Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => Topic started by: Polar Bear on 09 October, 2021, 06:36:40 pm
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I have been going through the rechargeable batteries and lamps recently. And, I ordered an couple of extra Black Diamond camping lantern which are relatively small and run on three aaa cells. I already have one of these lanterns so know what I am getting into.
I was fantasising about a 240v battery pack to power the freezer and the boiler in the event of power cuts but it's a bit of overkill really especially so as there are no expensive sides of beef or pork or even a turkey for Christmas as we don't eat meat at the moment.
We have grch so a power cut will turn the boiler off. Fortunately the two gas fires downstairs are still connected and work so we can keep warm. And, the cooker is gas so other than matches ...
Anybody else prepared or even bothered?
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We've got a sufficiency of torches and bike lights and so forth. And an 800Wh e-bike battery and a couple of 50Wh power tool batteries that can provide USB power.
Most critical systems are on a UPS that's good for about an hour, except for those fed from the downstairs comms rack, which has been awaiting delivery of a UPS for months due to brexit, and the fire alarm, which has its own battery that should last for over a day.
Gas hob and a sufficiency of camping stoves, but the boiler requires mains power. I have an inverter which is probably up to the job, but it requires 12V from the car I haven't got. Lack of running hot water is going to turn to type 2 fun very quickly given barakta's current hygiene situation. Lack of a sufficiency of cold water is well into type 3 fun.
The fridge can stay shut in the event of a power cut. It's usually got several litres of milk and orange juice in it, so that's a decent amount of thermal mass.
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We live in the middle of nowhere in rural Wales, so yes...
We always have several charged torches, lamps, etc., and several reasonably meaty powerbanks so we can keep mobile devices charged. My phone (Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 pro) lasts at least 3 days on a charge. Mind you, round here the phone signal is a bit sketchy, and I'm unconvinced as to our fibre only landline working with no mains. It does have a battery backup in the modem box, but its BT, so I don't trust it to work.
We have a logpile, and a wood burning stove, but we generally have oil fired central heating, which of course needs mains elec to work. The house does have a generator input socket, but we don't as yet have a generator. I'm hopeful that with the aid of a generator, the solar PV could be persuaded that we had mains, so could play its part in supplying electricity, but of course on dismal days it may only do a few hundred watts.
We always keep a healthy supply of food in the house, because the nearest shops are 12 miles away and they're crap, so effectively its 25 miles or so. I did notice that our supply of Tunnocks caramel wafers was critically low, as we only have about 20 packs left. We have gas fired camping stoves, and an effing great propane cylinder which will run one of them for a long time.
Kim's mention of an inverter does remind me that I've got one, and we have two ickle cars, so I wonder if they could be persuaded to fool the PV system that we have mains, via the input socket, or at least be able to charge a laptop or run the desktop PC.
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Two woodburners, LPG hob , firepit , full logstore and plenty of candles which were purchased for the 3 Day week by in laws.
Can always go to bed or sit in the camper.
Will Boris be brave enough to order the Grid to fire up some of the Trent valley coal burning power stations to avoid any outages?
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Main problem would be heating. The gas boiler needs the electricity to light it. Same for cooker, don’t think it has battery backup like cookers of old. Do have matches or steel strike for a spark. So no heating or hot food (maybe in latter case). Have camping stoves. Have various torches and candles about. If gas goes then no heating or cooking other than camping stokes.
House does retain the heat though. When gas cut off for a month (due to broken pipe beyond property that took them ages to sort) many years ago. The lowest temp the house dropped to in winter was 13C.
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Re landlines not working - they will. They run on a 24dc battery back-up.
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Bottle of meths so I can use my Trangia, and a gas canister for the little camping stove. That's drinks and heating simple food items sorted out.
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With somewhere north of 400 bottles of gin I’m not sure I’m going to care if the power goes out.
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Very well prepared, plenty of batteries, gas cooker, camping gear, wood.
Mrs ED has been cornering the market in tinned pulses and we have tubs full of dried as well (she's of Indian background) so we won't starve over a couple of days. Depending on the state of the freezer though, I may need to be roasting meat over another fire.
