I have signed up for an account and filled in details but it says my profile is only 90% complete and won't let me do anything else - anyone else have this problem? Any solutions?
Same here I believe and certainly adding the club immediately found my results, inc. the valuable 1000k. Results previous to joining that club are under 'Audax UK' and had to be found by manual entering the ACP Validation (Homologation) Number from an event. Doing so once then pulled in all remaining results; nice.I have signed up for an account and filled in details but it says my profile is only 90% complete and won't let me do anything else - anyone else have this problem? Any solutions?I think that it said 90% complete for me before I selected my club.
The headscratcher for me was being asked for 'Entry Number' to start payment. I had no idea (maybe I'd missed it but don't think so) so used the back button (website not browser) and promptly got dumped at the start... Bugger!!! Started again and immediately taken to a screen with the Entry Number (PBP-1017) and option to pay... Phew!!! Paid OK (no other option than via PayPal it seems) and job's a good'un :thumbsup:
I see they've apparently added a further 100 places per time slot to the original 200. There are now places at 1800 again, 26 left, with 40-odd at 1815 and loads at the other times.
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I see they've apparently added a further 100 places per time slot to the original 200. There are now places at 1800 again, 26 left, with 40-odd at 1815 and loads at the other times.
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I see they've apparently added a further 100 places per time slot to the original 200. There are now places at 1800 again, 26 left, with 40-odd at 1815 and loads at the other times.
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Also 'upgraded' to a 1800 start. 20 places left at 1030. Thx for the heads-up Smeth :thumbsup:
The headscratcher for me was being asked for 'Entry Number' to start payment. I had no idea (maybe I'd missed it but don't think so) so used the back button (website not browser) and promptly got dumped at the start... Bugger!!! Started again and immediately taken to a screen with the Entry Number (PBP-1017) and option to pay... Phew!!! Paid OK (no other option than via PayPal it seems) and job's a good'un :thumbsup:
I found the same, you're asked to confirm the Entry Number you're paying for without being told the number itself.
At this point it's safe to select the back / home icon on the PBP website and go to the Registrations section again. The pre-registration you just created will be waiting there.
I'm in for an 18.15 start. :thumbsup: Looking forward to the BRM SR series now.
Fuck, that was Hard Work. That has to be the most horrible website I've ever used!
It took 4 attempts to get My Account details to save. It kept blanking them out when I clicked Save!
This meant my profile was stuck at 10% complete and I couldnt proceed.
It changed languages between English and French pretty much randomly.
The payment page didnt populate the entry ID number, and it took some to-ing and fro-ing to get that to work.
What's the payment screen like?
And is it obvious which payment system they are using?
Asking for technical reasons (i.e. I've got some Euros on a currency card that cost me less than the current exchange rate)
I have created an account without any issues and await the 11 Feb when pre-registration opens for 400's. Im pretty ambivalent about start times (slight preference for one of the later 90 hr groups but will take what I'm given).
Oddly if I try to register, the longest BRM form is pre-filled with the number 103167, which is someone else's 600 (I only have a 400).
The headscratcher for me was being asked for 'Entry Number' to start payment. I had no idea (maybe I'd missed it but don't think so) so used the back button (website not browser) and promptly got dumped at the start... Bugger!!! Started again and immediately taken to a screen with the Entry Number (PBP-1017) and option to pay... Phew!!! Paid OK (no other option than via PayPal it seems) and job's a good'un :thumbsup:
I found the same, you're asked to confirm the Entry Number you're paying for without being told the number itself.
At this point it's safe to select the back / home icon on the PBP website and go to the Registrations section again. The pre-registration you just created will be waiting there.
I'm in for an 18.15 start. :thumbsup: Looking forward to the BRM SR series now.
Same thing happened with mine, click back and the reg no was there with a "paying" button.
(NB the reg no isn't the same for everybody so don't copy the one above!)
It's a test, really, to weed out those who don't stick at it - if you can't fathom your way round an idiosyncratic French website they don't want you in ;)
What's the payment screen like?
And is it obvious which payment system they are using?
Asking for technical reasons (i.e. I've got some Euros on a currency card that cost me less than the current exchange rate)
Paypal.
Here's are the numbers for the deposit:
From amount £28.23 GBP
To amount €30.00 EUR
Exchange rate: 1 GBP = 1.06287 EUR
Oddly if I try to register, the longest BRM form is pre-filled with the number 103167, which is someone else's 600 (I only have a 400).
What year is that 600?
When I registered with my 600 it came up with a choice of two with the same number, nut the other one was 2015 and for what looked like a Finish audax.
Apologies for the stupid question but where on the registration form does it ask for details of your 1000? My form is also pre-popped with someone else's 1000?If i remember correctly the previous page to this should have an ACP event/rider homologation number box. You need to put your 1000's number in there. If you don't it looks like the site uses the last one it saw...
With all the 1000s presumably now entered there's still 4,700 places left. Its all gonna be fine!Well a day later, as at Wednesday 1100 (non-specials):
Date Time limit Places restantes
18/08 80h00 1074
18/08 90h00 2926
19/08 84h00 738
Do I gather correctly from what I read above that it's possible to change your start time after you pre-register?
Do I gather correctly from what I read above that it's possible to change your start time after you pre-register?The number of places left in each start slot are shown in a drop down menu of all the start times (for that start 80/90/84) so the two of you can agree in advance which start to go for. For example I've selected 1900 Sunday and it shows 201 places left for that hour (of the 320 it was to start with). I'm hoping a fellow 'Wednesdays pub ride' (and Easter Arrow) drinker (who only has a 600 BRM last year) will be able to select 1900, provided he gets on promptly at 2300 on 28 Jan.
I'm asking as two of us wish to have the same start time, so if limited availability means we end up choosing different times when we pre-register next week (with the 600's), we would look to change one or both to bring them in line.
All this talk of being clever by logging on at 2300 assumes that the server actually is in France or that the French understand UTC and that it ticks over automatically. :P it might well be driven by some remote data center's time zone, or it might be that it's switched on when some bloke is good and ready and feels like switching it on. :)If you want to think that getting on promptly at 2300 is "being clever" firstly note that over 400 preregistered in the first hour of 14 Jan (and I think there will be even more worldwide urgency on display on the 28th and a fortnight later), and that an early post upthread suggests @GPS had preregistered by half past eleven. I also surmise that you had a priority (patrician AudaxUK member for 22 months) place on LEL and did not have the fun experience of gaining an entry under server access pressure at one of the three designated times for plebians two years ago.
Looks like it's crashed under the strain. I managed to get my pre-registration in, but now can't check it ...
*mutters* special needs will be fine, special needs will be fine, special needs will be fine...
All this talk of being clever by logging on at 2300 assumes that the server actually is in France or that the French understand UTC and that it ticks over automatically. :P it might well be driven by some remote data center's time zone, or it might be that it's switched on when some bloke is good and ready and feels like switching it on. :)
<snip> or it might be that it's switched on when some bloke is good and ready and feels like switching it on. :)
I think it's this: the friend who at the pop up issue, had logged in a minute early and was trying to book place #4 in the 18:00 group (the drop down said 197 places left).320 places per start time in the 90hr window. So place #124!
If you want to think that getting on promptly at 2300 is "being clever" firstly note that over 400 preregistered in the first hour of 14 Jan (and I think there will be even more worldwide urgency on display on the 28th and a fortnight later), and that an early post upthread suggests @GPS had preregistered by half past eleven. I also surmise that you had a priority (patrician AudaxUK member for 22 months) place on LEL and did not have the fun experience of gaining an entry under server access pressure at one of the three designated times for plebians two years ago.
http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=accueil&page=dernieres_nouvellesLooks like it's crashed under the strain. I managed to get my pre-registration in, but now can't check it ...
^ Yes I also had a choice of my 600 or one with the same number from 2015 which looks like a Californian audax.
ACP doing their bit for recycling I guess.
With all the 1000s presumably now entered there's still 4,700 places left. Its all gonna be fine!
Date Time limit Places restantes
18/08 80h00 1074
18/08 90h00 2926
19/08 84h00 738
Wow... I’d assumed 1000 km was a minority pursuit compared to the other distances.
ACP stats:
2018 homologations
1000km 2431
600km 10569
400km 13067
300km 20333
2000km 60599
Well, it is indeed still a minority pursuit....
I'm glad to start next week with late shift
ACP stats:
2018 homologations
1000km 2431
600km 10569
400km 13067
300km 20333
2000km 60599
ACP stats:
2018 homologations
1000km 2431
600km 10569
400km 13067
300km 20333
200km 60599
Well allowing for the 1200 rides in 2018 and riders who did more than one 1000 the vast majority of riders who did a 1000 brevet have gone on to pre-register already and if the take up from 600 brevet riders is less than half then there will be nothing left for anyone else? :'(
It'd be interesting to compare those stats to previous years (especially 2014, 2010, etc).
Year | 200 | 300 | 400 | 600 | 1000 |
2010 | 24189 | 8854 | 6272 | 4710 | 1147 |
2014 | 40005 | 12987 | 7528 | 5570 | 1531 |
2018 | 60599 | 20333 | 13067 | 10569 | 2431 |
Have they said anything about how they’re going to handle attrition of riders who register now but don’t qualify / enter? Presumably there’s going to be a load of places freed up?
(I have excluded specials from these figures and expect ACP will be keen to include all specials who wish to ride; less than 300 starters in 2011 and 2015.)
I'm not riding PBP this time, but this thread is making me realise I should probably try to get a 1000+ in 2022 to make sure I've got the best chance in 2023...
Should perhaps try to persuade Ivo to make sure we've got a nice flat 1000+ in .nl in 2022...
J
I'm not riding PBP this time, but this thread is making me realise I should probably try to get a 1000+ in 2022 to make sure I've got the best chance in 2023...
