. I did let this slide over Christmas itself, but that was a policy decision I made myself beforehand. I wasn't going to spoil everyone else's enjoyment of Christmas Day.

4) Finally realising that I don't have to clear everything on my plate, everyone else's plate and all the pans just because there is food there. This was indoctrinated into me at an early age. First of all it was by my parents who lived through rationing. This was reinforced by an aunt who for a significant period of her life, worked in Biafra during the famine as a missionary/hospital matron, and organiser/spokesperson for Jesus Christ Airlines (google that for more info - it was the largest civilian humanitarian airlift in history organised by a load of rank amateurs, mainly priests and missionaries). As a result she was very forthright in her views about leaving any food whatsoever on the table at the end of a meal. This has been a very hard habit to break.

For 2015 I hope to lose just a little more and then maintain that weight throughout the year. I'm beginning to think that the way to do that might just be to maintain an interest here, logging my weight weekly and laving me in a position to react rather more quickly should it start to rise again.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 December, 2014, 10:29:30 pm
I’m 2kg heavier than at the start of the year.

I’m not sure what that really means. I’ve gone from deadlifting 40kg to 100kg since October and certainly have more muscle mass than at the start of the year. Not sure if more or less than 2kg. My goal for the first 2 months of 2015 is to drop those 2kg whilst still increasing strength. So back to calorie counting.

On the macronutrient front, because I am trying to build muscle, I’ve adjusted the proportions from the defaults in MyFitnesspal to 30% protein, 30% fat, 40% carbohydrate (i.e. high protein, low-moderate fat, moderate-high carbohydrate). On days where I do a lot of endurance, I usually have a higher proportion of carbohydrates. To increase the protein intake I’m consuming about 50g per day of whey protein.

Feline has recently got 5 ex-battery chickens which are producing 3-4 eggs a day. I’m doing my best, but it’s hard to keep up. They’er a good source of high quality protein.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 31 December, 2014, 10:46:54 pm
I'm 4kg down on the start of last year, but compared to what I need to lose that's rather poor. Was doing quite a bit better (over 10kg down at one point) before I broke my arm, and haven't got back into the swing of it. Happy that I didn't move much over Christmas despite there being food constantly available to browse on.

I have the same attitude to finishing off stuff that Slowcoach mentioned he is having to change above, taught from an early age by parents who grew up without much money. My first goal is going to be to get into the habit of planning food well in advance and actually weighing things. Simple I know but for some reason I've not done it seriously for very long before :-[. Will also be heading back to my MFP account and starting to log again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 01 January, 2015, 09:26:01 am
I've managed to put on 1.5kg over Christmas. Not quite as bad as feared, given the amount of chocolate I've eaten, but the wrong side of 60kg. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 January, 2015, 10:13:04 am
I haven't put on any weight over Christmas, once again proving I can eat whatever the fuck I like...  and maintain my weight at just under 90kg. Or work really really hard at it and get down to 80. Big fucking wow.
I'm not sure I've got the energy. Does it really matter? Am I fitter, faster, stronger,  healthier with a BMI of 31 than one of 34? I'm not fit fast or strong now, but I'm not sure losing 10kg is what will change that. And it's not like I can ever maintain it, something always happens to fuck me over anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 January, 2015, 03:02:17 pm
I've managed to put on 1.5kg over Christmas. Not quite as bad as feared, given the amount of chocolate I've eaten, but the wrong side of 60kg. :-\

I don't think I've been on the 'right' side of 60kg since I was 18 and my new scales aren't helping; I touched it late last year.
I WILL get there!

So will you!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 January, 2015, 04:24:20 pm
I've managed to put on 1.5kg over Christmas. Not quite as bad as feared, given the amount of chocolate I've eaten, but the wrong side of 60kg. :-\

Sadly, at the moment 1 * Wowbagger > 2 * Phantasmagoriana.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 January, 2015, 01:41:45 am
Graphs are fixed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 02 January, 2015, 07:38:49 am
Can one of you clever buggers come up with a cell by cell example of what I'd need to put into a spreadsheet to convert kilos to stones, pounds and ounces please?   

I have a very big, or should that be small challenge this year.  :-\

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 02 January, 2015, 08:36:33 am
This will convert the number in Cell A1 from Kg to Stones pounds, shillings & ounces, whatever your bounces


Code: [Select]
=TEXT(INT((A1*2.20462)/14),0)&" Stones "&TEXT(INT(MOD(A1*2.20462,14)),0)&" Lbs "&TEXT((MOD(A1*2.20462,14)-INT(MOD(A1*2.20462,14)))*16,0)&" Ounces"
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 02 January, 2015, 08:37:11 am
Fabulous.   Thanks very much indeed.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 02 January, 2015, 12:28:36 pm
December's loss of focus has raised my podge index from under 79 to  80.6kg today. I hope to be under 80 at the end of next week once I return to my regular eat work sleep pattern.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 02 January, 2015, 07:08:07 pm
I have set myself (and reported this in the 'weight reports' thread) a short term, small weight loss target. I'm going to see if aiming for something achievable but requiring focus works any better than a nebulous 'by the end of the year' goal.

85.2 kg by 31.01.2015

This would bring me back to my lowest weight last year (and once I break that figure) to a weight lower than at any time since 2010.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 January, 2015, 09:52:15 pm
Losing the first 2kg is easy.
Much of this loss is not fat.
Weight after a second month might be more indicative of genuine fat loss.
Good Luck anyway!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 03 January, 2015, 07:47:22 pm
Since dieting is basically a failed way to lose weight over the long term I'd be interested in seeing if our numbers back that up.

This thread has been running since 2008.

Would any of you, who have been trying to lose weight in this period, care to post:

1) Start Weight
2) Year
3) Current Weight.

I happen to know that was 13st 4lb in 1997. I know that because it was the point I started a diet with some friends and we all noted down our weights.

In 17 years of careful weight management I have managed to add 8 pounds (Jan 1st 2015).

I may have once managed to drop below 13-4 and that would have been at the finish line of PBP2011 (because I was 13-6 going into it).

I have risen to 15-3 twice in that period (Jan 3rd 2014 being the last time).

The one positive to be drawn from this is that this is the lightest I've been on Jan 1st for a long time and is part of my "must get below 13 stone for PBP2015" plan.


Good luck with your own plans everyone, I know how tough (impossible?) it can be. 

Just be reminded that your brain is doing every single thing it can to stop you from losing weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 January, 2015, 11:03:58 pm
I was 74 kg in January 2012.
I am 12kg less now.

Dieting has not failed for me.

I cannot exercise.
Look at my graph.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2015, 12:04:48 am
Lee, if you gained 8lbs over 17 years that's an average of a 5 calorie per day surplus, if it's all fat.

The question should be were would you be without any dieting?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 January, 2015, 12:37:15 am
Since dieting is basically a failed way to lose weight over the long term I'd be interested in seeing if our numbers back that up.

This thread has been running since 2008.

Would any of you, who have been trying to lose weight in this period, care to post:

1) Start Weight
2) Year
3) Current Weight.


Start weight 74kg 2012
Current weight 62kg


I happen to know that was 13st 4lb in 1997. I know that because it was the point I started a diet with some friends and we all noted down our weights.

In 17 years of careful weight management I have managed to add 8 pounds (Jan 1st 2015).

I may have once managed to drop below 13-4 and that would have been at the finish line of PBP2011 (because I was 13-6 going into it).

I have risen to 15-3 twice in that period (Jan 3rd 2014 being the last time).

The one positive to be drawn from this is that this is the lightest I've been on Jan 1st for a long time and is part of my "must get below 13 stone for PBP2015" plan.


Good luck with your own plans everyone, I know how tough (impossible?) it can be. 

Just be reminded that your brain is doing every single thing it can to stop you from losing weight.

I was 10st 10lb when I bought my old scales in 1982 and bobbed around 11stone most of my adult life.
I got below 10 stone last year and have stayed there.

I slowly gained weight after a trip to France in 2009, when I got into the habit of eating croissants and mirabelle jam for breakfast. My weight crept up about 1kg/year having been steady and my proudly staying out of weight loss discussion.

Sustained weight loss is not impossible.
It takes determination and modification of eating habits.
Habits are what really matter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 04 January, 2015, 03:59:36 pm
Lee, if you gained 8lbs over 17 years that's an average of a 5 calorie per day surplus, if it's all fat.

The question should be were would you be without any dieting?

All my dieting attempts have resulted in a (predictable) Yo-Yo between 13-4 and 15-3.  I'm a food addict, guilty as charged m'lud. All my real weight loss success can be attributed to high mileage rides counteracting my addiction to the savouries.

I have a guaranteed weight loss of 1 pound per 100km Audax ride that usually kicks in the following thursday.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 04 January, 2015, 05:26:38 pm
Max weight 92.5kg+ in July 2010 (it's plus because it was a couple of months of dieting before I dared weigh myself)
Dropped to 73.3kg by mid 2012
slowly put the weight back on to 80kg in Nov 2014
Currently 75.0kg at 31st Dec 2014

I went up again because I took my eye off the ball and thought I could eat what I wanted to again. My current plan is to get my weight back to where I'm happy (probably about 73 to 74 kg) and then weigh myself at least once a month. If I'm ever more than 4kg over target, the diet and exercise programme will have to kick in again.

Currently I've upped the amount of exercise I take by going out for 30 minute run/jog/shuffles in the morning and this seems to be working well for me. I'm dropping the pounds much faster than I ever did by diet alone. To get the equivqlent amount of exercise from my bike would take much longer each day (by the time I'd got the bike out, checked the lights, had to ride for longer for an equivalent calorie deficit). Jogging just works. I always used to HATE running, but I've discovered Couch to 5K (C25K) and I'm a convert. I'm actually getting out and enjoying it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 January, 2015, 06:04:54 pm
Max 110kg, min 69, (2002-2003) then I took up cycling.

I have 2 options for successfully losing weight - eat  nothing & do nothing (the helly approach) although I also lost 70kg of husband when I did that ; or do without carbohydrates and lift weights.
Doing without carbohydrates and lifting weights requires everything else in your life to go well. So I usually last about 6 weeks before injury, job loss, eviction, child drama, drug side effects - whatever, I'm not making these up - something will happen and I'll be back snarfing chocolate before you can say MyFitnessPal.
I'm currently debating whether I can face it again. I'm really not sure.
Long distance cycling does absolutely bugger all for weight loss, for me.
I was about 85kg last PBP. I'm 89 now. Lowest I've been between is 79kg.
I know if I do it I'll feel better, my clothes will fit better, I'll have better sex a better paid job and be more attractive to boys and faster up hill. (some of those may be lies).
I'm just not sure I can be arsed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2015, 07:16:21 pm
Over the last 6 years, my weight has ranged between 67kg (in the weeks leading up to PBP 2011) and 78kg (November 2014). Today I’m 77kg. In 1990 I weighed around 54kg and in 1997 around 70kg with 18% body fat; so most of the long-term weight gain in adulthood occurred by the time I was 25. Some of that probably because I was short for my age at 18.

Currently injured. I was hoping to be able to do chest at the gym tomorrow, but I doubt I can lift the weights onto the bar until my back’s improved. To take my mind off the pain discomfort, I picked up the guitar. Now my fingers hurt too.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 04 January, 2015, 07:23:38 pm
Usual weight, since I was about 30: 84-86 kg.

Max: 96-ish kg, a one-time peak achieved a few years ago (when I last fully participated in the yacf weight loss shenanigans) after a period of excessive eating of crap, Chinese take-aways and the like. I’ve never been as heavy before or since and I was only that weight for a matter of weeks.

Current: 84.5 kg.

I keep a close eye on it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 January, 2015, 10:17:34 am
Right. Usual weapons engaged - Dry January, minimal carbs, 5x5 Stronglifts, getting back on the bike.

#fatbegoneyabugger
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 05 January, 2015, 06:03:35 pm
Would any of you, who have been trying to lose weight in this period, care to post:

1) Start Weight
2) Year
3) Current Weight.

My weight at the start of 2010 was just shy of 90kg, on an upward trend and affecting my health. That was when I realised I needed to do something about it and started to make a concerted effort to get back into shape. My method was to greatly increase my exercise levels and not control what I ate but control how much I ate using rudimentary calorie counting. I know this doesn't work for everyone but I'm fortunate that it seems to work for me, and by the end of 2010 I was down to 78kg.

2011 wasn't as successful and my weight fluctuated up and down, but I did achieve a net loss of 4kg over the course of the year, taking me to 74kg.

2012 was another good year - I actually went below the 66kg mark at one point - but by the end of the year it had crept back up a little to 69kg.

My weight stayed fairly stable throughout 2013 at around 67-68kg.

2014 was a bad year. Stress and tiredness caused by a turbulent time at work caused me to lapse into some bad habits, namely eating and drinking too much. At the start of 2015, I'm a bit over 73kg.

I wouldn't call that a failure. What I think my experience shows is that it's very hard to maintain focus on the weight control objective when you have other shit going on in your life. Nothing wrong with the method, just my ability to stick to it - and that's due to factors out of my control. I'm confident that 2015 won't be as hard going as 2014 and that I will be able to put a halt to the current upward trend.

What my experience also shows is that exercise needs to be consistent and focused if it is to be a successful part of weight control. 2014 was a pretty good year for me in terms of landmark achievements: two marathons and a good number of audax miles, but my exercise levels were very inconsistent. I'd got into the habit of running regularly 3-4 times a week throughout 2013, but getting made redundant in spring 2014 put an end to that. I didn't do any proper training for the marathons and although I managed to struggle round them, I doubt they had any beneficial effect on my long-term health (possibly the opposite, in fact). I did a lot of cycling over the summer but that tailed off and I've only been riding intermittently for the last few months.

I have also come to the realisation that it may be impossible for me to ever reach my long-term goal of 64kg. When my weight was below 67kg, I found it very difficult to maintain it - besides which my wife thought I was starting to look underweight. I have come to the conclusion that 68kg is a "healthy" weight for me (whereas 64kg would be an "athletic" weight) and I will be happy if I can return to that level and sustain it. I also believe this is a realistic and achievable goal - cutting down the booze and getting back into my running habit will be the first steps towards it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 05 January, 2015, 07:18:42 pm
Max 110kg, min 69, (2002-2003) then I took up cycling.

I have 2 options for successfully losing weight - eat  nothing & do nothing (the helly approach) although I also lost 70kg of husband when I did that ; or do without carbohydrates and lift weights.
Doing without carbohydrates and lifting weights requires everything else in your life to go well. So I usually last about 6 weeks before injury, job loss, eviction, child drama, drug side effects - whatever, I'm not making these up - something will happen and I'll be back snarfing chocolate before you can say MyFitnessPal.
I'm currently debating whether I can face it again. I'm really not sure.
Long distance cycling does absolutely bugger all for weight loss, for me.
I was about 85kg last PBP. I'm 89 now. Lowest I've been between is 79kg.
I know if I do it I'll feel better, my clothes will fit better, I'll have better sex a better paid job and be more attractive to boys and faster up hill. (some of those may be lies).
I'm just not sure I can be arsed.
I have concluded I am going with your last sentence and I stopped counting etc two years ago.

I am heavier now than I have been in years when I have calorie counted but I feel more relaxed about things.

I could do with losing 30kg but I am becoming of the opinion that life's too short, genes and family history are against me, and that there are other things to worry about instead. As long as I am riding the bike a fair bit and my cardio-vascular system is reasonable - I am not being a couch potato - I am probably better off than a mildly overweight but sofa-bound woman of my age.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 January, 2015, 11:56:10 pm
I am not eating nothing!
There are times when I'm not eating much, but two, sensibly sized, well-balanced meals per day and little between meals seems to work.

I am currently enjoying a 3 day hotel break and have been eating rather more than I would at home.

I'll be back tomorrow and eat less.

My next weigh-in will be instructive!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 07 January, 2015, 07:30:00 am
First weigh in and 1kg down.  It does help that all the cake, chocolate and biscuits brought into work have vanished now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 07 January, 2015, 07:58:38 am
I have set myself (and reported this in the 'weight reports' thread) a short term, small weight loss target. I'm going to see if aiming for something achievable but requiring focus works any better than a nebulous 'by the end of the year' goal.

85.2 kg by 31.01.2015

This would bring me back to my lowest weight last year (and once I break that figure) to a weight lower than at any time since 2010.
Losing the first 2kg is easy.
Much of this loss is not fat.
Weight after a second month might be more indicative of genuine fat loss.
Good Luck anyway!
Totally agree Helly! And with this week's figures, I guess I've done all the easy stuff and the hard work starts NOW!
But it's a good start.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 07 January, 2015, 08:18:27 am
I've managed to put on 1.5kg over Christmas. Not quite as bad as feared, given the amount of chocolate I've eaten, but the wrong side of 60kg. :-\

Exactly the same as me, although I am now the wrong side of 70kg.

Slightly annoying as I had made a concerted effort to lose weight before Christmas and from September to December had lost 6kg, so I now have to re-lose a quarter of that all over again.  Still, could have been worse!

I find my body is a little like a juggernaut, it can take a while to turn the corner and kick-start losing weight but once it's started I can keep it at a steady downward trend.

I keep telling myself how much easier the hills will be if I can lose the excess baggage!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 07 January, 2015, 09:33:37 am
Well, I have yet to turn the corner after my New Year binge. 200g heavier than last week, but not overly concerned as New Year was a special occasion and I'm close to my target anyway. My main aim this year is not to put on weight, rather than lose oodles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 07 January, 2015, 12:32:52 pm
0.2kg down this week. Not quite sure how I managed that as I put 3kgs on over new year with a combination of friends visiting and then a paper to write - a solid weekend's work, with no exercise and much comfort eating and the odd bit of finshing up what bottles were left open in the fridge.

Still nice to be directionally correct, and encouraging to maintain rather than give up straightaway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 January, 2015, 01:09:34 pm
I have spent a weekend dining at a hotel with partner's father and extended family.
My weight is up 0.3kg on last week or back to the first recorded weight on my new digital scales, which is fine, methinks.

Things could be much worse.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 January, 2015, 01:15:32 pm
Didn't weigh in yet. Probably around 77kg again. Back has pretty much recovered now so I'll be riding a group DIY 200k this weekend which will burn off some of the flab. I'm going to stay out of the gym for a few more days yet.

Hopefully when I try to generate the graphs this evening it will 'just work'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 07 January, 2015, 01:25:52 pm
I seem to be 3kg heavier than when I last recorded my weight.  I have had a very naughty Yuletide. Too much food and alcohol.  I will now reapply discipline and watch the weight fall away.  I find it difficult at this time of year.  I tend to lie in on the weekends when it is dark and horrible outside. My weight is basically controlled by my 160 miles of commuting each week. Any activity on the weekend beyond walking to the paper shop will reduce my weight over the week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 07 January, 2015, 02:09:57 pm
I'm back and in much need of some fitness, including shedding the result of not doing much last year.

Let the slimming begin.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 07 January, 2015, 09:18:58 pm
Well, I have yet to turn the corner after my New Year binge. 200g heavier than last week,

200g ? I wouldn't worry, as Peter Kay once said "I can shit a pound".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 07 January, 2015, 09:36:31 pm
Tiny movement, a few hundred grams, but in the right direction. This close after Christmas, I'll take it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 07 January, 2015, 09:47:38 pm
My extremely optimistic aim is to shed on average 0.5kg/week.   I got down to 105 from 112 last year very easily then managed to lose momentum and put 5 back on.   

Must do better this year. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 January, 2015, 11:50:55 pm
Well, I have yet to turn the corner after my New Year binge. 200g heavier than last week,

200g ? I wouldn't worry, as Peter Kay once said "I can shit a pound".

I weighed myself before and after a BIG pee as a student and lost 850g...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 08 January, 2015, 12:01:13 am
Well, I have yet to turn the corner after my New Year binge. 200g heavier than last week,

200g ? I wouldn't worry, as Peter Kay once said "I can shit a pound".

I weighed myself before and after a BIG pee as a student and lost 850g...

Now that is impressive! 1 1/2 pints.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 08 January, 2015, 08:39:09 pm
I joined Slimming World today, partly for myself but mainly to support my partner who is morbidly obese and now has health issues. Totally different motives than mine.IE would like to be lighter so I can cycle up hills easier. :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 January, 2015, 11:26:21 pm
My reasons for wanting to be lighter:
1) Less weight for others to push in my wheelchair
2) Less weight for others to lift should I fall
3) Hope of preventing health issues
4) Desire to wear smaller clothes
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 January, 2015, 11:43:24 pm
Weighed in today at 77.2kg.

Right, now I will try to get the first datapoint for 2015 plotted…
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2015, 12:14:20 am
Sorted.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 09 January, 2015, 08:36:33 am
My extremely optimistic aim is to shed on average 0.5kg/week.   

That's a perfectly reasonable, and sensible, weight loss goal.

3500 kcals a week deficit, or 500kcals a day, or an hour's hard cycling a day.  Just don't over-reward yourself for cycling.

My motivation for weight loss is twofold:

1) Vanity.  I want to look better in nice clothes (of course Lycra is especially unforgiving)

I fully expect my application to be a Rapha model would meet with "Come back when you're not quite so fat"

2) Cycling. Nothing I've yet found makes hills easier than a lack of bodyweight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 09 January, 2015, 08:44:32 am
2) Cycling. Nothing I've yet found makes hills easier than a lack of bodyweight.

This, in spades, for me too (although I hear EPO's pretty handy too).

Oh, and the men in my family have a habit of not living as long as they're supposed to, so if I can buck that trend that'd be handy too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 09 January, 2015, 08:57:21 am
My motivations:

1) Get up hills easier
2) body shape I'm happy with
3) Practice a lifestyle where I can eat heathily and appropriately for my body type
4) Stay fit and at a consistent weight to avoid ending up like my Mum who was overweight for most of her life and now in retirement can barely walk, is depressed, has alcohol issues
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 09 January, 2015, 03:53:14 pm
Why?

Long term health
Faster up hills
I used to be strong and quick
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 09 January, 2015, 04:00:57 pm
I also want to get back into my 34 inch trousers and fit into size Large cycling clothes rather than XL.It would also be nice to have smaller boobs than my 16 year old daughter :facepalm:
But that's enough about motivation, what about commitment? Motivation without commitment=fail.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 09 January, 2015, 04:18:48 pm
what about commitment? Motivation without commitment=fail.

Fear! As health is a poor motivator (look at ourselves and the wider population if you doubt this) I've entered some events and arranged rides with faster colleagues. Short term emotional repsonse trumps long term rationality every time - simple and fundamental truth of human decision making - so need to make the short term fear stronger than the pleasure to be gained from cake
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 13 January, 2015, 09:04:14 am
Had to weigh in a day early as I am  off on anther round of drive/meet/hotels etc.
Small loss , which has been acheived despite clearing up all the Christmas food stash .
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 January, 2015, 01:24:54 pm
My weight appears up this week for no good reason.
Formal weigh-in tomorrow.
Ho hum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 13 January, 2015, 01:53:42 pm

4) Stay fit and at a consistent weight to avoid ending up like my Mum who was overweight for most of her life and now in retirement can barely walk, is depressed, has alcohol issues

I think this is the main thing about fitness, that it enhances the quality of life rather than perhaps extending it greatly.

To be honest it pisses me off a bit when I see sedentary and morbidly obese people living as long as fit, "healthy" people.

I think I should expect to live at least twice as long as someone like Cyril Smith, but the sick bastard lived to 82.  164 years old doesn't seem unreasonable when you compare our lifestyles.

However I think it's all about those final 20 years and the quality you can expect.  Sure, I know some cyclists who die, mid-ride, in their 70s and 80s .  That seems unfair until you realise they were cycling in their 70s and 80s,  not tied to an oxygen cylinder in their front room.

In 50 years (or maybe today) I can see that the UK will have an enormous issue with people in their 70s and 80s who may not have been able to walk for the past 20 years of their lives, never mind cycle 200km.

The incredible rise of "Moby-Scoots", far from giving people back their mobility, are robbing them of it, from an early age.  We have a WIMPY Burger joint in town, it looks like a Mobility Scooter dealership outside.  I assume the only exercise these people get is walking from their Scooter to the counter, to order their burger-fries.

Note.  I've heard them referred to as "Obescycles".

So, from a life-expectancy point of view, I expect I'll do as well as my Mum, Dad, Grand-Mothers & Grand-Fathers on average (Actuarial Tables say that the best way to increase life-expectancy is to choose your parents carefully) and that all I can really do is to make the intervening years as good as possible, avoiding the mobility-scooter and Oxygen cylinder for as long as possible.

To that end I think I'll focus on a sensible mixed diet (all research seems to point to "eat a varied diet, in moderation"), a fair amount of cycling and a bit of swimming.

I've found it takes a disproportionate amount of exercise to lose the same weight as cutting back on the calories but this is about being lighter, slimmer AND fitter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: davelodwig on 13 January, 2015, 02:05:11 pm
I'd like not to be so fat for my wedding! In fact that's my primary motivator right now.


4) Stay fit and at a consistent weight to avoid ending up like my Mum who was overweight for most of her life and now in retirement can barely walk, is depressed, has alcohol issues

I think this is the main thing about fitness, that it enhances the quality of life rather than perhaps extending it greatly.

To be honest it pisses me off a bit when I see sedentary and morbidly obese people living as long as fit, "healthy" people.

I think I should expect to live at least twice as long as someone like Cyril Smith, but the sick bastard lived to 82.  164 years old doesn't seem unreasonable when you compare our lifestyles.

However I think it's all about those final 20 years and the quality you can expect.  Sure, I know some cyclists who die, mid-ride, in their 70s and 80s .  That seems unfair until you realise they were cycling in their 70s and 80s,  not tied to an oxygen cylinder in their front room.

In 50 years (or maybe today) I can see that the UK will have an enormous issue with people in their 70s and 80s who may not have been able to walk for the past 20 years of their lives, never mind cycle 200km.

The incredible rise of "Moby-Scoots", far from giving people back their mobility, are robbing them of it, from an early age.  We have a WIMPY Burger joint in town, it looks like a Mobility Scooter dealership outside.  I assume the only exercise these people get is walking from their Scooter to the counter, to order their burger-fries.

Note.  I've heard them referred to as "Obescycles".

So, from a life-expectancy point of view, I expect I'll do as well as my Mum, Dad, Grand-Mothers & Grand-Fathers on average (Actuarial Tables say that the best way to increase life-expectancy is to choose your parents carefully) and that all I can really do is to make the intervening years as good as possible, avoiding the mobility-scooter and Oxygen cylinder for as long as possible.

To that end I think I'll focus on a sensible mixed diet (all research seems to point to "eat a varied diet, in moderation"), a fair amount of cycling and a bit of swimming.

I've found it takes a disproportionate amount of exercise to lose the same weight as cutting back on the calories but this is about being lighter, slimmer AND fitter.

I've often said when the grim reaper comes for me I'll be upright with my trainers on and the bugger will have to catch me first. I certainly don't intend to spend any of my old age slumped in a chair mindless watching tv unable to walk if I can help it.

D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 January, 2015, 02:15:52 pm
Life is a lottery.

On my father's side:

My grandmother died of lung cancer at 69.
My grandfather, also a smoker, lived into his early 80s.

My uncle - don't think he smoked - died of spinal cancer at 61.
My dad died of motor neurone disease at 64.

I have a remaining uncle and aunt, both in their 50s.

Here might be a reason to keep active:

bicyclelab.com/masters-athletes-keep-their-muscle-with-age/
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 13 January, 2015, 02:19:26 pm
That's the sad thing about my Mum, it was all so preventable if she'd managed to exercise more self-control and made different life choices when she was younger.

Come back to bite her with venom in its teeth now. 

The time she should have to relax and enjoy herself is instead spent in a chair doing very little and slowly wasting away.  It's taken my Dad (himself formerly a keen cyclist) down with her too as his retirement has turned into a new job of full-time carer for my Mum, any plans he had now washed away.

Nothing's going to change that now, the damage has been done.  It's just sad. 

What I take from it is a resolve not to let the same happen to me and to instil in my kids the importance of a healthy lifestyle and regular exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 13 January, 2015, 02:26:32 pm
Life is a lottery.

On my father's side:

My grandmother died of lung cancer at 69.
My grandfather, also a smoker, lived into his early 80s.

My uncle - don't think he smoked - died of spinal cancer at 61.
My dad died of motor neurone disease at 64.

I have a remaining uncle and aunt, both in their 50s.

Here might be a reason to keep active:

bicyclelab.com/masters-athletes-keep-their-muscle-with-age/

Yes it's a Lottery but it's not totally random, we don't each have just one ticket.

Risk factors are like Lottery tickets and choosing your parents unwisely is the same as buying a lot of Lottery tickets. 
Heavy smokers buy lots of tickets.
BASE Jumpers and Free-climbers buy shed loads of them (Sometimes Free-climbers inadvertently become BASE Jumpers)
With every passing year we are all allocated a lot more free tickets.

All you can do is to reduce the number of tickets you own, but we all own some.

Actuarial Tables/calculators are devoid of any sentiment and make for scary reading if your parents died young of certain diseases, you smoke and you are obese.

Edit.  Of course the human brain has been programmed over millennia to be over-optimistic on such matters.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 13 January, 2015, 02:30:26 pm
Here might be a reason to keep active:

http://bicyclelab.com/masters-athletes-keep-their-muscle-with-age/

Indeed, any of us could fall down dead tomorrow.  But we might not, and if we don't wouldn't it be nice to feel fit, healthy and well?  That we can control, the genetic hand of fate we can't.

There's also this recent study (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11326136/Ageing-does-not-have-to-bring-poor-health-and-frailty-say-Kings-College-scientists.html), the subjects of whom were audaxers!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 January, 2015, 03:07:38 pm
When it comes to the longevity lottery, I am extremely fortunate. I am not convinced that my forebears' lifestyles have made a huge difference. I am lucky, very, very lucky.

Mum is 79 next month, 69kg fit, active and probably on an aeroplane heading back to Blighty with
Dad, 84, slowing down and getting frail. He's been overweight most of his adult life, though not HYOOGE.

Dad's three sisters were all older than him and have all died; one was wiped by a drink-driver at 38 and the others died at 78 and 85.
Mum has three of her four siblings.

Mum's parents lived into their mid 90s.
Her mother was slim, smoked cigarillos but knew how to LIVE.
Her father smoked 40 per day for many years, then stopped abruptly (in his 50s I think) for a 'dare'. He was overweight in his later years but not grossly obese. He took daily walks until he was too slow and feeble.

Dad's father died at the age of 41 from some abdominal surgical problem.
Dad's mother weighed 14 stone on the big weighing scales at Woolworth's in 1964. She died in 1999 at the age of 101. She never smoked and drank little.

Dad's mother was demanding BUTTER on her Matza on the day she died; no low-cholesterol fads for her!

I am very, very lucky...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 13 January, 2015, 03:17:52 pm
Mixed news from my genetics.

GN: Most of my ancestors lived to ripe old ages (90+)
BN: They nearly all died of "dementia".

I'm hoping that was then a synonym for "a bit old and doddery", rather than full-on loony toons.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 January, 2015, 03:22:53 pm
One of Dad's sisters had vascular dementia.
Mum's father probably suffered from this too from 93+
There seems to be little dementia in my family.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 13 January, 2015, 04:20:58 pm
I'm not convinced that the genetics lottery works in our favour, whether it colours our expectations for better or worse. We should see ourselves as individuals, but we are influenced by our perception of our likely chances, it's easy to see how that perception can be unhelpful, whichever side you are on.

In my case, my father and his father before him were both fat gits, who smoked all their lives. They both lived into their late 80's, they both suffered strokes that blighted their last years. Despite my determination not to have one of those if I can possibly help it, I can't help thinking that just not smoking and being active should be enough. Where I should be terrified of being overweight, there's a little voice that says "you cant escape your destiny".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 January, 2015, 04:29:49 pm
It is very difficult to prevent oneself becoming fat.
It might help load the dice in your favour.
I am sure being very fat is not very healthy but you don't need a doctor to tell you this!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 January, 2015, 04:40:55 pm
I might as well Eat All the Pies

GM: Died 78, dementia (10 year slide downhill). Stroke too, while enfeebled.
GF: Died 48, Heart Disease, non smoker, active (canoed down the Tyne aged 45)

F: High BP, statins (67)
U: High BP, statins (64)
 
GM: Died, 52, early onset alzheimers
GF: Died, 58, Heart disease (smoked till age 50?) active (planted Kielder- with some help)

M: Fit and well. (66)
A & U: Mostly well (early 60s)


To be honest I'd rather emulate the paternal Grandfather who despite leaving unfinanced wife and children just dropped down dead, than either grandmother who didn't recognise their own offspring and were dazed and confused living in homes that stank of piss for years.  :-\

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 13 January, 2015, 04:47:02 pm
Actuarial Tables say that the best way to increase life-expectancy is to choose your parents carefully

Last week I had an NHS check up. At the end of it I was given a risk score which indicated that I had a 1 in 8 chance of having a heart attack or stroke within the next 10 years. I exercise regurlalry, don't smoke, drink to moderation, eat a mixed varied diet and am not overweight (BMI in the 22/23 range). The only black mark was a slightly raised cholesterol level of 5.1, though the HDL was good at 1.38, so they didn't seem concerned. I asked the nurse if there was anything I could do to improve the score. Her recommendation was to either lie about my age (the main factor counting against me) or take up base jumping so as to increase the chance of an untimely death before a heart attack got me. Both answers are technically correct, but not exactly helpful. I'll have to phrase my questions in future so that I actually ask what I meant to ask.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 13 January, 2015, 05:04:28 pm
I'd like not to be so fat for my wedding! In fact that's my primary motivator right now.

Don't lose too much - or you'll make a rod for your own back in future. My motivation to lose weight some years ago was to be the same weight for my eldest's wedding as I was at mine. I made it - just. Since then I put about 6kg back on which I'm currently trying to lose so that I can be at my wedding weight for the birth of the first grandchild. It's going to be a close run thing as the baby is due any day, but this morning when I checked I only had 0.1kg to go. I'm hopeful that at tomorrow's official weigh in I'll be there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 14 January, 2015, 07:51:47 am
Tough week as it included my birthday which, being part of a very large family (in more ways than one!), requires much visiting, tea and cake, celebratory meals, etc.   I was optimistically hoping to not gain so to register a 0.2kg loss for the week is a big win.   

Back to the routine now saving a second weekend of birthday and belated Christmas celebration.   Still, get all the excess over early in the year.   
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 14 January, 2015, 07:58:23 am
Tough week as it included my birthday which, being part of a very large family (in more ways than one!), requires much visiting, tea and cake, celebratory meals, etc.   I was optimistically hoping to not gain so to register a 0.2kg loss for the week is a big win.   

Back to the routine now saving a second weekend of birthday and belated Christmas celebration.   Still, get all the excess over early in the year.   

This week also included my birthday, hence 0.4kg up on the week.  Still need to turn the corner on post-Christmas weight increase.  Just had the last bit of birthday cake for breakfast so that's all the bad stuff in the house now eaten.  Back to healthy!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 14 January, 2015, 08:01:51 am
100g loss is better than 100g gain I suppose
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 14 January, 2015, 08:15:11 am
I am clearly a.m. not f.m.

coz I am static
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 14 January, 2015, 08:18:20 am
Did it!!! Today I hit my interim target of 74.0kg, which is the weight I was when I got married, some 35 years ago... I'd like to lose another kg before the summer, but I'm happy at the weight I am for the winter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 14 January, 2015, 08:33:45 am
Looking at my genetic pool it's a mixed picture and a large sample size, both sides of the family being quite numerous.

Paternal:

Without outside influences such as accidents, industrial accidents or wars, my father's side of the family tend to like well into their eighties or even nineties.   No records of telegrams.   There has been a small spattering of smoking but it seems to have had little effect and only a few have smoked.   In physique the best way to describe them is slightly larger than average.

Maternal:

These mainly fall into two categories:   Those that have debauched themselves into an early grave and those who haven't and thus have made it into their eighties.   Again, no telegrams but an awful lot more smokers and drinkers.   The early gravers start in their mid to late forties, through their fifties and into early sixties.

What is promising is that all who manage to survive into their eighties from both sides remain fairly active and sound of mind right up to the end.   There has been very little lingering death.

So, having briefly dallied with smoking at a teen and alcohol as a midlife crisis adult, I've got over the big hurdles my family have faced so just need to avoid the stupid accidents whilst out exercising or being active.  Oh... 

It is an ambition of mine to become the first in the family to receive a telegram, or will it just be a Twatacheogram by then, just as it was my honour to be the first to graduate even though I did so aged 47!   
   
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 14 January, 2015, 08:48:31 am
Gained a bit this week, but less than I lost last week so I'll survive. Need to put some effort in over the next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 14 January, 2015, 09:02:25 am
I've been tracking my weight for over 2 years now, I find it helpful as it means that I can't hide from the facts and can clearly see when I'm gaining weight.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 14 January, 2015, 09:43:33 am
I asked the nurse if there was anything I could do to improve the score. Her recommendation was to either lie about my age (the main factor counting against me) or take up base jumping so as to increase the chance of an untimely death before a heart attack got me.

You need to join BUPA, they weed out the smart-arse bastards at the interview stage.

Funny though, if not very comforting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 January, 2015, 12:35:42 pm
I have gained a bit.
Plod on...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 14 January, 2015, 01:29:46 pm
Helli, you win some, you lose some. Last week I was up, this week I was down by over a kg (which isn't realistic - that loss was made over 2 weeks at least). At the risk of teaching my grandma how to suk eggs you know that you'll get there. You have the motivation. The problem is that you are now close to your goal and the last little bit is always the hardest. Your charts show a sustained downwards trend. If anyone knows what they are doing, you do. The thing that amazes me is that you have to do this by dieting alone. Without the chance to get some exercise, my weight would balloon.

If all else fails, you could go on the Harry Secombe diet: eat as much as you want, as often as you want of whatever you want. Just don't swallow  :) (It's a pity it never really worked for him)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 January, 2015, 01:48:12 pm
I am not bothered by a truly trivial increase.
It's probably all just been flushed into the sewers, anyway. ;D

I will get down to 9 stone.
One day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 January, 2015, 02:04:50 pm
I didn’t cut and paste last week’s weight into this week’s entry, honest!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 January, 2015, 02:12:25 pm
Now we have these new, precise digital scales, we can see day-to-day variations to the nearest 0.1kg.
There are times when things seem very consistent.

Other times, there can be BIG fluctuations.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 January, 2015, 02:17:52 pm
There was plenty variation earlier in the week after my weekend 200k.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 14 January, 2015, 02:55:24 pm
Now we have these new, precise digital scales, we can see day-to-day variations to the nearest 0.1kg.
There are times when things seem very consistent.

Other times, there can be BIG fluctuations.

Yes, the ability to measure small variations in hydration and stored food residue is quite interesting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 14 January, 2015, 04:09:37 pm
Against all advice, I weigh most days (scales record to .1kg), but just to look for a trend. I always weigh at the same time (early morning, after run, shave and shower, but before food). I only record once a week, however. I'm normally heaviest on a Monday or Tuesday and my weight reduces to it's lowest point by Friday or Saturday. My weight the following Wednesday will normally be similar to the previous Saturday morning. It can vary .3 to .4kg between days, but it's the trend I'm looking for. That is usually consistent - up, down or level. Interestingly, I can also reduce my weight by 100-200 grammes by stepping on first with my left foot, rather than my right. If I suddenly see a massive weight loss one day, I can usually put it down to my other half adjusting the zero set point so that the scales tell her what she thinks she ought to weigh...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 January, 2015, 04:14:00 pm
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with daily weighing. If there is truly random noise in a signal, then sampling that signal less frequently will make it harder to filter out the noise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 14 January, 2015, 04:19:49 pm
I weigh in Stone/Pounds and in integers.  To me 13 Stone 12 1/2 pounds is 13-12.  I think a pound/500g is granular enough. 

It means that some weeks I don't log a change and some weeks I may lose 2 pounds, even though the loss may have been very similar.

It's a big mug of tea.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 14 January, 2015, 05:04:59 pm
The thing that amazes me is that you have to do this by dieting alone. Without the chance to get some exercise, my weight would balloon.
You'd be surprised.
Actually, your appetite is often more manageable if you don't exercise. The extra appetite generated by exercise is greater, in this obesogenic world, than the calories it uses. That's definitely true for me- aerobic exercise=starving cake lust

I've lost 2kg this week.

Most of it was snot, though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 January, 2015, 06:02:19 pm
Generally I’d agree that you tend to eat more if you exercise more.

When I stop exercising, I balloon somewhat, because it takes too long for the eating more to stop.

I am feeling hungry right now. Off to the gym then.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 14 January, 2015, 06:32:41 pm
Against all advice, I weigh most days <snip>
Not necessarily, although the researchers do acknowledge some limitations in their work, mostly down to a small sample size.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jan/11/how-often-should-i-weigh-myself (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jan/11/how-often-should-i-weigh-myself)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 14 January, 2015, 06:43:51 pm
Work makes me overweight - a simple combination of late nights, no (reasonable time for) exercise and the consequent comfort eating soon piles on the pounds kgs
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 14 January, 2015, 07:30:00 pm
Did it!!! Today I hit my interim target of 74.0kg, which is the weight I was when I got married, some 35 years ago... I'd like to lose another kg before the summer, but I'm happy at the weight I am for the winter.

Well done
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 January, 2015, 09:17:07 pm

I've lost 2kg this week.

Most of it was snot, though.

Well done!
Get Unsnotty Soon!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 January, 2015, 11:36:04 am
The fluctuations continue:
13/01          63.2kg
14/01          62.8kg
15/01          62.2kg
16/01          61.5kg
17/01          61.8kg
18/01          61.3kg
19/01          61.7kg
20/01          61.7kg
21/01          61.7kg

All water and poo...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 January, 2015, 11:38:57 am
I'm down 0.5kg today vs yesterday. All sweat, I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 15 January, 2015, 12:43:15 pm
I am down from where I started but I have been laid up in bed with  some virus. The only things that I have wanted to eat for the last few days has been satsumas.  They're not known for their lard laying propensity.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 16 January, 2015, 10:13:29 am
One thing I have found to be really helpful in losing weight recently is the My Fitness Pal (http://www.myfitnesspal.com/) website/mobile app.

Basically you put in all your details, activity level, set a goal, say how much you would like to lose and it sets a daily calorie target for you (you can change this to whatever you want too).

You then log everything that you eat and all the exercise that you do to keep track of calorie intake and expenditure. 

It has a very good database of foods and meals including a barcode scanner for easy input.  It also links in with strava (amongst others) so any activities you upload to strava are automatically imported to My Fitness Pal.

I've found it very useful in gaining an awareness of exactly how many calories I'm consuming. It has made me take a lot more notice of the calorific values of food and portion size.

Might be helpful to the rest of you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 January, 2015, 11:11:06 am
Many of us are already using MyFitnessPal or other tracking apps. You can also link MyFitnessPal to Strava or iCardo (and others - I assume) which means that your activities logged in these are automatically synced across.

One thing to bear in mind is that MFP's default carb:fat:protein ratio may not be right for your own activity level, e.g. if you are trying to build muscle the protein level is too low. However this is customizable but it stays a ratio. So for instance I've set up mine to a, iirc I get calories in a 30:30:40 protein:fat:carb ratio - so giving a protein intake of around 150g. However on a day where I've done a 200km Audax I would not need to increase my protein intake above 150g, but I need more carbs. MFP sticks to that 30:30:40 ratio that I set, which doesn't match what I do.

Another issue some have is they find the energy estimates for activities are too high so they over-consume if they eat the amount of food this suggests you can eat. I've found the estimates from Strava and iCardio (which are based on heart rate and gps data rather than assumed values) a little lower.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 16 January, 2015, 01:15:07 pm
I've used MyFitnessPal a lot and am a fan. It also links to Endomondo and fitbits. As SimonP says, take the calories consumed when exercising with a very large pinch of salt (no - not literally...).

However, the best thing about using it is that I see how many calories that mince pie or that piece of Toblerone is going to add, before I eat it. More  often than not, it makes me think twice and I put it down before consuming. At least I know what that extra treat is costing me. This assumes, of course, that you log before you eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 January, 2015, 03:18:44 pm
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with daily weighing. If there is truly random noise in a signal, then sampling that signal less frequently will make it harder to filter out the noise.

I used to weigh daily, entering the figures into an Excel spreadsheet and plotting them in a graph. But instead of using the daily measurements for the graph, I plotted a rolling ten-day average. It irons out the noise very well.

Then I realised that the ten-day average graph looked remarkably similar to the once-a-week graph.

Either way, I've fallen out of the habit of regular weighing in the last year or so.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 January, 2015, 04:52:11 pm
Weekly weighing seems noisy to me, personally.
A 10 day rolling average sounds very reasonable if I could be bothered with the faff.
Which is unlikely.

As the world fell out of my bottom this morning, I would not be surprised if tomorrow's weight shows another loss, totalling 2kg for the week or month or year - choose whichever you would like to believe.

I am losing fat slowly and hip measurements are less noisy but rather coarse.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 16 January, 2015, 05:06:57 pm

As the world fell out of my bottom this morning, I would not be surprised if tomorrow's weight shows another loss,

Thanks for sharing that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 January, 2015, 03:25:28 pm
Weight seems nearly 2kg down in 5 days.
My waist and hips are a bit smaller.

I might have lost a kilogram of fat this year.
Or less.

I would not be surprised if my weight rose a bit, even if the fat was shrinking slowly.
These things are perverse and can be demoralising.

It is long-term fat loss that really matters.
It is happening...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 21 January, 2015, 08:44:23 am
Another week another loss.  So that's good considering I have had a rotten virus so have done no cycling or exercise of any sort.  The next few weeks will be the test as losses tend to slow down after the initial shock to the system of new healthy eating.  I would rather it was slow and steady and I make it more as a way of life than a diet, I have always gone back to old eating patterns after diets and then put it all back on again.  There may be a lesson there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 21 January, 2015, 09:45:49 am
1.5kg down this week, finally turned the post-Christmas corner.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 21 January, 2015, 10:36:32 am
Another 0.7kg so slow but steady, and without going onto a specific diet so far this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 21 January, 2015, 11:39:18 am
A step backwards this week - up 0.6kgs. Hopefully just noise...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 January, 2015, 12:14:34 pm
I seem to have stopped wild fluctuations. (See daily weights upthread.)
I'm 1.1kg lighter than last week.
Which is fine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 21 January, 2015, 12:17:05 pm
Some improvement after last week's small gain, and I'm back under 100kg again. Nice first little milestone, but lots of work left to do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 23 January, 2015, 08:53:25 am
Flatlining this week , but have had v. little exercise due to icy roads and snotty cold all last weekend.
Got out on bike yesterday and feel much better this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 January, 2015, 09:52:15 pm
Same weight on 5 consecutive days.
Just looked at the nutritional info for desserts at next week's Big Social Meal.
Can't say the items are tempting enough to justify their Calorie count.

Will use the strict 12 hourly timing of New Medication to be Taken only on Empty Stomach  as excuse to eschew Whitbread's meh desserts.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 January, 2015, 10:15:48 pm
Seem to have had a mild bout of gastroenteritis for the last two days. Might have lost a pound or two.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 27 January, 2015, 10:15:04 am
Start of december - about 73kg.

Head/balance illness strikes, loss of sleep, cycling starts to decrease rapidly . . . .

Currently about 86kg. Not sure where all the weight is going but my clothes are getting tighter and only about 3 pairs of trousers actually fit. Lardy thighs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 27 January, 2015, 10:55:24 am
GWS ,mrcharly. That is pretty demoralising.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 January, 2015, 12:59:27 pm
Wot madcow sed.

I have stopped daily weighing since my weight has been squeezing upwards after being 'stuck' on 61.7kg five times last week.

Went for Big Social Meal last night and ate more than I should, without enjoying it much.

Will weigh myself tonight and expect a modest gain on last week but who knows?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 27 January, 2015, 09:25:00 pm
Don't know what to say, mrcharly, apart from Get Well Soon. The problem is, that when you're not feeling your best, if you are anything like me you take comfort in the biscuit barrel. I hope things start to improve.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 27 January, 2015, 09:28:56 pm
Wot madcow sed.

I have stopped daily weighing since my weight has been squeezing upwards after being 'stuck' on 61.7kg five times last week.

Went for Big Social Meal last night and ate more than I should, without enjoying it much.

Will weigh myself tonight and expect a modest gain on last week but who knows?

Well, I was hoping for a resonable reduction at this week's weigh in. However, I've just discovered a last box of mincepies at the back of the cupbaord and they've got a useby date of tomorrow. Somehow, I think I may end up following the useby instructions this evening :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 January, 2015, 09:36:56 pm
Mince pies will keep beyond any use-by date. IMO they're not so nice that they are really worth the calories.

Chocolate is another matter...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 28 January, 2015, 07:58:00 am
Same, same this week.

Although I do now have some new scales (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Salter-9141-WH3R-Analyser-Bathroom/dp/B003X3A3EY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1422431851&sr=8-2&keywords=salter+scales) which added 0.3kg on compared to the old scales.  I've increased all of my weights for this year by 0.3kg to compensate.  Makes my goal a slight bit more of a challenge now!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 January, 2015, 07:58:10 am
I have set myself (and reported this in the 'weight reports' thread) a short term, small weight loss target. I'm going to see if aiming for something achievable but requiring focus works any better than a nebulous 'by the end of the year' goal.

85.2 kg by 31.01.2015

This would bring me back to my lowest weight last year (and once I break that figure) to a weight lower than at any time since 2010.
Losing the first 2kg is easy.
Much of this loss is not fat.
Weight after a second month might be more indicative of genuine fat loss.
Good Luck anyway!
Totally agree Helly! And with this week's figures, I guess I've done all the easy stuff and the hard work starts NOW!
But it's a good start.
:smug: 85.0 this morning. Target updated to 'under thirteen stone' by the end of March. Again, short term focus. I do have an intermediate 'target' as well in that we're doing a weight loss club at work and the end of that is the middle of March. A different set of peers to be accountable to!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 28 January, 2015, 07:59:19 am
I seem to be ticking along, steadily losing 0.2kgs per week.   The trend is in the right direction so I'll take that.   :thumbsup:   
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 28 January, 2015, 08:51:49 am
Another slight gain, continuing my pattern of two steps forward one step back. Still, it's progress of a sort.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: davelodwig on 28 January, 2015, 09:23:27 am
Back trending in the right direction at the halfway point this week.  Notably the running is getting easier again and people at work have noticed that my face is looking thinner.

TDM noticed that my bum was perter as well but I guess that's her prerogative.

D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 28 January, 2015, 09:24:15 am
Another loss this week  0.4 kg down is about right on the long slow journey.   Started 5:2 on the 1st Jan, having got the meds under control,  and it seems to be the way for me to go.  To quote a very different board on mfp,   " you are never more than 1 day away from pudding".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 28 January, 2015, 10:10:03 am
Bigger loss this week of 1.5kg, but last week was a false lifestyle high I think. Trend is still down and colleague thought I'd lost a bit.

Now to get out on bike a bit more...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 28 January, 2015, 11:25:22 am
Loss for January 3.3kg in total and I am pleased with that as I haven't felt deprived.  I am off to Belgium (land of mussels, chips and mayonnaise and chocolate) at the weekend so I am hoping not to put on and get back to small losses when I get back. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 28 January, 2015, 12:15:23 pm
Big loss for me this week (1.7kg though last week was a false high), when I don't really need it - sorry. I've hit my goal and am trying to balance out by eating more without bouncing back up again. However, I don't quite think I've got the hang of it yet. I'm not complaining - the extra weight off is a bonus, but just not one I was aiming for.

I intend to stay here and keep monitoring so that I don't start slowly increasing again. It took me 2 years to get down from 92.5kg+ to about 72.4 in mid 2012 and then another 18 months or so to creep back up to 80kg in November 2014. Since then, with active recording of my diet on MFP and getting out and trying some running (Couch to 5K) I'm now down at 72.0kg.

At my peak in 2010 I had a BMI of 27.6 and I'm now down to 21.5. I feel a lot better for it. I no longer get "that lecture" when I visit my GP I've lost 4" off my waist and it's cost me a fortune in new clothes and belts, but I'm not complaining.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 January, 2015, 12:42:25 pm
Another slight gain, continuing my pattern of two steps forward one step back. Still, it's progress of a sort.
Better than mine of two steps back for each one forward.

I hate this shit.

Mostly because I ate that shit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 January, 2015, 01:10:25 pm
I am 0.2kg up on last week, which might not be significant.
I am lighter than at the New Year.
Which will have to do.

Maybe I'm just kidding myself...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 February, 2015, 12:03:36 pm
Consistently lighter this week - I'm weighing almost daily with my new toy - so I'm happy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 04 February, 2015, 12:13:04 pm
I actually, surprisingly, sneaked under my target weight.  That in a week when I've not been out on the bike because of ice and had a > 3000 calorie day on Saturday.

We'll see if it sticks next week...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 04 February, 2015, 12:31:45 pm
Up 0.7kgs this morning, but was down 0.1 on Sunday morning - so hoping to reverse reverse this week.

Should be viable with a bit more time and a (partially) working bike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 February, 2015, 03:32:55 pm
Heavier than a heavy thing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 04 February, 2015, 03:51:27 pm
I'm happy. Slightly up on last week, but that's all in the noise. I'm now not trying to lose any more - just not go up again. Considering I had a weekend of snacking in motorway service areas and hospital canteens without a chance to have a proper meal or take any exercise, I'm surprised I didn't go up 2kg. I hit my target (which was to be the same weight I was at 25). Back in November that looked like a long shot.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 05 February, 2015, 11:44:34 am
I've put on 1 kg this week.I have been comfort eating a bit though,what with the cold weather and all.That apple pie and custard was nice though :P.Hopefully the weather will pick up soon and I will transform myself into a lean mean cycling god.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 06 February, 2015, 11:00:12 pm
I really need to rejoin this thread. Injury has done nothing for my fitness or my waist line  :facepalm:
Trouble is, I'm not prepared to risk it all on ice to get the miles in right now ....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 February, 2015, 11:39:26 pm
I need some more company at the lower section of the graphs!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 07 February, 2015, 09:00:21 am
It really is amazing how weight just comes from nowhere, one day your trousers fit, next day they are tight, scales seem to back up the theory, despite BEING GOOD :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 07 February, 2015, 09:34:15 am
I really need to rejoin this thread. Injury has done nothing for my fitness or my waist line  :facepalm:
Trouble is, I'm not prepared to risk it all on ice to get the miles in right now ....
Just be patient the winter will soon be over and its more important to be fit and slim in the Summer.Do some pilates or yoga and do some HIIT workouts on the turbo.Don't comfort eat or drink :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 February, 2015, 11:14:48 am
Trouble is, I'm not prepared to risk it all on ice to get the miles in right now ....

Damn right, same here!

I'm trying hard not to sweat about it. I'm doing weights, walking a lot, and some occasional rowing - the bike miles will just have to wait.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 07 February, 2015, 09:49:09 pm
Another loss. This has been steady through January, even the weekend away in Belgium didn't scupper me, I ate exactly what I wanted while I was there and back to low fat, low carbs when I got back.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 February, 2015, 10:00:27 pm
Well done lisat!

I reckon a few days' indulgence, followed by a return to dieting only adds a pound of fat or stall the weight loss for a week or two in the long term.

Trick is to indulge ONLY on days you are away.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 February, 2015, 06:33:36 pm
354km for me in the last 7 days. Three trips to the gym. An hour playing football. I better see some results or I'll be Very Cross.  ::-)

PS Am knackered.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 February, 2015, 06:44:51 pm
Don't weigh yourself too soon!

(Or at least don't let your Feb 11 weight make you too Cross!)

If all this overexertion has an effect on your weight, it will be on your Feb 18th recording.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 February, 2015, 10:37:50 am
Pretty much doubled the weights I'm lifting in the last month, so fat loss is probably disguised. I can confirm my muffin top has reduced  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 February, 2015, 11:32:27 am
Up 1.1kg on last week.
Hip circumference less.
Blame Mum's salty soup...
Yeah right!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 February, 2015, 11:46:02 am
In the noise for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 February, 2015, 01:40:27 pm
My current weight is within a whisker of my January 1 weight.
Any variation could be classed as 'noise'...
... yet I kid myself I am less fat...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 February, 2015, 02:25:14 pm
I could be a bit less fat. 230 miles last week says I should have burned a bit anyway. I ate about 9 eggs yesterday though.  Where is the smelly fart smiley?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 11 February, 2015, 09:37:38 pm
0.4kg up again this week.Struggling at the mo. Need a bit more will power and to be less tired. At least I've been out on the bike and it's a long term plan!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 February, 2015, 02:26:41 am
Is it wrong not to weight yourself on what you know will be the fattest week of the month?   :-X :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 12 February, 2015, 06:43:36 am
Half a kilo on, however I have changed my weigh in day at SW from Saturday morning to Wednesday evening as I want to get out on some Saturday rides now.  Talking to the woman who runs it she said that there is usually a difference between morning weight and evening weight of .5 - 1kg. I am going to take her at her word.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 February, 2015, 01:04:43 pm
Is it wrong not to weight yourself on what you know will be the fattest week of the month?   :-X :facepalm:

Is it your fattest or your heaviest?

Either way, variations are probably 'noise' in the grand scheme of things.
If a bowl of salty soup gains me a kilo in weight and I know I am no fatter than the previous week, then the weight at the end of the month/year whatever will be no greater.

The important thing is not to get dispirited by a non-fat gain, think 'Stuff this' and binge eat, converting a trivial water gain into a significant fat gain.

I did not weigh myself much in 2012 and only filled out the weight reports for that year in retrospect quite recently.
It was the year I lost most of my excess weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 February, 2015, 04:16:19 pm
I seem to have lost the weekend's water weight today - down to about 76.5kg this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 13 February, 2015, 12:17:45 am
Is it wrong not to weight yourself on what you know will be the fattest week of the month?   :-X :facepalm:

Is it your fattest or your heaviest?

Either way, variations are probably 'noise' in the grand scheme of things.
If a bowl of salty soup gains me a kilo in weight and I know I am no fatter than the previous week, then the weight at the end of the month/year whatever will be no greater.

The important thing is not to get dispirited by a non-fat gain, think 'Stuff this' and binge eat, converting a trivial water gain into a significant fat gain.

I did not weigh myself much in 2012 and only filled out the weight reports for that year in retrospect quite recently.
It was the year I lost most of my excess weight.

I dunno whether I am fatter or heavier, or both, but for around 5 days each month I am a full 2kg heavier than normal!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 February, 2015, 12:32:02 am
Is it wrong not to weight yourself on what you know will be the fattest week of the month?   :-X :facepalm:

Is it your fattest or your heaviest?

Either way, variations are probably 'noise' in the grand scheme of things.
If a bowl of salty soup gains me a kilo in weight and I know I am no fatter than the previous week, then the weight at the end of the month/year whatever will be no greater.

The important thing is not to get dispirited by a non-fat gain, think 'Stuff this' and binge eat, converting a trivial water gain into a significant fat gain.

I did not weigh myself much in 2012 and only filled out the weight reports for that year in retrospect quite recently.
It was the year I lost most of my excess weight.

I dunno whether I am fatter or heavier, or both, but for around 5 days each month I am a full 2kg heavier than normal!

You DO know! It's NOT fat!
2kg fatty tissue is around 15,000kcal. That's a week's worth of food or starvation. If you are eating normally, you can't build up an excess or deficit that fast.

It's mainly water.
Don't weigh yourself if a gain would upset you.
Keep on eating sensibly.
Weigh your self next week, possibly several times to track variation.

and breathe...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 February, 2015, 12:54:31 am
I'm 2kg heavier than I was this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 13 February, 2015, 04:39:20 pm
Up 1.5kg on last week, and in a week that I did my first 200 of the year.  I've noticed that pattern before, that I'll be heavier in the week or two after a big ride. I can provide no sensible explanation for this.

Seems to settle down again after a couple of weeks so I don't concern myself with it.

If anyone could suggest why this might be, I would welcome any explanations!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 February, 2015, 04:40:50 pm
Fluid retention in injured/repairing muscles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 February, 2015, 05:43:01 pm
Standard pathophysiological response to 'trauma'.
Well-known phenomenon in post-op surgical patients.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 14 February, 2015, 10:08:51 am
Thanks for the explanation, that makes a lot of sense.

I would imagine that the more frequently I ride 200s the less I would notice this effect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hot Flatus on 14 February, 2015, 10:12:05 am
Judging by what I have just had to climb down off of, I reckon I've just lost about 3kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 18 February, 2015, 06:22:20 am
down 2 kg this week but it is transit problems that now seem to have cleared.   :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 February, 2015, 11:45:14 am
Probably losing fat slowly.
Lighter than last week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 18 February, 2015, 12:01:28 pm
Well, as predicted I lost all of the 'trauma-induced' gain of last week and then some.  Now under my target weight so need to avoid losing any more and practice maintaining a steady weight.

I've found that in the past if I eat to the 2100 or so recommended net calories I will put on weight, there's a sweet spot for me under that which I'm trying to work out exactly where. I think it might be at about 1900.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 18 February, 2015, 02:53:37 pm
I was on course for a new low for the year.  But I went out last night. 

Oh well, I have no mis-behaving planned until Wednesday evening next week. I timed that one much better. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 February, 2015, 03:15:56 pm
2000kcal is not very much for a tall man who moves at all.

Adult male recommendation was 2,500kcal until recently, when it got downsized because men were upsizing...

jhob might need more CAEK and PIES, within reason.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 February, 2015, 03:24:26 pm
People are less active generally so the calories required to get by have reduced.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 February, 2015, 04:16:49 pm
People are less active generally so the calories required to get by have reduced.

Indeed but jhob is both taller and more active than Mr Average and might need more calories.

2,000kcal per day might *just* be enough.
Or not.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 18 February, 2015, 07:43:45 pm
Well here's the thing, most of my life is actually pretty sedentary. I spend my day and often evenings sat behind a computer and most weeks the only exercise I get is  a couple of hours on the bike once or maybe twice and 90minutes of yoga. I'm self employed and work from home so dont even have a commute anywhere.

When I do exercise now I try and replace the calories that I have burnt, its net, not total calories that I'm aiming for

If I consumed 2500 calories a day I guarantee I would slap on weight! I think I must have a slow metabolism as if I'm not careful I put on weight really easily, I've just learnt to be pretty disciplined with myself. Not so long ago I was 3 stone heavier than I am now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 February, 2015, 08:12:46 pm
14 stone is not huge for a man who is 6'3".
Your day certainly sounds sedentary and you've done well to slim down as much as you have.
Any lighter(than your current 11 stone) would probably not be healthy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 18 February, 2015, 11:50:08 pm
Well, 6ft2! When I was 14st I wasn't happy - all of my weight goes on my chest and belly so it was moob and beer belly city. I just didn't feel comfortable in my own skin, hence why I wanted to lose some weight and get fitter. That was all pre-audaxing.

I'd say I've been happy with my body shape since being around the 12st mark and am quite happy where I am now at 11st. But you are absolutely right - I do not want to lose any more weight. My goal is go remain steady at where I'm at.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 19 February, 2015, 06:47:50 am
Gain of last week gone.  So I can now settle into the Wednesday evening weigh in at Slimming World.  Didn't think I would stck this long bit I quite like the banter and it focuses me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 19 February, 2015, 10:37:46 am
Well back on a weight loss scheme again….must be the 482th time I have tried to lose weight! This one must work as at 125.5kg, I am almost twice my ideal weight. Also, with a BMI of 45.5, hypertension and type two diabetes, I don’t see my body lasting much longer without even more major issues than these….especially as heart and stroke problems run in my family.

So, I have set myself a target of losing 10kg in 10 weeks: tough but achievable. Why such a target? Well I would like to do the following:  https://www.khhospice.org.uk/event/specialized-cycling-challenge-2015
For my local hospice. I haven’t done a 60 mile plus ride for over 30 years, so that’s my target. After that… perhaps 10kg in the following 20 weeks, so with a bit of luck, I will be around 100kg by the end of the year.

What if I fail to achieve my first target? Well, given that I cannot go on at this weight much longer, I will consider having a gastric band fitted. I have looked into these and DO NOT want one! They sound terrible but do seem to work. Unlike some people, I don’t see them as an easy option; in fact quite the opposite given the operation and general restriction on your life thereafter.

Right….back to the salad!  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 February, 2015, 10:55:00 am
Must remember to update the graphs tonight. And add my weights for this week and last.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 February, 2015, 11:35:44 am
We do appreciate your work, simonp!
Thanks for maintaining the graphs!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 19 February, 2015, 11:45:40 am
Well, 6ft2! When I was 14st I wasn't happy - all of my weight goes on my chest and belly so it was moob and beer belly city. I just didn't feel comfortable in my own skin, hence why I wanted to lose some weight and get fitter. That was all pre-audaxing.

I'd say I've been happy with my body shape since being around the 12st mark and am quite happy where I am now at 11st. But you are absolutely right - I do not want to lose any more weight. My goal is go remain steady at where I'm at.

14 stone is not huge for a man who is 6'3".
Your day certainly sounds sedentary and you've done well to slim down as much as you have.
Any lighter(than your current 11 stone) would probably not be healthy.

Well, 6ft2! When I was 14st I wasn't happy - all of my weight goes on my chest and belly so it was moob and beer belly city. I just didn't feel comfortable in my own skin, hence why I wanted to lose some weight and get fitter. That was all pre-audaxing.

I'd say I've been happy with my body shape since being around the 12st mark and am quite happy where I am now at 11st. But you are absolutely right - I do not want to lose any more weight. My goal is go remain steady at where I'm at.


John, you're in danger of being an inspiration - or at least justification for thinness to Mrs S. I'm 6ft 1in, which due to age I round down to 185cm rather than up to 186. When I left Uni I weighed about 10st 10lbs and when I was running quickish 800s and 5000s in my mid 20s I was 11st 3lbs - that allowed for a lot fast running and a couple of sessions in the gym each week. It also sets my expectations now, so I find being close to 14st is far too much and hence 12st becomes a sensible first target (I really hated it when I reached 15st 7lbs after injury and inactivity).

What is quite alarming is that the sort of weight targets we have are now viewed as so low, as the general population has grown. I'm having increasing sympathy with Chris S and fboab and their diet, plus the background to the diet, when you see the impact of the very sweet and carb loaded snack foods that proliferate in our shops. My youngest has a real problem with seeking out sugar (perhaps because we hide it;)) and it is clear that it has addictive properties in terms of impact on eating habits.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 19 February, 2015, 12:02:23 pm
Well back on a weight loss scheme again….must be the 482th time I have tried to lose weight! This one must work as at 125.5kg, I am almost twice my ideal weight. Also, with a BMI of 45.5, hypertension and type two diabetes, I don’t see my body lasting much longer without even more major issues than these….especially as heart and stroke problems run in my family.

So, I have set myself a target of losing 10kg in 10 weeks: tough but achievable. Why such a target? Well I would like to do the following:  https://www.khhospice.org.uk/event/specialized-cycling-challenge-2015
For my local hospice. I haven’t done a 60 mile plus ride for over 30 years, so that’s my target. After that… perhaps 10kg in the following 20 weeks, so with a bit of luck, I will be around 100kg by the end of the year.

What if I fail to achieve my first target? Well, given that I cannot go on at this weight much longer, I will consider having a gastric band fitted. I have looked into these and DO NOT want one! They sound terrible but do seem to work. Unlike some people, I don’t see them as an easy option; in fact quite the opposite given the operation and general restriction on your life thereafter.

Right….back to the salad!  :-\

Don't know if you are aware of this, but it may be worth a shot http://www.paulmckenna.com/hypnotic-gastric-band

All the best, anyhow
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 19 February, 2015, 12:42:50 pm
I am using a fitness app to record what I eat. I realise it maybe inaccurate but its useful as a broad indication.

I am really struggling to keep out pastries, chocolates and croissants.

Its amazing how good they taste and how calorie laden they are. Incidentally my weight goes up and down +/- 3 kg in a day - is that usual?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 February, 2015, 12:45:37 pm
My weight fluctuates between about 76.5kg and 78kg day to day at present. No idea what is 'normal'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 19 February, 2015, 01:25:12 pm
+/- 2Kg is my general "noise".

I'm on week 6 of very strict low-carb (20-50g carbs a day) and the fat-burning adaptations have kicked in now. I'm eating much much less - my appetite is so suppressed I can basically run on one meal a day now, and still do weights three times a week, get 10000+ steps in on the FitBit, and do some cycling at the weekend. If I eat any more - I'm bouncing off the walls, but TBH I just don't fancy it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 February, 2015, 02:39:31 pm
I am using a fitness app to record what I eat. I realise it maybe inaccurate but its useful as a broad indication.

I am really struggling to keep out pastries, chocolates and croissants.

Its amazing how good they taste and how calorie laden they are. Incidentally my weight goes up and down +/- 3 kg in a day - is that usual?

It can be. My brother (also Sam) does the same. I don't know what he weighs but it's probably around/below 70kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 February, 2015, 02:45:47 pm
I'm having a "vo2 metabolic assessment" on Saturday. This will include LT, VO2max (that will hurt) and fat burning efficiency. It will be interesting to see how the last one goes. I'm hoping my legs stop bring from Tuesday's squats in time.  I'll not train or train very lightly tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 19 February, 2015, 06:37:59 pm
I am using a fitness app to record what I eat. I realise it maybe inaccurate but its useful as a broad indication.

I am really struggling to keep out pastries, chocolates and croissants.

Its amazing how good they taste and how calorie laden they are. Incidentally my weight goes up and down +/- 3 kg in a day - is that usual?

It can be. My brother (also Sam) does the same. I don't know what he weighs but it's probably around/below 70kg.

sigh I want his weight lol
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 19 February, 2015, 08:17:28 pm
John, you're in danger of being an inspiration - or at least justification for thinness to Mrs S. I'm 6ft 1in, which due to age I round down to 185cm rather than up to 186. When I left Uni I weighed about 10st 10lbs and when I was running quickish 800s and 5000s in my mid 20s I was 11st 3lbs - that allowed for a lot fast running and a couple of sessions in the gym each week. It also sets my expectations now, so I find being close to 14st is far too much and hence 12st becomes a sensible first target (I really hated it when I reached 15st 7lbs after injury and inactivity).

What is quite alarming is that the sort of weight targets we have are now viewed as so low, as the general population has grown. I'm having increasing sympathy with Chris S and fboab and their diet, plus the background to the diet, when you see the impact of the very sweet and carb loaded snack foods that proliferate in our shops. My youngest has a real problem with seeking out sugar (perhaps because we hide it;)) and it is clear that it has addictive properties in terms of impact on eating habits.

Mike

Inspiration! Not been called that before.  I'll try and not make a habit of it!

I got to 14 stone when I was seriously sleep deprived after having our second child and getting through my working days subsisting on regular sugar highs, consuming 4 mars bars every day.

For me it's just about having a healthy body that I feel comfortable in, and leading a lifestyle that promotes that.  I'm still relatively young at 37 so trying to develop habits that will stick and see me through the rest of my life.

As I've mentioned before I'd be fairly sure that my Mum, who in retirement can now barely walk and has all manner of medical complications, almost all directly attributable to being overweight for most of her adult life is an influencing factor.

Also, lighter has it's advantages going up hills on bicycles too, and there's a lot those around me!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 February, 2015, 05:50:26 pm
Didn't update the graphs - got distracted by something.

Will try tonight. While I'm here, I weighed 75.5kg this morning. So either my fluctuation amplitude is higher than I claimed, or I'm losing weight.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 February, 2015, 08:42:21 am
Probably losing fat slowly.
Lighter than last week.

Up 2kg since Wednesday!
I know I finished the Christmas pudding last night and have been snacking on salty nuts but...

I see my weight also jumped up towards the end of February last year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 23 February, 2015, 08:17:05 am
Probably losing fat slowly.
Lighter than last week.

Up 2kg since Wednesday!
I know I finished the Christmas pudding last night and have been snacking on salty nuts but...

I feel your pain.
Kids on half term - I am being knocking back bread, cakes and pastries (but at least I know its more emotional eating than hunger).  Barely got off the couch this weekend. sigh all going the wrong way but tomorrow is another day  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 23 February, 2015, 10:09:45 am
I'm having a "vo2 metabolic assessment" on Saturday. This will include LT, VO2max (that will hurt) and fat burning efficiency. It will be interesting to see how the last one goes. I'm hoping my legs stop bring from Tuesday's squats in time.  I'll not train or train very lightly tomorrow.

Where you getting the assessment Simon??
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 February, 2015, 10:27:52 pm
www.truezone.co.uk

I had it on Saturday. Vo2max 51 (3.9l/min divided by 76.2kg body weight). LT 240W. Max fat burning was about 35%. Excellent vo2max for my age group; good lactate tolerance; could be better at fat burning. So I need to do more long steady miles and avoid sugary foods (which I already tend to do).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 25 February, 2015, 10:57:19 pm
www.truezone.co.uk

I had it on Saturday. Vo2max 51 (3.9l/min divided by 76.2kg body weight). LT 240W. Max fat burning was about 35%. Excellent vo2max for my age group; good lactate tolerance; could be better at fat burning. So I need to do more long steady miles and avoid sugary foods (which I already tend to do).

Hi Simon

Did you get a VO2 max against lean body mass, or just against total body mass? Not being up to speed on cycling efficiency, I don't really know how to relate VO2 max to power and LT. Last VO2 max test I did was a few years ago when I was running a lot. It was quite interesting having an almost identical VO2 max to a marathon runner I knew, but sufficient basic speed (on my feet and then!) that I was very happy racing him over 800m and less so considering a race over his distance...

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 February, 2015, 11:08:20 pm
They didn't do body fat - my guess is I'm around 15% BF.  So that's vo2max against total body mass. Vo2max occurred at about 320W. Improving vo2max isn't very relevant for audax riding so it's not something to focus on in my training.

In 2009 I did 4.05l/min but weighed 74kg. I got weight down to 68kg by the time I rode the Mille Cymru in 2010.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 26 February, 2015, 08:19:47 am
No weight loss this month, but I am not pertubed by this as there are mitigating circumstances.  A changed weigh in day and time from first thing on a Saturday morning to after work on a Wednesday evening.  This is my heaviest week of the month and I haven't put any weight on the scales.  Plus I found my measurements from the beginning of January and I have lost 8cm from the waistline.  So the month ends on a positive note. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 26 February, 2015, 08:36:40 am
www.truezone.co.uk

I had it on Saturday. Vo2max 51 (3.9l/min divided by 76.2kg body weight). LT 240W. Max fat burning was about 35%. Excellent vo2max for my age group; good lactate tolerance; could be better at fat burning. So I need to do more long steady miles and avoid sugary foods (which I already tend to do).

Is that at Vo2Max, or over a range of workloads? Did they quote an RQ in the results?

It kind of reflects how I remember your riding style - in the past, you tended to ride hard and fast, but then needed food, or you'd bonk badly, is that fair to say? That fat burn figure would be consistent with that - glycogen does wonders for a turn of speed - for a while...

ETA: Ah HA!  :D Just spotted your post over there in the Keto thread ---->
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 February, 2015, 08:58:41 am
www.truezone.co.uk

I had it on Saturday. Vo2max 51 (3.9l/min divided by 76.2kg body weight). LT 240W. Max fat burning was about 35%. Excellent vo2max for my age group; good lactate tolerance; could be better at fat burning. So I need to do more long steady miles and avoid sugary foods (which I already tend to do).

Is that at Vo2Max, or over a range of workloads? Did they quote an RQ in the results?

It kind of reflects how I remember your riding style - in the past, you tended to ride hard and fast, but then needed food, or you'd bonk badly, is that fair to say? That fat burn figure would be consistent with that - glycogen does wonders for a turn of speed - for a while...

Fat burning at vo2max was zero. RQ was over 1 by then. It peaked at the top end of zone 2 - but fluctuated a bit after then before dropping to zero at AT. The fluctuation could have been caused by changes in cadence as the effort level increased.

I pace myself better these days - maybe because riding fixed I suspect. I've not got very many miles in my legs at present. My AT is probably ok because I've been going to spinning classes. I need to be doing long steady training. It's the same thing I was told in 2009. I only rode a few hundred miles between the Scottish 1300k and January then rode a 200k, and it showed. Averaged less than 20kph - nothing hard and fast about that. I only stopped for food once at about 100k due to carrying home made rice cakes. On the 200km this month I didn't stop for food until 150km.

I'm waiting to be called back in to discuss the results in more detail.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 February, 2015, 03:29:36 pm
Probably losing fat slowly.
Lighter than last week.

Up 2kg since Wednesday!
I know I finished the Christmas pudding last night and have been snacking on salty nuts but...

Those 2kg seem to have stuck!
I have enormous cankles, granted and I know you cant put on 2kg FAT in as many days.

It is still very demoralising to be no lighter than New Year.
2014

Ho hum
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 26 February, 2015, 03:35:01 pm
Almost got down to the magic 90kg this week :thumbsup:The ice free roads are helping,but I am noticing that my average speed and endurance are both down on last year.5 weeks to go before the Double Dutch 200.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 26 February, 2015, 03:39:00 pm
Helen aren't cankles a sign of water retention?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 February, 2015, 05:16:31 pm
Cankles weigh.
My cankles are the result of gravity, sitting all day and inability to use the muscle pump in the calves to pump blood back.

They have been present for a decade and shouldn't vary much but maybe they do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 March, 2015, 05:16:17 pm
That 2kg gain seems to have stuck.

I now weigh exactly the same as David at 63.8kg.

Somebody told me that digital scales have a memory which means they display the same reading for consistency, but I find this difficult to believe.

I am heavier than I would like to be.  :(

It indicated 'Lo' when I weighed myself last night. I thought that was an error message as I was wobbly, but reading the User Manual suggests I should change the flattery. I am unimpressed if this is needed just two months after first use.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 03 March, 2015, 07:40:53 am
I got on my ancient scales this morning (couldn't help myself) and was 2kg lighter than last week, but they aren't trustworthy. Just have to wait for the verdict tomorrow night at SW.  I am hoping that I can lose another 4 kg by April.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 March, 2015, 11:15:34 am
I might resurrect my ancient Krups scales, just to see how they read.
I resolved that my 2015 weights should be on my new digital scales though they are a little less 'charitable'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 March, 2015, 12:19:24 pm
My temporary blip seems less temporary.
I am even heavier! David weighs exactly the same as me (63.8kg Monday night, 64.3kg Tuesday night) but he is male and taller.

The scales are not 'stuck'. A visit to the bathroom lost a recordable amount.

I'm off to Israel for Two Fat Weddings the week after next.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 04 March, 2015, 01:09:35 pm
A little bit of gain, but hopefully noise. Mostly in last two days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 04 March, 2015, 02:07:41 pm
It indicated 'Lo' when I weighed myself last night. I thought that was an error message as I was wobbly, but reading the User Manual suggests I should change the flattery. I am unimpressed if this is needed just two months after first use.

Our digital scales apparently go through batteries at a rate of knots too. Except they don't. Take the batteries out and put them back in again. You may well find that the scales will run for another 2 months. I can repeat this 5 or 6 times until I have to actually change the batteries.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 March, 2015, 02:16:53 pm
It indicated 'Lo' when I weighed myself last night. I thought that was an error message as I was wobbly, but reading the User Manual suggests I should change the flattery. I am unimpressed if this is needed just two months after first use.

Our digital scales apparently go through batteries at a rate of knots too. Except they don't. Take the batteries out and put them back in again. You may well find that the scales will run for another 2 months. I can repeat this 5 or 6 times until I have to actually change the batteries.

Ours have not shown Lo again so I'll ignore the message.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 04 March, 2015, 06:50:32 pm
Mathematically I'm back to where I was a month ago. But that was progress and this is a blip, so I'm taking some solace in that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 04 March, 2015, 09:54:16 pm
Had the evening weigh in and I am 1lb down on last week. So happy that I am shifting again, just need to keep it up now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 04 March, 2015, 09:55:50 pm
Still slowly going down. Not far of where I got to before I broke my arm last year which was the lightest I can remember being. Off on tour next week so it will be interesting to see what effect that has on things.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2015, 12:17:15 pm
75.5kg this morning. Possibly a bit dehydrated but still the lightest I've been in several months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 March, 2015, 12:59:42 pm
I may not weigh myself for a while, due to demoralising variations and a forthcoming trip abroad.
I hope to stick to sensible eating between the Fat Weddings and funny flight meals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 07 March, 2015, 10:39:04 pm
I was running at around 60 or 61 kgs, at 171 cms, last year as I went through the 'setting a new record beginning with the number 3', which ended up as 333 points.

I promised Lyn I would ease off this season, and have ridden lots less, and I've walked more, filling in the 'hole' in my right gluteus (muscle that had wasted away while I rolled found in my wheelchair, and swung round on my crutches favouring the left leg..)... and over the winter I've sat around more, reaching 67 kgs, but not lookng overweight...

I'm riding more as the weather and daylight gets more advantageous, and it's dropping off... After today's fast hilly 200, and after 750 mils of protein drink, and a large glass of diet coke I weighed 65 kgs..

Should I go down to 60 kgs again???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 March, 2015, 12:10:02 am
60kg is very light but not necessarily bad.

How do you feel at that weight?
Are you anticipating many AAA rides this year?

Go for the weight at which you are happiest!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 08 March, 2015, 02:18:36 am
At 60 kg I felt at my best.... I had the ability to climb hills out of the saddle at good speeds without tiring, and that includes Snowdonia type stuff.

My entry list includes the climby rides, so I guess I'll gradually reduce, but keep listening to my body
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 March, 2015, 01:36:02 pm
That sort of weight and build were quite common around 60 years ago; pictures of men from around 1950 often showed slim, slightly wiry men.

Mr British Average weighed 65kg in medical textbooks of the '60s and 70kg in the textbooks around 1980.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 09 March, 2015, 12:47:07 pm
Mr British Average weighed 65kg in medical textbooks of the '60s and 70kg in the textbooks around 1980.

That's interesting. I've often wondered about whether or not we risk overloading passenger lifts these days. When determining the maximum number of people a lift will hold the powers that be seem to use a weight of 75kg per person to determine the lift capacity. I don't think it's changed in a long time. When Mr Average weighed 65kg, using 75kg for loading purposes seemed reasonable. These days though, I wonder if it's a little low. On occasion, I've looked at the size of some of my prospective fellow lift passengers and have then opted to use the stairs instead. On the other hand, I look at the floor space of some of these lifts and come to the conclusion that you'll never physically fit everyone in to reach the passenger number capacity.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 March, 2015, 12:57:52 pm
Mr British Average weighed 65kg in medical textbooks of the '60s and 70kg in the textbooks around 1980.

That's interesting. I've often wondered about whether or not we risk overloading passenger lifts these days. When determining the maximum number of people a lift will hold the powers that be seem to use a weight of 75kg per person to determine the lift capacity. I don't think it's changed in a long time. When Mr Average weighed 65kg, using 75kg for loading purposes seemed reasonable. These days though, I wonder if it's a little low. On occasion, I've looked at the size of some of my prospective fellow lift passengers and have then opted to use the stairs instead. On the other hand, I look at the floor space of some of these lifts and come to the conclusion that you'll never physically fit everyone in to reach the passenger number capacity.

Suspect you can cram twenty 65kg men into less space than thirteen 100kg people...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 09 March, 2015, 02:14:59 pm
Mr British Average weighed 65kg in medical textbooks of the '60s and 70kg in the textbooks around 1980.

That's interesting. I've often wondered about whether or not we risk overloading passenger lifts these days. When determining the maximum number of people a lift will hold the powers that be seem to use a weight of 75kg per person to determine the lift capacity. I don't think it's changed in a long time. When Mr Average weighed 65kg, using 75kg for loading purposes seemed reasonable. These days though, I wonder if it's a little low. On occasion, I've looked at the size of some of my prospective fellow lift passengers and have then opted to use the stairs instead. On the other hand, I look at the floor space of some of these lifts and come to the conclusion that you'll never physically fit everyone in to reach the passenger number capacity.

Suspect you can cram twenty 65kg men into less space than thirteen 100kg people...


Assuming that the density of fat is lower than the rest of the body that would hold true, even if you metled them down (so to speak)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 March, 2015, 02:28:25 pm
Mr British Average weighed 65kg in medical textbooks of the '60s and 70kg in the textbooks around 1980.

That's interesting. I've often wondered about whether or not we risk overloading passenger lifts these days. When determining the maximum number of people a lift will hold the powers that be seem to use a weight of 75kg per person to determine the lift capacity. I don't think it's changed in a long time. When Mr Average weighed 65kg, using 75kg for loading purposes seemed reasonable. These days though, I wonder if it's a little low. On occasion, I've looked at the size of some of my prospective fellow lift passengers and have then opted to use the stairs instead. On the other hand, I look at the floor space of some of these lifts and come to the conclusion that you'll never physically fit everyone in to reach the passenger number capacity.

Suspect you can cram twenty 65kg men into less space than thirteen 100kg people...


Assuming that the density of fat is lower than the rest of the body that would hold true, even if you metled them down (so to speak)

Indeed but fatter people are proportionately wider at the middle than the base so can't cram as close.

You can get more letters like this IIIIII than letters like these DPDPD into a given space.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 09 March, 2015, 02:52:35 pm
64.4 kgs this morning...

Going doooooowwwwwnnnnn....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 09 March, 2015, 04:52:07 pm
Help!!!

So I'm trying to get back into long distance stuff but I'm very out of practice. I have been riding regularly and often, and I do train before breakfast so it's not like I'm full of carbs every time I ride.

But I have done 200ks the last 2 weekends and kept getting emergency sugar needs! Will this go away again the more I do of them, I can't remember what endurance stuff feels like any more.

I do use myfitnesspal- this weekend I ate loads. Did a 200k on Sat, ate 3200 cals, then did an 80 mile sportive on Sun, ate 2,500 cals. Today I'm starving. I did 90 mins this morning before breakfast, I'd normally eat 1800 on days where I only do one session of 90 mins, but this has gone to pot today, I'll be at least 500 over that I think I'm so hungry.

I do want to get back to these long rides, but I don't want to get fat. Today I had porridge for breakfast with protein powder, banana and a few nuts, I've had a broad bean and light feta salad for lunch, plus an apple, grapefruit, half a beetroot flapjack thing, a small protein bar snack thing, and some fruit/nuts mix thing and am still really hungry. Help!!! How can I control my jaws that don't want to stop?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 09 March, 2015, 10:36:25 pm
If I needed motivation (ok, I do) I just came across a "beach" photo from a few years back

DunRun 2009
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2mlM9WIM7Ek/VP4a2OCOkNI/AAAAAAAAs_g/UuXg2Tbs_jU/s400/DSCF3838.JPG)


Vs

2014

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M0bww6-MxW4/VP4atAjwsFI/AAAAAAAAs_M/vGngaep4rTs/s400/P1080525.JPG)

or even

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZKTtTXY3sEQ/VP4dUQdIWAI/AAAAAAAAs_4/5G30IqvV6IA/s400/P1070716.JPG)

I think I need to get a grip. Or, larger shirts.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 10 March, 2015, 12:52:26 pm
A couple of years ago a doctor, at a Nuffield health check, suggested My Fitness Pal as a useful application for my mobile phone. It now interfaces with Garmin Connect, apparently making it even more useful.

But, and it's a big one, given that I tend not to eat ready made bar-coded food and certainly don't weigh portions, it's actually pretty worthless to me - although I can 'adjust' my estimates to get the number I want;)

A quick example - how many calories and what's the nutritional make up of a slice of bread?

(https://photosojourner.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/l1000037-2.jpg)

It matters how far through the loaf I am, as well as the recipe and the digestive efforts of the leaven on that particular day.

I understand that some people will weigh what they eat and some eat fully bar-coded food, but I really can't get on with this at all.

87.0kgs this morning.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 March, 2015, 12:59:01 pm
Weigh the slice and multiply by 3 for approximate Calorie count.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 10 March, 2015, 01:01:38 pm
Help!!!

So I'm trying to get back into long distance stuff but I'm very out of practice. I have been riding regularly and often, and I do train before breakfast so it's not like I'm full of carbs every time I ride.

But I have done 200ks the last 2 weekends and kept getting emergency sugar needs! Will this go away again the more I do of them, I can't remember what endurance stuff feels like any more.

I do use myfitnesspal- this weekend I ate loads. Did a 200k on Sat, ate 3200 cals, then did an 80 mile sportive on Sun, ate 2,500 cals. Today I'm starving. I did 90 mins this morning before breakfast, I'd normally eat 1800 on days where I only do one session of 90 mins, but this has gone to pot today, I'll be at least 500 over that I think I'm so hungry.

I do want to get back to these long rides, but I don't want to get fat. Today I had porridge for breakfast with protein powder, banana and a few nuts, I've had a broad bean and light feta salad for lunch, plus an apple, grapefruit, half a beetroot flapjack thing, a small protein bar snack thing, and some fruit/nuts mix thing and am still really hungry. Help!!! How can I control my jaws that don't want to stop?

I've been on a 200k with you and I know how fast you are.  I'm not surprised you get "emergency sugar needs".
Do you wear a HRM or use a power meter?

The need for calories increases hugely with increased Heart Rate/Power output.  Since you can only metabolise a maximum amount something will eventually give if you are "in the red" too long.
If you haven't ridden long distance for a while, like me, you can also lose the ability to metabolise fat as efficiently as you once did. I'm finding that is something that needs time/miles to reacquire.
My HRM says >1000Kcals an hour at very high efforts on the turbo. There's no way to metabolise sufficient carbs at that rate so I'd 100% bonk after 2.5 hours on the road at that rate.

HRMs only give an approximation but a useful one if you are monitoring your calorie intake/output levels. Certainly more meaningful than distance or time cycled.

Currently I'm experiencing deep-hunger after, what were, just 4 years ago, relatively short distances.
I'm in trouble on PBP if I don't regain the ability to burn fat effectively. 
I expect a HRM would clearly point to my heart rate being significanlty higher than it was 4 years ago over same distances (with an associated higher Kcals burned).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 March, 2015, 09:01:23 pm
Probably losing fat slowly.
Lighter than last week.

Up 2kg since Wednesday!
I know I finished the Christmas pudding last night and have been snacking on salty nuts but...

I see my weight also jumped up towards the end of February last year.

I thought I was done with the girly monthly fluctuations; it seems I am not!
I might weigh myself again soon.

Helly aged 56¾
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 10 March, 2015, 09:15:32 pm
Lee if I am riding the long events I ride them easy, nowhere near the red.

Saturday I think I averaged 135 and Sunday 129 which is easy riding. Very comfortable. Tonight's intervals were around 190, so not quite so much ;)

The numbers my HRM gives me when attached to my garmin is crazy- they just aren't right, it tells me about 700 hour for a HR of about 135 which is complete lies. If i use the wahoo app on my phone it's more like 460 for the same HR so who knows what to believe!

I'm probably not burning fat as efficiently as I was. But if I am getting this hungry after then I'm just going to get fat by doing long rides :-/
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 March, 2015, 01:30:32 am
I've always found the estimates from the Garmin to be way too high.

190 is very high for intervals. Are you doing HIIT? In last night's spinning class I only got to 184 and that was tough going.

To train for long rides requires long riding. The weekend numbers are about the right zone. I'm aiming to do 80% of my training at moderate intensity and only 20% high.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 11 March, 2015, 05:06:51 am
Not HIIT no- last night I did 4 x 6 mins off 2 mins recovery at 10m TT effort.

Very much training for the TT season, the weekend long rides are all I am specifically doing for audax rides/my 24 hour ride, I'm not light on miles- doing about 1800 miles per month as I ride twice a day so I am doing more than enough in the easy zones- I just do 1 10 mile specific session and then on a Thursday a 25m specific session. Plus some running every other day. And weights/gym stuff.

I do loads of stuff at an easy effort but when I'm doing hard sessions I bury myself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 11 March, 2015, 06:49:48 am
88.0kgs this morning, so plus 1kg overnight. Either water or retained food, or both I think.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 11 March, 2015, 07:59:20 am
Not much exercise and net average of 2100 calories/day over the last couple of weeks = 1.5kg gain
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 11 March, 2015, 09:46:24 am
71.7kg recorded for me this morning but this is probably reading a little lower than my realistic weight. I suspect that I'm probably about 72.2 or so. I've had 3 hardish (for me, anyway) runs this week. On Monday I did a 16K which ended up having 250m of climbing on it. Yesterday I did a flat, fast 10K to get my Jantastic timed run in and knocked 4 minutes off my PB. Today I went out for a 12K recovery run, but it still ended up with over 200m of climbing on it. I reckon all this will have brought my weight temporarily down by at least half a kg. I'm going to ease back on the running for the rest of the week. I'd like to get up to 64K (40miles) in a week which would be a first for me and I'm semi-committed for parkrun on Saturday so i think I'll just slot in a couple of slow flat runs of 10 to 12K jogs to get the distance up. I've already managed over 500m of climbing this week (even my flat runs have at least 50m in - it's a given when you live at the top of a hill).

Overall, I'm happy at the weight I'm at. I'm aiming to keep below 73kg now this year, except for holiday and Christmas binges. I just need to keep monitoring to ensure that things don't slide as happened to me before.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 11 March, 2015, 12:47:15 pm
190 is very high for intervals. Are you doing HIIT? In last night's spinning class I only got to 184 and that was tough going.
I can get to 200. It's just a number.
If you're burying yourself once or twice a week it doesn't matter what the number is, it's how it compare to your 'usual' that counts. There's little point in doing HIIT if you're not going for it as hard as possible.
Long rides are about 135-145 and walking is at 110-120 for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 11 March, 2015, 10:18:39 pm
190 is very high for intervals. Are you doing HIIT? In last night's spinning class I only got to 184 and that was tough going.
I can get to 200. It's just a number.
If you're burying yourself once or twice a week it doesn't matter what the number is, it's how it compare to your 'usual' that counts. There's little point in doing HIIT if you're not going for it as hard as possible.
Long rides are about 135-145 and walking is at 110-120 for me.


Interval training doesn't always have to be as 'hard as possible.' the point is to specifically load to achieve particular training impacts. Running sessions of 6x 1 mile should be run at a lower terminal HR than a session of 12x 400, and that a lower HR than a 4x 200 session. They all prepare you in different ways and I am comfortable calling them all high intensity. Is HIIT used to mean a single type of less specific session?

Wish I still had a max HR of 200, I don't recall ever hitting those heights. C. 177 on the bike and 181 running these days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 12 March, 2015, 12:58:53 pm
Age has an impact on HR though for sure- I used to be able to hit 204 going up Cheddar gorge 4 years ago but now am struggling to get over 186 whatever I do (rowing seems to push me the highest). I guess I was very unfit then, but am now mid forties so my max has also reduced.

I only really started trying to drop weight this week, and have managed to lose 0.8kg so am happy with that. I did eat some creme eggs when I had the munchies post-audax too.
I'm about to drop the chocolate and start eating frozen berries in low fat yoghurt for my midnight feasts instead. I know what I really should do is start eating breakfast, but I really can't be bothered to eat before midday most days. I didn't bother with breakfast before the 200 and it didn't seem to cause me a problem.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 March, 2015, 01:48:46 pm
HIIT is short (typically around a minute, often shorter) intervals at max effort.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 March, 2015, 02:37:24 pm
I know what I really should do is start eating breakfast, but I really can't be bothered to eat before midday most days. I didn't bother with breakfast before the 200 and it didn't seem to cause me a problem.
There's as much evidence that eating breakfast is 'good' as there is that it's 'bad'.

IMHO eating when you're not hungry seems a stupid way to be- hunger is a mechanism for you body telling you need more food. It works pretty well- until you ignore it.
But what do I know, I'm a fat fecker.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 13 March, 2015, 09:41:42 am
Gone off track. My Mum died last Wedsday and I spent 3 days eating vending machine crap in the hospital and can't be bothered to cook half the time.Iv'e got a 200k Audax in 3 weeks and that's helping to distract me though. Maybe I will feel better after the funeral.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 13 March, 2015, 11:13:27 am
Sorry to hear about your Mum, nightrider. There are times when there are more important things to worry about than if you are eating sensibly. Take a break before you start thinking about your eating habits again. It will put you back a little, but as long as you get back into controlling your diet again in a month or so, it shouldn't affect things long term.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 March, 2015, 12:06:17 pm
Wot slowcoach said. Condolences, nightrider.

I suggest putting the scales away till Easter.

Weight loss is an issue you are best to ignore for now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 13 March, 2015, 01:37:09 pm
Thanks I will put something in another thread later :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 13 March, 2015, 01:42:21 pm
My condolences.  As others have said, now is not the time to worry about weight, you've more important places to put your attention right now.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 18 March, 2015, 10:23:52 am
New year low. Now to keep it there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 18 March, 2015, 11:19:38 am
95 kg but in old money just under 15 stone. 14 anything is my new goal as weightwatching has slipped down the agenda recently. Back on the proverbial treadmill, but hopefully with lighter meals and more daylight for taking outdoor exercise.

Condolences ,nightrider. You will get through this , just keep the good times in mind.
 A former colleague was firmly of the opinion that fate took care of everything.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 18 March, 2015, 12:30:57 pm
Slightly increased activity level & fewer calories consumed over last week = 1.3kg down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SlowCoach on 18 March, 2015, 01:50:08 pm
Slightly increased activity levels have resulted in major "pigout" sessions. 1.1 kg up, but I'm still within my limits (for some reason last week was way low, and I think this week is slightly on the high side). Not worried.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 18 March, 2015, 09:25:58 pm
1.7kg down. Increased activity and less carbs seems to have worked.  There's still a long way to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 March, 2015, 09:42:35 pm
4 consecutive weeks of lower weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 25 March, 2015, 07:50:08 am
Up slightly this week.   I have eaten more, exercised less.  The results speak for themselves.   :-[ 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 25 March, 2015, 08:20:02 pm
Stayed the same this week but the general direction is good. This has to be for the long haul.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 30 March, 2015, 09:29:00 pm
I'm trying to lose 3st in 3 weeks without exercising. Am fasting and taking fibre supplements to reduce  appetite. Started 4 days ago, have lost 8 lbs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 30 March, 2015, 09:40:04 pm
I'm trying to lose 3st in 3 weeks without exercising.

Erm... good luck with that.  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 March, 2015, 11:32:38 am
77.7kg this morning.

Water retention after The Dean? Too much curry last night? Who knows. Maybe it'll be gone by tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on 01 April, 2015, 12:07:57 am
Back on the calorie counting after finding a new app. It seems the only way to keep things in the right direction is to take strict accounts. So far I am running a calorie deficit (net calculation is 1500 per day to give me a weight loss of 0.75kg/wk. My weight a week or so ago was just over 98kg for a height of 165cm).
It seems to be working. Down to sub 97 now though testing the cake I baked tonight won't have helped any.

Walking to work (20 mins moderately brisk paced walking = 100 calories) definitely helps. And I am relearning just how many calories are in some foods.

I try to maintain a net deficit over the week sufficient to meet the weight loss and at least one 'over budget' day to keep the body thinking there is loads of food about.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 01 April, 2015, 09:34:55 am
Going down slowly and carefully...

63.6 this morning......
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 April, 2015, 10:59:17 am
Up, up, up and away!

77.0kg. Bloody chili con carne with bacon I made last night, too damn tasty.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 01 April, 2015, 01:02:19 pm
Up, up, up and away!

77.0kg. Bloody chili con carne with bacon I made last night, too damn tasty.

Just as well I was working the night shift then, since I lose some this week! :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 01 April, 2015, 01:44:48 pm
+1.4kg!

Attributable to post-audax water retention and an industrial quantity of parkin that the wife cooked and I helped eat (a lot).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 April, 2015, 09:21:41 pm
Dimensions and weight seem down. :)

I did not weigh myself today but p*ssed like a trooper in the last 24 hours.

Cankles shrunk with 24 hours in hospital.

I am now convincingly lighter than David, having weighed exactly the same as him a month ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 01 April, 2015, 09:58:56 pm
Slight loss again. Easter is looming with chocs galore. I am doing the double Dutch on Easter Saturday. So the plan is to try not to put any weight on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 April, 2015, 11:17:13 am
And back to last week's weight this morning.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 April, 2015, 11:45:01 am
I appear to weigh (just) less than 60kg.
That is all.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 02 April, 2015, 08:11:52 pm
63.2.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 02 April, 2015, 08:35:48 pm
I just cant seem to get below the mid eighties and stay there sigh
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 April, 2015, 09:10:18 pm
I can't imagine I'll stay this light for long.
Yet.
It WILL happen, eventually!

ETA I seem to be just as light today (3 April).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 04 April, 2015, 04:34:34 pm
This morning, the first number on the scales (which are set to Imperial most of the time) was a twelve.
That has not happened since 2010.  :smug:
(Note this is an 'unofficial' weight; I will not be surprised if the check on Wednesday next creeps back up a little. We have simnel cake and Easter eggs and got a 'free' box of chocolates for spending a lot of money in Lakeland this afternoon.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 April, 2015, 11:12:02 am
I am still below 60kg...

(That's three recordings of 59.7kg just before bed)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 06 April, 2015, 12:09:15 pm
I very much doubt I am. I've given up weighing myself because I like chocolate and cakes too much. ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 April, 2015, 12:25:23 pm
I gave up weighing myself for a month as I found the gains due to what I knew to be fluid retention just too demoralising.

Carried on mostly eating sensibly little despite FOREIGN TRAVEL, Two Big Fat Weddings and still liking CAEK & Chocolate, albeit in small amounts.

I only restarted weighing when the cankles had mostly gone.

