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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #450 on: 23 January, 2011, 02:16:38 pm »
The Killer Bees are beating us!

Them: 118 @ 548,163
Us: 125 @ 506,518

They have an extra person mind. 

After a 200 yesterday, I don't feel like rowing for the rest of the week.  But now I've seen this, I might just have a go to reach my 100K.  Only have till Friday. Hmmm....

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #451 on: 23 January, 2011, 02:37:03 pm »
We're ahead of the US army (321,227) but behind the US navy (1,187,618). Mind you, judging by their team photo, they are not using standard C2 equipment.

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #452 on: 23 January, 2011, 06:14:38 pm »
Having resurrected my 10-year-old Waterrower and having used it a few times this week, I read this thread.

Notwithstanding the differences between Concept2 and Waterrower, I'm starkly aware of the gulf between what I can do compared to you fit young things. This morning, 20 minutes yielded 3.284km. I got hot, sweaty and out of breath so it must be doing me some good though.
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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #453 on: 23 January, 2011, 11:54:16 pm »
Having resurrected my 10-year-old Waterrower and having used it a few times this week, I read this thread.

Notwithstanding the differences between Concept2 and Waterrower, I'm starkly aware of the gulf between what I can do compared to you fit young things. This morning, 20 minutes yielded 3.284km. I got hot, sweaty and out of breath so it must be doing me some good though.
You're more than welcome to come round and use the Concept2!!


....and then drink beer!!!       :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Or, given that my medication almost totally precludes alcohol, perhaps a sossidge sandwich? :thumbsup:
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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #454 on: 24 January, 2011, 10:50:43 am »
Another 52 secs off my 5km time last night although it felt like I've reaped the rewards of technique improvement now and that any further significant improvements will only come from working harder.

I can now maintain a steady 2:15/500 at 20 strokes p/m, if I really focus I can do 2:15 @ 18sp/m or 2:10 @20sp/m for a bit but then it soon drifts back to where I was.

So - do I just keep on doing the same or try to maintain the same speed at a sustained lower stroke rate or try to keep the technique while raising the stroke rate a touch?

NB - the answer is not to row further!

Rather than rowing steady state, try some interval type stuff.

When I was rowing reasonably seriously Ian Shore suggested the following types of erg workout as part of a larger programme:

6 x 500m R 20  --> row as hard as you can, keeping the rate down to 20 spm for 500 m; take 1-2minutes rest, then repeat for 6 sets.

3 x 1000m R 20 --> row as hard as you can, keeping the rate down to 20 spm for 1000 m; take 3-4 minutes rest, then repeat for 3 sets.

3 x 1500m R 20 --> row as hard as you can, keeping the rate down to 20 spm for 1500 m; take 3-4 minutes rest, then repeat for 3 sets.

Same ones as above but rating 22 or 24 spm is worth trying.

1  x 500 pace + 2 
1 x 1000 at pace
1x 250 pace -2               ( Pace = 2k Ergo target)

2mins work/ 2mins rest  for 30 mins

All the above workouts are shorter than your current 5k, but will get you used to doing higher pace.  Write the times down for your intervals.  They will improve with time; each set should actually be quite similar, but you will notice a slight decline in pace towards the last one.



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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #455 on: 24 January, 2011, 07:37:33 pm »
Having watched the training video linked above, I seem to have improved my "technique" (not that I had any before) and instead of rowing at 30+ spm without much leg or back work, I just managed 5k at 22 spm in 32m 50s. I found I was far more relaxed and didn't find it such hard work, although I was marginally slower than I had been. I'm going to concentrate on getting my technique sorted out before worrying about improving my times though.

I find a physical problem in trying to take advantage of the full stroke length: my gut collides with my thighs long before my shins are vertical.
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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #456 on: 24 January, 2011, 09:17:45 pm »
I'm back! 5000m in 21:04.6.

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #457 on: 24 January, 2011, 09:22:06 pm »
The Killer Bees are beating us!

Them: 118 @ 548,163
Us: 125 @ 506,518

They have an extra person mind.  

After a 200 yesterday, I don't feel like rowing for the rest of the week.  But now I've seen this, I might just have a go to reach my 100K.  Only have till Friday. Hmmm....

Well, we're beating the KBs on average distance per member.

What, going for another 100km. That's a bit keen. Hmm, I only need to find another 38k myself and there's a week to go....

Did 2*5 this evening, then 20minutes core work, then realised a spin class was about to start so I did that as well. Best not tell simonp. It will only encourage him.

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #458 on: 24 January, 2011, 09:28:12 pm »
I'm on 84k now. I might fall over the 100k mark.

Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #459 on: 25 January, 2011, 08:58:51 pm »
10k last night and 10k tonight.  Both times I was still feeling lethargic after a bike ride on Sunday (only my second ride of the year).  I'm going to have a rest tomorrow, then probably 10k on Thursday and 10k on Saturday.  That would get me up to155k.

