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ElyDave

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Re: what I have learned today.
« Reply #4175 on: 08 March, 2020, 07:25:05 pm »
Shirley the best jungle joke is

What do all the monkeys eat in the jungle?

Gorilla'd cheese sandwiches
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fuaran

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Re: what I have learned today.
« Reply #4176 on: 08 March, 2020, 08:08:28 pm »
You'd have to take a lot of aspirin/ibuprofen to cause stomach or kidney problems, they're relatively safe, whereas even small overdoses of paracetamol can cause fatal hepatotoxicity.
But there is increased risk if your kidneys are stressed already. ie doing exercise, leading to dehydration.
There have been several studies of ultrarunners taking ibuprofen. Seems to be a significantly increased chance of kidney problems.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2017/07/pain-reliever-linked-to-kidney-injury-in-endurance-runners.html

Auntie Helen

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Re: what I have learned today.
« Reply #4177 on: 08 March, 2020, 08:49:48 pm »
I developed an issue with ibuprofen when I was 29 years and taking it for RSI - I ended up with kidney failure which took a year and a half to sort out. I was only taking a couple of Voltarol Tablets a day but it did for me. Also didn’t really help the RSI!
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Kim

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Re: what I have learned today.
« Reply #4178 on: 08 March, 2020, 08:54:25 pm »
Voltarol is diclofenac, which is worse for gastric side effects than ibuprofen.  No idea how it compares kidney-wise.

Davef

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« Reply #4179 on: 08 March, 2020, 09:06:07 pm »
You'd have to take a lot of aspirin/ibuprofen to cause stomach or kidney problems, they're relatively safe, whereas even small overdoses of paracetamol can cause fatal hepatotoxicity.
But there is increased risk if your kidneys are stressed already. ie doing exercise, leading to dehydration.
There have been several studies of ultrarunners taking ibuprofen. Seems to be a significantly increased chance of kidney problems.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2017/07/pain-reliever-linked-to-kidney-injury-in-endurance-runners.html
It was definitely something we were warned about when I did the marathon des sables.


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T42

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Re: what I have learned today.
« Reply #4180 on: 09 March, 2020, 08:22:13 am »
Voltarol is diclofenac, which is worse for gastric side effects than ibuprofen.  No idea how it compares kidney-wise.

It certainly destroys dogs' kidneys, according to our vet.  And vultures' - remember the great 1990s vulture hecatomb in India?
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ian

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« Reply #4181 on: 09 March, 2020, 09:37:56 am »
You'd have to take a lot of aspirin/ibuprofen to cause stomach or kidney problems, they're relatively safe, whereas even small overdoses of paracetamol can cause fatal hepatotoxicity.
But there is increased risk if your kidneys are stressed already. ie doing exercise, leading to dehydration.
There have been several studies of ultrarunners taking ibuprofen. Seems to be a significantly increased chance of kidney problems.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2017/07/pain-reliever-linked-to-kidney-injury-in-endurance-runners.html

These are outliers though, the majority of people tolerate ibuprofen well (better than aspirin), but every drug has side-effects that will be pronounced in individual and special groups (like endurance athletes). One of the reasons that so many things are toxic to obligate carnivores is that their livers and kidneys are already stressed by managing the protein load in their diets (much of which will be deaminated in the liver and the resulting urea excreted by the kidneys). There's no headroom with paracetamol though, anyone who takes a pack or two will likely find themselves in need of a new liver.

I didn't really have much issue getting off the opiates (it's telling nowadays that all my doctors in the US were quite enthusiastic to continue prescribing), but I can totally understand the attraction of popping a few of those as an alternative to real life. Like most people, I kept half a pack back for a bad day.

Beardy

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Re: what I have learned today.
« Reply #4182 on: 09 March, 2020, 11:29:25 am »
That owls have asymmetric ears with one point up and one pointing down. Also, with some species of Owls you can see the back of the owl's eye by looking in its ear. that second one is seriously freaky.
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ElyDave

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« Reply #4183 on: 10 March, 2020, 05:32:41 am »
That's how they can pinpoint their prey, binocular hearing, if that makes sense.

They also have extra bones in their necks, which allows that articulation.
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Cudzoziemiec

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« Reply #4184 on: 10 March, 2020, 09:48:05 am »
That's how they can pinpoint their prey, binocular hearing, if that makes sense.

