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Audax - night riding/sleep deprivation/tiredness/possible calamity and individual awareness.

I remain unsure on which category to post this or whether I should even post it at all.
It might induce some judgement and mud-slinging, and that's fine..although a response from me may not be forthcoming.
The ensuing could well sound a bit self-indulgent, and it probably mis, bit it does have a wider relevance to anybody who rides long distance. And then drives home.

Last week I rode The LWL400 Audax - an excellent route, with three feed stops and organized by the eminently capable Liam Fitxpatrick. Many thanks to him and equally so to all the helpers at the start, Islip, Chepstow, Lambourn and the finish. I decided to leave my mates Ice trike at home and ride my trusted 1984 yellow Peugeot. I had a tough time of it, both mentally and physically. Several previously conquered large hills were walked and I've never used the granny gear so much. It felt like the hardest ever version for me, and I've done six of them over the years. Inner dialogue was not going well. Anyway, I finished the ride in 26hrs, got back to Chalfont at 8am. After a toasted sandwich and some bean chilli, two cups of tea, and a bit of a chin wag I set off From St Peter about 9am Sunday morning for a drive of about seven miles to Chesham - a drive I've done on all previous versions of this ride. I managed to get home, still in full cycling gear......not in 10 mins, but five days later. The drive home took me via Stoke Mandaville Hospital.

So....there was I, about a mile from my front door, coming into Chesham, without warning, from a state of moving along [well within the speed limit of 30mph..i was subsequently reassured by a witness), I was shocked by an almighty bang, breathing black oily smoke, barely able to see through a thousand silver stars, two inflated, (then punctured) air bags, and profound metal confusion, ....I sat there, utterly stunned, dazed, and gradually realized what had happened - I'd dropped off, completely gone, and driven into a large concrete wall/pillar on the nearside. I tried to move my legs, luckily they seemed ok, but had excrutiating pain over the front of my body. I could just open the door....did so and virtually fell out of the car.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/MEJYxMBSU3NVfnWd9

At this point, A man called Dan, Dan the runner Man, was out on a morning jog, saw all this happen, came running over, saw what kind of a state I was in, and called the emergency services. Dan is not a local man, he was down from the north visiting family for the weekend. I've thanked him enough times already, but once again, thank so so much for all your help Dan. People started appearing from all over the place......guy on a motorbike was passing, he was a first responder, so he took over the thankless job of telling traffic in both directions that they had to turn round because I'd blocked the road, a cyclist came by, he was a doctor, but by that time the on-duty first responder had arrived. Sum total of services arriving were three firemen with fire engine, a first responder, two police officers and an ambulance with three medical staff. The road was probably closed for a good hour - much to the delight of anybody who happened to be out driving.

The first responder was quite thorough in her tests, and thought I may have had a heart attack after a suspect ECG, but that was later discounted at the hospital after various blood tests and ECGs. Dan retrieved my phone and keys from the bike, the police took a statement, produced a breathalyzer and sorted out the vehicle disposal, the fire brigade weren't needed as oily smoke didn't transform into anything more serious, and eventually the ambulance took me off of to Stoke Mandaville for a check over.

There was one point as I'm lying on the wall [too dizzy to stand or sit], looking over at all 6 emergency service personal encircling me, and they start probing, asking questions as to what I'd been doing - and it's at this point that I'm overcome with quite a strong sense of guilt and shame. I tentatively unfurl details of the previous 24hrs - which basically entails riding 400km, being awake all night without sleep, arriving back only to then get behind a steering wheel to drive home. It's important to emphasize that nobody looked to give me a hard time here, all they were doing was looking to ascertain what had happened but it's almost like any judgement they may have had about what I was describing I was feeling it for them!!! I felt very uncomfortable - beyond the physical that is. I started to feel bad. I've done nothing wrong, broken no law, but felt bad because maybe there was an inner realization that I had pushed my luck, and maybe listening to my own explanation it just didn't sound good. If that didn't sound good imagine how I felt when asked if I was wearing a seat-belt? I'm going to leave that one there I'm afraid.

