Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => OT Knowledge => Topic started by: Kathy on 21 May, 2008, 09:25:38 am
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Can the word "zeroise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroise)" be used to mean "set the number(s) in the spreadsheet to zero"?
If not, is there a better word for it?
And even if it can, can I still slap the person who persistently uses it in this context? >:(
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Yes. Along with those misguided souls who think "leverage" is a verb.
As Mr Larrington would put it, "burn them all and use the Lighthouse Family as kindling".
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Can the word "zeroise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroise)" be used to mean "set the number(s) in the spreadsheet to zero"?
No.
If not, is there a better word for it?
What's wrong with 'zero' as a verb?
And even if it can, can I still slap the person who persistently uses it in this context? >:(
Ohhh yuss </Churchill>
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How about "null"?
And as for anyone who uses "zeroise" - I'm not normally in favour of corporal punishment, but...
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What is wrong with carrying out a zeroisation of the figures?
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Yes. Along with those misguided souls who think "leverage" is a verb.
As Mr Larrington would put it, "burn them all and use the Lighthouse Family as kindling".
ITYM "shoot them and burn the bodies, using the Lighthouse Family as kindling"
</pendant>
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That's the one :D
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"Set to zero" is best. Or "zero". Or "annul", if you're feeling racy, or just possibly "nullify". "Reset" in a spreadsheet is implicitly to zero, I'd have thought.
Zeroise -- and I say this as one who has proved my own Nullstellensatz, and should know---is Not A Word.
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Yes. Along with those misguided souls who think "leverage" is a verb.
As Mr Larrington would put it, "burn them all and use the Lighthouse Family as kindling".
ITYM "shoot them and burn the bodies, using the Lighthouse Family as kindling"
</pendant>
He may be in favour of hanging them first! ;D
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Nullify?
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Nullify?
Null is not the same as zero. In IT it usually means 'not known'. For instance a zero cell in a spreadsheet used to store a credit limit could have a different meaning to one that is blank (nuul).
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http://www.anothercyclingforum.com/index.php?topic=39500
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Sorry, I'm not allowed there any more. :(
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What's wrong with 'zero' as a verb?
Nothing except the confidence of the writer that it will be interpreted as a verb. The cheesy "-ize" suffix clearly denotes that this is not a quantitude but an enverbulation.
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Sorry, I'm not allowed there any more. :(
cos all her posts are now YACFized ;D ;D ;D ;D
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What is wrong with carrying out a zeroisation of the figures?
Because it's spelled with a "zee" :sick:
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Anyone condoning the use of such revolting neologisms as "zeroise" :sick: wants badly to be sent to the camps for re-education.
Possibly involving an overclocked cattle prod.
</BOFH>
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Can the word "zeroise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroise)" be used to mean "set the number(s) in the spreadsheet to zero"?
No, it isn't a word >:(
Putting "ise" on the end of a word to create a brand new management word is not big or clever, it's just plain wrong.
>:(
If not, is there a better word for it?
I'm tempted to suggest Floccinaucinihilipilification but that would just be silly.
What's wrong with "Set to zero"?
And even if it can, can I still slap the person who persistently uses it in this context? >:(
You can only slap them if you utilise a large, splinter prone wooden club with 6" nails sticking out of the business end of it.
:thumbsup:
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Putting "ise" on the end of a word to create a brand new management word is not big or clever, it's just plain wrong.
>:(
You can only slap them if you utilise a large, splinter prone wooden club with 6" nails sticking out of the business end of it.
:thumbsup:
Is there any justification for the word "utilise" over the word "use"? (I can't think of one, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.)
He burgles, she burgles, they burgle. No-one should ever burglarise/burglarize.
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What's wrong with "Set to zero"?
Works for me, especially as I'm playing with a slide rule inbetween spasms of work. Gotta prepare for the EMP-and-then-you-need-Science zombocalypse. :thumbsup:
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Putting "ise" on the end of a word to create a brand new management word is not big or clever, it's just plain wrong.
>:(
You can only slap them if you utilise a large, splinter prone wooden club with 6" nails sticking out of the business end of it.
:thumbsup:
Is there any justification for the word "utilise" over the word "use"? (I can't think of one, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.)
He burgles, she burgles, they burgle. No-one should ever burglarise/burglarize.
Isn't that utiliZe?
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<H. G. Wells>
In the Country of the Blind, the one-eyed man is King. Everyone else has zeroise.
</H.G. Wells>
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<H. G. Wells>
In the Country of the Blind, the one-eyed man is King. Everyone else has zeroise.
</H.G. Wells>
<HMHB>
In the Kingdom of the Bland
It's nine o'clock on ITV
</HMHB>
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Ouch.
Worse, a complete neologism from zero and nix - zix. "Zix those cells" :)
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Sorry, I'm not allowed there any more. :(
Can't you just click on it and read the topic without logging in? Would have saved a lot of typing here ... ;)
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Sorry, I'm not allowed there any more. :(
Can't you just click on it and read the topic without logging in? Would have saved a lot of typing here ... ;)
But I couldn't search to see the topic.