Plus the veg patch
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Trangia and fuel. Hurricane lamp and paraffin. Manually charged LED lamps. Battery operated LED lamps. Candles from the last one. Pasta and pulses. Lots of tins of things various, sleeping bags and quilts. Barbeque kettle, We will get by.
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With somewhere north of 400 bottles of gin I’m not sure I’m going to care if the power goes out.
Buys train ticket to Iansville.
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Also:
<fingers in ears> la la la I can't hear you </fingers>
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Ooh the happy days of Ted Heath. Its all coming back to me, 3 day week, unnanounced power outages, share a bath with a friend, a pay rise every month.......Now why did we join the EU?
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This is what burkshit is all about. No?
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In the days of Ted Heath or Harold Wilson virtually no one worked with a computer, or at home, and even typewriters were usually manual. Zoinks to the economic knock-ons of a prolonged power cut nowadays. Plus I'm remembering another thread where some people (ian, Regulator?) were talking about how hospital emergency generators basically don't work.
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Has PB moved to Beirut?
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I reckon the chaos really sets in when the cell sites run out of backup power.
The Great Silly Oak Substation Fire suggests that this is of the order of hours, rather than days. They're not sheds full of batteries like in the 1990s
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Power cuts here are so infrequent and short that I don't care.
Do you live somewhere with a bad history of power outages?
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Not yet.
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Power cuts here are so infrequent and short that I don't care.
Do you live somewhere with a bad history of power outages?
Here in Outer Suburbia, my power outages occur about once per year and vary in length.
My gas central heating is mains dependant we'd get cold and have no hot water. (How I miss my tank!)
I can light the gas hob with a match and we have a stove-top kettle too (just for outages).
I'm not safe with candles so I'd sit in the dark or maybe use a torch.
Fridge & freezer would be left closed. I have some andline phones that are not mains dependant.
I'd lose my broadband unless I can tether my laptop to D's phone. Have thick duvets.
E-on is aware I have mobility issues and store medication in the fridge; this gives me some priority but I know not how much.
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With somewhere north of 400 bottles of gin I’m not sure I’m going to care if the power goes out.
Buys train ticket to Iansville.
:thumbsup:
Except it is in Here Be Bears
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Perhaps the real question should be "Utilities too expensive to use: Are you prepared?"
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Or, Do you have enough gin?
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The future is Gin Stoves.
Do you have one?
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Very much like Helly we're marked down as vulnerable due to Mrs M's issues, but I doubt that moves us up the heap for any assistance.
Heating is the main issue, we're on the usual gas fired, electric pumped boiler.
Cooking we could do for a day or two on the camping stove I've got stashed away (with spare canisters), and there's another stove at the allotment.
Lighting would be by torches and bike lights.
We've got a small hand cranked radio/light/USB-charger combo for entertainment & exercise.
The freezer, although we'll stocked, would stay firmly closed.
We have blankets & duvets (and our love to keep us warm {yuk})
I think we'd be OK for a couple of days, but not if its the zombie apocalypse.
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Two Camping Gaz lamps and two stoves (with a few spare canisters) are near the door of the shed :thumbsup:
The only mains gas we use is for CH/HW ... and the latter has a large-ish tank so can wash.
For all that I'm optimistic that power cuts will be few and far between.
AND a son-in-law is a biggish-wig at the nuclear power inspectorate, I'll ask him to put in a word about maintining supplies to SuA ;D ;D
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I've got some candles left over from the 70,s and camping cooking gear. Plenty of sleeping bags, tents and trikes. The only thing I want to get sometime is a camping water filter :)
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Wood burner (can also heat water, slowly, if placed on top).
Conventional stored hot water CH so intermittent power cuts aren't a problem. Obviously gas CH - unless it's from the Cretaceous period - won't run without electricity for the boiler fan/controls and the pump.
Candles and rechargeable lights.
The fridge and freezer are the main problems. Oh, and no Internet, so I'd better get on eBay and find a good deal on back issues of Razzle.
