Post by: fhills on 06 February, 2016, 02:53:24 pm
I need to reinstall some stuff on a refurbed Etrex and can now no longer find it on the web page.
The old file was great for on the bike and wandering round town.
Post by: Feanor on 06 February, 2016, 06:06:26 pm
http://www.garminfree.com/free_poi.html
Post by: fhills on 06 February, 2016, 09:40:45 pm
I had found it but was hoping for something straight from the spoon's mouth as I am assuming that that won't be totally up to date.
Thanks anyway, all the best.
Post by: fhills on 13 February, 2016, 07:11:16 pm
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I have spoken to our marketing team who have confirmed we no longer provide Sat Nav information on our website as all the information including maps are included in the Wetherspoon app.
Sod it. A garmin on a bike is far better for this sort of thing.
Post by: Oaky on 14 February, 2016, 12:18:30 am
Post by: Ben T on 14 February, 2016, 10:50:31 am
Straight from the horse's mouth
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I have spoken to our marketing team who have confirmed we no longer provide Sat Nav information on our website as all the information including maps are included in the Wetherspoon app.
Sod it. A garmin on a bike is far better for this sort of thing.
surely an android app isn't so encrypted you couldn't hack the lat longs out, i'm sure feanor with his l33t GPS skillz could do it ;)
Post by: fuaran on 14 February, 2016, 11:14:16 am
If your local one is missing, you could add it. You could go on a surveying pub crawl...
Make sure you add the tag operator=J D Wetherspoon
Post by: Ben T on 14 February, 2016, 12:25:59 pm
{"location":{"lng":0,"lat":0},"paging":{"numberPerPage":1000,"page":1,"UsePagination":true},"term":null,"searchType":0,"searchAddress":false}
to
https://api.jdwetherspoon.com/api/pubs
it produces
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55634526/arc-response-2016%20Feb%2014%2012-24-45.json
which can be converted into
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55634526/Wetherspoons.gpx
:)
Post by: fhills on 14 February, 2016, 03:58:41 pm
I wonder how many Wetherspoons are mapped in OpenStreetMap. Probably most of them, but I suspect they may not be consistently tagged as such.
Yes I am pretty sure they are all there - but under the Pub name.
Post by: fhills on 14 February, 2016, 04:03:21 pm
Impressed - very.
That is the latest live list I assume?
Anyone put it into a Garmin (I can't at the mo) to check if it works?
[Spoons, despite some folks' snobberies about them, are of course the cyclists friend - guaranteed good beer at good prices, cheap nosh (as long as you don't expect restaurant food - tho the steaks are good) and informal -often good for recharging stuff. I know one or two campers who were also wont to take advantage (in the nicest way) of their sachet/condiment packs etc though a while ago they went to full size bottles so they would have to contemplate blatant and rather sad theft]
Post by: hbunnet on 14 February, 2016, 04:07:41 pm
If your local one is missing, you could add it. You could go on a surveying pub crawl...
Make sure you add the tag operator=J D Wetherspoon
Peterhead Added
Post by: yoav on 14 February, 2016, 05:27:49 pm
Post by: Pingu on 14 February, 2016, 05:48:33 pm
if you POST
{"location":{"lng":0,"lat":0},"paging":{"numberPerPage":1000,"page":1,"UsePagination":true},"term":null,"searchType":0,"searchAddress":false}
to
https://api.jdwetherspoon.com/api/pubs
it produces
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55634526/arc-response-2016%20Feb%2014%2012-24-45.json
which can be converted into
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55634526/Wetherspoons.gpx
:)
Works in Basecamp: http://www.pinniped.plus.com/gpx/wetherspoons_poi.gpx
Post by: Feanor on 14 February, 2016, 06:21:15 pm
Replacing the <GPX> tag with one out of a Mapsource-originated GPX works just fine.
After a bit of playing around comparing your <GPX> opening tag to a mapsource-generated one, I've narrowed it down to the fact that Mapsource insists in there being a "creator" defined.
So editing your file to add a creator works fine in mapsource ( it doesn't matter what the creator actually is ):
<gpx xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" creator="Wibble Wibble" version="1.1" xmlns="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1">
Post by: Phil W on 15 February, 2016, 06:37:50 pm
Post by: Feanor on 15 February, 2016, 06:42:11 pm
Get Data
Dump Raw JSON
Write GPX
It'll depend how much spare time I have.