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Most annoying not being able to search the old place - a very odd change to require a log-in before you can search.
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"Zero" or "set to zero" would be much better than "zeroi(s/z)e".
But (burn me! with our without kindling!) I can't see much wrong with "leverage" as a verb. As I understand it, it's used to mean "take the opportunity of our advantageous situation in order to gain a great deal more than we normally would be able to". As such it nicely encompasses the idea of levers to multiply input.
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I can't see much wrong with "leverage" as a verb.
Aaaarrrgghhhh!!!! My eyes!!!
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We should use the 'tare' word more.
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"Zero" or "set to zero" would be much better than "zeroi(s/z)e".
But (burn me! with our without kindling!) I can't see much wrong with "leverage" as a verb. As I understand it, it's used to mean "take the opportunity of our advantageous situation in order to gain a great deal more than we normally would be able to". As such it nicely encompasses the idea of levers to multiply input.
When used that way as a noun, it's a perfectly good word. The verb is to lever; if you lever something you are using/applying leverage.
I guess that if you used leverage as a verb then you would end up with leveragaciousness as the result ;)
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"Zero" or "set to zero" would be much better than "zeroi(s/z)e".
But (burn me! with our without kindling!) I can't see much wrong with "leverage" as a verb. As I understand it, it's used to mean "take the opportunity of our advantageous situation in order to gain a great deal more than we normally would be able to". As such it nicely encompasses the idea of levers to multiply input.
When used that way as a noun, it's a perfectly good word. The verb is to lever; if you lever something you are using/applying leverage.
I guess that if you used leverage as a verb then you would end up with leveragaciousness as the result ;)
I would use the term "to zero"
To recalibrate something from scratch
Military term
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"Zero" or "set to zero" would be much better than "zeroi(s/z)e".
But (burn me! with our without kindling!) I can't see much wrong with "leverage" as a verb. As I understand it, it's used to mean "take the opportunity of our advantageous situation in order to gain a great deal more than we normally would be able to". As such it nicely encompasses the idea of levers to multiply input.
When used that way as a noun, it's a perfectly good word. The verb is to lever; if you lever something you are using/applying leverage.
I guess that if you used leverage as a verb then you would end up with leveragaciousness as the result ;)
But I don't think leverage as a verb is used with the same meaning as to lever. At least, I've only ever heard lever as a verb used in a physical or mathematical sense, not in the business/political/military situations that "leverage" tends to occur in.
Of course it is an Americanism (which I suspect is a factor in why many people dislike it ;)) and Americans do (why?) tend to go for the longer, more complex form when there is often a simpler version already extant, so it could be that "leverage" has simply replaced "lever" in these areas. But I feel it wasn't used much in that way.
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Of course it is an Americanism (which I suspect is a factor in why many people dislike it ;))
I dislike that usage because it's wrong. There is no verb in the English (or American) language "to leverage", because leverage is a noun.
But that's not the real issue - the migration of nouns or adjectives to verb status is quite accepted - to green something, or to tarmac it. It's that the word has "age" on the end of it. It's a word that already describes the result of using, or action of using, or advantage of using a lever. Not the use of the lever itself. The verb is "to lever" and the result of doing it is "leverage". Those business/military people could talk of "applying leverage", or they could ask how much leverage there was. That'd be fine :)
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So it seems we agree on the meaning of the word. :)
And certainly saying "apply leverage" would be fine. But I can't see the -age ending as a problem. What about haemorage? That's a noun and a verb, surely (even if I've misspelled it, as I'm sure I have). We could say "suffer/have a haemorage" with the same meaninng, but it's simpler to use a one-word verb.
That said, I can't imagine using the verb "leverage" myself, any more than I'd say "to advantage" - I'd probably use a completely different phrase - but I don't object when others do.
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I dislike that usage because it's wrong. There is no verb in the English (or American) language "to leverage", because leverage is a noun.
But that's not the real issue - the migration of nouns or adjectives to verb status is quite accepted - to green something, or to tarmac it. It's that the word has "age" on the end of it. It's a word that already describes the result of using, or action of using, or advantage of using a lever. Not the use of the lever itself. The verb is "to lever" and the result of doing it is "leverage". Those business/military people could talk of "applying leverage", or they could ask how much leverage there was. That'd be fine :)
Ah: but the businessmen want a word to describe the result of using, or the action of using, leverage, which is a well-defined financial concept that doesn't involve---except in the most figurative sense---levers.
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Ah: but the businessmen want a word to describe the result of using, or the action of using, leverage, which is a well-defined financial concept that doesn't involve---except in the most figurative sense---levers.
The result of using leverage would be..'leverage :)
If it were me, I'd describe the action as "applying leverage"