The tape measure is my friend...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 06 April, 2015, 08:37:27 pm
I saw 110 at the front of my reading for the first time today. Shame a large portion of that was dehydration after a ride with insufficient water.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 06 April, 2015, 11:26:21 pm
30 years ago this month, odd memory I  know, I  was feeling shocked that I weighed nearly 70 kgs!
Halcyon daze!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 April, 2015, 11:34:17 pm
I probably weighed 70kg 30 years ago.
I weighed 68kg when I bought my Krups scales in 1982; I chose the scales that gave me the weight closest to the big coin-op scales in the Students' Union.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 08 April, 2015, 09:56:01 am
GN: since the start of the year I've lost nearly 5kg.

BN: by this point in the year I could/should have lost closer to 8-9kg.   :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 April, 2015, 11:17:12 am
75.7kg this morning - progress seems to have resumed. Helped along a bit by an upset tummy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 08 April, 2015, 11:18:23 am
I ate all my Easter eggs. Enough said  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 08 April, 2015, 11:23:39 am
Surprisingly low reading for me today :) I'll have to see how much of that is recovered over the next few days but quite happy with today's value.

I am now lighter than I was before I broke my arm last year, which makes me as light as I have been since I started recording weights here I think. Still a long way to go though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 April, 2015, 11:28:25 am
I have entered a 60kg figure but not actually weighed myself cos I was feeling grotty (better now but Moody Partner is asleep).

I think that's fair given three consecutive readings of 59.7kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 08 April, 2015, 05:40:10 pm
61.2 on return from a sub nine hour 200....

Amazing how the winter flab melts off as the sun comes out..

Now I have to learn how to put the brakes on, to avoid hearing the dreaded word up and down the cul de sac....

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 08 April, 2015, 09:03:13 pm
So what did you weigh before the sub nine hour 200?

63.2 ?

Two litres would be about right.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 08 April, 2015, 09:13:28 pm
Brave enough to get back on the scales after a few weeks off and surprised to find no weight gain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 April, 2015, 09:55:25 pm
Brave enough to get back on the scales after a few weeks off and surprised to find no weight gain.

I had nearly a month off the scales too...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 April, 2015, 10:03:41 pm
Partner's brother stayed with us earlier this week.
He's just started a new job, which means he's up on his feet more and he's a really slow eater.
Seems his BMI has dropped to 17.6. He looks slim but not skeletal
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Think he needs a bit more CAEK & chocolate...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 08 April, 2015, 10:42:23 pm
So what did you weigh before the sub nine hour 200?

63.2 ?

Two litres would be about right.

Nope. Not dehydration.

I wasn't dehydrated when I got home, but unusually I had drunk nearly half my 750 ml bottle, cos it was warmer today....

I keep a chart by the scales in my ensuite, and weigh first thing, post rides and bed time, and more if my clothes are off...

I was 62.8 when I got up, pre breakfast, but for some reason my early ablutions didn't happen till I got back home, and if they had happened first thing I would guess pre ride would have been 62.4

I'm not riding like most other riders, burning copious amounts of glycogen, with the requisite copious amounts of water needed for the conversion to ATP....

I note the low readings on the charts, and at the moment they are coming quite regularly, either post ride or the following morning.

Tomorrow will be interesting, but probably only to me... :demon: :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 April, 2015, 11:11:15 pm
Since I’ve been riding at a moderate pace more, I’ve been drinking less water. I only drank about 1L on the arrow plus coffees.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 08 April, 2015, 11:25:20 pm
Another slight gain this week - cold followed by holiday and +food/-exercise are responsible. Need to reverse this week.

Positively, got two miles in on the bike on Saturday - first time since I fell off 7 weeks ago iirc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 10 April, 2015, 08:56:56 pm
lowest i've been in living memory  ::-)  91.5kg t'smornin' . Gosh I feel skinny, (well I am 6'2")
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 10 April, 2015, 08:57:22 pm
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 10 April, 2015, 10:08:14 pm
Another slight gain this week - cold followed by holiday and +food/-exercise are responsible. Need to reverse this week.

Positively, got two miles in on the bike on Saturday - first time since I fell off 7 weeks ago iirc.

Good for you - back on the bike!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 15 April, 2015, 07:07:37 am
Thanks Sam.

Stopped the rot this week. Back to 87kgs, down 0.3
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 15 April, 2015, 07:46:09 am
Although the last couple of weeks look like the beginning of a trend, I'm taking this slight rise as a bit of a win. Silly weekend and I've lost a lot of the temporary blip I saw on Monday morning. Next weekend is also likely to be 'bad' but things should start to get better after that
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 April, 2015, 08:35:08 am
Minimal and IMO insignificant gain from last week after a three day Hotel Break.
Not unhappy.

Just 3kg to go for my 57kg goal.
The end is in sight
or unreachable...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 15 April, 2015, 10:16:11 am
Good work by the losers :)

I have recently got some off. I love food so much this kills me and I'm just totally sick of being hungry The Entire Time. My training volume is currently very very high, and so is intensity. Luckily, it seems to be working well as I did a PB last night at a TT on a course where I thought my PB was already strong, and it's only April. So this bodes well. And my running is ok as well.

I have ALWAYS struggled to get down to 9 stone, my body naturally wants to hover around 9 and half when I'm training hard. But this morning I was 8 stone 9. This is very light for me, and I'm shocked I've got here to be honest. But it really is so hard, and I'm wondering when to stop- how to know when it's enough. My weight is all in my thighs at the moment, I'm not light with a BMI of 20, but there isn't all that much extra hanging around. I do think I can get a little more off maybe, but my thighs are always going to be huge. And I'm not sure how much longer I can take the hunger.

The incentive of the size 4 wedding dress I need to fit in in not too many weeks time is certainly there, but I'm more worried about running/riding to be honest!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 April, 2015, 10:52:50 am
You are well below 9 stone now.
Stay where you are.
The fat on my thighs seems to be redistributing and I suspect yours will do the same so long as you eat sensibly - ie a maintenance diet, not a weight loss one.

Size 4?????

My hips were still 98cm (38½ inches) this morning, which, though very small for me, suggests I'll never be less than a size 10.

You're doing fine; don't make yourself ill!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 15 April, 2015, 11:01:23 am
I thought I could never ever be less than a size 10. It's bloody hard to hold it here though, I'm naturally quite chunky.

I'm really a size 6-8 I'd say at the moment, size 6 in next, but the dress came out as a 4 when I was measured for it- it's just that designer I think.

My thighs won't shrink, it's not fat on them it's muscle and I don't really want that to disappear, they are quite TT friendly.

I might try and stay here but I don't even know what a 'maintenance' diet is to be honest! I think I might even have to carry on eating not enough to stay down here.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 15 April, 2015, 04:42:04 pm

You're doing fine; don't make yourself ill!


This.

If you lose power you've probably lost a bit too much weight.
If you get ill you may well have lost a bit too much.
It's likely to be safer, given your exercise levels, to be slightly high than low, certainly for all but the one event you care about in the year (and after which you will take some proper time off).
Losing to much and/or overtraining will cost you more than carrying 3 or 4 extra pounds most of the time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 15 April, 2015, 04:49:13 pm
I don't seem to have lost any power at the moment- that's why it's hard to say that I should be stopping here. I feel fine, just really bl**dy hungry.

I never take this 'proper time off', I have a few events that are more important than others, sure, but I do things all year round, just switch sports a bit

I totally agree that if I was getting ill etc I've gone too far, but the fact I'm not kinda makes me feel I haven't gone far enough if that makes sense?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 April, 2015, 05:24:14 pm
You are probably OK but you will obviously have gone too far if you get sick or weak.

Given that your wedding is imminent, you really don't want to get sick!

I'd suggest 48 hours off all exercise every week and just enough food to stop you feeling hungry all the time. Accept up to two hours of hunger if you don't feel in danger of imminent collapse but no more.

Fat burning release stress hormones and this may leave you tired.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 15 April, 2015, 05:29:44 pm
Good god there is no way on earth I'd be having 48 hours a week off exercise! I don't have any rest days at all, 2 in a row is crazy talk to me. I'm a twice a day kind of girl, sometimes 3 times, I have an occasional day off the bike where I just run, but I don't feel the need for rest days never mind 2  ;)

Currently, I don't feel anything like sick or weak. I don't feel anywhere near collapse. Just that if a bar of dairy milk was within half a mile I'd sniff it out and do the whole family size bar. And like I want to eat every half an hour. Maybe I'm just greedy and need to learn to put up with hunger. Or eating less often!

I'm actually not at all fussed by this wedding shenanigans, I'm just seeing it as a holiday, I'm not one of these bridezillas. I'm totally disorganised with it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 April, 2015, 05:33:44 pm
Honestly, I think rest days are important. I don't like it, but they are necessary.

If you are constantly pushing your body and running at a calorie deficit, you might have fluid retention. This would mask any weight loss. Then you might suddenly dump that fluid and lose some weight. Some claim that a way to trigger this can be to eat more on a given day and hence is born the concept of the 'refeeding day'. Eating more on some days can also help avoid the body going into starvation mode and prevent lowering of metabolism and muscle protein loss.

I'm having one* now.


* A refeeeding day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 15 April, 2015, 05:34:01 pm
Yes, I understand and agree.

The hard thing is that the line is invisible, at least without the sort of testing and time invested in understanding individual physiology that professional athletes have available (hope that the implicit assumption about your professional status is OK?!) Also, total load including work and other stresses.adds up. Therefore, you're always experimenting really and need to keep a check on how you feel and are going day to day. A danger is feeling great as you progress straight through to the tell tale cold and 6 weeks off. Been there:)

Resting heart rate in the morning, looking for rises.of more.than.4 or 5 bpm over normal, and remembering Graeme Obree's advice that improvement occurs while you sleep or rest. Body composition is probably useful too, but I'm not yet entirely convinced by my scales.

Hope this isn't 'teaching Grandma to suck eggs'. Glad your going well and in the direction you want.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 15 April, 2015, 05:39:06 pm
In 'winning middle distance running', Peter Come suggested one rest day per week for elite athletes. I moved forward with running when I accepted that a rest day wasn't two sessions of squash, 'because it's not running'.

Rest is critical to performance and longevity in sport.


I've just had a refueling lunch. House of Tides on Gateshead quayside. Jolly good fare.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 April, 2015, 05:42:48 pm
My body fat scales were consistent with bf% measured at a sports lab using skin folds. Then they died. The new ones measure way higher and seem really insensitive to visible changes in fat. They measure at hands and feet unlike the first set.

The zonal thing they do claims I have 27% fat in my upper body. They are claiming 22% overall. I am measuring 6mm at the supra iliac point and this equates to around 14%. Maybe I have a lot of visceral fat. But my waist is not large. So that suggests not.

I would like to try a DEXA scan to know for sure.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 15 April, 2015, 05:43:58 pm
I think it depends on what you're used to and how your body handles it. I'd take a rest day before an important race, sure, but I don't need them on a weekly basis. If enough of the training is easy riding, interspersed with racing/intervals/whatever, then for me its fine. If I wasn't doing the easy rides easy enough it might be different. And the running only days break it up. I seem to comfortably handle 2000 miles a month on the bike and running every other day.

I'm also mentally happiest training twice a day. If the pros can get away without any rest days, then I don't see the issue really. If I feel I need one, I take one, but not for the sake of it. Some people need one every week, we're all different. If I can see my HR is up I'd consider it, but it's currently 37 so not overly concerned in that respect.  I know my own body pretty well and when it does need rest, I'm not averse to the idea, just not when I don't need it.

x post-  I've spoken to a few elites/pros about this, and most of them don't have rest days. I was quite shocked that cyclists often don't have any sort of off season either, I thought they would, but loads just go straight from road to track to road etc with no break at all. I thought they'd take a couple of weeks at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 April, 2015, 05:48:47 pm
On a slightly divergent topic, I'm having a VO2max & metabolic efficiency test again next week. It'll be interesting to see if my attempts to work on fat burning have paid off, and if doing lots of steady miles has increased my VO2max at all. I know my RHR has dropped by 15bpm since February when I last did the test. I've cycled 1,000 miles in a month and that should have done something.

I'll also be asking them if they know where I can get a proper body composition analysis.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 April, 2015, 05:53:30 pm
PS The graphs won't be updated until later as I've been away visiting the Cambridge office for a couple of days. I'll do my weigh-in tomorrow morning as that is more likely to be consistent than if I weigh last thing tonight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 April, 2015, 05:53:55 pm
My body fat scales were consistent with bf% measured at a sports lab using skin folds. Then they died. The new ones measure way higher and seem really insensitive to visible changes in fat. They measure at hands and feet unlike the first set.

The zonal thing they do claims I have 27% fat in my upper body. They are claiming 22% overall. I am measuring 6mm at the supra iliac point and this equates to around 14%. Maybe I have a lot of visceral fat. But my waist is not large. So that suggests not.

I would like to try a DEXA scan to know for sure.

Body fat scales are close to useless and 27% fat for any part of you must be untrue. A set of skinfold calipers and tape measure will tell you which way fat is moving. It is eventually lost fairly evenly so you can measure hips, neck, waist (many confounders here!) and thighs.

The latest trendy diet/fat story is neck measurement.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 15 April, 2015, 05:55:23 pm
I'll also be asking them if they know where I can get a proper body composition analysis.

£99 for a DEXA scan - http://www.body-composition.co.uk/BodyCompositionPrice.html

Sadly - you can't get them without referral in this country.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 15 April, 2015, 05:56:11 pm
Back to an earlier thought. It's all an experiment and without trying one approach against the other it's hard to know which is best (for whatever you care about).  Just stay happy and healthy.


Simon, long time since I did a vo2 max test. Maybe I'll do another one day, but the result would surely disappoint at present...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 15 April, 2015, 05:57:48 pm
My body fat scales were consistent with bf% measured at a sports lab using skin folds. Then they died. The new ones measure way higher and seem really insensitive to visible changes in fat. They measure at hands and feet unlike the first set.

The zonal thing they do claims I have 27% fat in my upper body. They are claiming 22% overall. I am measuring 6mm at the supra iliac point and this equates to around 14%. Maybe I have a lot of visceral fat. But my waist is not large. So that suggests not.

I would like to try a DEXA scan to know for sure.

Body fat scales are close to useless and 27% fat for any part of you must be untrue. A set of skinfold calipers and tape measure will tell you which way fat is moving. It is eventually lost fairly evenly so you can measure hips, neck, waist (many confounders here!) and thighs.

The latest trendy diet/fat story is neck measurement.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 15 April, 2015, 06:50:35 pm
Well I am fed up.  :-[

85kg for weeks on end. Nothing I do seems to make a difference not even a 100km ride.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 April, 2015, 06:59:51 pm
Stop weighing yourself for a month.
Continue eating small portions of sensible foods.
Look at what happened to my weight when I stopped weighing myself.
I have been to several big eating occasions in the last month (2 weddings, one Big Passover meal and 7 night in hotels) but ate sensibly in between.
Chin up.
And breathe...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 15 April, 2015, 08:31:20 pm
Velosam what have you currently been doing? Are you counting everything? Or doing any other specific 'diet' or anything?

FWIW, I need to average 100k every single day to keep my weight down! Plus run. And do gym stuff.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 April, 2015, 08:37:47 pm
Whereas I sit on my substantial (even now) a**e all day, count nothing but am aware of the sugar, Calorie and fat content of most foods I eat and adjust my intake accordingly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on 15 April, 2015, 09:29:23 pm
 :thumbsup:I dipped under the 90kg today.I would like to drop another 2kg before my next 200 which includes a hilly section.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 April, 2015, 11:23:57 am
Well I am fed up.  :-[

85kg for weeks on end. Nothing I do seems to make a difference not even a 100km ride.

Try cutting out, or at least a big reduction in, all bread, potatoes, pasta and sugar for a couple of weeks. It sounds tough, but it's not so bad. As a diet approach, it's been around a while - https://archive.org/details/letteroncorpulen00bant.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 April, 2015, 11:40:18 am
76.2kg this morning.

Think the water retention from the Elenydd went away overnight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 16 April, 2015, 01:31:20 pm
I've lost my first stone, woohoo! It's taken 3 weeks, not 1 week as I'd hoped - but that was a daft target. I'm doing the 5:2 diet but backwards, i.e. 2 eating days and 5 fasting days. On fasting days I try to limit my calories to 600. On the fastings days I'm fairly paleo. I take lots of fibre supplements on fasting days to suppress my appetite. It's not something I would ever recommend for a cyclist. Or anybody for that matter. But I hope to lose another stone as quickly. I'm now 13st 13 lbs and I reckon I should be 12 st.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 April, 2015, 02:02:55 pm
If rapidly losing weight what do you plan to do at the end? Have you looked at reverse dieting?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 16 April, 2015, 09:01:20 pm
I've not given it any thought but I've just googled reverse dieting and it seems I should do some reading, so thank you for the tip.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 16 April, 2015, 09:04:07 pm
I've lost my first stone, woohoo! It's taken 3 weeks, not 1 week as I'd hoped - but that was a daft target.

Lordy! I'm not even sure that terminal cancer patients "achieve" that kind of rate of weight loss!

A stone in three weeks is still a pretty steep descent.

What steps are you taking to not lose lean tissue?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 16 April, 2015, 09:28:46 pm
Velosam what have you currently been doing? Are you counting everything? Or doing any other specific 'diet' or anything?

FWIW, I need to average 100k every single day to keep my weight down! Plus run. And do gym stuff.

I have been doing the lean gains thing and recording on fitness +, but I dont do so well on weekends yet my weight doesn't drop during the week either.
On the plus side if I have a binge day it does not go the wrong way either, but I was hoping to drop a bit over the month.

Quote from HM
Stop weighing yourself for a month.
Continue eating small portions of sensible foods.
Look at what happened to my weight when I stopped weighing myself.
I have been to several big eating occasions in the last month (2 weddings, one Big Passover meal and 7 night in hotels) but ate sensibly in between.
Chin up.
And breathe..

I am worried if I stop weighing myself its going to go up. I have binged a bit on odd days though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 April, 2015, 09:55:09 pm
Weight loss is what happens when your regular daily habits leave you in overall deficit.
It is your habitual eating (and activity) behaviour which affect your long-term body composition.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 18 April, 2015, 05:15:05 pm
I think I am probably having the odd snack  and not recording it properly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 April, 2015, 07:04:37 pm
Odd snacks should be enjoyed but need to be compensated by
Expecting to eat less for longer to lose any weight
Reducing energy input at subsequent meals or
Skipping meals IF NOT HUNGRY when they are around.

I am unconvinced skipping meals is bad when someone is not hungry.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 18 April, 2015, 07:52:03 pm
What steps are you taking to not lose lean tissue?

I had no idea this was an issue! My excess weight looks to be all in my belly, which has shrunk a bit but is still huge. I'd like to shed at least another stone of belly with this diet but I'm not sure I have the discipline.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 20 April, 2015, 10:05:35 am
I've not been an active contributor this year, but have been trying to lose weight by dint of 5/2 dieting plus added exercise.  Thus far I have lost a stone in 8 weeks. Now (from experience) comes the hard part - maintaining that loss. Another 2 stone to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 April, 2015, 10:11:30 am
Well done rafletcher! Yeah, the first stone is comparatively easy; I didn't even enter my 2012 weights into the weight reports until late last year, when I did this retrospectively.
Keeping it off and continuing to lose are a challenge but it can be done!
Welcome!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 22 April, 2015, 06:41:04 am
Another loss even after a week of lounging by a pool in Cyprus and not watching what I eat at all. Very pleased that I didn't put on any. I just need to get my head around the fact that I am into this for the long haul. I didn't put it on overnight so it isn't going to disappear overnight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 April, 2015, 10:49:12 am
Up a bit, but so are my cankles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 22 April, 2015, 10:52:36 am
Up a lot, but that's normal post-audax.  Should have settled down by next week
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 22 April, 2015, 03:15:55 pm
Returning to this thread after a long time. I'm 14 kg heavier, than my lightest point since this thread on weight loss started. If I get back to my lightest, I'm getting carbon bit of bling.

I can pin point the key areas of weight gain, down to several very enjoyable holidays.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 April, 2015, 03:47:10 pm
Unless your holidays are very long, they do not usually cause much long-term fat gain. They will cause short-term weight gain. They can change your habits though; I gained a substantial amount after picking up a daily croissant & jam habit in France.
It's mostly what you eat on the >300 days per year when you're not on holiday that counts.

Welcome back!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 April, 2015, 04:05:13 pm
My weight has never fully recovered from Spain in 2013.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 22 April, 2015, 04:26:27 pm
Mine never normally goes up too much on holiday.

I literally can't stop eating. Need to wire my jaws shut. Totally stressing me out. Can't go 20 mins without putting something in there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 22 April, 2015, 05:28:27 pm
+0.3 this week, but happy to be cycling and running again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 22 April, 2015, 07:07:46 pm
+0.3 this week, but happy to be cycling and running again.

Good for you.

I think I am at 83.5 (not sure as the scales are the needle type) but I hope this lasts into next week, usually its just a blip.

EDIT - well still there today - hurray -  a record for 2 days, just hoping it lasts and drops to 82. I know wishes, horses, mice etc
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 22 April, 2015, 07:38:51 pm
After I lost a stone in 3 weeks I celebrated with microwave curries and chocolate biscuits, gained 3 lbs and got spots. I've lost 2 of the 3 lbs, hoping to say goodbye to the third one by tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 23 April, 2015, 02:31:00 pm
I finally managed to get myself into "PBP is almost here Mode" and keep the calories down. Currently I can't see why I would ease up on the diet.

Strava really highlighted the issue because it cleverly estimates your power output (based on Speed, weight, gradient I assume).  Clearly it's not perfectly accurate BUT what it does show is that I am putting out more power on the hills, than the lightweight cyclists, and going slower up them.

Once you get to a decent level of fitness and endurance, initially more important than weight I think, then you reach a point where you are battling the Power:Weight ratio. I am battling it and losing it seems.

Anyway, I'm heading towards a good place regarding fitness and weight now.  Strava has also helped me on the fitness front as well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 April, 2015, 02:03:15 pm
Now below 60kg again.
Will try to stabilise at 57-8kg.
I hope.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 26 April, 2015, 03:27:55 pm
Now below 60kg again.
Will try to stabilise at 57-8kg.
I hope.

Good for you.  Just got the maintenance to do now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 26 April, 2015, 08:34:50 pm
Now below 60kg again.
Will try to stabilise at 57-8kg.
I hope.

Well done! By the sounds of it you've worked hard to get there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 27 April, 2015, 02:58:05 pm
bugger  :( after hitting 83.5 on Friday managed to get it UP to 84 on Monday.  I have no self control on weekends and should really stay away from sweet dumplings. Got to lose that 0.5 somehow
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 27 April, 2015, 03:28:49 pm
bugger  :( after hitting 83.5 on Friday managed to get it UP to 84 on Monday.  I have no self control on weekends and should really stay away from sweet dumplings. Got to lose that 0.5 somehow

Train yourself to weigh once a week only - Sat AM after your morning ablutions for instance. Daily fluctuations happen, well, daily. It's the trend you're looking for.

I eat cheese and biscuits on a Friday and Saturday evening, with wine, and this weekend I had potatoes with the roast (Jerseys, can't resist them totally) and yesterday had a risotto. But today and tomorrow (work days) I'll have fruit and yogurt for breakfast, a mixed coffee & mocha for lunch, and a non-carb low fat meal for tea. The rest of the week is "sensible" eating (apart from Friday and Saturday that is!). Works for me, YMMV. I'd recommend you try looking here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02ddsd9 for some basic info. there's no one-size-fits-all solution of course but I found it helped focus me on what might be (and has so far proven to be) the best course to follow for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 28 April, 2015, 02:43:19 pm
bugger  :( after hitting 83.5 on Friday managed to get it UP to 84 on Monday.  I have no self control on weekends and should really stay away from sweet dumplings. Got to lose that 0.5 somehow

Train yourself to weigh once a week only - Sat AM after your morning ablutions for instance. Daily fluctuations happen, well, daily. It's the trend you're looking for.

I eat cheese and biscuits on a Friday and Saturday evening, with wine, and this weekend I had potatoes with the roast (Jerseys, can't resist them totally) and yesterday had a risotto. But today and tomorrow (work days) I'll have fruit and yogurt for breakfast, a mixed coffee & mocha for lunch, and a non-carb low fat meal for tea. The rest of the week is "sensible" eating (apart from Friday and Saturday that is!). Works for me, YMMV. I'd recommend you try looking here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02ddsd9 for some basic info. there's no one-size-fits-all solution of course but I found it helped focus me on what might be (and has so far proven to be) the best course to follow for me.

cheers, I tried that bbc thing and I turned out to be a feaster. Once I start I cant stop.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 April, 2015, 02:16:43 pm
Continuing to fluctuate around the 76kg level. Less fat and more muscle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 May, 2015, 09:23:58 am
75.1kg - lowest this year. Did I ride a 400 at the weekend?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 06 May, 2015, 10:13:14 am
Simon, indeed you did.....

I was a bit heavier after the Brevet Cymru - I believe that if I have pushed myself, as I did on the BC, doing intervals on some of the hills, and pushing for random periods on the flats, just to get some harder training, my body during the recovery stage retains more water as part of the repair process...

The recovery is over now and this morning I was at 62.2 which is my median weight now...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jhob on 06 May, 2015, 10:16:41 am
I was a bit heavier after the Brevet Cymru - I believe that if I have pushed myself, as I did on the BC, doing intervals on some of the hills, and pushing for random periods on the flats, just to get some harder training, my body during the recovery stage retains more water as part of the repair process...

Same thing happens to me.  I can usually expect to be +1/2kg for a week or so after 200k+ audax.

Only just this week has my weight come back down to normal 2 weeks after a 300
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: davelodwig on 07 May, 2015, 10:51:25 am
Haven't seemed to loose anything according to the scales, went for the final wedding suit fitting and had dropped a waistcoat size, and the trousers wouldn't stay up. I guess the cycling, running, and fasting must be paying off in some way.

D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 07 May, 2015, 10:57:53 am
More muscle and less fat. One reason why obsessing too much about weight can be a distraction.

I'm still heavier than I was a year ago but I have less fat and more muscle. It's arguably healthier.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 07 May, 2015, 10:06:11 pm
More muscle and less fat. One reason why obsessing too much about weight can be a distraction.

I'm still heavier than I was a year ago but I have less fat and more muscle. It's arguably healthier.

Obsessing about weight is a distraction I am very good at avoiding  O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 May, 2015, 10:25:06 pm
I might not weigh myself for a while.
I've had a month of being not quite well and intermittent nausea/poor appetite.
I'm feeling better now but feel I need to eat a little more to get my strength up.
My cankles did go down but are growing now and can hold much water weight.
I'll be happy if my hips stay at their current size.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 08 May, 2015, 09:06:28 am
I might not weigh myself for a while.
I've had a month of being not quite well and intermittent nausea/poor appetite.
I'm feeling better now but feel I need to eat a little more to get my strength up.
My cankles did go down but are growing now and can hold much water weight.
I'll be happy if my hips stay at their current size.

+1 glad you are feeling better  :)

Hit 82kg this morning but I suspect that more to do with the fact I commuted to work yesterday and ate hardly anything - more due to time.  At least its going the right way.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 10 May, 2015, 08:15:22 am
I have gone completely off plan for at least a week. Once I started I couldn't stop. Broke a bone on my wrist last weekend so no cycling either. Instead of waiting until tomorrow to get back to a more reasonable eating plan I am starting today. So the bread and butter are off the menu now, fish, fruit and plenty of veg are back on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 May, 2015, 12:46:24 pm
We are going to a Tea Concert this afternoon.

We will eat much CAEK and many goodies.

It's tuna salad for supper tonight and Sensible Food after that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 12 May, 2015, 10:33:24 am
It's warming up, and I no longer have to wear a jumper. This exposes the fact that my work shirts are a bit snug. Excellent reminder for me not to snack/binge at work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 13 May, 2015, 02:43:20 pm
Wahooo!!   :thumbsup: Fist time the long suffering bathroom scales have started with an 8 for prob....20 years... This is slightly cheating and it was post ride. But then all my weigh ins are post ride anyway, so maybe not. Nice big bottle of French "Maltese Tripple" beer for me tonight as my reward. Been staring at for months, milk is just not the same. Prob go up 2 kg next week, as in working out there, on my own..but I am taking Blodwyn :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 13 May, 2015, 04:32:38 pm
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POUR MOI!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 15 May, 2015, 07:56:33 am
Wahooo!!   :thumbsup: Fist time the long suffering bathroom scales have started with an 8 for prob....20 years... This is slightly cheating and it was post ride. But then all my weigh ins are post ride anyway, so maybe not. Nice big bottle of French "Maltese Tripple" beer for me tonight as my reward. Been staring at for months, milk is just not the same. Prob go up 2 kg next week, as in working out there, on my own..but I am taking Blodwyn :)

well done!

I was quite happy when I managed to get into the early 8s - 82 today not sure how long that will last with the weekend coming up!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2015, 11:00:26 pm
Tried one of the 4-point caliper methods. Suggests 12.2% body fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 20 May, 2015, 11:01:56 pm
Tried one of the 4-point caliper methods. Suggests 12.2% body fat.

did I pinch you this time? After last time i didn't think you would be coming back for MOAR  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2015, 11:15:36 pm
Tried one of the 4-point caliper methods. Suggests 12.2% body fat.

did I pinch you this time? After last time i didn't think you would be coming back for MOAR  :P

None of the skin folds was zero this time, which is an improvement.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 27 May, 2015, 09:21:01 pm
Last night: 78.0kg

This morning: 76.5kg

This evening: 75.0kg

That’s audax numberwang!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 27 May, 2015, 09:25:32 pm
Last night: 78.0kg

This morning: 76.5kg

This evening: 75.0kg

That’s audax numberwang!

So what did you eat and do today?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 27 May, 2015, 09:33:27 pm
Last night: 78.0kg

This morning: 76.5kg

This evening: 75.0kg

That’s audax numberwang!

So what did you eat and do today?

It doesn't matter. Which, I think is Simon's point. He's doing things that create a lot of metabolic noise. Like him, my weight is all over the place this week - +/- 2Kg on a whim. That's the fun of a weekend 600km audax.

Daily weighing is nuts. All you see is noise. For trends, weigh monthly. Or quarterly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 May, 2015, 10:00:53 pm
Last night: 78.0kg

This morning: 76.5kg

This evening: 75.0kg

That’s audax numberwang!

So what did you eat and do today?

It doesn't matter. Which, I think is Simon's point. He's doing things that create a lot of metabolic noise. Like him, my weight is all over the place this week - +/- 2Kg on a whim. That's the fun of a weekend 600km audax.

Daily weighing is nuts. All you see is noise. For trends, weigh monthly. Or quarterly.

Or use a tape measure and skinfold callipers.

My hip measurement seems to be the most reliable indicator of fat status.
Waist is useful but varies with food & gas etc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 27 May, 2015, 11:42:04 pm
Weighing monthly doesn't give you enough time to react to trends you don't like. Daily weighing where you ignore spot values and look at the trend would be the best option.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 28 May, 2015, 10:16:15 pm
Finally going down again. Phew
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 May, 2015, 09:28:06 pm
Daily weighing does work.
Try to weigh yourself at the same time each day, preferably before breakfast.

Enter the result on a spreadsheet in column B with the date in column A.
Create a simple Line graph and add a Linear Trendline.

Where the trendline points will tell you how you are progressing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 June, 2015, 03:19:46 pm
Didn’t look like a loss this week, with 75.3kg on Wednesday, but 74.5kg this morning suggests progress is still being made.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 10 June, 2015, 07:05:33 am
Another small loss this week.   but I have missed my first target.   I blame the holiday that we had too much good food.   Still going in the right direction though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 10 June, 2015, 09:31:27 am
Not talking about it this week - up 3lbs since Monday morning! Positively, it can't stick in that short time...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 10 June, 2015, 01:06:12 pm
Not talking about it this week - up 3lbs since Monday morning! Positively, it can't stick in that short time...

I know what you mean. I am spending 3 days at a residential course and the food and puds are excellent. I have done a bit of riding but no where enough to offset what I am guessing to be a 2k calorie surplus per day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 June, 2015, 01:25:33 pm
Not talking about it this week - up 3lbs since Monday morning! Positively, it can't stick in that short time...

Is that post-Audax fluid retention or just bad luck?

It won't stick and is 'noise' anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andyoxon on 10 June, 2015, 04:23:19 pm
Last night: 78.0kg

This morning: 76.5kg

This evening: 75.0kg

That’s audax numberwang!

Pretty much my weights.  For most of my adult life to mid 40's I was ~73kg (11.5st)(6'2"), now late 40s I've been up to 79kg.

Recently I've been 'aware' of weight loss, though I have know real idea of over what time period.  So now at 74-75kg, have put myself on a daily weigh as concerned it may be 'significant and unexplained' / 'unintentional'.  At the same time each day, I've pretty much been 74-75kg all week. 

In the whole of 2014 I cycled 2600km (good for me, since 'getting back into cycling' in 2013); now in mid June 2015 I'm already over 2000km (still not done ride over 200).  So perhaps my wt loss though 'unintentional', is not unexplained... but I just seem to err on the side of worrying, for some reason, possibly the GP previously described 'IBS' doesn't help...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 11 June, 2015, 08:00:42 am
Not talking about it this week - up 3lbs since Monday morning! Positively, it can't stick in that short time...

Is that post-Audax fluid retention or just bad luck?

It won't stick and is 'noise' anyway.

Bit of a combination really. I did my first, tough, 50 miler since falling off on Sunday afternoon, which undoubtedly led to some fluid retention. Then I went to London and Brum by train on Monday and Tuesday, so did no exercise and spent c.10 hours on the train plus sedentary work and eating. Just a shocking level of noise.

It's gone today though:) 85.4kg is more normal now. General trend still down.

I had a health assessment last week and was actually quite pleased and the doctor surprised to find 'official' falls in weight, body fat (still 16% thought) and cholestrol. Cholestrol profile was also much improved compared to 2 years ago with very low Triglycerides and high HDL.

BP still bounces every time I go near a white coat mind, but is generally fine at home.

Mike





 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 11 June, 2015, 08:50:31 am
That all sounds good news to me Mike.

Despite 2,000+ mile months on the bike, plus I'm also running, and doing gym stuff, and there is a lot of 'quality' stuff in there as it's TT season, I'm still fighting a huge battle with keeping my weight down. I'm doing it, and fluctuating within a kg- I did see my lowest weight again this morning (I'm 8 st 10) but it does involve me being hungry literally the entire time. I feel like I can't stop eating/wanting to eat, and am getting totally pre-occupied with food, so I just don't think my body is wanting to stay here.

I'm faster here, definitely running, and also TTing, so not sure how to deal with this really. I want to stay this weight, but not sure I can handle the constant battle. I have forgotten how amazing pizza/pasta/bread are, I just want to eat them but won't. Not easy, this.

Got a 10k race tonight, but then will be taking it fairly easy tomorrow before a 600k this weekend (I've only ever done one, so this isn't a usual ride for me!) and will have to accept a day of 'overeating'. I might even have my first rest day of the year (tho I'm sure I'll crack!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 June, 2015, 10:01:58 am
I'm no expert, but with that workload, how can you not be overtraining?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 11 June, 2015, 10:11:32 am
I feel physically fine, TT times are faster than ever, running is fast and mojo is fine- so don't feel overtrained at all. Amazed at how little my body is moaning. Not tired really either other than general life.

Just bloody hungry and battling to keep my weight down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 11 June, 2015, 10:23:25 am
For the last 6 months I have been putting on weight.  Alarmingly so for me.  At each of my diabetic reviews I mentioned it and was weighed and noted - but nothing changed.  At my last review in April I had put on 5 more kilos and yet my mmol was the best ever.  I felt like shit with no energy as I was controlling my sugars so well but that didn't explain the weight gain.

In the chemist after leaving the surgery I was discussing my diabetes with a fellow diabetic - my pharmacist.  I made a flippant remark about weight gain and he said "Yes - that is a side effect of the Glicazide drug you are on.  It is weight positive for some people".  He then produced a drug bible and showed me several references to this and also to alternatives.

I contacted the surgery and expressed my concerns.  I am now on one of the new inhibitors that is weight neutral.  So far I have lost a stone in just over a month.  I already feel better but have quite a way to go on this tricky road.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 11 June, 2015, 01:54:36 pm
That all sounds good news to me Mike.

Despite 2,000+ mile months on the bike, plus I'm also running, and doing gym stuff, and there is a lot of 'quality' stuff in there as it's TT season, I'm still fighting a huge battle with keeping my weight down. I'm doing it, and fluctuating within a kg- I did see my lowest weight again this morning (I'm 8 st 10) but it does involve me being hungry literally the entire time. I feel like I can't stop eating/wanting to eat, and am getting totally pre-occupied with food, so I just don't think my body is wanting to stay here.

I'm faster here, definitely running, and also TTing, so not sure how to deal with this really. I want to stay this weight, but not sure I can handle the constant battle. I have forgotten how amazing pizza/pasta/bread are, I just want to eat them but won't. Not easy, this.

Got a 10k race tonight, but then will be taking it fairly easy tomorrow before a 600k this weekend (I've only ever done one, so this isn't a usual ride for me!) and will have to accept a day of 'overeating'. I might even have my first rest day of the year (tho I'm sure I'll crack!)


Cheers.

A couple of thoughts that may or may not be relevant, and not in any particular order. I'm not sure really.

1. Overtraining - been there many years ago. Like overuse injuries it's arrival is insidious and you'll feel good until you start trying to work though it and it all goes wrong. You may be fine, we all have different load capacities, which evolve over time in any case. Also, don't forget that load includes the rest of life, so a tough time at work will reduce the level of training load you can accommodate. Only you can judge this, unless you have a very good coach and access to regular physiological analysis

2. Training and intensity - give the volume and intensity you're doing it's no wonder you are hungry. It is very difficult to train hard and lose weight at the same time. You just need a lot of calories to train hard and without that support you're more likely to lose muscle mass. High intensity doesn't help either, as it burns through glycogen so you will always be hungry for replacement carbs - I'm sure Chris S will fill you in on the physiological impact there, although the in-out balance does seem to work in lab testing. I read that Cancellara's positive was allegedly related to the use of the steroid with thyroid medication to help him maintain training load, while losing weight and not muscle. Don't even think about this. It is genuinely dangerous, even with N*** labs backing you up.

3. You're probably hungry because you're working hard. I put on weight when I married, worked harder and had kids because I was an habitual eater due to both childhood and lots of exercise, but had stopped doing enough to use all the food. But it was habit rather than true hunger. Training harder creates hunger and it's entirely natural physiologically to over compensate. We 'grew up' with scarcity and live with excess. Our relationship with food is complex I'm afraid.

4. There is an old athletics dictum that it is best to go as fast as possible on as little training as possible. This to avoid overuse/overtraining issues. It's also helpful to avoid the approach of increasing volume in order to lose weight, which turns it all upside down. Food for the activity is fine, but activity for food may not be.

FWIW, I am 6ft 1in, used to weigh 157lbs and run 2 min 800s and was able to turn out a sub 70 half marathon if I had the inclination to run that far. 20 years on I'll be perfectly happy to be back under 175lbs and to stay healthy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 11 June, 2015, 02:18:25 pm
I do appreciate the comments, of course.

I've been overtrained more than once in my life, and once made myself incredibly ill with it. I'm miles  away at the moment, I don't feel even vaguely overtrained, or near it.

I do want a magic solution to stop hand to mouth syndrome though  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 11 June, 2015, 02:24:12 pm
Despite 2,000+ mile months on the bike, plus I'm also running, and doing gym stuff, and there is a lot of 'quality' stuff in there as it's TT season, I'm still fighting a huge battle with keeping my weight down.

Are you sure you aren't just turning into 100% muscle? I'm sure I'd have the consistency of mahogany if I did all that training.

What's happening to your body shape?

Chris Hoy probably comes out as overweight by simple Height:Weight BMI
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 11 June, 2015, 02:31:15 pm
I'm 18lbs lighter than about 18 months ago. But in the last 6 months ish, it's just been a fight to stay where I am.

I have huge stupid legs, standard cyclist ones, except I think exaggerated as I naturally pack muscle on my thighs. I hate them but can live with them, I just don't get them out. Of course I'm not saying I'm fat at this weight, I do think I could lose a little more, but I'm more interested in staying where I am without quite so much effort! I'm just not naturally thin.

Of course my body shape has changed a lot in 18 months, I have no boobs at all, always the first place it goes from FFS lol, and my hips have shrunk but I sure ain't perfect. I've dropped from a 10-12 to a 6-8.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: BrianI on 11 June, 2015, 06:59:38 pm
:facepalm:

Been on "light duties" for the past 4 weeks at work.

Shame I've been eating like I've been out on delivery (4 - 6 miles walking delivery) for the past 4 weeks.

Now feeling rather tubby, trousers getting tight!  Developing moobs as well :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 17 June, 2015, 06:36:50 am
Bit more off this week, down to 85kgs and, yesterday, went back to 34 inch waist trousers for the first time in a few years. Suit jacket is now noticeably baggy too - noticeable enough to have it pointed out to me by a colleague yesterday.

Just need to keep it up now.

Mike

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 17 June, 2015, 06:40:23 am
Well I have made goal, albeit a couple of weeks late.   Now to reassess and KEEP IT OFF.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 17 June, 2015, 09:39:59 pm
Bit more off this week, down to 85kgs and, yesterday, went back to 34 inch waist trousers for the first time in a few years. Suit jacket is now noticeably baggy too - noticeable enough to have it pointed out to me by a colleague yesterday.

Just need to keep it up now.

Mike

Well done!

I am stagnating again but reading your earlier reply work is more intense right now and things are not going to get better soon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 June, 2015, 09:59:00 pm
I am neither weighing myself nor attempting to lose weight right now. I'm probably gaining a bit of fat.
I might resume some serious effort next month.
Maybe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 June, 2015, 11:36:53 pm
75.7kg. Then did trainer session and drank a 750ml bottle. 74.7kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lisat on 18 June, 2015, 06:40:06 am
Stayed the same but I am finally back on the bike going to work and back.  So hopefully I will be motivated to sort my eating out. I just haven't had the inclination these last 2 months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 26 June, 2015, 02:12:08 pm
So, in January 2014, during a 2 year sabbatical from long-distance cycling, I found myself unfit and 15st 3lb (96.6kg).

I wasn't sure whether I wanted to do PBP2015 but I knew that, unless I did something drastic, my fitness levels and bodyweight would make the decision for me.

18 months later, after many ups and downs, I am finally approaching a BMI of 25 at 81kg (12st 11lb) which is the lightest I've been in 20 years.

To put it in perspective for myself I looked at 31 packs of butter in the supermarket.  That's what I was carrying around with me, 31 packs!!!!. (I keep checking this number because it sounds impossible but it's true).

It's the toughest thing I've ever done, overcoming a food addiction (actually a superhuman ability to eat food way beyond what is actually required), and hopefully another 4 pounds will see me at my target PBP weight.

I'm hoping PBP will help me lose another 7 pounds to get me inside healthy BMI levels at 12 stone.

From then on I see a life-long battle with food but my "alarm bell" will sound at 12st 7 pounds and not 15st.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 26 June, 2015, 06:40:56 pm

18 months later, after many ups and downs, I am finally approaching a BMI of 25 at 81kg (12st 11lb) which is the lightest I've been in 20 years.


Well done, how are you keeping it off the weight that is?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 26 June, 2015, 08:26:41 pm

18 months later, after many ups and downs, I am finally approaching a BMI of 25 at 81kg (12st 11lb) which is the lightest I've been in 20 years.


Well done, how are you keeping it off the weight that is?

I eat a very small breakfast and a very small lunch every day. Typically a 1 egg omelette for breakfast and a can of soup for lunch. 
That's probably around 400Kcals, plus some cups of tea all day until my evening meal. 
I probably cycle every other day on average and that easily takes care of my weekly breakfast and lunch calories.
Losing weight is fundamentally about running a calorie deficit and the human body is programmed at a brain-stem level to ensure that doesn't happen.  It's tough to override caveman programming.
If you aren't losing weight then, most likely, you're eating/boozing too much and convincing yourself otherwise. (Your caveman brain is very cunning and will trick you).

Once you realise it's a battle with your caveman brain, and that it's your enemy,  then you are part way to winning.

I work on losing half a pound a week.  Sometimes I don't lose it and other weeks I lose more.  I stopped getting stressed about it. 
If I'm burning off more calories than I'm putting in then something must give eventually. I started eating not very much.
Sometimes I plateau for 2-3 weeks and then I'll lose 3 pounds on the 4th week. 
I've stopped the habit of consoling myself with food when I have a week of no weight loss (how stupid it that? It was my caveman brain telling me to console myself, it was tricking me.)

Audaxing generally lets me permanently lose 1 pound per 150km but that, especially on longer rides, can take over a week to kick in.
I recently did a 600km and lost 4 pounds a week later.  Strava reckons 13,500Kcals for the ride, that's almost perfectly 4 pounds at 3,500Kcals a pound of fat.

The self-discipline I need to stick with it is hard work and I don't know what I'll use to motivate myself when PBP is finished. 

I believe that losing weight ultimately comes down to how much you really want to lose weight.
If you're not losing weight then you really don't want to (trust me, I've been in denial as well, for 20 years, I just convinced myself that I was trying hard enough... but i wasn't).

Oh yes, if I want a day of eating and drinking then I won't feel guilty about it, I'll embrace it and enjoy it, guilt free (otherwise what is the point?)

Good luck everyone, I know how hard it is.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on 29 June, 2015, 06:47:00 am
Well done Lee.  That sounds brilliantly hard - what an accomplishment.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 29 June, 2015, 11:32:54 am
Well done Lee.  That sounds brilliantly hard - what an accomplishment.  ;D

Thanks Grub (welcome back by the way), it's my greatest accomplishment. 
PBP was trivial in comparison to how difficult it is for me to control my eating. PBP was tough for only 4 days.

I'm on the low end of the overeater "spectrum". 

I feel desperately sorry for those whose clearly have it worse than me because they (the overweight & obese) get precious little sympathy from society.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 30 June, 2015, 07:12:41 am
The weight you want to lose is fat weight. If you are exercising as a method to do this, muscle weight can be added at about 10% of the rate of fat loss.

1 lb of fat is 3500 kCals, so at 20 kCals per km and 20 kCals per 100 m climbed, It’ll be a 160 km ride with 1500 m climbing to get rid of 1 lb.

This is IF you only eat your BMR for that day and no extra for the ride.

All the other weight loss on such a ride is water.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 01 July, 2015, 06:27:14 am
Maintained this week,  but with a huge wedding weekend, last week I am satisfied.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 July, 2015, 09:31:02 am
I seem to be gaining weight. Not sure if fat or muscle. 77.2kg this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 01 July, 2015, 09:38:51 am
I seem to be gaining weight. Not sure if fat or muscle. 77.2kg this week.

I wish I was 77 and am gaining too. Not suceeding too well with the caveman brain, he is winning  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 July, 2015, 02:43:32 pm
STILL disinclined to weigh myself with massive cankles and too much CAEK.
CAEK surfeit was addressed so slowly it probably caused only minor fat gain.

I'll be back one day...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JenM on 01 July, 2015, 05:39:15 pm
I'm having a diet holiday which will end w/c 3 August and will last up until Christmas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 02 July, 2015, 05:29:23 pm
Up three pounds since the last time I reported in, a fortnight ago.
I've been away for work (again) and have had one of our sillier weekends of the year (from the eating point of view).
However, I am 8 pounds lighter than I was after the equivalent weekend last year so it's not all bad news.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 07 July, 2015, 06:56:28 am
Dipped below 80kg just hope it lasts this time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 July, 2015, 02:54:35 pm
I'm back!
Same weight as at the start of the year.
Cankles, which were ENORMOUS are mostly down, so aren't much of an excuse now.
Had too much CAEK for my birthday and partner's birthday.
GN: I'm still under 10 stone in old money.
BN:9 stone is  LONG way away.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 16 July, 2015, 11:21:10 am
To put it in perspective for myself I looked at 31 packs of butter in the supermarket.  That's what I was carrying around with me, 31 packs!!!!. (I keep checking this number because it sounds impossible but it's true).

I like the packs of butter approach – I do use that as a motivator sometimes.  I use a mixture of big blocks of cheap supermarket cheese, butter and lard as a reminder of the sort of stuff I’ve lost.

I tend not to drop in to this thread too often as it’s usually a crap reminder that I’m failing to lose weight.

I dipped below 100kg for the first time this year recently (from a high of 107.9kg – now at 98.6kg).  I’ll probably do the supermarket fat thing this weekend – and photo it as a reminder to myself.

Thing is I’m actually pretty fit, at least cycling wise – just checked my resting heart rate and it’s currently 53 bpm, so while I’m very overweight by any standards I reckon I’m pretty healthy compared to many people at ‘healthier’ weight levels.

I find it hard to lose weight when I don’t have a specific target.  You would think being fit and healthy would be enough in and of itself but apparently not.  I’ve motivated myself this time because I’m part of a triathlon relay team (half ironman distance, I’m doing the cycling bit).

Having done the same event last year I know that I’ll be faster if I can get some more weight off hence the focus on weight loss.  I’m not specifically dieting but I’m averaging about 250 miles a week on the bike and not drinking alcohol in the week (well Monday to Thursday) and trying to cut down on empty calories  elsewhere.

I’ve got another (cycling) motivator to keep the weight off after the tri but that’s probably best placed on another thread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 16 July, 2015, 12:05:00 pm
I lost 4.5 stone last year. I've put back about 8 pounds, but I'm still very pleased with life. The scariest stat for me is that my recently 4 year old son (who is tall and solid, but not fat) only weighs 3.5 stone.

Carbs are evil, and sugar is the hidden killer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 16 July, 2015, 12:17:29 pm
I lost 4.5 stone last year. I've put back about 8 pounds, but I'm still very pleased with life. The scariest stat for me is that my recently 4 year old son (who is tall and solid, but not fat) only weighs 3.5 stone.

Carbs are evil, and sugar is the hidden killer.

Well done!  I'm down 2 stone this year, but have plateaued the last 6 weeks, as I've been away from gym and bike whilst looking after wife after her hip replacement. Put nothing on though. Back on the bike saturday and back to the gym this week - God I ache!  Just 2 stone to go......

Like you carbs seem to be my downfall (at least too many). Sugar is less of an issue, although I do like my fruit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 July, 2015, 02:12:06 pm
I weighed 2½ stone when I started school at 5. I was light until my mid teens.
I've not yet lost that much but it is my eventual hope.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 July, 2015, 02:17:08 pm
I'm still 3.5 stone heavier than at 18. Fortunately it's not all fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 July, 2015, 02:23:30 pm
I am around the same weight as I was at 18.
I went down from 10 stone 3 lb to 9 stone 3, left home for university and went up to 11 stone...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 16 July, 2015, 03:50:32 pm
Hmm, at 18 I was maybe 9 1/2 stone, I'm aiming for 11 1/2!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 16 July, 2015, 10:47:24 pm
Got back from a TORtoise today - 60.8 kgs - (pre recovery drink) - not been there for ages - good timing for PBP I hope...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 17 July, 2015, 11:44:32 am
3 stones lighter than I was at 18.
The discovery of a lot of beer and 2 a.m. curries isn't offset by a 3 mile commute by bike.

Reversed the trend at 21.

Now I'm 3 stone heavier than I was at 27, which incidentally is half my present age.

Held steady for about four years.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 17 July, 2015, 11:52:59 am
3 stones lighter than I was at 18.
The discovery of a lot of beer and 2 a.m. curries isn't offset by a 3 mile commute by bike.

Reversed the trend at 21.

Now I'm 3 stone heavier than I was at 27, which incidentally is half my present age.

Held steady for about four years.

+1 good for you, its the holding steady that is difficult for me. Too much emotional content and using food as a soother doesnt help.

I am guessing I was 9.5 stone around 12, but those days are gone.

However, I have manged to get into a suit jacket that I bought when I was 25, something I never thought I would do.  I do need to try the trousers on at some point just trying to find the enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 17 July, 2015, 11:59:11 am
Funny couple of weeks, but:

At 18 to 19 I weighed between 10 1/2 and 10 3/4 stone. Probably was about 6' 1"

At 28 I weighed 11 1/4 stone and was a reasonably quick runner (sub 2 800, sub 32 10k)

At 45 and 47 I weighed 15 1/2 stone

Now 49 I weigh 13 1/2 stone and am aiming at 12. If I had time to run competitively I'd aim lower. I'm still 6' 1", though it may be a slightly smaller inch than when I was 28;)

What is shocking is how nice it feels to be 'only' 13 1/2 stone and getting out again, when at 27 I briefly touched 13 and a bit following an injury and felt silly big...

12 stone here I come, I hope.

Yes sugar and carbs are not a good way to lose weight, but actually too much of anything has the same effect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 July, 2015, 02:49:14 pm
I've just seen a picture of myself in Lycra...

 :-[


Around 18 months ago, I was below 70kg. I posed naked for a calendar and I have to admit I was fairly happy with how I looked.

Last time I weighed myself I was pushing 78kg. I know some of you would be very happy with that number, but for my build, that's not a good weight, especially since the excess is mostly round my waist. What's most concerning is that the trend is continuing upwards - unless I do something to change it soon, it won't be long at all before I break 80kg...

I'm sure part of the cause is stress - 2014 was a very trying year, and 2015 has been hard going so far too. And what do we do when we're suffering from stress? We drink too much. And eat too much as well. And on top of that I've not been doing nearly so much exercise (cycling and running) as I was in 2013.

It's also affecting my health - I used to suffer from sleep apnea and acid reflux, both of which vanished when I lost weight, but have now returned.

While I would have no qualms about getting my kit off for the camera again, I don't think it would be fair to inflict that on anyone. I liked myself when I was 67kg. Not only did I look OK, I felt great pretty much all the time. I want to feel like that again.

The causes of stress won't go away any time soon, but I guess I need to learn how to deal with them better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 July, 2015, 02:30:48 pm
Hips have shrunk another cm. Waist has not but my tummy's pretty slim when I lie down.
My arms are a really nice shape.
I am not unhappy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 21 July, 2015, 03:46:07 pm
Well, when I was 14 I was 6ft tall, weighed 14 stone and had size 14 feet. So.. I've never been tiny! I grew to 6ft 4 (and a half!) eventually.
At university I rowed and got to about 16 stone, but put on some weight (no idea now how much) by the time I got to Sandhurst where it was all magically transformed into muscle and I weighed 97kg (15 stone 3). 15 years post army, with a sedentary job I gradually ballooned to 21st 4 and then decided enough was enough. I'm now 17st 7lb (111kg) which is a pretty decent weight for a 43 year old IT geek, but having dug out some suits I had made when I was in the army I can tell that I've lost a lot of weight from my shoulders and arms since I stopped digging holes and carrying heavy things around the countryside for a living. I'm determined to get back under 17 stone again. I was 16st 10 for most of last year and really liked it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 July, 2015, 03:57:15 pm
An elegant demonstration of when BMI just Does Not Work.
Morat would have a BMI of 25 at a smidgen under 15 stone, which is far too light.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 22 July, 2015, 09:07:21 am
Having all but given up on losing weight this year (despite a target of PBP) , I am now finding that weight is
slowly dropping.
I can only put this down to lots of cycling , the usual return to salads for tea and a significant reduction in stress level at work.
One thing has changed when cycling though. I now find that I can do up to 30 miles in one session without eating anything at all.
 Up until spring of this year ,a long ride would have me grazing on sweets or nuts but now I just eat when we stop. This is not a deliberate effort to switch on the so-called fat burning as I still eat quite few carbs during the day.
 I can't decide if it is a result of just being fitter or developing more efficient metabolism(whatever that is).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 July, 2015, 03:34:24 pm
75.8kg this morning - still stuck.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 22 July, 2015, 05:57:30 pm
84.8kgs -  a bit of progress this week and feeling good after doing something active on three consecutive days.

Happy enough to head out for a beer tonight!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 23 July, 2015, 08:22:47 am
One thing has changed when cycling though. I now find that I can do up to 30 miles in one session without eating anything at all.

I was pondering eating whilst riding last weekend. When I first got back into cycling around 12 years ago, I'd do a 28 mile loop, and stop (in a bus shelter - channelling my inner audaxer maybe!) at the half way point to eat an energy bar. Why? Because I believed the propaganda I guess   :).

I passed the same spot on Sunday on my 35 mile ride, and wondered why on earth I ever thought I needed to eat at that point!!  Now I'll pocket a gel and energy bar only if on a 50 miler and then only as a precaution. And my drinks are electrolyte, not energy. OK, I'm not racing but I'm going pretty hard (for me) and manage ok.

We eat far more than we (think we) need.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 July, 2015, 12:33:38 pm
Hips down again. :)
Haven't stepped on the scales but don't really care.

Some of us really suffered major loss of power if cycling without eating.
I don't think this was psychological.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 July, 2015, 12:44:28 pm
Lost 1kg overnight. Legs will be returning to normal size.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 July, 2015, 01:48:40 pm
Last time I weighed myself I was pushing 78kg. I know some of you would be very happy with that number, but for my build, that's not a good weight, especially since the excess is mostly round my waist. What's most concerning is that the trend is continuing upwards - unless I do something to change it soon, it won't be long at all before I break 80kg...

I'm sure part of the cause is stress - 2014 was a very trying year, and 2015 has been hard going so far too. And what do we do when we're suffering from stress? We drink too much. And eat too much as well. And on top of that I've not been doing nearly so much exercise (cycling and running) as I was in 2013.

It's also affecting my health - I used to suffer from sleep apnea and acid reflux, both of which vanished when I lost weight, but have now returned.


The causes of stress won't go away any time soon, but I guess I need to learn how to deal with them better.

My weight has fluctuated horribly since LEL2013 - got as high as 80 when I was working all hours on my (70+ pages) promotion application. Currently, it's back at 74.5. I remember how good riding up hills feels under 70kg. Had to give up beer. Not drinking again until I'm under 70kg. It's been a month and 2 days (according to untappd - I'm not counting). Two big helps were a nice new bit of cycling kit (Stache 9 29+), and entering a few exciting/scary events.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 28 July, 2015, 11:50:38 pm
An elegant demonstration of when BMI just Does Not Work.
Morat would have a BMI of 25 at a smidgen under 15 stone, which is far too light.

Thank you! They actually had a BMI chart in the physio's room at Sandhurst. God I hated that thing. a BMI of 22 was Never Going to Happen. I'm sure it was sponsored by Slimfast or something equally ridiculous.

Anyway, back to the present - The price of a waistline is constant vigilance!
(sadly).
I need to keep my eyes open.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 July, 2015, 11:59:07 pm
[OT] Went to a family event today and saw nephew's wife, who had given birth to Great Nephew on June 11 2015.

Was most impressed by her waistline, which was amongst the best of the crowd.

Complimented her.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 July, 2015, 12:05:05 am
BMI of 22 for morat would be a weight of 83kg or 13st 2lb in old money.
It won't happen unless you're built like Giraffe OTP.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 29 July, 2015, 09:37:58 am
Well after  nearly 2 months away from the gym and cycling, due to life stuff, I got back into the rhythm a couple of weeks ago.  And happily my weight has started to slowly decrease again - maybe 1.2-2lbs/week - but that's fine if frustratingly slow, as long as I can continue it for the next 2 stone of weight loss! That's 20 weeks - I foresee an awful lot of gym bike / turbo / rollers (if I get my nerve up) in my future (I'm not a keen wet weather rider)!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 July, 2015, 12:20:38 pm
I wore a 20-year-old Size 12 Laura Ashley dress yesterday. (American Size 8).
It was made before vanity sizing, when women had WAISTS. I bought it when I was at my slimmest but got fatter...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 31 July, 2015, 09:42:38 am
Post holiday blues today.

After only 6 days away (where I think I was consuming around 4k cals a day and working on my tan) - up to around 82/83 Kg. At worst a 5kg increase over when I left, where I was only 2kg shy of my target.

sigh all to do again  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 31 July, 2015, 10:15:13 am
Post holiday blues today.

After only 6 days away (where I think I was consuming around 4k cals a day and working on my tan) - up to around 82/83 Kg. At worst a 5kg increase over when I left, where I was only 2kg shy of my target.

sigh all to do again  :-[

Sam, that's just not a credible actual weight gain in the period of time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 31 July, 2015, 11:37:54 am
Post holiday blues today.

After only 6 days away (where I think I was consuming around 4k cals a day and working on my tan) - up to around 82/83 Kg. At worst a 5kg increase over when I left, where I was only 2kg shy of my target.

sigh all to do again  :-[

Sam, that's just not a credible actual weight gain in the period of time.

You are right. I just googled.

Its what the scales say and I was definitely at 78 when I left and they said 82kg. So something is amiss or I got very lucky on my weight day  with the 78 - kept a photo too lol

I just googled - apparently 3500 calories for 1 lb of body fat. So I have gained approximately 10 lbs.   Which means 35000 calories.

Over 7 days, 5000 extra calories a day.  I don't think I ate that many calories although every was fried (I would have preferred grilled) - fresh fish, etc

So am really not sure why the big swing, or maybe my math or estimate of how much I ate is wrong.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 July, 2015, 11:41:00 am
Post holiday blues today.

After only 6 days away (where I think I was consuming around 4k cals a day and working on my tan) - up to around 82/83 Kg. At worst a 5kg increase over when I left, where I was only 2kg shy of my target.

sigh all to do again  :-[

Sam, that's just not a credible actual weight gain in the period of time.
Agreed.
I doubt you can gain more than a kilo of fat in that time despite your best efforts!

I reckon a return to sensible small eating, a bit of exercise and maybe getting your feet up if you have swollen ankles will lose you about 3.5kg.

If you were dehydrated on your pre-holiday weigh-in, that's another matter.

What is your waist measurement doing?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 31 July, 2015, 01:18:31 pm
Waist measurement, very roughly, up by 0.5 inches
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 31 July, 2015, 01:29:07 pm
And that's 35000 calories consumed and none lost. You'll burn 1000 just being awake during the day.  I'd suggest it's more fluid retention and a gutful of, well, crap  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 31 July, 2015, 01:30:59 pm
I love all these attempts to make sense of calories-in/calories-out.

You simply cannot make anything useful from these figures. Unless you write them down on a piece of paper, and use said paper as a fire-lighter.

Firstly, your estimate of calories-in is probably completely wrong. Secondly, you're assuming your body can assimilate all of those calories and use them. Thirdly, you're assuming your body will have stored any excess calories (whatever that statement means) as fat.

Truth is, you simply don't know. All you know is that you returned from holiday heavier than you left. Maybe you added some muscle because you were hefting luggage about? Maybe your blood volume went up because it was hot? Maybe your high-fat diet has left you incredibly constipated (a few days of backlog would probably easily account for a kilo of your gain (Yewww!)) Again - you just don't know.

Assuming it's body fat you're concerned about, it accumulates quite slowly - certainly slower than you could detect in six days.

When it comes to over-eating, you can only really use that information in retrospect. If you put on body mass of any kind (fat, muscle, connective tissue, a baby) you have to have taken in more calories than you used for staying alive, that must be true. But you cannot use calorie/exercise burns to predict whether you'll lose or gain weight.

If you want to lose fat, you have to start by encouraging the right hormonal conditions for your body to do that. It has all the machinery ready and waiting - you just have to give it the right conditions. Once you do that, then you can work on encouraging your body to actually burn the stuff - by eating less (NO! Don't count calories, just eat when you're hungry), and by keeping active.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 July, 2015, 01:41:48 pm
Waist measurement, very roughly, up by 0.5 inches

Well, that's not around 5+ litres of extra volume, is it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 31 July, 2015, 02:08:08 pm
Secondly, you're assuming your body can assimilate all of those calories and use them.

This is something that a lot of people neglect. Calorific value is derived from burning the dry residue of foodstuffs and measuring the energy released. If the residue is largely fibrous, it matters not how many calories therein, your body would never be able to absorb most of them. So some high calorie foods - or more correctly foods with a high calorific value -  can be less "fattening" than low calorie foods.

And rare meat is less able to be digested than well cooked meat so less energy can be derived from it etc..

As Si says, an awful lot of variables.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 July, 2015, 03:03:59 pm
Humans are fairly efficient at absorbing most of the Calories in food. It's true we can't absorb much vegetable fibre but that is not as energy dense as fat.
Sugar absorption is pretty complete (excepting lactose in the lactose intolerant) and most fat is absorbed (if you're not suffering malabsorption or taking Orlistat/oilyshat).

Many people can't eat beyond a certain point though; I don't think I could face 2,000 extra Calories every day for very long.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 31 July, 2015, 04:22:50 pm
I dont know about the 2k calories, it was quite enjoyable, but then I knew it would end.
Here's hoping to some rapid weight drop by next week's weigh in. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 July, 2015, 05:04:28 pm
It WILL happen so long as you are 'sensible'!

Most of the Christmas binge bulge goes around a fortnight into the New Year, as I posted around 7 months ago...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 31 July, 2015, 06:03:30 pm
I dont know about the 2k calories, it was quite enjoyable, but then I knew it would end.
Here's hoping to some rapid weight drop by next week's weigh in. :)
Hints to rapid weight loss: Take all your clothing off, remove foot that joking partner have placed on scales and use the toilet before :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 July, 2015, 06:08:38 pm
Place as much bodyweight as possible on left heel...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 July, 2015, 07:08:47 pm
It WILL happen so long as you are 'sensible'!

Most of the Christmas binge bulge goes around a fortnight into the New Year, as I posted around 7 months ago...

I posted similar to Gandalf around Christmas/New Year 2011/2.

He gained 8lb, then lost 6½lb

See replies #2107 & 2158 a very long way upthread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 August, 2015, 07:53:02 am
I haven't visited this thread for quite a while because it has been very inappropriate for me to do so. However, I got on the scales this morning and I lost the best part of half a stone when cycling in Scotland. The right side of 19 stone for the first time in a couple of years, I reckon.

Now, where did I put that Lecht...?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 August, 2015, 02:08:52 pm
It seems I have not lost any weight this year.  :(
I am no fatter and not fat.
I might have to content myself with that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 August, 2015, 02:12:42 pm
It seems I have not lost any weight this year.  :(
I am no fatter and not fat.
I might have to content myself with that.

Is your current weight a problem to you?

If not, no worries!  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 05 August, 2015, 03:07:38 pm
Just to update I seem to be settling around 80kg so the weight gain wasn't that bad.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 August, 2015, 03:13:26 pm
It seems I have not lost any weight this year.  :(
I am no fatter and not fat.
I might have to content myself with that.

Is your current weight a problem to you?

If not, no worries!  :)

I would like to be nearer to 9 stone than 10 stone.
It's not a problem as such; I would just like to be thinner/slimmer/lighter/less fat.
It's a pure luxury. I am not diabetic, I have normal blood pressure and cholesterol.

Being lighter would make it easier for my feeble muscles to shift my lumpen body, ease shifting my wheelchair by others and enable me to wear smaller clothes.

I appreciate this is a marginal luxury.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 August, 2015, 12:06:12 pm
We've moved the scales to the bathroom so I can weigh myself in the morning.
I was 60.4kg today, some 2.5 litres lighter than midweek.

This is much closer to the real weight I thought I was.

But it's all just noise...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 11 August, 2015, 10:07:52 am
Off on holiday on Saturday. 9 days in Austria. Normally I will try eat a country, but this time I will try eat everything, but in moderation. In Europe, it's always the hotel buffet breakfasts that get me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 11 August, 2015, 10:13:22 am
Off on holiday on Saturday. 9 days in Austria. Normally I will try eat a country, but this time I will try eat everything, but in moderation. In Europe, it's always the hotel buffet breakfasts that get me.

You are lucky, the hotel buffet - breakfast, lunch and dinner buffets all get me.

Not to mention the pastries, ice-creams and beers during the rest of the day! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 August, 2015, 12:13:38 pm
Weighed myself today.
So wobbly it took several attempts to get scales to beep at all.
Got readings of 55.4, 58.2, 57,8 and 60.0kg!!!!

As 60kg is the closest to the last two readings of 60.4kg, this is the one I'll accept.

But it's all nonsense! I'll have to find a more consistent place to put myself and the scales.

In the mean time, I am happy that my hip measurements are showing a progressive loss and that I seem to be a reasonable shape, barring my cankles...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 11 August, 2015, 01:10:35 pm
My weight has fluctuated horribly since LEL2013 - got as high as 80 when I was working all hours on my (70+ pages) promotion application. Currently, it's back at 74.5. I remember how good riding up hills feels under 70kg. Had to give up beer. Not drinking again until I'm under 70kg. It's been a month and 2 days (according to untappd - I'm not counting). Two big helps were a nice new bit of cycling kit (Stache 9 29+), and entering a few exciting/scary events.

72.3kg at the mo' - not drinking seems to be the key for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 11 August, 2015, 10:22:10 pm
well i'm a bit confused ???.  today swmbo went for a health check,/bmi thing. she came out at 21, and was weighed , at the doctors, and came in a a healthy 57kg. Mmmmm!. 
when she got home, and told me all about it, I insisted she went up to the bathroom, and weigh herself on our /MY scales.  imagine my consternation when she topped out at 60.1 kg :o :o  Sooo that would mean the scales are overreading by 3kg @ 60kg. Now Im topping out at around my target weight of 90kg +/' 1kg ( down 10 kg since jan) BUT what is my REAL weight, It must be at least 87kg maybe less. 

Are doctors scales, the ones with the 2 footplates and a big mini speedo in the middle, guaranteed accurate, I mean are they tested.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 August, 2015, 11:05:33 pm
The doctors' scales are not used for trading commodities, so might not be tested for accuracy.
While a 5% error is undesirable, it doesn't make a huge difference for one-off judgements of risk factors.

Hospital scales are probably checked more regularly and my experience of scales for which you put a coin in the slot is that they are usually accurate too.

Weigh yourself at Boots and weigh yourself at home in the same clothes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 12 August, 2015, 07:35:35 am
That's a good idea  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 12 August, 2015, 09:37:02 am
Heritage railways usually have some ½ cwt weights from olde style scales.

Severn Valley Railway is such a venue. So is The Battlefield Line at Shackerstone. There are many more.
On a daytrip with bathroom scales in Carradice, calibrate the bathroom scales with proper ½ cwt weights.

Or, your house might be on a ley line,,,  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 12 August, 2015, 10:23:09 am
Heritage railways usually have some ½ cwt weights from olde style scales.

Severn Valley Railway is such a venue. So is The Battlefield Line at Shackerstone. There are many more.
On a daytrip with bathroom scales in Carradice, calibrate the bathroom scales with proper ½ cwt weights.

Or, your house might be on a ley line,,,  ;)

good idea. I weighed myself on 3 different scales and got readings of -3kg (a good thing) but then +1.5kg (not so good) on the same day with the same clothes and no intakes or outtakes!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 August, 2015, 12:16:08 pm
It seems my digital scales read 2kg less in the bathroom than in the bedroom.
Both are carpeted, which is suboptimal.
I have decided to record bathroom weights and partner bedroom weights.

I will return to my trusty spring balance in the bedroom doorway for end-of-year review. This has been how I weighed myself until the last Festive Season.

Morning bathroom weights should be OK  for trends.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 August, 2015, 12:22:18 pm
76kg this morning. 8kg heavier than just before PBP 2011 and 4kg heavier than around the time of LEL 2013.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 August, 2015, 12:10:09 am
Here we go again!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33905745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33905745)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 14 August, 2015, 07:27:27 am
Heritage railways usually have some ½ cwt weights from olde style scales.

Severn Valley Railway is such a venue. So is The Battlefield Line at Shackerstone. There are many more.
On a daytrip with bathroom scales in Carradice, calibrate the bathroom scales with proper ½ cwt weights.

Or, your house might be on a ley line,,,  ;)

good idea. I weighed myself on 3 different scales and got readings of -3kg (a good thing) but then +1.5kg (not so good) on the same day with the same clothes and no intakes or outtakes!

You won't notice, but your body is expelling about 250g of water every hour.

For an example, breath out on a frosty morning and the mist being condensed from your breath is,,,,, WATER !

There is NEVER "no outtakes."
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 14 August, 2015, 08:40:20 am
Here we go again!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33905745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33905745)

19 obese people. Fantastic sample size. Any randomisation? Any adjustments for, oo, gender, age, how long you've been obese, body composition?

Also:
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Experts say the most effective diet is one people can stick to.
No shit, sherlock.

 

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showed that after six days on each diet, those reducing fat intake lost an average 463g of body fat - 80% more than those cutting down on carbs, whose average loss was 245g.

Dunno about you folks, but I can lose 245g with a hefty visit to the loo. And six days??? Us low-carb defenders will be telling you that isn't long enough for adaptation.

If all I needed to lose was 463g I wouldn't be posting in this thread.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 14 August, 2015, 11:58:45 am
I hit 78kg this morning, which was my target. May just be a flash in the pan - and not last till my 'official' weigh in but its nice to finally see some 'air' before the 80kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 14 August, 2015, 01:36:57 pm
May just be a flash in the pan -

I'm sorry, but that made me spit tea over the monitor.

As you were ..............

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 14 August, 2015, 01:47:58 pm
May just be a flash in the pan -

I'm sorry, but that made me spit tea over the monitor.

As you were ..............

I missed why but apologies anyway
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 August, 2015, 05:18:11 pm
Sometimes 'flash in the pan' does not allude to panning gold diggers...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 14 August, 2015, 06:33:34 pm
Sometimes 'flash in the pan' does not allude to panning gold diggers...

The panning reference is new to me.  But the phrase comes from the early days of black powder firearms.

But I'm sure that wasn't the intended meaning either...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 15 August, 2015, 09:13:56 am
Here we go again!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33905745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33905745)

19 obese people. Fantastic sample size. Any randomisation? Any adjustments for, oo, gender, age, how long you've been obese, body composition?

Isn't this the same as the sample size chosen by the "chocolate makes you lose weight" spoof study, on the grounds that it would definitely show spurious results? Has the BBC been hoodwinked again?

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showed that after six days on each diet, those reducing fat intake lost an average 463g of body fat - 80% more than those cutting down on carbs, whose average loss was 245g.

Dunno about you folks, but I can lose 245g with a hefty visit to the loo. And six days??? Us low-carb defenders will be telling you that isn't long enough for adaptation.

If all I needed to lose was 463g I wouldn't be posting in this thread.

 :facepalm:

Exactly. The difference between the two of 218g - a small glass of water or less than an item of clothing - is then claimed as "debunking" previous claims. Surely not even a GCSE student would get away with reporting 3 decimal places for such a measurement, which implies at least 5DP, possibly 6DP of precision in the original weighing!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 August, 2015, 10:05:44 am
So many studies of nutrition and sports science are way too small. It's annoying.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 August, 2015, 10:20:08 am
Recruiting and retaining two groups of a hundred people for a hundred days, keeping to any strict regimen and having A Life, must be well-nigh impossible.
These would be the very least to get anything minimally meaningful IMO so we are left with much second-rate research matter.

As I live near the real world, I sometimes eat high carbohydrate foods and sometimes eat high-fat foods. Sometimes I eat CAEK, which is high in sugar, fat and starch.

I'll just stick to shrinking my portion sizes and extending my gaps between meals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 15 August, 2015, 10:25:26 am
That study that BBC did ages ago had around 300 people for 6 months.   I will try and dig out the link
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 17 August, 2015, 10:13:43 am
Recruiting and retaining two groups of a hundred people for a hundred days, keeping to any strict regimen and having A Life, must be well-nigh impossible.
These would be the very least to get anything minimally meaningful IMO so we are left with much second-rate research matter.

As I live near the real world, I sometimes eat high carbohydrate foods and sometimes eat high-fat foods. Sometimes I eat CAEK, which is high in sugar, fat and starch.

I'll just stick to shrinking my portion sizes and extending my gaps between meals.

Yup.

People living near the real world eat in moderation. If they notice their belt getting tighter, they eat less and exercise more until it goes loose.

I did hear, the 'perfect man' has a waistline half his height.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 17 August, 2015, 11:54:53 am
The doctors' scales are not used for trading commodities, so might not be tested for accuracy.
While a 5% error is undesirable, it doesn't make a huge difference for one-off judgements of risk factors.

Last time I was weighed by a doctor, I wasn't even asked to remove my shoes, never mind the rest of my clothes. It made me realise that a 100% accurate figure probably isn't that important for their purposes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 17 August, 2015, 12:38:51 pm
Doctors are not much interested in your ‘muffin top’. They are more interested if you have to squeeze through their doorway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 August, 2015, 12:31:13 pm
I would appear to have lost more than I should have expected over the last fortnight.
My 'mental weight' is 60 kg, whatever the scales are showing.

I am plugging on...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 August, 2015, 12:44:39 pm
I believe today's recordings of 57.5kg even less.
Will move scales back to the bedroom and expect 60kg...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 23 August, 2015, 12:53:23 pm
Considering trying to lose weight again after over a year where I frankly CBA.
No idea what my weight is just now but judging from the belly and man boobs it's probably more than I'd like.  :'(

Intermittent fasting (5:2) seemed to work last time, so will try that once more: problem is sticking to it. :-) Oh might have to cut down on beer too (started recreational light drinking again in the autumn of last year after nearly two years more or less teetotal).

Any tips from folk on how to stick to a diet regime will be most welcome!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 August, 2015, 01:07:19 pm
I don't have a diet regime.
I don't like alcohol much; nor does partner, so we just don't drink it.
We don't drink sugar much though I have one orange juice every day.
We fry very little.
We mostly eat meals at home, always sit down to eat together and put food away after meals.
We don't eat much between meals.
Portion sizes are sometimes controlled.
We have LOTS of fresh or frozen fruit and veg, mostly eaten raw or just microwaved, with little added fat.
We DO have treats but keep them small and infrequent.
We eat what we fancy without going wild when eating out.

This is more lifestyle than diet regime.
It works.
It's not faddy and is sustainable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 24 August, 2015, 07:12:46 am
Since I attended a medieval ‘living museum’, I’ve started having herbs in my meat and having only onion, cabbage and root veg with it.
I’m now getting fed up with ‘Thick meat broth’ every night, but I feel great and have lost 3 lb this last week.
Tonight I’m going to spill a bit of turmeric, ginger and chilli in it to get it going.

Still on the eggs and black pudding for breakfast.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 25 August, 2015, 10:01:11 pm
Since I attended a medieval ‘living museum’, <snip>
Where? Sort of thing I'm into (particularly the cooking)
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Still on the eggs and black pudding for breakfast.
Perfectly reasonable medieval fare.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 August, 2015, 07:29:30 am
Since I attended a medieval ‘living museum’, <snip>
Where? Sort of thing I'm into (particularly the cooking)
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Still on the eggs and black pudding for breakfast.
Perfectly reasonable medieval fare.

It was a temporary affair. The Battle of Evesham 750th Anniversary weekend.

There are apparently, 22 re-enactment groups around the country who attend 'medieval' celebrations. You'll have to scour the net to find places who are hosting.
There is of course the summer jousts at Warwick Castle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 August, 2015, 12:35:23 pm
With the scales back in the bedroom, my 'unbelievable' weight loss has disappeared.
I weigh 60.0kg which is just what I would have expected.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 August, 2015, 12:42:26 pm
75.0kg today. I'm planning to avoid a post-PBP weight gain, so restarted logging on Sunday and have started training for next season already.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 August, 2015, 05:19:43 pm
I am beginning to think a '60's school dinner' diet and lifestyle might be an effective if dull way to lose weight.

Little, if any, eating between meals.
Consider what would have been a treat in the '60s; have it as an occasional treat but keep it special by reserving for special occasions.

'You can't have your pudding until you have eaten your greens!'
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 01 September, 2015, 11:04:13 am
I am beginning to think a '60's school dinner' diet and lifestyle might be an effective if dull way to lose weight.

Little, if any eating between meals.
Consider what would have been a treat in the '60s; have it as an occasional treat but keep it special by reserving for special occasions.

'You can't have your pudding until you have eaten your greens!'

I’ll mail you some of my mum’s recipes, borrowed from Warwickshire Education Department School Meals Service.

1960s schoolday treat = 1/2 a 3d Mars bar shared with sister.


Wrong, Do it again!"
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you
have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
"You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!"
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 September, 2015, 11:07:38 am
Have decided to try gaining weight for a few months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 01 September, 2015, 11:09:36 am
Treacle sponge pudding. Spotted dick. Suetty jam rolly-poly. Fruit cake and custard. Stewed rhubarb and brown sugar. Trifle. Slice peaches ‘upsidedown’ cake. Rice pudding and strawberry jam. Manchester tart. Semolina pudding ( Kentish Pudding Pie ).

60s school dinners,,, bring it on…
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 01 September, 2015, 11:18:54 am
2010s schoolday treat.
“I hate you. I wanted a McDonalds and you give me a bag of Haribo. I hate you.”
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 September, 2015, 11:26:14 am
Hopefully without gaining too much fat - so pigging out on cake is unfortunately not part of the plan.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 02 September, 2015, 06:56:37 pm
Not a good week (or fortnight, or three weeks) but one of our ParkRun core team said he thought I was trimmer than when he first got to know me, which was less than a year a go, so maybe the weight is rearranging itself?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 05 September, 2015, 10:35:43 am
I am beginning to think a '60's school dinner' diet and lifestyle might be an effective if dull way to lose weight.

Indeed!

Sliced roast beef with gravy (protein)
Boiled potatoes (carbs)
Boiled cabbage (carbs, roughage and minerals)

Then for afters:

Jam sponge cake and custard (carbs, fat, some protein)

Yum!  ;D

Actually I love cabbage so I might just give it a go.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 September, 2015, 11:57:31 am
I am beginning to think a '60's school dinner' diet and lifestyle might be an effective if dull way to lose weight.

Indeed!

Sliced roast beef with gravy (protein)
Boiled potatoes (carbs)
Boiled cabbage (carbs, roughage and minerals)

Then for afters:

Jam sponge cake and custard (carbs, fat, some protein)

Yum!  ;D

Actually I love cabbage so I might just give it a go.

Keep the puddings small and
NO PUDDING TILL YOU'VE FINISHED YOUR GREENS!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 September, 2015, 12:31:06 pm
Weight seems stable post-PBP.

I am currently eating quite a bit more than maintenance calories but so far, no weight gain, and no increase in SI skinfold. Where's it going?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 September, 2015, 12:36:15 pm
It might be going into your bigger, better, more metabolically active muscles.
Maybe.
It might be hiding in visceral fat, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 September, 2015, 12:47:16 pm
It might be going into your bigger, better, more metabolically active muscles.
Maybe.
It might be hiding in visceral fat, unfortunately.

32" jeans are snug - not tight - around my thighs, but loose around my waist. So probably not putting on much visceral fat.

Think I might venture into the gym again after Monday's disaster with the squats, I can do upper body while my legs continue to recover.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 September, 2015, 02:13:38 pm
Beware of vanity sizing! 32" trousers from 2015 are much bigger than those from 1995!
Sorry to be such a repetitive old woman!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 September, 2015, 03:20:53 pm
Beware of vanity sizing! 32" trousers from 2015 are much bigger than those from 1995!
Sorry to be such a repetitive old woman!

Well, last time I checked my waist it was around 81cm. November 2009, 87cm, and my body fat was estimated as 18%. The skinfold chart suggests 9% for 4mm but I strongly suspect it's an underestimate as I don't have visible abs, which you would expect at 9% body fat in a male. I think I'm somewhere above 10% and below 15%.

In 1995 I was probably wearing 28" jeans. Those days are gone now, and in the past they must remain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 September, 2015, 03:52:31 pm
4mm is pretty spare!
If your abs aren't visible, I suspect your skinfold might exceed 4mm over the tummy.
Fat distribution changes quite a lot with age and IME very slowly after dietary manipulation.
My forearms are now pretty thin.
My waist measures the same now as it did in 1999 but my hips are 3" smaller and I am 10kg less.

I've not been able to weigh myself today.
I expect my body fat to have changed little over the past fortnight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 09 September, 2015, 06:38:04 pm
Beware of vanity sizing! 32" trousers from 2015 are much bigger than those from 1995!
Quite. I recently had cause to be measured properly, with a tape measure, by someone who knows about such things (in particular not by me being optimistic) and my true waist measurement is 36". A couple of weeks later I saw a pair of shorts in my wardrobe which I've not worn for  a year or two. "I wonder how they fit these days?" To be fair they are 'snug' and I wouldn't be happy wearing them anywhere important, but they would do fine for the garden or beach. M&S. Size 32". Silly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 September, 2015, 10:39:14 am
So I took 4 point measurements last night. Based on some random website I found this gives 11% body fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 11 September, 2015, 11:18:43 am
I am now down 15 Kg since January 2014 (33 pounds).

I have 2 smallish dumbells here that weigh about the same between them.  It's ridiculous to think I was carrying this much extra baggage around, they are really heavy!!!

Since that January I have improved my fitness/power as well. 

If anyone was wondering whether it's worth going through the, seemingly, endless slog to lose weight... it really is. 

I find it helps put things in perspective by visualising my weight loss in packs of butter.  That's 30 packs of butter (Lard would be more accurate i guess).

30 packs of butter seemed wrong and I had to check it again.. but yes, I used to be carrying 30 packs of butter around on my rides.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 September, 2015, 11:29:39 am
NO PUDDING TILL YOU'VE FINISHED YOUR GREENS!

If my memory of school dinners is anything to go by, "No pudding till you've finished your greys" would be more appropriate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 September, 2015, 12:13:56 pm
NO PUDDING TILL YOU'VE FINISHED YOUR GREENS!

If my memory of school dinners is anything to go by, "No pudding till you've finished your greys" would be more appropriate.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 September, 2015, 12:17:57 pm
My hips are down another centimetre.
I presume I'm getting less fat.

Yes LEE, it's a slog, yes, it't worthwhile.

My 15kg taken around four years to shift, in fits and starts but they are shifting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 11 September, 2015, 06:16:28 pm
My hips are down another centimetre.
I presume I'm getting less fat.

Yes LEE, it's a slog, yes, it't worthwhile.

My 15kg taken around four years to shift, in fits and starts but they are shifting.

I went on the 'High fibre' diet.

The weight come off in 'shits and farts'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 September, 2015, 08:54:16 pm
Aaah yes, The 'Fart' Plan' Diet!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 11 September, 2015, 09:18:44 pm
My hips are down another centimetre.
I presume I'm getting less fat.

Yes LEE, it's a slog, yes, it't worthwhile.

My 15kg taken around four years to shift, in fits and starts but they are shifting.

I went on the 'High fibre' diet.

The weight come off in 'shits and farts'.

It's all calories, Fibre, Fats & Proteins, it all comes down to calories.

I just ate a lot less of them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 September, 2015, 01:34:33 pm
I'm anticipating an increase tomorrow. Muscle or fat?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 September, 2015, 02:02:30 pm
Both and 'water'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 15 September, 2015, 02:15:24 pm
I'm anticipating an increase tomorrow. Muscle or fat?

In my case, snot  ::-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 September, 2015, 02:35:10 pm
I'm anticipating an increase tomorrow. Muscle or fat?

In my case, snot  ::-).

You took your time getting the PBP lurgy.

I've got MFP set to a calorie surplus. It's hard going. Last night I had a midnight feast of oatcakes with cheese. Still not there. Then I had some Greek yoghurt, some nuts and some cherry juice. Just about managed it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 September, 2015, 11:34:12 am
My weight is up.
My food intake has been modest and I seem no fatter.
I'll blame last night's salty soup.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 September, 2015, 11:53:18 am
I was up 0.7kg yesterday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 23 September, 2015, 11:55:31 pm
So far so good. I appear to be losing weight (about 3kg in a month). A mixture of trying to eat more sensibly (fewer helpings of carbs, less snacking between meals, cutting down on sugary foods, more vegetables), only eating when I'm hungry, and recently started 5:2 intermittent fasting again.

Hopefully I can keep this up as the weather starts to get colder: always a challenge!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 September, 2015, 12:06:36 am
I have been very impressed by your progress, crowriver. Well done!

Rapid progress sometimes drops off but slow progress is still progress so don't get disheartened if you 'plateau'...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 24 September, 2015, 01:07:07 am
first time I've weighed myself in a fair while. Brand new set of scales Screamed at me until I got off again!
129.6kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 24 September, 2015, 07:50:46 am
Belt on its 34” hole got tight last week. Did a 100 miler last Saturday, 40 mile club ride on Sunday and commute to work each day this week 20 miles per day.
1750 kCals per day and belt is easier to fasten this morning. Not lost enough though, so one more week should do the trick to get back on the 33” hole.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 24 September, 2015, 09:31:36 am
I have been very impressed by your progress, crowriver. Well done!

Rapid progress sometimes drops off but slow progress is still progress so don't get disheartened if you 'plateau'...

Thanks!  :D

Plateau was reached the last two weeks on the "sensible eating" strategy, so started 5:2 fasting again, lost a kilo. Some of that may just be water, but we shall see in the coming weeks...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 24 September, 2015, 07:49:59 pm
Back from my ride today

61.6 kgs

lowest for a while  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 October, 2015, 12:52:16 pm
My weight is the same as bikey-mikey 61.6kg.

For me this does not represent a loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: StevieB on 02 October, 2015, 01:10:19 am
Shocking! 230 pages - that is way too obsessive!

From now on I don't want to see any reports from people in the 7xkg category - that is a perfectly healthy weight, and you know it. So stop weighing yourself, restrain your  :smug:ness, move along and find something else to obsess over.

Those in the 6xkg group need to frequent their local chippy/Chinese/McD/kebab shop more often (but not if its windy outside) and stock up on chocolates and crisps. (You can do it if you try!)

Dr. Steve.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 October, 2015, 01:20:35 am
I disagree.
This thread has been running for all 7½ years of the forum's existence and has averaged two posts per day, in a forum with over 4000 members.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 02 October, 2015, 07:25:58 am
....but it would be good if it could only lose a bit and get down to, say, 200 pages.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bobby on 02 October, 2015, 08:44:38 am
22nd Aug, weighed myself and was shocked to have hit 76.2kg/12st.

I've been eating more sensibly since then, and have a more regular riding habit.  2nd Oct and I'm down to 71.5kg - by mid Nov I hope to have lost my entire audax bike weight and be down to around 66kg/10.5 st
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 October, 2015, 01:02:12 pm
Well done bobby! I don't think it's 'excessive' or 'obsessional' to support others.
I don't see how we could 'slim down' this thread without cutting the number of days in a year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: StevieB on 02 October, 2015, 08:13:46 pm
Nothing wrong with supporting others - I myself strayed into H&F in search of advice...

So apologies if my comments came across as mocking.

Weight is an important factor in how we feel and perform, etc. But I see it as an output, with several contributing factors as inputs, which have other factors contributing to them. So, in my ignorance, I imagine we focus on weight as we can easily measure it; whereas the underlying factors, which might be stress or boredom, or cultural norms, are harder to get at and address.

Which might explain why dieting does not work for everyone. It is a bit like balancing your bank account by not paying some bills - makes the numbers look right in the short term but does not solve the issue.

I do know in the rare moments I have felt fit, healthy and generally 'good,' I have not had to worry about my weight - it took care of itself.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 October, 2015, 08:22:53 pm
Whereas my weight was just too much when I was 'fit'.

Now I am not 'fit', I can afford to eat sensibly, at sensible intervals and tolerate being  a bit peckish or occasionally quite hungry MUCH better than when I had a stressful job and cycled an average of 200 miles per week.

It's hardly surprising that I would 'cram in the calories when I can' in those days but my behaviour has changed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 02 October, 2015, 09:32:34 pm
I do know in the rare moments I have felt fit, healthy and generally 'good,' I have not had to worry about my weight - it took care of itself.

Yeah, that rings pretty true. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 October, 2015, 12:58:23 am
So I've been eating more calories* than burned since PBP. Quite deliberately.

I've gained 3kg weight. I'm officially the heaviest I've ever been.

Now to reverse it. I aim to be back at post PBP weight or lower by Christmas.

Party season starts on Saturday. Bah.

* In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 October, 2015, 01:21:16 pm
I have not weighed myself for a while.
My balance is crap and I find it difficult to get a stable reading.
I have been on holiday in Majorca.
I have huge cankles.
I expect to weigh 61kg when I finally run out of excuses and teeter on The Machine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chinaski on 15 October, 2015, 10:45:58 pm
* In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

http://sigmanutrition.com/episode89/

Thermodynamics is a rough tool for a very complicated biological system

Some good links at bottom to
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 October, 2015, 10:49:46 pm
Gravity's pretty crude too but I've not encountered anything that defies it...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 15 October, 2015, 11:31:43 pm
* In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

http://sigmanutrition.com/episode89/

Thermodynamics is a rough tool for a very complicated biological system

Some good links at bottom to

https://vimeo.com/68401939

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 21 October, 2015, 11:48:48 am
Well progressive weight loss continues, though more slowly over the past month or so than previously. Perhaps the BMR slowing as simonp suggests?

Just over 4kg shed towards my target weight. I have another 9-10 weeks to shed the remaining 2.3kg. Whether I will achieve this at the current rate I don't know, but I'll keep going. Xmas festivities and boozing will arrive during this period, so that will be another challenge!

Fully intend to carry on in the new year however. Ultimate target is to achieve somewhere around 72kg by the spring, the better to gain power to weight advantages when riding the bike...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 21 October, 2015, 11:54:49 am
Over 9kg down on my weight on 1st September when I rebooted my diet and got back on MFP. Down below Nelson for the first time I can remember :)

Now to keep this up when the weather turns bad :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 21 October, 2015, 11:55:37 am
simonp do you think you'll have time for a graphical update this week?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 October, 2015, 12:29:43 pm
simonp do you think you'll have time for a graphical update this week?

Yes, thanks for the reminder, I haven't got round to it for a while. It only takes seconds, but I have to remember when I'm using my laptop. I'll try to remember tonight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 21 October, 2015, 12:34:28 pm
Thank you, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 October, 2015, 07:43:23 pm
Thank you, much appreciated.

Done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 October, 2015, 09:01:31 pm
Thank you, much appreciated.

You certainly seem to be making rapid, downward progress; well done!

Looks like you're putting a LOT of effort into lightening the tandem!

Your progress certainly looks excellent on the graph.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 21 October, 2015, 10:29:50 pm
It's not that rapid, but it has been gratifyingly consistent.

Moar cheese less caik ftw.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 October, 2015, 10:40:25 pm
fboab, your recent progress looks very good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 October, 2015, 10:54:25 pm
It's not that rapid, but it has been gratifyingly consistent.

Moar cheese less caik ftw.

Seems pretty rapid to me - and consistent.
You have lost more weight this year than I have since 2012...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 October, 2015, 10:55:47 pm
I’ve gained 10kg in the last 4 years.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 October, 2015, 11:07:54 pm
My weight is realistically near static.

Whether any more loss is either possible or desirable is moot. I'd like to be 57kg but I like my 'treats' a bit too much.

Realistically, maintaining a BMI below 23 seems OK for an immobile menopausal woman.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 22 October, 2015, 07:21:42 am
Thank you, much appreciated.

You certainly seem to be making rapid, downward progress; well done!

Looks like you're putting a LOT of effort into lightening the tandem!

Your progress certainly looks excellent on the graph.

If my doctor said that to me, I'd get really depressed.  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 22 October, 2015, 07:25:52 am
I’ve gained 10kg in the last 4 years.  ;D

We'll let you grin if your FTP has risen by more than 60 Watts,,,  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 22 October, 2015, 09:18:40 am
Fboab has been pretty focussed since July. Unlike me  ::-). She easily outclimbs me now, when we're on solos.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 October, 2015, 09:58:11 am
Fboab has been pretty focussed since July. Unlike me  ::-). She easily outclimbs me now, when we're on solos.
Exhibit A:
 ;D
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/exhibit%20A_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 28 October, 2015, 09:03:24 am
Weight down another 600g to 76.6kg this week (actually happened late last week but I managed to keep it off). Still going for the target of 75kg, which on current progress may be reached early. If so, I shall consider lowering the target weight for year end to 74kg. Got to keep the momentum going.

The new year will hit sooner than we think. Ultimate target will be to get back down to around 72kg and to try and stay there. If I get there, I'll with to 6:1 "weight maintenance" intermittent fasting. Will also try not to "comfort eat" too much.....that (and booze) was largely the cause of my weight gain over the past year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 November, 2015, 09:42:47 am
Laptop death means no graph updates in the immediate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 05 November, 2015, 09:50:13 am
Good.
Had  a dreadful week last week and the 'tradition' of providing cakes for work on your birthday means this week is no better.
Back to back 200s at the weekend should help me get back on track for next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 05 November, 2015, 10:10:19 am
Back on the Wagon after a gradual rise during the year topped off with 10 days on the boat resulting in a peak of 18st 5lbs on Monday morning.
18st 2 1/4 this morning despite a bit of a blowout last night due to a mate's wife (who is a caterer) showing up with the lunch from a cancelled shoot.....
Cheese is MoratCrack.

Anyway, call it 115.2 Kg. Initital target is 110Kg so I can buy a shiny set of Hunt wheels and final destination should be anything under 17st (108Kg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 05 November, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
Well despite having bad weekends I finally got around to being 78kg, its nice being below 80kg. 

However a large part of my discipline is because I fill in the fitness pal thing every day and I think I would really struggle without it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 November, 2015, 01:27:01 pm
I have not weighed myself for ages.
I was too wobbly to try today and it's difficult getting morning weights.
My cankles are HUGE in the evenings.

There's quite a lot of tummy space in my size 12 trousers.

My hip measurements are no greater.

I am no fatter than I have been most of the year.
I am probably no thinner either but I don't know.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 05 November, 2015, 01:31:55 pm
For me the weighing myself is a method of control. I probably do it because I feel it gives me control over at least one part of my life.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 November, 2015, 01:40:04 pm
I would weigh myself if I could balance easily on the scales and not disturb David.
I can't, so resort to the tape measure...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 November, 2015, 11:57:36 pm
No graphs this week either. Resumption likely next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 November, 2015, 04:56:00 pm
I stepped on the scales last night, in a big T-shirt and socks. I weighed 62.0kg.
I'm sure I'd be much lighter nude in the morning but can't weigh myself then.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 December, 2015, 08:15:34 am
The graphs make their return.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 02 December, 2015, 10:19:59 am
Weighed myself this morning....109.9kg, down from 127.7kg on the 8th Sept. Quite pleased with that but I would like to lose 2kg more by Christmas so I can start the New Year as 16 stone something.  :thumbsup:

I can't actually remember the last time I was less than 110kg....it might have been back in 1988? I think I was about 105kg when I first started to date CBH. I think I must have "let myself go" shortly thereafter.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 02 December, 2015, 11:36:13 am
Congratulations.

I'm the lightest I've been for a good few years, but it looks like you are about to pass me in the next week or two :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2015, 03:09:58 am
Seem to be getting leaner again. Not sure why. Not losing weight. 32" jeans very tight around thighs. Maybe the rowing training.

Would like to get down to sub 75kg again so can be lightweight on concept 2 logbook.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 December, 2015, 12:27:22 pm
The graphs make their return.

Please Sir,
if crowriver carries on losing weight so successfully as he has done recently (and well done, I am most favourably impressed!) his curve and mine might collide.

We are both on pink circles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2015, 12:49:57 pm
The graphs make their return.

Please Sir,
if crowriver carries on losing weight so successfully as he has done recently (and well done, I am most favourably impressed!) his curve and mine might collide.

We are both on pink circles.

I think the latest version of pngcairo or gnuplot has changed the point styles. If you look closely you'll notice you are circles and crowriver has hexagons. They do look very similar.

I can probably experiment with different points styles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 12 December, 2015, 03:52:49 pm
My midway target has been achieved, the thin bloke rather than fat git salopettes fit for skiing next week  ;D

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2015, 06:04:46 pm
The graphs make their return.

Please Sir,
if crowriver carries on losing weight so successfully as he has done recently (and well done, I am most favourably impressed!) his curve and mine might collide.

We are both on pink circles.

I think the latest version of pngcairo or gnuplot has changed the point styles. If you look closely you'll notice you are circles and crowriver has hexagons. They do look very similar.

I can probably experiment with different points styles.

Point styles have been revised to avoid using certain types which are too similar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2015, 08:57:17 pm
Made some further adjustments - I think it's clearer now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 December, 2015, 12:24:42 am
Thanks!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 December, 2015, 12:35:06 am
The graphs make their return.
We are both on pink circles.
I think the latest version of pngcairo or gnuplot has changed the point styles. If you look closely you'll notice you are circles and crowriver has hexagons. They do look very similar.
I can probably experiment with different points styles.

I hadn't noticed crowriver's were hexagons!

I'm myopic and presbyopic on a small laptop, sorry!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 December, 2015, 01:05:49 am
I lied. They were actually pentagons. Now only squares, circles and triangles are used.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 13 December, 2015, 10:42:44 pm
I dip in and out of this thread usually, as is the case now, to report progress.
October 28th- 75.5 kg
December 13th- 71.6kg.

Distance cycled in November/December:- 53 miles/7 miles.

What's happened is that I started a new job as a home delivery driver for one of the major supermarkets.
Suddenly I'm doing a lot of lifting, carrying, jumping in and out of cabs and, when I'm working in the store, walking up and down towing pallets of shopping.
It's very hard work for a previously desk/car jockey but I'm amazed and delighted about how I've/my body has adapted:- minor aches and pains but nothing major and, for a wimpy 50+ year old, that's something I'm very grateful for.
It makes my desired weight of 70kg seem within reach even though I'm eating quite a lot ATM. It's healthy stuff when it's under my control.
I have to have "emergency" rations with me when I'm out doing deliveries (bananas are a particular saviour) but I'm struggling to find "ready to eat" high protein/low(ish) fat/low salt stuff from the (literal) shop floor when I'm back at base. I don't want to eat much meat and even the "quick" meat stuff is high in salt (or it's brought in from Thailand  :o) but the, mostly Quorn, veggie, alternatives are very, very salty.
I take hard boiled eggs in when I can plan ahead but I'd like suggestions for fill-in stuff if I decide to work an extra shift. I can get sandwiches from the staff canteen vending machines but I'd rather have something more nutricious.

