Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => Health & Fitness => Topic started by: Whitedown Man on 09 September, 2020, 10:37:53 am
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This weekend I shall be cycling to a venue where I shall need to do a “forehead temperature check” before I enter. Will the fact that I’ve been cycling mean that my body temp will be elevated and I therefore run the risk of failing the test? If so, how long might I have to wait before my body temp drops back to normal?
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I don't think those forehead checks are all that accurate but I did worry about this when I cycled to somewhere that I knew did one.
Once I'd faffed locking my bike with a million locks, and faffed again removing anything stealable (approx ten mins), there didn't appear to be any issues with my temp.
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Had no problem that I'm aware of at a café on sunday, had forgotten to take my casquet off before entering the place an aw.
Didn't think to ask what temp was though, I run quite cold anyway.
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I used one every time I cycled to work the other week, and it gave no problems at all - it's about a 90-second walk from the bike shed - apart from the fact that it seems really picky about where / how you present your face to it. The one at my hospital appointment yesterday had a separate IR temperature monitor to which you had to present the inside of your wrist (without touching), and that seemed much more reliable.
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I cycled about 15km to a hospital appointment in May. My temperature was taken as I entered the building and there was no problem. The reading was almost the same (higher by 0.2° I think, so insignificant) than what I had measured using an ancient mercury thermometer before I left home.
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Are places (in the UK) actually doing this?
I’ve seen talk elsewhere that the proportion of Covid patients who have a significantly elevated temperature at the same time as being well enough to be out and about is too small to make it worthwhile.
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Are places (in the UK) actually doing this?
I went for a meal at a posh restaurant a few weeks ago, and to gain entry you had to stand in front of a screen that took your facial temperature (35.3oC for me).
For my daughter going to various school clubs over the summer they had daily IR forehead temperature checks before being allowed in.
Other than asking questions (which people can always answer with lies - "No, I've had no symptoms" - etc) it's one thing that people can practically do. How effective it is is a completely different matter.
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Are places (in the UK) actually doing this?
I’ve seen talk elsewhere that the proportion of Covid patients who have a significantly elevated temperature at the same time as being well enough to be out and about is too small to make it worthwhile.
Both GP surgeries I've had the pleasure of frequenting recently used a temp check on arrival.
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Are places (in the UK) actually doing this?
I’ve seen talk elsewhere that the proportion of Covid patients who have a significantly elevated temperature at the same time as being well enough to be out and about is too small to make it worthwhile.
It's cheap, fast and easy, so sores highly in terms of 'doing something', even if it's largely ineffective.
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It's cheap, fast and easy, so sores highly in terms of 'doing something', even if it's largely ineffective.
From the people who brought you security theatre, we now have... health theatre...
J
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Wonder how many airport test found people who were poisitive.
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Are places (in the UK) actually doing this?
I’ve seen talk elsewhere that the proportion of Covid patients who have a significantly elevated temperature at the same time as being well enough to be out and about is too small to make it worthwhile.
The elevated temperature is 37.8C for indication, most people wouldn't be able to ignore that.
It's cheap, fast and easy, so sores highly in terms of 'doing something', even if it's largely ineffective.
From the people who brought you security theatre, we now have... health theatre...
J
Oh there's lots of theater (and I don't mean the operating theater) in healthcare...
Ever wondered why AMU consultants are obsessed with digital rectal examinations?
Or why american doctors wander around in scrubs while Scottish ones face the sack for wearing them out with a care setting?
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There's a fancy hairdressers I walk past every week which does it. And my son's new school does it (I'm not sure if because it's education or because the premises are shared with offices). He said "We're all 16 so we'll all fail because our body temperatures are naturally higher. Mary's is constantly 38," but no problems after the first two days (anyway, Mary's at a different school now!).
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you will not get into a hospital in the Uk without it.
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you will not get into a hospital in the Uk without it.
I did yesterday. No sign of any monitoring at Leicester Royal Infirmary.
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I am flabbergasted. The edict supposedly comes from the department of health.
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you will not get into a hospital in the Uk without it.
I did yesterday. No sign of any monitoring at Leicester Royal Infirmary.