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I can light the gas hob with a match and we have a stove-top kettle too (just for outages).
We too, although for us it's our daily boiler.
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My main preparation is that I live in a country that is part of the worlds largest peace project, where mutual assistance between countries is enshrined in it's founding principles. Allowing for good connectivity between the countries so that we can share power if needed.
In the unlikely event that there was an issue with the gas supply, I do have my camp stoves if I needed. My heating is city heat, which does rely on electricity to run the kit in the basement, but if there was a fault a few thousand of us would be cold, which would encourage rapid fixing.
While I am not young enough to remember the power issues of the 70's. My family at the time lived very close to the local hospital. Sufficiently close that their side of the street was on the same power sub station, so while the other side of the road would lose power, the side my family lived on did not.
I have a pair of 3KVA 2U UPSen that are currently fully charged. Last year there was a power outage in the building for a day while they did maintenance on the building's power (installing smart meters for everyone). I ran the internet router and my laptop off the UPSen, and was able to carry on seemingly without noticing. I also have my makita 18v work light if needed...
But, I think the main thing that I highly recommend to reduce stress about these things is being part of the worlds largest peace project. No need to worry about self imposed economic sanctions. Continent wide systems to moderate the energy prices. Have you lot across the water considered it?
J
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Power cuts here are so infrequent and short that I don't care.
Do you live somewhere with a bad history of power outages?
Have you considered buying a newspaper?
J
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I'd presume that being marked as vulnerable gives you some priority in issues that can be fixed on a per-premises basis, but it's not going to make any difference in a lack of power situation. Unless all the Vulnerables were moved in next to each other, a Vulnerable Ghetto in each town. It's possible Priti Patel is working on this already...
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Power cuts here are so infrequent and short that I don't care.
Do you live somewhere with a bad history of power outages?
Have you considered buying a newspaper?
J
Useful for drying shoes but not much good for heating and cooking. Or were you anticipating another Great Bog Roll Panic?
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I'd presume that being marked as vulnerable gives you some priority in issues that can be fixed on a per-premises basis, but it's not going to make any difference in a lack of power situation. Unless all the Vulnerables were moved in next to each other, a Vulnerable Ghetto in each town. It's possible Priti Patel is working on this already...
Yes and no.
Typically UK houses are single phase powered. There are three phases in the ground, with phase 1 going to one house, phase 2, the next and phase 3 the next, and then back to 1. This means that if you know which phase your vulnerable household is on, you can do the rolling black out to say, phases 1 and 3, but leave 2 up. Tho in practice it's a lot more complicated than that.
I don't know if it's the same now, but 6 years ago when I was a Emergency Response Volunteer with a certain international charity's UK branch, when there was a power cut, we got called out, and would go round to those the council knew to be vulnerable, and drop off things like a thermos of hot water, some bottled water, etc...
J
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I have been discussing this with Kent daughter.
She has been stocking up on candles, has bought thermal underwear for the children, and is generally anticipating mayhem. She is also considering fitting shutters to the house. They add greatly to the insulation and provide a line of defence when law and order breaks down and oiks with guns are roaming the streets.
A leccy outage would put a stop to all our domestic appliances: induction hob, gas ch with leccy pump. We would have hot water if power cuts occurred in the 9 sunniest months, but of course that is when it is least likely.
We have a small collection of camping stoves which run off gas or paraffin. I have a couple of Tilley lamps in the garage but I think they both need major overhauls. I haven’t used them for years. I don’t know if parts are still available.
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I thought (my EE is a bit rusty) the phases needed to be somewhat balanced. Switching them on and off independently isn’t how the system was designed.
In any case, I imagine the planning of which bits to switch is more on the level of here’s a hospital, here’s somewhere that goes bang, here’s big infrastructure, here’s houses. Any 1000 houses probably has one or two on a list of vulnerable people.
Like others, I can probably get by with no electricity or no gas for a bit. Neither would be less comfortable and my camping fuel supply isn’t big. Though, my memory of the 70s is that we had candles out some evenings, not all week. Are we expecting worse?
