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Title: eBay rant
Post by: Charlotte on 23 March, 2009, 09:30:34 am
I sold a laptop yesterday.  It went for £180 plus £15 p&p.

eBay charged me £0.35p to list it (it would have been much more, but I started it at 99p) and £17.99 "final value fee".  Then Paypal (also eBay) charged me £6.83 to receive the payment.  That's £25.17 fees in all.  Given that I don't overcharge for postage, I'm actually getting £154.83 for my laptop.  Less if I've screwed up on postage.

They're charging me 14% and it's now obligatory to offer Paypal as a method of receiving payment, so you can't avoid it.

After the sale is concluded, both parties are invited to leave feedback for each other, but the seller is now no longer able to leave negative feedback for buyers who screw them about.  Only buyers can leave negative feedback.  They can also comment on communication, description, postal costs etc., with a star rating that's not visible to the seller.

eBay have got too greedy.  Theirs is the ultimate e-business model - they buy nothing, they sell nothing and they ship nothing.  Yet they rake it in.  I wouldn't mind so much, but when a buyer refuses to pay (the last one swears blind he only had the item in his watchlist and never placed a bid, so could I please "cancel the transaction?") I can't do anything about it.  Yet he can leave me shitty feedback!

Yeah, they have a dispute resolution process, but it's awful.  I've had some fees refunded, but it's a pain in the neck and I'd much rather just go back to the way it used to be where the buyer and the seller left each other feedback on an equal footing.  There's no trust left any more.

But that's not all.  When I'm after buying something, I have to wade through huge numbers of commercial offerings to get to the few genuine private sellers who actually have stuff that I might want to buy.  eBay's chock full of fraudsters, scam-merchants and bullshit artists and unless you're very clued up at recognising them, you're going to get ripped off.

Have eBay got too big for their boots?
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: pcolbeck on 23 March, 2009, 09:38:25 am
Ebay don't provide nothing. They provide a service that connects you with potential buyers and advertises your goods. Exactly the same as any other auction house. It costs a huge amount of money to run all those web servers and backend databases. However you may have a point about there fees being too high.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: mike on 23 March, 2009, 09:43:11 am
I'm completely fed up with it too.  I sold a lens on there last month, the buyer pulled out a couple of days after the close saying he now couldnt afford it.  Wanker. 
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: toekneep on 23 March, 2009, 09:49:06 am
Ebay used to feel like a community venture in the early days, it was fun to buy and sell on there. Now it feels like a commercial venture, still useful at times but not fun any more. You can still pick up bargains of course but now it seems like hard work and as for selling, I can't be bothered with it. Shame really but I suppose that it the natural cycle of something that is as successful as Ebay has been.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: little miss mac on 23 March, 2009, 10:39:34 am
Interesting, though. Local newspapers are on the verge of oblivion because their classified advertising has been all but wiped out by tinternet. If ebay moves away from its original premise as a forum for private individuals selling second hand stuff, to becoming an online warehouse sale of unsold stock for commercial sellers (ebay itself has indicated that this is its strategy - but can't remember where I read that) then where do the classified ads go?

I do agree that using ebay to find a bargain is hard work these days. Where's their competition going to come from? Gumtree as an alternative is utter tripe.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: alexb on 23 March, 2009, 10:40:03 am
I prefer semi private deals now. Almost everything I've sold recently has either been through here or at the forum at work.

Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Sir Tifiable on 23 March, 2009, 10:49:18 am
Interesting, though. Local newspapers are on the verge of oblivion because their classified advertising has been all but wiped out by tinternet. If ebay moves away from its original premise as a forum for private individuals selling second hand stuff, to becoming an online warehouse sale of unsold stock for commercial sellers (ebay itself has indicated that this is its strategy - but can't remember where I read that) then where do the classified ads go?

I do agree that using ebay to find a bargain is hard work these days. Where's their competition going to come from? Gumtree as an alternative is utter tripe.

Note the link to Gumtree at the bottom of the main eBay page, just after Skype and PayPal  :-\

Any guesses as to who owns Gumtree?
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Charlotte on 23 March, 2009, 10:59:54 am
Any guesses as to who owns Gumtree?

