Author Topic: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?  (Read 1904 times)

Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #25 on: 16 March, 2021, 06:15:26 pm »
Does it have a punched card reader? I don't think that counts as rotating media.  ;D I remember a British manufacturing company which was famous in its niche still using them when the Berlin Wall came down. It had just been bought by a German rival . . . .

IIRC when I was first learning we were told that hardly anyone still used paper tape except the National Girobank. That was several years earlier.

I have a single 5.25" floppy which is reputed to have some software on it. No reader for it?
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Kim

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #26 on: 16 March, 2021, 06:18:55 pm »


I studied Cobol at an evening class in the '70s. After we had written the 4 divisions (IIRC) out, the teacher would get the white-coated technician to go to the compter lab and input this onto the computer and we would get a piece of tape something like this as the result. Is there an external drive I can feed my tapes into?

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CommuteTooFar

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #27 on: 16 March, 2021, 06:22:34 pm »


I studied Cobol at an evening class in the '70s. After we had written the 4 divisions (IIRC) out, the teacher would get the white-coated technician to go to the compter lab and input this onto the computer and we would get a piece of tape something like this as the result. Is there an external drive I can feed my tapes into?


I was really impressed the first time I saw a proper paper tape reader on a computer. An optical reader rather than the 10 chars per second readers I had seen before.  This one, open the lid, place start of tape in guide. Close lid. Press button. Then 10 seconds later a huge pile of tape on the floor (or basket if you expected it). 1200 chars per second is vey impressive on a mechanical device.

CommuteTooFar

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #28 on: 16 March, 2021, 06:51:19 pm »
When I built my current computer I bought an nvme SSD 1GB and a 2TB Hard disc. When I had something I wanted something that I might wanted to put on other storage I just bought a sata SSD and used that.  The Hard disc remains unused since I bought it. Although relatively inexpensive it was a waste of money.

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #29 on: 16 March, 2021, 08:18:04 pm »
I'm pretty sure I have a USB 3-inch floppy (so, so wrong) drive in the drawer, though I'm not risking the nest of sleeping cables to find out if it's still there. I think it came with some ludicrously pricy ultrabook I bought in the early noughties that had rather daringly for the time ditched an internal floppy disk drive.

I still have fond memories of the integral tape player in my Amstrad 464. It took me a metric fucktonne of paper rounds to buy that computer.
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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #30 on: 17 March, 2021, 09:13:35 am »
I'm pretty sure I have a USB 3-inch floppy (so, so wrong) drive in the drawer

Unless you're a former Amstrad CPC user, you probably don't.

Come to that, I don't think USB had been invented then.

ian

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #31 on: 17 March, 2021, 09:33:37 am »
Fortunately, I've been confident enough not to need to measure it, but I'm reassured it's bigger than I imagined.
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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #32 on: 17 March, 2021, 09:38:45 am »
I remember in 1989 backing up system data to 5.25 inch floppies before we cut over a live sales system.  Happy days.

CommuteTooFar

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #33 on: 17 March, 2021, 10:36:13 am »
If you want really to struggle with 5.25 floppy discs you need Apples implementation. Most floppy systems used MFM (Modified Frequency Modulation). This required an extra chip to do the electro magic. Apple decided they did not want to pay for that. They chose the GCR recoding which did not need a special chip.  The end results the same drive technology could only manage small amounts of data slowly.

Kim

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #34 on: 17 March, 2021, 01:29:23 pm »
I'm pretty sure I have a USB 3-inch floppy (so, so wrong) drive in the drawer

Unless you're a former Amstrad CPC user, you probably don't.

Or the Amstrad word processors.  I didn't realise the CPC used them too (I only remember the one with the built in cassette drive and the hilariously short curly monitor cables).
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TimC

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #35 on: 17 March, 2021, 01:32:58 pm »
Pah, I'm storing my data on a C15 audio cassette.

Oh the delights of loading and saving games to the humble audio cassette.  I can hear the sounds even after more than 40 years.

