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Title: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rogerzilla on 26 August, 2014, 08:16:06 pm
Proving that, if you're fat, it's all your fault.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/395923/Katie-Hopkins-weight-gain

Second comment under the article wins the Internet.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: David Martin on 26 August, 2014, 08:57:33 pm
She should stay at that weight for a year and then try to lose it ..

Many of the commenters have it right - weight loss is not trivial or easy for many.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Dibdib on 26 August, 2014, 09:08:05 pm
It's nice that she's done the ice bucket challenge, I guess, but I'd rather she did the "bottomless pit" challenge.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: bumper on 26 August, 2014, 09:29:48 pm
39, my arse!

If she keeps talking, she may say something intelligent.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: ian on 26 August, 2014, 09:45:37 pm
She should stay at that weight for a year and then try to lose it ..

Many of the commenters have it right - weight loss is not trivial or easy for many.

Though nor is it impossible. It worries me that that everyone is a victim and no one can be responsible for their own weight.

Yeah, I was a fatty. I shed over a third of my body weight. Everyone does the well, it was easy for you (huh?). Nope, losing six stone was fucking hard. But that's not the same as impossible. The entire slow metabolism thing is cack.

Mind you, I've no idea who Katie Hopkins is. Didn't she marry Tom Cruise?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Jaded on 26 August, 2014, 11:26:20 pm
Is she a minister too?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Basil on 26 August, 2014, 11:43:40 pm
No, I think she married Tony Visconti.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: David Martin on 27 August, 2014, 07:45:42 pm
She should stay at that weight for a year and then try to lose it ..

Many of the commenters have it right - weight loss is not trivial or easy for many.

Though nor is it impossible. It worries me that that everyone is a victim and no one can be responsible for their own weight.

Yeah, I was a fatty. I shed over a third of my body weight. Everyone does the well, it was easy for you (huh?). Nope, losing six stone was fucking hard. But that's not the same as impossible. The entire slow metabolism thing is cack.

Part of it depends on the number of fat cells you have and their condition. If you undergo liposuction (removing fat cells) and then add weight it can be very serious for diabetes etc.

Fat cells act as a buffer  - as long as you don't exceed that buffer then you can add/lose weight at will. Go over and you have interesting effects: Breakdown of your endocrine system leading to diabetes. Generation of more fat cells (so you cant easily shed so much weight. And so on.

So Katy Hopkins is an ignorant person who fails to understand the full complexity of the issue. However, what she says is very true for a substantial proportion of the obese, but not all. The name calling for those who have a metabolic defect is unfair and unhelpful.

Ultimately weight is not a be all and end all. It is a symptom, not a cause. It can make an active lifestyle more difficult, but it is better to be fat and fit rather than skinny-fat.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: ian on 28 August, 2014, 11:34:57 am
The thing is that the majority of fat people don't have a metabolic defect. They have a lifestyle defect. Sure, one eventually compounds the other, and I'm not saying it's simple. But the entire 'slow metabolism' meme is annoying and generally untrue. It's not, to be honest, easy for anyone to lose weight, but for most people it's doable. Obesity is a huge health threat and not something we should normalise. People have slow metabolisms because they sit down all day, consider exercise a walk across a car park, and portion control to be running out of Pringles.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 August, 2014, 11:48:44 am
FAT SHAMER!!!!!

(http://halen.com/evh/modules/PNphpBB2/files/312_lynch_mobb2_198.gif)
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 28 August, 2014, 02:19:00 pm
There can be a noticeable variance in weight gain/loss among people, even those eating similar things and doing similar amounts of exercise.

I do what most fit people would consider to be a reasonable amount of exercise, mostly commuting by bike (a 24 and a bit mile round trip) but I usually manage it at least four days a week and quite often  a full house (I think I have maybe not cycled to work only five or six times since I moved at the end of June).  I go to the gym a couple of times a week now and will quite often do a longer bike ride at the weekend – maybe four to five hours or so.

I try not to eat too much in the way of cakes, crisps and chocolate.  I weight my carbs before cooking them and limit myself to only a few take away meals a month now.

So on average, I’m doing at least twelve hours of fairly good exercise a week but I still find it very hard to avoid putting weight on.  I only really noticeably lose weight if I’m doing a lot more exercise than that, so losing weight is not an easy thing for some people at all.  I only really notice weight loss on weeks where I’m doing 200 miles or more on the bike.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 28 August, 2014, 02:38:18 pm
Response to exercise also varies.

Not so much since I've hit middle-age, but certainly when I was younger I struggled to keep weight on. Not exercising caused me to lose weight, even though I still ate a lot.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: davelodwig on 28 August, 2014, 02:39:26 pm
While I'm struggling to motivate myself at the moment I find it disturbingly unfair that I only have to look at a chocolate bar and I'm gaining weight yet the skinny bugger that sits next to me eats one everyday. I hate the fact I do so much exercise that I'm running myself into the ground and yet some people go to the gym a bit and the weight falls off.

I was running intervals this week though the park that runs across the bottom of the airport and a chap runs up and says "well done sport for having a go at running" I almost smacked his lights out but didn't and pointed out that after 4000km of running under the belt I'm hardly having a go. he looked decidedly confused.

