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Title: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 08 August, 2015, 10:30:49 pm
Always love to see Ireland win, they are an undervalued side. Wales definitely need to up their game.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 08 August, 2015, 10:32:33 pm
The day's other two results have put the cat amongst the pigeons as far as RWC predictions go!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 08 August, 2015, 10:34:43 pm
Oh, indeed, but not so close to home  ;)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 08 August, 2015, 10:38:19 pm
I don't tink either Wales or Ireland were playing their strongest sides, but strength in depth will be vital in a world cup campaign. 

Wales looked too "eager" to impress!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 August, 2015, 05:58:51 am
I shall miss the first week chiz but happily will be back from FOREIGN climes just in time for England v. Wales :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 27 August, 2015, 11:41:55 pm
A bloke in a pub told me last night that he thought Joe Launchbury would be in the England World Cup squad, though he didn't know for sure. He must be pleased that he was right, being Joe's dad.  ;) He often does our Wednesday evening rides.

I know, I know - shameless name  dropping.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 27 August, 2015, 11:50:25 pm
A bloke in a pub told me last night that he thought Joe Launchbury would be in the England World Cup squad, though he didn't know for sure. He must be pleased that he was right, being Joe's dad.  ;) He often does our Wednesday evening rides.

I know, I know - shameless name  dropping.

I take it he's a big lump!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 28 August, 2015, 12:27:25 am
Nowhere near as big as his son!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 29 August, 2015, 06:42:13 pm
In case anyone hadn't twigged Wales' victory over Ireland today has put them in their rightful place above England in the world rankings..
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 29 August, 2015, 07:37:38 pm
In case anyone hadn't twigged Wales' victory over Ireland today has put them I their rightful place above England in the world rankings..

That's good!  England will be the underdogs when they meet!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 30 August, 2015, 09:23:33 am
It was sad to see Paul O'Connell not finish his home career with a win though. 
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 08 September, 2015, 11:43:24 am
I think Wales have adopted underdog status again after the two injuries at the weekend.  Halfpenny and Webb will be badly missed.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 11 September, 2015, 05:30:57 pm
I know it's a good, big ground, but why is the Millenium stadium being used with England hosting?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 17 September, 2015, 08:22:19 pm
Because it's the best rugby stadium in the world and its inclusion was a cornerstone of the English bid.  The WRU agreed to its use provided the English organisers agreed to Wales playing all their pool games in Cardiff - this would have brought big revenue To benefit everyone.  Then England,Wales and Australia got drawn in the same pool and suddenly Wales weren't allowed to play their major pool games in Cardiff any more.  It revealed a lack of integrity, cowardice and the familiar arrogance on the part of the English organisers. 

Hopefully karma will prevail.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 18 September, 2015, 02:36:26 pm
Because it's the best rugby stadium in the world and its inclusion was a cornerstone of the English bid.  The WRU agreed to its use provided the English organisers agreed to Wales playing all their pool games in Cardiff - this would have brought big revenue To benefit everyone.  Then England,Wales and Australia got drawn in the same pool and suddenly Wales weren't allowed to play their major pool games in Cardiff any more.  It revealed a lack of integrity, cowardice and the familiar arrogance on the part of the English organisers. 

Hopefully karma will prevail.

Ok, that's interesting.  Weren't there potentially many of the large English football grounds that could have been used.  I guess it's understandable that England play Wales at Twickenham, but the Aussies should be no problem for Wales even at Twickenham, shirley.   ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Rugby_World_Cup#Pool_A
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 18 September, 2015, 03:21:29 pm
Because it's the best rugby stadium in the world and its inclusion was a cornerstone of the English bid.  The WRU agreed to its use provided the English organisers agreed to Wales playing all their pool games in Cardiff - this would have brought big revenue To benefit everyone.  Then England,Wales and Australia got drawn in the same pool and suddenly Wales weren't allowed to play their major pool games in Cardiff any more.  It revealed a lack of integrity, cowardice and the familiar arrogance on the part of the English organisers. 

Hopefully karma will prevail.

Ok, that's interesting.  Weren't there potentially many of the large English football grounds that could have been used.  I guess it's understandable that England play Wales at Twickenham, but the Aussies should be no problem for Wales even at Twickenham, shirley.   ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Rugby_World_Cup#Pool_A

The whole tournament [and therefore the grounds used and the schedule] was agreed by Rugby World Cup - not by the RFU and England.  There is a lot of disquiet amongst the RFU and other rugby people about the number of football grounds being used rather that rugby grounds, notably Leicester's Walker Stadium [or whatever it's called nowadays] instead of Welford Road.

It's true that Wales supported the English bid after they withdrew their own bid.  England were granted the tournament in 2009 but the venues were not finally agreed until 2013 at the same time as the schedule was announced.  The WRU could have pulled out well before that.

Tonight England are playing in red and using the away changing rooms at Twickenham when they play against Fiji.  They are officially the "away" team.

I don't think the RFU would have organised that if they'd had the choice!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 September, 2015, 03:39:19 pm
Does that mean I have to support the "home" team at Twickenham?  :o
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 18 September, 2015, 03:44:04 pm
Does that mean I have to support the "home" team at Twickenham?  :o

If your Fijian ardour is surging enough to demand that!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Basil on 18 September, 2015, 07:49:51 pm
I'm watching the build up in my local in Llandysul.
I'm the butt of a bit of gentle ribbing.  :)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Pancho on 18 September, 2015, 08:38:48 pm
Too much time taken as the referee debates and rewatches play. Breaks the flow of the game. Cracking run, though.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LEE on 18 September, 2015, 08:42:11 pm
WOW!!!!!

This is already an amazing tournament.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Pancho on 18 September, 2015, 08:48:05 pm
I was supposed to be going out to dinner this evening. Fuck Off! Mrs P went without me. :)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 18 September, 2015, 09:39:29 pm
Come on Fiji!!! :) :)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 18 September, 2015, 10:14:22 pm
5 points! Skin of teeth job though. Brown was good.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 September, 2015, 10:22:40 pm
This bonus points mallarkey is new to me. I have just read a piece by Clive Woodward explaining the situation, up to a point (ha!). 4 tries gets you a bonus point, as does losing by 7 points or fewer. What happens if the losing side scores 4 tries and loses by a margin smaller than 7 points? Do they get 2 points?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Basil on 18 September, 2015, 10:35:03 pm
What happens if the losing side scores 4 tries and loses by a margin smaller than 7 points? Do they get 2 points?

That'll be Scotland.  Sort of thing they do.
Yes. I would assume they'd get two points.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 19 September, 2015, 12:40:34 am
This bonus points mallarkey is new to me. I have just read a piece by Clive Woodward explaining the situation, up to a point (ha!). 4 tries gets you a bonus point, as does losing by 7 points or fewer. What happens if the losing side scores 4 tries and loses by a margin smaller than 7 points? Do they get 2 points?

They get two bonus points!

After watching the RWC opening Ceremony - Old Brooke comes across as a bit of a tit, Brown and East a couple of speccy swats and no sign of Flashman at all.

And as for that Webb-Ellis - "a fine disregard for the rules" -he obviously was really a kiwi!.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LEE on 19 September, 2015, 09:50:22 am
This bonus points mallarkey is new to me.

It was new to Billie Vunipola as well.  Apparently he had no idea his try was worth an extra point.

I thought the super-slo-mo of the disallowed Fiji Try was amazing.  Watching Mike Brown's last-ditch grab, that just dislodged the ball, showed what an incredible all-round asset he is.

There are some seriously big feckers in the game now aren't there?  The Fiji #11 was bloody enormous.  What's more they are huge without the Beer guts of old.  Not so sure I fancy getting hit by 19 stone travelling only slightly slower than Usain Bolt.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 September, 2015, 10:06:16 am
This bonus points mallarkey is new to me.

It was new to Billie Vunipola as well.  Apparently he had no idea his try was worth an extra point.
If that is so, then that's shamefully poor team preparation.
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I thought the super-slo-mo of the disallowed Fiji Try was amazing.  Watching Mike Brown's last-ditch grab, that just dislodged the ball, showed what an incredible all-round asset he is.

There are some seriously big feckers in the game now aren't there?  The Fiji #11 was bloody enormous.  What's more they are huge without the Beer guts of old.  Not so sure I fancy getting hit by 19 stone travelling only slightly slower than Usain Bolt.

I'm pretty sure we have discussed this at some length. The combined increase in size and speed of the modern players, as well as the greater number of international matches, will lead to many careers cut short by injury and some seriously crocked middle-aged men when they retire.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 19 September, 2015, 11:26:01 am
I'm pretty sure we have discussed this at some length. The combined increase in size and speed of the modern players, as well as the greater number of international matches, will lead to many careers cut short by injury and some seriously crocked middle-aged men when they retire.

My nephew is something of an up and coming star in the junior game, in the development squad of a very well-known team. At 14, he's around 6'5" and 14 stone and a sub-55 second 400m runner. Thanks to a big tackle last season, he already has back problems that will probably come back to haunt him later, especially if he progresses to the first-class senior game. The size of the players even at his level is astonishing, and the aggressiveness and physicality of play is unrecognisable to someone of my generation who played wing forward (flanker) in reasonably decent-standard adult rugby in the 70s at 5'9" and 11 stone!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 September, 2015, 06:40:57 pm
I have a feeling that Japan will regret that latest decision.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 September, 2015, 06:44:33 pm
How wrong I am!  :D Well, bloody hell!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 19 September, 2015, 07:00:48 pm
That was a stunning match from Japan. Very well done them!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Graeme on 19 September, 2015, 07:05:31 pm
Totally brilliant match!

I wonder if Japan's endurance will be sufficient to take them through the whole tournament. Although RSA lost - they ought to be consistently tough to the end of this.

Wonderful win for Japan. Yay!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 19 September, 2015, 07:17:47 pm
We have Japan v USA tickets. Thought it might be a dead rubber!

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they are only the fourth different side to beat South Africa at the Rugby World Cup. The others are New Zealand, Australia, England.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Basil on 19 September, 2015, 07:30:13 pm
What happens if the losing side scores 4 tries and loses by a margin smaller than 7 points? Do they get 2 points?

And it has happened already.  Japan 4 points.  S.A. 2 points.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 19 September, 2015, 08:54:15 pm
Guess who made a huuuuggggeeee mistake? I didn't want to watch Japan being trashed, so I didn't watch the match.  :facepalm:

Now I need to find a video replay.

Let's hope they can keep it up. They've lost one advantage, though: they're not going to be underestimated by any more opponents.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 September, 2015, 12:05:19 am
I have just been looking at the World Rankings. For Japan (13) to beat S. Africa (3) is very remarkable. I was wondering where Romania was, and they are 17th. I remember then beating Wales once, about 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 20 September, 2015, 12:31:47 am
The Japan win has helped Wales though.

They have dropped down a place to to third, fifth and sixth in the Top 6 World Cup shocks.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 20 September, 2015, 08:21:39 am
What a great game to set the World cup alight - and for Japan to finish on an excellent try.  Be interesting to see how Scotland cope.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Peter on 20 September, 2015, 10:16:46 am
I can find nothing about the French player's injury.  It looked very bad, though I couldn't work out from the video replay how ithad happened.  Surprised to see them letting him hobble off without a stretcher, though.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 20 September, 2015, 11:47:21 am
Someone in Coventry put £100 on Japan to win. Happy punter!  ;D
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 20 September, 2015, 02:00:33 pm
I can find nothing about the French player's injury.  It looked very bad, though I couldn't work out from the video replay how ithad happened.  Surprised to see them letting him hobble off without a stretcher, though.

Not that I ever like to see anyone get injured but there's a certain karma about Yoann Huget injury, on the grounds that the man shouldn't be at the World Cup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK9n2tjvxB8
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 September, 2015, 03:16:38 pm
That was horrible. Which match was that?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 20 September, 2015, 03:34:02 pm
That was horrible. Which match was that?

Toulouse vs Bordeaux Begles back in May.  As far as I know he wasn't cited and received no punishment.

His world cup is over, he has a cruciate ligament injury.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 20 September, 2015, 07:07:52 pm
I've never been a glory-hunting NZ fan-boi,  but:

Matching boots: class above the rest. Hard to bellieve no other nation does this*



*cue YACF floodgates :P
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Peter on 20 September, 2015, 07:24:40 pm
I agree, style is important.  Shame they didn't just have plain black earguards and thigh bands.  The Welsh (whose kit has suffered badly over recent years) got it wrong again.  One of the many colours you can't put with maroon is scarlet.  Argentina cool as ever.  But most kits (not NZ, obviously,) stop at the ankles, where the sponsored boots completely spoil other good intentions.  It's fine on the radio, of course.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 20 September, 2015, 07:59:19 pm
I've never been a glory-hunting NZ fan-boi,  but:

Matching boots: class above the rest. Hard to bellieve no other nation does this*



*cue YACF floodgates :P

It's the cyclist in you, Matt! If the Velominati did Rugby, NZ would be the style icons.

Back to the rugby, some great stuff from Argentina against NZ. Wales were unconvincing, I thought. I enjoyed Samoa v USA (especially USA's try), but they'll both struggle in this company.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 20 September, 2015, 09:25:09 pm
Looks like the Welsh injury crisis is getting worse after this afternoon's poor performance.

Centre Cory Allen is out of the tournament after "a significant hamstring injury" leaving Wales with only two centres, one of who is Jamie Roberts who may not be fully fit.

At the moment there are only two fit props - Gethin Jenkins and Tomas Francis.  The other three have fairly minor injuries but if at least two of these are not fit for the next match then Gatland will have to make replacements to his tournament squad.  He needs to name four props in his match day squad.