They also have extra bones in their necks, which allows that articulation.
Binaural?
See also: ambidextrous sight.
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ElyDave

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« Reply #4185 on: 10 March, 2020, 11:59:59 am »
quite, I did think of that word, but wasn's quite sure.
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Kim

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« Reply #4186 on: 10 March, 2020, 12:35:57 pm »
Same process by which we can tell if sounds are in front of us or behind us: Subtle differences in the frequency and phase due to the shape of the outer ear.  Predators tend to have steerable ears and higher frequency response than humans, for better pinpointing of critters.

The really impressive thing about owls is their vestibular system...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/k6M-h5g3PwI&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/k6M-h5g3PwI&rel=1</a>
https://youtu.be/k6M-h5g3PwI

woollypigs

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« Reply #4187 on: 10 March, 2020, 12:41:35 pm »


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#NationalNappingDay: juvenile snow owls often sleep face down on the ground because the weight of their heads means they can't sleep when perched.

This one, pictured in a Japanese wildlife park in 2017, may look like an ex-owl but he is only having a nap. HE IS NOT A DRUNK OWL!!

https://twitter.com/PulpLibrarian/status/1237039268838682624

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T42

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« Reply #4188 on: 10 March, 2020, 01:08:49 pm »
Same process by which we can tell if sounds are in front of us or behind us: Subtle differences in the frequency and phase due to the shape of the outer ear.  Predators tend to have steerable ears and higher frequency response than humans, for better pinpointing of critters.

The really impressive thing about owls is their vestibular system...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/k6M-h5g3PwI&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/k6M-h5g3PwI&rel=1</a>
https://youtu.be/k6M-h5g3PwI

Not to mention their patience.
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Mr Larrington

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« Reply #4189 on: 10 March, 2020, 01:17:59 pm »
And then there is the Burrowing Wol, which is prone to This Sort of Thing:

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Paul

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Re: what I have learned today.
« Reply #4190 on: 10 March, 2020, 01:53:03 pm »


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#NationalNappingDay: juvenile snow owls often sleep face down on the ground because the weight of their heads means they can't sleep when perched.

This one, pictured in a Japanese wildlife park in 2017, may look like an ex-owl but he is only having a nap. HE IS NOT A DRUNK OWL!!

https://twitter.com/PulpLibrarian/status/1237039268838682624
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ElyDave

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« Reply #4191 on: 10 March, 2020, 03:43:18 pm »
I'm just impressed by those feet! Snuggly and grippy at the same time
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T42

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« Reply #4192 on: 10 March, 2020, 03:58:02 pm »
Not to put too much wax lube on a chain. The thing looks as if it's covered in snot.
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Beardy

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Re: what I have learned today.
« Reply #4193 on: 10 March, 2020, 07:21:32 pm »
That's how they can pinpoint their prey, binocular hearing, if that makes sense.

They also have extra bones in their necks, which allows that articulation.
Binaural?
See also: ambidextrous sight.
AIUI it’s not binaural hearing in the same way that most predators have, because there ears actually point up and down. This allows then to locate their prey in 3 dimensions apparently.
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ian

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« Reply #4194 on: 10 March, 2020, 08:56:15 pm »
This is stupid. Everyone knows owls can read minds.

Cudzoziemiec

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« Reply #4195 on: 10 March, 2020, 09:41:51 pm »
That the green woodpecker's tongue is not only incredibly long, it is "back to front and upside down" in comparison with most animals.
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« Reply #4196 on: 11 March, 2020, 09:51:53 pm »
This may have already got mentioned but you can tell when an owl is active by the colour of its eyes. Will be different if it's Nocturnal, diurnal or crepuscula (apologies for spelling)

ElyDave

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Re: what I have learned today.
« Reply #4197 on: 12 March, 2020, 08:03:55 am »
That the green woodpecker's tongue is not only incredibly long, it is "back to front and upside down" in comparison with most animals.


And they also make a hell of a mess when digging in your lawn for ants
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T42

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« Reply #4198 on: 12 March, 2020, 02:45:49 pm »
When you finish using an electric screwdriver, be it only for a couple of minutes, always leave it set to drive.  I just now learnt this after spending five minutes in a stress position, getting a screw between almost inaccessible part A lined up and engaged in invisible and wanting to bugger off part B and then merrily unscrewing it.  And when I pulled the driver back the screw came with and everything went zonk.  Language ensued.
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Cudzoziemiec

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« Reply #4199 on: 13 March, 2020, 02:01:34 pm »
That a blue triangle on a yellow circle as an internationally recognized symbol of civil defence and not, as I'd assumed, purely a Polish government logo (that being the only place I've seen it).
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