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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #100 on: 29 July, 2011, 01:47:52 pm »
Google for the PowerHaul Class 70 ... looks like it fell out of the ugly tree, hit every branch on the way down and was then given a good going over with the ugly stick for good measure.
One of them didn't fall out of the ugly tree - it fell 15 feet out of the crane lifting it out of the ship at Newport Docks.  Made a bit of a "BONG" noise.  Badly bent, written off, had to go back to Canada to be stripped for spare parts.
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #101 on: 29 July, 2011, 01:49:51 pm »
Here's exciting diesel noise:

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #102 on: 29 July, 2011, 01:51:30 pm »
I really like those Class 66 units - they are always dirty and hard working looking. I also think that they are some of the best looking locos, all function and no fucking about.
Google for the PowerHaul Class 70 ... looks like it fell out of the ugly tree, hit every branch on the way down and was then given a good going over with the ugly stick for good measure.

Bah, that isn't good - the cabs are too flouncy.


http://www.railwayherald.org/imagelink/196321

The 66 is just so much better looking.


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For anyone who finds train pictures and videos a massive timesink, I would caution you against looking at this site apart from when you are supposed to be working!

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #103 on: 29 July, 2011, 02:07:05 pm »
@ bigsey. I think the green livery was from the 1950' s and became redundent when British Railways became one in the 60's and all trains (most) had the classic BR blue/yello livery

Noticed one guy had his head stuck out of the window in one of those clips lol. As I did as a kid

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #104 on: 29 July, 2011, 03:24:22 pm »
@ bigsey. I think the green livery was from the 1950' s and became redundent when British Railways became one in the 60's and all trains (most) had the classic BR blue/yello livery
The rail blue with full yellow ends livery started to be introduced in the late 60s, although some locos carried the green livery into the early 70s. Generally, repainting was scheduled around major overhauls, which is why you can still see some Class 66s in EWS livery despite the fact that EWS doesn't exist any more (ex-EWS locos are now being painted in the DB Schencker red livery)

Without a doubt, my favourite livery was the Railfreight 'triple grey' scheme that was introduced just prior to privatisation in 1994.

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #105 on: 29 July, 2011, 03:27:41 pm »
I really like those Class 66 units - they are always dirty and hard working looking. I also think that they are some of the best looking locos, all function and no fucking about.
Google for the PowerHaul Class 70 ... looks like it fell out of the ugly tree, hit every branch on the way down and was then given a good going over with the ugly stick for good measure.

Bah, that isn't good - the cabs are too flouncy.


http://www.railwayherald.org/imagelink/196321
The Class 70 is actually a fairly logical extension of what BR tried (and failed) to achieve with the Class 58, which is to say a modular, double-end cab freight loco. It actually reminds me of the bastard offspring of a Class 58 and a Class 67.

Whilst most of the coal traffic that goes past my house is Class 66 hauled, I've seen the occasional 70 and whilst they're as ugly as sin, the fact that they make relatively little noise whilst accelerating from a signal pulling nearly 2000 tonnes of coal is quite freaky. Can't beat a bit of good old Class 56 or Class 37 thrash though ;D

EDIT: Kinda like this:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/UE12Ee9CgzE&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/UE12Ee9CgzE&rel=1</a>

Or this (hell, yeah!)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/66LoApI-Y94&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/66LoApI-Y94&rel=1</a>

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #106 on: 29 July, 2011, 05:48:02 pm »
Damn you all.

I started this thread to point and laugh at trainspotters.

Today I noted down 66519.

Damn, damn, damn. 

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #107 on: 29 July, 2011, 06:03:22 pm »
Today I noted down 66519.

Damn, damn, damn. 

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #108 on: 29 July, 2011, 06:27:10 pm »
One thing I've always wondered:

What synchronisation is there between locos when more than one is powering a train?  What happens if one is trying to pull/push harder than another?  I'm particularly wondering about pre-computerised diesels, and exlcuding "multiple unit" trains.
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #109 on: 29 July, 2011, 06:33:27 pm »
....The trainspotters at school (in London) used to talk about going to Crewe (apparently the Mecca for spotters).