I look forward to the winter, to the rain, the snow, and the sleet cos all the "healthy" summer cyclists and runners go indoors and leave me alone outside to get one with enjoying myself without feeling like a failure.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 28 August, 2014, 03:38:24 pm
While I'm struggling to motivate myself at the moment I find it disturbingly unfair that I only have to look at a chocolate bar and I'm gaining weight yet the skinny bugger that sits next to me eats one everyday. I hate the fact I do so much exercise that I'm running myself into the ground and yet some people go to the gym a bit and the weight falls off.

I was running intervals this week though the park that runs across the bottom of the airport and a chap runs up and says "well done sport for having a go at running" I almost smacked his lights out but didn't and pointed out that after 4000km of running under the belt I'm hardly having a go. he looked decidedly confused.

I look forward to the winter, to the rain, the snow, and the sleet cos all the "healthy" summer cyclists and runners go indoors and leave me alone outside to get one with enjoying myself without feeling like a failure.

Yep.  I'm the fattest cyclist on our floor and currently at 5,055 miles for the year...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Basil on 28 August, 2014, 05:52:06 pm
I'm not sure how it works at all.  I've always been skinny.  And my weight doesn't fluctuate at all.
Up until my late 40s I used eat huge amounts, since then my appetite has declined greatly, this has made absolutely no difference to my weight.
I didn't ride a bike at all for a period of about five years in my late 30s.  It made no difference to my weight.
I don't think that I could put weight on even if I tried really hard.  I'm a mesomorph (after googling, I find that what I meant to say is that I'm an ectomorph).
For this reason I do believe that there must be people for whom the opposite must be true and I think it quite unfair to stigmatise them.

Edited to correct my body type.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Nuncio on 28 August, 2014, 10:41:16 pm
Edited to correct my body type.
I thought the point was you couldn't change your body type.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: geraldc on 28 August, 2014, 10:49:24 pm
She's a genius.

She wouldn't get employed as a columnist if she didn't stir people up.

The best selling DVD for the last few years Xmases have been weight loss vids.

She's ex military so she can do the fitness and has the discipline to stick to the diet. She's going to coin it in.

If this works, this will get her attention in the US, and since they've fired Piers Morgan, the resident loud mouth Brit role is vacant.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: ian on 28 August, 2014, 10:54:06 pm
Life is unfair. I'm resigned to the fact that I have to do plenty of exercise to stay thin yet there are people who stay skinny on a diet of pasties for whom exercise is provided by the remote control. There is no sense in stigmatising people for being fat. But obesity is a major problem and it is a disease primarily of affluence. It shouldn't be normal.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Chris S on 28 August, 2014, 10:54:39 pm
She's a genius.

She wouldn't get employed as a columnist if she didn't stir people up.

The best selling DVD for the last few years Xmases have been weight loss vids.

She's ex military so she can do the fitness and has the discipline to stick to the diet. She's going to coin it in.

If this works, this well get her attention in the US, and since they've fired Piers Morgan, the resident loud mouth Brit role is vacant.

Proof once more, as if anyone needed it, there is no god.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Chris S on 28 August, 2014, 11:01:22 pm
But obesity is a major problem and it is a disease primarily of affluence. It shouldn't be normal.

Erm... you have to be really careful with statements like that!

Picking a Dr Google hit at random: http://frac.org/initiatives/hunger-and-obesity/are-low-income-people-at-greater-risk-for-overweight-or-obesity/

Specifically:

Based on a large national study, body mass index (or BMI, an indicator of excess body fat) was higher every year between 1986 and 2002 among adults in the lowest income group and the lowest education group than among those in the highest income and education groups, respectively (Truong & Sturm, 2005).

ETA: In the UK, there's less of a pattern: http://www.poverty.org.uk/63/index.shtml
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 August, 2014, 11:10:35 pm
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Based on a large national study, body mass index (or BMI, an indicator of excess body fat) was higher every year between 1986 and 2002 among adults in the lowest income group and the lowest education group


Ah....so its a thick peoples' disease then.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Chris S on 28 August, 2014, 11:11:47 pm
Ah....so its a thick peoples' disease then.

 ::-)
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 August, 2014, 11:16:25 pm
 :demon:
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: ian on 29 August, 2014, 02:38:21 pm
But obesity is a major problem and it is a disease primarily of affluence. It shouldn't be normal.

Erm... you have to be really careful with statements like that!

Picking a Dr Google hit at random: http://frac.org/initiatives/hunger-and-obesity/are-low-income-people-at-greater-risk-for-overweight-or-obesity/

Specifically:

Based on a large national study, body mass index (or BMI, an indicator of excess body fat) was higher every year between 1986 and 2002 among adults in the lowest income group and the lowest education group than among those in the highest income and education groups, respectively (Truong & Sturm, 2005).

ETA: In the UK, there's less of a pattern: http://www.poverty.org.uk/63/index.shtml

I think you misunderstand affluence. By any measure, on a global scale, people in the UK are vastly affluent. You don't get fat unless you have access to affordable calories in whatever format. There's yet to be a famine resulting from an outbreak of excessively high metabolism.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Bledlow on 29 August, 2014, 04:55:16 pm
But obesity is a major problem and it is a disease primarily of affluence. It shouldn't be normal.

Erm... you have to be really careful with statements like that!

Picking a Dr Google hit at random: http://frac.org/initiatives/hunger-and-obesity/are-low-income-people-at-greater-risk-for-overweight-or-obesity/

Specifically:

Based on a large national study, body mass index (or BMI, an indicator of excess body fat) was higher every year between 1986 and 2002 among adults in the lowest income group and the lowest education group than among those in the highest income and education groups, respectively (Truong & Sturm, 2005).