FWIW, I met up with CathG (notOTP) this morning and one of the first things she said to me was that I seemed leaner. My belly is certainly flatter and the saddle-bags have reduced. Sadly, I don't appear to have developed bulging biceps.

Still, mustn't grumble.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 14 December, 2015, 11:07:47 pm
The graphs make their return.

Please Sir,
if crowriver carries on losing weight so successfully as he has done recently (and well done, I am most favourably impressed!) his curve and mine might collide.

We are both on pink circles.

Shucks, thanks for the kind words.

It's just the old 5:2 intermittent fasting shuffle, plus maybe eating a bit more sensibly on the "full fat" days, plus loads of DIY helping to burn calories...

But aye it gets a tad confusing at times... :-) Still great to see the graph though, I'm not complaining...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 December, 2015, 11:27:35 pm
We got different hollow shapes now.

Even if I'm not losing much weight, I seem to be bumping around the bottom of the graphs, which might have to do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 December, 2015, 07:32:07 pm
Well done crowriver for reaching your target!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 18 December, 2015, 12:27:22 am
Thanks!

Onwards and downwards (weight wise) I hope! I can still "pinch more than an inch" on my tummy so time to revise the target to a lower weight for the next few months methinks.

Good luck to you and everyone else in the battle of the bulges...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 23 December, 2015, 05:05:01 pm
Sigh.
It looks as if I will finish 2015 heavier than I started it, despite getting down to my lowest weight in about five years at one point.
Oh well, another year, another table...

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 23 December, 2015, 05:53:55 pm
Sigh.
It looks as if I will finish 2015 heavier than I started it, despite getting down to my lowest weight in about five years at one point.
Oh well, another year, another table...

Welcome to the club  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 December, 2015, 06:22:03 pm
Same weight as I started the year. Not quite as lean as in the summer. Fitter than 12 months ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 December, 2015, 06:39:18 pm
I will have finished each of the last four years lighter than I have started. Sort of...

I 'gained' nearly 2kg by getting new SHINY digital scales last Christmas, which I've used all year.

My hip circumference is down so I can kid myself I am less fat.

I'll try to persuade partner to weigh me on the old scales sometime this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 24 December, 2015, 09:49:09 am
well 1 week to go and below target, was 98kg, target 90kg, now 89.9kg.  mind you with the upcoming food on offer this might take a hit.  next years target will be 85kg, and that will be a struggle.  This years target achieved  with the HFLC food regime, and topping 8000km . Really must get a job.Well done to all those who made a loss, and merry crimbletides to one and all, from Me, Blodwyn, Jess and Igor.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 26 December, 2015, 01:39:20 pm
Thanks, fboab, for setting up next year's tracker.
I have already signed up for the weight loss challenge at work (again  >:( ).
At least having to publicly record my weight each week means I can't ignore the situation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 26 December, 2015, 03:08:05 pm
Lost another kilo on Xmas Eve due to suspected food poisoning.  :sick:
Couldn't eat anything for over 24 hours. Still not quite 100%, had to postpone the usual feasting, drinking, etc.  :(

Bit of an extreme case, but certainly proof that calorie restriction is effective.  ;D
Looks like I may not bother with intermittent fasting next week as I'm going to have to be careful with my food intake over the next wee while.
Seems fairly likely I'll stay under my target weight for the year, possibly by several kilos. Currently 72.8kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 December, 2015, 03:44:47 pm
Most food poisoning weight loss is water and rapidly regained in recovery.
Total starvation will only result in the loss of the energy equivalent of 200-300 grams of fat in 24 hours.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 30 December, 2015, 08:25:32 am
Three pounds up on the year.
Ten pounds up from the minimum of the year.
Sigh.
But there is always next year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 December, 2015, 11:58:50 am
No weight change from start to finish of 2015.

3kg heavier than the week after PBP, which was my lightest this year. ~10kg heavier than the lightest weight I've recorded in these graphs.

Graphs updated for the last time in 2015.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 30 December, 2015, 12:31:27 pm
I did far better than I could have imagined. Passed my goal of 75kg a few weeks back, and now down to 72.8kg.

A bout of food poisoning over Xmas meant no need to stick to my fasting regime this week, as I went for a considerable time with no food whatsoever.

Looking ahead to 2016, my efforts will be about weight maintenance rather than further substantial loss, aiming to stay around 72kg and trying to lose what remains of the spare tyre around my midriff. So once I hit 72kg I'll shift to 5:1 fasting for weight maintenance purposes. Gradually I'll look to shifting to a healthier diet which might remove the need for any fasting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 30 December, 2015, 06:51:44 pm
Thanks to several stressors in 2015 (divorce, house move, ill parent, daughter left home, work crazy busy) I've managed to put on weight rather than lose it. I've ridden far less than I hoped to, and missed several goals that I'd set myself for the year.

2016 will be different, and will be for me and no-one else.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 30 December, 2015, 11:48:14 pm
While I missed my eoy goal, I have managed to get back into the right mindset and I am confident that I will achieve it soon.

The graphs tell their own story, especially the 4 & 6 year :( Far more time expanded than contracted and a sad inability to hold steady.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 31 December, 2015, 01:05:10 pm
Hello my names is Lou and I need to lose weight - again. 

I'm aiming for 21lbs although people keep telling me that not realistic - believe me I know what the bathroom scales say.

Can I join your thread please? 

I weigh in on a Saturday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 December, 2015, 01:05:44 pm
I have never achieved any weight loss target I set.
I didn't have a target in 2012 but lost a lot.
I've had modest targets for the last three years and failed to make them.

There again, I am immobile and can't exercise at all.
If I make my target, fine. If I don't, I hope I don't gain any weight this year.
I have not been overweight since some time in 2012.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JenM on 31 December, 2015, 02:06:30 pm
Quite pleased with my progress over the year, although has been slowed over the last 10 days of eating, illness and lack of exercise. My plan is to get back to it again tomorrow. Not to set targets but only to be a lot lighter than I was before Christmas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: IanDG on 31 December, 2015, 03:07:35 pm
I was 90.6kg at th start of 2015,  today the scales reading was 84kg  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 December, 2015, 03:38:57 pm
Well done windy!!!

Half a kilogram per month sounds minuscule...

...but it's 6kg at the end of the year.

(and 6.35kg = 1 stone, for those who prefer imperial units)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 31 December, 2015, 04:53:46 pm
Hello my names is Lou and I need to lose weight - again. 

I'm aiming for 21lbs although people keep telling me that not realistic - believe me I know what the bathroom scales say.

Can I join your thread please? 

I weigh in on a Saturday.
I used to weigh in on a Monday (fitted the rest of life rather better). I just posted on the following Wednesday and no-one seemed to mind.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 31 December, 2015, 04:56:21 pm
...and just ignore what other people tell you about your weight. People in general seem to think that an 'OK' weight is what the medics tell us is 'overweight'. I know that's true with me. We have a weight tracking group at work and various other members asked me why I was bothering. When I said I'm about a stone into the 'overweight' category they were rather shocked.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 31 December, 2015, 05:08:52 pm
Thanks. I'm at the upper end of a normal BMi but spent most of my life at the bottom end. I'm 5foot and take a size 2.5 shoe, so I should really be at the lower end.  I would like to be a weight that I'm comfortable with rather than what other people tell me I should be.  I think have a couple of weigh in a week will do me good.  I can had a tendency to weigh myself everyday - just to check - so weighing with ww and here will hopefully structure this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 31 December, 2015, 05:09:53 pm
I've put on about 15kg and 16cm round the waist since reaching my low point of 66kg/82cm in September 2013, and my BMI is back into the 'overweight' category. It's been a stressful two years since then, with difficult situations to cope with both at home and at work, and this has led to bad eating and drinking habits and a much reduced exercise regime.

I'm optimistic that much will improve in 2016 though, so I'm aiming to get back down to 70kg by September, when I shall be doing a LEJOG.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 31 December, 2015, 08:01:23 pm
I'm happy that three years off the bike have not send me balloooooooooning. My normal fighting weight is about 90-95Kg and now I just about clock 99kg. Yes upon returning from out wee pootle, I'm sure that I was closer to 86-88kg than I ever has been. So yes in one sense I have added a few Kg's, but not the 130Kg+ I once was.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 December, 2015, 08:25:10 pm
Lindor truffles are great for domestic 'Easter egg' hunts.
Hide them in pairs in various drawers and crannies.
David is usually still unearthing them at the Summer Solstice...

I discovered 2 chocolate coins in David's bedside desk tidy about 4 days ago.
I think they were leftovers from Christmas 2014 that I 'hid' for Easter 2015.

Astronomers are observant...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 January, 2016, 12:55:40 pm
No weight to declare today.
GN: I can now wear M&S size 14 trousers. I wore size 14 from M&S when I was 18.
BN: In 1976 a size 14 fitted a 26" waist and 38" hip.
In 2013 size 14 fits a 31" waist and 41" hip.
Vanity sizing FFS! That must represent 6kg fat!

As it's New Year's Day, I am reviewing some old posts.

I am wearing those trousers today; they are MUCH too big! They would fall down if I stood up with stuffs in the pockets. The waistband is about 6 inches too big...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 January, 2016, 03:30:56 pm
They also demonstrate how pointless our struggles are. Not one of us has lost and kept off any weight of significance.

I did not enter my weight into the tables for 2012, which I started at 74kg (though I did state on posts that was my weight at the time).
I started 2013 at 66kg and am approximately 63kg now.

That is significant for me.

This one has...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 January, 2016, 11:38:54 pm
Seem to have dropped a kilo over the past fortnight.
Used a tape measure for the first time in aeons last night.
40-32-44
The XL yacf T-shirt that's on its way may not be big enough but I really aren't a giant!

More work needed!

I'm looking back on 2012. (David always says I'm living in the past.)

My hips and waist are down 4 inches and I'm 12kg less than January 2012.

Slow progress is NOT no progress!

I've not measured my bust but waist is now 27.5 (70cm) and hips are now 38.5 (98cm)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 January, 2016, 12:28:43 am
Since dieting is basically a failed way to lose weight over the long term I'd be interested in seeing if our numbers back that up.
This thread has been running since 2008.Would any of you, who have been trying to lose weight in this period, care to post:
1) Start Weight
2) Year
3) Current Weight.
Good luck with your own plans everyone, I know how tough (impossible?) it can be. 
Just be reminded that your brain is doing every single thing it can to stop you from losing weight.
Start Weight:  74kg (11st 9lb)   January 2012
                     66.5kg               January 2013
                     63.5 kg              January 2014
                     61.0 kg              December 2014   
                                NEW SCALES
                     62.7kg               January 2015
                     61.3kg               January 2016

So there has been little recorded weight loss last year but my bum is still shrinking.
This not failure; it is slow progress.

Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 02 January, 2016, 11:56:18 am
Well done, helly, you're an example to us all. You're probably at the point where further drastic weight loss would be unhealthy, so I guess the hard part for you now is maintaining current weight.

Weight on 1st Jan:
2010 - 89kg
2011 - 79kg
2012 - 75kg
2013 - 70kg
2014 - 71kg
2015 - 73kg
2016 - 80kg

2010 was the year I realised I really needed to do something about my weight and general health. I have never 'dieted' as such, but aimed to be more careful about quantity and quality. I also got into a good exercise regime. By summer 2013, I was the fittest I've ever been as an adult (since my early 20s at least).

2014 and 2015 weren't good years for my health, and the numbers reflect that. A lot of that is down to external factors affecting my personal circumstances but that just goes to show how hard it is to maintain the high level of self-discipline needed to keep fit and slim. I was briefly down to 66kg but that was hard work. Getting back to (and maintaining) around 70kg would be a sensible goal for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 02 January, 2016, 11:37:59 pm
After a very ropy year for my health, I really really need to get serious about this again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2016, 12:27:13 am
I think I am fatter than I have ever been, and I have always been a fat git, right from primary school. I have had a few spells in the intervening half-century when I have not been overweight, but they have been few and far between, most notably when I lost 3 stone in 3 weeks when I contracted mumps as a 29-year-old. When I returned to teaching after those 3 weeks of absence the kids gave me a new epithet: "Skinny".

It is now at the serious stage in which I have to consider one stark fact: a 61-year-old morbidly obese bloke is doing his chances of reaching 70 no good at all.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 January, 2016, 01:13:35 pm
Good luck Wow!

I am not really fighting the same sort of battle, I suppose. I was thin till my late teens and heavy, though not huge - about 11 stone/70kg for the next 35 years.

'We're all in it together' says she, about to spend three nights at a Premier Inn...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 03 January, 2016, 01:47:31 pm
It is now at the serious stage in which I have to consider one stark fact: a 61-year-old morbidly obese bloke is doing his chances of reaching 70 no good at all.

This. I'm not morbidly obese - but 92kg at 174cm is well into obese. My problem is that for most of my life I've been both fairly slim and pretty fit as a function of military life. Airline life is perforce sedentary and has access to great food in ridiculous quantities, both in the air and on the ground. Yet my inbuilt body-image is still of a slim, young man. I ignore mirrors - I don't avoid them, I just don't recognise the image as me! But the scales don't lie, and nor do the clothes. I used to be regarded as fairly attractive, but now I'm a fat, old git. The old git I can't do anything about (and I'm not really a git!), bit the 'fat' bit I can change. I won't ever be the lady-bait I once was, at least in my own imagination, but I would like to look at the numbers and not shudder.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 03 January, 2016, 09:59:12 pm
I think I am fatter than I have ever been, and I have always been a fat git, right from primary school. I have had a few spells in the intervening half-century when I have not been overweight, but they have been few and far between, most notably when I lost 3 stone in 3 weeks when I contracted mumps as a 29-year-old. When I returned to teaching after those 3 weeks of absence the kids gave me a new epithet: "Skinny".

It is now at the serious stage in which I have to consider one stark fact: a 61-year-old morbidly obese bloke is doing his chances of reaching 70 no good at all.

You may look at the see-saw that is me and my weight and wonder who am I to lecture, but here goes anyhow.

I used to use a line in jest: "I come from a long line of fat gits, my dad was a fat git and his dad before him". Which, in itself stands true, but is a singularly unhelpful self image. Over the years it became less and less funny, as the weight crept upwards. Dieting was not helping me at all. I finally came up with a strategy, a version of what I used when I went from being an 80 a day smoker to a non-smoker. It still helps me to lose weight easily. What I did was to change that visualisation, and stop thinking of myself as a fat git, regardless of the physical evidence. Instead I think of myself as a thin person, doing and eating what thin people do. I find it very powerful indeed, there is no need to calorie count, no need to abstain from any food/s (this system works very well with Paul McKenna's "I can make you thin"). As it happens, I do abstain from alcohol most times, because I find that weakens my resolution such that it all goes to pot, but I still have a drink now and then.

Don't know if it would help you, but happy to chat if it would help.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris N on 04 January, 2016, 01:25:56 pm
I need to lose some weight. :(  I've got a pair of jeans somewhere that I never want to have to wear again - a 38" waist, bought when I finished uni fifteen years ago (too much beer, not enough exercise). Done it before, mostly just by riding my bike lots and got down to 75kg or thereabouts with a 32" waist (I'm 5' 11").  My jeans are getting a bit tight now, after 3 years of relative inactivity - though I haven't weighed myself.

I think we eat pretty healthily so no major changes to diet except for no more sugar in coffee, drink more water, less alcohol and no more late-night snacking.  More importantly, more bike riding - at least 2 commutes (40 mile round trip) per week, and one other ride per week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 04 January, 2016, 07:05:16 pm
Reached 87kg before Christmas, for the first time in my life, courtesy of insane workload and consequent comfort eating.  Noticed it up the hills on my pre-Christmas ride.  Was careful over Christmas and weighed in at 86.5kg on January 1st, so am aiming for a snack free January to see if I can gradually shed the excess.  Only need to get down to 82kg but failed to reach this at all last year, even after PBP.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 January, 2016, 09:40:30 pm
I won't be weighing myself this week.
I am dining on the South Coast, visiting partner's parent.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 January, 2016, 02:02:30 am
Got new ACB jerseys, large size. Fits well. Bah.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 05 January, 2016, 12:38:25 pm
The lightest I've been since this thread began was 69kg (back when alternate day fasting was all the rage), the heaviest was 83kg, I'm now at 77kg and heading downwards slowly again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 05 January, 2016, 05:21:18 pm
Started the new year (well today when I weighed myself for the first time this week) at my lowest weight in around 25 years at 104.8kg. That's down from the 127.8kg I was on the 24th September last when I started on my gastric band plus diet effort.

My hope for the year is to get down to 80Kg.... I think I was last that weight when I lived in South Woodford back in 1980... and then I felt so fat I used to go to Weight Watchers!

So basically....sorry about the poor English... I am around half way to my overall target. Whilst having the gastric band fitted does help, it still takes will power and the effort to stay away from snacks and stuff you know you shouldn't eat....like peanut butter and mayo....sob.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 06 January, 2016, 11:06:17 am
new year. new effort. I lost 6 kg  in tge eatlyish part of last year and then as a result of a lack of willpower and a lack of cycle commuting (but still eating as if I were cycling regularly) I regained it plus a bit more. I know BMI is a bit rubbish but I'm slap bang in the the middle of overweight at 82kg and 169.5 cm.
So I've started the new year with no booze (an easyish calorie win) and trying to eat better food and smaller portions and no naughty snacking. And more cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 06 January, 2016, 04:25:59 pm
Whilst having the gastric band fitted does help, it still takes will power and the effort to stay away from snacks and stuff you know you shouldn't eat....like peanut butter and mayo....sob.
I eat peanut butter and mayo while losing weight.

It's really not the fat, it's the sugar that lards you up

So I've started the new year with no booze (an easyish calorie win)
I wish. Not being a drinker it makes absolutely no difference to me. Mr Smith always loses loads in January by bypassing the wine aisle. To get the same results I have to bypass the whole goddam shop.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 January, 2016, 06:31:04 pm
Greetings from Christchurch, Dorset!
This pub/Premier Inn place is rather obesogenic for anyone without a Will of Steel. I chose one bowl of porridge, a small pastry and coffee for my £6.99 Continental Breakfast.
I am the sort to subsidise the Teethgrinders of the world.

I really wish I could just order my evening meal from the kids' menu; both the portion sizes and the dishes on offer seemed much more suited to my desires!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 06 January, 2016, 06:38:13 pm
I really wish I could just order my evening meal from the kids' menu; both the portion sizes and the dishes on offer seemed much more suited to my desires!

You could always ask.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 January, 2016, 06:45:01 pm
I could ask but the small print on the kids' menu is quite age-specific.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 06 January, 2016, 06:57:00 pm
I started the new year very poorly and on high dose steroids- so I am officially not going to weigh myself yet. On second thoughts- maybe I should so I can get a nice high point to start from  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 January, 2016, 07:00:08 pm
Get Well Soon Feline!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 06 January, 2016, 07:08:51 pm
The scales are broken anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 06 January, 2016, 07:17:31 pm
I popped onto the scales last week and had a reality check.

I have set myself some targets and put a plan of action in place.   One of my items on the plan is to take exercise for at least one hour each day.  At the moment that exercise is in the form of cycle rides or walking and I cannot split the hour.   If I do two things one must be for at least an hour.

I'm looking at the dietary intake as well and the alcohol has been dropped.   It's proving more difficult to resist chocolate just now.    :(    I need work, lots of paying work to distract me.   Anybody need a divorce, child contact arrangements or even a Will?   :D 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 06 January, 2016, 07:42:17 pm
I got on the scales yesterday for a quick sneaky peak and thought I'd miraculously lost 9lbs in 5 days, it turned out that my scales had broken in the last few days.  I have now got a new set but they weigh more heavy than the others. Hey ho.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 06 January, 2016, 07:44:07 pm
Hovering around the 73kg mark just now, once this slight cold has faded away I probably need to start intermittent fasting again to not only prevent weight gain, but hopefully get to target weight of 72kg with a month or two. The trick then will be to keep at that weight while improving fitness. The latter has suffered significantly due to illness over the festive period.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 06 January, 2016, 09:27:15 pm
Lost over 2.5kg in the first week of the year! I know I have regular flutters in weight (Diabetes Insipidus) but that seems like a pretty good start to me, even taking that into account.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 07 January, 2016, 02:28:46 pm
<whistles innocently>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QocTNdMSAww
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 08 January, 2016, 10:04:21 am
That BBC show, Trust me I'm a Dr, investigated whether or not you burnt more fat doing fasted exercise. They found that fasted exercise worked for men, but not women*. They were better at burning fat after eating.

I wasn't really paying attention, so watch on iPlayer for exact details
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 January, 2016, 01:24:25 pm
I have a new weight-loss technique that I am trying. It is saying to myself when there's food about "If Steve Abraham can get out on his bike at stupid o'clock when it's pissing down with rain and blowing a hoolie, then you can avoid that bit of cake*, you fat git!" So far it is working.

*Other inappropriate foodstuffs are available.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: runsoncake on 08 January, 2016, 05:21:16 pm
Happy New Year all.

I think I may be getting an early helping hand, re - shrinking, from my GP. She has fiddled my blood pressure meds as a New Year treat. I was on amlodipine but they were causing my ankles to swell during the day, so I've been put on indapamide (a water tablet). So just maybe, just maybe I'll be flushing a few excess pounds away early on.

Weeee! (IGMC)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 08 January, 2016, 08:22:02 pm
First time on the scales for ages - weight is up at 76kg at the mo'. I had been trying to up my protein intake, and combined with steroids, I'm heavier than I've felt in ages. This, despite having given up alcohol 7 months ago. It appears that no matter how much I cycle, I need to remain careful about how much I eat.

I'd like to be back down to 70kg by the 4th week in April. Will be tough.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 January, 2016, 09:48:20 pm
I do not seem to have gained weight despite a three day stay at a Premier Inn, which is OK.

Now back to the Healthy Habits.

It's good to see I might have some lightweight girlie company this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 09 January, 2016, 03:59:14 pm
I did my wiefpghtwatchers weigh in today, despite having consumed a Little Dessert Shop waffle upon Thursday which was 30 points, I lost 3.5lbs in the first 8 days of the diet.  :-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 January, 2016, 05:22:41 pm
Well done lou!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 09 January, 2016, 05:45:50 pm
Thank you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 12 January, 2016, 11:08:19 am
I've weighed in a day early as I'm en route to Reykjavik and weighed in yet another set of scales. The new scales I borrowed from my mother have now stopped working so I've bought another set. So all I can say is that I've lost approximately 5.2lbs since 1st Jan give it take the weigh variance of the scales.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2016, 11:13:16 am
That's a lot for a birthday girl!
Spose it's early days.
Look after yourself and have a good trip!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 January, 2016, 11:26:16 am
I have been out buying immature compost for lunch.  ;)

Today I am going to try chicory with my smoked salmon, tomatoes and pepper. I have made a "rustic French" loaf. This starts off as 400g of flour, the same as a small wholemeal, but when baked occupies about twice the volume. The recipe excludes sugar and milk powder and it takes an extra hour to prove on double the yeast content, so presumably a lot more of the starch is digested by the yeast.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 12 January, 2016, 11:30:36 am
That's a lot for a birthday girl!
Spose it's early days.
Look after yourself and have a good trip!

Thank you.  Despite eating a fair bit of cake yesterday I remained within my weight watchers points.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: epa611 on 12 January, 2016, 02:01:47 pm
The wife and I are doing the no sugar thing for January.  Its not that difficlut, but by gosh, there is added sugar in a LOT of things  :o

We've made our own bread now without added sugar and eat meat/pot/veg dishes with no sugar either.  We'd  bought another freezer, so are making large quantities of suitable meals and freezing them.

Feeling much better for is so far and lost 3Kg last week - yes I am a fat git and need to lose a lot more.  The wife who is a bit more svelte lost 1Kg.

We'll keep going with it  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2016, 02:15:03 pm
No sugar is easiest if you just avoid anything that's not just one ingredient in a package, obviously.

If you assume all manufactured food contains added sugar, you won't be very far wrong and can be pleasantly surprised by the exceptions.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 January, 2016, 02:53:45 pm
No Sugar, No Grains, No Booze  :thumbsup:.

I'd forgotten how inconvenient, yet convenient, this way of eating is. Inconvenient because eating out can be a right PITA; Costa for example - they ONLY sell carbohydrate (ok, and tea & coffee, but they ain't lunch). Convenient because actually, eating out doesn't matter so much when you only need to eat once a day.

Currently doing daily 16/8 fasts (no breakfast - that solves that one), with one meal either at lunchtime, or evening - depending on life and hunger.

I've just had a post work-out three egg bacon cheese and spinach omelette (doctored so as not to trigger my egg-allergy) and I'm stuffed. I won't need to eat again until tomorrow lunchtime!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 13 January, 2016, 11:18:08 am
Couldn't quite believe the scales this morning showing I've lost 2.4kg in a week.

Only just started intermittent fasting yesterday, after a week with miserable cold that took some shifting where I did not really diet at all: quite the opposite. Very little exercise too. I can't explain the weight loss. I've now overshot my target weight by some margin, though still have a 'spare tyre' around my midriff that I need to lose.

My instinct tells me I need to exercise more to burn that excess fat off and convert to muscle. What to do about the fasting though? I don't need to lose any more weight so will probably just do 5:1 for weight maintenance.

Now that the weather's a bit drier I ought to get out on the bike a bit more I suppose...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 January, 2016, 11:40:16 am
A prime example of Real LifeTM

Let's just say that 5 visits to the loo in the night don't make my resolve to stay away from the biscuits terribly firm, and not being able to do any classes at the gym because 45 minutes is longer than my between-visits time hasn't really done wonders for my weight.
FFS.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 13 January, 2016, 11:41:56 am
I was listening to a personal training podcast where some personal trainer to the stars said that before he even takes on a client, he tells them to halve the amount they eat, and double the amount of water they drink, and to do that for a month before he takes them on as a client, so thought if it's good enough for Hollywood, it's good enough for me. So basically I help myself to my normal portion at a meal, divide it in 2, eat half, and put the rest in the fridge for tomorrow. It seems to be working. 

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 13 January, 2016, 12:20:43 pm
Do they halve there food portion volumetrically, gravimetrically or calorifically?

An iceburg lettuce is quarter the cals of a Greggs sausage roll and four times as large.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 January, 2016, 12:31:14 pm
Portion control is for foods that exceed ½ kcal/gram IMO.

Calories will look after themselves for many vegetables and salads. The limiting factor for a cucumber portion is how much you can eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 January, 2016, 05:37:25 pm
I have been taking the advice of the lovely Peli OTP and increasing my veg intake at the expense of bread. My lunch has been consisting of raw carrot, some pepper, a few plum tomatoes, some leaves (this week it's chicory) a bit of smoked salmon and a solitary slice of bread. I haven't been getting hungry and have been gradually shrinking. This is combined with a cake/beer embargo unless in a social situation.

I can't say I'm that keen on raw carrot and various leaves but I think it's got to be done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 January, 2016, 06:29:20 pm
We are at least partly on similar: lots of leaves and salads, whilst restricting bread and starches.
It will happen...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 13 January, 2016, 06:47:02 pm
I can't say I'm that keen on raw carrot and various leaves but I think it's got to be done.
When I did Weight Watchers (some long time ago, back in the days of C+) I started to eat far more salads. In the beginning it was just a desperation measure to fill me up at lunchtime, but I now enjoy it and really miss it if I don't have a fair chunk of raw veg at lunchtime.

I would probably draw the line at carrots though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 January, 2016, 06:51:26 pm
I don't eat raw carrots much.
just capsicums, cucumber, cabbage and tomatoes...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 January, 2016, 09:55:30 pm
I'm not at all keen on cucumber. I eat it if it is presented to me when eating out, but wouldn't bother to buy any for myself.

I am not sure what to do about greenery though. I tried watercress last week and it was OK, until I realised it was imported from the USA. We've got the bloody stuff growing wild in the streams in our local park. I have seen someone harvesting it once, although I can't say I would like to eat it with any confidence. I wouldn't think it would take a lot for pollution to enter the plant's system. I could try spinach. I'm not at all keen on raw cabbage.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 14 January, 2016, 09:50:52 am
Now I'm back to weighing myself daily, I'm reminded how much the fluctuation of my weight is down to hydration/water linked to glycogen etc.
I also need to remember that when in a state of ketosis I should use the stalls rather than urinals as I don't want colleagues thinking I have fruity wee all the time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 14 January, 2016, 09:58:11 am
Now I'm back to weighing myself daily, I'm reminded how much the fluctuation of my weight is down to hydration/water linked to glycogen etc.
I also need to remember that when in a state of ketosis I should use the stalls rather than urinals as I don't want colleagues thinking I have fruity wee all the time.

Fruity wee and keto-breath go away once you adapt. The ketones are being expelled because you're not using them as energy - either because you aren't exercising or because your body's forgotten what to do with ketones. Your body will remember  ;).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 January, 2016, 10:13:57 am
I have just been to a swimming pool for the first time in about 10 years. I did 18 lengths of what I thought was a 33 metre pool only to find when I got home that it was only 25m. Bah and bugger! Mine was far from being the biggest belly on display, which is some consolation.

I think it's a bit pathetic that a large town like Southend doesn't have an olympic sized pool. This particular example was built in 2010 and replaced the old Warrior Square pool in the town centre, which was 33m.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 14 January, 2016, 08:54:44 pm
Am on day 4 of a week long 'eat buggerall' diet to try and kickstart my weightless for this year.  Someone suggested a diet based on grapefruit and eggs, so I'm giving that a go. I feel bloody awful but so far am down about 5kg.

As most (if not all) of what I've shed is water, I'm tempted to do a sweepstake on what % of my weight loss reappears.  I recon 80%.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 14 January, 2016, 09:01:32 pm
Hmm... grapefruit and eggs, eh?

That sounds supremely farty to me  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 14 January, 2016, 09:12:22 pm
Given we have 8 chickens and I'm partial to a grapefruit, my diet can get a bit like that on some days. My mission is to ensure we don't have an egg surplus.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on 14 January, 2016, 10:11:34 pm
Hmm... grapefruit and eggs, eh?

That sounds supremely farty to me  :thumbsup:

I hadnt thought about it till just then, but it's completely the opposite! No trumping at all (well, almost).

Todays menu was poached egg on toast for brekkie, big bowl of mixed fruit for lunch (incl. grapefruit, obv.) then 2 hard boiled eggs in a massive salad with a grapefruit for pud.

Not sure if I'm going to make it to sunday!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 January, 2016, 10:42:03 pm
Am on day 4 of a week long 'eat buggerall' diet to try and kickstart my weightless for this year. 

Joining Tim Peake???   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 16 January, 2016, 09:54:14 am
I'm back from a short break in Iceland. Although I tried very hard to stay within points (weight watchers) it's  never easy when you aren't doing the cooking yourself.  But having weighed in for my normal weight watchers weigh in I managed to loss a further 0.4lb while away despit no exercise and long periods of sitting on coaches. So this brings my total weight loss since Jan 1st to 5.6lb.  I suspect the weight loss will slow down now that my body is used to the new routine, but I hope to continue to lose 1lb a week for a little while. Only another 15.4 of the blighters to go now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2016, 10:33:01 am
Am on day 4 of a week long 'eat buggerall' diet to try and kickstart my weightless for this year. 

Joining Tim Peake???   ;) ;D

If I joined Tim Peake he would have to adjust to my own gravitational field.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 January, 2016, 01:00:48 pm
Am on day 4 of a week long 'eat buggerall' diet to try and kickstart my weightless for this year. 

Joining Tim Peake???   ;) ;D

If I joined Tim Peake he would have to adjust to my own gravitational field.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 16 January, 2016, 03:36:29 pm
Wow since crimbo I have lost 3kg, so now 96kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2016, 05:36:47 pm
Wow since crimbo I have lost 3kg, so now 96kg.

Lightweight! I've lost 6kg since 31/12/15!  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 January, 2016, 05:49:56 pm
Giving up snacks has so far reduced weight from 86.4kg to 86.0kg, but am hopeful that one my metabolism has got over the shock of not having regular sugar boosts during the day it will start picking up and reducing some of the surplus acquired through comfort eating in the autumn.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 16 January, 2016, 05:51:54 pm
I have just been to a swimming pool for the first time in about 10 years. I did 18 lengths of what I thought was a 33 metre pool only to find when I got home that it was only 25m. Bah and bugger! Mine was far from being the biggest belly on display, which is some consolation.

I think it's a bit pathetic that a large town like Southend doesn't have an olympic sized pool. This particular example was built in 2010 and replaced the old Warrior Square pool in the town centre, which was 33m.

A similar thing happened in Rugby and the 50m pool in Coventry is either already closed or due to close.   Cuts, cuts and more cuts...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 18 January, 2016, 09:42:04 am
I hit the cake and biscuits yesterday, after being pretty good for most of Jan so far. I think the problem with them, is the speed with which they're consumed with a cup of tea.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 20 January, 2016, 07:50:09 am
A loss is a loss, however small.
And after the particularly stupid day on Saturday I'm amazed I achieved even that...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 20 January, 2016, 11:50:44 am
Well I can wipe the smug grin off my face now.
Having failed to fast at all the past week, and comfort eating like it's the end of the world, I've unsurprisingly gained 1.3kg.

Back to square one for January.

Fasting day tomorrow and return to 5:2 until I'm well below 72kg.

 :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 January, 2016, 12:31:22 pm
I might be lighter.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 20 January, 2016, 09:52:54 pm
I might be lighter.  :)

Well done


As predicted my weight loss has now rapidly slowed down.  I in,y lost 0.4lb this week. :-(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 January, 2016, 10:04:11 pm
I might be lighter.  :)

Well done


As predicted my weight loss has now rapidly slowed down.  I in,y lost 0.4lb this week. :-(

You are still 5.6lb lighter than at the start of the year. That's ¼ of the way to your target. Not bad for less than three weeks into the year!
And you've been away.

Don't convert a temporary blip into a long-term failure.

In a fortnight's time, we'll be just over a month into the year.

Your weight at that time will give some idea of you real progress.

You are petite; both calories and fat go much further in little people.

You have to work very hard to make any headway and I appreciate this.

You're doing fine; keep going!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 January, 2016, 11:11:09 pm
Just the 1kg this week, but that'll do. I can feel that some of my clothes are looser than they were. I even cycled to Waitrose this morning before work in order to buy the necessary ingredients for lunch: tomatoes, salad onions, lettuce and nut/fruit mix.

I have cut down on bread, but not removed it from my diet all together. The Panasonic breadmaker recipe book has a "Rustic French" loaf in its arsenal. That takes exactly the same amount of flour as a wholemeal loaf (400g) but has no added sugar and an extra hour's proving time, in which I would imagine the yeast is converting carbohydrate to useable sugar. The finished loaf occupies about double the volume of the wholemeal (in reality half-and-half) loaf. The half+half has 200g wholemeal and 200g white flour, whereas the rustic French has 275g white, 75g wholemeal and 50g rye flour. I had two slices of that with smoked salmon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 January, 2016, 10:24:35 am
26 lengths of the swimming pool this morning in 31 minutes. I have brought a membership form home which will give me unlimited swimming for £23 a month, as opposed to £4.10 a visit. It's only a short distance to the pool so I will be able to potter out there every day if I feel like it.

I am now eating porridge.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 23 January, 2016, 11:34:09 am
I might be lighter.  :)

Well done


As predicted my weight loss has now rapidly slowed down.  I in,y lost 0.4lb this week. :-(



You are still 5.6lb lighter than at the start of the year. That's ¼ of the way to your target. Not bad for less than three weeks into the year!
And you've been away.

Don't convert a temporary blip into a long-term failure.

In a fortnight's time, we'll be just over a month into the year.

Your weight at that time will give some idea of you real progress.

You are petite; both calories and fat go much further in little people.

You have to work very hard to make any headway and I appreciate this.

You're doing fine; keep going!
Thank you. I've weighed in for weight watchers this morning and was worried. I'd had a sneaky peek at the scales yesterday morning and to my horror I seemed to have gained 1.2lbs. I wasn't going to weigh in but gritted my teeth and got on the scales to find that today I'd had a loss and I'm now -6.5 Lighter than the 1st Jan.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 January, 2016, 12:24:03 pm
Look at my personal graphs/figures.
They are all over the place in the short term.
At the end of the year, I'm lighter than the start.
That's what counts.
Persistence pays up.
The rest is all noise.

I hope you aren't losing weight too fast thou lou. nearly half a stone in three weeks is a lot on a little body that won't have the reservoirs some larger folk have.

Take care!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 23 January, 2016, 01:48:11 pm
Look at my personal graphs/figures.
They are all over the place in the short term.
At the end of the year, I'm lighter than the start.
That's what counts.
Persistence pays up.
The rest is all noise.

I hope you aren't losing weight too fast thou lou. nearly half a stone in three weeks is a lot on a little body that won't have the reservoirs some larger folk have.

Take care!

You're very right Helen and I know that the blips and plateaux are part of the process, it's momentarily disconcerting when they happen. I'm following a weight watchers programme and not skimping on any way. I don't have a lot of time to exercise as I'm looking after my mum, so although I do the required amount for the plan, it's often 5 mins of running up and down stairs or walking around the pool before I go to bed. My weight loss has slowed now and between last Saturday and this I on,y lost 0.8lb.  So I think this is a healthier rate of loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 January, 2016, 02:01:44 pm
Sounds fair.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 24 January, 2016, 07:51:21 am
It's four months today since I started the weight loss process including having a gastric band fitted on the 8th Oct last.

So, onto the scales I went this morning to record a weight of 102.3 kilos which is a loss of...sorry to mix scales, 4 stone and half a pound. Pleased about the half a pound.... and indeed the whole four stone!

Please don't let anyone tell you having a gastric band is the easy way out. It certainly isn't as I still have the same issues with food as I did before. It's now that I just can't eat until I drop as to do so will make me sick at worse, or in very bad discomfort at best. I still crave fats and would happily eat a jar of peanut butter for no reason at all.

Thinking on, my ideal weight would be somewhere around 10 stone 7....can't see me ever getting there, so perhaps another four stone loss should be my final target.

My final thought...if you are struggling to lose weight, then a gastric band is an option. It is not one you should consider without a great deal of thought...it does irritate me when I read the most basic questions on weight loss forums from people who had had the operation but have no idea what to do next. Indeed, to me weight loss surgery should be the final option taken when everything else has failed. I was facing failing health and the realisation; including a comment by my GP that I would be dead within five years unless I lost weight, thus, I decided I had to go under the knife. Can't say I enjoyed the experience...or spending £6 300 of my hard earned: "Buy Ian a faster bike/CBH a better guitar" fund, but if I live into my 80's as someone of my age should do, then it will be worth it.... that works out at about 1/2p a day.




Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 January, 2016, 12:18:25 pm
The weight loss journey takes TIME and PATIENCE; you're doing just fine essexian.
Well done!
10st 7lb/67kg is still about 5 stone away.

If you get there, fine. If you find yourself stuck at 12-13 stone, that's still a hundredweight better than at the start of your journey.

A loss of half a hundred weight is a excellent start.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 24 January, 2016, 12:39:33 pm
Sound like a jolly good start. It took me two years to drop five stones, to a weight that is about 2 stone above what NHS said I should be. Yet I felt a million times better. As Helly said it takes time, any drop is a drop in weight.

I only lost just shy of half a pound this last week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 24 January, 2016, 04:39:58 pm
Well done.  Just over 4 stone in 4 moths is great. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2016, 09:26:43 pm
Well done.  Just over 4 stone in 4 moths is great.

They'd never get off the ground!

Congratulations, Ian. I have been following your progress with great interest. Whilst never having been given the stark warning by a GP that you have, I too am massively overweight. I don't think I have what it takes to go down the gastric band route. I am filling myself up with salad instead, something I haven't tried before. I have reduced greatly the quantity of bread that I am eating, and have also reduced the ale. I'm cycling more again, and have signed up to our local swimming pool for a year, with the intention of going at least twice a week and swimming for at least half an hour. So far, things seem to be working, but it is early days.

The one thing I have noticed is an immediate drop in blood pressure. My BP has never been particularly high for a fat bastard (compare my older brother, who is two inches taller than I am and about 8 stone lighter and has always been very fit. He has been on BP meds for years), and my cholesterol figures are also pretty good, but over the weekend, during which I have cycled almost 50 miles and swum a kilometre, my last measurement was 114/54 with a pulse of 66. I have never been given BP meds. Previous to my current exercise/diet regime, my BP was typically 140ish/80ish. When I had a rheumatology appointment in November, my BP was a fair bit higher than that, at 150ish over 80ish, but that is the highest it has ever been. My GP has never been concerned about a reading of 140/80.

Taking my BP again now, during a day in which my exercise has been about 2 miles walking pushing a 40lb toddler in a push chair, and a further half-mile without a push chair, but nothing significant in the past 5 hours, it's 131/72, pulse 64.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 27 January, 2016, 10:20:15 am
Weight this week slightly up. Not too worried, still eating healthily, but my portion control has gone a bit awol due to portion creep.
In a Fitbit battle with my brother, both our other halves are telling us to lose weight (type 2 diabetes runs in the family, and we're both above the recommended BMI for Chinese of 23), and the constant updating of the stats is what I need to keep me on the straight and narrow.  We won't actually see each other until May at a family wedding, so a good incentive to see who can shed the most fat by then
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 January, 2016, 12:46:19 pm
My weight's up. A lot.

I kid myself it's a temporary blip due to Monday's Big Meal.

Hope I'm lighter next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 28 January, 2016, 09:22:28 pm
I'm still the same as I was when I weighed in at weightwatchers on Saturday so I don't think I'm going to lose anything this week. Hey ho.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 29 January, 2016, 12:38:42 pm
I keep weighing myself and still managing to stay at around 80. However with not cycling much I have had to restrict my calorie intake, and its pretty difficult without using the app.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 29 January, 2016, 02:38:00 pm
I was 69.9kg this morning and I'm very pleased with that since I was over 75kg in October.

Since my trousers were feeling much, much looser, I decided to measure my waist thinking that it would be significantly less than the 32" that my trousers indicate. No, I'm about 32". Measuring my belt gave the same result.
Checking the waist of several different pairs of trousers, including some very old (~20 years) Levi 501s showed 33-34".
I suppose that's what they mean by "vanity sizing".

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 January, 2016, 02:43:36 pm
Trousers always have some slack, to allow movement but the actual fit has become roomier over the past couple of decades, IME.

Well done on your size loss.

An *actual* waist of 32" is pretty trim for a bloke!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 29 January, 2016, 04:24:26 pm
I think my waist size is 34 but I still buy 36 as it feels like the slightest deviation in weight and a 34 will be too tight
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 30 January, 2016, 10:22:34 am
Well another week of indulgence, no fasting, and unsurprisingly weight gain. I am a bit shocked though how quickly it can pile back on - either that or my scales are just having a laugh.  :)

Up at 75.7kg now. I suppose I'd better get back on the programme ASAP, before I balloon any more...   :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 January, 2016, 01:48:49 pm
The first/last few kg of weight gained or lost when changing eating habits rapidly are often mostly glycogen-related water.

This means a CAEK fest can pile on HYOOGE amounts of weight and the first fortnight on almost any diet will result in BIG losses.

It's quite common to gain/lose half a stone/3kg over Christmas and holidays.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 30 January, 2016, 02:43:19 pm
Today's weightwatchers weigh in showed a 1lb loss. I'm now -7.6lb lighter than on the 1st January 2016.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 January, 2016, 02:44:36 pm
Most impressive, lou!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 30 January, 2016, 03:04:58 pm
Thank you
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 30 January, 2016, 06:14:53 pm
Well, Simon bought me some wifi scales for my birthday (don't worry- I had said I wanted them  ;D ).
There is now no excuse for not weighing myself and more importantly keeping a track of it.
I will have to start my new year diet  :-\

To help my motivation I weighed myself immediately after a huge birthday meal last night so I got a nice high initial reading- which should make it much easier to appear to achieve something. In fact I have already lost 1.4kg heh  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 30 January, 2016, 06:37:24 pm
In fact I have already lost 1.4kg heh  :thumbsup:
Now that is not a bad spot of bowel movement :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2016, 10:46:20 pm
2016 weights are now included in the graphs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 January, 2016, 11:01:37 pm
Thanks Simon!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 31 January, 2016, 12:00:09 pm
First time on the scales for ages - weight is up at 76kg at the mo'. I had been trying to up my protein intake, and combined with steroids, I'm heavier than I've felt in ages. This, despite having given up alcohol 7 months ago. It appears that no matter how much I cycle, I need to remain careful about how much I eat.

I'd like to be back down to 70kg by the 4th week in April. Will be tough.

Managed to get down to 74kg over January by cycling 500km+ a week. Had my hernia op, and suspect that I'll drop a load whilst recovering. My belly is currently full of the CO2 they fill you up with to do keyhole. I feel completely full. I suspect there's a weight loss trick there. Put a port in people and let them fill themselves up with CO2 canisters.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 31 January, 2016, 08:15:24 pm
Hahaha!! MyFitnessPal just told me off for not eating enough  ;D

I did a fasted 85km ride today - but it was a bit late because I'd taken fboab over to Notts for her Date With Kajsa, so I didn't get back from my ride until teatime (still fasted - I am a Fat Burning BEAST!). So tea is all I'm eating today; 900 kcals of it.

So MFP had a fit. Poor thing.

Quote
Based on your total calories consumed for today, you are likely not eating enough.

For safe weight loss, the National Institutes of Health recommends no less than 1000-1200 calories for women and 1200-1500 calories for men.

Completing your diary with fewer than the minimum calories noted above will not generate a news feed post for that day, or show a five-week weight projection.

Even during weight loss, it's important to meet your body's basic nutrient and energy needs. Over time, not eating enough can lead to nutrient deficiencies, unpleasant side effects & other serious health problems.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2016, 12:30:02 am
I appear to have had a backward step. It was caused by an excellent YACF weekend in North Yorkshire, and was therefore Worth It.

Back to the swimming pool in the morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 February, 2016, 11:47:45 am
I too have gained weight again.  :(
I blame the sodium load in the Chinese takeaway we've been stretching over the last week and haven't yet finished.
I've eaten too much but not massively.
I'll hope for a rapid loss sometime.
Maybe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 03 February, 2016, 11:54:45 am
I feel your pain Helen - I've not moved since my Saturday weightwatchers weigh in, which may have something to do with eating Krispy Kremes on Saturday and flapjacks on Sunday!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 February, 2016, 12:10:34 pm
Thanks!
Not moving would be fine; I now weigh more than I've done all year...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 03 February, 2016, 02:44:28 pm
It's Chinese New Year coming up, so we've been cooking a lot, and snacking while cooking. Back on the wagon first day of the new year though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 03 February, 2016, 03:27:15 pm
I'm back where I was at the beginning of the year. Too many cakes, too little willpower. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 09 February, 2016, 10:26:48 am
I've decided to remove my brain from the process, and bought the diet book that I was most interested in and just decided to follow that. It's The Blood Sugar Diet, as I'm concerned about developing diabetes like the rest of my family. What is interesting is that it admits it's pretty much a crash diet, but it says crash diets aren't that bad.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 09 February, 2016, 02:51:33 pm
I'm back where I was at the beginning of the year. Too many cakes, too little willpower. :(

And me plus some.    Get back on the game.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 February, 2016, 02:55:11 pm
I have not had too many cakes; just insufficient willpower...
Cakes are not the only calories...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 February, 2016, 02:58:28 pm
I have stalled but I haven't gone backwards. Once this bloody flu is over, exercise will resume.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 10 February, 2016, 07:29:21 am
Does little dance..... 99.9kg  ;D

Extremely pleased about that!

Does further dance but realises he can't dance and is very sore after last nights late night swimming session. Ouch.

Onwards and downwards... with some luck and a lot of hard work (boss is out of the office today so out for a 40km ride at lunchtime  ;D ).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 February, 2016, 09:47:56 am
The human body is a weird and wonderful thing. Having changed nothing in my exercise and diet, the steady 1Kg a week loss since New Year has ceased - at least for this week. Ho hum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 10 February, 2016, 10:13:32 am
The human body is a weird and wonderful thing. Having changed nothing in my exercise and diet, the steady 1Kg a week loss since New Year has ceased - at least for this week. Ho hum.
And the amount of sleep you're getting?

It's all that cortisol.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 February, 2016, 10:32:29 am
Definitely under 19 stones now! Pleased about that, because I have had a sedentary week of flu, in which I have not really held back on food. Hopefully I will resume cycling and swimming in a couple of days, and the high-salad diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 February, 2016, 10:41:38 am
The human body is a weird and wonderful thing. Having changed nothing in my exercise and diet, the steady 1Kg a week loss since New Year has ceased - at least for this week. Ho hum.
And the amount of sleep you're getting?

It's all that cortisol.

Hmm... there is that. I got to bed at 2 this morning - don't know what your point is!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 February, 2016, 12:30:12 pm
Going nowhere.

Looks like I'm not alone!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 10 February, 2016, 01:42:57 pm
5kg lost since the start of the year.  :)  so (for what it's worth) BMI is now 26

But I'm still now only just below, where I was when I started to lose weight last year, but this year, for the first time, has seen a real change in my attitude to snacking and potion size, so I'm hoping this trend can continue.


I'm also continuing to stay off the booze. I've (mostly) got out of the habit of wanting it, but it's meant that my already significant tea consumption has increased....  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 February, 2016, 01:49:10 pm
5kg lost since the start of the year.  :)  so (for what it's worth) BMI is now 26

But I'm still now only just below, where I was when I started to lose weight last year, but this year, for the first time, has seen a real change in my attitude to snacking and potion size, so I'm hoping this trend can continue.


Well done!

What potions do you recommend?  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Moultonaught on 10 February, 2016, 01:53:11 pm
opps!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2016, 01:55:17 pm
Pancake day yesterday. Hmm, not sure I really had a 1300kcal deficit even with the ridiculous TrainerRoad workout I did.

Today I forgot to weigh in. Tomorrow it will be.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 12 February, 2016, 10:25:28 am
Weight currently seems to be going up and down like a yo-yo. Not sure why, except that I have been a bit partial to chocolate and wafer biccies over the past few weeks. Comfort eating in the bleak midwinter? Not sure the fasting has been enough to counter those calories... :-(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 14 February, 2016, 12:58:06 pm
I'm slowly coming down in weight.  Yesterday I did my weight watchers weigh in and I'm now 2oz off a 9lb loss since 1st Jan.  However, this morning I got on the scales and I seemed to have lost a little more - although could be a weird body fluke - and I'm -9.5lb we will see if this is real when I weigh in for YACF weigh in on Wednesday. 

I'm starving today though, so I'm doing a no count day, where I can eat as much as I like from a particular list of foods. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 February, 2016, 01:06:04 pm
You seem to be losing weight faster than almost everyone!

9lb in 6 weeks is a lot!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 14 February, 2016, 02:55:49 pm
Me: just under 96kg, so just about a pound lost.
Mutt: 19.5kg on a full belly, so technically a loss since last weigh in, was on an empty belly. But still need to drop about 2-3kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 14 February, 2016, 03:35:51 pm
You seem to be losing weight faster than almost everyone!

9lb in 6 weeks is a lot!

Thanks,

This version of weightwatchers is working for me.  I'm not feeling deprived at all.  When I'm having hungry days I do the 'no count days' so I can eat as much off a given list as I want. As a veggie it works well for me. Today I've had porridge with skimmed milk, berries and cinnamon, a skinny latte, brown sandwich thins by 2 mountains of salad and a banana.  I'm having two field mushrooms, with poached eggs and beans for my dinner which will work out as less points than a normal day but I haven't had to count or weigh anything. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on 16 February, 2016, 07:01:24 pm
It's surpring (and annoying) how quickly the weight goes back on.
I was 69.2 kg for several days from 6th Feb.
After a relatively easy week at work followed by an indulgent weekend (lots of food and beer and only a gentle bike ride by way of exercise), I was 71.2kg this morning.
I'm on holiday this week with not much chance to ride my bike (and crap weather so I'm not likely to have the motivation to get out in the opportunities that are available) so I'm going to have to try very hard not to eat/drink too much.
Since we're going away Thu/Fri, cutting down on food and beer isn't going to be easy.
I think going for a run stagger might be the way forward (if I can summon up the tuits).

To compound matters, I start a new job next week and it promises to be less physical: more driving, less carrying/lifting.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 17 February, 2016, 10:04:19 am
Hit the biscuits yesterday, and my weight went up by a kilo, which I assume is water linked to glycogen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 February, 2016, 10:15:03 am
Sadly 'Lo' on the scales this morning is referring to the battery, not my mass.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 February, 2016, 01:12:24 pm
Sadly 'Lo' on the scales this morning is referring to the battery, not my mass.

 ;D ;D ;D

I'd be very worried if you weighed less than 5kg or whatever your scales' minimum might be...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 February, 2016, 01:15:21 pm
I have not weighed myself.

I am on the point of accepting that 62kg might be a sensible weight at which to settle and not striving for further loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 February, 2016, 01:30:55 pm
Couldn't weigh the cat so had to stand on the scales with him. Fortunately the scales didn't recognise me in this configuration.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 February, 2016, 01:35:49 pm
Couldn't weigh the cat so had to stand on the scales with him. Fortunately the scales didn't recognise me in this configuration.

Can't a friendly vet help you with this?

O suppose scales for babies might be OK but probably cost a packet and don't stop the cat jumping away.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 17 February, 2016, 04:29:16 pm
Couldn't weigh the cat so had to stand on the scales with him. Fortunately the scales didn't recognise me in this configuration.

Can't a friendly vet help you with this?

O suppose scales for babies might be OK but probably cost a packet and don't stop the cat jumping away.

The cat doesn't want to have to go to where the expensive scales are located- I was worried he seemed thinner after giving blood, but Simon was able to show he's actually the same as he was the day of the procedure. He might just be looking thinner because of the missing fur- but I've always worried about his tendency to go raggy looking at times of stress. I don't think it helps him eating the dog food more than the cat food- but the dog does nothing to stop him  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 17 February, 2016, 06:26:18 pm
Not a good week for me.
And I was so good last week, in a hotel for work and not having the cooked breakfast... ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 20 February, 2016, 03:32:57 pm
I gained about half a kg, though that was before deposits, so prolly that same as last week. The mutt has done much better, as she lost about half a kg :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 20 February, 2016, 03:48:53 pm
 I had a bad week this week and struggled to keep to my diet. Luckily I managed to to lose but on,y 0.6lb, so I've now lost 9.4lb. Since 1st Jan
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 25 February, 2016, 08:36:10 am
Not a great week for me this week, either. Stresses of moving house I guess. I only strayed from the path of dietary righteousness for a few days, but stress and poor sleep are evil demons.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 February, 2016, 08:38:02 am
-1.7kg today. I am pretty sure I know exactly where I lost that weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 25 February, 2016, 08:48:15 am
-1.7kg today. I am pretty sure I know exactly where I lost that weight.

A ray of hope. I seem to be following the trend and going the wrong way as well. Only way to limit the climb into the 'eighties' is to restrict my diet, which is hard as I am finding the need for sugar all day!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 February, 2016, 12:06:55 pm
-1.7kg today. I am pretty sure I know exactly where I lost that weight.
GWS if it all enhanced the Bazalguette legacy!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 February, 2016, 12:11:52 pm
-1.7kg today. I am pretty sure I know exactly where I lost that weight.
GWS if it all enhanced the Bazalguette legacy!

Thanks, but not unwell - just a bit of a digestive backlog which finally shifted yesterday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 26 February, 2016, 10:46:39 am
Another 0.5kg off this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 27 February, 2016, 11:01:56 am
I've had a weird week.  I've had an emergency scan and a call to say that I urgently needed to speak to the consultant. I'm not yet a year in remission so it threw me a little, despite there being numerous explanations for my symptoms and my recall.  I fell off the wagon, eat half a packet of biscuits and a bar of chocolate. Needless to say I didn't do well on the scales. I was 1lb up on Wednesday but by today's weightwatchers weigh in I'd managed a 0.2lb loss on last week.  Hey ho.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 February, 2016, 05:17:38 pm
After a month hovering (!) around 119/120kg, I seemed, this morning, to have lost a little since Wednesday. Hopefully I can lose a little more by next Wednesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 29 February, 2016, 09:11:33 am
Salt and carb heavy snacking at the weekend, resulting in what I hope I was just water gain. Must remember to pre gorge on fibre rich foods before being tempted by snacks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 02 March, 2016, 10:32:34 am
Weight up from last week. Haven't recovered from taking my foot off the brakes at the weekend.

Increased appetite in evening too. Was attempting to snack on licorice in the office during the day, but probably didn't manage it well enough causing a blood sugar spike and crash. Will knock that on the head then, and try go cold turkey on office snacking.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 02 March, 2016, 10:36:42 am
I'm still at the same point as Saturday's weight watchers weigh in:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 March, 2016, 12:32:14 pm
I'm still at the same point as Saturday's weight watchers weigh in:(

Look at your progress since 1 Jan; you're one of the few to consistently lose anything.


Chin up!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 02 March, 2016, 01:59:40 pm
Thanks. At least I haven't gained (yet!!) and I'm nearly 10lbs down, just another 11lbs to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 02 March, 2016, 02:21:48 pm
I am now down to between 11 stone 13.8 and 12stone0.8.  I generally with a diet get down to this stage and then stick.  it may be psychological but I get the impression that there is a body homeostat which thinks 12 stone is "right" for me and works very hard to stop me going below this.  However this time I WILL win.

Does anybody else recognise the concept?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 02 March, 2016, 02:43:14 pm
I get the impression that there is a body homeostat which thinks 12 stone is "right" for me and works very hard to stop me going below this... Does anybody else recognise the concept?

Totally. When I was at peak fitness a few years ago, my target weight was 64kg. But once I got down to 67kg, I found shifting those last 3kg impossible.

I think homeostasis for me is achieved somewhere around 70kg. I'm currently 79kg but know I could easily shift 6kg or more if I really put my mind to it - the reason I'm finding it hard to lose some of the excess at the moment is stress related to work and family matters (perhaps exacerbated by immoderate alcohol consumption) rather than my body being happy in its current flabby state.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 March, 2016, 02:44:18 pm
It's not an unheard of concept, for sure.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 March, 2016, 03:47:14 pm
I thought my homeostat was around 70kg and was 68-70kg from around the age of 19-50.

After Taking Myself In Hand at 74kg (I blame a Parisian croissant habit) I have gone down to 62kg or so.

I might not be able to budge from there but have stopped weighing myself for a while.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 02 March, 2016, 06:20:44 pm
I'm not sure I believe this week's drop but...

We're coming to the end of a 'weight loss challenge' at work. Five teams of five-ish 'competing' to lose weight over a six week period.
The team who loses the biggest percentage of their total body mass each week gets a prize of some fruit.
We won this week, for the first time. I was expecting a couple of pieces of fruit each, but it was a Riverford box with, in my case, three bananas, six apples, five satsumas and two oranges! We'll have to do very well to be the overall winners next week, but a little bit of success is always nice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 04 March, 2016, 04:24:30 pm
I am now down to between 11 stone 13.8 and 12stone0.8.  I generally with a diet get down to this stage and then stick.  it may be psychological but I get the impression that there is a body homeostat which thinks 12 stone is "right" for me and works very hard to stop me going below this.  However this time I WILL win.

Does anybody else recognise the concept?

Yes, also eye off the ball and on it goes again.   back up in the do NOT want to be here region.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 March, 2016, 05:07:31 pm
First time on the scales for ages - weight is up at 76kg at the mo'. I had been trying to up my protein intake, and combined with steroids, I'm heavier than I've felt in ages. This, despite having given up alcohol 7 months ago. It appears that no matter how much I cycle, I need to remain careful about how much I eat.

I'd like to be back down to 70kg by the 4th week in April. Will be tough.

Managed to get down to 74kg over January by cycling 500km+ a week. Had my hernia op, and suspect that I'll drop a load whilst recovering. My belly is currently full of the CO2 they fill you up with to do keyhole. I feel completely full. I suspect there's a weight loss trick there. Put a port in people and let them fill themselves up with CO2 canisters.

Codeine proved to be quite the appetite suppressant. I'm back on the bike and the scales this morning read 69.3kg 68.4kg. That's over a kilo a week since my op.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 05 March, 2016, 01:46:37 pm
After a long weekend with pies, fish 'n' chip and a good sprinkle of Ales, I'm up by a pound.

The mutt is down by another kg so only one to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 March, 2016, 10:02:26 pm
David has just made himself a smoothie.
I always lose weight when he makes a smoothie cos he then tends to eat less (and we always eat together) and cleaning the Magimix consumes calories...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 March, 2016, 08:20:33 am
Same as last week, which is pretty gratifying considering that the weekend involved takeaway curry, beer, a birthday bash, more beer and a b&b style full English. I have had three left-over bottles of Timothy Taylor Landlord and Old Peculier since Friday, and I have resisted the temptation to drink them. I will probably have one or more at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 09 March, 2016, 10:02:43 am
I've not even glanced at the scales these past few weeks. I know damn fine I'm piling weight on.

Not sure exactly when I'll summon the resolve to do something about it, but I'll need to take action soon...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 09 March, 2016, 10:20:03 am
Had a 20 oz steak on Monday, so that caused a blip on Tuesday. I'm beginning to see more muscle definition in places, so I have a feeling I'm losing fat, but my fat scales that work on electrical resistance vary wildly. When the weather warms up, I'll have to start adding more exercise to my regime, but remember not to overcompensate.

I'm in a fitbit battle with my brother about weight and steps, but I find that that logging in here too, is helping keep me accountable for my weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 09 March, 2016, 05:53:44 pm
I've not even glanced at the scales these past few weeks. I know damn fine I'm piling weight on.

Not sure exactly when I'll summon the resolve to do something about it, but I'll need to take action soon...

I know that feeling. Been having a go at the chocs as well
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 March, 2016, 02:22:00 pm
Finally weighed myself last night.
I am no heavier and might be lighter but it might be 'noise'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 10 March, 2016, 03:39:17 pm
I know that feeling. Been having a go at the chocs as well

 ;D Aye. Snap!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 March, 2016, 05:16:54 pm
We finished our Christmas chocs yesterday.
Not long till Easter!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 13 March, 2016, 11:40:07 am
I've fallen off the waggon. I gained 1.5lb but have now lost 0.5lb. Just another lb until I'm back to where I was and can start lose again. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 16 March, 2016, 04:24:41 pm
Over halfway to my first weightloss goal, 4kg down, 4kg to go. Letting myself have the afternoon off with a few packs of Frazzles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 March, 2016, 06:59:37 pm
Getting nowhere fast.
Not gaining, not overweight, immobile.
Losing a bit more would be nice but it might not happen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 17 March, 2016, 06:41:58 am
Getting nowhere fast.
Not gaining, not overweight, immobile.
Losing a bit more would be nice but it might not happen.

Eat less.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Si S on 17 March, 2016, 09:25:36 am
Hmmmm..If this continues it's going to get expensive, I seem to have lost over 5kg since before Christmas and now look like I shop for clothes at tents r us. The last time I was less than 12 stone with a 32 inch waist I was an 18 yo full time farm labourer. Still can't get back in those jeans though due to stupid sized thighs  8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 March, 2016, 12:06:14 pm
Getting nowhere fast.
Not gaining, not overweight, immobile.
Losing a bit more would be nice but it might not happen.

Eat less.  :thumbsup:

Eating significantly less could mean I miss out on things I NEED.
I don't eat very much.
My hip circumference seems less today.

I am amongst the lightest of those who post here (though little lou will be much lighter and is smaller all round)
I want to stay healthy. Slimmer would be nice but healthy is more important.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 23 March, 2016, 07:34:02 am
2 kg shift the wrong way for me over the week, but luckily as I weigh myself daily, it was expected due to some tinkering with the diet. Tried switching over to a carb rich diet for a few days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 23 March, 2016, 07:51:42 am
0.2 kg up over the past two weeks, which is obviously in the noise region.
Which means that the tightened regime when working away from home is being successful. A week in a hotel on expenses with no significant gain has to be a win.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 March, 2016, 10:54:51 am
A poor week for me. Very busy/stressed with all kinds of stuff, not least Phyllis being in hospital. A nasty cold has stopped me taking methotrexate for a couple of weeks and now my arthritis is flaring up. I haven't been exercising, other than cycling to the hospital, I performed in a concert and sung a couple of solo bits (more stress) and was given chocolate for my efforts! Dez and Mrs. Wow helped me eat that.

I finish teaching today and will try to concentrate on weight loss during the easter hols.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 23 March, 2016, 11:33:55 am
Slow and steady adjustments here. Strict No Sugar/No Grains diet (way more veg that I used to have on a "Standard Western Diet") and mostly still off the sauce. Hoping to start increasing training again after the fun and games of moving house. The leanest I've been was when we were tandem points chasing in 2013 - so maybe I should just go back to riding 300km every weekend :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 March, 2016, 11:51:35 am
After this morning's fasted training I was 78.0kg.

Yesterday I consumed:

 - 4 coffees.

 - A bacon and egg brown bap, butter but no sauce.

 - Salmon egg and roast veg salad with spinach leaves. No dressing.

 - Left-overs of Mediterranean braised lamb with wholemeal cous-cous, feta, olives.

 - And for dinner, a salad with mozzarella, parmesan, walnuts, carrots and tomatoes, dressed with olive oil and balsamic vinegar. For dessert I had a nectarine, and at bedtime I had some cherry juice and creatine.

I won't get my FTP/kg up to 4 unless I shift more weight, sadly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 March, 2016, 12:57:29 pm
Haven't weighed myself today but weight was down earlier in the week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 23 March, 2016, 01:06:43 pm
I lost 9lbs in 5 days!! Not the proper way though. Lurgi for the fail :(
I'll probably put it all back on again with extra as soon as I can be bothered to move.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 March, 2016, 01:16:51 pm
Get Well Soon!

You probably won't gain much/any fat in your convalescence.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 23 March, 2016, 05:13:17 pm
I am now 11stone11.4 at last nights weigh in, exactly 75kg and 12 lbs down in the last 3 months.  My last FTP was210 but that was before the 3 months training.. However training has been long steady rather than power so i suspect I am about 225.  That still puts me on just on 3W/kg which would be my best ever.

Easter Arrow on friday then it is into an all out power and hill climbing training for BCM and then a week in the Alps in June and then back to the TT for 24hr TT in July all being well.  At my age I just do not see me getting my FTP unto 300 and doing a full time job but it would be so much fun.  I reckon I have another 5-7 pounds to lose to get me down to about 12-14% body fat on our scales.  That would mean i have to get FTP unto 280-290.  I have never been above 260 before so it would be a real stretch.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 March, 2016, 05:24:01 pm
Long and steady last year got me to 250W.  Don't diss it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 23 March, 2016, 05:52:17 pm
Thanks Simon.  My plan is Easter Arrow and then a weeks holiday and then retest to get a base for the build phase.  Assuming that there is no large, work behaves itself, mother in law doesn't die again!!, etc
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 March, 2016, 06:07:51 pm
I'm testing on Tuesday, using a ramp test with O2 consumption and CO2 exhalation. Will be interesting to see if sweet spot base gave comparable fat burning rates to simply riding lots of Audax last year. FTP was 240W in April '15 and I believe it's 260W+ now. May do a trainer road test over the weekend for comparison.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 23 March, 2016, 07:58:38 pm
That sounds serious! Where do you go for that and is it worthwile for a very average bloke
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 March, 2016, 09:07:17 pm
That sounds serious! Where do you go for that and is it worthwile for a very average bloke

BW cycling in Bristol. £100 ish for the first test and £50 ish per repeat. Includes training advice.

My first test in Feb last year showed peak fat burning at around 25% and FTP 220W; had done two 200s in the previous 6 weeks. April after 6 consecutive weekends of 200-400k events, it was 55% and 240W and a few days before PBP 35% and 260W.

The method to estimate fat burning is to use the co2/o2 ratio (respiratory quotient). In the first test the signal was very noisy and all over the place. In the second and third it was much more stable suggesting better metabolism. In particular in the second test the initial reading when I started showed very high fat burning suggesting much improved resting metabolism.

Compared to doing the FTP test in TrainerRoad the results were comparable. It also showed I had good lactate tolerance. The most interesting result was definitely the improved fat burning which was entirely down to lots of audax riding - I didn't cut down on carb consumption per se, though I reduced my eating on rides, generally bouncing controls up to around 200k and eating food I was carrying.

Another finding was that my vo2max was significantly reduced in the second and third tests. Probably fatigue.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 March, 2016, 08:32:01 am
As if by magic 1.6kg lost overnight brings up my lightest this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 24 March, 2016, 11:14:09 am
Currently fluctuating between BMI 19.1 and 19.7. I seem to have a 3 or 4 day cycle.

I have a Garmin Index now. The BF% is ridiculous (I'm about 7% according to DEXA - Garmin says 1.4% when it works), and once I get below about 68kg, it just stops working. The Garmin forum is full of people around BMI 19 saying it needs an athlete mode, and is basically rubbish. On the plus side, it looks pretty, and plays nice with Connect and MFP. I think the Withings 50 is probably the better piece of kit if you don't use connect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 March, 2016, 11:19:30 am
Withings scale has me around 20% fat. Not sure if fat or if I should be using athlete mode. Probably a bit of both.

I'd like to have a DEXA scan to know for sure.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 30 March, 2016, 09:57:30 am
Went away for Easter. Damn you hotel buffets!!! Didn't make economic sense to continue a diet while paying for a catered stay. Will have to be super strict this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 March, 2016, 07:45:44 pm
A bit pissing off that I have put weight on over both the past two weeks. Loads of stress with Phyllis being in hospital and me being in the main firing line have been the main cause. Being on a diet takes a lot of time and effort and I simply haven't had the time. Although I had a great bike ride with The Fridays, I haven't otherwise done a lot of riding and I am way below my 10 mpd target for the year. Having colds has stopped me going swimming, although I have been swimming again over the past couple of days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 March, 2016, 10:40:15 pm
Lose some, gain some.
Probably minimally less fat at very slow pace.
Hip girth down and staying down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 02 April, 2016, 01:24:45 pm
I'm up 1.5lb after two weeks off the diet and one week back on. So I'm currently -8.5lb since Jan.  I'm being good today and hope to get back to the 10lb I was before falling off the wagon and then move forward a bit more towards my goal by the end of the month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 02 April, 2016, 03:22:40 pm
After getting to 78kg I seem to be on the way up again - 82kg >:(

So its back to myfitnesspal. Its just so easy to change the diet to rubbish food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 April, 2016, 10:00:12 am
76kg this morning after VoTR. Bit thirsty.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 April, 2016, 10:33:43 am
82 last night before a shower.
80 this morning.

Also thirsty.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 April, 2016, 12:19:04 pm
I'm starting to feel like a lightweight...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 05 April, 2016, 09:09:20 am
Having watched the Michael Moseley documentary again, about fasting, I'm freshly enthused to give it a go.

In many respects it seems too good to miss. Weight-loss, sharp decline in risk-factors and increased brain function.  What's not to like? (Oh  yes... the lack of cake I suppose).

It struck me that evolution took millions of years to get us in shape for a feast/famine existence, spending a few days tracking an Antelope across a dusty plain, before gorging on the juicy bits all weekend.  Then the Industrial Revolution comes along, puts Burgers within easy reach, and we start overloading our cells with easy protein and growth hormones.

This fasting regime clearly seemed to agree with our pre-Industrial cells.

The link between fasting and increased brain cells/synapses was amazing, almost evolutions way of saying, "Can't find food?  here's a bit more brain, try thinking harder".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Datameister on 05 April, 2016, 12:30:44 pm
I won't get my FTP/kg up to 4 unless I shift more weight, sadly.

Nor me, though if I did it would not only be faith that could move mountains....

Week 7 of Slimming World draws to a close......still on it.   

That in itself is nothing short of miraculous. I may even have ridden my bike this week   :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 April, 2016, 12:35:35 pm
3.6W/kg now (280W, 77.5kg).

Getting closer. I think 300W FTP is not looking such an unrealistic target.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 05 April, 2016, 01:07:12 pm
At the last weigh in both the mutt and me have stagnated - no up and or down. Honestly I feel good at the 95-96Kg area, don't feel like I need to drop anything more. Though the BMI says I should be about 83Kg, the last time I was that people thought that I was sick.

The mutt still need to get under the 18kg, longer walks due me thinks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 05 April, 2016, 01:33:55 pm
Having watched the Michael Moseley documentary again, about fasting, I'm freshly enthused to give it a go.
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I do wish the BBC would leave educational shows like that up on iPlayer, or let them stay up on youtube, rather than taking them down for copyright infringement. It's educational and for the public good after all.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 April, 2016, 01:37:02 pm
Having watched the Michael Moseley documentary again, about fasting, I'm freshly enthused to give it a go.
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I do wish the BBC would leave educational shows like that up on iPlayer, or let them stay up on youtube, rather than taking them down for copyright infringement. It's educational and for the public good after all.

Like this one? http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/horizon-20122013-3-eat-fast-and-live-longer  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 05 April, 2016, 01:42:05 pm
Like this one? http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/horizon-20122013-3-eat-fast-and-live-longer  ;D

Bloody public service broadcasters! Giving people what they want  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 April, 2016, 02:35:15 pm
I won't get my FTP/kg up to 4 unless I shift more weight, sadly.

Nor me, though if I did it would not only be faith that could move mountains....

Week 7 of Slimming World draws to a close......still on it.   

That in itself is nothing short of miraculous. I may even have ridden my bike this week   :)

Your 12kg loss is most impressive!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 05 April, 2016, 04:21:25 pm
3.6W/kg now (280W, 77.5kg).

Getting closer. I think 300W FTP is not looking such an unrealistic target.

My goal is a weedy (by your numbers) 3.0 W/Kg this year.  I think I was at that point last year at PBP start line (I'd certainly never felt better on a bike) but I eased up and gained weight since.

I think my FTP is around 240W and my weight is .. ahem... a lot.  It's a good, meaningful, metric though, unlike pure power or a specific weight unrelated to each other.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 05 April, 2016, 07:46:40 pm
I had gradually been chasing POWER on the bike, and gained about 3 kgs in 'muscle', but I caught the dreaded lung lurgy and I've been more or less in bed and off my food for two weeks, and I'm back at 63 kgs again....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Datameister on 06 April, 2016, 01:30:56 pm

Your 12kg loss is most impressive!

Thank you, although this week was a less impressive 300 grammes.

I blame still swollen quads following a more energetic Sunday ride than was anticipated. We find out whether that is true next Tuesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 April, 2016, 03:07:23 pm
I don't think I'll weigh myself until the end of the month.

We are going away for a long weekend of Good Food and companionship.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 06 April, 2016, 06:26:05 pm
We are going away for a long weekend of Good Food and companionship.
We've just had one of those and I was most surprised and gratified to see any drop at all, even if only 300g.
However, we're off to Berlin for a mini-break next week so I suspect things will be a little different in a fortnight's time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 April, 2016, 02:47:08 pm
Scales still saying body fat around 20-21%.

Did the single point thing above the hit with the accumeasure callipers. Around 12-14%.

Not quite as lean as I got last summer, but it's getting there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 08 April, 2016, 10:44:03 pm
Not a happy bunny, it looks like just under 0.5lb for me this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 April, 2016, 11:51:35 am
Not a happy bunny, it looks like just under 0.5lb for me this week.
Do not fret!
Half a pound of fat still represents a BIG energy deficit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 09 April, 2016, 04:57:08 pm
The mutt is now under 18kg so just a few more grams to her target.

I sadly went the other way and is resting at 97kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 10 April, 2016, 03:44:01 am
3.6W/kg now (280W, 77.5kg).

Getting closer. I think 300W FTP is not looking such an unrealistic target.
I don't think I'll reach 300w 1hr FTP. 265 is the best I've done on zwift. However, my recent results give us similar results - 252w / 67kg for 3.76w/kg. I'm hoping this sort of form will make Mille Pennines manageable.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 10 April, 2016, 03:56:01 am
3.6W/kg now (280W, 77.5kg).

Getting closer. I think 300W FTP is not looking such an unrealistic target.
I don't think I'll reach 300w 1hr FTP. 265 is the best I've done on zwift. However, my recent results give us similar results - 252w / 67kg for 3.76w/kg. I'm hoping this sort of form will make Mille Pennines manageable.

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The weight loss thing has been easier this time than previously. I'm putting it down to...

I'm eating more satiety promoting food.

I'm doing more Z1 power riding, which makes me less hungry

My vivosmart hr promotes more activities of daily living induced energy expenditure, so find 1500kcal rest days more manageable.

It'll be interesting to me to see how I do on maintenance. The first few months are usually novel (ooh look at me in my skinny trousers, floating up hills, being asked if I have an eating disorder). Then, I get bored and the dark nights set in, and I'm cold all the time, and I want to eat pies from October - January.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 April, 2016, 10:51:18 am
3.6W/kg now (280W, 77.5kg).

Getting closer. I think 300W FTP is not looking such an unrealistic target.
I don't think I'll reach 300w 1hr FTP. 265 is the best I've done on zwift. However, my recent results give us similar results - 252w / 67kg for 3.76w/kg. I'm hoping this sort of form will make Mille Pennines manageable.

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I've never done an hour FTP test and hopefully I never will.

Think I produced marginally more 5 minute power on the Devil's Staircase yesterday than in 2010. But I'm heavier than then and probably have slightly worse FTP/kg.

I did burn 7000 calories yesterday so the weight should be edging down.

Edit: It's worth noting that when I rode the Pendle 600k with Dr Mekon in 2014, it was he who waited for I most of the time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 April, 2016, 09:32:48 pm
Edit: It's worth noting that when I rode the Pendle 600k with Dr Mekon in 2014, it was he who waited for I most of the time.

It's clearly his way.

"Just going ahead for a pee - I'll wait for you at the top." #lel2013
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 April, 2016, 10:21:34 pm
Thinking about it, it might have been 2013. It's hard to keep track of all the events I've struggled round.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 16 April, 2016, 09:40:31 am
Been using a Vivosmart HR with Garmin connect. It plays with MFP, but it's typically Garmin-ish. You get a bit more credit for activities of daily living than MFP wants to give you. MFP defaults to take this away, so you end up in the bizarre position of doing 20,000 steps for no benefit. I've trusted Garmin whilst on holiday for a week, and come back to my first sub-target weigh in. 7 day and 4w averages are coming down accordingly.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 19 April, 2016, 07:51:47 am
Well something is not working. 4-5 weeks of calorie counting and no loss in weight.  Not sure why as it worked pretty well last year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 19 April, 2016, 10:55:55 am
Working too well for me. Overshot a bit, and now find myself at BMI 18.5. Maintenance is tougher than losing weight for me. Am trying not to yoyo, so am carefully adding quality calories, aware that I have a heavy / light cycle. So long as I stay BMI 18.5 - 19.5 I'm happy.

That recent article in CW on losing weight / losing power is my recent experience, albeit confounded with a chest infection. However, as usual, hills now feel super easy, and I have basically stopped sweating when I ride <150bpm. Those two things are the only positives I can get out of being skinny. Otherwise, I don't think it's that easy a sell. Being hefty didn't suit me, but having gained and lost weight, it seems like there is about a 10kg window where people call me skinny, even though my waist might change by 4".

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 19 April, 2016, 11:07:20 am
Wow - excellent Before/After pics  :thumbsup:. You need to lift some weights and eat some steak & butter.

For my part, I've lost 10cm from my waist since New Year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 April, 2016, 11:08:18 am
People call me "skinny" when I have a BMI of 23.7 as of right now. Subjective judgments like that are distorted by comparisons to an overweight, sedentary population.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 19 April, 2016, 11:35:48 am
Wow - excellent Before/After pics  :thumbsup:. You need to lift some weights and eat some steak & butter.

For my part, I've lost 10cm from my waist since New Year.

I'm pretty much vegan. I'm highly atopic, and find dairy makes me a bit worse (in the order of magnitude that Powerbreathe makes me a bit better - did you get one? I reckon it's worth about 7% of my Peak Flow).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 April, 2016, 11:38:28 am
People call me "skinny" when I have a BMI of 23.7 as of right now. Subjective judgments like that are distorted by comparisons to an overweight, sedentary population.

Very true but a BMI of 23.7 isn't very much for a tall chap.

Being stuck in a wheelchair makes 'waist' level close to my eye level. The general population is very heavy round the middle!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 19 April, 2016, 11:41:59 am
Wow - excellent Before/After pics  :thumbsup:. You need to lift some weights and eat some steak & butter.

For my part, I've lost 10cm from my waist since New Year.

I'm pretty much vegan. I'm highly atopic, and find dairy makes me a bit worse (in the order of magnitude that Powerbreathe makes me a bit better - did you get one? I reckon it's worth about 7% of my Peak Flow).

I did, but then the consultant I was seeing said "Get rid of it - it won't help COPD and may well make it worse." Something about Powerbreathe devices helping with breathing IN and diaphragm discipline, but they actively don't help with problems in breathing OUT - which is what Emphysema is all about. There are better exercises for COPD; deep nasal belly-breathing for example.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 19 April, 2016, 11:53:58 am
Ah - sorry about that. Yes, I think they probably do help in more than out. I'm v. tempted by the top of the range one, to see what's going on.

Just need to clear this fucking evil pocket of infection that's dogging me. 2nd week on steroids and antibiotics and I'm all emotional and pressure of speech, without the fun steroid effects. Actually, infection usually leads to quick weight loss - may be why I've overshot so readily.

Feel really shit (boo hoo blub blub blub). Still Rapha outlet sale in Leeds coming up, and I'm am looking like a skinny motherfucker, so may treat myself to cheer myself up. Prices sound crazy cheap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 April, 2016, 01:33:24 pm
Being stuck in a wheelchair makes 'waist' level close to my eye level. The general population is very heavy round the middle!

The population has become very heavy round the middle.

This picture shows Brenda, a mother of two, in 1953.

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B1F7/production/_89195554_pa-1150661.jpg)

You just don't see waistlines like that now!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Clare on 19 April, 2016, 01:46:33 pm
Yebbut, I'd be amazed if there wasn't a stout foundation garment lurking in that there picture.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 April, 2016, 02:04:17 pm
Even a stout foundation garment has to squish its contents somewhere. Substance cannot just disappear. It would not seem to have been displaced upwards and there are limits to how much squishing a corset can do.

I see no displaced rolls anywhere.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 19 April, 2016, 06:26:32 pm
People call me "skinny" when I have a BMI of 23.7 as of right now. Subjective judgments like that are distorted by comparisons to an overweight, sedentary population.
Back in 2003 I managed to lose over 5 stone, dropping from 17 to 11 and a bit at my lightest although it stabilised at around 12 stone. My first post on the old C+ forum was about that.
Since then about half of that has gone back on. This year I have been between 13-7 and 13-13. Someone at work complimented me the other day on how well I'd done over the long term.
Let's think about that in BMI terms. I'm around 5'11". Max BMI was 33.2, 12 stone is 23.4 and my current 13-8 gives 26.4.
The point being that the last, current, figure is overweight, but people still think I look thin. I could be nine and a half stone before the formula says I'm underweight. That's how much perceptions have changed. (FWIW I think I would look skeletal if I were under 11 stone.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 19 April, 2016, 07:34:56 pm
Mine is 23.9 just in the ok range.  However losing 2 kg more, makes me appear gaunt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 April, 2016, 09:45:44 pm
Partner's brother is close to 6ft and weighs 9 stone.
He does NOT look skeletal - thin yes, gaunt no, skeletal - DEFINITELY NOT!
We have normalised obesity to an enormous degree.

When I was in my first year at university, we did much body measurement of the class.
At 11 stone (70kg), I was one of the fattest women BMI 25.

40 years on, that seems quite light by British standards for 5'6" (168cm).
I'm a bit shorter and lighter now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 19 April, 2016, 10:30:22 pm
62.4 kgs when I got back from a ride today...

BMI 21.3

Not gaunt, but at 59.something kgs I had a few comments...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 April, 2016, 07:47:00 am
How the fuck is it even possible to put on 3kg in one week? I know I have been away for the weekend, but my aching muscles are testament to the amount of really hard exercise I have done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 April, 2016, 09:09:59 am
Injured muscles SWELL. Your achy muscles are swollen and contain more water than usual. It will piss pass.
Fret not!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 20 April, 2016, 09:13:43 am
I agree with Helly..

More than that I have exhaustive records of my weight, linked to records of my rides, and for a day or three after a hard long ride, I can see my weight go up, whilst my body rebuilds...

Worry not !!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 20 April, 2016, 10:06:20 am
Injured muscles SWELL. Your achy muscles are swollen and contain more water than usual. It will piss pass.
Fret not!

This is in line with my post Audax weight.

I know I permanently lose about 1lb for every 100km, so 6lb for a 600km Audax but my weight increases by about the same amount for about 3-4 days afterwards.

It takes about 5-6 days for the calorie deficit weight loss to kick in and the fluid retention weight gain to pass out.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 22 April, 2016, 10:24:24 pm
Just bought some Castelli 3/4. Given I'm currently down at BMI 18.5 with a 28" waist and am looking thin enough to worry my colleagues, you'd think I'd be a medium, right? Not a chance. Can barely put them on. Back they go.

Castelli sizing.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 23 April, 2016, 07:38:07 pm
I know.  I am BMI of 23, 6 foot tall and 11 stone 11.  I take XXL in their winter rain proof bibs.!  Even in Assos I am only large.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 27 April, 2016, 06:59:20 pm
Grr! Had an 'official' weigh in at work on Monday. Did the check for YACF this morning. Four pounds up!  ??? :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 April, 2016, 07:27:12 pm
I weigh exactly the same as at the start of the year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 28 April, 2016, 11:20:43 am
I think I've nudged myself off a plateau with a return to 5:2 fasting. I'd forgotten how much of a "high" you get on fast days - more so if you're already in ketosis through diet - turns out there's probably an explanation (http://www.ergo-log.com/bhb.html).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 01 May, 2016, 12:16:47 pm
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160501/e7e2409c90263a9e152db6a591455f43.jpg)

So a weird side effect of getting the weight down to colleague worrying levels - couple of my lipoma have disappeared.

Going for body composition assessment on Wednesday with bodpod rather than DEXA. Suspect body fat percentage will start with a 6 or 7. The guy who runs the lab is this guy :

https://medhealth.leeds.ac.uk/profile/1300/948/john_edward__blundell_

He's been down at 7%/BF from running in his time (he's mid 70s is, but still runs). I asked whether I was putting myself at risk getting down to BMI18.5 rather than 19. He said he couldn't tell from BMI, but there was nothing wrong with maintaining 7% body fat (what DEXA said I was).

Hills are easier than headwinds now. Garmin vivosmart hr + edge 520 + Garmin index + my fitness pal all in to Garmin mobile connect makes it very easy to maintain weight. I've just added a few hundred calories to my allowance, and weight is nice and steady, whereas previously I've found I yo yo when doing big distances.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 04 May, 2016, 12:34:27 am
After a month of being away in much nicer places than usual, and when at home looking after aged father rather than getting out on a bike - or even going for a walk - my weight has gone up from 90.6kg to 94.7. Most dischuffed, and quite disgusted with myself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 May, 2016, 10:43:47 am
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13124982_10101676597148040_2352937256938655327_n.jpg?oh=7ca1768d9fc14b6736c1ba4283953dd4&oe=57997750)

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13179217_10101676597736860_4321378859019303418_n.jpg?oh=0ba9ecfb232c7c681c93bcf398ac14e9&oe=57AC76A3)

Went to Human Appetite Research Unit (aka the bit behind the locked door near my staff room - jeeze it's fancy, I can see where the money goes). Operator calibrates machine, and I'm consented. Stripped off to pants. In I pop - much more convenient than DEXA. Two scans later, I re-emerge to a disappointed face. Operator calls in a couple of people, then I speak to my mate who is assoc prof in the group. First time they've had it fail. They suspect it's just not sufficiently well calibrated at the bottom end to cope - and this is me 2kg heavier than I've been, supposedly loading up with glycogen as I rest before Heartbeat 400.

Her advice was if you really want to know, get DEXA. Personally, I don't think any of it is that interesting, and I'm glad I don't have to pay.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 May, 2016, 10:52:32 am
0.9%. I think that means you're dead.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 May, 2016, 12:46:49 pm
0.9%. I think that means you're dead.

Agree. I suspect Dr Mekon is in the 5-8% range but he knew that anyway.

If skinfold calipers were used, I'd imagine over 5mm at several sites, making 0.9% improbable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 04 May, 2016, 08:09:04 pm
Grr! Had an 'official' weigh in at work on Monday. Did the check for YACF this morning. Four pounds up!  ??? :o
And I was so annoyed I forgot to update the weight tracker thread! Now done for this week and last.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 May, 2016, 02:02:09 pm
Getting nowhere fast.

I might just give up trying to lose weight and try to maintain my BMI at 22.5.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 06 May, 2016, 12:37:14 am
I've lost 10 Kg overall but that's in the year to date!
Basically I've lot about 25% of what I was planning  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 06 May, 2016, 12:43:39 am
Now that is good going :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 May, 2016, 01:35:28 am
It is often not realistic to expect to lose more than 2kg per month.

Maintaining any weight loss is as important as losing the weight. Yo-yoing is not healthy.

10kg loss is a substantial achievement; don't forget that and DON'T give up.
(Says she who has given up but is not now overweight and does not wish to regain her lost weight.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 06 May, 2016, 09:24:03 pm
Not giving up O:-).

I meant (Lousy headache typo) that I had aimed for around 25% more than that. i wanted to do 3kg+ a month. Happy enough with where I am.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 May, 2016, 09:43:34 pm
IMHO 3kg/month is unrealistic and unhealthy.

2kg/month is a lot anyway.

Keep going! It's a long hard slog and persistence DOES pay off!

Eventually...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 06 May, 2016, 09:58:59 pm
I think it partly depends how lardy you are.  It's relatively easy to lose several kg in a month when you have 50 or so spare ones knocking around, IME.  It's the continuing to lose them (after those initial several) that is tricky, so well done PD :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 06 May, 2016, 10:43:29 pm
That's the Good thing about being totally Lardesque. The first few go like an iceberg calving but, as Crinklesby says, it slows as the total reduces. I've been there around 20 years ago, down from 15st 9lb to 11st 7lb.
I'll just keep trying and ignore the Voice of the Pringles calling out to me.... Probably!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 May, 2016, 11:54:47 am
I can safely say I am not losing weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 11 May, 2016, 12:28:52 pm
Up slightly this week.
'Not bad considering the weekend I had'
.
.
.
'but all my weekends are like that'

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 11 May, 2016, 02:17:05 pm
Just started posted my weight on the tracking thread again.

I win! Woo hoo!  :thumbsup:

1 hulver is currently weighing in at

138kg
or
2.24 hellymedics
2.1 DrMekons
1.69 fboabs
1.62 Chris Ss
1.51 Hams

 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 11 May, 2016, 03:20:08 pm
Excellent weight loss this week has mostly occurred in the bathroom in the last 24 hours.

I don't think this is the kind of weight loss that helps between Llandiloes and Machynlleth.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2016, 03:34:09 pm
3.6kg loss in 3.5 months. Spot on, and I'm not even doing anything other than training lots.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris N on 11 May, 2016, 03:36:03 pm
I need to lose some weight. :(  I've got a pair of jeans somewhere that I never want to have to wear again - a 38" waist, bought when I finished uni fifteen years ago (too much beer, not enough exercise). Done it before, mostly just by riding my bike lots and got down to 75kg or thereabouts with a 32" waist (I'm 5' 11").  My jeans are getting a bit tight now, after 3 years of relative inactivity - though I haven't weighed myself.

I think we eat pretty healthily so no major changes to diet except for no more sugar in coffee, drink more water, less alcohol and no more late-night snacking.  More importantly, more bike riding - at least 2 commutes (40 mile round trip) per week, and one other ride per week.

5 months later and I've only just sorted my head out enough to get on with trying to get back into shape. :facepalm:

Weighed myself a couple of weeks ago (86kg :( ) and have cut out the snacks and booze.  Still putting sugar in coffee but only 1/2 a spoon in a couple of cups a day.  More riding - am now able to convince myself that an hour on the bike is worth it, not just for the fitness but also for my mood.  Trying to make it easier to commute to work by leaving clean clothes at the office - that way, if I want to ride at short notice, I can.  Would like to get back to 75kg, but 80 is a more realistic goal for this year.  No regular weigh-ins, but will check every couple of months and see how it's going.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 11 May, 2016, 07:56:48 pm
Hulver, why you little ... I just got my head around stones and inches. And now you are introducing a new measuring standard, thanks mate :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 May, 2016, 08:00:40 pm
Excellent weight loss this week has mostly occurred in the bathroom in the last 24 hours.

I don't think this is the kind of weight loss that helps between Llandiloes and Machynlleth.

Get well soon!
Hope you are fit enough to tackle those Welsh hills!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 May, 2016, 08:08:14 pm
Just started posted my weight on the tracking thread again.

I win! Woo hoo!  :thumbsup:

1 hulver is currently weighing in at

138kg
or
2.24 hellymedics
2.1 DrMekons
1.69 fboabs
1.62 Chris Ss
1.51 Hams

 ;D

I'm not sure you do win, actually!

Good luck with your efforts; it's hard work and a long battle. We are here to support you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 11 May, 2016, 10:58:13 pm
Hulver, why you little ... I just got my head around stones and inches. And now you are introducing a new measuring standard, thanks mate :)

Yes, sorry. Too many choices. Perhaps I should express it as "How many hellymedic's would DrMekon have to strap to himself to weigh one hulver"  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 May, 2016, 11:56:47 pm
Stones are IMO a useful, if archaic, unit of weight.
½ stone = average newborn
2 stone = average 2 year old
4 stone = ideal 8 year old
10 stone = slim adult
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 May, 2016, 12:09:15 am
I'm currently 1.2 slim adults. I have to say, though, that now my SI skin fold is 6mm again, it means I am probably putting on muscle with all the rowing training, rather than getting fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 12 May, 2016, 09:34:58 am
Hovering about 11stone 11 at the moment.  However I saw 11 stone 8 this morning so I may have broken the next weight barrier. Aiming for 11 stone 6 and a %fat of about 13-14 according to my scales.  Started at 13 stone  in January so quite pleased.

I am doing harder hilly rides at the weekend and finding that weight even goes up on Sunday Monday, maintains Tuesday, wednesday then drops on Thursday.  I suspect it is fluid retention in the muscles as it does seem to correlate with muscle pain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 May, 2016, 09:50:42 am
Just started posted my weight on the tracking thread again.

I win! Woo hoo!  :thumbsup:

1 hulver is currently weighing in at

138kg
or
2.24 hellymedics
2.1 DrMekons
1.69 fboabs
1.62 Chris Ss
1.51 Hams

 ;D
I like the idea of alternative weight measurements, a bit like the eponymous 'football pitches' and 'double-decker buses'. 'Mekons' has a good sound to it.

Until recently I was  1.3 Mekons (or approximately 1 ChrisS which sounds good until you know I'm about 4" shorter than Chris). Topiramate, the epilepsy drug of choice, is also a weight-loss drug, and I'm currently shrinking at about 700gm per week. So now about 1.21 Mekons.

I guess this is good in some ways - I don't have to go shopping for new trousers (was down to 3 pairs that would fasten up).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 12 May, 2016, 11:06:50 am
I'm back up at 67/68kg post 400km audax eating.

Wow - do I feel better than I did a 64 (awful) 65 (weak). I think my sweetspot is somewhere between 66 and 68. Certainly low 18bmi is too low for me to feel good on a bike anywhere other than the steepest hills. No power whatsoever. Honestly though, at 64 I floated up Norwood like it wasn't even there. Elsewhere, I felt cold and weak ALL.THE.TIME.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 May, 2016, 11:21:13 am
I weigh 1.9 slim adults.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 12 May, 2016, 04:05:25 pm
Am resisting the box of chocolate brownies and other assorted goodies, but gosh its hard!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob W on 12 May, 2016, 07:10:32 pm
So about 18 months ago I was the heaviest I've ever been - 120 kg - and I realised things had to change. Id always been a rake-thin teenager, but after university I stopped doing any sport, and my weight crept slowly up. It then started to crank upwards because, with preemie newborn twins, I was getting basically zero sleep, and was powering through with caffeine, sugar, and junk food. Thankfully at this point I also started cycle-commuting, and rediscovered cycling as something I loved doing. I also started taking a kettlebells class at my work gym, and, with sensible eating, my weight came down to about 104 kg. Unfortunately 6 months ago we moved cross-country again for my OH's job, and I became the primary carer for my girls. Though I do a lot of walking, I no longer have my daily commute, and I was eating too many cakes and snacks between meals. My weight had gone up to almost 115 kg again. Over the past few weeks, I've been watching what I eat again and have restarted my kettlebells regime; my weight's down to about 111 kg, and I intend to stay on this trajectory. My goal is to try and get to sub-100 kg by the end of the year; ideally I'd like to get to an ultimate weight of under 90 kg, which at 6'5" would put me in the middle of the healthy BMI range, but obviously this will take some time, as there's a lot to lose. I thought I'd post in this thread for the first time to try and lay down a marker for myself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 12 May, 2016, 08:35:51 pm
Hi Jakob
There will be many people who will be able to help more than I can but just want to say welcome to the thread and well done so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 May, 2016, 10:30:02 pm
Welcome, good luck and don't let short-term setbacks turn into long-term disasters.
We've all been there...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 May, 2016, 03:07:27 pm
I usually weigh myself just before bed, as the scales are by my partner's bedside and I don't want to disturb him but do want consistency.
I was 60.4 kg, which is a little lighter.
I had the opportunity to use the scales this morning and recorded 59.7kg.
I might be losing weight, after all...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 16 May, 2016, 06:49:23 pm
I started adding soy protein isolate to my diet. I don't feel like I'm bulking up so much as carrying a kilo of poo around. I suspect this is the mechanism by which protein has its satiety effect - you feel utterly backed up

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 16 May, 2016, 07:03:32 pm
Gradual downwards trend emerges from the noise.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7657/26961435622_3a976f320a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H5upuj)
Trend (https://flic.kr/p/H5upuj) by SimonP2006 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 16 May, 2016, 09:40:35 pm
After this weekend I can only have added to my body mass, loads off food and beer and no dog walking. Though the good news is that the kilt I made in 2013 for a wedding was about three inches too big for the wedding this past weekend :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 May, 2016, 06:50:21 pm
I might have lost a trivial amount of weight.
Hulver has lost 3kg in the last fortnight, which is an impressive start. hope you keep going, mate!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 19 May, 2016, 11:22:03 am
I might have lost a trivial amount of weight.
Hulver has lost 3kg in the last fortnight, which is an impressive start. hope you keep going, mate!

Thanks :)

Mostly water I recn'.

Nice to see a dip in the scale though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Si S on 19 May, 2016, 12:39:52 pm
O/T

I guess this is good in some ways - I don't have to go shopping for new trousers (was down to 3 pairs that would fasten up).

Which makes me think I probably do need to go shopping since I only own three pairs of trousers

On no ...four.. I have a suit
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 19 May, 2016, 12:43:35 pm
I've now lost 12cm from my waist since New Year; there are at least three pairs of jeans now relegated to "long-term storage".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 May, 2016, 01:11:43 pm
*All* my trousers are too large on the waist. I have relatively large hips and spend all day sitting so it doesn't really matter. M&S vanity sizing has compounded the issue. I need to wear trousers with elastic waistbands for disability reasons. The ones that fit the hips are about 3" too big at the unstretched waist and trousers from a few years ago are a joke...
...but you don't see this in my wheelchair.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 May, 2016, 02:40:15 pm
Having a 1940s hourglass figure with added thigh lard makes this an issue for me, too. As I don't spend all day in a wheel chair everyone can see I have trousers that fit badly at the waist or the arse. Cheaper trousers are worst- if they fit at the backside they're too narrow in the leg and too wide at the waist.
This isn't 'vanity sizing', it's a fair reflection of the shape of most larger women, they have (relatively) slender legs and wider waists. I don't.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 May, 2016, 03:03:28 pm
M&S vanity sizing has increased waist provision by 5 inches for a given size since 1976.
And I found M&S sizing too tight for the hips then.
My waist has expanded since I was a teenager anyway but not by that much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 19 May, 2016, 06:20:37 pm
Right, not posted on this bit OTP before.... but anyway:

Usually my weight is in the 94-98kg range (I'm 187cm), and has been stable for about a decade now. OK, aside from the spike to 100-102kg around the time of my youngest's birth (he's 8 ). Managed to break my leg over Easter (don't ask - utterly pathetic story  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[) and had to have it fixed with some external metalwork. Ilizarov frame. Google it - not pretty.  :-\ Which means no cycling for some months.... and a near certainty of losing both muscle mass and CVS fitness.

So I thought I'd best lose some lard along with the muscle. Straightforward calorie counting seems to be the thing that suits me best, since it allows me to vary what I eat. Also, the whole "high fat" or"keto" or "paleo" diet still leaves me peckish even after a 1500 kCal meal. So I'm ending up taking  most of my food as relatively low calorie-density carbs, with lots of semi-skimmed milk and/or fat free yoghurt for the calcium.

Bit difficult to work out how much I weigh now, given that I have this thing pinned to my leg. But the combo of said thing and I weighed in at 91 kg this morning. My shirts are a bit looser round the shoulders and given that I walk with crutches, shoulders are the one bit of me where I think I won't lose muscle. So i think I have lost at least some lard. So far so good.

