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Title: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 14 September, 2018, 04:38:28 pm
I'd like to introduce the Inverness 1200 being held over the weekend of 05 - 09 July 2019. A few brief details:

Starting and finishing in the Lancashire seaside town of Lytham St. Anne's, the route heads north to Carlisle and into Scotland, to a control at Paisley at roughly 300 km where food/sleep arrangements are being made. There's a drop-bag to Paisley.

The route then follows a 600 km loop around central Scotland, passing through, or close to Inveraray; Oban; Inverness; Fort William and Glen Coe before returning to Paisley at about 900 km.

The 300 km south-bound route from Paisley back to Lytham is the exact reverse of the north-bound route.

Entry fee of £57.40 includes, but not limited to:

Brevet card with detailed route-sheet
3rd party insurance for UK-based participants
Breakfast on the morning of the event (Friday 05 July 2019)
Basic sleeping facilities; showers; food & drink at the Paisley control (roughly 300km & 900 km)
Bag drop from Lytham to Paisley
Breakfast on the morning after the event (Tuesday 09 July 2019)
Validation with AUK & LRM for successful riders
Commemorative water-bottle & medal
Any photograph's taken by the organiser during the event

There might be a commemorative event cycling jersey available for purcahse (typically £40 each) in the new year.

1200 km too far?

If you think you can't manage the 1200, perhaps try your hand at the Fort William 1000 which is being run con-currently. Both events start and finish at Lytham at the same time and more or less follow the same route to and from Fort William (see other YACF post for further information). Both events are run at the same speeds (13.3 - 30 kph).

Transfer of entries:

If, after you've already entered you decide you'd prefer to ride the Fort William 1000 instead, we'll transfer your entry from one event to the other free of charge up to anytime prior to the event start time (subject to the completion of a little bit more paperwork obtainable from the organiser).

Transfers won't be allowed after the event has started as this is against the original Audax ethos.

More information available on the event website:

https://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/

For the AUK calendar event webpage:

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-585/

Good luck to anyone who decides to enter the event.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: citoyen on 14 September, 2018, 05:00:34 pm
I know what some people will say but in many ways this appeals to me a *lot* more than PBP...
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: postie on 14 September, 2018, 05:09:31 pm
Its possible to do more then one 1200km in a year.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: whosatthewheel on 14 September, 2018, 05:11:34 pm
I know what some people will say but in many ways this appeals to me a *lot* more than PBP...

 a lot more...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: citoyen on 14 September, 2018, 06:11:14 pm
Its possible to do more then one 1200km in a year.

In theory I'd love to do both, but if I had to choose... it wouldn't be an easy decision.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: rob on 14 September, 2018, 07:13:46 pm
This looks great but I think I’ve already used my limited annual leave elsewhere.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: mattc on 14 September, 2018, 07:32:36 pm
Both definite possibles for next year :)

IMHO start/finish times are important, so I've added them below:

I'd like to introduce the Inverness 1200 being held over the weekend of 05 - 09 July 2019. A few brief details:

Starting and finishing in the Lancashire seaside town of Lytham St. Anne's, the route heads north to Carlisle and into Scotland, to a control at Paisley at roughly 300 km where food/sleep arrangements are being made. There's a drop-bag to Paisley.

<snip>

If you think you can't manage the 1200, perhaps try your hand at the Fort William 1000 which is being run con-currently. Both events start and finish at Lytham at the same time and more or less follow the same route to and from Fort William (see other YACF post for further information). Both events are run at the same speeds (13.3 - 30 kph).

...
1200km:
Date:Friday 5th July 2019
Time:08:00   to finish by + 02:00
(early Tuesday)

and I assume for the
1000:
Date:Friday 5th July 2019
Time:08:00   to finish by 11:00
(Monday)
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-586/
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: fuaran on 14 September, 2018, 08:48:33 pm
Looks like a lot of horrible busy main roads.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: jakemcree on 14 September, 2018, 09:21:19 pm
These sound amazing. Are they new events?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 14 September, 2018, 11:27:43 pm
Looks like a lot of horrible busy main roads.