I used to live in Chester and go through Crewe often on the train... banks of people with notebooks and cameras - quite impressive...   ;)

Found this blockbuster...   "Wet day at Crewe trainspotting".   ;D

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #110 on: 29 July, 2011, 06:34:49 pm »
Somehow they link the locos to provide dual power in either a push-pull format which used to be the norm. for the Glasgow-Edinburgh route or in double header formats -- 2 x locos on the front.

I used to enjoy it when I was growing up and went all over the country with people from school looking at locos and depots. I spent happy weeks with rail rover tickets on the Southern Region or my father getting me into Plymouth Laira to get some numbers (laira was a hard depot to get in - it was a working repair facility full of heavy engineering stuff. H&S would go nuts now!)

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #111 on: 29 July, 2011, 06:38:53 pm »
One thing I've always wondered:

What synchronisation is there between locos when more than one is powering a train?  What happens if one is trying to pull/push harder than another?  I'm particularly wondering about pre-computerised diesels, and exlcuding "multiple unit" trains.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_working

The majority of mainline BR locos used the 'blue star' MU  system, which was electro-pneumatic based. 'Communication' between locos was handled via the impressive array of pipework you generally see on a loco's buffer beam. Because of the nature of the system, the driver of the leading loco was fairly limited in what he was able to do (basically control the engine and brakes of the trailing unit and that's about your lot) whereas nowadays drivers have a lot more control (this info via a mate of mine who's a driver for EWS/DB Schencker)

Later electric locos used something called TDM (Time Division Multiplex) which was, as the name suggests, electronic in nature - I think the Class 90 might have been the last class to use this. Some locos were only able to do multiple working with other members of the same class (Class 60 springs to mind here) with everything being controlled by the driver of the leading loco.

I suppose one way of describing multiple-working on modern locos is kind of like fly-by-wire, with the driver of the leading unit controlling both 'his' loco and the trailing loco from the same set of controls. I could be wrong here, though.

Geez, I'm a sad git ;)

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #112 on: 29 July, 2011, 06:52:29 pm »
....The trainspotters at school (in London) used to talk about going to Crewe (apparently the Mecca for spotters).

I used to live in Chester and go through Crewe often on the train... banks of people with notebooks and cameras - quite impressive...   ;)
I used to pass through Crewe a fair bit when I was at Uni if I was getting the train from Aberystwyth to Durham. Nearly every time I went through it was raining ...

When I was a kid, the real 'go to' places were Carlisle if you wanted a bit of electric action (plus it was a scenic trip from Newcastle with some guaranteed loco haulage, generally a Class 31) or Thornaby, so you could see all the Teeside steel traffic as well as the comings and goings in Thornaby sheds and Tees Yard (usually involved a trip from Bishop Auckland to Thornaby on a crappy old DMU, sometimes with a change at Darlington, sometimes not) - hell, we used to do overnighters at Carlisle when there was a lot of container traffic up to Scotland (generally double-headed Class 86s, sometimes a couple of 87s)

There are a couple of hotspots near where I live, too - having had a look round YouTube there's a surprising amount of footage shot from the car parking area behind my house, as well as at Colton Junction where the ECML and Leeds lines diverge - if the layby at Colton is full of neds, then there's a fair chance that something interesting is afoot.

Probably shouldn't say it, but one of the reasons I bought my current house is because it gives me a nice view of the ECML and I can just sit and watch the trains if I feel like it :)

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #113 on: 29 July, 2011, 06:55:55 pm »
The best place to see Class 66 corrugated-iron pigs is...Didcot.
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #114 on: 29 July, 2011, 07:51:33 pm »
Probably shouldn't say it, but one of the reasons I bought my current house is because it gives me a nice view of the ECML and I can just sit and watch the trains if I feel like it :)

And since I came to visit that time, I always look out for your row of houses!  Apart from anything else, it's a handy warning for Tesco, which is my cue to get my stuff together for getting off.

Of course, I use the mill at Bolton Percy as a cue to start looking out for your house...
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #115 on: 29 July, 2011, 07:54:02 pm »
As this post is so popular I recomend a Trainspotters day on bikes.

Ive not been trainspotting for years. 1983

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #116 on: 29 July, 2011, 07:56:27 pm »
Geez, I'm a sad git ;)

Well, I'm grateful for it, thanks. :)   (It's not sad, really; it's happy).

