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Title: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: citoyen on 02 February, 2021, 04:27:29 pm
Well, this just about takes the biscuit...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-55881753

 :(
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Duckfoot1606 on 02 February, 2021, 04:29:31 pm
He provided a beacon of light and hope during some of our darkest moments last spring.

A
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: robgul on 02 February, 2021, 04:31:39 pm
Sad but perhaps not unexpected - 100 is a pretty good innings.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: citoyen on 02 February, 2021, 04:54:15 pm
Sad but perhaps not unexpected - 100 is a pretty good innings.

Being taken by coronavirus is a cruel twist of fate though.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Chris S on 02 February, 2021, 06:00:24 pm
Sad but perhaps not unexpected - 100 is a pretty good innings.

Being taken by coronavirus is a cruel twist of fate though.

AIUI he was already ill before contracting Covid.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Jurek on 02 February, 2021, 06:06:17 pm
Sad but perhaps not unexpected - 100 is a pretty good innings.

Being taken by coronavirus is a cruel twist of fate though.

AIUI he was already ill before contracting Covid.
He had pneumonia - so couldn't be given the jab.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Lightning Phil on 02 February, 2021, 06:27:42 pm
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia. 
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 02 February, 2021, 06:53:10 pm
He played a blinder..
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 02 February, 2021, 07:34:20 pm
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia.

Not when you're 100.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: grams on 02 February, 2021, 07:39:23 pm
I hope he enjoyed Barbados.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: orraloon on 02 February, 2021, 07:50:26 pm
He had a rather good, full on final year.  Way to go.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: hellymedic on 02 February, 2021, 10:11:01 pm
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia.

Not when you're 100.

At a guess, at least one in ten very old people die of/with some form of pneumonia. Might be MUCH more, like half...
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Regulator on 03 February, 2021, 09:27:08 am
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia.

Not when you're 100.

At a guess, at least one in ten very old people die of/with some form of pneumonia. Might be MUCH more, like half...


Yep.  IIRC it is the largest single reason for admission of those over 70, but it's often as a result of an underlying condition/issue.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: De Sisti on 03 February, 2021, 09:33:45 am
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia.
My youngest sister died of pneumonia, together with myocarditis, aged 28.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 03 February, 2021, 09:39:06 am
Sadly, I think at 100 and hospitalized with a diagnosis of pneumonia, you're very unlikely to leave.

I've never seen the evidence, but it's often repeated (and mostly believable) that if we cured cancer – all cancer tomorrow – we'd only increase our average lifespan in the developed world by two years.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: davelodwig on 03 February, 2021, 11:28:02 am
I'm going to go against the grain here,

Yes it's sad someone has died, and it's good that his fundraising provided some hope for people in dark times.

I know a lot of people who have spent their entire lives supporting charities, arguably making far more of a contribution (probably not financially) and end up with no recognition, no public adulation, no birthday honours. What makes captain tom better than them, more deserving of the almost sycophantic hero worship he's receiving?
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Regulator on 03 February, 2021, 11:33:41 am
I'm going to go against the grain here,

Yes it's sad someone has died, and it's good that his fundraising provided some hope for people in dark times.

I know a lot of people who have spent their entire lives supporting charities, arguably making far more of a contribution (probably not financially) and end up with no recognition, no public adulation, no birthday honours. What makes captain tom better than them, more deserving of the almost sycophantic hero worship he's receiving?

He was in right place, at the right time for a cynical bunch of cnuts in government and the media to exploit his story...
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Jaded on 03 February, 2021, 11:37:41 am
"He was the people's captain and that is how he will stay, how he will remain in our hearts and minds forever.""

I'm going to go against the grain here,

Yes it's sad someone has died, and it's good that his fundraising provided some hope for people in dark times.

I know a lot of people who have spent their entire lives supporting charities, arguably making far more of a contribution (probably not financially) and end up with no recognition, no public adulation, no birthday honours. What makes captain tom better than them, more deserving of the almost sycophantic hero worship he's receiving?

I think that there are several factors at work here

A social desire for a hero
A clear message that there needed to be better funding for the NHS
A tory need for a deflection

maybe more...
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Jaded on 03 February, 2021, 12:05:28 pm
National Clap for Tom at 6pm tonight!
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: L CC on 03 February, 2021, 12:20:22 pm
(click to show/hide)

I'm glad his final year had so many positives.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Regulator on 03 February, 2021, 12:22:35 pm
National Clap for Tom at 6pm tonight!

I presume this is some pronouncement by The UK Flagshagger in Chief during PMQs?
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: rafletcher on 03 February, 2021, 12:23:22 pm
National Clap for Tom at 6pm tonight!

 ::-) To what end? I certainly won't be joining in. Says more about Boris than anything else.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Jaded on 03 February, 2021, 12:24:54 pm
National Clap for Tom at 6pm tonight!

I presume this is some pronouncement by The UK Flagshagger in Chief during PMQs?

Yes, the Flounderer in Chief is, well, floundering...
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 03 February, 2021, 01:22:13 pm
National Clap for Tom at 6pm tonight!

I won't be.

I'm not joining in in Johnson's hijacking of him.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: T42 on 03 February, 2021, 01:56:20 pm
What he did was great. The knighthood and promotion were fitting. RIP

Hi-jacking... Johnson's a cunt.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Jurek on 03 February, 2021, 01:58:13 pm
What he did was great. The knighthood and promotion were fitting. RIP

Hi-jacking... Johnson's a cunt.