Anti-competitive?  Shurly not. (http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,39199141,00.htm)
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: redshift on 23 March, 2009, 01:12:50 pm
Not tried them yet, but there are alternatives, for general (http://uk.ebid.net/) and also specialist (http://www.specialistauctions.com/) stuff.  Specialist Auctions have been moving to pick up the knifemaking traders and collectors since ebay hit the 'ban' button, and I noticed that at least one seller I know from ebay has an account on eBid.  eBid's model seems to be based on a 3% final value fee for casual sellers, or a fixed yearly fee for those who take their business there.  Specialist Auctions fee seems to be 3% of final value too.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Kathy on 23 March, 2009, 01:21:47 pm
We sold the car on eBay, got considerably more than we reckoned we would have elsewhere (the car was worth about £500, and had a dodgy head gasket costing £450 to repair professionally plus potential holes in the radiator, and we didn't have the time, tools or inclination to repair it ourselves. In the end, it sold for a final price of £412). The person collected it and paid in cash so we didn't have to worry about paypal fees, and the eBay fee structure for second-hand cars is quite straightforward.

But I'm finding eBay less good for buying other things - it's all private shops using it as another outlet, charging exactly the same as they do in their online shop.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 March, 2009, 01:48:48 pm
craigslist is getting a lot of traction in some parts of the world as a classified ad-style marketplace.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: RJ on 23 March, 2009, 02:01:23 pm
<snip>
eBay have got too greedy.  Theirs is the ultimate e-business model - they buy nothing, they sell nothing and they ship nothing.  Yet they rake it in.  <snip>

I sold some books at auction earlier this year.  The auctioneers take commission from both buyer and seller in relation to the "hammer price" (what the cove with gavel says "gone" to).  Buyer pays {hammer price + y%}; seller gets {hammer price - x%}; auction house gets {x+y% of hammer price} - let's say around a third, consideradbly more than the traditional shilling-in-the-guinea.

So in one sense the e-bay business model uisn't new.  A good auction house will do more than passively host your stuff.  Whether x+y% is worth it is another matter.

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Have eBay got too big for their boots?

Quite possibly ... 
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 23 March, 2009, 07:33:26 pm
I can live with the fees, but it really pisses me off that sellers can't leave -ve feedback for buyers, no matter how much they piss us around.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 23 March, 2009, 07:41:00 pm
I have a love/hate relationship with eBay.  I don't like the size of the fees or the way the auctions operate (they're not proper auctions; if they kept extending the auction until 15 minutes after the last bid, maybe, otherwise you might as well just snipe all the time).  On the other hand, stuff normally sells on there and they have 99.99% of potential UK auction buyers, which is unlikely to change anytime soon.  I understand that in some countries Yahoo! got in there first and eBay doesn't get a look in.

It's brilliant as a buyer for NOS or s/h stuff- where would I have found obscure Sturmey-Archer hubs or Benotto handlebar tape 10 years ago?  You do need a well-attuned bullshit detector though, especially if you want to buy a new mobile phone (which I have done three times, all successful).

I suppose it's the Ryanair business model - you really, really have to alienate your customers if they're going to leave.  Mostly they just grumble and stick with it.

Money Central - Times Online - WBLG: Twenty reasons never to fly Ryanair (http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/money_weblog/2009/03/20-reasons-not-to-fly-ryanair.html)
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Biggsy on 23 March, 2009, 08:00:33 pm
I'm not happy with the Final Value Value going up to 10% and with no limit, and I'm not happy with the PayPal fees.  However, I do still find eBay extremely useful for selling as well as buying on a regular basis.  Remember that your fees effectively pay for a world-wide advert as well as a very convenient service.

Cheque and postal order are still allowable methods for many categories and listing lengths.  It's only certain ones that are PayPal only - supposedly for security reasons.  Hardly any of my buyers ever opt for anything other than PayPal anyway when I give them the choice.