ETA: In the UK, there's less of a pattern: http://www.poverty.org.uk/63/index.shtml
No, he's right. Even poor (defined as relative to the average) people in this country & other developed countries are mostly affluent in world & historical terms. They can & do eat plenty, all the time. That wasn't true of most of our ancestors, & it isn't true for a large (though shrinking) proportion of the world.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 29 August, 2014, 04:56:14 pm
Can we please stick to slagging off Katie Hopkins rather than telling fat people why they're unacceptable again?

A friend of mine saw her coming out of a motorway service station toilet cubicle and leaving the toilets without washing her hands. I'd happily send her off to America, but can't we make them keep Piers too?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: ian on 29 August, 2014, 07:05:42 pm
Can we please stick to slagging off Katie Hopkins rather than telling fat people why they're unacceptable again?

A friend of mine saw her coming out of a motorway service station toilet cubicle and leaving the toilets without washing her hands. I'd happily send her off to America, but can't we make them keep Piers too?

No one said it was unacceptable.

And I still don't know who Katie Hopkins is.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Jaded on 29 August, 2014, 07:12:47 pm
Ask Wow.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: hellymedic on 29 August, 2014, 07:15:38 pm
And I still don't know who Katie Hopkins is.

Makes two of us. Expected for a TV-free Grumpy Old Woman.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Basil on 29 August, 2014, 07:35:17 pm
Well, I googled.  Still no eyed deer.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: LEE on 21 April, 2015, 10:03:49 am
Headlined "Rescue boats?
I'd use gunships to stop migrants" the 40-year-old, Katie Hopkins, said she didn't care and said the migrants were "built to survive a nuclear bomb".
She wrote: "Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don't care.
"Because in the next minute you'll show me pictures of aggressive young men at Calais, spreading like norovirus on a cruise ship.
"Make no mistake, these migrants are like cockroaches. They might look a bit 'Bob Geldof's Ethiopia circa 1984', but they are built to survive a nuclear bomb. They are survivors.
"Once gunships have driven them back to their shores, boats need to be confiscated and burned on a huge bonfire."


At what point do comments in a paid newspaper column turn from controversial "banter" into a tirade of hate?

Could I legitimately punch her in the face and claim it was "banter"?  I hope so because, although I don't approve of violence to settle an argument, I would have no sympathy if this was settled with a slap from
a relative of someone who just drowned.

How far will she take the Katie Hopkins "Woman of controversy"  character?

So Katie...How did you spend your precious time on Earth?

Katie - "I was a Troll and said spiteful things for money"

 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: caerau on 21 April, 2015, 10:24:27 am
I think we've found the new presenter for Top Gear no?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 April, 2015, 10:32:53 am
But doesn't she lack Clarkson's subtlety and charm?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: LEE on 21 April, 2015, 10:37:44 am
RB Comments

Hopkins & Drowned Immigrants (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=884RCxG61K4)

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But doesn't she lack Clarkson's subtlety and charm?

Yes.  Clarkson is a genuinely funny writer (in my opinion) whereas Hopkins is no different to any internet troll.  No wit, no irony, just trolling.

I think Russell just about sums it up.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: caerau on 21 April, 2015, 10:45:31 am
Wow, I've never seen Russel Brand in any way like that before.


He's just soared in my estimations.




Thanks very much for that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: geraldc on 10 December, 2015, 03:03:40 pm
I never had a problem with Hopkins as she was just entertainment value, now she's being used by Trump as justification for his views of the UK, I've realised a bit too late just how dangerous she is.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rogerzilla on 11 December, 2015, 07:01:27 pm
I think they should get married, as long as they're not allowed to breed.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Polar Bear on 11 December, 2015, 07:08:40 pm
Any prejudiced crank given breath incites those with even less self control to do stupid things.   Hopkins, Trump, Littlejohn, that Alaskan hockey mom, etc. are more dangerous imo as their radicalised views are somehow tolerated.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rogerzilla on 11 December, 2015, 09:18:52 pm
ISTR that Oswald Mosley's downfall came when he organised a big Blackshirt march through London and people turned up in their droves to point and laugh.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: PeteB99 on 12 December, 2015, 10:49:24 am
ISTR that Oswald Mosley's downfall came when he organised a big Blackshirt march through London and people turned up in their droves to point and laugh.

Some numbskulls have been trying that in Liverpool the last few months. English Action? advertised they were going to hold a "white mans march" and set the city aflame if they were banned. In the event about 30 turned up and ended up hiding from the counter demonstration in the stations left luggage office ;D

About 15 of them turned up unannounced this time a few weeks back unfurled a banner for a photograph and then scuttled away again
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: andrewc on 12 December, 2015, 10:59:27 am
ISTR that Oswald Mosley's downfall came when he organised a big Blackshirt march through London and people turned up in their droves to point and laugh.