So arriving at Stoke and now it's time to dispose of any notion of time and see where things take me.
So, time passes, a couple of x-rays, a CT scans reveal a broken collarbone and fractured sternum - the latter is the most pain I think I've ever known. But.....it could have been worse. A lot worse. The staff at SM were a little concerned with damage to the heart, but subsequent to various blood tests and further ECGs all seemed to be ok. Five days seemed like a long time, but I was happy just letting time evaporate and giving over to whatever comes to pass.

I have an honours degree in psychological and emotional self-torture and on that first Sunday night I lay there, in the CDU, recoiling from pain like I'd never had, listening to the sound of various machines either beeping, of just emitting a quietly distracting noise, thinking how fortunate I'd been, and how I could be so easily have been looking at a manslaughter charge...plenty of cyclists around, Dan the runner....dear god, it just at doesn't bare thinking about. I was later lectured by a senior nurse to not engage in such catastrophizing, but we are who we are and our minds are what they are. Logically, she is right of course, and other than lessons learnt, there is no other benefit to recollective self-punishment insinuated by running over potentially horrendous scenarios that didn't happen. But I can't help but go there. It's just who I am. Would I come back here and submit this post if I'd ploughed into a group of cyclists? 'Go figure' as the Americans say.

So what of all this? Does this story have any value or relevance to anybody else?

Well, apart from the obvious non-negotiable seat-belt issue [and I'll pay dearly for that], the question is: when do we know it's safe to drive after a long bike ride? Equally ambiguous is the answer: it all depends. It's about individual awareness and inner self-knowledge about how you're feeling at any given time. And it's going to vary. It's going to vary with age, fitness, ability, experience but I do think the older you get the more vulnerable you are to not being able to stay awake. Equally important is the amount of residual tiredness you might bring to the start of a ride. I'm 65 and still doing a manual job. That's fine, but it cannot be the same as a 35 yr doing the same kind of work. If I travel any distance to anything over 200km, I will always, without fail, have a kip in the car..and I'd prepare before hand - foam mattress in the back of the estate etc  But there is a grey area, and this is mine - a few miles from home, 10 minutes drive...get back, have a kip. Sounds reasonable, right? Well, I've done just that on 7 different occasions with this ride and no problem. Until now. But you have to say that stories like this are mercifully uncommon in the audax world, so we assume from this that most people are sensible and know what they're doing and what they shouldn't be doing.

So, it's a hardly a brand new lesson for me, but just a harder look at myself about what is going on. A really hard look.
But there were seldom any obvious warning signs before I set off. However the more I think about it, I more I can't help feeling it had more to do with a kind of glucose dump after the food at Chalfont. It just seemed so quick, so instantaneous, that coupled with the obvious fatigue just sent me right out in a flash. Under normal circumstance my blood sugars are fine. Had a full blood test a couple of months ago.

But there is gratitude. Gratitude for not involving anybody else and gratitude for being cared for in the way in which I was.

In conclusion, I am fortunate enough to say there's always a smile along the way....

Like a line lifted right out of Straight Metal Jacket, a line that will remain with me forever and a day, came about on 5.30am Tuesday morning- a nurse with a beaming smile comes bouncing into the room and says.....

"Good morning Sir, how are you today? - would you like some morphine before breakfast?
Garry Broad

telstarbox

  • Loving the lanes
Thanks for putting this up - obviously a difficult one to write.

How would you have felt if you turned out of the village hall at 6am and someone drove a car into you because they were too tired?  It's one thing to make a mistake but another to choose to drive after being awake for 28 hours.

Even on a ride half the distance your brain will do so much processing during the ride - following the route, avoiding potholes, deciding when to proceed at a junction, talking to people, looking for somewhere to get food.
2019 🏅 R1000 and B1000

I had my only experience of falling asleep at the wheel, aged 38, after finishing my first 400, the Brevet Cymru and setting off for home at 8am down the motorway. I was woken up twice by the rumble strip.

