Sad but perhaps not unexpected - 100 is a pretty good innings.
Sad but perhaps not unexpected - 100 is a pretty good innings.
Being taken by coronavirus is a cruel twist of fate though.
He had pneumonia - so couldn't be given the jab.Sad but perhaps not unexpected - 100 is a pretty good innings.
Being taken by coronavirus is a cruel twist of fate though.
AIUI he was already ill before contracting Covid.
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia.
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia.
Not when you're 100.
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia.
Not when you're 100.
At a guess, at least one in ten very old people die of/with some form of pneumonia. Might be MUCH more, like half...
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia.My youngest sister died of pneumonia, together with myocarditis, aged 28.
I'm going to go against the grain here,
Yes it's sad someone has died, and it's good that his fundraising provided some hope for people in dark times.
I know a lot of people who have spent their entire lives supporting charities, arguably making far more of a contribution (probably not financially) and end up with no recognition, no public adulation, no birthday honours. What makes captain tom better than them, more deserving of the almost sycophantic hero worship he's receiving?
I'm going to go against the grain here,
Yes it's sad someone has died, and it's good that his fundraising provided some hope for people in dark times.
I know a lot of people who have spent their entire lives supporting charities, arguably making far more of a contribution (probably not financially) and end up with no recognition, no public adulation, no birthday honours. What makes captain tom better than them, more deserving of the almost sycophantic hero worship he's receiving?
National Clap for Tom at 6pm tonight!
National Clap for Tom at 6pm tonight!
National Clap for Tom at 6pm tonight!
I presume this is some pronouncement by The UK Flagshagger in Chief during PMQs?
National Clap for Tom at 6pm tonight!
What he did was great. The knighthood and promotion were fitting. RIP
Hi-jacking... Johnson's a cunt.
I'm going to go against the grain here,+1. You're not the only one thinking that.
Yes it's sad someone has died, and it's good that his fundraising provided some hope for people in dark times.
I know a lot of people who have spent their entire lives supporting charities, arguably making far more of a contribution (probably not financially) and end up with no recognition, no public adulation, no birthday honours. What makes captain tom better than them, more deserving of the almost sycophantic hero worship he's receiving?
What he did was great. The knighthood and promotion were fitting. RIP
Hi-jacking... Johnson's a cunt.
Was Toms effort equivalent to 50 years of voluntary service to multiple charities?
Was Toms effort equivalent to 50 years of voluntary service to multiple charities?
Hmmm. You're coming across as somewhat churlish here.
A kind of perfect storm of National Kitsch, at a time of genuine existential fear and threat.
The guy walked up and down his garden. And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).
None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making.
The guy walked up and down his garden. And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).
None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making.
I bet you're one of those heartless bastards who didn't make the pilgrimage to put flowers outside Kensington Palace when Diana died too.
Didnt get the chance. I hadn't returned from a work trip to Paris.
Was Toms effort equivalent to 50 years of voluntary service to multiple charities?
Hmmm. You're coming across as somewhat churlish here.
No he isn't. He is bang on the money.
The guy walked up and down his garden. And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).
None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making, especially if that cunt Johnson stands to benefit by osmosis.
In the UK you have roughly a 1:5,000 chance you’ll die from pneumonia.
Not when you're 100.
The guy walked up and down his garden. And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).
None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making.
I bet you're one of those heartless bastards who didn't make the pilgrimage to put flowers outside Kensington Palace when Diana died too.
I have respect for everybody who goes above and beyond, who gives something back to our society. I also happen to agree with davelodwig that there are literally thousands, maybe millions who do far far more for no recognition although in many ways people who are of that nature are also genuinely humble, modest and unassuming as well as inadvertently part of the fascist big society agenda.
I also loathe the way that bozo is playing politics here. Cpt. Tom's endeavours were to support the NHS, the very same NHS that bozo's fascists have spent the last decade underfunding and covertly trying to privatise. bozo and his fascist mates will still be wanting to do this once covid has passed: let's not conveniently forget this.
RIP Cpt. Tom.