Some numbskulls have been trying that in Liverpool the last few months. English Action? advertised they were going to hold a "white mans march" and set the city aflame if they were banned. In the event about 30 turned up and ended up hiding from the counter demonstration in the stations left luggage office ;D

About 15 of them turned up unannounced this time a few weeks back unfurled a banner for a photograph and then scuttled away again

National Action,  nasty lot.  The chap who tried to kill that dentist in Mold was one of theirs, they were sending threats to Wavertree MP Luciana Berger as well,
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Pancho on 12 December, 2015, 11:04:04 am
Any prejudiced crank given breath incites those with even less self control to do stupid things.   Hopkins, Trump, Littlejohn, that Alaskan hockey mom, etc. are more dangerous imo as their radicalised views are somehow tolerated.

Much as I find myself at the remotest possible distance from the views they espouse, living in a society which didn't tolerate all views (including theirs) would be much worse than one that does.

People use the term tolerance a lot - but forget what it means. It means putting up with something really objectionable, uncomfortable, or nasty - not just "we're a tolerant country - look, you can see lots of foreigners wearing their funny foreign clothes".
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: mattc on 12 December, 2015, 11:18:21 am
but how far does your tolerance go? Do you tolerate murderers?

Free speech is a fine thing,  but speech is a damn good way to incite and organise much more harmful activities.

https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/human-rights/free-speech-and-protest/speech-offences
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 December, 2015, 11:48:41 am
National Action,  nasty lot.  The chap who tried to kill that dentist in Mold was one of theirs, they were sending threats to Wavertree MP Luciana Berger as well,

Luciana Berger?  Sounds FOREIGN.  Put her in the garbage scow next to Mrs Farage and cast it drift off Bong Bongo Land.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: PeteB99 on 14 December, 2015, 11:28:02 am
National Action,  nasty lot.  The chap who tried to kill that dentist in Mold was one of theirs, they were sending threats to Wavertree MP Luciana Berger as well,

Luciana Berger?  Sounds FOREIGN.  Put her in the garbage scow next to Mrs Farage and cast it drift off Bong Bongo Land.

Fairly solidly BRITISH I believe. For right wing nutjobs suffers from the twin handicaps of being female and jewish.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Polar Bear on 14 December, 2015, 12:01:36 pm
Any prejudiced crank given breath incites those with even less self control to do stupid things.   Hopkins, Trump, Littlejohn, that Alaskan hockey mom, etc. are more dangerous imo as their radicalised views are somehow tolerated.

Much as I find myself at the remotest possible distance from the views they espouse, living in a society which didn't tolerate all views (including theirs) would be much worse than one that does.

People use the term tolerance a lot - but forget what it means. It means putting up with something really objectionable, uncomfortable, or nasty - not just "we're a tolerant country - look, you can see lots of foreigners wearing their funny foreign clothes".

But, we don't tolerate all views and behaviours as a society, do we?   Why do we have laws to punish a raft of crimes?   Clearly tolerance has it's limits.

I can recall events that have not been tolerated such as Ron Atkinson, Andy Gray, Russell Brand, the aussie radio broadcasters, Clarkson, etc.   In my opinion tolerance ends when ordinary, innocent people are subject to unprovoked prejudice and nasty attack in whatever form it comes.    So, why is Hopkins allowed to continue unabated? 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: red marley on 14 December, 2015, 12:15:57 pm
Great quote from David Mitchell (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/13/dont-ban-donald-trump-just-laugh-at-him)...

[Donald Trump is] the Lord High Emperor of the planet Katie Hopkins came from.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Pancho on 14 December, 2015, 12:18:09 pm
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But, we don't tolerate all views and behaviours as a society, do we?   Why do we have laws to punish a raft of crimes?   Clearly tolerance has it's limits.

The line I'm happy to draw - and used to be broadly reflected in our laws - was that freedom of views and expression of those views is to be tolerated but some behaviours are criminalised and not tolerated. So, tolerate the expression of "send all foreigners home" or "build a caliphate/republic/communist utopia/whatever" but don't tolerate - criminalise - duffing up foreigners or blowing things up in support of whatever cause.

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I can recall events that have not been tolerated such as Ron Atkinson, Andy Gray, Russell Brand, the aussie radio broadcasters, Clarkson, etc.   In my opinion tolerance ends when ordinary, innocent people are subject to unprovoked prejudice and nasty attack in whatever form it comes.    So, why is Hopkins allowed to continue unabated? 

Don't know half the people in your list! But have they actually been prosecuted for just saying things? Or have they been pilloried and eviscerated on twitter for saying unpopular things? The latter is fine by my book.

You touch on the most uncomfortable aspect of free speech: "tolerance ends when ordinary, innocent people are subject to unprovoked prejudice and nasty attack". I get what you mean. But the alternative is to allow speech to be regulated and criminalised in accordance with definitions set by the likes of Theresa May.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Polar Bear on 14 December, 2015, 12:42:12 pm
Y'see, I regard respect and decency as essential elements in a functional society.   As soon as that goes then discrimination becomes acceptable regardless of any showcase laws that apparently make it illegal.

As a disabled person I experience discrimination first hand on a regular basis.   I cannot imagine how shitty life could be if I ticked a few more boxes.   It's far too easy for us all to simply ignore the intolerance of others where it doesn't affect us personally.

In my opinion, what Katie Hopkins often says is filled with bile and hatred, prejudice and intolerance, not spoken with any value for society, and purely for her personal financial gain.   That is her so-called contribution to society!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Polar Bear on 14 December, 2015, 12:47:49 pm
From the BBC (http://Pastor McConnell, 78, of Shore Road in Newtownabbey, County Antrim, is charged with improper use of a public electronic communications network and causing a grossly offensive message to be sent by means of a public electronic communications network.
The prosecution against Pastor McConnell centres on his remarks about not trusting Muslims.)