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #460 on: 25 January, 2011, 09:29:39 pm »
Today was a cycling day. Tomorrow 5k.

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #461 on: 26 January, 2011, 11:08:18 pm »
Having watched the training video linked above, I seem to have improved my "technique" (not that I had any before) and instead of rowing at 30+ spm without much leg or back work, I just managed 5k at 22 spm in 32m 50s. I found I was far more relaxed and didn't find it such hard work, although I was marginally slower than I had been. I'm going to concentrate on getting my technique sorted out before worrying about improving my times though.

I seem to have forgotten the emboldened bit. 5k in 29m 34.9s just now. I didn't realise I'd set off more quickly. I did try to concentrate on my technique though.
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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #462 on: 27 January, 2011, 12:28:30 am »
5000m more. 20:27.0.

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #463 on: 27 January, 2011, 09:56:49 pm »
I'm still doing quite a lot of cycling, but a daily 5k row seems more manageable than 10k every other day.

Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #464 on: 27 January, 2011, 10:17:59 pm »
I did a touch over 5k in a 30 minute row today (my third time using it). I now have a blister on my hand.

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #465 on: 27 January, 2011, 10:39:42 pm »
I did a touch over 5k in a 30 minute row today (my third time using it). I now have a blister on my hand.

You should have started with a the 5 minute row.

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #466 on: 27 January, 2011, 11:48:14 pm »
Did an extra 2k tonight in addition to the 5k to which I've recently become accustomed. Only 29k for the month from me but considering my original expectation of 2k per week, I'm happy. We're a gnat's whisker ahead of RfB, that's me done for this month so it's all down to you guys now  ;)

Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #467 on: 28 January, 2011, 09:00:56 am »
That's me done too, not doing a meter more.  Didn't get to the Killer Bees, but they certainly motivated me.  Off on hols, yippeee!!

Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #468 on: 28 January, 2011, 09:01:55 am »
No rowing for me since Tuesday - suffering from man flu :(.  Will see how I feel at the weekend, as I would like to get my total up to 150k.

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #469 on: 28 January, 2011, 08:37:43 pm »
Did an extra 2k tonight in addition to the 5k to which I've recently become accustomed. Only 29k for the month from me but considering my original expectation of 2k per week, I'm happy. We're a gnat's whisker ahead of RfB, that's me done for this month so it's all down to you guys now  ;)

At the time of writing we're 15k down on the KBs. I'll be logging 14 for my 100 and I assume ChrisS currently on 72 will be doing 3x10 over the next three days for his (isn't that right, Chris?) so it might yet go to the wire.

Not  that I'm competitive but now we're here we might as well win.

Chris S

Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #470 on: 28 January, 2011, 10:17:43 pm »
Did an extra 2k tonight in addition to the 5k to which I've recently become accustomed. Only 29k for the month from me but considering my original expectation of 2k per week, I'm happy. We're a gnat's whisker ahead of RfB, that's me done for this month so it's all down to you guys now  ;)

... I assume ChrisS currently on 72 will be doing 3x10 over the next three days for his (isn't that right, Chris?) ...

Erm. That's quite a big assumption TBH  :facepalm:

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #471 on: 29 January, 2011, 12:09:01 am »
I've added another 5k. 19:52.6.

Doing faster 5Ks doesn't kill me the next day the way 10k would at that pace.

I am tempted to try to improve my 5k pb (19:32.x). I spent much of that 5k at 1:55 and I suspect I could do a better time if I warmed up then set off at 1:56 or so. Something to try anyway.


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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #472 on: 29 January, 2011, 12:37:10 am »
Having previously been under 20:00 I've been stuck around 21:00 for quite a while. On the other hand I'm currently just jogging along and my spm is coming down which AIUI is all good.

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Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #473 on: 29 January, 2011, 01:00:35 am »
Did an extra 2k tonight in addition to the 5k to which I've recently become accustomed. Only 29k for the month from me but considering my original expectation of 2k per week, I'm happy. We're a gnat's whisker ahead of RfB, that's me done for this month so it's all down to you guys now  ;)

At the time of writing we're 15k down on the KBs. I'll be logging 14 for my 100 and I assume ChrisS currently on 72 will be doing 3x10 over the next three days for his (isn't that right, Chris?) so it might yet go to the wire.

Not  that I'm competitive but now we're here we might as well win.

I might be back soon.  Back when I used to row properly as a sport I was an erg monster so I might have some epic mileage to record if I get my arse in gear again - I did say this last year too but hope to get going again in the next few months.

Chris S

Re: Cross Training: Rowing
« Reply #474 on: 29 January, 2011, 05:49:06 pm »
Ah, Rowing heaven.

A steady 10k, watching Mark Knopfler - A Life in Songs, recorded on the MythTV Box last night. An hour flew by.