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Everything in my flat is electric :facepalm: I have a couple of battery powered lanterns, a couple of those dual ring gas burners & fuel for them. Some big plastic jerry cans for water storage & purifying tablets. Can't do anything about heating other than wrap up or huddle over a candle. Comms & internet via the mobile powered by a 26800 maAh battery pack.
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I thought (my EE is a bit rusty) the phases needed to be somewhat balanced. Switching them on and off independently isn’t how the system was designed.
In any case, I imagine the planning of which bits to switch is more on the level of here’s a hospital, here’s somewhere that goes bang, here’s big infrastructure, here’s houses. Any 1000 houses probably has one or two on a list of vulnerable people.
Like others, I can probably get by with no electricity or no gas for a bit. Neither would be less comfortable and my camping fuel supply isn’t big. Though, my memory of the 70s is that we had candles out some evenings, not all week. Are we expecting worse?
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Well, if the gubbishment has done it's risk and issue management and come up with comprehensive, workable, reliable, effective plans for managing potential power outages, then no ...
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Everything in my flat is electric :facepalm: I have a couple of battery powered lanterns, a couple of those dual ring gas burners & fuel for them. Some big plastic jerry cans for water storage & purifying tablets. Can't do anything about heating other than wrap up or huddle over a candle. Comms & internet via the mobile powered by a 26800 maAh battery pack.
The aged pa not-in law lives in an all electric flat. I've been giving thought to how we support him if we end up with extended power outages. No heat, hot water or ability to cook.
The pandemic has left us with one bedroom and one office cum store room instead of two bedrooms and we don't even have a guest bed as such any more. There is potential to put him in our bedroom and we would move into the front room with the comfy big Exped camping mattress on the floor but ironically we would get the warmer room which still has a gas fire in this instance. I don't see him bunkering down on the camping mattress though.
Lots to think about.
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I thought (my EE is a bit rusty) the phases needed to be somewhat balanced. Switching them on and off independently isn’t how the system was designed.
In any case, I imagine the planning of which bits to switch is more on the level of here’s a hospital, here’s somewhere that goes bang, here’s big infrastructure, here’s houses. Any 1000 houses probably has one or two on a list of vulnerable people.
Like others, I can probably get by with no electricity or no gas for a bit. Neither would be less comfortable and my camping fuel supply isn’t big. Though, my memory of the 70s is that we had candles out some evenings, not all week. Are we expecting worse?
My electricity knowledge is Physics O level but that was my understanding. It's also what I've read from accounts by people who remember those power cuts, as well as fitting with what QG said about her childhood home.
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In the event of prolonged outages I shall emulate Simon here:
(https://pics.me.me/simon-burns-conservatives-great-praxis-simon-32625218.png)
This will serve for:
- Heating, and
- Lighting, and
- Entertainment
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Typically UK houses are single phase powered. There are three phases in the ground, with phase 1 going to one house, phase 2, the next and phase 3 the next, and then back to 1. This means that if you know which phase your vulnerable household is on, you can do the rolling black out to say, phases 1 and 3, but leave 2 up. Tho in practice it's a lot more complicated than that.
I'm struggling to imagine a situation where you'd do it that way. Transformer efficiency suffers if the phases aren't balanced, and disconnecting entire phases is a great way to blow fuses. None of which you want when power is in short supply. I suppose you might power individual phases from a generator, but any generator big enough to reasonably power multiple houses is likely to be three-phase anyway.
Rolling blackouts would surely be area-wide, as that's the level of control they have without sending out the people in orange hi-vis.
If a vulnerable person were dependent on an electricity supply, they're more likely to rock up with a generator or put them up in a hotel than mess about running a three-phase distribution system as individual phases.
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But, I think the main thing that I highly recommend to reduce stress about these things is being part of the worlds largest peace project. No need to worry about self imposed economic sanctions. Continent wide systems to moderate the energy prices. Have you lot across the water considered it?