Quote from: BBC News
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Pastor McConnell, 78, of Shore Road in Newtownabbey, County Antrim, is charged with improper use of a public electronic communications network and causing a grossly offensive message to be sent by means of a public electronic communications network.
The prosecution against Pastor McConnell centres on his remarks about not trusting Muslims.
...

How is what Hopkins says about refugees in boats or fat people any less grossly offensive?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rafletcher on 26 May, 2017, 12:03:00 pm
 Well she's to leave LBC "immediately". Hooray  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Riggers on 26 May, 2017, 12:05:07 pm
Just heard that too. I ever know her from The Apprentice, and thought she was poisonous even then.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rafletcher on 26 May, 2017, 12:09:50 pm
Just read a bit more, apparently James O'Brien made some trenchant comments after her "final solution" tweet calling her "a monstrous self publicist". At least someone at LBC has stood up to her.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Veloman on 26 May, 2017, 12:19:21 pm
As reported on BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40057165 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40057165)

Hopefully her writing will be curtailed as she has already cost the publication quite a lot and can't believe the circulation depends on her bile.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: geraldc on 26 May, 2017, 12:52:41 pm
I think she's eyeing a  move  to America. Fox News have her on regularly, and now that Milo is out of favour due to his support  of paedophilia, the role of UK arsehat abroad is vacant.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: hatler on 26 May, 2017, 12:54:28 pm
I wonder what it's like, waking up every day, knowing you're universally reviled.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: geraldc on 26 May, 2017, 01:06:52 pm
They don't care.

It's one of the advantages of being a proper sociopath/psychopath
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: LEE on 26 May, 2017, 01:23:07 pm
Getting fired by LBC for offensive remarks takes some doing.

Her offensive remarks are precisely why the employed her.

Anyone with actual morals wouldn't employ her.  She's "click-bait", she knows it and so do the people who sell advertising on Radio, TV and Newspapers.

The only thing you can do is to boycott.  Reducing "clicks" will end her career.  This new controversy will most likely increase her advertising potential.

Simply discussing her on YACF will most likely result in raising her earning potential via some Google Marketing algorithm.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Basil on 26 May, 2017, 01:40:58 pm
I agree with Lee.  If people would only stop mentioning her for a slagging off on Twitter and elsewhere it would reduce her profile enormously.

Bugger.  I've just posted in a thread that carries her name.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Séamas M. on 26 May, 2017, 01:55:15 pm
Whose name? Doesn't matter.

From Johnny Cash's version of Streets of Laredo..

"Don't mention his name and his name will pass on."
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: archy on 26 May, 2017, 03:03:14 pm
For some reason that escapes me I think of her as Katie Cockroach.

Like this
(https://media2.wnyc.org/i/800/0/c/80/1/american-cockroach.jpg)
only less appealing.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: LEE on 26 May, 2017, 03:13:14 pm
I think of her as Omni-Ugly.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: barakta on 26 May, 2017, 04:08:33 pm
As much as I dislike insects, I feel calling her Katie Cockroach is an insult to cockroaches  :D
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rogerzilla on 26 May, 2017, 09:13:23 pm
The tag of "horsey-faced sex fiend" she acquired post-Apprentice but pre-shock columnist stuck in my mind.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: spesh on 26 May, 2017, 10:43:40 pm
Nicked from Twitter, with apologies to the ghost of Martin Niemöller...

"First they came for Katie Hopkins, and I did not speak, because I had been waiting ages for them to come for Katie Hopkins."
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: tonycollinet on 26 May, 2017, 11:52:50 pm
Ah yes - I pinched that one earlier too.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 May, 2017, 08:12:12 am
Or to paraphrase Half Man Half Biscuit:

They came for Katie Hopkins.  I said "She's over there, behind the wardrobe"
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: TheLurker on 27 May, 2017, 09:58:41 am
I am sitting here feeling insufferably smug, because having willingly foregone what can only laughingly be described as popular "entertainment" this last several years, nay decades, and likewise "social" media (anti-social surely?) my psyche has not been  irretrievably tainted by exposure to what sounds like a thoroughly horrible individual whose name I know only because of  YACF.

I'm thinking of formally naming this policy of ignoring such "entertainments" as, "The Wowbagger Doctrine" in homage to both our greatest living "popular culture" refusenik and the isolationist elements of the Monroe Doctrine.  :)

Joking apart, from what I've picked over the last few days I am _really_ glad that I've not seen her or any of her work.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rafletcher on 28 May, 2017, 10:08:24 am
I wonder what it's like, waking up every day, knowing you're universally reviled.

But she isn't sadly. She reflects the opinions of many, possibly the majority.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: spindrift on 28 May, 2017, 10:40:55 am
She tweeted this a while ago:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CixCXs8WgAAU_3X.jpg)

Quote
Give me strength. Stick up a chuffing sign for English Language School

It's obviously a fake. She tweeted it cos she wants to believe it cos she's not just a gobshite she really is a thick racist gobshite. She really does believe the stuff she comes out with. That may be why she's less dangerous than Piers Morgan. Her audience is much smaller now anyway.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rogerzilla on 28 May, 2017, 07:11:18 pm
See - even those with Muslamic rayguns aren't interested in going to Leeds.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: bobb on 28 May, 2017, 07:27:01 pm
She's one of life's natural born arseholes, so I don't think she'll ever stop spouting her bile. But as mentioned upthread, she's looking to go to the USA. They can have her.....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 May, 2017, 07:43:24 pm
She promised to move to USAnia if TЯump became president, but this turned out to be a Lie.  She also promised to run naked down Oxford Street with a banana shoved up her arse if Sadiq Khan became London mayor, but this turned out to be a Lie too.