Post by: fhills on 15 February, 2016, 08:03:34 pm
fhills - you forgot serving beer at 9am after a night ride 😏 Whilst I wouldn't necessarily go out f my way in order to eat at 'Spoons, there have been many times when they were very welcome.
:) you may have been better with their endless coffee refills (i am a real coffee hound but must say that it is actually pretty decent, pretty strong) ,
Will get round to trying ben t's handiwork on my etrex 20 - if it works may be back on this thread now and again begging for updates.
I actually live close to 2 of spoon's finest. In fact my spoons poi file used to nag me every time i passed my local one on the bike until i disabled its proximity siren.
Post by: fhills on 16 February, 2016, 04:22:43 pm
if you POST
{"location":{"lng":0,"lat":0},"paging":{"numberPerPage":1000,"page":1,"UsePagination":true},"term":null,"searchType":0,"searchAddress":false}
to
https://api.jdwetherspoon.com/api/pubs
it produces
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55634526/arc-response-2016%20Feb%2014%2012-24-45.json
which can be converted into
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55634526/Wetherspoons.gpx
:)
Works in Basecamp: http://www.pinniped.plus.com/gpx/wetherspoons_poi.gpx
Yes I managed to get that into Basecamp.
But when I tried BenT's file I got a report that there was a mistake in the second line.
Can some kind soul explain this? - be gentle - I'm not that techie.
Will try to get it into the Etrex 20 later - it used to appear under an "extras" menu but I can't remember how I did that - 'twas a fair while ago.
Post by: Feanor on 16 February, 2016, 06:06:07 pm
But when I tried BenT's file I got a report that there was a mistake in the second line.
Can some kind soul explain this? - be gentle - I'm not that techie.
It's what I said earlier, probably.
( Assuming Basecamp and Mapsource are complaining about the same thing. )
The second line is the <GPX> opening tag.
You need to add a 'creator' to it and it will work.
Here's one I prepared earlier:
www.lowe-family.me.uk/gpx/Wetherspoons_modified.gpx
Compare the 2 files in notepad, and you can see the tiny difference in the second line.
Post by: fuaran on 16 February, 2016, 11:17:51 pm
Will try to get it into the Etrex 20 later - it used to appear under an "extras" menu but I can't remember how I did that - 'twas a fair while ago.To make it appear on the POI menu, I think you would need to convert it to a Garmin POI file (.gpi).
You can do this using the Garmin POI Loader software. Or GPSBabel can convert from GPX to GPI. Not sure if BaseCamp can do this.
Then put the file on the Etrex, in the Garmin\POI folder.
Post by: fhills on 17 February, 2016, 05:45:05 am
Got it on to the etrex 20 under "extras" but one odd thing compared to my last use of POI loader - before, when i selected "extras" on the E20, i got a second button "wetherspoons" to click on - now i go straight to a list of the closest spoons. Any idea how to sort this? Would be handy as i also used to have 2 separate lists, with their own separate layered button, of archies campsite POIs.
Post by: Ben T on 17 February, 2016, 09:15:11 am
I'm sure can update his code to fix that. If he released it to a web page so you could grab the latest anytime you wanted, that'd be even better,I could do that fairly easily.
Post by: frankly frankie on 17 February, 2016, 09:55:16 am
before, when i selected "extras" on the E20, i got a second button "wetherspoons" to click on -
I think it depends on how the POI file is organised - I think the Garmin can only read one .gpi file but that file can contain any number of section headings (eg pubs, bike shops, funeral parlours) and these then appear when you press the L-H 'menu' button. It's a very long time since I fettled any POI, so I forget the details.
Post by: Ben T on 17 February, 2016, 10:01:16 am
here you go www.gpxeditor.co.uk/Poi/WetherspoonsI'm sure can update his code to fix that. If he released it to a web page so you could grab the latest anytime you wanted, that'd be even better,I could do that fairly easily.
Post by: fhills on 17 February, 2016, 10:57:38 am
oo ben, so I can click on that in a couple of weeks and if the mighty spoons has added any pubs to its list in the meantime they will all be on there?