Should perhaps try to persuade Ivo to make sure we've got a nice flat 1000+ in .nl in 2022...
J
Or proposa plan to organise one.
Or you could buy a recumbent and register as a special ;D At least, it was my impression that there's no limit on those (at the moment)?I recorded 6500m if climbing in the middle 500km (roubaix to vise) and after the second sleep stop it was headwinds almost all the way back.
Julia: Borders of Belgium is flat(tish), I recorded 5727 metres climbing in 451km for the Ardennes section, the rest is easy going. Besides, the way you're going you'll laugh at a hilly ride in 2022 :)
Or you could buy a recumbent and register as a special ;D At least, it was my impression that there's no limit on those (at the moment)?I recorded 6500m if climbing in the middle 500km (roubaix to vise) and after the second sleep stop it was headwinds almost all the way back.
Julia: Borders of Belgium is flat(tish), I recorded 5727 metres climbing in 451km for the Ardennes section, the rest is easy going. Besides, the way you're going you'll laugh at a hilly ride in 2022 :)
I have got an extra 50km for my extra 800m so the difference in equivalent length may be quite small.Or you could buy a recumbent and register as a special ;D At least, it was my impression that there's no limit on those (at the moment)?I recorded 6500m if climbing in the middle 500km (roubaix to vise) and after the second sleep stop it was headwinds almost all the way back.
Julia: Borders of Belgium is flat(tish), I recorded 5727 metres climbing in 451km for the Ardennes section, the rest is easy going. Besides, the way you're going you'll laugh at a hilly ride in 2022 :)
My guess, one of you is using a Wahoo, and one is using a Garmin?
J
You can already create an account, and add your AudaxUK affiliation. That will populate your "results" page. May be wise to write down the homologation number of your 600km ride in 2018 so you can blitz through the registration.This would be my exact advice together with a Paypal account ready to be accessed for payment.
If it's midnight *French time* then it will be 11pm uk.Can confirm for the 1000+'s it was 2300 GMT. (UST for fellow pedants)
Just trying to set up my account so I can register tonight. I'm not a member of any cycling club but there is no option to select that? Any ideas? Can I still register tonight without that?Are you an AUK? Choose Audax UK.
Crazy there is no option for independent?I think club is optional. I just deleted mine, saved, logged out and in, then re-entered club. The rules say open to members of the various french organisations and ALL international riders.
Well I've managed to put my registration in but not sure if it's managed to pay properly as it still says "to be paid"
Well I've managed to put my registration in but not sure if it's managed to pay properly as it still says "to be paid"
Mine does too...
Well I've managed to put my registration in but not sure if it's managed to pay properly as it still says "to be paid"
Mine does too...
Give it a couple of mins and it will stop saying that
Paid and in 1900 group. Got a paypal receipt so they have my money now...
Well, that was all rather easier than previous years!I wander wye?
What's the "entry number" it's asking for on the page after I selected my time ?
I'm stuck !
What's the "entry number" it's asking for on the page after I selected my time ?
I'm stuck !
I'm in too - after a bit of to-ing and fro-ing.
And breathe!
7pm start, I hope.
800 places gone in first 15 minutes! Glad I did the 600.
What's the "entry number" it's asking for on the page after I selected my time ?
I'm stuck !
What's the "entry number" it's asking for on the page after I selected my time ?
I'm stuck !
Yeah, did that to me too - just go back and try again, it seems to work.
... 18.00 start, along with another six riders who all leapt on that one available place ...
... 18.00 start, along with another six riders who all leapt on that one available place ...
I picked 18:00, and then got a 500 error. By the time I was back on the form the dropdown said the 18:00 slot had -3 (negative 3) places. Zut alors!
18:45 for me.
Not changed in the last 3 refreshes.What was the URL for this?
18/08 80h00 883
18/08 90h00 2001
19/08 84h00 567
I picked 18:00, and then got a 500 error. By the time I was back on the form the dropdown said the 18:00 slot had -3 (negative 3) places. Zut alors!
18:45 for me.
18:45 for me too. Good to see another Cambridge rider in that slot Alex B! I didn't see any 1800 places available by the time my browser loaded...
Should we get "Cambridge Audax" jerseys made?
This Cambridge rider is 1845 as well. Should we get "Cambridge Audax" jerseys made?
This Cambridge rider is 1845 as well. Should we get "Cambridge Audax" jerseys made?
Thinking about it ;)
Our Soigneur Merino ACME jerseys have been much admired ...
Given all this early commitment it will be interesting to see how many pre-reger’s successfully qualify . . .I guess that the 3700+ riders who've made the effort to ride at least a 600 last year and taken the trouble to pre-register will, real life allowing, have little difficulty completing an SR (and thus qualify) in the coming months. In the same way that we have seen extraordinary numbers completing a 1000+ and/or a 600 this time round, I suspect that the fall-out rate (those that pre-register and then don't qualify and register) will be at an 'all time' low.
Still 2500+ places remain.
If it's really 5 per minute as said upthread, they could go in 6-7 hours.
Seeing spaces getting thinner by the minute I can imagine people binning off plans of PBP for something else (maybe the 24hr, the TransCon or a Holiday) so not riding qualifiers and not being able to enter when spaces do actually become available.
About 1000 entrants in the first 15 minutes.Sames. I haven't even tried to put my pilot in yet.
I'm signed up as a 90hr tandem (Group H, 17:45) but my stoker is unable to enter yet because it keeps asking for his 2018 BRM number, which he doesn't have. I believe that he should be using my PBP entry number to enter (as the other half of the tandem), so perhaps his entry will have to wait for a few weeks. PBP 'knows' that the second half of the tandem is still to enter, so will have kept aside that entry.
Top of PBP website http://www.paris-brest-paris.org (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org)Not changed in the last 3 refreshes.What was the URL for this?
18/08 80h00 883
18/08 90h00 2001
19/08 84h00 567
Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.Longest BRM in 2018 just determines how early you can pre register. If you have no BRM in 2018 you will be able to register at a later date if places left. Seems unlikely places will be left though apart from those freed up by those who fail to complete a BRM SR within the stated calendar dates in 2019.
Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!
Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.
Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!
Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.
Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!
Mine was definitely a pre-qualifier for PBP. I believe it aligns to the ACP season and the AUK website says "ride a BRM before 31 October". This is confirmed having made an account on the PBP website and after entering my event number it says I need to wait until 11 March to pre-register.
Anyways... this is a disaster.
Anyways... this is a disaster.
Can someone post a TLDR summary of what is going on? I have just flicked through this thread for the first time having dedicated the last few months to dedicating the next several months of my life to Audax and PBP. I completed the Lancashire Lights 200 BRM in October which was my longest ride. Are we saying that there is a good chance I won't get a space for PBP???Bottom Line Up Front (BLUF): Have a great spring riding an SR (200, 300, 400, 600, all BRM(PBP)) and keep 20 Jun (2300 BST on 19 Jun) free to be online.
Anyways... this is a disaster.
Not entirely. There are many stories in AUKs history of riders taking the sport up, doing an SR and then doing PBP in the same year. The problem is that, globally, long distance riding has become very popular and we're now seeing the effects.
I still suspect there will be free spots come July as real life takes over. You might as well ride an SR series anyway and then see what happens.
Anyways... this is a disaster.Disasters are events that cost lives. But I sympathise with your disappointment.
On 11 Feb (10 Feb @ 2300 GMT) pre-registration will open for those who'd ridden a 400 BRM in 2018 (Nov-endOct year).
This pre-registration will consume the remaining places (so if you only have a 400, 'time is of the essence'), with many riders who would prefer a 90 hour start time being 'forced' into selecting a 80 or 84 hour time limit ride.
6500 places.
2000 went to riders who had done a 1000km or more ride last year.
Another 2000 have already gone to the 600km riders.
So only 2500 left.
In two weeks time the 400km riders will join the scramble for places.
If I had only done a 300km I would be sweating bucketloads.
If I only had a 200 to my name I'd be preparing for LEL in2021.
The entry situation in 2015 was actually marginal. If they had kept to their announced rider limit, a few folk would have been turned away but they boosted the limit.
There were country quotas for entering PBP11, based on the number of BRMs ridden in each country in 2010. In actuality, some countries with huge quotas didn't fill them (PBP11 was about the same size as PBP07) and PBP reallocated quotas to allow every entrant to ride.
This PBP was always going to be tight to enter, though I didn't think it would be quite this tight.
It is now becoming a 2 year investment, although I do ride at least a 600 most years so not a huge issue. As said above, it just depends how much you want it.
Riders not able to thus pre-register will have to wait till 20 Jun to register. Because on 20 Jun any of those who have pre-registered but not subsequently (25 May - 19 Jun) registered will 'lose' that precedence and their places (and start time slots) will be up for grabs. Difficult to say how many places that will 'throw up'.
PBP site (version in English): http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=inscription&page=comment_sinscrire
"You will have to convert your preregistration to a final registration before 20 June 2019 at midnight (French time) to preserve your preregistration."
Registration, by whatever route, must be complete with all 4 (200, 300, 400, 600) BRM homolgation numbers provided (et cetera)
by 3 Jul.
Should I have received an email confirming the entry?Should have come from:
I noticed that some others have mentioned this and an attached pdf with some details
Not received anything yet, just wondering if it takes a while to come through
Diesel.Thanks. Looks like I may have an issue. No payment info displayed. But I paid with the right ref number and have the PayPal confirmation email from that! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190128/2cb9edd99acc8740ae743331a7af4ddd.jpg)
Go to pre-registration page. It will say "Entry PBP 2xxx". Click "Change".
That page has name, address etc. Click "Confirm".
Then it shows bike type and start time. At bottom of that page it has payment and pre-registration times and date.