Liam Williams is also a concern - off today with a dead leg.

The Welsh physios are going to be very busy this week!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 20 September, 2015, 11:11:16 pm
Because it's the best rugby stadium in the world and its inclusion was a cornerstone of the English bid.  The WRU agreed to its use provided the English organisers agreed to Wales playing all their pool games in Cardiff - this would have brought big revenue To benefit everyone.  Then England,Wales and Australia got drawn in the same pool and suddenly Wales weren't allowed to play their major pool games in Cardiff any more.  It revealed a lack of integrity, cowardice and the familiar arrogance on the part of the English organisers. 

Hopefully karma will prevail.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/rugby-world-cup/11878660/Rugby-World-Cup-2015-The-Millennium-Stadium-is-a-glorious-stage-but-Welsh-home-advantage-is-unfair.html
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Steph on 21 September, 2015, 02:16:45 am
Yawn. Sod off Torygraph.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 21 September, 2015, 02:54:50 am
Yawn. Sod off Torygraph.

Oliver Brown is a sports writer, I have no idea about his politics, I couldn't give a shit about his politics.  A quick google shows that he also writes for the Sydney Morning Herald, the Vancouver Sun, the National Post, the New Zealand Herald, the Brisbane Times, The Province and The Times South Africa. I have no idea what way these papers lean!  And I couldn't give a fuck! 

I'm talking sport - not politics. 

The article, if you haven't read it, to some extent presents a counter argument to Tewdric's points!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Riggers on 21 September, 2015, 09:10:50 am
Gentleman. I had the privilege of being at the match between South Africa and Japan. I don't really need to say "What a match!" But I will … "What a match!" Everyone thought, "How much can South Africa win by?" but the Japanese played a blinder.

I was also there to hear my wife sing the national anthems, as she and the rest of her choir were invited to sing them for both matches; this and the USA v Somoa.

Six lines for the Japan national anthem, but here's a flavour of South Africa:

Nko si si ke le li A-fri-ka
Ma lu pa ka nyi swu pon dol wa yo
Yi zwa i mi than da zo ye thu
Nko si si ke le la
Thi na lu sa po lwa yo.

Mo re na bo lo ka se tjha ba sa je so
O fe di se din twa les ma tshwe nye ho

The words were broken down for them to (supposedly) make it easier to learn!!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 21 September, 2015, 09:15:56 am
I'm jealous.  As you say, what a match!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 September, 2015, 12:49:49 pm
I used to read the Telegraph regularly. My dad used to buy it, despite hating its politics, because it was cheap and had the most comprehensive sports coverage. There used to be a correspondent calle John Reason, who always seemed to be very anti-Welsh. Mind you, that was in the Edwards/JPR era so almost everyone was who wasn't Welsh themselves.

FWIW I was nattering to the Telegraph's chess correspondent recently. He is a card-carrying member of the Labour Party and went out on the campaign trail for the General Election. He didn't want Corbyn to win.

Back to the rugby!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 21 September, 2015, 01:03:00 pm
Anyone who feels that Wales playing all their pool matches at the Millenium Stadium would not give them a home advantage is either lying or daft! And I can't see how on earth it can be justified - this isn't a World Cup hosted by Wales, or even England AND Wales. It's England only.  There should be no matches in Wales whatsoever, no matter how glorious the MS is. Just like there should be (and are) none in the Stadt de France.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 21 September, 2015, 01:03:25 pm
Because it's the best rugby stadium in the world and its inclusion was a cornerstone of the English bid.  The WRU agreed to its use provided the English organisers agreed to Wales playing all their pool games in Cardiff - this would have brought big revenue To benefit everyone.  Then England,Wales and Australia got drawn in the same pool and suddenly Wales weren't allowed to play their major pool games in Cardiff any more.  It revealed a lack of integrity, cowardice and the familiar arrogance on the part of the English organisers. 

Hopefully karma will prevail.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/rugby-world-cup/11878660/Rugby-World-Cup-2015-The-Millennium-Stadium-is-a-glorious-stage-but-Welsh-home-advantage-is-unfair.html
I cant see much wrong with that analysis. wales are not the hosts, but are getting home advantage.

It would seem a massive shame to not use Cardiff, but I expect other non-host sides would say something similar about their home grounds!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 21 September, 2015, 01:11:20 pm
Anyone who feels that Wales playing all their pool matches at the Millenium Stadium would not give them a home advantage is either lying or daft! And I can't see how on earth it can be justified - this isn't a World Cup hosted by Wales, or even England AND Wales. It's England only.  There should be no matches in Wales whatsoever, no matter how glorious the MS is. Just like there should be (and are) none in the Stadt de France.
It could be critical too, if the battle for Gp A 2nd place is between England and Wales, which goes down to the wire with pts diffs/numbers of tries taken into account... etc
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Riggers on 21 September, 2015, 01:37:52 pm
Boys, boys, boys!

Now then. For anyone interested in singing along with my baby girl, and the other 29,000 + at the Amex Stadium on Saturday, here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ6PO5leJOQ
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: marcusjb on 21 September, 2015, 02:29:40 pm
Well, we just about survived the opening weekend - sorry to hear about the poor chap who fell onto the tracks at the station.

We went to the fanzone on Friday night, down in the deer park and it was great fun (neither of us are big rugby fans and this would be the first time in my life I have ever watched more than a couple of minutes of it on the telly).

The fanzone has a capacity of around 10000 with a little under half of that being in a massive marquee - big screens inside and outside, food stalls, bars, fairground rides for children, a few corporate stands etc. Noticeably little from the rugby people - stuff to get kids playing etc.

The idea is to take some pressure off Twickenham's pubs on the way to the stadium from Richmond and then give non ticket holders and locals a place to watch games etc.

It was good fun and highly recommended for anyone in SW london who wants to watch a match with a good atmosphere etc. Lots of singing and cheering and a properly lively feel to it all.  Twickenham itself was brilliant on Friday night and bands etc. in the pubs made for a great start to the competition.

Interestingly, today we got leaflets through the door about the annual rugby sevens thing which has been the source of much friction with the locals as it attracts a very different crowd to internationals etc. with it's fancy dress themes etc.  The capacity has been slashed to 35000 (with 5000 more tickets for locals), no fancy dress, very limited bar times etc.  The person falling from the stadium this year probably didn't help their cause either.  The leaflet suggests a rebranding as a family day out is also underway.  It had gotten out of control it seems.

Anyway - another 9 weeks or whatever to go and it's all good fun so far.  We will go to the fanzone again for the matches when Ireland progress to the latter stages and I have to flip allegiance to Mrs. JB's nation (well she's USanian, but we were amazed to hear they had even heard of rugby, let alone had a team in this competition, so she's sticking with her roots and supporting Ireland).  From what we understand, we probably won't have to make that commitment for England!  We will also make use of the local pub entertainment and food offerings - paella bars seem to be the big deal this year, along with the usual hog roasts etc.

All good fun - apart from the falling in front of a train thing of course.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LEE on 21 September, 2015, 09:59:23 pm
This bonus points mallarkey is new to me.

It was new to Billie Vunipola as well.  Apparently he had no idea his try was worth an extra point.
If that is so, then that's shamefully poor team preparation.
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I thought the super-slo-mo of the disallowed Fiji Try was amazing.  Watching Mike Brown's last-ditch grab, that just dislodged the ball, showed what an incredible all-round asset he is.

There are some seriously big feckers in the game now aren't there?  The Fiji #11 was bloody enormous.  What's more they are huge without the Beer guts of old.  Not so sure I fancy getting hit by 19 stone travelling only slightly slower than Usain Bolt.

I'm pretty sure we have discussed this at some length. The combined increase in size and speed of the modern players, as well as the greater number of international matches, will lead to many careers cut short by injury and some seriously crocked middle-aged men when they retire.

A young Bille Vunipola and his team mates (none of whom looked forward to tackling practice I imagine).

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/19/article-2467853-18D6873F00000578-508_634x462.jpg)

Hard not to be reminded of Jonah Lomu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPMZrPjW5cs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPMZrPjW5cs)

I think this is the point I realised the game had changed, when someone that big could run the 100m in <11 seconds.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 21 September, 2015, 10:10:54 pm
Billy V is the same height (188cm) as me, but 126kg - so that's an extra 50kg of probably mostly muscle...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 21 September, 2015, 10:12:46 pm
There used to be a correspondent calle John Reason, who always seemed to be very anti-Welsh. Mind you, that was in the Edwards/JPR era so almost everyone was who wasn't Welsh themselves.

I call tedious bigotry on that one.

Watched Wales several times in that era and there was full and proper respect for what was an outstanding rugby team.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LEE on 21 September, 2015, 10:15:16 pm
Billy V is the same height (188cm) as me, but 126kg - so that's an extra 50kg of probably mostly muscle...

Uini Atonio is 198cm and 152kg

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZN8x_oBwymA/UccNT_pIKtI/AAAAAAAABxk/PksNZ-QfPwA/s1600/uini+antonio.jpg)

Best just to let him carry on and not get in his way
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 21 September, 2015, 10:45:08 pm
From Rugby Onslaught:-

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The prevailing narrative surrounding the size of professional rugby players is one of ever increasing mass.

It was with this in mind that Rugby Onslaught went about comparing England's 2003 World Cup winnng side with today's crop of players heading into the 2015 tournament.

And then something very odd started happening.

The 2003 team seemed to be heavier.

The maths weren't lying either. The 2003 weighed a total of 1537.2kg or 102.4kg per man - 4kgs heavier than the 2015 team that played Ireland, who weighed in at a total of 1533kg or 102.2kg a man - roughly 200g per man lighter than their 2003 predecessors.

The 2003 pack weighed an average of 111.3kg (17st7Ib), which was slightly lighter than the 112.1kg (17st9Ibs) pack of the 20015 side.

The only area of the modern team consistently heavier than the 2003 team was the backrow, where the 2003 gave away a total of  25kg to their modern day equivalents.

PS: So after 12 years, the England team have not gained in mass, despite a groundswell of opinion that would suggest otherwise. Yes, it's a comparison between a relatively small cross section of players, but interesting none-the-less.

Loosehead:
2003: Trevor Woodman 111kg
2015: Joe Marler 117kg
Hooker:
2003: Steve Thompson 118kg
2015: Tom Youngs 101kg
Tighthead:
2003: Phil Vickery: 125kg
2015: Dan Cole: 118kg
Loosehead secondrow:
2003: Martin Johnson: 118kg
2015: Geoff Parling: 117kg
Tighthead secondrow:
2003: Ben Kay: 112kg
2015: Courtney Lawes: 111kg
Blindside:
2003: Richard Hill 102kg
2015: Tom Wood 107kg
Openside:
2003: Neil Back 93kg
2015: Chris Robshaw 109kg
Number 8:
2003: Lawrence Dallaglio 112kg
2015: Ben Morgan 116kg
Scrumhalf:
2003: Matt Dawson 83.2kg
2015: Ben Youngs 92kg
Outhalf:
2003: Jonny Wilkinson 89kg
2015: George Ford 84kg
Left wing:
2003: Ben Cohen 103kg
2015: Jonny May 90kg
Inside centre:
2003: Mike Tindall 102kg
2015: Brad Barritt 96kg
Outside centre:
2003: Will Greenwood 100kg
2015: Jonathan Joseph 90kg
Right wing:
2003: Jason Robinson 82kg
2015: Anthony Watson 93kg
Fullback:
2003: Josh Lewsey 87kg
2015: Mike Brown 92kg

Probably more accurate if you ignore the diferences between Chris Robshaw / Neil Back and Anthony Watson / Jason Robinson.  Robshaw and Watson are not huge individuals but Back and Robinson were short arses in their position even for that time.
 
I read somewhere else [I can't remember where] that the increase in bulk increased drastically in the years initially following the game going professional but is now slowing down. 
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 21 September, 2015, 11:20:39 pm
I read somewhere else [I can't remember where] that the increase in bulk increased drastically in the years initially following the game going professional but is now slowing down.

Yes, I've read that too over the last couple of days.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 September, 2015, 11:22:35 pm
There used to be a correspondent calle John Reason, who always seemed to be very anti-Welsh. Mind you, that was in the Edwards/JPR era so almost everyone was who wasn't Welsh themselves.

I call tedious bigotry on that one.

Watched Wales several times in that era and there was full and proper respect for what was an outstanding rugby team.

Well, I call one-eyed twattery.

I recall, with great amusement, the BBC lining up in the studio the entire England team that had last won in Cardiff before 26 (or something) years without an England wins. Must have been about 1987 or 89. Can't remember ('89, on checking the results). They were itching for an England win which is bloody poor from the British Broadcasting Corporation. I think England were after the grand slam as well. The two Roberts, Norster and Jones, played them out of the game. Hoist, petard.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 22 September, 2015, 12:18:32 am
There used to be a correspondent calle John Reason, who always seemed to be very anti-Welsh. Mind you, that was in the Edwards/JPR era so almost everyone was who wasn't Welsh themselves.

I call tedious bigotry on that one.

Watched Wales several times in that era and there was full and proper respect for what was an outstanding rugby team.

Well, I call one-eyed twattery.

I recall, with great amusement, the BBC lining up in the studio the entire England team that had last won in Cardiff before 26 (or something) years without an England wins. Must have been about 1987 or 89. Can't remember ('89, on checking the results). They were itching for an England win which is bloody poor from the British Broadcasting Corporation. I think England were after the grand slam as well. The two Roberts, Norster and Jones, played them out of the game. Hoist, petard.

You probably do recall, with great amusement.

Tedious bigotry.