Post by: Ben T on 17 February, 2016, 11:46:28 am
Post by: Phil W on 17 February, 2016, 11:56:30 am
here you go www.gpxeditor.co.uk/Poi/WetherspoonsI'm sure can update his code to fix that. If he released it to a web page so you could grab the latest anytime you wanted, that'd be even better,I could do that fairly easily.
Great, just loaded up into Basecamp.
Post by: fhills on 17 February, 2016, 06:45:49 pm
yesYou're a star. Thanks very much. I can see myself returning to that link a fair bit.
Post by: Ben T on 17 February, 2016, 08:50:23 pm
Post by: fhills on 17 February, 2016, 09:47:45 pm
https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/opening-soon
I went in a new one over Christmas - in fact one could say it was the most impressive thing in the town (a saved old building) - better not say which town.
Post by: Phil W on 17 February, 2016, 11:35:01 pm
Post by: fhills on 18 February, 2016, 05:23:49 am
Post by: frankly frankie on 18 February, 2016, 10:32:56 am
Is this some sort of hipster cult??
I've only been in one Wetherspoons and it was the most depressing place imaginable. ???
Post by: fhills on 18 February, 2016, 10:55:19 am
Not everything these days has to be ironic/knowing/cultish/in.
Described by someone who knows about beer as a permanent beer festival on the high street (and you don't have to pay to get in/stand in a dull bare room with folk who maybe appreciate/talk about beer too much.
Yes some can be depressing/cavern like and many have a certain lack of character (business model has often meant converting shops etc) and you do get a few lost souls in there - that's life.
But in an age when many places have become hipster/niche establishments (and don't tell me there aren't some painfully in/up themselves cycling cafes) for whatever demographic who wouldn't be seen dead with their neighbouring demographic (and of course next bleedin week the demographic definitions will change) some Spoons have actually become akin to the old fashioned local with a healthy mix of types. Hell you even get some hipsterish looking folks in my local one.
International beer festival coming up soon - might be something interesting from a young Italian birrificio - there was an excellent one a couple of years ago and I was able to drink it free of selfie obsessed poseurs.
cheers :)
{thanks for all your help in the past by the way}
Post by: frankly frankie on 19 February, 2016, 10:53:08 am
Yes some can be depressing/cavern like and many have a certain lack of character (business model has often meant converting shops etc) and you do get a few lost souls in there - that's life.
Yes - that's the sort of thing I had in mind. :thumbsup: Ah, I see - part of the attraction. Hm. :-\
Post by: fhills on 19 February, 2016, 07:19:38 pm
and there are more pluses than i mentioned.
cheers
Post by: fhills on 12 May, 2016, 02:39:15 pm
Post by: fhills on 19 May, 2018, 02:18:22 pm
Post by: Ben T on 19 May, 2018, 08:19:49 pm
Went in one in Ripon the other week, bit "dingy", but very nice beer, and quick served, piping hot (as I like), nice, food.
Post by: fhills on 20 May, 2018, 07:51:40 am
I checked it out after someone on another forum mentioned a new one in saint ives, near cambridge.
Your code delivers that and the new one in gorleston.
Both may prove handy for planned tours that way.
If you like strong beer, can recommend the one in colne. Very thoughtfully, bar is alway arranged with the strong ones on the left :)
Post by: AlanJD on 17 June, 2018, 10:56:56 am
here you go www.gpxeditor.co.uk/Poi/Wetherspoons
if you POST
{"location":{"lng":0,"lat":0},"paging":{"numberPerPage":1000,"page":1,"UsePagination":true},"term":null,"searchType":0,"searchAddress":false}
to
https://api.jdwetherspoon.com/api/pubs
it produces
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55634526/arc-response-2016%20Feb%2014%2012-24-45.json
which can be converted into
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55634526/Wetherspoons.gpx
:)
Please explain in a little more detail what you mean by POSTing the code to the api. I've not got to grips with the fundamentals of www.gpxeditor.co.uk and would like a clue as to how/where to start. My aim is to look at your approach (which works well for 'spoons) and use it to collect other poi data.
Similarly, what does the code behind www.gpxeditor.co.uk/Poi/Wetherspoons look like? Is it visible?
Post by: Ben T on 17 June, 2018, 12:46:12 pm
Please explain in a little more detail what you mean by POSTing the code to the api. I've not got to grips with the fundamentals of www.gpxeditor.co.uk and would like a clue as to how/where to start. My aim is to look at your approach (which works well for 'spoons) and use it to collect other poi data.