Target is 85kg by August, when thing becomes a lamp shade (hopefully...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 May, 2016, 06:52:28 pm
I would be very surprised if the thing weighs more than a kilogram. You can weigh it before turning it into a lamp shade but might as well just ignore it for now.
Collar fit is a good indication of body fat. Can you remember your previous shirt sizes?
Good luck with losing another 6kg!
Welcome to the club!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 20 May, 2016, 06:22:50 am
It's three 200mm rings (4mm stainless) and 8 M8 bolts, so I'm sure I can do a mock-up if I was so inclined. But you're right, it's negligible compared to my belly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 20 May, 2016, 08:45:58 am
Right, not posted on this bit OTP before.... but anyway:

Usually my weight is in the 94-98kg range (I'm 187cm), and has been stable for about a decade now. OK, aside from the spike to 100-102kg around the time of my youngest's birth (he's 8 ). Managed to break my leg over Easter (don't ask - utterly pathetic story  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[) and had to have it fixed with some external metalwork. Ilizarov frame. Google it - not pretty.  :-\ Which means no cycling for some months.... and a near certainty of losing both muscle mass and CVS fitness.

So I thought I'd best lose some lard along with the muscle. Straightforward calorie counting seems to be the thing that suits me best, since it allows me to vary what I eat. Also, the whole "high fat" or"keto" or "paleo" diet still leaves me peckish even after a 1500 kCal meal. So I'm ending up taking  most of my food as relatively low calorie-density carbs, with lots of semi-skimmed milk and/or fat free yoghurt for the calcium.

Bit difficult to work out how much I weigh now, given that I have this thing pinned to my leg. But the combo of said thing and I weighed in at 91 kg this morning. My shirts are a bit looser round the shoulders and given that I walk with crutches, shoulders are the one bit of me where I think I won't lose muscle. So i think I have lost at least some lard. So far so good.

Target is 85kg by August, when thing becomes a lamp shade (hopefully...)

Fantastic work (not on the metal work, obviously.

Your approach sounds very Barbara Rolls - volumetric diet. Her ex PhD student is a prof in my dept. Her work on Nicola Buckland on automatic processes and her work with Graham Finlayson on satiety might be interesting. Her main tip to me was include low calorie density crunchy foods in your diet, as this tires your jaw and makes you feel fuller.

https://medhealth.leeds.ac.uk/profile/1300/947/professor_marion_hetherington/publications
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 May, 2016, 12:32:32 pm
Carrot sticks and other crudités for the win!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 20 May, 2016, 03:11:18 pm
Right, not posted on this bit OTP before.... but anyway:

Usually my weight is in the 94-98kg range (I'm 187cm), and has been stable for about a decade now. OK, aside from the spike to 100-102kg around the time of my youngest's birth (he's 8 ). Managed to break my leg over Easter (don't ask - utterly pathetic story  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[) and had to have it fixed with some external metalwork. Ilizarov frame. Google it - not pretty.  :-\ Which means no cycling for some months.... and a near certainty of losing both muscle mass and CVS fitness.

So I thought I'd best lose some lard along with the muscle. Straightforward calorie counting seems to be the thing that suits me best, since it allows me to vary what I eat. Also, the whole "high fat" or"keto" or "paleo" diet still leaves me peckish even after a 1500 kCal meal. So I'm ending up taking  most of my food as relatively low calorie-density carbs, with lots of semi-skimmed milk and/or fat free yoghurt for the calcium.

Bit difficult to work out how much I weigh now, given that I have this thing pinned to my leg. But the combo of said thing and I weighed in at 91 kg this morning. My shirts are a bit looser round the shoulders and given that I walk with crutches, shoulders are the one bit of me where I think I won't lose muscle. So i think I have lost at least some lard. So far so good.

Target is 85kg by August, when thing becomes a lamp shade (hopefully...)

Fantastic work (not on the metal work, obviously.

Your approach sounds very Barbara Rolls - volumetric diet. Her ex PhD student is a prof in my dept. Her work on Nicola Buckland on automatic processes and her work with Graham Finlayson on satiety might be interesting. Her main tip to me was include low calorie density crunchy foods in your diet, as this tires your jaw and makes you feel fuller.

https://medhealth.leeds.ac.uk/profile/1300/947/professor_marion_hetherington/publications
You credit me with FAR too much thinking! It's "calories in < calories out", innit. After that it's simply a matter of how to feel the least hunger for a given energy intake. Modelling calorie intake against desired weight was quite helpful to work out what said calorie intake should be, though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 May, 2016, 09:59:55 pm
Flat-lining.
Big cankles are a bad excuse.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 25 May, 2016, 10:53:45 pm
I thought it was all too good to be true!
I have actually lost as many Killer grams as I thought but, New scales and confirmed in a local chemist this afternoon, my start point was a lot higher and I'm now down to where I thought I was when I started (127kg, down from 133kg in December 2015)

Oh wel. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 May, 2016, 11:05:50 pm
Sympathies! My whole minimal 2014/2015 loss was negated by new scales.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 25 May, 2016, 11:23:51 pm
Sometimes, PD, it's not so much about the destination as it is about the journey.  The kgs wouldn't have been any easier to lose from the different starting point, and whatever else - you have lost 'em.  Keep on keeping on!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 May, 2016, 11:25:33 pm
Yesterday morning was my lowest this year. This morning I was away so that'll have to be this week's weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 28 May, 2016, 11:28:03 am
It's three 200mm rings (4mm stainless) and 8 M8 bolts, so I'm sure I can do a mock-up if I was so inclined. But you're right, it's negligible compared to my belly.

I don't think they will let you keep it when they take it off. The price of the components of these ex-fix kit are shockingly expensive!

Good job on the weight loss. It's very impressive to be able to control what you eat when you are laid up resting. (Personally I can't do that- if I sit down too much I start thinking about what I can eat.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 May, 2016, 12:15:13 pm
Methinks they might well let CL keep his frame as they might well think they can't economically do critical failure tests on it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 01 June, 2016, 07:35:59 am
I don't believe I've 'really' put on half a stone in a week.  :-[

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 June, 2016, 12:46:45 pm
Your weight graph is similar to mine: pan-flat and NOISY!

It's not usually possible to gain half a stone of fat in a week but 3 litres of water can easily bloat about.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 03 June, 2016, 07:54:34 am
It's three 200mm rings (4mm stainless) and 8 M8 bolts, so I'm sure I can do a mock-up if I was so inclined. But you're right, it's negligible compared to my belly.

I don't think they will let you keep it when they take it off. The price of the components of these ex-fix kit are shockingly expensive!

Good job on the weight loss. It's very impressive to be able to control what you eat when you are laid up resting. (Personally I can't do that- if I sit down too much I start thinking about what I can eat.)
I thought that too, but then saw a fellow patient walking out with his inna plastic bag after they took it off his leg. The issue is, I suspect, that they don't know what's happened to it in the four months or so I'll be wearing it, so they can't safely re-use it.

Re the weight loss: had a pin site infection so unwell for a while and paid no attention to diet. 91.5kg.   Time to get back on the wagon 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 June, 2016, 01:04:07 pm
Sorry to hear of your pin site infection, cl!

I'm sure you will get back on the wagon successfully!

(I see you've echoed my frame souvenir thoughts.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 June, 2016, 07:40:11 am
You are in the wars!

I'm carrying a load of post-600 and holiday weight. Or at least having felt like I was made of bird bones sub 66kg, at 71 after a big meal at Tebay (Westmoreland farm shop) services I feel flabby (oh my god, it's so awesome. I could eat myself to death there. Surely there's an audax route that takes it in so I can spend 7000kcal there).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 June, 2016, 07:51:54 am
Golly- just seen you could stop there if you did the border raid 600. *Considers entering just for the eating*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 05 June, 2016, 10:19:08 pm
You are in the wars!

I'm carrying a load of post-600 and holiday weight. Or at least having felt like I was made of bird bones sub 66kg, at 71 after a big meal at Tebay (Westmoreland farm shop) services I feel flabby (oh my god, it's so awesome. I could eat myself to death there. Surely there's an audax route that takes it in so I can spend 7000kcal there).
In the wars? No, about half of Ilizarov patients have at least one infection at some point. And I just went back to work a bit too early - now that I can't give anaesthetics, I then spent more time at a desk. Having the foot dependent just made the leg swell, which I think is where the mischief started.

Better again - total of 4 miles walking today and a (very) brief period on a cross trainer. Just to see how I get on, like. Painful at the ankle - foot dorsiflexion really pulls on the pins. But we'll get there. Time on a turbo would actually work really well since the ankle can stay at 90 degrees. Problem is, the frame bashes into, well, the frame (at least it did on the stationary bike at the physio's). So unless i can find an abslutely HUGE flatty pedal, it's a non-starter. Never mind.

Still 91.5kg but we had LOTS of guests over half term - beer and barbecues. Nomnom.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 June, 2016, 10:57:22 pm
Hmm. I have some really big nukeproofs that are so low profile you could sandwich them between a pair of metal plates that were bolted together.

I also have a tacx smart trainer and a Zwift subscription you'd be welcome to use. Happy to drop pedals and turbo around.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 08 June, 2016, 07:27:23 am
Are you fecking kidding me. No, it's for real, 2.5kg in a week. Fuck right off, I have damaged ribs and can't even *walk* without pain so pile on those pounds while I'm feeling shitty. FML, as the kids say.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 08 June, 2016, 09:18:45 am
Bet it's not real. It's water and glycogen as your body recovers from a) all the cycling and b) your injuries.

The ultracycling webpage suggests even a week of tapering before an event should lead to a 2kg weight gain.

Log the calories, trust them, and forget the scales for now, IMO.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 08 June, 2016, 09:54:23 am
In the wars? No, about half of Ilizarov patients have at least one infection at some point. And I just went back to work a bit too early - now that I can't give anaesthetics, I then spent more time at a desk. Having the foot dependent just made the leg swell, which I think is where the mischief started.

Better again - total of 4 miles walking today and a (very) brief period on a cross trainer. Just to see how I get on, like. Painful at the ankle - foot dorsiflexion really pulls on the pins. But we'll get there. Time on a turbo would actually work really well since the ankle can stay at 90 degrees. Problem is, the frame bashes into, well, the frame (at least it did on the stationary bike at the physio's). So unless i can find an abslutely HUGE flatty pedal, it's a non-starter. Never mind.

Still 91.5kg but we had LOTS of guests over half term - beer and barbecues. Nomnom.
If you are ok with Iodine can you slather it on the pin sites?

Regarding exercise would you be able to use a rowing machine?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mcshroom on 08 June, 2016, 09:56:57 am
Hmm, back on the waggon and back on MFP. Heavier than I was at New Year is disappointing but I can't change that so I just have to start from where I am.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 June, 2016, 10:04:11 am
Don't know what I weigh as I've been away. Probably about the same.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 June, 2016, 12:18:59 pm
Bet it's not real. It's water and glycogen as your body recovers from a) all the cycling and b) your injuries.

The ultracycling webpage suggests even a week of tapering before an event should lead to a 2kg weight gain.

Log the calories, trust them, and forget the scales for now, IMO.

Wot 'e sed.
2.5kg fat gain in a week is not really feasible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 June, 2016, 12:22:51 pm
No weight to record this week - birthday party and CAEK but I don't think I'll have gained much.
I'm not losing long-term either.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 08 June, 2016, 03:32:52 pm
I don't seem to have lost much weight wise. Girth does seem to have shrunk a bit though.

I've been tired a lot after exercise though, feeling like I could sleep for a week. Sod this getting old lark, although it's better than the alternative.

No, I'm not over training. A couple of times a week to the gym, and a "long" ride on the weekend. Plenty of rest days.

I'm wondering if I'm missing something in my diet. Mrs. H has gone "non-meat" eating (still eats fish, dairy, eggs) so I'm rarely eating meat either. Lack of protein? Maybe I should eat more eggs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 08 June, 2016, 04:05:39 pm
I don't seem to have lost much weight wise. Girth does seem to have shrunk a bit though.
I think most advice these days says that shrinking the girth should be the main goal, so you are doing well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 11 June, 2016, 10:46:00 pm
89.5 kg this morning. First time under 90 in at least a decade. Probably more to do with the empty stomach and fighting off an infection than with actual fat loss, but encouraging nonetheless.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 June, 2016, 10:57:58 pm
89.5 kg this morning. First time under 90 in at least a decade. Probably more to do with the empty stomach and fighting off an infection than with actual fat loss, but encouraging nonetheless.

Under 90kg INCLUDING FRAME!!!!

Well done!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisonabike on 21 June, 2016, 04:55:52 pm
Ive been following YACF for years now but have seldom ventured beyond the 'Audax' section so this thread is new to me and I plan to follow it.

I have a familiar story - left school/Uni - work - kids - poor diet choices etc etc leading to a weight above 18 stone at age 34. Started cycling again about 10 years ago and havent really stopped and saw a big weight drop of a stone within a few months. Ever since then though its been hard to maintain a steady weight loss especially given a propensity for occasional bad diet choices and booze.

I have tried several 'diets' or approaches such as fasting (2/5 or 16/8), hairy bikers and so on although none have lasted particularly well. Currently trying my own interpretation of a low carb high fat diet (that is low carbs derived from wheat) which entails eggs (occasionally also bacon or kipper) for breakfast (if im riding to work ill ride fasted and eat 2/3 boiled eggs together with a black coffee); lunch is usually some kind of protein such as chicken or meat with basmati rice/potato(sweet/normal) as is dinner; I try and add in as much veg as possible such as broccoli, pepper, tomato and also some mixed nuts. I even allow myself a beer or glass or two of wine.  The first week of this the scales were dropping down suspiciously fast (1lb a day) which took me from my current plateau of 15'3" to an unheard of drop beyond the 15 stone mark to 14'11". Calorie wise this was coming out at 2000-2300 kcal per day which seemed enough (although at 6'5" and 15 stone Im supposed to be eating way more than that)

Alas a weekend of birthdays (booze, cake, burgers, crisps) and no cycling put paid to that and pushed it all back up to 15'3" so Im not sure how genuine this loss was. Im going to stick to this 'diet' though as it doesnt feel like im denying myself and it does mean I dont snack very much,  although I do wonder if Im kidding myself that I can get away with the beer.

I promised myself 10 years ago that if I got below 13 stone id buy a Colnago. I think this might still be a long way off at my snails pace weight loss which is just as well as I cant afford one.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 23 June, 2016, 09:53:57 am
88.6kg this morning. I might just-just make my target of 85kg by August. Although I might need to cheat and say 85kg after frame removal....  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 29 June, 2016, 07:41:56 am
Well the technique of having a hotel breakfast as I wouldn't get lunch on the course last week wasn't a success.  :-\
Not that I really expected it. Why do expensive hotels always have such crap bread? A couple of decent pieces of toast would see me through.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 June, 2016, 08:09:56 am
How expensive was the hotel?
Which hotel?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 29 June, 2016, 10:09:32 am
To be fair it wasn't that expensive a hotel because work won't pay for expensive ones. But the bread was still crap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 06 July, 2016, 08:28:27 am
Back up to 89.8kg after another pin site infection. Combination of sitting on my arse and comfort eating. Balls. But getting better so can move around again. Back on the wagon!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 July, 2016, 08:41:47 pm
I have decided I am Thin Enough.
I seem to be unable to lose any more weight.
My BMI is 22.5, which is not very low but is OK.
The gap between my wrist bones is concave at the back.
I am still carrying a lot of lard on my hips but there is little in my belly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 09 July, 2016, 01:18:20 pm
I have decided I am Thin Enough.
I seem to be unable to lose any more weight.
My BMI is 22.5, which is not very low but is OK.
The gap between my wrist bones is concave at the back.
I am still carrying a lot of lard on my hips but there is little in my belly.

22.5 is perfect, no? "Ideal body weight" an' all that. Well done.

(Mekon says maintenance is more tricky than loss. I've never had to try.  ;D)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 July, 2016, 02:03:13 pm
I have decided I am Thin Enough.
I seem to be unable to lose any more weight.
My BMI is 22.5, which is not very low but is OK.
The gap between my wrist bones is concave at the back.
I am still carrying a lot of lard on my hips but there is little in my belly.

22.5 is perfect, no? "Ideal body weight" an' all that. Well done.

(Mekon says maintenance is more tricky than loss. I've never had to try.  ;D)

IMO BMI is a con, which only works if your height is very close to 1.73m (square root of 3) and most humans aren't built like Flat Stanley.

I am carrying a LOT of lard on my hips and thighs; it's not a matter of 'pinching an inch' - more like 3 or 4...

Mekon is a long lad and pretty light now.

I still don't really understand why we continue to use BMI for what must be closer to a cubic than a square function.

We don't/can't apply it to kids (a typical 3-4 year old weighs around 15kg, is a metre tall and is NOT thin with a BMI of 15)  but continue to use it for adults because most adults' heights are roughly similar and we are too lazy to change our formulæ.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 09 July, 2016, 05:15:26 pm
One kg down since last weighing - 94.8kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 July, 2016, 05:16:26 pm
Well done, woolly!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 09 July, 2016, 07:25:47 pm
IMO BMI is a con, which only works if your height is very close to 1.73m (square root of 3) and most humans aren't built like Flat Stanley.
<snip>
I still don't really understand why we continue to use BMI for what must be closer to a cubic than a square function.

We don't/can't apply it to kids but continue to use it for adults because most adults' heights are roughly similar and we are too lazy to change our formulæ.
Because no-one has come up with a similarly easy to calculate formula which is any better?
I remember starting a thread about such alternatives some years ago and I don't think we came to any firm conclusions.

ETA: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28005.msg508225#msg508225 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28005.msg508225#msg508225)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 09 July, 2016, 07:28:33 pm
Ta, Helly, just celebrated with some ice cream :)

I'm somewhere between 194 and 195, depending if round up or down I'm either normal or over weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 July, 2016, 08:07:52 pm
A little bit of plain ice cream is actually quite low in sugar, fat and energy.

Our staple Sainsbury's vanilla Soft Scoop is about 70kcal/100 ml; top a few fresh strawberries with this and enjoy!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 09 July, 2016, 09:02:58 pm
It wasn't this ice cream - http://m.tesco.com/h5/groceries/r/www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=263585215&gclid=Cj0KEQjwwYK8BRC0ta6LhOPC0v0BEiQApv6jYcbdmvUZM36oTjycomhM5pYiVVaiQTfl9yhbdpt_uTIaApYm8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds - this time, but that is now our stable sweet stuff for pud.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 30 July, 2016, 10:50:14 am
Well I'm back on the 5:2 fasting after some ridiculous weight gain this summer. Tipped the scales at 85kg a couple of weeks ago, the heaviest I've ever been in my life.

Nowt to blame but my own laziness and excessive alcohol intake whilst on holiday in South East Europe.
Back to a slightly better 82.6kg today after some fasting. Long term win is to get back into the 70s (kg, not decades). Hopefully my resolve will stay the distance...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 July, 2016, 11:03:34 am
I've not weighed myself for a while. I have very swollen summer ankles and doubt there's been much fat gain - or loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 August, 2016, 02:35:56 pm
Rowing seems to have substantially increased my weight. Or I'm getting fatter.

Shoulders, arms, chest are bigger. Probably a stronger core as well. I'm not quite as lean as I was.

I managed to finish the £16 American Breakfast at the Mocha Berry cafe in Glastonbury yesterday. This is a first. Definite increase in appetite to match.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob W on 02 August, 2016, 12:19:27 pm
Weight currently somewhere between 106 and 107 kg, and a couple of inches off the waist; despite plateauing for the past few weeks I'm still losing weight overall at about a pound a week. I've been trying intermittent fasting (5:2), because I'm intrigued about the health claims beyond weight loss, and it seems to be working pretty well for me. I've found it helps to be busy, though - I can get a bit lethargic and grumpy on fast days if not distracted.

My exercise regime has been a bit more spotty than ideal, but have been managing to keep up a couple of short kettlebell sessions a week for the past few weeks, and that seems to be helping a bit.

Just need to keep on keeping on; sub-100 kg by year end still looks eminently doable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 02 August, 2016, 02:19:44 pm
As the almost never ending 600s stretch on I'm down to 60.6 kgs....  I've done nothing dietary wise at all, and I eat whatever and whenever I please - e.g. back home from the Nat 400 and after a meal I had a serves 6 Sainsburys trifle....

The riding loses the weight, is my message.... (if you have the time, I admit...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 August, 2016, 02:23:35 pm
Was certainly lighter when cycling more. Otoh I could not pull 7:13 for a 2K on the rowing machine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 02 August, 2016, 02:44:36 pm
Considering energy requirement is about 20 kCals per km, 600 km requires 12,000 kCals, and that’s not including the climbing.
Why doesn’t it surprise me that a cyclist who rides regular 600s loses weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 August, 2016, 10:03:14 pm
Given that I can't ride and I like eating, in moderation, I think I'll just try to stick at 62kg or so.

Less is not happening.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 04 August, 2016, 08:47:07 am
I've found it helps to be busy, though - I can get a bit lethargic and grumpy on fast days if not distracted.

Yeah, good to do it on a day where you are fairly active physically or mentally, otherwise your mind inevitably focuses on your empty feeling tum...  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 04 August, 2016, 04:40:21 pm
I've finally got on the scales.  I lost 10lbs at the start of the year and I'm still at that weight.  I'm trying to lose weight again although this might not be the best time to try, so if I don't gain while I recover, it will be okay.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JenM on 11 August, 2016, 06:13:08 pm
Having discovered that my Olympic body type is that of a weightlifter and the fact that my eating and drinking is not as good as it has been, means I need to be more public about my weight loss on a weekly basis. Back to posting my loss / gain in pounds.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 11 August, 2016, 08:01:17 pm
Like JenM I'm back too.  I'm not sure if the post op swelling will make a difference to my actual weight or not but I weighed yesterday and I'm -11lb on my Jan 1st 2016 weight, so just 10lb more to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 August, 2016, 09:03:03 pm
After 6 weeks, your post-op fluctuations should have normalised. I can't remember how long it is though lou. You're doing well and have had MUCH bigger fish to fry this year.
I've stopped weighing myself and suspect my weight is steady.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 11 August, 2016, 10:46:10 pm
As the almost never ending 600s stretch on I'm down to 60.6 kgs....  I've done nothing dietary wise at all, and I eat whatever and whenever I please - e.g. back home from the Nat 400 and after a meal I had a serves 6 Sainsburys trifle....

The riding loses the weight, is my message.... (if you have the time, I admit...)

Hmmm. I always put on weight when the big rides hit over the summer.
This year is far from exceptional.

Cycling never assists in weight loss, for me. In fact, I was thinner before I took it up with such over enthusiasm. The appetite generated always exceeds the calories burned.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 August, 2016, 11:33:44 pm
As the almost never ending 600s stretch on I'm down to 60.6 kgs....  I've done nothing dietary wise at all, and I eat whatever and whenever I please - e.g. back home from the Nat 400 and after a meal I had a serves 6 Sainsburys trifle....

The riding loses the weight, is my message.... (if you have the time, I admit...)

Hmmm. I always put on weight when the big rides hit over the summer.
This year is far from exceptional.

Cycling never assists in weight loss, for me. In fact, I was thinner before I took it up with such over enthusiasm. The appetite generated always exceeds the calories burned.

...which is why I'm around 15kg lighter now, than when I had an 11,000 mile/year cycling habit....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 August, 2016, 11:36:20 pm
I always put on weight in winter and drop it as my riding increases with the longer days. YMMV, of course.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 August, 2016, 12:34:42 am
This year I've done less cycling than for years. I've done a lot of rowing.

I'm the heaviest I've ever been. And my jeans keep trying to fall down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 12 August, 2016, 11:10:42 am
After 6 weeks, your post-op fluctuations should have normalised. I can't remember how long it is though lou. You're doing well and have had MUCH bigger fish to fry this year.
I've stopped weighing myself and suspect my weight is steady.

Thanks Hellymedic that's good to know.

I'm 4 weeks post op at the moment and still have a little swelling but it's much better than what it was.  Before the op I comfort eat and piled weight on, I'm not sure how much as I was too scared to weigh myself - all I know is that my clothes were far too tight. They now fit despite the little bit of swelling I still have.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 August, 2016, 01:14:57 pm
I've posted before that a tape measure is your friend.

Waists will fluctuate a lot with food, fluid and gas but it's useful to have an idea of your range.
Clothing is a good indicator but postop swelling might make 'loose' clothes tight in some places.

Hip/bum circumference is the real test of weight. It's surprisingly difficult to place a tape measure consistently but again, get to know what's normal for you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 18 August, 2016, 12:32:16 pm
Today I am -11.6 lb. I do however have quite a bit of sweeping having over done it and having to return to hospital for an emergency check up  :-[


Actually that should be swelling not sweeping!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 August, 2016, 12:36:20 pm
Hope your health get sorted! Remember, weight loss should not be your first health priority!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 18 August, 2016, 12:47:27 pm
Hope your health get sorted! Remember, weight loss should not be your first health priority!

Thank you.  I'm not trying to lose weight at the moment, I'm just eating sensibly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 August, 2016, 07:58:03 pm
Pleased to hear this!
Keep healing!
Eating sensibly is the way to go.
Little women need very little food.

I looked at a website for my self and it estimated I needed about 1400 kcal to maintain a steady weight and I'm rather taller than you! (Obviously, I can't be active though.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 19 August, 2016, 07:12:52 am
The RCN has some formulae to calculate a person’s Basal Metabolic Rate. It involves body surface area for heat energy loss. The unit is Cals/hr/m^2. There is an age offset.
This is for a person who is laid in a hospital bed all day and all night, to maintain a sensible fat%.

I’m a 176cm bloke and my BMR is 1600 kCals/day. A 150cm woman could be as low as 1250 kCals/day.

When trying to lose fat%, add any physical activity requirements ( or a good percentage of ) to BMR for TARGET MASS to get a day total.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 19 August, 2016, 10:38:25 am
I think I'm eating a 1200 cal diet at the moment. When I'm not at work I lose weight because:
A) I don't feel the need to comfort eat
B) I can more easily eat a healthy diet.
C) I'm not tempted by hot chocolate and pastries every time I leave the office.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: essexian on 24 August, 2016, 06:42:39 am
Back in 2007, CBH and I went on holiday to Skye during which we tried to go for a walk in the Cuillins Mountains to the south of the Island: very lovely there are too.  However, it soon became clear that I was not very fit and we turned back after only a few miles.

Upon returning home I reluctantly got on the weighing scales to discover much to my horror that I weighed 21 stone 5lb, or 299lb if you prefer it that way. Given that I am only 5 foot 5 tall (yes, very short for a bloke) that gave me a terrible BMI and put me at risk from a load of health issues. So, grabbing the bull by the horns, I quickly did something about it..... yes, I sat on my butt for a couple of years!

Come 2009 I had had enough of not being able to find clothes to fit and panting when I tried to do anything physical. So, I brought myself a new bike and took up cycling. Overtime I managed to lose a couple of stone but tended to put it back on again. So, as I have noted previously on this forum, last October I had a gastric band fitted as frankly, my blood pressure and diabetes problems were poorly controlled and it didn't fancy following my younger brother into an early grave.

So, why am I writing this today....well I have just been on the scales which show a weight of 14 stone 2lb, or 198lb. Thus, I have lost 101lbs and am officially a third less of a man I used to be!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 24 August, 2016, 07:47:37 am
Jolly good show
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: peliroja on 24 August, 2016, 07:49:00 am
Woohoo essexian!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 August, 2016, 08:00:22 am
\o/
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 24 August, 2016, 08:02:32 am
Brilliant!

Meanwhile back here I'm just glad that my post-holiday weight is about the same as it was a month ago, before the summer hecticness started.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 August, 2016, 01:16:12 pm
Well done essexian!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 25 August, 2016, 09:15:55 am


Oh, FTR, you are not a third less, but a third of the man you were...


D'oh.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jsabine on 25 August, 2016, 01:02:21 pm
Oh, FTR, you are not a third less, but a third of the man you were...

Two thirds, shirley?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 August, 2016, 01:08:54 pm
A third of what he was would be rather lighter than me. (I'm the same height.) This would not be healthy.
Some women of my height are 7 stone but that's very thin and definitely an unhealthy weight for a man.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob W on 25 August, 2016, 01:14:14 pm
Congrats essexian!

I'm consistently under 104kg at the moment, which is lighter than I've been for at least 3 years, and - looking at some old photos - probably more like 5 or 6. Sub-100 here I come...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 25 August, 2016, 01:28:09 pm
81kg and set two Strava PRs on climbs yesterday.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 25 August, 2016, 03:34:16 pm
Well done Essexian

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 25 August, 2016, 06:26:45 pm
18st 9.5lbs/118kg. and I lost my only KOM yesterday.
Time to get serious again, methinks.
Target: <17st/107kg for a BMI of 27.9 by New Year
That'd be 1.5lbs/week. Sounds doable doesn't it? hmmm.....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 August, 2016, 06:32:58 pm
Sounds ambitious to me but I can't judge as I'm so much lighter and finding weight loss difficult now.
It seemed to vanish quite fast when I was fatter and only put my 2012 weights in two years later when my morale needed a boost.

Good luck anyway!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 25 August, 2016, 06:38:29 pm
Thank you!
I agree, it's ambitious - especially over winter but I need a goal. I lost weight at that rate when I was fully on the Dukan but that didn't work for me second time round. I'm on a semi-serious keto diet (which I realise is NOT the way to do it) so I'll research that properly and go for it.
That and eat less, ride more....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 August, 2016, 06:48:54 pm
I eat less until
I am hungry
I am in eating company

I can't ride.

I might lose a little more weight eventually.

I might not.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 August, 2016, 07:23:21 am
I knew a bloke who was less than 100lb in weight.
She carried him across the threshold,,  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 26 August, 2016, 09:21:30 am
I eat less until
I am hungry
I am in eating company

I can't ride.

I might lose a little more weight eventually.

I might not.
Men are simple animals. When I gave up eating carbs I'd order steak or gammon with a green salad in the pub after our regular Tuesday night rides. My riding buddies started off by waving chips under my nose to see if I was serious. After a couple of weeks they said: Huh, guess you mean it - and stopped.
The chip waving made me angry enough to become determined :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 August, 2016, 01:16:32 pm
My 3S (steak, salad & strawberries) diet was a pretty painless way to lose weight but I do not live on these alone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 26 August, 2016, 03:07:23 pm
Me: 209 lb, 94.5kg
Mutt: 17.6kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 01 September, 2016, 10:13:09 pm
This week I'm -12.4lb. Reviewing my target of -21 lb I'm wondering if that was a little too much.  I'd like to lose around another 5lb. So my new target is -17.5lb.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 09 September, 2016, 05:27:38 pm
I'm a remain the same this week (-12.4lb). Hey ho.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 September, 2016, 05:38:50 pm
I am holidaying right now but weight seemed to drop last week.

What will happen later is another matter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 09 September, 2016, 05:46:48 pm
Have a great holiday Helymedic
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 September, 2016, 06:01:49 pm
Thanks! Given your recent surgery and other treatments, I wouldn't be surprised if you turned out to be carrying extra water.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 14 September, 2016, 10:10:26 am
It's coming off very very slowly nzw today's weigh in is -12.6lb (1/4 of a pound off Grrr) but at least the scales are going down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 14 September, 2016, 08:55:59 pm
I eat less until
I am hungry
I am in eating company

I can't ride.

I might lose a little more weight eventually.

I might not.
Men are simple animals. When I gave up eating carbs I'd order steak or gammon with a green salad in the pub after our regular Tuesday night rides. My riding buddies started off by waving chips under my nose to see if I was serious. After a couple of weeks they said: Huh, guess you mean it - and stopped.
The chip waving made me angry enough to become determined :)

This actually does help. I'm not a keto warrior, but stopping eating carbs does lead to me losing weight dramatically. In order to avoid becoming a keto warrior I have to remind myself that:

A. Water falls out of you at first;)

B. I'm rubbish at actually eating enough without some carb, so what is caloric deficiency and what is keto is hard to determine

Today I will gain water and carb weight, but the trend is again in the eight direction.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 22 September, 2016, 12:25:05 pm
I've sts again.  I've obviously hit a plateau. Hey on, I will keep on keeping on going.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 September, 2016, 01:12:56 pm
Seem to have crept back under 80kg this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 September, 2016, 01:51:41 pm
Simon, can I ask you very nicely to update the graphs? I know I'm flatlining but...
Ta muchly!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 September, 2016, 02:04:59 pm
Yes, it's slipped my mind for a while, apologies. I'll do it later.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 September, 2016, 03:09:26 pm
Yes, it's slipped my mind for a while, apologies. I'll do it later.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 September, 2016, 10:57:17 am
Ran it this morning.

It's not quite working as expected; it seems that it's only picking up weights from the first page of the log.

Have to go to dentist now, so I won't be able to fix that until later.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 24 September, 2016, 08:33:23 pm
I should probably start tracking my weight again really.
Have not really been cycling much if at all this year.
Started off the new year with a nasty chest infection bordering on pneumonia. Got over that after going on systemic steroids again, then started doing building work in the garden which took me most of the summer to do. Did manage to build a pond the size of a swimming pool, but with the aid of a digger, cement mixer, and using my son and sometimes Simon as labourers I don't think it made me thinner.
Now going into Autumn and my asthma is back with a vengeance and I just spent all week trying to breathe, no sleeping, aching ribs the works. Finally gave up today and went back on oral steroids. This is not going to help my diet, but at least I don't need to call myself an ambulance now  ;D

Next step- training for LEL 2017 which I have already entered  :o ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 September, 2016, 09:59:56 pm
Fixed the graphs.

Took a bit to track down; the data were being picked up but there are mistakes in the table everyone is using; extra blank entries at the end of some months which caused the week index to accumulate errors, pushing the 3 weights I'd entered into the future.

Now fixed with a change from == to >= in the logic to detect blank entries in 4-week months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 September, 2016, 12:21:06 am
Thanks!

Very pleased with the overall shape of my 6 year curve  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 28 September, 2016, 10:49:44 am
I think I've broke through my plateau.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 September, 2016, 11:38:58 am
Well done!
my weight is up a bit but I'm not much bothered.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 September, 2016, 08:40:22 pm
Grumble, grumble. It's all my own fault and this weekend isn't going to help.
But after that, let's hope...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 29 September, 2016, 08:07:59 am
5:2 fasting doesn't seem to be working very well this late summer/autumn. Not a huge amount of progress in two months, apart from an initial quick drop of around 2.5kg which has stayed off.

I think I was maybe a lot more active (cycling, DIY, gardening) last time I did this, and the kilos fell off rapidly. Rather more sedentary this year. Now my spare tyre and moobs are proving very stubborn. Could be age too? Nearing the big five oh next spring...

Oh and thanks to simonp for updating the graphs: shows me how far I still need to travel.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 29 September, 2016, 11:20:54 am
Despite exercising more, and trying to cut down on food I'm still not losing weight, gaining it if anything.

The only thing that has worked consistently for me in the past is low carb, so I'm going to try that again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 04 October, 2016, 09:53:05 am
Right, time for drastic action: I joined slimming world last night. Hopefully that will help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 October, 2016, 01:16:21 pm
Good luck butterfly. Wishing you success!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 04 October, 2016, 07:28:14 pm
Good luck, my friend has had some brilliant results with Slimming world.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 12 October, 2016, 01:46:43 pm
Back on Keto diet for a few weeks now. Lost 4 kg (mostly water I bet). Nice to see the figure on the scale going back down again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 13 October, 2016, 11:08:53 am
Weight going up due to increased exercise. Hopefully it's muscle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 October, 2016, 11:15:37 am
Weight going up due to increased exercise. Hopefully it's muscle.

What is your waistline doing?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 13 October, 2016, 11:22:07 am
Staying the same
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob W on 13 October, 2016, 08:16:59 pm
My weight has been more or less static for the past month, which I'm hoping is a combination of a few stressful weeks of familial illness at home, and possibly weight gain through exercise - have been doing the nursery run on the bike for about a month now, and my legs are looking significantly more muscular.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wine Mechanic on 19 October, 2016, 01:45:40 pm
Hello everybody, my first post on this subject. Ive managed to get my weight down form 16st 13 to 15st 12 over a couple of months. Not by following a particular diet but by choosing healthy options.The big one for me has been virtually cutting out all alcohol, this has made it easier to cut out the snacking. Dieting in the day is ok, its a night when the will power decreases and the munchies come a knocking. I do find that if I'm going for a long ride its better if I eat more the night before and scoff the biggest breakfast that I can, if I dont then I do fatigue faster and also want to eat the fridge when i get home. also I try and exercise before eating in the evening, nothing to strenuous,  it somehow reduces the hunger pangs. Cheese and cake are still my weak spots  ;D
 Good luck to everybody on their own weight journeys.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 October, 2016, 01:53:13 pm
Welcome to the club, WM!

Weight loss is quite a challenge in the autumn and winter, when there are boozy parties with many snacks, dinners, Christmas and a cold environment which stimulates the appetite.

I hope you're still successful despite these challenges. Sticking to some eating plan on days when there are no parties seems the key.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 October, 2016, 01:58:04 pm
Under 79kg this morning. Lurgy has its uses, including increased metabolic rate and reduced appetite.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 October, 2016, 02:14:59 pm
...until you feel well and regain your 'healthy' appetite and more...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 19 October, 2016, 02:20:07 pm
I chose this time to start logging in myfitnesspal again, in order to head that off.

Currently feeling slightly hungry.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 19 October, 2016, 08:43:45 pm
Lost 4.5kg in the last month on a liquid only diet. Drunk lots of huel and protein shakes, various liquidised soups. Succeeded in keeping protein at 30% of calories. Easiest weight loss ever - highly recommend getting your face smashed in by an uber taxi for weight loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 October, 2016, 08:50:44 pm
Mr Slim is now Mr Stick...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 19 October, 2016, 08:52:31 pm
Right, time for drastic action: I joined slimming world last night. Hopefully that will help.
http://www.slimmingworld.co.uk/health/contact-us/meet-the-team.aspx

J.S (being circumspect as I don't want this showing up when he self googles) of slimming world just moved in to the office across the corridor from me - he gets a window for being a prof (I only have a velux). Interesting guy.

Slimming World is an interesting one. Word on the street (as street as behaviour change in weight management gets) is that SW doesn't know how SW works, I know they were tendering for research psychs to come in and try to develop a causal model as part of a trial.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 October, 2016, 01:50:26 pm
I am hoping my gain this week is a temporary blip :( ...

I had an hotel weekend but didn't eat excessively.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 October, 2016, 02:01:21 pm
Hungry. About to eat a pastrami and Swiss cheese bagel.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: peliroja on 20 October, 2016, 02:12:16 pm
3-anna-half inches off the waist in three weeks. Don't recommend the method, though.  :sick:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 20 October, 2016, 02:47:12 pm
Lost 4.5kg in the last month on a liquid only diet. Drunk lots of huel and protein shakes, various liquidised soups. Succeeded in keeping protein at 30% of calories. Easiest weight loss ever - highly recommend getting your face smashed in by an uber taxi for weight loss.
I am an extreme sceptic of huel but understand you have limited options.

Add fat to it. olive oil, butter. Your problem is going to be getting down enough calories in a swallowable format.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 20 October, 2016, 03:12:19 pm
Yes, I've found coconut flour and coconut oil hugely improve the taste and texture, as do coco nibs and chopped hazelnuts
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 October, 2016, 01:52:11 pm
I am hoping my gain this week is a temporary blip :( ...

I had an hotel weekend but didn't eat excessively.

0.6 down in 24 hours so might be...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob W on 28 October, 2016, 01:14:23 pm
Slightly artificial, in that it was the morning after a (5:2) fasting day, but the scales were at 99.9 earlier today; bodes well for genuine sub-100kg by year end...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 29 October, 2016, 09:56:42 am
Since my metalwork came off & I went back to work, my weight has increased from 88-89kg to 91-92 kg.  :-[

Thinking about it, a number of things happened simultaneously as consequence of that change in circumstances:

So - bit of thinking required. Calorie counting works well for me as it's a bit geeky and I like a bit of data... ::-) So that'll form part of the plan.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 29 October, 2016, 10:48:06 am
@CL - I'm a big fan of the full Garmin system

1. Vivoactive HR for calorie tracking that syncs with Myfitnesspal
2. Garmin Index Scales that sync with Myfitnesspal
3. Myfitnesspal

I've relied purely on the data from the Vivoactive for calorie expenditure. It's worked like a charm for managing things whilst I've been recovering.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161029/ddfc885f3623e7a3045558e959bff2fd.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 October, 2016, 01:33:17 pm
Did you weigh your metalwork, cl?  ;)
You might find walking and housework!?! helpful.

I sympathise though; nothing like a sponge & custard to keep you going through a long night...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 29 October, 2016, 02:07:24 pm
@CL - I'm a big fan of the full Garmin system

1. Vivoactive HR for calorie tracking that syncs with Myfitnesspal
2. Garmin Index Scales that sync with Myfitnesspal
3. Myfitnesspal

I've relied purely on the data from the Vivoactive for calorie expenditure. It's worked like a charm for managing things whilst I've been recovering.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161029/ddfc885f3623e7a3045558e959bff2fd.jpg)

I agree with Dr Mekon here, but don't use the MyFitnessPal food diary - simply because I can't be bothered to work out what to put into it - I don't eat stuff with bar codes basically, so it's too hard.

I am amused to see that Dr Mekon has similar lean mass to me, but materially less fat! Still, new low this morning at 13st 1lb (c. 83kg...) - all assuming the scales aren't too far out on fat percentage of course.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: closetleftie on 29 October, 2016, 04:48:56 pm
Did you weigh your metalwork, cl?  ;)
You might find walking and housework!?! helpful.

I sympathise though; nothing like a sponge & custard to keep you going through a long night...

No I didn't weigh it - removal was done with entonox and a firm hand* in clinic and I was a little, ahem, disturbed afterwards so said something along the lines of "Feck that for a bag of spanners - bin the fecker".  ;D

Walking OK - scar sites get hyperalgesic after around 30 minutes but that seems to be settling now. It's going to have to be calorie restriction.  :'(Shame, as I simply love a bit of NHS stodge & custard!  :thumbsup:


*Well, two pairs of hands actually - one to brace the leg and the other to hold a pair of molegrips.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 29 October, 2016, 05:44:42 pm
Did you weigh your metalwork, cl?  ;)
You might find walking and housework!?! helpful.

I sympathise though; nothing like a sponge & custard to keep you going through a long night...

No I didn't weigh it - removal was done with entonox and a firm hand* in clinic and I was a little, ahem, disturbed afterwards so said something along the lines of "Feck that for a bag of spanners - bin the fecker".  ;D

Walking OK - scar sites get hyperalgesic after around 30 minutes but that seems to be settling now. It's going to have to be calorie restriction.  :'(Shame, as I simply love a bit of NHS stodge & custard!  :thumbsup:


*Well, two pairs of hands actually - one to brace the leg and the other to hold a pair of molegrips.

Ouch!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 October, 2016, 12:52:19 am
When I am serious about losing weight (which I can't pretend to be the case right now, really) I try increasing the time between feeds and keeping my feeds of modest size.
This reduces overall energy intake, without appearing too geeky.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 30 October, 2016, 09:00:50 am
When I am serious about losing weight (which I can't pretend to be the case right now, really) I try increasing the time between feeds and keeping my feeds of modest size.
This reduces overall energy intake, without appearing too geeky.
I find the opposite is more effective - never going more than 3 hours without something. I try to have a piece of fruit or something between meals. I find it harder if I get too hungry and I also am more likely to suffer from reflux/heartburn etc if I have had a long gap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 November, 2016, 10:34:42 am
For about the last fortnight I have been avoiding dairy and refined sugar. This was after some discussion with That Peli of this parish, and in response to a very nasty arthritic flare-up. In that time the weight has fallen off me to the extent that this morning when I got on the scales I was under 19 stone. This represents about half a stone off in a fortnight. Clearly not sustainable in the long run, but the curious thing is that I haven't really felt all that hungry.

Am I missing certain foods? Yes, but not all that much. I made a batch of my wonderful marmalade last weekend and I have been unable to taste it without breaking the Banned Substances rule. I am contemplating making a small batch with muscovado sugar, which is not refined. One bonus was that, when I was searching for something or lunch yesterday, I discovered that Heinz minestrone soup has no added sugar or dairy, which seems to be quite unusual for tinned food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 19 November, 2016, 01:59:48 pm
Clearly not sustainable in the long run, but the curious thing is that I haven't really felt all that hungry.

Why would doing without refined sugar and or dairy be unsustainable in the long term?

Only the very rich had sugar until very recently. Admittedly we died much younger, but it wasn't from malnutrition.
Lots of cultures do without dairy- it's only really Europeans who developed the enzymes to tolerate lactose as adults and even that is apparently in the last couple of thousand years.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 November, 2016, 02:14:39 pm
Avoiding dairy and refined sugar (long-term) is very easy if you mostly eat at home.

Manufactured foods frequently contain sugar (and salt and fat).

I think we might be talking at crossed purposes; the weight loss rate is not sustainable but the diet is...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 November, 2016, 05:10:38 pm
Helly has it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 19 November, 2016, 08:30:17 pm
I'm pretty comfortable with dairy, provided it's whole and not skimmed. I was quite pleased to see the research published, in the media at least, that suggested that high fat cheese - including cheddar etc as well as the 'superfood' roquefort - Les to higher HDL levels and so was expected to be positive for heart health. Not a surprise to the LCHF fraternity of course.

I've continued managing down carb intake, except for after intensely knac, sorry, tiring training sessions and when I fail. I think that this means that I've just not been eating enough to maintain weight, and I do wonder how to either increase the fat intake or rebalance when I'm at a happy weight. I was 12st 9lbs this morning, albeit a little bit dehydrated.

I've also, like Wow, found that I haven't been hungry between meals and can happily run through to lunch if needs be without breakfast or, actually more impressive to me, eat a salad and an egg or a bit of cheese at lunch and function better than on a high carb meal until dinner.

Mike

PS not eating two helpings of everything helps! I am genuinely concerned about what to eat to maintain weight though. Who'd have thought it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 19 November, 2016, 08:37:59 pm
PS not eating two helpings of everything helps! I am genuinely concerned about what to eat to maintain weight though. Who'd have thought it.

(My Bold)

From what I've read, eat a Fuck-tonne of vegetables, dressed/sautéed with Olive Oil - add about 10% of your calories as Protein, mostly seafood.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 19 November, 2016, 09:36:39 pm
AIUI... the veggies add nutrients and fibre but generally the calories come from fat and protein. We only need so much protein so it's a matter of adjusting fat to meet total calorific needs. We're so conditioned to avoid fats that's pretty hard to get used to. I've started snacking on cheese but I crave stronger flavours. Pork scratchings provide a filling and strong tasting calorific hit when needed. See also chorizo sausage. I've never been one to miss breakfast though. A cheese omelette makes a great start to the day.

I can see how veggies and vegans might struggle on this sort of diet :)

Ive just about reached the point where I need more calories, especially as I'm riding more and it's getting cold now. I've started eating a LOT more nuts and oil, especially for cooking and salad dressings.Frozen berries and cream make a whizzo ice cream substitute/lo carb sweet treat.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 20 November, 2016, 03:25:23 pm
we have started making LCHF smoothies.  The latest one I think may make a good ice cream.

Frozen raspberries, coconut cream, real cream, vanilla essence and celery with ice cubes.  Blended in a strong 1000w blender this comes out with a taste very much like raspberry ice cream and with no sign of ice crystals..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 20 November, 2016, 04:58:20 pm
we have started making LCHF smoothies.  The latest one I think may make a good ice cream.

Frozen raspberries, coconut cream, real cream, vanilla essence and celery with ice cubes.  Blended in a strong 1000w blender this comes out with a taste very much like raspberry ice cream and with no sign of ice crystals..

Can't claim to be lchf, though much lower carb than in the past. I often start the day with a smoothie made with Greek yoghurt, a few cherries or raspberries and milk. Sometimes I add a teaspoon of cocoa. I enjoy, though not sure it's like ice cream - could swap out the yoghurt and milk for do le cream I suppose...

One thing I haven't got is the whole bulletproof coffee idea. Coffee is made to be drunk black as far as I am concerned.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 20 November, 2016, 05:02:56 pm
we have started making LCHF smoothies.  The latest one I think may make a good ice cream.

Frozen raspberries, coconut cream, real cream, vanilla essence and celery with ice cubes.  Blended in a strong 1000w blender this comes out with a taste very much like raspberry ice cream and with no sign of ice crystals..

And why the celery?

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 November, 2016, 05:14:25 pm
I have started having black coffee more as milky coffees add up to a lot of calorie intake. Milk is healthy but I like Matt Fitzgerald's approach in his diet quality score metric where things that he considers good only get a +ve score for the first few servings. Crowing out other good choices because you fill the diet with one thing isn't sensible.

As for weight loss - not happening. I'm gaining muscle mass, I think, though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 20 November, 2016, 10:19:36 pm
we have started making LCHF smoothies.  The latest one I think may make a good ice cream.

Frozen raspberries, coconut cream, real cream, vanilla essence and celery with ice cubes.  Blended in a strong 1000w blender this comes out with a taste very much like raspberry ice cream and with no sign of ice crystals..
Celery???? Why on earth would you put that near your mouth???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 November, 2016, 10:21:45 pm
we have started making LCHF smoothies.  The latest one I think may make a good ice cream.

Frozen raspberries, coconut cream, real cream, vanilla essence and celery with ice cubes.  Blended in a strong 1000w blender this comes out with a taste very much like raspberry ice cream and with no sign of ice crystals..
Celery???? Why on earth would you put that near your mouth???

That clearly begs the question [that's enough! ... ed.]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 November, 2016, 10:36:25 pm
Celery has some sweetness!?!? and other flavours. I appreciate many people detest the stuff.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 20 November, 2016, 10:49:14 pm
Celery is best put in the mouth of a guinea pig, who will cheerfully omnomnom its way to the end in a manner akin to a well-serviced dot-matrix printer and then whistle its out-of-celery alarm.  This is by far the most entertaining thing you can do with celery, and if you absolutely insist on obtaining nutritional value from the stuff, there's always the far more efficient option of eating the guinea pig.  (Though I wouldn't recommend it.  They eat their own poo.  Possibly to take away the taste of the celery.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: peliroja on 20 November, 2016, 10:57:21 pm
POTY  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 21 November, 2016, 12:39:49 am
I put a head of celery into my chilli pot. Best not tell anybody from Texas...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 21 November, 2016, 01:59:08 pm
Under 94kg for the first time in many moons. Now if I could just stay there that would be good
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 21 November, 2016, 03:14:06 pm
I put the celery in the smoothie for volume and fibre along with general green goodness. You simply cannot taste the celery but it adds volume.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 November, 2016, 11:42:45 am
The noisy flat line continues with a possible overall minimal loss.

For those who wish to enter a weight this coming Wednesday 30 November, I see that date is not on the table and you'll have to put it in yourself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 27 November, 2016, 03:51:32 pm
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161127/6f6da2c394a68480b68bbf20985831d0.jpg)

Noisy flat line is as good as it gets, isn't it?

Been on the Zwift pretty much reclusively / exclusively since being knocked off (consultant Occupational Health Physician attached to uni has recommended i be referred to CBT for trauma, but that's for another thread). Goal has been to keep the weight above my respiratory consultant's recommended floor of BMI 20, whilst building myself up for a crack at hyper randonneur plus LEL, after what's been my shittest year ever health wise.

Been trying to keep my protein intake up, eat interesting, enjoyable things, and limit myself to actual recovery sessions on rest days. When my three month chart looks that flat I'll be pleased, but that depends on steering clear of exacerbations and not training too hard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Samuel D on 27 November, 2016, 03:56:03 pm
Goal has been to keep the weight above my respiratory consultant's recommended floor of BMI 20

Do you know why your consultant wants to keep your BMI up? Wondering if my low BMI has something to do with my relatively frequent chest infections.

Good luck with your recovery and fitness goals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 27 November, 2016, 04:06:27 pm
Yes - I got diagnosed with bronchiectasis / alpha 1 anti trypisin deficiency after 6 chest infections in a year resulted in my old boss getting me CT scanned via the back door. Online bronchiectasis pais with much higher severity scores typically struggle to get up to bmi 18.5. If I get an infection, I can easily drop 2kg in a week. I'm lucky - my severity score is zero, and my  FEV1 is 5.76 - I seem to have been caught before my lung function is too screwed, albeit I've got mild cylindrical scarring throughout both lungs. A huge stash of Froome pills and antibiotics gets me out of jail when things get a bit "upper respiratory". Am slinging a Romandie dose down me at the mo' in an effort to keep things at bay.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 27 November, 2016, 05:32:13 pm
When I arrived on this island and heard about stones. I learned that I was 15 and bit of these rocky bits.

I just got of the scales and I'm under that for the first time since 1994.

206.4 lbs, 14 stones and 7 pebbles (isn't that how it works), 93.6 Kg.

Oh and the mutt is at a steady 16.5 Kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 November, 2016, 05:53:55 pm
Well done Woolly!

I still find stones useful as mental comparison tool;

BIG MAN = 20 stone
Large Man 15 stone
Slip of a lass - 8 stone

I don't think in kg even though I can convert easily.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: peliroja on 27 November, 2016, 05:57:12 pm
And with all this Pilates malarkey he's even got the start of a six pack. I can't say I mind, but he says he prefers a keg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 December, 2016, 03:03:48 pm
Yes - I got diagnosed with bronchiectasis / alpha 1 anti trypisin deficiency after 6 chest infections in a year resulted in my old boss getting me CT scanned via the back door. Online bronchiectasis pais with much higher severity scores typically struggle to get up to bmi 18.5. If I get an infection, I can easily drop 2kg in a week. I'm lucky - my severity score is zero, and my  FEV1 is 5.76 - I seem to have been caught before my lung function is too screwed, albeit I've got mild cylindrical scarring throughout both lungs. A huge stash of Froome pills and antibiotics gets me out of jail when things get a bit "upper respiratory". Am slinging a Romandie dose down me at the mo' in an effort to keep things at bay.

I didn't know that was physically possible. :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 04 December, 2016, 09:18:41 pm
Same as last week weigh in, even after a deposit ...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 December, 2016, 09:22:34 pm
Deposits are trivial. Leaks are heavier.
I was 0.7kg lighter on Saturday than Wednesday, but it's all noise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 04 December, 2016, 09:57:01 pm
To be honest there was leaking too :(      :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 11 December, 2016, 08:21:20 pm
.3kg down, definitely the lowest I have been in my adult life. I feel skinny now at 93.3kg, wonder if 90kg is too far. Not that it is a target or that I'm trying* but to say that I'm under 200 lbs sound like a nice thing to say.

*Have cut away sugar and sticking to health eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 December, 2016, 10:14:32 pm
You're doing very well, woolly!
For myself, it's the party season. I'll indulge and restart weighing at some point, but I don't know when.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob W on 12 December, 2016, 08:22:14 am
A chest cough and the attendant fortnight off the bike, plus eating too much CAEK, have meant I've been bumping around just over/under 100kg. Still, must be the lightest I've been in 5 or 6 years - immediate goal is to stay more or less static over the festive season.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 12 December, 2016, 08:29:34 am
A chest cough and the attendant fortnight off the bike, plus eating too much CAEK, have meant I've been bumping around just over/under 100kg. Still, must be the lightest I've been in 5 or 6 years - immediate goal is to stay more or less static over the festive season.

It's all about the damage limitation! If the mild-yet-dry weather holds, Rapha Festive 500 might help  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 14 December, 2016, 06:38:27 pm
No entry from me this week. I don't believe the figures from this morning so need to change the battery in the scales (which involves finding them first!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 December, 2016, 07:19:18 pm
You're doing very well, woolly!
For myself, it's the party season. I'll indulge and restart weighing at some point, but I don't know when.

Or when I'll reveal my weight to yacf if I do step on the scales.

This looks like I might not end the year lighter than I started it.

Too bad!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 18 December, 2016, 12:23:07 am
Just stepped on the scales for the first time since I-don't-even-remember. I wish I hadn't done that  :facepalm:

Having really battled with the black dog for the last six months or so, I knew I'd put on quite a bit but I didn't realise how much. Seventeen and a half stone. No wonder cycling (and therefore motivation for cycling) has been a struggle lately. And depression being the Utter Git that it is, seeing the damage I'm doing to myself is probably not going to help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 December, 2016, 12:32:22 am
Sympathies!
Comfort eating is understandable and possibly one of the less harmful black dog coping strategies.
The good news is that the really worst weight is easiest to lose.

Trying to lose weight before and during Christmas is probably unrealistic.

Try to keep your weight steady and tackle it with a vengeance in the New Year.

Good Luck! we're here to listen and help!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dibdib on 18 December, 2016, 12:37:42 am
Thanks Helly. Definitely trying to start 2017 with a bang - but also trying to use the rest of this year as a gentle run-up to it! Having Blu (the dopey greyhound) has helped too, when I can summon some energy. I walked about 9km today, mostly taking him around town and the long way home to try to wear him out.

Last club ride of the year tomorrow, so I'm going to try to drag myself out on that. It should be a gentle bimble up to our favourite pub, so manageable even for my hollow-feeling legs. The challenge will be getting up and out the door in time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 19 December, 2016, 10:03:32 am
Deposits are trivial. Leaks are heavier.
I was 0.7kg lighter on Saturday than Wednesday, but it's all noise.
Your deposits may be trivial, but all fboab about the effects of my very high fibre diet. Yesterday, I did 2600 kcal of exercise on top of my BMR, but despite being in my deficit to the tune of 1200kcal, the 3200kcal I did eat, along with the weird cyclical effect I see in my weight meant my weight leapt 1.2kg.

I type this from the bathroom. I should have done a before and after on the scales!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 December, 2016, 02:23:20 pm
AIUI average adult faecal weight is around 250g.
A high-fibre diet may double this (unreferenced supposition).
A pint of water weighs nearly 600g...

Osmotic shifts in and out of the gut are another 'noise' consideration.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 19 December, 2016, 03:35:52 pm
"I'm not overweight, I'm just full of sh!t"
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 December, 2016, 01:09:58 pm
Penultimate weight of the year.
Precisely the same as the first.
Ho hum...

Last weight of the year is MOAR.

Ho ho ho ho hum!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 28 December, 2016, 11:39:20 am
New weight report thread for those who want to play next year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 December, 2016, 11:57:03 am
Thanks, fboab.  :thumbsup:

Maybe next year will be a little more successful than this in the weight department.

[[ETA]]
400g up on the year. Could be worse but not really very successful.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 28 December, 2016, 08:14:35 pm
Many thanks fboab

I need to be more consistant.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 31 December, 2016, 11:41:28 am
Last time I weighed myself officially was in June. I've stepped on the scales a few times since but haven't dared to record the numbers. Think I'm up to about 84kg now. Possibly higher. It hasn't been a good year - lots of stress from work and home life. Have set myself a target of 72kg by the end of 2017. Have also signed up to Dry January.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 31 December, 2016, 01:39:55 pm
I've put on a few kilos over the last few months I guess (no scales to weigh myself on, hurrah).

However, I can't decide whether to actually do anything about it or to just live with it, knowing that in the summer I am usually lighter weight (for me).

When I was 29 I was 123kg and reduced to 68kg with a mega diet in 10 months; I maintained the lower weight for a few years and then it gradually crept up. It usually stabilises around 93kg but heads up to 100kg-ish around winter. I guess that's where I am now. I've been overweight my whole life, my default dress size is 18 and that's just how it is.

So I was reading a bit about low-carb, thinking that might be an idea for me, but I am coming to the conclusion that my apparently 'natural' weight is 93kg and if I don't do anything about it I tend to end up at that weight in the summer. I don't drink alcohol, have never smoked, have a relatively healthy diet (except for too many cakes and biscuits), live a relatively low-stress life, do lots and lots of exercise (cycling and walking) and I'm wondering if I should just accept that I'm fat but otherwise OK. Is it worth stressing about weight? I'm 45, I've been overweight for 40 of those years. Maybe I should just live with it, I'm not sure I have enough willpower to do much about it any more. There are more important things in life!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 31 December, 2016, 04:01:51 pm
There are more important things in life!

That sounds like the right attitude.

I am unhealthy and unfit and I know that losing some weight would help to improve my general wellbeing. If you are healthy and happy, why give yourself stress that you don't need?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 31 December, 2016, 07:55:44 pm
As I now have a set of bathroom scales* I can join in again. Particular effort will be required as I am away two nights a week so restaurant meals and less commuting miles.

I would like to have shifted 10 kg from my current 80kg for fear of following my fathers example and gaining his paunch.  :hand:






*Yes my Christmas list was that exciting
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 31 December, 2016, 10:15:07 pm
It's not been a good year, and though I'd step on the scales every now and then, I stopped recording back in April.  I picked up weighing again after returning from 3 weeks in the US, and I'm now cycling 4-5 days a week.  I wouldn't be daft enough to say I'm all gung-ho about this, but having made some progress these last two months I know I can get down to a more sensible weight.  When I way less cycling is easier, and therefore I have more fun.  I also have some clothes I'd like to be able to wear again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 December, 2016, 11:22:10 pm
Seems I've gained 2kg since end of 2015. Not convinced it's all muscle. Diet suspended today.

Mind you did train today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 31 December, 2016, 11:46:38 pm
I really do need to get my act together and lose some serious weight. Diabetes control is dangerously bad and the effects of being Hyperglycaemic most of the time are scaring the hell out of me! I'm now over 129kg, I was 89kg when I joined ACF, and I'm only 173cm tall. I MUST go Low carb', purely for the Diabetes control. I need to start "Doing Stuff and Moving About a bit", having More normal portions and STOP eating as one binge a day and following that up with crisps and chocolate. I also, as a result of the brain injuries, have Diabetes Insipidus so water levels in my body go up and down a lot but, prescribed, synthetic Hormone medications make that vary even more.

"Eat less, Move around More" is to be the main theme of my diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 01 January, 2017, 12:02:04 am
Will weigh in later when I take a shower, but it'll be around 98kgs, which is the heaviest I've ever been. Further, I've done very little exercise the last 8 months (and not a lot in the months prior to that), so I've lost a lot of muscle,  which means I'm also at my highest body fat % ever.
BP is up (back on meds now for the first time in many many years), migraines are very frequent and I blame it all on being fat.
So, goal is to get near the 80kg mark by the end of the year, which is pretty optimistic, but I also know that it is doable. The first bit of flab should come off easily with some discipline. It'll be a low-carb diet and I will probably also introduce a calorie count after a month or so. Initially I just want to start lifting weights, eyeball the portion sizes and scrap the sugary snacks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 01 January, 2017, 12:06:18 am
Isn't that a bit drastic, being for you about only eight and a bit left hours of the year ... that only works if you are still on the west coast of Canada :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: T42 on 01 January, 2017, 09:37:49 am
I'm on 71 kg this morning, which is 2.5 kg more than my lightest last year but 3 kg less than 1st Jan last year.  I'm aiming at 68 kg (for my 1m74) and should get there once I start riding regularly again, i.e. when there's no risk of ice.  I'll also be out in the workshop more often and spending less time on this damned computer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 01 January, 2017, 10:18:41 am
Re AH's post: 

I was told that I was overweight from the age of just 5.   Looking at old photos though I certainly was not imo.   I have always had a large frame with broad shoulders and limbs like girders.   

This weight issue bugged me for years.  In the late eighties I was running 80 miles a week and it was two weeks before my first London marathon.   At my MOT the plump little nurse pronounced me obese.   This was clearly ridiculous but her chart said so so that must be right.  No?

I have mainly tried to not give a flying .... any more but tend to judge myself on how I feel in health terms.   I would feel better in myself if I lost some weight, or would I?   Having had that 'nagging' at the back of my mind for close on fifty years perhaps I will never be happy with myself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 01 January, 2017, 10:43:22 am
Well the nurses chart would like me at 83kg and that would just be wrong as I would be a bag of bones. I'm under 95kg for the first time in eons and do feel very good. Though how much better, if any gain, closer to say 90 I don't know, a kg or so more would do the job for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 01 January, 2017, 11:03:23 am
''Forgive me father for I have sinned   :demon:''   Up 5.3 kg since last Jan  :facepalm:, but interestingly only up 1 kg since last  weigh in back in June. This is mainly due to my work commitments that require vehicular transport ( its a tad difficult carrying cement and plasterboard on a bike) and also a series of continual unwellinesses including Being knocked off, viral chest infection,  a cold, suspected viral meningitis, chest infection,  stress fracture of the metatarsals in my left foot, followed a week later by 4 days in Amsterdam, walking prob 8 hrs a day, meaning that by the time i flew home  my foot was 'well bloated' and very painful, and of course, :facepalm: throughout these times , battling the black dog with the contents of the alcohol cpd.

But 2017 is a NEW year,  and I am determined NOT to get any fatter, drink MUCH MUCH less, be fitter,  kick back,  and enjoy the simpler life abit more.  Now then ....where's my pint? ;)
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 01 January, 2017, 01:43:29 pm
Just measured my waist at 100cm, which is pretty shocking - that's a height:waist ratio of 0.57.

It's not so long ago that it was 0.45.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 January, 2017, 03:16:13 pm
My waist is still about 33". That would be 84cm so 0.46 ratio. It's hardly changed despite weight gain, I have put the weight on in a healthy way.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 01 January, 2017, 04:10:51 pm
I'm 45, I've been overweight for 40 of those years. Maybe I should just live with it, I'm not sure I have enough willpower to do much about it any more. There are more important things in life!

Being a health psych, my sense is that your experience is entirely normal - successful weightloss is so rarely maintained, there's a database of people who kept the weight off. I get money from research councils to develop and evaluate interventions to promote weight loss because UK people are cheaper when they are skinnier. Whether you should live with it is your choice - there's a chance you'll experience less morbidity, but that the benefits of a lower BMI are less than you think. Even still, probably will be cheaper for society.

(https://static-content.springer.com/image/art%3A10.1186%2Fs12889-016-3299-z/MediaObjects/12889_2016_3299_Fig2_HTML.gif)

What's interesting to me is the willpower thing. My PhD was in the area of models of motivation and their ability to account for intervention induced behaviour change in the context of obesity protective behaviour. In plain english (or as plain as I can do), my PhD looked at whether when exposed to efforts to change diet or exercise, is it individual's motivation that makes the difference. The answer from my studies was "mostly no". My mate Tom, who also is an audaxer, did a landmark meta-analysis that showed that across all behaviours, it takes a huge change in motivation to bring about a little change in behaviour.

TL:DR - don't rely on will power. Change your environment so that good habits* are sustained by default, and self-monitor rather than put your head in the sand.

*what those good habits are is beyond my expertise, but the results from that database are...

45% of registry participants lost the weight on their own and the other 55% lost weight with the help of some type of program.
98% of Registry participants report that they modified their food intake in some way to lose weight.
94% increased their physical activity, with the most frequently reported form of activity being walking.
There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
 
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh themselves at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 01 January, 2017, 05:16:56 pm
TL:DR - don't rely on will power. Change your environment so that good habits* are sustained by default, and self-monitor rather than put your head in the sand.

That's fine until external stuff breaks you out of your routine, which is exactly what happened to me. I'd got to a point a few years ago where I was finding it easy to maintain the good habits but then shit happened... And kept on happening. A relentless tide of shit.

I really need to find a way to get back into those good habits in spite of the shit. I guess that's where willpower comes in.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 01 January, 2017, 05:54:45 pm

That's fine until external stuff breaks you out of your routine, which is exactly what happened to me. I'd got to a point a few years ago where I was finding it easy to maintain the good habits but then shit happened... And kept on happening. A relentless tide of shit.

I really need to find a way to get back into those good habits in spite of the shit. I guess that's where willpower comes in.

Motivation (wanting, not willpower*, which is more self regulatory) is necessary to get started, but not sufficient. The behaviour change technique we use is called implementation intentions. The technique is described as strategic automatisation - ie a shortcut to making a novel behaviour habitual. The idea is that you tie a stable cue (that's is associated with an opportunity to act in service of a goal you hold) with the performance of that behaviour by reciting an IF - THEN plan. For example, I'm working on core stability and on hamstring flexibility. My IF THEN are...

IF the kids are in bed and I am boiling the kettle, THEN I'll plank for 90 seconds

IF the kids are in bed and I'm going up the stairs, THEN I'll do calf, hamstring and quad stretches.

There's really strong evidence that the this technique is great for developing habits. There are equivalent versions for coping with setbacks and for getting back after relapsing, but they use the same IF Then format.

There's also some cute studies showing that changing environment when you've got stable habits in place is a great way of breaking those habits. I could bore you with detail of the memory processes that underpin the technique, but I'll try to stop... It's a really fun area of research.

*I think of willpower as conscientiousness - the ability to stick to something. I think I have very low conscientiousness, but I've developed lots of self regulatory strategies so I don't have to rely on willpower. I use tools like getting things done, pomodoro, agile, etc. I'm a huge fan of decision aids, planning, self monitoring, and the like. I think it's cruel that some people aren't equipped with the traits or skills required to turn their goals into intentions then in to action. I wish there were more powerful behaviour change techniques, and that the ones that do work were more widely disseminated in useable formats.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 01 January, 2017, 07:01:25 pm
This weight issue bugged me for years.  In the late eighties I was running 80 miles a week and it was two weeks before my first London marathon.   At my MOT the plump little nurse pronounced me obese.

Using BMI as a reference, Mike Tyson, at his prime, was way up on the obesity scale.

I had similar experience (as you, not Tyson!), when I was at my fittest. Nurse looked at the chart, looked at me and said "According to this I should mark you as obese, but you clearly aren't, so I'll just but normal down instead".

I haven't seen any one use neither a scale or a BMI chart here in Canada.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 January, 2017, 08:14:45 pm
Well, I've surpassed myself. 95 fucking kilos today.
The rowing challenge put the brakes on the (slow) weight loss I'd been managing after the end of the audax season- having inevitably gained umpteen kilos doing all those McFuelled overnighters, and I have enjoyed Christmas, in a feasting way.

Back to the goddamn grindstone.


My BMI is 35. That's because I'm fat. Very few of us, here, are actually large framed, heavily muscled, whatever. If your BMI is over 30, you're probably fat. Size 18 is fat,  I know this as I'm having to buy new work trousers because  my size 16s aren't doing the job. It's a bit annoying as I threw out the last lot of emergency fat bastard trousers when we moved.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 January, 2017, 08:42:28 pm
Unfortunately fboab speaks the truth.
Some of the thinnest people I know have HUGE bones, looking at their wrists.

I visually assess folk by looking at the chin/neck region, upper arms, bum & tums as well as wrists.

Good luck with all your hopes for 2017!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 January, 2017, 12:23:12 am
BMI < 25 conversely does not mean you are automatically fine. Could be skinny fat. Thin legs and fat belly. These are not healthy.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 January, 2017, 12:51:14 am
Indeed. Chin/upper neck usually represents visceral fat fairly accurately.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedal Castro on 02 January, 2017, 07:44:58 am
I did an experiment last night regarding mass loss during sleep. Obviously you are going to weigh less in the morning compared with the evening  but how much less?

I weighed myself just before sleep, half way through the night after 4 hours sleep, and then again in the morning after 8 hours.

0.6lb lost each 4 hours and 1.2lb in total. This I assume is a combination of perspiration and respiration. After a wee total overnight mass loss was 2.8lbs and exactly 1lb less than the same time yesterday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 02 January, 2017, 07:59:58 am
BMI around 45 now  :'(
I've just let things pass, it's time to change my daily routines again.
I've done it before so I can do it again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: T42 on 02 January, 2017, 08:16:17 am
Well the nurses chart would like me at 83kg and that would just be wrong as I would be a bag of bones. I'm under 95kg for the first time in eons and do feel very good. Though how much better, if any gain, closer to say 90 I don't know, a kg or so more would do the job for me.

After I was stented in 2008 they put me on a diet for diabetics. I started at 72 kg, already fit as a fiddle, and a few months later I was down to 64 kg, suffering intense leg pain and frequent bonk when cycling. Everyone thought I was deathly ill. After going through umpteen examinations and neurological tests because all the quacks thought I was suffering from anything but starvation, I said bollocks to the lot and started eating like a human again: it all went away.

Beware medicals who don't ride bikes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 January, 2017, 02:23:44 pm
Looks like I won't be alone, feeling fraudulent, at the bottom of the charts!
Yay!

Welcome phanta!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob W on 02 January, 2017, 09:31:43 pm
Christmas damage limitation was not that successful; continued lurgy, sedentary activity, and a surfiet of mince pies and trifle meant I went from just under 100kg at the end of November to 103 or so. Back on the 5:2 wagon again now, and cargobike nursery runs should start again his week, so hopefully the trend line will be heading the right way again soon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sg37409 on 02 January, 2017, 09:41:21 pm
Going to try to go to bed tonight feeling hungry. I cannot remember the last time I ever did this. I seem to have less will power for this resistance than anything else I'm trying to give up / cut back on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 02 January, 2017, 10:22:27 pm
I got slimmer of the week and slimmer of the month today at SW. The prize consisted of 2 fridge magnets and 2 tins - one of vegetable soup and one of peas. 1st 10lbs down so far  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 January, 2017, 10:24:14 pm
Well done Butterfly!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 January, 2017, 09:06:01 am
Clarion - it's 2017 mate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: The Movers on 03 January, 2017, 12:18:59 pm
Clarion - it's 2017 mate.

Sorry,

Should have stickied 2017 sooner.
Done now...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 03 January, 2017, 01:22:01 pm
I've piled on the pounds/kilos, starting in Autumn and ending yesterday. 

It's not like it took me by surprise, and all bets are off over Christmas.  It's frustrating that I didn't hold on to my PBP2015 weight and fitness (it's the fittest I've ever been in my life I reckon) but I've spent 54 years realising that I can't walk past a perfectly good Pork pie.

It just means that, once again, it's back to the weight-loss regime.

I think there's a part of my brain that doesn't do anything unless there's a challenge involved or a deadline to meet. 
That must be the case or why would I be so good at dieting (I really am) but so lousy at staying slim and fit (I really am)?

I have a broken brain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 03 January, 2017, 04:21:23 pm
I made a small, but in my case positive, start to the year. New Years Day, 01:30hrs!, I went for a small Pootle on the Trike. I walked a bit later in the day too. FUD wasn't good as I am using up the BAD that I already have so crisps were consumed.
Yesterday I went for another short ride, too cold and icy for more, with my Sister, Sprogs OTP, and had a walk to, and around, my local park. Dinner was a Pizza and coleslaw, I'd normally have 2 pizzas per sitting. No crisps or chocolate.
Today I'm not riding as it's too cold and the Diabetes pain in my legs is bad. I did, however, have a walk round Lancaster and tonight I'll eat the Existing Pizza for dinner before getting serious with the FUD tomorrow.
I already feel slightly better so, if I can do a little bit, regularly, I'm heading in the right direction.
15th April is the 21st anniversary of breaking my BRANE and going Comatose. I was around 85 kg when that happened and, with no unavoidable changes outside of my control, my eventual  "Firework Display anna Speech" is to get below that. I actually feel positive and, vaguely, confident about it all.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 03 January, 2017, 04:40:59 pm
Well, I've surpassed myself. 95 fucking kilos today.
The rowing challenge put the brakes on the (slow) weight loss I'd been managing after the end of the audax season- having inevitably gained umpteen kilos doing all those McFuelled overnighters, and I have enjoyed Christmas, in a feasting way.

Back to the goddamn grindstone.


My BMI is 35. That's because I'm fat. Very few of us, here, are actually large framed, heavily muscled, whatever. If your BMI is over 30, you're probably fat. Size 18 is fat,  I know this as I'm having to buy new work trousers because  my size 16s aren't doing the job. It's a bit annoying as I threw out the last lot of emergency fat bastard trousers when we moved.
Yebbut under your mcfuelled fat, you have a big-rig heart and lungs. Fit and fat is probably the right description? I put on weight when I exercise, fat as well as muscle. You may be the same.

My daughter scares me. She's pretty much sedentary and she can't stop eating. Her and her husband stayed for a few lovely days over christmas and I swear they ate more than 4 other people put together. Non-stop. They've had 3 weeks in India and their reports from India are like a foodie guide to the country.
I know with my family history I'm a bit fat-paranoid, but sedentary plus over eating and an already poor self-image are a terrible combination.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Samuel D on 03 January, 2017, 04:42:48 pm
Good man, Pedaldog. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 03 January, 2017, 05:07:57 pm
I gave up monitoring my weight at the latter end of last year. My brother's taken up crossfit so now I have someone to chase weight wise. Should be a fun few months.

Going to give keeping a emotion/food diary go. ie Carry a diary and write down whether you're eating because you're hungry or because you're bored, also logging whether or not you feel hungry/full/uncomfortably full. Apparently the moment of reflection required to write "because I'm bored" or having written down "full" before going for seconds should be enough to keep you from over eating/snacking.  The fact that I can carry on eating when already full shows that my feedback doesn't seem to working properly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 January, 2017, 08:21:23 am
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Target for this year is reduced variation. Am bored of the pattern of gaining weight as I ride more, especially when I start doing longer audax. Aiming to go hyper and do LEL this year, so this will be a decent challenge for me.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 04 January, 2017, 11:03:55 am
Back on the 5:2 intermittent fasting regime as of this week.

Hit an all-time heavy weight of 86.6kg over the festive period, having fallen off the dieting wagon in November. The kilograms are difficult to lose, all too easy to put back on.

As well as the fasting, I'm looking at an exercise regime for non-fasting days. The rather old school Commando 7 exercises appeal: anyone tried these? I was inspired after chatting to an 83 year old bloke at a Hogmanay party (as you do). He's been doing Commando 7 since the 1970s, he's slim, as fit as a fiddle and looks more like someone in their mid-sixties than his real age.

Of course I'll be cycling too but that's a given..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 January, 2017, 04:02:29 pm
I'm not sure if reducing variation is practically possible.
Speaking for myself only, there can be fluctuations of ± 0.8kg with no change in exercise and little in diet.

Sticking to ultra-regular meals and drinks would mean I'd never go out/away.

I'm half a kilo down on last week, despite three nights away and some Big Hotel Meals as well as dreadful constipation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2017, 04:09:54 pm
On my to-do list for this evening should be get the graph update for first weigh-in of 2017.

Hopefully it should Just Work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 04 January, 2017, 04:24:15 pm
The rather old school Commando 7 exercises appeal: anyone tried these?

Not wearing underpants will only save a few ounces.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 04 January, 2017, 05:03:22 pm
Speaking for myself only, there can be fluctuations of ± 0.8kg with no change in exercise and little in diet.

I'm getting back into weighing myself daily. Today I was 1.5kg down on yesterday. Won't take me long to hit my target of 12kg loss at this rate! On the other hand, I won't be at all surprised if I'm 2kg up again tomorrow. As I know from past experience, it's long-term trends that matter, not short-term fluctuations.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 04 January, 2017, 08:48:16 pm

Target for this year is reduced variation. Am bored of the pattern of gaining weight as I ride more, especially when I start doing longer audax. Aiming to go hyper and do LEL this year, so this will be a decent challenge for me.


7% body fat is rather low. (and doesn't really correspond with the BMI of 20?). Are you use you need to lose weight?:)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2017, 08:58:42 pm
His target weight is his current weight, so I don't think he means to lose weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 January, 2017, 09:05:03 pm
I'm not sure if reducing variation is practically possible.
Speaking for myself only, there can be fluctuations of ± 0.8kg with no change in exercise and little in diet.

Sticking to ultra-regular meals and drinks would mean I'd never go out/away.

I'm half a kilo down on last week, despite three nights away and some Big Hotel Meals as well as dreadful constipation.
I'm only looking for +/- 2kg rather than the +/- 5kg I've typically seen. Not fussed about daily fluctuations - indeed, I like that Garmin's default snapshot in connect mobile is the weekly average.

Btw, I read two things that made me think of things you've said this week. First was that Sloths can lose a third of their body weight when they poo. Second was that in a trial to find the limits of the benefits of fruit and veg consumption, people in the huge number of portions per week had the biggest "deposits"


Target for this year is reduced variation. Am bored of the pattern of gaining weight as I ride more, especially when I start doing longer audax. Aiming to go hyper and do LEL this year, so this will be a decent challenge for me.


7% body fat is rather low. (and doesn't really correspond with the BMI of 20?). Are you use you need to lose weight?:)

No, I want to maintain weight. I don't need to lose more. Indeed, when I was down below 18.5, I felt awful everywhere but hills (albeit my training stress balance was >100, and I was reacting badly to meds).

In terms of whether 7% is correct, whilst I wouldn't want to defend BIA measures of body composition, I've had DEXA, and got the same number when I was a kilo lighter, but hadn't been training as hard or had a strategy for maintaing a sensible protein intake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 January, 2017, 09:18:57 pm

Target for this year is reduced variation. Am bored of the pattern of gaining weight as I ride more, especially when I start doing longer audax. Aiming to go hyper and do LEL this year, so this will be a decent challenge for me.


7% body fat is rather low. (and doesn't really correspond with the BMI of 20?). Are you use you need to lose weight?:)

Dr Mekon is tall and tall people have a high BMI for a relatively low fat percentage simply because BMI relates weight to the square of height, not its cube...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 04 January, 2017, 09:36:56 pm
Clarion - it's 2017 mate.
The hazards of accessing the forum on a phobile moan :-[

Anyway, I have now joined the modern world in 2017, and am trying hard at this weight business.  Aiming for 100kg initially, and 85 longer term. Perhaps 80 if I can manage it.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2017, 09:48:24 pm
I'm 80kg. Meet you half way?  ;D  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 04 January, 2017, 09:58:41 pm
7% is what elite athletes will be at (or thereabouts). For a normal person, it's very low :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2017, 10:06:28 pm
Very pleased that I start this year about 8 kilos less than I started last year. Mind you, last year's Christmas was just one long binge. This year, I have had a good run-up, having given up dairy and refined sugar in early November. My weight loss was immediate: 3 weeks later I was more than 4 kilos lighter. Since then, everything has slowed down remarkably. I did have a "diet holidayt" over Christmas, but not by that much.

I'm doing the "Dry January" thing again - although I will have alcohol when in company of other drinkers. That will probably be only twice or three times in the entire month.

I think my default position is now no-dairy-no-sugar. I am hoping that in the longer term this will see a steady, if slow, loss of weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2017, 10:14:15 pm
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that SwarmCatcher is not 1.74cm tall.

It's rather broken the BMI graph.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2017, 10:20:33 pm
Simple work-around: if a user's height is claimed as <1m, multiply by 100.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 04 January, 2017, 10:53:29 pm
7% is what elite athletes will be at (or thereabouts). For a normal person, it's very low :).

I think elite cyclists are nearer 4%, and at least a couple of the riders in the pub group I go out with have lower BF%. Still, it's enough to elicit comments from medics and junkies on my veins. TBH, this makes it look worse than it is, in that DEXA showed I'm 5% body fat up top, and 12% down below. My legs aren't this veiney. I was 7.1% on DEXA at 70kg.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 04 January, 2017, 11:56:08 pm
Right...I should have said healthy elite athletes. I don't think 4% is sustainable and certainly do not look at in-tour road cyclists has healthy (body) role models.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Samuel D on 05 January, 2017, 10:18:45 am
Very, very few people have 4% body fat. Froome was at 9.8% in August 2015, in the physiological data he released, down from 16.7% in 2007 (when he was slightly pudgy by pro cyclist standards but still slim).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 January, 2017, 12:23:51 pm
Our scales say 22% for me.

I hope that's inaccurate. I don't have DrMekon's veins, though.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 January, 2017, 12:29:32 pm
Our scales say 22% for me.

I hope that's inaccurate. I don't have DrMekon's veins, though.

I'm heavier than you, and certainly less trained currently; my scales claim I'm 22.5%, so surely you'd be less? Dr Volio (FOTP) was/is pretty vocal about the inaccuracy of absolute figures from these machines. FWIW, the reading does seem to go down when I'm leaner, but I'm still not convinced it's measuring anything useful.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 January, 2017, 12:43:15 pm
Our scales say 22% for me.

I hope that's inaccurate. I don't have DrMekon's veins, though.

I'm heavier than you, and certainly less trained currently; my scales claim I'm 22.5%, so surely you'd be less? Dr Volio (FOTP) was/is pretty vocal about the inaccuracy of absolute figures from these machines. FWIW, the reading does seem to go down when I'm leaner, but I'm still not convinced it's measuring anything useful.

Indeed; I think realistically (based on quick and dirty skinfold check) it's somewhere between 15% and 20%.

The scales can't tell if increased upper body weight is fat or muscle. The mirror says it's a bit of both, my core, shoulders and arms have got stronger from rowing. The number has been stuck in the 22-24% range for the last 12 months or so.

Currently I'm trying to run a small calorie deficit, but actually undershooting by quite a long way most days due to several c. 1000 calorie workouts in TrainerRoad each week, plus rowing training, and having cut down on large milky coffees, replacing then with unsweetened espresso.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 05 January, 2017, 12:55:00 pm
Very, very few people have 4% body fat. Froome was at 9.8% in August 2015, in the physiological data he released, down from 16.7% in 2007 (when he was slightly pudgy by pro cyclist standards but still slim).

Some pros get down to 4% at the end of strenuous tours, like TdF, but their doctors also know that they are very susceptible to illness at that level, and I suspect they do their utmost to increase their body fat.  Low body fat is an advantage up to a certain degree. 
When you're relying on fat reserves to get you through repetitive a long days in the saddle then there's only so much you can lose before your immune system starts complaining.

It's fair to say that my immune system has no immediate concerns.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 05 January, 2017, 02:02:15 pm
It's fair to say that my immune system has no immediate concerns.

Ahh. Everyone I know has had Christmas Lurgy, apart from me. I've been quite intimate (ooo er, missus) with a bunch of snotty folk and I'm fit as an ox.

Protected By Lard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 January, 2017, 02:18:17 pm
Our scales say 22% for me.

I hope that's inaccurate. I don't have DrMekon's veins, though.

Dr Volio (FOTP) was/is pretty vocal about the inaccuracy of absolute figures from these machines. FWIW, the reading does seem to go down when I'm leaner, but I'm still not convinced it's measuring anything useful.

Yes, I was very sniffy about impedance, and I'm entirely open to the possibility that me getting 7.1% on DEXA and 7% on Garmin index is a case of "even a stopped clock..."

I have access to a BodPod at work, but I tried it when I was 65kg, and it said I was 2% body fat, which was clearly nonsense. Our conclusion at work was that it's just not calibrated for very low levels of body fat. There are DEXA scanners on campus, but when I was last scanned, I was told they have to charge a scan as a £300 cost - I can't see myself getting that as a freebie.

In terms of what is healthy for middle aged men, I don't think there's consensus (although being overweight when you are old seems protective). One of the nutrition profs at work said he'd have no concerns at 6% body fat. However, my respiratory consultant suggested I maintain 70.6kg to give me some reserve in case of an exacerbation.

I wish I'd been scanned at >100kg before I started cycling to work regularly
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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 07 January, 2017, 01:20:12 am
I weighed in on Thursday, got confused what day it was, and in the 1 st week of diet and exercise (limited as I have bad Sciatica and the Meniere's makes moving around a bit risky) I've lost around 2 kg. Very pleased with that, I'd settle for 1 kg a week lost. I think I've found a way to ease some of the brain injury symptoms a little bit and am feeling quite positive with that. All helps the Motivation work for me,
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 08 January, 2017, 07:34:00 pm
I've now added my target. It's very conservative. Can I get down to my minimum weight of last year before the anniversary of reaching that weight? I (hope I) will be updating this as we go through the year.
We have our 'fat club' at work again this year. As I am now working in a team as opposed to being on a project of one (unlike the last two years) there may be more support (or nagging) involved. Let's hope so.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2017, 11:56:58 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3458836/Can-really-survive-eating-POTATOES-year-man-risk-health.html

Apologies for Daily Mail.

He's lost 10kg in 4 weeks eating nothing but potatoes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 January, 2017, 12:00:44 pm
I'm sure it's been done before.

I don't want to die of boredom at any weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2017, 12:06:27 pm
The Irish did it for a lot longer (not 100% potato diet but not that far off).

The Tukisenta lived on a very high-carb (estimated as over 90%) diet based largely on sweet potatoes. They didn't end up with the obesity crisis that the West has.

The other experiment like this that I'm aware of lasted only 60 days. The vitamin deficiencies will take longer to kick in. If I was to pull a stunt like this I'd take some supplements.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 January, 2017, 12:17:47 pm
I'm sure boredom is the reason that may lose weight on any single food diet.
It's much easier to eat something interesting/tasty/different than unlimited quantities of 'same old, same old'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 09 January, 2017, 05:55:05 pm
Of course it's possible to lose weight on a mainly carb diet. It's still about calories in/calories out. However, the low carb diet tackles our sugar addiction head-on, which I think is why it's easier to get results that way. It's simply easier to control what you eat when you cut down on the carbs. (and you can still maintain a reasonable variety).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 09 January, 2017, 06:04:33 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3458836/Can-really-survive-eating-POTATOES-year-man-risk-health.html

Apologies for Daily Mail.

He's lost 10kg in 4 weeks eating nothing but potatoes.

Potatoes should not be lumped into the same category of carbohydrate source as pasta and rice. They are 80% water so not that calorie dense and have a high content of Vitamin C and other micronutrients.

http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrientprofile&dbid=101 (http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrientprofile&dbid=101)

In fact , some nutritionists suggest that boiled potatoes should have been included in the 5-a- day mix.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2017, 06:53:50 pm
I agree with Madcow. "Potatoes are just carbs" is an unfortunate oversimplification.

However if you cut them up and fry them in fat, they (chips) are highly associated with weight gain because they become much more calorific and very more-ish.

This is why I tend to avoid making chips and will either bake or mash them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 January, 2017, 07:10:41 pm
Starchy carbs are a convenient and tasty carrier for sugar and fat.

Boiled potatoes are fairly benign.

Fry spuds in oil and dip into ketchup/BBQ sauce and you have a very different animal.

'Dry' bread is not that bad but add butter and jam...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 11 January, 2017, 07:35:22 am
Going the wrong way this week.  I need to get back on track.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 January, 2017, 12:42:14 pm
0.1kg down. Every little helps or NOISE?
Only time will tell...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 11 January, 2017, 12:59:30 pm
Weight: -0.6kg
Neck: -0.5cm
Waist: -1cm

Almost certainly NOISE, but a very pleasant kind of NOISE.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 11 January, 2017, 02:09:18 pm
-1.4kg ?!?  But I've been every in between this and last week's weight, up and down.  I hope the downward trend continues, but gentler, though I won't be upset if things balance out a bit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 11 January, 2017, 02:12:03 pm
Stasis for me since last week, but at least the 2kg initial (water loss) drop has stayed off. Past experience suggests if I keep going I should start to see noticeable progress about one month in. Here's hoping...

Oh I've started the daily exercise regime too (Royal Marine Commando 7). If anyone's old enough and lives in North East England, you may remember it was originally devised for Tyne Tees TV in the early 1970s... Includes LOTS of press ups and sit ups!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 January, 2017, 02:15:11 pm
0.2kg lost. What do you mean that's noise?!
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Post by: Auntie Helen on 11 January, 2017, 03:10:20 pm
4kg lost in my first week on LCHF. Mostly water I guess, but my trousers are definitely looser!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 11 January, 2017, 06:29:21 pm
After a week of keto I weigh....
EXACTLY the same as last Wednesday! The exciting loss immediately after Christmas was probably just the rebound after too much turkey.
At least I've stopped the upward trend, and I did drink a bottle of red on my birthday so that must have set me back a bit.

Ho hum, need to study this keto thing in more depth. I suspect I'll be registering with My Fitness Pal and counting lots of esoteric numbers.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 11 January, 2017, 06:35:45 pm
I am logging with MyFitnessPal at the moment so I can get a hang of the carbs in my diet.

I have set it up for 1880 calories a day with a 10% carb, 20% protein and 70% fat target which I am pretty much keeping to. Carbs are 47 a day (according to MFP) and I am generally under 40, but this is not including the fibre which for some foods can be subtracted from the carb total. I do look at the fibre as well and in my head award half of that value as a reduction in carbs. Unfortunately German nutritional labelling doesn't include fibre. I am generally under 15g of fibre a day but the internal pipework is still working OK.

For this month at least I will keep to the weight loss calorie target but after the month I may just worry about the carbs and not the calories, assuming I can get a handle on the carb counting. I am a bit Penibel (as the Germans say) and weigh all my food and write it into MFP so I am really sure I am doing it properly. But so far so good. I felt a bit hungry today but I think my lunch choice was too low in fat (!!!!) which is why the hunger came. I ate 50g and cheddar and that fixed it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 January, 2017, 06:36:34 pm
0.2kg lost. What do you mean that's noise?!

 :) ;) ;D.

0.1 kg/week for a year = 5.2kg
0.2 kg/week for a year = 10.4kg...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 11 January, 2017, 08:04:51 pm
0.2 kg/week for a year = 10.4kg...
That would be just fine...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 January, 2017, 08:21:29 pm
0.2 kg/week for a year = 10.4kg...
That would be just fine...

Indeed.
Every little helps.

I would be more than happy with 5.2kg for the year!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 11 January, 2017, 10:28:51 pm
Back to the pre-Christmas weight.
Just the rowing weight, the audaxing weight, the moving house weight and the first 3 disastrous relationships post-separation weight to go!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ruthie on 12 January, 2017, 09:06:40 am
Yes, it's time I got rid of the baby weight really.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 12 January, 2017, 10:31:04 am
Weight: -0.6kg
Neck: -0.5cm
Waist: -1cm

Almost certainly NOISE, but a very pleasant kind of NOISE.

don't think it noise, -1cm, its great.!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 January, 2017, 10:50:44 am
Yes, it's time I got rid of the baby weight really.
Shit, I missed that off the list!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 13 January, 2017, 12:31:23 am
I agree with Madcow. "Potatoes are just carbs" is an unfortunate oversimplification.

However if you cut them up and fry them in fat, they (chips) are highly associated with weight gain because they become much more calorific and very more-ish.

This is why I tend to avoid making chips and will either bake or mash them.

You don't mind eating them when I fry them though  ;D
(I should probably add I always make chips from the whole thing including the skins- and use olive oil, and our potatoes are organic ones)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 13 January, 2017, 12:01:45 pm
-1.4kg ?!?  But I've been every in between this and last week's weight, up and down.  I hope the downward trend continues, but gentler, though I won't be upset if things balance out a bit.

Balance restored, and all it took was a day off the bike a little more eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 17 January, 2017, 12:44:04 am
Down with a cold over the weekend and shed 2kgs! I'm sure it's mostly water and will all be back on Wednesday, but it was still good to see.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 January, 2017, 08:22:26 am
No change in my weight this week but another cm off my waist is hugely encouraging - I'm convinced this is entirely down to cutting out booze.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 January, 2017, 10:46:07 am
Dropped 0.9kg.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 18 January, 2017, 11:24:29 am
Was up 0.5kg yesterday, am down .2kg today. All just noise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 18 January, 2017, 11:27:04 am
Was up 0.5kg yesterday, am down .2kg today. All just noise.
Or a poop :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 18 January, 2017, 11:27:48 am
Or a poop :)

That's an awful lot of poop!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 18 January, 2017, 11:36:45 am
Dropping about a kilo a week so far. Normally I go off track once I go away on holiday, but no holidays booked this year, so no unlimited hotel buffet breakfasts for the weight loss train to derail on.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 January, 2017, 11:56:10 am
Down a bit.
Now down 1.3kg since New Year.
Weigh almost exactly my estimated mean for 2016.
<yawn>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 18 January, 2017, 12:16:37 pm
Or a poop :)

That's an awful lot of poop!

I eat a lot of fruit and veg and an awful lot of fibre :)

Mate reckoned he can drop 5lbs on a good day. Impressive.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 January, 2017, 12:27:11 pm
Or a poop :)

That's an awful lot of poop!

I eat a lot of fruit and veg and an awful lot of fibre :)

Mate reckoned he can drop 5lbs on a good day. Impressive.

OTOH I eat quite a lot of fruit and veg but still have a tendency to constipation.
I have seen no effect reflected on my evening weight by any bowel activity earlier in the day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 18 January, 2017, 03:10:10 pm
A prof here has data on over 1100 participants poop, but it may just be Bristol Stool Chart. If there's weight, I'll report back.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 18 January, 2017, 03:48:22 pm
Data point: 600gm.

Just sayin'.

I don't eat an enormous (I'd even call it Mekon-esque  ;) ) amount of fibre, because when I tried the Mekon-diet, it didn't stop me feeling hungry, it just made me shit every 2 hrs. TMI there, sorry.
:-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 18 January, 2017, 03:56:34 pm
I have similar data points. Just depends on how long I have been constipated
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 18 January, 2017, 04:26:10 pm
Dieting is f***ing horrible*

*In case anyone was wondering.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 18 January, 2017, 06:15:27 pm
The 2kgs 'lost' with the cold have stayed off!. Woot!. Not dieting hard, just cutting out snacks and eating a bit more considerate. (And exercising a fair bit more!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 18 January, 2017, 06:45:42 pm
Thought last week's drop was too good to last.
Anyway the local council supported Weight Loss Challenge starts on Monday so I will have two lots of accountability to deal with for the next six weeks.

Not that it helped last year...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 18 January, 2017, 07:05:08 pm
Data point: 600gm.

Just sayin'.

I don't eat an enormous (I'd even call it Mekon-esque  ;) ) amount of fibre, because when I tried the Mekon-diet, it didn't stop me feeling hungry, it just made me shit every 2 hrs. TMI there, sorry.
:-[
You've made my evening.

Mate who dropped a 5lber will be pleased too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 January, 2017, 09:47:45 pm
Having prided myself on Steady Weight but No Exercise, (I had not weighed myself last year at all) it appears I have gained 10lb.
I am going to have to Be Sensible.
There are still three uneaten Chocolate Oranges from Christmas. At the rate we attack them, I don't think they are the cause of the problem.
Looks like I'll be a Diet Bore too...

5 years on.
13kg (at least) lighter.
Half a Chocolate Orange left but a MOUNTAIN of uneaten Christmas chocolates still await.
Still want to get down to 9 stone/57kg
Scant progress in the last year or two...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 20 January, 2017, 06:24:32 pm
Oh boy. Had an old friend turning up to kendo practice, so we all went out for beer and wings and despite being extremely moderated in my intake, I was immediately punished on the scales.
Had to skip my Friday morning breakfast sandwich (My weekly rewards for being a good boy).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashaman42 on 20 January, 2017, 06:29:45 pm
I'd imagine wings are quite salty so at least most of that weight is probably just temporary water retention. Right?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 January, 2017, 06:34:30 pm
I suspect you're right.
Wings are actually the lowest Calorie starter for next week's social meal at a Beefeater, I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 January, 2017, 07:00:48 pm
Or a poop :)

That's an awful lot of poop!

I eat a lot of fruit and veg and an awful lot of fibre :)

Mate reckoned he can drop 5lbs on a good day. Impressive.

I'd concur. Sometimes, just for fun, I weigh myself at night and again in the morning, post-crap. The difference can indeed be as much as 5lb. Most of that, of course, is fluid.

Warning! The following spoiler tags give TMI!

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 20 January, 2017, 07:14:37 pm
The difference can indeed be as much as 5lb. Most of that, of course, is fluid.

According to Wikipedia, the daily average is 128g (4.5oz), of which 75% is water. My mind is boggling at what some of you are capable of producing!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 20 January, 2017, 07:36:56 pm
I lose loads of weight overnight, just in water.
Doesn't everyone? I reckon at least a kilo, every day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris N on 20 January, 2017, 08:13:08 pm
I've finally started sorting my diet and exercise routine out.  Commute at least twice a week (42km round trip) and longer rides 2 weekends a month.  Minimise high carb snacks, smaller portions, no crackers and cheese in the evenings.  Less coffee, more sleep - easier now my youngest sleeps better at night.  Been at it a couple of weeks now and already feel better, though my trousers are still too tight.  Onwards. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 20 January, 2017, 08:17:02 pm
I suspect you're right.
Wings are actually the lowest Calorie starter for next week's social meal at a Beefeater, I think.

Not the North American type, who are heavily coated in a various BBQ sauces, which all have loads of sugar.
 8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 January, 2017, 08:25:31 pm
I suspect you're right.
Wings are actually the lowest Calorie starter for next week's social meal at a Beefeater, I think.

Not the North American type, who are heavily coated in a various BBQ sauces, which all have loads of sugar.
 8)

Table Table, part of the same Whitbread outfit, sent me an email tonight. The wings on their menu seem vastly more calorific, even if the portion size is larger (6vs4). I don't always believe nutritional info...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 January, 2017, 10:34:07 pm
The difference can indeed be as much as 5lb. Most of that, of course, is fluid.

According to Wikipedia, the daily average is 128g (4.5oz), of which 75% is water. My mind is boggling at what some of you are capable of producing!

I could take photographs of the scales, but you would have to take my word for it that I was starkers both times!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 23 January, 2017, 06:28:32 pm
Thought last week's drop was too good to last.
Anyway the local council supported Weight Loss Challenge starts on Monday so I will have two lots of accountability to deal with for the next six weeks.

Not that it helped last year...
90 kg  :( >:(
Well starting a challenge high means there's further to go down I suppose...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 January, 2017, 03:32:21 pm
2.8kg lost since 28th December, so it's going fine so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 January, 2017, 08:10:23 pm
Well done simonp!
might be am 1.2 kg down since 28 December.
It might be noise...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 24 January, 2017, 08:16:41 pm
I've been told not to loose more weight. \o/ more pies and cakes :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 January, 2017, 08:35:04 pm
Enjoy the pies and cakes this weekend woolly!

