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Title: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 22 June, 2010, 02:01:13 pm
As a warmup to HBKH I'm riding this 1200 starting 2 weeks tomorrow. Herentals is in Belgium, and Cosny-sur-Loire is its twin town in France (SE of Orléans). I've just had the routesheet and here's a sample. Lots of closely packed instructions, which is very much to my taste. I'm sure it'll all make sense on the day.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/jspooner99/hch1200.jpg).

I also noticed this bit, which suggests that if you arrive at the right time, you can participate in a champagne-tasting session. Not my tipple of choice by any means, but hey-ho.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/jspooner99/Untitled.jpg)

There are 24 riders, 17 BE, 5 D, 1 USA and yours truly. I know 3 of the Belgians from previous rides.

For anyone who's interested, I'll be tweeting during the event.

I'm looking forward to it all immensely.

Title: Re: Herentals-Cosny-Herentals 1200
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 22 June, 2010, 02:54:01 pm

There are 24 riders, 17 BE, 5 D, 1 USA and yours truly. I know 3 of the Belgians from previous rides.


Danish or Deutsch?
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosny-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 22 June, 2010, 02:59:45 pm
The latter.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosny-Herentals 1200
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 22 June, 2010, 03:11:26 pm
I also noticed this bit, which suggests that if you arrive at the right time, you can participate in a champagne-tasting session. Not my tipple of choice by any means, but hey-ho.

You could always spend some time in Hoegaarden instead...

I'm looking forward to it all immensely.

Bumped into Jan last weekend when he talked about the ride.  I'm immensely envious!!
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 28 June, 2010, 10:01:50 am
In an unprecedented ten minutes session of actually looking at the routesheet before I start a ride, I noticed that we'll be visiting parts of Paris that the PBP  (even the 1991 prologue) fails to reach.

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/jspooner99/paris.jpg)

It should be very early morning when we pass through, so little traffic. In theory.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Jules on 28 June, 2010, 10:23:28 am
It looks absolutely wonderful.  The Arc di Triomph (6th exit) should be fun.

I'm trying to plan a little France/Belgium DIY myself at present. Is this available as a perm?
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 28 June, 2010, 10:33:45 am
The Arc di Triomph (6th exit) should be fun.
My tactic will be to stay in the middle of the bunch for as long as possible and do what everyone else does.

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I'm trying to plan a little France/Belgium DIY myself at present. Is this available as a perm?

I doubt if it is at the moment. If you're interested, PM me your email address and I'll send you the routesheet.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 16 July, 2010, 07:48:29 pm
John finished this OK.  I've just caught up with his tweets:

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Herentals 1200km.finished in spectacular storm. Medal now round my neck. 10:35 PM Jul 10th via txt
 
Eghezée 1132 km. Ardennes most of the day. Hot hot and hilly 5:39 PM Jul 10th via txt
 
998.8 km Brunehamer. breakfast in the marketplace. It's going to be another scorcher/ 8:53 AM Jul 10th via txt
 
273 km tomorrow in 18 hours or 16 if i want the BBQ. Starts with Reims sightseer 10:44 PM Jul 9th via txt
 
Reims 930 km. Super morning with low temps and nice scenery. Afternoon was a return to baking sun and vast cornfields. 10:10 PM Jul 9th via txt
 
Just had my card stamped at LIDL at Romilly/Seine 812km. Stopped raining now. Only 110 more to do today 2:24 PM Jul 9th via txt
 
Joigny 731km Not a cloud for 2 days and now it's raingng. Lumpier today. Heading for champagne country. 9:50 AM Jul 9th via txt
 
Am now in the hotel at Cosne/Loire. 650km done. Very hot today and more promised tomorrow. Got lost a few times today. Paris sightseer ace. 11:49 PM Jul 8th via txt
 
Beaulieu/Loire 630km sitting outside waiting for pizza. @swarm_catcher: Toon just arrived. 9:52 PM Jul 8th via txt
 
Orleans. Very hot 4:08 PM Jul 8th via txt
 
le ferté alais about 450km. Paris sightseer was brilliant. Getting out of paris a nightmare 11:27 AM Jul 8th via txt
 
Got to paris control 365km just after midnight in a group of four. It all starts again at five. 4:10 AM Jul 8th via txt
 
Choisy-au-bac 290km for a meal. 8:13 PM Jul 7th via txt
  La Fere 236km. Horrible hot headwind. Passed through a town just before the Tour came through and got rousing cheers from the crowds. 5:03 PM Jul 7th via txt
   
177km Le Cateau. Got dropped by thE lead group at 160km. 12:58 PM Jul 7th via txt
     
1st control at Naast. 100km. included brussels sightseer including Atomium, Royal palace cobbles tramtracks etc. #audax 9:30 AM Jul 7th via txt
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 19 July, 2010, 07:28:17 pm
Don't expect a ride report before I get back to Blighty at the end of August. Highlights will include:
- the "take 6th exit at the Place de l'Etoile" instruction being as scary as it sounds
- persuading 2 flamands, 1 Walloon and and a Dutch American that I knew the way and they ought to follow me.
- encountering the instruction "keisse bergop" in the wet in the last 20 km of a 1200.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: arabella on 19 July, 2010, 08:48:12 pm
- the "take 6th exit at the Place de l'Etoile" instruction being as scary as it sounds
they must've done something to it since 1992 when I was last there, though admittedly I've done it more often in the other direction.
glad you enjoyed it anyway.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Ivo on 24 October, 2010, 05:18:56 pm
This event is organised again in the PBP year, starting at the 6th of july.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 15 June, 2011, 05:50:00 pm
I've just been laminating the route sheet (which looks identical to last year's) and casting my eye over the start list. Of the 23 starters, 10 rode last year, and 2 of the others rode HBKH - our very own Maverick and Valkyrie's best friend Bernard from Paris, so I already know most of the riders -  and there's Gilbert who is doing backup again. Altogether:

12 B (although Antonio is Spanish really)
3 GB
2 NL
5 D
1 F

No day-3 champagne tasting on the routesheet this year, but the route still goes through Hoegaarden near the end. And, being an "excellent lecteur de road-book" I don't think I'll miss this instruction this time
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:"betonnen brug" ►L+L+L=over brug

Hopefully this time there won't be an international incident on the canal leading to Paris, and we won't be 30+ mins late in the centre with the increase in rush-hour traffic.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/4967945741_81fff1ef63_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/4967945741/)

I'm looking forward to it all immensely.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mmmmartin on 15 June, 2011, 06:30:38 pm
Tweet, please, so we get a vicarious thrill at reading tweets by someone riding the event. It's not as good as actually being there, but as close as I'm likely to get..................  :'(
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 15 June, 2011, 06:38:37 pm
Yep, I'm in along with my recumbent riding mate xrtim of this parish. I'll be tweeting my way around this one. I'm hoping that my gps will get me through the L+L+L type instructions.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Von Broad on 15 June, 2011, 06:43:34 pm
I'm looking forward to it all immensely.

I guess PBP will be a gentle little warm down for you this year then John?  :)

Good luck to all those riding.