The scariest thing was that I felt absolutely wide awake and alert.  That was in 2007.  Lesson learned.

It's one thing to test your endurance on a bike. It's another to test it behind the wheel.

I hope you heal well and quickly. And thank you for sharing. Underestimating the way back from the top of the hill (metaphorically) is something that doesn’t get mentioned so often.

Pingu

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    • the Igloo
I'm reminded of the naps I had at Stracathro (Ye May Gang Far And Fare Waur) and a layby near Laurencekirk driving home after audaxen. I felt daft at the time but they were definitely worth it.

Wycombewheeler

  • PBP-2019 LEL-2022
i've had trouble on some rides, so after a the brevet cymru, I book a room at the travelodge for saturday night as well as friday night. even if I don't get back until 6am, 5 hours in a bed before driving home is crucial. admittedly I would not book a room for a 10 mile drive, but then for 10 miles, I'd probably cycle. 1) it's much harder to fall asleep while cycling, and 2) i'm extremely unlikely to take someone else with me.

on a 600 I will try to have as much sleep as possible mid ride, at least 4 hours, and maybe even 6. I didn't get that on the BCM last year, so I ended up stopping for a series of half hour sleeps on the journey, took over twice as long as normal to get home.

for the brimstone last year I knew I would not get much sleep, so I travelled by train.

I've decided to book a room mid event when I can, rather than getting disturbed sleep in halls and to hell with people who think my approach isn't hair shirt enough to be pure audax.
regardless I do not drive home after reaching arrivee at 8am, plan to sleep or travel by train/bike.


Eddington  127miles, 170km

Long and heartfelt post, short and equally heartfelt answer:  You (and putative others) have had an incredible escape.  You now know never to do it again.  That's the simple lesson.  It was a brave post, Garry and I hope you continue to recover well.

Thanks for posting.

I expect that there's a lot of people reading it will know exactly what you are talking about and should be grateful for the reminder.

L

Done a few overnight rides now but this one was the first where I've had to drive back after (around 1h for me)

I finished around 5am and had a lie down in the hall for a bit, which just about got me through the drive home.

Glad you are ok Garry and no-one else was hurt.

As a ride organiser my primary concern is road safety for riders and other road users, and what worries me more than anything else is sleep-deprived riders driving home. So I always advise how to come to the start by public transport if possible and...  "Please avoid coming by car if possible or try to share your car journey."

I also include this paragraph in the notes I send out to riders:
Overnight accommodation after the ride
We can offer free basic overnight accommodation at the scout hut after the ride. Check-out by 07:00 on Monday. Let me know if you intend to use this facility.
Alternatively there is a Travelodge in Raynes Park less than a mile from the scout hut.
If you are planning to drive home after the ride please ensure that you are sufficiently rested before you set off.

This is awful. I’m glad you were lucky enough to only harm yourself.

The Fridays have an absolute ban on driving after a night ride after someone did the same but drifted the other way and killed someone in an oncoming car.

Is there anything about this in the AUK organiser’s handbook / risk assessment about this?

John Stonebridge

  • Has never ridden Ower the Edge
My goodness. 

Im glad to hear that you are relatively OK. 

I guess we have all been daft buggers at some point in our lives.  You have redeemed yourself in my eyes at least by sharing the story.

Your story has reminded me of one of the reasons why I tend not to drive to longer calendar audax events (and provides justification for me to continue to do so even if it sometimes involves prices in the "luxury" bracket).  I know that in some circumstances its effectively unavoidable if somebody wants to participate so its unrealistic to suggest that nobody drives to / from an audax ever. 

I do take a bit of ribbing for my penchant for train travel to participate in events far far from Edinburgh (Darlington, Manningtree etc) but knowing I can hop on a train and don't have to drive after an event is a major plus for me when considering whether to enter/organise calendar events . 