You're being a bit unkind to cunts, there.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: De Sisti on 03 February, 2021, 02:00:50 pm
I'm going to go against the grain here,

Yes it's sad someone has died, and it's good that his fundraising provided some hope for people in dark times.

I know a lot of people who have spent their entire lives supporting charities, arguably making far more of a contribution (probably not financially) and end up with no recognition, no public adulation, no birthday honours. What makes captain tom better than them, more deserving of the almost sycophantic hero worship he's receiving?
+1. You're not the only one thinking that.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: davelodwig on 03 February, 2021, 02:20:43 pm
What he did was great. The knighthood and promotion were fitting. RIP

Hi-jacking... Johnson's a cunt.

He walked up and down his garden, had the media not latched onto it he would have raised a couple hundred quid supported by his family and friends.

I know people who have given decades of voluntary service on top of work and families helping scores of people, who have had nothing apart from the appreciation from the people they have helped.  One of which I nominated for an honour, 2 years of effort it took to get an OBE. Others I've tried with; turned down for not making enough of a difference.

Was Toms effort equivalent to 50 years of voluntary service to multiple charities?

Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: offcumden on 03 February, 2021, 02:30:56 pm
^^^^^ My feelings, too.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 03 February, 2021, 02:34:27 pm
I don't begrudge him a good final year (when otherwise it would have been the pretty shit final year of COVID house arrest).

I begrudge that he was co-opted as Government PR.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2021, 02:48:11 pm
Was Toms effort equivalent to 50 years of voluntary service to multiple charities?

Hmmm. You're coming across as somewhat churlish here.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Ruthie on 03 February, 2021, 03:09:34 pm
He personified the stereotype of ‘heroic British grit’, being one of the dwindling generation  who won WWII with no help whatsoever from the US. A chest full of medals, a dignified bearing, displaying genuine personal humility, and choosing at an advanced age to raise money for the national second religion. (The first being kicktheball).  This was at a time when Mr. Johnson thought he was channelling WSChurchill.  In the celebration year for VE Day. A kind of perfect storm of National Kitsch, at a time of genuine existential fear and threat.

He really did seem like a lovely man.  I might get out and clap him. People like him should be celebrated. BJ can shut up though.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 03 February, 2021, 03:45:13 pm
Was Toms effort equivalent to 50 years of voluntary service to multiple charities?

Hmmm. You're coming across as somewhat churlish here.

No he isn't. He is bang on the money.

The guy walked up and down his garden.  And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).

None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making, especially if that cunt Johnson stands to benefit by osmosis.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2021, 03:46:12 pm
A kind of perfect storm of National Kitsch, at a time of genuine existential fear and threat.

I think that pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2021, 03:49:20 pm
The guy walked up and down his garden.  And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).

None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making.

I bet you're one of those heartless bastards who didn't make the pilgrimage to put flowers outside Kensington Palace when Diana died too.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 03 February, 2021, 03:52:37 pm
The guy walked up and down his garden.  And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).

None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making.

I bet you're one of those heartless bastards who didn't make the pilgrimage to put flowers outside Kensington Palace when Diana died too.

Didnt get the chance. I hadn't returned from a work trip to Paris.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2021, 03:59:09 pm
Didnt get the chance. I hadn't returned from a work trip to Paris.

Too soon.  :'(
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 03 February, 2021, 04:08:43 pm
Was Toms effort equivalent to 50 years of voluntary service to multiple charities?

Hmmm. You're coming across as somewhat churlish here.

No he isn't. He is bang on the money.

The guy walked up and down his garden.  And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).

None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making, especially if that cunt Johnson stands to benefit by osmosis.

At that point in the pandemic, there was a lot of fear and anger amongst key workers about the crapness of UK PPE provision, with lots of media reports of people wearing bin bags and a lot of concern about having to wear surgical masks when PPF3 would have been preferable.

NHS staff and carers, in particular, were becoming infected and dying because of limited PPE and incorrect practices in the early stages of the pandemic. The Tories wanted to make sure this didn't reflect badly on them, and one of the ways they did this was by making use of the language of war. The purpose of this was to encourage people to believe that working for the NHS was heroic. This was not in order to promote positive views of NHS workers, it was much more malign. It was to help persuade people that deaths in NHS service was part and parcel of the job, by nudging people to think of them as soldier-like. This had the effect of reducing public pressure to improve matters.

And along comes Captain Tom.

He did strike me as likeable individual, but the rest of it leaves me cold.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Polar Bear on 03 February, 2021, 04:12:37 pm
I have respect for everybody who goes above and beyond, who gives something back to our society.  I also happen to agree with davelodwig that there are literally thousands, maybe millions who do far far more for no recognition although in many ways people who are of that nature are also genuinely humble, modest and unassuming as well as inadvertently part of the fascist big society agenda.

I also loathe the way that bozo is playing politics here.  Cpt. Tom's endeavours were to support the NHS, the very same NHS that bozo's fascists have spent the last decade underfunding and covertly trying to privatise.  bozo and his fascist mates will still be wanting to do this once covid has passed: let's not conveniently forget this.

RIP Cpt. Tom.

I will not be clapping as part of bozo&co's political hijacking stunt this evening either.  Doesn't mean that I don't have some genuine respect for the man.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Lightning Phil on 03 February, 2021, 04:26:26 pm
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia.

