Author Topic: Weight Loss Discussion Thread  (Read 1300781 times)

Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7350 on: 17 February, 2023, 10:44:56 am »
I agree Paul. In lockdown we lost about 2 stone each but have put a stone back on. We like food and I am probably addicted to chocolate.

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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7351 on: 17 February, 2023, 10:55:53 am »
Geroge Monbiot wrote an article a while back arguing that obesity is an incurable disease, judging by statistics.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/11/obesity-incurable-disease-cameron-punishing-sufferers

Here's another more recent one by the same author, from a somewhat different standpoint.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/age-of-obesity-shaming-overweight-people
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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7352 on: 17 February, 2023, 11:50:33 am »
I'm stuck at 107kg and need to do something about it.  Hopefully upcoming retirement will encourage me to get out & become more active.


There has been a lot of stuff in the press recently about drugs intended to treat diabetes being used for weight loss.  Writer Charles Stross lost 20% of his body weight in 20 weeks, but suffered constant low level nausea. https://wandering.shop/@cstross/109581182633674741


 Jeremy Clarkson has also said he's been using them successfully. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/jeremy-clarkson-weight-loss-ozempic-b2263254.html


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/feb/05/new-diabetes-drugs-do-not-tackle-root-causes-of-obesity-experts-warn


I could see the benefit if you'd been told to lose weight prior to surgery for example, but wouldn't fancy having to take such things long term unless medically advised.
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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7353 on: 07 March, 2023, 08:20:04 pm »
MrsC has signed up for Slimming World on-line (again).
"No matter how slow you go, you're still lapping everybody on the couch."

Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7354 on: 08 March, 2023, 07:14:28 am »
between last Fri and Mon morn, after dropping MrsC off at the airport, I did this:
4km jog
4km fast walk with dog, followed by 10km brisk paddle (which I've later regretted, as I've strained my left shoulder).
5km fast walk with dog, followed by 2hrs of sawing and hauling wood from a tree/shrub.
Moderate eating, more protein than usual, no snacks.

I put on 0.5kg  :facepalm:
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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7355 on: 08 March, 2023, 07:47:34 am »
Has anyone signed up to Zoe nutrition programme yet?

Here is a podcast on gut health: https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9e9d2f54-6c10-4112-abe3-c33037058b00/49-5-Best-of-Gut-Health-anniversary-edition-mixed.mp3



Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7356 on: 08 March, 2023, 07:58:32 am »
I thought about it but it's really expensive. And I don't think my problem is what I eat, it's how I think and feel about food.

Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7357 on: 08 March, 2023, 08:19:29 am »
I'm compelled by the idea that my gut health can be understood and I that get to know what food combos help with bloating and pain. I've been on fodmap lite kinda diet and probiotics for some time to keep the bloat at bay. The bonus of Zoe seems to be weight loss and a happier disposition, both of which I could do with.

Along with the money, a lot of learning and effort needs to be thrown into the mix. Or I could save a lot of money and chow down on a variety of fruit and veg and drink lots of water.


Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7358 on: 08 March, 2023, 08:29:08 am »
I signed up for the cgm and the gut microbe assessment and blood tests. Still in my 2 weeks which I have not been to strict about as I pretty much know what spikes my blood sugar already.
I think there is a lot of learning to do with it about foods.

Currently on the 800calorie diet which works well for us.

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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7359 on: 08 March, 2023, 03:15:51 pm »
between last Fri and Mon morn, after dropping MrsC off at the airport, I did this:
4km jog
4km fast walk with dog, followed by 10km brisk paddle (which I've later regretted, as I've strained my left shoulder).
5km fast walk with dog, followed by 2hrs of sawing and hauling wood from a tree/shrub.
Moderate eating, more protein than usual, no snacks.
I put on 0.5kg  :facepalm:

And that is what happens when you exercise, the muscles swell swell, water shifts etc.

A tape measure will reassure you you are no fatter.

Frequent weighing can make you fret...

Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7360 on: 12 March, 2023, 01:47:47 pm »
I'm stuck at 107kg and need to do something about it.  Hopefully upcoming retirement will encourage me to get out & become more active.


There has been a lot of stuff in the press recently about drugs intended to treat diabetes being used for weight loss.  Writer Charles Stross lost 20% of his body weight in 20 weeks, but suffered constant low level nausea. https://wandering.shop/@cstross/109581182633674741


 Jeremy Clarkson has also said he's been using them successfully. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/jeremy-clarkson-weight-loss-ozempic-b2263254.html


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/feb/05/new-diabetes-drugs-do-not-tackle-root-causes-of-obesity-experts-warn


I could see the benefit if you'd been told to lose weight prior to surgery for example, but wouldn't fancy having to take such things long term unless medically advised.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/mar/12/revealed-experts-who-praised-new-skinny-jab-received-payments-from-drug-maker

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As part of its strategy, Novo Nordisk paid £21.7m to health organisations and professionals who in some cases went on to praise the treatment without always making clear their links to the firm, an Observer investigation has found.