Not losing any more is not the same as gaining :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob W on 25 January, 2017, 10:10:49 am
Christmas weight seems to be coming off very slowly, but have had various lurgies which haven't helped. At least I'm back on the bike for the commute. Now just need to try and not blow it with a couple of birthday weekends coming up...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 January, 2017, 11:06:28 am
Down 2kg this week but that's probably due to the mild bout of norovirus I'm still recovering from.

Waist continuing on a downward trend, 4cm off since the start of the year - but bizarrely my neck seems to be getting fatter, up by 1cm so far this year.  ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 25 January, 2017, 11:10:33 am
Taken up listening to metal?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on 25 January, 2017, 11:25:38 am
Going the wrong way due to too many nights away from home for work and eating in restaurants.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 January, 2017, 11:40:22 am
Taken up listening to metal?

 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 25 January, 2017, 06:25:46 pm
Down another 0.5kg despite being up over the weekend. :smug:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 25 January, 2017, 07:26:35 pm
Up a pound from last week, but down two from Monday.
It was a very silly weekend as far food and drink were concerned.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Aidan on 25 January, 2017, 09:11:47 pm
I was up a bit but it was expected, a couple of work things with nice buffets after 5 days of almost complete inactivity due to a chesty cold.  Back on rollers from tomorrow, a decent ride on saturday and a couple of 16 hour fasts and Ill be back on track.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 25 January, 2017, 09:32:07 pm
Three weeks into Keto and I'm down 6kg. My trousers are notably looser and I feel really good, with more energy.

I need to find a bit more variety in my food but otherwise I am surprised how well it is going.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2017, 09:39:26 pm
116kg today - 18st 4lb in real money. That's a pretty good reduction since early November - something like 8kg. I'm still carrying on with the no-sugar-no-dairy stuff but I think it's the complete lack of cakes & puddings which are making the difference. My arthritis hasn't been troubling me much at all, but I am suffering from sciatica. Started taking gabapentin this morning so hopefully I will be pain-free again soon.

I have also reactivated my Fitbit and have, most days, been meeting targets of 10000 paces, 10 flights of stairs, 5 miles walked, 45 "active" minutes and 3k calories burned.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 26 January, 2017, 09:06:45 am
Mine went up after the 200 at the weekend, and back down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 January, 2017, 10:35:21 am
I'm still carrying on with the no-sugar-no-dairy stuff but I think it's the complete lack of cakes & puddings which are making the difference.

I'm sure this is the key to most dieting success - cutting out the 'empty' calories. In my case it's booze rather than cake but it amounts to the same thing.

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I have also reactivated my Fitbit and have, most days, been meeting targets of 10000 paces, 10 flights of stairs, 5 miles walked, 45 "active" minutes and 3k calories burned.

Good work. My wife started on a 10k steps target and is now up to 12k. She gets quite competitive about it with her friends.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 26 January, 2017, 10:35:43 am
Three weeks into Keto and I'm down 6kg.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 January, 2017, 03:02:53 pm
We have just finished the last of the Christmas cake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 January, 2017, 04:01:25 pm
We still have quite a lot of Christmas chocolate and a bag of Lebkuchen...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashaman42 on 28 January, 2017, 04:39:41 pm
Over a thousand calories over budget yesterday. Ooops.  :facepalm:

But that only brings my daily average for the week up to 2100 a day from a target of 1900 so that's not too bad. Better than before I was recording what I ate as I'm certain I was averaging much higher. At least a little bit of good behaviour is starting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: madcow on 01 February, 2017, 07:38:37 am
Small loss this week.I have not been counting calories,just cutting out bread , stopping random snacking, doing more exercise and swapping rich puddings for fruit or ice cream. It's not as calorie dense as you may think.
In order to increase the rate of loss,I am going to have to conquer my sweet tooth and cut out sugar in hot drinks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 February, 2017, 08:45:01 am
Disappointing week where I discovered that going to the cinema adds a kilo to my mass. Or it might be noise. More data required.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 01 February, 2017, 10:05:35 am
Been stalled since the excesses of Christmas. Not being able to move much has turned me into a slug. If slugs ate doughnuts instead of vegetables.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 01 February, 2017, 10:26:07 am
Weight is same as this time last week, although this time last week I was recovering from a bout of norovirus, so was probably quite dehydrated at time of measuring. Overall trend for January is downwards. Waist also down another 0.5cm. Feeling encouraged.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 February, 2017, 10:37:01 am
Up 1kg on last week, but waist measurement down 3cm on the month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 01 February, 2017, 11:04:31 am
Up on last week, but it was even worse a few days ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 February, 2017, 11:24:52 am
Forgot to weigh myself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 February, 2017, 11:54:07 am
I seem (temporarily, I suspect) to have broken the 60kg barrier.
I was 61.2kg in the early hours of Sunday.

This is noisy progress...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 01 February, 2017, 11:54:54 am
Stasis for the third week in a row. At least my weight hasn't increased... 2cm off the waist in a month though.

We'll see how the picture looks this time next month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 01 February, 2017, 03:08:44 pm
After the first month of Keto I am 7.2kg down and my waist measurement has reduced by 6cm. So I'm very pleased about that. It is still bizarre not to be hungry... I eat nothing whatsoever between meals and don't find I need to.

We'll see how I feel after another month of what is a slightly repetitive menu choice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 02 February, 2017, 05:17:29 am
Noisy week here too! Was up over the weekend and just squeezed under 95.5 this week (last weeks weight). Weekends remain a problem, especially as I'm now doing OT on Saturdays.  OT dinners at work might also present a challenge, but I just have to be disciplined and not insisting of finishing the meal. Belt is feeling a little looser. Still looks fat, though. (Which is helping my motivation!!).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 02 February, 2017, 08:16:45 am
I've been steadily reducing. Yesterday I rode a 300, and had two porridges before starting, a latte and two big cakes at Heathers cafe at 177 km, another garage cafe and Ginsters chicken and mushroom slice at 240 km, and came home at 60.2 km.. what I eat doesn't seem to matter, it's how much I ride that seems to dictate my weight...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 03 February, 2017, 04:42:46 pm
After the first month of Keto I am 7.2kg down and my waist measurement has reduced by 6cm. So I'm very pleased about that. It is still bizarre not to be hungry... I eat nothing whatsoever between meals and don't find I need to.

We'll see how I feel after another month of what is a slightly repetitive menu choice.

I am impressed! do you have any secrets you could share on making keto work? I'm failing to achieve much and I'm in danger of heading back to Dr Dukan which helped me lose loads of weight three years ago but I'm bored of it now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 03 February, 2017, 08:50:44 pm
Not really, I'm just sticking to the rules. Tracking on MyFitnessPal, keeping under 40g carbs (mostly 25 per day), protein under 100g, the rest fat. Meals are rather samey and desserts even more so but I can live with the restriction for another two months. I look forward to allowing a few more carbs so I can have a bit of fruit and more onions!

I have made an almond flour cheesecake, some low carb fudge and some low carb waffles. They weren't worth it, the only low carb recipe that worked for me was a Quark pizza base but it wasn't that great. I am living off stir fried veg, meat and cauliflower rice. But I do feel good on it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 04 February, 2017, 02:32:16 pm
Not really, I'm just sticking to the rules. Tracking on MyFitnessPal, keeping under 40g carbs (mostly 25 per day), protein under 100g, the rest fat. Meals are rather samey and desserts even more so but I can live with the restriction for another two months. I look forward to allowing a few more carbs so I can have a bit of fruit and more onions!

I have made an almond flour cheesecake, some low carb fudge and some low carb waffles. They weren't worth it, the only low carb recipe that worked for me was a Quark pizza base but it wasn't that great. I am living off stir fried veg, meat and cauliflower rice. But I do feel good on it.

I am assuming you weigh everything to get so specific?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 04 February, 2017, 07:25:50 pm
Yes, I don't trust my estimates by eye. I weigh everything and track it on MyFitnessPal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 06 February, 2017, 12:59:12 am
Time for me to register!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 06 February, 2017, 10:24:24 am
Im down to 15st 1, which is exactly 4 stone lighter than I was this time last year.

I was strict Keto between Sep and Christmas.   Had a serious plateau in NOV/DEC at 15 stone 10lbs which nothing seemed to shift.   So I decided out of frustration to have Christmas off and eat a load of carbs and sugar in the hope that coming on and off the diet might help.   After Christmas I was 16 3 so a gain of 7lbs.   I had a lot of stomach issues which must have been associated with the sudden intake of carbs and sugar.

I went full keto for the first 2 weeks of January and suffered bad from Keto flu but the results were similar to the first time I tried the diet - immediate and dramatic fat loss.   The 'slim' trousers went from being way too tight, to slightly loose in a fortnight.

My partner is now pregnant and suffering from morning sickness and cravings so low carb is not for her.  This means I have lost the urge to stay under 20g of carb a day.   I have kept up the principles of Keto but reintroduced milk and some more vegand the occasional beer.   If we go out for a meal I eat what I want but try to keep it as low carb and sugar as possible.

I have started running again too which is significantly easier than last year!

End result is steady weight loss again and a much more varied diet.   I think this might be how I have to go for the ret of my healthy life!  A general leaning towards low carb and no sugar with the occasional strict keto period thrown in.   I still feel 'fat adapted' in that I don't have hunger when fasting and long periods of exercise do not leave me needing to constantly feed or feeling hungry for days after.

I have secretly entered a local marathon too.   Im not telling anyone and may not get to the start but its something I always wanted to do but have never been close to being the right weight for.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 February, 2017, 02:07:50 pm
NOISE!
I'm back up to 61.3kg, which is much the same as all of last year.

We are about 3/4 of our way through the 2.5kg Christmas chocolate mountain.

I am NOT taking up BHF's Stop the Chox challenge for February; a life without any chocolate is rather miserable.
Which marketing idiot thought eschewing chocolate in the month of Valentine's Day was a good ides?

Is the BHF heartless?  ;) ;D ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 09 February, 2017, 03:23:02 am
Crappy week with lots of overtime, little exercise and crappy food, so there was some hesitation when I was about to stand on the scales this morning, but it was still down 0.5kg?!?.
Still need to lose 2kgs in 2 weeks to meet my first target, which is doable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 February, 2017, 12:30:31 pm
Just a smidge over 18 stone today. That's after yesterday which involved 2 pubs and a tea room.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 12 February, 2017, 02:20:50 pm
Finally seeing some modest progress. Down to 82.9/83kg boundary today. Hopefully this is the start of breaking the deadlock.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 12 February, 2017, 03:21:05 pm
.1kg down since last weigh in, December last. This makes me 93.2kg. The mutt is at a steady 16.5kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ramchip on 12 February, 2017, 03:42:49 pm
Off to Cordoba in the morning. Going to try my best to resist the tapas and paella. :-(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 13 February, 2017, 03:37:29 pm
Just updated the figures.  Not having a broadband connection at home has made it hard, but I've been tracking my weight pretty much every day.  Of course, that gives a lot of noise, but (apart from two blips), I am making good progress now.  Down about 6kg.

I actually increased my target weight loss on MFP, since I was ridiculously far inside the calorie limit, and that has been helpful.

I am moving steadily towards my 100kg target.  I will review when I hit that.  It might be possible to get down to 90kg and keep it off, especially if I am riding more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 13 February, 2017, 04:07:52 pm
My goal this year is to get my power:weight to 3W/Kg.

I've been doing some hard work in Wattbike classes, to raise my power quite significantly, but my weight has also increased to match the power gains.

There's simply no way I can increase power in the same way I have done this last 12 months, it's bound to plateau, leaving only one option..... LOSE WEIGHT.
The balancing act is to lose more weight than power of course, that means no silly "crash dieting" and using protein in preference to carbs.

I think that using Watts/Kg rather than body-weight alone will make me focus harder on the job in hand (although I'll also settle for my jeans' waistband to under less stress).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 15 February, 2017, 08:36:08 am
Up a bit from last reported weight, but not a concern.

I record my weight daily and track average weight (over two weeks).  The general trend continues 'down', and looking at Wednesdays each is lower than the previous.  All good, just with it was all a bit more steady - and faster.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 February, 2017, 09:04:02 am
Slow is good.

I was 114 kg this morning. That's less than 18 stones, for the first time for quite a few years. 10kg lost since I gave up dairy and refined sugar in early November. That's forty 25-gram packs of butter. Very grateful to my mentor in this, the lovely Peli. Onwards and downwards!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 15 February, 2017, 09:47:48 am
Valentine's day eating kicked things the wrong way, so no loss to report from last week. Need to lose a kilo a week to hit my first  target of the year. It's doable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 15 February, 2017, 09:53:25 am
I record my weight daily and track average weight (over two weeks).  The general trend continues 'down', and looking at Wednesdays each is lower than the previous.

That's exactly what I do. My weight today is up slightly on this time last week but like you, the overall trend is still downwards.

The dashed blue line is my daily weigh-in, the solid blue line is the rolling two-week average and the dashed red line is my target weight loss - as long as I stay the right side of that line I'll be happy:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2596/32532728120_9811dd2c9d_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 February, 2017, 12:13:11 pm
Been Valensdining and CnBA to weigh myself...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 15 February, 2017, 06:16:58 pm
100g down on the week. I realise this is in the realms of noise, but seeing the other 'official' weigh-in I'm doing at the moment had me up 400g on Monday I'll take that.
Next weekend also involves staying away overnight with the opportunity for pub dinners and breakfasts but it gets a bit easier after that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 20 February, 2017, 05:11:32 pm
.2kg up on our home scale with my kit off.

I went to the quack for my 10.000 miles check up. Got on the scale warts an all, erm with hiking boots and other clothing. Nurse knocked about 2kg off to make up for it. But that made me still about .5kg above the BMI thingie. So I have to have my blood taken to test for diabetes.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 22 February, 2017, 11:16:33 pm
Just about hanging on. Super busy.  Struggling to keep discipline, but are exercising a bit and still able to somewhat moderate intake, so maintaining current weight. Missed first goal by 2kgs, but I knew I would miss it 2 weeks ago (and probably why I lacked a bit of motivation).
Need to revise next goal, but want to get back on track first.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2017, 11:31:41 pm
Up 2.5kg on the week, having spend 4 nights in B & B, with provided packed lunch and going out for evening meals. We did a little electron-assisted cycling (30-odd miles over the weekend so minimal really). We only arrived back yesterday so I think this morning's weigh-in was affected by "mass in transit" as it were. I hope to get back to the regime properly now and with nothing extravagant by way of foodstuffs over the next few weeks, I would hope to lose 3kg in March. I might even manage some proper cycling. I think my total for the year so far is about 50 miles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 February, 2017, 08:51:41 am
71.6 yesterday, 70.5 today. All noise at the moment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 23 February, 2017, 12:49:43 pm
I am struggling to lose 2kg. Doesn't help with half term etc and too many biscuits
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 February, 2017, 12:55:08 pm
I am struggling to lose 2kg. Doesn't help with half term etc and too many biscuits

Here's a list of foods I won't eat
1. Ice cream (except at the seaside)
2. Biscuits (they have crack in them)
3. Anything delicious looking at a coffee shop
4. Ben and Jerry's chunky monkey (there is so much crack in that, it deserves an extra entry)

I know there are habits I could form in an instant - whole tubs of ice cream, a slab of traybake every time I get a coffee, soft moist cookies any time I have a cup of tea. Rather than start on a slippery slope, they are bannneddedd.

I don't think they are bad, or do any harm. I just know myself. I have no will power. There are aisles at the supermarket I don't walk down.

Boasters. Fucking boasters. I could eat a whole pack in a second.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 February, 2017, 01:03:54 pm
I've stopped actively weighing myself for now.
Unlike DrM, I *can* east just one biscuit/mini-muffin/chocolate.

We still haven't finished the Christmas haul...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 February, 2017, 02:48:00 pm
I've just had huel, fruit salad and a banana for lunch. There is cake but I'm full already. Huel is very filling.

Wisdom tooth was removed on Tuesday and I'm eating soft foods to avoid disturbing the precious clot.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 23 February, 2017, 03:57:28 pm
Hmm, that all-you-can-eat Indian buffet on Monday (why yes, I can eat it all) was possibly a bad idea, especially when preceded by a weekend away involving much eating out, and followed up with zero cycling this week. :facepalm:

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 February, 2017, 04:17:37 pm
I've just had huel, fruit salad and a banana for lunch. There is cake but I'm full already. Huel is very filling.

Wisdom tooth was removed on Tuesday and I'm eating soft foods to avoid disturbing the precious clot.

The huel frozen banana and coffee thing is really nice - did they send you that recipe card?

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 01 March, 2017, 08:43:43 am
Went to a friend's baby naming party at the weekend. Massive spread of food, and  went overboard on the carbs, I know it's water weight etc. Just annoyed to have been 900g off my first goal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 March, 2017, 09:08:37 am
Down again from last week's blip. The general trend is still - slowly - in the right direction. Having no plans for any weekends away in March could help in my effort to lose 4kg this month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 March, 2017, 02:05:00 pm
ISQ

(Medical abbreviation 'in status quo' so no progress)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 01 March, 2017, 04:14:58 pm
ISQ

(Medical abbreviation 'in status quo' so no progress)

I thought Status Quo recently experienced a 20% weight loss...

Another abbreviation for you: IGMC
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 01 March, 2017, 05:56:15 pm
4cm off the waist for a three pound weight loss?
I'll take the figures as they are but not build up hope for next month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 07 March, 2017, 12:06:46 am
What is the best exercise for weight loss? I can't do anything at a high pace but I'm willing to look at anything.
Walking, limited and slow with walking sticks. Running... interesting concept! Cycling, even that I'm doing very little of recently.
Is it worth joining a Gym'? Please help me with ideas. Main lard is Belly, Moobs and I Have no chin, just a neck that goes all the way to my waist.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 March, 2017, 12:20:16 am
I think being generally active helps. There again, I have lost weight without doing anything more strenuous than washing-up because I can't do anything.

Is there any activity you can comfortably do for 20-30 minutes? If there isn't, I don't think you can lose weight this way. You need to do 20-30 minutes of something every day to make inroads into the calorie balance and even so, this will only earn you around 100kcal.

In general, stand when you might sit and walk if  you need to go anywhere.

Otherwise, I'm afraid it's the 'eat less' advice.

Make sure energy-dense foods are out of sight and out of reach. Keep food in the fridge and cupboards between meals and keep your kitchen clean and tidy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 07 March, 2017, 11:26:23 am
Just moving is the best.  Walking where possible, cycling, obvs, but probably swimming is the best, since your weight is supported, and back, knees etc don't suffer so much.

IANAD*

* But I am a concerned friend, hoping you can make some progress.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 08 March, 2017, 12:31:42 am
Managed 2 days in a row, on the trike, 6 miles daily, did some hobbling around too. Appreciate the concern.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 08 March, 2017, 03:14:34 pm
Good stuff, PD.  It all helps!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 March, 2017, 03:29:03 pm
Well done! Every little helps!

Make sure you don't eat any more though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 09 March, 2017, 01:53:40 pm
Interestingly enough, although my weight is no longer dropping as quick, my fat scales indicate that my fat percentage is reducing, and my belt has gone down a notch.  Although I was wondering if that was due to leather stretching with age.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 09 March, 2017, 03:24:01 pm
My week in Tenerife meant I was much freer with the low-carb, at least in the last few days (had an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet which had loads of meat but also a handful of rice and noodles and also some breaded onion rings). I had 1 scoop of ice cream on three occasions too. The day after I returned on a cycle ride with my GerMan we stopped at an Italian restaurant and I ended up having a pizza as everything else was too pricey. Surprisingly I didn't finish it!

Once I got home and went back fully on the low-carb I noticed I was peeing a lot again and lo and behold this morning my weigh-in shows me I have lost another kg in total since 2 weeks ago when I last weighed myself. So the holiday has not done any harm. In fact, it may have been good to have a brief pause (as someone said above) to make it less boring and to give my body a break from the low-carb.

I continue very low carb until the end of the month, then I am planning to relax it a bit and see what happens.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 15 March, 2017, 10:05:30 pm
Down a kilo over the week, which is nice. Slowly but surely the weight is starting to come off.

According to the NHS BMI calculator, I'm now only 1.2kg overweight. However to be in the middle of the healthy weight zone, apparently I need to lose another 11.8kg. Sounds about right, though it's beyond my target weight for the year.

I know BMI is a crude measure, but I can't be complacent about my weight because most of the fat is abdominal. It needs to come off...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 21 March, 2017, 09:28:19 pm
Mostly fell off the wagon, partly due to a new not-quite-so-serious calf injury. Also went through a baking fad of some *amazing* cinnamon buns...but much to my surprise, when I gingerly stepped up on the scale this morning, I was still at 95...hadn't gained anything!.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 March, 2017, 09:45:02 pm
New fad. The Cinnabon diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 22 March, 2017, 10:45:02 am
I have plateaued somewhat.  Strangely at 103kg, which is where I struggled before.  Got really hungry last week, when I was commuting, and, though I was still well under target calories, put weight on a bit.  Ignored the diet over the weekend, and was within range yesterday and today, so resumed, with a light touch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 23 March, 2017, 08:33:08 am
Life. Stuff.
Binge eating. ALL THE MARZIPAN.

FFS. It'll take a month of righteousness to recover.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 March, 2017, 01:53:12 pm
Life. Stuff.
Binge eating. ALL THE MARZIPAN.

FFS. It'll take a month of righteousness to recover.

Why would you have marzipan in the house? Is that like leaving a child with a gun?

Post bone graft, I asked for some frozen yogurt. MIL came back with cream egg / belgian choc ice cream. I am feeding it to the kids to get rid, and got myself some 74 kcal per lolly moo yoghurt stuff.

Nothing like codeine and having your jaw exposed and chipped away at to kill an appetite.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 23 March, 2017, 01:58:55 pm
Life. Stuff.
Binge eating. ALL THE MARZIPAN.
FFS. It'll take a month of righteousness to recover.
Why would you have marzipan in the house? Is that like leaving a child with a gun?
Imagine the medium of SMS:
Quote from: fboab
Marzipan. I want marzipan
Quote from: Mr Smith
Really? Or are you just going to be cross with me if I bring some?
Quote from: fboab
Tough call. What if you don't bring it?
Quote from: Mr Smith
You have 60s to decide
Quote from: fboab
GET IT. GET IT NOW.

He's such an enabler.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 March, 2017, 04:20:12 pm
Life. Stuff.
Binge eating. ALL THE MARZIPAN.

FFS. It'll take a month of righteousness to recover.

Why would you have marzipan in the house? Is that like leaving a child with a gun?

Post bone graft, I asked for some frozen yogurt. MIL came back with cream egg / belgian choc ice cream. I am feeding it to the kids to get rid, and got myself some 74 kcal per lolly moo yoghurt stuff.

Nothing like codeine and having your jaw exposed and chipped away at to kill an appetite.

It doesn't need to be so extreme; I lost around a stone as a student, cycling to an asylum for psychiatry and having a term of tooth pain & dental treatment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 March, 2017, 04:31:41 pm
Reached a new low this week with 113.5kg. That's almost exactly 18 stone. Moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 30 March, 2017, 11:23:36 pm
Right, getting things back on track after a month of little training. Seem to have lost weight three weeks Ina row.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 31 March, 2017, 03:52:29 pm
Yesterday I wore a pair of size 12 trousers for the first time in nearly five years. Today I'm wearing a different pair to prove that it wasn't a fluke. Well not too much of one, anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 March, 2017, 04:44:06 pm
Yesterday I wore a pair of size 12 trousers for the first time in nearly five years. Today I'm wearing a different pair to prove that it wasn't a fluke. Well not too much of one, anyway.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 March, 2017, 07:02:49 pm
Phone autocorrect in sad mistake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Morat on 31 March, 2017, 08:14:39 pm
I'm a whale :( heading the wrong direction. Time to re-evaluate, methinks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 March, 2017, 08:30:23 pm
Phone autocorrect in sad mistake.

I really don't understand!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 March, 2017, 08:39:19 pm
Phone autocorrect in sad mistake.

I really don't understand!

Ina instead of in a. As in the late Micky Ina.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mr ben on 09 April, 2017, 08:51:11 pm
Today was the first time I've worn lycra and didn't feel fat (on a ride I mean, I don't wear it any other time).  I conclude that my body works well on a low carb regime, indeed last weekend I did a 200 km with very little food of any description as I felt sick quite a lot of the time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 April, 2017, 10:19:11 pm
Have gone backwards this week. Can't say I'm surprised. Lots on, and I find I have to concentrate hard to keep to a diet. Distractions lead to reversion to bad habits.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 13 April, 2017, 12:42:35 pm
Sadly, I waited until today to lose 1kg overnight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 14 April, 2017, 09:00:26 am
I've hit my target for the 26th (Off On Ride Day) but now on holiday in France for a week, although with bike, wife and MiL, this equation could get complicated.

I'm of a mind to start a weight maintenance thread rather than weight loss. I'm REALLY good at weight loss, but shit at weight maintenance.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 April, 2017, 01:39:18 pm
Whereas I seem fine at the weight maintenance but find it challenging to lose any more...

Well done Ham!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on 14 April, 2017, 04:08:08 pm
Sticking fairly strictly to a 4:3 fasting regime I've managed to reach 68k.  This is the lowest I can remember being, certainly 2k lower than anything I've measured in the last 20 years.  Fortunately this seems to be combined with being the fittest also.  Just did the best spin session in the gym (so weight-neutral) I've ever done.

The fasting thing really works for me.  For 3 days (Mon/Wed/Fri) I just accept that I will be on 600 calories - no breakfast or lunch and a small evening meal- usually the same thing so I don't need to calculate anything.  On the other days I eat more or less what I like, so I never feel as though I'm depriving myself as I used to on other diets where I'd forego carbs, sugar, etc for weeks on end.

My fasting days coincide with my days at the gym, which are fairly intense.  This doesn't seem to be a problem - quite the opposite.  Exercising hard seems to take my mind off food & I don't have cravings the same way as I do if I'm sitting around doing nothing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 April, 2017, 10:00:49 am
A typical weight loss year for me. Lose weight to the end of March, lose concentration, have a week's holiday with pubs and it starts to go back on again. I am trying to make this year different. This morning I was back to the weight I was at the start of the year. That's 3.5kg put on in a month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 19 April, 2017, 04:58:03 pm
toontra, glad it's working for you.

I've been on the more gradual 5:2 "classic" fasting approach. However I've slipped into 6:1 these past few weeks due to a combination of laziness and social obligations. As a result I'm up slightly on last week.

Have to be more disciplined from now on: it's not hard at all really.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 20 April, 2017, 06:23:16 pm
Well that was a surprise. I was convinced I would have put weight on over the last two weeks whereas I have lost 200g. OK, the loss is noise but at least it's not a gain. It's been a bad couple of weeks for eating (weekend away, lots of cake at work), for exercise (I've had a cold so the commuting and the running have been down a bit), and for sleep (who knows why), so stability makes me feel quite a bit better about things.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 20 April, 2017, 07:00:35 pm
87.5 kg at the end of December. That’s not too bad for me - I need to get into the 90s before I start to look podgy.

76.9 kg now.

That 10.6 kg down, by way of doing this, as I posted in another thread - updated with minor changes:

Quote
Since the start of January I have not eaten:
- red meat (rarely ate it at home anyway, but was no stranger to the full English or bacon sarnie when out and about)
- cheese
- any dairy aside from tea-whitening quantities of skimmed milk now on semi-skimmed
- chocolate
- cake
- nuts I eat a fair bit of almond and cashew nut butter
- very few eggs

Edited to add (I always forget to mention this now, although I shouldn’t): no alcohol, though I’ve been doing that for quite a while...


I have eaten:
- more oily fish
- more fish in general
- a range of different things instead of milk because I don’t trust any of them especially soya milk
- even more veg than I ate already
- lots of salad leaves of various sorts, which I was not previously enamoured with
- porridge every single day without fail. Food of the gods.

There was also a lot of calorie counting - essential in my opinion. Myfitnesspal is excellent.

This was all prompted by an episode of cholecystitis, of a nature that I cannot recommend. I am now minus said cholecyst.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 April, 2017, 07:03:42 pm
Well done Sgt Pluck!

I'm still 'resting' from weight loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on 21 April, 2017, 11:18:05 am
I gave up!

Well, almost.  Stopped watching my weight (except out the corner of my eye).

Seem to be in pretty much the same place as when I abandoned ship, so permission to board, Captain!

Let's do this thing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 26 April, 2017, 10:46:54 am
Getting closer.  Only 1.6kg away from my target with just over a month to go.  But I know from experience the last kilo and a bit will be the hardest to shift.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ramchip on 26 April, 2017, 05:28:15 pm
Hit my target weight at the end of March. I realise now that the hard part is keeping the weight off until LEL. Think I hit my target far to early :-(.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 April, 2017, 05:40:48 pm
Hit my target weight at the end of March. I realise now that the hard part is keeping the weight off until LEL. Think I hit my target far to early :-(.

Not really; you can work on your strength and endurance over the next three months.

It is very difficult to get faster/stronger/fitter etc while losing weight.

Keep steady, get fit!

Don't worry if you gain a little weight and don't attempt to lose weight in the last 10 days before LEL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 26 April, 2017, 06:35:18 pm
On the grounds I got to work this morning, then realised I'd not weight myself, I suppose I'm not that bothered at the moment.
This is usually a BAD THING as it means I'm stressing about something.
We have a weekend away coming up, doing our re-enacting. These weekends are usually great fun and a very good way of forgetting about the 'real' world for. bit. So that may help. But being the cook may not.  O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ramchip on 27 April, 2017, 10:07:30 am
Thanks


Hit my target weight at the end of March. I realise now that the hard part is keeping the weight off until LEL. Think I hit my target far to early :-(.

Not really; you can work on your strength and endurance over the next three months.

It is very difficult to get faster/stronger/fitter etc while losing weight.

Keep steady, get fit!

Don't worry if you gain a little weight and don't attempt to lose weight in the last 10 days before LEL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 27 April, 2017, 10:19:09 am
Looking back at the first 3 pages of this thread reveal that some people, the same people, have a life-long struggle with weight (like me).

It's a thread that documents a 9 year struggle to stay, pretty much, in the same place.

My own records of my weight show the same struggle.  Only PBP every 4 years have any significant impact, mainly because it's hard NOT to lose weight doing all the qualifiers..etc.

Let's look at the tragic facts...

If we had lost just 3 Kg per year (250g per month) then we'd all be 27Kg lighter.

Perhaps that's the answer.  Make your target 3Kg per year for 9 years,  rather than 1kg per week..for a bit..then restart after blobbing out again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 27 April, 2017, 10:22:36 am
Started again a couple of weeks ago at 91kg, currently in the middle of the usual 4 week plateau1 before the weight starts to drop consistently.

76kg by Christmas is the main goal (and then see where it goes after that if I keep pushing the running). I'm not doing another marathon unless my weight is below 80kg.

228 days2 and 15kg = 0.46kg a week, or roughly 1lb a week. I've done very similar sustained steady weight loss in the past (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg1481741#msg1481741) and know what I have to do (and not do) to keep on track.

Then keep my weight forever more below 80kg. No more yo-yo-ing.

1. Most probably fat loss balanced out by muscle gain, I certainly notice body shape changes in this time.
2. 242 days until Christmas minus the two weeks to the end of my usual plateau
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 April, 2017, 12:10:58 pm
Looking back at the first 3 pages of this thread reveal that some people, the same people, have a life-long struggle with weight (like me).

It's a thread that documents a 9 year struggle to stay, pretty much, in the same place.

My own records of my weight show the same struggle.  Only PBP every 4 years have any significant impact, mainly because it's hard NOT to lose weight doing all the qualifiers..etc.

Let's look at the tragic facts...

If we had lost just 3 Kg per year (250g per month) then we'd all be 27Kg lighter.

Perhaps that's the answer.  Make your target 3Kg per year for 9 years,  rather than 1kg per week..for a bit..then restart after blobbing out again.

I did not participate in this weight loss malarky until 2012, three years after yacf started, though I did opine, advise and encourage. I lost  a lot in 2012, less in 2013 and have struggled to make any real loss over the last  3 years.

But I'm an OK weight now really and I'm not gaining.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 27 April, 2017, 08:28:32 pm
Slow but steady seems to be the pattern emerging for me this year so far.

Started at 86kg at the end of 2016. Lost 2kg (mainly water) straight away after the first bit of fasting. Managed to keep that off, then it's been a steady 1kg per month, pretty much. So now hovering around 80kg, hopefully will be 79kg or less by the end of May.....which, on the face of it, if I keep at this, I should hit my 72kg target in November.

However, when I first started on 5:2 over four years (!) ago, I was 1kg lighter than I am currently. I got to my original (more modest) target weight within three months, losing 5kg to 74kg. I then aimed for 72kg, achieved that within a further month and a half, and pretty much kept that at that for the rest of the year.

In between times my weight has gone up and down like a yoyo.

The only differences are really that I'm older, I'm riding my bike relatively little, and probably working more hours than in 2013.

Still, I'll keep trying for slow and steady. Now it's finally getting a wee bit warmer, hopefully I'll get out on my bike a bit more too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 03 May, 2017, 11:54:04 am
Finally had some progress - down to under 80kg for the first time since January.

It's not just because I'm dehydrated.
It's not just because I'm dehydrated.
It's not just because I'm dehydrated.
It's not just because I'm dehydrated.
It's not just because I'm dehydrated.
It's not just because I'm dehydrated.
It's not just because I'm dehydrated.
It's not just because I'm dehydrated.
It's not just because I'm dehydrated.
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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 May, 2017, 02:24:21 pm
I'm back over 90kg because I have been eating compulsively Quite A Lot, because I don't seem to get any pleasure from riding my bike, and that is making me depressed. It's a vicious circle: I've trained hard, and it made no difference, which depressed me, so I don't like riding, I can't make myself ride any distance at all, and now I am eating all my feelings. Which makes me so fat that riding is even less enjoyable. I despair.
Where are those biscuits?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 04 May, 2017, 02:37:46 pm
Hopefully still on the plateau. Having an easy week this week due to the bank holiday (Monday is usually my day off where I get to do a long swim and cycle) and a painful ankle and slightly twisted knee from 5-a-side. Will be back running again at the weekend hopefully.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 May, 2017, 06:24:10 pm
I was down to just under 115kg today. That is very welcome news after a few weeks of going (mostly slowly) in the wrong direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 May, 2017, 12:13:02 pm
I measured my hip girth today. It seems to have increased by 5cm.
Consistently. (Multiple readings, same time of day and tape measure as before)
My waist is 72cm which is not too bad.
Might weigh my one day.

My arms still look slim.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 May, 2017, 09:25:05 am
My weight is up by over 3kg in a month.
This cannot be a temporary blip, given that my hips are bigger.
Oh dear!
Will have to stop the treats and shrink the portions.

I did have a greedy weekend in a hotel but...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 10 May, 2017, 02:01:37 pm
I fell off the diet wagon over Easter and I'm struggling to get back on for various reasons. I'll keep trying and see if this is the week I can do it.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 10 May, 2017, 03:42:45 pm
Stuck to the 40-30-30 diet, stuck to training

(http://thumbsnap.com/t/VLAqMzWx.jpg) (http://thumbsnap.com/VLAqMzWx)

Weight is the same, power is up a bit. The only big gain is 60m average w/kg.

If I am honest, given How much effort I have put in to training (I even quite like intervals now), it's dispiriting how small the gains are. It's much easier to lose weight than gain power, albeit losing weight loses power.

Please can I be stronger and lighter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 May, 2017, 03:45:37 pm
onwards and downwards...
I fell off the diet wagon over Easter and I'm struggling to get back on for various reasons. I'll keep trying and see if this is the week I can do it.  :-\

You are not alone!
I have slipped my guard, gained a LOT but am trying to get back on the straight and narrow.

Feeling hungry!

Onwards and downwards...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 10 May, 2017, 05:04:14 pm
I've had a week of stuffing my face and drinking since I came back, Friday brings dental implants and an antibiotic course that conveniently places me firmly back on the wagon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 May, 2017, 05:09:54 pm
Good luck with the dental implant, Ham!

An uncomfortable mouth is an unpleasant weight-loss aid; hope your weight loss continues!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hubner on 10 May, 2017, 05:56:21 pm
Two weeks ago I started commuting 40 miles a day, 4 days a week, total 160miles. I think I've lost about a kilo so far, I can feel my trousers getting looser at the waist. This was from no commuting before 2 weeks ago.

I don't think I can keep up that mileage, so starting this week I will be doing 120 miles instead. If I try to eat a bit less or at least don't eat any more than usual, I think should reach my target of 70kg say within 2 months, I'm about 73kg now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 10 May, 2017, 06:26:35 pm
Each person's milage is their own, my particular problem has always been balance and weight swings, but when I stopped riding a 70 mile a day commute, I expanded like a Michelin Man to my heaviest for years.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2017, 01:14:40 pm

Please can I be stronger and lighter.

You're about 10% lighter than me, and people look at me funny when I say I'm trying to lose weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 11 May, 2017, 05:10:12 pm
I think we are built different. Unless I'm sub 70kg, nobody says anything. My consultant says not to go below 70 any more (due the the poor outcomes associated with low weight for my lung condition), but when I hit 68, worried comments would be passed on.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2017, 09:13:26 pm
I used to be skinnier. Rowing has changed my build. Add to that some middle aged accumulation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 24 May, 2017, 10:20:05 am
Fell off the wagon this past fortnight. Now trying to climb back on, but still hopping with one leg on the road while trying to haul myself aboard. A bit more determination and effort and I ought to manage it...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 24 May, 2017, 12:47:03 pm
Pretty stable post BCM. High today at 71.7, but average 70.9 for the week, which is where I want it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 May, 2017, 12:53:07 pm
Tuesday post-BCM: 82.1kg.

Tuesday a week later: 79.5kg.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 24 May, 2017, 03:31:03 pm
The combination of working in India for a couple of weeks and being too busy/ distracted for some meals means that my belt circumference is becoming somewhat less. I might be back to proper riding weight by the time I fly to Auld Blighty.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob W on 27 May, 2017, 03:19:59 pm
I've found that while 5:2 works for me regarding weight loss, it's no good for my cycling - on fast days and especially the days after, my legs are heavy and sore for the nursery run, which would suggest it's too strenuous for this regime. OTOH, doing some more yoga and watching what I eat means my weight is stable at least, and has gone down very slightly over the past few weeks. My plan is to try and add some weights into this once my dicky shoulder permits, and see how I go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 May, 2017, 08:11:10 pm
More vanity sizing issues...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sort-out-your-sizes-student-blasts-hm-after-struggling-to-fit-into-dress-two-sizes-bigger-than-she-a3552741.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sort-out-your-sizes-student-blasts-hm-after-struggling-to-fit-into-dress-two-sizes-bigger-than-she-a3552741.html)

I've looked at H&M sizes online. They are similar to those M&S used 40 years ago but M&S 'updated' their sizing when the Scandis didn't. Oh dear!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 31 May, 2017, 07:16:45 am
Bit of an overshoot this week. I think I'm fighting off a sore throat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 01 June, 2017, 08:05:56 am
More vanity sizing issues...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sort-out-your-sizes-student-blasts-hm-after-struggling-to-fit-into-dress-two-sizes-bigger-than-she-a3552741.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sort-out-your-sizes-student-blasts-hm-after-struggling-to-fit-into-dress-two-sizes-bigger-than-she-a3552741.html)

I've looked at H&M sizes online. They are similar to those M&S used 40 years ago but M&S 'updated' their sizing when the Scandis didn't. Oh dear!


Odd really. Everyone knows that the west has got bigger/fatter and yet we'd rather 'adjust' the size descriptors for clothes than the actual size of ourselves. A window into an indulged, customer focused psyche.

Meanwhile, having got down to 79kgs two weeks ago, I managed to put 3kg on over a couple of weeks. Back to 80.5kg today and hopefully heading down again

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 June, 2017, 10:09:35 am
34" jeans really need a belt on me. My waist is 35".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 01 June, 2017, 03:16:53 pm
34" jeans really need a belt on me. My waist is 35".

I haven't actually measured my waist, but my suit trousers at 34 inch waist feel like a sack on me. I'm refusing to replace intil I'm down to 76kgs or just under. When i was younger and running competitively I weighed 11st 3lbs and comfortably wore trousers sized at 29 inch waist and 34 inch inside leg. I've not seen that sizing for years. Even 32 or 30 with a 33 inch inside leg is not stocked in quantity.




Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 June, 2017, 03:40:10 pm
34" jeans really need a belt on me. My waist is 35".

I haven't actually measured my waist, but my suit trousers at 34 inch waist feel like a sack on me. I'm refusing to replace intil I'm down to 76kgs or just under. When i was younger and running competitively I weighed 11st 3lbs and comfortably wore trousers sized at 29 inch waist and 34 inch inside leg. I've not seen that sizing for years. Even 32 or 30 with a 33 inch inside leg is not stocked in quantity.

When you do get to measure yourself, can you measure your trouser waistband and let us know its size?

Clothing needs SOME breathing room but I'd not be surprised if your '34"' trousers could accommodate rather more belly...

TIA
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 June, 2017, 07:53:12 pm
My suspicion is the waist has increased but not the thigh.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 June, 2017, 08:02:10 pm
AIUI BRITONS' thighs have remained the same length.
Muscle bulk for a given waist size appears to have lessened, if partner's trouser trouble is representative.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 June, 2017, 10:02:49 pm
32" jeans are too tight around my thighs even if waist would fit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 June, 2017, 10:58:38 pm
32" jeans are too tight around my thighs even if waist would fit.

Modern man is either fat or flabby. As you are neither, Modern Trousers won't work. <sigh>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 June, 2017, 10:29:45 am
34" jeans measure just over 18" across folded so the band is around 36".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 June, 2017, 11:36:07 am
Thanks. No surprises!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 02 June, 2017, 03:39:06 pm
My two months on low carb were very successful. Since then I have kept partially to it but of course that doesn't work - am lardier again, as is Klaus my chap. We are off on a 2 week tour and when we return will go back on low carb; it's really the cakes, chocolate and sweeties that are the problem, we have been eating main meals without carbs the whole time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 03 June, 2017, 06:54:01 pm
Jolly good holiday it was, 3kg up ...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 04 June, 2017, 07:52:05 am
Jolly good holiday it was, 3kg up ...

That's the spirit:)

Rode in the North Yorkshire moors yesterday. Punishing area for my short term weight gain of the last couple of weeks...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 June, 2017, 04:39:36 pm
Jolly good holiday it was, 3kg up ...
Rode in the North Yorkshire moors yesterday. Punishing area for my short term weight gain of the last couple of weeks...

Yes. I rode 150km of a 200km audax in the Lake District yesterday; sounds like we had similar experiences. Ho hum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 07 June, 2017, 08:55:12 am
There have been some ups and downs, but finally hit my target (a week late).  Hopefully staying at this weight won't be as tough as I fear, though I know it won't be easy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 07 June, 2017, 10:09:38 am
Its just gone 10am and I have been thinking about lunch for a half hour at least. This just shows you how often and much I eat on holipops.

ohnomnomnomnomnomnom
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 June, 2017, 10:22:01 am
I haven't been near the scales on the critical days for quite some time now. Up 0.5kg on 3 weeks. Trouble is, I'm heading the wrong way again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 07 June, 2017, 10:45:54 am
My current weigh in looks worse than previous, but as my weight actually went up above 135 at some points in the last months, I don't think I'm doing too badly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 08 June, 2017, 09:42:20 am
Just a suggestion.

Why don't we all set a weight loss target of 2Kg a year?  If you can't reduce your weight by 2Kg a year then you may as well just call the whole thing off.

2kg a year is 20Kg in 10 years.  That's significant amount of weight loss, it's even more if you lose more obviously, but just aim to be lighter by 2kg every year, on the same date.
That makes it quite easy to recover the situation every year.

As I posted before on this thread.  Very few people have actually lost weight during the life of this thread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 08 June, 2017, 10:41:55 am
I have lost weight since the start. Peaked at above 130kg and something had to be done. When the thread started I was just under 120Kg, then hovered at about 100-105kg for a long while. New peak at 112kg, then down to 93.7kg (personal record in my adult life) before crimbo. Then hovered at about 94-95kg couldn't stay under 94kg no matter what I did. Just been in holipops and eat all the foods! So the summer mission is to get back under 95Kg again, maybe even try to hit 90.7kg as that is a 200 lbs and that sounds cool :)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 June, 2017, 10:47:01 am
Just a suggestion.

Why don't we all set a weight loss target of 2Kg a year?  If you can't reduce your weight by 2Kg a year then you may as well just call the whole thing off.

As I posted before on this thread.  Very few people have actually lost weight during the life of this thread.

I've stopped weighing myself for now.

I'm probably around 64kg; this may be more than I'd like to be but it's OK really.

I have lost weight during the currency of this thread and kept most of it off.

Weight loss doesn't work as 2kg/year. I lost around 7kg in 2012 and only entered the figures retrospectively when I needed to cheer myself up. I lost a little more in 2013 and less in 2014.

I am still 10kg lighter than in January 2012.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hubner on 10 June, 2017, 10:40:56 am
Two weeks ago I started commuting 40 miles a day, 4 days a week, total 160miles. I think I've lost about a kilo so far, I can feel my trousers getting looser at the waist. This was from no commuting before 2 weeks ago.

I don't think I can keep up that mileage, so starting this week I will be doing 120 miles instead. If I try to eat a bit less or at least don't eat any more than usual, I think should reach my target of 70kg say within 2 months, I'm about 73kg now.

I quickly gave up doing 120 miles per week commuting, I'm now doing 80 miles per week, which is not a huge distance and I've weighed myself for the first time since my last post and I'm now 69kg! That's 4kg lost in one month, which is surprising because I don't feel that much thinner, I thought it would be about 2kg. My tummy is a bit flabby though I understand after a certain age it's hard the shift that. I think I should do a bit weights to make sure I'm not losing muscle as well as the fat.

My previous weight gain earlier in the year was because of eating too many snacks (chocolate and crisps!) which I have stopped, and almost no cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 10 June, 2017, 12:34:12 pm
If you can't reduce your weight by 2Kg a year then you may as well just call the whole thing off.
I can reduce my weight by much more than 2kg in a year. but as soon as something goes wrong in my life and stress or misery gets going, I gain it all back, with interest, and much faster than it's lost.

It just doesn't work like that.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 June, 2017, 01:15:27 pm
It just doesn't work like that.

This.
In spades.

There are 365 days in every year on which we will have around three meals, n snacks and be peckish/hungry/bored/angry/frustrated on n occasions, putting in x hours of exertion.

Working a long-term energy/fat deficit into these complexities will not be simple if Real LifeTM dictates eating with numerous sub-optimal parameters.

And we all NEED to eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 14 June, 2017, 09:36:55 am
Today is my ninth straight day below my target weight.  :thumbsup:

I'd have to look back through previous years, but other than while on the Camino in 2012, I don't think I've ever actually hit my target, or weighed so little (since I started logging weight here).  I'm still a little flabby around the middle, but I can live with that for now - otherwise I'd need to buy new trousers.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 21 June, 2017, 12:33:43 pm
Post 600km dip - still using the 40/30/30 macro diet. Don't feel hungry ever, was described as "ripped" by a colleague. Do look more muscly than previously at this weight, but I'm doing more high intensity work on the bike.

Am upping my calorie intake to bring things back to to target.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170621/12f807222e23a503ac04536190977d21.jpg)

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 21 June, 2017, 01:31:11 pm
I'm hanging in there at 77kg. It's so easy to drift upwards. My target intake is 2000 calories per day, and I am usually just within that and rarely more than 100 - 200 over. If my usual intake was 2200, the weight would head north.

40/30/30 macro

I am nowhere near as serious about this as you are and I am no athlete, but I am curious as to how you keep your protein intake so high. The only part of my diet (if you can call it that - it's a simple calorie restriction at 50% carbs / 30% fat / 20% protein) that I struggle with is ensuring that I get enough protein. I rarely reach 20%. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 21 June, 2017, 02:28:09 pm
Loads of bags of soya and whey protein at work and at home, and a huge stash of huel to get through that I was given as a gift when I smashed up my mouth.

I mix it in to Skyr / Total 0% yoghurt with a bit of frozen fruit. I think it tastes delicious. YMMV.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 22 June, 2017, 01:39:35 pm
Thanks. I was thinking that supplements had to be involved.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 22 June, 2017, 09:05:37 pm
The nutritionist who designed the "feel fuller longer" range for M&S has a trial of the 40/30/30 approach - her findings were sufficiently promising that she's concerned that the pro-ana community will start using it. She managed to create a 40/30/30 diet from "normal food" but normal means the sort of poncy food that people who do their weekly shop in M&S can afford.

https://www.abdn.ac.uk/rowett/research/alex-johnstone.php

Seems weird to me that's she's only an SRF!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 22 June, 2017, 09:15:31 pm
I think the Zone Diet (40/30/30) would make me nervous. Such an emphasis on protein would have me worried about over-stimulation of IGF-1/Insulin, and its links with cancer promotion.

Then again - 90% of us over-stimulate insulin, just by eating grains and sugar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 23 June, 2017, 05:21:14 pm
Would my high fibre intake mitigate against it? It all goes through me pretty slow, I suspect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 24 June, 2017, 01:50:53 am
Not losing any weight. However apparently my quads are in "good condition" and "look bigger".


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 June, 2017, 05:49:39 pm
Stupid time of year for me. Three weekends away on the trot (two down and one to go) with strange eating and extra drinking involved with all three.
And then, because 'stuff still has to be done' I have less time during the week so haven't been on a bike or had a run for a fortnight.
As from Monday things start getting a bit better.
I hope.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 28 June, 2017, 11:24:48 pm
Remind me to update the graphs, it's been a while.

I read recently that exercise slows down weight loss. Good. It's because you grow muscle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 08 July, 2017, 07:20:27 pm
(https://scontent.fman2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19748535_10102376552092720_5598808622045387281_n.jpg?oh=7d27a789d49e7c3e4835492646053237&oe=59C7F507)

I keep forgetting to update, but the scale is beside my bed. Continued to stick with 40/30/30 macro through my 600s ready for LEL. Been trying to keep 20g doses of protein spread through the day, and trying to hit 50g + of fibre. So far, so stable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 08 July, 2017, 07:32:41 pm
Out of interest, what is your current workout volume in hours per week?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 11 July, 2017, 07:58:46 pm
About 10 on average, down from 15 last year.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 28 July, 2017, 09:24:52 am
I'm shuffling back in here with tail between legs.

Have really let myself go the last two months, gaining nearly 4kg in the process. Didn't dare look at the scales until recently. Back to my highest weight point again earlier this week.

For the sake of my health I have to be back down below 80kg at least. Have started 5:2 again yesterday so we'll see how I get on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 09 August, 2017, 01:03:27 pm
MrsC has decreed that 'something must be done' so has signed up for three months of Slimming World on line. This is now non-negotiable!
Does the panel have any comments or suggestions? Particularly to cope with the vast difference in our exercise regimes?

Thanks
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 09 August, 2017, 02:48:26 pm
Secret stash of peanut butter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 09 August, 2017, 02:56:54 pm
That will help me lose weight as it's just about the only foodstuff I don't like.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 09 August, 2017, 04:40:24 pm
Well. I'm living proof that five months of the Beer 'n Crisps diet works wonders for making one's entire cycling wardrobe "Too Small".  :hand:

Time I attempted to get a grip.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 09 August, 2017, 06:36:56 pm
Holding steady at 79kg. Happy to be anywhere under 80kg, would be happier at 77.5kg.

But I just don’t want to be any more strict that I am at the moment (calorie intake about 2050 / day which is tight enough for someone of my size) and I am looking towards keeping the intake as it is and upping the output a touch.

Keeping off the snacks is the thing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashaman42 on 10 August, 2017, 07:01:52 am
Upping the output - more fibre I take it? :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 16 August, 2017, 07:00:32 pm
MrsC has decreed that 'something must be done' so has signed up for three months of Slimming World on line. This is now non-negotiable!
Does the panel have any comments or suggestions? Particularly to cope with the vast difference in our exercise regimes?
Apparently I am allowed more 'Syns' due to being male which probably means I will be able to cope.
And, if this week is a typical example of the scheme* I will be down to my floor** weight (not target) before Christmas.

* Helly, I do know that won't happen, it will just be the usual beginning of a diet water-loss drop
** Although I got down to my floor, briefly, last time I seriously tried to lose weight I don't think there is any chance of that happening again. This time I would need to lose rather more muscle and I won't let that happen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 17 August, 2017, 11:20:04 am
Finally it has started to come off: 3.4kg lost this week. Only another 10kg to go to hit the target!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 18 August, 2017, 11:30:33 am
MrsC has decreed that 'something must be done' so has signed up for three months of Slimming World on line. This is now non-negotiable!
Does the panel have any comments or suggestions? Particularly to cope with the vast difference in our exercise regimes?

Thanks

A serious question.  Given that Slimming World and Weight-Watchers are quite similar companies (it's about profit remember) and given that Weight-Watchers has an abysmal long-term success rate, why would you choose this approach?

I've read articles that say WW has a >95% failure rate (you wouldn't fly with Weight-Watcher Airlines right?).  Some people can handle a reduced-calorie regime but, truth be told, you'll be slowing down your metabolism until 1500kcals becomes your base metabolism, not 2200kcals (or whatever).  It's at that point (after 3-6 months of "success") that you're in the shit.  Now you'll plateau, get discouraged and, worst of all, start gaining weight if you eat just 1600kcals a day.

It's just what happens to 95% of people (and this thread documents such long-term failures)

You ask for comments.  I'd recommend looking at the success rates of WW and SW (which involve NEVER using their own marketing stats) and then looking at intermittent fasting, such as 5:2.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 18 August, 2017, 12:44:54 pm
I must be in the 5%. :)
MrsC and I used WW very successfully fourteen years ago. I went from 17 stone to around 11.5. MrsC lost a similar proportion of her body weight. Admittedly she has now put almost all of it back but fourteen years is a long time and she has had other health issues which haven't helped. I'm now just under 14 stone. The times when I have put weight on have all coincided with 'issues' of one sort or another at work (I eat when stressed) so it's been pretty successful overall.
The advantage of something like WW or SW is that it provides a framework; a set of rules to follow which helped us before.
My question was really about managing the difference in appetite and caloric needs between a 5'3" sedentary woman and a 5'11" active man.
Not that I don't have concerns about the diet industry but, at the moment, SW is 'non-negotiable'.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 18 August, 2017, 04:48:35 pm
...and the answer to my original query about the size and gender difference is that I am allowed more 'Syns' (really don't like that name) per day which solves my immediate problem.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 August, 2017, 11:04:06 pm
...and the answer to my original query about the size and gender difference is that I am allowed more 'Syns' (really don't like that name) per day which solves my immediate problem.

Would they be syns o the flesh?

Yes, that's my coat, the XXXL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 23 August, 2017, 11:14:10 am
I should probably stop losing weight as I think I've also lost some muscle.  Now need to work on regaining some of that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 23 August, 2017, 11:31:25 am
I think I should stop posting here and join the Weight Gain Discussion Thread instead :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 August, 2017, 12:43:59 pm
I am not weighing myself or trying to lose weight any more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 24 August, 2017, 04:31:29 pm
I am not weighing myself or trying to lose weight any more.

...and I bet you lose weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 August, 2017, 04:56:10 pm
I am not weighing myself or trying to lose weight any more.

...and I bet you lose weight.

I doubt that.

I suspect I will stabilise around 65kg, which is a little more than I'd like to be but OK really.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 24 August, 2017, 10:23:56 pm
Just looking back at the numbers given the comment the other day about keeping weight off - in Jan 14 I weighed 15 st 7 lbs. I'm currently 13 st. At the start of the summer I was 12 st 6 lbs, but had a few bad weeks due to work etc. Now heading back down and aiming for about 12 st by the end of the year.

I'm much happier weighing less, eating less and exercising regularly again. That is hopefully sufficient to help me maintain... having parents who are both overweight, with T2 diabetes and CV challenges, plus dementia in one is also motivational.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 03 September, 2017, 03:04:41 pm
Starting again now that the summer holidays are over. 94.5kg or so right now. *sigh*

I have a few half marathons to do, but I can slog round those whatever my weight. Swim Serpentine 2 mile swim in a fortnight but extra weight doesn't really affect swimming. Must get some cycling goals to aim for (as I find it's a couple of 3 hour rides a week do most for my weight loss). Haven't done a single Audax this year (first time I've had an empty year since 2005) so I may sneak out for a few DIYs later on in the year.

Need to build back up to 10h training a week (running, swimming, cycling and 5-a-side totals).

Main goal is Brighton Marathon in April 2018. I've said that I'll only run if my weight begins with a 7, doing it really is no fun at 90kg+. I should also aim for sub 4h if I get down to under 80kg.

TARGET: get weight down to sub 80kg by April 2018.

32 weeks. 15kg. So 0.5kg a week would get me there in time (with a few weeks spare for Christmas excess) and I've done that kind of sustained weight loss before...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 05 September, 2017, 08:25:10 am
I was also doing quite well till a few weeks ago.  I seem to have racked up another 6kg and would prefer to be closer to 77, so it's back to the weight loss thread for me
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 05 September, 2017, 09:58:30 am
If you can't reduce your weight by 2Kg a year then you may as well just call the whole thing off.
I can reduce my weight by much more than 2kg in a year. but as soon as something goes wrong in my life and stress or misery gets going, I gain it all back, with interest, and much faster than it's lost.

It just doesn't work like that.

I know, trust me on that.  I have a weight loss graph since 1997 that is a pure sine-wave.

The trouble is, with calorie-deficit diets, you suppress your metabolism, slowly and inexorably, until even your reduced calories are enough to maintain it.
Simultaneously your body goes into overtime with "hunger hormones" making you hungrier than you ever were, all day, every day.

That double whammy means that when you increase your calorie intake you pile on weight much quicker (due to your lower calorific needs) and you enter a hormone driven feeding frenzy.  It's not your fault...your hormones changed to make you eat..and eat

It's why Weight-watchers et al have a dismal long-term success rate (despite a good 3-6 month success rate*).
*Success shouldn't be based on 3-6 months.

I recognised this pattern in myself and have done much research into why it happens.  I'm now convinced that Fasting will help me.
I'm one month into it and 8kg down (1st 3lb).

There is so much bullshit talked about "Starvation mode" and "Muscle loss" but that mostly comes from the purveyors of food.  There's no profit in Fasting, it's a zero cost option.

Here's a summary of what I've learned so far:

- Fasting can be done for as long as you like and it has positive benefits over a 7-day reduced calorie regime.  1 day, 2 days a week (5:2), using 600kcals on your Fast days or nothing, even longer.

- It can be seen as a "miracle cure" for many people with Type 2 Diabetes (Where sufferers are propped up on Insulin supplements)
 
      - Consider Type 2 Diabetes.  It's a disease where the patient has become desensitised to Insulin, over long periods of being naturally "flooded" with Insulin to combat a sugary diet.  The "Cure" is to supplement the "flood" of natural insulin with externally administered Insulin.  Does that strike anyone as odd?  A disease of too much Insulin treated with more Insulin?
Fasting turns off (to a large degree) natural Insulin production.  It's not required, there's no sugar coming in (remember that Bread and Pasta = Carbs = Sugar, not just Coke and Mars Bars).
Fasting allows the body to become sensitive to Insulin again.
Anyway, see the Michael Moseley Youtube (and Jason Fung Youtubes) for a full description of why it works and considerations before trying it.

- I don't feel hungry.   Yes, that's weird.   I find that reduced calories or 600kcal Fasting just makes me crave more (there are hormonal reasons remember) so I just don't eat anything on Fasting days.

- I feel more active.  Yes, that's weird.  Reduced calories made me feel cold and lethargic.  There are hormonal reasons why Fasting makes you feel more active (Growth hormone is released, Adrenalin is released, brain activity goes up..etc).

    - Think about how we evolved rather than what we've done in the last 100 years (when food became ever more available).  We woke up in a cave, chased a Wildebeest across a plain for a few hours, then ate the f*** out of it when we finally caught it.  We're actually designed to burn fat not carbohydrate.  Carbs are just a short term luxury that (should) come along infrequently, not every 2 hours from the fridge.  When you're low on Wildebeest the body releases hormones to make you think clearer and perform better, in order to catch Wildebeest.  It doesn't slow you down when you haven't eaten Wildebeest for a few days, that would have been species suicide.

- It targets fat.  After the first day of Fasting you've used up your Carbs (Glycogen stores), there's only around 2,500kCals of it in your Liver and blood.  Once Glycogen is gone you enter Ketosis, where fat is metabolised as fuel (any Audax rider should have an efficient Ketosis system because carbs alone don't get you around a 400km ride.  I think Audax riders will find it less "painful" to Fast as their bodies will be used to Ketosis being switched on).

Anything you do from Day 2 onwards is (mostly) Fat-fuelled. 

I'm on another Day 2 right now.  The hunger is gone, I feel fine and I may try 3 or 4 days this time.  I did 3 last week and it was fine.  On the 3rd day I attended a high power Wattbike Class and went for a 30 mile ride.  I felt fine, nothing to worry about, I'm burning fat and I have shit loads left.

The best thing for me is that I don't crave food now and I don't feel cold.  Having zero food triggers the reverse hormonal effect as having reduced food.  Why would I want to eat just a little piece of Cake?  That's like giving up smoking except for one puff on a ciggy ....it's torture.

Caveat.  I'm in the early stages, the easy part.  I've been this weight before (but usually with the help of PBP preparation/qualification regime.  You can eat anything in PBP year and lose weight).  This is the first time I've lost weight so consistently without huge cycling miles.

Anyway I recommend you watch this (especially if Type 2 Diabetes is a concern).  It's a summary by Jason Fung.  There are many more of his lectures to link to.  I find them fascinating and motivational.
We've all been fed such bullshit by the food companies and the diet industry.

Please watch before coming back with comments based on Old-Wives tales though.

>>>>  https://youtu.be/ETkwZIi3R7w (https://youtu.be/ETkwZIi3R7w)  <<<<
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 September, 2017, 11:09:54 am
I'm definitely a fan of fasting; it's a natural state that has many benefits; the fact that there are processes that we need for long-term health, that only start after we're fasted for at least 24 hours, says to me it's a state we've evolved to use to our advantage.

Being permanently fed - that's the artificial state our bodies can't handle  :hand:. Don't be afraid of the feast side of the equation though - look up some of Valter Longo's work; some of what happens during a fast (cellular apoptosis, autophagy, increases in HGH) are in preparation for an anticipated end to the fast.

I've read Jason Fung's book on fasting. I find his presentation style irritating, but his writing is persuasive.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 05 September, 2017, 12:19:32 pm
I'm definitely a fan of fasting; it's a natural state that has many benefits; the fact that there are processes that we need for long-term health, that only start after we're fasted for at least 24 hours, says to me it's a state we've evolved to use to our advantage.

Being permanently fed - that's the artificial state our bodies can't handle  :hand:. Don't be afraid of the feast side of the equation though - look up some of Valter Longo's work; some of what happens during a fast (cellular apoptosis, autophagy, increases in HGH) are in preparation for an anticipated end to the fast.

I've read Jason Fung's book on fasting. I find his presentation style irritating, but his writing is persuasive.

Exactly.  We've come to accept that how we behaved in the last 50 years of our millions of years of evolution is "natural" and bought into so many of the food marketing tag-lines ("Breakfast is the most important meal of the day") and oxymoronic advertising ("Healthy Snack").

We're so advanced and yet it always comes as a surprise when we are told that the best food is natural and unprocessed.  No shit Sherlock, you mean it's best that we eat the stuff we evolved to eat in the amounts we evolved to eat it?

Edit... You don't need to worry about me ignoring the feast side of things.. oh no, I most definitely don't ignore that.  It's called the Weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 September, 2017, 12:36:58 pm
Edit... You don't need to worry about me ignoring the feast side of things.. oh no, I most definitely don't ignore that.  It's called the Weekend.

Hehe. I probably should have elaborated! It's important to maximise nutrient density when you do eat; as you mentioned - real food, not processed muck. If you're properly thinking like a caveman, then eat the offal and throw the lean meat for the Hyenas. That's where I step off that particular wagon...  :sick:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 05 September, 2017, 01:52:23 pm
(Watched the video, thanks for the link...)

I know, trust me on that.  I have a weight loss graph since 1997 that is a pure sine-wave.

Similar although the ramp back up always correlates with a drop off in exercise. Now, having watched that video I'm left wondering whether the drop off in exercise that contributes to this isn't itself caused by the lowered BMR that just makes me feel tired/lethargic after 6-8 months of sustained calorie deficit weight loss. Interesting.

I've always hoped that this would be last trip down the sine wave and I'd keep up the increased exercise and maintain the weight loss.

So I'm tempted by giving fasting a try along side a more normal weight loss plan (of just not being a greedy pig and trying to keep up the exercise) but wondering how easy it is to fit in with a reasonably heavy exercise routine.

What would you suggest for a weekly routine like this?

Mon: Day off work so between 9am and 3pm: 1h swim (high intensity), 3h cycle (medium to high intensity), eventually a 30min-1h run too
Tue: 50min-1h run (high intensity, intervals) during the day, very gentle afternoon swim whilst daughter having her lesson, late evening 5-a-side (high intensity for 40min) and then 2 pints in the pub
Wed: 30min swim (medium intensity) otherwise taking it easy (closest thing to a day off)
Thu: 30min cycle (medium intensity) in the morning, 5-a-side at 6pm (medium/high intensity for 1h), 6 pints in the pub
Fri: 10km run commute in the morning, 30min cycle (medium intensity) in the evening
Sat: 5km run (parkrun - med/high intensity) - no fasting on a Saturday as don't want to spoil social life!
Sun: long run (1h-2h peaking at 3h low/med intensity)

That adds up to:-
Swim: 1h+30min = 1h30
Footy: 40min + 1h = 1h40
Run: 1h+1h+30min+1h = 3h30 to 4h30 (sometimes 6h)
Cycle: 3h+30min+30min = 4h

It's rare that everything comes together for an uninterrupted week so it tends to total 8h or so.

Obvious fasting days I can see are:-
* Wednesday - a gentle-ish 30 minute swim is easy to do on an empty stomach
* Friday - I do the run commute on an empty stomach anyway, 30min cycle commute home in evening can be taken gently too
* Sunday - I can do morning runs up to half marathon (~2h) on an empty stomach (although I do carry a couple of gels in case) but not ideal as the rest of the day is family time

Wed/Fri would makes most sense as I can see it. From 11pm Tuesday to Thursday lunchtime is a good stretch. Then again for 11pm Thursday to Saturday post-parkrun.

I'd be interested in what kind of things you eat when fasting. I'm not a fan of nuts or dried fruit, but would be happy with a tin of soup every so often (Heinz Chicken Noodle soup is only 128kcal a tin for example.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 05 September, 2017, 03:38:07 pm
GB.  My Fasting hasn't had an impact on my exercise.  I was worried about "bonking" on a bike ride but I feel great, even 2 days into a Fast.

I think you need to accept you're burning fat and keep in Zone 2 or 3 max.  As long as I can hold a conversation then I reckon I can burn fat quickly enough to support that level of exercise, that's what I was doing whilst Audaxing (when I was burning far more calories than I had in my Carb stores - I think it's only about 2,500Kcals.  That's why once in a lifetime Charity Ride cyclists bonk so badly after about 40 miles in, they used up their 2,500kcals of carbs and just aren't able to switch into ketosis readily, they're totally empty).

I started off by fasting Monday all day until Tuesday lunchtime.  Then I'd do Thursday all day until Friday lunchtime.  After a couple of weeks I got to the point, on Tuesday for example, where I just thought, "I'm feeling fine, I'll just carry on until Wednesday".

Weekends are weekends and all bets are off (except you have a smaller appetite and don't want to ruin the good work).

The key thing is leaving the longest gap possible between meals (or insulin release) so eating a big meal on day 1 at 6pm and having "breakfast" at 1pm next day gave you a break of 19 hours and probably gives you a lot of benefits even though you ate "normally" and didn't truly fast.  I really like the feeling that I'm empty of Glycogen and running on fat, so 2 days assures me that it's happening.  exercise will burn through Glycogen even quicker and require less fasting before you hit the fat stores.

I'm not qualified to give any advice on the subject.  It's anecdotal and I should make that clear.  I'm only a few weeks into it but, for me, what Jason Fung says, makes total sense.

.....and I'm not hungry!!!

Edit.  I don't eat at all on Fast days.  It makes me much more hungry (to the point of pigging out) if I eat just a small amount of something.  I find it much easier to eat nothing, rather than torture myself with not enough of something delicious.

An advantage of true fasting is that it requires absolutely nothing in order to do it.  No special recipes, no weighing portions, no expense.  Just take a day or two off food and go service your bicycles to take your mind off it.  It gives you a surprising amount of extra time in your day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 September, 2017, 04:46:51 pm
I've tried a few multi-day fasts: Day 2 is always the worst - if I'm going to be hungry, that'll be the day - day 3 is much easier.

Generally, I find the same as LEE; steady energy flow if you don't take the piss. I did take the piss last Friday, riding a brutal 25km stretch into the moors (720m climbing, frequent >15% gradients), day after finishing a 24 hour fast, and I was a mess; I had to have emergency food so I could get home.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chinaski on 06 September, 2017, 11:49:20 am
If you can't reduce your weight by 2Kg a year then you may as well just call the whole thing off.
I can reduce my weight by much more than 2kg in a year. but as soon as something goes wrong in my life and stress or misery gets going, I gain it all back, with interest, and much faster than it's lost.

It just doesn't work like that.

I know, trust me on that.  I have a weight loss graph since 1997 that is a pure sine-wave.

The trouble is, with calorie-deficit diets, you suppress your metabolism, slowly and inexorably, until even your reduced calories are enough to maintain it.
Simultaneously your body goes into overtime with "hunger hormones" making you hungrier than you ever were, all day, every day.

That double whammy means that when you increase your calorie intake you pile on weight much quicker (due to your lower calorific needs) and you enter a hormone driven feeding frenzy.  It's not your fault...your hormones changed to make you eat..and eat

It's why Weight-watchers et al have a dismal long-term success rate (despite a good 3-6 month success rate*).
*Success shouldn't be based on 3-6 months.

I recognised this pattern in myself and have done much research into why it happens.  I'm now convinced that Fasting will help me.
I'm one month into it and 8kg down (1st 3lb).

There is so much bullshit talked about "Starvation mode" and "Muscle loss" but that mostly comes from the purveyors of food.  There's no profit in Fasting, it's a zero cost option.

Here's a summary of what I've learned so far:

- Fasting can be done for as long as you like and it has positive benefits over a 7-day reduced calorie regime.  1 day, 2 days a week (5:2), using 600kcals on your Fast days or nothing, even longer.

- It can be seen as a "miracle cure" for many people with Type 2 Diabetes (Where sufferers are propped up on Insulin supplements)
 
      - Consider Type 2 Diabetes.  It's a disease where the patient has become desensitised to Insulin, over long periods of being naturally "flooded" with Insulin to combat a sugary diet.  The "Cure" is to supplement the "flood" of natural insulin with externally administered Insulin.  Does that strike anyone as odd?  A disease of too much Insulin treated with more Insulin?
Fasting turns off (to a large degree) natural Insulin production.  It's not required, there's no sugar coming in (remember that Bread and Pasta = Carbs = Sugar, not just Coke and Mars Bars).
Fasting allows the body to become sensitive to Insulin again.
Anyway, see the Michael Moseley Youtube (and Jason Fung Youtubes) for a full description of why it works and considerations before trying it.

- I don't feel hungry.   Yes, that's weird.   I find that reduced calories or 600kcal Fasting just makes me crave more (there are hormonal reasons remember) so I just don't eat anything on Fasting days.

- I feel more active.  Yes, that's weird.  Reduced calories made me feel cold and lethargic.  There are hormonal reasons why Fasting makes you feel more active (Growth hormone is released, Adrenalin is released, brain activity goes up..etc).

    - Think about how we evolved rather than what we've done in the last 100 years (when food became ever more available).  We woke up in a cave, chased a Wildebeest across a plain for a few hours, then ate the f*** out of it when we finally caught it.  We're actually designed to burn fat not carbohydrate.  Carbs are just a short term luxury that (should) come along infrequently, not every 2 hours from the fridge.  When you're low on Wildebeest the body releases hormones to make you think clearer and perform better, in order to catch Wildebeest.  It doesn't slow you down when you haven't eaten Wildebeest for a few days, that would have been species suicide.

- It targets fat.  After the first day of Fasting you've used up your Carbs (Glycogen stores), there's only around 2,500kCals of it in your Liver and blood.  Once Glycogen is gone you enter Ketosis, where fat is metabolised as fuel (any Audax rider should have an efficient Ketosis system because carbs alone don't get you around a 400km ride.  I think Audax riders will find it less "painful" to Fast as their bodies will be used to Ketosis being switched on).

Anything you do from Day 2 onwards is (mostly) Fat-fuelled. 

I'm on another Day 2 right now.  The hunger is gone, I feel fine and I may try 3 or 4 days this time.  I did 3 last week and it was fine.  On the 3rd day I attended a high power Wattbike Class and went for a 30 mile ride.  I felt fine, nothing to worry about, I'm burning fat and I have shit loads left.

The best thing for me is that I don't crave food now and I don't feel cold.  Having zero food triggers the reverse hormonal effect as having reduced food.  Why would I want to eat just a little piece of Cake?  That's like giving up smoking except for one puff on a ciggy ....it's torture.

Caveat.  I'm in the early stages, the easy part.  I've been this weight before (but usually with the help of PBP preparation/qualification regime.  You can eat anything in PBP year and lose weight).  This is the first time I've lost weight so consistently without huge cycling miles.

Anyway I recommend you watch this (especially if Type 2 Diabetes is a concern).  It's a summary by Jason Fung.  There are many more of his lectures to link to.  I find them fascinating and motivational.
We've all been fed such bullshit by the food companies and the diet industry.

Please watch before coming back with comments based on Old-Wives tales though.

>>>>  https://youtu.be/ETkwZIi3R7w (https://youtu.be/ETkwZIi3R7w)  <<<<

While I agree fasting is something most people should practice, if only for the psychological benefit of getting control over food. I do it myself everyday and have only eaten one or two meals a day for last few years. 24hrs fasts when travelling/busy are trivial.

However if you have struggled with excess fat mass for 20 years I can't see or haven't seen any evidence that fasting will correct this in the long term.

It is undeniable that unwanted excess fat mass is a dysfunction in the system which regulates body fat; the main players being leptin, hypothalamus and ghrelin. This system is seen in rats and other lab animals so it a really old well developed system

Your body will notice the 8kgs (a mix of water, fat and muscle) and their will be a reaction in time which will increase hunger, and conserve energy.

Is their any evidence that fasting helps to correct this dysfunction?

Regaining weight is perhaps the starkest example of how our subconscious/instinctive brains rule our rational one; were are primarily driven by animal instincts is most areas of our lives. Perhaps fasting can help in the same way that improving sleep and organising our food environment can; but for most people if weight gain is a battle then in all likelihood it always will



On audaxers necessarily having a well developed ketosis system I disagree. Ketosis is a back up system for the brain; it uses about 600cals a day of glucose when not in ketosis. Your typical (non ketogenic audaxer) will use a mixture of glycogen and fat to cycle around at audax pace. The body has no difficulty burning fat and glycogen simultaneously; an audaxer will most likely be more fat adapted and use more fat than a racing cyclist constantly topping up with some high GI carb.

A Ketogenic system will only be in use if someones is following a very low carb diet is fasting long enough to use up nearly all liver and blood glycogen/glucose (what goes into muscles can't come back even if unused). Most audaxers will have eaten something long before that happens.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 06 September, 2017, 07:43:02 pm
Chinaski, what is your line of work?

I stated that I'm not qualified to advise on Fasting or any sort of dieting, merely that the evidence gathered on calorie controlled diets suggests they are an unmitigated disaster over the long term (for medically measurable reasons).

I'm trying fasting because calorie control has failed me for 20 years (although it works fine for 6 months....as is predicted by the evidence).

I've lost a lot of weight and I haven't felt hungry, cold or lethargic doing it.  I'm merely suggesting it as an option for people who, like me, have a 20 year Sine-Wave of body weight.

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However if you have struggled with excess fat mass for 20 years I can't see or haven't seen any evidence that fasting will correct this in the long term.

What research have you done?  I'm interested because the Jason Fung videos imply that Fasting works long term?

You say that Fasting is something people should do, and that you do it yourself (although eating one or two meals a day doesn't sound like fasting).

So, it's just an option.  Watch the video.  Knowledge is power, the power for people to try another way if they think it may work.  If not, don't.

It suits me, it fits my life and it's working so far (still short-term).

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Von Broad on 06 September, 2017, 10:47:17 pm
>>>>  https://youtu.be/ETkwZIi3R7w (https://youtu.be/ETkwZIi3R7w)  <<<<

For somebody [luckily] barely interested in weight loss [mainly because I'm lucky enough to burn the considerable amount I eat off during the day being on my feet working....it would soon change though if I stopped!] I found this interview very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Aw0P7GjHE

He's [sounds to me] highly intelligent, confident and very opinionated[lol], but I thought he was actually very fair and considered about a lot of aspects of food intake and who might benefit from fasting and who most definitely would not, and puts a lot of emphasis on personal responsibility and where somebody might be in their life looking to incorporate fasting. A lot of the detail goes a bit over my head, but I got drawn in and found it very interesting, particularly all the stuff about metabolism and the downsides of excessive protein.

[opens fridge....]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 07 September, 2017, 10:09:05 am
>>>>  https://youtu.be/ETkwZIi3R7w (https://youtu.be/ETkwZIi3R7w)  <<<<

For somebody [luckily] barely interested in weight loss [mainly because I'm lucky enough to burn the considerable amount I eat off during the day being on my feet working....it would soon change though if I stopped!] I found this interview very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Aw0P7GjHE

Agreed. It's a video I've seen already and one of many of his (Jason Fung) I re-watch as motivation.

He's a doctor working with the chronically obese, many with decades of Type-2 diabetes.  He identifies the bullshit and cuts through it very succinctly with reasoned explanations (such as treating a disease of too much insulin ..with more insulin).

Definitely recommended.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 28 September, 2017, 07:18:33 am
I have hit my target  O:-)
Shame that was meant to be an interim one, get back to last year's minimum, and that it's three months late, but...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: pucklie24 on 28 September, 2017, 12:55:32 pm
My wife cooks really good food, especially during dinner. or maybe it's me who needs the discipline to say no.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on 28 September, 2017, 01:16:47 pm
I was surprised to weigh myself this morning and find I'm down to 67k (I'm 6' tall).  That's the lowest in a very long time (as long as I can remember).  For the past 10 years since taking up cycling my weight has fluctuated between 70 and 76 depending on time of year and whether I was on a dieting regime for LEL, PBP, etc.  For the last 2 years that has been coming down gradually but steadily to today's 67.  No blips or reversions as I used to experience.

What's changed is taking up 5:2 or 4:3 fasting most of the year (but not worrying if I miss a day or week here or there).  The real beauty of it is that I eat more or less what I like on the non-fasting days so I don't have any cravings for things denied.  However I've noticed that my appetite in general is reduced, and my weekly food bill is half of what it used to be.

Maybe not coincidentally, I'm cycling faster now at 61 that at any time in the last 10 years.  This is based on timed rides such as 3 laps of Richmond Park, sportives on fixed routes and a regular 100 mile journey I make monthly.

The fasting was a bit of a psychological struggle for the first few months but, 3 years on, it's just part of my lifestyle and I barely notice it.

BTW a fasting day for me is eating nothing until 5pm and then 2 scrambled eggs on rye bread toast and another slice of toast with honey.  Very roughly 600-800 calories.  Always the same so I don't have to put any thought into it  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on 28 September, 2017, 02:59:38 pm
I'm 10 weeks into eating Keto/Lowcarb and at my lowest weight for a few years, My spreadsheet only goes back to the beginning of 2014  ;D
My lowest weight on there shows as 95KG which was when I had been running regular and not eating bread but had just started lifting weights at the gym.
I ate whatever I liked then when lifting and as the running stopped my weight crept up as well as the muscle mass.
2yrs later I was 110kg and maybe 115kg at some point as I didn't weigh myself but eating and lifting. I was big, fairly strong but fat as well.
I was down to 105kg when I started eating this way 10wks ago, as my cycling has gone up this year but the gym has stopped.
Likely to be under the 200lb mark this week for the 1st time in ages and I feel great, cycling has improved with the weight reduction (obv!) and I don't miss the carb loaded food.

Longest fast is only 21hrs and I ate due to having to go out but wasn't hungry, I don't regularly fast and that was only to see how I felt.

I don't feel bloated and full of wind anymore (a bonus for Dawn ;D) and so far I don't feel that bad cycling without food. Not tried anything over 100km yet though but may get back into it.

Date           Kg      LB           ST
07/03/14   95   209.44   14.96
27/04/16   110   242.51   17.32
28/09/17   91.1   200.84   14.35


Rich
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DuncanM on 28 September, 2017, 04:00:50 pm
I'm curious about how fasting works with family life. Do your other halves or children fast along with you?  I have friends who have had eating disorders, and built psychological rituals around food - some of the fasting techniques sound very similar. For this reason I'd be seriously concerned if my 8yo daughter took up fasting.
I appreciate that diets aimed at athletic performance can be extreme (eg eating sugar for a TdF, or fat for a 600km audax), and I appreciate that as someone who has never had a problem with unwanted weight I might be the wrong audience, but I find the modern emphasis on rigid diets for the regular child/adult concerning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 September, 2017, 04:18:18 pm
I am not  a parent but was always of the opinion that dieting for weight loss should be restricted to between consenting adults in private...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 28 September, 2017, 04:31:22 pm
Nearly everything I've read about fasting agrees:

No developing youngsters
No lactating mums
Nobody else who might be metabolically challenged.

If you're fit 'n healthy, it's a great thing to do - but even then, yes - you need to be sure your motivations are healthy. Fasting needs to be a positive thing - not a punishment, form of self-harm, or perceived as a route to an unrealistic body image.

As for how you might adjust your behaviour in front of your youngsters - erm... pass!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on 28 September, 2017, 04:34:10 pm
I'm curious about how fasting works with family life. Do your other halves or children fast along with you?  I have friends who have had eating disorders, and built psychological rituals around food - some of the fasting techniques sound very similar. For this reason I'd be seriously concerned if my 8yo daughter took up fasting.
I appreciate that diets aimed at athletic performance can be extreme (eg eating sugar for a TdF, or fat for a 600km audax), and I appreciate that as someone who has never had a problem with unwanted weight I might be the wrong audience, but I find the modern emphasis on rigid diets for the regular child/adult concerning.

Note.  I'm not medically qualified to comment..so feel free to ignore me.

Children shouldn't fast.  The are growing and developing.   That said, they shouldn't be eating as many Burgers and portions of fried chicken as they seem to do nowadays.
Fasting should be for fully developed adults (who aren't pregnant) who are informed about what they are doing.
Kids should be eating a balanced diet, with enough calories to support they vigorous play.

As for eating disorders they are a mental disorder, not something brought on by fasting, just as washing your hands regularly isn't risking the onset of severe OCD.

My Wife has started the fasting regime as well.  That makes it a lot easier because now we have 2 or 3 days a week with no cooking or washing dishes (and no temptation as the other eats or cooks).

Eating fat for Audax?  Not something I've ever done deliberately (unless it's attached to the Chips, Pies and milkshakes).

May be better to discuss >>> HERE (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=104886.0) <<<
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 28 September, 2017, 05:31:37 pm
I'm curious about how fasting works with family life. Do your other halves or children fast along with you?

No, they eat normally just as before.

Meal times in our house are relatively chaotic anyway, we rarely ever all eat together during the week (but will do at the weekend).

Either myself or my wife will be at work when it is tea time for our daughter (7yo) during the week. If it is me in charge then I'll either eat with my daughter or sit with her because I'll be eating with my wife later on that evening.

I try to arrange my fasting to be on the days when my wife will eat with our daughter (and I'm not there at that time) so that I don't have to sit there whilst one (or both of them) are eating and I'm not. I can do one day a week quite easily, but adding in the second day with this rule is trickier.

I have no problem preparing meals/snacks for both of them when I'm on a fasting day. Years of working in catering (before I found IT) trained me to be able to cook and not want to eat what I'm cooking.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on 28 September, 2017, 06:16:38 pm
Years of working in catering (before I found IT) trained me to be able to cook and not want to eat what I'm cooking.

 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 29 September, 2017, 12:52:10 pm
I've updated the graphs, first time for a while, apols.

I also entered all my weights since April. I'm not gaining or losing weight at present, so it seems.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 11 October, 2017, 06:29:38 pm
The new diet appears to be working  :smug: (that or the scales are broken  :-\).
I have updated my target slightly. If I manage to hit the new target I will be lightest I have been this decade.
There are more targets but I still have some way to go before hitting those.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 06 December, 2017, 07:20:32 pm
I fear the scales might be broken. There is no way I can have lost six pounds in the last week.  ???
MrsC has been saying the same thing and is suggesting a new set. I think it might be just a battery which is needed, but we may be having a 'fat club' at work next year and a spare set of scales might come in handy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 26 December, 2017, 12:35:09 pm
New thread for 2018 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=106270)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 December, 2017, 01:48:26 pm
I might rejoin.
I might not.

I have not weighed myself for many months and know my weight will have crept upwards.

I'm just not hugely motivated.

[ETA] It didn't really creep up. I wasn't totally unclothed when I weighed myself but still think I'm fatter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 27 December, 2017, 04:38:07 am
I failed miserably in 2017...well, haven't really gained anything, but still need to lose 10kg sooner rather than later. 20kg ideally.
Feeling more motivated this year, just really need to get the wife on board (who could also do with losing the same amount).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 27 December, 2017, 11:00:43 am
I failed miserably in 2017...well, haven't really gained anything, but still need to lose 10kg sooner rather than later. 20kg ideally.
Feeling more motivated this year, just really need to get the wife on board (who could also do with losing the same amount).
You need to get your skates on, if you want to do it this year, with less than a week left of 2017 and all :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 29 December, 2017, 12:08:46 pm
I've dabbled and dropped out in the past but given my running and other plans for 2018 it might just be worth it for 2018.   

Goes off to prepare yet another christmas dinner and cogitate...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 December, 2017, 12:18:51 pm
Weighed myself for first time since May.
No significant change despite multiple food fests and no persistent active efforts to reduce my intake.
Thought I'd be much heavier!
 :thumbsup:

Whatever else, the weight I lost, mainly in 2012, through simply eating less and giving up the jammy croissant habit has mostly stayed off, which is no bad thing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 30 December, 2017, 01:18:23 pm
I really need to get back on this, as 2017n was more gain than lose.  pacemaker and tendonitis do not help with the exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 31 December, 2017, 11:34:50 am
On the eternal see-saw that is my weight, this thread helps me motivate gently in the right direction. The real motivation is normally something else (eg hoping to cycle up big hills). I'm in (sort of)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 December, 2017, 01:09:41 pm
Found the tape measure which had been hidden beneath a pile of stuff on my desk.

Waist and hip measurements are significantly increased so my fatness must be too, even if my weight has not changed.

Added waist measurements to my table.

MUST TRY HARDER!

...eventually...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 January, 2018, 03:52:09 pm
So I've updated the graphs to the end of 2017. I'll add the new tables to the parser.

I've also hopefully configured automatic updates at 2 hourly intervals. I've added my missing weights to the end of the year, but not manually done a run, so this will act as a test. The updates may sometimes run when my computer is asleep but there can be a gap if it goes into safe sleep (to save power).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 January, 2018, 04:25:39 pm
Sterling work, Simon!

Thanks!

I seem to have vanished; I'm not THAT thin!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 January, 2018, 10:15:39 pm
After some fettling, automatic updates are now working.

It remains to be seen what happens when the computer is sleeping.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on 02 January, 2018, 03:01:24 am
Well I have rejoined. 2017 was not a year of cycling for me- having my daughter and new born grandson living with us for the first 7 months of the year meant I didn't have much free time. I also drank too much wine  ;D

Haven't yet started the actual exercise, but rationing my wine consumption alone has brought my weight down in the last few months. I literally need to dust my bike before I ride it  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 03 January, 2018, 08:34:11 am
Im in for this year - managed to shift just over 30 kgs in the past 5 years with plenty of ups and downs along the way.   Have my sights on a sub 4 marathon in oct 2019 and therefore the required weight loss needs to happen in 2018.    Looking for a drop of around 12 kgs this year.

I have been loosely low carb, high fat for a year and a half now with a few breaks!   Got my head back on it now and I am trying to strictly follow the Maffetone 8 step method up until this summer at least to see what effect it has on my running and health.

Good start - 1.8kg off from when I weighed in on boxing day.   
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 03 January, 2018, 09:35:57 am
Good luck with the Maffetone stuff, I've used his training theory very successfully in the past to drop my 10k pb every year for 5 years in a row. No need to apply it successfully to cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 03 January, 2018, 09:55:58 am
Good luck with the Maffetone stuff, I've used his training theory very successfully in the past to drop my 10k pb every year for 5 years in a row. No need to apply it successfully to cycling.

I think it makes an awful lot of sense for someone like myself (very new to running).   Seems like a sensible way for most people to train if you want health rather than absolute performance (which isn't normally a very 'healthy' pursuit).

I'm fully on board with his dietary methods although also know I will have to alter then to fit my life (and my families).  Low carb, no sugar is the only thing that has ever worked for me in terms of fat loss.   Just wish I hadn't waited until my mid 30s to become aware of it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 03 January, 2018, 01:47:43 pm
That should have said "now need to apply it to cycling"

I tend to train on the turbo with HR in the right zone, but get carried away on the road with a speed target, especially this time of year when windy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2018, 01:58:28 am
2018 weights are now being plotted.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 04 January, 2018, 10:08:52 pm
About a week in to lower carbs/more moderated eating. Virtually eliminated snacks. Stopped buying bread and have been cooking better.
I use this https://paleoleap.com/ for inspiration.
I'm about the same weight as last year, but I'm a lot fatter, so I'll need to hit the weight room again. Clearly lost  a lot of muscle and I can no longer suck my gut in and look 'reasonable'. I merely look pathetic.
The last month was a bit of a rude awakening in terms of my self-image (for various reasons), but I'm using it as a motivational tool and so far, it seems to be working.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2018, 10:58:46 pm
Will try to sort out waist and waist:height graphs this weekend. No promises as work is piling up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kyuss on 06 January, 2018, 01:39:45 pm
Count me in for this year. If I don't slim down, the TT bike I built will never get used. I've got double jaw surgery happening at some point in the next few months so I'm expecting the liquid diet will go some way to shifting a significant portion of flab.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 07 January, 2018, 11:59:27 am
Okay, I'm in for this year. Have to do something about my expanding waistline.

Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 January, 2018, 02:11:59 pm
After some fettling, automatic updates are now working.

It remains to be seen what happens when the computer is sleeping.

Please Sir,

Can you put me in the graphs?

I appreciate you'll need new baselines but my 104 cm hip circumference would suggest that I am not emaciated!

Many thanks,

London Derrière.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 January, 2018, 12:06:09 am
After some fettling, automatic updates are now working.

It remains to be seen what happens when the computer is sleeping.

Please Sir,

Can you put me in the graphs?

I appreciate you'll need new baselines but my 104 cm hip circumference would suggest that I am not emaciated!

Many thanks,

London Derrière.

I’ll have a look when I get a chance. People are added automatically but if you don’t have a recent (last 6 month) weight you won’t show in the top graph. I’ll try to check but also putting “away” on 3rd jan might have confused matters.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 January, 2018, 12:17:41 am
Sorry, thanks!

10 January weight coming soon.
Expect a gain...

ETA Which was not to be... :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 10 January, 2018, 11:28:01 am
Pleasing start, down from 96kg on boxing day to 94.7 on the 3rd Jan and then down to 93.5kgs today.   Extremely low carb and zero sugar since 1st Jan although that will change this Friday as we have our works party which will involve some alcohol.   
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 10 January, 2018, 06:13:54 pm
Usual January deal for me - including Dry January.

Trying more in the way of fasting this year - pretty much only one meal most days, plus random longer fasts.

I'm being "helped" at the moment by some cantankerous insides which is making me somewhat less inclined to eat. I think Christmas excess knocked my gut-biome out of kilter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 10 January, 2018, 07:59:20 pm
Down 1kg, despite a couple of 'wrong' days. I should be able to cut out more food without struggling too much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 11 January, 2018, 04:44:30 pm
So I've lost the "easy" 2kg in a week (and 5cm off the waistline) despite not really going for fasting in a big way.

Have been skipping lunch some days, cutting out snacks, cutting out booze most days too. One other change is stopped taking milk in tea and coffee. Now have black coffee and black tea with a slice of lemon. Given the amount of these beverages I consume daily that has probably saved hundreds of calories.

Going by experience, crossing the 80kg threshold will be the most difficult. For that I will probably need to do 5:2 properly as well as all the stuff I'm currently doing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 11 January, 2018, 06:17:54 pm
OK, so I've joined in. Not a great first week - weight went up due to cold, no exercise and too much food (feed a cold)

Target is doable I think, albeit reasonably challenging.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 January, 2018, 07:21:58 pm
A sick chest can cause fluid retention.
So long as you eat sensibly, your weight should drop next week...

Welcome to the weight witterers!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 12 January, 2018, 02:02:43 am
Considering switching to a 16:8 IF schedule. 16 hours fasting, lunch at 2pm, dinner at 10. Should enable me to eat after training.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2018, 01:50:25 pm
Considering switching to a 16:8 IF schedule. 16 hours fasting, lunch at 2pm, dinner at 10. Should enable me to eat after training.

I don't know what time you hit the hay but I don't think it's good to go to bed with a full stomach.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 12 January, 2018, 06:09:07 pm
Between 12 & 1 usually.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2018, 06:43:41 pm
Helly - you don’t seem to be on the graphs yet. I’ll investigate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2018, 08:05:35 pm
Between 12 & 1 usually.

Should be OK. I think you need at least three hours between a meal and bedtime,

Some folk get reflux, indigestion or trouble falling asleep if they go to bed too soon after a large meal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2018, 08:07:20 pm
Helly - you don’t seem to be on the graphs yet. I’ll investigate.

Thanks!

I was wondering but thought you had more than enough going on...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2018, 08:20:16 pm
Helly - you don’t seem to be on the graphs yet. I’ll investigate.

Thanks!

I was wondering but thought you had more than enough going on...

Script seemed to have internet issues on Thursday and may have been turned off.

I ran it manually just now - and there you are.
Title: ear
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2018, 08:35:39 pm
Thanks!

I applied my retrospectoscope and see that my New Year waist and weight were much the same in both 2014 and 2018.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 17 January, 2018, 12:11:55 pm
81.8kg this morning - moving in the right direction since the start of the year.

I think it helps tracking active calories on the new watch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 17 January, 2018, 08:34:02 pm
Same weight..with a bit of relief.  Struggled mightily with migraine over the weekend which lead to comfort eating. (It helps, honest!)
Title: Re: Weight Reports for 2018
Post by: Wal on 25 January, 2018, 07:22:36 pm
My weight went up this week as it was my 50th, much wine, good food, cake and champagne,  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 January, 2018, 12:45:04 am
Happy Birthday! I'll be 60 soon...

Weight trend seems downward.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: The Movers on 26 January, 2018, 12:48:47 am
Please keep discussion about weight woes in this thread and numerical entries only in weight reports.

Verbiage constipates Simon's computers!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 31 January, 2018, 01:49:35 pm
So, things going quite well this month.

Weight down nearly 5kg in a month. 7cm off the waist. Still over 27% body fat though (estimated, US Navy method) so no room for complacency.

Started 5:2 fasting properly in the past fortnight. Prior to that, just "eating a bit less", moderating alcohol intake, and gave up liquid milk completely; Also trying to cut out snacking, sweets, biscuits and the like (though not completely).

Feeling optimistic going into February - not often I can say that! Will continue with the 5:2 and the milk ban; Will also start a regular exercise regime (Commando 7) now that I'm not quite as abdominally obese as I was.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 January, 2018, 02:02:04 pm
Well done, crowriver!

I am less ambitious but will end January lighter than when it started, which is enough for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 February, 2018, 07:21:49 am
I'm having a horrendous time.
It seems my only response to stress is gluttony.

Bloody work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 01 February, 2018, 08:09:23 am
4.5kg down for Jan,   Pretty much zero sugar and very low carb.   Works Christmas party was only real night off.

Last two weeks have only seen a small drop in weight but I have also started properly weight training again so I suspect come muscle gains.   
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 01 February, 2018, 08:12:08 am
Who has lost around 5kg in January?  It seems I've found them, and would happily give them back to you.

Feeling poorly, not cycling enough, eating too much - mostly these, in varying order.  On the 'bright' side, I now have a weight loss target.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 February, 2018, 12:45:05 pm
I seem to be a little lighter than at the start of the year.
This might be real, as in fat loss; this might be 'noise' as in fluid shifts.
I have not GAINED. I am not yo-yoing.

Which is fine.

I will still attempt to offer support and sympathy for those who are stressed by Real Life because it's rather nice not worrying about work, etc!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 02 February, 2018, 01:15:09 pm
I seem to be minus a kilo since last week, not really sure how as I don't think I've been exercising more or eating/drinking less.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 07 February, 2018, 08:12:40 am
I stopped recording my waist measurement last year when I lost the tape measure.
Last week, I bought another one, so I have started again.
This morning, I opened the desk drawer to get the new one out, only to see the old one in plain sight in the same drawer.  :facepalm: (I know the 'div' thread is somewhere else)
Oh, well, at least the measurement was encouraging. An inch off since the last time I was measured in November.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 07 February, 2018, 08:19:25 am
Two weeks without scales and now new ones, not the best combination :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 07 February, 2018, 12:12:34 pm
Steady as she goes. Minimal weight loss this week, but trend still downwards. Next challenge is the stubborn 80kg barrier, which has defeated me on occasion in the past. We'll see what happens by the end of the month...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 February, 2018, 12:54:19 pm
Two weeks without scales and now new ones, not the best combination :(

Sympathies!
I was given nice new digital scales one Christmas; they wiped out a whole year's paltry loss!

My own weight has not changed.

At all.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 February, 2018, 04:37:47 pm
Errr Simon,
I know I'm an old woman dwelling on the past but it seems my initial 74kg weight and BMI of 27 (18/1/2012) don't feature in the graphs.

Sometimes I need to see these to improve my morale. I know it's all AGES ago but I wonder if you could oblige.

Ta muchly!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 08 February, 2018, 05:20:02 pm
Errr Simon,
I know I'm an old woman dwelling on the past but it seems my initial 74kg weight and BMI of 27 (18/1/2012) don't feature in the graphs.

Sometimes I need to see these to improve my morale. I know it's all AGES ago but I wonder if you could oblige.

Ta muchly!

The graphs do indeed only go back 6 years so those weights are now off the end of the graph.

I can easily generate an additional graph (or perhaps increase the longest to 8 years so it goes in powers of 2).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 February, 2018, 05:42:44 pm
Errr Simon,
I know I'm an old woman dwelling on the past but it seems my initial 74kg weight and BMI of 27 (18/1/2012) don't feature in the graphs.

Sometimes I need to see these to improve my morale. I know it's all AGES ago but I wonder if you could oblige.

Ta muchly!

The graphs do indeed only go back 6 years so those weights are now off the end of the graph.

I can easily generate an additional graph (or perhaps increase the longest to 8 years so it goes in powers of 2).

I suppose it's now over 6 years <GULP!>

YACF is approaching its 10th birthday and this thread is only a couple of days younger than YACF so maybe there's a place for 'big picture' graphs. Maybe I just want to prop myself up!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 08 February, 2018, 10:55:12 pm
Seems to be slow, but steady this year. Still struggling to enforce a better diet, but still cutting out most snacks, etc, which is helping. Could/should do better!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: py on 12 February, 2018, 02:34:45 pm
Relatively new to YACF, have been lurking a bit found this and the annual tracking thread so decided to get involved. Have made some positive changes to diet in terms of quality, quantity and when I'm eating which has led to some good results so far. Have also opted to bring a bidon with me on my commutes to ensure I get enough water during the day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 February, 2018, 06:30:25 pm
Bidons filled with tap juice will save you money, calories and reduce your plastic waste footprint - all good.

Welcome to yacf weight-witterers!

There are times when we are the slowest-moving part of the forum!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 14 February, 2018, 08:52:30 am
Back to moving and weighing post retinal surgery:) Up 1.2kgs over 3 weeks, but happy with that given I've not done anything! Now I just need to get ready for Deano's More Gravel (what will feel like) Forever!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 February, 2018, 12:49:07 pm
Static
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on 21 February, 2018, 09:24:28 am
It's been a rough two months, but I've finally done away with most of the holiday-related padding.  I am relieved.  I was beginning to think I was on my way back up to 'too much'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 21 February, 2018, 12:50:50 pm
Pretty much stasis for the past few weeks. It's the inevitable 80kg boundary which seems so hard to break through.

Might have to review what I'm eating on the other 5 days - maybe I'm overcompensating. Other possibility is my metabolism has re-adjusted to lower calorie intake. Also possible I've just been a tad too sedentary.

Time to revise plans a little...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 February, 2018, 12:58:11 pm
Not even any noise on my flat line...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 February, 2018, 11:54:42 am
Trivial loss of uncertain significance.
Well, that's not a gain.
Which is good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 28 February, 2018, 09:41:50 pm
Think I'm gaining at the moment. Haven't got back to moving since the retina and now it's snowed so I feel a bit cooped up.