Not when you're 100.

Indeed 58% of cases of pneumonia are 81 or over and 42% are under 81. Of the deaths 95% are 81 or over.  So although getting pneumonia is spread across the age ranges , the elderly are disproportionately affected when it comes to deaths.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: orienteer on 03 February, 2021, 04:52:03 pm
Apparently he had given a lot of support to his old regiment over the years, he wasn't a one-trick merchant.

He just happened to catch the public mood, aided by the media, so I don't begrudge his acclaim, he didn't let it go to his head.

But I am certainly not doing anything promoted by my local MP, our Vainglorious Leader. High time he found that ditch......
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 03 February, 2021, 04:54:22 pm
The guy walked up and down his garden.  And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).

None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making.

I bet you're one of those heartless bastards who didn't make the pilgrimage to put flowers outside Kensington Palace when Diana died too.

I did and nicked some for my mum's birthday.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 03 February, 2021, 05:10:37 pm
I have respect for everybody who goes above and beyond, who gives something back to our society.  I also happen to agree with davelodwig that there are literally thousands, maybe millions who do far far more for no recognition although in many ways people who are of that nature are also genuinely humble, modest and unassuming as well as inadvertently part of the fascist big society agenda.

I also loathe the way that bozo is playing politics here.  Cpt. Tom's endeavours were to support the NHS, the very same NHS that bozo's fascists have spent the last decade underfunding and covertly trying to privatise.  bozo and his fascist mates will still be wanting to do this once covid has passed: let's not conveniently forget this.

RIP Cpt. Tom.

I will not be clapping as part of bozo&co's political hijacking stunt this evening either.  Doesn't mean that I don't have some genuine respect for the man.

Sums it up for me. 

ps  Never understood why people don't take the wrapper off floral tributes.  Heaps of cellophane-wrapped flowers look too much like fly-tipping.

Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 03 February, 2021, 05:14:34 pm
I won't be. Nice chap but it ain't about him.

I didn't do the clapping anyway, I figured a fair number of them voted for the current clown cabaret and would do so again tomorrow, and given a choice between paying for the NHS or putting another Range Rover Evoque on the driveway would cheerful deliver their fuck-you to the NHS. But hey, they're clapping.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Ginger Cat on 03 February, 2021, 05:31:52 pm
Was Toms effort equivalent to 50 years of voluntary service to multiple charities?

Hmmm. You're coming across as somewhat churlish here.

No he isn't. He is bang on the money.

The guy walked up and down his garden.  And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).

None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making, especially if that cunt Johnson stands to benefit by osmosis.

Agree with all of this.

I cannot help but wonder if you replace Capn Tom with a working class black woman from the Windrush generation (and of the same age) doing the same they would have been given the same adulation?

Somehow I doubt it. I have no doubt the "WW2" angle and the myth of "stiff upper lip" was a big part of it methinks. They found someone who ticked all the boxes- service in WW2, was of a class where he was an officer, was still in the British Legion looking back stuff, was white and male. And happened to be doing a good thing. 

GC
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: grams on 03 February, 2021, 05:49:47 pm
All of the stories jump straight from him deciding to fundraise to having raised millions. There's a bit missing in the middle where presumably someone with some media savvy made phonecalls to newspapers or someone setup a Twitter account for him and someone famous retweeted him.

That person deserves a growth-hacking medal.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Jurek on 03 February, 2021, 06:04:07 pm
My street was silent.
Although I could hear a dribble of applause from a distance.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 February, 2021, 06:14:32 pm
Didn’t hear a thing over the Nogweegie DETH metal…
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 03 February, 2021, 06:23:08 pm
There were some strange whistling noises. I honestly thought it was foxes fucking until just now, and realised it's after 6pm.

It's what he would have wanted, a last symphony of vulpine amour.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: grams on 03 February, 2021, 06:32:28 pm
There were three maybe two maybe only one people trying to make it a thing. They didn't make it a thing.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Ruthie on 03 February, 2021, 06:32:50 pm
Just me and my next door neighbour. It’s pouring down! RIP Captain Tom. You set a good example.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 03 February, 2021, 06:38:22 pm
Well I went out and clapped even if you miserable gits didn’t.

In the words of some politician or other, he was a beacon of hope for millions.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Regulator on 03 February, 2021, 07:13:56 pm
Well I went out and clapped even if you miserable gits didn’t.

In the words of some politician or other, he was a beacon of hope for millions.


Was he?  What 'hope' did he beacon* for millions?


(And, yes, apparently it can be used as a verb).
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 03 February, 2021, 07:54:10 pm
Well I went out and clapped even if you miserable gits didn’t.

In the words of some politician or other, he was a beacon of hope for millions.


Was he?  What 'hope' did he beacon* for millions?


(And, yes, apparently it can be used as a verb).
That tomorrow will be a good day.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Ruthie on 03 February, 2021, 08:48:57 pm
Working on the frontline, it was a message of support from someone with no agenda. Who had lived through very hard times but who was still kind, and dignified, and who had survived. It was a little heartwarming positivity when everything was just horrible.  He was a good person. It’s important to be a good person, more so when things are difficult.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Canardly on 03 February, 2021, 08:55:03 pm
Captain Tom, great old boy and wonderful to see what happened in the last year of his life. Huge credit to him.  Anyone that has worn the uniform will understand where he was coming from. As to this Government riding on the back of his efforts, sucking as much political juice as possible from his passing does not impress me tbh.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: rogerzilla on 03 February, 2021, 09:15:18 pm
Nice guy, good attitude, made a lot of people happy.  Sadly, I think part of his popularity was that his ex-military title and war service probably rang a bell with the raving Brexity tabloids, but that wasn't his fault.