[feel exhausted just thinking about all that!]
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 15 June, 2011, 07:58:21 pm
Tweet, please, so we get a vicarious thrill at reading tweets by someone riding the event. It's not as good as actually being there, but as close as I'm likely to get..................  :'(

I certainly intend to.
Quote from: maverick
I'm hoping that my gps will get me through the L+L+L type instructions.
I'd say it would be most useful on the stretch on lanes and riverbank paths from Orleans to Cosne/Loire. Mind you, Bernd used a gps last time and ended up here (https://picasaweb.google.com/cyclebernd/RandonneursBeLierseBCRandonneuersVlaanderenMorkhoven710Juli2010Brevet1200#5556624262937970370). And it might come in handy negotiating the giant retail park on the outskirts of Paree. But the best strategy is to stay as close as possible to Jan's wheel.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: recumbentim on 16 June, 2011, 11:53:54 am
Really looking forward to this now with most of the preperations done.
 With transport , Hotels each night  , Bag drop , Food and cafes , GPS track and Tour de Paris on 2nd day all organised and sorted it sounds like a luxury holiday not a Grueling Audax?
 
 Still got to do the miles though, cant wait.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 16 June, 2011, 05:04:43 pm
Really looking forward to this now with most of the preperations done.
 With transport , Hotels each night  , Bag drop , Food and cafes , GPS track and Tour de Paris on 2nd day all organised and sorted it sounds like a luxury holiday not a Grueling Audax?
 
 Still got to do the miles though, cant wait.

Didn't anyone tell you about the D97 to Orléans? Last year it was tackled in a 35° headwind , with nowhere to fill your bottles
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4151/4967955397_a05acb7fb0_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/4967955397/)

Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 June, 2011, 05:23:39 pm
Looks good to me.  Some greenery around, a village to aim at and a nice quiet road to allow you to chat with fellow riders
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: arvid on 01 July, 2011, 11:03:43 am
I would be really interested in a GPS track of this afterwards. I plan to cycle to Paris(for PBP), and when I set Google to walking to Paris, it sends me via Herentals at about 200km. So Herentals is a very likely place to sleep.
I can then plan my own route onwards from Herentals without any knowledge about the roads. But I know this route will go to Paris as well, and is likely to be a lot better.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Ivo on 01 July, 2011, 08:27:56 pm
Part of the route you can find easily. IJzeren weg from Herentals in southern direction, a bit of road riding and then the old railroad from Hoegaarden. Take the branch-off to Gembloux, stick north of Charleroi and use the Ravel along the canal du Nord to Mons. From there to Bavay and on to Paris. From Tilburg to Herentals is another old railroad.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: recumbentim on 04 July, 2011, 09:17:28 am
Maverick and I are setting off for Dover crossing tomorrow am. Start is Wed am and weather looks good. Got Tracks ,  Routes , Route sheets and paper map too. what could go wrong------- lots I here you say?
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 04 July, 2011, 09:21:16 am
All the best to you and Martin for the ride.  Say hello to Salvatore for me (and remind him he owes me £30).
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 06 July, 2011, 09:04:03 am
And they're off.

John_Spooner
Naast 100 km. Headwind. Fast pace. Knackered. #audaxuk #Audax #hch2011 5 minutes ago via txt

maverick_47
#audaxuk At first control 100km weather dry but windy 8 minutes ago via txt
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 06 July, 2011, 08:30:08 pm
John_Spooner
Choisy au Bac 289 km. Antonin and i instituted a lanterne rouge group, joined by André then Martin and Tim. wind dropped. #audaxuk #Auda ... about 1 hour ago via txt
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 07 July, 2011, 07:42:21 am
John Spooner John_Spooner
Puncture stop near Notre Dame. #audaxuk #Audax #hch2011 28 minutes ago via txt

John_Spooner
At F1 in Villeparisis. Got here at 1 am. Leaving at 4:30. #audaxuk #Audax #hch2011 about 4 hours ago via txt

Martin Berry maverick_47
At sleep stop 365km done. Back on the road at 5am. 365km of headwind also something that's not been good. Superb organization a major pl ... about 8 hours ago via txt
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 08 July, 2011, 08:46:12 am
John_Spooner
Joigny 730. Coffee with martin. Fantastic scenery, quiet roads and, after 2 days, a TAILWIND. #audaxuk #Audax #hch2011 7 minutes ago via txt
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Bigdaveskinnytyre on 08 July, 2011, 12:43:37 pm
I used to live near Herentals.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 10 July, 2011, 09:33:04 am
A superb finish yesterday evening. Rode the last 60 km with Antonio and Bernard, finishing by riding past the cafe where all the other finishers were assembled. A quick shower then off to the BBQ behind the cafe and medal presentation, lots of Duvel. It was nice that Andre, who packed on day 2 with medical problems, turned up. 2 minute ride back to the b&b and in bed by midnight. Berne got in at about 1:15 and has just set off to ride the 436 km home in one go. Martin & tim have just set off for Calais. I think Tim enjoyed himself.

My plans have changed. Instead of touring round Germany then heading for Paris, I'll have to come home to prepare a different bike for PBP, as I've found a crack in my omega.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: marcusjb on 10 July, 2011, 09:40:46 am

My plans have changed. Instead of touring round Germany then heading for Paris, I'll have to come home to prepare a different bike for PBP, as I've found a crack in my omega.

Firstly, well done. This sounds a superb ride from your descriptions.

Sorry to hear of your bike challenges and the changes of plans. I guess you can only take comfort that you discovered it now rather than in a few weeks time?

Hope it all holds together for the ride back.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 11 July, 2011, 10:55:57 am
Back home again after a marathon 700 mile drive yesterday, at least I didn't have to go to work today unlike xrtim.
Just some impressions from this brilliant ride, I'll do a full ride report later.
In no particular order:

Fantastic organisation - turning up late at night to be met by Gilbert who would patiently explain to a brain dead rider like me where to put my bike, which room I was in, how to get to it and how to get into it several times as I seemed to be incapable of retaining any information. Everything just worked :thumbsup:

Hammering through the centre of Brussels hanging on to Jan's (the organiser's) backwheel over damp cobbles, dodging tramlines, on and off cycle paths and through road works - absolutely mad. And then repeating the whole experience the next morning through the centre of Paris - Jan holding out his hand to stop the traffic as 20+ riders shot out into the traffic round the Arc d'Triomphe.

700km of 20mph headwind from Morkhoven to Cosne s/Loire and the 'Highway to Hell' that was the D97 - 50 shadeless kilometres of dead straight rolling road into said headwind with speed down to 10kph at times.

The lantern rouge autobus forming an efficient paceline for the 40km from Gien to Cosne s/Loire in the dark after consuming pasta and beer.

Picnics of pizza and cake on a day of endless sunshine, stunningly beautiful scenery and a stonking tailwind from Cosne s/Loire to Reims.

John Spooner's company and conversation over many, many miles - many thanks it made the more difficult sections much easier, even if it caused us to miss turnings and go off route several times ::-)

Being sat in the group being towed along at >35kph for over 30kms on the way out from Reims on Day 4 as the sun rose.

Finding the cycle track at my first attempt in Namur and then the fast, wind assisted ride along it to Eghezee.

The BBQ where 20 odd riders made short order of a huge amount of food in a fantastic friendly atmosphere. John Spooner after 2 glasses of Duvel (9% alcohol beer), talking even more than usual ;D

Bernd who set off from northern Germany on Sunday, rode >400 to Morkhoven arriving Monday; spent Tuesday riding about 150km to Antwerp and back; then rode the event (almost entirely in his 53 tooth chainring as far as I could tell); then set off to ride the 400 odd kms straight back home on Sunday. All without seemingly breaking sweat and all the while talking and taking photographs.