(Wales will probably beat England. That will be fun!)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 22 September, 2015, 03:23:10 am
There used to be a correspondent calle John Reason, who always seemed to be very anti-Welsh. Mind you, that was in the Edwards/JPR era so almost everyone was who wasn't Welsh themselves.

I call tedious bigotry on that one.

Watched Wales several times in that era and there was full and proper respect for what was an outstanding rugby team.

Well, I call one-eyed twattery.

I recall, with great amusement, the BBC lining up in the studio the entire England team that had last won in Cardiff before 26 (or something) years without an England wins. Must have been about 1987 or 89. Can't remember ('89, on checking the results). They were itching for an England win which is bloody poor from the British Broadcasting Corporation. I think England were after the grand slam as well. The two Roberts, Norster and Jones, played them out of the game. Hoist, petard.


Well, trying to avoid being a bigot or a twat [but perhaps a bit pedantic and with a definate pro-England stance], in my mind the "Edwards/JPR" era must have ran from 1967 [Edwards' first cap] to 1981 [JPR's last cap].  Comparatively, the 80's was a relatively poor period for Welsh rugby, although they continued to do reasonably well against England [their biggest win being by 13 points in 1987].  Throughout the 80's Wales won seven games to England's three with one draw.

So, due to the apparently incredible efforts of second row and scrum half, in 1989 Wales beat England by 3 points.  However, in 1990 England beat Wales by 34-6, in 1991 25-6, in 1992 24-0.  Wales won again by a point in 1993 and since then England have won nineteen games to Wales' eight.  So the England team's revival story as presented by the BBC was perhaps a year later than scheduled but being hoisted on their own petard has probably helped raise England to a much higher altitude, including winning the World Cup.

I'm guessing that BBC Wales wasn't available in Southend in 1989!  I wonder what their version of the story was!

On the subject of bias pro/con England/Wales,  - the 24th Regiment of Foot that fought at the Battle of Rorke's Drift was an English Regiment.  It's proper title was the 24th (The 2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot. The highest proportion of nationalities in the regiment were English and it didn't become the South Wales Borderers until 1881. Proud Welsh man Stanley Baker would have it that they sang "Men of Harlech" as portrayed in the film "Zulu" but ..... what you see on a screen isn't neccessarily the truth, it didn't happen, but it makes a good story!.

So back to the BBC in 1989, perhaps they were working on a good story ["England win after 26[?] years....."] etc but in that year it was not to be!

On a different tack, I was in Harrogate back in the summer and chatting to the bar maid in the hotel: It turned out that her ex-husband, a Welsh man, was in the South Wales Borderers and his surname was Chard.  His distant ancestor was Lt John Chard [an Englishman] who commanded at Rorke's Drift.  I got up a photo of Lt Chard on my phone from Wikipedia and we compared it to a photo she had of her ex and her son.  The likeness was incredible!

Anyway, my ramblings over, back to rugby!  COME ON ENGLAND!!!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 22 September, 2015, 08:15:17 am
First of all, though - come on Scotland!

Although it does seem a bit unfair on the Japanese that they have four days to recover after a very tough match whilst the Scots have it as their first match. We applied for tickets for this match, but didn't get them. Probably just as well as we wouldn't have been able to go anyway, with work commitments getting in the way.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 22 September, 2015, 12:35:33 pm
One things certain, Scotland won't take the Japanese lightly.

Somehow, I can't see the Japs repeating their stunning victory but you never know.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 22 September, 2015, 01:04:25 pm
Although it does seem a bit unfair on the Japanese that they have four days to recover after a very tough match whilst the Scots have it as their first match.
I presume this is inevitable with 5-team groups?

I also suspect JPvsSCO is quite a close match just in world ranking terms - arent they roughly 3 spots apart? It should certainly be the top game of early Wednesday afternoon!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 22 September, 2015, 01:48:56 pm
Just looked at the IRB rankings, Japan have just gone up from 13th to 11th, Scotland have dropped from 10th to 12th. 

So Japan are the favourites!

South Africa have dropped from 3rd to 6th and Georgia have overtaken Italy. 

http://www.worldrugby.org/rankings
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 22 September, 2015, 02:27:46 pm
First of all, though - come on Scotland!
I'm cheering on Japan, in honour of Mrs B.
日本, 日本!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 22 September, 2015, 02:47:31 pm
日本, 日本!

That's easy for you to say!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Riggers on 22 September, 2015, 02:59:51 pm
I'm in a quandary …

My wife is half Singaporean (so obvs I support Japan, them being in a similar global region) makes sense to me.

Scottish on my Grandad's side (he of Duncan McVicar Kerr) so should support Scotland I suppose.

I think I'll hedge my bets, and wait to see who's going to win, then decide.

Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: madcow on 22 September, 2015, 03:03:44 pm
Billy V is the same height (188cm) as me, but 126kg - so that's an extra 50kg of probably mostly muscle...

Uini Atonio is 198cm and 152kg

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZN8x_oBwymA/UccNT_pIKtI/AAAAAAAABxk/PksNZ-QfPwA/s1600/uini+antonio.jpg)

Best just to let him carry on and not get in his way

Get 'em round the legs and they soon fall over. The bigger they are the harder the fall.
There is too much emphasis on body tackles because it stops the player offloading the ball .

Did anyone see the Panorama programme last night about concussion in rugby  and NFL players?

riggers-definitely Scotland. Blood is thicker than water and there is a lot of water between Japan and Singapore. Even though I am English as far back as I can discover, I shall be rooting for Scotland.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Riggers on 22 September, 2015, 04:07:59 pm
Och-aye.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Basil on 22 September, 2015, 04:12:52 pm
Yes, I have the Who Do I Support problem.  Particularly in the Six Nations. 
My mum is Scottish.  They are my team of choice.
My dad didn't help by being nominally 'British'.  He was actually born in Berlin.  (Not great  any time he had to fill in forms in the army during the war.)
I was born in London and have never lived in Scotland.  I suspect that makes me English.
Mrs. B's family are of Irish extraction.  Seems that with the Irish in particular, it doesn't matter how many generations ago that was, you never loose your national identity
I live in Wales.  It is impossible to live here and not get carried along on on the tsunami of passion and great history of Welsh rugby.

That leaves Italy and France.
Well, in the spirit of good old British support for the underdog I always wished them well.  But they're getting better now, and beating Scotland at Murrayfield was just beyond the pale.
I did live in France for a few years and during that time my affections obviously drifted that was.  But that was a long time ago now.
Sorry France.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 22 September, 2015, 04:29:49 pm
I read somewhere else [I can't remember where] that the increase in bulk increased drastically in the years initially following the game going professional but is now slowing down.

Yes, I've read that too over the last couple of days.

Found the article, some interesting stats on other aspects of the game as well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34290980
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: groucho on 22 September, 2015, 04:52:21 pm
Off to watch Scotland v Japan, tomorrow #twitchy

BTW - born in Scotland of English parents...lived there for 12 years...called 'aggis at school in Pompey...married a Yorkshire lass... lived in Wales for 30 years...never seen Scotland win at Arms Park, Twickenham or Millennium Stadium. #firsttime

..and little brother is marrying a Japanese lass on 11th October...Mrs g & self off to Japan on 7th!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 22 September, 2015, 04:59:10 pm
A mate has just written on Twitter that he's off to the match tomorrow to watch Scotland do a giant killing act.

Seems fair!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 22 September, 2015, 09:19:03 pm
Off to watch Scotland v Japan, tomorrow #twitchy
...
..and little brother is marrying a Japanese lass on 11th October...Mrs g & self off to Japan on 7th!
Your brother has good taste. Where in Japan?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 September, 2015, 02:40:24 am
It would seem my current local side good a proper thrashing from the Irish :-\
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 23 September, 2015, 03:06:46 pm
15 minutes in to the game - Japan leading 7 to 6 against the play, are they going to do it again?

Edit - Their lead didn't last long - now 12-7 to Scotland.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 23 September, 2015, 04:33:15 pm
Well the final scoreline certainly didn't reflect the first 3/4 of the game.

An enjoyable game to watch, both sides played well and Scotland seemed to just have the edge for much of the game.

At 53 minutes in the score was 17-10 to Scotland and Japan were awarded a penalty.  They went for the kick and three points instead of the try.  They were obviously still confident of a possible win at this stage as this decision shows that they were trying to build a score with plenty of time to go.

Unfotunately for Japan, the kick was missed and Scotland then let rip, scoring four more converted tries before the end of the game.  The very short break from their last match [four days] couldn't have helped Japan but it was really good to see them giving everything at the end of the game, being unlucky not to get a try.

Well done to both sides.

And now....COME ON FIJI!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 24 September, 2015, 08:19:12 pm
7% of ITV viewers believe Namibia will win their opening game.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Peter on 24 September, 2015, 10:01:01 pm
Well done Namibia, that was very courageous and no humiliation at all.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Pancho on 26 September, 2015, 03:47:28 pm
I hate spending a sunny day indoors but looks like I've got a day of rugger on the box to keep me nailed to the sofa.

I'm supporting Canada for this one.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 September, 2015, 09:45:25 pm
Anyone got any nails left?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 26 September, 2015, 09:49:18 pm
I said at the pub it'd be close. I wasn't believed.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 September, 2015, 09:56:20 pm
Who did they think would win easily then?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 26 September, 2015, 10:07:11 pm
I'd guess England. I overheard another bloke saying he'd a tenner on 38-18.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LEE on 26 September, 2015, 10:07:36 pm
I said at the pub it'd be close. I wasn't believed.

I don't know anyone who didn't think it would be close.

That was a game of two halves alright.

Now the big sponsors, and ITV, are having nightmares about the home side going out early, it's always a financial disaster when it happens.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 September, 2015, 10:23:45 pm
I certainly thought it was always too close to call. That's one reason I rather like the consolation point if you lose a close match. Rugby's scoring system can often lead to a "we woz robbed" scenario.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Pancho on 26 September, 2015, 10:43:56 pm
I said at the pub it'd be close. I wasn't believed.

I don't know anyone who didn't think it would be close.

That was a game of two halves alright.

Now the big sponsors, and ITV, are having nightmares about the home side going out early, it's always a financial disaster when it happens.

They've almost certainly hedged that possibility.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 26 September, 2015, 11:32:03 pm
As much as it hurts - well done, Wales!


Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 26 September, 2015, 11:59:33 pm
That was always on the cards, and well done Wales for playing it properly.

Having heard Sir Clive W talk about management and what he did with England to win the World Cup I wonder exactly what is going on in the England camp.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 September, 2015, 01:05:40 am
I think the media touting this as "the most important meeting ever" between England and Wales was utter rot. Neither side is good enough, in my view, to win the world cup, so relatively little hinges on this game. Both sides, whatever the result, still have a chance to qualify for the later stages. I think Australia have always been favourites to win the group, but it's perfectly possible, indeed, given their injuries, you could say relatively likely, for Wales not to qualify, despite today's result. If that happens today's game will be very quickly forgotten.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Steph on 27 September, 2015, 04:33:22 am
I was listening to this on internet radio. English version? Excited. English language Welsh version? Somewhat...partial. Cymraeg? Absolutely no doubt where their sympathies lay. Some of the 'secondary' comments consisted entirely of happy screaming.

What a result. Looking forward to watching the highlights tomorrow.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 September, 2015, 01:39:45 pm
That's an unusual score: Australia have, with only 10 minutes to go, notched up 53 points without kicking a penalty.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 27 September, 2015, 02:17:07 pm
That's an unusual score: Australia have, with only 10 minutes to go, notched up 53 points without kicking a penalty.
Maybe they had no faith in their kicker!  (he only slotted 5/11 conversions I think. that's pretty low for a quality side, isnt it?)

But not taking pens seems like the %age strategy,  if you're aiming for (and confident of) a big total. Surely?

(I guess the edge case might be penalties that are dead central, and close to the half-way line.)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 September, 2015, 02:31:19 pm
Final score 65 - 3 with no penalties kicked. Surely a record?

Meanwhile, I have found out that the Samoan scrum half Mike Stanley used to play for Southend. Well there's a thing.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 September, 2015, 09:21:47 am
Mrs. Wow and I have just taken our GD to school. It was, unbeknownst to us, Rugby day, and all the staff and several of the children were dressed in bits of rugby kit. Different members of staff were dressed in different countries' kit, but I didn't see anyone dressed as Wales. I didn't have the heart to ask why, but I did hum "Bread of Heaven" quite audibly.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: groucho on 28 September, 2015, 10:45:29 am
Off to watch Scotland v Japan, tomorrow #twitchy
...
..and little brother is marrying a Japanese lass on 11th October...Mrs g & self off to Japan on 7th!
Your brother has good taste. Where in Japan?

Fukuoka initially then off to Beppu for ceremonies.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LEE on 28 September, 2015, 11:58:51 am
Final score 65 - 3 with no penalties kicked. Surely a record?

Meanwhile, I have found out that the Samoan scrum half Mike Stanley used to play for Southend. Well there's a thing.

Perhaps they used hollowed out tree-trunks, to fashion primitive canoes, before setting out on their dangerous voyage to Southend.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 28 September, 2015, 12:47:36 pm
I'd like to think England have a chance of beating Aus, but somehow...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 28 September, 2015, 02:54:07 pm
Fiji have a good chance of beating Wales, with all the Welsh injuries, but somehow......
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 28 September, 2015, 03:22:56 pm
Fiji have a good chance of beating Wales, with all the Welsh injuries, but somehow......
Well if WE couldnt beat Wales with all their injuries ... !