Edit: I didn't RTFT first, but basically what Flatus said.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: bhoot on 04 February, 2021, 12:20:12 am
He wasn't the only centenarian walking last year. This chap https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/ramadan-charity-walk-london-covid-19-bow-tom-moore/ didn't get as much publicity but raised a lot of money by normal standards (I gave to his effort as it was local to me) and it looks like he has at least been recognised with an OBE. 
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 04 February, 2021, 09:36:02 am
I think that at this point all centenarians should be forced to march up and down the nation's gardens.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: orraloon on 04 February, 2021, 12:03:36 pm
He would therefore have been in his 100th year...
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 04 February, 2021, 12:23:18 pm
I'm going to go against the grain here,

Yes it's sad someone has died, and it's good that his fundraising provided some hope for people in dark times.

I know a lot of people who have spent their entire lives supporting charities, arguably making far more of a contribution (probably not financially) and end up with no recognition, no public adulation, no birthday honours. What makes captain tom better than them, more deserving of the almost sycophantic hero worship he's receiving?
+1. You're not the only one thinking that.

It's a distraction... people in charge want you to clap to the pandemic heroes, so you don't think about the tens of thousands of lives that could have been spared by doing the right thing at the right time, rather than constantly getting it wrong.

He was obviously a good man, who in the end got squeezed like a lemon for the benefit of charities and politicians...
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 04 February, 2021, 01:14:52 pm
His obituary said he had been on blankety-blank suggesting at least some desire for publicity.

He walked up and down his garden. Given that age related muscle loss is a real problem then he was simply doing what any medicine for the elderly person would have advised. Regular gentle exercise.

he did not do anything that required him to do something really difficult or heroic.

Nice guy, not exceptional.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 February, 2021, 01:29:12 pm
Captain Sir Tom Moore: Cleric's apology for tweet condemning nationwide clap 'does not undo hurt (https://news.sky.com/story/captain-sir-tom-moore-apology-for-tweet-condemning-clap-for-captain-tom-does-not-undo-hurt-12208212).  Way to go, Rev! ::-)
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Regulator on 04 February, 2021, 02:38:50 pm
Captain Sir Tom Moore: Cleric's apology for tweet condemning nationwide clap 'does not undo hurt (https://news.sky.com/story/captain-sir-tom-moore-apology-for-tweet-condemning-clap-for-captain-tom-does-not-undo-hurt-12208212).  Way to go, Rev! ::-)

He's right though...
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: L CC on 04 February, 2021, 02:52:58 pm
You can be not wrong without being right.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Jaded on 04 February, 2021, 04:32:42 pm
Next week we are going to clap for all the centenarians that were taken before their time by the badly managed pandemic.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 04 February, 2021, 09:09:31 pm
Can we all clap when Boris goes?
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 February, 2021, 09:11:18 pm
Clap?  I'll be doing the fandango, lockdown or no lockdown.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: citoyen on 05 February, 2021, 10:07:27 am
Limmy:
https://twitter.com/DaftLimmy/status/1357105182430142467?s=20
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: L CC on 05 February, 2021, 10:26:14 am
Quote from: my mam
Tom worship actually dangerous. Remember Baal!
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Kim on 05 February, 2021, 10:37:49 am
Can we all clap when Boris goes?

That's the only thing I'm going to be clapping for.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: citoyen on 05 February, 2021, 10:52:26 am
Can we all clap when Boris goes?

I expect he's already had the clap.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: De Sisti on 05 February, 2021, 11:11:38 am
They'll be wanting to erect a statue to celebrate the last year of his life.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: TimC on 05 February, 2021, 01:35:12 pm
Working on the frontline, it was a message of support from someone with no agenda. Who had lived through very hard times but who was still kind, and dignified, and who had survived. It was a little heartwarming positivity when everything was just horrible.  He was a good person. It’s important to be a good person, more so when things are difficult.

Sadly, Ruthie, some people just want to see the bad in everything and delight in looking for clues that confirm their cynicism.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 February, 2021, 01:41:26 pm
Cynicism?

You want cynicism? How about the man who has presided over 112k deaths calling for a clap for a man who is one of the 112k. I find the cynicism there so deep I can almost taste it.



Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: TimC on 05 February, 2021, 01:47:05 pm
You can be as nasty as you like about Boris, and I'm right with you. However, I find it sad that the death of an old man doing something he believed in for other people has become a vehicle for targeting the Tories.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 February, 2021, 01:54:19 pm
I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Polar Bear on 05 February, 2021, 02:18:44 pm
You can be as nasty as you like about Boris, and I'm right with you. However, I find it sad that the death of an old man doing something he believed in for other people has become a vehicle for targeting the Tories.

My personal view on Cpt. Tom is already aired upthread.  I have the utmost respect for him.

What I don't have any respect for how bozo&co have jumped upon this for their own political convenience forgetting that Cpt. Tom did what e did to help his country and the struggling and woefully underfunded NHS.  Now, which bunch of twunts is responsible for this and which bunch of twunts will be back on the privatisation by stealth agenda as soon as they can get away with it?