Among the vocal champions of the Wegovy jabs was a clinical expert who gave evidence to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) and others who publicly praised the so-called “skinny jabs” as a “gamechanger”.

Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7361 on: 15 March, 2023, 07:20:22 am »
between last Fri and Mon morn, after dropping MrsC off at the airport, I did this:
4km jog
4km fast walk with dog, followed by 10km brisk paddle (which I've later regretted, as I've strained my left shoulder).
5km fast walk with dog, followed by 2hrs of sawing and hauling wood from a tree/shrub.
Moderate eating, more protein than usual, no snacks.
I put on 0.5kg  :facepalm:

And that is what happens when you exercise, the muscles swell swell, water shifts etc.

A tape measure will reassure you you are no fatter.

Frequent weighing can make you fret...
Weight down by a could of hundred grams, i.e. no change.

Body fat is dropping though. I have some Renpho scales that purport to measure this.
If that isn't a one-off, then I'm moving in the right direction.
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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7362 on: 07 January, 2024, 11:01:44 am »
Well another year older, another attempt to reduce my weight. I’m 5’ 10” and 14st 4lb. In my early 30’s (some 35 years ago) I was 10st 7lb. Then I got married, and my weight started to increase. Probably coincidence!  Anyway something along the 12st 7lb mark would be fantastic. Trouble is one of the most effective ways to lose weight I’ve found is reduce carbs, but that’s hard in winter when having a salad. I need (FCVO need obvs) something warm in my meal. I’m not cycling anymore - since lockdown the roads seem to e busy all the time and I don’t enjoy it - so I’ve rejoined the local posh-ish gym at Halton tennis club. First visit in 4 years later today. I’ll start (now I’ve managed to reset and update them) using my Garmin scales again to track how I’m doing. Still running down the  seasonal stocks - Christmas cake and wine - but that should all be gone by early Feb, then it’ll be down to willpower. Yikes.
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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7363 on: 07 January, 2024, 01:17:26 pm »
Good luck!
I found losing weight and cutting carbs much, much easier after stopping cycling.
I’ve gained some bulk during lockdown but really enjoyed the cakes and goodies. I’m too wobbly to step on scales at all but found out by accident I could still fit into my ‘smallest’ trousers last week, so I can’t be too ginormous!

Suggest you try to increase intervals between feeds and are VERY rigorous with carb portion sizes, fairly sensible about protein potion sizes and accept that there will be times when you’re a bit hungry.

You might enjoy soups over the winter and they’re not usually too high in carbs.

Learn the difference between bored, peckish, hungry and ravenous and only eat for the last two.

If you crave a ‘naughty’ dessert after a meal, wait half an hour before you consider indulging. You might not crave it the same way once you’re absorbing the ‘sensible foods’.

Weight loss and maintenance is a long game...

Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7364 on: 07 January, 2024, 03:09:51 pm »
Thanks Helly, sound advice. It’s no as if I don’t know, it’s just doing it. My wife has been 8st 4lb for all of the 25 years I’ve known here. She eats a tiny amount of food. Ok, she had her issues (anorexia) before I met her, and she doesn’t really strongly like any food, but the portions… golly!  And yes, it’s the feeling of wanting to eat that’s the hardest to resist - unlike smoking, which I quit, I do need to ear something. Ah well, tracking my weight on the other thread….
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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7365 on: 07 January, 2024, 05:55:14 pm »
Apart from soups, be VERY careful about drinking Calories.

‘Pure’ fruit juice is around 10% sugar and it’s very easy to down 25g sugar without feeling you’ve had anything. 25g of carbs could otherwise have come from a 125 gram potato or a large chunk of bread.

If you’re eating any carbs, make sure they’re SOLID!

Alcohol is also very calorific.

Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7366 on: 07 January, 2024, 08:20:46 pm »
Ta. I’m not a drinker of juices, it’s mainly water. And alcohol of course. I’ll be running down my stock of the latter over this month, then I’ll be mostly dry.
We are making a New World (Paul Nash, 1918)

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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7367 on: 08 January, 2024, 12:17:21 am »
I had my quantities wrong upthread & have now corrected.

Brainstorm!

Apologies!

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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7368 on: 19 January, 2024, 09:00:12 pm »
Hello, my name is Beardy and I’m a foodoholic.

It’s now the new year and so I’ve decided I need to do something about the excess fat I’m carrying; it’s getting in the way of my attempts at running and cycling as well as all sorts of things. Well, it’s being blamed for my sloth at the moment.