A82 probably the worst bit, but given the timing Night Owls will get the best of it
Paisley to Inverary: 90, 95 and 97 km options
If you're going by the A82 and the Rest (90km) then there's the cycle path as far as the turn off for the Rest; and if at that time of night the rest's busy then you can always take to the old hillclimb track (and if that's in use as a road then you're under a convoy anyway)

Only one sensible route (20km more to go by lochgilphead) from Inverary to Oban; unless you're really quick or left it really late the A85 is all but deserted at night... unless there's timber lorries going around...

Oban to Corran you can go most of the way on the cycle path if you want, but there's never been all that much traffic when I've driven it.

Corran to Fort Bill... well I'd much rather use the ferries but good timing and it won't be a nightmare; bad timing and one of the nightmare creators will be in the loch as is their habbit

Fort Bill to inverness, you can keep off the A82 for a fair bit of it; right tyres and you can go all the way up the canal.

Glen Coe, been up it in Sunny and Soaking Bank Holiday traffic and in the depth of winter;

Crianlarich back down the A82 as far as tarbert, hm well yeah that's a pain, but it's probably going to be night time again by then.


I had a think through all that before entering the 1000
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: citoyen on 15 September, 2018, 01:34:10 pm
Fort Bill to inverness, you can keep off the A82 for a fair bit of it; right tyres and you can go all the way up the canal.

The road along the south side of Loch Ness from Fort Augustus to Inverness is one of my favourite roads I’ve ever ridden - mainly for r the view over the loch when you turn the bend at the top of the climb. I’d go that way for preference.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 15 September, 2018, 01:50:41 pm
If you added the North Coast 500 to the equation, you'd come up with a 2,000 km ride. That might make an interesting permanent, starting from Preston Railway Station. The many variants of LEJOG would provide some guidance for routing.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 15 September, 2018, 03:04:48 pm
"The road along the south side of Loch Ness from Fort Augustus to Inverness is one of my favourite roads I’ve ever ridden - mainly for r the view over the loch when you turn the bend at the top of the climb. I’d go that way for preference."

You'll have a choice of route between Fort Augustus and Inverness: either continuing on the A82 through Drumnadrochit; or taking the B862/B852 passing to the south side of Loch Ness. There's about 2 km difference. I suspect those riding on the day will opt for a circuit. Route instructions will be provided for both versions nearer the time.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 16 September, 2018, 01:12:43 pm
Fort Bill to inverness, you can keep off the A82 for a fair bit of it; right tyres and you can go all the way up the canal.

The road along the south side of Loch Ness from Fort Augustus to Inverness is one of my favourite roads I’ve ever ridden - mainly for r the view over the loch when you turn the bend at the top of the climb. I’d go that way for preference.

Bit of a climb up out of Fort Augustus if going that side on the way to Inverness; my main memory of it is from the Etape Loch Ness a few years ago where despite a lot of arm flicking I found myself on the front of a big train all the way to Fort Augustus, as we passed my Great Aunts old house at the foot of the climb a pack of midgets overtook me and shot up the hill.
I managed to catch and pass a few of them on the way back down.

Two of them redeemed themselves at the end by finding me and thanking me for the tow.


The hostel at Invergarry is decent enough, and the owner is a cyclist and coffee sorcerer; I say that but I can't stand the stuff so...
If the timing fits he may be worth contacting;

Although when it comes to riding Scotland's northern trunk roads; I'd rather ride them through the night, deserted.
On a ride across to Claoniag the other week I'm sure I was passed no more than 10 times between Comrie and Cladich; even got Glen Ogle to myself! And that was with all traffic for Fort William taking the Oban road due to roadworks on the Black mount.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Jay_70_One on 16 September, 2018, 06:02:47 pm
I felt as though I should enter seeing as though I raised the thread on the Audax FB site. So I have... ;D
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: citoyen on 16 September, 2018, 06:08:14 pm
"The road along the south side of Loch Ness from Fort Augustus to Inverness is one of my favourite roads I’ve ever ridden - mainly for r the view over the loch when you turn the bend at the top of the climb. I’d go that way for preference."