Every day since some time in about 2016... >:(
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I can fire up the gas cooker without electricity.
I've just ordered a hob kettle from John Lewis.
So I'll be able to cook and have some hot water.
Lighting courtesy of half a dozen Hope Vision 1s.
ETA - I've enough tinned/dried food that I don't need to leave the house for at least a couple of months.
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But, I think the main thing that I highly recommend to reduce stress about these things is being part of the worlds largest peace project. No need to worry about self imposed economic sanctions. Continent wide systems to moderate the energy prices. Have you lot across the water considered it?
Every day since some time in about 2016... >:(
2015. When Cameron was re-elected and announced he would be holding a Brexit referendum. From that moment, Farage, Putin and Franco were PM, Home Sec and ForSec (positions interchangeable).
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Back in the three day week days my Dad molished an inverter which ran off a car battery. This gave sufficient uptime to the central heating ( gas fired, gravity circulation) during power cuts to ensure Mum's onboard thermostat remained un tripped.
Sadly/foolishly I binned it when we cleared the house.
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Power cuts here are so infrequent and short that I don't care.
Do you live somewhere with a bad history of power outages?
Have you considered buying a newspaper?
J
No.
But I presume you are suggesting I might have no awareness of the current situation.
That is not the case; but I have risk-assessed my personal situation and have come to the conclusion that it is not yet necessary to take additional precautions.
I have a gas hob for cooking, wood-burners for domestic heat, and 300l of hot water.
I might suffer a loss of internets, because I shit-canned my UPSes some years back, because they were less reliable than the mains they were backing up. So be it.
That might change if the situation changes
It's going to take Lebanon or India type power outages for me to want to become a survivalist.
And I can't see that on the horizon, yet.
Your personal situation and risk assessment may differ.
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I was chatting to a guy with a bike and a camper van at Crowborough Campsite this morning. It seems that his campervan, which is pretty old, is a recent acquisition. Although it has a calor gas stove, he wasn't supplied with a cylinder. He told me that Calor aren't currently taking on new customers, so no cylinder to trade in, no gas.
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We tried to buy some Calor gas over the summer bank holiday weekend.
We ended up at a campsite which claimed to stock the stuff and got their last full cylinder. Apparently getting the gas was almost impossible back then. National shortage.
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Typically UK houses are single phase powered. There are three phases in the ground, with phase 1 going to one house, phase 2, the next and phase 3 the next, and then back to 1. This means that if you know which phase your vulnerable household is on, you can do the rolling black out to say, phases 1 and 3, but leave 2 up. Tho in practice it's a lot more complicated than that.
I'm struggling to imagine a situation where you'd do it that way. Transformer efficiency suffers if the phases aren't balanced, and disconnecting entire phases is a great way to blow fuses. None of which you want when power is in short supply. I suppose you might power individual phases from a generator, but any generator big enough to reasonably power multiple houses is likely to be three-phase anyway.
Rolling blackouts would surely be area-wide, as that's the level of control they have without sending out the people in orange hi-vis.
If a vulnerable person were dependent on an electricity supply, they're more likely to rock up with a generator or put them up in a hotel than mess about running a three-phase distribution system as individual phases.
Going back to 1972 where I then lived (Leyton, East London) there were planned power cuts (or "notified" times) with an element of sharing across the district. Annoyingly a bloke that worked for me lived in the next street to Whipps Cross Hospital and had no power cuts at all - presumably he was on the same circuit as the hospital.
During the 3-day week period a couple of years later I don't recollect power cuts (my business/factory was in Walthamstow then, very close to Larrington Towers) - you just weren't allowed to use electricity for businesses for specified days, it changed week and week about for about a month if my memory serves me correctly.
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Have usual camping gear, & recently bought some campingaz refills for the portable gas single burner. Have gas left in a 907 cyclinder for double burner/grill. Quite a few headtorches, decathlon LED lights & lanterns which last for ages on AA batteries. Also a megapack of tea light candles. Hopefully not needed. Could always get the neighbours to recharge things using their solar electric. ;)
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Could always get the neighbours to recharge things using their solar electric. ;)
Probably not, as most domestic solar installations don't have island-capable inverters and appropriate isolation switching. For safety reasons[1] they automatically stop as soon as they lose grid power. It keeps costs down, but you do start to wonder if it's actually a good idea...