-6C here tonight and slippery
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 21 March, 2018, 08:32:47 am
Finally breached the 80kg barrier today - only just.

Target weight looking closer every week. Just got to keep going with the 5:2.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 25 March, 2018, 11:05:38 am
just set up my weight chart for 2018, last weight recording in 2017 was sept 6th, then I gave up on my dodgy scale, coz they ate batterries. Went to Homebase yesterday for something, and swmbo started looking at scales. She is never bothered about her weight, but was given a FITBIT for mothers day, so keen to get it up and running,  and weight knowledge is paramount. So we found a nice set of black salter digi ones, with a BIG readout. Ex display, covered in dust, no bar code,  nothing on their pooter system ,  ok, 'but we want this one''' ;D''  Ok  but.....'' I'll give you £8 for it'' says I,  ok says the girl. Looked on line and they are £25 in Robert Dyas. well chuffed.
Anyway,  Sept 6th 2017...93.1 kg, after a 50km ride fasted, and today, straight out of bed, with last nights diner, 3 cans of beer, and  2 LARGE Captn Morgans,   92.1kg.. Not too badsy,  I'm not on the Keto thing,  but my carb intake is very  low, and I've been busy, and the snow etc, not been out on the bike much, plus been drinking a tad too much.  :thumbsup: ::-) :facepalm:
So I will endeavour to be good for a while.    b  o  o  r  i  n  g !  !   O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 March, 2018, 12:29:53 pm
We might have a similar set of scales. I think they run on CR 2532 lithium coin cells. Our first did not last very long but the replacement seems longer-lived.

Metal strips are peeling off the plate but we don't use the fat estimation.

Welcome back!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 25 March, 2018, 04:13:29 pm
That young TV body fitness guy, who is all the rage...... ::-) joe...something, looks about 10, anyway he avoids the scales, he calls it the step of shame! haha,I like that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 25 March, 2018, 05:32:49 pm
People who don't have to worry about what the scales say, come out with shit like that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 March, 2018, 05:40:14 pm
Scales can act as a wake-up call or something to satisfy idle curiosity.

I weighed myself as a kid and found the half a stone per year (from ages 5-12) weight reassuringly regular. It never changed my eating.

I am weighing myself weekly now, having not touched the scales in the latter half of last year. I can only say I'm not gaining weight right now...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 29 March, 2018, 11:03:17 am
Finally, finally dipped under the 14 stone and 90kg barriers this morning.   Hit a plateau last summer at around 14stone 10 which I have really had to work hard to get though.

7.6 kg down since Christmas and a total loss now of 6 stone 3 lbs from my heaviest ever.

Training now for a PB 10k in may at which point I would like to be another 4 or 5 pounds lighter.

Hoping I can start rethinking my yearly target if I can keep this discipline up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 March, 2018, 02:45:08 pm
There's a bit more noise on my flat line.

No convincing evidence of loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 29 March, 2018, 07:08:06 pm
Yay, the end on Lent, no bread, no cheese, no meat, no pastry, NO FUN.
About 9kg lost in 45 days, but I'm not doing that again. 
Taking Easter off, then it's time to look for something more sustainable to lose the other 10kg, though probably not looking to lose more than around 500g a week.
I tried intermittent fasting at the start of the year (It worked for me a few years ago) but I now have a fairly physical job and felt lacking in energy. 
But the question for tonight is what to have on the pizza ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 March, 2018, 12:11:54 am
 
But the question for tonight is what to have on the pizza ;D

Whatever you fancy and I hope you enjoyed it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 30 March, 2018, 10:57:54 am
 
But the question for tonight is what to have on the pizza ;D

Whatever you fancy and I hope you enjoyed it!
I did thanks :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 April, 2018, 03:34:16 pm
There's a bit more noise on my flat line.

No convincing evidence of loss.

There is more noise on my flat line.

Definitely no evidence of loss...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 12 April, 2018, 01:18:07 am
Still steadily decreasing. Our old analog scale is not very accurate, but definitely on a downward trend at about 0.25kgs per week and belt is on last hole too. Need to add one more weekly kendo practice/gym session to get a few more calories burned off, but hopefully spring/summer should also get me outdoors a lot more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 13 April, 2018, 07:52:33 pm
Y A Y !  first time in living memory........ ;) I've dipped below the 90kg..........89.7kg this morning, straight out of bed, well, after a p.....,   well chuffed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 April, 2018, 03:43:53 pm
I didn't bother taking part in the WL thread this year, it has been so ineffective in the past. I had a quick look through and it appears that few people have kept up their weight registrations and only two or three have lost any significant weight. Paul H says "not doing that again" and Blodwyn Pig is very pleased to be under90kg (well done both!)

I have been making a solo effort at losing weight and this morning was exactly 120kg, the lightest of the year so far. That represents about 3 or 4 kg own on the year. I have made some changes to my diet. It is well over a month since I bought beer at the supermarket. I have also decided to avoid breakfast every other day. Normally it's a bowl of porridge. I know people say that breakfast is the one meal you ought to eat, but I find that I can quite easily avoid temptation before lunch in a way that is much harder later in the day. I haven't got a clue as to why that might be.

I am getting a lot of exercise, having been on a number of 10 or so mile walks. Not so much cycling though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 April, 2018, 04:31:24 pm
I might be 'out' for a while. My weight is static but acceptable though I would still like to be lighter.

Unlike many, I lost most of my excess in 2012 (which is dropping off the graphs), a bit more the next year and have kept most of it off.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 26 April, 2018, 08:04:23 am
I didn't bother taking part in the WL thread this year, it has been so ineffective in the past.
I have to admit that I don't think logging my weight here actually encourages me to lose any of it, but it provides me with an anchor in the week so weighing on Wednesday becomes the 'official' one.
But I'm feeling a bit down about weight loss at the moment as I have discovered that the new set of scales MrsC bought appear to be inaccurate, at least when comparing the metric and imperial measures. The imperial reading seems to be a couple of pounds lighter than the metric one. As I've been using the imperial setting (except for Wednesdays) this was a disappointment. Being realistic, I've still lost about a stone over the past year which is really pretty good (as it seems to be staying off) but the psychological effect of 'about twelve and a half stone' as opposed to 'just over twelve stone' is real.
Oh well. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 26 April, 2018, 09:49:23 am
I've had mixed success, but none of it can really be ascribed to the WL thread itself.

In 2007 I went 90kg to 76kg in 9 months (as my Audaxing habit increased):

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/2007weights.png)

And in 2016 I had a similar drop rate for 4 months or so (marathon training mostly):-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/2016weights.png)

(The red dots were the goal of a 0.5kg loss per week.)

For me the thread (when I use it) is just a copy of the log of my weight. There's some small motivational gain from seeing one's weight drop on a web page, but 99.999% of the progress is through sheer hard work by ramping up exercise levels (massively in some cases) and also modifying intake accordingly [less snacking, etc]. Stick to the plan and remember that the rewards for the temporary tiredness/aching/hunger are definitely worth it.

I record daily weight elsewhere and I'll see if I remember to copy it across to the WL thread when/if I can be bothered.

Anyway, I should be on the way back down again (and making more of an effort to keep it down this time). 96kg now, 90kg by August, 80kg by Christmas, 76kg by April 2019.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 26 April, 2018, 10:02:14 am
We now have WiFi scales, so don't need to record anything anymore - we just stand on 'em and it's done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 26 April, 2018, 10:26:11 am
We now have WiFi scales, so don't need to record anything anymore - we just stand on 'em and it's done.

The geek in me would find that useful, however I just can't justify spending that much extra £££ over a normal set of scales.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 April, 2018, 11:18:29 am
I lost most of my excess in 2012.
Though I participated in this thread, I only entered actual weights for that year on the 'charts' in retrospect, YEARS later when my morale needed a boost and weight was nearly static.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 26 April, 2018, 11:28:55 am
I find the weekly logging on here a useful discipline, I'd never bother recording my weight so methodically otherwise.

Pleased to say that I'm below 79kg (just) for the first time in over two years. Slow and steady on the tiller of the good ship 5:2 intermittent fasting seems to work for me. This year I've been doing two fasting days back-to-back, as opposed to spreading them through the week as in previous years. So far, so good. Waist circumference coming down steadily too, now below the 94cm "danger zone" (according to NHS). This latter is what I need to keep working on if I want to stay healthier in my fifth decade.

Coincidentally it's been over two years since I rode an audax. Still cycle for utility (no car so this is essential) and the odd leisure ride. Hope to do some longer rides this summer, maybe an audax too if I'm feeling fit enough. I have taken up hill walking again over the past year, and find it very rewarding and enjoyable. Only snag is it requires nearly as much time as audaxing, though less equipment needed and I go places where it would be difficult to ride a bike. Tending my allotment plot also provides a good workout on a regular basis.

Overall I'm much encouraged this year regarding weight loss strategies, after a couple of years where it all seemed to be going wrong. I even drink a few beers and some wine or whisky now and again. Perhaps without these indulgences my weight loss would have been faster, but at least I can relax a little and enjoy life somewhat. Fasting days provide a necessary corrective.

Spring is finally here, so there's much to be positive about. Onward!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 April, 2018, 04:29:43 pm
I broke through the 19 stone/120kg marker today. Hurrah!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 April, 2018, 04:30:55 pm
Well done, WB!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 26 April, 2018, 05:34:38 pm
I like the thread because it documents my fluctuations through the years.

Soooo, back on the wagon. Back to a new slimming world group, since that worked well for me before. I can't keep waiting for a stable life, I've just got to get on with it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andrewc on 27 April, 2018, 10:50:31 am
Last week I weighed in at 105kg, that's too much even for a tall chap like me.   

No large bowl of muesli for breakfast & no sandwich & bag of crisps or kitkat for lunch.    Evening meals fairly normal & a bottle of wine sneaked past my guard on Wednesday.  I'm in a sedentary desk job but walk a couple of miles a day. No motivation to do any more exercise after work at the moment.

This morning was 102kg .   I'm hoping I can keep this up , I've got a 2 week tour in France starting at the end of next week.  It would be nice to come back lighter for a change.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Graeme on 29 April, 2018, 05:48:31 pm
I tried logging weight a few years ago but my motivation just wasn't in it.

Several years ago I was 107kg. Then, over a period of six months I calorie counted my way down to 82.5kg - I was skinny as a skinny thing and even bought a t-shirt in 'medium' size. (I'm 6' tall). Since then it crept back on and over the last year I've found myself hovering between 95kg and 100kg. I'm now solidly 100kg and knocking 101, 102. I do not want to be 107 again.

In the last two years I've tried calorie counting again. It worked once right? But it isn't working this time. I apply diligence daily and I can see my weight drop over a four week period, maybe 1.5kg. But one mistake. One mistake. And the whole lot comes rushing back on. It is like the calories to lose weight are different to the calories to gain weight. What bugs me is that a calorie is the energy needed to raise 1g of water 1oC... or a variation thereof. I use to sell the equipment to calculate calories in food. You essentially incinerate the food and measure the energy input vs the energy output. But humans are not steam powered. The chemical process of converting a peanut into cycling uphill is not the same as that of turning a bacon sandwich into cycling uphill. It certainly isn't as simple as throwing food into a furnace and heating water to move my limbs. Oh I'm frustrated.

So my daughter suggests that long distance cycling is the problem. She says my body is a finely tuned bunch of chemical processes working in beautiful harmony. She says the simple fact that I can ride a bike a long way is evidence that my body is working (compared with my wife's body which has ME and doesn't work the same way). My daughter thinks that my body is super efficient at turning food into stored energy ready to be used for endurance cycling and for keeping me warm in the cold. My body is, apparently, cleverer than I am.

So daughter has a plan. Dad, she said. Go and ride a short hard ride. Ride as fast as you can for 10 minutes, ride so fast you can hardly breathe. Your body isn't used to that and it will have to start to think differently about how it stores energy.

Today I went out and rode as fast as I can for 10 minutes. I managed to finish in 7 minutes 31.1 seconds. Woo! (Yeah I know) Anyway I was breathing so hard I could hardly think. My legs hurt and my lungs hurt and... and I'm wondering if my daughter is as smart and wonderful as my body. I wonder if she's on to something. I can't remember riding this hard in years. She's told me to do this every 2 to 3 days. I don't want to calorie count anymore it just depresses me. I don't want to weight watch anymore - all I do is watch my weight go up. But putting some effort into something different like this - I think I can do that.

I suspect you've already figured some of this out. I'll bet in the last hundred pages someone has already tried this. Did it work? I'm unhappy with my fat suit and want to feel happier about my body. This isn't about social images of fatness... although vicar 'in full sail' is a stereotype I'd like to avoid. I just want to feel like I can breathe again.

:-|
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 April, 2018, 06:07:17 pm
My suggestions:

1. Give recreational carbs a rest.
2. Give bread/starches a rest1
3. Do what your daughter suggests.

1 Beer is just liquid bread, you know this right? Worth mentioning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 April, 2018, 06:43:05 pm
Riding really hard for 10 minutes will certainly raise your level of calorie burning for those 10 minutes and maybe some 'cool-down' time afterwards. How much it changes your metabolism for the rest of the day is moot and variable.
The exercise will certainly get your heart pumping and blood coursing round the body.

Actual calorie consumption will be disappointing. This is around a two-finger Kit-Kat, two Jaffa Cakes or a Fox's Chunkie Cookie - 90-115 kcal.

Go for it! See what difference it makes.

Low intensity exertion, like walking, has made the most difference to people I know.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 April, 2018, 07:40:25 pm
You could try the religious approach:
Recite a Grace before food passes your lips.
Recite a Grace at the end of a meal.
Finish a meal satisfied but with room for more.

Do not eat between meals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 April, 2018, 07:43:13 pm
Work and Recreation should be kept separate  :hand:  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 April, 2018, 07:49:08 pm
If you believe in God, you believe he is with you all of the day and night and you are mindful of His Presence in all you do.

Or should be...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Graeme on 30 April, 2018, 09:15:49 am
You could try the religious approach:
Recite a Grace before food passes your lips.
Recite a Grace at the end of a meal.
Finish a meal satisfied but with room for more.

Do not eat between meals.

I think that sounds like self-control.
I've heard that self-control is a spiritual gift.
I wonder if that was the spiritual gift I haven't unwrapped yet.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Graeme on 30 April, 2018, 09:16:23 am
What is a recreational carb?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 30 April, 2018, 09:17:34 am
What is a recreational carb?

Cake, sweets, doughnuts, crisps; processed stuff.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 30 April, 2018, 10:01:35 am
Riding really hard for 10 minutes will certainly raise your level of calorie burning for those 10 minutes and maybe some 'cool-down' time afterwards. How much it changes your metabolism for the rest of the day is moot and variable.
The exercise will certainly get your heart pumping and blood coursing round the body.
If it's intense enough to build muscle, won't that also effect metabolism? All good, but even with the most optimistic estimates it's still not going to consume enough calories to make much difference - rough calculation, if 1 kg weight loss is 7,000 cal and 10 min intense is 160 cal, then it'll take around 22 weeks to lose a kg :o

I'm a serial dieter, lose the weight then put it  back on again, usually triggered by illness or injury...  and round again.   I've found different disciplines have worked at different times, they all involve a considerable reduction in calories, I don't think there is a shortcut and it is that simple. 
Currently on a strict calorie count Mon - Fri and eating whatever I fancy at the weekends, going OK, but it isn't sustainable and will have to deal with that once I've achieved the loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 30 April, 2018, 10:20:34 am
Riding really hard for 10 minutes will certainly raise your level of calorie burning for those 10 minutes and maybe some 'cool-down' time afterwards. How much it changes your metabolism for the rest of the day is moot and variable.
The exercise will certainly get your heart pumping and blood coursing round the body.
If it's intense enough to build muscle, won't that also effect metabolism? All good, but even with the most optimistic estimates it's still not going to consume enough calories to make much difference - rough calculation, if 1 kg weight loss is 7,000 cal and 10 min intense is 160 cal, then it'll take around 22 weeks to lose a kg :o

I find exercise acts like an appetite suppressant. Sometimes I'll feel hungry but don't want to eat because I'm planning on going for a run or a swim in the next hour or so and don't want to have to re-swallow my breakfast/lunch, but when I'm back from my run/swim I don't feel hungry any more.

I think this is a bonus trick behind the HIIT weight loss strategy (a slightly boosted metabolism may also be contributing). If even a short 10 minute bout of exercise is enough to stop you snacking as much it could lead to weight loss through reduced calorie consumption (assuming you don't make up for it when you do eventually eat).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 April, 2018, 11:56:00 am
Riding really hard for 10 minutes will certainly raise your level of calorie burning for those 10 minutes and maybe some 'cool-down' time afterwards. How much it changes your metabolism for the rest of the day is moot and variable.
The exercise will certainly get your heart pumping and blood coursing round the body.
If it's intense enough to build muscle, won't that also effect metabolism? All good, but even with the most optimistic estimates it's still not going to consume enough calories to make much difference - rough calculation, if 1 kg weight loss is 7,000 cal and 10 min intense is 160 cal, then it'll take around 22 weeks to lose a kg :o

I don't know how much a burn session speeds up metabolism for the rest of the day; it's probably variable and not a great deal.

It might not be enough to stimulate the appetite, which would be a benefit. If it DOES stimulate the appetite, it would be very easy to overeat...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 April, 2018, 12:02:48 pm
Religion aside, I think it's useful to be mindful of what and when you're eating.

Habitual mindless eating is very fattening. I don't have a TV but eating while watching is bad for the teeth and waistline IMO.

If you need something in your hands whilst watching, the various needlecrafts are good as you MUST have clean hands...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: De Sisti on 30 April, 2018, 02:53:55 pm
Can't wait for my hip replacement operation on Wed (2nd May) and the post-op drugs I have to take.
Fragmin (for me) is great as an appetite suppressant. On each occasion I've taken it after an operation
has result in weight loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 30 April, 2018, 03:03:16 pm
Hope all goes well with the op.

You need good nutrition to recover well from surgery so methinks you should eat fair amounts of Good Stuff.

ETA Under-nutrition impairs healing. Don't!

You'll be fasting or have poor appetite at times. Eat WELL when you feel like eating.

Don't fret about losing or gaining weight in the peri-operative period. The body's response to trauma (and surgery) can cause BIG shifts in water for some. Some people retain a lot of water, that shifts after a while. I'd suggest a fortnight (at least) without a weigh-in.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: De Sisti on 30 April, 2018, 03:32:29 pm
Thank you HM. Will also be doing the exercise (to the letter) to gain strength and flexibility. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 03 May, 2018, 11:57:57 am
I would never argue with a vicar! (probably because she would hit me!)

However whilst I understand your reference is to eating food offered to idols, I think the practice of giving thanks for food (saying Grace) goes back a lot further.

For instance Jesus, is recorded as giving thanks for the bread before he broke it.  Certainly for our family saying Grace is a very simple but powerful way of reminding ourselves at every meal that food is a gift not a given.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Graeme on 04 May, 2018, 01:01:01 pm
I would never argue with a vicar! (probably because she would hit me!)

However whilst I understand your reference is to eating food offered to idols, I think the practice of giving thanks for food (saying Grace) goes back a lot further.

For instance Jesus, is recorded as giving thanks for the bread before he broke it.  Certainly for our family saying Grace is a very simple but powerful way of reminding ourselves at every meal that food is a gift not a given.

I hadn't put those things together. Silly me. Helly's point that, from a dietary perspective it is good to be mindful of what goes into your mouth is well taken too.
Thank you.
G.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 May, 2018, 10:39:59 pm
Another religious aspect of eating in Judaism is the recitation of a Blessing the first time you eat a fruit in a season, thanking the Lord for sustaining oneself to this season.

I like the idea of celebrating fruits coming into season.

Maybe I should mostly eat seasonal food that has not travelled too far.

Strawberries are not special if you get them all year...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 09 May, 2018, 10:27:50 am
Some exercise on a daily basis definitely good for you, full stop.

On fasting days I find keeping busy with just about anything helps you to forget that you may be feeling peckish. Walking is good because the stimulus of moving through the landscape takes your mind off things. Cycling also good, but if you go too fast or too far the HUNGER arrives as soon as you stop. Even something as simple as being busy at work, with a deadline to meet, can make the hours fly by without even noticing you may be a trifle underfed. Gardening also good - occupies the mind as well as the body. I don't think I could just "do exercise" gym style on a fasting day: too monotonous, your mind inevitably wanders to the topic of food...

Oh and drinking coffee (not too strong) and lots of water through the day helps too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on 09 May, 2018, 10:42:53 am
<snip>I find exercise acts like an appetite suppressant. <snip>

There's somethoing I call "day 2" syndrome.

Following a Keto diet, I don't get that hungry during rides... eating is as much about morale as sustenance. I'm generally not that hungry the day after either, and it's relatively easy not to overat. It's always 'day 2' I feel ravenous.

A lesson learned is that whilst it's possible to get away without eating much on the day of a ride, eating definitely aides recovery in the following days  (and if its a multi-day event that I'll need to eat anyway).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2018, 12:11:01 pm
The Tuesday/midweek Vorax always appeared when I was doing Audax and going keto wasn't an issue then. I was RAVENOUS!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 May, 2018, 10:07:40 pm
Took 5 attempts to be able to stand sufficiently steadily on scales for them to beep.
Used them for the first time in a month.
No significant change.

GN: Waist circumference is steady.
BN: Hip circumference is UP.

'She has an hourglass figure, but the sand has sifted to the bottom.'

My waist to hip ratio is 0.7. Waist:height 0.44.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: py on 25 May, 2018, 11:31:13 am
Relatively new to YACF, have been lurking a bit found this and the annual tracking thread so decided to get involved. Have made some positive changes to diet in terms of quality, quantity and when I'm eating which has led to some good results so far. Have also opted to bring a bidon with me on my commutes to ensure I get enough water during the day.

Updating has been tough. Back to back to back colds in February was a real pain and then we'd a new addition to the family in March. Finally back in a rhythm/routine where food is being monitored and am getting a small bit more time back on the bike before work. Need to get back on Zwift soon though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 30 May, 2018, 02:32:54 pm
Weight static this week, but my waistline appears to be continuing to shrink, which is good news.

I suspect some rearranging of bodily structure is going on. A bit more cycling in the good weather probably helping.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: py on 20 June, 2018, 12:19:50 pm
Relatively new to YACF, have been lurking a bit found this and the annual tracking thread so decided to get involved. Have made some positive changes to diet in terms of quality, quantity and when I'm eating which has led to some good results so far. Have also opted to bring a bidon with me on my commutes to ensure I get enough water during the day.

Updating has been tough. Back to back to back colds in February was a real pain and then we'd a new addition to the family in March. Finally back in a rhythm/routine where food is being monitored and am getting a small bit more time back on the bike before work. Need to get back on Zwift soon though.

Between May 22nd and June 17th when my 16/8 intermittent fasting was run pretty much religiously I lost 7Kg. Since Sunday I've moved to "water" fasting to see what sort of effect it has on my mental/physical state. Will report back on how I'm getting on. I'm about 72 hours in without any food, just water consumption at about 3 litres/day. Still commuting on my bike to/from work but I'm doing at Z1 levels to keep efforts to a minimum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: py on 27 June, 2018, 12:06:00 pm
Between May 22nd and June 17th when my 16/8 intermittent fasting was run pretty much religiously I lost 7Kg. Since Sunday I've moved to "water" fasting to see what sort of effect it has on my mental/physical state. Will report back on how I'm getting on. I'm about 72 hours in without any food, just water consumption at about 3 litres/day. Still commuting on my bike to/from work but I'm doing at Z1 levels to keep efforts to a minimum.

Managed 8 days of "water" fasting. Cycling at endurance efforts was fine during this period though I didn't do anything over 30Km. Energy levels were generally fine though did get dizzy the odd time if I stood up too quickly. I drank 2-3 litres of water every day. Suffered some cramp so added electrolytes in to some of the water at the latter stages of the 8 days which helped with the cramping. I've a young family at home so the weekend was tough to get through, would much preferred to have been isolated for the duration of it which also would've led to better sleep. Going to continue to track things over the next few weeks and will revert back to 16/8 intermittent fasting in the coming days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: valkyrie on 02 July, 2018, 09:21:11 pm
After 18 months of gradual weight loss through using a Fitbit to manage calories in/out I hit my target weight on Friday. On Saturday I rode a very hot and sunny 300km Audax (Snow Roads). Weighed myself this morning and I'd put 1.7kg back on! Pretty sure I've had a substantial calorie deficit over the weekend so I don't understand where the weight comes from. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 02 July, 2018, 09:24:39 pm
Water retention, probably. It'll go again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bikey-mikey on 02 July, 2018, 09:27:33 pm
After 18 months of gradual weight loss through using a Fitbit to manage calories in/out I hit my target weight on Friday. On Saturday I rode a very hot and sunny 300km Audax (Snow Roads). Weighed myself this morning and I'd put 1.7kg back on! Pretty sure I've had a substantial calorie deficit over the weekend so I don't understand where the weight comes from. Any ideas?

When you push hard like that 300, your body naturally goes into repair mode, which includes holding extra fluid (mainly water) around all the muscles that need repair...

The water comes from your normal fluid intake, and although you won’t notice, you won’t have been peeing as much as normal....

As a result you get a TEMPORARY increase in weight, BUT only for a few days, and when the repairs are finished, all the water is no longer needed, and hey presto: your weight will have gone down !

Well that’s what usually happens anyway.   😎


(Cross posted.... 🤪🤪)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 July, 2018, 09:41:19 pm
'Injury' type fluid retention usually disperses in 4-10 days.

Either don't weigh yourself or chart your weights with obsessive scientific interest.

But don't fret.

And don't let this temporary non-fat weight blip lure you into a binge, which might make you fatter, not wetter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: quixoticgeek on 02 July, 2018, 10:00:32 pm
'Injury' type fluid retention usually disperses in 4-10 days.

Either don't weigh yourself or chart your weights with obsessive scientific interest.

But don't fret.

And don't let this temporary non-fat weight blip lure you into a binge, which might make you fatter, not wetter.

I'm glad I stumbled on this part of the thread. After steady losses, a kg her, another kg there, I recently did 275km of a 600 (then bailed, and did 60k the next day to get home), on barely 2000kcal of intake (30°C temps plus exercise shut down my gastric system it seems), I was horrified to find myself 1kg heavier when I weighed myself 2 days later.

I wonder what this weeks weigh in will show.

26kg to go...

J
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 July, 2018, 11:38:31 pm
Whatever you are doing, you might have noticed it's rather hot in much of the UK at present.

Don't be surprised if your ankles swell and you gain a little weight.

It's only water which you'll flush away once the temperature drops.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: quixoticgeek on 03 July, 2018, 12:12:12 am
Whatever you are doing, you might have noticed it's rather hot in much of the UK at present.

Don't be surprised if your ankles swell and you gain a little weight.

It's only water which you'll flush away once the temperature drops.

Yeah. This rather hot here too. And being a swamp, crazy humid too. Ankles haven't swollen yet, but they will soon enough...

J
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 July, 2018, 12:18:25 am
Even if your ankles don't swell, the circulating blood volume expands as blood vessels dilate, bringing more blood to the skin to dump heat outside the body.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 07 July, 2018, 07:26:51 am


For instance Jesus, is recorded as giving thanks for the bread before he broke it.  Certainly for our family saying Grace is a very simple but powerful way of reminding ourselves at every meal that food is a gift not a given.

Ah, but who was he giving thanks to? Wasn't he the start of Christianity as most people see it, surely he was just following another tradition, ie paganism, he was brought up under Roman rule?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 07 July, 2018, 08:38:18 am
As I have suspected for some time, our scales have been under-reading. MrsC replaced the battery this week and we both put on three pounds!  :o
Oh well. I'm not going to retrospectively correct my data in the tracker. Just have to keep on keeping on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 July, 2018, 10:49:12 am


For instance Jesus, is recorded as giving thanks for the bread before he broke it.  Certainly for our family saying Grace is a very simple but powerful way of reminding ourselves at every meal that food is a gift not a given.

Ah, but who was he giving thanks to? Wasn't he the start of Christianity as most people see it, surely he was just following another tradition, ie paganism, he was brought up under Roman rule?

I think Jesus was Jewish and following the OT dictum of eating, being satisfied and thanking The Lord.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 08 July, 2018, 11:22:33 pm
Whatever you are doing, you might have noticed it's rather hot in much of the UK at present.

Don't be surprised if your ankles swell and you gain a little weight.

It's only water which you'll flush away once the temperature drops.
Slightly off topic but... Pituitary Gone broke with the TBI. I have to take Desmopressin, Anti diuretic hormones, to stay alive. How will this work on weight/water/sweat Etc in the Hot weather? I am Sweating bathtubs, even on a moderately warm day. Should I be careful of water intake, Salt loss/intake and other things?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 July, 2018, 01:05:27 pm
I am no endocrine expert!

I suspect you should take your usual desmopressin and drink normally.

If your weight fluctuates wildly, see a doctor.

Mean time keep cool with usual measures of fanning,ice, iced drinks, cool packs, cool showers, damp flannels, using basins of cold water as heat sinks etc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 10 July, 2018, 09:25:34 am
Well I started a diet in January with the aim of losing 7-10lbs (preferably the latter).  By June I hadn't lost an oz but instead gained 4lb.  All my own fault.  For some reason I had some negative psychological reaction to achieving my own goal, self sabotaged, had lost nothing each time I got on the scales, so thought 'what the hell' and so ate bread, crisps, chocolate and ice-cream.   

A colleague of mine, on the other hand, lost 1.5 stone in 8 weeks.  She's being doing low GI and she lent me the book that she was using to follow the diet.  I couldn't imagine living on 800 calories a day without keeling over.  So I have made a decision to cut out bread, crisps and only have one caffeinated drink a day, and to drink the recommended 2 Lt of water a day.  I have been doing this for just over two weeks (I started on a Sunday) and I have lost 3.2kg/7lbs; so only another 3.2kg to go!!  I need to keep this up for at least another fortnight to help me  break the habit (i.e. 40 days to break a habit) of reaching for a sandwich, or worse chocolate and crisps, when I am rushing from meeting to meeting. 

It's quite strange, I'm enjoying my meals more now. My skin looks better (the water), and I have more energy.

There is a temptation though to try for my (Bridget Jones style) ideal weight (the weight I was at 18); which is a further 2kg.  Being 5 foot nothing, this makes a big difference to my shape.  However, I can guarantee that in the true style of Bridget Jones, people will ask me if I am ill!! So may be I will only go on further with caution!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 10 July, 2018, 11:14:39 am
Graphs updated yesterday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 July, 2018, 04:37:59 pm
I see the lads rescued from the Thai cave lost around 2 kg in the fortnight they were underground.

Fat is pretty efficient...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 11 July, 2018, 05:26:07 pm
Fat is shockingly efficient! There is a research report on a 27 year old who underwent a 382 medically supervised fast and remained 'ambulatory' throughout. His blood numbers were interesting, glucose dropped to 30(forget the units it was american) but he remained functional. I presume he lost a lot of spare weight... I'll re read at some point.

Dropped to 82kgs this morning. First time under 13 stone in a few months:)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 July, 2018, 07:12:36 pm
Fat is shockingly efficient! There is a research report on a 27 year old who underwent a 382 medically supervised fast and remained 'ambulatory' throughout. His blood numbers were interesting, glucose dropped to 30(forget the units it was american) but he remained functional. I presume he lost a lot of spare weight... I'll re read at some point.

Dropped to 82kgs this morning. First time under 13 stone in a few months:)

Was that 382 days? I think you might have missed a word!

I think a blood sugar of 30 translates to 1.67mmol/l (divide by 18), which is very low, though might be tolerable if its onset was gradual.

Normal range is 4-7 mmol/l in the UK and a blood sugar below 2 can kill. (Higher levels can be dangerous too if the drop is rapid.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 11 July, 2018, 07:27:26 pm
It's my understanding that really low blood sugar like that is OK provided ketone bodies are appropriately high, and the person has acclimatised to ketosis.

There was some research done back in the day whereby Type 1 diabetics were keto-adapted, then injected with vast amounts of insulin such that their blood sugar dropped below the level where they should have been comatose or dead, and they were perfectly fine. This was a while ago - it wouldn't been deemed ethical these days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 11 July, 2018, 07:39:58 pm
Helly, yes days - sorry. I assume he lost something like 1kg every 4 to 5 days, say 4.5 mean, so probably around 80kgs, though I've not read it again and his base metabolic requirement may have been lower. I presume he was very overweight to start with, but 80kgs of excess fat is not that uncommon I think.

Yes, I think the view was that his blood ketone body levels rose as he moved into at metabolism and that kept his brain working and him alive. He hit blood glucose of 30 fairly quickly, then stabilised. I'll try and find a link.

Yes, the experiments on pushing blood glucose right down (to below 1?) would not be considered ethical now! Again focusing on the use of ketone bodies as an alternative brain fuel was a purpose of the experiment. I think the difference was that the individuals concerned were already avoiding dietary carb intake and producing ketone bodies from fat breakdown, which is presumably different to injecting an individual who has been well fed on a carb based diet with excess insulin and crashing the blood glucose before the body has time to respond by producing the alternative fuel.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 27 July, 2018, 03:49:16 pm
Well going on holiday put my weight loss into reverse. Unrestrained eating and modest drinking the cause.

Was depressed if unsurprised to see 3 kilos added last week. Over the next two days, I water fasted and felt much better and slimmer: like detox. Even with subsequently eating in restaurants and drinking beer and ouzo, this week I was still down on the high of last week, but not by much.

Back to 5:2 on Monday now that I'm once more in the UK. Will also substitute two days' water fasting for the 5:2 regime one week per month to see how that goes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 July, 2018, 07:25:42 pm
Most of the weight gain from indulgent holidays (or Christmas) is glycogen + water and will drop away as soon as sensible eating resumes.

It is unusual to gain >2kg fat in a fortnight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 01 August, 2018, 11:40:58 am
Pleased to report I'm back on track, seem to have lost all the holiday weight following my usual 5:2 regime. Will look to do a bit of water fasting later in the month too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 15 August, 2018, 01:32:09 pm
Okay so after 7.5 weeks I have lost 12lb.  I think I might work towards another 2lb which will make me 7 stone 12lb, but not too bothered if I don't get there.

<does a happy dance>

I have to be careful though, if I lose too much weight, people start worrying that I am ill.  I've noticed that a couple of colleagues have look me up and down but not said anything, so I have reassured them that the weight loss is intentional.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 15 August, 2018, 05:51:23 pm
I have to be careful though, if I lose too much weight, people start worrying that I am ill. 

One of my friends has started doing this to me. BMI of 24 is hardly skeletal.
But at least it shows there's been a noticeable difference.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 18 August, 2018, 02:00:21 pm
Really need to get started with my weight loss. Still up at 96kg after injury setbacks and days off gone due to parenting during the summer holidays. I'll be back on the bike from September and running again late September.

Still aiming for under 80kg by April 2019.

253 days until London Marathon which is 36 weeks, so 18kg at 0.5kg/week but hoping to push that to 0.6kg/week if I can to get down to under 75kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 August, 2018, 06:44:01 pm
Gloucester regatta this weekend.

City of Bristol have turned up in numbers. 5 boats in our open 4+ class, 3 of them from City. We don’t have a bye so it’s possible to retain our crown from last year we’d have to beat three City crews in a row.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Poly Hive on 29 August, 2018, 01:48:27 pm
The wife and I decided we had to do the proverbial "something" as we were looking podgy and feeling crappy too boot.

So the beloved enlisted with Slimming World and I joined in for moral support and to hopefully lose a bit. This was the 7th of June.

To date I have lost 33 pounds and she has lost 9. I feel great and have pretty much given up on an evening meal, instead having a bowl of fruit topped with Skyr. We have also stopped alcohol and this has made we think the real difference. 

I was losing 2 pounds every week but now have dropped to a pound a week but I am not fussed so long as the scales keep heading south. After all the first two stones were pretty painless and if the 3d takes a bit longer then so be it.

My loss has been free so what would it cost to lose 33lbs from a bike?

PH
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 August, 2018, 02:11:16 pm
Most decent upright solo bikes don't have 33lb to lose!

Well done Mr & Mrs PH!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 08 September, 2018, 11:42:48 am
Okay so after 7.5 weeks I have lost 12lb.  I think I might work towards another 2lb which will make me 7 stone 12lb, but not too bothered if I don't get there.

<does a happy dance>

I have to be careful though, if I lose too much weight, people start worrying that I am ill.  I've noticed that a couple of colleagues have look me up and down but not said anything, so I have reassured them that the weight loss is intentional.

I lost a stone in the end.  I have eaten bread for a little while and gained 1lb.  Today I start again with the aim of losing 4-6lbs which will make me between 7stone 9lb and 7stone 11lbs and gives a bit of room for gain due to eating bread and chocolate again. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 10 September, 2018, 12:02:30 pm
Hmm, came back off my tour at 65.5kg, the lowest I've been in a long time.  Now back to around 66-66.5kg where I was before I went, only oddity is that I'm now back onto the last hole of my "diabetes belt" the one I bought pre-diagnosis when all my other belts were to large.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 September, 2018, 06:52:11 pm
I'm not sure if 'last hole' means the one that allows the larges or smallest waist size...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 10 September, 2018, 09:24:20 pm
smallest
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 September, 2018, 09:27:35 pm
More muscle, less visceral fat.

All good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 12 September, 2018, 10:14:30 am
Still plodding away on the 5:2. No repeat of the water fasting as yet, can't quite face it...

Weight is going in the right direction, but slower than I'd like. However if it keeps up this progress I could be back where I was in late May/early June within a short space of time. Getting below 78kg is the barrier at the moment: haven't managed that all year. If I can achieve that then there's a chance I might make my target weight by the year end. We shall see.

I have a daily exercise regime so I'm definitely feeling fitter than I was a. month ago. Will keep that up too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: py on 12 September, 2018, 10:27:00 am
Back off holidays with ~2Kg extra in weight. Back on the bike commuting in addition to trying to finish out the Zwift academy before the 30th September deadline. Diet has cleaned back up after a bit of indulgence away.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 September, 2018, 03:10:13 pm
I have little idea what my weight is.

I am still wearing my Size 12 trousers, which are snug on the bum and very roomy on the tum.

My belly is well below my hip bones when I lie flat.

I think that's OK.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 13 September, 2018, 06:51:58 pm
I thought I'd look at the beginning of this thread to see what I was saying back then.
Oo look, there are links to all the tracker threads. I wonder what I was like on the first one, 2008?

 :-[ trying to lose weight and lighter than I am now. Oh well.
And I've been doing so well this year.

So I have reduced my target to the weight I was back then (and don't have any real expectation of getting down to my then target).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 September, 2018, 07:12:58 pm
In 2008, I was around 70kg and didn't bother weighing myself. My weight and size were pretty steady.
In 2009, I went to France and picked up a croissant habit.
At the end of 2011, I had a fall and my partner complained about my weight.
I started 2012 at 74kg and finished it much lighter losing a bit more weight over the next couple of years.

I've stopped bothering now. I'd guess my weight is around 65kg, which is still significantly less than 2008.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 September, 2018, 06:51:01 pm
When I was in the doctor's surgery a week or two ago I noticed a notice (!) about a weight loss clinic. I made an appointment with a nurse last week and I have been put in touch with an organisation called "ACE Lifestyle", who run the weight management programme. The council are paying for me to see a personal health trainer and also for 12 weeks' membership of "Slimming World". I have booked an appointment to see the trainer on Wednesday next week for an hour, and he will give me a voucher to spend on 12 weeks' membership of SW. I have discovered that there is a group that meets each Thursday evening at the school I taught at between 1981 and 1986, so I can indulge in a little nostalgia as well.

I have no idea where councils get the budgets to finance this sort of stuff. It can't be cheap. SW is a little over £4 a week for old buggers, so that is £50 straight away, and the 1:1 sessions must be very much more expensive. I don't know how many of them I will be entitled to but the woman I spoke to today said that people very often do both for quite some time. The trainer sessions will be approximately monthly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 24 September, 2018, 06:58:45 pm
I have no idea where councils get the budgets to finance this sort of stuff. It can't be cheap. SW is a little over £4 a week for old buggers, so that is £50 straight away, and the 1:1 sessions must be very much more expensive. I don't know how many of them I will be entitled to but the woman I spoke to today said that people very often do both for quite some time. The trainer sessions will be approximately monthly.

The idea is that £x00 spent now could save the NHS £x000+ in the future.

Plus they wouldn't be paying list price for everything as a reduced bulk contract would have been negotiated.

Actual funding for it just means the Government accruing a bit more debt, and then not accruing as much debt n+ years in the future.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 September, 2018, 09:28:34 pm
I have no idea where councils get the budgets to finance this sort of stuff. It can't be cheap. SW is a little over £4 a week for old buggers, so that is £50 straight away, and the 1:1 sessions must be very much more expensive. I don't know how many of them I will be entitled to but the woman I spoke to today said that people very often do both for quite some time. The trainer sessions will be approximately monthly.

The idea is that £x00 spent now could save the NHS £x000+ in the future.

Plus they wouldn't be paying list price for everything as a reduced bulk contract would have been negotiated.

Actual funding for it just means the Government accruing a bit more debt, and then not accruing as much debt n+ years in the future.

Well, yes, that makes sense in normal circumstances, but we know this government doesn't think like that - see education cuts passim. In these times of austerity, everything that can't be nailed down is cut to the bone. I have a suspicion that it's money for tory councils and the rest can bugger off. However, we are straying dangerously close to POBI here so I'll stop at this point.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 25 September, 2018, 10:17:56 am
Really need to get started with my weight loss.

Same here. Can't carry on as I have been doing, I feel really unfit and unhealthy...

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Still up at 96kg after injury setbacks and days off gone due to parenting during the summer holidays. I'll be back on the bike from September and running again late September.

Still aiming for under 80kg by April 2019.

253 days until London Marathon which is 36 weeks, so 18kg at 0.5kg/week but hoping to push that to 0.6kg/week if I can to get down to under 75kg.

I weighed myself this morning at 81kg, which isn't as bad as I thought - was expecting it to be >85kg. However, biggest problem is not my weight but my waistline - having been down to 75cm a few years ago, it's now heading towards three figures. This is not good. Mostly booze-related, I expect.

It's good to have a fixed target. Mine is PBP. Target is to get to "race weight" (~70kg) by the end of August - ie lose 11kg over the next 11 months. Should be achievable but will take a lot more self-discipline than I have been capable of over the last couple of years.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 October, 2018, 08:34:27 am
A year of doing hardly anything, not monitoring anything, drinking a little bit, working too hard. Gained 7kg. Jeans still say 30", but proper trousers say 32". Need to sort it out.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 October, 2018, 11:26:37 am
A year of doing hardly anything, not monitoring anything, drinking a little bit, working too hard. Gained 7kg. Jeans still say 30", but proper trousers say 32". Need to sort it out.

You've done it before, far more successfully than most.

On Wednesday someone asked me if I'd stopped training due to the weight gain. Bah.

I'd like to point out that we won 14 rowing races in our crew this year.  >:(

Do need to shift a bit of flab, though. I was injured for 4 months, starting about 12 months ago, and missed the whole autumn and some of the winter training season. Touch-wood, I'll be good this time, and can shift a bit of the flab.

34" jeans are very loose on me, but doubt I could do 32" now.

Real measurement is 36".  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 October, 2018, 11:36:09 am
There's a few of us with a busy winter training/fat loss schedule ahead  ::-).

I did a 2x5x30s HIIT session on the turbo this morning and was depressed to see I was doing 80W less on the efforts than I was in February. Sigh...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 October, 2018, 12:11:44 pm
I prefer the comment I had just now "rowing has changed your body shape".

I suspect it has, but sadly there is still extra flab.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 October, 2018, 12:32:34 pm
A year of doing nothing.
Have not weighed myself for months.
Have not measured myself for months.
Still in Size 12 trousers.
Hip bones and ribs are still WAY above my tummy when I lie on a flat surface.
Posterior hips are very well-padded.

Suspect my weight is pretty steady.
Don't think I have much visceral fat, which is 'healthy'.
Allegedly.

Apathetic, of Edgware.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedal Castro on 11 October, 2018, 08:09:32 am
A measurement at hospital recently gave me 21.5% body fat. Not as bad as I expected, even better it enables me to work out how much I need to lose to get to 10%. So here starts another diet, I have found the only diet that works for me is counting calories in and out, otherwise I snack terribly. So far 11 days in and an average 1000 kcal/day deficit has resulted in 1.5kg loss, as usual bang on target. Just need to keep this up for anothet4 months to get to racing wright...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 October, 2018, 02:17:18 pm
Tonight will be my second weigh-in since joining Slimming World last week. I think I have been sticking to the guidelines since Monday - but I had a weekend's celebrating my brother's 50th wedding anniversary last weekend so that has probably put the kybosh on any weight loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 October, 2018, 10:29:56 pm
7lb 8oz registered as my weight loss for the week.

Last week, without thinking about it, I got onto the scales in my shoes and fleece. Today, I took them off. That, I guess, accounts for about 50% of the weight I lost. Still, a good week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 October, 2018, 11:05:23 pm
Excellent, Wowbagger!

This rate is obviously not sustainable and it's possible you might even record a gain next week.

Make friends with a tape measure or belt to sustain your morale...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 October, 2018, 12:24:39 am
Indeed it's not, but the incredible thing about this regime is the vast range of foods of which one is permitted to consume unlimited amounts. So if I feel hungry, I just go and raid the fridge or the fruit bowl. Lean meat is allowed in unlimited quantities. I think our Waitrose ham bill is likely to be rising...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DuncanM on 12 October, 2018, 10:48:38 am
I'm avoiding chocolate and eating carrots instead. I'm also trying to consciously avoid eating through boredom. Other than that, I've not made much of a change - I'm hoping that will be enough to allow me to drop a few kg and still build my ftp.
I've lost about a kilo in a month, but my scales are strange in that they read to the tenth of a kg, but they don't seem to actually measure that - I've never seen a move of 0.1kg. The fat and water measurements also seem to vary wildly while the weight remains the same - consecutive days can see the same weight, but 18% fat to 22.5% fat (same time of day and stuff). Both of these things are irritating me!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 November, 2018, 11:49:32 am
Wobbled onto the scales for the first time since May, last night, twice, cos I'm very wobbly.
Had the same reading both times.

I seem to be 2kg lighter, with a BMI of 22.3.

I weigh the same as I weighed for most of 2016, within experimental error.

Which I reckon is OK.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 November, 2018, 10:29:51 pm
According to the Official Records, I have lost 15lb in 4 weeks at Slimming World. On Thursday, I was voted in as Mr. Sleek 2018. I find this very baffling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 November, 2018, 11:29:07 pm
It's all relative, innit?

You are certainly more sleek than before but we'd all agree you still have some way to go yet.

Well done so far!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 November, 2018, 12:03:51 am
I seem to be very fortunate that, in the first instance, my weight does seem to disappear from my belly. A couple of years ago I bought two otherwise similar shirts form Go Outdoors. One was XXXL, the other XXL (they only had one of the larger size). I have seldom worn the smaller shirt because it was too tight around my belly. Now my belly is no problem, but it is too tight around my shoulders/manly chest.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 November, 2018, 12:25:17 am
I usually lose wight from my belly first. I think that is normal.

Belly fat is more harmful than fat elsewhere so if you have less, your risks of obesity-related illness is reduced.

My fat is behind me....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 07 November, 2018, 06:19:27 am
If anyone has lost weight and is curious what happened to it, I've found it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 07 November, 2018, 09:15:46 am
If anyone has lost weight and is curious what happened to it, I've found it.

me too
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 07 November, 2018, 04:53:59 pm
If anyone has lost weight and is curious what happened to it, I've found it.

would you like some more?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: adenough on 07 November, 2018, 05:11:53 pm
I don't understand all this calorie counting stuff. At 6'2" and 14.5 stone I am supposed to need 2000cals a day just to sit on the couch for 8 hours and walk  upstairs now and again. I consume about 1800cals a day. I run a regular 4 mile route, ride 100 miles over a week and often do a 70 on a Sunday. Work out hard with heavy weights at the gym. swim a bit. I never lose weight. My belly is my most loyal friend. No matter what I do it is still there every day. It will not leave my side.
My wife says "Women don't care if a bloke has a belly, It's the whole package that counts."  Hmmmm...  Can't work out if she is just being kind. Plus where can I get one of these packages? :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 November, 2018, 05:30:10 pm
Try the same total Calorie intake but cut the sugar, carbs and booze.

See what happens...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 November, 2018, 05:34:35 pm
I don't understand all this calorie counting stuff. At 6'2" and 14.5 stone I am supposed to need 2000cals a day just to sit on the couch for 8 hours and walk  upstairs now and again. I consume about 1800cals a day. I run a regular 4 mile route, ride 100 miles over a week and often do a 70 on a Sunday. Work out hard with heavy weights at the gym. swim a bit. I never lose weight. My belly is my most loyal friend. No matter what I do it is still there every day. It will not leave my side.
My wife says "Women don't care if a bloke has a belly, It's the whole package that counts."  Hmmmm...  Can't work out if she is just being kind. Plus where can I get one of these packages? :)

If your belly won't leave your side I reckon it might be something else.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: adenough on 07 November, 2018, 05:38:26 pm
Try the same total Calorie intake but cut the sugar, carbs and booze.

See what happens...
I drink less than a bottle of red wine over a week. Don't have sugary drinks or take sugar in beverages, never have. I do like the odd piece of cake and eat about three slices of bread a day. There must be hidden sugars somewhere.  Well hidden. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: adenough on 07 November, 2018, 05:52:46 pm
I don't understand all this calorie counting stuff. At 6'2" and 14.5 stone I am supposed to need 2000cals a day just to sit on the couch for 8 hours and walk  upstairs now and again. I consume about 1800cals a day. I run a regular 4 mile route, ride 100 miles over a week and often do a 70 on a Sunday. Work out hard with heavy weights at the gym. swim a bit. I never lose weight. My belly is my most loyal friend. No matter what I do it is still there every day. It will not leave my side.
My wife says "Women don't care if a bloke has a belly, It's the whole package that counts."  Hmmmm...  Can't work out if she is just being kind. Plus where can I get one of these packages? :)

If your belly won't leave your side I reckon it might be something else.
Well it won't leave either side. Likes to spread itself about. Those damned love handles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 November, 2018, 06:47:51 pm
IMHO three slices of bread is two too many.

Alcohol can only be converted to fat.

My suggestions may seem draconian but I think you should try this for a month, possibly January.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 November, 2018, 09:53:53 am
Since joining Slimming World 5 weeks ago I have now lost 18lb. I think the vast bulk of it is down to all but removing bread from my diet.

I make almost all of our bread in a machine. The loaf I make the most often is a "rustic French" which includes only 400 grammes of flour but rises enough to make it look like an 800 gramme loaf. Each slice therefore contains less bread and more bubbles.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 November, 2018, 10:38:17 am
Since joining Slimming World 5 weeks ago I have now lost 18lb. I think the vast bulk of it is down to all but removing bread from my diet.

I make almost all of our bread in a machine. The loaf I make the most often is a "rustic French" which includes only 400 grammes of flour but rises enough to make it look like an 800 gramme loaf. Each slice therefore contains less bread and more bubbles.

I've heard of good results from cutting out sugary foods and foods containing wheat. That's pretty much what I do now, among a few other things.
For carbohydrates I stick to porridge (or oatcakes because I can carry those in my pocket) brown rice, potatoes with skins or rye bread (though I often go for Ryvita)
It's surprising how much food does contain wheat but there is still a lot that doesn't. I do eat wheat sometimes. Mainly from pork pies when I'm riding because the mini pork pies are very easy to eat while riding and practical

If you have a bread machine with the dough hook for making rye bread, maybe give that a try as a substitute for wheat? You don't get quite as nice a loaf from rye. Shop bought rye bread often contains wheat but there's always pumpernickel.
I also wonder if you're weight is dropping because you are sleeping better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 November, 2018, 12:55:34 pm
I am AMAZED at WB's weight loss!

TG makes a valid point about sleep.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 09 November, 2018, 01:29:05 pm
Since we started to follow the Whole30 diet*, we both have slept much better. I think it is linked to the weight loss** and not having all that bad food.

The days were we fall off the wagon, other than also feeling crap - stomach upset, lack of energy, somewhat like coming down with a bug - we both don't sleep well at all.

Going out to enjoy a meal is rather limited on choice now. Peli suffer more than me, but she used to react to a glass of coke and other sugary things before we followed the whole30. Indian and Fish'n'Chips we have found that we both can enjoy without suffering after.

Thai and Chinese is totally off the menu, went out and had a lovely meal on our anniversary at a local Cantonese. Half way tru' Peli started to feel it, I started to feel it when walking home. We both just flopped on the sofa that evening and the next day both of us were totally drained. I felt like I was about to have a backlash to the three years I was sick (CFS/ME, if it was?!?!).

Going for some pub grub, again the menu is utterly narrowed down, if it is a sweet meal, got wheat in it, desserts totally off etc. So often Peli is down to Fish'n'Chips, which do become a bit boring to a have every time we go out.

Pizza, pasta and so I can go on is off, we used to go out and enjoy food like that, but since we have cut sugar so much and other stuff, we can't. Lucky Peli is a wicked cook so we are not starving.

* Strict at first to find out what is not playing ball with us, but now a little laxed
** I have woken up fewer times with a bad lower back. And when I gained some weight this spring the lower back and hip pain came back.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 November, 2018, 03:40:18 pm
** I have woken up fewer times with a bad lower back. And when I gained some weight this spring the lower back and hip pain came back.

Anterior Pelvic Tilt?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 November, 2018, 03:41:51 pm
I am AMAZED at WB's weight loss!

TG makes a valid point about sleep.

Bear in mind my first comment on this about Shoes. (my first weigh-in was in shoes & fleece, subsequent ones not. I think it's more like 14lb in 5 weeks. That first week, I was accredited with a 7.5lb loss!) But SW have recorded 18lb. This was outdone by Hazel, another member, who yesterday received her 2 stones lost certificate after only 6 weeks' membership. Without wishing to be too personal, she's quite a large lacy with two... significant attributes. But she was dead chuffed yesterday because she said that her clothes were now too big. I had to tighten my belt yesterday in order to stop my trousers slipping southwards.

I don't think the CPAP machine has helped significantly. I've been on it, and getting good results, since mid-July. My weight loss has entirely been since I joined SW in early October.

The "rustic French" loaf I mentioned above has some rye in it, but not a great deal. 12.5% IIRC (50 grams out of 400). The rest is 275g strong white, 75g wholemeal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 09 November, 2018, 04:16:45 pm
** I have woken up fewer times with a bad lower back. And when I gained some weight this spring the lower back and hip pain came back.

Anterior Pelvic Tilt?

No I solved that by sitting on a yoga ball and stretching my hip flexors. I had that pain/issue for years and only after 1.5 years of pilates someone told me what the hip flexors did and then since doing stretches that pain is gone.

The hip pain I get now when gaining weight, is often felt by pregnant woman, because their unborn weight is pulling them around while laying on the sides. Was told by our pilates instructor. So a beer belly can do that too and that is where weight lands first on me when gaining. And I sleep 100% on my sides, cause on my back I'll snore and wake myself up and on my belly my neck hurts and I get the pain in my arms/hands.

To solve that pain it so drop the fat or sleep with a pillow between my knees.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 November, 2018, 04:39:13 pm
The hip pain I get now when gaining weight, is often felt by pregnant woman, because their unborn weight is pulling them around while laying on the sides. Was told by our pilates instructor. So a beer belly can do that too and that is where weight lands first on me when gaining. And I sleep 100% on my sides, cause on my back I'll snore and wake myself up and on my belly my neck hurts and I get the pain in my arms/hands.

To solve that pain it so drop the fat or sleep with a pillow between my knees.

I seem to be doing well with mouth taping. I simply put some bandage tape over my mouth before bed so that I breathe through my nose, which reduces or eliminates my sleep apnoea. It's enough to make breathing through the nose the path of least resistance but not so bad that it will stop you breathing if your nose gets blocked and you have to breathe through your mouth.
I also use nose vents and other devices to keep my nose clear. I got myself a device that records my blood oxygen, heart rate and movement when I sleep and gives me an oxygen score from the results. It also vibrates if my oxygen drops to a level that I can set it at. The idea is that it prompts you to breathe before your oxygen drops too low. You can switch the vibrate on or off. I haven't had it long so I'm seeing what gives me the best results.
My tongue stabiliser did seem to work. The trouble is that I often woke up and it was no longer in my mouth and it's not that nice to have in your mouth in the first place. Mouth taping seems to be more effective and reliable, at least for me.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Von Broad on 10 November, 2018, 03:58:03 pm
The hip pain I get now when gaining weight, is often felt by pregnant woman, because their unborn weight is pulling them around while laying on the sides. Was told by our pilates instructor. So a beer belly can do that too and that is where weight lands first on me when gaining. And I sleep 100% on my sides, cause on my back I'll snore and wake myself up and on my belly my neck hurts and I get the pain in my arms/hands.

To solve that pain it so drop the fat or sleep with a pillow between my knees.

I seem to be doing well with mouth taping. I simply put some bandage tape over my mouth before bed so that I breathe through my nose, which reduces or eliminates my sleep apnoea. It's enough to make breathing through the nose the path of least resistance but not so bad that it will stop you breathing if your nose gets blocked and you have to breathe through your mouth.
I also use nose vents and other devices to keep my nose clear. I got myself a device that records my blood oxygen, heart rate and movement when I sleep and gives me an oxygen score from the results. It also vibrates if my oxygen drops to a level that I can set it at. The idea is that it prompts you to breathe before your oxygen drops too low. You can switch the vibrate on or off. I haven't had it long so I'm seeing what gives me the best results.
My tongue stabiliser did seem to work. The trouble is that I often woke up and it was no longer in my mouth and it's not that nice to have in your mouth in the first place. Mouth taping seems to be more effective and reliable, at least for me.

Not wishing to divert the thread away from weight, but I spent a while listening to podcasts by Patrick McKeown on You Tube [loads there to listen too], author of The Oxygen Advantage (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oxygen-Advantage-scientifically-breathing-revolutionise/dp/0349406693/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7GZK2J6J14PMNPDPKFQY) - his expression of a breathing technique initially developed by a Russian Scientist, Buteyko.

My schooling in basic biology was woefully inadequate, but I found it really fascinating to try and get to grips with what is going on when we breath - especially the significance of carbon dioxide in the releasing of oxygen from the hemoglobin into the cells, and how deep breathing can be detrimental to this process.

Patrick talks quite a bit about sleep disorders in the various podcasts I've listened to - most of the podcasts are interviews.

Here's one...he talks about sleep apnea about halfway through, worth listening to the whole thing though [matey interviewer has to go a bit of product plugging halfway, but it's not long].

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owMDBJtoZ9U
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 November, 2018, 09:34:28 pm
Another week, and another 5lb lost.

Actually, that took a fair bit of doing. On Sunday Jan and I spent the day rehearsing for and then singing in a concert, so we were out of the house for more than 7 hours. Dez was put in charge of food, which turned out to be garlic bread and pizza. Not what I am supposed to have. Then on Monday we had haggis. Dez let us know late in the day that he wasn't going to be with us for dinner so someone had to eat his...

Tues, Wed and today I have tried very hard. In fact, today I went on a 12ish mile walk (the fitbit says 13) with Her Welshness, so I suspect I was probably a bit dehydrated this evening. I was Slimmer of the Week*.

So that has earned my me 1½ stones certificate, and a fridge magnet.  :)

Onwards and downwards...

*It's very unfortunate that in a group consisting largely of ladies of a certain stature, as it were, that the organiser has the initial "SOW" on a basket where the SoW's prize resides (food).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 November, 2018, 09:43:02 pm
Well done WoW!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 November, 2018, 10:13:29 pm
Well done WoW!

Thanks! Katie commented on my observable reduction in beer gut.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 22 November, 2018, 05:03:01 pm
I think it's more about fat loss for me just now. I had an 8-site caliper check today; 15% body fat.

Weight is static but someone at the rowing club commented at the weekend that my shoulders look bigger. They are bigger, but given static weight I've lost weight elsewhere, and it seems to be fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 November, 2018, 05:04:44 pm
I think it's more about fat loss for me just now. I had an 8-site caliper check today; 15% body fat.

Weight is static but someone at the rowing club commented at the weekend that my shoulders look bigger. They are bigger, but given static weight I've lost weight elsewhere, and it seems to be fat.

A mean, lean, rowing machine...
Well done Simon!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 27 November, 2018, 09:13:59 am
Have been in a plateau, where despite running a 500+ calorie deficit, I was stuck at ~76kg. All of a sudden, I've dropped to 73kg. My gf had been claiming I'd lost some flub and was looking more toned, but it's nice to see the weight actually coming off.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 November, 2018, 10:04:47 pm
After a small blip last week in which I gained 1lb, this week has seen the loss of a further 4lb. Slimmer of the month! And - a target of 2.5lb for next week for my 2 stone award!

If I can get down below 16 stones I might take up audax... ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on 05 December, 2018, 12:58:44 pm
72.x now, despite a week of rest following a hip flexor strain. Cut down on booze - think I had 2 pints (Bradfield Belgian Blue) in total last week. Huel & protein powder for breakfast, protein powder and porridge for lunch, anything I like for dinner, and apple & skyr for dessert. Only apples for snacks. Back in my skinny jeans.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 05 December, 2018, 02:59:36 pm
Huel AND protein for breakfast? Doesn't the former contain he latter anyway? You'd only need, what, 60gm of protein in total per day?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 05 December, 2018, 03:07:25 pm
Huel AND protein for breakfast? Doesn't the former contain he latter anyway? You'd only need, what, 60gm of protein in total per day?

For athletes I expect 60g/day is too little.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 05 December, 2018, 06:29:54 pm
Well I suppose for weekends away on the trot, preceded by a long weekend with friends staying here, was going to have an effect.
And now we're in the run up to the season of over-eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on 05 December, 2018, 07:31:39 pm
And now we're in the run up to the season of over-eating.

I'm cranking up the fasting from 5:2 to 4:3 for the next 3 weeks in preparation.  That way I should come out of the seasonal binge "evens".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 December, 2018, 09:03:48 pm
I am getting no heavier.

I don't know if I am leaner.

Mince pies are upon us...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 December, 2018, 09:27:23 pm
My last two SW weigh-ins have had me tantalisingly close to my 2 stone award. I have been just 8oz short two weeks on the trot!

Definitely getting more difficult now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 December, 2018, 09:44:48 pm
It is unlikely you will continue to lose weight over the whole Festive Season unless the Grinch takes up residence. Two stones' loss is BRILLIANT and keeping static right now is a realistic goal, though indulgences can cause MASSIVE fluctuations from day to day.

Keep up the good work!

I might not use the scales from 24/12 to 09/01.

There again I might...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 17 December, 2018, 09:01:55 am
havent been updating my numbers here regularly.  With a 6 week enforced period of very much reduced activity, I've not put more than a kilo or so on, weighing in now at about 66.5kg having been headed towards 65. 

I've been walking 4-5km/day or swimming now up to about 900m, and have seemed to match my intake to the reduced expenditure reasonably well.  I'm still using the smallest hole on my "diabetes belt", the one bought when I was a pre-diagnosis skeleton.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 18 December, 2018, 08:49:32 am
My weight has crept up nearly 3kg in the last month. I'm now 82kg. I've been keeping it constant all year at 79kg and completed RRtY and have really ramped up Wattbike training and weight training in the last 4 weeks. The gain coincides with the increase in training but I fear that it's not (at) all muscle.

I'm feeling pretty miserable about that. I have been eating and drinking a bit too much and need to bring it in. I'd love to get my weight to at least back to where it's been all year as I have PBP ambitions for next year.

Joining in this thread for motivation!




Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 December, 2018, 01:00:29 pm
I will restate something I've posted many times in this thread, to save you looking through pages.

A gain of 3kg in a month is unlikely to be all fat. LOTS of water follows refeeding on 'naughty' things after relative deprivation.

Your fat gain is unlikely to exceed much more than a kilogram and you'll lose a couple of kg water quite quickly once you start being sensible and 'good'. I'm not sure that advising too much restriction a week before Christmas Day is 'in the spirit' so:

1) Don't lose heart.
2) Enjoy your Festive Season.
3) NEVER eat anything you don't like or don't fancy.
4) Don't get overstuffed; it's unpleasant, unhealthy and a waste of Calories.

I am going to allow myself three days when I eat anything I fancy, without getting overstuffed. Then I'll go back to eating only at meal times and smallish portions.

Happy Christmas!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 December, 2018, 04:42:44 pm
Well done Gus!
Amazing!!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 18 December, 2018, 05:28:42 pm
Well done Gus!
Amazing!!!!
+1 amazing results.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 December, 2018, 05:40:37 pm
The graphs have stopped auto-updating - I'll have to manually update.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 December, 2018, 05:50:58 pm
The graphs have stopped auto-updating - I'll have to manually update.

That's a pain!

I'd be really grateful if you did,

Thanks in anticipation!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 December, 2018, 07:40:38 pm
Graphs are updated.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 18 December, 2018, 07:50:33 pm
where's your moustache gone?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 18 December, 2018, 08:06:31 pm
I will restate something I've posted many times in this thread, to save you looking through pages.

A gain of 3kg in a month is unlikely to be all fat. LOTS of water follows refeeding on 'naughty' things after relative deprivation.

Your fat gain is unlikely to exceed much more than a kilogram and you'll lose a couple of kg water quite quickly once you start being sensible and 'good'. I'm not sure that advising too much restriction a week before Christmas Day is 'in the spirit' so:

1) Don't lose heart.
2) Enjoy your Festive Season.
3) NEVER eat anything you don't like or don't fancy.
4) Don't get overstuffed; it's unpleasant, unhealthy and a waste of Calories.

I am going to allow myself three days when I eat anything I fancy, without getting overstuffed. Then I'll go back to eating only at meal times and smallish portions.

Happy Christmas!

Thank you - great to hear this advice. Sorry that I haven't scrolled back through. 

I'll have a couple of good days this week and then enjoy Christmas without eating everything in sight. Then get back to being good once the revelry has died down.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 December, 2018, 08:43:19 pm
To scroll through 275 pages of posts over the last 10 years would be [insert choice of adjective].

There's no need to apologise!

The important things about weight control are continued motivation and maintenance of good eating habits.

You've done extremely well and need to enjoy festivities without losing motivation.

Major weight loss is very much a long-term project which needs persistent effort.

It is vital you don't convert a short-term wobble into a long-term reversal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 December, 2018, 09:11:46 pm
Graphs are updated.

Umm... some of mine seem 'stuck' in the past.

ETA Apologies. I see updated graphs when I click through to the big ones on your site but the old ones persist on the yacf page.

I am in awe of Gus!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 19 December, 2018, 06:00:16 am
Well done Gus!
Amazing!!!!

Thank You Hellymedic.
I must admit I was put against the wall by my doctor. I had reached a level in my life and health that meant i had metabolic syndrome
and had to change my life completely.
No alcohol and no fizzy drinks since May. living on a calorie restricted diet, approx 1200Kcal/day and getting into physical activity again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 19 December, 2018, 08:00:15 am
10 days back into diet.  Over the summer with less cycling, stress over job plans, etc had piled on a stone and I was very aware that I now looked like a fat middle aged man with that ring of fat below the rib cage.

10 days ago started the Michael Mosely 800calorie diet as i suspected I was heading / had a fatty liver.  So far really good.  Lost a few lbs already and feeling better.  Aim is to be sensible at Christmas and then a holiday before really pushing through for 8 weeks as per the book.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 19 December, 2018, 10:42:56 am
Great discipline Gus

Good luck with it Chris, looks like you're hitting it early.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JonJo on 19 December, 2018, 10:47:53 am
Cut out the booze, red meat and dairy this year in an effort to reduce my cholesterol levels and blood pressure without resorting to drugs. A welcome side effect has been shedding 19kg.

Short days and Christmas parties mean less cycling and a temptation to drink too much so thought I'd call in here for a bit of inspiration.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 19 December, 2018, 10:48:24 am
Well, as I doubt I'll remember to weigh in in 26th, my years's effort finishes today. Not an unqualified success, as I was aiming for 76kg, with a starting point of 101kg. All went really well until mid-August, when I went back to work, having been unemployed, and therefore cycling a lot, for the whole year to that date. Low point was 83.5kg in  August, but despite being back in a sedentary job I've managed not to gain too much, finishing at 85.8kg. Helped I suspect by getting back to the gym 3 times a week, albeit with no real aerobic activity, mostly weights and core.

Hopefully I'll be sensible over the break, and better still get my turbo set up in the shed to supplement the gym work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 19 December, 2018, 10:56:37 am
The important things about weight control are continued motivation and maintenance of good eating habits.

You've done extremely well and need to enjoy festivities without losing motivation.


OK. I'm saying this as making it public will help with motivation. My diet is pretty good most of the time. I eat avocado, one or two slices of soughdough a day, brown rice, sweet potato, fish - eg mackerel or salmon, yoghurt, berries, a banana, peanut butter/rice cake etc. I'm like one of those motivation fitness blogs without the picture of a person doing yoga in the background.

I don't eat crisps, chocolate, calorific puddings, chips, soda - all the usual things that people cut out when they start a diet. I don't mind these foods but they are not part of my diet, I don't crave them and rarely if ever, have them.

My big pitfalls are beers, coffee and portion control after I've been exercising. I've trained for marathons and gained weight! I get into the habit of having two or three beers a night for a week and then stop for a week and then start again. No rhyme or reason, I just like beer. This is a habit I need to get out of after Christmas. When I go out (not very often) and have a binge I find it really hard to shift the subsequent weight gain.

I've got polycystic ovaries which makes it even more of a pain to lose weight.

I cycle everywhere, gym three or four times a week (bench press, squats, deadlift), wattbike sessions a couple of times a week. I'm really challenging myself now and trying to hit targets.

My body might be annoying but I'm going to drink more water (rather than coffee) and battle through the knawing hunger and try to sort it out in January!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 19 December, 2018, 11:17:25 am
Thanks for the encouragement.  :thumbsup:  I'd exercise more, but my wife does occasionally like my company of an evening  :), and that mitigates against longer or more frequent gym/training sessions. I really need to get a grip of portion control though. My wife has always eaten little (she's a recovered anorexic, though it's been a long time since then, and a large portion on her plate will kill her appetite on the spot) and she maintains a stable weight whilst being reasonable active. Her portions are probably 1/3 the size of mine. I probably need to reduce mine by 1/3 in reality.

I've managed to reduce significantly my intake of crisps and chocolate etc. - thanks largely to a reduction in stress at work. And alcohol as well in recent weeks - and for the next week by force majeure, as the antibiotics I've been prescribed for a dental abscess have an "antabuse-like" effect if you drink, and for 48 hours after finishing the course. That takes me to Christmas lunch!  :-\ Hey ho, it's still better than an abscess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 December, 2018, 10:18:02 pm
1.5lb down this week, making my total loss 2st 1lb after 11 weeks. I got my 2 stone award, and also my "Club 10", which means I have lost 10% of my starting body weight.

The next weigh-in is on 27th. How much will I have put on after our curry on Saturday with pal Jon et al; Christmas Day with its surfeit of turkey and stuff(ing); Boxing Day at my brother's place... ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 20 December, 2018, 11:01:54 pm
Losing weight for a week is easy - 11 weeks, not so much - so Top Work there, Wow  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 December, 2018, 11:19:13 pm
1.5lb down this week, making my total loss 2st 1lb after 11 weeks. I got my 2 stone award, and also my "Club 10", which means I have lost 10% of my starting body weight.

The next weigh-in is on 27th. How much will I have put on after our curry on Saturday with pal Jon et al; Christmas Day with its surfeit of turkey and stuff(ing); Boxing Day at my brother's place... ?

I don't care!

You'll have lost it all, with interest, after January 10, so long as you resume your eating plan as soon as you're home.

Some folk don't weigh themselves when they feast. Some do.

Think of it as an academic exercise.

Well done for losing 10% of your weight!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 December, 2018, 11:25:26 pm
Graphs are updated.

Umm... some of mine seem 'stuck' in the past.

ETA Apologies. I see updated graphs when I click through to the big ones on your site but the old ones persist on the yacf page.

I am in awe of Gus!

Ah I was going to investigate but there's no need - thanks for the update.

The project to make the x-axis scale show months rather than week numbers remains stalled.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 December, 2018, 11:34:21 pm
Graphs are updated.

Umm... some of mine seem 'stuck' in the past.

ETA Apologies. I see updated graphs when I click through to the big ones on your site but the old ones persist on the yacf page.

I am in awe of Gus!

Ah I was going to investigate but there's no need - thanks for the update.

The project to make the x-axis scale show months rather than week numbers remains stalled.

Techno-glitches HAPPEN!

We're still very grateful for all the work you put into this!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 December, 2018, 08:24:53 am
The interesting thing is that I can lose 2 stone and I haven't made any changes to my wardrobe. My shirts are baggier and I don't need to do my trousers up quite so far underneath my paunch and I have sometimes had to tighten my belt during the day to stop them from falling down. I reckon that if I can make it to <17 stones, that is when the differences will come. If everything goes according to plan, that will be around the end of February.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 24 December, 2018, 06:57:49 am
Had to make an early check on my scale, since I'm of to Sweden for a couple of days.
But I've reached my target for 2018- I think it's the first time I've stayed on the narrow path and reached the goal.

Merry X-mas to all and enjoy some great meals and remember it's better to eat a little extra between Christmas and New year, than the opposite ;) ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 24 December, 2018, 09:15:21 am
Congratulations Gus.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 December, 2018, 02:06:07 pm
Well done Gus!
Have a lovely trip to Sweden!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 24 December, 2018, 07:13:04 pm
Well done Gus.

I'm going to kick my rubbish eating habits into touch this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 December, 2018, 01:37:32 pm
I've crept up a smidge over the last fortnight but doubt this gain will persist.
We will see...

Anyway, I'm wishing everyone success in the battle of the bulge for 2019!

Hoping those who have lost spectacular amounts in 2018 maintain their success!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 December, 2018, 07:27:45 pm
According to tonight's weigh-in I have increased by 3.5lb on last week. This puzzles me, firstly because I have mostly continued to be very abstemious and secondly, I weighed myself on our home scales before I went. They have kept pace with the Slimming World scales pretty faithfully in the whole 12 weeks that I have been trying to lose weight. I was expecting to break even, or perhaps to go up by 1lb.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 December, 2018, 07:34:38 pm
Fret not, as I say every festive season.

Even if you've not eaten much more carb, it attracts up to four times its weight in water. If you've been relatively carb-depleted, even SMALL amounts of festive fare will act as a sponge.

Can't explain the discrepancy between weighing machines though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 31 December, 2018, 12:26:29 pm
End of year report:

Same weight as 12 months ago, within the noise margin anyway.

Maybe slightly lower body fat => small increase in muscle mass.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 December, 2018, 12:34:58 pm
End of year report 2018:
2-3kg less than at the start.
Same as several previous years.
Still 12kg less than the 74kg of January 2012.
BMI OK.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on 02 January, 2019, 12:38:23 pm
End of the year report.

For the first time in many years, I ended the year a few grams lighter than when I started. Given that the previous years I've put weight on over the year, this is good news.

Now for 2019, time to lose some.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 January, 2019, 02:12:41 pm
1 jan 2017 79.4kg
1 jan 2018 82.5kg
1 jan 2019 82.5kg

I put much of the slide in 2017 down to wrist injury and bronchitis. I still have fat to shift but the slide has stopped at least.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2019, 11:38:28 pm
Today at Slimming World I registered a 4.5lb loss on last week. That's a 1lb loss over the fortnight including Christmas and the new year. This morning I was 113kg, the lightest I have been for years. I would imagine that there are ancient weight loss threads which have me around the 110kg mark, but I don't know how long ago that would have been.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 January, 2019, 11:46:27 pm
Today at Slimming World I registered a 4.5lb loss on last week. That's a 1lb loss over the fortnight including Christmas and the new year. This morning I was 113kg, the lightest I have been for years. I would imagine that there are ancient weight loss threads which have me around the 110kg mark, but I don't know how long ago that would have been.

2012 https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=55300.msg1128953#msg1128953 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=55300.msg1128953#msg1128953)

If you didn't enter your 2018 weights here before you could still do this to get a morale-boosting graph...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 04 January, 2019, 06:52:05 am
Weighed myself this morning at 65.7kg, the lowest I've seen for some time. 

Not quite sure what the cause is, but I'm thinking possible loss of muscle mass I've the last ten weeks. General activity has been lower for the legs, but replaced some of it with swimming and tried to manage my intake to match activity. Also trying to be more mindful around the booze.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 04 January, 2019, 09:58:16 am
I'm joining in. I've done my weight report. I've got some big ambitions this year which include an SR, PBP and beatings my 5 and 10km run times.

The weight needs to go so I can enjoy this stuff as much as possible.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2019, 02:12:48 pm
Hopefully will add 2019 to graphs over the weekend.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 04 January, 2019, 02:23:43 pm
I'm a lower weight than last year, but up on where I was in July this year, so starting again. 

I've managed to keep to my diet this week.


As an aside, has anyone tried LoDough Pizza bases?  If so, what are they like?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 January, 2019, 02:49:19 pm
Hopefully will add 2019 to graphs over the weekend.

Thanks!

I really appreciate your continued work!

I'm currently troughing in Christchurch and don't expect sensible weights and eating quite yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 08 January, 2019, 05:37:54 pm
Off the booze and aiming for a more aggressive 1kg/week (I was averaging 40 units of alcohol a week so that's close to 3500kcal on its own) to get down to 80kg for the end of April.

Also starting 16 week marathon training programme so it'll be impossible to tell how much of the (hopeful) weight loss is due to exercise or abstinence but I'm not worried about that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 08 January, 2019, 05:54:20 pm
Off the booze and aiming for a more aggressive 1kg/week (I was averaging 40 units of alcohol a week so that's close to 3500kcal on its own) to get down to 80kg for the end of April.

Also starting 16 week marathon training programme so it'll be impossible to tell how much of the (hopeful) weight loss is due to exercise or abstinence but I'm not worried about that.

Pretty much the same planned trajectory as me. This is an example that's always stuck in my mind: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28102.msg510847#msg510847  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 January, 2019, 07:32:53 pm
Took me at least 7 attempts to get steady enough on scales for a reading in the small hours today, which I will not repeat tomorrow..

There's no real change in my weight, which is fine after a week's troughing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 08 January, 2019, 08:56:26 pm
This is an example that's always stuck in my mind: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28102.msg510847#msg510847  :o

This is the only quote from MV in this thread that hints as to how he did it:-

I'm doing OK also.  9 kg off since NY, and I have a weight in stone that begins in 12 and not 14 now.

I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)

I even managed to keep my weight down on last week's work trip to the US, despite the enforced inactivity and the lack of control over diet etc.  Not drinking alcohol (which I can tell you was a major temptation last week) is really helping me.  Not just the calories in the booze, but the way it messes up both my metabolism and my will power...

I'm still (just slightly) overweight according to my BMI, but I think that's more of an indication of the crudeness of BMI.

I was happy with my effort in 2007:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/2007weights.png)

but that was a lot of riding (50 point season including LEL) and pre-fatherhood (so 120km a week cycle commuting instead of the current 24km).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 09 January, 2019, 08:18:31 am
struggling with activity at the moment after my accident at the end of october.

Managed 45km on the bike on Saturday, some walking on Sunday, nothing Monday, and had to force myself onto the turbo trainer yesterday, truncating the session to 50mins.  Spent the rest of the evening lying on my back on my yoga mat in the living room due to lower back pain. I can't see myself doing much more than some walking this lunchtime.   

No prospect of audax this weekend, and I think even the aim of 50-75km a week might be pushing it (last year I was averaging over 100km/week until the accident, and that included travel-enforced zero weeks)

Physio should be here again next week. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 January, 2019, 09:25:31 pm
Precisely 18 stones this evening at the Slimming World group. That's 3lb down on last week, 2st 5lb all told.

I shall aim for 2b this coming week, to try to get my 2.5 stone award.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: whosatthewheel on 12 January, 2019, 07:01:40 pm
I've never been fat, but used to struggle to keep a "racing snake weight" which for me means anywhere between 69 and 71Kg... occasionally I used to balloon to 77 kg and had to resort to dieting, as well as my menu of 200+ km a week on the bike.

Then just over a year ago I cut meat and since then I have been steady at 71 kg, including over the Christmas period (twice). I don't think it's meat per se, but all the crap that goes with it... a pork pie, burger with chips, sausages with loads of brown sauce.

I eat more carbs that I probably should, albeit with loads of fibre, but carbs don't seem to inflate me in the same way as a protein (and crap) rich diet used to.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 13 January, 2019, 03:08:33 pm
It's incredible how one individual's body responds to one thing and another person responds in a completely different way.

I have to cut back on training and exercise to control my hunger. I simply can't cut calories and exercise at the same intensity. My plan is to just focus on losing weight for eight weeks. I'm going to be doing less exercise than normal but will still keep up with weight training, wattbike sessions and running but all at a reduced intensity so I'm not ravenous all of the time.

That's the plan anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 January, 2019, 04:06:04 pm
I am much lighter now (<62kg) than when I had an 11,000 mile per year cycling habit (72-76kg).

I'm sure I've lost muscle from my enforced inactivity but I could not lose weight when I rode a lot. I could ignore hunger but could not ignore legs that only propelled my bike a snail's pace.

Keto wasn't a thing when I was cycling but attempting to ride on fewer carbs or empty always resulted in dreadful progress.

If I attempted to lose weight in the 'off season', it would take a while to regain strength, which usually accompanied weight gain.

Good luck Double Dips!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 13 January, 2019, 05:09:07 pm
I am much lighter now (<62kg) than when I had an 11,000 mile per year cycling habit (72-76kg).

I'm sure I've lost muscle from my enforced inactivity but I could not lose weight when I rode a lot. I could ignore hunger but could not ignore legs that only propelled my bike a snail's pace.

Keto wasn't a thing when I was cycling but attempting to ride on fewer carbs or empty always resulted in dreadful progress.

If I attempted to lose weight in the 'off season', it would take a while to regain strength, which usually accompanied weight gain.

Good luck Double Dips!

Oh F**k.

I lost 7lb last year in April through a quick but violent illness and kept it off until December. Once I recovered after the illness, my riding improved and I made it up hills quicker than when I was heavier.  It made for an enjoyable second half of the year.

I'm still eating carbs (oats and sweet potato and some normal potato). Just not bread.

I've also got polycystic ovaries to add to the mix, which messes with hormones. I'm hoping the strength training will help to maintain power and muscle mass to some extent. I'm considering buying some new scales to monitor fat % but I don't think it will help with motivation. I'm already trying pretty hard!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2019, 06:52:52 pm
My unofficial weight this morning was 111.5kg, down half a kg. That is so marginal as to be "noise". Any loss at tomorrow's offical weigh-in will be a bonus. I will be most surprised if I managed the 2lb needed for my 2.5 stone award.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 January, 2019, 09:51:27 pm
My unofficial weight this morning was 111.5kg, down half a kg. That is so marginal as to be "noise". Any loss at tomorrow's offical weigh-in will be a bonus. I will be most surprised if I managed the 2lb needed for my 2.5 stone award.

Well, I was most agreeably surprised and I did lose the 2lb necessary!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 January, 2019, 10:55:49 pm
Well done WB!

I've not weighed myself this week...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 23 January, 2019, 07:04:34 am
I have a strong start in January, after a December that resulted in only a minor weightloss.
Sticking to 5.000-7000 kj (1.200-1.600kcal) and 5-6 meals a day works for me.

All the greasy high energy very tasteful food :P :P from december are not in the shops now
and therefor not in my cupboard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 January, 2019, 09:23:40 am
Up 1.5kg on last week. Saturday and Sunday were largely responsible for that - curry with beers on Saturday, Sunday lunch cooked by my son-in-law. Apart from those two indiscretions, I have been pretty much sticking to my plan of no beer, definitely no cake, and minimal amounts of bread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 23 January, 2019, 10:02:08 am
All the greasy high energy very tasteful food :P :P from december are not in the shops now
and therefor not in my cupboard.

HAH!  That's because I bought it all!    Unfortunately, I Nommed most of it last week  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 23 January, 2019, 10:14:01 am
All the greasy high energy very tasteful food :P :P from december are not in the shops now
and therefor not in my cupboard.

HAH!  That's because I bought it all!    Unfortunately, I Nommed most of it last week  :facepalm:

 ;D ;D
You might need a couple of mugs Tea and some Milk of magnesia, Your stomach will thank you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: whosatthewheel on 23 January, 2019, 10:23:14 am
Wintry weather means I can't cycle regularly, so I need to cut calories intake.

I am trying an easier version of a 5+2... basically on the two 'fasting days" I try to stay within 1000 Kcal... I don't think I can do 600 and quite likely I don't need to
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 23 January, 2019, 11:25:24 am
I have a strong start in January, after a December that resulted in only a minor weightloss.
Sticking to 5.000-7000 kj (1.200-1.600kcal) and 5-6 meals a day works for me.

All the greasy high energy very tasteful food :P :P from december are not in the shops now
and therefor not in my cupboard.

5-6 meals a day would have me hungry and thinking about food ALL THE TIME.

One meal (almost always cheese with either salad or pickles) and a full fat snack of nuts, meat or (even more) dairy.
That and giving up cycling to work, is working very well.

It's incredible how one individual's body responds to one thing and another person responds in a completely different way.

I have to cut back on training and exercise to control my hunger. I simply can't cut calories and exercise at the same intensity. My plan is to just focus on losing weight for eight weeks. I'm going to be doing less exercise than normal but will still keep up with weight training, wattbike sessions and running but all at a reduced intensity so I'm not ravenous all of the time.

That's the plan anyway.

Indeed. It's zone 2 efforts that make me hungry. Well, hungrier than the calories I've used, anyway. I don't want to sound proselytising but particularly with PCOS I would recommend trying a low carb diet. If you can put up with a life of restricted diet and don't emotionally eat, it can work wonders.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 January, 2019, 01:26:25 pm
Too wobbly to step on the scales.
Have not yet finished cakes, biscuits and chocolates from Christmas.
Not hungry or eating between meals.
I don't think I'll get fatter like this even ifI don't get thinner.
Have three major eating events within next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 23 January, 2019, 03:00:38 pm


I don't want to sound proselytising but particularly with PCOS I would recommend trying a low carb diet. If you can put up with a life of restricted diet and don't emotionally eat, it can work wonders.



You don't. I am cutting back on carbs but not cutting them entirely. I once saw a nutritionist who recommended no carbs at night unless I've done a run or some form of exercise in the evening.

My two weeks of dieting have gone so so. Lost 3lb first week. I had a cold in the second week so no exercise at all and I went out on Saturday and ate Dim Sum and drank four beers. As a result, my weight has stayed the same. I've been very good otherwise; just one night.

Hoping more weight will come off if I have a week with no meals out and regular gym/wattbike sessions. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 13 February, 2019, 01:39:12 pm
BMI under 30 for the first time in a few years. Now to get it down to under 25.

Skiing next week may help, depends on how greedy I am.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 13 February, 2019, 01:42:50 pm
I'm lighter than I was through the whole of 2018. (Some of this week's weight loss is in about 30cm of hair but as I'm concerned about mass, not volume, I'm fine with that)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 February, 2019, 03:02:58 pm
The mass of 30cm of hair is trivial.

I won some Park Patches from biggsy over this matter...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 13 February, 2019, 04:28:50 pm
I have lost 10lbs since 9 November despite Christmas and 10 days holiday so really pleased.  Another stone to go to target.  On a fasting day today and finished work early.  No distraction = large temptation.  I know that if I succumb then I will fall big time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 13 February, 2019, 04:47:50 pm
I had dinner and wine out last night so going to weigh myself tomorrow. Irrespective things seem to have stalled a bit despite having an overall calorie deficit last week of about 2500. I would at the very least expect to not go up and I've been feeling tired and my mood has suffered. Eating more carbs this week to bring my energy levels up.

In five weeks I think I've lost 3lb but it has fluctuated quite a bit so hard to tell.





Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 23 February, 2019, 08:18:56 am
I have fallen into the pit of emotional eating this week - the last 5 days in the job have been trying to offload 3 years of market /product /supplier knowledge into notes for my assistant.
Monday I start at the new place, and there's nothing stressful about that, is there? :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 February, 2019, 04:23:30 pm
My unofficial weight this morning was 111.5kg, down half a kg. That is so marginal as to be "noise". Any loss at tomorrow's offical weigh-in will be a bonus. I will be most surprised if I managed the 2lb needed for my 2.5 stone award.

Well, I was most agreeably surprised and I did lose the 2lb necessary!

Sine then, my 4 visits have yielded + 3.5lb, -3.5lb, +3.5lb, -3.5lb. So I have gained the 2½ stone award 3 times...  :facepalm:

The two weeks of increase have coincided firstly with the Yorkshire weekend and then with Phyllis's 100th birthday. I will miss next week's weigh-in because we are off to Spain for a week, but then my next weight-in on 8th March will no doubt show another increase. I suppose I should console myself in the knowledge that, over the past 5 weeks or so, my diet had allowed me to have two rather profligate weekends with no overall weight gain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 23 February, 2019, 07:24:55 pm
5 weeks in Hong Kong eating everything I can't get in the UK, so my weight is 83 kg. Last year I read the Obesity Code, and am now firmly  behind the idea of the 2 compartment model of fat etc. Time to lose some weight
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bludger on 23 February, 2019, 07:56:57 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Rw2RmH5.png)

Quite pleased with myself in the last year :D

Unfortunately this necessitates a change of jersey sizes! I've put an ad up in the classifieds asking for size L men's jerseys if you've any going spare

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=111178.0
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2019, 07:19:15 pm
Down 4.5lb on last week's Slimming World weigh-in. Now 17st 11.5lb.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 16 March, 2019, 05:32:25 am
I started Keto on 2 January.

Now 12kg down, without feeling hungry at all. I do 16:8 fasting during the week (I.e. no breakfast, eat between 14:00 and 21:00) because it is easy.

Just introducing a few cakes into the week now, but will be careful not to overdo it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 April, 2019, 08:41:13 pm
Another 2lb off this week at the SW weigh-in. Now 17st 6lb according to their scales. That's a loss of 2st 13lb since October.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 April, 2019, 08:54:24 pm
Lovely to see this, Wow!

For myself, I've dropped out, really. I have no motivation and find weighing myself difficult. I suppose I really only need to ensure I don't gain much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 April, 2019, 11:49:04 pm
Lovely to see this, Wow!

For myself, I've dropped out, really. I have no motivation and find weighing myself difficult. I suppose I really only need to ensure I don't gain much.

Thank you! I have to say that I haven't been following the SW diet. I've simply cut out at least 95% of the beer and bread I used to eat, and don't eat cake or sweet things, with the exception of muscovado sugar on my morning porridge. I allow myself a lot of fruit, so I do tend to graze a lot in the evening.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 April, 2019, 12:23:55 am
We don't do beer and probably have less than one slice of bread per day.

We like chocolate but have around 15g/day as well as similar quantities of biscuit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 April, 2019, 12:34:00 pm
Phyllis always has a cupboard full of sweets and biscuits - she's still got a few left from her 100th birthday - and she often offers me something when I'm in there. Occasionally I succumb but half a dozen chocolate mints a week aren't going to make a lot of difference.

The one difference I have noticed is that when Dez & Alex buy all kinds of totally unsuitable foods (a large pecan flavoured cream-filled meringue roulade for example) I haven't been tempted. Normally such things have "called to me" fro the fridge or freezer. Ice cream has had similar properties. I'm hoping that I have broken that habit.

I broke the 17 stone barrier on our bathroom scales this morning. I set myself an interim target of 16 stones by the end of June, 13 stones by the end of the year. Suddenly the first fo those seems within reach. It's an incredibly motivating feeling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 April, 2019, 01:33:42 pm
Amazing!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 13 April, 2019, 03:29:27 pm
Wow, you are doing amazingly, that’s a hell of a loss.

I put on somewhere around 3 stone when pregnant (couldn’t really exercise much, it was a tricky pregnancy) but didn’t weigh myself often. I gave birth on 25th feb but no pressure and no weighing till 1st April. At that point I had 25lbs to lose to get back to my lowest weight in 2015. (I was probably at least 7lbs over that when I got pregnant)

Going ok so far and I’m pretty motivated, having no clothes I can fit in tends to do that ;) I’ve so far lost 3.8lbs over that 2 weeks, I’d like to keep up at least a lb a week.

Got back on the bike 3 days ago and been out each day, 16, 18, then 21 miles- it feels very hard work after so long off and so heavy!! Hopefully it will help with the weight loss though. I’m not allowed to run for a few more weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 April, 2019, 04:58:31 pm
Lady C, it's good to read you gave yourself a few weeks without weighing since you had your baby.

Pregnancy and surgery take some time to heal and I think restricting food during recovery can impair healing and reduce muscle strength.

I'd still suggest you take things fairly easy. You seem to be building distances up quite well, which is great. I'd just suggest really good quality food for now really, and not getting too wound up about your weight. Once little H gets mobile, you'll be strong enough to withstand an energy deficit while chasing a little monster! I've known women get pretty thin chasing toddlers!

You'll be fine!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ElyDave on 13 April, 2019, 05:53:29 pm
Bizarrely, for about the last twelve weeks, every weekly weigh in has been exactly 68.8 kg by my scales, always weighed first thing in the morning, naked, after having a pee.

Very strange.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 April, 2019, 09:24:19 pm
1½lb lost this week. That's my 3 stone award: 3st ½lb lost since October.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 24 April, 2019, 07:59:35 pm
Four pounds up this week  :o
(It was a very good long weekend)
I'm not going to hit my target by the end of the month, am I?
However, considering that I'm not yet back to my usual exercise regime following my op earlier in the year, and the weekend was very silly from a food point of view, I'm not going to panic.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bobby on 28 April, 2019, 09:21:52 am
Went gluten free at the start of feb for health reasons.  As well as not being ill, I have a nice Weight loss side effect which has taken me from 74kg to 68kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 April, 2019, 10:04:47 am
Our week in Scotland has resulted in me smuggling surplus lard south of the border. Hopefully most of it will have gone by my weigh-in on Friday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 May, 2019, 03:57:17 pm
I have just been standing on our bathroom scales. I'm hoping to register another loss when I go to SW tomorrow.

The point of this post is that I noticed an interesting phenomenon. If I stand stock still on the scales, the needle does not stay perfectly still: it wiggles slightly in time with the beating of my heart.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 May, 2019, 04:36:49 pm
I'm surprised you've only just noticed this!
Doesn't happen with digital scales, obv!

Stepped onto scales a few nights ago, clad & shod - 65.8kg.

I certainly stand more steadily in my shoes!

Weight is more than I'd like but not too huge.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: campagman on 16 May, 2019, 07:12:39 pm
I've just finished a 9 day liver detox. No Alcohol, Cafeine, dairy (although natural yoghurt was allowed), sugar and min processed foods. I can't remember the last time I was this light. It wasn't too difficult either. I have reintroduced my morning coffee and will enjoy the occasional Pint of beer again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DuncanM on 17 May, 2019, 09:24:08 am
I spent a month or so eating healthily (cut out loads of junk, salad for lunch instead of sandwiches, no beer) and my weight basically stayed constant.
For the last couple of weeks I've been eating all manner of junk in work (there seem to have been loads of cakes and stuff). My weight has gone up by about half a kilo. That doesn't seem fair!  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 17 May, 2019, 09:37:00 am
That just demonstrates how little food you need to sustain your body, as opposed to satisfying your cravings. I see this every day when I have dinner with my wife - she's half my weight but eats 1/3 of what I do. I'm trying to cut down portion sizes, but it ain't easy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 May, 2019, 08:58:13 pm
I have no idea how you cure being a compulsive eater. I have lost a lot of weight over the past 7 months or so by

1. Cutting out 95% of the alcohol (mostly beer) that I used to drink.

2. Cutting out 95% of the cake I used to eat

3. Cutting out about 80% of the bread I used to eat.

My daily intake is now typically:

Porridge with muscovado sugar and a glass of fresh orange juice for breakfast.

Some type of protein (frequently ham) with tomatoes and spinach/cress/rocket mix for lunch, followed by two or three pieces of fruit.

Quite a substantial meal for dinner, meat (usually) and 3 or 4 types of veg, again followed by several pieces of fruit. However, we are having far more in the way of veggie meals than we used to. Tonight, for example, we had a variety of non-meat "burgers" amongst 4 of us.

During the evening I quite often eat fruit. I have several cups of tea, a couple of cups of coffee, and a few cups of water during the day. But I still eat at times when I shouldn't. Careful shopping means that it's no longer ice cream, which I have always found to be a problem.

I suspect a point will come when I will stop losing weight with this approach and will need a rethink, but as long as it's working I'll keep going. So far I have lost 3st 2lb since early October, two-thirds of that during the first 3 months. I am now a little under 17 stones (106kg at the last YACF weigh-in) and hope to be somewhere around 13 stones by the end of this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 May, 2019, 09:59:24 pm
I'm eating a similar diet to Wow but maybe with less fruit and my weight is steady.
I am smaller and lighter, as well as being female.

I'm not eating between meals and try to leave a gap of at least four hours between meals.

If I really wanted to lose weight, I'd drop to two meals on some days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 20 May, 2019, 01:36:58 pm
I’ve been eating Keto (low carb high fat) since Jan 2 and have lost 18kg. I eat only two meals a day, I don’t need breakfast as I’m not hungry. As I’m not hungry I don’t snack either. So just the two meals, lunch is salad with loads of goodies such as cheese, prawns, olives etc. evening meal is meat and loads of veg - tonight we will have a steak pie with cauliflower mash (pie crush with almond flour). Dessert will be fresh strawberries from the farm down the road and loads of cream. We love the food we eat.

I’ve tried Keto previously and fallen away. This time we aren’t bothering with trying to make Keto cakes; when out cycling we eat a real cake, because we burn the sugar off on the ride. It’s working well and I hope I can keep it up. I want to lose another 10kg so I weigh the same as my chap. Potentially I could go to 20kg down, but I think that might be a bit tough.

My partner is now at the stage where he is eating more carbs as he is on maintenance, not weight loss. He also has a weak spot for Gummibärchen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 May, 2019, 02:41:28 pm
Err...Have many of the graph traces vanished? Not that I'm weighing myself much...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2019, 02:54:08 pm
Err...Have many of the graph traces vanished? Not that I'm weighing myself much...

My bad.

I'll look at it this week. It's been a busy several months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 May, 2019, 02:57:42 pm
Err...Have many of the graph traces vanished? Not that I'm weighing myself much...

My bad.

I'll look at it this week. It's been a busy several months.

I appreciate your efforts and that you have other fish to fry.

Thanks anyway!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 22 May, 2019, 07:42:37 am
Bit of a weird question, but if you have lost a lot of weight from some parts of your body, how long before your skin catches up? That is, how long before it 'shrinks to fit'?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 22 May, 2019, 12:46:30 pm
Never.

Well, depends a bit, but usually it can only shrink back slightly.

I, among with millions of other people, can attest to this after weight loss. Thus tummy tuck surgery. But I would need a most-of-body tuck!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 May, 2019, 01:35:23 pm
Young people have more elastic skin so modest losses might not lead to much loose flesh.

Big losses in anyone and moderate losses in those past youth will lead to loose flesh.

Stretch marks are partly hormone mediated. There is little justice here. My Mum bore the six of us with no stretch marks but started very young.

I went on The Pill for a few months as a Hungry Student and got loads on my hips.

I don't think places with stretch marks ever spring back.

'Bingo wings' are a feature on erstwhile fat ladies.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 23 May, 2019, 09:34:31 am
Well that kind of sucks.

I have lost over 10kg now. Put on muscle on arms, back, and chest.
Lost muscle mass from buttocks and fat from waist and buttocks. So now I have 'old man saggy bum', instead of nicely rounded cyclists well-developed glutes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2019, 06:01:08 pm
Well that kind of sucks.

I have lost over 10kg now. Put on muscle on arms, back, and chest.
Lost muscle mass from buttocks and fat from waist and buttocks. So now I have 'old man saggy bum', instead of nicely rounded cyclists well-developed glutes.

Note to self: stick to rowing.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 28 May, 2019, 10:05:23 am
I have very many new stretch marks 😂 they don’t look like springing back either so I’m in that club

Running and riding slowly improving, done a couple of 10k races now

Managed to lose 8.6lbs since 1st April, still 16 to go to ‘race weight’ although I would probably settle for about another 10.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 28 May, 2019, 10:10:51 am
No stretch marks here; I gradually built up a big bum and thighs from years of cycling, building up muscle and fat stores. Now all withered away.
Chest has changed from 34" to 40". Trouser waist from 34" to 30".
It is a big body shape change.
Title: Re: Weight Reports for 2019
Post by: S2L on 02 June, 2019, 02:33:39 pm
I think you are all doing it wrong... the time of the fat has come...

(https://e3.365dm.com/19/06/640x380/skysports-andy-ruiz-jr-anthony-joshua_4684380.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: The Movers on 02 June, 2019, 04:31:36 pm
Non-numerical post repositioned here.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 June, 2019, 11:50:24 pm
I seem to have gone down to 105kg as of this morning. I set an interim target weight of 102kg by 30th June. That is not beyond the realms of possibility. I'm quite gobsmacked.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 06 June, 2019, 11:41:29 am
A couple of weeks off the wagon due to being busy, travelling, and so on. No surprises then that my weight has crept up a couple of kg. Nearly back to where I was in January.