I will not be clapping as part of bozo&co's political hijacking stunt this evening either. Doesn't mean that I don't have some genuine respect for the man.
Was Toms effort equivalent to 50 years of voluntary service to multiple charities?
Hmmm. You're coming across as somewhat churlish here.
No he isn't. He is bang on the money.
The guy walked up and down his garden. And for this he was feted as a national hero and some sort of symbol of the NHS, and the plucky Brit. It isn't just the fact he was 100 that played into the myth making. It was all the military stuff too. World War 2. Medals. Captain (none of your NCO scum).
None of this is his fault, and good on him for walking up and down his garden, but there are many more people who have done much more and for much longer. The 'Captain Tom' thing is a media creation and I'm not buying into the myth making, especially if that cunt Johnson stands to benefit by osmosis.
Well I went out and clapped even if you miserable gits didn’t.
In the words of some politician or other, he was a beacon of hope for millions.
That tomorrow will be a good day.Well I went out and clapped even if you miserable gits didn’t.
In the words of some politician or other, he was a beacon of hope for millions.
Was he? What 'hope' did he beacon* for millions?
(And, yes, apparently it can be used as a verb).
I'm going to go against the grain here,+1. You're not the only one thinking that.
Yes it's sad someone has died, and it's good that his fundraising provided some hope for people in dark times.
I know a lot of people who have spent their entire lives supporting charities, arguably making far more of a contribution (probably not financially) and end up with no recognition, no public adulation, no birthday honours. What makes captain tom better than them, more deserving of the almost sycophantic hero worship he's receiving?
Captain Sir Tom Moore: Cleric's apology for tweet condemning nationwide clap 'does not undo hurt (https://news.sky.com/story/captain-sir-tom-moore-apology-for-tweet-condemning-clap-for-captain-tom-does-not-undo-hurt-12208212). Way to go, Rev! ::-)
Tom worship actually dangerous. Remember Baal!
Can we all clap when Boris goes?
Can we all clap when Boris goes?
Working on the frontline, it was a message of support from someone with no agenda. Who had lived through very hard times but who was still kind, and dignified, and who had survived. It was a little heartwarming positivity when everything was just horrible. He was a good person. It’s important to be a good person, more so when things are difficult.
You can be as nasty as you like about Boris, and I'm right with you. However, I find it sad that the death of an old man doing something he believed in for other people has become a vehicle for targeting the Tories.
I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..Technically I think Keir Starmer pipped Boris by half an hour ... https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1356638212001845248 and so the bandwagon was already on the move. I have no objection to either party leader or the Queen praising Capt Tom.
I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..
The other suggestion that anyone clapping for Captain Tom is a white supremacist racist is just nonsense.
See link in #64 #65 above.I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..
The other suggestion that anyone clapping for Captain Tom is a white supremacist racist is just nonsense.
Who suggested that?
I think there is a racial aspect to this that I find annoying, though this isn't I am sure, the intention or fault of Tom. The NHS, for whom he walked his garden, is 22% non-white, and yet the covid deaths within the NHS staff are disproportionately non-white. What bothers me is that the 'Capt Tom' imagery 'whitewashes' the NHS. It is the exact imagary used by Farage and the racists. Its only a matter of time before they start projecting an image of Tom on the White Cliffs of Dover. Again, he is garnering all the attention. People are choosing their symbolism, or rather they are being fed it by a right-wing media, and right-wing politicians. He didn't give his life for the NHS, wheras many others did.
Where are their statues? What, even, are their names?
See link in #64 #65 above.I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..
The other suggestion that anyone clapping for Captain Tom is a white supremacist racist is just nonsense.
Who suggested that?
I think there is a racial aspect to this that I find annoying, though this isn't I am sure, the intention or fault of Tom. The NHS, for whom he walked his garden, is 22% non-white, and yet the covid deaths within the NHS staff are disproportionately non-white. What bothers me is that the 'Capt Tom' imagery 'whitewashes' the NHS. It is the exact imagary used by Farage and the racists. Its only a matter of time before they start projecting an image of Tom on the White Cliffs of Dover. Again, he is garnering all the attention. People are choosing their symbolism, or rather they are being fed it by a right-wing media, and right-wing politicians. He didn't give his life for the NHS, wheras many others did.