Remarkable. Where I work is down to a single entrance with security bods, screening, patients that come in need to be escorted to and from the department, essential people only, no cafe or restaurant for patients etc.
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you will not get into a hospital in the Uk without it.
I did yesterday. No sign of any monitoring at Leicester Royal Infirmary.
Remarkable. Where I work is down to a single entrance with security bods, screening, patients that come in need to be escorted to and from the department, essential people only, no cafe or restaurant for patients etc.
Nope. Parked up. Wandered across site. In through main entrance. Directed through corridors to adjacent building. Up a floor on stairs rather than lift. Past other departments such as Eye Clinic to get to Fracture Clinic.
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you will not get into a hospital in the Uk without it.
You will get into A&E and pathology at our hospital without it.
They are doing Covid triage (no temp check) for A&E but not the hospital main entrance.
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Wonder how many airport test found people who were poisitive.
In the US:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/sep/09/coronavirus-live-news-oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trial-put-on-hold-england-bans-gatherings-over-six?page=with:block-5f592af18f087b90a2990ef4#block-5f592af18f087b90a2990ef4
It said that of 675,000 passengers screened at the 15 airports, “fewer than 15 have been identified as having Covid-19.”
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Besides this basically says it’s pointless
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dont-rely-on-temperature-screening-products-for-detection-of-coronavirus-covid-19-says-mhra
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No health screening temperature check when I visited hospital today (orthopedic outpatient at Victoria Hospital Kirkcaldy Fife Scotland).
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I think they did a temperature check as well as a screening questionnaire when I attended Queen Square for a blood test in July.
Also had to change my mask & sanitise hands.
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you will not get into a hospital in the Uk without it.
I did yesterday. No sign of any monitoring at Leicester Royal Infirmary.
Ours were removed once processes and PPE were in place.
You can wander into the main concourse of the hospital with a face mask on.
If you're going to a clinic (and in the case of that it's only if the clinician believes they have to see you not speak on phone/video) I think that's all that's needed too along with a self assessment, the Aircon is off anyway from what I noticed last time I was down...
If you're being admitted then you'll have been sent for a test at an NHS run site, where an actual NHS staff member will assault* you with a swab, because HCPs don't trust people to assault themselves approrpiately.
A colleagues been working on the testing site at weekends, mostly doing phone calls, explaining to people that if they won't take the test then their 18month RTT is reset is apparently a bit stressful because the sort of people refusing tests are usually primed for being dicks already although some say they've had a test already somewhere else... which means they have to be told the self-swab isn't reliable...
*(there are lots of healthcare processes that without consent would be covered by Assault here)
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If you're being admitted then you'll have been sent for a test at an NHS run site, where an actual NHS staff member will assault* you with a swab, because HCPs don't trust people to assault themselves approrpiately.
There's a huge debate over whether a (relatively gentle) nasal swab is required or whether a nasopharyngeal assault/swab (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasopharyngeal_swab) is required.
The nurse that oversees our weekly/monthly tests for the ONS survey only insists on a nasal swab, so the swab is only going 5mm into the nose rather than 50mm to get to the nasopharnyx.
[EDIT] To be clear, we do the throat swab first. The "only" above applied to the nasal/nasopharyngneal distinction for the second part of the swab.
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If you're being admitted then you'll have been sent for a test at an NHS run site, where an actual NHS staff member will assault* you with a swab, because HCPs don't trust people to assault themselves approrpiately.
There's a huge debate over whether a (relatively gentle) nasal swab is required or whether a nasopharyngeal assault/swab (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasopharyngeal_swab) is required.
The nurse that oversees our weekly/monthly tests for the ONS survey only insists on a nasal swab, so the swab is only going 5mm into the nose rather than 50mm to get to the nasopharnyx.
She should be be following the sampling protocol of the study therefore insisting on two swabs, a nostril swab and a throat swab. She should not be asking for NP swab.
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She should be be following the sampling protocol of the study therefore insisting on two swabs, a nostril swab and a throat swab. She should not be asking for NP swab.
Sorry, the "only" referred to the nasal/nasopharyngnel distinction, we do the throat swab first each time.
Also, the nurse is a he.
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He/she is correctly following the protocol then.