Need to get some self-discipline and go back to 5:2 - only diet that seems to work for me. Targeting Monday as my first fasting day, will laying in fresh vegetables and lean meat / fish for the occasion.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 06 June, 2019, 12:08:47 pm
I’m up to 11lbs lost now. Most of that is from eating sensible adult sized portions rather than cycling twice a day portions 😂
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 June, 2019, 01:39:12 pm
Well done LadyC!

Hope you are WELL!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 June, 2019, 12:22:57 pm
There was a distinct increase (5lb) in my mass after my holiday.  I am hoping to lose at least half of that by my next weigh-in on Friday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 19 June, 2019, 06:22:02 am
 :) :) Seems to be back on the right path again.
After a month where my weight haven't really moved
I managed to drop little more than a kilo the latest week.
So now I've dropped more than 70 kilos, or  11 Stones,
 since late May 2018, but I still have a smidgen more than 3 Stones
To loose, before I'm satisfied and I for a BMI below 30.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 19 June, 2019, 08:29:48 am
Man that is good going there Gus, you will have lost me in weight when you hit your target :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 June, 2019, 12:53:08 pm
Well done Gus!

I've not weighed myself for months but know I'm getting fatter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fd3 on 27 June, 2019, 12:10:23 pm
Sorry, not read the previous ~300 pages of posts.
Has anyone mentioned - a) the China study, which suggests that you can increase you quantity of food intake and calorie intake AND lose mass, as long as you avoid animal based calories; b) you can lose weight eating junk food (a la "supersize me") or gain it eating healthily, because muscle is heavier than fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 28 June, 2019, 09:55:48 am
a) is pretty obvious really. Calorific value is derived from burning the food, including all the indigestible parts, so calories on food vs calories taken up by the body will vary.

b) is why bodybuilders are obese if BMI is used.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 29 June, 2019, 11:00:29 am
I must love dieting, there's no other plausible explanation for putting so much effort into gaining weight after twice in the last five years getting down to the ideal. 118>92>115>94>116kg
A bit shocked into it, I don't have any clothes that fit, had a warning from the doctor and my first longer ride of the year was a struggle.
So, back on the weight loss thread, back to calorie counting - I don't even find it hard, other than missing bread, cheese and beer, it's just tedious.  This is it, started my last ever diet...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 29 June, 2019, 11:35:03 am
I think this the problem. Missing the bread cheese and beer.

Having also restarted we are doing much more fasting so that we can eat the nice things in between. This does seem more sustainable in the long term.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 June, 2019, 01:25:22 pm
Most days there is no bread. There's no cheese. There is no beer. There is no cake.

Lean meat, loads of salad, vegetables, fish. It takes a huge plate full of rocket to fill me up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 10 July, 2019, 05:56:42 am
That was -20kg this year, still got some way to go.
But living in a restricted diet on approx. 1800 kcal.
A Day and exercising every day works for me.
I'm not in any special diet like keto or sense.
But it's still hard work and making choises every day
What not to eat & drink.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 July, 2019, 11:18:34 pm
My SW weigh-in this morning showed a loss over the week of 1.5lb. That brings me down to 17st 0.5lb. If I can lose 2.5lb this coming week that will be my 3.5st award.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: emmasanchez3 on 13 July, 2019, 01:11:02 pm
is it okay to do Intermittent Fasting while cycling?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 13 July, 2019, 02:46:19 pm
is it okay to do Intermittent Fasting while cycling?
I think we all fast between cafes, elevensies, pubs and the curry when you get home from a ride and I haven't seen any off us suffer from fasting :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 13 July, 2019, 03:09:27 pm
is it okay to do Intermittent Fasting while cycling?
My experience is that it's fine on 600 calorie "fasting" days once you've settled into it, that's for leisure cycling it might be a bit different if you do high intensity stuff or if you're completely fasting.   YMMV of course, try it and see, just have a plan B.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: lou boutin on 13 July, 2019, 06:43:28 pm
I am back on now.  This week I have lost 2.2kgs
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 July, 2019, 08:23:38 am
I decided yesterday to leave Slimming World for the time being. I have lost over 3 stones in weight and may well go back. But they have a policy that you pay whether you turn up or not, allowing for 6 weeks off in a 12 month period. Since I have already used 5 of my 6, and I will not be going for pretty well the whole of August and quite probably some of September as well, there's no point in shelling out almost £5 a week for nothing, especially since I will be on holiday for most of that time and won't be concentrating wholly on losing weight.

My method has been a lot simpler that SW's in any case. I have cut down massively on alcohol and cake, and also cut out a great deal of bread. I haven't cured my compulsive eating habit in the evening but I do make sure that it's fruit that I eat instead of marmalade sandwiches. I can carry on with that without them. And of course if I find, come October, which was when I joined last year, that my weight has crept up a bit, I can always rejoin!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 07 August, 2019, 05:38:50 pm
I had a pleasant surprise this week. Having not really weighed myself since I broke my ankle1, I was most surprised to see that I've lost about half a stone in the month. That's without any cycling or running and not really cutting back on other things2.  :D

1: the scales being downstairs and the faff of going down, taking the boot off, weighing, putting the boot back on, and then going back upstairs to get dressed being a bit much.
2: the 'full-fat' cottage cheese which is the only 'treat' I'd been allowing myself recently, before the ankle, was obviously more of an issue than I realised. I shall have to avoid.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: BrianI on 09 August, 2019, 07:52:32 pm
Lost 4kg since the 8th of July.  Probably due to surgery to fix twisted bowel, and not eating anything for the best part of 6 days...  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 August, 2019, 09:02:53 pm
Much of that weight will be muscle and fluid; don't expect much fitness until you've regained 2.5-3kg.
Sorry!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 August, 2019, 12:32:14 am
So far, since leaving Slimming World, I haven't put on any weight. If anything, I think there has been a slight loss, but my week of recovery from the Dunwich Dynamo was pretty calorific. It's all pretty slow now. I have set myself a target of losing 5kg between now and the end of the year. I am still mostly avoiding beer and cake. Allowing myself some bread, but not every day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 August, 2019, 10:12:58 am
And 105kg again. I first got down to that weight at the end of May. Every week since when I have weighed myself, bar 1, I have been 105kg. That 1 was 106kg.

I thought that I might just dip below that figure today but my pal Jon invited me for beer last night. I think it will come.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 16 August, 2019, 10:37:23 am
I'm back on WW, having been doing SW on and off for a few years. WW seem to be a bit more flexible and manageable and the app is much , much better (there really is no excuse these days for the uselessness of the SW app). Things had gone a bit catastrophic after stopping SW the last time. Anyway, I've lost over 10kg so far, so it's going ok. This month they have a bingo card, which is actually giving me an incentive to try some things that I wouldn't otherwise do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ham on 21 August, 2019, 10:05:17 am
Have you ever wondered what difference muscle makes to your weight? Well, I think I have at least part of the answer.

I'm just arrived back (yet again, OK, but better than never) into the Losing Weight State of Mind. That means, I have  Made The Step Onto The Scales. Knowing what my current waistline is, I was expecting 107+Kg, whaddyaknow? I only crank up to 102. So I should be happy, yes? Except that I know that the difference is that I have lost almost every vestige of fitness. It therefore follows that decent (or perhaps I should say semi-decent) muscle tone is responsible for about 5% of your body weight. You can therefore legitimately adjust the BMI readings accordingly.

Yours,

Ham. By name and by nature. Addressing the weighty matters in life.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 29 August, 2019, 09:22:28 am
One of the results of my extensive health check was the doctor telling me I needed to not lose any more weight. So, had extensive discussion on how to track my calorie intake vs requirements.
I assume I have a pretty good knowledge of nutrition.
They advised me to try an app/web application called Cronometer.

You can input exercise, foods (including creating common meals and scanning barcodes). It calculates the calories you are burning vs your intake, shows the nutritional breakdown of the foods you are consuming.

The results, even after just one day, are enlightening. On a 'training day', I was ending up nearly 900 calories in deficit, despite snacking, eating a 3 course meal out and what I thought were reasonable meals. My protein intake was only 60%  and carbs 80% of requirement!

No wonder I haven't had sustainable power for 1-2hr events, and I keep losing weight.

I can see how the app (it will work from a browser or android app) would be useful for someone wanting to keep to a weight loss diet as well. Showing the figures and charts to my partner (who would like to lose weight) made her re-evaluate how she views my eating vs hers.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 29 August, 2019, 12:29:07 pm
I used Cronometer at the beginning of the year when starting Keto properly and I found it a very good app.

I paid for it but actually the free version would have been fine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 September, 2019, 01:09:18 pm
Umm.... Are the graphs borked?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 September, 2019, 01:52:45 pm
Umm.... Are the graphs borked?

Seem to be - not just not updated but missing.

Did I forget to put 50p in the meter?

Edit: No, paid in April. I'll have to look into it later if they don't come back.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 September, 2019, 02:27:50 pm
Umm.... Are the graphs borked?

Seem to be - not just not updated but missing.

Did I forget to put 50p in the meter?

Edit: No, paid in April. I'll have to look into it later if they don't come back.

Thanks!

I looked late last night and thought I'd look again during daylight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 18 September, 2019, 10:14:57 pm
And they're back!

Thanks Simon!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 18 September, 2019, 10:17:23 pm
And they're back!

Thanks Simon!

I didn't do anything. I expect they're still out of date as I've been needing to do some maintenance for a while. Won't look at it tonight as am currently trying to catch up on some work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 September, 2019, 12:02:22 am
Suspect it was a computer/server glitch beyond your control.
I've not weighed myself for months but am probably stable at an acceptable weight.

Gus' progress is amazing!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 September, 2019, 02:22:20 pm
I've gained a couple of kg lately. No doubt some of it is losing the drive to lose weight throughout the week, driven by the SW weigh-in on a Friday morning. Some is down to the time I've spend visiting people over the past 6 weeks or so (sis-in-law Clare put too much bread and cake within my reach!).

I'm still avoiding cake, and not buying beer at the supermarket, and having no bread/1 slice with lunch.

I eat a great deal of fruit. So on the "normal" days, things are under control. But the "not normal" days seems to have increased in number and are currently the source of my extra bulk.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 25 September, 2019, 09:21:04 pm


Gus' progress is amazing!

Thank you, I've been able to keep my Focus on what I put in my mouth, and have great help and support from my girlfriend.

Now it's been 15 months since I had a beer.
I've had 4 units of alcohol since June 2018.

Trying to lift weights 3 times/week and cardio 3 times /week too.

I still Hope to achieve my goal, but there are still some kilos, not many, but every kilo i drop Counts  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 September, 2019, 09:37:40 am
I think I detect a small decline in my mass. It is very slow going though. And this weekend we are off visiting relatives again...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 26 September, 2019, 01:47:02 pm
Gus has now lost more mass than I've ever had!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 September, 2019, 01:50:59 pm
Yes - that's very impressive, isn't it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 October, 2019, 10:30:40 pm
108 kg today.

A few days ago, after a lot of curry and beer, I was 110kg.  Am hoping to get back to 105kg by the end of the month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 20 November, 2019, 06:25:47 am
Back on track, and under my goal for 2019 again.
I had a nasty cold and an allergic reaction last week.
It meant my body bloated and kept a lot of water, and I gained
a lot of weight.
So weekly  fluctuations due to sickness and hormons can be massive  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 November, 2019, 01:30:20 pm
I have lost the plot rather and I've gained quite a bit of weight. The past month has seen me eating too much and of the wrong things. This started when I was steering a narrowboat and needed (or felt that I needed) calories for purposes of keeping me warm. Getting back on track has proved problematic...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 03 December, 2019, 10:48:19 am
So I've been off the wagon for a while, since August. Various issues, including a family bereavement, meant that I just couldn't keep up with dieting these past few months. As a result my weight just kept on increasing.

This week I'm trying out a slightly different approach to past attempts. I've been refraining from eating anything after a certain time in the evening, then just drinking water for at least 12 hours. This coincides with sleep later on of course, which makes things easier. Part of the supposed benefit is that I'm not busy digesting food while trying to sleep.

If I can keep this up, then I'll start to extend the non-eating hours to 14. This may be tricky to fit around work, but we'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 03 December, 2019, 06:48:33 pm
Similarly back on track today after a complicated autumn and 2 weeks in Brazil eating too much.

5 pounds up but looking to lose a stone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 09 December, 2019, 08:22:56 pm
Right, have been given the green light for getting back into running after 4 and a bit months off with a buggered ankle, so the project starts once again (again).

Currently 96kg and 0.5kg/week gives me 76kg early September but I'll hopefully push somewhere closer to 0.75kg/week and get there sooner (mid June).

Combination of swimming, cycling and running should get me there. Plus cutting down on portion sizes and beer and avoiding snacking. I may even start some fasting again as that really helped last time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 12 December, 2019, 02:31:23 pm
Just looked at IG and found Gus https://www.instagram.com/p/B5-aiXWBo05/

Total awesomesause there G !! Fantastic work !!

\o/
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 December, 2019, 06:21:38 pm
Gus has halved his May 2018 weight! 89kg in 19 months.

I can only sit in awe!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 22 December, 2019, 05:08:32 am
WTG Gus!

I also didn't realize just how much fat actually accumulate on your head. I'm now down 1/2 a hat size and both my snow and bmx helmets now fit far more comfortable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 25 December, 2019, 09:10:15 pm
Thanks to fboab for setting up next year's tracker.
I'm hoping for a better year next year, with fewer medical issues keeping me off the bike.
MrsC is also in a more determined mood about losing weight which always helps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 25 December, 2019, 09:25:00 pm
I might not weigh myself next year - balance issues and sloth...

God luck everyone!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 December, 2019, 10:28:48 pm
Bloody hell I have ballooned in the past 2 months. I lost all my self-discipline after getting off that narrowboat at the end of October and have put on at least two-thirds of the weight I lost in a very short time. I've put on about 12 kg in less than 10 weeks I reckon. Frightening.

I will have an embargo on booze, cake & bread again in the new year. To be fair, I think very little of this gain is down to cake, and not all that much to booze. It must be the extra bread.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 27 December, 2019, 11:11:00 am
I thought my struggles to get up the hills last time I went out my bike was due to the bug that wouldn't go away, but then I stepped on the scales.  For the first time in 55 years I have to be a little bit more serious about losing weight if I want to do the Crackpot.  Its only a matter of shrinking from 90kg to 82kg but as I've never put on enough weight to lose before will require some discipline.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 27 December, 2019, 11:54:05 am
Will join again.
Goals will be maintaining weight, and from summer, try to drop to
80 kg  before running Loch Ness marathon oct.4.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 27 December, 2019, 12:40:43 pm
Will join again.
Goals will be maintaining weight, and from summer, try to drop to
80 kg  before running Loch Ness marathon oct.4.

You AMAZE me!

Maintaining a steady weight in December, when you've halved your mass is no small feat!

Continue to amaze!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 29 December, 2019, 12:46:33 pm
Gus, I spy one asterisk too many in both your starting and hopefully your target weight, in the 'Weight reports' thread  ;) ;D

Hope you won't need that asterisk this year!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on 29 December, 2019, 02:37:56 pm
Gus, I spy one asterisk too many in both your starting and hopefully your target weight, in the 'Weight reports' thread  ;) ;D

Hope you won't need that asterisk this year!
Thank You for pointing it out Hellymedic.
I'm so use to three digits, I didn't notice.
I've fixed it with a strategic placed dot.  ;)
And have put up a second target for the year 2020
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cygnet on 01 January, 2020, 10:10:06 am
After a good 8 months from the start of 2019, its all gone back one and some more.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 January, 2020, 11:08:17 am
After a good 8 months from the start of 2019, its all gone back one and some more.

I am much heavier than I was a year ago today, but still less than I was in October 2018 when I started my weight loss drive.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 02 January, 2020, 06:05:06 am
I am really pleased that at the end of 2019 I had maintained my weight loss with Keto. Started 2019 at 110kg, reached 90kg in July and then relaxed a lot with the Keto and stayed at that weight. We had two weeks of normal eating over Christmas including lots of chocolates and this morning I was 92.6 which is not bad - I guess it’s mostly water and should go over the next two weeks.

Plan for 2020 is to get down to 80kg but I have not yet decided whether I will track foods again. I only did it Jan to March last year to learn what is best with Keto, but then over the summer I relaxed a bit. Strict Keto is weight loss, relaxed seems to be weight maintenance.

We are both very happy to be back to Keto eating now as it tastes nicer and the body feels much better for it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 02 January, 2020, 07:05:54 am
I finished 2019 as I started it, full of good intentions but with the cyclist inside hiding deep under a thick layer of lard.
I guess it's like giving up smoking. It's a process, and just because I've failed again (and again, and again) doesn't mean I should give up.

I always do OK until real life hits, stress and pain and injury throw me off the path of righteousness. I don't have any non-food rewards or comforts. That's this year's challenge - find a replacement.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 02 January, 2020, 08:23:59 am
Managed to get through the holidays with a slight loss, despite several non-keto days.
Got a fairly aggressive target of 83kgs by mid March as I'll be going to Japan and then 78kgs by July, which is the Canadian Nationals (Kendo) in which I will now be eligible for the Masters category. Muscle gain may get in the way of these targets, but I'm tracking fat % as well, so as long as that keeps going down.
I'll need to go on fairly strict keto for this to work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 02 January, 2020, 09:08:05 am
Fboab, I sympathise with the food/reward thing as I have few non food rewards.

We are back on the Keto as well but trying also to go less meat. About to try Tempeh for the first time.
If anybody has any vegetarian Keto recipes or suggestions I would be very interested.

Main thing for me is more exercise, remove sweets and eat better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 02 January, 2020, 10:32:52 am
Oh well, seems like mine is a common story...
I'm 1.5 kg heavier than I was this time last year, which would be OK if I hadn't lost lost and found 12kg in between.  I need to get back on it, but struggling to find the will, I've got several cycling plans for this year that are not going to be much fun at my current weight. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 02 January, 2020, 11:17:21 am
About 0.5kg gain over 12 months. Slightly overweight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 03 January, 2020, 06:31:10 pm
Yesterday the bathroom scales were reporting a low battery, so I replaced it.
This morning I appear to have put on three pounds, which is a touch depressing.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 January, 2020, 06:35:26 pm
Most 'seasonal' gain is temporary...
(I post this almost every year.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 03 January, 2020, 07:58:15 pm
Most 'seasonal' gain is temporary...
(I post this almost every year.)

...and we keep testing it, every year :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 January, 2020, 08:12:37 pm
Stopping carbs and having an energy intake deficit will drop you 1-2 kg...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 08 January, 2020, 07:18:26 am
Most 'seasonal' gain is temporary...
(I post this almost every year.)
...as comparing my figures, last week to this, shows...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 09 January, 2020, 08:31:39 am
Back into exercise routine and that usual feeling of tiredness that accompanies the first few weeks of it. Ugh.

[EDIT] And the hunger! (I must have got to the point that I really want to lose weight again, rather than just thinking I should, as it's quite easy to avoid feeding the hunger.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 15 January, 2020, 09:47:09 am
OK, 0.5kg under where I'd hoped to be this week but that could easily be variance due to hydration state.

At 0.5kg/week I have the following milestones:-
* under 95kg (and under BMI 31) - Feb 12th
* under BMI 30 - March 25th
* under 90kg - April 15th
* under 14st and BMI 29 - May 6th
* under BMI 28 - June 17th
* under 85kg and BMI 28 - June 24th
* under 13st and BMI 27 - July 29th
* under 80kg and BMI 26 - Sep 9th
* under BMI 25 and under 12st - all around the end of October
* under 75kg - Nov 11th

Last time I was 76.x kg was around the time of London-Edinburgh-London in 2009.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 16 January, 2020, 08:19:54 pm
Scale reported sub 25% body fat today, offcially telling me that I'm not longer obese :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 17 January, 2020, 08:17:31 pm
Back into exercise routine and that usual feeling of tiredness that accompanies the first few weeks of it. Ugh.

And even more so end of week two. It'll be only 5h20 in total according to Strava once tomorrow's parkrun is done but that's enough for me in my current shape. Should eventually get up to 10h a week and we'll see if I can keep that going (save for "rest" weeks of 5-6h or so every 4 weeks).

[EDIT] Parkrun and then a few hours running around playing football with my daughter down at the local rugby club. Both of us now broken. Going to bed before 9pm for the first time in years (I'm a night owl so bed time is usually 11pm at the earliest).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2020, 08:52:57 pm
Everything is going in the opposite direction at the moment. Since breaking my diet in late October, I have noticed how much I enjoy, and have missed, The Wrong Types of Food. I'm still succeeding in cutting down on the booze and the cake, but the bread is getting me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: davelodwig on 02 February, 2020, 10:28:00 pm

I didn't have a good year last year for my weight.

I changed job, and joined a project with lots of traveling and a snack budget, what ever I did my weight went up because I couldn't leave the snacks alone. I stopped going to slimming world with my wife because I was just paying to be told I had gained, when I knew I had, and I kept confusing them by doing 10,000 steps a day and gaining.

So here I am, I've started using an app (noom) on my phone rather than going to a meeting, I've started a new project at work with no snack budget, and I have to cycling in because there's no parking for contractors. I've got a couple of 6A sports climbs* I've almost cracked when I got down to 100 ish kilos that I would like to tick off, so here we go.

* and also I would like not to die young of a heart attack, I'm 40 this year I should probably take this shit seriously.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Arminius on 04 February, 2020, 10:18:11 am
Fboab, I sympathise with the food/reward thing as I have few non food rewards.

We are back on the Keto as well but trying also to go less meat. About to try Tempeh for the first time.
If anybody has any vegetarian Keto recipes or suggestions I would be very interested.

Main thing for me is more exercise, remove sweets and eat better.

A resounding "me too" on the not-having-non-food-rewards front. Does anyone? If so, what are they? I could really do with some ideas!

I'm also interested in vegetarian keto recipes.

On my attempts at weight control, it doesn't help that my wife has just bought 2 25kg bags of flour for all of her bread making... Then she tells me that I've got a bit tubby and I'm almost like a different person.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 06 February, 2020, 03:30:35 am
I think I figured out that the main difference now is that I don't mind (so much) being hungry. It serves mores as a reminder than the overriding alarm that it used to be.
 However,  there's been a couple of cheat weekends where I have eaten high carbs at events and the next day I'm usually *starving* and it takes an extra dose of will power to stick to the low carb. It'll go away after a day or so.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 26 February, 2020, 02:57:22 pm
81.9 kg last week, a fairly large drop which I am not reading too much into, but I can feel that the general trend is downwards. I feel better for it. I attribute this to more running and stopping getting lunches from the work canteen.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 26 March, 2020, 09:43:55 pm
Eurgh, complete absence of exercise + eating too much because I'm home all the time and it's too easy to just grab something means weight loss has stagnated.
The gym does have a 'home programme', but I've also been too lazy to actually follow it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 March, 2020, 08:58:51 pm
I see phil w is doing well, despite infrequent weigh-ins.

I'm not convinced frequent weighing is always helpful.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 30 March, 2020, 02:02:59 am
Well, just threw out 2/3 of my wardrobe...but also found few things that now fits again :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Phil W on 30 March, 2020, 07:03:33 pm
I see phil w is doing well, despite infrequent weigh-ins.

I'm not convinced frequent weighing is always helpful.

Normally I weigh myself just once a month or so.  I feel around a month is enough to see if there’s any real change in my weight. More frequently I suspect I’d be convinced not a lot is happening. So I’ll check in again end of April when I’ll have a view on what effect the lockdown is having.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 01 April, 2020, 03:16:17 pm
Contrariwise, I weight myself pretty well every day. It is (to me) interesting to note the variations, both random and weekly. For instance, my lowest weight is usually a Thursday. I do try not to stress if it goes up, and it's nice when it goes down.
And I'm feeling just a little smug at the moment as I hit my target size this morning, a month before I aimed. However, as the main reason for getting to that weight by then was to allow some slack for the re-enacting weekends over the summer, when excess food and drink seem to be the norm, but which are now all being cancelled, it's no longer quite so important.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 01 April, 2020, 05:09:51 pm
Exactly. I weigh myself every day but only really compare myself to my weight from a couple of weeks before. Weighing every day also helps remove the random inconsistencies or, in pre-lockdown days, significant variations due to hydration levels or recent sporting activities, because they're easier to spot. My weight swings by anything up to 3kg during a typical week.

At 0.5kg a week I've got close to 9 months to get to my target weight. I got down to within 7kg of it a few years ago but then lost all motivation after running a marathon. Last time I was at the target weight was just after LEL in 2009.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on 01 April, 2020, 05:57:04 pm
Last time I was at the target weight was just after LEL in 2009.

 ;D

In those days I would come off winter at around 76-78kg and it would take fairly severe abstinence for a couple of months to get to the target of 70kg for the summer.  This was the annual pattern for many years.

Things changed in 2016 when I started 5-2 fasting.  Since then my weight is 68-70kg year round.  No need for punishing weeks in denial of anything sweet or carbo.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 01 April, 2020, 06:10:02 pm
Yeah, everyday and I got a phone app that tracks it, along with body fat, etc. ..and yeah, it's been mostly flat for the last month.
Lowest weight is usually Friday. I can also clearly see the delayes effect from eating carbs, as I'll add a kg  a day or 2 later and it'll hang around for 3-4 ways
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 02 April, 2020, 10:58:48 pm
Every day. A month would be too long to discover my protocol isn't doing what I wanted it to do.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 04 April, 2020, 12:48:42 am
Ah. For some reason I thought cashew nuts where the 'good' nuts...turns out they're full of carbs...probably didn't help with the big jar I polished off over the last 2 weeks..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 April, 2020, 01:45:34 am
There is a reason cashews taste sweet...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 08 April, 2020, 05:47:17 pm
Curve going the right way again:D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 24 April, 2020, 01:19:34 pm
Lowest weight in 2020 so far and just 4kg down on the highest I saw in Feb/Mar. Trending nicely downwards at 0.5kg/week which means there's a long way (35 weeks) to my target weight. Slow and steady (although I hope it picks up a bit when I start being able to do longer/faster runs) and eventually get back out on the bike and in the pool.

Will catch up on the weight reports next week.

[EDIT] Done. High of 98kg so far this year, today was 93.65kg (just above my weekly target of 93.5kg but I've been 0.8kg above my target for the last two weeks so the trend is definitely in the right direction.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RobertW on 29 April, 2020, 01:18:22 pm
Since lockdown, which also corresponded with retirement and a house move, I have put on about 0.5kg/week.  I have reduced the size of lunch, and need to do something about snacking particularly in the evenings.  All part of getting a new routine.  Exercise is possibly a bit less now as I do not have the routine of a daily 22 mile commute.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: T42 on 29 April, 2020, 02:25:03 pm
Banned from cycling, I've put on a kilo in 50 days. That doesn't sound too bad until you realize that what I'm losing in muscle I'm replacing with fat. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 30 April, 2020, 08:14:03 pm
Big jump up!  ??? Learning to bake keto-friendly cakes was a bad idea, when you're in lockdown.
Now restricted to one cake per week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashaman42 on 30 April, 2020, 08:22:01 pm
Narrator: It was at that point he tripled the recipe to make giant cakes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 30 April, 2020, 10:04:39 pm
It started out as a corn bread substitute and turned into a chocolate banana  vanilla bread/cake over 3 weeks...problem was that I ended up making too tasty for my portion control abilities, especially when its *just there!!!*.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 May, 2020, 04:26:58 pm
My problem is also one of kitchen-proximity
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 05 May, 2020, 03:15:47 pm
New lockdown regime seems to be working:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/weight_20200505.png)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 06 May, 2020, 10:58:35 pm
Right direction again, but I feel that I'm still gaining fat & losing muscle. Can't get motivated to do home workouts.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 May, 2020, 11:27:36 am
Right direction again, but I feel that I'm still gaining fat & losing muscle. Can't get motivated to do home workouts.

You and me both  ::-)

I'm finding daily walking is fine for mental health, but shite for offsetting an anxiety-based lockdown diet from hell.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 10 May, 2020, 02:56:32 pm
I was already overweight and flabby after 6 months of working extra days, a family bereavement, and sh1t weather in February/early March. Workplace closed a week before lockdown and have been WFH since then.

Put on an estimated 4-5kg over the past 2 months. A mix of comfort eating, drinking most evenings and relatively little exercise. Much more sedentary than usual, even if I manage to get out for a walk or ride in the fresh air.

So I'm now the heaviest I've ever been I think. 1.4kg more than in January 2017, which was my heaviest at that point. (I've been avoiding weighing myself recently as it was just obvious I was fat).

I will once again try intermittent fasting, as it worked before. We'll see what happens.....also may start a regular exercise regime.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Colinf on 15 May, 2020, 11:44:08 am
I need to get my act together and work out a sensible plan. If it goes ahead I'm riding the Transatlantic way bike packing (race) on the 3rd of Sept (16 weeks)  2500km and a massive amount of up hill !!!  I am still cycling fit and have been ticking over on about 150 miles a week this year but now need to ramp up the training. Im 57 and only need to look at a cake to pile on a stone ! so over lockdown I've pilled on some weight (about 10 pounds) on top of what i already needed to loose, ideally i want to loose 20 pounds over the next 16 weeks. Can anyone suggest and motivational tips or success stories for this amount of weight loose over this period of time ?                             

Many Thanks

Colin
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on 19 May, 2020, 11:58:41 am
Lowest weight for a long time this morning, continued downward trend despite a bit of a blip last week. 0.65kg above tomorrows target weight but not concerned if I miss it as there's so much variance from hydration/etc. Plus I cooked a curry yesterday which will be really easy to avoid proper portion control.

Getting back into the habit of being hungry and ignoring hunger or attempting to stave it off with a coffee or water.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 19 May, 2020, 12:54:42 pm
I’ve stalled a bit the last 2 or 3 weeks - hovering around 79kgs (bmi 23.1). I’d like to hit 75kg (bmi 21.9) really, so will have to get my (not) eating act together.

Back to the time restricted feeding methinks, without the morning bacon butty...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: S2L on 19 May, 2020, 01:14:41 pm
More structured training, WFH so no cake or biscuits or shitty canteen food... I've effortlessly lost 5 kg since mid March.
68 kg this morning, I have to go back 30 years since the last time I weighed so little.

The difference on the bike is immense, especially when the road goes up... I can do some draggy 2-4% segments faster in head wind than I used to in tail wind
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 19 May, 2020, 03:19:32 pm
Being permanently at home after years and years of spending 20+ days a month in hotels or aeroplanes ought to lead to precipitate weight loss due, no?

No. It would appear not. A diet of jolly fine stuffs from the local shops, and access to a wine collection that used to get a glancing blow once a month leads to significant weight gain.

Who knew?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 19 May, 2020, 06:10:32 pm
My problem is that I could avoid the canteen due to its obvious ‘quality’. Now I am around my own bread, which used to be 17 miles away...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 19 May, 2020, 06:11:54 pm
Completely lost the plot last week and ate everything.
Gym classes are starting up next week, so hopefully that will help and then I need to go back onto a structured meal plan again rather than just freewheeling it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 04 June, 2020, 05:46:37 pm
So, back in the gym, stopped baking(!!!!!!!) and things are back on track...I hope.. At least I can see some of the new fat disappearing again and scale is now trending downwards again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lightning Phil on 04 June, 2020, 06:25:07 pm
10 weeks of lockdown and stabilised at 11st 1 lb , so 70 kg. No loss of power on bike so all good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 15 July, 2020, 04:47:03 pm
Well here I am, back again. Back to Slimming world.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 July, 2020, 09:37:24 pm
Well here I am, back again. Back to Slimming world.

Are they meeting face to face or is it online?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 15 July, 2020, 09:53:18 pm
Well here I am, back again. Back to Slimming world.

Are they meeting face to face or is it online?

Zoom meeting at the moment, which is quite nice because I can get to know them without having to go out. They are planning to be back in classes in mid August, hopefully, although I will probably still be doing it via Zoom for a while I should think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 16 July, 2020, 10:31:24 am
My wife and i got to the stage where we were drinking more wine than we liked and had put on some weight.  I was upto 13stone 13lb which was my highest for many years. (I once touched 14 but generally hovered around 13.3 and 13.7.

We absolutely loved keto and I found I could ride on it and lose some weight but this time we wanted to lose serious weight and I wanted to complete some bucket list rides involving serious climbing.

We therefore started a Very low calorie keto diet on 30 May of 800calories per day.  My weight last night was 12 stone 3 and I have dropped at least a size in trousers. I am aiming for between 11 and 11.7 in the end.

Interestingly although I did not see myself as "pregnant", the first fat to go was the intra-abdominal fat.

We have eaten far more vegetables, loads of chicken, no alcohol and 10grams of Lindt 70% chocolate with sea salt.  I broke the diet when i did 100km ride on Monday and ate well but sparingly.

Keto but counting every calorie is strange but I think we will have to do it forever.  The plan is to continue for another 3-4 weeks and then transition to about 1000Calories and then a 5:2 process. 

My wife who tells me she is NOT a runner is now doing small amounts of jogging to burn extra calories on her walks.  She does not realise but is doing a slow couch to 5k!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Beardy on 16 July, 2020, 11:32:16 am
Inspired (shamed) By Dr Beardy’s shrinkage (she’s lost over 2 stone since Christmas and a couple of dress sizes) I’ve rather half arsedly started dieting. I’ve done the 5/2 in the past to reasonable success, but it’s hard to fit in with Dr Beardy’s eating, so this time I’m Trying the 17/7 which seems to be working slowly. I’d prefer slowly in any case, as it is more sustainable for me. I’m eating between 13:00 and 20:00 which also allows me more time in the morning to get out and run while still fasted. Beer drunk after 20:00 has an almost immediate reversal effect so I’m having to curb my natural tendencies their, but at least I can eat bread during the 7 so it’s not all bad.

At 18 ½ stone I’ve a way to go, but I’m now getting a good feel for what works, so onwards...

I wonder if I shifted my window to 15:00 to 22:00 I could then drink beer for a couple of hours. Hmm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 16 July, 2020, 01:00:43 pm
Beardy it is certainly not easy.  After a rocky start to the pandemic with a lot of extra work and after my stress earlier in the year, I am in a relatively god place.  With both of us doing the diet and myself doing most of the cooking we have had success so far.

I am not a slow and steady person and have found the results on the scales to be a great motivator.  I am now also seeing the fat disappearing so that my (miniscule) muscles are actually visible. 

Cycling up hills has almost become enjoyable.  I suddenly found that more of my effort when standing was going into movement of the bike compared to just lifting me up off the saddle.  The difference for me was remarkable.  The motivation of a new bike has also helped as we are both reward driven (not necessarily good).  My wife is choosing her new jewellery.  The 84 day wait for the bike to be delivered is also motivating!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 July, 2020, 04:11:20 pm
I reckon, at least in my case, abdominal fat ALWAYS goes fairly early in any weight loss campaign.
Water and glycogen go first but those doing keto might have little of this to lose.

Hip & thigh fat are the slow movers in my case. I'm not sure if any type of eating plan changes that. Seems to need a long time on a low intake...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 06 August, 2020, 09:41:41 pm
I see Butterfly is commendably succeeding in this weight loss struggle;
You progress has not been ignored!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: pdm on 08 August, 2020, 10:27:29 pm
My SO insisted we invest in new Bathroom Scales (of a good quality variety that does not give wildly different readings each time AND is relatively accurate (1% or better rather than the 4-8%? of the previous ones)...
This has inspired me to weigh the body and take the readings seriously.
After 20 or so years at a constantish 95-97kg despite 2-300km per week on the bike in the Hilly Peaks, I have embarked on a mass reduction program of strict intake (no extras) and increased output (more hours per week on the bicycle)
Seems to be going well. Down to 89kg from 97kg in 11 weeks so far and hope to end up at around 80kg (BMI 22) eventually.
Hopefully the body will then habituate to the new level.
I guess it can be done - not suffering yet!  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 08 August, 2020, 11:31:03 pm
My SO insisted we invest in new Bathroom Scales (of a good quality variety that does not give wildly different readings each time AND is relatively accurate (1% or better rather than the 4-8%? of the previous ones)...
This has inspired me to weigh the body and take the readings seriously.
After 20 or so years at a constantish 95-97kg despite 2-300km per week on the bike in the Hilly Peaks, I have embarked on a mass reduction program of strict intake (no extras) and increased output (more hours per week on the bicycle)
Seems to be going well. Down to 89kg from 97kg in 11 weeks so far and hope to end up at around 80kg (BMI 22) eventually.
Hopefully the body will then habituate to the new level.
I guess it can be done - not suffering yet!  ::-)
Congratulations it can be done. I have dropped from 13stone13 to 11stone9 in the last 2 months and cannot believe ho much better I feel. We have done strict 800calorie Keto as it suits us. I see no reason why any diet cannot give equal results.

We are noticing how we have changed tastes, thought patterns and desire for food in good ways. I think a 12 week plan for instilling new behaviour patterns is essential.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 August, 2020, 05:35:05 pm
Well here I am, back again. Back to Slimming world.

Half a stone down!

Keep going!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 14 August, 2020, 11:02:36 pm
I am the heaviest I've ever been, from needing to lose about 15kg at the start of the year I've probably put that much on.  I say probably, I'm not going anywhere near the scales till I can see the reading.  Just back from a few days away where I took clothes that i assumed fit, they didn't.  Diet started today...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 16 August, 2020, 09:15:44 am
For those who have access to PBS on their tv, today and tomorrow at various times there is a programme being broadcast “The truth about fat”. We found it interesting (and in my case a bit depressing - my wife’s been a size 10 for the last 30 years so is generally untroubled by fat issues) and well worth a watch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 August, 2020, 05:15:45 pm
A size 10 in 1990 is not the same as a Size 10 in 2020, though neither is fat. A 2020 size 10 could weigh around a stone (6kg) more than a generation ago and the difference is mostly visceral fat.

Of course, older women aren't the same shape as young girls but M&S clothes now fit waists around 15cm larger than when I were a lass, fo a given 'size'.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 20 August, 2020, 03:55:45 pm
A size 10 in 1990 is not the same as a Size 10 in 2020, though neither is fat. A 2020 size 10 could weigh around a stone (6kg) more than a generation ago and the difference is mostly visceral fat.

Of course, older women aren't the same shape as young girls but M&S clothes now fit waists around 15cm larger than when I were a lass, fo a given 'size'.

M&S are ridiculous. Example - here are two skirts I own, both M&S neither of which fit me now because lockdown:

(https://i.ibb.co/84xFFzj/IMG-2391-Edited.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mFyQQvH)

The black one (1991 vintage, says the label) is two sizes *bigger* than the other, which I must have got about 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 August, 2020, 09:09:13 pm
M&S adjust their clothing shapes and sizes to adapt to their market, which represents the populace...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: pdm on 21 August, 2020, 12:01:32 pm
M&S adjust their clothing shapes and sizes to adapt to their market, which represents the populace...

We have found they also seem adapt their stock to the part of the country/city the shop is in...
We went into M&S in Yeoville many years ago (briefly looked at a job there once) - all the clothing appeared to be for shorter people that usual - it seemed a bit odd until we looked more closely at the average height of the punters in the shop and also met the one tall lady in the lift who commented "how nice it was to see vertically unchallenged people for a change"... (Are the folk thereabouts selectively bred to cope with low flying helicopters, I wonder?)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 21 August, 2020, 01:16:31 pm
A size 10 in 1990 is not the same as a Size 10 in 2020, though neither is fat. A 2020 size 10 could weigh around a stone (6kg) more than a generation ago and the difference is mostly visceral fat.

Of course, older women aren't the same shape as young girls but M&S clothes now fit waists around 15cm larger than when I were a lass, fo a given 'size'.

Is it me, or is it a shape change, rather than just size inflation?  The waist to hip ratio seems to be getting progressively sillier. (I know I tend to carry weight on my arse, and I have the thighs of a recumbent cycling champion, but still...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 21 August, 2020, 01:22:11 pm
A size 10 in 1990 is not the same as a Size 10 in 2020, though neither is fat. A 2020 size 10 could weigh around a stone (6kg) more than a generation ago and the difference is mostly visceral fat.

Of course, older women aren't the same shape as young girls but M&S clothes now fit waists around 15cm larger than when I were a lass, fo a given 'size'.

Is it me, or is it a shape change, rather than just size inflation?

A bit of both, I reckon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 August, 2020, 01:35:01 pm
M&S adjust their clothing shapes and sizes to adapt to their market, which represents the populace...

We have found they also seem adapt their stock to the part of the country/city the shop is in...
We went into M&S in Yeoville many years ago (briefly looked at a job there once) - all the clothing appeared to be for shorter people that usual - it seemed a bit odd until we looked more closely at the average height of the punters in the shop and also met the one tall lady in the lift who commented "how nice it was to see vertically unchallenged people for a change"... (Are the folk thereabouts selectively bred to cope with low flying helicopters, I wonder?)
When I went to teachers' training college in Lancashire in 1972 I was struck by the small stature of the vast majority of my fellow students. To a degree, this might have been accounted for by the fact that I went from an all boys' school to a college where women outnumbered men by at least 2:1. Even so, there were hardly any men in my year who were taller than I was, the one who immediately springs to mind was called Ken Ness. As his name implies, he was Scots and of course they are known to be taller than average for the UK.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 August, 2020, 02:36:52 pm
A size 10 in 1990 is not the same as a Size 10 in 2020, though neither is fat. A 2020 size 10 could weigh around a stone (6kg) more than a generation ago and the difference is mostly visceral fat.

Of course, older women aren't the same shape as young girls but M&S clothes now fit waists around 15cm larger than when I were a lass, fo a given 'size'.

Is it me, or is it a shape change, rather than just size inflation?  The waist to hip ratio seems to be getting progressively sillier. (I know I tend to carry weight on my arse, and I have the thighs of a recumbent cycling champion, but still...)

M&S 'waist' sizes have gone up 5-6 inches for a given 'size' since 1980.
Hip sizes have only expanded up to 3 inches.
It's not just you.

ETA I have posted elsewhere about washing machine woes. The result is I'm wearing pants that I've had a LONG time. Today's were bought in bhs in Wolverhampton in 1984. The label states Size 18 to fit hips 43". That's an M&S 16 now and a size 16 M&S size 16 waist is now a whopping 33¾."

If you really want M&S size nerdery, when buying pants, the Russian (ru) size gives a waist, hip and height range in cm on the packaging or label. Us Brits don't get this information as routine...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 August, 2020, 02:41:16 pm
When I went to teachers' training college in Lancashire in 1972 I was struck by the small stature of the vast majority of my fellow students. To a degree, this might have been accounted for by the fact that I went from an all boys' school to a college where women outnumbered men by at least 2:1. Even so, there were hardly any men in my year who were taller than I was, the one who immediately springs to mind was called Ken Ness. As his name implies, he was Scots and of course they are known to be taller than average for the UK.

Whereas, when I started Medical School in 1976, I was one of the shorter women at 5'6"...

Rugby-playing, privileged doctors beget doctors...

The boys were tall too...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bhoot on 21 August, 2020, 02:43:35 pm
Is it me, or is it a shape change, rather than just size inflation?  The waist to hip ratio seems to be getting progressively sillier.
Absolutely.... I struggle to get things to fit and I am not very slimline. Oddly I seem to find some American sizes better, especially the "curvy" range if they have it. I am getting quite fed up with jeans etc that are tight on the hips and miles to large around the waist.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 August, 2020, 03:58:30 pm
I'm not made for jeans but my M&S pull-up trousers are about 13cm too big on the waist if they fit on the hip. I have these in three sizes depending on my fatness. Pull-ups that won't pull up are a FAIL... (I need pull-ups for other issues.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: T42 on 21 August, 2020, 04:39:23 pm
At the angiologist today, he asks my height and weight and I tell him, adding "BMI's a bit higher than it should be", he says "nah, it's fine, you're thin". I say "????", he says "yeah, slightly overweight is thin these days".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 21 August, 2020, 05:09:04 pm
At the angiologist today, he asks my height and weight and I tell him, adding "BMI's a bit higher than it should be", he says "nah, it's fine, you're thin". I say "????", he says "yeah, slightly overweight is thin these days".

He's got bigger fish to fry.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 27 August, 2020, 06:35:25 am
Getting out of the house everyday and into a routine has greatly helped. Still not the most stable diet (still keto-ish), but being kept away from snacks/fridge has helped.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 September, 2020, 10:20:40 am
I decided - again - that something must be done. I was talking to my Aussie daughter about this and she, who works in health policy, suggested an online programme called Noom* as it has, apparently, had a lot of good results.

You download an app and sign up for a trial period of a fortnight, which I think cost me about £15. It's not particularly cheap but I think it costs less per year than Slimming World or Weight Watchers. After my fortnight was up, I paid £139 for 8 months. It points out that it's not a diet but an attitude-changing programme which enables you to manage your food intake and exercise and hopefully improve your health along the way. Almost inevitably this will involve losing weight. There's quite a bit of psychology involved.

It's very American, but once you've got over that (and if I can get over that, I suspect that pretty well anyone can) it is helpful. It forces you to think about what you are doing. Every morning there's about 10 minutes' worth of reading about stuff. You weigh yourself every day and log it in the app. You log all your food and it counts your calories for you. There is a step counter embedded in the app, but there is a way of linking it to your fitbit, which I use: I've always got my fitbit in my pocket but don't carry my mobile phone around everywhere. Foods are divided into 3 categories and given green, amber and red colour codes, the red being the highest in calorific density.

So - does it work? Well, I started on the programme in early July and in that time I've lost about a stone. It's been pretty gradual but that's fine. I quite like the programme and the way it makes me think about everything I bung in my gob. No foods are off-limits, but there is  obviously a quid pro quo. I suspect that I will be subscribing for life. It lacks the weekly weigh-in and the way that tended to lead to fluctuation for me when I was with SW and, most days, you weigh exactly the same as the day before. It costs me about the same for 8 months as I was previously spending on booze in about 2 months.

Oh, after your trial period is over, you are introduced to a group of like-minded "Noomers". My group is all British, mostly women, and there seems to be a larger-than-the-national-average number of teachers in there. We are still at the stage that we are quite formal and stilted with one another. There's a forum-style conversation pit overseen by an American Group Leader.

*So named because you ask yourself "How big is my bum?" when looking in the mirror...?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 16 September, 2020, 10:55:50 am
Tcha. Wow, you've been had. In the UK you should be trying Second Nature. (https://www.secondnature.io/)
They spell colour properly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 17 September, 2020, 10:27:29 am
I've been in ketosis for 2 or 3 days. Watch this space!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 17 September, 2020, 02:23:45 pm
Good luck with it, I hope Keto suits you.

It suits me brilliantly and I am really healthy with it. I hope it works the same for you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 September, 2020, 04:41:25 pm
Tcha. Wow, you've been had. In the UK you should be trying Second Nature. (https://www.secondnature.io/)
They spell colour properly.

They probably call a swede a swede as well. But - they missed out I'm afraid. Also, it seems to be quite a bit more expensive...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 17 September, 2020, 04:54:40 pm
Good luck with it, I hope Keto suits you.

It suits me brilliantly and I am really healthy with it. I hope it works the same for you.
Well, my first question is, how can you blog about CAKE and do keto???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 September, 2020, 05:16:29 pm
Helen buys it just to keep up appearances! You don't think she eats it, do you?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 17 September, 2020, 06:10:43 pm
Good luck with it, I hope Keto suits you.

It suits me brilliantly and I am really healthy with it. I hope it works the same for you.
Well, my first question is, how can you blog about CAKE and do keto???
I make some very tasty Keto cakes!

But I am also able to have a cake slice on a ride without going out of ketosis, so I am lucky.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 September, 2020, 08:25:27 pm
I see the Butterfly is getting lighter - nearly a stone down in old money; well done!

I am detecting a ketotic aroma occasionally and my clothes aren't getting tighter.

We're still eating CAKE but in TINY slices.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 17 September, 2020, 09:22:57 pm
I see the Butterfly is getting lighter - nearly a stone down in old money; well done!

I am detecting a ketotic aroma occasionally and my clothes aren't getting tighter.

We're still eating CAKE but in TINY slices.

Thanks Helly. It feels incredibly slow!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 September, 2020, 09:39:11 pm
Thanks Helly. It feels incredibly slow!

Best that way; you have a MUCH better chance of keeping it off if you lose slowly!

Your eating habits need to be sustainable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 September, 2020, 09:51:07 pm
I see the Butterfly is getting lighter - nearly a stone down in old money; well done!

I am detecting a ketotic aroma occasionally and my clothes aren't getting tighter.

We're still eating CAKE but in TINY slices.

Thanks Helly. It feels incredibly slow!

One of the things that Noom stressed in one of my early-morning pep-reads a week or so ago was how losing weight becomes continually harder to maintain the more weight you lose. One of the things they suggested was to do some strength exercises and also some aerobics, as increasing muscle mass means you burn more calories when at rest. Nothing fancy: I've bought myself some 2kg dumb-bells for some light weight work, and I've also tried running on the spot for a minute at a time.

Quite apart from getting the pulse a bit faster, and also the breathing rate, the latter really brings it home to a chap, in a manner which perhaps should have been more obvious than it was, precisely why it is that ladies wear bras.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick H. on 24 September, 2020, 01:22:50 pm
Good luck with it, I hope Keto suits you.

It suits me brilliantly and I am really healthy with it. I hope it works the same for you.
Well, my first question is, how can you blog about CAKE and do keto???
I make some very tasty Keto cakes!

But I am also able to have a cake slice on a ride without going out of ketosis, so I am lucky.

Once I have settled into keto maybe I'll manage a little CAKE now and then. But I'm not sure I want to risk switching the cravings on. Having finally twigged that oat milk wasn't helping, and switching it for lashings of DOUBLE CREAM, I'm in a place where the weight is falling off but I never have any pangs for anything on the forbidden list.

I shall now go and make another pot of Posh coffee, and raid the fridge for the many delicious things which I can eat as much as I like of. Yum!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 15 October, 2020, 02:00:44 pm
I decided - again - that something must be done. I was talking to my Aussie daughter about this and she, who works in health policy, suggested an online programme called Noom* as it has, apparently, had a lot of good results.
How's that going?
Considering something along those lines and Noom is one of those on the short list.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 17 October, 2020, 12:48:33 am
Good luck with it, I hope Keto suits you.

It suits me brilliantly and I am really healthy with it. I hope it works the same for you.
Well, my first question is, how can you blog about CAKE and do keto???
I make some very tasty Keto cakes!

But I am also able to have a cake slice on a ride without going out of ketosis, so I am lucky.

Once I have settled into keto maybe I'll manage a little CAKE now and then. But I'm not sure I want to risk switching the cravings on. Having finally twigged that oat milk wasn't helping, and switching it for lashings of DOUBLE CREAM, I'm in a place where the weight is falling off but I never have any pangs for anything on the forbidden list.

I shall now go and make another pot of Posh coffee, and raid the fridge for the many delicious things which I can eat as much as I like of. Yum!!

I have a keto banana/coconut bread/cake recipe as my fallback when I really want cake...usually doused liberally with peanut butter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 October, 2020, 12:54:19 am
I decided - again - that something must be done. I was talking to my Aussie daughter about this and she, who works in health policy, suggested an online programme called Noom* as it has, apparently, had a lot of good results.
How's that going?
Considering something along those lines and Noom is one of those on the short list.

It's OK, it you can stomach the USAnian-ness of it.

Since early July I've lost about 1 st 10lb.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 October, 2020, 05:04:23 pm
Someone here seems to be losing weight successfully!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 October, 2020, 05:52:56 pm
Someone here seems to be losing weight successfully!
Don't you get that terrible feeling of déjà vu?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 October, 2020, 06:11:06 pm
Someone here seems to be losing weight successfully!
Don't you get that terrible feeling of déjà vu?

Not really; that poster is doing well, having not previously done so.

Others might have their triumphs, which should be lauded. If someone has a baby, congratulating them is fine, even if you've congratulated new parents before...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: davelodwig on 20 October, 2020, 12:04:24 pm
On and off for the last couple of years I've had intermittent foot pain, which mostly bothered me after long bike rides and stopped me running pretty much.

Finally I went to a physio to get it sorted out, well he sent me to a consultant, who did an MRI. Turns out I broke my foot about 5 years ago (I remember the incident well, A&E told me it was soft tissue). I now for my pains have arthritic joints in the cuboid bone from the damage done by my body compensating for the weakened foot.  Some of which is fixable by the doctors (I'm wearing a boot for 6 weeks to reduce the swelling and then possibly surgery or injections)

Meanwhile I'm under doctors orders to start loosing 30 kilos off my body weight to reduce the impact damage, I've rejoined slimming world, it's going to be a bit challenging I guess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 20 October, 2020, 03:07:34 pm
Losing weight on little/no exercise is easier than you think!

it's easier to tolerate being 'a bit hungry' and you don't get catastrophic 'bonk'.

Make sure food is out of sight and out of reach between meals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 24 October, 2020, 10:34:54 am
I decided - again - that something must be done. I was talking to my Aussie daughter about this and she, who works in health policy, suggested an online programme called Noom* as it has, apparently, had a lot of good results.
How's that going?
Considering something along those lines and Noom is one of those on the short list.

It's OK, it you can stomach the USAnian-ness of it.

Since early July I've lost about 1 st 10lb.
Congrats on the weight loss.
Despite the success, your opinion of Noom didn't appeal, I've signed up to give Second Nature a try.
I can do the weight loss without help, once I've determined to, it's the long term sustainability that I've not mastered.  I've achieved my ideal weight three times in the last decade, but never maintained it for a year. 

 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 October, 2020, 02:45:47 pm
IMHO sustainability is a matter of habit.

I lost about 15kg in 2012-13 and have kept at least half of this off up to now.

I'm not exercising at all because I can't and what applies well for me might not necessarily work for those on the move.

I think the interval between feeds is critical. Unless you are exercising intensely, you do NOT need to eat more ofter than every 4 hours; if you can extend this gap, even better.

When you do eat, make sure the portion sizes are small to medium, with modest carbohydrate portions.

Keep food out of sight & reach between meals. Have meals sitting down, in company, using proper cutlery & crockery.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 24 October, 2020, 08:27:18 pm
Second Nature stresses the importance of building good habits. That's mostly what it's about - we all know what we should be eating, it's getting into the habit of doing it..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 19 November, 2020, 08:12:24 am
9 kilos lighter since buying the turbo trainer in March. Not a big eater/drinker anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 25 November, 2020, 11:39:46 am
WFH seems to take up a lot of time, not all of it productive. I'm eating fewer sweets, chocolate and crisps, having generally more balanced meals. However I'm hardly cycling at the moment, and not much walking either. I have lost about 5kg since I hit peak weight in May during the first lockdown, but only because I've been doing 5:2 intermittent fasting. Otherwise I'd be even more whale-like than currently.

Something of a contrast to seven years ago, when I managed to lose about 13kg within a year. I was riding quite a few audaxes, and generally more active. I think age is a factor too though - seems to be getting harder to shed the kilos as each year passes...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: De Sisti on 25 November, 2020, 12:01:46 pm

At the angiologist today, he asks my height and weight and I tell him, adding "BMI's a bit higher than it should be", he says "nah, it's fine, you're thin". I say " ??? ?", he says "yeah, slightly overweight is thin these days".

During a telephone consultation, my GP says that I have to lose weight, stating that according
to the BMI stats she has, I should be no more that 72kg (I am 5' 7'' and weigh 78kg). I replied
that the BMI stats have been called into question and that I haven't been 72 kg since my late
teens.

Even at my fighting weight (2003-2009) I was between 73 and 76 kg. I told her that I was
fairly muscled (and as body-conscious as a teenage girl). She replied that I shouldn't worry and
that if I was happy with my weight then it's ok.

[Edit: After hip replacement operations in 2012 and 2018 I had to inject myself with a blood-thinning agent called Fragmin. Its effect on me was that I lost my appetite. Each time I was using it I lost close to 7lbs.]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 16 December, 2020, 10:41:14 am
Well, good news and nearly good news. I passed my original target weight, by quite a margin, but it looks like I'll fall slightly short or my revised, and admittedly quite ambitious, year end target. Mainly because I elected to start Christmas this past weekend, and so some wine (the first alcohol in 6 weeks) was had, along with a couple of mince pies and some panettone. And with a couple of days off, small lunches too, only compensated for by a couple of 40km rides.

The most disappointing aspect is that, despite losing nearly 2 stones from my heaviest tis year (sounds so much more impressive than 12kg), when I look in the mirror I still look fat  :-\

I need to lose at least another 6-7kg I guess (and probably nearer 10kg, although my wife might consider that too skinny, despite being a size 8 herself!), and hopefully that'll make more of an  impact visually.

For now, hopefully I'll be able to maintain weight over the holiday, and start a new press for reduction in the New Year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 16 December, 2020, 07:46:35 pm
The most disappointing aspect is that, despite losing nearly 2 stones from my heaviest tis year (sounds so much more impressive than 12kg), when I look in the mirror I still look fat  :-\
The mirror lies, really, either way we see what we're expecting, at least to some extent.  You're more likely to see the difference in photos than the mirror, though if your experience is anything like mine, it's others who'll notice more than you. 
Well done BTW :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 December, 2020, 09:02:15 pm
The tape measure is a fair arbiter of fatness. I'd say clothing is too but lockdown has put us into more stretchy casual clothes.

Still, neck/collar, waist and hip girth will give you a good idea...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 17 December, 2020, 10:54:41 am
Thanks both. Definitely better by the tape measure test - at least 4" off the waist. I guess what it is, as I've lost the overall covering of fat (my wedding ring is now consigned to a drawer awaiting reduction as it started slipping off!) the remaining areas - moobs and gut - are more obvious.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 December, 2020, 11:37:39 am
[Repeated Seasonal Warning]

Do not be dismayed/upset if your seasonal indulgences result in substantial weight gain.

Most is glycogen + water and will be shed once healthier eating patterns resume.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lightning Phil on 17 December, 2020, 07:33:02 pm
My ring finger is my arbiter of fatness.  My wedding ring easily comes off, so my fingers have less fat than any time since I got married. On my upright bikes I now need to wear gloves to keep the ring on.  Who knew fingers carried so much fat? Weight pretty stable since the initial loss up to April 20.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 December, 2020, 07:37:18 pm
Fingers carry fat and fluid.

As medical students, we were taught to check pregnant women's rings for tightness as sudden swelling could indicate the fluid retention of pre-eclampsia, a condition which threatens health and life of mother and child.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 December, 2020, 07:41:02 pm
Wrists are also indicative.

Fewer folk wear watches nowadays but significant fat loss might require you to tighten your strap a notch or two.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 17 December, 2020, 08:09:23 pm
Wrists are also indicative.

Fewer folk wear watches nowadays but significant fat loss might require you to tighten your strap a notch or two.

Yep, the bracelet on my “good” watch is really quite sloppy now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 17 December, 2020, 09:02:11 pm
Thanks both. Definitely better by the tape measure test - at least 4" off the waist. I guess what it is, as I've lost the overall covering of fat (my wedding ring is now consigned to a drawer awaiting reduction as it started slipping off!) the remaining areas - moobs and gut - are more obvious.

4 inches (10cm) off the waist represents a significant loss of unhealthy visceral fat.

Which is good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nicknack on 17 December, 2020, 09:05:41 pm
I'm wearing my wedding ring now after many years being unable to.

About 18 months ago a cardiologist told me that my heart was no worse than it had been for a while and the trouble I'd been having was mostly down to me being too fat and lazy. Well, he didn't put it quite like that but that was the gist.

It took me to the beginning of the year to start to do something about it. Since then I've gone from 110.2kg to 92.4kg this morning, prompting my phone to inform me that I was now 'healthy'.

I haven't been that for a long time. So, "Whoopee! "
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 18 December, 2020, 09:25:37 am
Fingers carry fat and fluid.

As medical students, we were taught to check pregnant women's rings for tightness as sudden swelling could indicate the fluid retention of pre-eclampsia, a condition which threatens health and life of mother and child.
As a pregnant woman I had to have mine cut off. And then again after I broke a (different) finger. I think life was telling me something- this ring is not for you.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 December, 2020, 11:28:53 pm
Good stuff, Nicknack!

I had my wedding ring cut off because it would have cut my finger off through rheumatoid arthritis swelling otherwise. My dear wife couldn't get hers on her ring finger so started wearing it on her little finger. It kept falling off. Old romantic that I am, I bought her a gold chain for it and she now wears it round her neck.

I have slowly lost weight since early July and I'm now about 111 kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 19 December, 2020, 10:18:31 am
I've put my scales away for the year, both the food and body ones.  The cupboard is filled with festive goodies, some of which like bread, cheese and beer, I've hardly touched since July.  If it's all gone by Tuesday, that's Ok, but there'll be no more...
Started the year at 119 kg with the intention of getting down to 100 before some summer tours, but when it all went mad the weight went in the opposite direction and by July I'd added 9kg and the intention to be able to touch my toes changed to just being able to see them.  Riding stopped being fun, so I stopped riding.  Tried a few things, some of which have worked in the past, but couldn't settle into a routine, ended up just going back to the basics of counting and logging every calorie and aiming for a 1000 a day deficit.  It works for me, though it's tedious, I'm now down to 98kg, and will be a happy to start 2021 at anything under 100. 
I would still benefit from loosing another 5 - 7kg, but it isn't critical.  Staying below 100 is the big challenge, and I wish I was confident about doing that.  I've had a look at some of the programs, Second Nature, Noom and I'm on a NHS Diabetes Prevention course, but it all seems to be stuff I know and the difference between knowing and doing...
Anyway, rambling over, well done to all those who have made progress, and good luck to all in 2021.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lightning Phil on 19 December, 2020, 11:45:25 am
Fingers carry fat and fluid.

As medical students, we were taught to check pregnant women's rings for tightness as sudden swelling could indicate the fluid retention of pre-eclampsia, a condition which threatens health and life of mother and child.

So it seems though my fingers have always seemed slim, but clearly even slimmer now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 19 December, 2020, 02:03:12 pm
I've put my scales away for the year, both the food and body ones.  The cupboard is filled with festive goodies, some of which like bread, cheese and beer, I've hardly touched since July.  If it's all gone by Tuesday, that's Ok, but there'll be no more...
Anyway, rambling over, well done to all those who have made progress, and good luck to all in 2021.

[OT] I presume you won't be following any fiddly Festive recipes then...

Enjoy your festivities!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 23 December, 2020, 06:08:31 am
Wrists are also indicative.

Fewer folk wear watches nowadays but significant fat loss might require you to tighten your strap a notch or two.

I dropped a hat size too, which kinda surprised me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 December, 2020, 02:04:26 pm
Wrists are also indicative.

Fewer folk wear watches nowadays but significant fat loss might require you to tighten your strap a notch or two.

I dropped a hat size too, which kinda surprised me.

I never thought of that! The scalp gets less meaty with age though.

Fat changes on the face have always been a nutritional giveaway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 23 December, 2020, 02:08:13 pm
Having lost 2.5 stone I have noticed that my bum is smaller and I feel I want to raise my saddle ever so slightly to compensate.  Anybody else noticed this?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 December, 2020, 12:21:01 am
Having lost 2.5 stone I have noticed that my bum is smaller and I feel I want to raise my saddle ever so slightly to compensate.  Anybody else noticed this?
I haven't examined your bum.

Whatever weight is coming off now is glacially slow. We have just filled the house with food for Christmas - well, it was already full of food, but things we don't normally buy that are here now are a duck, a Christmas pudding, some cream, a fruit cake and some oat bars. Each of those oat bars, which are quite small, contain 212 calories, according to the package. We have a fair bit of wine, but that's not that unusual. I just drink it very slowly these days. I can easily go a week with no booze at the moment, and when I do open a bottle, I make it last a week.

I'm about 2 stone down on what I was at the start of July, but Google Photos kindly reminded me of a photo I took exactly 2 years ago. It was of our bathroon scales while I was standing on them.

I've lost 4lb in 2 years. if I keep that rate up, I'll still be overweight when I reach 100.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 25 December, 2020, 12:27:51 am
Having lost 2.5 stone I have noticed that my bum is smaller and I feel I want to raise my saddle ever so slightly to compensate.  Anybody else noticed this?

Having lost a broadly similar amount of weight over the last year I haven't noticed a difference with saddles, but I'm feeling the lack of padding under my vertebrae on recumbent seats.  It doesn't seem to have made enough of a difference to leg extension to make me change the boom position, but I did switch to a different pedal system partway through the year, which might have compensated.
Title: Successful weight loss
Post by: Andy W on 26 December, 2020, 10:30:47 pm
Has anyone here lost around 10 kg? I ask specifically as that's about the amount of bodyfat I'd like to shed. I'm currently 83kg and 185cm tall. I'm 60 next week and would really like to have a last gasp of decent power to weight, both for cycling and running.  I can manage a 23 minute 5km but really want to break 21 minutes.
Title: Re: Successful weight loss
Post by: Chris S on 26 December, 2020, 10:32:19 pm
There are many ways to do it. They all require one thing. Consistency. Choose a method that fits your life, and stick to it

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Title: Re: Successful weight loss
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 December, 2020, 10:36:30 pm
I have lost >10kg twice in the past couple of years, firstly with Slimming World. After that, I put all the weight back on. Since early July, I have lost about 12kg. It’s very slow now.

Losing weight is one thing. Keeping it off is another.
Title: Re: Successful weight loss
Post by: hellymedic on 26 December, 2020, 10:50:06 pm
I lost about 12kg, mostly in 2012, some in 2013.
I ate smaller portions.
I ate MUCH less bread/potato/pasta/rice.
I gave up the daily croissant & jam habit that I'd picked up in Paris in 2009.
I waited as long as possible between meals and skipped some if I wasn't hungry or eating was inconvenient.
I decided I wouldn't die of starvation if I was a bit hungry.
I mostly stopped eating between meals.

The Weight Loss Discussion Thread is as old as the forum itself.

Weight loss graphs and tables for several previous years are available so you can see who has been successful and when...
Title: Re: Successful weight loss
Post by: redshift on 26 December, 2020, 11:16:34 pm
My other half and I have been on something of a mission this year. I was treated for breast cancer last year, and it was frankly a bit of a wake-up call. The Doc pointed out that losing weight would help lower my oestrogen levels, which is a good thing.
Our method suits us, and is based on info from the NHS website, which can be summarised as "write down the calorific value of everything you eat and drink, aiming for 1200-1400 calories a day."  Just doing that made us acutely aware of what we were eating, and as a result we shifted not just the amount but also the types and varieties of food we're eating.  That intake level translates (in us) to a loss of about 1-2kg per week for him, and about 0.8-1.5kg per week for me.  Since we started taking notes in August I've lost 18kg, and Nick's lost nearly double that. We maintained our exercise levels and protein intake so we don't lose too much muscle mass as we're both in our 50s. In addition to bike/trike rides, I added in skipping in the early part of the year, and that has turned into running, as the greater impact should help stave off any bone density issues from my reduction in oestrogen.
So far, so good for us.  I'm hoping that this has taken long enough that the changes to our eating will stick, and hopefully we don't go back to our old habits.

Hope you find a method that suits you!
Title: Re: Successful weight loss
Post by: Chris S on 26 December, 2020, 11:22:15 pm
Wow! Well done you two  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Successful weight loss
Post by: Kim on 27 December, 2020, 12:43:21 am
Has anyone here lost around 10 kg?

I've lost about that much over the last year.  Entirely unintentionally, which probably makes me persona non grata in this thread (my main concern at this point being not losing any more weight).  FWIW it seems to be a combination of improved fitness due having finally sorted out the biomechanical niggles that were limiting my cycling and the mental health effects of the rise of fascism and global pandemic.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andy W on 27 December, 2020, 07:07:46 am
Kim, definitely not persona non grata, you'renot alone with concerns regarding pandemic and political concerns and glad your bike fit appears sorted. I've greatest respect for contributers here that have lost weight. I've bad food habits that I've got away with for decades. My self discipline is poor regarding anything edible. Eating out of date food so it doesn't go to waste, the list goes on. I've never kept a food diary but resolved to start. My wife estimated that I get through around 4000 calories a day. I'm a builder and I run and cycle. Back in the day (1984) I weighed 11 stone  4lb now 13 stone 3lb.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RobertW on 30 December, 2020, 10:45:10 am
The year is almost over and I am at about the same weight as the start of the year.  Currently 94kg, getting below 90kg has been my first target for a few years and then 85-87kg which used to be my normal weight, though I have been into the low 80's for brief periods.  I managed to lose a few kg in the spring, but retirement coinciding with the start of lockdown saw a slow increase, however have managed not to put anything on over Christmas.  Cycle mileage has reduced as I no longer have the 20 mile a day commute, hopefully next year will improve.  I am trying to get the right lifestyle rather than follow a specific diet - portion control, stop snacking between meals, reduce sweets and biscuits etc. - with a hopefully slow reduction in weight.  As we all know that is easier said than done.

Well done to those that have managed to to lose weight this year, lets hope we can all make progress next year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 30 December, 2020, 01:23:52 pm
Over the course of the year my weight has dropped just under 13kg, but since I properly started trying to purposely lose weigh at the start of September, I've dropped exactly 10kg - and that includes a 1.5kg uptick over the admittedly indulgent Christmas holiday. I'm now (at 80kg) the lightest I've been for many years. I've mostly done a similar thing to Helly, as I knew from previous efforts it works for me. Cutting down a lot on "white" carbs. Virtually no potatoes, and those I have had the majority were sweet potato, brown instead of white rice, or bulgur wheat instead of either, pasta once a fortnight, and today was the first actual sandwich with (brown) bread in 3 months. And the first packet of crisps too. I've been having rye bread open sandwiches - and recently reduced that meal from two slices to one. I also stopped eating weekday lunch - my job is sedentary - and have a small (35g) protein bar instead Monday to Friday. Oh, and I drank 3 bottles of wine in the three months, rather than the 3 a weekend that was normal. I also made a determined effort to get back on my bike, that had been sadly neglected (hence forgetting I needed a passkey to get into the Di2 app, never mind what it was!) and have ridden 20-30 miles most Fridays and Sundays since September, plus a weekly turbo session on a Tuesday. I intend to start the C25K at some point soon as well, as I prefer outside exercise to the turbo, but really inclement weather can put me off riding. Nesh Southerner!

I guess as a result, although I have over-indulged the last week, I don't have quite the appetite I used to, so tomorrows roast turkey legs has been modified to a pork salad (leftovers from Christmas day roast) with a small baked potato, which will be my one for the week. I can see us having to give away the Christmas cake we made!

Congratulations to those who've managed weight loss - I can sympathise with those "going it alone". My wife is, and has been for the 25 years I've known her, between 53-55kg at 5' 4" tall, eats like a sparrow, and needs calories to prevent further weight loss, calories I certainly don't, so meal design to satisfy both aims is sometimes difficult!

Commiserations to those that still face the challenge, maintaining motivation is hard.

So, the next push starts Sunday, and hopefully another 10kg off (I still have a considerable amount of fat around my belly and chest) before the Ides of March, so probably down to medium shorts by then if it goes to plan.  Then it'll be about maintenance, and seeing what I can bleed back into the diet in small / infrequent amounts.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 30 December, 2020, 01:45:24 pm
Virtually no change here , from the start of the year, slight dip in the summer.   My riding of late ( my key weight loss instrument) has dropped right off since summer.  A brief foray into BHPC racing on t'bent, amidst a 'project', then I lost my sister , then Covid started to come back,  then I got crook.  Mrs Pig doesn't ride, so I go out for 40-50km and I feel guilty , as shes at home on her own, I get back, then we go for a 6-10km walk in the country.  I don't feel I can go out for a 100km at the mo. Also there is the thought of ''what if I have an off'.  Next door came off, broke some ribs and collar bone, but caught CV19 in A&E. I don't want to go down that route.   tried the Keto thing last year, and it worked,but its difficult when you eat the same meals as your partner.  So next year, when all the chocolate cake and cream, nibbles , etc is out of the way,I will try VERY hard , to be good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on 31 December, 2020, 12:54:14 pm
I've optimistically signed up for the new year. I'm not doing much about it for now, but I might soon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 31 December, 2020, 11:52:15 pm
I have not been kind to my body during 'Rona times. I think I'm the fattest I've been since I replaced smoking with chocolate, way back in 2002. Now I live in the hills of Co Durham, such mass is contraindicated if I want to ride my bike anywhere other than up and down the Browney Valley.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 January, 2021, 01:08:25 am
My new year's resolution is to resurrect the graphs, which haven't worked since I retired the computer they ran on.

Edit: sh: gnuplot: command not found

Could be a while...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 01 January, 2021, 10:31:23 am
I started the year at about 86kgs, spent much of it at 89kgs, but have slipped a bit the last few weeks and have crept back to 82.5kgs.

Concerted effort require to bring it back down again. I’d quite like to get to 75kgs and see how that feels.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 01 January, 2021, 11:40:41 am
I'd like a weight-gain attempt that lost me 3.5kg!

I've put on nearly 10kg over the Covid period. Lack of a job, motivation and opportunity, combined with a two-month bout of sinusitis has truly bolloxed my previously relatively healthy lifestyle.

While I'd like to declare 'it all changes today', I think a less bombastic approach might achieve better results. Small changes, maintained. That's the plan, anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DuncanM on 01 January, 2021, 11:41:25 am
I started last year at 77.6kgs, got down to 74.9 for most of April/May, and then I stopped riding because it hurt my hip. Today I'm 80kg, with about 2.5% more bodyfat. :( My logs only go back to mid 2018, but that's the highest I've been with that log. I think the only time I've been higher was in the months after I started taking medication for hyperthyroidism (I kept eating like I was hyper for a little while).
Seeing as I still can't ride, I'm going to log what I eat - that tends to have the effect of reducing the amount of chocolate I eat because I'm bored.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: valkyrie on 01 January, 2021, 02:46:26 pm
How do people decide what their target weight should be? I’m 180cm tall and according to the NHS info on BMI  my healthy weight range is something like 66kg to 80kg. Most of my adult life my weight has been between 84 and 90kgs, so just getting down to 80kg seemed an obvious target. Once I got there I kept going, down to 78kgs. Obviously I now want to stay in the healthy range, but would it be better to target 75kg or even 70kg rather than 78?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 January, 2021, 02:52:01 pm
'Pinch an inch' was the old epithet.

Skinfold thickness over several strategic points on the torso should be about 25mm on a male.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on 01 January, 2021, 03:32:13 pm
I've got the weights graphs regenerated up to the end of 2020. There's no thread to add reports for 2021 yet.

Uploading of the output isn't automated yet, due to the tool I used to use having been deprecated. I'll have to look into alternatives. The graphs are currently hidden hard to find as the post is no longer pinned, presumably because they were broken.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 01 January, 2021, 03:39:32 pm
How do people decide what their target weight should be? I’m 180cm tall and according to the NHS info on BMI  my healthy weight range is something like 66kg to 80kg. Most of my adult life my weight has been between 84 and 90kgs, so just getting down to 80kg seemed an obvious target. Once I got there I kept going, down to 78kgs. Obviously I now want to stay in the healthy range, but would it be better to target 75kg or even 70kg rather than 78?

I’m very similar theoretical build to you. Same height. Now around the 80kg mark. And very obviously still carry fat around my waist and chest. As Helly says, the old adage was you shouldn’t be able to pinch (with tongs) more than an inch thickness of fat. I can comfortably double that in areas still.  I should, I think (and thinking back to my younger days) be around 65kg ideally. I was for many years (to my mid-20s) nearer 60kg, and not considered unhealthily thin. I’m aiming for 70kg by mid-March, and will reassess then.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 January, 2021, 03:48:33 pm
Fat distribution does shift with age.

There is noticeably less fat about my wrist than when I was younger and more about the waist.

Aiming for a waist size around 7 cm above a slim 30 year old self is about right for 60.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 01 January, 2021, 04:16:07 pm
I’m 185cm - quite short compared to some on the weight thread! In my mid to late 20s I was racing (running) at around 71kgs - so target ring 75kgs gives me a bit of margin over that. At 79kgs I can pinch a bit more than I wish in places. This will demonstrate that I am not a muscle bound individual!!

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 06 January, 2021, 09:32:39 am
Erm - 0.3kg up this week. Not the best start...

Never mind it’s a long term thing!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2021, 12:54:51 pm
I've just had an email from Patient Access, linking me to this patient.info page.
https://patient.info/news-and-features/how-to-make-small-healthy-changes-to-your-diet-without-dieting?xnpe_tifc=4.QLOIo84IVlOkoJhFol49pJRfn-OfnphIUsxfbA4FHdbCll4IHltIzjxIbAbuUuOf4L4.h.h.zJrFolxDhNOkHj4kxZhfbjxDbT&utm_source=exponea&utm_campaign=PA%20Newsletter%2043rd%20edition&utm_medium=email (https://patient.info/news-and-features/how-to-make-small-healthy-changes-to-your-diet-without-dieting?xnpe_tifc=4.QLOIo84IVlOkoJhFol49pJRfn-OfnphIUsxfbA4FHdbCll4IHltIzjxIbAbuUuOf4L4.h.h.zJrFolxDhNOkHj4kxZhfbjxDbT&utm_source=exponea&utm_campaign=PA%20Newsletter%2043rd%20edition&utm_medium=email)
I'm somewhat underwhelmed it features advertisements encouraging readers to seek Orlistat from pharmacies.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 13 January, 2021, 08:16:04 am
First "proper" weigh in of the year, and despite a lack of outdoor cycling (which my devices tell me burn more calories/hr than when on the turbo) and still finishing off the Christmas cake, I'm back to what was my lowest weight last year, with, according to the NHS, a BMI in the "healthy" range (just) for the first time in 10 years. Onwards and downwards!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 13 January, 2021, 08:30:37 am
And 0.1 down this week. Not to concerned as I’ll hopefully actually do some exercise next week, rather than just sitting in front of a screen all day every day:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 13 January, 2021, 09:19:34 am
My weight's up, despite two weeks of Dry January.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 13 January, 2021, 09:34:54 am
I’ve been dry too, but haven’t exercised much and have eaten ‘well’. I’m not worrying at this stage tbh - I was below 13st this morning, which feels like a key metric for me these days!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 13 January, 2021, 05:20:58 pm
I was somewhat annoyed to receive an email from Patient Access yesterday, linking to  a page about weight loss and featuring suggestions I could get a private prescription for Orlistat if I clicked on a pharmacy's link.
DO NOT WANT!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 13 January, 2021, 05:24:14 pm
My weight's up, despite two weeks of Dry January.  ::-)

It's not a surprise... we tend to replace an addiction with another one... you have probably replaced alcohol calories with other calories... biscuits, cake, chocolate, crisps or else...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on 13 January, 2021, 05:28:47 pm
My weight's up, despite two weeks of Dry January.  ::-)

It's not a surprise... we tend to replace an addiction with another one... you have probably replaced alcohol calories with other calories... biscuits, cake, chocolate, crisps or else...

Maybe.  I'm not calorie counting or logging or anything and the human brain is adept at subtle changes to maintain homeostasis, but as I was drinking about 1000kcals worth of booze a day, I think I'd notice if I were substituting with something else.

*shrugs*

Weightloss is all about the long game.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DuncanM on 15 January, 2021, 10:30:29 am
Down 0.6 kg in the last week or so.  Logging what I eat and not eating chocolate is clearly having some effect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 27 January, 2021, 04:34:02 pm
Coming down slowly , not helped by Mrs Pig.

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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 27 January, 2021, 04:55:28 pm
Back to where I was just before Christmas, two weeks off and four weeks to lose the gains... I'd like to say it was worth it, but it wasn't.
Anyway, back to moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 27 January, 2021, 06:44:58 pm
After last week’s ‘heavy Wednesday’ I’m back to where I was on 6 Jan. Given it’s been a dark month in more than one way I’ll live with that. Let the light return!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 27 January, 2021, 07:43:13 pm
Well, one step forward and all that. I’d dropped half a kilo from last week using the old scales. The new shiny Garmin scales increased my weight by 2kg. Sigh. Still the same target, but might just take me a bit longer! 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 29 January, 2021, 11:22:29 pm
Well, one step forward and all that. I’d dropped half a kilo from last week using the old scales. The new shiny Garmin scales increased my weight by 2kg. Sigh. Still the same target, but might just take me a bit longer!

They must be high calorie scales;)

Sorry, must be irritating. Another reason to keep mine. We have the v1 Garmin scales and I haven’t worked out what the v2 would add (colour display and mapping of the bathroom?)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Lightning Phil on 12 February, 2021, 02:59:20 pm
Weight fairly stable at 1kg heavier than my lightest in 2020. Still 8kg lighter than one year ago. Exercise is ticking over for now. Suspect weight will drop when I start training in the hope events may return later this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 12 February, 2021, 03:07:14 pm
Down 10.5 kg since 26 October. I have 4kg to go to my nominal target but that is stil
 Within the ‘overweight’ category so we will see.

Finding it so easy on Keto.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 14 February, 2021, 05:15:26 pm
Two weeks since we moved to the Isle of Lewis.

I'm running harder and more frequently (it is hilly here). Been for a 60km bike ride (hilly).

Put on 4kg!

My weight can fluctuate quickly, but that is ridiculous. Racing weight (a bit light) was 72kg and I was about 74kg at start of lockdown.

I'm 83kg now.  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 February, 2021, 05:47:30 pm
Two weeks since we moved to the Isle of Lewis.
I'm running harder and more frequently (it is hilly here). Been for a 60km bike ride (hilly).
Put on 4kg!
My weight can fluctuate quickly, but that is ridiculous. Racing weight (a bit light) was 72kg and I was about 74kg at start of lockdown.
I'm 83kg now.  :o

What is your waist measurement?
How do your trousers fit? Tum? Bum? Thighs?

If you're wearing loose and stretchy joggers, they won't tell you but assessing 'work' trouser fit will help you judge if weight is fat, fluid or muscle.

Not all weight change is fat!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 14 February, 2021, 06:05:06 pm
I've stacked the weight on my back, mostly. Fat around the kidneys. A bit on my tum.

Used my wetsuit on Sat, first time since August. Massive struggle to get it on, almost too tight to breath.

Waistline hasn't increased much, according to my jeans.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 14 February, 2021, 06:50:53 pm
Sounds like it's mostly fat, worst luck.

Some might have gone into those 'hollow thighs' if you're running.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on 15 February, 2021, 09:40:53 am
I'm trying to lose a stone or so just to be faster uphill.  Supposedly 2350 kcal a day will do it.  I seem to be eating more or almost as normal but dropping a pound or two a week.  I think my problem was portion sizes: what I considered a reasonable serving of pasta or cereal was TWICE a "serving". A proper serving of Jordan's cereal is 45g, or about one-third of a normal-sized mug.  It barely covers the bottom of a bowl.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: De Sisti on 15 February, 2021, 10:02:06 am
I went from 12st 6lbs first week of January to 11st 12lbs a few days ago. Stress with work situation resulted in me not eating regularly.

* 21% body fat, still overweight, according to BMI charts. :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 15 February, 2021, 11:26:27 am
I have just put new batteries in my Garmin scales and lost 10Kg. Love it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 15 February, 2021, 11:39:50 am
Didn't know it was that easy
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 15 February, 2021, 02:38:17 pm
The waistband of my trousers confirms that there has been no commensurate loss of flesh.

However, I now need to establish exactly what my weight is. It makes some sense that the accuracy of my scales deteriorated as the batteries became exhausted. Looking at the recorded weights of the last two years (all on that same set of batteries), it remained fairly consistently between 83-88 kg, with the variations depending on how seriously I took being overweight. At 88kg, my recorded waist measurement was exactly what it is now. From the beginning of lockdown I have not worked, so I have not visited restaurants or been involved in big social get togethers, I've done more exercise than usual and even been fairly seriously ill, yet my weight (according to Garmin) increased from 87kg to 96kg. yet my clothes fit as they always did. The newly-rebatteried scale gave me a weight of 86.6kg. Hitherto, I would have regarded that as reasonable (FACVO reasonable...) whereas 96kg worried me enough to take on Dry January and the Tour de Zwift - neither of which apparently reduced my weight one iota.

Given that my gym remains shut, and I will not trouble my GP for the triviality of checking my weight, I may have to buy a set of scales simply as a double-check!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 February, 2021, 08:05:53 pm
17 stones this morning. That's 2 stone 7lb down on my weight of about 6 to 7 months ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 February, 2021, 10:10:16 pm
The waistband of my trousers confirms that there has been no commensurate loss of flesh.

However, I now need to establish exactly what my weight is. It makes some sense that the accuracy of my scales deteriorated as the batteries became exhausted. Looking at the recorded weights of the last two years (all on that same set of batteries), it remained fairly consistently between 83-88 kg, with the variations depending on how seriously I took being overweight. At 88kg, my recorded waist measurement was exactly what it is now. From the beginning of lockdown I have not worked, so I have not visited restaurants or been involved in big social get togethers, I've done more exercise than usual and even been fairly seriously ill, yet my weight (according to Garmin) increased from 87kg to 96kg. yet my clothes fit as they always did. The newly-rebatteried scale gave me a weight of 86.6kg. Hitherto, I would have regarded that as reasonable (FACVO reasonable...) whereas 96kg worried me enough to take on Dry January and the Tour de Zwift - neither of which apparently reduced my weight one iota.

Given that my gym remains shut, and I will not trouble my GP for the triviality of checking my weight, I may have to buy a set of scales simply as a double-check!

Weird behaviour of those scales! Most battery-operated devices I have seem to retain accuracy as the battery fades. The display fades until unreadable but the numbers are consistent.

Do pharmacies still have any sort of weighing machine?

I'm inclined to believe tape measures and clothes more than weighing scales.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 15 February, 2021, 11:00:02 pm
I'd like to agree, Helly, but I do like data and my poor branes are confused by conflicting data (measurements vs strange scales readouts). I have ordered a 'control' scales. Not vast amounts of money like the Garmin thing, but hopefully good enough to tell me whether it's right or has gone doolally.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 15 February, 2021, 11:25:49 pm
I'm a data freak too!

I'm also 'careful' so in the circs, I would have gone for a simple, basic model of plain weighing scale from a reputable brand.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 16 February, 2021, 12:39:18 pm
Speaking of data, I was just looking at mine, and it seems that I've finally managed to stop losing weight.   :thumbsup:

Hopefully this will stand up to better cycling weather...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 16 February, 2021, 01:29:40 pm
Further to Tim's comments, can anybody recommend some quality reliable scales please?   We have two sets, one e digital, one analogue: they are both branded Salter.  The scales with the big round dial and pointy red needle consistently reads a little higher than the digital ones.  The digital ones are inconsistent.  I can step off, wait for reset and step back on and get a different reading completely.

I'm currently relying upon the "fit of clothes" method to reassure myself that I am slowly and steadily losing weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 16 February, 2021, 01:44:46 pm
Just use the dial one, and mark progress rather than absolute weight - unless the latter is a specific requirement.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 16 February, 2021, 02:18:24 pm
That's my usual routine but it would be nice to have something trusted and reliable to use if at all possible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 16 February, 2021, 03:59:21 pm
I'd like to agree, Helly, but I do like data and my poor branes are confused by conflicting data (measurements vs strange scales readouts). I have ordered a 'control' scales. Not vast amounts of money like the Garmin thing, but hopefully good enough to tell me whether it's right or has gone doolally.

New scales have arrived, and confirmed that the Garmin scales are out by around 10Kgs. Why this should have occurred on changing batteries I have no idea, but I've lodged that question with Garmin and will see how they reply. In the meantime, the new scales claim to do quite a lot of clever stuff and do talk to my phone. For £22 I'm not expecting a lot, but we'll see...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 16 February, 2021, 04:18:10 pm
That's my usual routine but it would be nice to have something trusted and reliable to use if at all possible.

My understanding is that with modern digital bathroom scales, consistent results can be obtained by using them in a consistent way. In other words, lack of reliability and accuracy is likely to be a user problem, not a device problem.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 16 February, 2021, 04:29:18 pm
That's my usual routine but it would be nice to have something trusted and reliable to use if at all possible.

My understanding is that with modern digital bathroom scales, consistent results can be obtained by using them in a consistent way. In other words, lack of reliability and accuracy is likely to be a user problem, not a device problem.

I bought a set of Salter digital ones last year to replace our notoriously inaccurate analogue ones, because they'll hold the reading for long enough for you to step off and bend down[1] to look at the display in a way that analogue ones simply don't, thereby avoiding the having-to-go-and-get-your-glasses-to-weigh-yourself problem.  In this respect, they've been excellent.

The problem is that they double as a means of measuring the unevenness of the bathroom floor, and it's easy to get a kilo or so of error depending on exactly where you place them.  My approach (apart from avoiding the worst of the floorboards) is to move them slightly and take another reading until I get two that agree.  This brings the error down to within the noise caused by the vagaries of my digestive system, which is as good as you can expect for body weight.

I don't think this is really the scales' fault.


[1] The display is big enough that I can read them from a standing position, but barakta can't.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 16 February, 2021, 05:16:56 pm
Re the digital scales that we have

Quite so Kim.  I bought digital for the exact same reason.  I keep forgetting to take my monocular into the bathroom to read the scales ...

Re inaccuracies:   I use the vinyl floor pattern in the bathroom to position the scales near as dammit in the exact same place every time I use them.  And as I say, I can weigh myself, step off, await reset, step on and get an entirely different reading.  The difference can be up to 2kgs.

Short of ensuring the exact same house / room temperature and humidity it is difficult to see how I can improve this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on 20 February, 2021, 12:30:51 pm
13st 1lb this morning.  That's 5lb in ten days.  Maybe a bit too fast.  I was aiming for a pound a week, so it seems my calorie limit of 2350/day might be a bit low.  It will probably slow down, though.

12st would be a pretty good racing weight, as I'm built like Peter Sagan but a bit shorter.  I'm never going to be one of tbose climbers with little dinosaur arms.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 March, 2021, 11:46:52 am
I seem to have plateaued again, at 108kg or thereabouts (17 stones). i spent a couple of months at 17½ stones from mid-November, so I think it will shift again, but according to my calorie counting, I'm living off <2000 calories a day at the moment, and I'm getting a reasonable amount of exercise (averaging over 9k paces a day this year). I don't think I could keep up fewer calories a day than that.

My spell with Noom is coming to an end so I will be "on my own", as it were, after that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on 06 March, 2021, 07:40:31 pm
Half a stone down now.  13lb to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 March, 2021, 05:19:58 pm
I forgot to measure my waist on 1st March so have just done so: 1.5cm less than on 1st Feb. However, I haven't bought any new trousers since the start of my weight loss: this is because I have been in the habit of doing up my trousers below a large overbelly. However, we are now at the stage at which I can do these trousers up and pull them up over my paunch. If my waist becomes significantly less, I will have to spend some money, either on new trousers, or comedy braces.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on 15 March, 2021, 10:59:17 am
Strava calories are bollocks, aren't they?  I reckon the marginal energy use from a 2 hour ride is more like 350-400 kcal than the 1800 kcal Strava calculates.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 March, 2021, 02:07:29 pm
I think Fitbit's are as well. They reckon I'm running a calorie deficit of about 1000 a day and have been for ages, yet my weight loss is now pretty well glacial.
Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Davef on 16 March, 2021, 02:42:22 pm
I think Fitbit's are as well. They reckon I'm running a calorie deficit of about 1000 a day and have been for ages, yet my weight loss is now pretty well glacial.
Running good rules of thumb are -

Pessimistic - 1 cal per kg per mile
Optimistic - 1 cal per kg per km
 
So if you way 100kg, somewhere between 10km and 10 miles will burn 1000 cal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 17 March, 2021, 12:21:54 am
Strava calories are bollocks, aren't they?  I reckon the marginal energy use from a 2 hour ride is more like 350-400 kcal than the 1800 kcal Strava calculates.

Easily demonstrated by comparing the results for similar rides on different bikes.  With its hopelessly vague categories, the algorithm doesn't have a clue how (in)efficient the bike is, let alone account for your luggage and riding position.  (It always thinks I'm taking it easy when I ride the Brompton, thus demonstrating that it's never ridden a Brompton.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 17 March, 2021, 09:20:27 am
Need a new plan, lost 30kg in the last seven months, now struggling to lose the last few, ideally another 7.  I'm convinced that routine is the enemy of weight loss, I've tried a few diets and fitness programs and every one of them has worked for a while, then the effect has diminished as my body adapts.  Like others, the calorie counting says I should be losing half a kg a week, and I'm not :-[
What next?  5/2 intermittent fasting worked well to kick this off, but daily life is a lot more active at present so not sure I could cope with that, I've tried Keto a couple of times but it didn't suit me, when the gyms re-open I'm thinking of trying some HIT sessions, open to suggestions.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 March, 2021, 02:29:56 pm
Need a new plan, lost 30kg in the last seven months, now struggling to lose the last few, ideally another 7.  I'm convinced that routine is the enemy of weight loss, I've tried a few diets and fitness programs and every one of them has worked for a while, then the effect has diminished as my body adapts.  Like others, the calorie counting says I should be losing half a kg a week, and I'm not :-[
What next?  5/2 intermittent fasting worked well to kick this off, but daily life is a lot more active at present so not sure I could cope with that, I've tried Keto a couple of times but it didn't suit me, when the gyms re-open I'm thinking of trying some HIT sessions, open to suggestions.

I've lost about half what you have in a similar time frame. I think I'm still losing weight, but it's now very slow. I've been following the Noom programme. I think the basis for it is good, but on the tech side, I found the app to be quite annoying (too small, only available on mobile devices, prone to crash), and the whole thing is is far too American (WTF are "biscuits with gravy"?). The programme finishes for me on 18th April and I've had an email saying that I won't automatically renew.

One of the points made is that as you lose weight, your metabolism changes quite drastically. Our bodies, according to their blurb, go into some kind of defensive mode after we've lost weight, and they cited the example of a pair of identical twins, one of whom had become overweight and the other hadn't. Even when they got back to the same weight, the one whose weight was constant was able to consume a lot more calories for a given exercise regime than his brother, but not put on weight. From memory, and this was a few months ago that I read this, the one who had lost a lot of weight was having to keep his daily intake down to about 1800 calories daily whereas the brother was consuming about 2300.

My plan is to continue to monitor what I eat and not put the weight back on. If I continue to lose weight slowly, then that's fine by me. If it starts to go back on, I will probably sign up for another programme, if not Noom, then the NHS version.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 17 March, 2021, 04:07:27 pm
I would highly recommend not to look up what biscuits with gravy if you are planning to keep the weight down :) I sadly didn't get to taste it, but looking at the queue for it in Portland and the look on my friends face when he clocked that we didn't have time to wait for before our flight, I would have loved some. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 17 March, 2021, 04:47:25 pm
Need a new plan, lost 30kg in the last seven months, now struggling to lose the last few, ideally another 7.  I'm convinced that routine is the enemy of weight loss, I've tried a few diets and fitness programs and every one of them has worked for a while, then the effect has diminished as my body adapts.  Like others, the calorie counting says I should be losing half a kg a week, and I'm not :-[
What next?  5/2 intermittent fasting worked well to kick this off, but daily life is a lot more active at present so not sure I could cope with that, I've tried Keto a couple of times but it didn't suit me, when the gyms re-open I'm thinking of trying some HIT sessions, open to suggestions.

I think you are right there.

For cholesterol-reduction purposes, I went on a dairy-free diet for a while.
Was starving most of the time. Lost weight at a huge rate. Then suddenly, the weight loss stopped. I reckon my body had adapted to the new diet.


I'm exercising about 4 times a week. About 5-6hours.

Doesn't seem to make any difference to weight loss. Started reducing lunchtime portions and keeping snacking down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 17 March, 2021, 09:34:26 pm
If it starts to go back on, I will probably sign up for another programme, if not Noom, then the NHS version.
I signed up to noom, but didn't last the two week free trial period.  What's the NHS equivalent? Second Nature? I think that has some NHS involvement, I'm considering it.  Or something else?
As a calorie counter, I'm using Nutracheck, which is  very much UK based and simple enough to use, but it doesn't offer much beyond the counting and there might be better value alternatives . Are you using fitbit for calorie counting?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 March, 2021, 12:37:17 am
I'm using the Noom app for calorie counting. I'm trying to keep below 2000 a day, and that seems to be a good spot or me: I'm not snacking in the evening, which was always my downfall - other than a handful of grapes which are low-calorie anyway - and my weight still seems to be dropping slowly. I've hit a couple of plateaux along the way - I started about 19½ stones in July and by late November I was about 17½ stones, and remained there pretty much until after Christmas. Since January, I've lost another half-stone, approximately, and I still think I'm going down very slowly.

I have to say that this has been a lot easier for me to keep organised this time as firstly my son and his partner moved out, leaving just Jan and me at home. It's much easier to resist the temptation to eat extra when you don't buy the extra in the first place. Secondly, I was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation - that was the trigger which started me off on Noom - and I've all but given up alcohol since. I really did enjoy a beer in the evening, but I'm out of the habit now and I'm not missing it. I have a few bottles of Clausthaler alcohol free (well, 0.4%) but I don't think I drink one a week of those.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 18 March, 2021, 10:02:33 am
Second Nature doesn't involve calorie counting or meticulous tracking (thank goodness), it focuses on meal composition and your attitude to yourself and your intake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 March, 2021, 08:54:51 am
I think I am going to sign up for Nutracheck, which works out at about £40 for the year. It’s app is basically a very slick calorie counter which has an extensive database of UK based bar codes. The Fitbit bar code reader just doesn’t seem to read UK bar codes - whether it would if I signed up for Prime I don’t know.

Meanwhile, I seem to have lost a kilogram this week, so March has been a good month for me. From now on I think I am in uncharted territory, at least in recent years - I don’t think I have been lighter than this since our children were small, and they are now middle-aged!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 April, 2021, 12:14:25 pm
A little more off the waistline this morning. I still have some way to go before those smaller trousers become a necessity.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 05 April, 2021, 09:02:42 pm
Reached my goal weight of 80kg this morning, having started at 94.2kg on 29 October.

As I am still above bmi 25 (currently 25.85) I have adjusted my goal down to 75kg as I think that will be enough. So another 5 to go, will hopefully be there by the time my wedding takes place - no idea when that will be, depends on paperwork and lockdowns...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 05 April, 2021, 10:49:27 pm
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Well done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 April, 2021, 02:53:56 pm
Well done AH!

My first goal when I started in July was 17½ stone, a loss of a little over 2 stone from my starting weight when I joined Noom. I reached that in early December. I weighed myself at 16st 8lb this morning, so hopefully within a week I will have achieved goal no 2, 16½ stone. It's many, many years since I was lighter than that - certainly before 1990.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 April, 2021, 08:06:28 am
My deal with Noom finished on Saturday. As it happened, the bits of the app I was most interested in - calorie counting and weighing myself - still worked until, pillock that I am, out of curiosity I pressed the “free upgrade” link that had appeared. That took me straight through the enrolment procedure and then offered me a free fortnight followed by >£40 a month!

I decided on the strength of that that I would stop calorie counting but, since my meals are largely repetition now, and I have counted those calories every day for months, that doesn’t matter much.

Breakfast - 150ml or thereabouts Waitrose orange juice with bits; porridge made with jumbo oats, oat milk and sprinkled with 10g chia seeds and a similar amount of muscovado sugar; 2 mugs tea with oat milk.

Lunch: ½ a jacket tater, carrots, parsnip/swede, cabbage/cauliflower/broccoli and protein: a couple of sausages, or a burger, or fish. We also have home-made chicken dhansak to an excellent Slimming World recipe, or occasionally veggie mince in the form of spaghetti Bol or shepherds pie. I think we are eating more fish than meat now. The main course is followed by a banana and one square only of Waitrose dark chocolate with hazel nuts. I might have a dessert spoon of yogurt or ice cream with the banana, but we make sure we buy only one tub on alternate weeks and when it’s gone, I do without.

For tea I have lettuce, tomato, raw pepper and possibly a couple of boiled eggs, or lean ham, or smoked salmon or a kipper. I have a slice of good bread (bread maker made using a mix of flours) and butter with this, and another slice with jam thereafter. Usually I have an apple and an orange. Sometimes I’ll have a 2-egg omelette with cheese and mushroom as the protein part, but I restrict this treat. It’s too fatty to have more than once every 10 days or so. I do love a good cheesy omelette.

In the evening I have a snack of a 10 grapes or so.

Throughout the day I drink quite a bit of tea and possibly a couple of cups of coffee, each time with oat milk.

I reckon that amounts to approximately 2000 calories a day. I have averaged almost 10k paces a day since the start of the year, and my current activity is such that I will be exceeding 10k average by the end of the month. I am also doing a little cycling, which I plan to increase after I have had my second jab and assuming that COVID restrictions aren’t strengthened again.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 07 May, 2021, 07:35:47 pm
I have mentioned, somewhere in this thread, that one of the factors causing the increase in weight of the population as a whole is that our built environment is a lot warmer than it used to be. Double glazing, central heating and insulated houses all help.
Yesterday I had a concrete example of this. MrsC and I were manning a voting station in our village hall and, due to Covid, we had to have two doors open all the time. The station is open 7.00-22.00, so cold at both ends of the day and being a village hall--they have their own laws of thermodynamics--it was colder inside than out even when the day was at its best.
For a normal working day, if I don't go for a run, I very rarely hit my 'move' calorie target on my Apple Watch. I find it fairly easy to get the 30 minutes of 'exercise' in though. Yesterday I was well over the calories, but the exercise score was only 17 minutes. The only real difference between yesterday and a normal work day (apart from the hours thank $DEITY) was the temperature.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: French Waffles on 11 May, 2021, 03:13:51 pm
Having battled weight all my adult life, if there is a diet out there, I've probably done it. I was pretty much always hungry. Never had a problem getting my five a day, love veggies. Even when I used to cycle a lot, I battled weight issues.

Physical issues stopped me cycling & the weight piled on.