The confirmation email has no more information and does not have any payment info.
HTH
Still 2500+ places remain.
If it's really 5 per minute as said upthread, they could go in 6-7 hours.
Think you're right Marcus, but (to help with quantity (as opposed to an 'inequality')) Simon said 2500+ places left at 11:21. From the ticker, at 11:29 there were 2697 places left, so 200 have pre-registered in the last 7 hours.Still 2500+ places remain.We're now over the 6-7 hours since then and there are (as of a minute ago) 2499 places left.
If it's really 5 per minute as said upthread, they could go in 6-7 hours.
I suspect things are going to slow dramatically from here on.
You could wait for them to manually match the payment to the entry or you could contact them.Thanks I'll try and cont at them. Yes I clicked the return to merchant.
Did you click on the "Return to Merchant" button in PayPal?
I think you selectively quoted me there. There's an earlier post where I recommended doing your SR anyway as there's a likelihood you'll still get in.
To confirm the payment PayPal contacts the PBP servers via another back channel outside of your browser session. It is not unknown for this back channel to not always work (think auk web) or to take several hours or days. Under PayPal guidelines it says up to four days. LEL 17 I saw a few rare cases where payments converted from pending to paid after a couple of days, with no intervention our end. But contacting the PBP team won't do any harm.
Are we at a PBP crossroads?
To confirm the payment PayPal contacts the PBP servers via another back channel outside of your browser session. It is not unknown for this back channel to not always work (think auk web) or to take several hours or days. Under PayPal guidelines it says up to four days. LEL 17 I saw a few rare cases where payments converted from pending to paid after a couple of days, with no intervention our end. But contacting the PBP team won't do any harm.
It sounds like this system is rife for failure in the event of overload. Take for instance glastonbury. They have had to invest (outsource) massively in their back end in order to cope with excess demand--of which to this day is still dramatically unable to cope and fails, unfairly, to equitably distribute tickets. I think once we get to the round where demand outstrips supply the faults will be exposed and there will be a lot of those who will feel "first come first served" was not delivered.
On pure capacity, they should have easily been able to foresee this given the data they have on worldwide participation growth. They have chosen to do nothing. Not good from a marketing perspective. If London to Brighton can handle 10,000(?) cyclists over 100km every year, I struggle to understand how one side of France can't handle the same every four years. They should adapt to the demand or risk appearing exclusive.
Or we could argue long-time, dedicated audaxers should have a place to celebrate their skills. On that basis then they should do away with the lower pre-qualifiers distances and general admission. Are we at a PBP crossroads?
Off topic perhaps.
Top tips especially for 300km ridersthanks for posting this John.
Create your account now. https://inscription.paris-brest-paris.org/ (https://inscription.paris-brest-paris.org/)
You can search for your BRMs
Make sure you know the BRM number
The site allows you to pre-register at 11pm GMT. So be logged on before 11. Enter your BRM number. Press enter as the clock strikes 11.
The registration is easy except for the when you get to Payment of activity.There is a blank window asking for entry number. You have no idea what this is, look for the word back next to the Home icon and click back (left hand side middle of page)
Your entry number which will look something like PBP3895 will now appear and you can pay your 30 euros. Apparently using back or logging back in again will do the same.
All the early start times will be full for each time limit so be flexible. You may find a slot becomes free during registration due to a rider dropping out.
Good Luck
. . . glastonbury. They have had to invest (outsource) massively in their back end in order to cope with excess demand--of which to this day is still dramatically unable to cope and fails, unfairly, to equitably distribute tickets. I think once we get to the round where demand outstrips supply the faults will be exposed and there will be a lot of those who will feel "first come first served" was not delivered.Mark - I feel your dislocation-of-expectation pain but think you're being over-critical.
On pure capacity, they should have easily been able to foresee this given the data they have on worldwide participation growth. They have chosen to do nothing. Not good from a marketing perspective. If London to Brighton can handle 10,000(?) cyclists over 100km every year, I struggle to understand how one side of France can't handle the same every four years. They should adapt to the demand or risk appearing exclusive.
Or we could argue long-time, dedicated audaxers should have a place to celebrate their skills. On that basis then they should do away with the lower pre-qualifiers distances and general admission. Are we at a PBP crossroads?
If it's a scramble this year, then 2023 could an even bigger increase in the take up of 1000km rides. Goodness me!
In this edition, the only non-prequalified PBP entrants will be on tandems, teamed with prequalified riders. MySames. I blimmin hope so anyways, otherwise, LW&B, we may need to renew our partnership, and I'll have to learn properly which foot goes forward... We could do it on a tandem with decent brakes and robust wheels, even :Dstokerpilot will be one of them.
Does anyone know the protocols or policies for riders who want to change time?
Does anyone know the protocols or policies for riders who want to change time? 400-300 riders who do manage to register will, in many cases, need to enter 80 or 84 hours, could this be changed when 90 hour slots become available for riders not completing an SR in time? My max last year was 400, and would hope to get a 90 hour slot, but if not would take an 80, but don’t think I would finish in time on an 80 limit, would still enjoy the experience though. Last PBP was 07 and that was in 86 hours, could have knocked a few hours off but that was 12 years ago! Is it ok to enter the 80 knowing you will be out of time?
In this edition, the only non-prequalified PBP entrants will be on tandems, teamed with prequalified riders. MySames. I blimmin hope so anyways, otherwise, LW&B, we may need to renew our partnership, and I'll have to learn properly which foot goes forward... We could do it on a tandem with decent brakes and robust wheels, even :Dstokerpilot will be one of them.
For about two days (my experience 14-16 Jan)) after pre-registering you can go in and amend start times and such. That's why there's a bit of bobbing around with spaces on the earlier starts: riders who want to change. Then ACP lock it and you get an e-mail (or two) and if you login to your PBP account it will show that; and the 'modify' button is not there. As @Phil W has said in the 'Start Times' thread, it tells you "You will be able to choose another departure, within the limits of available places, when you register".Does anyone know the protocols or policies for riders who want to change time? 400-300 riders who do manage to register will, in many cases, need to enter 80 or 84 hours, could this be changed when 90 hour slots become available for riders not completing an SR in time? My max last year was 400, and would hope to get a 90 hour slot, but if not would take an 80, but don’t think I would finish in time on an 80 limit, would still enjoy the experience though. Last PBP was 07 and that was in 86 hours, could have knocked a few hours off but that was 12 years ago! Is it ok to enter the 80 knowing you will be out of time?
I had the same thought last night ie Id give 84 hours a go if 90 hrs wasn't available but would prefer not to (on the basis that my only source of the extra time would be sleep rather than speed - I could always go radical and actually train :hand:). Getting to the start for 5am would also be problematic for me as I'm starting from central Paris and would prefer to use public transport and the last train from Montparnasse appears to be just after 2300 and ditto the RER to Dourdan some 20km from the start.
Others I'm sure will know better but I'd understood that before the final allocations there was a degree of arm twisting went on i.e. folk who had previously ridden sub 84 or sub 80 who had entered the 90 / 84 hour group were offered a chance to "upgrade". Purely anecdotal mind.
I also did Yorkshire Grit and my club hasn't changed anytime recently. It's on my results page automatically.
I also did Yorkshire Grit and my club hasn't changed anytime recently. It's on my results page automatically.me too.
I had the same thought last night ie Id give 84 hours a go if 90 hrs wasn't available but would prefer not to (on the basis that my only source of the extra time would be sleep rather than speed - I could always go radical and actually train :hand:). Getting to the start for 5am would also be problematic for me as I'm starting from central Paris and would prefer to use public transport and the last train from Montparnasse appears to be just after 2300 and ditto the RER to Dourdan some 20km from the start.
Others I'm sure will know better but I'd understood that before the final allocations there was a degree of arm twisting went on i.e. folk who had previously ridden sub 84 or sub 80 who had entered the 90 / 84 hour group were offered a chance to "upgrade". Purely anecdotal mind.
2221 places left as at 0900 today UK time.RumoursPredictions of it being sold out by now have been somewhat overstated.
Date Time limit Available places
18/08 80h00 617
18/08 90h00 1205
19/08 84h00 399
I'd estimate that c 1900 places will be left by 11th Feb when 400s can register and that there will still be well over 1000 places left when riders with 300s can register.
I'd not be surprised if there were still places left for riders with a 200.
True, but I'd have thought there were more people who had 400 as their longest 2018 BRM than had 600. In the same way that there were more who had 600 than 1200/1000. Do you think that's not the case then?Many 400s are ridden by folks doing an SR series that has to include a 600. Ditto most of the 1000s will have ridden an SR. Many will have ridden more than one 600/400. It's all speculation. So you're probably right but it may not be as bad as apparent. Also those with successively shorter rides last year are less likely to enter a 1200. My cup is 50.000001% full! But then I'm in
People who didn’t achieve a 600 will be less interested in attempting PBP, which balances out them being far greater in number.
People who didn’t achieve a 600 will be less interested in attempting PBP, which balances out them being far greater in number.
Not necessarily. They may not have entered a 600 last year , may have been sick for their 600, may be just working up the distances, thought a 400 would suffice for PBP having noted the opinion given out by the PBP organizers over a year ago.
Many 400s are ridden by folks doing an SR series that has to include a 600. Ditto most of the 1000s will have ridden an SR. Many will have ridden more than one 600/400. It's all speculation. So you're probably right but it may not be as bad as apparent. Also those with successively shorter rides last year are less likely to enter a 1200. My cup is 50.000001% full! But then I'm in
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Many 400s are ridden by folks doing an SR series that has to include a 600. Ditto most of the 1000s will have ridden an SR. Many will have ridden more than one 600/400. It's all speculation. So you're probably right but it may not be as bad as apparent. Also those with successively shorter rides last year are less likely to enter a 1200. My cup is 50.000001% full! But then I'm in
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Ah, OK. I guess there are two kinds of prospective entrant then. What you might call the old guard, who do the majority of their long distance rides as audaxes and ride an SR every year, and what you might call the newcomers, like myself, who generally do other kinds of long distance riding but included a BRM or two in their calendar last year just for PBP pre-registration. I suppose I was imagining there were more like me, but perhaps my kind are only a small percentage.