I am starting to see a pattern here.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: fuzzy on 30 May, 2017, 01:28:19 pm
Now that Mike Dubke has quit, she must be the ideal candidate to replace him as The Donalds Communications Director.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: jsabine on 02 June, 2017, 03:56:31 pm
http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/katie-hopkins-sacked-by-mail-online.html

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Jurek on 02 June, 2017, 05:06:21 pm
I saw that link on LFGSS a short while ago and did wonder whether it is a spoof / wishful thinking / the inevitable.
It doesn't appear to be reported elsewhere.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: jsabine on 03 June, 2017, 03:32:52 am
I'm probably guilty of optimism in repeating it without further checking, but the author does seem to have some form: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/mar/08/zelo-street-tim-fenton-blogging-twitter
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 June, 2017, 10:16:34 am
Didn't see a dickie-bird about it on Facething yesterday, whereas when she got the boot from LBC the place was full of right-wingnuts bleating about free speech.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: ian on 03 June, 2017, 11:11:48 am
From my exposure to Fox News (decontamination ongoing) a week or so back (I should call it adventures in News La-La Land), they'd lap up Hatie Katie since they like the spectacle of foamy mouthed Brits ranting on about stuff that's dear to the average US rightwingnut's heart. There's no shortage of mad Americans willing to gush their right wing effluvia, but that makes it boring.

While, as a long term former resident alien of those shores, I obviously knew Fox News wasn't exactly as fair and balanced as they might laughably have claimed, but it's utterly, utterly bonkers these days.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rafletcher on 27 November, 2017, 10:43:01 pm
And finally she “leaves” the Mailonline” with no explanation.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Basil on 27 November, 2017, 10:47:28 pm
I often muse that if it were not for yacf, I would be totally unaware of the woman.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: mattc on 28 November, 2017, 06:04:02 pm
I often muse that if it were not for yacf, I would be totally unaware of the woman.
"
Unless you have been on a series of long-haul flights recently, or don’t use social media, you will have heard by now that erstwhile darling of the alleged unheard underdog, purveyor of perversions of truth and justice, and dogwhistle dogmatic, Katie Hopkins, has left Mail Online, apparently by “mutual consent”.
"
 ;D

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/28/katie-hopkins-mail-online-jack-monroe
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Ham on 29 November, 2017, 10:09:12 am
That's a surprisingly (?) thoughtful article from Jack Monroe, TL;DR - we shouldn't be too happy

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By stripping her of her accountability – whatever little there seems to be at the Mail Online as it stands – she is not disempowered. Her brand, that of the renegade outsider “just saying what you’re all thinking”, is strengthened in its martyrdom
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rogerzilla on 29 November, 2017, 10:11:18 am
She's probably had an offer from Breitbart News.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: spesh on 29 November, 2017, 11:14:16 am
She's probably had an offer from Breitbart News.

That wouldn't be too surprising. I think that's where that Delingpole oik slithered to from the Daily Telegraph Typograph.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: ian on 29 November, 2017, 11:22:40 am
I think I mentioned that US rightwing media likes non-Americans, I suppose it makes it more interesting for the usual list of dull Americans and adds a sweaty sheen of 'it's not just us' -ness. Milo, Farage, et al. Give me your splenetic flotsam, your entitled fools, your tired and spent commentators yearning to spite some more. I suppose the poem does request the wretched refuse of your teeming shore and Americans can be very literal.

It always strikes me that the default position of these incredibly entitled people who want for so little is that they're always aching to play the poor victim.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Paul H on 29 November, 2017, 01:52:13 pm
Her downfall seems to have come from criticising Hull's Christmas decorations, it's good to know where Mail readers draw the line.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Mr Larrington on 29 November, 2017, 04:12:38 pm
She's probably had an offer from Breitbart News.

That wouldn't be too surprising. I think that's where that Delingpole oik slithered to from the Daily Telegraph Typograph.

He did, the ignorant little toad.  One of the funniest things I've read in years was Delingprick getting totally pwned over climate change.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: pcolbeck on 28 February, 2018, 01:52:07 am
The lovely Katie at it again, about 3:20 in:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/feb/27/the-left-is-creating-a-crisis-conservative-activists-respond-to-florida-shooting

claiming the kids from the Florida school shooting are scripted and controlled by CNN.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Polar Bear on 28 February, 2018, 06:40:58 am
More likely that Fox News are scripting the NRA of course but bullies never admit to bullying.