Cpt. Tom has been cynically used for political gain and as a distraction from the ongoing deadly incompetence of this government in mismanaged almost every aspect of the pandemic.

And every time any opposition raises an issue the chorus goes up from the fascist front bench that they are simply playing politics.  Hypocrites, bullies and fascists destroying democracy.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 05 February, 2021, 02:21:24 pm
I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..
Technically I think Keir Starmer pipped Boris by half an hour ... https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1356638212001845248 and so the bandwagon was already on the move. I have no objection to either party leader or the Queen praising Capt Tom.

The other suggestion that anyone clapping for Captain Tom is a white supremacist racist is just nonsense.

A bit of positivity when times are miserable is good for you.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Peter on 05 February, 2021, 02:24:22 pm
People vary in their interpretation of positivity - and what is a positive direction.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 February, 2021, 02:27:59 pm
Positivity would be fewer than 110k people  dying.

How about we confront reality rather than wrapping ourselves in flags, mythology, and other confected bullshit.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Peter on 05 February, 2021, 02:36:35 pm
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 February, 2021, 03:11:15 pm
I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..

The other suggestion that anyone clapping for Captain Tom is a white supremacist racist is just nonsense.


Who suggested that? 

I think there is a racial aspect to this that I find annoying, though this isn't I am sure, the intention or fault of Tom. The NHS, for whom he walked his garden, is 22% non-white, and yet the covid deaths within the NHS staff are disproportionately non-white.  What bothers me is that the 'Capt Tom' imagery 'whitewashes' the NHS. It is the exact imagary used by Farage and the racists. Its only a matter of time before they start projecting an image of Tom on the White Cliffs of Dover.  Again, he is garnering all the attention. People are choosing their symbolism, or rather they are being fed it by a right-wing media, and right-wing politicians.  He didn't give his life for the NHS, wheras many others did.

Where are their statues?  What, even, are their names?
Title: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 05 February, 2021, 03:58:12 pm
I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..

The other suggestion that anyone clapping for Captain Tom is a white supremacist racist is just nonsense.


Who suggested that? 

I think there is a racial aspect to this that I find annoying, though this isn't I am sure, the intention or fault of Tom. The NHS, for whom he walked his garden, is 22% non-white, and yet the covid deaths within the NHS staff are disproportionately non-white.  What bothers me is that the 'Capt Tom' imagery 'whitewashes' the NHS. It is the exact imagary used by Farage and the racists. Its only a matter of time before they start projecting an image of Tom on the White Cliffs of Dover.  Again, he is garnering all the attention. People are choosing their symbolism, or rather they are being fed it by a right-wing media, and right-wing politicians.  He didn't give his life for the NHS, wheras many others did.

Where are their statues?  What, even, are their names?
See link in #64 #65  above.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: fuzzy on 05 February, 2021, 04:00:56 pm
Folk getting hot under the collar about politicians hijacking something positive that has occurred under their watch though not of their doing?

Isn't this what politicians of all stripe spend their careers doing?

Captain Sir Tom? A good egg who gave some people something pleasurable to think about during this very grim and trying time.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: hubner on 05 February, 2021, 04:02:24 pm
It's all part of the culture war. It's why Christmas wasn't "cancelled".

You can bet every flag waving white supremacist Empire apologist imperialist "our boys" supporting England-rules-the-wave-jingoist did clap.

This is like all racists/xenophobes voted leave but not all those who voted leave were racists/xenophobes.


I don't think anyone here's mentioned he took a holiday in Barbados in December.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 February, 2021, 04:02:51 pm
I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..

The other suggestion that anyone clapping for Captain Tom is a white supremacist racist is just nonsense.


Who suggested that? 

I think there is a racial aspect to this that I find annoying, though this isn't I am sure, the intention or fault of Tom. The NHS, for whom he walked his garden, is 22% non-white, and yet the covid deaths within the NHS staff are disproportionately non-white.  What bothers me is that the 'Capt Tom' imagery 'whitewashes' the NHS. It is the exact imagary used by Farage and the racists. Its only a matter of time before they start projecting an image of Tom on the White Cliffs of Dover.  Again, he is garnering all the attention. People are choosing their symbolism, or rather they are being fed it by a right-wing media, and right-wing politicians.  He didn't give his life for the NHS, wheras many others did.

Where are their statues?  What, even, are their names?
See link in #64 #65  above.


Ah the clergyman's tweet.

You are misrepresenting it. There is nothing there about white supremacist racism. Here is his tweet:

 "The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism. I will offer prayers for the repose of his kind and generous soul, but I will not be joining the 'National Clap'."


White nationalism is not white supremacism, and the racist element exists insofar as it ignores the contribution of non-whites. I think the clergyman has a point. It doesn't mean all the clappers are white nationalists, but the imagery of the cult is the same as that of white nationalists.

Remember that the cult of Capt Tom, is not the same as Capt. Tom.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: fuzzy on 05 February, 2021, 04:04:22 pm
I don't think anyone here's mentioned he took a holiday in Barbados in December.

Reply #9
Title: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 05 February, 2021, 04:11:39 pm
I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..

The other suggestion that anyone clapping for Captain Tom is a white supremacist racist is just nonsense.


Who suggested that? 