For example I found the (notionally "easy") Green & Yellow Fields 300 a couple of weeks ago really tough and wasn't far off falling asleep there and then at the finish - but I know that in other circumstances I might have been tempted to drive so absolutely no stones being cast from here.   

Regards

Glad you didn’t hit anyone, and that although serious your physical wounds will heal. Looking at the pictures, it wasn’t even a complicated bit of road, you just dozed / fell asleep at the wheel.

In 2013, I rode my first 600, the Kernow and Southwest.  I drove home from that. Felt the dozies coming on, and had to stop at Membury Services, and slept on the grass in the shade awhile.  This was on the Monday with another night in the hotel on Sunday, post event. These events take it out of me, and even with post event sleep, I carry fatigue into the next day.

I’m fortunate now, that most of the long rides I do, are route checks of my own events.  Over the weekend I did a route check of my Jelly Fish Legs 400. I was on the edge of sleepiness overnight, and the Sunday morning heat as we returned south and east was unbearable and draining.  I had a doze in the shade at the finish before the short ride home, same for my helper who’d ridden with me.  No way would I have wanted to drive.

As an organiser, all my events start within 15-20 mins ride of a station. One even starts at a railway station. I also provide GPX / directions to / from station. There are hotels nearby.

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for sharing this, that can't have been easy to do so. I think many of us will have taken a risk we shouldn't have with the drive home after an Audax in the past, and this is a pertinent reminder of the risk we are taking - not just for ourselves but (probably more importantly) for others. I know I have pushed it in the past and try to avoid that now, though I did drive back to my Dad's house at 2am after finishing the Brevet Cymru last weekend...I was fine but in a different circumstance I may have fallen asleep at the wheel without warning. I think your experience tells us that it's very hard to know your own state until it might be too late, even if you have been in that situation many times before.

All the best for the recovery.

Kim

  • Timelord
    • Fediverse
I've fallen asleep while riding a bike twice, and decided that longer audax events simply weren't for me on the basis that I don't want to play that particular game of roulette.  I know I don't function well when sleep-deprived, and often struggle to get to sleep.

Not owning a car makes it easy not to drive to audax events (I simply can't do most of them).  Now that I'm responsible for the timing kit, I do drive to BHPC races, but an hour or two of intense effort doesn't make for the same sort of tiredness as all day on the bike; the main risk is having to get up at bollocks o'clock in the morning.  One of the less talked about disadvantages of pay-as-you-go motoring is the financial or logistical pressure to not leave yourself as much time to be well-rested as you might if you owned the vehicle...

mr ben

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Glad you came out of this - physically at least - reasonably unscathed.  Sharing it is to be commended, and must have been difficult; I hope it will help you process it mentally.  Perhaps it might prevent someone else making a similar mistake with worse consequences, if you can take some comfort from that.

Best wishes for a healthy recovery.
Think it possible that you may be mistaken.

jwo

A very useful and sobering account of a mistake made and a cost paid.

I think there are couple of important observations I can take from your experience:

1. It is not possible to reliably self-judge whether one is fit to drive when sleep deprived.
2. Even a very short journey (15 minutes?) is enough to fall asleep at the wheel.

What it says to me is that under no circumstances should riders be driving a car after an overnight event without a guaranteed few hours of sleep. Not 'ideally', but 'always'. The Vetternrunden in Sweden is 'only' a 300, but has a mandatory 6 hours gap between completing the event and driving a vehicle.

Clearly those who've experienced the consequences and scraped through like the OP and Flatus, know this, but we need to convince others who've been lucky so far, or who are overconfident in their ability to manage sleep deprivation, this applies to them also.

Wycombewheeler

  • PBP-2019 LEL-2022
The Vetternrunden in Sweden is 'only' a 300, but has a mandatory 6 hours gap between completing the event and driving a vehicle.
 