Where are their statues? What, even, are their names?
I don't think anyone here's mentioned he took a holiday in Barbados in December.
“White nationalist” were his exact words. “White nationalism” is thinking white people are a superior race. I am not sure my “white supremacist racism” is misrepresentation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalismSee link in #64 #65 above.I'd say that the Tories set that bandwagon rolling for their own nefarious reasons - so that any one who criticised them for it was also seen to be criticising Tom Moore. See also Antisemitism vs Opposing Persecution of Palestinians by the Israeli state..
The other suggestion that anyone clapping for Captain Tom is a white supremacist racist is just nonsense.
Who suggested that?
I think there is a racial aspect to this that I find annoying, though this isn't I am sure, the intention or fault of Tom. The NHS, for whom he walked his garden, is 22% non-white, and yet the covid deaths within the NHS staff are disproportionately non-white. What bothers me is that the 'Capt Tom' imagery 'whitewashes' the NHS. It is the exact imagary used by Farage and the racists. Its only a matter of time before they start projecting an image of Tom on the White Cliffs of Dover. Again, he is garnering all the attention. People are choosing their symbolism, or rather they are being fed it by a right-wing media, and right-wing politicians. He didn't give his life for the NHS, wheras many others did.
Where are their statues? What, even, are their names?
Ah the clergyman's tweet.
You are misrepresenting it.
There is nothing there about white supremacist racism.
Captain Sir Tom Moore: Cleric's apology for tweet condemning nationwide clap 'does not undo hurt (https://news.sky.com/story/captain-sir-tom-moore-apology-for-tweet-condemning-clap-for-captain-tom-does-not-undo-hurt-12208212). Way to go, Rev! ::-)
“White nationalist” were his exact words.No, they were not.
“White British nationalism”“White nationalist” were his exact words.No, they were not.
You are saying white nationalists believe white people are a race but necessarily a superior race ? Hmmm. There may be a special subgroup for white inferiortists but I membership would be limited.
Exactly. So a Wikipedia article about an American concept is irrelevant.“White British nationalism”“White nationalist” were his exact words.No, they were not.
“According to Merriam-Webster, the first documented use of the term "white nationalist" was 1951, to refer to a member of a militant group which espouses white supremacy and racial segregation.[16] Merriam-Webster also notes usage of the two-word phrase as early as 1925.[17] The term was originally used by white supremacists as a euphemism for white supremacy”You are saying white nationalists believe white people are a race but necessarily a superior race ? Hmmm. There may be a special subgroup for white inferiortists but I membership would be limited.
That is not the only other possibility ;)
So what is “white British nationalism” then ? Is it not British national party kind of thing ? I am sure calling someone a white British nationalist is saying that they are racist.Exactly. So a Wikipedia article about an American concept is irrelevant.“White British nationalism”“White nationalist” were his exact words.No, they were not.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=smallI was saying that Rev robinson-brown should not be saying that anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist. I did not read your Richard littlejohn link as it is clearly written by a loon. Are you saying the revs tweet was ok because you have found something worse?
And here we go. Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.
So davej, what was it you were saying?
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/captain-tom-moore-keep-walking-raise-money-nhs
This "Captain Tom" is a creation by the right wing media, he wasn't "hijacked" by Boris Johnson.
Pipe down, Laurence.
His corpse has been co-opted into the right-wing culture war (see post about Daily Mail accusing black people of triyng to topple a statue that doesn't even exist)
The culture war exists to make people outraged and crystallise support and to make people outraged at non-existent things to distract them from being outraged by reality.
That is what pisses me off. If you think I'm angry about a 100year old man, himself, you have been suckered by the culture war and may I interest you in some cast iron investments that will see a 500% return, tax free.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=smallI was saying that Rev robinson-brown should not be saying that anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist. I did not read your Richard littlejohn link as it is clearly written by a loon. Are you saying the revs tweet was ok because you have found something worse?