Finally, my thanks to Jan the organiser who informed us he had been hospitalised with a stroke in February but still went on to complete the organisation of this ride and to ride it himself. His humour and advice coupled with superb organisation made this a very special ride.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 11 July, 2011, 11:33:05 am
John Spooner's company and conversation over many, many miles - many thanks it made the more difficult sections much easier, even if it caused us to miss turnings and go off route several times ::-)
Oh dear.
The BBQ where 20 odd riders made short order of a huge amount of food in a fantastic friendly atmosphere. John Spooner after 2 glasses of Duvel (9% alcohol beer), talking even more than usual ;D
Oh deary dear.

Well done M.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 17 July, 2011, 01:02:08 pm
A 1300 km leisurely ride to the start, including a couple of days visiting an old uni friend near Boulogne, some time near Ieper/Ypres, a lovely day visiting swarm_catcher's parents, moseying round Belgium looping south round Brussels, a nightmare crossing Charleroi by bike, and discovering this:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6016/5942940981_5f4d616b60.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942940981/)

Nothing to give rise to any Van Broadist or MacNastyan heroics - yet. After much deliberation I decided to carry on as if I hadn't seen it. After all it had probably been like that for months if not years, and probably explained the creaking when putting pressure on the pedals which wasn't cured by changing the chainset and BB.

So on to the ride, picking up maverick and xrtim the day before the start when I found them wandering around Morkhoven looking for something to eat.

The start the next morning was at 5 am from the local gym. Time to renew some old acquintances - Jan had a bit of repeat business.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6132/5943414828_d56fc33455.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943414828/)

Bernd takes a photo before the start. It was all he did apart from charge around on his 53-tooth chainring. 742 of his photos of the ride can be seen here (https://picasaweb.google.com/cyclebernd/RandonneursBeLierseBCRandonneuersVlaanderenMorkhoven69Juli2011Brevet1200Plus?feat=twitter#)
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6025/5945809765_fbcbb5b119.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5945809765/)

In the first few km a couple of stops to put on/take off waterproofs
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6006/5942859819_8dfa14f65d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942859819/)
and the field was all together for a brief stop at Mechelen
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6002/5942861551_c3eb295be8.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942861551/)

then disaster - as we approached the lifting bridge at Hombeek my carefully laminated pack of routesheet cards fell from my map holder, and by the time I'd stopped, bells were ringing, lights flashing and barriers dropping in front of me. The bunch, meanwhile, sped along the opposite bank of the canal. At best I'd have to bust a gut in trying to catch them, at worst I'd have the next 320km to ride on my own, including navigating through the centre of Brussels (and according to Belgian law, as I was not part of a bunch, obliged to use cyclepaths). All I could do for the present, was to take a picture of the road as it rose up before me
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6130/5942864963_482b1dce57.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942864963/)
and watch while a boat   v e r y  s l o w l y   made its way towards then under the bridge, and the bridge took its time lowering the road back into place. Just as I was about to push off, Guy and Daniël appeared behind me, and we sped through the streets to catch the bunch, who had noticed out absence and slowed down to allow us to regroup. But the 15-minute flat out chase (mostly on Guy's wheel) had left me knackered

Brussels, and the obligatory stop at the  Atomium
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6020/5942865895_188f67fb0c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942865895/)
xrtim: "What does it do? What's it for?"

and on through the streets of central rush-hour Brussels
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6008/5943422230_04a1296103.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943422230/)

and to the control at a café at Naast. Some happy faces:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6148/5943423712_0439032d25.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943423712/)

Here I sat next to Antonio, born in Spain but resident in Belgium for nearly 50 years, and said that I'd probably do the next 265 km alone, as I was being dropped on the hills, and then having to chase to catch up. He suggested we form a Francophone Lanterne Rouge group with Bernard (valkyrie will remember him from HBKH) and André who was just arriving at the control. We duly excused ourselves from Jan's group and waved them off. But when we were ready to go there was no sign of Bernard, so we set off without him.

The main group had left on the road behind the church, but André insisted on a different route. It soon became clear we were not following the official route, but one André had concocted which took us through the  village where he was born 64 years ago, past the school he went to, past the village water tower, along the cobbled roads where he had learned to ride (I still haven't learned to ride cobbles) ...

15 hours later there was still no sign of Bernard at our hotel on the outskirts of Paris after 365 km - no one had seen him since the 100 km mark. It turns out he had left with the fast group, then decided to join us and returned, expecting to bump into us on the road or at the café, but missed us as we had already left using André's route. Bernard is rather shy, hadn't done much preparation in familiarising himself with the route and speaks only French, so with a predominantly Flemish routesheet and no GPS the day was a bit of a nightmare for him. He got to the hotel at 2:30 am, ready for a 4 am alarm call.

The next day took us straight through the middle of Paris - for me one of the highlights of the ride. After getting dropped then lost the previous year (but see my sig) I made sure I stayed as close as possible to Jan's wheel at all times, even if this involved a bit of elbowing in a Kelly v  Vandeaerden style.

Join Audax Écosse and see the world
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6148/5942872925_47355da245.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942872925/)

Jan waits for stragglers near the Louvre. I was waiting to pounce onto his back wheel as soon as he moved.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6024/5943429524_c7db9fec7f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943429524/)


Waiting at traffic lights on the bank of the Seine. Maverick (l) is going to get an elbow if he doesn't let me in. Antonio is fairly lightweight so shouldn't prove much of a problem. I did consider draping a towel over Jan's rackpack to discourage the germans ...
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/5942876235_c4d85eb932.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942876235/)

Then came the notorious D97 (see posts above) and its headwind. This is Antonio after 3 km of the D97 headwind, beneath one of the few trees on the road.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6026/5942876975_308758a11b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942876975/)

After crossing Orléans, where normal traffic rules were suspended for the afternoon (or so Antonio thought) we had a more relaxing 100km or so along the banks of the Loire to Cosne/Loire, past the chateau at Sully
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6136/5942877377_03a5f15552.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942877377/)

and along quiet riverbank routes. Here's Antonio forging ahead:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6143/5943432798_9726e744d6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943432798/)

If you see Antonio on PBP (Spanish-looking French-speaking in a randonneurs.be jersey riding a red and black Orbea) do say hello - he's a top chap.

André wasn't seen all day. I turned out he had a near miss with a car at a roundabout, which sent his blood pressure up and triggered a nosebleed which wouldn't stop for at least 3 hours despite the help of a pharmacist, so he called it a day.

Cosne was over half-way, and accommodation was in the charmingly typical example of french provincial Hotelerie, the Hotel du Point du Jour. Décor from the 1920s, plumbing from the 1820s. Infinitely preferable to the F1s and Balladins.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6138/5942878887_660dd8613c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942878887/)

GPS adjustments before the start of day 3, setting the 'Stonking Tailwind' setting to ON.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6149/5942878143_9706c77b26.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942878143/)

DIY breakfast in the supermarket carpark across the road
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6027/5942878535_8e1632ed30.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942878535/)

The 3rd day has the best scenery
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6004/5942880921_ef274b9897.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942880921/)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6008/5943437700_6e6ec5691d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943437700/)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6023/5942885149_6514f101e4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942885149/)

The Yonne from the climb after Joigny
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/5942887107_9f44faefcb.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942887107/)

The scenery at the LIDL at Romilly sur Seine was a bit of a let-down
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6150/5943446312_07eddd288d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943446312/)

but the picnic of pizza ...
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6024/5943449230_19aa429188.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943449230/)

 ... and tartelette
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6003/5943447678_73547beba3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943447678/)
was what it's all about.