On balance, I'm pleased that sellers cannot leave negative feedback for buyers.  It has stopped tit-for-tat feedback from professionally bad sellers - a fundamental nasty flaw of the previous system that was very commonly a problem.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Valiant on 24 March, 2009, 02:52:38 am
Tis the reason I stopped selling stuff there. Occasionally buy the odd thing. They do take the piss.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Adrian on 24 March, 2009, 06:47:24 am
You've missed out the very worst aspect of Ebay selling, having to queue up in the Post Office.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Hummers on 24 March, 2009, 07:30:14 am
Come come.

With out eBay, where would I submit pictures of highly polished brass kettles and dining room tables below full length mirrors...

Hmmmmmm?

H
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: jellied on 29 March, 2009, 11:51:19 am
And another thing - they now cap P&P for categories.

Just try to list a bulky magazine collection - choose "magazines" and it says the most I can charge is £2.75, bit tricky given all 75 issues weigh 6KG.

Dig around and find another category for "collections", use their P&P estimator and it comes out with a minimum of £11.40, but the most I can charge is £7.00.

Not happy, I know some people were using high P&P charges to avoid fees, but these were pretty easy to spot.

Sigh.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 03 August, 2020, 11:44:33 am
Had a buyer send me three semi-literate messages in quick succession after buying and paying for a fork, of which this is the longest:

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Cancel you have not dispachedyet if you look at the time pressing buttons in bed at 2 in the morning sleeping on my phone,i have no use for this order whatsoever please refund immediately

So, in his sleep, he pressed "buy it now", then "pay now", then "make payment"?

That's the most BS joybidder excuse I've had since, "This is <name>'s wife.  He had a heart attack on the day the auction ended so won't be riding again."
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: FifeingEejit on 03 August, 2020, 12:38:06 pm
Still pished?
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: SoreTween on 03 August, 2020, 12:53:15 pm
I sold a laptop yesterday.  It went for £180 plus £15 p&p.

eBay charged me £0.35p to list it (it would have been much more, but I started it at 99p) and £17.99 "final value fee".  Then Paypal (also eBay) charged me £6.83 to receive the payment.  That's £25.17 fees in all.  Given that I don't overcharge for postage, I'm actually getting £154.83 for my laptop.  Less if I've screwed up on postage.

I think when the bill comes in at the end of the month you'll find there's 10% charge on the P&P as well.  I only list when there's offers now. I sold a bunch of stuff/tqt in one month at the start of lockdown, I'm now getting 5% offers come through but I shall hold out for the £1 all in offers.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 03 August, 2020, 01:09:57 pm
I sold a laptop yesterday.  It went for £180 plus £15 p&p.

eBay charged me £0.35p to list it (it would have been much more, but I started it at 99p) and £17.99 "final value fee".  Then Paypal (also eBay) charged me £6.83 to receive the payment.  That's £25.17 fees in all.  Given that I don't overcharge for postage, I'm actually getting £154.83 for my laptop.  Less if I've screwed up on postage.

I think when the bill comes in at the end of the month you'll find there's 10% charge on the P&P as well.  I only list when there's offers now. I sold a bunch of stuff/tqt in one month at the start of lockdown, I'm now getting 5% offers come through but I shall hold out for the £1 all in offers.

Given that the original post was 11 years ago,  I'd imagine the bill arrived quite some time ago. ;)
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: SoreTween on 03 August, 2020, 04:22:26 pm
D'oh! :facepalm:
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 03 August, 2020, 04:41:13 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: quixoticgeek on 03 August, 2020, 05:10:58 pm

Some high quality thread necromancy here. Nicely done!

J
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 03 August, 2020, 06:16:19 pm
eBay is the undead.  Nothing can kill it, not even coronavirus.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: hubner on 04 August, 2020, 12:34:45 pm
IME, the seller will get about 80% of the actual price (item price + P&P) paid by the buyer. It varies a bit depending on the postage, if the postage is high compared with the item price, then it can go down even 50%.

Eg, I sold an item for £5, P&P was £4, so the buyer paid £9, but I only got about £4.

Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 27 August, 2020, 02:53:34 pm
This week's experience: won some new PD-6800 SPD-SL pedals for £47 (!) and paid instantly.