[1] The last thing the people in orange hi-vis want is for a supposedly dead circuit to turn out not to be.
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Has anyone any experience with one of those Goal Zero Yetis or Jackery thingamabobbers?
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But but, Corporal Johnson keeps saying 'Don't panic, don't panic...' so what's the problem?
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Has anyone any experience with one of those Goal Zero Yetis or Jackery thingamabobbers?
That looks like an ideal alternative to Neil Hood's Infernal Combustion Engine (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=113381.msg2540365#msg2540365), if they didn't cost squillions of dollarpounds...
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We've got gas central heating, but if the electric's out, then it would get colder. But probably not too cold, being on the south coast, rather than up north.
I could always see about getting V2H installed, to then power the flat from the car. 40kW should keep things running for a bit.
Assuming I've got the car charged up fully beforehand of course.
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We've got gas central heating, but if the electric's out, then it would get colder. But probably not too cold, being on the south coast, rather than up north.
I could always see about getting V2H installed, to then power the flat from the car. 40kW should keep things running for a bit.
Assuming I've got the car charged up fully beforehand of course.
Adam, your gas central heating almost certainly relies on an electric pump to circulate the water, without power to the pump my boiler won't light.
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Just finished installing solid fuel burner in one room. Need to build a wood store and get wood delivered.
Backup gas cooker already installed in utility room.
It is unlikely that the island would be affected by blackouts in winter (due to fuel shortages). Generally, the island exports 'lecky, due to all the big turbines.
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I'm just going to bring the BBQ indoors. Nothing can go wrong there.
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I'm just going to bring the BBQ indoors. Nothing can go wrong there.
You'll need a recipe (https://recipes.sainsburys.co.uk/recipes/grilled-avocado-with-houmous), then.
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I'm just going to bring the BBQ indoors. Nothing can go wrong there.
You'll need a recipe (https://recipes.sainsburys.co.uk/recipes/grilled-avocado-with-houmous), then.
I was thinking more along these lines (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13684.msg342696;topicseen#msg342696).
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I mentioned that there used to be a barbers around the back of Norwood Malfunction train station that did this. It was a successful route to, I'm sure, very nice jerk chicken until it wasn't and now there isn't a barbers there (seems to have been rebuilt as a solicitors, probably with a line in suing people for indoor barbecuing).
Back in pre-gentrification SE4, there was a similar incident, there was a make-shift cafe made out of random bits of wood by the train bridge on Mantle Road that used to do chicken and drugs. In summer they'd do the chicken outside. In winter, well, who wants to be cold. Admittedly, it could have been a guerilla operation by National Rail or the Met, who periodically used to remove the structure (amusingly, they'd usually wait around afterwards while they cooked up some fresh chicken for them). Generally took them a day to rebuild and start again. Now the site of wanky overpriced flats, of course.
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I am reminded of your tale ^ twice daily, as I pass by there on the Ginger Line.
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I have a notion that camping stoves give off sufficient Carbon Monoxide that you should not use them indoors...
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I have a notion that camping stoves give off sufficient Carbon Monoxide that you should not use them indoors...
No worse that a paraffin heater. Best not to use without some form of ventilation, which may defeat the object. Now, where are those tins of stew with the chemical heater in the base.
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I have a notion that camping stoves give off sufficient Carbon Monoxide that you should not use them indoors...
Gas should be fine. Alcohol, maybe. Paraffin/petril/hexamine/wood/charcoal/etc are a bad idea, especially the explodey ones.
I'd want a carbon monoxide detector (that didn't depend on mains electricity) and some ventilation.