Getting caught at a level crossing usually costs no more than a couple of minutes, but when the train isn't moving, take a picture of it and wait. And wait.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6134/5942896013_0540ba02f2.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942896013/)

but eventually we were on our way through the Champagne vineyards south of Epernay
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6140/5942901753_da93377c5e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942901753/)

to the evening meal at McDo's in Reims
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6003/5942903095_a736f76f2b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942903095/)

I rode large chunks of the last day with Antonio and Bernard, and timed my arrival at the Café des Sports in Eghezée to coincide with the last five minutes of the TdF. Walloon Philippe Gilbert's final kilometre surge in the Belgian champion's jersey to take second on the stage and the green jersey went down a storm with the locals.

No ride in Belgium would be complete without a cobbled climb, and our came 17 km form the end, the Eikelberg
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6121/5945889416_d2b705420d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5945889416/)
Not the worst cobbles encountered (those IMO were on a fast descent in the dark a few 10s of km short of the Paris control).

I finished with Antonio and Bernard, and Jan and Stan caught us just as we were finishing.

One feature of this ride is the (all-you-an-eat) BBQ and prize presentation - all riders are present (even André who had packed on day 2 turned up to tell of his misadventures), so there's no anti-climax as there sometimes can be at the end of long rides.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6006/5942905845_64fb37be0b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942905845/)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6029/5942904395_d85e68e2f6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942904395/)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6005/5942908407_26fabb88c5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942908407/)

Bernd (D), xrtim and Henry (NL) discussing my bottom bracket, probably. Baseball caps and medals presented by Herentals Tourist Office.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6027/5942908919_8e6cd07f22.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5942908919/)

Many long rides depend on an army of volunteers for their smooth running. This one has Gilbert Maes, who drove the baggage car, bought the food for breakfast and packed lunch, was in charge of room allocations and key codes, was waiting outside the hotel to greet the last rider to arrive and up again at 4 am to get the bikes out and answer any questions in French, Flemish, German, English or (usually) a mixture of all 4. When he went up to get his medal he got the longest and loudest cheer of the night. No wonder he looks tired.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6015/5943461876_05d669e871.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943461876/)

Breakfast the next morning
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6142/5943463922_1001a9cd3e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/5943463922/)

Quick quiz question for those who have go this far:

Which is the odd one out:
A. Radomír Šimůnek, Czech cyclo-cross star
B. Hanka Kupfernagel, 3-time world champion cyclo-crosser, and 2007 world TT champion
C. xrtim
D. Jurgen Van Den Broeck, top Belgian stage racer and TT specialist, 5th overall in the 2010 TdF.

Answer:
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My frame held up over all the cobbles, and got me home again, but I didn't fancy the chances of it surviving another few thousand km with camping gear before PBP, so I've come home to sort something else out for PBP.

If this ride is on again next year, I may very well try to make it a hat trick. A super ride with a unique
atmosphere. Were having a reunion ride in France in August (but there may be a few thousand gatecrashers).


Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: valkyrie on 17 July, 2011, 01:53:22 pm
Fantastic ride report Salvatore - you've made me think that I've chosen the wrong French 1200 to ride this year! If it's on next year I could well be up for it.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 17 July, 2011, 02:22:15 pm
If it's on next year I could well be up for it.

Do I detect another Audax Ecosse road trip in the making? One can only speculate on the state McNasty's bike will be in after a few stretches of cobbles.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: recumbentim on 17 July, 2011, 09:24:04 pm
Yes fantastic ride and report from Salvatore and Maverick.My thanks to Jan the organiser and everybody on the ride who had to put up with my usual antics.
Strangley no mention of sleeping arangements or late arrivals into the room on the reports.
I must say I did love the cycle and scenery and no headwind will ever be as hard again as 20MPH for 700k.
The Belgium Team and the Germans got streached out as I went for it on the third day with big down hills, I just had washing to do and didn,t want to be too late?
That Audax Ecosse photo must make the cover of that Quarterly mag in a PBP year ?
Salvatore recons I will be hooked on long runs now----we,ll see???
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 17 July, 2011, 09:31:55 pm
Strangley no mention of sleeping arangements or late arrivals into the room on the reports.

What happened in the F1 stays in the F1.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 17 July, 2011, 09:48:39 pm
Strangley no mention of sleeping arangements or late arrivals into the room on the reports.

What happened in the F1 stays in the F1.

Maybe ;)
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: arvid on 08 August, 2011, 04:59:41 pm
Is there someone who could supply me with a tracklog of this event? (I e-mailed the organizer, but no response yet)
I apparently finished my BSc which means I have time to ride the french ride and from Herentals to Paris I'd like to follow the route of this brevet.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Ivo on 08 August, 2011, 05:07:09 pm
Parts of the route you need I have in my collection of GPS tracks, including a nearly full set of GPS tracks of Ravels.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 16 October, 2011, 07:10:58 pm

If this ride is on again next year, I may very well try to make it a hat trick. A super ride with a unique
atmosphere.

It's on the randonneurs.be website - 4th July 2012 - SWMBO has been informed and xrtim is up for a return to this. Thinking of cycling to the event this year via Newcastle ferry.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: recumbentim on 17 October, 2011, 01:32:03 pm
I am definatly up for this one. Trying to put Maverick off the cycling to event idea for the comfort of that big Merc thing but we will see. Hope we get paired up with somebody who gets in before 2am this time?
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 17 October, 2011, 02:00:22 pm
I've just put it in my diary. The plan is to ride there, ride it, then ride to the start of the 1200 du massif central, ride that, then ride home (possibly via an indirect route).

Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 17 October, 2011, 03:48:22 pm
The Douze Cents ride is also in my diary :thumbsup:  Hopefully combined with some touring around the Loire with Ms Maverick. If I can fit it in, my season finisher will be the Grosse Bayern Rundfarhte 1200 but I'll wait and see how things go. I'm still not back on the bike for any distance after being knocked off at the begining of September >:(
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 26 April, 2012, 11:52:00 pm
Entry and payment off today  - xrtim and I are definitely doing this. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: recumbentim on 30 June, 2012, 07:01:14 pm
Maverick and I are getting stuff ready for this wee run and are heading south on Monday.
Trying to prepare myself mentally for the 700k head wind forecast and 24 degrees , woe is me.
And our sleeping partner " Where for art thou Salvatore " ?   Will it be a chance meeting under the balcony of the B and B ???
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 30 June, 2012, 08:39:41 pm
And our sleeping partner " Where for art thou Salvatore " ?   