(More seriously) we certainly could beat Australia, and I think the bonus point situation is looking good; so its not all over yet. (I am certainly not betting on us beating AUS).
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Peter on 28 September, 2015, 03:37:22 pm
It occurs to me that within 50 years all international RU plays might be Samoan or Fijian.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jakob on 29 September, 2015, 09:30:35 am
Fiji have a good chance of beating Wales, with all the Welsh injuries, but somehow......
Well if WE couldnt beat Wales with all their injuries ... !

(More seriously) we certainly could beat Australia, and I think the bonus point situation is looking good; so its not all over yet. (I am certainly not betting on us beating AUS).

Wow, are you on on the English Rugby Team?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 September, 2015, 09:37:42 am
Fiji have a good chance of beating Wales, with all the Welsh injuries, but somehow......
Well if WE couldnt beat Wales with all their injuries ... !

(More seriously) we certainly could beat Australia, and I think the bonus point situation is looking good; so its not all over yet. (I am certainly not betting on us beating AUS).

Wow, are you on on the English Rugby Team?

Certainly not! Go and wash your mouth out!  :P
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: madcow on 29 September, 2015, 10:31:12 am
Mrs. Wow and I have just taken our GD to school. It was, unbeknownst to us, Rugby day, and all the staff and several of the children were dressed in bits of rugby kit. Different members of staff were dressed in different countries' kit, but I didn't see anyone dressed as Wales. I didn't have the heart to ask why, but I did hum "Bread of Heaven" quite audibly.

Could be
(a)because they all hate Wales after last Saturday. Indoctrination starts early -get them young and you have them for life.
(b) Wales ain't really forrin enough for them
(c) their map of the U.K doesn't feature Wales , just a blob with "there be dragons " scrawled across it.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: HTFB on 29 September, 2015, 11:33:32 am
I suspect a lot of the English are very ready to cheer on Wales as at least their second-choice team. I come down for England, possibly because the Beloved Stoker is still loyal to the ghost of Johnny Wilkinson, but it's a close thing. The Wales pack last year was a thing of beauty.

At Oxford for a reunion this weekend the strict etiquette of a College Dinner was compromised by a truly shameful number of mobile phones not only switched on but openly on the tables screening the game. And the majority hope was for a Wales win.

You'd expect Professor Emeritus D Welsh (by name, by nature, and a keen former player) to end the meal beaming (mostly) from joy--and unsteady on his feet (mostly) from age--not to mention Anna Jones (née Rees), Stephen Davies, or Nicola Evans. Rebecca Thomas wasn't there: long ago the rowing club banned her from listening to the radio on match days, because a Wales loss made her too upset to cox. But basically the whole table, Fernandes, Curthoys, Stacey and all, was rooting for the men in red.

The Rev'd Canon Dr S Jones had found room in the order of service at the memorial Evensong for Guide me, O thou great Redeemer but somehow not for any Spirituals about the river Jordan. So we were all clear on whose side God was.

(For Oxonians: No, it wasn't at Jesus College, either.)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Basil on 29 September, 2015, 03:04:24 pm
At Long Itchington at the weekend, the back room of the pub (our Skills Share area) was invaded by people wanting to watch the England/Wales game.
The room became very crowded after Charlotte had packed away her axes and other assorted sharps (They'd kept well away up until then  ;D )  At a point when Wales scored there was a shriek of "Yessssss!" from the back of the room.  The whole room of England shirt wearing locals turned round to glare.
Mrs. B shrank into her seat.  "Oh my god", she muttered to me, "I'm turning native"
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 September, 2015, 03:51:21 pm
At Long Itchington at the weekend, the back room of the pub (our Skills Share area) was invaded by people wanting to watch the England/Wales game.
The room became very crowded after Charlotte had packed away her axes and other assorted sharps (They'd kept well away up until then  ;D )  At a point when Wales scored there was a shriek of "Yessssss!" from the back of the room.  The whole room of England shirt wearing locals turned round to glare.
Mrs. B shrank into her seat.  "Oh my god", she muttered to me, "I'm turning native"

That is excellent! Well done Mrs. B!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 07:50:08 am
Interesting match in prospect today. I have been looking at the two sides' records. Fiji have beaten Wales once and drawn once. Wales have won 8 times, the last occasion being a year ago at Cardiff when the score was 17 - 13.

Could go either way.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Basil on 01 October, 2015, 08:50:07 am
There seem to be a surprising number of Fiji supporters in Brum.   :-X
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 08:53:06 am
Shouldn't they be in Cardiff?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 01 October, 2015, 12:30:24 pm
There seem to be a surprising number of Fiji supporters in Brum.   :-X

I think there's a surprising amount of Fiji supporters across the whole of England!!

Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 01 October, 2015, 12:54:27 pm
I am a Fiji supporter. For today!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 01:43:28 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/oct/01/the-breakdown-rugby-world-cup-warren-gatland-wales-stuart-lancaster

An interesting piece about last week's England - Wales match, and the respective coaches. According to that, Robshaw made his decision (OK, he consulted others, but as captain he must take responsibility) not to kick just on hope - compared to New Zealand in a comparable position against South Africa. The implication is that insufficient thought, and preparation, had been given to eventualities like this. Had a move been planned, then the coach and captain would not have been, apparently, singing from different song sheets.

It was said upthread that Vunipola was unaware that his try would net England a bonus point in the opening match. Can that really be true? Is preparation for international matches really this poor?

My own view is that Robshaw, and presumably the rest of the team, was still stuck in a "winning" mindset and had not adjusted psychologically to being behind for the first time since the opening minutes of the match. It's a well-known phenomenon that it is psychologically very difficult to adjust to a new situation (in this case, being behind) when it arises. One's expectations are still with a situation that has suddenly gone, and his objectivity went with it.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 01 October, 2015, 02:42:51 pm
I think he very much appreciated that they were behind, but didn't fully appreciate that the consequences of a draw (which he could have almost guaranteed, and which would have depended only on his kicker's skill) were far preferable to the consequences of a loss (over which the entire Welsh team had an influence as a result of the kick to the corner). Either way, and with other evidence that you suggest, it does kind of feel like they haven't been prepared to consider all possibilities and to understand the ramifications of their actions within this competition.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 02:52:44 pm
Obviously, the scoreboard will have told them the score, but it can take a while for the brain to adjust to the change of expectation from the match. Robshaw's decision was in keeping with that known phenomenon.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 04:35:11 pm
OK, what are people's predictions for this match? I shall stick my head on the block and say a Wales win but by fewer than 7 points. I won't be surprised if I am wrong. ;D
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 01 October, 2015, 04:37:24 pm
25-10 to Wales.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 01 October, 2015, 05:36:32 pm
What a cracking match! I think Wales' fitness and confidence might mean they destroy Fiji in the last quarter, but up to now it's been very exciting stuff. 
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 01 October, 2015, 05:40:31 pm
17-6 to Wales at half time.  Both sides playing some very good rugby with Fiji playing as Fiji do and looking very dangerous at times.  For the most part Wales are managing to counter this but their scrum is really struggling.

I'm going to go with 30-12 in Wales favour but..... Come on, Fiji!!!!!!

Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 01 October, 2015, 05:43:49 pm
How did England end up in a 'group of death', whereas NZ seem to be in a 'group of life' relatively?   Just chance, or was simply England being too low in the rankings at a specific time?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 06:00:10 pm
Judging by the Graun's "live" text, Wales are riding their luck. I don't have a telly or a licence, so this is what I'm reduced to (plus YACF of course!).
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 06:02:47 pm
Ooo err and bugger!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 01 October, 2015, 06:04:21 pm
How did England end up in a 'group of death', whereas NZ seem to be in a 'group of life' relatively?   Just chance, or was simply England being too low in the rankings at a specific time?
Dunno. But the fact is that Wales beat us. If we'd played them in the Semis there is no reason to imagine a different outcome.

Meanwhile ...Cracking match. 4 points in it, Fiji jhave just scored the try of the tournament from a Cuthbert fumble.

COME ON FIJI !!!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 01 October, 2015, 06:07:50 pm
"Wales mustn't get dragged into a game of sevens" - but they are struggling to get a platform up front.

What a game!  Come on Fiji!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 06:14:09 pm
There was a Graun piece I read today which was saying how well Fiji's scrum had performed in their two previous matches. Not consistently well, but on some scrums/lineouts they had embarrassed both England and Australia. And England, of course, dominated Wales in the set play last week.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 01 October, 2015, 06:17:37 pm
<gogles>
According to WalesOnline,  the GofD is Wales' fault,  abnd WarrenG started moaning back in 2012:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/how-wales-end-up-same-9887142
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 01 October, 2015, 06:18:03 pm
There was a Graun piece I read today which was saying how well Fiji's scrum had performed in their two previous matches. Not consistently well, but on some scrums/lineouts they had embarrassed both England and Australia. And England, of course, dominated Wales in the set play last week.

You obviously can't see it but the Welsh pack are getting shunted off the ball at the scrum.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 06:22:37 pm
Quote from: Graun
Biggar hasn’t missed a kick throughout the entire tournament and he was not going to start doing so now.

That's tempting providence! Deliberately so? The commentator is Ian McCourt, which implies Scottish.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 06:23:22 pm
10 point lead with 10 minutes left? That should be enough, surely? Oh, wait...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 06:40:41 pm
Oh well, that's a relief. How many kicks did the Fijian kicker miss?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 01 October, 2015, 06:43:15 pm
Game of the tournament so far!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 06:43:55 pm
Better than SA v Japan?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 06:48:31 pm
<gogles>
According to WalesOnline,  the GofD is Wales' fault,  abnd WarrenG started moaning back in 2012:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/how-wales-end-up-same-9887142

So it was clearly a cunning and far-sighted Welsh ploy to upset the English, and so far it seems to be working. :P

You just can't trust those boyos from the other side of Offa's dyke.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 01 October, 2015, 06:52:59 pm
 That was a really good game, and there was no reason for Wales to be complacent at any time (they weren't). Fiji outplayed them in the scrum, and when given the opportunity, their running game was scintillating. But Wales were fitter, more accurate, and they started with a huge degree of confidence - which did get somewhat dented as time went on!

No, it didn't have the shock quality of Japan - RSA, but it was non-stop entertainment. Everything a World Cup match should be. It does go to show that it's not just the three main Southern Hemisphere nations, plus the old 5 Nations participants any more. There's quality in depth in this competition.

Edit for iPad stupid spell-corrections.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 06:55:16 pm
I shall look out for the highlights.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 01 October, 2015, 07:04:57 pm
25-10 to Wales.


There may be a job for me at Ladbrokes! ;D
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 07:11:46 pm
OK, so now for the permutations that could stop Wales from qualifying.

1. Wales must lose to Australia by at least 7 points and not score 4 tries.

2. England need to beat Uruguay by a hat-full to get a better points difference than Wales and:

a) Beat Australia

b) draw with Australia

c) lose to Australia by fewer than 7 points whilst scoring 4 or more tries.

I think that covers most scenarios, but the potential bonus points make the whole thing far harder to calculate.

Wales are by no means certain of qualifying, because I would say that it was certainty that England will put at least 50 points past Uruguay. Wales' injury list and inadequate scrum will surely make AUS hot favourites to win that game, and by quite a wide margin. I think they are probably favourites against England as well.

Of course, the "dream ticket" is England and Wales both beating AUS and sending the buggers home early. Something tells me that that is unlikely.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 01 October, 2015, 07:21:26 pm
We haven't seen enough of Australia to really get a feel for how they'll fare, but past long-term form would suggest they're likely to beat both England and Wales. England will have home advantage, whereas I believe today was Wales' last game in the Millenium Stadium. Ok, none of the grounds they're likely to play in is far for the Wales supporters, but it could be a factor. I'd guess that the context of this competition could give both England and Wales sufficient motivation to run Australia very close, and possibly win. It is still conceivable that Australia could go out!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 01 October, 2015, 07:26:39 pm
My hunch is that there are holes in your analysis,  but I really dont care, as:
- wales are pretty damn likely to qualify now, and
- We may as well all wait for the Eng-AUS result. And
- Frankly england are strong favourites to finish 3rd at this stage, and only an unlikely win against AUS will change that!

More importantly, is it the case that Eng are safe if they win their last two? it seems that way. Perhaps Wow could help us out and run the perms ... ;)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 07:58:06 pm
England's bonus point against Fiji could come in very useful - neither Wales nor Australia managed one. You would certainly expect them to get another against Uruguay. Remember that Wales started off very weakly against Uruguay (6 - 0 down) and scored 50-odd points in the last hour or so. If England get off to a flyer then they could wipe out Wales' points-difference advantage quite quickly.

The order of matches helps England. If they beat Aus I think they are hot favourites to qualify ahead of Wales. Even if they lose to Aus they will start their Uruguay match after the Wales / Aus encounter finishes, so they will know exactly how many points they have to score in order to qualify, assuming they still can. This is also to Australia's disadvantage should they beat England but lose to Wales. I'm a bit surprised the organisers allow the final group matches to be played consecutively - is it not the case that in the 6 Nations the final round games are played simultaneously?

I think Wales will finish on 13 points, which is what they've got. England are surely assured of 5 points from the Uruguay match, taking them to 11. If they can take 2 match-points or more from Aus this coming Saturday then I would say that they are favourites to take a qualifying place and Wales / Aus will be playing their own "final" on Saturday next weekend. If England get only 1 point against Aus then their bonus point v Fiji means they can still qualify if Aus beat Wales by more than 7 points.

I think that's all correct, but will be quite happy for someone more familiar with the new-fangled scoring system to offer corrections. I think this group has a long way to go yet, and exposes the utter nonsense being spouted by some in the media who were trying to hype the England-Wales match as "the most important ever" between the two sides.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 09:14:19 pm
Canada are were not allowing France to have it all their own way.