I wonder who pulls her strings ...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: archy on 28 February, 2018, 08:52:50 am
Whoever it is, they ain't finding heart strings.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: spesh on 28 February, 2018, 11:08:59 am
If you want a Katie-Hopkins-free article on how the underlying bug/feature in FSBook and Tw@tter algorithms has meant it's been centre-left outrage that's helped to spread the "crisis actors" bullcrap started by the alt-right, here's one I was reading earlier:

https://www.wired.com/story/how-liberals-amped-up-a-parkland-shooting-conspiracy-theory/
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Beardy on 28 February, 2018, 11:18:02 am
If everybody ignored Hatie Kopkin do you think she'd go away?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: mattc on 28 February, 2018, 12:20:13 pm
We tried to get rid of her, but eventually they sent her back  ::-)

The Islamophobic media personality Katie Hopkins has been banned from entering South Africa. (https://5pillarsuk.com/2018/02/08/katie-hopkins-banned-from-south-africa/)
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Tom B on 16 September, 2018, 07:02:14 pm
Katie Hopkins applies for insolvency agreement to avoid bankruptcy (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/16/katie-hopkins-applies-for-insolvency-to-avoid-bankruptcy-after-jack-monroe-twitter-costly-libel-case)

For the want of an apology, a house, a job, a column, a radio show, and now financial solvency, were lost. It's all very sad, actually. (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/katie-hopkins-iva-jack-monroe-2010001)
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Beardy on 16 September, 2018, 07:07:44 pm
Katie Hopkins applies for insolvency agreement to avoid bankruptcy (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/16/katie-hopkins-applies-for-insolvency-to-avoid-bankruptcy-after-jack-monroe-twitter-costly-libel-case)

For the want of an apology, a house, a job, a column, a radio show, and now financial solvency, were lost. It's all very sad, actually. (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/katie-hopkins-iva-jack-monroe-2010001)
no. No it’s not.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Basil on 16 September, 2018, 07:22:21 pm
It's her kids I feel sorry for.  Not only have they lost everything,  they've  still got her a a mum. Poor sods.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: hellymedic on 16 September, 2018, 07:24:09 pm
Jack Monroe has show remarkable maturity and composure in the face of all this.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 16 September, 2018, 07:26:22 pm
It's her kids I feel sorry for.  Not only have they lost everything,  they've  still got her a a mum. Poor sods.
Quote from: Jack Monroe
Things are in place in that agreement to make sure her children are looked after. I’m a mother myself and I read it line by line to make sure that her children didn’t suffer as a result of what she’s done
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 16 September, 2018, 07:27:50 pm
Thing is, this isn't going to make her change her ways, is it? She's getting paid to peddle hate and now she's going to have to peddle it even harder.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Tim Hall on 16 September, 2018, 08:05:23 pm
Jack Monroe has show remarkable maturity and composure in the face of all this.
This bit (from The Mirror) made me smile:
Quote
"I'm not cruel nor celebrating - that case cost me 18 months of sanity and work, and I think neither of us wanted it to turn out this way. (I can recommend an excellent budget cookery book or three, for getting back on your feet, though)."
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 September, 2018, 08:11:02 pm
Thing is, this isn't going to make her change her ways, is it? She's getting paid to peddle hate and now she's going to have to peddle it even harder.

I don't think she is getting paid any more. I think she lost her "job" with the Mail Online.

She is just an amateur peddler of hate.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Basil on 16 September, 2018, 08:26:21 pm
She's now had a go at Welsh language schools, so my timeline is distressingly full of her shit.  I do wish that people would realise that when they argue with her they are doing exactly what she wants them to do.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rafletcher on 16 September, 2018, 08:40:52 pm
Thing is, this isn't going to make her change her ways, is it? She's getting paid to peddle hate and now she's going to have to peddle it even harder.

I don't think she is getting paid any more. I think she lost her "job" with the Mail Online.

She is just an amateur peddler of hate.

She’s working for a Canadian far right outlet apparently.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: spesh on 16 September, 2018, 08:41:27 pm
She's now had a go at Welsh language schools, so my timeline is distressingly full of her shit.  I do wish that people would realise that when they argue with her they are doing exactly what she wants them to do.

True, but ignoring trolls like Hopkins doesn't provide the same dopamine hit that wading in and putting them right does.


Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: spesh on 16 September, 2018, 08:52:40 pm
Thing is, this isn't going to make her change her ways, is it? She's getting paid to peddle hate and now she's going to have to peddle it even harder.

I don't think she is getting paid any more. I think she lost her "job" with the Mail Online.

She is just an amateur peddler of hate.

She’s working for a Canadian far right outlet apparently.

She joined The Rebel Media at the start of the year. I've seen that outfit's name mentioned a few times over the last year or two - they were tangled up in the Macron e-mail leaks in the 2017 French presidential election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rebel_Media
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: ian on 17 September, 2018, 09:25:31 am
Right-wing haters split into two camps – the ones that actually seem to believe what they spout (and thusly anything like this is a merely a soft martyrdom) or those that cynically sell hate to the sorts that will readily consume it (and soft martyrdom is how they get credit). It often seems at some point there's an inflexion point where regardless of where they started, they start to believe themselves.

Of course, regardless of where they fall on the cynicism scale, they have to keep hating more, find new targets, become more extreme just to be noticed in what is, sadly, a crowded field. There's no value in being moderate. That doesn't get you a column, a special place on a hate-site (which are also often cynical enterprises), or sell your latest book.

I dunno, going through life hating and be angry about everything just seems intensely sad whatever their motivations.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Ham on 17 September, 2018, 09:38:39 am


I dunno, going through life hating and be angry about everything just seems intensely sad whatever their motivations.