I think there is a racial aspect to this that I find annoying, though this isn't I am sure, the intention or fault of Tom. The NHS, for whom he walked his garden, is 22% non-white, and yet the covid deaths within the NHS staff are disproportionately non-white.  What bothers me is that the 'Capt Tom' imagery 'whitewashes' the NHS. It is the exact imagary used by Farage and the racists. Its only a matter of time before they start projecting an image of Tom on the White Cliffs of Dover.  Again, he is garnering all the attention. People are choosing their symbolism, or rather they are being fed it by a right-wing media, and right-wing politicians.  He didn't give his life for the NHS, wheras many others did.

Where are their statues?  What, even, are their names?
See link in #64 #65  above.


Ah the clergyman's tweet.

You are misrepresenting it.

There is nothing there about white supremacist racism.
“White nationalist” were his exact words. “White nationalism” is thinking white people are a superior race. I am not sure my “white supremacist racism” is misrepresentation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 February, 2021, 04:19:10 pm
White nationalism is not thinking that whites are a superior race. It is thinking that whites are a race, as distinct from non-whites. As your wiki link suggests, it overlaps with white supremacism. That does not mean it IS white supremacism.

If the clergyman had mean white supremacism he might have...you know...said white supremacism.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: hubner on 05 February, 2021, 04:21:44 pm
Captain Sir Tom Moore: Cleric's apology for tweet condemning nationwide clap 'does not undo hurt (https://news.sky.com/story/captain-sir-tom-moore-apology-for-tweet-condemning-clap-for-captain-tom-does-not-undo-hurt-12208212).  Way to go, Rev! ::-)

He should have stood by what he said.

This "Captain Tom" is a creation by the right wing media, he wasn't "hijacked" by Boris Johnson.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: fuaran on 05 February, 2021, 04:29:53 pm
“White nationalist” were his exact words.
No, they were not.
Title: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 05 February, 2021, 04:30:30 pm
You are saying white nationalists believe white people are a race but not necessarily a superior race ? Hmmm. There may be a special subgroup for white inferiortists but I membership would be limited.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 05 February, 2021, 04:32:01 pm
“White nationalist” were his exact words.
No, they were not.
“White British nationalism”
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 February, 2021, 04:35:21 pm
You are saying white nationalists believe white people are a race but necessarily a superior race ? Hmmm. There may be a special subgroup for white inferiortists but I membership would be limited.

That is not the only other possibility  ;)

Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: fuaran on 05 February, 2021, 04:45:02 pm
“White nationalist” were his exact words.
No, they were not.
“White British nationalism”
Exactly. So a Wikipedia article about an American concept is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 February, 2021, 04:46:44 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=small

And here we go.  Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.


So davej, what was it you were saying?
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 05 February, 2021, 04:49:22 pm
You are saying white nationalists believe white people are a race but necessarily a superior race ? Hmmm. There may be a special subgroup for white inferiortists but I membership would be limited.

That is not the only other possibility  ;)
“According to Merriam-Webster, the first documented use of the term "white nationalist" was 1951, to refer to a member of a militant group which espouses white supremacy and racial segregation.[16] Merriam-Webster also notes usage of the two-word phrase as early as 1925.[17] The term was originally used by white supremacists as a euphemism for white supremacy”

The Ku Klux Klan refer to themselves as white nationalists.

I think it is generally implying racism.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 05 February, 2021, 04:52:36 pm
“White nationalist” were his exact words.
No, they were not.
“White British nationalism”
Exactly. So a Wikipedia article about an American concept is irrelevant.
So what is “white British nationalism” then ? Is it not British national party kind of thing ? I am sure calling someone a white British nationalist is saying that they are racist.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 05 February, 2021, 04:59:01 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=small

And here we go.  Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.


So davej, what was it you were saying?
I was saying that Rev robinson-brown should not be saying that anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist. I did not read your Richard littlejohn link as it is clearly written by a loon.  Are you saying the revs tweet was ok because you have found something worse?
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 February, 2021, 05:03:59 pm
Again, I think you are misrepresenting the clergyman. You are assuming that he includes all of the clappers as cult members. 

I'm citing Littlejohn's article as evidence that Littlejohn thinks a white British nationalist cult centred on Capt Tom exists.

After all, Littlejohn only writes articles for which he believes there is an audience.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 05 February, 2021, 05:08:46 pm
Come on chaps, everything done by white people is racist.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 February, 2021, 05:16:26 pm
Pipe down, Laurence.
Title: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 05 February, 2021, 05:26:53 pm


This "Captain Tom" is a creation by the right wing media, he wasn't "hijacked" by Boris Johnson.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/captain-tom-moore-keep-walking-raise-money-nhs

You don’t get much more right wing than that.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 05 February, 2021, 05:39:33 pm
Pipe down, Laurence.

Come to think of it, I did mistake the sound of the 6 pm cheer for foxes fucking. Maybe, just maybe, that was Lozzer putting one in the back of the net.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 06 February, 2021, 09:04:41 am
Let's just remind ourselves...

who recommended Capt Tom for a knighthood?
who ordered flags at No10 to be lowered on his death?
who suggested a national clap for Capt Tom?
who described Capt Tom as a 'Point of Light' on his 100th birthday?
Who is backing a Daily Mail campaign to erect a Tom statue?

Why is Boris Johnson doing all these things when he hasn't done a single thing to honour the many medical staff (disproportionately BAME) who have lost their lives to Covid?  No statues, no lowered flags, no knighthoods.