Many 400s are ridden by folks doing an SR series that has to include a 600. Ditto most of the 1000s will have ridden an SR. Many will have ridden more than one 600/400. It's all speculation. So you're probably right but it may not be as bad as apparent. Also those with successively shorter rides last year are less likely to enter a 1200. My cup is 50.000001% full! But then I'm in
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Ah, OK. I guess there are two kinds of prospective entrant then. What you might call the old guard, who do the majority of their long distance rides as audaxes and ride an SR every year, and what you might call the newcomers, like myself, who generally do other kinds of long distance riding but included a BRM or two in their calendar last year just for PBP pre-registration. I suppose I was imagining there were more like me, but perhaps my kind are only a small percentage.
I’ve been reading this thread with interest . I’ve successfully completed PBP in 2007 in the 80HR wave , and the 90HR in 2015.
I’d never completed a pre-qualifying in previous PBP years , but something about the wave of riders from sportives who were looking for bigger challlenges made me ride one late last year .
I know there’s a lot of conjecture on here , so I thought I’d pick your brains . My thought process for only riding a 200k was I never predicted that 6500 riders would be so organised - looks like this is not the case !
So my question is ; What is the probability on me being able to pre-register for the 80HR wave ?
ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, ...
ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, ...
Not to their compatriots?
I expect the special bikes for special folk start times will be the last to fill, specifically the 84hr VS start.Yeah, so it might be as good a reason as any to get a 'special' bike :)
ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, ...
Not to their compatriots?
Date Time limit Available places
18/08 80h00 617
18/08 90h00 1205
19/08 84h00 399
It's not that simple. There is a worldwide network of Audax-Randonee associations. All of them promote rides to the ACP formula. Paris-Brest Paris is essentially their Olympics, and PBP is the pinnacle of their sport. All the Brevets around the world are run by volunteers, they can't be commercial.
PBP itself is run by volunteers, with input from professional caterers. Those volunteers are mainly local. Participants pay for food on the way round, unlike LEL, where you've paid for the food beforehand.
The result is that if there are a lot of people dropping out along the way, there's a lot of unsold food and wastage. The same is true of LEL, but food's already been paid for, so it's a problem of waste, not of finance.
The qualification is to try to ensure that riders don't drop out. More people are capable of qualifying than there are places. So far PBP hasn't ever sold out, but the pre-qualification system seems the fairest way of dealing with that possibility, and prefers those riders around the world, who participate in ACP-sanctioned events.
ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, and they are growing fastest in Asia. I think they've got the formula right. It does make it more difficult than before for someone who has picked up on PBP from articles in magazines and online, and isn't working their way through the Audax system.
The system ensures that someone in Thailand, Alaska or New Zealand knows they have a place before they start their qualifiers, and can book tickets in advance. It's not designed for someone in the UK who fancies giving PBP a go, and doesn't need to plan very far ahead.
I'm just pointing out that there are three types of rider, rather than two. The 'Old Guard' who are Audaxers who've often done PBP already. A group who are attracted by PBP from outside Audax, and Audax riders around the world who are establishing their own tradition.
Thailand has the largest number of BRMs in the world, and that's pretty recent. They benefit from the certainty of pre-qualification.
I'm just pointing out that there are three types of rider, rather than two. The 'Old Guard' who are Audaxers who've often done PBP already. A group who are attracted by PBP from outside Audax, and Audax riders around the world who are establishing their own tradition.
Thailand has the largest number of BRMs in the world, and that's pretty recent. They benefit from the certainty of pre-qualification.
Funny how you can be called the old guard in less than four years.
The entry process can be seen as complex, but it has to accommodate the relationships between the different national groups. The historic balance was 2,500 French, then 350 to 500 or so each from USA, Germany and UK, then cascading numbers from other nationalities. That balance is changing.
This site shows that in detail.
http://shprung.com/pbp/?mode=country
The entry process can be seen as complex, but it has to accommodate the relationships between the different national groups. The historic balance was 2,500 French, then 350 to 500 or so each from USA, Germany and UK, then cascading numbers from other nationalities. That balance is changing.
This site shows that in detail.
http://shprung.com/pbp/?mode=country
The Asian, Indian and South American sub continents have a very high DNF rate, I wonder why, can't be the heat!
The entry process can be seen as complex, but it has to accommodate the relationships between the different national groups. The historic balance was 2,500 French, then 350 to 500 or so each from USA, Germany and UK, then cascading numbers from other nationalities. That balance is changing.
This site shows that in detail.
http://shprung.com/pbp/?mode=country
The Asian, Indian and South American sub continents have a very high DNF rate, I wonder why, can't be the heat!
The sensible advice is to do an SR in the year before PBP, to find out if you like the idea, and to prepare for another, at more rigid times, the following year.
The sensible advice is to do an SR in the year before PBP, to find out if you like the idea, and to prepare for another, at more rigid times, the following year.:thumbsup: ...and make sure that your 600 is a BRM event and not one of those easy DIY 600s!
The sensible advice is to do an SR in the year before PBP, to find out if you like the idea, and to prepare for another, at more rigid times, the following year.
And to see if you can actually do that kind of riding.
I've a friend who has no problems getting round a 200 but just can't do 300s (or longer obviously) as he just can't handle prolonged night riding as it messes with his eyes for some reason.
Date Time limit Available places
18/08 80h00 617
18/08 90h00 1205
19/08 84h00 399
The number of available 90 hour places has gone up to 1226. It this trend continues there will be space for absolutely everyone.
There was a graph of pre-registrations on the PBP Facebook:
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50851709_10156470659903780_7285638481169088512_n.png?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=e2c3f4f695129030ee521a33616bc6a3&oe=5D00308E)
Their comment:
"After the second preregistration wave, we can assume that it won't be possible to enter PBP'19 without preregistration, ie without a BRM ridden between November 2017 and October 2018. After the 600km preregistrations, only 2000 slots will remain available."
So, they are predicting 2000 places available at the 400km pre-reg.
I certainly still wouldn't rule out getting a place with a 300km pre-reg.
I still think that some 200km riders with fast fingers will get a pre-reg.
What happens from there, I don't know; but I think even if I were not pre-registered, I'd carry on regardless and work towards my SR - places will open up later in the season, I have no doubt.
Is there a definition of “special”?Anything that isn't a normal, two wheeled, upright bike I guess?
PBP wasn't always in August, the date has wandered a bit. It settled on late August when the event grew big enough to require the infrastructure of a large school for each control is a minimum.
PBP Audax tends to have multiple start dates, often months apart. Their peloton size is limited by the need to simultaneously feed and/or accommodate the entire field at each control.
Some of the comments on Facebook are ridiculous
There's one along the lines of "You should know you had this much demand, you should make extra spaces". That it could be fun to sit and pick through the flaws in if you had enough info and time.
The obvious one being the capacity allowed by the french authorities, the ability to provide the services required for riders at the scale required etc. etc. etc.
It's hard enough feeding lunch and tea to 80 cars worth of drivers and navigators, and 20 marshals and officials on Dad's targa rally, getting them through tests and regularities reasonably and having enough venues to cope through the day. What's worse is when snowfall prevents it running, and we've had to completely re-organize it for a second attempt later in the year as you're starting from scratch with a much shorter timescale.
I now just sit in a car at the back of the field, collect clocks and time cards and have what's left of the sandwiches at lunch and of the steak pie at the end.
Once you hit the natural/official limit of what you can provide in a single running, you would need to run two, and that needs double the effort and really double the staff and all other sorts of things...
like people saying "The August PBP is the real one, the May one isn't."
Also noticed somepeople saying they said to ride a 200...
I remember it was along the lines of "ride a 400, or a longer BRM you can as we're expecting high demand"
PBP wasn't always in August, the date has wandered a bit. It settled on late August when the event grew big enough to require the infrastructure of a large school for each control is a minimum.
PBP Audax tends to have multiple start dates, often months apart. Their peloton size is limited by the need to simultaneously feed and/or accommodate the entire field at each control.
Whatever, it's an example of human pettiness.
Here is a copy (I saved it away at the time) of the original PBP poster they produced but early 2018 they did say a minimum of a 400 BRM was recommended. Regardless as you have highlighted appears to be petty comments based on some mis placed sense of entitlement. FB, Twitter etc. seems to encourage pack behaviour.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/timn1olmfq64jvl/F2A12268-57B8-4676-A77B-8CA7D146F301.JPG?raw=1)
It's a classic case of 'It's not the despair, it's the hope'. Especially as keeping the hope alive means planning to do a 200 in Feb/March without any certainty of getting a place. I can see why people get 'petty'.
(https://thumbsnap.com/s/PkODrRtm.png)Ivo shared the total 2018 numbers a fortnight ago and I've added the pre-registrant figures.
ACP stats:Note 30% more 400s than 600s homolgated in 2018, although the number of 'multiple 400s' and the number who then went on to complete a longer BRM is unknown. I surmise that, in accordance with the ACP/PBP recommendation to ride at least a 400, there'll be a lot of French riders with itchy fingers at 2300 GMT on 10 Feb. PBP judge that there'll be 30% of the places left by then and that, after the 400s have pre-registered 9% will be left for the faster (on the keyboard) 300s. I think they are hanging 9% out there to give the 300s hope.