Edited in light of events.  :P
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 01 October, 2015, 10:08:21 pm
... is it not the case that in the 6 Nations the final round games are played simultaneously?

No, the final Saturday they are played consecutively eg

19/03/2016   14:30 - Wales v Italy / 17:00 - Ireland v Scotland / 20:00 - France v England
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Andrew Br on 01 October, 2015, 10:25:08 pm
Two entertaining games this evening.
I hope that the rugby "powerhouses" find time in their programmes to invite some of the "lesser" nations to compete against them more frequently and meaningfully.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 01 October, 2015, 11:52:19 pm
Off to watch Scotland v Japan, tomorrow #twitchy
...
..and little brother is marrying a Japanese lass on 11th October...Mrs g & self off to Japan on 7th!
Your brother has good taste. Where in Japan?

Fukuoka initially then off to Beppu for ceremonies.
Ah. Never been down that way. Closest to Kyushu I've been is Himeji, a bit west of Kobe.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 October, 2015, 12:12:50 am
Two entertaining games this evening.
I hope that the rugby "powerhouses" find time in their programmes to invite some of the "lesser" nations to compete against them more frequently and meaningfully.

Well, because of the World Cup we have not been treated to the usual round of Autumn Internationals (I am assuming that they won't happen later) but it seems that in recent years the number of sides being invited over to Europe to play has increased, as have the number of European teams who are involved. I have to say that that is purely an impression and I have not checked the details.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 02 October, 2015, 06:29:58 am
Phew!  Banana skin avoided.

Now COME ON AUSTRALIA!

:)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: bikenrrd on 02 October, 2015, 07:47:10 am
Luckily I married into a Welsh family so the World Cup will continue to be interesting after Saturday!

Of course, the best scenario is for England to beat Australia and both Wales and England going through, but I can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 October, 2015, 09:36:44 am
I still think this group will go to the wire with England trying to rack up a large number of points againt Uruguay to overhaul Wales on points difference. I am somehow reminded of the England fupbol team's game against San Marino, or some other minnow side, and conceding a goal after 15 seconds. They still won 6 - 1* or something, but it was just one goal short of what was required to qualify for the later stages.

Edit: of course, Wales going 6 - 0 down against Uruguay could easily be their "San Marino moment" and cost them their place in the finals.

*England 7 - 1 San Marino, 1993.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 02 October, 2015, 10:31:19 am
At least England know what they have to do now.  :P

Having heard Sir Clive talk a week ago about management, and in particular exactly how to prepare for scenarios like the kick or touch one last Saturday, I echo Wow's thoughts questioning England's management and preparation.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 02 October, 2015, 02:04:42 pm
The Haka, howay

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-34425092
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 02 October, 2015, 03:56:32 pm
It is possible... for England, remembering:

England 26-17 Australia: Ben Morgan scores twice in victory   Nov 2014
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/30236644

and, since 2010 England have beaten Aus on 4 out of 5 occasions...

Last time Wales beat Aus was 29 November 2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_Australia_and_Wales)...  But then again they may not have to...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 03 October, 2015, 08:56:55 am
Looking ahead, the runners up in the pool will inevitably get the All Blacks in the semis, so it is a far better option to win it, which gives South Africa or Scotland in the quarters and (probably) Ireland in the semis. 

Interestingly, RSA seem to have put a weak team out for today so I wonder if they are going to tactically manage the game with Scotland with an eye on the semis.  I think I'll put a tenner on a Scottish win, or can RSA not afford that after the Japan game?

The ideal scenario for Wales is England lose today, a win against Australia and RSA beat the Scots.  That gives us Scotland in the quarters, Ireland in the semis and the All Blacks in the final! :)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 03 October, 2015, 09:35:06 am
England need a win tonight - then could top the group with 5pts from Uruguay, and with Aus beating Wales... 
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 03 October, 2015, 01:35:46 pm
I certainly don't think RSA will deliberately risk a loss to Scotland; if they ended the pool with a maximum of 14 points, having lost 2 matches, they could find themselves coming third in the pool after Japan and out of the competition. However, Scotland are playing well at last, and could well put RSA in that position without any tactical intent from the Boks!

England v Australia is really, really difficult to call. England have proved many times that they can beat the Wallabies, but rarely under so much pressure. The Australians won't be relaxed, but there's nothing like the same consequences riding on this match for them. If they lost today, then next Saturday would be their crunch match. England is infuriatingly inconsistent, but perhaps this time that works in their favour - having lost to Wales, perhaps they'll turn over the form book and pull it off. I hope so, but I wouldn't put any money on it!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 03 October, 2015, 02:57:11 pm
Actually I think I misread a comment somewhere and its Scotland who seem to holding players back for Samoa - probably wise!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 03 October, 2015, 02:59:57 pm
Actually I think I misread a comment somewhere and its Scotland who seem to holding players back for Samoa - probably wise!

Indeed and is what the radio said last night. This is a must win for SA.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 03 October, 2015, 03:49:53 pm
Noone seems - IIRC - to have mentioned the obvious way to "game" the system:
e.g Scotland and RSA colluding to score 4 tries each. To mutual benefit.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 03 October, 2015, 04:06:37 pm
Noone seems - IIRC - to have mentioned the obvious way to "game" the system:
e.g Scotland and RSA colluding to score 4 tries each. To mutual benefit.

And finish within 7 points of each other, which gives the winners 5 points and the losers 2!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 03 October, 2015, 05:34:47 pm
Looks like SA have welched on the deal.  ::-)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 03 October, 2015, 06:01:11 pm
Scotland have woken up at last!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Pancho on 03 October, 2015, 07:49:50 pm
I can't bear the tension!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 03 October, 2015, 08:40:11 pm
Oh well...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 October, 2015, 08:41:49 pm
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Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LEE on 03 October, 2015, 08:55:00 pm
Half-time and England are making their own problems.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
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Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 03 October, 2015, 09:39:00 pm
Oh well. Yellow card. Crap decision.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 03 October, 2015, 09:49:12 pm
Hopefully Aus will get another try
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bairn Again on 03 October, 2015, 09:49:56 pm
so glad I had a ton on aussie at 5/4.  easy money. 
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 03 October, 2015, 09:51:16 pm
F*** it they did, whilst I was about to say it will help us realise how poor we've been.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 October, 2015, 10:06:22 pm
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Git(eau) :-\

Can't even blame the ref for being bent or the base Antipodean rascals for being dirty cheating wrong'uns.

Bah!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 03 October, 2015, 10:31:10 pm
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You did a great job for us tonight!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 03 October, 2015, 10:41:44 pm
Well done to Wales for qualifying for the knockouts.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 03 October, 2015, 10:50:14 pm
For the first half I persisted in the delusion that England had been unlucky. The second half persuaded me that I was wrong; they just weren't good enough. There was little imagination, and sadly lacking ball skills, in England's play. The passion was there, most of the time. But they were outplayed by a superior team. Well done Australia; I hope you face greater challenges than this in this tournament - starting with Wales.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 October, 2015, 11:35:32 pm
We cycled through Twickenham at about 5pm and had our dinner in the Kingfisher, Chertsey, which, refreshingly, had no television. Huggy and I were reduced to following the game on text updates, him on the BBC, me on the Graun.

It seemed to be very one-sided, although possibly the 13 points Aus scored after Farrell went may have flattered them slightly. Even though I support Wales, I am disappointed that England didn't manage to keep the group alive, as it would have led to some fascinating matches next week.

I would love Wales to beat Australia but I think it is unlikely.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LEE on 04 October, 2015, 12:18:29 am
For the first half I persisted in the delusion that England had been unlucky. The second half persuaded me that I was wrong; they just weren't good enough. There was little imagination, and sadly lacking ball skills, in England's play.

Exactly this.

Sloppy at all the vital moments.

The Aussies, by comparison, were efficient and more precise in those moments.

England have pace but lack precision, discipline and flair.  Too many passes were made awkward for the receiver, not enough immediate backup at the point of contact.  It all adds up, a gradual ticking of points against.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 04 October, 2015, 06:54:08 am
Now then, what's the difference between the England rugby team and a teabag?  A teabag stays iin the cup longer...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 October, 2015, 08:07:55 am
Not surprisingly, the papers have few kind words to say about Stuart Lancaster. The Graun guy, Andy Bull, gives the impression that he feels cheated. He was one predicting an England win. The two articles I read both agreed with Farrell's yellow and one suggested that another English player was lucky to get away with a similar offence. Given that Wales were lucky against England, and that England lost heavily to Australia, I don't expect Wales to get much out of next week's match.

Pride of place for its breathtaking crassness has to go to the Telegraph. I paraphrase: "Twickenham is in danger of becoming like Wimbledon in the pre-Murray era, a magnificent stadium where the World came to play and the English came to clap."
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 October, 2015, 12:24:29 pm
For the first half I persisted in the delusion that England had been unlucky. The second half persuaded me that I was wrong; they just weren't good enough. There was little imagination, and sadly lacking ball skills, in England's play. The passion was there, most of the time. But they were outplayed by a superior team. Well done Australia; I hope you face greater challenges than this in this tournament - starting with Wales.

This.  England weren't bad, they just weren't good.  I shall now have to support Japan or even (shudders) Argentina.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 04 October, 2015, 03:22:32 pm
I'll just have to resort to watching YT videos of former glories - spirit of 2003 and all that...   ;)

England - Australia Rugby World Cup 2003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh32zNYy048
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 October, 2015, 06:34:18 pm
The Graun's text man is not impressed with Ireland.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 October, 2015, 06:50:46 pm
Arising out of my previous comment:

Quote
That was awful. If there was any justice in the world, both of these teams would be kicked out on aesthetic grounds, with Fiji and Japan allowed through in their stead.

As it is, Ireland qualify along with France, for the quarter-finals. Italy are knocked out on mathematical grounds, as they cannot pick up enough points to catch the other two now. And that’s about all there is to say about that dire slog.

Crikey!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Peter on 04 October, 2015, 06:54:54 pm
The referees' pink shirts should be kicked out on aesthetic grounds, along with Wales's strip!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 04 October, 2015, 07:31:17 pm
The Welsh kit is growing on me with every win, but I prefer the Canadian option which would have sold in massive numbers had it had a Welsh badge on it. 
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 05 October, 2015, 06:49:35 am
It's very irritating that the media are focussing exclusively on England's failure, with no mention anywhere of Wales' and Ireland's success so far..
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 05 October, 2015, 10:21:42 am
The referees' pink shirts should be kicked out on aesthetic grounds, along with Wales's strip!
To be fair, they do stand out - the players only wear pink on their boots.

Can I whinge about the daft "away strip" decisions? Nothing new, I know, but ....
Why did RSA have to change when they played Scotland? Surely a green/yellow strip is perfectly distinct from a blue/white one.

Hrrumph ...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 05 October, 2015, 10:23:08 am
It's very irritating that the media are focussing exclusively on England's failure, with mention no anywhere of Wales' and Ireland's success so far.
Hear hear.

Someone even started a YACF thread about it! https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=93512.0
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: closetleftie on 05 October, 2015, 10:48:33 am
To be fair to all the disappointed England fans*, Australia were good.  >:( >:(

Of the three "traditional contenders" they looked best to me. New Zealand struggled against Canada and allowed themselves to be disrupted badly at times. South Africa, whilst now good at their usual game**, are one-dimensional and indisciplined.

Looks like I'll have to do what my brother does every World Cup - put money on Aus to win. That way, if they do he gets some money to soften the blow. And it's money well spent if they don't win.  ;D




*I'm one of those, these days.  :)

** Ruck >>> loose forward goes round and goes to ground >>> ball to centre >>> half break >>> Ruck >>> repeat.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 October, 2015, 11:10:46 am
The maul was one of the greatest strengths of the England side that excelled in Carling's day. Dean Richards, I recall, was about the finest exponent thereof. It was very impressive. England seemed to get a lot of tries through the forwards then.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 05 October, 2015, 02:00:49 pm
Can I whinge about the daft "away strip" decisions? Nothing new, I know, but ....
Why did RSA have to change when they played Scotland? Surely a green/yellow strip is perfectly distinct from a blue/white one.

Hrrumph ...
+1

For the first half I persisted in the delusion that England had been unlucky. The second half persuaded me that I was wrong; they just weren't good enough. There was little imagination, and sadly lacking ball skills, in England's play. The passion was there, most of the time. But they were outplayed by a superior team. Well done Australia; I hope you face greater challenges than this in this tournament - starting with Wales.

This.  England weren't bad, they just weren't good.  I shall now have to support Japan or even (shudders) Argentina.
I'm supporting Samoa for the moment, & Japan against the USA regardless of the result of Samoa's next match. After that depends on those two results.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
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Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: tiermat on 05 October, 2015, 08:03:54 pm
The referees' pink shirts should be kicked out on aesthetic grounds, along with Wales's strip!
To be fair, they do stand out - the players only wear pink on their boots.

Can I whinge about the daft "away strip" decisions? Nothing new, I know, but ....
Why did RSA have to change when they played Scotland? Surely a green/yellow strip is perfectly distinct from a blue/white one.

Hrrumph ...

Oddly enough TLD asked this, and the only thing I could think of as a reasonable explanaton was that it would be a nightmare for blue/green colourblind people (zero contrast between the shade of green and the shade of blue)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Basil on 05 October, 2015, 08:18:05 pm
Holds hand up to blue green colour blindness.  The Italy Ireland game was hopeless for me.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 05 October, 2015, 08:31:01 pm
I have a slightly more cynical reason - it's all about selling shirts with the RWC logo on them.  More options, more sales = more money for RWC from the merchandising. 