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Back in April of either 1980 or 1981 there was a freak snowfall which flooded our local transformer and left our street without electricity for a week. As our house was all electric, my dad went out and got a twin-burner stove and bottle of calor gas, the sort of thing you'd have in a caravan. Nobody died or got rosy fingers. Not that we had a CO detector, of course (who would've had one in 1981?). But after all, it's just a gas hob. I also remember that we went to the chip shop a lot.
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Fired up the gas Morso to see if it still works ( the ignition ) no need for electricity . As long as gas is being pumped round the network we are OK. Lets hope that we don't have another big freeze like the last one with weeks of no or very light winds. How much tidal or wave generating do we have. King coal may have to return for making gas.(https://i.imgur.com/kg1FctR.jpg)
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When I lived in the US the power was on and off all the time – in part because overhead lines that surrendered to so much of a stiff breeze, iffy nuclear reactors (don't kick them, even if you're told it's safe), and the deregulation of energy markets and all hail Enron.
But I had the obligatory beer cooler, so I was good.
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It seems that EV manufacturers have missed a trick rather by not adding a commando socket to the car so that you can tap the battery for power in the event of a power cut. I've got an inverter somewhere that plugs into the cigarette lighter socket but that would connect to the 12V rather than the traction battery, so it's doubtful that it would be able to support a small induction hob.
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It seems that EV manufacturers have missed a trick rather by not adding a commando socket to the car so that you can tap the battery for power in the event of a power cut. I've got an inverter somewhere that plugs into the cigarette lighter socket but that would connect to the 12V rather than the traction battery, so it's doubtful that it would be able to support a small induction hob.
I think they're slowly starting to realise that a decent spec AC inverter fed from the main battery is something that people want. Possibly as an optional extra.
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The electric Ford F-150 pick-up has such an inverter. In fact it’s explicitly specced to be able to power a house in a power cut for manly manliness reasons.
You can get about 5 usable amps from a lighter socket, 10 if you enjoy the smell of melty plastic. You’re not going to cook anything on 120 watts.
For an induction hob you’ll likely need a 2000 watt continuous rated inverter and some very solid connections. Between the 12V battery and the DC-DC in am EV you ought to be able to get enough amps.
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The Shitbox Dodge I hired in Canuckistan in 2018 had an inverter, complete with mains-stylee socket built into one of the door pillars, though even emitting feeble Leftpondian-spec voles I doubt it would have powered anything useful for long without the engine running.
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Lit the solid fuel stove last night for the first time. Pleased to report that it works well - heated a 15x11 room on 3 logs. Freezing is now optional.
I wonder if the price of firewood has risen commensurately with the price of building materials?
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It's gone up, but not by anything like as much. 700kg of ash is about £370, up from £270 seven years ago. Plenty of free logs on Faecebook if you buy for next year (or two ysars' time).
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We have a fair supply of wood from last year in the woodshed.
At the moment we chew through it in the Pizza Oven more than the woodburner, which has not been sparked up since early Spring.
I guess my Plan B for the Zombie Appocalypse involves a lot of pizza.
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It seems that EV manufacturers have missed a trick rather by not adding a commando socket to the car so that you can tap the battery for power in the event of a power cut. I've got an inverter somewhere that plugs into the cigarette lighter socket but that would connect to the 12V rather than the traction battery, so it's doubtful that it would be able to support a small induction hob.
I think they're slowly starting to realise that a decent spec AC inverter fed from the main battery is something that people want. Possibly as an optional extra.
I'm sure that build is to price so any such inverter installation can be had at a price. The newest Hyundai and Kia offerings do come with a gadget (might be an optional extra) to allow for 240v feed back through the charging socket. Given the size of ev batteries now this has to be a viable option.
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It's gone up, but not by anything like as much. 700kg of ash is about £370, up from £270 seven years ago. Plenty of free logs on Faecebook if you buy for next year (or two ysars' time).
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We have a fair supply of wood from last year in the woodshed.
At the moment we chew through it in the Pizza Oven more than the woodburner, which has not been sparked up since early Spring.
I guess my Plan B for the Zombie Appocalypse involves a lot of pizza.
Lots of possibilities: pizza kuru, baked brains on toast...