2018 homologations [and pre-registrants]
1000km 2431 [~1960]
600km 10569 [~2300]
400km 13067
300km 20333
200km 60599
... there'll be a lot of French riders with itchy fingers at 2300 GMT on 10 Feb. ...
Ajax Bay, I think the extremely good weather throughout 2018 probably contributed to the number of people being able to ride longer rides. We were truly blessed last year.
I found the hot weather problematic at rowing events. Only rode one Audax, a 400k.
I doubt if the French recognise GMT as a thing.
Ajax Bay, I think the extremely good weather throughout 2018 probably contributed to the number of people being able to ride longer rides. We were truly blessed last year.
They call it UTC. It's exactly the same thing though.
I found the hot weather problematic at rowing events. Only rode one Audax, a 400k.
I like the way this sounds when read out loud.
... there'll be a lot of French riders with itchy fingers at 2300 GMT on 10 Feb. ...
I doubt if the French recognise GMT as a thing.
They call it UTC. It's exactly the same thing though.
UTC and GMT are not exactly the same thing. Whilst they can be treated as such for most every day uses, the way they handle leap seconds can mean that for precise timing, you can't consider them the same.
J
They call it UTC. It's exactly the same thing though.
UTC and GMT are not exactly the same thing. Whilst they can be treated as such for most every day uses, the way they handle leap seconds can mean that for precise timing, you can't consider them the same.
J
I found the hot weather problematic at rowing events. Only rode one Audax, a 400k.
I like the way this sounds when read out loud.
Well we "put ourselves out by an hour" in the summer. Bitd we had the excellent BST (S = "Standard") trial (and 'summer time' and double summer time' during the war). Imo, the UK would, as a whole, be better off on BST in winter (A), and go forward an hour in March (to B). We would then be in the same time zone as all our close neighbours.Solar Paris time should be within 10 minutes of London time IIRC, but no they had to be different and put themselves out by a whole hour! (and the Spanish even more)... there'll be a lot of French riders with itchy fingers at 2300 GMT on 10 Feb. ...I doubt if the French recognise GMT as a thing.
Yes I am impressed Simon managed to row a 400km Audax. That would come under velo speciales
They call it UTC. It's exactly the same thing though.
UTC and GMT are not exactly the same thing. Whilst they can be treated as such for most every day uses, the way they handle leap seconds can mean that for precise timing, you can't consider them the same.
J
They call it UTC. It's exactly the same thing though.
UTC and GMT are not exactly the same thing. Whilst they can be treated as such for most every day uses, the way they handle leap seconds can mean that for precise timing, you can't consider them the same.
J
Those plucky Brits will be complaining when they cannot pre register 27 seconds ahead of everyone else, damn those Internet time clocks.
Regarding temperatures on PBP.http://www.brittany.co.uk/weather.aspx
Thread is getting off topic. Please do not post unless you are commenting on the registration process or providing statistical analysis that shows improving chances for a 200er.
Thread is getting off topic. Please do not post unless you are commenting on the registration process or providing statistical analysis that shows improving chances for a 200er.
You're quite new to YACF, aren't you ;D
Thread is getting off topic. Please do not post unless you are commenting on the registration process or providing statistical analysis that shows improving chances for a 200er.
You're quite new to YACF, aren't you ;D
13 pages in... I thought we'd done quite well this time.
Pink valve caps this year i believe ;D
Dragging it back OT
"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."
From the PBP Facebook.
Dragging it back OT
"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."
From the PBP Facebook.
The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:
meanwhile on facebook I see the opposite suggested, from someone who had ridden it 5 times before and feels he deserves a place more than people who are not french that did a longer BRM than him last year..Dragging it back OT
"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."
From the PBP Facebook.
The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:
Dragging it back OT
"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."
From the PBP Facebook.
The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:
meanwhile on facebook I see the opposite suggested, from someone who had ridden it 5 times before and feels he deserves a place more than people who are not french that did a longer BRM than him last year..
The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:
This focus on PBP has always made me think they are very silly awards.
Oh, and if they could accept an alternative 1200 instead of PBP for the Randonneur 5000/10000 awards, it might take some of the pressure off the event[1]
With something like PBP which is run only every 4 years, and has such a finite number of spaces, what is the best way of allocating spaces?
The current system is not perfect, but it's pretty clear. It favours those who have been riding long distances already.
There's something romantic about the going from zero to PBP in a year, but I think given the popularity increase of long distance cycling, it doesn't seem wrong to have the prequalifiers.
Barry Parslow rode the last of his five PBPs in 1987 and said it had got far too big by then and had lost its allure compared to his first PBP in 1966.
Dragging it back OT
"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."
From the PBP Facebook.
ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, ...
Not to their compatriots?
BRM are 200-1000km. LRM are 1200(+)km.
BRM are 200-1000km. LRM are 1200(+)km.
Where would an 1100 fit in ?
J
They don't exist, except for locally homologated brevets like AUK's BRs. There are basically no internationally recognised 700s, 800s, 900s or 1100s. BRMs are, save for very rare exceptions, 200, 300, 400, 600 or 1000km.
Is LRM/BRM basically like a venn diagram, or is one entirely a subset of the other?
I must admit I had thought they were synonymous.
meanwhile on facebook I see the opposite suggested, from someone who had ridden it 5 times before and feels he deserves a place more than people who are not french that did a longer BRM than him last year..
The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:
For those who are working towards their ACP Randonneur 5000 or Randonneur 10000 medals, missing out on a PBP can mean having to wait 4 years, and starting again on all the other requirements.
With something like PBP which is run only every 4 years, and has such a finite number of spaces, what is the best way of allocating spaces?
The current system is not perfect, but it's pretty clear. It favours those who have been riding long distances already.
There's something romantic about the going from zero to PBP in a year, but I think given the popularity increase of long distance cycling, it doesn't seem wrong to have the prequalifiers.
Maybe they could have a pool of 300 places allocated by lottery for those who didn't have a prequalifier BRM, but have completed the SR series in the year of the event.
Oh, and if they could accept an alternative 1200 instead of PBP for the Randonneur 5000/10000 awards, it might take some of the pressure off the event[1]
J
[1]I'm guessing those chasing these medals are in a minority tho... It's the only reason I want to do PBP
Whichever new group gained access last night has taken a grand total of 33 places. Oddly most of them 80h slots.Aarh! The 'special 33'. Earlier ie between 30 Jan and 3 Feb, they seem to have moved another 120 (say) from the 80hr to the 90hr availability. It could be that similar ACP 'swapping' is the reason for the reduction in the number of 80hr slots available. 2042 places left.
(Sunday 3 Feb 2238 GMT) Another 127 have pre-registered in the last 4 days: 2075 places shown as available (for those with a longest BRM in 2018 of 400) to try to pre-register in 7 days' time.interesting that of 2431 BRM1000s 1960 places were taken up, this suggests greater than 80% of people riding a 1000km brevet entered.
I wonder what proportion of the thirteen thousand 400s are 'duplicates' and what proportion were ridden by Super Randonneurs (2018).
ACP 2018 homologations [and pre-registrants]
1000km 2431 [~1960]
600km 10569 [~2410]
400km 13067
300km 20333
In 2015 more entrants came from the 600k group than the 400k. ACP's analysis suggested there'd be 9% of spaces left over after the 400k. This assumes the same ratio and there will be some margin for error with that.
9% will not be enough for all 300k on the same analysis.
It could well be that there are many riders in distant parts of the world riding long brevets, who when push comes to shove can't justify the best part of a fortnight in europe (and all the cost that entails) for a bike ride
interesting that of 2431 BRM1000s 1960 places were taken up, this suggests greater than 80% of people riding a 1000km brevet entered.I think the assumption that of the 13000+ 400s ridden last year only 2500 are 'longest distance' ones is an underestimate. I surmise that a good portion - particularly the element that will want to ride PBP - are those who read the ACP advice to ride 'at least a 300' and rode one more to be sure - and the 400 aspirant pre-registers will all get a place. Then there's a much larger cohort (within the 20,000+ 300s) who want to ride PBP, heeded the ACP advice and rode a 300 (as their longest ride), but will need to be quick on 25 Feb (if ACP have not revised the pre-registration detail by then ('we'll look at this and tell people on 17 Feb')).
Assuming all the 1000km riders did a 600km (I skipped 600km last year, there must be others) then only 2400 of the 8000 additional qualifiers took up a place, (30%)
Then we see only 2500 extra riders gained a 400km brevet that didn't get a 600km, assuming their take up is also 30% (i don't see why it would be greater than the 600s) that takes 750 places of the remaining 2000, leaving 1250 places for the 300s, but there are 7000 of them potentially so we are still looking at 40-60% getting a place.
But if the desire to enter tails away further among riders as the distances get shorter (or people interested in entering are more likely to have ridden further as per the advice) or the number of multiple rides by the same rider increases then it may be that there is not a surplus of 300km riders who will be disappointed."
It could well be that there are many riders in distant parts of the world riding long brevets, who when push comes to shove can't justify the best part of a fortnight in europe (and all the cost that entails) for a bike ride.
The cost of pre-registering is tiny in comparison so many may do that speculatively.
Wasn’t the “official” advice to do a 400? Though the only place I’ve seen it is this here forum - I don’t think it appears on the ACP brochure or the AUK website, and from the comments on Facebook other countries didn’t pass it on to their members either.I was going on (inaccurately remembered) this from @Somnolent - so you're right: the recommendation was for a 400k in 2018, but it was one offered by ACP, though (perhaps deliberately) not in print.
(And at least some people seem to have intepreted “you should ride a pre-qualifier” as “a 200 guarantees a place”)
The advice from ACP to the delegates at the 2018 presentation was that you should aim to complete the longest possible BRM in 2018 in order to be sure of being able to pre-register. . . . They commented that since 2015 there has been a massive growth in randonneuring (what we call audax) around the world, and their back-of-the-fag-packet calculation was that:
a) if you do not ride any BRMs this season - and therefore are unable to pre-register, you are unlikely to get a place.
b) the available places are unlikely to sell out on the first two pre-registration slots [1000+ and 600], they think that 400km ought to be sufficient - but no guarantees.