Similarly, what does the code behind www.gpxeditor.co.uk/Poi/Wetherspoons look like? Is it visible?
POST is simply an http verb, so "posting the data to the API" means sending an http request to that URL with POST as the verb and that JSON in the body. Read up on http and REST.
Whether you could replicate it for other types of poi would depend on whether other chains expose the data as to the locations of their outlets , and even if they do, each would probably be in a different format so would need at least some custom code writing for each one.
If there are any you are particularly interested in let me know and I'll build it into gpxeditor if they expose it.
Post by: fhills on 21 June, 2019, 12:41:43 pm
Just used your wonderful tool again.
Definitely still works as it included the newish one near Kings Cross/St Panc in London - though not one I am a fan of and unlikely to be visiting it on a loaded bike.
Now loaded onto the Etrex20x.
Post by: Ben T on 21 June, 2019, 12:43:15 pm
Post by: Bolt on 22 December, 2019, 09:32:03 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191222/f06cd029ce4c831d06d5ae3401fdf639.jpg)
Post by: grams on 23 December, 2019, 12:21:12 am
(In theory you could order before you arrive, but you'd need to guess a table number)
Post by: Pingu on 23 December, 2019, 12:33:08 am
Post by: Jurek on 23 December, 2019, 05:59:44 am
If you're using a smartphone, you might as well use the Wetherspoon app which has an offline map and lets you order without any pesky human interaction.
(In theory you could order before you arrive, but you'd need to guess a table number)
Indeed.
You could order a banana.
If you are that way inclined.
The staff will happily bring it to someone else's table.
Post by: bludger on 23 December, 2019, 07:32:49 am
I really want to hate wetherspoons as it's run by a psycho but it is very good for what it is. I'm particularly keen that you can sit wherever next to your bike and have things brought over without having to take your eye off it. Why are they still the only company (afaik) that is capable of this?
Post by: fhills on 23 December, 2019, 09:07:22 am
I've only just come across this thread and it inspired me to have a look at how Spoons POIs could be displayed in Oruxmaps. I did a offline waypoint search in Oruxmaps for "Wetherspoons" then hit the button that creates an overlay, nifty
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191222/f06cd029ce4c831d06d5ae3401fdf639.jpg)
:)
I have Ben T's file imported into my offline OSMandplus on my android tab. The spoons are highlighted in a separate colour - very handy as I zig zag around the country.
Post by: fhills on 23 December, 2019, 09:11:05 am
If you're using a smartphone, you might as well use the Wetherspoon app which has an offline map and lets you order without any pesky human interaction.My call for help (answered by Ben) came when they did move this to smartphones rather than allowing you to download a file. But smartphones aren't the be all and end all. I use mine minimally and wouldn't dream of putting it on my handlebars. Much prefer the Etrex20 and 20x for all sorts of reasons.
(In theory you could order before you arrive, but you'd need to guess a table number)
Post by: fhills on 23 December, 2019, 09:12:53 am
Tell you what - don't go to Wetherspoons. It's shit.Fear you have misread the thread. There's more than one. I suspect you have been in very few. And that may be a serious overstatement.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 December, 2019, 09:26:00 am
Tell you what - don't go to Wetherspoons. It's shit.
This Unit hereby endorses this product, service or sentiment, and gammon pinup Tim "Horst Würzel" Martin can take his pro-Brexit propaganda and ["Redacted after taking legal advice" – Ed.].
Post by: fhills on 23 December, 2019, 09:46:45 am
Post by: fuaran on 23 December, 2019, 08:23:36 pm
I've only just come across this thread and it inspired me to have a look at how Spoons POIs could be displayed in Oruxmaps. I did a offline waypoint search in Oruxmaps for "Wetherspoons" then hit the button that creates an overlay, niftyThat seems to be missing a few, even though they are mapped in OSM. Try searching for "Wetherspoon" instead.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191222/f06cd029ce4c831d06d5ae3401fdf639.jpg)
The company name/brand is JD Wetherspoon, so that's what should be tagged with.