I reckon that all the countries are required to play in an away strip during the pool games, hence Wales in black against Fiji, etc
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 05 October, 2015, 09:05:42 pm
It's very irritating that the media are focussing exclusively on England's failure, with mention no anywhere of Wales' and Ireland's success so far.
Hear hear.
I
Someone even started a YACF thread about it! https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=93512.0

I took one look at the opening post and decided to wait for the executive summary..

In other news I see that England are being kicked out of the Pennyhill Park base that the RFU has invested a seven figure sum in, to make way for quarter finalists.  The organisers could score top marks you putting Wales or Australia in there...:)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Pingu on 06 October, 2015, 06:20:02 pm
http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2015/10/05/england-prepare-quarter-finals/
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Steve GT on 07 October, 2015, 04:21:05 pm
The referees' pink shirts should be kicked out on aesthetic grounds, along with Wales's strip!
To be fair, they do stand out - the players only wear pink on their boots.

Can I whinge about the daft "away strip" decisions? Nothing new, I know, but ....
Why did RSA have to change when they played Scotland? Surely a green/yellow strip is perfectly distinct from a blue/white one.

Hrrumph ...

Oddly enough TLD asked this, and the only thing I could think of as a reasonable explanaton was that it would be a nightmare for blue/green colourblind people (zero contrast between the shade of green and the shade of blue)

More than likely part of an agreement with the shirt maker Asics to wear the White shirt x times a year.
They wore the White shirt against Argentina in Argentina earlier on in the year. It was nearly impossible to tell the 2 sides apart when the camera panned out.
 
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 07 October, 2015, 09:55:07 pm
This Namibia-Georgia match is remarkably scrappy. Has any half of an international ever taken so long? High tackles, collapsing scrums - you name it. Messy. Must be frustrating for those at the game.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 11 October, 2015, 04:11:01 pm
(its gone very quiet in here. Are the YACF "welsh" gibbering in a corner about facing RSA, NZL, then AUS again?? )

Anyway ... We had a lovely day out in Twickers and RIchmond yesterday. Lots of australians "on tour" wearing matching yellow anoraks (which they claim they only wear in England)! Fan zone was surprisingly un-rowdy. And lots of non-ripoff prices :) Moving on to today:

Loved the final conversion attempt by Namibia.
And does anyone know what the graphics on the front and back of Romania's shirts are all about?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Basil on 11 October, 2015, 05:01:52 pm
Ooh.  France/Ireland is on the television.  One of my favourite 6 Nations fixtures because:
A.  I don't care who wins, so can just enjoy great rugby.
Z.  But mainly because it has some of the best on pitch punch ups.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 October, 2015, 05:36:14 pm
(its gone very quiet in here. Are the YACF "welsh" gibbering in a corner about facing RSA, NZL, then AUS again?? )

Anyway ... We had a lovely day out in Twickers and RIchmond yesterday. Lots of australians "on tour" wearing matching yellow anoraks (which they claim they only wear in England)! Fan zone was surprisingly un-rowdy. And lots of non-ripoff prices :) Moving on to today:

Loved the final conversion attempt by Namibia.
And does anyone know what the graphics on the front and back of Romania's shirts are all about?

Not as quiet as the English on here were after their previous two matches! Not that disappointed that Wales lost, because it was to be expected, and I am pleased that you have faith that Wales will get through to the final. Yesterday's was the first match of this World Cup that I have watched on live television (in Mr. & Mrs. Madcow's caravan), but I reckon Australia are quite likely to win it. I am pleased that it wasn't an England-style total capitulation. :P

I thought that the Australian defence put in a superhuman effort when they were down to 13 men, and Gatland and co must be racking their brains about what to do about that. And a game with no tries! What is the world coming to?

The Scotland-Samoa game must have been a joy to behold. Well done them! Please, Scotland, beat Australia!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 11 October, 2015, 05:42:10 pm
It's RSA then NZL then SCO.

 :P

Ok maybe not.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 12 October, 2015, 01:17:59 am
Saw the last group match tonight.

Photos then comments...

Pundithree
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/PA110008.jpg)

USA Team Talk
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/PA110013.jpg)

Above the tunnel: in
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/PA110021.jpg)

Above the tunnel: out
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/PA110038.jpg)

Anthems
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/PA110044.jpg)

Actions
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/PA110069.jpg)

Then a spectators view...

This ends a series of events we have saved up to go to - Ryder Cup, Olympics, Paralympics, Commonwealth Games, Ryder Cup. The Ashes, Rugby World Cup.

Of all of those, the worst value for money? The last one. "Gates open at 18:00, activity from 19:30!" Nope - activity (the teams coming onto the pitch, some singing and the start of the match) - 10 minutes.

Cramped site, no attempt to accommodate fans outside of it, grumpy stewards and not a lot else.

To put this "experience" into perspective: we saw the last group match in an atmospheric but inadequate stadium for just 1/2 of the price that we paid to be within 50 meters of the finish line at the Olympic Rowing on the last day. To see four Gold Medals won.

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_3891.jpg)

We didn't go for England tickets because they were eye gougeingly expensive. Imagine paying that much for that much crap.  :o
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 12 October, 2015, 02:55:18 pm
(its gone very quiet in here. Are the YACF "welsh" gibbering in a corner about facing RSA, NZL, then AUS again?? )

Anyway ... We had a lovely day out in Twickers and RIchmond yesterday. Lots of australians "on tour" wearing matching yellow anoraks (which they claim they only wear in England)! Fan zone was surprisingly un-rowdy. And lots of non-ripoff prices :) Moving on to today:

Loved the final conversion attempt by Namibia.
And does anyone know what the graphics on the front and back of Romania's shirts are all about?

I've bloody missed everything in the last week because of work!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 12 October, 2015, 05:36:32 pm
Saw the last group match tonight.

Photos then comments...
But what about the match? I found it entertaining.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 12 October, 2015, 05:55:12 pm
Yes it was, I had hoped for more attacking and the US gave a better account of themselves then I expected. Japan go out being the first side in World Cup history to win three matches and not progress.

Four years time should be good. At least they have no worries about being the first hosts to go out before the knockout stages.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 13 October, 2015, 11:37:56 am
Interesting words from Eddie Jones. I wonder how much of this is still true in some other countries. A lot of it certainly used to be.

“Before this tournament we were one of the joke teams people would put out their B side against and pile up 80 points. Winning three games out of four shows the quality we have and what I hope in Japan is for the mind-set to change so that the enormous potential there is fulfilled in time for 2019. Players need to know it’s not just good enough to simply turn up at training, or attend a meeting and have no questions or not do any analysis. Rugby in Japan is a comfortable environment. Good players go to good universities and work for good companies. They are always in the first XV and the coaches never say anything so the players never develop. We changed that with the national team and that change now has to happen throughout the game so the mind-set becomes professional.”
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/oct/12/england-rugby-world-cup-eddie-jones-japan-south-africa?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2 (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/oct/12/england-rugby-world-cup-eddie-jones-japan-south-africa?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2)

It'll be interesting to see if the achievements of the national team in this tournament raise the level of ambition in the game in Japan generally.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 13 October, 2015, 02:14:14 pm
Not as quiet as the English on here ....

That's because I'm still sulking!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 15 October, 2015, 12:36:14 pm
Had a chat with Joe Launchbury's dad last night (he was on our Wednesday evening ride to the Swan at Three Mile Cross - nice pub). Disappointed, of course. Said Joe didn't seem unhappy with his own performance, but was deeply upset by the failure to get past the first round.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 15 October, 2015, 02:36:53 pm
Had a chat with Joe Launchbury's dad last night (he was on our Wednesday evening ride to the Swan at Three Mile Cross - nice pub). Disappointed, of course. Said Joe didn't seem unhappy with his own performance, but was deeply upset by the failure to get past the first round.

Joe's a superb player with a tremendously high work rate.  He wasn't too happy about getting the man of the match award against Australia

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/11927481/Rugby-World-Cup-organisers-act-after-Joe-Launchbury-man-of-the-match-award-farce-following-Australia-defeat.html
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 15 October, 2015, 02:44:10 pm
For Saturday
C'mon Wales!
C'mon France!

For Sunday
C'mon Ireland!
C'mon Scotland!

Not confident about any of them, I'm afraid.  Ireland probably have the best hope but losing O'Connell, O'Mahony, O'Brien and possibly/probably Sexton could be devastating to their chances.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 15 October, 2015, 09:08:10 pm
It would be wrong not to pay tribute to Paul O'Connell at this point, who will not be pulling on the green jersey of Ireland again. 

In my book he is a complete legend and my primary role model as a grass roots lock forward. 

One of the greatest leaders of recent years in any walk of life, a superbly skilled rugby player and a thoroughly decent bloke.

My first pint this weekend will be  Guinness and I'll be raising the glass to the man.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 16 October, 2015, 01:47:01 pm
It would be wrong not to pay tribute to Paul O'Connell at this point, who will not be pulling on the green jersey of Ireland again. 

In my book he is a complete legend and my primary role model as a grass roots lock forward. 

One of the greatest leaders of recent years in any walk of life, a superbly skilled rugby player and a thoroughly decent bloke.

My first pint this weekend will be  Guinness and I'll be raising the glass to the man.

Indeed!

And as my first pint on a weekend is usually a Guinness I shall join you.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: T42 on 16 October, 2015, 05:00:46 pm
It would be wrong not to pay tribute to Paul O'Connell at this point, who will not be pulling on the green jersey of Ireland again. 

In my book he is a complete legend and my primary role model as a grass roots lock forward. 

One of the greatest leaders of recent years in any walk of life, a superbly skilled rugby player and a thoroughly decent bloke.

My first pint this weekend will be  Guinness and I'll be raising the glass to the man.

These days I only drink tea & coffee but I'll be there in spirit.  Sad way to end an international career, but it was a great match and he's not all that sad himself:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/world-cup/pic-upbeat-paul-oconnell-posts-hilarious-image-on-instagram-following-surgery-on-hamstring-31614808.html

I always have mixed feelings when Ireland play France but in this case I was bloody glad Ireland romped over them.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 October, 2015, 05:54:42 pm
Yes, just drinking tea and coffee is a very sad way to end an international career!

I have a couple of glasses to raise: one to Mr. Abraham and his 50,000 miles, another to Mr. O'Connell.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 October, 2015, 05:55:13 pm
The question on everyone's lips is not why Wales lost but why some of the Springboks wore two blue boots, some two orange ones and some one of each?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Steve GT on 17 October, 2015, 05:57:12 pm
Well played Wales.  Close but no  Cigar.... Too close for my liking.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 17 October, 2015, 06:00:48 pm
Very good defensive effort by Wales but their luck has run out.

Considering their injury list - a very good tournament, with Dan Biggar coming of age and some very good performances by the back row.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: PaulF on 17 October, 2015, 06:12:58 pm
The question on everyone's lips is not why Wales lost but why some of the Springboks wore two blue boots, some two orange ones and some one of each?

Beaten to it. Guess they just have a big box of boots in the dressing room and they grab what they can. Else some of them are colourblind
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 17 October, 2015, 09:49:51 pm
Jeez... I think the All Blacks are back to form

62 - 13 v France

Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 October, 2015, 10:00:38 pm
The French looked like they were going to make a game of it...

...for the first five minutes :o
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Andrew on 17 October, 2015, 10:06:36 pm
I think France ran out of steam... and then belief.... and passion. The game couldn't have ended quickly enough for them. Players looked like they wanted to be subbed off.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 17 October, 2015, 10:19:55 pm
Enjoyed Wales v RSA - good game; though as a non-neutral, having fallen back on some measure Southern African heritage - not the anyone playing Wales thing...  ;)

NZ v France; tri-fest.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 October, 2015, 12:18:59 am
Well played, and bad luck, Wales. I'm not sure that the injuries will have made a great deal of difference in the end, but for a supporter they make the defeats to Aus and RSA easier to stomach.

If NZ and Aus are scheduled to meet in the final it should be a very good one. I didn't see today's match, but just looking at the tries scored tells you that one side is well ahead of pretty well anything else we have seen so far in terms of attacking flair. How will that match the defensive obduracy that Aus showed against Wales? I can't think that NZ will allow an opponent consisting of 13 players to go unpunished.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 18 October, 2015, 02:42:32 am
If NZ and Aus are scheduled to meet in the final it should be a very good one. I didn't see today's match, but just looking at the tries scored tells you that one side is well ahead of pretty well anything else we have seen so far in terms of attacking flair. How will that match the defensive obduracy that Aus showed against Wales? I can't think that NZ will allow an opponent consisting of 13 players to go unpunished.

Irresistible force vs immovable object!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 October, 2015, 03:34:02 pm
So the N. Hemisphere hopes now rest entirely with Scotland...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 18 October, 2015, 03:55:45 pm
No pressure lads.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 18 October, 2015, 04:50:10 pm
Keep on missing those conversions ta.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 October, 2015, 04:53:36 pm
I think, on balance, Scotland was the least favoured N. Hemisphere side going into the semifinals, so in one sense, there isn't. However, from the very limited amount I have seen of the Scottish side this world cup, there are some reasons for optimism about them. I doubt that they will get within 20 points of Australia this afternoon, but I would like to think that their 6 Nations chances in 2016 may be about more than just vying with Italy for the Wooden Spoon.

I think those of us who have enjoyed England's early departure from the tournament should be looking at the worrying prospect of the total domination of world rugby by the four main S. Hemisphere sides. It's not just England.

Edit: having just typed all that, I have looked at the score. Now that I'm watching (the Graun text updates) it will all go horribly wrong for Scotland.