What is it about Sir Captain Tom that Johnson feels is particularly useful to him politically?  Could it be that he feels it burnishes his self-appointed image as the Winston Churchill de nos jours?
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: T42 on 06 February, 2021, 11:55:28 am
Poor old bugger, if only he'd known the squabbling he'd inspire he'd have stayed in his recliner chair. Having helped MrsT's dad to hospital appointments etc when he was in his 90s I can appreciate the kind of effort he made and the pain he probably felt from arthritis. I wouldn't begrudge him anything he received.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 06 February, 2021, 12:11:39 pm
I'm not begrudging him anything.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: T42 on 06 February, 2021, 02:04:46 pm
Ah.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 06 February, 2021, 06:02:45 pm
His corpse has been co-opted into the right-wing culture war (see post about Daily Mail accusing black people of triyng to topple a statue that doesn't even exist) 

The culture war exists to make people outraged and crystallise support and to make people outraged at non-existent things to distract them from being outraged by reality.

That is what pisses me off.  If you think I'm angry about a 100year old man, himself, you have been suckered by the culture war and may I interest you in some cast iron investments that will see a 500% return, tax free.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 06 February, 2021, 08:34:41 pm
Honestly, I hope he had a fucking awesome final year (a year that for most of us has been shit) and that's enough. Shame he didn't get to end on the high notes of viagra and nubile twins, of course, because that's how I'd like to go if I hit 100.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 06 February, 2021, 09:11:34 pm
I doubt it.

You'll probably be more interested in biscuits
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: ian on 06 February, 2021, 09:44:08 pm
Probably, but you need a stretch goal.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 06 February, 2021, 09:59:20 pm
Well, if you pull it off, and you get to the end of the event, don't be disappointed if just a bit of dust comes out
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Giraffe on 07 February, 2021, 08:01:56 am
Cue 'Eskimo Nell', first verse(?).
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: T42 on 07 February, 2021, 08:18:44 am
His corpse has been co-opted into the right-wing culture war (see post about Daily Mail accusing black people of triyng to topple a statue that doesn't even exist) 

The culture war exists to make people outraged and crystallise support and to make people outraged at non-existent things to distract them from being outraged by reality.

That is what pisses me off.  If you think I'm angry about a 100year old man, himself, you have been suckered by the culture war and may I interest you in some cast iron investments that will see a 500% return, tax free.

All I've seen about him has been the initial news, the bit about the public recognition and then this thread, which I haven't read much of because of the bluster.  I certainly recall comments along the lines of "he walked round his garden, so what? Volunteers of 30 years standing get nothing" or some such. If that's not begrudging it certainly gives a bloody good impression. Anyway, that was on the first page. It's now up to 3 pages and I'm just somewhat surprised that the vapouring is still going on.  That's all.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Regulator on 07 February, 2021, 08:47:23 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=small

And here we go.  Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.


So davej, what was it you were saying?
I was saying that Rev robinson-brown should not be saying that anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist. I did not read your Richard littlejohn link as it is clearly written by a loon.  Are you saying the revs tweet was ok because you have found something worse?


But he didn’t say that, did he?
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 07 February, 2021, 08:55:01 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=small

And here we go.  Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.


So davej, what was it you were saying?
I was saying that Rev robinson-brown should not be saying that anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist. I did not read your Richard littlejohn link as it is clearly written by a loon.  Are you saying the revs tweet was ok because you have found something worse?


But he didn’t say that, did he?
His exact words were “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism. I will offer prayers for the repose of his kind and generous soul, but I will not be joining the 'National Clap'."
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 07 February, 2021, 09:06:06 am
Are those exact words the same as these exact words?

anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Hot Flatus on 07 February, 2021, 09:10:36 am
His corpse has been co-opted into the right-wing culture war (see post about Daily Mail accusing black people of triyng to topple a statue that doesn't even exist) 

The culture war exists to make people outraged and crystallise support and to make people outraged at non-existent things to distract them from being outraged by reality.

That is what pisses me off.  If you think I'm angry about a 100year old man, himself, you have been suckered by the culture war and may I interest you in some cast iron investments that will see a 500% return, tax free.

All I've seen about him has been the initial news, the bit about the public recognition and then this thread, which I haven't read much of because of the bluster.  I certainly recall comments along the lines of "he walked round his garden, so what? Volunteers of 30 years standing get nothing" or some such. If that's not begrudging it certainly gives a bloody good impression. Anyway, that was on the first page. It's now up to 3 pages and I'm just somewhat surprised that the vapouring is still going on.  That's all.

Is thinking that other people's efforts and sacrifices (in some cases, their lives) should be recognised the same as saying that Capt Tom's efforts should not?
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Jurek on 07 February, 2021, 09:34:05 am
Am I alone in thinking that this is nuts?
https://www.real-fix.com/videos/watch-this-woman-completely-transform-herself-into-100-year-old-captain-tom-moore-using-only-makeup-and-body-paint/
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Regulator on 07 February, 2021, 12:52:11 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=small

And here we go.  Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.


So davej, what was it you were saying?
I was saying that Rev robinson-brown should not be saying that anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist. I did not read your Richard littlejohn link as it is clearly written by a loon.  Are you saying the revs tweet was ok because you have found something worse?


But he didn’t say that, did he?
His exact words were “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism. I will offer prayers for the repose of his kind and generous soul, but I will not be joining the 'National Clap'."