Wasn’t the “official” advice to do a 400? Though the only place I’ve seen it is this here forum - I don’t think it appears on the ACP brochure or the AUK website, and from the comments on Facebook other countries didn’t pass it on to their members either.
(And at least some people seem to have intepreted “you should ride a pre-qualifier” as “a 200 guarantees a place”)
Wasn’t the “official” advice to do a 400? Though the only place I’ve seen it is this here forum - I don’t think it appears on the ACP brochure or the AUK website, and from the comments on Facebook other countries didn’t pass it on to their members either.
(And at least some people seem to have intepreted “you should ride a pre-qualifier” as “a 200 guarantees a place”)
It could well be that there are many riders in distant parts of the world riding long brevets, who when push comes to shove can't justify the best part of a fortnight in europe (and all the cost that entails) for a bike ride
The cost of pre-registering is tiny in comparison so many may do that speculatively.
So basically, what I'm saying is the €30 fee for pre-registration isn't much money in Europe, but in India it's a lot more even for the sort of people likely to be attracted by PBP.
Places have dropped to 2011 - about 200 places gone since I last checked.
Earliest available 90hr wave is 20:15 at the moment. It has 251 spaces still available.
Hi, I've still not received any confirmation email and specifically no email to say payment successful. The registration section of the website still does not say payment successful. (paypal went through fine, I've had confirmation)Richard, I think the risk (loss/no pre-registration) mitigation is to pay again, before Sunday, if your PBP account page allows you to, and sort it out with Paypal.
That's excellent I'm glad that folk are leaving the later starting slots free for me. :DEarliest available 90hr wave is 20:15 at the moment. It has 251 spaces still available.
Thank you :thumbsup:. Hmm, maybe then I'll think of going for the latest wave to be behind the bulge.
Based only on two 90h starts from the veeeeery back, I feel that if you are in the slower half of the field, starting last is no worse than starting in the middle for "bulge-dodging". There are a billion other variables.
(My 2007 start was very late at night - 10pm-ish? - which led to the drawback of finishing in rush-hour traffic, but n.b. I took nearly 92 hours! That was the only real drawback, and SQY wasn't exactly hell even then.)
2011 - standing in a queue in hot sun for hours just before a 1200km ride - not ideal.
I'm not sad to see the back of that.
Hi, I've still not received any confirmation email and specifically no email to say payment successful. The registration section of the website still does not say payment successful. (paypal went through fine, I've had confirmation)Richard, I think the risk (loss/no pre-registration) mitigation is to pay again, before Sunday, if your PBP account page allows you to, and sort it out with Paypal.
Might you have used the wrong entry number as a reference when you paypalled?
The one downside I can see to a last-wave 90hr start is what to do with oneself all day after the hotel kicks out. Head to Rambouillet and find a tree at the Bergerie to lie under, I suppose.
The one downside I can see to a last-wave 90hr start is what to do with oneself all day after the hotel kicks out. Head to Rambouillet and find a tree at the Bergerie to lie under, I suppose.
Or go to the campsite and join the dozens of riders there dozing before the ride starts.
The one downside I can see to a last-wave 90hr start is what to do with oneself all day after the hotel kicks out. Head to Rambouillet and find a tree at the Bergerie to lie under, I suppose.
Or go to the campsite and join the dozens of riders there dozing before the ride starts.
Didn't Huttopia camping fill up long ago? And there aren't any others. I did want to camp near Rambouillet, but lack of availability means I'll be in a motel some 30km away. I can cancel if you know something I don't though!
The one downside I can see to a last-wave 90hr start is what to do with oneself all day after the hotel kicks out.
They do, but less so. Starting at 18:00 means one would get further in before one's circadian rhythm starts expecting sleep than one would starting at 21:00. The extra three hours hanging around before just strikes me as more time awake wasted.
One idea is to book your hotel to include the Sunday night and to try to get some rest - and sleep, if possible - during the day. In 2015 I calculated that there was very little difference between booking for a couple of days before the ride plus one afterwards and booking for the whole week, so all I had to worry about on the Sunday was riding down to the start and I knew that I had somewhere to go no matter what time I finished on the Thursday morning.
Remaining places dips under 2,000 and is now 1,991.
Received my confirmation email last night, took 10 days to come through.
Somewhat relieved...
Lots of people on the PBP Facebook page are talking about the LPG. What is that? I’ve tried multiple searches of combinations of LPG, brevet, Audax, randonneur and all that comes back is about Liquefied Petroleum Gas cats!
2221 places left as at 0900 today UK time.RumoursPredictions of it being sold out by now have been somewhat overstated.
Date Time limit Available places
18/08 80h00 617
18/08 90h00 1205
19/08 84h00 399
I'd estimate that c 1900 places will be left by 11th Feb when 400s can register and that there will still be well over 1000 places left when riders with 300s can register.
I'd not be surprised if there were still places left for riders with a 200.
Sounds like you haven't yet discovered the soporific effects of a proper French "lunch" :)
(and taking an afternoon nap in the sun is good practice for later in the ride)
Sounds like you haven't yet discovered the soporific effects of a proper French "lunch" :)
(and taking an afternoon nap in the sun is good practice for later in the ride)
My strategy in 1999, when I started at 10pm-ish, was to drink a bottle of wine in the day then sleep in my tent for a few hours.
I like that idea....
1949 places left. Let's see how many places go tomorrow.Never mind tomorrow: for those who'd ridden a 600 pre-qualifier, about 1100 went in the first hour of 29 Jan (282300-282359 GMT) and another 1000 in the next 231/2 hours (ie "tomorow").
Sounds like you haven't yet discovered the soporific effects of a proper French "lunch" :)
(and taking an afternoon nap in the sun is good practice for later in the ride)
My strategy in 1999, when I started at 10pm-ish, was to drink a bottle of wine in the day then sleep in my tent for a few hours.
I like that idea....
I seem to recall you saying it wasn't ideal, but needs must; something to do with a 24. Wasn't that the time someone tried to nick your bike in Paris?
It ought to be exactly the same process as clicking through to enter an AUK event via PayPal, if you want to practice.
Done. 20:15!
I thought you had a 600... I saw you in Chepstow for the BCM... ::-)
Two year-two SRs qualification requirement for 2023?
Two year-two SRs qualification requirement for 2023?
I hope not. I think the current system is fair. Audax isn't the only long-distance riding any more, and those of us whose annual riding calendar would normally feature ultra-racing or bikepacking brevets currently only have to find one weekend for a long BRM during the preceding year. It's pretty easy to do that (and I know in 2022 to make that a 1000km if I want a free choice of start waves). An SR series may only be four weekends but, because one is in Jan/Feb, one in Feb/Mar, one in Mar/Apr, and one in Apr/May, it makes it very difficult to fit in when you consider an ultra or long brevet might take you out for three weeks or more. This year I'm mostly forsaking the sort of event I would normally do in order to concentrate on the SR and PBP. If I had to take two years out I probably wouldn't.
Whether you think two successive SR years would be a good or bad thing depends, I suppose then, on whether you think PBP should really be just for audaxers or whether you think it should welcome all types of long distance cyclist. I can see there could be arguments either way. As it is, I feel welcomed.
I hope not. I think the current system is fair. Audax isn't the only long-distance riding any more, and those of us whose annual riding calendar would normally feature ultra-racing or bikepacking brevets currently only have to find one weekend for a long BRM during the preceding year. It's pretty easy to do that (and I know in 2022 to make that a 1000km if I want a free choice of start waves). The qualifying SR series may only be four weekends but, because one is in Jan/Feb, one in Mar/Apr, one in Apr/May, and one in May/Jun, it makes it very difficult to fit in when you consider an ultra or long brevet might take you out for three weeks or more. This year I'm mostly forsaking the sort of event I would normally do in order to concentrate on the SR and PBP. If I had to take two years out I probably wouldn't.
Whether you think two successive SR years would be a good or bad thing depends, I suppose then, on whether you think PBP should really be just for audaxers or whether you think it should welcome all types of long distance cyclist. I can see there could be arguments either way. As it is, I feel welcomed.
Why is the 200k qualifier in Jan/Feb?
Audax uk website has the final 200k qualifier on 27th April.
Window for 200s is: 200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
It should be possible to ride all qualifiers betwen late April and late May.
Why is the 200k qualifier in Jan/Feb?
Audax uk website has the final 200k qualifier on 27th April.
Window for 200s is: 200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
It should be possible to ride all qualifiers betwen late April and late May.
Because noone organises them then. So that there are multiple options for each distance you end up with march being all 300's, 300 & 400 in April, 400 & 600 in may, just 600 in June.
J
Shame they don't where you are, because we have PBP 200 qualifiers running right through March / April in the UK.
But fewer of them, and many aren't easily accessible from the other end of the country. Let's face it, if you live in Kent, it's easier (and often cheaper) to get to an Audax in Belgium or The Netherlands, than say the north of the UK.
J
Two year-two SRs qualification requirement for 2023?This may happen by default anyway if more people think they'll need a 1,000 to guarantee getting in and/or preferred start time. If a 400 turns out to be the minimum distance for everyone who wants to do PBP to get in this year, it could be 600 for 2023 (if audax continues it's upward trajectory).
Shame they don't where you are, because we have PBP 200 qualifiers running right through March / April in the UK.
But fewer of them, and many aren't easily accessible from the other end of the country. Let's face it, if you live in Kent, it's easier (and often cheaper) to get to an Audax in Belgium or The Netherlands, than say the north of the UK.