You'll have a choice of route between Fort Augustus and Inverness: either continuing on the A82 through Drumnadrochit; or taking the B862/B852 passing to the south side of Loch Ness. There's about 2 km difference. I suspect those riding on the day will opt for a circuit. Route instructions will be provided for both versions nearer the time.

I guess a lot will depend on the time of day when you get to that point. At night, the main road along the north side of Loch Ness would probably be the preferable option.

Bit of a climb up out of Fort Augustus if going that side on the way to Inverness

That's half the fun of it - and you get the reward of the long descent down the other side.

Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: fuaran on 16 September, 2018, 06:13:20 pm
"The road along the south side of Loch Ness from Fort Augustus to Inverness is one of my favourite roads I’ve ever ridden - mainly for r the view over the loch when you turn the bend at the top of the climb. I’d go that way for preference."

You'll have a choice of route between Fort Augustus and Inverness: either continuing on the A82 through Drumnadrochit; or taking the B862/B852 passing to the south side of Loch Ness. There's about 2 km difference. I suspect those riding on the day will opt for a circuit. Route instructions will be provided for both versions nearer the time.

I guess a lot will depend on the time of day when you get to that point. At night, the main road along the north side of Loch Ness would probably be the preferable option.
If getting run over is a preferable option. Cycling on the A82 is stupid.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: mattc on 16 September, 2018, 06:35:49 pm
On Mark's 1300 I did the Loch Ness (north side) A82 section through the night (got to Fort Bill around 3am - and I wasnt the only one!). Barely saw a car. More traffic would have helped me stay awake. No idea what it's like in daytime!

For those who haven't visited Loch Ness, the A82 is rather disappointing; there is virtually no view of the water (orthe hills above it) due to thick woods. I have wondered if this was deliberate to avoid distracting drivers.

On t'other hand/bank ...
Before the Dingwall Nat 400 (2014?) I rode down the south side from Inverness to well short of Fort Augustus. Gorgeous quiet road, but I remember a lot of ups-n-downs.

(Even nicer was the return leg of the loop  back to Inverness, further east/south than the Loch road. Strathnairn? )
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 16 September, 2018, 10:35:22 pm
On Mark's 1300 I did the Loch Ness (north side) A82 section through the night (got to Fort Bill around 3am - and I wasnt the only one!). Barely saw a car. More traffic would have helped me stay awake. No idea what it's like in daytime!

During the normal times considered to be daytime, just dinnae.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Pingu on 16 September, 2018, 10:38:44 pm
...Dingwall Nat 400 (2014?)...

2015.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 17 September, 2018, 09:33:17 am
"If getting run over is a preferable option. Cycling on the A82 is stupid."

The route doesn't take the A82 much after Paisley but the A814 through Helensburgh; A83/A819 past Inveraray. It uses the A82 between Fort William and the Erskine Bridge for the return leg by which time the riders will be well spread. I've ridden on the A82 many times myself and haven't found it that bad.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: IanDG on 17 September, 2018, 11:04:34 am
What to do, what to do? So much choice and much easier to access now that I'm relocating to the mainland  ???
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: citoyen on 17 September, 2018, 01:02:08 pm
Its possible to do more then one 1200km in a year.

In theory I'd love to do both, but if I had to choose... it wouldn't be an easy decision.

Well, my work schedule for 2019 makes PBP very possible and this 1200 impossible, so that pretty much makes the decision for me.

I'll have to find some other excuse to get up to Scotland instead...
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Nothereforafasttime on 17 September, 2018, 08:24:43 pm

The hostel at Invergarry is decent enough, and the owner is a cyclist and coffee sorcerer; I say that but I can't stand the stuff so...
If the timing fits he may be worth contacting;


Any bothy's nearby?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 17 September, 2018, 08:30:52 pm
If you added the North Coast 500 to the equation, you'd come up with a 2,000 km ride. That might make an interesting permanent, starting from Preston Railway Station. The many variants of LEJOG would provide some guidance for routing.
I rode the NC 500 this year and it is not easy. Also accommodation and food options are far apart and with the popularity of the NC 500 I would get booking NOW. We stayed in the Drumbeg hotel and the owner said they were already taking bookings for the following July. I would also consider doing the central highlands after the NC500 with the Lecht and Cairnwell on the road south before Perth after Inverness.