Post by: Bolt on 23 December, 2019, 11:08:47 pm
That seems to be missing a few, even though they are mapped in OSM. Try searching for "Wetherspoon" instead.Thanks for that, the original overlay was indeed missing some and searching on "Wetherspoon" as you suggested fixes this. Preference in pubs aside, the offline searching of the andromap POI database in Oruxmaps to create map overlays appears to be a very useful option. The results obtained by searching say "drinking water" or "toilets" bringing in equally useful results.
The company name/brand is JD Wetherspoon, so that's what should be tagged with.
Post by: Kim on 23 December, 2019, 11:19:02 pm
Tell you what - don't go to Wetherspoons. It's shit.
This Unit hereby endorses this product, service or sentiment, and gammon pinup Tim "Horst Würzel" Martin can take his pro-Brexit propaganda and ["Redacted after taking legal advice" – Ed.].
In pub terms, sure, but nevertheless Weatherpoons is:
a) cheap
b) warm
c) has loos
d) open at morning o'clock
e) often conveniently close to a railway station
f) has a handy app
It's best thought of as a step up from the Scottish Restaurant for the weary traveller or cyclist in need of refuelling, rather than a destination in itself.
It's also:
g) a good place to put those "Bollocks to Brexit" stickers to use
Post by: grams on 23 December, 2019, 11:35:49 pm
c) has loos
Even better, it has loos that invariably involve an adventure up a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
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d) open at morning o'clock
And still serves food in the evening in the kind of small towns where everything else closes at sensible o'clock.
Post by: Bolt on 24 December, 2019, 12:03:44 am
And still serves food in the evening in the kind of small towns where everything else closes at sensible o'clock.So true! I recall one Monday a couple of years ago, early evening, in the not so small town town of Wolverhampton where I entered 4 pubs in turn with promises of food on their billboards, only to be told that their kitchens had closed early. So 4 pints later and with more luck than judgement I found myself in Spoons at 10pm with steak and chips and a pint, for under a tenner.
Post by: fhills on 24 December, 2019, 05:54:34 am
Yes, wolverhampton not as busy as one might think - got off a train a while ago around midnight for a long long night ride northwards - all deserted, seemed like a small market town.
Post by: fhills on 16 July, 2021, 04:33:43 pm
Still working - downloaded it via a chromebook to google drive and via that into my offline OSMand on an android tab.
Now to get it, via a retired windows laptop (oh the horror), onto my garmin which just the other week directed to me one in Cheshunt which is no longer there - tho from the outside it didn't look great and I was really after the overground station.
Thanks again - you are a star - who needs a smartphone?
Post by: fhills on 05 December, 2021, 01:56:47 pm
Can anyone else do the same thing or suggest how the data can be scraped from the spoons web page?
(tho stress I am not that techie)
Post by: Lightning Phil on 06 December, 2021, 04:15:17 pm
http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/Poi/Wetherspoons
Post by: fhills on 06 December, 2021, 04:45:57 pm
Just tried it, and it worked just finewell so it is - not sure what was happening before - some odd downtime or something up with my chromebook settings.
http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/Poi/Wetherspoons
Thought i was going to have to do some roundabout jiggery pokery with them all in my offline OSMand via my last download of this handy file - adding ones and subtracting them as I heard about them - then importing them back into the garmin after stripping out a load of OSMand junk. Once they are in the Garmin you can't of course edit them or the list as they are put there in some slimmed down file format using Garmins devilish POI loader thingie.
Thanks lightning.
Post by: Lightning Phil on 06 December, 2021, 04:53:28 pm
Post by: fhills on 06 December, 2021, 05:03:17 pm
If you load the gpx into Basecamp, then you can edit them there and send to your eTrex only the ones you want at that time.thanks lightning but I'd have to drag the windows laptop out of the bottom of the wardrobe to do that and struggle with its clunkiness - it's bad enough that I have to resort to it to use Garmins POI loader which won't run on a chromebook but which is needed to load special lists of POIs - don't know why they can't make that function available on a web interface so that you could use a chromebook or whatever.
"only the ones I want at a that time" lightning? - I want them all, all I tell you :)
The beauty of this downloadable file is that you just have to download it now and again - all the new ones in, all the closed ones gone.
(recently after a ride from Cambridge found myself outside a shut one in Cheshunt - fancied a swift one while I contemplated carrying on the ride to London or taking the train)
thanks again