And here we go. Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.
So davej, what was it you were saying?
His exact words were “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism. I will offer prayers for the repose of his kind and generous soul, but I will not be joining the 'National Clap'."https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=smallI was saying that Rev robinson-brown should not be saying that anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist. I did not read your Richard littlejohn link as it is clearly written by a loon. Are you saying the revs tweet was ok because you have found something worse?
And here we go. Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.
So davej, what was it you were saying?
But he didn’t say that, did he?
anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist.
His corpse has been co-opted into the right-wing culture war (see post about Daily Mail accusing black people of triyng to topple a statue that doesn't even exist)
The culture war exists to make people outraged and crystallise support and to make people outraged at non-existent things to distract them from being outraged by reality.
That is what pisses me off. If you think I'm angry about a 100year old man, himself, you have been suckered by the culture war and may I interest you in some cast iron investments that will see a 500% return, tax free.
All I've seen about him has been the initial news, the bit about the public recognition and then this thread, which I haven't read much of because of the bluster. I certainly recall comments along the lines of "he walked round his garden, so what? Volunteers of 30 years standing get nothing" or some such. If that's not begrudging it certainly gives a bloody good impression. Anyway, that was on the first page. It's now up to 3 pages and I'm just somewhat surprised that the vapouring is still going on. That's all.
His exact words were “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism. I will offer prayers for the repose of his kind and generous soul, but I will not be joining the 'National Clap'."https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=smallI was saying that Rev robinson-brown should not be saying that anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist. I did not read your Richard littlejohn link as it is clearly written by a loon. Are you saying the revs tweet was ok because you have found something worse?
And here we go. Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.
So davej, what was it you were saying?
But he didn’t say that, did he?
You are correct I did not have the exact words. Perhaps he was saying something other than that the ‘national clap’ was part of the cult of Capt Tom and therefore he was not participating, but if so I don’t know what. If I was quoting him exactly I would have used quotation marks.His exact words were “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism. I will offer prayers for the repose of his kind and generous soul, but I will not be joining the 'National Clap'."https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtegJ5PWQAI7fnU?format=jpg&name=smallI was saying that Rev robinson-brown should not be saying that anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist. I did not read your Richard littlejohn link as it is clearly written by a loon. Are you saying the revs tweet was ok because you have found something worse?
And here we go. Right-wing piece-of-shite-on-the-anus-of-humanity Richard Littlejohn attacking black people who don't exist for planning to pull down a statue that doesn't exist either.
So davej, what was it you were saying?
But he didn’t say that, did he?
So he didn’t say “... anyone who clapped for capt tom is a white British nationalist” did he?
Currently earworming Tom Jones...
And so's its new 'sex pond' ...
You do know Marston Moretaine is in the parliamentary constituency of, er, Mid-Bedfordshire??
And so's its new 'sex pond' ...
Now, can I sell you some mind bleach?
You do know Marston Moretaine is in the parliamentary constituency of, er, Mid-Bedfordshire??
And so's its new 'sex pond' ...
Now, can I sell you some mind bleach?
It's just too good to be true... isn't it?
Estuary airport, garden bridge, sex pond... well, one out of three is better than his usual success rate.
You do know Marston Moretaine is in the parliamentary constituency of, er, Mid-Bedfordshire??
And so's its new 'sex pond' ...
Now, can I sell you some mind bleach?
It's just too good to be true... isn't it?
Estuary airport, garden bridge, sex pond... well, one out of three is better than his usual success rate.
The reason it's better than his usual success rate, is that it's not one of his successes ....
PB has it!
The professional manager with charity experience who was appointed to sort out the charity after the daughter ran it for nine months (paid £85,000 annual rate) left after only four months, after which it didn't have a chief executive.
Apparently, it spent more on admin than it gave in grants (its supposed purpose) in its first year, & the family pocketd a fair bit of that, & would have had more if the daughter hadn't been prevented by the Charity Commission from taking charge for a mere £100,000 a year.