Well. not sure about 'wherefore', but if the question were 'Where?' an hour ago the answer would have been

Quote
I'm in Tour of Flanders country - Kwaremont and Koppenberg. And it's raining. Hard.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: hellymedic on 30 June, 2012, 08:58:36 pm
[Pedant] I thought he was Salvatore because another randonneur termed him as such.  ;) ;D

(As I understand it, "Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?" means "Romeo, why are you a Montagu?")
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 01 July, 2012, 05:57:23 pm
Latest: Just arrived at Morkhoven after 571 km tailwind. I wonder if Bernd is riding to the start . That'll be 400 km headwind  for him.i
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: recumbentim on 03 July, 2012, 10:14:11 am
looking at the weather forecast for France I was wondering what the difference from cycling in the rain in Scotland would be. Then it came to me / about 15 degrees I hope
Title: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 03 July, 2012, 08:36:20 pm
All sorted and ready now. 3.45am alarm call for 5am start. Let's hope the rain keeps away. Only 16 starters this year.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 04 July, 2012, 09:34:38 am
And they're off

Quote
John Spooner ‏@John_Spooner
All set. Dry at the mo. Rain forecast. Herentals 1200. #audaxuk 5h
Quote
I've survived Brussels rush hour for another year. #audaxuk 1h
Quote
Naast 100 km .fast pace but slow group being formed. #audaxuk 16m

Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 05 July, 2012, 08:13:27 am
Some meore updates:
John Spooner ‏@John_Spooner The pluck British trio opted out of the full Paris sightseer and bashed strt thru. Now at Viry Chatillon 15m

Martin Berry ‏@maverick_47 #audaxuk 177km done hiding from headwind in group of Germans. Pace not too fast weather hot & humid though 19h

John Spooner ‏@John_Spooner 289 Km in the lanterne rouge group with Andre Bernard and Jan. A little light rain freshened things up. 18h

Martin Berry ‏@maverick_47 #audaxuk stopped for break at 228km. Dropped by Belgians at 215km and on my own now. 17h

Martin Berry ‏@maverick_47 #audaxuk at control at 289km nearly 2 hours ahead of last year. Riding with Germans again. 13h

Martin Berry ‏@maverick_47 #audaxuk In to hotel 10.40 365km complete. 2 hours quicker than last year! 10h

John Spooner ‏@John_Spooner Villeparisis 366 km. Nearly 3 hours in bed. Now just about to leave. 4h

John Spooner ‏@John_Spooner Yutaka Moriwaki from Japan is riding. He finished a 2100 km ride in Sweden late on Monday, and started this 1200 on Wednesday. 4h

John Spooner ‏@John_Spooner  His friend Mimi is riding shotgun with Gilbert in the baggage wagon. 4h
Title: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 06 July, 2012, 07:57:06 pm
At Reims stuffing our faces at McDs. Just one rain shower today. Nasty surprise at 880km. Instead of last year's fast flat main road bash to the night stop we got the Devil's Staircase followed by Nant Gwynant. Well and truly done for tonight, going to be a hard final day through the southern Ardennes tomorrow.
Bike suffering a bit, rear hub bearings well on the way out - hope they make it to the finish.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 06 July, 2012, 10:00:46 pm
Whereas Salvatore took an alternative route:

Quote
John Spooner ‏@John_Spooner

Reims 930 Jan had devised a new route from Epernay, but didn't realise he'd included Asterton and Llancloudy. Old route next year.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Nuncio on 07 July, 2012, 06:24:43 pm
From Maverick, 10 minutes ago:
Quote
Tim and I finished Herentals 1200. Now in pub with BEER
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: hellymedic on 07 July, 2012, 07:52:52 pm
Salvatore est Arrive!
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: recumbentim on 08 July, 2012, 08:10:54 pm
Just heading up through England so I though I highlight some of the important points of my ride .
 Thanks to the organiser Jan for another brill event. He called Maverick and I THE SCOTTISH TRIAN as I toed him along at 35 k 
near the end.
  The little rain we had was warm and I am sure  you still get a sun tan while its on.
 The 2 big hills at 250 k on the third day were killers and Jan thought he would need body
 gaurds after that change of route
  The efficient Germans didn't realise that I was extracting the michael when i said "you have champagne this afternoon ? " 
  The belgians were a good laugh and I was impressed when one of them applied his cream outside a cafe opposite a ladies hairdressers.
  I was faster this year which gave  me a bit more sleep . Maybe I was just more efficient like Salvatore who got ready for bed in the corridor so not to wake the fast ones. 
 So feeling it a bit today but might be back on the bike on tuesday?
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 04 January, 2013, 11:56:35 pm
I found this write-up today. It's in German, but there are plenty of piccies.

Modesty demands that I forbid everyone from reading the 2nd & 3rd paragraphs.

http://forum.helmuts-fahrrad-seiten.de/viewtopic.php?t=5717
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Mad Jack on 05 January, 2013, 10:26:26 am
In an unprecedented ten minutes session of actually looking at the routesheet before I start a ride, I noticed that we'll be visiting parts of Paris that the PBP  (even the 1991 prologue) fails to reach.

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/jspooner99/paris.jpg)

It should be very early morning when we pass through, so little traffic. In theory.

Interesting route sheet, is there a key for the symbols, do some of the :X equate to where you have right of way, and :X (vkl)
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 05 January, 2013, 10:45:08 am


Interesting route sheet, is there a key for the symbols, do some of the :X equate to where you have right of way, and :X (vkl)
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/nocensure/hchkey_zps9ef747dd.jpg)
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Mad Jack on 05 January, 2013, 11:21:30 am


Interesting route sheet, is there a key for the symbols, do some of the :X equate to where you have right of way, and :X (vkl)
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/nocensure/hchkey_zps9ef747dd.jpg)

Ok thanks, have a go at converting this -

73.83 R $ Five Ashes & Imm (BLIND) R@T (Give way markings feint) (Five Ashes Rd)
Other clues before this, last instruction was @ 73.35 road name that your on = Castle Hill 
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Mad Jack on 05 January, 2013, 11:34:46 am


Interesting route sheet, is there a key for the symbols, do some of the :X equate to where you have right of way, and :X (vkl)
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/nocensure/hchkey_zps9ef747dd.jpg)

Ok thanks, have a go at converting this -

73.83 R $ Five Ashes & Imm (BLIND) R@T (Give way markings feint) (Five Ashes Rd)
Other clues before this, last instruction was @ 73.35 road name that your on = Castle Hill

Castle Hill .48  73.83 > R  >> Five Ashes >T  R Five Ashes Rd
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: kond on 06 January, 2013, 07:07:37 pm
Hmmm... as a LEL refugee, i.e. I didn't get my act together to apply in time, I'm vaguely interested in this... What is the pace like? I haven't done a lot of audaxes but just did a 12hr 240km (though ache a lot now!) but with a bit of training should be a bit quicker and recover better....

Who is doing it this year? What is travel to the start like from UK (I'm in the south east and would reckon on ferry over and then ideally cycling to the start...
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 06 January, 2013, 07:49:23 pm
The start (actually Morkhoven, south of Herentals) is about 220 km from Dunkirk. I've ridden there the last 3 years, but won't be taking part this year. The ride there is very pleasant. I planned my route using http://www.knooppunter.com/nl/Routeplanner/Fietsnet_routeplanner  printed and laminated the pdf it produced, and off I went, just following the numbers.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8030/7988525441_94c90ae9b9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/7988525441/)

On the ride itself, the days split up roughly into 370 km the first day, then about 270 for the remaining 3 days. Everyone sets off together from the hotel every day, but eventually smaller groups form. On the first day everyone stays together for the first 100km or so to get through Brussels and into Wallonia.

The faster you are the more time you'll have in the hotel each night for sleep and recovery.

Recommended.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 06 January, 2013, 07:53:38 pm
A definite possible here. Will check the dates. (now I've posted on the 1000's thread you can all see how indecisive I am  ::-)). I shall restrict myself to 1 foreign adventure this year, at most!
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 06 January, 2013, 08:14:23 pm
Info (in Flemish) here (http://www.randonneurs.be/page/26).

Max riders; 50, so don't be too indecisive.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 07 January, 2013, 02:56:27 pm
Not so sure now, I don't like crowds :-\
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 08 January, 2013, 08:18:33 pm
I've just had an email from Jan Geerts, the organiser, advising early entry ('as quick as possible'). If anyone is interested, the best thing to do would be get in touch with him at the email address on the randonneurs.be site ASAP: http://www.randonneurs.be/page/26
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: AlbertoC on 21 January, 2013, 12:38:41 pm
My entry and that of a friend have been accepted, so we will be there this July. Cycling to and back from Herentals from Dunkirk/Calais also, if anyone from here is thinking of doing the same?