J
But fewer of them, and many aren't easily accessible from the other end of the country. Let's face it, if you live in Kent, it's easier (and often cheaper) to get to an Audax in Belgium or The Netherlands, than say the north of the UK.
J
Is it? ::-)
London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.
London to Amsterdam is just over 4 hours. There are events starting from within the city, or get off at Rotterdam, and do the Maasland rides...
The continent is surprisingly close you know...
London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.
London to Amsterdam is just over 4 hours. There are events starting from within the city, or get off at Rotterdam, and do the Maasland rides...
The continent is surprisingly close you know...
Now add several more hours of arriving early and padding afterwards if you want to take a (non-Brompton) bike with you.
London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.
London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.
How? You can't just load a bike on a Eurostar and hope to find it at the other end
By car, I have done London to Oudenaarde several times, rarely in less than 5-6 hours
Two year-two SRs qualification requirement for 2023?This may happen by default anyway if more people think they'll need a 1,000 to guarantee getting in and/or preferred start time. If a 400 turns out to be the minimum distance for everyone who wants to do PBP to get in this year, it could be 600 for 2023 (if audax continues it's upward trajectory).
There are 1,012 places left.
From an organisers point of view I reckon that's just about perfect ie of the 5 different priority levels, riders in 1-3 have all been guaranteed a place. That suggests to me that this is a successful approach to be used again, rather than making the qualification requirements even more onerous. Though ACP might like the idea of all that lovely money.
Having to do yet more BRM events would put me off as most of my rides are DIY events.
Id also think twice about putting another 1000km event on in the year before the next PBP as it runs the risk of attracting the wrong sort.
Looking back over my strava record so find 6 hours from arriving at ghent st pieters station to departing st Pancras. I think you can get to large swathes of the UK in that time.
London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.
How? You can't just load a bike on a Eurostar and hope to find it at the other end
By car, I have done London to Oudenaarde several times, rarely in less than 5-6 hours
I'm used to taking my Brompton on the Eurostar, I forget they are bastards about other bikes.
J
But fewer of them, and many aren't easily accessible from the other end of the country. Let's face it, if you live in Kent, it's easier (and often cheaper) to get to an Audax in Belgium or The Netherlands, than say the north of the UK.
J
Is it? ::-)
Quote from: BairnAgainHaving to do yet more BRM events would put me off as most of my rides are DIY events.
Id also think twice about putting another 1000km event on in the year before the next PBP as it runs the risk of attracting the wrong sort.
And what are the wrong sort?
J
Quote from: BairnAgainHaving to do yet more BRM events would put me off as most of my rides are DIY events.
Id also think twice about putting another 1000km event on in the year before the next PBP as it runs the risk of attracting the wrong sort.
And what are the wrong sort?
J
Fifers
the jury is still out on VC167 members, it seems a shame to bracket them all together cos some are actually not that bad. ;)
Id also think twice about putting another 1000km event on in the year before the next PBP as it runs the risk of attracting the wrong sort.
the jury is still out on VC167 members, it seems a shame to bracket them all together cos some are actually not that bad. ;)
You think?
;D
the jury is still out on VC167 members, it seems a shame to bracket them all together cos some are actually not that bad. ;)
You think?
;D
Pot. Kettle. Black.
:-*
Just posted on PBP Facebook:
“Nous avons le plaisir de vous annoncer que 850 places supplémentaires seront ouvertes pour le PBP2019.
We are pleased to announce that 850 extra slots will be available for PBP 2019.”
Hope for 200ers?
(The extra slots don’t seem to be live on the website yet, so no indication of what exactly they’ve done)
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Mark
They must have heard your January rant as far away as Paris!
I think that with the extra places (assuming they are to be released to the wide community and not segregated) with your 200 you are all but assured of being able to pre-register in 3 weeks. But well worth being 'on the button' on 10 March (2300) and also getting your first 200 BRM qualifier done and getting a place on (ie entering) your preferred 400 and 600. Not all those with a 200 will be able to pre-register, I fear, so 'time is of the essence'.
The 1000s took about 1900 places and the 600s took about 2500+. Before the 400s got in there, there were 1940 places (10 Feb 2300GMT). The 400s have taken up about 1045 places so far, dropping availability to just under 900. ACP have now added 520 extra places to the figures which suggest 1313 are currently available (1130 on Sunday 17 Feb). Most of the new places have been added to the 80 hour starts (400 more). Perhaps 300 slots are being reserved for an alternative entry mechanism / domestic consumption.
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)
I've been moved 30 minutes earlier, but have no email and no option to change. Looks like there are currently free places in every 90 hour slot.
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)
Yeah, I've switched mine too - from 1845 to 1800. Makes it a bit easier to work out how much time I have in hand.
I've been moved from 18:30 group K to 18:00 group I.And me. C'est la vie.
Fine with me.
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)
Made the same change - think the bulge will be very bulgy so keen to get on with it and push on.
i got the email and went to see what other slots were available just out of interest but I only got a "consult" option ie the time slot appears locked. Wasnt overly fussed about moving more just nosey!
i got the email and went to see what other slots were available just out of interest but I only got a "consult" option ie the time slot appears locked. Wasnt overly fussed about moving more just nosey!
Scroll down on the page with the Consult button on it.
i got the email and went to see what other slots were available just out of interest but I only got a "consult" option ie the time slot appears locked. Wasnt overly fussed about moving more just nosey!
Scroll down on the page with the Consult button on it.
i got the email and went to see what other slots were available just out of interest but I only got a "consult" option ie the time slot appears locked. Wasnt overly fussed about moving more just nosey!
Scroll down on the page with the Consult button on it.
I did and when i hover over the "choose your departure time" dropdown its locked
I clicked consult, then get the page with my current type of cycle, date and current wave and time, but just get a big red circle with a red stripe through it when I try to change anything on the drop down menu (i.e. cannot actually make any changes). Annoying
I clicked consult, then get the page with my current type of cycle, date and current wave and time, but just get a big red circle with a red stripe through it when I try to change anything on the drop down menu (i.e. cannot actually make any changes). Annoying
A special time change drop down appeared on the first page for me. The time change drop down on the second page (with all my details) was still locked.
It's possible they're unlocking accounts in sequence - have you got an email yet?
TLDR for the last 10-20 posts? What's the latest headline?
TLDR for the last 10-20 posts? What's the latest headline?For you: no change. Wait for 3 weeks, and be there.
Haven't yet done my research on what start time I should go for.
I clicked consult, then get the page with my current type of cycle, date and current wave and time, but just get a big red circle with a red stripe through it when I try to change anything on the drop down menu (i.e. cannot actually make any changes). Annoying
A special time change drop down appeared on the first page for me. The time change drop down on the second page (with all my details) was still locked.
It's possible they're unlocking accounts in sequence - have you got an email yet?
yes I received the email which explicitly said I could change. Nice carrot ACP..
Well this is a bugger. As someone who failed to complete a pre-reg ride I'd given up on PBP but now there is a tantalising possibility of getting an entry. It's the hope that gets you...
TLDR for the last 10-20 posts? What's the latest headline?For you: no change. Wait for 3 weeks, and be there.
Haven't yet done my research on what start time I should go for.
TLDR for the last 10-20 posts? What's the latest headline?
Youre on the wrong forum pal.
Being a recumbenteer it has been extremely worrisome as at one point there were reportedly only 15 slots left in the 90 hr. special start. Does anyone have an accurate status of the special 90 and 84 hr. starts?
Went from 9:00 to 6:15, last place. Mainly chose it becuase it was the last place. Such planning acumen. Well at least I will have the ACME massive behind me now, so they can drag me along as they whizz through :-)
My plan A will now therefore be to keep stops to a minimum on the way out with a view to reaching Carhaix (at least) by Monday night. I now have an image of a surfer about to be engulfed by a huge breaker in my mind!
Having just checked last time, I was just over 24 hrs to Loudeac (where I kipped) so it looks do-able.
Talk is cheap of course.
An hour at a museum?? Last night I was trying to explain what audax was to my mother. “A race but not a race...” was the best I could come up with. “PBP though, from what I was told, is “definitely “a race””. What now!
I am still impressed with your speed and dedication.
An hour at a museum??
An hour at a museum??
An hour at a museum??
Any time spent not pedalling, is time spent resting.
An hour at a museum??
The friend who I was riding with wanted to visit his hero, Louis "Louison" Bobet, the great French Cyclists museum at Saint-Méen-le-Grand which PBP passes through. I just sat outside in the Sun catching a few "rays" and having something to eat.
In fact, only till just now when I checked my track in "Sportracks", I never knew where it was we went, and it actually felt like we was there an hour, but it was only just under 15 minutes but just over 20 mins off route.
I've wanted to check out Bobet's museum for a couple of PBPs now but have never done it. Hopefully I'll be there when it is open and finally get to pay my respects. I may even make a point of visiting the Terront plaque in Versailles on registration day.
It's possible to get the same 'fix' of concentrated Frenchness as PBP from the Semaine Federale. There are many of the same people about, the same volunteer ethos, but more varied locations.
There've been plenty of chances to visit battlefields and war memorials. Verdun, Agincourt, the Normandy Beaches and the Argonne have all featured. Last year was in Epinal, the site of a battle involving US forces.
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400ers ultimately took 1000 places. So wildly extrapolating we get 700 places going to 300ers, which leaves around 1000 places for 200ers, about 450 of which will be 90 hours.
If the 2015 numbers are right and demand from 200ers is slightly less than from 300ers, there may still be a few hundred places left for people who've never ridden a bike before.
(No 90 hour places though, probably mostly 84 hour places)
My hats off to anyone who hasn't ever ridden a bike and gives PBP a go.