Next day seller sends a brusque message "your payment is short.  Please pay the postage."

I send him the PayPal receipt.  He says he's only had £48.68, not £50.70.

I ask if he knows about PayPal fees.

It goes quiet for a bit.

He messages saying he knows about the fees but they've never done it that way before  ???  Also says he will post them now and I am very lucky.

They turn up today.  They are fine, but he charged me for first class and sent them second class.  What a cockwomble.

Ultimately, he's pissed off because he expected £100, I suppose.  Well, 9.30 on a Sunday morning is not the optimum time to end an auction  :facepalm:
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: archy on 13 September, 2020, 11:42:54 am
Selling a shopper bike that Mrs A no longer uses. 

A bit of a bidding war pushes the price up, two bidders, 18 bids. 

Get a message from one bidder asking me to cancel because they had a fall..

Pretty much means the bidding gets back to the very low starting price and now there are just a few hours to go!  Cancelled bids, not a good look.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 16 November, 2020, 09:36:33 am
Message from joybidder today: "Please cancel all my bids thank you I’ve already bought one".

There isn't much you can do except cancel the bids and block them so they can never bid on your auctions again.  Ebay rules don't allow scatterbidding but, if you force them to go through with it, there goes your 100% feedback.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 21 February, 2021, 03:15:50 pm
I've noticed an increasing trend for items to be pulled early. Either they're listed for more elsewhere or deals are being done to avoid eBay fees.  This has always gone on but, on items with bids in place, it is fucking rude.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Hot Flatus on 21 February, 2021, 06:48:46 pm
It could be the effect of FB Marketplace.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: archy on 21 February, 2021, 07:13:59 pm


Told my bidder I was not prepared to cancel.  It was fine, they didn't win and I got a good price; it was a nice quality machine despite being a bit last century.. 

Most of my ebay purchases are BIN these days.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 21 February, 2021, 08:32:28 pm


Most of my ebay purchases are BIN these days.
I've got a handful of vintage cameras in 'spares or repair' condition that I must get around to selling - and I'm certainly not messing with auctions. It's too much aggravation these days.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 21 February, 2021, 09:05:46 pm
If I have an offer declined on an auction, I get a little satisfaction from placing a bid for less than the offer.

E.g. new pair of Ultegra pedals: offer of £70 declined, bid £69, won for £43  ;D
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: SoreTween on 23 February, 2021, 10:57:18 am
Dear fucking ebay.  Will you please bastard well cease with the annoying show-&-shuffle search results.  You show me exactly what I want then shuffle the results 0.5 seconds later with the perfect match nowhere to be seen.  Pack it the fuck in.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 25 February, 2021, 09:25:47 am
I bought these a couple of weeks ago.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233903110397

They are as rough as a buzzard's crutch, with bearings totally rusted out on both sides (rubber seals long disappeared - very hard to see in the photos) so I sent them back for a refund.  The seller has just relisted them, still with no mention of their scrap condition.

I think I ought to leave feedback as a warning.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: hubner on 25 February, 2021, 05:00:07 pm
I treat any listing without a description of condition with suspicion, eg:

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Item name (eg shimano spd pedals pd-m323, Makita drill etc). Condition is "Used". Dispatched with Royal Mail 1st Class.

Loads of listings have just that in the description, nothing else.

Either the seller is lazy or dishonest.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: barakta on 25 February, 2021, 07:20:23 pm
He's also bragging about his 100% feedback, perhaps he needs some honest feedback.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: grams on 25 February, 2021, 07:26:15 pm
I treat any listing without a description of condition with suspicion,

They autogenerate that.

I usually find I have little else to say, other than some variation on "good condition but usual wear and tear", which is entirely meaningless.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: hubner on 27 February, 2021, 03:28:57 pm
I thought it might be automatic because so many listings have the same exact description, which makes it even worse as the seller doesn't even bother to write anything at all.