I’ve come to the conclusion over the many attempts I’ve used to reduce my weight, that the primary, nay the only, way to lose weight is to take on less calories than you use. And so I’m counting calories. I know that the start of any diet is straightforward, but sometime between week two and week three, I’ll start to slip, so I’ll be back here boring you all with my attempts to stay on the straight and narrow.

Now here’s the thing, and I believe the reason for my persistent wagon falling. I’m finding it very difficult to eat enough. I’m eating what I would normally at meals and avoiding most snacking (especially late evening snaking). I’ve been doing this,for 5 days now, and I’ve yet to break into the target band. My weight has ripped a little, but I know that’ll be mostly water. I’m trying to drink 2l + of water a day, but that’s also a struggle.

I’m just considering walking town to the corner shop to buy some beer, but I might just go into the kitchen instead and get some more water. And maybe a wee dram. It’s cold outside.
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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7369 on: 20 January, 2024, 02:25:06 pm »
Its true that you cant outrun a bad diet.
Counting calories has problems as well.

But have a look on youtube for people thriving on low carb high fat or keto or carnivore diets.



Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7371 on: 20 January, 2024, 02:46:28 pm »
Has anyone signed up to Zoe nutrition programme yet?

Here is a podcast on gut health: https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9e9d2f54-6c10-4112-abe3-c33037058b00/49-5-Best-of-Gut-Health-anniversary-edition-mixed.mp3

Missed that post. I signed up and I’m still doing it, although my “membership” comes to an end soon. I have found it really useful. I wasn’t overweight to start with so I did it out of interest and because I was a bit concerned about my sugar intake. Gut health assessment result was “poor”. Everything else (how I handle fat and sugar) was OK, though better for fats. The most useful part of the process, for me, was wearing the glucose monitor. Two of the things that caused the largest blood glucose spikes were porridge and bananas. Porridge surprised me as I had thought it was “slow release” but not so for me. In general, for me, any kind of grain is bad, regardless of form. Even the “healthiest” of mueslis etc. Potatoes: bad.

I now eat much less rice, potato, pasta, porridge, don’t have any kind of cereal, and I eat a lot more nuts, legumes and leafy stuff, amongst other changes that essentially amount to an increase in variety.

[Edited to add: which all may seem elementary, but until I logged and analysed my diet and used the Zoe food scoring, I was not aware of the impact of eating a relatively small amount of “bad” foods even when eating mostly good things. One or two portions of relatively poor quality foods (as per Zoe scoring) is enough to undo a day of eating optimally aside from that portion or two.]

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My main criticism of the Zoe thing is that for the price it really should include a follow-up blood and shite test.

Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7372 on: 20 January, 2024, 04:13:52 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnBakerMD/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRds3IKwIXc&t=1200s

https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos

https://www.youtube.com/@drekberg/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rz-8H_i1wA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4BacckOv98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXYfxmQV2A

You seem inordinately fond of posting YouTube links without giving any context (in general, not just here). I’m far from convinced it’s a reliable source of material, and that goes for most social media.  As for Keto there is already quite a lot on the forum regarding that, and members who follow such a diet.
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Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7373 on: 20 January, 2024, 06:17:26 pm »
Its true that you cant outrun a bad diet.
Counting calories has problems as well.

But have a look on youtube for people thriving on low carb high fat or keto or carnivore diets.
The simple fact is, regardless of how you count it, you have to eat less energy than you use. The simplest, in terms of quantity, way to do that is through calories. There are as with everything in life, caveats. If yiu just found calories, you can easily eat an unhealthy diet and it is incumbent on you to avoid that. Many people would argue that a lot of the restrictive diet plans are inherently unhealthy in the pursuit of simplicity. I am not a dietitian and this refrain from such claims , but will say that in counting calories I am accepting that the diet composition falls to me to control.

This evenings meal of pizza, beer and ice cream sundae was delicious and while without my calorie intake for the day by virtue of fasting, probably does not meet all my dietary needs for the day. I’ll live with that because tomorrow I’ll be back on the sensible eating.
For every complex problem in the world, there is a simple and easily understood solution that’s wrong.

Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
« Reply #7374 on: 31 January, 2024, 07:33:20 am »
It's always the same for me (or so it seems). I decided I needed both to lose weight and exercise more - I seem to have lost the cycling mojo sadly. So 3 weeks ago I started to reduce carbs (no alcohol, less bread, rice and pasta) and start going to the gym. Initial resuts good - dropped 3kg (though some of that is scales swapping). But last week to this - I go up 1kg  :-\.

It's likey the food. The amount my wife survives on is microscopic. She's "helped" by not really liking food that much, but even so.....

Ah well, I've dropped weight before, I'll manage it again, but reduced portions is the way to go.
We are making a New World (Paul Nash, 1918)