Then in January this year I was diagnosed as type 2 diabetic.  Doc gave me a year to lose 10% of my body weight and get my blood sugar down to low end of diabetes
Since then (four months) I've lost 27kgs, my blood sugar is down to below being classed as diabetic (just), my BP has lowered significantly. That's why and how I feel I am in a position to start getting back on my bike after years of not being able to.

I am not counting calories or doing any form of portion control, nor am I keeping a food diary. Been there, done that. I am simply pretty eradicating as many carbs as I can from my diet. No breads, pasta, rice, potatoes, parsnips, sweet potatoes, no beans other than haricot vert, no alcohol, no sugars. I only drink tea/coffee and a lot of water. I am eating a vast amount of other veg, plenty of oily fish, chicken, turkey, eggs with the occasional treat of a steak or sausage (fnarr...). I have a tiny bit of milk in my morning coffee & tea. I don't have sweeteners or 'sugar-free' anything. I also do not stint with the 'good oils' such as extra virgin olive oil, hazelnut & pumpkin oils. I am eating well and lots of it. I am rarely hungry and rarely experience cravings.

My doc is thrilled as I have done it swiftly and my blood test results as well as the weight loss are all good. I feel much better than I have in years. I am more alert and active. I feel well.

It is an absolute joy to not have to count calories or exercise portion control!

I am acutely aware, however, that I have to have it burnt into my brain that this is NOT a diet. This is my long term health. I could so easily slip back. I have to really get my head around that. It is certainly helping that I am eating well.

Husband is doing it too - but he is not being as strict with himself as I am - he doesn't have to. He is maintaining a steady 9kg loss since February and is benefiting from it. He has the odd glass of wine with a meal and has the odd dessert, which is fine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Beardy on 11 May, 2021, 04:05:05 pm
I signed up with Noom for the 2 week free trial and life happened so didn’t get to try it out. Then being the idiot I am it automatically took my money and after a couple of attempts I’ve started again this week. I need to keep t it if only because I’ve paid for the year. I do need to lose weight though and with Dr Beardy (Mrs) having lost 30% of her body weight in the last year, the pressure is on me to do the same. And just think how much easier running will be. I might even get down to bicycle weight.  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 11 May, 2021, 05:45:46 pm
I've lost weight, I've gained weight, kept it off for a bit, and slowly put it back on. I could never get the same diet to work twice. However I do get on with long fasts, 2-4 day water only fasts. My wife banned me from them as she though it was important our daughter sees us eating all together, but my snoring has got worse, so I've got carte blanche to give fasting a real crack (after next weeks holiday that is).

From my own experiences, I'm a firm believer in fasting to lower insulin levels, and the 2 compartment model https://www.dietdoctor.com/obesity-solving-two-compartment-problem
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 18 May, 2021, 05:42:47 pm
Wondering why I'm turning into Mr Pudgy, the IT worker.

Look down at wastebasket. Full of chocolate and sweetie wrappers.

Oh.
That would be why.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 May, 2021, 08:28:26 am
Good effort, that, Waffles! And good luck beardy!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Beardy on 19 May, 2021, 08:59:02 am
I’ve had something of an epiphany this morning. Being signed up to a fancy food tracking service and tracking your meals doesn’t automatically cause weight loss. I think you’re also supposed to reduce the amount you eat and, well, avoid eating some of the crap  :facepalm:

Ok, I had a bad day on the food yesterday, not helped by Sarah proclaiming ‘let’s have pizza’ just as I was preparing to begin cooking dinner. I COULD have said no of course, but pizza is one weakness I really struggle with. It’s almost as important as BEER.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: French Waffles on 20 May, 2021, 10:46:53 am
Good effort, that, Waffles! And good luck beardy!

Merci! According the the scales, first thing this morning, I have now lost a total of 29kg since the middle of January. Hurrah! Chuffed to bits.  Himself is now maintaining a steady loss of 9kg since February, which he is entirely happy about. I saw doc last week as part of my regular check ups and he is a very happy doc!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 20 May, 2021, 12:06:59 pm
Beardy pizza got all the food groups if you make it right LOL

Anyway since getting the rowing machine, along with having some "fasting" days - read "don't everything you see, take it easy on that snacking" days. I have managed to drop 5kg in the last 2 months. Only 1kg off the "target" of being under 100kg by my birthday, so that might be possible. Though this mission is more to be generally more fitter not a weight weenie.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 20 May, 2021, 12:15:25 pm
I reached my target of 75kg this morning after my fastest ever 5k run.

I started properly food tracking at the end of October and have lost 20kg since then. I was already almost 20kg under my previous weight due to weight loss through Keto in 2019.

I now need to work out how much extra I can eat, and what, to stay at this weight.

Tonight’s celebration will be a Dönertasche which isn’t Keto but will be OK. Followed by Keto strawberry soufflé!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 May, 2021, 12:25:43 pm
Some more very impressive efforts there! Well done AH!

It crossed my mind earlier that this poem by A. A. Milne may (or may not) belong in here:

Quote
A bear, however hard he tries,
Grows tubby without exercise.
Our Teddy Bear is short and fat,
Which is not to be wondered at;
He gets what exercise he can
By falling off the ottoman,
But generally seems to lack
The energy to clamber back.

Now tubbiness is just the thing
Which gets a fellow wondering;
And Teddy worried lots about
The fact that he was rather stout.
He thought: "If only I were thin!
But how does anyone begin?"
He thought: "It really isn't fair
To grudge me exercise and air."

For many weeks he pressed in vain
His nose against the window-pane,
And envied those who walked about
Reducing their unwanted stout.
None of the people he could see
"Is quite" (he said) "as fat as me!"
Then with a still more moving sigh,
"I mean" (he said) "as fat as I!"

Now Teddy, as was only right,
Slept in the ottoman at night,
And with him crowded in as well
More animals than I can tell;
Not only these, but books and things,
Such as a kind relation brings -
Old tales of "Once upon a time",
And history retold in rhyme.

One night it happened that he took
A peep at an old picture-book,
Wherein he came across by chance
The picture of a King of France
(A stoutish man) and, down below,
These words: "King Louis So and So,
Nicknamed 'The Handsome!' " There he sat,
And (think of it) the man was fat!

Our bear rejoiced like anything
To read about this famous King,
Nicknamed the "Handsome." Not a doubt
The man was definitely stout.
Why then, a bear (for all his tub)
Might yet be named "The Handsome Cub!"

"Might yet be named." Or did he mean
That years ago he "might have been"?
For now he felt a slight misgiving:
"Is Louis So and So still living?
Fashions in beauty have a way
Of altering from day to day.
Is 'Handsome Louis' with us yet?
Unfortunately I forget."

Next morning (nose to window-pane)
The doubt occurred to him again.
One question hammered in his head:
"Is he alive or is he dead?"
Thus, nose to pane, he pondered; but
The lattice window, loosely shut,
Swung open. With one startled "Oh!"
Our Teddy disappeared below.

There happened to be passing by
A plump man with a twinkling eye,
Who, seeing Teddy in the street,
Raised him politely on his feet,
And murmured kindly in his ear
Soft words of comfort and of cheer:
"Well, well!" "Allow me!" "Not at all."
"Tut-tut!" A very nasty fall."

Our Teddy answered not a word;
It's doubtful if he even heard.
Our bear could only look and look:
The stout man in the picture-book!
That "handsome" King - could this be he,
This man of adiposity?
"Impossible," he thought. "But still,
No harm in asking. Yes, I will!"

"Are you," he said, "by any chance
His Majesty the King of France?"
The other answered, "I am that,"
Bowed stiffly, and removed his hat;
Then said, "Excuse me," with an air
"But is it Mr. Edward Bear?"
And Teddy, bending very low,
Replied politely, "Even so!"

They stood beneath the window there,
The King and Mr. Edward Bear,
And, handsome, if a trifle fat,
Talked carelessly of this and that ...
Then said His Majesty, "Well, well,
I must get on," and rang the bell.
"Your bear, I think," he smiled. "Good-day!"
And turned, and went upon his way.

A bear, however hard he tries,
Grows tubby without exercise.
Our Teddy Bear is short and fat,
Which is not to be wondered at.
But do you think it worries him
To know that he is far from slim?
No, just the other way about -
He's proud of being short and stout.



Source: https://www.familyfriendpoems.com/poem/teddy-bear-by-aa-milne
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 21 May, 2021, 07:51:02 pm
Thank you for posting that, Peter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 08 June, 2021, 03:17:48 pm
I completely ignored any dieting, did very little exercise from January onwards. Didn't go near the scales for months as I knew I wouldn't like what I saw.

Call it lockdown syndrome, fatigue, mild depression, whatever excuse fits. Anyway the unsurprising net result is weight gain and a massive waistline.

Finally after five months ignoring the problem I am starting to do something about it. Today I'm on a water fast, and I will head back to my trusty 5:2 intermittent fasting which has worked for me in the past, plus a monthly water fast for 36 hours.

Fingers crossed I ought to start seeing results within a couple of months or so.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 15 June, 2021, 07:51:22 am
I managed the not very strict target today, be under 100kg before my birthday, so a stone in 3 months or thereabouts. Though I needed the help of having a poop before the weigh in :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 June, 2021, 08:31:17 am
I managed the not very strict target today, be under 100kg before my birthday, so a stone in 3 months or thereabouts. Though I needed the help of having a poop before the weigh in :)

Many happy returns - not that I want you to vom on your birthday!

I have the same target - 100kg by my birthday.  I’ve got 1kg and 11 days to go but - but at my current rate of weight loss it will be touch and go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 15 June, 2021, 09:02:07 am
Thanks wow.

Here's a helping hint, do weigh in after evacuation as you know as a cyclist all grams count ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 June, 2021, 12:43:03 pm
I weigh myself every morning before and after*.This morning, despite spending 20 minutes solving a Killer Sudoku, I was otherwise unproductive.

*I have yet to ask for a receipt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Beardy on 22 June, 2021, 12:20:09 pm
Day 2 of the 5/2. The weekly grocery order has just arrived and as I’m not the only person in the house, there are some of my favourite processed sugar products in there. I think it might be time for another glass of water!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 June, 2021, 12:36:48 pm
I’ve had something of an epiphany this morning. Being signed up to a fancy food tracking service and tracking your meals doesn’t automatically cause weight loss. I think you’re also supposed to reduce the amount you eat and, well, avoid eating some of the crap  :facepalm:

True that.

I'm trying to get back into the habit of using myfitnesspal. What I find useful about it is not so much the calorie counting but the way it keeps you honest - or at least, it does if you are honest with yourself... and log everything. I'm finding it's making me think twice before just cutting of a slice of cheese to nibble on as I pass the fridge, or scooping a spoonful of peanut butter out of the jar... these bad habits add up very quickly. And then having to enter them into mfp is like doing the walk of shame.

Although, that said, the discipline needed to keep up the logging is perhaps even harder than the discipline needed to resist snacking. I got to the point where it was a habit a few years ago but then I lost it. Still not got to the point where it's part of the routine yet. I can't afford Noom.

Cutting down how much I eat is the only way I'm going to get back anywhere near the weight I want to be. I'm not particularly fussing about what I eat, but I am trying to reduce portions of carbs - and even going without a carb element in some meals (ie leaving out the rice, potatoes or pasta). Sunday night, I had steak with a big pile of broad beans. Simple but delicious and filling. Would have loved a side order of chips but have to remind myself I didn't need it.

It's tough.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 June, 2021, 03:03:37 pm
I can't stand MyFitnessPal and it's calorie counting obsessive ways.
I just found it fundamentally depressing to see my supposed 1600kcal input vs supposed 2500kcal output result in no weight loss at all.

I think I'm going to have 'a weight problem' my whole life. I don't think counting calories is the way to solve it.

Noom advertises itself as working on your psychology- but the thing you have to do? Log calories.

Surely it's more important to look at why you(one/I) eat what you eat and when you eat it, rather than just measuring inputs.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 22 June, 2021, 03:59:52 pm
I can't afford Noom.
Just on this point - I signed up for the free two week trial last year, decided it wasn't for me and cancelled, they then bombarded me with offers till I unsubscribed.  I can't remember what the best was, at least 80% off a years subscription.  I'd already decided it wasn't for me at any price.

I'm calorie counting on and off, and the weight is fluctuating accordingly.  2kg up, 2kg down... I think I'm going to have to settle for that, basically dieting alternate months.  For the calorie counting I'm using nutracheck, I don't have the experience to compare with the others, but this one is UK based and simple enough via app or website.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 22 June, 2021, 04:17:13 pm
I can't stand MyFitnessPal and it's calorie counting obsessive ways.

Tbh, I don't pay much attention to the numbers. They're usually wildly inaccurate anyway. I only look at them for a broad brush picture, but don't let it worry me if I'm 500 calories over one day, or even more.

Quite understand what you're saying about the calories in vs calories out being demoralising though. And it's the kind of thing that could be seen as encouraging eating disorders.

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Surely it's more important to look at why you(one/I) eat what you eat and when you eat it, rather than just measuring inputs.

It is very much for this reason that I use mfp - as a way of monitoring what I am eating, and when, and holding myself to account for it. Also for keeping a record of weight etc.

The killer for me is those fridge-dipping moments throughout the day. I'm just trying to be honest with myself about my bad eating habits, and logging them is a way of acknowledging them. Having it in my mind that I have to log that piece of cheese I'm nibbling on makes me think twice about cutting it off the block.

Also I tend to lose track quite easily of how many treats I've had, so logging them helps me keep count. A reminder that I had a Cornetto I had at lunchtime helps me decide at teatime that maybe I shouldn't have that iced bun as well... the number of calories in a Cornetto or an iced bun is not important, it's overall number of treats per day I'm trying to control.

Glad to have my suspicions confirmed about Noom. I won't be signing up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 22 June, 2021, 05:06:48 pm
A lot of meals you eat, you don't enjoy.

One of the things I remember as kid was being told to finish food, and not enjoying a lot of food. Somehow in becoming an adult, finishing food hasn't been a problem, and when I get to choose what I eat, I eat too much and too quickly.

I can maintain a steady weight, but it's with a higher than recommended level of fat. If I try to shift that fat through diet, after I'm off the diet, my body puts the fat back, and then my weight is steady again. It's maintaining a steady weight coupled with a reasonable amount of fat that's the hard bit for us tubbies.

Eating through boredom is a big thing for me, also most meals in the day are eating through habit rather than hunger. I've got to do some work to reset all this (mainly fasting) and it should reset the level of fat that my body thinks it needs, but my wife is worried about giving my daughter bad ideas about food, so I'm banned from fasting and dieting for a bit, and so we are all still eating meals together as a family.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 June, 2021, 09:12:35 am
At the start of the year I set a target of 100kg by 31/12/21. I achieved it today, less than half way through the year. I have set myself a new target of 90kg by 31/12/21.

I don’t think I have weighed less than 16 stones in the past 30 years. In this current spell of weight loss, which I started in early July last year, I have now lost just over ½ cwt, or 25 of your new-fangled kilograms ;).

I’m feeling just slightly smug this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: De Sisti on 24 June, 2021, 10:18:32 am
At the start of the year I set a target of 100kg by 31/12/21. I achieved it today, exactly half way through the year. I have set myself a new target of 90kg by 31/12/21.

I don’t think I have weighed less than 16 stones in the past 30 years. In this current spell of weight loss, which I started in early July last year, I have now lost just over ½ cwt, or 25 of your new-fangled kilograms ;) .

I’m feeling just slightly smug this morning.
Did your GP advise you to lose weight (after consulting their bmi charts)?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 June, 2021, 10:47:12 am
At the start of the year I set a target of 100kg by 31/12/21. I achieved it today, exactly half way through the year. I have set myself a new target of 90kg by 31/12/21.

I don’t think I have weighed less than 16 stones in the past 30 years. In this current spell of weight loss, which I started in early July last year, I have now lost just over ½ cwt, or 25 of your new-fangled kilograms ;) .

I’m feeling just slightly smug this morning.
Did your GP advise you to lose weight (after consulting their bmi charts)?

My GP has been encouraging me to lose weight for years. I'm still obese according to BMI.

The trigger for this was two events happening pretty much simultaneously: me being diagnosed with atrial fibrillation in early July 2020, and my son moving out at about the same time. This latter enabled me to take complete control of the shopping. My philosophy is very much that if you don't buy it, you can't eat it.

I took some very good advice from Sgt. Pluck otp and also from my daughter: she's not medically qualified, but works in health care at a high managerial level. She suggested joining Noom. I did, and, as I have mentioned above, I found it very good, despite the strong USAnian slant. Judging from the comments above, I must have landed a pretty good deal as I paid £139 for 8 months' worth. My term with them ran out on 17th April, but in that period I had changed my "relationship with food" (I hate that expression!) to the extent that I have lost a further 5kg since I left Noom. If I had renewed, it would have cost £40 a month. That's ridiculous. But - their schtick is that they will change your habits and to me the test is whether you can maintain those newly-established habits without the daily input from them. At the moment, I am doing.

I think lockdown has helped. It didn't at first as eating and drinking were two of the few pleasures left. But I've come to realise that I quite enjoy the simplicity, even though the days are very repetitive.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on 24 June, 2021, 01:46:09 pm
Well done, Wow!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 July, 2021, 09:14:50 am
Thanks!

I was delving in the archaeological site which is known as "My Wardrobe" yesterday afternoon - it was so warm I felt much more comfortable sitting around the house in the buff but was looking for something to wear on a walk in the park - and found a couple of shirts I hadn't worn for some time because they were too tight. They are now generously proportioned! I also found a shirt which Jan and I used to laugh about it was so impossibly small on my obese torso: it was my standard issue shirt when I officiated at the World Chess Championship at the Park Lane Hotel in 1986 and has the date and FIDE logo stamped on the pocket. It is now easily big enough, but seems to have shrunk vertically, as it were. I don't think there's enough to tuck into trousers.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 21 July, 2021, 03:31:34 pm
[OT] but...
You might find that ironing a shirt increases its dimensions.
(Awful suggestion in this weather, apologies!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ravenbait on 21 July, 2021, 04:29:54 pm
I have mentioned, somewhere in this thread, that one of the factors causing the increase in weight of the population as a whole is that our built environment is a lot warmer than it used to be. Double glazing, central heating and insulated houses all help.
Yesterday I had a concrete example of this. MrsC and I were manning a voting station in our village hall and, due to Covid, we had to have two doors open all the time. The station is open 7.00-22.00, so cold at both ends of the day and being a village hall--they have their own laws of thermodynamics--it was colder inside than out even when the day was at its best.
For a normal working day, if I don't go for a run, I very rarely hit my 'move' calorie target on my Apple Watch. I find it fairly easy to get the 30 minutes of 'exercise' in though. Yesterday I was well over the calories, but the exercise score was only 17 minutes. The only real difference between yesterday and a normal work day (apart from the hours thank $DEITY) was the temperature.

How on Earth does your watch measure your calorie expenditure if not by movement? Or could it tell you were shivering?

A combination of ill health, injury and lockdown has meant I'm the heaviest I've ever been right now. But I'm also now very aware of my obsessive tendencies, and that I have to be careful not to stray into anorexia or orthorexia. So I am collecting Garmin badges and have built myself a nice spreadsheet with some fancy statistics so I don't get depressed by day-to-day variation. It seems to be working. Slowly. Slowly is good.

Sam
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Clare on 21 July, 2021, 05:22:16 pm
Heartrate? If it was cold maybe his heart was faster to get the warm around the body.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 21 July, 2021, 05:26:50 pm
I have no idea how it worked, but that was the result.
I've just checked the heart rate log and that shows nothing unusual.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Clare on 21 July, 2021, 05:33:19 pm
Were you standing up a lot? My Fitbit doubles the calories used when I am standing up compared to when I am either sitting or lying down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 21 July, 2021, 05:48:19 pm
I was probably standing up rather more than usual. We were very quiet for most of the day and I wasn't, for once, latched to a computer screen.
I may have been shivering as well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 22 July, 2021, 07:33:54 am
They calculate calorie consumption with an algorithm which includes heart rate and the accelerometer and barometric altimeter readings.
So higher heart rate and changing atmospheric pressure will lead to increased calculated calorie burn.
No 'smart' watch measures exactly what's happening, it's always an inference.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 23 July, 2021, 08:27:29 pm
When my mother went into hospital on the Easter Monday bank holiday I was approaching 100Kg.  I did not feel fat although obviously I was.  My mum died in June.  Since Easter I have been eating basically the same stuff but less of it. I characterised my new sustainable, I think,  eating pattern as mum fed me what I wanted, I feed myself what I need. Now I am 84.2Kg my clothes are loose I am down one belt size. I am still a long way from my 75Kg target.  Oddly although I am objectively better I feel fat now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 July, 2021, 09:26:06 pm
Sorry to read about your mother!

You are about ⅔ of the way there on your weight loss journey, which is pretty amazing.

Keep going but don't weigh yourself too often!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 July, 2021, 10:45:25 pm
I'm quite interested in the recommended frequency of weighing oneself. Noom was definitely into a daily weigh-in in the first instance. I think as I had been using the app for somewhere near 6 months, they started to lighten up.

I still weigh myself every day. It's just part of the routine now. I don't count calories any more. But I know what I've eaten because every day is just a minor variation on a theme. The best analogy I can think of was that when I was a regular bridge player, I learned to assess a hand by counting points. Then my pal Mel, my most regular partner, picked up a copy of Eli Culbertson's book (or one of them) in which he assessed a hand by counting the "quick tricks". Food-wise, I do that now. Much more "broad brush" but just as useful.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 28 July, 2021, 10:49:22 pm
I don't know if it really matters.
Take a look a my charts from 2012 and 2013...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on 28 July, 2021, 10:50:16 pm
I'm weighing myself every morning when I do my peak flow reading (I found morning weight was less noisy than evening weight, which changes a lot depending on whether I've been cycling that day).  I've written some code so I can punch the readings into a spare TV remote in the bathroom, they get written to appropriate CSV files and I can immediately forget about them.

Since I'm not trying to gain or lose weight, I'd otherwise get out of the habit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 28 July, 2021, 11:23:27 pm
I'm quite interested in the recommended frequency of weighing oneself. Noom was definitely into a daily weigh-in in the first instance. I think as I had been using the app for somewhere near 6 months, they started to lighten up.
I don't know it matters, whatever works for you.  I dislike the weekly, or less frequent, weigh in, there's too many variables, enough to cause panic.  I weigh myself every morning, I'm not concerned by the daily fluctuations, just the trend, I'll sometimes work out the weekly average though haven't bothered for a couple of months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 July, 2021, 11:36:42 pm
There was a time when I weighed myself daily, bunged the results in a spreadsheet, and only bothered about the cell in which the weekly average was calculated. I reckond that "noise" cancelled itslef out then and I had a set of electronic scales which did give a great deal of variation. I now use some expensive (£70-ish quid IIRC) Salter mechanical scales which hardly vary at all when I step off them and step back on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 29 July, 2021, 08:36:05 am
I weigh myself every day, but I don't wear my glasses when I do it. We1 have WiFi scales so I have to make an effort to find out what they said. I only have to see well enough to let it know it's the snowflake not the whale if our weights are close and it gets confused. I'm not sure I'd agree morning weight is less noisy, I get fluctuations of more than a kilo from one day to the next.

1: I would never have wasted money on something that saves approx 10 seconds a day of typing nn.n; but Mr Smith bought them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ravenbait on 29 July, 2021, 09:53:23 am
I weigh myself every morning and don't look at the numbers until I'm transposing them from Garmin Connect into my spreadsheet that has exponential mean and moving average charts. If I don't make it a daily habit, I'll stop doing it all together. Been there, done that.

(Thanks for the reminder to do my peak flow, Kim. I'm hopeless at remembering that, too.)

Sam
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 29 July, 2021, 10:36:38 am
I used to weigh myself a few times a day to see how much food add and a poop takes off, though now got bored.

Now I weigh me and the mutt every 2-3 weeks, as long as the mutt is stable and not over 17kg and I keep going down* and not above 100kg, I am happy.

* Well only down to 92-95kg ish.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 29 July, 2021, 04:30:52 pm
When I am concerned about my weight I will do weigh myself everyday just before bedtime.  I find that is the most stable as it is several hours since food intake.  For me the daily bowel evacuation makes morning weights fluctuate.

We use an iPhone app called "weight diary" which tracks weight, fat % and BMI.  The weight graph gives a real time graph and then a trend line so that sudden drops in weight, whilst pleasant, do not lead to overconfidence.

Last summer we both lost over 2 stone on a keto 800cal diet.  I went from 13st 13lbs down to 11st1.  This crept back upto about 11st9 over the winter and we have restarted with an aim to get down to 10st 11 as a target weight.  That should see me at my lowest weight since graduating, getting married and working 120 hour weeks.

Whilst the 800C diet is hard the weight reduction is excellent.  I found over the winter that as my weight hit 11st9 that my upper abdomen started to feel tight and I would be more careful for a couple of weeks to bring it down to 11st7 again.  It will be interesting to see if something similar happens at a lower point.  We have both had to completely change our wardrobes and I have gone down a size in almost all types of clothing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 August, 2021, 02:02:22 pm
I'm in the doldrums at the moment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 24 September, 2021, 12:01:26 pm
For what BMI is worth, I'm one poop away from being at "healthy weight" ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 September, 2021, 02:00:33 pm
Well done woolly!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 24 September, 2021, 03:08:11 pm
Ta, I'm quite chuffed too. Cause back in Feb I was a poop or two into the obese part of BMI.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 24 September, 2021, 03:51:12 pm
BMI is particularly harsh on tall people too (if you accept BMI's use anyway) so you've done very well!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 September, 2021, 02:06:21 pm
Still doldrummy here: I've been 97kg or thereabouts since late July. However, I ordered a new pair of swimming trunks and decided to be adventurous and get 38" waist. The silly sods sent me 36" waist. However, they fit over my somewhat less massive arse, even though the residual beer belly still overhangs a fair bit. So I've decided to keep them in a spirit of optimism.

In the same vein, I have a pair of Altura shorts I bought when I first got back into cycling 15 years ago. I think their first outing was on the Golden Tints of 2006. I now call them my "gambler's shorts" because it's a gamble whether they stay up or not when I walk about in them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: crowriver on 30 September, 2021, 12:10:10 pm
Just over a month into 16/8 intermittent fasting. So far, so good - it does seem to produce results if you stick to it. Despite being every day, I'm finding it psychologically easier than 5:2 was. I used the latter regime with some success over the past decade, but this year just couldn't stick to it. 16/8 seems like the "secret formula" for me, at least for now.

We'll see how I've got on after another couple of months...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 03 October, 2021, 01:32:51 pm
I am pleased to find that I am below 80kg for the first time in a very long time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 November, 2021, 02:23:00 pm
I have been gaining weight over the past couple of weeks. Last week was a bit of a surprise, this week not so much: Jan and I spent a weekend in Derbyshire with her sisters. Whereas my self-control seems to work OK when I'm at home, and therefore in charge of what comes into the house, both sisters and b-i-l brought with them cake and booze. I partook of both. I got plenty of exercise, involving hilly bike rides and walks, but clearly not enough to keep things under control.

Next week, we are planning to stay with pals in Lincs. Enid, one of the pals, has had weight problems all her life, but has been keeping them under control with Slimming World, and has done pretty well. I think we ought to have a little confab before we go so that she doesn't revert to type: her means of being a hostess is to fill everyone's plate to overflowing with all sorts of lovely stuff she's cooked. I suspect she will feel guilty if she doesn't.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 17 November, 2021, 02:51:23 pm
Fatbit sent me a message congratulating me on losing 15kg. I know it was a lot more.  I am now 75kg or a BMI of 25. That was my target I might lose focus now.

I thought of a new target I want to reduce my measured waist measurement a little.  It would be nice to use 32" trousers.  I am currently 89cm (35"). If I can get to 84cm (33") I will probably be there.  I think I can do this by exercise. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 November, 2021, 04:47:05 am
I have seen virtually no change now in 3 months. However, this week I will gain weight. Jan and I have been staying with our old college pal Enid since Tuesday. Despite having a discussion about food before we got here, Enid is the most wonderful host and she demonstrates this with her culinary skills. My will power has just melted away in the face of the beautiful food she has put in front of us so I shall be quite surprised if I haven’t put on a couple of kgs when I weigh myself next Wednesday. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog. on 27 November, 2021, 01:04:33 pm
Down 2.5kg in 11 days.  Right direction at last.  Due to 'elf reasons my Physical exercise is near to Zero, hoping that I can improve on this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 December, 2021, 10:41:17 am
97kg. Could have been worse - and was when we came back on Sunday!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 02 December, 2021, 03:51:30 am
2 months of constant overtime and associated take-outs has left it's mark and I put on at least 4 kgs in the last 6 weeks. Peaked at 94kgs.
I'm now gainfully unemployed for the next 2 months and  while my borked knee will hinder the exercise somewhat, there's no excuse not getting back on track with the diet, minus a couple of Xmas interruptions....but even those can be kept to a minimum.  Down to 92.4 already (just stopping stuffing myself with carbs was a good start) and 87kgs for Jan 24 is the goal. Hard, but doable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 06 December, 2021, 10:21:06 am
I've gone off the diet this month, because Peli and I got me some Danish treats and want to live a little :)

I have noticed that when eating more sugar and carbs than normal, I'm HUNGRY all the time.

On my normal diet, which is heavily cut down on the sugar, reduced carbs and overall more protein. I have 3 well spread out meals doing the day. Really don't have any need for snacking. Yes I do a bit now and again on mixed nuts, cause I'm addicted. Like breakfast eat around 7am last easy to 1-2pm, before I feel the need for more fuel.

But now my head is in the fridge or cupboard looking for the next meal, while holding a bit to eat. Breakfast only last to about 10am now, I have lunch at noon and then tea at about 3-4pm and can just about get past 6pm before I look for more and there is an evening snack too on the daily feasting. And if I'm awake at midnight I really struggle with not nibbling on something.

Kinda look forward to when I have finished all my treats, so I can get off this sugar spike again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 09 December, 2021, 03:48:25 am

I have noticed that when eating more sugar and carbs than normal, I'm HUNGRY all the time.


This.. totally this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 January, 2022, 10:57:10 pm
Well, further socialising and Christmas food has brought about a 5kg weight gain since early November. I'm 100kg again.

However, I'm implementing the No Booze, No Cake and Only 2 Slices of Bread a Day diet and I'm hoping that things will turn round. I still have a small amount of Christmas cheese to get through and I'm not chucking that out.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 02 January, 2022, 11:14:53 pm
I'll wager Wow's weight will be around 97kg on Wednesday 19 January...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2022, 10:34:18 am
I'll wager Wow's weight will be around 97kg on Wednesday 19 January...

I'll try!  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 03 January, 2022, 12:44:38 pm
Just remember weight yourself in the am before breakfast and after visit to the WC. That's when I see the biggest gains ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2022, 03:53:45 pm
Just remember weight yourself in the am before breakfast and after visit to the WC. That's when I see the biggest gains ;)

Or losses, surely?

Are there any other tips you'd like to pass on, no matter how small!? ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 January, 2022, 04:24:12 pm
I'll wager Wow's weight will be around 97kg on Wednesday 19 January...
I'll try!  :P

Point is, you don't need to try very hard.

Festive high-carb temporary weight gain drops off PDQ as soon as 'sensible' low carb, low-energy eating resumes.

I have posted similar, in January, in many years...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on 03 January, 2022, 06:50:28 pm
First weigh in after xmas month+ of pigging out, there is now 4kgs extra of me !!

Boy Danish goodies does contain a fair amount of sugar

This year I promise only to pig out for a week only, not for a full month and a bit. But only way to guarantee your goodies arrive and there is some in stock is to order early ... dilemma ...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2022, 12:17:03 pm
I mistakenly thought today was Wednesday until about midday, when I realised my mistake in recording my weight this morning. However, I will not be at home when I get up tomorrow so it can stay there, unless Thursday morning brings about a more favourable result.  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on 04 January, 2022, 01:13:41 pm
I'm going to be tackling weight loss with renewed vigour this year. Concentrating on LCHF, adequate sleep, combined with intermittent fasting. I think I understand how/why I put on weight, now to see if the theories (that I currently believe) on how to lose it, work.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 04 January, 2022, 01:22:21 pm
That was my plan too, gerald, but I'm so thoroughly demoralised by my inability to walk pain-free I'll probably end up in December as one of those fat people on a mobility scooter where you wonder if they're fat because they're immobile, or immobile because they're fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 04 January, 2022, 02:03:41 pm
I reached my target back in September and have now got to the right sort of food level where I maintain that weight - with of course the daily ups and downs that affect it. I seem to bounce about within about a 1kg range, so from 68.8 to 69.8. My magic line is 70kg - if I hit that one day then I need to reduce a bit more for a few days. Survived Christmas fairly well and enjoyed some unusual treats like stuffing, bread sauce and trifle but now back to the low carb and intermittent fasting.

It seems that for my psychology I need to continue tracking food on the Yazio app. The two days when I decided not to track food I definitely ate more - I think for my personality I'm going to have to continue with the food tracking, at least for a while. It's OK, it doesn't take long and I have all my foods in the app now, but it shows that my self-control isn't great when eating what I want.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DuncanM on 04 January, 2022, 07:33:15 pm
I'm going to be paying attention to what I eat as soon as I've finished the 850g (boo - they used to be 1kg) bar of Dairy Milk I got for Christmas.
I only started logging in 2018, but I'm 1.5kg heavier than I've ever logged before. I suspect the only time I've been close to this weight was a few months after I was first diagnosed hyperthyroid.
Hopefully, being able to ride pain-free will help with the weight...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 04 January, 2022, 08:39:02 pm
Hyperthyroid - too much thyroid activity or Hypothyroid- too little?

Hyperthyroid folk are often underweight.

I think Woolworth's sold even bigger bars of Cadbury's Dairy Milk in the past 2kg or 3kg BICBW…

ETA Amazon are apparently selling 10kg bars of CDM, measuring 6 x22 x 14cm.

Either the dimensions are wrong or the chocolate is unfeasibly dense...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2022, 10:45:13 pm
I expect Bezos has found a source of depleted uranium to bulk it out.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 05 January, 2022, 04:05:44 am
First weigh in after xmas month+ of pigging out, there is now 4kgs extra of me !!

Boy Danish goodies does contain a fair amount of sugar

This year I promise only to pig out for a week only, not for a full month and a bit. But only way to guarantee your goodies arrive and there is some in stock is to order early ... dilemma ...

I have no idea what you're talking about....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 05 January, 2022, 03:50:24 pm
I am surprised to find after a little indulgence my weight had jumped to 77.2 Kg as expected.  I have not finished Christmas, booze, booze and more booze. The surprise for me was that it is already back down to 74.3Kg.  As I mentioned before the average 1980s healthy weight according to BMI bands. 

A question. I have a Little Plum belly. It is within the line of my chest and my sides are concave.  Am I still fat? I know I am not heavy but that is not  the same thing. My best adult shape has always been one of the tribe.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 05 January, 2022, 03:52:01 pm
I am surprised to find after a little indulgence my weight had jumped to 77.2 Kg as expected.  I have not finished Christmas, booze, booze and more booze. The surprise for me was that it is already back down to 24.3Kg.

Wow, thats good hooch!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 05 January, 2022, 03:54:10 pm
A Mistype I would be seriously unwell and the uncorrected weight of 24.3Kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 January, 2022, 06:20:37 pm
A little plum belly would suggest visceral fat to me and that this ought to be reduced, even if your weight/BMI are OK.

You might only need to do a bit more walking and a bit less eating over the next few weeks to achieve this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 January, 2022, 06:52:35 am
I'll wager Wow's weight will be around 97kg on Wednesday 19 January...

I was a week early! :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DuncanM on 12 January, 2022, 08:38:08 am
Hyperthyroid - too much thyroid activity or Hypothyroid- too little?

Hyperthyroid folk are often underweight.

I was hyperthyroid, which meant I was 10 stone despite eating everything I could get my hands on. Then I was diagnosed and given carbimazole to sort it out, and put on 3 stone in not many months!
Currently 82.4kg, which is a feather under 13 stone. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2022, 02:57:35 pm
I'll wager Wow's weight will be around 97kg on Wednesday 19 January...
I was a week early! :D

Well done!

Festive gain dissipates pretty rapidly as you, Commute Too Far and many others have seen.

I post this most years.

I am the Old Woman who Repeats Herself...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 February, 2022, 09:02:16 am
Hmm… I seem to have gained some weight. I don’t suppose that this could possibly be linked to a recent tendency to consume oatcakes with good cheddar cheese in the evening…
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 11 February, 2022, 04:16:48 pm
Salt, carbs and fat :- what's not to lose????
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 February, 2022, 09:47:05 pm
Salt, carbs and fat :- what's not to lose????

Indeed. Have decided to curtail that particular evening activity!  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 24 February, 2022, 12:25:54 am
Steady diet, steady weight loss, decent amount of exercise and then a 1 kg bump?. I don't get it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 08 May, 2022, 12:08:12 pm
I have seen a few pictures of me in the past few months I look fat.  I do not look wide but I do look fat in these pictures.  I have noticed that I look better without clothes. (No pictures). When I wear clothes they create a look that is not really there.

At the moment I measured my waist as 34 inches so with vanity sizing I am buying 32" trousers. I now measure 33" and I will have to wear a belt to hold my trousers up which are starting to slip.

I have set myself a new target for my weight of 66kg for the end of year. A bmi of 22. I do not want to ever go lower that is not healthy for me. If I still look fat in clothes, then it might explain why I am unmarried :-)


 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 08 May, 2022, 06:12:43 pm
I was making reasonable progress on losing weight (or so I thought), despite the after-effects of a dislocated shoulder limiting some activities. However, I was noticing that my clothes were inexplicably not getting looser. Yesterday morning, my posh scales reported - Oh Joy! - a 6kg loss since the previous weight check not a week earlier. Even I could see that this was an unlikely result, so I checked using my reserve, very cheap, scales. They suggested that, far from losing weight, I'd put on around 4kg since February - in other words, about 10kg more than the posh scales reported. Being somewhat sceptical, I spent this month's disposable income on a new version of my posh scales, which arrived this afternoon. A three-way comparison had the new posh scales and the cheap rubbish scales within 0.1kg of each other, and the old posh scales reading 9.4kg less. Bugger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2022, 07:23:19 pm
I have posted upthread and elsewhere that a tape measure provides cheap and reliable data...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 09 May, 2022, 05:01:34 am
Indeed, Helly. I think the point of my post was that I have willingly grasped at what (in hindsight) was faulty data in a fit of self-delusion, encouraging me to indulge in quite a lot of extra grub that wasn’t justified!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2022, 02:17:48 pm
Good point, well made!

Clothing fit is pretty useful if you're a skinflint/ecofreak who keeps old clothes.

Elastic waistbands aren't too helpful...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 June, 2022, 07:28:09 pm
I've lost the plot rather in recent weeks because of some rather brutal bits of Real Life that have come my way. But hopefully have now turned a corner and will be back on the straight & narrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 06 August, 2022, 07:59:49 pm
I thought I had hit a plateau and was not going to lose any more weight.

Yesterday I finally dropped below 70Kg (11 Stone) for the first time in many years.
Then I measured my waist 76cm. My first reaction was it gone up but I was confused.  For weeks it had been 84cm  (33"). 86cm would have been more but 76cm (30") is obviously less.

My remaining belly has disappeared and unless I try to compress my stomach nothing overhangs my belt.

I am content. My end target for this year and beyond of 64kg seems a little silly now.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 05 October, 2022, 07:20:03 pm
Well I am truly off the wagon and am closer to 80kg than the 72kg I would like to be.  Real life sucks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: finch on 13 October, 2022, 12:42:49 pm
I weighed myself about a year or eighteen months ago , I had been “off the bike” for some time and had gotten quite a belly and a double chin , it just kind of crept up on me till one day I was surprised to see it. I was 110kg - at 6’1” I’m usually a svelte 90kg.

So I’ve got off the fat coke and now only do the zero or fizzy water and diluting sugar free stuff , no breakfast , no lunch , eat in a 3-4 hour window between say 6-9pm usually just my dinner and a telly snack

I’m back to doing 40-50 miles a week at about 15mph , been at this for probably 4-5 months , very few blips.
I’m noticeably thinner , fitting into most of my clothes again and my belly has shrunk - visibly. However I…

Haven’t lost any weight according to the scales and seem to have plateaued for the past 6 weeks - lowest I’ve seen on the scales is 107kg and I don’t “look” fat but I’m just like some weird opposite of that Stephen King story elevation , I’m getting thinner and fitter again but I’m not getting any lighter

Just want to get near my weight where I can at least appear outwardly to “cope” with hills on the bike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JennyB on 03 November, 2022, 02:07:25 pm
Was doing OK, but now I'm self-isolating with COVID and the neighbours keep bringing more food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 03 November, 2022, 03:22:40 pm
We have joined the Zoe BigIF trial of intermittent fasting which may be having some effect.  Interesting study anyway
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 November, 2022, 06:46:09 pm
I watch with interest.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andy W on 30 December, 2022, 06:53:40 pm
Id like to lose weight. 20 lbs over 6 months or even 8 months. At 6' 1" and relatively light frame, my weight is currently 13 stone 3 lbs. Ill be 62 in 1 week.
Several reasons for wanting weight loss ( only bodyfat if possible) are as follows.
1. Quite strong genetic predisposition to T2 diabetes on maternal side, none on paternal side. Mum one of6 siblings all had heart attacks, all survived and had heart bypasses. They didnt look fat but as i remember they were all thick round the middle with thin arms and legs.
2.Back in mid 80s i weighed 11 stone 2lb and was a distance runner 1:21 for aHM. Im not trying to be that fast or that weight again but getting to 11 stone 10 lb ought to be attainable.
I can still run and cycle fairly well but before i get properly old id like to get in good shape.
Ive never attempted to lose weight so im entering a new territory. Have any forum members been very sensible for a period of 6 months plus and lost around 20 lb. Bear in mind im 6'1". If ive posted on the wrong thread i apologise, but i dont know where else that has sensible people as per this forum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 30 December, 2022, 07:20:04 pm
Id like to lose weight. 20 lbs over 6 months or even 8 months. At 6' 1" and relatively light frame, my weight is currently 13 stone 3 lbs. Ill be 62 in 1 week.
Several reasons for wanting weight loss ( only bodyfat if possible) are as follows.
1. Quite strong genetic predisposition to T2 diabetes on maternal side, none on paternal side. Mum one of6 siblings all had heart attacks, all survived and had heart bypasses. They didnt look fat but as i remember they were all thick round the middle with thin arms and legs.
2.Back in mid 80s i weighed 11 stone 2lb and was a distance runner 1:21 for aHM. Im not trying to be that fast or that weight again but getting to 11 stone 10 lb ought to be attainable.
I can still run and cycle fairly well but before i get properly old id like to get in good shape.
Ive never attempted to lose weight so im entering a new territory. Have any forum members been very sensible for a period of 6 months plus and lost around 20 lb. Bear in mind im 6'1". If ive posted on the wrong thread i apologise, but i dont know where else that has sensible people as per this forum.

Andy, you sound like a 5 years older me - currently 13st 7lbs. Used to race, running, at between 11st 2 and 4lbs. 15 minutes for 5k.

I got down to just over 12st a couple of years ago without too much effort to be honest - intermittent fasting by only eating in the evening most days and making sure I was exercising. I’m back up due to injury really.

I’ve promised to get down to 75kgs - just under 12st - this year. I’m aiming to maintain exercise - mostly zone 2 on foot and bike and 1 hard session each week all being well. Plus manage eating either by IF or just do it. Minimal booze too, though that’s not such an issue for me once we get rid of people after Christmas!

It’s not easy but is doable with enough motivation and a bit of luck in terms of not getting pushed back. Enough sleep helps too - avoids the tired excess eating.

Mike

Edited to add that I’m also 6’ 1”
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on 03 January, 2023, 07:24:17 am
Have any forum members been very sensible for a period of 6 months plus and lost around 20 lb. Bear in mind im 6'1". If ive posted on the wrong thread i apologise, but i dont know where else that has sensible people as per this forum.

20lbs seems a lot if you're 'only' 185lbs. (if my conversion is correct), but you know you and I don't.

I lost 35lbs over an 8 month period by changing to a keto diet. It could also do a lot to help with your diabetes worries.
It means giving up sugar in virtually all it's forms and while that sounds rough, it's actually not bad once you get used to it.
I put ~ 10-14lbs back on after changing to a not-very-strict low carb diet but now also wants to get rid of another 20lbs again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 03 January, 2023, 07:30:51 am
we decided to do the 800 calorie diabetic diet at the start of lockdown when I was 62 and lost about 2.5 stone.  We have regained about a stone but are restarting this week on an intermittent fasting, ketos-ish diet which we enjoy and basically I need to cut out all chocolate and sweets along with starchy food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 03 January, 2023, 09:49:56 am
I am the heaviest I've ever been, I don't even know what that is, I don't want to know, I have no intention of going near the scales till at least one pair of non elasticated trousers fit!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2023, 12:36:16 pm
I've lost the plot rather in recent weeks because of some rather brutal bits of Real Life that have come my way. But hopefully have now turned a corner and will be back on the straight & narrow.

The plot has been evading me for the past 6 months. Real Life continues to be more brutal than before. I find that if I am to lose weight I really need to divert an awful lot of my attention to it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 03 January, 2023, 02:18:21 pm
Thanks SteveC for setting up 2023s reports- I've been away without a real computer.

I've been referred to our local 'weight and wellbeing' service by my GP- at my request- as there is a hard line on joint replacement surgery. Above a BMI of 40 and the surgical outcomes are significantly affected. I'm perilously close to that.

I've not been thrilled with the program- the advice seems contradictory and dated ('eat to appetite' but 'always have breakfast' and 'never skip meals') and their nutrition plan equally outdated and contradictory ('don't count calories this is about lifestyle change' and also 'you can have a 200 calorie treat'). I'm Their idea of being active is 'include more walking in your day' when I can walk oooo maybe half a mile? Anyway, at every appointment they ask me what my plans are regarding surgery, by which they mean the bariatric surgery which is what everyone else using the service is there for. It's a tokenistic hope for some self driven change before the magic wand of a gastric band. What I went for was the CBT to treat your feelings about food and the food around your feelings. We shall see how well that pans out.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 16 February, 2023, 09:27:47 am
How is everyone getting on?

I've had a hard talk with myself and a thorough look back at the YACF Weight Reports that I have sporadically filled out since 2019. These reports are a great resource/reminder about where I have been weight-wise as I'd never have kept track otherwise.

I've put on 1 stone in four years. This is bad and I've resolved to properly address this.

I find it very hard to lose weight (F, 44, PCOS, v active). Plan is to eat as few carbs as I dare, cut down on beer intake to nights out only and watch portion size). I have no other low hanging fruit as I don't eat crisps / chocolate and fast food is rare.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 February, 2023, 10:25:15 am
Pretty bad. I've put on a lot of weight in the past 18 months, mostly in the last 6. We've had a very stressful time and I comfort-eat. I've also got out of the 11,000 paces per day habit and I'm starting to address that as the weather warms and the days lengthen. I can't see the stress levels receding much for some time though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 February, 2023, 12:47:51 pm
Id like to lose weight. 20 lbs over 6 months or even 8 months.
[stuff]
Have any forum members been very sensible for a period of 6 months plus and lost around 20 lb. Bear in mind im 6'1". If ive posted on the wrong thread i apologise, but i dont know where else that has sensible people as per this forum.

I lost that sort of amount, some ten years ago, over a longer time frame. I've regained about half of this during and since lockdown, enjoying much cake and chocolate…

I'm unable to weigh myself now as I'm too wobbly to stand on scales and only have clothing fit as a measure. - I'm in my 'medium' trousers. I've had these 10 years and the fabric doesn't stretch…

I made a variety of 'rules' about food and eating, mostly at home. Social eating is to be enjoyed in moderation. There are nearly 50 weeks per year that are not holiday, birthday, Christmas or New Year and it's the eating habits for these will govern long-term weight. (Short-term gains at Christmas etc mostly vanish  soon after sensible eating resumes, so long as it does resume.)

Weight loss is something consenting adults do in private. Boring others with your tales is tiresome and replying 'No way!' to an offer of cake strikes me as offensive.

Rules

* All food is to be enjoyed; if you don't like it, don't eat it. Waste of Calories! (For example, savoury pastry is something I personally don't really love.)
* Don't drink sugar.
* Avoid CRAP foods (mostly)
  Carbonated sugary drinks
  Refined carbohydrates
  Artificial foods
  Processed foods
* Limit portion sizes of other foods to around 60% of what you'd like.
* Wait 4 hours between feeds unless exercising.
* Don't eat unless you're hungry.
* Don't get stuffed; it's unpleasant and unhealthy.

Don't obsess/fret over a single weight recording; the issue is a long-term trend.

A tape measure is your friend. If you are consistent with its use, it will repay you with quality information.

Steak, salad and strawberries are fine foods for an omnivore who wants to lose weight...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: sojournermike on 16 February, 2023, 08:02:26 pm
Id like to lose weight. 20 lbs over 6 months or even 8 months.
[stuff]
Have any forum members been very sensible for a period of 6 months plus and lost around 20 lb. Bear in mind im 6'1". If ive posted on the wrong thread i apologise, but i dont know where else that has sensible people as per this forum.

I lost that sort of amount, some ten years ago, over a longer time frame. I've regained about half of this during and since lockdown, enjoying much cake and chocolate…

I'm unable to weigh myself now as I'm too wobbly to stand on scales and only have clothing fit as a measure. - I'm in my 'medium' trousers. I've had these 10 years and the fabric doesn't stretch…

I made a variety of 'rules' about food and eating, mostly at home. Social eating is to be enjoyed in moderation. There are nearly 50 weeks per year that are not holiday, birthday, Christmas or New Year and it's the eating habits for these will govern long-term weight. (Short-term gains at Christmas etc mostly vanish  soon after sensible eating resumes, so long as it does resume.)

Weight loss is something consenting adults do in private. Boring others with your tales is tiresome and replying 'No way!' to an offer of cake strikes me as offensive.

Rules

* All food is to be enjoyed; if you don't like it, don't eat it. Waste of Calories! (For example, savoury pastry is something I personally don't really love.)
* Don't drink sugar.
* Avoid CRAP foods (mostly)
  Carbonated sugary drinks
  Refined carbohydrates
  Artificial foods
  Processed foods
* Limit portion sizes of other foods to around 60% of what you'd like.
* Wait 4 hours between feeds unless exercising.
* Don't eat unless you're hungry.
* Don't get stuffed; it's unpleasant and unhealthy.

Don't obsess/fret over a single weight recording; the issue is a long-term trend.

A tape measure is your friend. If you are consistent with its use, it will repay you with quality information.

Steak, salad and strawberries are fine foods for an omnivore who wants to lose weight...

Everything Helly says is right - not surprised there:)

To AndyW, as encouragement. I’m also 6’ 1” and a few year ago peaked somewhere over 15 stone:( I may have seen 15.5 stone and a bit. I blame the combination of young children and a hard job… I’ve been between 12.5 and just over 13.5 stone for a few years now. Currently at the top end of the range but not growing and knowing what I need to do to come back down.

For me the way to lose weight has been containing amount of food - all Helly’s suggestions above although some weren’t any change - and getting back to exercise as regularly as possible.

To manage food I’ve variously used keto and strict time restricted eating - once a day for a period. Ignore the macro stuff - keto was a very effective way for me to restrict calorific intake as. Just didn’t/couldn’t eat as much. Keto, however, stopped me being able to do the hard sprints bits in my running. I actually quite liked the salad and meat aspect but I struggle with the necessary ignoring of climate impact it entails. I preferred eating once a day and having a run at lunchtime.

I’m not doing that now as, at 57, I know I need resistance training as well and to maintain/gain muscle mass. So I am back to breakfast with some protein. I don’t snack and I don’t alway eat much lunch. I’m trying to eat earlier, but think I must have Spanish ancestry;)

So yes, it can be done. It takes time to reset your bodies ‘natural weight’ and I think aerobic exercise can be helpful there.

The other thing I’m pretty focused on these days is trying to maintain carb processing capability. The science is pretty clear that not being too heavy (for you!) and sustaining regular Z2 exercise is probably the best approach.

I hope that encouraging - I don’t like being at the top of the current range but looking back and in the mirror I’m very different to a few years ago.

Mike
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 16 February, 2023, 08:29:26 pm
If there is any 'naughty' food you particularly enjoy, don't give it up completely; go for quality, not quantity.
A 'special treat' is not really a special treat if you have it every day so leave it for something special.
One of my 'rules' is no more than one pack of 6 mince pies in any festive season. The first mince pie is *lovely* but once you've had a few, it's just 200-250 Calories you don't need.

I am pretty immobile from my MS so can't take any exercise.

I didn't do keto but I made sure my carb portions were small.

I extended the interval between feeds and made sure meals weren't too heavy.

I managed to drop from a BMI of 27 to 22.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 17 February, 2023, 07:58:58 am
As Sojournermike said
Quote
To manage food I’ve variously used keto and strict time restricted eating - once a day for a period. Ignore the macro stuff - keto was a very effective way for me to restrict calorific intake as. Just didn’t/couldn’t eat as much. Keto, however, stopped me being able to do the hard sprints bits in my running. I actually quite liked the salad and meat aspect but I struggle with the necessary ignoring of climate impact it entails. I preferred eating once a day and having a run at lunchtime.

We never managed to start until after our holiday so we have been doing intermittent fasting kept for the last 10 days whilst maintaining my endurance training and weights with a weekly TSS of around 200-240 for the last few weeks.  We have both lost about 6lbs which exactly mirrors the weight loss on the same diet during lockdown 1.

Today however was the first day with sprint intervals at poerzones 5-7.  I could do a minute of zone 5, about 45 seconds of zone 6 but the legs literally refused to do more than about 20 seconds zone 7.  Brilliant reminder of the adaptation needed transitioning to a veto diet and the restriction on anaerobic activity in the adaptation phase.

(I am not recommending the diet to anyone or kept or intermittent fasting, simply giving insight into what has worked for me. If you have disagreements with the 800C diet please take them up with the Professor of diabetics in Newcastle and the NHS)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 17 February, 2023, 09:55:38 am
I have lost 4kg since my surgery on the 28th January.
It's easy not to eat if it makes you feel sick.

As my opiates intake reduces and my boredom increases it will be much more difficult.

I'm trying to stick to one meal a day and two fasted days a month for this year, without self flagellating if I don't meet that.
It will be disappointing in the extreme if having had the knee replacement I still can't do the things I want to do, because I am too fat to enjoy them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul H on 17 February, 2023, 10:42:01 am
I've lost 8.2kg since Christmas. from the heaviest I've ever been 123kg, down to 114.8kg.
That's around where I was two years ago, when I thought I really ought to do something about it.  So, this year so far feels like getting to the start line.
Back into a routine of weighing everything, counting every calorie and logging all exercise.  I've been here before, once the decision is made to do that I don't find it too hard, don't beat myself up about going over, just try and adjust the following week.   The hard bit for me, I know for a lot of people, is what comes after the weight is lost, I'm not confident I have the answer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 17 February, 2023, 10:44:56 am
I agree Paul. In lockdown we lost about 2 stone each but have put a stone back on. We like food and I am probably addicted to chocolate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 February, 2023, 10:55:53 am
Geroge Monbiot wrote an article a while back arguing that obesity is an incurable disease, judging by statistics.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/11/obesity-incurable-disease-cameron-punishing-sufferers

Here's another more recent one by the same author, from a somewhat different standpoint.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/age-of-obesity-shaming-overweight-people
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andrewc on 17 February, 2023, 11:50:33 am
I'm stuck at 107kg and need to do something about it.  Hopefully upcoming retirement will encourage me to get out & become more active.


There has been a lot of stuff in the press recently about drugs intended to treat diabetes being used for weight loss.  Writer Charles Stross lost 20% of his body weight in 20 weeks, but suffered constant low level nausea. https://wandering.shop/@cstross/109581182633674741


 Jeremy Clarkson has also said he's been using them successfully. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/jeremy-clarkson-weight-loss-ozempic-b2263254.html


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/feb/05/new-diabetes-drugs-do-not-tackle-root-causes-of-obesity-experts-warn


I could see the benefit if you'd been told to lose weight prior to surgery for example, but wouldn't fancy having to take such things long term unless medically advised.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on 07 March, 2023, 08:20:04 pm
MrsC has signed up for Slimming World on-line (again).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 08 March, 2023, 07:14:28 am
between last Fri and Mon morn, after dropping MrsC off at the airport, I did this:
4km jog
4km fast walk with dog, followed by 10km brisk paddle (which I've later regretted, as I've strained my left shoulder).
5km fast walk with dog, followed by 2hrs of sawing and hauling wood from a tree/shrub.
Moderate eating, more protein than usual, no snacks.

I put on 0.5kg  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 08 March, 2023, 07:47:34 am
Has anyone signed up to Zoe nutrition programme yet?

Here is a podcast on gut health: https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9e9d2f54-6c10-4112-abe3-c33037058b00/49-5-Best-of-Gut-Health-anniversary-edition-mixed.mp3


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 08 March, 2023, 07:58:32 am
I thought about it but it's really expensive. And I don't think my problem is what I eat, it's how I think and feel about food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CJ on 08 March, 2023, 08:19:29 am
I'm compelled by the idea that my gut health can be understood and I that get to know what food combos help with bloating and pain. I've been on fodmap lite kinda diet and probiotics for some time to keep the bloat at bay. The bonus of Zoe seems to be weight loss and a happier disposition, both of which I could do with.

Along with the money, a lot of learning and effort needs to be thrown into the mix. Or I could save a lot of money and chow down on a variety of fruit and veg and drink lots of water.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 08 March, 2023, 08:29:08 am
I signed up for the cgm and the gut microbe assessment and blood tests. Still in my 2 weeks which I have not been to strict about as I pretty much know what spikes my blood sugar already.
I think there is a lot of learning to do with it about foods.

Currently on the 800calorie diet which works well for us.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 March, 2023, 03:15:51 pm
between last Fri and Mon morn, after dropping MrsC off at the airport, I did this:
4km jog
4km fast walk with dog, followed by 10km brisk paddle (which I've later regretted, as I've strained my left shoulder).
5km fast walk with dog, followed by 2hrs of sawing and hauling wood from a tree/shrub.
Moderate eating, more protein than usual, no snacks.
I put on 0.5kg  :facepalm:

And that is what happens when you exercise, the muscles swell swell, water shifts etc.

A tape measure will reassure you you are no fatter.

Frequent weighing can make you fret...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 12 March, 2023, 01:47:47 pm
I'm stuck at 107kg and need to do something about it.  Hopefully upcoming retirement will encourage me to get out & become more active.


There has been a lot of stuff in the press recently about drugs intended to treat diabetes being used for weight loss.  Writer Charles Stross lost 20% of his body weight in 20 weeks, but suffered constant low level nausea. https://wandering.shop/@cstross/109581182633674741


 Jeremy Clarkson has also said he's been using them successfully. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/jeremy-clarkson-weight-loss-ozempic-b2263254.html


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/feb/05/new-diabetes-drugs-do-not-tackle-root-causes-of-obesity-experts-warn


I could see the benefit if you'd been told to lose weight prior to surgery for example, but wouldn't fancy having to take such things long term unless medically advised.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/mar/12/revealed-experts-who-praised-new-skinny-jab-received-payments-from-drug-maker

Quote
As part of its strategy, Novo Nordisk paid £21.7m to health organisations and professionals who in some cases went on to praise the treatment without always making clear their links to the firm, an Observer investigation has found.

Among the vocal champions of the Wegovy jabs was a clinical expert who gave evidence to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) and others who publicly praised the so-called “skinny jabs” as a “gamechanger”.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 15 March, 2023, 07:20:22 am
between last Fri and Mon morn, after dropping MrsC off at the airport, I did this:
4km jog
4km fast walk with dog, followed by 10km brisk paddle (which I've later regretted, as I've strained my left shoulder).
5km fast walk with dog, followed by 2hrs of sawing and hauling wood from a tree/shrub.
Moderate eating, more protein than usual, no snacks.
I put on 0.5kg  :facepalm:

And that is what happens when you exercise, the muscles swell swell, water shifts etc.

A tape measure will reassure you you are no fatter.

Frequent weighing can make you fret...
Weight down by a could of hundred grams, i.e. no change.

Body fat is dropping though. I have some Renpho scales that purport to measure this.
If that isn't a one-off, then I'm moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 07 January, 2024, 11:01:44 am
Well another year older, another attempt to reduce my weight. I’m 5’ 10” and 14st 4lb. In my early 30’s (some 35 years ago) I was 10st 7lb. Then I got married, and my weight started to increase. Probably coincidence!  Anyway something along the 12st 7lb mark would be fantastic. Trouble is one of the most effective ways to lose weight I’ve found is reduce carbs, but that’s hard in winter when having a salad. I need (FCVO need obvs) something warm in my meal. I’m not cycling anymore - since lockdown the roads seem to e busy all the time and I don’t enjoy it - so I’ve rejoined the local posh-ish gym at Halton tennis club. First visit in 4 years later today. I’ll start (now I’ve managed to reset and update them) using my Garmin scales again to track how I’m doing. Still running down the  seasonal stocks - Christmas cake and wine - but that should all be gone by early Feb, then it’ll be down to willpower. Yikes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 January, 2024, 01:17:26 pm
Good luck!
I found losing weight and cutting carbs much, much easier after stopping cycling.
I’ve gained some bulk during lockdown but really enjoyed the cakes and goodies. I’m too wobbly to step on scales at all but found out by accident I could still fit into my ‘smallest’ trousers last week, so I can’t be too ginormous!

Suggest you try to increase intervals between feeds and are VERY rigorous with carb portion sizes, fairly sensible about protein potion sizes and accept that there will be times when you’re a bit hungry.

You might enjoy soups over the winter and they’re not usually too high in carbs.

Learn the difference between bored, peckish, hungry and ravenous and only eat for the last two.

If you crave a ‘naughty’ dessert after a meal, wait half an hour before you consider indulging. You might not crave it the same way once you’re absorbing the ‘sensible foods’.

Weight loss and maintenance is a long game...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 07 January, 2024, 03:09:51 pm
Thanks Helly, sound advice. It’s no as if I don’t know, it’s just doing it. My wife has been 8st 4lb for all of the 25 years I’ve known here. She eats a tiny amount of food. Ok, she had her issues (anorexia) before I met her, and she doesn’t really strongly like any food, but the portions… golly!  And yes, it’s the feeling of wanting to eat that’s the hardest to resist - unlike smoking, which I quit, I do need to ear something. Ah well, tracking my weight on the other thread….
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 January, 2024, 05:55:14 pm
Apart from soups, be VERY careful about drinking Calories.

‘Pure’ fruit juice is around 10% sugar and it’s very easy to down 25g sugar without feeling you’ve had anything. 25g of carbs could otherwise have come from a 125 gram potato or a large chunk of bread.

If you’re eating any carbs, make sure they’re SOLID!

Alcohol is also very calorific.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 07 January, 2024, 08:20:46 pm
Ta. I’m not a drinker of juices, it’s mainly water. And alcohol of course. I’ll be running down my stock of the latter over this month, then I’ll be mostly dry.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 08 January, 2024, 12:17:21 am
I had my quantities wrong upthread & have now corrected.

Brainstorm!

Apologies!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Beardy on 19 January, 2024, 09:00:12 pm
Hello, my name is Beardy and I’m a foodoholic.

It’s now the new year and so I’ve decided I need to do something about the excess fat I’m carrying; it’s getting in the way of my attempts at running and cycling as well as all sorts of things. Well, it’s being blamed for my sloth at the moment.

I’ve come to the conclusion over the many attempts I’ve used to reduce my weight, that the primary, nay the only, way to lose weight is to take on less calories than you use. And so I’m counting calories. I know that the start of any diet is straightforward, but sometime between week two and week three, I’ll start to slip, so I’ll be back here boring you all with my attempts to stay on the straight and narrow.

Now here’s the thing, and I believe the reason for my persistent wagon falling. I’m finding it very difficult to eat enough. I’m eating what I would normally at meals and avoiding most snacking (especially late evening snaking). I’ve been doing this,for 5 days now, and I’ve yet to break into the target band. My weight has ripped a little, but I know that’ll be mostly water. I’m trying to drink 2l + of water a day, but that’s also a struggle.

I’m just considering walking town to the corner shop to buy some beer, but I might just go into the kitchen instead and get some more water. And maybe a wee dram. It’s cold outside.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: paton on 20 January, 2024, 02:25:06 pm
Its true that you cant outrun a bad diet.
Counting calories has problems as well.

But have a look on youtube for people thriving on low carb high fat or keto or carnivore diets.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: paton on 20 January, 2024, 02:29:51 pm
https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnBakerMD/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRds3IKwIXc&t=1200s

https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos

https://www.youtube.com/@drekberg/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rz-8H_i1wA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4BacckOv98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXYfxmQV2A
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 20 January, 2024, 02:46:28 pm
Has anyone signed up to Zoe nutrition programme yet?

Here is a podcast on gut health: https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9e9d2f54-6c10-4112-abe3-c33037058b00/49-5-Best-of-Gut-Health-anniversary-edition-mixed.mp3

Missed that post. I signed up and I’m still doing it, although my “membership” comes to an end soon. I have found it really useful. I wasn’t overweight to start with so I did it out of interest and because I was a bit concerned about my sugar intake. Gut health assessment result was “poor”. Everything else (how I handle fat and sugar) was OK, though better for fats. The most useful part of the process, for me, was wearing the glucose monitor. Two of the things that caused the largest blood glucose spikes were porridge and bananas. Porridge surprised me as I had thought it was “slow release” but not so for me. In general, for me, any kind of grain is bad, regardless of form. Even the “healthiest” of mueslis etc. Potatoes: bad.

I now eat much less rice, potato, pasta, porridge, don’t have any kind of cereal, and I eat a lot more nuts, legumes and leafy stuff, amongst other changes that essentially amount to an increase in variety.

[Edited to add: which all may seem elementary, but until I logged and analysed my diet and used the Zoe food scoring, I was not aware of the impact of eating a relatively small amount of “bad” foods even when eating mostly good things. One or two portions of relatively poor quality foods (as per Zoe scoring) is enough to undo a day of eating optimally aside from that portion or two.]

Can poo for England.

My main criticism of the Zoe thing is that for the price it really should include a follow-up blood and shite test.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 20 January, 2024, 04:13:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnBakerMD/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRds3IKwIXc&t=1200s

https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos

https://www.youtube.com/@drekberg/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rz-8H_i1wA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4BacckOv98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXYfxmQV2A

You seem inordinately fond of posting YouTube links without giving any context (in general, not just here). I’m far from convinced it’s a reliable source of material, and that goes for most social media.  As for Keto there is already quite a lot on the forum regarding that, and members who follow such a diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Beardy on 20 January, 2024, 06:17:26 pm
Its true that you cant outrun a bad diet.
Counting calories has problems as well.

But have a look on youtube for people thriving on low carb high fat or keto or carnivore diets.
The simple fact is, regardless of how you count it, you have to eat less energy than you use. The simplest, in terms of quantity, way to do that is through calories. There are as with everything in life, caveats. If yiu just found calories, you can easily eat an unhealthy diet and it is incumbent on you to avoid that. Many people would argue that a lot of the restrictive diet plans are inherently unhealthy in the pursuit of simplicity. I am not a dietitian and this refrain from such claims , but will say that in counting calories I am accepting that the diet composition falls to me to control.

This evenings meal of pizza, beer and ice cream sundae was delicious and while without my calorie intake for the day by virtue of fasting, probably does not meet all my dietary needs for the day. I’ll live with that because tomorrow I’ll be back on the sensible eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 31 January, 2024, 07:33:20 am
It's always the same for me (or so it seems). I decided I needed both to lose weight and exercise more - I seem to have lost the cycling mojo sadly. So 3 weeks ago I started to reduce carbs (no alcohol, less bread, rice and pasta) and start going to the gym. Initial resuts good - dropped 3kg (though some of that is scales swapping). But last week to this - I go up 1kg  :-\.

It's likey the food. The amount my wife survives on is microscopic. She's "helped" by not really liking food that much, but even so.....

Ah well, I've dropped weight before, I'll manage it again, but reduced portions is the way to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Phil21 on 31 January, 2024, 10:24:49 am
3kg in 3 weeks is a ridiculous amount to lose. 1kg of fat is about 7500 calories, so that would mean a deficit of 1000 calories per day. Completely unsustainable and probably not real at all. I weigh myself most mornings and the daily fluctuation due to water loss/retention and toilet usage can easily be more than 1 kg.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 31 January, 2024, 10:30:12 am
We have had an incredibly stressful time for the last 3 years and we comfort eat so we slowly regained most of the weight we lost 4 years ago.  Not helped by being ill over the summer and taking a long time to recuperate.  So we have started the Michael Mosley recommended 800 calorie keto diet and plan to continue until Easter.  We know keto suits us, loads of green vegetable to fill up on with a 90% vinegar/10% oil dressing and chicken/ fish for protein.  This is combined with going teetotal until Easter.

We started last Friday after returning from holiday and I am 5 pounds down.  Mostly water and I am certainly not doing any HIIT sessions for a while.  Not really feeling hungry, headaches and off colour feeling for first 3-4 days but feeling fine now. 

Basically the same diet that the NHS now recommends for Type 2 diabetics to put them back into normal sugar range and it is remarkably efficient.  We are also eating a helping of live unpasteurised kimchi/sauerkraut everyday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 31 January, 2024, 10:40:05 am
3kg in 3 weeks is a ridiculous amount to lose. 1kg of fat is about 7500 calories, so that would mean a deficit of 1000 calories per day. Completely unsustainable and probably not real at all. I weigh myself most mornings and the daily fluctuation due to water loss/retention and toilet usage can easily be more than 1 kg.
Not at all ridiculous.  It is now the recommended method of losing weight, reversing insulin resistance, reversing fatty liver for people with Type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome and an increasing number of conditions.  Diet was developed by a professor of Diabetes at Newcastle University medical school with professor of nutrition in Glasgow and has now been trialled worldwide with the same results.

https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation (https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation)
Quote
As a result of the new understanding of type 2 diabetes, NHS England has conducted a pilot scheme to determine the most cost effective way of delivering remission of type 2 diabetes. In the first few thousand people, weight loss was a remarkable 10.3kg. This success led to the scheme being rolled out as a national programme throughout England. It requires referral from a general practitioner to join this 12 month programme. All participants have to be aged 25 to 65 years and diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in the last 6 years. At present, participants have to have a BMI over 27kg/m2. Full details are available on: https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/low-calorie-diets/

and
https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/362/bmj.k3760.full.pdf (https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/362/bmj.k3760.full.pdf)


Quote
Abstract
Objective To test the effectiveness and safety of a total diet replacement (TDR) programme for routine treatment of obesity in a primary care setting.

Design Pragmatic, two arm, parallel group, open label, individually randomised controlled trial.

Setting 10 primary care practices in Oxfordshire, UK.

Participants 278 adults who were obese and seeking support to lose weight: 138 were assigned to the TDR programme and 140 to usual care. 73% of participants were re-measured at 12 months.

Interventions The TDR programme comprised weekly behavioural support for 12 weeks and monthly support for three months, with formula food products providing 810 kcal/day (3389 kJ/day) as the sole food during the first eight weeks followed by reintroduction of food. Usual care comprised behavioural support for weight loss from a practice nurse and a diet programme with modest energy restriction.

Main outcome measures The primary outcome was weight change at 12 months analysed as intention to treat with mixed effects models. Secondary outcomes included biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic risk. Adverse events were recorded.

Results Participants in the TDR group lost more weight (−10.7 kg) than those in the usual care group (−3.1 kg): adjusted mean difference −7.2 kg (95% confidence interval −9.4 to −4.9 kg). 45% of participants in the TDR group and 15% in the usual care group experienced weight losses of 10% or more. The TDR group showed greater improvements in biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic risk than the usual care group. 11% of participants in the TDR group and 12% in the usual care group experienced adverse events of moderate or greater severity.

Conclusions Compared with regular weight loss support from a practice nurse, a programme of weekly behavioural support and total diet replacement providing 810 kcal/day seems to be tolerable, and leads to substantially greater weight loss and greater improvements in the risk of cardiometabolic disease.

Trial registration International Standard Randomised Controlled Trials No ISRCTN75092026.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 31 January, 2024, 10:50:13 am
It's a shame the NHS are so inconsistent with recommending it.

I went to (Durham & Darlington Trust) NHS weight loss stuff for a while - mostly to get access to the 'relationship with food' therapy. The diet they were expecting me to follow, requested, based on my mass, NINE portions of carbs a day.
When I pointed out this was not the diet Diabetes UK recommended, they told me that I shouldn't be surprised I'm not losing weight when I wasn't following their recommendations which are based on 'evidence' and 'scientific research'. Most of the participants were there as a precursor to bariatric surgery. The CBT I did with them was a bit shite too.



Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 31 January, 2024, 01:04:14 pm
what happens to past weight reports, ie 2023,22,21 etc are they still around, would be good to check oneself against previous oneself's's at a particular time of year, ie NOW . ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 31 January, 2024, 02:24:30 pm
It's a shame the NHS are so inconsistent with recommending it.

I went to (Durham & Darlington Trust) NHS weight loss stuff for a while - mostly to get access to the 'relationship with food' therapy. The diet they were expecting me to follow, requested, based on my mass, NINE portions of carbs a day.
When I pointed out this was not the diet Diabetes UK recommended, they told me that I shouldn't be surprised I'm not losing weight when I wasn't following their recommendations which are based on 'evidence' and 'scientific research'. Most of the participants were there as a precursor to bariatric surgery. The CBT I did with them was a bit shite too.
I agree it is very inconsistent. I have found the books by Michael Mosley, a GP, very helpful. I don’t think most of us need the counselling - we want to lose weight. We need advice on what 800calories is and how to feed ourselves.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bromptonlad on 31 January, 2024, 03:58:16 pm
It's a shame the NHS are so inconsistent with recommending it.

I went to (Durham & Darlington Trust) NHS weight loss stuff for a while - mostly to get access to the 'relationship with food' therapy. The diet they were expecting me to follow, requested, based on my mass, NINE portions of carbs a day.
When I pointed out this was not the diet Diabetes UK recommended, they told me that I shouldn't be surprised I'm not losing weight when I wasn't following their recommendations which are based on 'evidence' and 'scientific research'. Most of the participants were there as a precursor to bariatric surgery. The CBT I did with them was a bit shite too.
I agree it is very inconsistent. I have found the books by Michael Mosley, a GP, very helpful. I don’t think most of us need the counselling - we want to lose weight. We need advice on what 800calories is and how to feed ourselves.

800 calories is a bit less than the daily average provided in a nazi concentration camp… although of course proteins were harder to come by.
For what is worth, a supermarket double sandwich pack with egg and cress on granary is about 400kcal… living on two of those a day, or the equivalent, for a long stint must be my definition of hell on earth. Respect if you can keep going and function
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 31 January, 2024, 04:04:56 pm
3kg in 3 weeks is a ridiculous amount to lose. 1kg of fat is about 7500 calories, so that would mean a deficit of 1000 calories per day. Completely unsustainable and probably not real at all. I weigh myself most mornings and the daily fluctuation due to water loss/retention and toilet usage can easily be more than 1 kg.

Not at all.  1kg/2lbs a week is what you'd expect to lose on a weekly basis on most reasonable diets - possibly more if it were lower carb.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 31 January, 2024, 04:26:51 pm
what happens to past weight reports, ie 2023,22,21 etc are they still around, would be good to check oneself against previous oneself's's at a particular time of year, ie NOW . ;)

Yes, still around, just buried deep.
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=124822.0

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=121912.0

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=117930.0

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=114399.0

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=110612.0

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 31 January, 2024, 04:28:57 pm
what happens to past weight reports, ie 2023,22,21 etc are they still around, would be good to check oneself against previous oneself's's at a particular time of year, ie NOW . ;)

Yes, still around, just buried deep.
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=124822.0

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=121912.0

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=117930.0

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=114399.0

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=110612.0

Ooo- :o  Time to scare oneself, innit. Cheers


EDIT,  Some scary sh*t there, 10kg in 5 years, Arrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 31 January, 2024, 04:29:54 pm
It's a shame the NHS are so inconsistent with recommending it.

I went to (Durham & Darlington Trust) NHS weight loss stuff for a while - mostly to get access to the 'relationship with food' therapy. The diet they were expecting me to follow, requested, based on my mass, NINE portions of carbs a day.
When I pointed out this was not the diet Diabetes UK recommended, they told me that I shouldn't be surprised I'm not losing weight when I wasn't following their recommendations which are based on 'evidence' and 'scientific research'. Most of the participants were there as a precursor to bariatric surgery. The CBT I did with them was a bit shite too.
I agree it is very inconsistent. I have found the books by Michael Mosley, a GP, very helpful. I don’t think most of us need the counselling - we want to lose weight. We need advice on what 800calories is and how to feed ourselves.

800 calories is a bit less than the daily average provided in a nazi concentration camp… although of course proteins were harder to come by.
For what is worth, a supermarket double sandwich pack with egg and cress on granary is about 400kcal… living on two of those a day, or the equivalent, for a long stint must be my definition of hell on earth. Respect if you can keep going and function
Whey protein after weight lifting. Then 3 rashers of bacon and a microwave egg for lunch. Mid afternoon is knorr stockpot in 500ml of hot water.
492 calories so far today. Then chicken, aubergine, courgette and tomato for tea. May be 820.   O shortage of food. Plus a helping of kimchi.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 31 January, 2024, 04:37:44 pm
Has anyone signed up to Zoe nutrition programme yet?

Here is a podcast on gut health: https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9e9d2f54-6c10-4112-abe3-c33037058b00/49-5-Best-of-Gut-Health-anniversary-edition-mixed.mp3

Missed that post. I signed up and I’m still doing it, although my “membership” comes to an end soon. I have found it really useful. I wasn’t overweight to start with so I did it out of interest and because I was a bit concerned about my sugar intake. Gut health assessment result was “poor”. Everything else (how I handle fat and sugar) was OK, though better for fats. The most useful part of the process, for me, was wearing the glucose monitor. Two of the things that caused the largest blood glucose spikes were porridge and bananas. Porridge surprised me as I had thought it was “slow release” but not so for me. In general, for me, any kind of grain is bad, regardless of form. Even the “healthiest” of mueslis etc. Potatoes: bad.

I now eat much less rice, potato, pasta, porridge, don’t have any kind of cereal, and I eat a lot more nuts, legumes and leafy stuff, amongst other changes that essentially amount to an increase in variety.

[Edited to add: which all may seem elementary, but until I logged and analysed my diet and used the Zoe food scoring, I was not aware of the impact of eating a relatively small amount of “bad” foods even when eating mostly good things. One or two portions of relatively poor quality foods (as per Zoe scoring) is enough to undo a day of eating optimally aside from that portion or two.]

Can poo for England.

My main criticism of the Zoe thing is that for the price it really should include a follow-up blood and shite test.



Mine did. 

And you're on the button about the impact of poor foods.  But I was in the first UK group, so that might account for it.

I need to get back to doing Zoe a bit more diligently...  I've had other things on my mind.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 31 January, 2024, 09:15:08 pm
Don’t worry!
There are big fluid shifts associated with the carbs in your diet.
A big initial weight loss isn’t fat.

Don’t let disappointment with a temporary blip turn into a major failure to reduce body fat.

Persistence and ‘good habits’ are the only sustainable ways to lose body fat...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bromptonlad on 01 February, 2024, 08:20:09 am
Not overweight, BMI hovering around 21-22. but always wish to be lighter as the racing season approaches.
To my astonishment, I was caught out with high cholesterol, 6.2 total, although the HDL is reasonably high, so the ratio is in the healthy range… blood pressure not great either 130-140 systolic.
So I went the other way, no more dairy fat, no more meat other than the leanest, replaced milk with oats substitute and cut on the amount of salt… inevitably I eat more carbs, which are plenty even where vegetable protein is to be found.
Lost three pounds in a month out of a carb loaded diet…   :o

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Phil21 on 01 February, 2024, 10:07:10 am
Who mentioned diabetes? Why did you bring it up? Anyway, the links you posted don't support your argument at all.

3kg in 3 weeks is a ridiculous amount to lose. 1kg of fat is about 7500 calories, so that would mean a deficit of 1000 calories per day. Completely unsustainable and probably not real at all. I weigh myself most mornings and the daily fluctuation due to water loss/retention and toilet usage can easily be more than 1 kg.
Not at all ridiculous.  It is now the recommended method of losing weight, reversing insulin resistance, reversing fatty liver for people with Type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome and an increasing number of conditions.  Diet was developed by a professor of Diabetes at Newcastle University medical school with professor of nutrition in Glasgow and has now been trialled worldwide with the same results.

Main outcome measures The primary outcome was weight change at 12 months analysed as intention to treat with mixed effects models. Secondary outcomes included biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic risk. Adverse events were recorded.

Results Participants in the TDR group lost more weight (−10.7 kg)...


So the people on this super-duper medically monitored diet lost....drum roll... 10.7kg in 12 months. Less than a kilo per month.
Whereas 3kg in 3 weeks extrapolates to ... 52kg per year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 01 February, 2024, 10:35:12 am
Weight loss isn't linear.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 01 February, 2024, 11:19:53 am
Weight loss isn't linear.

Absolutely.  You tend to lose weight quickly to begin with, then level off/plateau.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Phil21 on 01 February, 2024, 11:24:09 am
Exactly my point. In any case, I'm done here.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rr on 01 February, 2024, 03:38:32 pm
3kg in 3 weeks is a ridiculous amount to lose. 1kg of fat is about 7500 calories, so that would mean a deficit of 1000 calories per day. Completely unsustainable and probably not real at all. I weigh myself most mornings and the daily fluctuation due to water loss/retention and toilet usage can easily be more than 1 kg.
Not at all ridiculous.  It is now the recommended method of losing weight, reversing insulin resistance, reversing fatty liver for people with Type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome and an increasing number of conditions.  Diet was developed by a professor of Diabetes at Newcastle University medical school with professor of nutrition in Glasgow and has now been trialled worldwide with the same results.

https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation (https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation)
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As a result of the new understanding of type 2 diabetes, NHS England has conducted a pilot scheme to determine the most cost effective way of delivering remission of type 2 diabetes. In the first few thousand people, weight loss was a remarkable 10.3kg. This success led to the scheme being rolled out as a national programme throughout England. It requires referral from a general practitioner to join this 12 month programme. All participants have to be aged 25 to 65 years and diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in the last 6 years. At present, participants have to have a BMI over 27kg/m2. Full details are available on: https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/low-calorie-diets/

and
https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/362/bmj.k3760.full.pdf (https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/362/bmj.k3760.full.pdf)


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Abstract
Objective To test the effectiveness and safety of a total diet replacement (TDR) programme for routine treatment of obesity in a primary care setting.

Design Pragmatic, two arm, parallel group, open label, individually randomised controlled trial.

Setting 10 primary care practices in Oxfordshire, UK.

Participants 278 adults who were obese and seeking support to lose weight: 138 were assigned to the TDR programme and 140 to usual care. 73% of participants were re-measured at 12 months.

Interventions The TDR programme comprised weekly behavioural support for 12 weeks and monthly support for three months, with formula food products providing 810 kcal/day (3389 kJ/day) as the sole food during the first eight weeks followed by reintroduction of food. Usual care comprised behavioural support for weight loss from a practice nurse and a diet programme with modest energy restriction.

Main outcome measures The primary outcome was weight change at 12 months analysed as intention to treat with mixed effects models. Secondary outcomes included biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic risk. Adverse events were recorded.

Results Participants in the TDR group lost more weight (−10.7 kg) than those in the usual care group (−3.1 kg): adjusted mean difference −7.2 kg (95% confidence interval −9.4 to −4.9 kg). 45% of participants in the TDR group and 15% in the usual care group experienced weight losses of 10% or more. The TDR group showed greater improvements in biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic risk than the usual care group. 11% of participants in the TDR group and 12% in the usual care group experienced adverse events of moderate or greater severity.

Conclusions Compared with regular weight loss support from a practice nurse, a programme of weekly behavioural support and total diet replacement providing 810 kcal/day seems to be tolerable, and leads to substantially greater weight loss and greater improvements in the risk of cardiometabolic disease.

Trial registration International Standard Randomised Controlled Trials No ISRCTN75092026.
I start on 12 February, four weeks "food" is sitting in a box, in the kitchen. Total diet replacement is only for the first 12 weeks, you are expected to lose 10kg or 10% of your body weight in that time.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240201/2bc81e81dddeebaf0e1a011d6bb5e65f.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 07 February, 2024, 07:29:49 am
Don’t worry!
There are big fluid shifts associated with the carbs in your diet.
A big initial weight loss isn’t fat.

Don’t let disappointment with a temporary blip turn into a major failure to reduce body fat.

Persistence and ‘good habits’ are the only sustainable ways to lose body fat...

Indeed. Last weeks loss was 0.6kg. More reasonable, albeit a bit slow goven no booze, no cake or biscuits and a reduction in carbs. Hey ho, slowly does it - though I see at the end of 2020 I was 80kg. But I've hardly exercised since then. I can't do the Huel thing, despite working (literally) right next door to them. OT but they're zealots. Compare it to Complan, or call it a "meal replacement" and they get VERY sniffy. It's a "complete food".  Similarly the public face of Zoe, Tim Spector who comes across as a bit of a chauvinist for his cause. Yes, I know he's a scientist, but both Zoe and Huel are for the monied middle classes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 07 February, 2024, 08:16:15 am
Michael Mosley?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 February, 2024, 09:18:16 pm
I lost a lot of weight in 2012-14, which has partly been regained 10 years late, though I’m not as big.
It’s long-term habits which make long-term changes.

They’ve GOT to be sustainable, practical, affordable and palatable. What will make the difference to weight on 31 December is how you eat in the 45 weeks of the year which are not Xmas, New Year, birthdays, special occasions, hotel stays etc. Enjoy those without guilt and otherwise make rules you mostly keep.

 
 Don’t eat food you don’t like. Waste of calories unless somebody will get offended or this is the only available food and you’re ravenous.
 Limit portion sizes of protein foods to supermarket sized suggestions. That is ENOUGH!
 Limit carbs to small portions
 Don’t drink sugar
 Enjoy TINY portions of top-class treats - go for quality, not quantity
 Get used to being a bit hungry (not ravenous) it won’t kill you!
 Try to wait at least 4 hours between feeds unless on a long bike ride.
 Try to avoid processed & artificial foods.

Living on a diet of steak, salad and strawberries will lose you weight but isn’t too good for the wallet or the planet; tastes nice though!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 08 February, 2024, 12:12:27 pm
Portion control (or lack of it) is my downfall usually. My wife eats so little - for instance her dinner will be 1 ounce of pasta with a teapspoon or 2 of pesto.  Thats' it.  Her larget meal is breakfast - we both have home-made muesli with fruits, ekfir nas banana. She'll have a small loaf crustless snadwich for lunch, and maybe a slice of cake mid afternoon. She's been 8st 4lb give or take for the last 25 years (as long as I've known here). OK, she does have food "issues" that limit her appetite but we've manahed them since we've been together.

Last night I cooked 2 typical Salmon fillet slices. What I should have done, in retrospaect is cook one, as my wife ate no more than a piece (from the thin end) that was as long as tow finger joints and about as thick. I ate the rest (of the two!)

I'm improving in reducing portions, but it's a bit of a struggle!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 08 February, 2024, 12:25:56 pm
Michael Mosley?

YEah, I find him a bit less polemical than the others, but the advice is similar, and the ingrediants just as costly. We've been watching his latest series, but he needs to enlist some poore people - not a couple who can blow £5k on takeaways a year. And we don't all want to eat a multicoloured salad for every meal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 08 February, 2024, 02:39:53 pm
800 calories is difficult.  There is no getting away from it.  You need to write down every single thing which goes in your mouth and weigh everything before you start cooking.  We have no bread in the house, no potatoes, rice or other carbohydrates.  No sausages and nothing but best pure meat beefburgers. No chocolate, no cakes.  We did it during lockdown and lost over 2 stone in about 10 weeks.

Breakfast for me is 2 rashers of grilled bacon and a microwave poached egg.  Lunch is either chicken or whey protein which will bring me to about 400 calories leaving the rest for dinner.

Last night we had 300g of roasted celeriac, grilled tomato and 170g of squid (a major treat for my wife) followed by a zero calorie jelly and then a small chocoalte thing she was practising before granddaughters come next week.  I cycled 50km in the morning but total food intake was 850 calories.  Normally under the 800 without the chocolate.

Mid afternoon I have 500mls of knorr stockpot which is 28 calories.  Gives a savoury hit to fool the stomach

Alternatives  for night time are cauliflower mash 170g, no butter, 1/2 tea spoon of garlic oil in it. Lettuce Ok but a bit meh after a while.  Aubergine is great as is celeriac chips with smoked paprika.  I generally make a very vinegary dressing for lettuce.

a couple of nights where we have been very low we have had 30g of parmesan before bed - a real treat.

I am not saying I am brilliant at this and it does require a complete rethink of the shopping bag but we never stand up from the evening meal feeling less than pleasantly full.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Poly Hive on 11 February, 2024, 01:46:56 pm
I thought to pop my experience into the pot.

On Sept 25th 2023 I cut my meals down to two. My normal breakfast and then a diet lunch. My wife has a number of dietary issues so we cook everything from scratch ensuring we know exactly what we are eating. Mosely would find our shopping exemplary. So far I have lost 30 pounds and am aiming to lose close to the same again. I started at 17st 2 and am now just under 15st.

We bought an Air Frier for our main pressie and it has been a help as is a neighbour who stalks and so we are exchanging honey for venison. Along with the AF we bought a diet book and the lunches we are having from that book are seriously lovely. We cook for four and half the dish, then the next day do the same so we are constantly interspersing our meals. Novelty is a great way to broaden the culinary repertoire.

I just need to get my hands back into some sort of shape and I can get back on the bike.

Pete
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 11 February, 2024, 02:09:31 pm
Great comments. I think cutting out a whole meal really helps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 11 February, 2024, 06:00:41 pm
Michael Mosley?

YEah, - not a couple who can blow £5k on takeaways a year.

I think you will find it was not £5k a year, but an astonishing £15K, that is why they weren't saving any money.  £300 per week they were spending. Victor Meldrew moment coming up me thinks.........I d...........!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 11 February, 2024, 07:44:58 pm
I haven’t seen any of the TV. I read the books after reading the diabetes diet data from Newcastle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 25 February, 2024, 04:01:18 pm
I’ve not had an alcoholic drink for 6 weeks. Nor have I partaken of any of the ersatz alternatives which all seem to have a high sugar content. As a consequence I’ve also not had my customary Friday and Saturday evening suppers of cheese or pate with crackers or bread. All this has helped significantly to reduce my calorie intake. The bulk of my drinking has been water or tea. I’ve also managed, with a few exceptions, to forgo sweet things. No more chocolate digestives with my getting-in cup of tea. And notably no more of the £1.10 “charity” flapjacks on offer at work. How long all this lasts is anyone’s guess. I’m thinking of treating myself to some sea trout for my birthday next month, an£ that might be accompanied by a decent white wine… but I’m almost worried about how it’ll make me feel the next day. Sadly moderation is a virtue I sadly lack! We shall see, but that’s another 3 weeks yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 06 March, 2024, 06:43:19 pm
So I have put on 10 kg over last year, not sure how that happened.  Despite eating slightly less for 3 months, nothing has shifted and am stuck at 78kg.

I don’t remember it being this hard and have started to walk 6k steps a day in a bid for some exercise.

It’s the stomach I can’t seem to lose, sigh and my alcohol intake is substantially reduced, a bottle of red a month.

I do the 8 hour eating window and that has not helped.  Any advice , other go back to a fitness app?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 07 March, 2024, 09:32:43 am
After a serious talking to from the cardiologist, I'm once again trying to lose weight (he's referred me into Tier 2 services and will refer me into Tier 3 if I don't lose enough weight in 12 weeks).  I'm also hoping to do the last part of the Via Francigena at the end of May.  So now:


I lost 3.5kgs last week.  I'm hoping I can get another 2kg off this week. 

I'd be happy with a 1-2kg loss per week but know that I'll plateau at some time in the next few weeks.  That's when I find things tend to  go awry.  So I'm also seeing a hypnotherapist (it helped me give up smoking so I'm seeing if it can help me with the weight loss).

I have a lot of weight to lose...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: velosam on 07 March, 2024, 09:56:44 am
After a serious talking to from the cardiologist, I'm once again trying to lose weight (he's referred me into Tier 2 services and will refer me into Tier 3 if I don't lose enough weight in 12 weeks).  I'm also hoping to do the last part of the Via Francigena at the end of May.  So now:

  • Intermittent fasting 16:8, with my eating window between 12 midday and 8.00 pm.
  • Into the gym 6 mornings a week.  2 HIIT classes, 2 weights classes and 2 body conditioning classes over the week.
  • No alcohol.
  • Low carb diet.
  • Vegetarian main meals three times a week.
  • Sunday (my gym rest day) means a long walk.
  • Attending Slimming World (not for the diet but the weekly weigh-in and accountability)
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I lost 3.5kgs last week.  I'm hoping I can get another 2kg off this week. 

I'd be happy with a 1-2kg loss per week but know that I'll plateau at some time in the next few weeks.  That's when I find things tend to  go awry.  So I'm also seeing a hypnotherapist (it helped me give up smoking so I'm seeing if it can help me with the weight loss).

I have a lot of weight to lose...

Good luck, thats really good with the weight loss
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Canardly on 07 March, 2024, 12:09:23 pm
Quite happily maintaining a calorie deficient lower carb diet atm with no alcohol. Have lost 10kg since December but for now seem to have plateaud. Would like to lose another 10kg. Not in any particular rush but will be glad to see a significant reduction of visceral fat. Need some decent weather to dust the bike off as getting out and about on the bike has tailed off significantly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: T42 on 08 March, 2024, 11:08:44 am
Quite happily maintaining a calorie deficient lower carb diet atm with no alcohol. Have lost 10kg since December but for now seem to have plateaud. Would like to lose another 10kg. Not in any particular rush but will be glad to see a significat reduction of visceral fat. Need some decent weather to dust the bike off as getting out and about on the bike has tailed off significantly.

If you can manage it, a change of surroundings and exercise work wonders. Away back in the early 90's I was on such a plateau for a couple of months, then we had a week's walking holiday and I came back 4 kg lighter. My weight went on dropping after we got home even though I went back onto the same diet.

Wouldn't mind doing that again but my ankles are too buggered.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 08 March, 2024, 12:13:59 pm
After a serious talking to from the cardiologist, I'm once again trying to lose weight (he's referred me into Tier 2 services and will refer me into Tier 3 if I don't lose enough weight in 12 weeks).  I'm also hoping to do the last part of the Via Francigena at the end of May.  So now:

  • Intermittent fasting 16:8, with my eating window between 12 midday and 8.00 pm.
  • Into the gym 6 mornings a week.  2 HIIT classes, 2 weights classes and 2 body conditioning classes over the week.
  • No alcohol.
  • Low carb diet.
  • Vegetarian main meals three times a week.
  • Sunday (my gym rest day) means a long walk.
  • Attending Slimming World (not for the diet but the weekly weigh-in and accountability)

I lost 3.5kgs last week.  I'm hoping I can get another 2kg off this week. 

I'd be happy with a 1-2kg loss per week but know that I'll plateau at some time in the next few weeks.  That's when I find things tend to  go awry.  So I'm also seeing a hypnotherapist (it helped me give up smoking so I'm seeing if it can help me with the weight loss).

I have a lot of weight to lose...

Yeah, I'm in a similar situation though my medical issue is pre-diabetes. I gave up alcohol for four months in 2023, and lost about 7kg. Since New Year I've been back on it and put most of that 7kg back on - despite increasing exercise to 3-4 vigorous rides a week. Walking significant distances is out of the question due arthritis (another aspect which would be improved by losing weight), but I know I can do more.

My problem is actually doing the stuff to make new habits. I'm now (as of two weeks ago) on the Zoe programme and I'm hoping that the oversight will motivate me to do what I need to do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 10 March, 2024, 09:47:50 am
Mustn't be too complacent, but................4 1/2 bags of sugar lost since just before New Year......shhhh! ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rr on 10 March, 2024, 10:15:36 am
I started the NHS diabetes remission program on 27 Feb - 4 shakes or soups per day at 215kcal each. I'm not as hungry as I feared, and apart from an unconnected stinking cold, I feel fine.
Dropped 4kg in the first week and although the rate is reducing it still seems to be coming off.
Blood glucose seems to be similar to what it was despite stopping the medication.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240310/d427a5bda807cebea3a1025158e73703.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240310/aae19fc8d64680da109d6c9e8f35fae7.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 11 March, 2024, 04:42:32 pm
Weight seems to have stabilised at a bit over 84kg

Height is also stable  ;)

That gives me a BMI of 27.7
Waist/height ratio is 0.56, which isn't great.

Our scales allegedly measure body fat; and it gives a flattering value of 18% (I think it under-measures).

That's been fairly consistent for a past 3 years; 17 - 18%

Weight has gone up, but looking at the history, muscle mass has increased.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Flite on 11 March, 2024, 05:51:51 pm
Have any of you used smart scales?
Husband is thinking of buying some.
Most reviews I've seen seem to think they are pretty inaccurate.

I only weigh myself when I need to weigh the cat.
The "pinch an inch" test tells me when to eat less butter and cheese.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Auntie Helen on 11 March, 2024, 06:19:50 pm
I have smart scales and like the convenience. All the measurements get into Apple Health.

They seem consistent enough with measuring body fat, muscle mass etc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 11 March, 2024, 06:24:34 pm
We have Renpho scales

I think that the body fat/muscle mass measurements aren't very accurate (I've previously had fat measured in a hospital, and that involved multiple electrodes all over my body).

The saving of data straight to my phone is simple and useful; even if you don't believe the other measurements, it is informative and simple to see weight over time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on 11 March, 2024, 07:40:01 pm
Likewise I have Garmin scales. Not sure as to absolute accuracy, but good for comparisons and of course data straight to phone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 12 March, 2024, 07:49:47 am
I’ve got Withings scales.  Their measurements are consistent with those I get at the hospital.  I use them as a rough guide to what is happening in my body. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: L CC on 12 March, 2024, 08:21:41 am
We have Fitbit scales.

They are consistent if not accurate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Flite on 12 March, 2024, 08:48:43 am
Thanks for your replies folks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rr on 12 March, 2024, 09:11:31 am
As part of the program I am on I have been provided with some bodytrace smart scales, these seem to have a SIM card in them as they transmit results directly to the server without being connected to either my phone or my Wi-Fi.
I have zero confidence in they produce infeasible day-to-day weight changes and given the very restricted and monotonous diet on far too much variation. For comparison here are the last month's readings for these scales and my old-fashioned ones. I know which ones I believe.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240312/c63e9918445fead80e58f92759f120cf.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240312/0a4afec1f7a4fb5d2042cd9c6378e518.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 13 March, 2024, 08:16:45 am
It was weigh in last night.  Another 2 kilos off last week.  Aiming for the same again this week. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Tim Hall on 15 March, 2024, 02:38:38 pm
Having weighed myself just after Christmas, I decided action was needed. Downloaded the NHS Weight Loss app, set a calorie target (2200kcal/day) and had a go to see what resolve I had. I've made a bit more of an effort to be more active too,with a self imposed cycling distance target. I do some of that by a half hour spin at lunch when time allows.

At the beginning of week 10 (last Saturday) of a 12 week programme I was 5kg down from my starting point. Quite Pleased. That's the lightest I've been for ages and ages.

Other than calorie counting, I haven't really made much change to my diet. I tend not to drink mid week, so that helps I guess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 20 March, 2024, 11:06:12 am
Only half a kilo off last week.  I need to address my snacking tendency.   

I've got 9 weeks to get as much weight as I can off before the Rome walk.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 21 March, 2024, 09:08:50 am
I've restricted snacks, resisted having seconds in the evening. Exercised every day, some days vigourously, mostly about 40min.

Put on a kilo in a week.

FFS
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: barakta on 21 March, 2024, 04:12:37 pm
Mr C, that's fucking maddening. I hope that's a glitch in a better longer term trend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 22 March, 2024, 07:45:40 am
I've restricted snacks, resisted having seconds in the evening. Exercised every day, some days vigourously, mostly about 40min.

Put on a kilo in a week.

FFS

You may have put on muscle.   

Look for the non-weight positives (looser clothing, fewer aches and pains, etc). Don’t get wedded to progress only coming from the scales. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 22 March, 2024, 08:37:10 am
I've restricted snacks, resisted having seconds in the evening. Exercised every day, some days vigourously, mostly about 40min.

Put on a kilo in a week.

FFS

You may have put on muscle.   

Look for the non-weight positives (looser clothing, fewer aches and pains, etc). Don’t get wedded to progress only coming from the scales.
According to the not-reliable scale measurements, I've put on 800g of muscle.

Clothes aren't any looser . . .
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: TimC on 22 March, 2024, 11:52:30 am
In the first month of the Zoe programme, basically trying to establish how I react to various foods, I’ve put on 4kg.

I’m not sure this is going right.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on 22 March, 2024, 04:32:01 pm
As I’ve posted before, the tape measure is your friend but you need to use this consistently.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on 26 March, 2024, 07:28:32 pm
Another 1.2kg off this week.  That means just over a stone in the last 4 weeks. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rr on 26 March, 2024, 10:29:36 pm
Back on the way down, I had the shorten my heart rate belt yesterday.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240326/33b3e0dbad16cc8d47527d7aac9c9b1f.jpg)