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Yes, that's my point. The ONS is only requesting nasal swabs, yet pretty much every other Covid-19 test (including the drive-through testing) are performing the far more invasive and uncomfortable nasopharyngneal swabs. (On top of the throat swab that's taken first.)
My guess is that the latter is used to make it uncomfortable enough that people don't seek frequent retests (for their own peace of mind) whilst the former are used on the ONS study to ensure people don't bail out of the study.
I'm left wondering if there's any significant difference in the results of nasal vs nasopharyngneal tests (assuming both also take a swab from the back of the throat).
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Yes, that's my point. The ONS is only requesting nasal swabs, yet pretty much every other Covid-19 test (including the drive-through testing) are performing the far more invasive and uncomfortable nasopharyngneal swabs. (On top of the throat swab that's taken first.)
My guess is that the latter is used to make it uncomfortable enough that people don't seek frequent retests (for their own peace of mind) whilst the former are used on the ONS study to ensure people don't bail out of the study.
I'm left wondering if there's any significant difference in the results of nasal vs nasopharyngneal tests (assuming both also take a swab from the back of the throat).
Are you sure ? In the U.K. I thought it was all nostril and OP no NP for all tests including drive through and postal. The phase 1 ONS also took pin prick blood samples from a random subset to check efficacy of sampling protocol.
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The five people I know who've had tests at the drive through places were all throat swab then nasopharyngeal[1] swab.
1. Finally I've managed to spell it properly.
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Perhaps it varies from centre to centre. The ONS believe their self-swabbing sample collection is also “widely used at drive through testing centres”, but “widely used” is not the same as entirety. Certainly it is the protocol for postal tests.
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The ortho hospital here had the usual older hospital volunteers wearing masks instructing people on what to do instead of how to use the stupid machines as usual. My volunteer woman wanted me to use a face to face temperature thing but I didn't understand what she was saying behind her mask or what it was so I thought it was a new letter scanning machine. The volunteer then started trying to physically move me which is really not useful and actually unsafe - I was bigger than her and I'm only 5'3" but she was tiny.
I swear the volunteer was never further than 0.5m from me and she got in the way of me and some clutter the porters had left between temp thing and table of sanitiser and masks so I did actually stumble over that... I'm also not sure about the wiseness of having clearly 65yrs+ older people inna hospital volunteering like this.
At least I know for next time, where I'll stick to my own mask cos surgicals don't work and trying not to ping hearing aid, spex, while trying to get it on was very stressful and difficult. Especially when I went to the loo and realised it was upside down despite the volunteer telling me it was correct.
Why don't patient-use surgical masks have a clearly visual TOP in a different colour/intensity?
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Why don't patient-use surgical masks have a clearly visual TOP in a different colour/intensity?
I think the top edge has a wire stiffener? But yeah, some sort of visual indication would be helpful. Unless it really doesn't matter...
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I've never seen upendedness in the donning and doffing guidance, but then I don't wear them for my job even just now, other forum members do.
It may also be model specific, but I assume we're talking about the basic blue IIR surgical masks.
When I was down at the hospital the other week there was just a table of them at the entrance.
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I've never seen upendedness in the donning and doffing guidance, but then I don't wear them for my job even just now, other forum members do.
It may also be model specific, but I assume we're talking about the basic blue IIR surgical masks.
When I was down at the hospital the other week there was just a table of them at the entrance.
Top edge has wire, bottom edge doesn’t
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Why don't patient-use surgical masks have a clearly visual TOP in a different colour/intensity?
"FRONT TOWARDS ENEMY" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Claymore_mine)
ETA: Dammit, Rule 34 (https://www.redbubble.com/i/mask/Front-Toward-Enemy-yellow-by-jszpila/49452810.9G0D8)
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If it helps, I've cycled 55 miles into my office three or four times over the last month, and have passed the temperature check every time. I don't try to set Strava segment PBs along the Embankment, but am going at a reasonable lick.
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I've never seen upendedness in the donning and doffing guidance, but then I don't wear them for my job even just now, other forum members do.
It may also be model specific, but I assume we're talking about the basic blue IIR surgical masks.
When I was down at the hospital the other week there was just a table of them at the entrance.