I also pass over any listing with "the photos form part of the description".
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 28 February, 2021, 07:58:47 am


I also pass over any listing with "the photos form part of the description".
I scan through the 'cheap old film camera' listings most weeks and am bemused by the relatively large number of cameras that are 'working', 'tested' or 'tested with film' when they use obsolete film types.
Ditto anything listed as 'rare' - your description of it as collectable does not double the price, (particularly if its an Instamatic) .
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 28 February, 2021, 07:14:49 pm
Sold a low-value item this evening (started bidding at 99p). Bids received, item ended. eBay is now telling me "Sorry, this item did not sell" whilst also telling me it sold. Clicking on the actual item shows at the top: "You sold this item | Relist" - no option to send an invoice to the winner as it normally would.

I'm thoroughly confused. I think it's sold, but it's also saying it's not... ???
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 28 February, 2021, 07:20:06 pm
Sold a low-value item this evening (started bidding at 99p). Bids received, item ended. eBay is now telling me "Sorry, this item did not sell" whilst also telling me it sold. Clicking on the actual item shows at the top: "You sold this item | Relist" - no option to send an invoice to the winner as it normally would.

I'm thoroughly confused. I think it's sold, but it's also saying it's not... ???

Ah well, buyer has paid, so clearly eBay was just having a moment.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 06 April, 2021, 06:49:29 pm
Ordered 28 spokes.  Seller does them in 8s or 2s.  I ordered 3 x 8 and 2 x 2.

I got 40  ???
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: grams on 06 April, 2021, 09:30:18 pm
The bastard.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: archy on 07 April, 2021, 01:42:58 am
I recently won an auction.  On my phone it said it had 3 minutes less time remaining than the countdown on my laptop. At the risk of inflating the price I went with the mobile and won. I forgot to look at what the laptop countdown did but I would have lost the bidding if I hadn’t used a mobile instead. Never seen that before.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: robgul on 07 April, 2021, 07:44:27 am
I recently won an auction.  On my phone it said it had 3 minutes less time remaining than the countdown on my laptop. At the risk of inflating the price I went with the mobile and won. I forgot to look at what the laptop countdown did but I would have lost the bidding if I hadn’t used a mobile instead. Never seen that before.

Moral of the story:  Use AuctionSniper - it's the only way I bid now.   Decide on max I'll bid, enter the details and forget about it until I either get the winner email, or the end time passes I don't.  Stops you getting carried away with bids.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 07 April, 2021, 07:51:52 am
The bastard.
I know.  He could at least have sent enough to build another wheel  ;D
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Hot Flatus on 07 April, 2021, 08:19:57 am
The bastard.
I know.  He could at least have sent enough to build another wheel  ;D

It's a bit like the free gifts toys you got on children's comics in the 70s that required you to buy the next one to get a key component for the toy.

I once got a shoe from the 80s paranormal mag 'The Unexplained', but had to buy the following month's edition to get the charred foot to go in it.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 07 April, 2021, 12:38:38 pm
I recently won an auction.  On my phone it said it had 3 minutes less time remaining than the countdown on my laptop. At the risk of inflating the price I went with the mobile and won. I forgot to look at what the laptop countdown did but I would have lost the bidding if I hadn’t used a mobile instead. Never seen that before.

Moral of the story:  Use AuctionSniper - it's the only way I bid now.   Decide on max I'll bid, enter the details and forget about it until I either get the winner email, or the end time passes I don't.  Stops you getting carried away with bids.
I only buy on auctions in ebay with the Gixen sniper.
Like you, i decide what i think it (usually an old camera) is worth *to me* - enter that, and a week or so later i get a surprise email saying 'outbid' or 'pay now'.
I'll occasionally look at the control panel and be astonished at what some people appear to be paying (unless, as i suspect, there's jigger pokery at work occasionally).
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: ian on 07 April, 2021, 12:45:18 pm
The bastard.
I know.  He could at least have sent enough to build another wheel  ;D

It's a bit like the free gifts toys you got on children's comics in the 70s that required you to buy the next one to get a key component for the toy.