I strongly suspect that the benefit of hate to the individual is that it posits the possibility of salvation, which is why it is so often linked to religious extremism in ways rarely to be found in the theology of that religion, be it christianity, judaism, islam, buddhism etc. All you have to do to make life perfect is get rid of those who are to blame for it not being so.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: ian on 17 September, 2018, 10:34:35 am
Possibly. It's why I always shake my head at people with their copy of the DM whose main message is really it's not you, it's them. And the underlining is literal.

Anyway, it's not an attitude I can even come close to understanding. And I'm happy about that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Beardy on 17 September, 2018, 11:04:09 am
I’m intolerant of intolerance. Oh, ermmm. Wait.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Ham on 17 September, 2018, 12:53:03 pm
Not the first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: essexian on 19 September, 2018, 11:59:57 am
Not sure if this has been posted but taken from BTL in the Guardian politics live page today....

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/09/18/nearly-20k-is-raised-in-a-crowdfunder-for-katie-hopkins-but-shes-going-to-freak-at-the-small-print/


You have to love Southend  ;D

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Steph on 19 September, 2018, 02:11:47 pm
I wrote a piece for a national LGBT group about the differences between tolerance, acceptance and inclusion, and so far I've received a load of stuff about reverse-mentoring Senior People. Perhaps I should send it to Hatey Cockroach?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: PaulF on 19 July, 2021, 10:56:40 am
And again!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57883692

Do we have to take her back? If we promised to pick her up could they just leave her half way and we could collect her next time we're passing?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Jaded on 19 July, 2021, 11:29:13 am
She could travel as far as Calais, and then be given an inflatable boat?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Jurek on 19 July, 2021, 11:30:07 am
One with a slow puncture....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Guy on 19 July, 2021, 11:36:44 am
And again!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57883692

Do we have to take her back? If we promised to pick her up could they just leave her half way and we could collect her next time we're passing?




It couldn't happen to a nicer person. No, seriously. It reallycouldn't happen to a nicer person, mainly because a nicer person wouldn't be so bloody stupid as to do what she deliberately did.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Polar Bear on 19 July, 2021, 11:40:17 am
Surely Hopkins presents no lesser a threat to the UK than Shamima Begum ever has.  A 15 year old girl radicalised by terrorists vs a fourty something woman with along record of hate speech and a social media following of extreme haters?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Regulator on 19 July, 2021, 11:45:16 am
She could travel as far as Calais, and then be given an inflatable boat?


That almost makes me wish we could arm the Border Force cutters... 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2021, 01:23:42 pm
She could travel as far as Calais, and then be given an inflatable boat?

H Cockpins:Onoz! My boat is sinkin'! Call a lifeboat!
The RNLI: LOL &, moreover, roffle!  Swim, you horrible fascist gobshite!
H Cockpins:Opens enormous mouth; drowns
Omnes:Hurrah!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Beardy on 19 July, 2021, 04:16:57 pm
One with a slow puncture....
Not too slow mind.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Hot Flatus on 19 July, 2021, 04:35:30 pm
This is great news.

She has been deported.

This is not without consequences for the rest of her life, should she attempt to travel to other countries.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Polar Bear on 19 July, 2021, 05:16:02 pm
But surely there is no other country on the planet worth visiting  ???   ;D
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2021, 06:11:16 pm
It would certainly be amusing if USAnia put her on The List :demon:
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: archy on 19 July, 2021, 08:59:10 pm
I’m intolerant of intolerance. Oh, ermmm. Wait.

As a layperson admittedly, it seems to me her behaviour can only be attributed to mental illness. Tolerance of the mentally ill is a mark of civilised society; exploiting it like in a freak show or giving her a platform is not.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: Regulator on 20 July, 2021, 07:02:41 am
I’m intolerant of intolerance. Oh, ermmm. Wait.

As a layperson admittedly, it seems to me her behaviour can only be attributed to mental illness. Tolerance of the mentally ill is a mark of civilised society; exploiting it like in a freak show or giving her a platform is not.


it doesn't always have to be mental illness.   We sometimes have a tendency to try and medicalise things to avoid dealing with harsh truths.  The reality is sometimes people are just evil, nasty cnuts with abhorrent views.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: rogerzilla on 20 July, 2021, 09:05:06 am
Also, money.  Some people get paid for running drugs, shagging strangers or fighting in other people's wars.  She gets paid to be a troll.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: ian on 20 July, 2021, 08:53:56 pm
It's an easy way to grab attention from a credulous audience. I think some of them start out by cynically exploiting that – some might believe it from the get-go – but after a period of constant affirmation from your audience, they really do believe what they're saying and the pathological righteousness of their cause. That said, it increasingly happens on both sides of an ever polarised political spectrum, with either side saying what their audience wants to hear.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins does it again
Post by: TimC on 21 July, 2021, 12:04:38 am
Crater Popkins isn't mentally ill. She knows exactly what she's doing, and her aim is notoriety. She's not even that fussed if she gets paid for it, though she'll never say no. She just wants to be the Yang to humanity's Yin. She loves being contrarian, and causing consternation among the lefty world, even when it makes Tories feel uncomfortable. It's what she gets off on, and no amount of logic will change that. She wants, and gets, attention by being what she is, and she loves it. She doesn't need you to agree with her - in fact, she'd rather you didn't. She needs you to get wound up by what she does, because that way you'll engage in her next adventure. The only thing - and the best thing - you can do to counter her is ignore her.