And no, you don't want them to miss conversions, you don't want them to score any tries!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 18 October, 2015, 04:56:08 pm
Argentina were bloody excellent, and Ireland were well beaten. I'm sure there was a degree of Argentina having nothing to lose, and Ireland having huge expectations on their shoulders to cope with (as did England and Wales), but this World Cup is ripping up the form book, and I think that's great!

And now Scotland are giving the Ozzies something to think about. Terrific stuff!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: David Martin on 18 October, 2015, 05:16:05 pm
Well Scotland are making the aussies work for it at least..
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 18 October, 2015, 05:22:19 pm
Well Scotland are making the aussies work for it at least..


I think they're doing rather better than that! What a superb try!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 October, 2015, 05:27:49 pm
Still a point behind though...

Come on Tim Scotland!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: David Martin on 18 October, 2015, 05:29:18 pm
a few more now.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 October, 2015, 05:29:25 pm
Bollocks. I don't think they will recover from that. Hope I'm wrong...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Peter on 18 October, 2015, 05:37:33 pm
Hmmmm.  I think I'd have gone for a try from that penalty, then hoped for a latr penalty.  Scotland will have to get that close again, anyway.

Immediate edit: Blimey!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: David Martin on 18 October, 2015, 05:38:27 pm
Close enough now..Maybe the aussies aren't usd to rain.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 18 October, 2015, 05:39:56 pm
Great try by Scotland!  In the pouring rain - must feel at home...   ;)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 October, 2015, 05:40:10 pm
Bloody hell...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 18 October, 2015, 05:43:19 pm
Oooooooooooooohhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: David Martin on 18 October, 2015, 05:44:13 pm
Normal situation restored..
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 18 October, 2015, 05:44:38 pm
What might have been - a semi against Argentina....
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 October, 2015, 05:45:07 pm
Bollocks. Bloody Welsh... :P
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: andyoxon on 18 October, 2015, 05:47:10 pm
Great game.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 October, 2015, 05:47:43 pm
Such a shame. There have been 4 close games that I have watched (FGVO "watched") in which a team has come from behind to win in the final minutes. The first two went the way I wanted them to. The second two did not.

Well done, and really bad luck, Scotland. Well done Australia.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: αdαmsκι on 18 October, 2015, 05:51:15 pm
 :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(

With two minutes left and a Scottish lineout I, like a lot of other people I imagine, thought Scotland would win.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 18 October, 2015, 05:53:00 pm
Arse.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: TimC on 18 October, 2015, 05:54:52 pm
That was an amazing game, and for either team to have won would have been the 'right' result. In the end, I think the rain made it very difficult for either side to keep the ball in hand, and the last call went unfortunately against Scotland. But that was 80 minutes that went by in a flash!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 18 October, 2015, 06:10:36 pm
But for two poor refereeing decisions - sin binning and the last penalty - that would have been Scotland's.

A really enjoyable weekend of rugby.

 
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: David Martin on 18 October, 2015, 06:14:59 pm
What other decision could have been made? Knock on and caught by an offside player. Didn't see the sin binning. Scotland missed a conversion - that is what made the difference (oh, and capitalising on two mistakes by Australia that allowed them to get tries)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: αdαmsκι on 18 October, 2015, 06:26:02 pm
My understanding is that the Scots thought the ball came off an Ozzie, so therefore it wasn't a knock on.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Andrew on 18 October, 2015, 06:35:28 pm
Scotland played out of their skins. They fought damned hard, and with passion and belief, and it nearly paid off. Believe me (as a kiwi) I was rooting for them.

Games are decided by the score board, I know, but I do honestly think that the Aussies (and it genuinely hurts me to say this) were the better* team on the pitch.

*and we can debate the definition of 'better' until the cows wander off down to the pub
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: David Martin on 18 October, 2015, 06:39:49 pm
My understanding is that the Scots thought the ball came off an Ozzie, so therefore it wasn't a knock on.
Wouldn't have been, but it wasn't so it was. Mens rea doesn't come in to it.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 October, 2015, 06:53:54 pm
I didn't see today's game, but Dan Lucas, the Graun's textist, reckoned that it wasn't a deliberate knock on, it shouldn't have been a penalty and it certainly shouldn't hve been a sin-binning. He also hoped that Joubert wouldn't be refereeing any more games. I did see Cuthbert's knock-on last week, and I would doubt that that was deliberate either.

Obviously, anyone attempting to intercept a pass is going to have to come from an on-side position, so if his judgment is slightly awry, the ball is bound to be knocked forward. Cuthbert's attempt last week looked to me like a guy who was genuinely trying to get the ball at full stretch, and he might have been successful if the Aussie guy hadn't tackled him when he was in the middle of the attempt.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: firedfromthecircus on 18 October, 2015, 07:01:18 pm
It was a Scotland lineout.
Win it and keep possession for 2 minutes and it's onto the semis to get beaten by Argentina (who I thought were excellent today btw even though I was rooting for Ireland). Simple stuff really.
They failed to win their own restart. The Aussie still had to kick it.
That's sport.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 18 October, 2015, 09:08:01 pm
What other decision could have been made? Knock on and caught by an offside player. Didn't see the sin binning. Scotland missed a conversion - that is what made the difference (oh, and capitalising on two mistakes by Australia that allowed them to get tries)

They showed the replay of the "knock on" incident several times after the end of the match and it appears that it may have been an Australian that the ball came off not a Scot, therefore the player who caught it wasn't offside.  That was a decision that should have been referred to the TMO but wasn't.

The knock on which lead to the sin binning was referred, IMHO [and several pundits'] the Scottish right wing's arm was already extended before the ball left the Aussie and there was no attempt to knock the ball forward.  Knock on - yes, deliberate knock on - very doubtful, sin bin - very, very harsh!  Could have changed the match as the Aussies scored almost immediately on that wing, now vacated. 

All in all, I think the best team won - just! 
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: αdαmsκι on 18 October, 2015, 09:45:28 pm
The knock on which lead to the sin binning was referred, IMHO [and several pundits'] the Scottish right wing's arm was already extended before the ball left the Aussie and there was no attempt to knock the ball forward.  Knock on - yes, deliberate knock on - very doubtful, sin bin - very, very harsh!

The knock on law in that situation seems a bit odd. I do understand that deliberating knocking on the ball will prevent it going to the Aussie winger, thereby ending the attack.  Doing that deliberately is a clinical tactic. However, it seems there's two ways things can go:

1) The player catches the interception, claim possession, charges upfield and makes a massive chunk of territory
2) The player fumbles the interception, knocks the ball forward, nullifies the attack and ends up going to the bin for ten minutes as it's seen as deliberate.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 18 October, 2015, 10:24:59 pm
If the player attempts to catch the ball or knock it backwards but fails and the ball goes forward [and hits the ground or another player], it's a knock on - scrum awarded with put in by the opposition.

If he deliberately knocks the ball forwards [and it hits the ground or another player] even if he then tries to catch the ball but fails, it's a deliberate knock on - penalty awarded and often a yellow card.

In this afternoon's situation, I believe that the Scottish player's arm was already extended, there was no forward motion of it to bat the ball forwards [or otherwise] and therefore was not a deliberate knock on.  In my opinion, it should have been a scrum and no yellow card.

I've just rewatched it and that is still my opinion. But I wasn't the referee!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 October, 2015, 10:31:16 pm
I didn't see today's game, but Dan Lucas, the Graun's textist, reckoned that it wasn't a deliberate knock on, it shouldn't have been a penalty and it certainly shouldn't hve been a sin-binning. He also hoped that Joubert wouldn't be refereeing any more games.

Joubert is as much of a useless waste of space as André bloody Watson.  Even Michael Lynagh is saying it should have been referred to the the TMO.  Apparently he was nearly hit by a bottle while running off the park like a frightened rabbit; opinions vary as to whether it was thrown by a spectator or a Scottish player.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 18 October, 2015, 10:35:19 pm
Joubert is as much of a useless waste of space as André bloody Watson. 

Or even Steve Walsh, the well known drunken Kiwi/Australian.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 18 October, 2015, 10:52:47 pm
Arse!

I was doing stuff up scaffolding and I missed the only real opportunity for a NH team to get to the semi finals.

Like I said.

Arse!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: David Martin on 18 October, 2015, 11:21:35 pm
BBC says regulations wouldn't allow referal to the TMO. He had to call it then as he saw it, and clearly got it wrong. But for the missed conversion..
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 October, 2015, 11:26:20 pm
Seems this is not the first time his decisions in an important match have been called into question (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/5841299/World-Cup-ref-blowtorch-turns-on-Craig-Joubert).
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Peter on 18 October, 2015, 11:42:10 pm
It seems proportionate to remember that he spotted a knock-on in the scrum by an Australian and so disallowed an Australian try.  I'm glad I'm not a referee.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Bledlow on 18 October, 2015, 11:55:22 pm
Argentina were bloody excellent, and Ireland were well beaten. I'm sure there was a degree of Argentina having nothing to lose, and Ireland having huge expectations on their shoulders to cope with (as did England and Wales), but this World Cup is ripping up the form book, and I think that's great!
Indeed. Argentina has good backs now, not just forwards.

Japan & Argentina have grabbed headlines, but they're not the only teams to have played better than many expected.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 18 October, 2015, 11:58:09 pm
It seems proportionate to remember that he spotted a knock-on in the scrum by an Australian and so disallowed an Australian try.  I'm glad I'm not a referee.

I don’t think he saw that knock-on. I think it was spotted by the TMO.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 19 October, 2015, 12:09:01 am
BBC says regulations wouldn't allow referal to the TMO. He had to call it then as he saw it, and clearly got it wrong. But for the missed conversion..

Yes, I've just checked and you [and the BBC] are correct.

World Rugby Laws state:
Quote
The TMO can only be used in the following circumstances:
Determining the grounding of the ball in-goal for a try or touchdown and/or whether players were in touch or touch in goal before grounding.
Determining whether a kick at goal has been successful.
Confirm if an infringement has occurred in the build-up to a try or prevention of a try (infringement must be within two phases of the try or touchdown).
Considering acts of possible foul play.

A gray area but under these regulations he then shouldn't have consulted the TMO with regard to the sin binning.  There was no try, no foul play and by his own admission no infringement in the build up to a try [there was no try or likely try].  He had already indicated that there had been a knock on and scrum awarded to Aus.  I think the TMO called in to Joubert which, under the letter of the law, he shouldn't have done.

A technicality perhaps but take the 7 points for the converted try that happened immediately after away from Australia and we have a diferent position.

I don't think that the knock on was " clearly and obviously" deliberate even with the TMO.

Anyway, with ex Scotland player John Jeffrey heading up the refereee appointment panel for RWC, I don't think Joubert willl get another game.  Let's see.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 October, 2015, 07:25:21 am
Japan & Argentina have grabbed headlines, but they're not the only teams to have played better than many expected.

After their performance in 2007 it would be unwise for anyone to underrate the Pumas.  On yesterday's performances - by both them and Australia - I can see them making the final...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: rafletcher on 19 October, 2015, 08:33:21 am
It seems proportionate to remember that he spotted a knock-on in the scrum by an Australian and so disallowed an Australian try.  I'm glad I'm not a referee.

I don’t think he saw that knock-on. I think it was spotted by the TMO.

Don't think that's within the remit of the TMO.

Personally I'm happy the Aussies won - but then I spent 6 years living in Scotland listening to those around me wishing the English defeated at every opportunity. Karma.  8)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 October, 2015, 09:22:59 am
OTOH I should have liked Scotland to win as this might have rewarded us with the rare sight of George Gregan eating humble pie :demon:
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 19 October, 2015, 01:06:49 pm
BBC says regulations wouldn't allow referal to the TMO. He had to call it then as he saw it, and clearly got it wrong. But for the missed conversion..

Yes, I've just checked and you [and the BBC] are correct.

World Rugby Laws state:
Quote
The TMO can only be used in the following circumstances:
Determining the grounding of the ball in-goal for a try or touchdown and/or whether players were in touch or touch in goal before grounding.
Determining whether a kick at goal has been successful.
Confirm if an infringement has occurred in the build-up to a try or prevention of a try (infringement must be within two phases of the try or touchdown).
Considering acts of possible foul play.

A gray area but under these regulations he then shouldn't have consulted the TMO with regard to the sin binning.  There was no try, no foul play and by his own admission no infringement in the build up to a try [there was no try or likely try].  He had already indicated that there had been a knock on and scrum awarded to Aus.  I think the TMO called in to Joubert which, under the letter of the law, he shouldn't have done.

IIRC the chat between ref and TMO was partly about a possible try. That seems to justify the TMO's involvement. (They concluded that a try was unlikely, as it happens).


Overall - as with so many sports contests - there were sooo many 50:50 decisions and incidents that its daft to focus on one, and blame the result on that. Of course it does seem to be human nature (or perhaps just sports-fan nature!)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jabba on 19 October, 2015, 04:32:11 pm
Joubert's call to the TMO regarding the 'possibility of a try and an intentional knock on' came only after the stadium replay I believe and IMHO is stretching the TMO rules by quite a bit and showing stuff in slo-mo always makes these kind of plays look worse. At full speed it was just a player attempting an interception that went wrong,............ knock on, scrum carry on....

However how many people have complained during this world cup about the TMO 'messing up' the run of the game, slowing things down and being not much cop!!!???  Personally I prefer it when refs make the decision, there have been some very obvious calls that get referred and you think 'cmon get on with it'. 

If we want/need the TMO then why not use the Rugby League methods when all tries get looked at regardless and the last phase of play that led up to it to check for something that might have got missed that would've affected the outcome?