I once got a shoe from the 80s paranormal mag 'The Unexplained', but had to buy the following month's edition to get the charred foot to go in it.

if you bought the last ever issue, you got the entire Templar fortune (27p at 1984 prices).
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rafletcher on 23 April, 2021, 08:33:29 am
So the latest money making trick (as if eBay needed one) is the new, convenient "get paid directly into your bank account" requirement.  I was "invited" to set this up recently, not that there appears to be any choice in the matter. And yeserday I made my first sale since. So I get the confirmation email which informs me that the payment - unless subject to some unspecified "hold"" will be "initiated" by eBay within 2 business days, and then subject to "normal bank processing times".  So instead of instant payment, it'll take 2-3 working days to get your funds. No wonder farcebook marketplace is growing.

ETA Just checked an my payment (less the extortionate fees - another reason to minimise use of eBay now) is indeed expected to complete by the 26th.  I'll not be posting the item until I see the money in my account.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: hubner on 23 April, 2021, 09:18:13 am
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/11/ebay-axes-paypal-sellers-bank-accounts-upping-fees/

I heard about it recently.

Ebay has also changed paying by Paypal as a buyer. Now there's a redirect to Paypal's website where you have to log in to complete the payment.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Pedal Castro on 23 April, 2021, 05:59:17 pm
Hmm, I've just started using ebay to sell off various incomplete cigarette card sets but not sure how to more successfully dispose of the 500+ complete sets so I will try FB marketplace I think.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Giraffe on 24 April, 2021, 09:25:22 am
As a buyer, there is no alternative to Ebay other than, to some extent, Amazon. I looked at other sites and they're useless - none of the items that I've recently bought aren't on them; nothing too specialised but nothing there.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 17 May, 2021, 08:17:47 pm
Had an email from J. Random Browser asking why something was £5 and is now £32.  Well, it got no bids at £5 (books don't tend to sell as auctions because people want them now) so is now BIN for £32 and can sit there until it sells.  It's still the cheapest copy of the book on eBay.  If you wanted it that much, you should have bid at £5, you knob.

I blocked him as a buyer.  He'd never leave good feedback.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 05 June, 2021, 08:29:54 am
Fed up of shite search results where people have put Apollo Bike not Colnago, Sunrace like Shimano, or similar keyword spamming.  There is a specific eBay report form to get such listings removed (misuse of a brand name for search and browse manipulation) but, as you'd expect, they do absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: robgul on 05 June, 2021, 12:08:55 pm
Fed up of shite search results where people have put Apollo Bike not Colnago, Sunrace like Shimano, or similar keyword spamming.  There is a specific eBay report form to get such listings removed (misuse of a brand name for search and browse manipulation) but, as you'd expect, they do absolutely nothing.

That's not just ebay - it's any search for anything on Google and/or other search facilities seeding the broadest possible descriptions into websites . . .  and a whole load of goatee-bearded Hoxton "meeja" hipsters are making money by setting all this up for all manner of businesses.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: hubner on 05 June, 2021, 12:55:24 pm
Fed up of shite search results where people have put Apollo Bike not Colnago, Sunrace like Shimano, or similar keyword spamming.  There is a specific eBay report form to get such listings removed (misuse of a brand name for search and browse manipulation) but, as you'd expect, they do absolutely nothing.

That's been going on for years, probably since Ebay started.

I've seen:

C Record era referring to Athena or other lower group stuff,
eroica for anything old,
fixie for practically anything.

Another browsing manipulation is where Buy it Now listings offer variations of the same product, eg different colours or sizes. It means you don't have to have a separate listing for each colour etc. But Ebay lets you include anything in the listing and also differents prices.

If you include a cheap item for 99p along with the actual product, eg £9.99, the listing shows up as "99p - £9.99" and gets to the top of the search/browse results sorted by price.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 14 June, 2021, 05:23:43 pm
"New" chainring arrives.