This will be our very first >600 km ride, so all sensible advice will be much appreciated!
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: swiss hat on 21 January, 2013, 01:03:29 pm
Cycling to and back from Herentals from Dunkirk/Calais also, if anyone from here is thinking of doing the same?

Veloboy and I have had our entries accepted and should be riding to the start from Dunkirk/Calais. Not looked at ferry dates yet but happy to team up if plans allow. 
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: AlbertoC on 21 January, 2013, 02:09:03 pm
Cycling to and back from Herentals from Dunkirk/Calais also, if anyone from here is thinking of doing the same?

Veloboy and I have had our entries accepted and should be riding to the start from Dunkirk/Calais. Not looked at ferry dates yet but happy to team up if plans allow.

Good plan. There seems to be plenty of ferries for £15 one way to either place.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 22 January, 2013, 09:11:38 am
xrtim and myself will be making the trip again this year, for the third time. Time constraints preclude cycling from the north east of Scotland so we'll be driving over. If anyone needs a lift I'm happy to pick up as long as it isn't too far from the M90 - A68 - A1 - M25 - M2 route - room for 2 more in the car.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Andrew on 30 January, 2013, 11:37:02 am
I'm looking at this one with interest (and obviously need to decide very quickly). My only concern is that it might be too close to LEL for me. I've never done 2 1200s in one year before, let alone 2 quite so close together. My priority this year is LEL so would this be too close to allow for adequate recovery.  I'm not a battle hardened randonneur... yet?? :)
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: swiss hat on 30 January, 2013, 12:28:43 pm
My only concern is that it might be too close to LEL for me.

Herentals starts on 3 July & LEL on 28 July. So 3 weeks to recover which should be fine for most. Herentals is arranged to be a full value 90 hour ride with riders stopping at Org's accommodation overnight; I think it will be more a fast tour than a hard audax. Should be an excellent event and could set you up nicely for a strong LEL ride. Go for it before the 50 rider limit is reached!
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 30 January, 2013, 12:39:31 pm
You should be fine - as Swiss Hat says, the organisation of this ride means you ride at a reasonable pace and don't suffer sleep deprivation so the toll on the body and mind is a lot less. Tim & I have managed a 900 mile drive the day after finishing this ride for the last 2 years with no difficulty. My problem last year was that I had just had enough time on the bike after finishing this ride so DNF'd a 400 a couple of weeks after due to a severe attack of CBA'd. If you are really motivated for LEL it will be perfect training for you.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Andrew on 31 January, 2013, 06:38:14 pm
I'm in. The ride was full, I was told, but there have been cancellations.

I'm looking forward to it too. After reviewing the schedule, I reckon I should be ok.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 03 March, 2013, 07:59:39 pm
Eeeek! Has everyone had their payment options email from Jan?

Exciting, but means I have to make decisions  :o Not my strength...

Cycling to and back from Herentals from Dunkirk/Calais also, if anyone from here is thinking of doing the same?

Veloboy and I have had our entries accepted and should be riding to the start from Dunkirk/Calais. Not looked at ferry dates yet but happy to team up if plans allow.

Good plan. There seems to be plenty of ferries for £15 one way to either place.

What day will you guys head over / arrive? Chosen your accomodation options?

(i think end of March is the deadline, not sure when the refund period is ... )
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 03 March, 2013, 10:44:53 pm
Eeeek! Has everyone had their payment options email from Jan?

Exciting, but means I have to make decisions  :o Not my strength...


Xrtim (OTP) and I have decided against riding - with 50 riders it will be a different event to the one we have ridden that last two years and we prefer the small event (25 riders in 2011 and 15 in 2012), we also thought it would give people on the waiting list a chance. Now thinking of doing something epic in Scotland  ;)
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: AlbertoC on 03 March, 2013, 11:12:26 pm
There's a chance I won't be able to ride this, but for now it looks like Eurostar and local connection to Herentals on the Tuesday afternoon and back Sunday is the more likely option. Fast and cheap(er) overall.

Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: swiss hat on 04 March, 2013, 08:23:15 am
Option 3 : lodge accommodation 1 night before and after event. I'd prefer to cycle to/from Herentals and Tuesday arrival allows plenty of time to get there. Might end up training it back if I need to be at work on Monday otherwise will cycle.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 04 March, 2013, 01:04:22 pm
I fear I'm going to turn this into another
how-to-take-a-bike-on-eurostar thread.

Forgive me!
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 22 May, 2013, 08:56:41 am
Some tips and observations from a 3-time finisher:

Evening before the ride - it can be difficult finding somewhere to eat, but the last 3 years I've been to De Korenaar here (http://goo.gl/maps/P6Ep8). Follow the road from Morkhoven through Noorderwijk and it's on the RHS just after the motorway bridge.

Day 1 - the first control is at Naast after 100km and there's no food there so take something with you.
- the road through Bavay to le Cateau may seem to go on for ever, but it does end eventually.
- The food at the control at Choisy-le-bac (289km) is usually very good.
- Watch out for the nasty cobbles after the descent at Fontaine-Chaalis (330km)

Day 2 - the D97 may seem to go on for ever, but it does end eventually.
- If you're fast you can eat at the day's destination, Cosne-sur-Loire, otherwise there's a takeaway pizza place (Berry Pizza, just before the bridge) at Gien, or roadside pizza vans in various towns.

Day 3 - IMO the stretch between Cosne and Romilly is the highlight of the ride
- there's a café in the little square just after the bridge in Joigny after 80km or so.
- Romilly-sur-Seine - the routesheet has in the past recommended controlling at the Lidl on the way into town, but there's a boulangerie/patisserie on the left as you enter the square in the centre of town which has a rubber stamp and does slices of hot pizza.

Day 4 - Cerfontaine - somewhere in the supermarket there's a counter where you can get hot sausages, chicken etc. I've never found it, but I've (nearly) always been with Jan at that point (and he does know where it is, so I've had hot food).
- Café de Sports in Eghezée on a Saturday afternoon with the TdF on the big screen and only an easy 60km of a 1200 to go with plenty of time in hand. What could be better than that?

General advice:
- don't follow André, or take any notice of his route advice.
- the Flemish for a small plastic bag is 'zakske'. This is the only Flemish you'll ever need.
- it may be 12km from the end of a 1200, but the correct pronunciation of 'Aarschot' is not 'arse shot' or 'arse hot'.
- make sure you know which way to go to get back to your digs when you leave the post-ride BBQ. Turning left instead of right is not a good idea.
- Duvel
- say hello to Mic, Luc and the others from me.
- have fun.

No doubt Maverick and/or xrtim will be along soon to agree and/or disagree with some or all of the above.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: swiss hat on 24 May, 2013, 10:44:49 am
Myself and Veloboy's travel arrangements for getting to/from Herentals:

Monday 1st July.
Catch the Dover to Dunkerque ferry sailing at 12:00, arriving 15:00.
Cycle to Bruges ~75 km.
Overnight in Bruges. Anyone know of a good budget place to stay?
Tuesday 2nd July.
Cycle to Herentals ~125 km

Sunday 7th July
Cycle to Brussels ~ 65 km
Eurostar back to London, 19:52 departure. We have the last 2 bike reservations on this train apparently.

Anyone doing something similar or would like to form a (mini)peleton?
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: pioto on 25 May, 2013, 09:17:56 am

Overnight in Bruges. Anyone know of a good budget place to stay?