I still own a fully-operational (well, it was last time I looked a couple of years ago) Yamaha CX5M MSX computer that uses a separate cassette tape drive.

CommuteTooFar

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #36 on: 17 March, 2021, 02:18:29 pm »
Pah, I'm storing my data on a C15 audio cassette.

Oh the delights of loading and saving games to the humble audio cassette.  I can hear the sounds even after more than 40 years.

I still own a fully-operational (well, it was last time I looked a couple of years ago) Yamaha CX5M MSX computer that uses a separate cassette tape drive.

Yeah but you could of uploaded your data across the midi interface to your synthesizer.

TimC

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #37 on: 17 March, 2021, 02:44:54 pm »
I probably could but, as I say, I haven't even looked at it in a couple of years, and I'm not going to any time soon. I keep it for nostalgic reasons, not as a tool. One day when I really haven't got anything better to do, I might fire it up again and see whether it's actually usable, but I won't worry about it if it's not. It's one of those things that's probably only of real interest to a museum, but I've no idea if there's a museum of electronic music equipment!

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #38 on: 17 March, 2021, 05:54:07 pm »
Yeah but you could of have uploaded your data across the midi interface to your synthesizer.

That reminds me, saving the MIDI data from your kit to a computer was called a bulk dump, which always caused sniggers amongst musician friends when asked, "Have you done a bulk dump this week?"

Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #39 on: 19 March, 2021, 01:10:40 pm »
Got a new PC with an SSD. Starts up instantly. Excellent! No flailing around on spinning rust while it thinks about doing something.

Went for something fairly basic, but with a 512 GB SSD. Can easily expand memory if needed for storage. Should do for a few years. Copying stuff over now.
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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #40 on: 19 March, 2021, 01:32:27 pm »
Must root around into e loft and find my Sinclair Microdrives.

I'll bet they are stored with the Z88 EPROMS
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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #41 on: 19 March, 2021, 01:35:26 pm »
Got a new PC with an SSD. Starts up instantly. Excellent! No flailing around on spinning rust while it thinks about doing something.

Went for something fairly basic, but with a 512 GB SSD. Can easily expand memory if needed for storage. Should do for a few years. Copying stuff over now.

Excellent stuff.

On our two desktop machines I have installed Akasa caddies which allow you to hot swap in 2.5 inch drives.  I use ssd drives as the caddy is connected to sata ssd port on the main board.  It'd good for image copies, data backups and sharing between machines.

Jaded

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #42 on: 19 March, 2021, 01:55:45 pm »
I've just trashed (drilled through) and SSD that I've had since 2017. It is hosed. That's the first SSD failure I've had.
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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #43 on: 19 March, 2021, 02:48:39 pm »
What brand if you don't mind me asking.  4 years seems a short life unless you were really pounding it of course.

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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #44 on: 19 March, 2021, 04:54:16 pm »
Crucial, and I've checked - no warranty, it is three years  :(
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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #45 on: 19 March, 2021, 05:15:02 pm »
That's a shame.  I can recommend the ever so slightly pricier Samsung EVO drives with 5 year warranties.

Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #46 on: 26 March, 2021, 08:16:41 pm »
Having had my first SSD for a week now, I'm still surprised sometimes by how quickly it starts, opens things, etc. Pleasantly surprised of course. Installed something today which said I should restart, so I did - & forgot that no longer means "do something else for a while". I was getting up from my chair & realised I might as well sit down again.  ;D

And quietly, as well. No noise of spinning thing winding up to tell me it's working.
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Re: HDD + small SSD - worthwhile?
« Reply #47 on: 26 March, 2021, 08:32:33 pm »
Nice isn't it.

We have two Quiet PC machines with ssd's and no cpu fans.  Lovely Nofan copper flower cpu coolers.  The only noise noticeable is the clunk from the dvd drive at startup on mllePB's machine.  My blu-ray equipped system doesn't even do that.