Filthy with oil.  Scars on the back from the chain dropping the the inner ring.  Two broken teeth.  I left neutral feedback sayjng it was very obviously used.  I wish I'd left negative feedback.  I'll just sell it on as I dislike dealing with shysters.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: archy on 14 June, 2021, 07:06:38 pm
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I'll just sell it on as I dislike dealing with shysters

..err right..
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Tim Hall on 14 June, 2021, 07:33:08 pm
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I'll just sell it on as I dislike dealing with shysters

..err right..
Presumably sell it on as used and with an honest description.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 14 June, 2021, 08:11:51 pm
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I'll just sell it on as I dislike dealing with shysters

..err right..
Presumably sell it on as used and with an honest description.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334040072159
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: archy on 14 June, 2021, 08:13:59 pm
If it was described as new then you should get a refund - misdescription.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 14 June, 2021, 08:57:15 pm
If it was described as new then you should get a refund - misdescription.
Yes.  And I could.  But for a likely loss of less than a fiver, I'd rather just warn other buyers and move on.   I don't want to engage in conversation with such people, and getting return postage refunded can be a nightmare.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Kim on 14 June, 2021, 10:46:19 pm
Fed up of shite search results where people have put Apollo Bike not Colnago, Sunrace like Shimano, or similar keyword spamming.  There is a specific eBay report form to get such listings removed (misuse of a brand name for search and browse manipulation) but, as you'd expect, they do absolutely nothing.

That's been going on for years, probably since Ebay started.

I've seen:

C Record era referring to Athena or other lower group stuff,
eroica for anything old,
fixie for practically anything.

And the perennial favourite for anything that might concievably be used for hydroponics or weighing small quantities of things: "NOT CANNABIS"
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 27 June, 2021, 11:25:15 am
Ordered a Brompton RH brake lever with bell (new style).  Good price.  Evidently too good, because it's never arrived and the seller hasn't responded.  Will get a refund from eBay but it delays a project  >:(
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Pickled Onion on 27 June, 2021, 02:47:08 pm
Ordered 28 spokes.  Seller does them in 8s or 2s.  I ordered 3 x 8 and 2 x 2.

I got 40  ???

Some time ago I ordered some RJ45 plugs priced individually but packaged in packs of twelve. So I ordered 24 which came to £1.20 inc postage. They sent 24 packs — I don’t think I’ll need any more this lifetime!
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: robgul on 27 June, 2021, 05:28:06 pm
Ordered 28 spokes.  Seller does them in 8s or 2s.  I ordered 3 x 8 and 2 x 2.

I got 40  ???

Some time ago I ordered some RJ45 plugs priced individually but packaged in packs of twelve. So I ordered 24 which came to £1.20 inc postage. They sent 24 packs — I don’t think I’ll need any more this lifetime!

Similar thing happened to me a while back - ordered some fluorescent tube fittings for my barn workshop - packed in 4s - received 16.  Good old Wickes - they told me to keep them  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Kim on 27 June, 2021, 09:26:52 pm
Some time ago I ordered some RJ45 plugs priced individually but packaged in packs of twelve. So I ordered 24 which came to £1.20 inc postage. They sent 24 packs — I don’t think I’ll need any more this lifetime!

Similar thing happened to me a while back - ordered some fluorescent tube fittings for my barn workshop - packed in 4s - received 16.  Good old Wickes - they told me to keep them  :thumbsup:

Ever noticed how the probability of this happening seems to be inversely proportional to the usefulness of the items concerned?
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: robgul on 28 June, 2021, 08:03:01 am
Some time ago I ordered some RJ45 plugs priced individually but packaged in packs of twelve. So I ordered 24 which came to £1.20 inc postage. They sent 24 packs — I don’t think I’ll need any more this lifetime!

Similar thing happened to me a while back - ordered some fluorescent tube fittings for my barn workshop - packed in 4s - received 16.  Good old Wickes - they told me to keep them  :thumbsup:

Ever noticed how the probability of this happening seems to be inversely proportional to the usefulness of the items concerned?

Sort of - once I installed the 4 tubes I thought I bought I found that the barn (BIG) needed another 4 - I later built two internal rooms in said barn and used 4 more - then used the last 4 at the next house I bought for the large garage.   