If the 2015 numbers are right and demand from 200ers is slightly less than from 300ers, there may still be a few hundred places left for people who've never ridden a bike before.
(No 90 hour places though, probably mostly 84 hour places)
My hats off to anyone who hasn't ever ridden a bike and gives PBP a go.
I know a lady who had ridden less than 2000km that year before the PBP start line, including qualifying (no time on a trainer either). It was a long, slow ride without much sleep but she got round.
In 2016 I rode further on the MR24 than I had in the year up until that ride. That wasn't particularly clever and certainly explained a few things about that ride!
Currently 9 spaces in the 90hr Velo Special start. I wonder if later weirdo entrants will default to the 84hr VS or normal 90hr start.
Currently 9 spaces in the 90hr Velo Special start. I wonder if later weirdo entrants will default to the 84hr VS or normal 90hr start.
Did the French extend the VS numbers when they released the extra spaces a while back, or has the number remained the same from the beginning?
In the French forum there has been some debate if the participants of the 'concours des machines' should start with the VS or in a regular start.
The pre-registration slots have all opened midnight Paris time. If it's the same this would be 11pm on 24th UK time
Hi all. I've lurking for a while and new to all things audax related. There seems to be an outside chance of a PBP place if you haven't completed anything in 2018.. I am one of those chancers :) I guess what I'm asking for is what should I do, just train and complete the requirements in time for when registration opens? Got my first 200km booked in 2 weeks time.
I see the registration is open on the 25th May. Does anyone know the exact time registration opens? I'm away that weekend, (doing the dorset gravel dash) so will have to try and do it on a mobile phone. This is looking increasingly unlikely !
Thanks for the advice in this thread and any more you can offer.
Cheers, Rick
I think it's unlikely that there will be any places available on 25 May: all the places will have gone to those 'pre-registering'. But further to "There may be further spaces made available later on", it's worth noting that those 'freed up' places will become available at 2300BST on 19 Jun. This is the key date for the 'chancer' diary, having already ridden 2,3 and 400 BRMs and with a 600 entered to be ridden that weekend.seems to be an outside chance of a PBP place if you haven't completed anything in 2018.. I am one of those chancers :) I guess what I'm asking for is what should I do, just train and complete the requirements in time for when registration opens? Got my first 200km booked in 2 weeks time.
I see the registration is open on the 25th May. Does anyone know the exact time registration opens? I'm away that weekend, (doing the dorset gravel dash) so will have to try and do it on a mobile phone. This is looking increasingly unlikely!
The best assumption is that it will be 11pm uk on the 24th as it will be 00:00 French time on the 25th. This has been the case in the past and for all the pre-reg slots so far this year.
You can plan for qualifying and ride the shorter qualifiers. The window for 400s closes a week later so you would need to ride your 200k and 300k qualifiers before getting your place. It will be clearer after 11th March when the 200k pre-registration window opens how many places are available but it could fill up any time between then and the 25th May so it might not be full when you ride the 200/300 qualifiers but be full by the 25th.
There may be further spaces made available later on as some pre-registrations will not be converted into full entries.
Good luck.
Also managed to sneak in. I was clicking at 2300 on the dot and there was one final 1800 place which I managed to grab. I think though that in the moment of perhaps not quite believing my luck I hesitated in then clicking the T&Cs button (amateur!) and it was just as quickly gone. So, 2045 for me too. At least I'll be there again. Cannae wait.
Just over 400 places left, less than 20 in the 90hr start.
I also managed to sneak in for 20.45 I have a colleague who will have to see if he
can beat the rush if there are any remaining 84HR places when registration opens - a couple of questions
1/ I thought the earliest he could apply for registration is 25th May - a post above mentions in 2 weeks - appreciate to know what date that refers to
2/ My understanding is when registration opens if my colleague gets a 84HR spot I could also change my start time from 90HR to 84HR if an 84HR time slot is available
Now onto prep for my 300k - The Iron Mointaon in Repulic of Ireland
May 25, 2019:
Registration opens for all preregistered riders and, to the extent of available places, for non-preregistered FFCT members and International riders.
Also managed to sneak in. I was clicking at 2300 on the dot and there was one final 1800 place which I managed to grab. I think though that in the moment of perhaps not quite believing my luck I hesitated in then clicking the T&Cs button (amateur!) and it was just as quickly gone. So, 2045 for me too. At least I'll be there again. Cannae wait.
Hurrah!
I started at 9 in 2011, and it was a good ride. Bit different then, though.
1 lonely 90hr VS spot.
Can anyone see how many 84hr VS spaces there are?
Can anyone see how many 84hr VS spaces there are?
It should be easy enough for you to check if you go through the motions of registering.
I would guess lots (as a 90hr VS, I can't check the 84hr option) and not worry about the exact number. 84hr VS always has the smallest number of starters of any of the PBP groups.
Please excuse my ignorance, what are the VS slots? are these for recumbent bikes, bikes with fairings (don't know what they are called)? I have a singlespeed, would that qualify for a VS place!? :P
Please excuse my ignorance, what are the VS slots? are these for recumbent bikes, bikes with fairings (don't know what they are called)? I have a singlespeed, would that qualify for a VS place!? :P
For anything other than a standard diamond frame bike for a single rider.
You will be competing with the rest of the world for probably less than 100 places. Currently 20 x 80hr, 80 x 84hr (including VS) and a solitary 90hr VS. Those places are dropping a few every week.
I think . . . . no places will be freed up by uncompleted registrations [in June]. I believe that is the compromise they came up with by adding all the additional places.Which is effectively the approach Danial took with LEL. As opposed to drip feeding places to those on the waiting list as riders decided to withdraw, give places to a set number on the 'waiting list' and anticipate withdrawals to balance out that generosity and commitment, without breaching the organising committee's assessment of the sensible maximum number starting. I thought that benefited both organisation (far less hassle) and each rider getting one of those places (who could get on and prepare during spring 2017 with absolute assurance of a start).
I don’t think they’ve made an announcement either way.
According to the information I can find I must start the registration process before 18th June and I understand that to do this I will need to enter three of the qualifying brevets.
Presumably this means I will need the acp numbers for those rides.
Could it be a problem for me that my 3rd and 4th brevet are on 18th and 25th of May? Obviously I will have completed the rides but considering one of these is a postal finish will I be able to enter the details by the deadline?
Especially relevant if for some reason I don't complete BCM on the 18th
3:8:0 for 80:84:90. Nearly down to single figures.
3:8:0 for 80:84:90. Nearly down to single figures.
They are now!
Date Time limit Available places
18/08 80h00 2
18/08 90h00 0
19/08 84h00 4
India is significantly up provided they all make it to the start. Here is the full Indian contingent at PBP 2015
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/idw091viydrjvi4/2015-Aug-15_0695.jpg?raw=1)
A decline to less than a quarter of riders from France is a bit worrying. There was concern expressed in the roundup about volunteer numbers last time. There was an appeal for help at the end of this page.
http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pbp/plaquettes/2015/065.html
A decline to less than a quarter of riders from France is a bit worrying. There was concern expressed in the roundup about volunteer numbers last time. There was an appeal for help at the end of this page.
http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pbp/plaquettes/2015/065.html
The amount of French riders has been quite stable at around 2000 for the '95 to '15 editions. Dropping to nearly 1600 means that about 400 French 'PBP-tourists' have been caught asleep.
Another surprising country with a low turnout is Denmark.
I'm just a bit concerned that the falling percentage, and falling numbers, of French participants might be reflected in volunteer numbers.
BE A VOLUNTEER AND LIVE INSIDE THIS GREAT EVENT
The best response to this if you're not riding is to volunteer. As the current Volunteers web page says
I'm just a bit concerned that the falling percentage, and falling numbers, of French participants might be reflected in volunteer numbers.
The best response to this if you're not riding is to volunteer. As the current Volunteers web page saysQuoteBE A VOLUNTEER AND LIVE INSIDE THIS GREAT EVENT
For how to apply, have a look at
https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=organisation&page=appel_aux_benevols
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Country | 2019 | 2015 | Incr | % |
PreReg | Start | (19-15) | Incr | |
France | 1595 | 1950 | -355 | -18% |
Germany | 833 | 471 | 362 | 77% |
United Kingdom | 669 | 450 | 219 | 49% |
United States | 565 | 612 | -47 | -8% |
Japan | 429 | 209 | 220 | 105% |
Italy | 423 | 348 | 75 | 22% |
India | 386 | 52 | 334 | 642% |
Spain | 279 | 234 | 45 | 19% |
Russia | 237 | 138 | 99 | 72% |
Brazil | 184 | 103 | 81 | 79% |
Belgium | 145 | 99 | 46 | 46% |
Canada | 132 | 89 | 43 | 48% |
Sweden | 124 | 95 | 29 | 31% |
Netherlands | 113 | 53 | 60 | 113% |
Ukraine | 111 | 32 | 79 | 247% |
Thailand | 104 | 68 | 36 | 53% |
Australia | 102 | 73 | 29 | 40% |
Greece | 102 | 56 | 46 | 82% |
Denmark | 93 | 106 | -13 | -12% |
Ireland | 85 | 44 | 41 | 93% |
Romania | 82 | 8 | 74 | 925% |
South Korea | 79 | 14 | 65 | 464% |
Austria | 75 | 46 | 29 | 63% |
Taiwan | 67 | 70 | -3 | -4% |
Philippines | 55 | 13 | 42 | 323% |
Finland | 48 | 27 | 21 | 78% |
China | 47 | 56 | -9 | -16% |
Switzerland | 42 | 31 | 11 | 35% |
Malaysia | 36 | 3 | 33 | 1100% |
Bulgaria | 29 | 28 | 1 | 4% |
Country 2019 2015 Incr % PreReg Start (19-15) Incr United Kingdom 669 450 219 49%