Is there any automation when two steam engines work together?
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #117 on: 29 July, 2011, 08:00:42 pm »
Oops . As I was saying. 1983 was the last time I went out trainspotting.
The faves were, Sheffeid, Manchester, Doncaster, Glasgow, Crewe as a kid. A lot has changed. Maybe we could work something out for a day out spotting trains on bikes ?

Im not really interested in muesuem pieces, just working engines or engines ready for the scrap myself as museum pieces can be seen anytime. Whos up for a day of trainspotting on bikes then ? :)

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #118 on: 29 July, 2011, 08:10:03 pm »
Geez, I'm a sad git ;)

Well, I'm grateful for it, thanks. :)   (It's not sad, really; it's happy).
Gosh, that makes me feel much better :)

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Is there any automation when two steam engines work together?
To be honest, I don't know - I suspect not, and a double-headed, steam-hauled service would likely have involved a fair degree of understanding between the two drivers, especially if it was an unfitted freight (ie. the only brakes on the train were on the locomotive(s) and possibly a brake van)

The GWR did have a form of automation on their so-called auto-trains. These were rural passenger trains which generally consisted of a single 'auto coach' and a loco, generally a 14xx class. It was possible for the driver to control the loco from the 'cab' in the auto-coach, although I imagine that the fireman would have had to stay with the loco. Clearly this was useful on single-line branches where it may not have been possible to run the loco round to the other end of the train, and it also
saved time too.

Not sure what the requirements are for main-line certified steam locos, and I'm not sure if Tornado (a 'new' steam loco built to modern standards) is equipped for multiple working.

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #119 on: 29 July, 2011, 08:20:52 pm »
Oops . As I was saying. 1983 was the last time I went out trainspotting.
The faves were, Sheffeid, Manchester, Doncaster, Glasgow, Crewe as a kid. A lot has changed. Maybe we could work something out for a day out spotting trains on bikes ?
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #120 on: 29 July, 2011, 09:20:05 pm »
How do environmentalists and asthma sufferers feel about diesel trains?

http://youtu.be/iBQeD5eevwc

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #121 on: 29 July, 2011, 09:23:56 pm »
Bring back steam.....http://www.5at.co.uk/
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #122 on: 29 July, 2011, 09:25:40 pm »
"Captain Sensible" has to be the best name ever.

You jest Shirley; wasn't that an April Fool article in RAIL where BR decided to make loco names more contemporary and streetwise; IIRC Roland Rat and Power of Grayskull were 2 suggestions;

FWIW the last namer I hauled was


Charlotte

Later electric locos used something called TDM (Time Division Multiplex) which was, as the name suggests, electronic in nature - I think the Class 90 might have been the last class to use this.
Geez, I'm a sad git ;)

Me too;

IIRC TDM involved sending signals down the train heating 13A flex that ran through the coaches, it was a work of genius as it worked with pretty much every coach in use on BR at the time as the steam heated stock had all expired. It needed a specially constructed driving trailer at the other end though. Prior to that they had to run special cables all the way through the train with special connectors between each coach a la Glasgow-Edinburgh push-pulls

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #123 on: 29 July, 2011, 09:37:18 pm »
How do environmentalists and asthma sufferers feel about diesel trains?

http://youtu.be/iBQeD5eevwc
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This one is just epic, and has a bonus kettle too:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/-JpQivta6MQ&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/-JpQivta6MQ&rel=1</a>


Clag-tastic! :) Compare and contrast with a Class 66 starting up - positively weedy by comparison.

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The last clip was filmed at .... Didcot :)

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #124 on: 29 July, 2011, 09:39:34 pm »
"Captain Sensible" has to be the best name ever.

You jest Shirley; wasn't that an April Fool article in RAIL where BR decided to make loco names more contemporary and streetwise; IIRC Roland Rat and Power of Grayskull were 2 suggestions;

John Peel, Joe Strummer and Captain Sensible really were names of 47s.

http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v2.php?img=0712051002211

http://thequietus.com/articles/03195-the-damned-s-captain-sensible-on-why-he-likes-trains

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