No idea whether this is budget enough: https://www.airbnb.de/rooms/85741   That place has very good reviews, about 50 pounds/night for 2.

Thanks for the hints, Salvatore. Especially the pizza recommendations. Who is André?
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: AlbertoC on 25 May, 2013, 09:18:11 pm
Myself and Veloboy's travel arrangements for getting to/from Herentals:

Monday 1st July.
Catch the Dover to Dunkerque ferry sailing at 12:00, arriving 15:00.
Cycle to Bruges ~75 km.
Overnight in Bruges. Anyone know of a good budget place to stay?
Tuesday 2nd July.
Cycle to Herentals ~125 km

Sunday 7th July
Cycle to Brussels ~ 65 km
Eurostar back to London, 19:52 departure. We have the last 2 bike reservations on this train apparently.

Anyone doing something similar or would like to form a (mini)peleton?

I can no longer make this event but will keep an eye on your updates and reports...perhaps in 2014?

We stayed at the campsite in Brugge and it was actually ok, not far from town and cheap-ish if you were taking a tent? We also rode from Dunkirk and it was quite a nice ride, if a bit too flat.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 21 June, 2013, 10:21:20 am
Have you guys printed out the new routesheet? Did all the pages come out OK?
(my printing butler had some problems - probably Adobe/OS version specific, so I thought I'd ask the question)

Incidentally, it's only just dawned me that this 1200 only has _9_ controls! When am I going to do my faffing?


(anyone want to bet whether it is actually 1200 by shortest distance?)
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: swiss hat on 21 June, 2013, 10:46:02 am
Yes routesheet printed fine.

Too much faffing and you'll be left at the controls as the group heads up the road!

I'll not complain if it's 1200km!!

Looking forward to the ~200km ride over Dunkerque/Bruges/Herentals on Mon/Tues to get in the swing of things.

SH

Have you guys printed out the new routesheet? Did all the pages come out OK?
(my printing butler had some problems - probably Adobe/OS version specific, so I thought I'd ask the question)

Incidentally, it's only just dawned me that this 1200 only has _9_ controls! When am I going to do my faffing?


(anyone want to bet whether it is actually 1200 by shortest distance?)
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 21 June, 2013, 10:55:11 am
Have fun chaps.

I'm currently in St Petersburg but still hoping to put in an appearance at the post-ride knees-up.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 21 June, 2013, 11:10:36 am
... still hoping to put in an appearance at the post-ride knees-up.
Me too!!!
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: marcusjb on 21 June, 2013, 11:28:05 am
... still hoping to put in an appearance at the post-ride knees-up.
Me too!!!

 ;D

This ride always sounds superb.  It is on the to-do list for sure.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: veloboy on 21 June, 2013, 03:12:31 pm
I'm really looking forward to this!
Should be a really fun run!
Especially looking forward to the social aspects of the ride - and certainly hoping for s heat wave for sure!!! 😅
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: AlbertoC on 07 July, 2013, 06:08:18 pm
Having registered and then pulled out of this ride...I look forward to hearing how it went for those of you who made it. The weather must've been good or too good!
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 07 July, 2013, 09:40:55 pm
I made it to the after-ride BBQ, and heard about it at length from veloboy, swisshat, Ray, Tal (tkatzir), mattc and others, so I'll leave it to them on their return to give details. There was a large Brazilian contingent, who were giving out Brazilian jerseys (produced specially for the event), and shots of some sort of Brazilian rum. As usual there was a representative from Herentals town hall to distribute medals, and everyone got a rousing round of applause. I even got a mention and a cheer just for turning up to the knees-up.

This morning I called in to Jeanine's B&B just to say hello, and ended up having a 2nd (2-hour) breakfast with mattc, Patrice from Brussels, Bernd and Helle.

Matt and I rode 50 km or so of the way back before our routes diverged near Steenhuffel, and we happened to see Jan who was taking Tal to the airport.

Jan mentioned that the ride has reached its limit in the number of riders, so I'm instructed not to mention what a well-organised ride this is, what good VFM it is, or how people ride it year after year, so it must be good. Nor must I give anyone any encouragement to ride it (except swarm_catcher).

I'll now leave the floor open to those who actually did the ride.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 10 July, 2013, 04:14:45 pm
Well I'm back. I shall adhere to Jan's publicity embargo and just mention a few personal bits-n-pieces:

Riding numerous 1000km+ rides does not seem to make them much easier. But this was easier than both PBPs I've done. It was mostly flat, but we all frittered time away sightseeing in Paris, Bruxelles and restuarants.
You need to be pretty confident on wet cobbles and similar surfaces for this, and some pretty robust wheels might be sensible (although most kms were on typical smooth french tarmac, so overall a pleasant experience, plus there's very little night-riding).

Navigation was interesting, and the routesheet a whole topic of its own - I'll just say that if you used the GPS tracks you were OK (apart from several 1-way street violations). And happy to deal with 20 road closures. There were only 10 controls, so my torn-out europe atlas pages would have saved me if things had gone bad.

The international peleton was what most stuck in my mind. I had a smile when I realised our peloton's front row was an Israeli and a Nigerian now resident in USA. Apart from riding with the yanks (who speak something like English) there was a confusion of tongues. I know just enough words of german french and flemish to get my brain in a twist in a group. Fun but tiring. Endspurt is my favourite new word.

Everyone was so friendly. Breakfast (on Sunday) was magnifique, chatting about cycle-paths round Europe, and words that exist in English but not german etc etc ... (I do rather wish I'd left earlier and perhaps avoided heat-stroke that afternoon, but never mind ... )

The finish was just lovely. A civilised (if basic) sit down meal with beer (and Brazilian rum). It's so nice to have the fast guys welcoming you in. There were perhaps two riders behind me; we did the presentations without them, but of course they got a huge cheer on arrival. Jan introduced us all as we 'medalled' - despite John's presence, he saw fit to mention my willingness to talk  ::-)
I can't see this working with even 100 people, but it would still be nice.


I had one puncture (just the 2nd in 5 ultras), but it split the sidewall in a 400km-old 4-Seasons. I could have booted it but was offered a spare. This Michelin* was made in France, sent to Wiggle in England, sent via internet to Russia, then flown with Stanislav to Belgium, carried to France, put on my bike, ridden to Belgium, then to England again. I may only use it on foreign rides in future.

We stayed in Formule1, Ibis and Premier Class (full set?) 3-to-a-room. I preferred F1 - the non-ensuite bathrooms seem a lot more appropriate to shared living. Breakfasts were in the car-parks by Jan's van (and still dark at 5am in France).

Homebound: I had my own room in a lovely flemish youth hostel. Dunkirk is easily the worst port I have cycled into. Even the ticket office doors were shit. Unlike me (approaching from SE), don't try following car ferry signs and hoping for the best - plan a quieter route in advance (and there's still several km of exposed auto-route to finish). Dover seemed welcoming by comparison.
(Annoying epilogue - in 36 hours I went from heat-stroke to man-flu. How British.)

Oh, and of 12 sports programmes I missed, only the ladies tennis final got taped. Never mind, a Brit is in the maillot jaune again, all is well in the world!


*Is a Speedium2 any good?
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: rob on 10 July, 2013, 05:59:11 pm
Well done, Matt.   I was following Bernd's photos on farcebook.   Looks like he rode to the start and back as well.