When I rode this in the summer the sun was unbroken and the problem was the heat. This may never be repeated.

Great idea. After the NC 500 I planned to ride back home to Reading and only managed Goole before catching the train. I was cooked.

BB
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 17 September, 2018, 09:53:56 pm

The hostel at Invergarry is decent enough, and the owner is a cyclist and coffee sorcerer; I say that but I can't stand the stuff so...
If the timing fits he may be worth contacting;


Any bothy's nearby?

hm, the MBA website has run out of map licences for the day; however if there is any suitable near the route chances are it'll be populated by the Tennent's swigging, double denim crew.
Probably better scoping out bus shelters on GSV if you're on a budget.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Nothereforafasttime on 18 September, 2018, 08:10:09 am
Thanks.

Watching Griff Rhys Jones on the telly on his walk around the Highlands and he stayed in a bothy and it jogged my memory!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 01 October, 2018, 07:39:05 pm
I have left this alone and it keeps coming back. Four days 300km per day. Start - Paisley - Inverness - Paisley - Finish. Looks very doable, I know the route and it gives a target that is not months away from the main Audax season.

Trying not to enter  :hand: :hand: :hand:

BB
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 02 October, 2018, 04:13:13 pm
Thanks to all those that have shown interest and entered. There's been a lot of interest in the Inverness 1200 and even more interest in the 1000. Everything's on course for a successful event. I've been inundated with people saying nice comments about the route. Some have said they'd prefer this to PBP, although I'm not expecting 6000 entrants. I'll be contacting all the entrants so far with the latest updates before I go off on holiday on Saturday.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Nothereforafasttime on 02 October, 2018, 04:14:13 pm
I've entered!  Looking forward to the challenge!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Nothereforafasttime on 02 October, 2018, 04:35:49 pm
Any ideas of accommodation around the 600km mark?  Seeing as the bag drop is way back in Paisley at 300kms chances are I probably wont have any bivvy equipment with me so I'm looking at somewhere in the warmth!

When is the route being published so I can scope this out?

TIA
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 02 October, 2018, 05:07:56 pm
Based on the estimated control sequence

600km on the Inverness will be Inverness; loads of options but book early.

600km on the Fort Bill will be Tyndrumish?
Hostels at Glen Coe and Crianlarich, hotels and B&Bs at all 3.
There's also a few mountaineering huts along the way, Lagangrabh, Blackrock, Inverdannan (Crianlarich)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 03 October, 2018, 06:33:15 pm
"When is the route being published so I can scope this out?"

This event doesn't use a mandatory route however, more often than not there's only 1 sensible way to go between controls and a route-sheet and GPX file will obviously be issued sometime before the event. A draft route-sheet will be issued sometime around early April but the final version, which won't be that much different from the first draft, will be issued in early June.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 02 November, 2018, 03:59:02 pm
Just to confirm after a couple of queries that there's no SR or any other qualification required to ride this event and entries are being taken on a first come - first served basis! I've put a note onto the event website advising riders.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 02 November, 2018, 06:08:32 pm
"If getting run over is a preferable option. Cycling on the A82 is stupid."

The route doesn't take the A82 much after Paisley but the A814 through Helensburgh; A83/A819 past Inveraray. It uses the A82 between Fort William and the Erskine Bridge for the return leg by which time the riders will be well spread. I've ridden on the A82 many times myself and haven't found it that bad.