Maybe something to be considered at the next AGM. although I'm not sure how you could mandate that. stopping someone from driving at 8pm after a 300 and then releasing them after midnight does not seem like the answer.

Meanwhile, any overnight ride has the potential to be problematic, but then who is to know whether someone arrives at the finish of a 600 having had 6 hours sleep, or none at all.

Given how I felt after the BCM last year, and one or two other 600s, and the incident above, I'm considering somewhere for sunday night this weekend, since my friday night accommodation is not really conducive to a train.

Eddington  127miles, 170km

The Vetternrunden in Sweden is 'only' a 300, but has a mandatory 6 hours gap between completing the event and driving a vehicle.
 
Maybe something to be considered at the next AGM.

I would probably support something like this. I think AUK should be stronger on advice not to drive tired, and give organisers a clear steer to share such advice to their riders so that none can be unaware of the dangers. I think I have read that driving sleep-deprived is similarly dangerous to driving drunk.

jwo

The Vatternrundan is a huge event (tens of thousands if I recall) and enforcement is by the police with automatic disqualification from the event and possible ticketing. Obviously not practical for normal UK Audaxes. But I do wonder whether, for example, preventing event parking at the start of an event (drop off and pick up only), might go some way to sending a clear message that overnight Audaxing and driving do not mix.

I wonder if instructions that go out to participants that encourage public transport are perceived primarily as 'environmental good practice' rather than primarily health and safety. Perhaps a different emphasis in the instructions might help here (I've not done any audaxes in the last few years, so quite possibly have missed a change in the right direction, but certainly 5-15 years ago, driving away from longer audaxes was way too common for my liking/safety.

Jaded

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Fell asleep at the wheel a very long time ago. Not after an Audax, but after a late night when moving my stuff to a new town in a van. The terrifying thing was I was dreaming that I was driving. Woke up, regained control, and have spent the next 40 plus years of driving with a very heightened awareness of the dangers.
It is simpler than it looks.

Indeed a very useful and sobering post, and my wishes for a speedy recovery.

My personal epiphany cam after driving back from a 400 in Wales a few years ago. In principle this was a simple drive: M4, M5 andd home. But...

I can remember approaching the M5 junction. Next thing I was aware of was sailing past the M5 junction. No proplem, I thought, go to the M32 junction and turn round. I can remember approaching the M32 junction. No guesses as to what happened next.

I eventually got off the M4 at the A46 junction, pulled over, spent some time of the car and walked around to try to wake myself up, then drove home cross-country. Fortunately with no further incident. But this scared me enough that I have never driven to a long event since. In some ways it was quite lucky that this happened on a motorway in the early hours, as there is less chance of anything catastrophic happening. But the boredom of driving along an empty motorway may have contributed.

This year I have noticed that fewer 400s start stupidly early in the morning, which makes travel to and from by public transport rather more practicable. As far as I am concerned, this move to more reasonable start and finish times is to be encouraged (as is travelling by public transport). With 600s this is more difficult, as they really have to start at around 6am, but I would think most people would have a sleep stop on the event which makes post-event sleep deprivation less of a problem.

You're quite right to have shared these events. Like everyone else I'm delighted to know that you're in one piece, the photo's show how lucky you were. It is reassuring to see that no one this site has thought it appropriate to tear you off a strip; I used to work antisocial hours with 20hr shifts so have been tired and stupid in the past; none of us are above reproach . I appreciate that you may not wish to spread your story wider still but have you thought about something in Arrivee? Giving others the opportunity to learn from your mistake may be the very best thing you can do. Do please take care.

hellymedic

  • Just do it!
Thanks for sharing.
Hope you recover well & quickly!
There but for the grace of <deity>…
I’ve never had a car so driving post ride wasn’t possible.
It’s easy to be smug but I have fallen asleep on the saddle, thankfully without any harm.
I have been lucky.
That is all.

I think 400s are the most difficult distance wrt to sleep deprivation...