I met him and Tal on the Dutch Capitals last year.   I'm starting to believe that these 'smaller' rides in Europe are the way to go.   they're so much more intimate than PBP.    After the finish there I found myself sat with an Israeli and 2 Germans in an American restaurant in a Dutch town.   We also discussed English words that slot into German speech.

In a way I'm regretting entering LEL this year instead of the 1000 that's been put on by the same orgniser as the Dutch Capitals, but there's always another year.


Rob
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 14 July, 2013, 11:20:12 pm
After riding HCH Tal flew to Budapest and rode the Hungarian 1200. I've just had a txt from him to say he finished in 77:20.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 14 July, 2013, 11:39:59 pm
Good news, cheers John!

I really don't know how Tal and others rode the double, based on how I felt 6 days ago. Hungary looked a much hillier ride. Tal is very competent and experienced, but his form on HCH did NOT hint at a 77h finish - he was clearly sandbagging me!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Stas on 21 July, 2013, 07:19:45 am
Here's my report. On russian, sorry.http://www.velo36.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7802&sid=84dd7c8e2d6cb5a8c4af7615e1116735 (http://www.velo36.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7802&sid=84dd7c8e2d6cb5a8c4af7615e1116735) Navigation failed as well as my stomach. Thank Tal and Matt`for not leaving me. The lesson to be learnt.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 23 July, 2013, 05:53:11 pm
Jan has just sent out some links to various riders' galleries. Will take me a while to sift thru ... but this is the best so far:
https://plus.google.com/photos/112979861092984792301/albums/5897982275219276369/5897983816737269122?authkey=CLO94bexwITP8QE&pid=5897983816737269122&oid=112979861092984792301
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 23 July, 2013, 07:25:10 pm
Here's my report. On russian, sorry.http://www.velo36.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7802&sid=84dd7c8e2d6cb5a8c4af7615e1116735 (http://www.velo36.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7802&sid=84dd7c8e2d6cb5a8c4af7615e1116735) Navigation failed as well as my stomach. Thank Tal and Matt`for not leaving me. The lesson to be learnt.

Thanks stas. We met briefly at the BBQ. Well done on finishing despite your illness.

The google translate version (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.velo36.ru/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D6%26t%3D7802%26sid%3D84dd7c8e2d6cb5a8c4af7615e1116735&act=url) has the immortal line:

Quote
Tal and Matt were very chatty and rattled incessantly.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Stas on 25 July, 2013, 06:32:12 am
It's funny how google translator turn my polite gossip into kind of "Clockwork Orange".  The event was great! Love to everybody.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 26 July, 2013, 02:25:09 pm
Hi Stas,

Glad you enjoyed your trip, despite the illness. See you on the road sometime.

I'm sorry I can't read Russian to read your report properly, but the "Clockwork Orange" version brings back many memories, and many laughs. My favourite line is:

" ... after the rise of the city I began to vomit uncontrollably on France"

There is something very poetic about some Google translations.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: tkatzir on 04 August, 2013, 09:46:58 pm
And I finally got round to translating my RR to English, here (http://israeli-randonneur.blogspot.com/2013/07/154en.html).

Thanks Stas and Matt, and all the other riders I met on the road.


P.S. Less than 5 days after finishing, I started the Hungary Transdanube. RR here (http://israeli-randonneur.blogspot.com/2013/07/156en.html).

Tal.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 05 August, 2013, 10:57:34 am
Hi Tal,
Nice report, thanks for translating it. Will you be posting your pictures?

How many riders did they have in Hungary? It's pretty amazing to have a moto outrider on a small event.

Cheers,
Matt
(still upset that you didn't ride LEL  too ... )
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: tkatzir on 11 August, 2013, 06:38:44 pm
Not trying to hijack the topic...

Nice report, thanks for translating it. Will you be posting your pictures?

Thanks.

The pics from the Herentals?
pm me your email address and I'll email you what I have.
Including the one with the "Seringue Arrière" ;-)

How many riders did they have in Hungary? It's pretty amazing to have a moto outrider on a small event.

According to the official results: 58 started, 52 finished successfully.

(still upset that you didn't ride LEL  too ... )

I knew it won't be on my to-do-list in 2013.
I'm glad anybody I know who wanted to participate got a place in the end.
And from what I've heard - It was great.
So... good job to everyone who made it happen, and to all the volunteers! :-)


Carry on, back to the Herentals ...

Tal.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 15 July, 2014, 06:38:39 am
It was my turn to do the HCH1200 :)

blog: MyBlog (http://bikesandbees.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/the-hch-1200.html)
photos: MyPhotos (https://picasaweb.google.com/113386555289222850470/HCH1200?authuser=0&feat=directlink)
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: mattc on 15 July, 2014, 12:59:21 pm
It was my turn to do the HCH1200 :)
Ha! Every AUK SR should ride it, but at this rate it will take many decades.

Glad you had fun. Is that big Stas at the back of the group photo? Some other faces look kiiiiinda familiar, but not so sure. (I think I recognise Bernard, but I don't really know him).
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: recumbentim on 15 July, 2014, 09:54:10 pm
Excellent photos and blog swarm catcher great memoires of 2011 and 12 , you might make the BBq by 7 pm next time?
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 22 September, 2014, 11:26:49 am
The 2015 edition starts on 8th July. Plenty of time to recover before PBP.

From Randonneurs.be calendar 2015 (http://www.randonneurs.be/page/brm-2015-calendrier-kalender) All BRM, so valid as PBP qualifiers, not too far away (depending where you live), and a change of scenery.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 07 July, 2015, 09:28:10 am
Starts tomorrow. 37 entries.

2 Français
10 Belges
9 Allemands
1 GB
11 Nederland
1 Japonais
2 Brésiliens

One of the French entries is Bernard Peguin (well-known to Maverick & Valkyrie), and Robert Lammerts is one of the Dutch entries.

Whose turn is it from GB to ride this year? Anyone from here?
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: pioto on 07 July, 2015, 01:16:56 pm
Starts tomorrow. 37 entries.

2 Français
10 Belges
9 Allemands
1 GB
11 Nederland
1 Japonais
2 Brésiliens

One of the French entries is Bernard Peguin (well-known to Maverick & Valkyrie), and Robert Lammerts is one of the Dutch entries.

Whose turn is it from GB to ride this year? Anyone from here?
Hi Salvatore,

Roy Ro. from UK. I had to cancel, too much work  :sick:   I hope it is not the last time that Jan hosts this great event. Definitely one of the best brevets. If you don't remember: I am the 6'9.5" German. See you in Paris.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Salvatore on 08 July, 2015, 01:28:46 pm
Starts tomorrow. 37 entries.

2 Français
10 Belges
9 Allemands
1 GB
11 Nederland
1 Japonais
2 Brésiliens

One of the French entries is Bernard Peguin (well-known to Maverick & Valkyrie), and Robert Lammerts is one of the Dutch entries.

Whose turn is it from GB to ride this year? Anyone from here?
Hi Salvatore,

Roy Ro. from UK. I had to cancel, too much work  :sick:   I hope it is not the last time that Jan hosts this great event. Definitely one of the best brevets. If you don't remember: I am the 6'9.5" German. See you in Paris.

You can console yourself with the thought that you're missing two days of fierce headwind to Cosne-sur-Loire.
Title: Re: Herentals-Cosne/Loire-Herentals 1200
Post by: Maverick on 09 July, 2015, 08:50:00 am

You can console yourself with the thought that you're missing two days of fierce headwind to Cosne-sur-Loire.

Just the usual then .... and then it dies as you turn East for Rheims  ::-)