Current workshop at another house now has LED battens - bright as an operating theatre and very low energy consumption (ordered 3 and 3 were delivered  :'( )

I do have a spare battery nail gun as a result of over-delivery  ;D
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: fd3 on 28 June, 2021, 10:49:47 pm
These days if you want to sell second hand then use FB.  We sold the cargo trike in a week - Bank Transfer, no fees.  eBawho?
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 29 June, 2021, 07:28:37 am
FB Marketplace is a scary place though, with nothing to insulate you from the idiocy of the Great British Public.  There was an item for sale locally where, instead of a photo of the item, she'd used a screenshot of an SMS conversation between herself and her employee  :facepalm:

Also, they know where you live.

It is the best place to buy a s/h Brompton, though.  As long as it's not nicked.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: robgul on 29 June, 2021, 07:47:38 am
These days if you want to sell second hand then use FB.  We sold the cargo trike in a week - Bank Transfer, no fees.  eBawho?

I've been quite successful with Gumtree for flogging stuff - all cash on collection payment and no fees.   Just have to be aware that some enthusiastic buyers fail to show up so don't stop the ad until the item has been paid for.

The best "miracle deal" I've had:  replaced the granite worktops in the kitchen (quite a lot of it with one bit 2.5m long) - put it on Gumtree for £500 not expecting a result - got a bite from someone on the south coast (I'm in Warwickshire) wanting to buy it.  Deal made at the price with a £50 deposit by bank transfer (my non/seldom-used account) subject to the fitters getting it all out ready for collection - if they bust anything I refund the deposit)  Success and everything outside for collection - balance paid to bank and a van and driver sent (alone) to collect.  It was made clear that no loading help was available for the very heavy granite - and own risk etc.  Loading was farcical but successful and I got a gushing message of thanks the next day from the buyer.

Fastest sale has been 8 minutes for a bench vice at £30 - collected within the hour from posting.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 02 July, 2021, 04:05:38 pm
Only one 52T 110BCD chainguard exists, it's metal, and you have to buy it from Taiwan.  They shipped it in a jiffy bag.  It turned up bent  :facepalm:
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 08 July, 2021, 10:58:36 am
Just received an item not received request for something I sold 2 months ago. Unfortunately, I haven't kept the proof of posting details (I got rid of them a couple of weeks ago as I thought that it was safe by that point, since I'd expect the buyer to have got in touch before now).

However, just checked and the buyer left positive feedback, so I'm confused. ???
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 08 July, 2021, 12:23:34 pm
Just received an item not received request for something I sold 2 months ago. Unfortunately, I haven't kept the proof of posting details (I got rid of them a couple of weeks ago as I thought that it was safe by that point, since I'd expect the buyer to have got in touch before now).

However, just checked and the buyer left positive feedback, so I'm confused. ???

Well, that was pleasantly easy to resolve. Spoke to live chat, and as it had been well over 30 days since the estimated delivery date, the case was closed. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: rogerzilla on 29 July, 2021, 09:27:43 pm
I refer to the parcel that turned up after a refund: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=83743.msg2645311#msg2645311

Buyer wants to pay me and asks for.my PayPal address.

We don't have each others' PayPal details as the new eBay managed payments obscure them.

I can't send him any contact or payment details as eBay, desperate not to lose their pound of flesh, are blocking all such messages, although they told me on the phone to arrange payment between ourselves.

Luckily I have his postal address and a first class stamp.  Good luck blocking that, eBay  8)
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: archy on 30 July, 2021, 12:29:38 pm
Trying to schedule a listing and ebay says 30 July is Thursday..
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Mr Larrington on 30 July, 2021, 12:33:24 pm
(Checks date/time display at top of fondleslab screen)

I've been one day out all week.  Probably due to skipping dinner on Monday because sizeable lunch.
Title: Re: eBay rant
Post by: Little Jim on 30 July, 2021, 12:43:40 pm
I refer to the parcel that turned up after a refund: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=83743.msg2645311#msg2645311

Buyer wants to pay me and asks for.my PayPal address.

We don't have each others' PayPal details as the new eBay managed payments obscure them.

I can't send him any contact or payment details as eBay, desperate not to lose their pound of flesh, are blocking all such messages, although they told me on the phone to arrange payment between ourselves.

Luckily I have his postal address and a first class stamp.  Good luck blocking that, eBay  8)

I think you can still send him a photograph of the "item".  Or your address and phone number.