Top edge has wire, bottom edge doesn’t
That wasn't very visible while dealing with steamed up glasses and flappy volunteers in my personal space talking to me from behind masks. I'd need to have time, space and PEACE to examine the mask carefully to see that level of difference (possibly a my vision and stability thing). I wasn't expecting to have to change out of the mask I already had.
As it is, I have a nearly FF3 rated mask so I'm not switching next time as this one doesn't steam up my spex and doesn't require me to look through the wrong bit of lens to see.
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You are meant to bend the wire to fit your nose. If you don’t do this (or have the mask upside down) your glasses will steam up which would be an issue if you were wielding a scalpel
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Baratka's main issue (other than poor hands, poor vision, wonky nose, unusually close-fitting glasses, extra hardware attached to the side of her head that doesn't like objects in close proximity and trying to lipread people wittering at her while she tries to work out what she's doing) is lack of ears for masks to attach to...
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The five people I know who've had tests at the drive through places were all throat swab then nasopharyngeal[1] swab.
1. Finally I've managed to spell it properly.
I did the home test swab today. Currently awaiting courier. My sample is in the fridge in the supplied packaging. I’m doing the home test as part of the randomised NHS / Imperial College testing that is being done, not because of symptoms or being asked to be track and trace etc.
First you do a swab from both tonsils, rotating the swab 10 times each. Then you swab each nostril , inserting swab horizontally 1 inch or until you feel resistance. The nose you rotate the swab 5 times each. Then put swab in phial break off end of stick, and screw on lid Then put phial in biohazard bag, seal that etc. These are the instructions from the NHS booklet that comes with the kit. The booklet includes 11 pages of stuff covering how to do it to yourself, how to do it with someone under 18, and young children. Plus a video link to watch before doing swab.
The throat one is uncomfortable and made me gag. The video says if you are not gagging the swab is likely not far enough back. So you just pause between tonsils to get gag out of way then resist gag when doing second tonsil. The nose bit was fine in comparison.
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The five people I know who've had tests at the drive through places were all throat swab then nasopharyngeal[1] swab.
1. Finally I've managed to spell it properly.
I did the home test swab today. Currently awaiting courier. My sample is in the fridge in the supplied packaging. I’m doing the home test as part of the randomised NHS / Imperial College testing that is being done, not because of symptoms or being asked to be track and trace etc.
First you do a swab from both tonsils, rotating the swab 10 times each. Then you swab each nostril , inserting swab horizontally 1 inch or until you feel resistance. The nose you rotate the swab 5 times each. Then put swab in phial break off end of stick, and screw on lid Then put phial in biohazard bag, seal that etc. These are the instructions from the NHS booklet that comes with the kit. The booklet includes 11 pages of stuff covering how to do it to yourself, how to do it with someone under 18, and young children. Plus a video link to watch before doing swab.
The throat one is uncomfortable and made me gag. The video says if you are not gagging the swab is likely not far enough back. So you just pause between tonsils to get gag out of way then resist gag when doing second tonsil. The nose bit was fine in comparison.
Mum (84) did this with Dad (90) earlier this week. She got a 404 the first few times she tried the video linky, but it then worked without her doing anything.
Phoned Angus on the Helldesk in Scotland but he didn't have the booklet.
Mum was Not Amused!
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The throat one is uncomfortable and made me gag. The video says if you are not gagging the swab is likely not far enough back. So you just pause between tonsils to get gag out of way then resist gag when doing second tonsil. The nose bit was fine in comparison.
7 months in and I still haven't had an opportunity to put my suppressing-gag-reflex superpower to use. Long may it continue...
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That wasn't very visible while dealing with steamed up glasses and flappy volunteers in my personal space talking to me from behind masks. I'd need to have time, space and PEACE to examine the mask carefully to see that level of difference (possibly a my vision and stability thing). I wasn't expecting to have to change out of the mask I already had.
As it is, I have a nearly FF3 rated mask so I'm not switching next time as this one doesn't steam up my spex and doesn't require me to look through the wrong bit of lens to see.
A friend recently had to take a flight, at my insistence they had a FFP3 mask on. Without a valve on it. When they got on the plane, the plane staff insisted that the mask wasn't suitable and gave them a standard surgical mask.
She wore the surgical mask over the FFP3...
J