Andy Corless
I surmise that the route north will turn across the Connel Bridge (with no excursion to visit Oban). The route I've plotted (as far as Paisley for the second time) is 922km. "The south-bound route from Paisley back to Lytham is exactly the reverse of the northern route direction!"
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782?beta=false
Lytham St Anne's, Cockerham, Lancaster and A6:, Kendal, Shap, Lowther, Penrith, Carlisle, then //M74 via Gretna to beyond Abington, Kirkmuirhill west on B7806 via Strathaven and A726/A727 to Darnley, Paisley, Helensburgh, Inverary, Connel Bridge (N of Oban), Fort William, Inverness, Fort William, Tyndrum, Dumbarton, Paisley

Benderloch (@480km, just north of Connel) has a shop (and a cafe iirc), is 60 odd km from Inverary and you'd have 70km to go to Fort William, with only the last 20km on the A82 (some with cycle path).
Lytham St Anne's > Paisley 322km (D1 0800-0100)
Paisley > Inverness 324km (D2 0600-2300)
Inverness > Paisley 275km (D3 0600-2100)
Paisley > finish 322km (D4 0400-2100)
Assumes 19kph average during each day's riding.
Time in hand = 5 hours
Sunrise 0440 Sunset 2202, (almost new) moon till midnight
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: durandal on 02 November, 2018, 06:21:07 pm
What're the numbers looking like for this? I'm waiting on a leave request, which is likely to take a while, before pushing the button!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 02 November, 2018, 10:05:35 pm
The shared use from the Ballachulish bridge to Corran ferry gets a bit narrow to use on a couple of narrow points in Onich.

If the road is truly horiffic, which would need an amazing day weather wise and and Weegie and English holiday combined (ridden up glen come on a day like that...) for the rubbish bit between Corran and Fort Bill it may be handy to know when the camusnagaul ferry runs and also consider the loop of Lochiall but that is a significant detour.

If its dreich you may be lucky and get only the odd local on a supermarket run to morrisons.

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 03 November, 2018, 03:13:49 pm
"What're the numbers looking like for this? I'm waiting on a leave request, which is likely to take a while, before pushing the button!"

About half of the places have been taken (which means there's about half of the places still left)! This is of course before the inevitable transfers.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: al-c on 04 November, 2018, 02:16:02 pm
Just got my entry in, that's next years motivation sorted, thanks Andy!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: jakemcree on 04 November, 2018, 08:33:52 pm
Hi Andy, how many spaces left on the 1000?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 05 November, 2018, 07:14:53 am
Hi Andy, how many spaces left on the 1000?
I have been thinking about the 1000. Where would the sleep be on the second day? The splits appear to be evenly spaced at 300km on the 1200.

BB
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 05 November, 2018, 04:26:42 pm
"Hi Andy, how many spaces left on the 1000?"

About half, subject to the inevitable transfers.

"I have been thinking about the 1000. Where would the sleep be on the second day?"

Plans and organisation is underway for a second control in the Fort William area, serving both events!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 06 November, 2018, 12:47:48 pm
"I have been thinking about the 1000. Where would the sleep be on the second day?"

Plans and organisation is underway for a second control in the Fort William area, serving both events!
Andy Corless
Lytham St Annes to Inverness (and back to Paisley)
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28889542?beta=false
Lytham St Anne's > Paisley 324km (D1 0800-0100)
Paisley > Fort William 216km (D2 0600-1700)
Fort William > Inverness 106 (D2 1800-2300)
Inverness > Paisley 273 (D3 0500- 2000)
Note route back from Inverness is about 50km less than outbound.
Paisley > finish 324km ? on D4
Assumes 19kph average during D1, D2 and D3 riding.
To finish in 90 hours so by 0200 D5.
Time in hand = ? hours
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 06 November, 2018, 02:04:35 pm
Kipping in the bushes around the 365Km mark may not be advisable and I can't see any evidence of all the abandoned caravans that used to litter that road on GSV...  O:-)

Which is unfortuantely around the point I reckon I'd want to snooze.



Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 07 November, 2018, 04:41:22 pm
"Kipping in the bushes around the 365 Km mark may not be advisable"

Just a reminder that plans and preparations are underway for a second control in/near to Fort William, serving both events.