Joubert running off at the end though was a bit disingenuous and but now we're all talking about ref's decisions the way football fans have done for decades, is this the expectation of the professional rugby era.  Ian Madigan complained bitterly to Garces in Cardiff when he tapped the ball 5m out and scored a try only to have it denied due to the ref saying nothing could happen as he was talking with the Argentinian player, but the clock hadn't been stopped!!

Watched both games in the Millennium Stadium, what an atmosphere for both games, we even had 'Fields of Athenry' being belted out on Saturday night's NZ game  ;D

Hugely disappointed for Ireland but well outplayed by a blazing Puma display, almost a perfect replay of Park des Princes 2007  :facepalm: ??? :facepalm:
Big hugs at the end though with the Puma fans who we'd sat with and they looked like all their birthdays had come at once.

Australia needs to watch out though.

My prediction is for a NZ vs Argentina final and the thing is I don't mind who wins. 
Argentina are the only country who can now stop a team being crowned triple World Champions!!

Would love NZ to win for a back-to-back record and conversely would also love Argentina to win for the upcoming and aspiring nations who actually play rugby like we all remember it was like  (maybe need to remove the rose-tinted spectacles but you know what I mean)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 19 October, 2015, 10:08:55 pm
World Rugby have said that the penalty was the incorrect decision and it should have been a scrum to Australia.

Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 20 October, 2015, 10:23:03 am
World Rugby have said that the penalty was the incorrect decision and it should have been a scrum to Australia.
... but taken in the context of sport, where players AND referees make mistakes, it's just bad luck.

(haven't read the report - I assume Scotland are still out?!? )
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 20 October, 2015, 11:02:11 am
World Rugby have said that the penalty was the incorrect decision and it should have been a scrum to Australia.
... but taken in the context of sport, where players AND referees make mistakes, it's just bad luck.

(haven't read the report - I assume Scotland are still out?!? )

I said something along the lines of "all Australia need is a penalty" just after Scotland had touched down and converted. If Scotland had managed to hold their line-out and kicked the ball miles downfield then we most likely would be looking forwards to a semi-final against Argentina (which we’d probably have lost).
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LEE on 21 October, 2015, 10:18:58 am
If Scotland had managed to hold their line-out and kicked the ball miles downfield then we most likely would be looking forwards to a semi-final against Argentina (which we’d probably have lost).

This.

I will never understand why they threw a long ball at that lineout, they basically took out half of their own team, the half that are paid to hold onto the ball until the clock ticks down.

More than that though, it was a decision that required the TMO more than almost any other I've seen in the whole tournament.  When a game hangs on the very final decision of the game then you just go to the TMO, even for obvious ones.  Everyone would understand the reason for it.

Even more than that though.. I'm English and happy the Scots lost, especially in such a manner*

*Oh come on you Scots, you know you'd have enjoyed England losing like that.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 21 October, 2015, 02:59:52 pm
There were plenty of equally important decisions. Just cos they happen with an hour left, doesn't make them unimportant.

It's an 80min game. Of 2 halves!

It would feel very artificial - rather like the false drama of X-Factor - to use the TMO for any "last-minute" decision. [and how do you decide what is a "match-changing" decision?!? ]
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LEE on 22 October, 2015, 02:40:16 pm
There were plenty of equally important decisions. Just cos they happen with an hour left, doesn't make them unimportant.

It's an 80min game. Of 2 halves!

It would feel very artificial - rather like the false drama of X-Factor - to use the TMO for any "last-minute" decision. [and how do you decide what is a "match-changing" decision?!? ]

TMO is designed to be used when the referee "can't be sure". 

When the ball is pinging about at a failed lineout, through a bunch of flailing arms, and the final touch is so important, it's a clear case for the TMO.

The ref clearly thought he was sure but, given the situation, it really was impossible to be sure (it wasn't easy to see what happened with 3 slo-mo perspectives on the incident).

Luckily though, in the end, we got the correct decision.  The one that led to Scotland losing  :demon:
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 22 October, 2015, 02:45:37 pm
If the scoreline had been 33-13, no-one would have given a toss.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 22 October, 2015, 03:27:37 pm
There were plenty of equally important decisions. Just cos they happen with an hour left, doesn't make them unimportant.

It's an 80min game. Of 2 halves!

It would feel very artificial - rather like the false drama of X-Factor - to use the TMO for any "last-minute" decision. [and how do you decide what is a "match-changing" decision?!? ]

TMO is designed to be used when the referee "can't be sure". 

When the ball is pinging about at a failed lineout, through a bunch of flailing arms, and the final touch is so important, it's a clear case for the TMO.
YOU may think so, but the rules state otherwise! (see a few posts back for when the TMO is used)

Eventually fans have to accept the role of luck. It was clearly luck that decides a ping-pong like that. Having TMO deosnt make the outcome any "better".
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 22 October, 2015, 04:44:33 pm
Luckily though, in the end, we got the correct decision.

Don't think so, correct decision was knock on, scrum put in to Australia [knock on, hit an Aussie, everyone is back onside now].

In my view, all a bit acedemic, the crucial decision was the "deliberate" knock on earlier in the match.

And there ain't nothing changing now!

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The one that led to Scotland losing  :demon:
  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 22 October, 2015, 06:10:08 pm
We have to also remember in the spirit of fairness that England should not have been in such a tough group.

I am switching my allegiance to Argentina for the semis.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 October, 2015, 06:57:53 pm
Luckily though, in the end, we got the correct decision.  The one that led to Scotland losing  :demon:

That would normally be the case; however when the opposition is Australia...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Pingu on 22 October, 2015, 10:45:35 pm
Luckily though, in the end, we got the correct decision.  The one that led to Scotland losing  :demon:

In the quarter finals  :P
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Basil on 22 October, 2015, 11:11:47 pm
Luckily though, in the end, we got the correct decision.  The one that led to Scotland losing  :demon:

In the quarter finals  :P

 :thumbsup:   :)
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 October, 2015, 01:33:09 pm
I am surprised how even-handed the Graun's pundits are being with their predictions for today's matches. I suppose I would quite like to see the Pumas beat the Wallabies for the novelty value and, well, it's Australia, isn't it? Otherwise I think I am pretty neutral. I am expecting a NZ v Aus final though.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 24 October, 2015, 01:49:11 pm
I suppose I would quite like to see the Pums beat the Wallabies for the novelty value and, well, it's Australia, isn't it? Otherwise I think I am pretty neutral. I am expecting a NZ v Aus final though.

Agree with this.

Potentially two cracking games this weekend!

Edit.

Well the first one was, although one for the purists perhaps.  A poor first half by the All Blacks [by their standards] but in the end it went to the wire.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 October, 2015, 06:09:37 pm
South Africa really failed to take advantage of the extra man either side of half time.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 October, 2015, 06:40:58 pm
I tried to wATch the march today from our B & b and tuned to BBC. All they had was football results. I concluded that both matches had to be tomorrow and it wasn't ubtil we arrived at a different pub and I checked, when the match was 79 minutes old, that it was ITV that had the rights to this.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 24 October, 2015, 08:33:13 pm
What is this 'ITV' of which you speak ???
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 October, 2015, 07:03:21 am
What is this 'ITV' of which you speak ???

'tis a purveyor of lqt upon the Anbaric Distascope, m'lud, wrought in wondrous fashion by the Natives of the East from the liver of the Elephant.  You can keep fags in it.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 October, 2015, 04:59:27 pm
"He's staggering around like a boxer on the canvas..."
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 October, 2015, 06:05:32 pm
I appreciate that the Australian #16 is a fat sod incapable of moving much faster than a McLaren-Honda but even so his persistent inability to get involved in the rolling around on the floor action from the right side should have been met with ten minutes in the bin, or three months in a health farm >:(
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 25 October, 2015, 07:00:47 pm
First time ever they have met in the Final. It's going to be an interesting win for NZ!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 25 October, 2015, 09:47:42 pm
I'll have a fiver to charity with you on Australia....
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 25 October, 2015, 10:23:29 pm
I'd prefer Aus to win, but you are on.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: madcow on 27 October, 2015, 10:43:06 am
Nigel Owens named as ref.
How generous of the hosts to allow a Welshman to run the show.
 
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 October, 2015, 11:21:45 am
He is rather good, though.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 27 October, 2015, 11:48:57 am
World Rugby have said that the penalty was the incorrect decision and it should have been a scrum to Australia.
I thought this was a bizarre thing for the governing body to do.

Seems I'm not the only one. Several VIPs in Aussie Rugby wrote a letter to The Times in Saturday's edition asking why THIS decision was investigated.

Here Cheika (plus international ref Jonathan Kaplan) join in:

http://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/13881121.Rugby_World_Cup_referee_Craig_Joubert_treated_unfairly___Michael_Cheika/
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 October, 2015, 01:11:41 pm
One is tempted to wonder what Cheika would have said if Joubert had made a decision resulting in a defeat for Australia.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 27 October, 2015, 01:16:28 pm
I'm tempted to wonder why we're raking over this a week after it was the top story on the BBC Sport website.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 October, 2015, 01:26:17 pm
I'm tempted to wonder why we're raking over this a week after it was the top story on the BBC Sport website.

Because there's nothing happening on the pitch until Friday, and I'll miss seeing that one live.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: mattc on 27 October, 2015, 03:20:33 pm
The main reason is that the Times didn't publish the letter until Saturday. (It's a big paper, and I'm a slow reader).

But also, the points raised by these guys relate to the future of refereeing (and referee recruitment). It's not all about the Scotland game :P
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Plug1n on 29 October, 2015, 10:12:38 am
Just been shouted a ticket for the game by the wife's niece - come on you Blacks!!!!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Basil on 30 October, 2015, 07:20:29 pm
The up beat vibe in my (Welsh) local tonight is; Wales may not be in the final, but Wales are in charge of the final.

Go Nigel!

 :D
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 31 October, 2015, 10:00:47 am
Watching the third place play-off.  Poor show by Johnny Gaucho :(
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 October, 2015, 05:29:56 pm
Could be an interesting final 20 minutes...
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 October, 2015, 05:31:17 pm
Well well well indeed!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 31 October, 2015, 05:33:30 pm
Did I see noted Australian arse-owner and songbird Ms K Minogue drinking a pint in the stands during the first half?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 October, 2015, 05:42:27 pm
If you did, it didn't warrant a mention on the Graun's text updates.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Pancho on 31 October, 2015, 06:04:35 pm
Did I see noted Australian arse-owner and songbird Ms K Minogue drinking a pint in the stands during the first half?

Yup. Well, according to Mrs P.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 31 October, 2015, 06:24:30 pm
And if they'd please retire the sub-Whitney Houston type warbling voiceover well before Tokyo 2019 the world in union will heave a massive sigh of relief.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Jaded on 31 October, 2015, 06:59:42 pm
Did I see noted Australian arse-owner and songbird Ms K Minogue drinking a pint in the stands during the first half?

Yup. Well, according to Mrs P.

Yes.

The bright part of the Australian game, apart from during the Yellow Card.

I thought Nigel played a blinder.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: runsoncake on 01 November, 2015, 12:54:08 am


I thought Nigel played a blinder.

Yup!! He even awarded a penalty against that bloke in the Black no 7 shirt (even though its against all the Law of Reffing an All Blax Game). Fair play to him  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Peter on 01 November, 2015, 08:14:32 am
Nigel was excellent.  I think McCaw was sin-binned earlier in the competition, wasn't he?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 November, 2015, 09:49:22 am
The Kiwis deserved the win.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Hot Flatus on 01 November, 2015, 09:58:51 am
....and some.

The Wallabies only got a look in when the Kiwis were a man down. No sin bin and the score line would have been something more like 34-6.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 November, 2015, 12:31:34 pm
Nigel was excellent.  I think McCaw was sin-binned earlier in the competition, wasn't he?

Yes, against Argentina.  Improbable as it sounds he's only been binned three times in his entire international career, which tends to support runsoncake's observation.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 02 November, 2015, 05:43:50 pm
That was a bloody good game.  Name your charity Jaded!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 11 November, 2015, 03:15:05 pm
Lancaster falls on his sword

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34500716

Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 11 November, 2015, 03:36:31 pm
Same win % as the previous two coaches. Trouble is, none of them are Clive Woodward.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 11 November, 2015, 05:17:15 pm
61% as opposed to Martin Johnson and Brian Ashton on 55% and Clive Woodward's 71%. 

Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: simonp on 11 November, 2015, 06:02:13 pm
Ah, the vertical scale on the image I saw made him look closer. So actually the best all round coach since Sir Clive. And he's been hounded out.

Hands up who wants the job?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 12 November, 2015, 01:26:34 pm
Ah, the vertical scale on the image I saw made him look closer. So actually the best all round coach since Sir Clive. And he's been hounded out.

Hands up who wants the job?

Compared to Warren Gatland (2008 to 2014) Record overall: P62 W31 D1 L30.  Slightly over 50%
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 November, 2015, 07:21:22 pm
Does that not tell you something about media pressure on England that perhaps isn't there, or at least, not so intense, on the other countries?
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 12 November, 2015, 09:47:21 pm
I thinks it's more a case of which games he lost rather than how many.
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Pingu on 12 November, 2015, 09:51:47 pm
I thinks it's more a case of which games he lost rather than how many.

 ;D
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Psychler on 13 November, 2015, 01:58:39 am
Does that not tell you something about media pressure on England that perhaps isn't there, or at least, not so intense, on the other countries?

Exactly!
Title: Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
Post by: Tewdric on 20 November, 2015, 07:17:15 am
It's started for Eddie already with the pundits proclaiming the new messiah, and Austin Healey proclaiming that England need to be more arrogant!