So he didn’t say “... anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist” did he?   
Title: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Davef on 07 February, 2021, 03:27:57 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=small

And here we go.  Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.


So davej, what was it you were saying?
I was saying that Rev robinson-brown should not be saying that anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist. I did not read your Richard littlejohn link as it is clearly written by a loon.  Are you saying the revs tweet was ok because you have found something worse?


But he didn’t say that, did he?
His exact words were “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism. I will offer prayers for the repose of his kind and generous soul, but I will not be joining the 'National Clap'."


So he didn’t say “... anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist” did he?
You are correct I did not have the exact words. Perhaps he was saying something other than that the ‘national clap’ was part of the cult of Capt Tom and therefore he was not participating, but if so I don’t know what. If I was quoting him exactly I would have used quotation marks.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: sg37409 on 08 February, 2021, 07:16:28 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-55986646

“ A Police Scotland spokeswoman said: "On Friday 5 February 2021, we received a report of an offensive tweet about Sir Captain Tom Moore who died on Tuesday 2 February.”

Too bad we can’t get then looking at every woman MPs Twitter feed
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: sg37409 on 19 February, 2021, 02:12:06 pm
Introducing, The Captain Tom Rose...

http://email.yougarden.com/interface/external_view_email.php?AJ93558905818236586993714zzzzz64948d376bc29fb57e84aa7af700fb68796b88d9099635d37b5c2fc795490cc08e

Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 June, 2022, 12:28:33 pm
Oops...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jun/30/family-of-captain-sir-tom-moore-face-formal-inquiry-into-charity-setup
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 July, 2023, 06:57:28 pm
And as an echo of the previous "Ooops"...

Oooops! https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/07/captain-tom-foundation-spa-complex-central-bedfordshire-council

I had a quick look through the first few posts of this thread and I remember thinking when all this started off, how weird it was.

An old cynic like me can't help thinking that there was some Tory cabinet member behind the whole stunt from start to finish.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: liam_whippet on 08 July, 2023, 10:08:51 am
You do know Marston Moretaine is in the parliamentary constituency of, er, Mid-Bedfordshire??



And so's its new 'sex pond'  ...

Now, can I sell you some mind bleach?

Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Tim Hall on 08 July, 2023, 11:06:47 am


And so's its new 'sex pond'  ...

Currently earworming Tom Jones...
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 July, 2023, 11:27:29 am
You do know Marston Moretaine is in the parliamentary constituency of, er, Mid-Bedfordshire??



And so's its new 'sex pond'  ...

Now, can I sell you some mind bleach?

It's just too good to be true... isn't it?

Estuary airport, garden bridge, sex pond... well, one out of three is better than his usual success rate.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Polar Bear on 08 July, 2023, 11:46:52 am
I wonder if Mad Nads has enjoyed some hospitality there ...
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: liam_whippet on 08 July, 2023, 12:13:22 pm
You do know Marston Moretaine is in the parliamentary constituency of, er, Mid-Bedfordshire??



And so's its new 'sex pond'  ...

Now, can I sell you some mind bleach?

It's just too good to be true... isn't it?

Estuary airport, garden bridge, sex pond... well, one out of three is better than his usual success rate.

The reason it's better than his usual success rate, is that it's not one of his successes ....

PB has it!
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 July, 2023, 12:31:02 pm
You do know Marston Moretaine is in the parliamentary constituency of, er, Mid-Bedfordshire??



And so's its new 'sex pond'  ...

Now, can I sell you some mind bleach?

It's just too good to be true... isn't it?

Estuary airport, garden bridge, sex pond... well, one out of three is better than his usual success rate.

The reason it's better than his usual success rate, is that it's not one of his successes ....

PB has it!

I was speculating concerning with whom Mad Nads was sharing the sex pond.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: rogerzilla on 16 August, 2023, 03:36:19 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/16/captain-tom-charity-faces-scrutiny-after-report-of-payments-to-daughter

More alleged grift.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Bledlow on 21 August, 2023, 01:59:44 pm
The professional manager with charity experience who was appointed to sort out the charity after the daughter ran it for nine months (paid £85,000 annual rate) left after only four months, after which it didn't have a chief executive.

Apparently, it spent more on admin than it gave in grants (its supposed purpose) in its first year, & the family pocketd a fair bit of that, & would have had more if the daughter hadn't been prevented by the Charity Commission from taking charge for a mere £100,000 a year.
Title: Re: Capt Tom RIP
Post by: Regulator on 21 August, 2023, 02:09:26 pm
The professional manager with charity experience who was appointed to sort out the charity after the daughter ran it for nine months (paid £85,000 annual rate) left after only four months, after which it didn't have a chief executive.

Apparently, it spent more on admin than it gave in grants (its supposed purpose) in its first year, & the family pocketd a fair bit of that, & would have had more if the daughter hadn't been prevented by the Charity Commission from taking charge for a mere £100,000 a year.


It's not unusual for new charities to spend more on admin than in grants in their early years.  I think what sets alarm bells ringing for me is the involvement of the family, what grants have been given to date (for some rather odd activities) and the repeated failure to appoint someone suitably qualified and experienced to run the organisation (and as you say, the qualified person who was initially appointed leaving so soon).

That said, I think the whole Cap't Tom thing was overdone and overhyped, pushed politically to deflect attention from policy problems.