We'll know more in early December when the next route check takes place.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 07 November, 2018, 04:55:31 pm
"Kipping in the bushes around the 365 Km mark may not be advisable"

Just a reminder that plans and preparations are underway for a second control in/near to Fort William, serving both events.

We'll know more in early December when the next route check takes place.

Andy Corless

Aye, I reckon for me Paisley will be too early and Fort bill too late for sleep, but Faslane looks just about right!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: slugbait on 07 November, 2018, 06:50:08 pm
What is the best way to get to the start (for those of us coming from the continent)? I'm in doubt between the ferry to Newcastle and the ferry to Hull. Both seem to be approximately 3 hrs by train from Preston, but I'm not quite sure whether Preston is the best train station to go to. I don't mind cycling 30-40 miles to go to Lytham St Annes, but prefer a hassle-free train ride (especially after the brevet).
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: yanto on 07 November, 2018, 08:01:11 pm
"Kipping in the bushes around the 365 Km mark may not be advisable"

Just a reminder that plans and preparations are underway for a second control in/near to Fort William, serving both events.

We'll know more in early December when the next route check takes place.

Andy Corless



Aye, I reckon for me Paisley will be too early and Fort bill too late for sleep, but Faslane looks just about right!

At the peacecamp?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: seasider on 07 November, 2018, 08:13:39 pm
There is a branch line from Preston to Blackpool South calling at Ansdell and St Annes on Sea, both a couple of miles from Lytham, depending on where the HQ is sited.There are a few hotels in Lytham (not cheap) a bigger choice in St Annes or the south end of Blackpool. The cycle ride from Preston station to Lytham is quite simple, some bike path,and a quiet country route a good option,a decent hours flat ride.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 07 November, 2018, 11:35:11 pm

Aye, I reckon for me Paisley will be too early and Fort bill too late for sleep, but Faslane looks just about right!

At the peacecamp?

That was the abandoned caravans and getting lifted joke...
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: slugbait on 08 November, 2018, 07:19:20 am
There is a branch line from Preston to Blackpool South calling at Ansdell and St Annes on Sea, both a couple of miles from Lytham, depending on where the HQ is sited.There are a few hotels in Lytham (not cheap) a bigger choice in St Annes or the south end of Blackpool. The cycle ride from Preston station to Lytham is quite simple, some bike path,and a quiet country route a good option,a decent hours flat ride.

Let me rephrase the question slightly: Is there a train station within 40 miles of the start that has direct trains to either Newcastle or Hull?

(And thanks for the hotel suggestions.)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 08 November, 2018, 09:48:00 am
"Let me rephrase the question slightly: Is there a train station within 40 miles of the start that has direct trains to either Newcastle or Hull?"

If you're travelling on the train to Blackpool you're very likely to go through Preston. There is some information on "How to get to the start" on the event website at: https://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/

You can try www.nationalrail.co.uk for rail itineraries.

Hope this is of help!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: mattc on 08 November, 2018, 10:31:57 am
(I'm mainly a user of trains in the South, but I'll chip-in anyway - hopefully Northeners can correct me!)

I think Preston is the best-connected station nearby. A little further away (60-70 miles) gets you to Bradford or Manchester. (the routes from there would probably be hilly or urban, respectively). Sadly Preston is on the main North-South line, so it's great from London, but not so good from Newcastle/Hull.


[ I looked at this map to get an idea of the main routes:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/documents/content/OfficialNationalRailmapsmall.jpg ]

Sadly the only way to find direct trains for certain is to play with the timetable site - and I think you've already done that!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 08 November, 2018, 11:11:00 am
Bit more detail on this map, but doesn't show where services actually run...
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/images/structure/css/nationalrailnetworkmap.pdf

'ull looks most appropriate in that there's a line right across to Blackpool, but a quick search says that unsurprisingly the trains needed are
Hull -> Leeds  (TPE, bikes need booked)
Leeds -> Preston  (Northern, No bike bookings so no the whim of the guard/conductor and the spaces being available)
Preston -> Blackpool South (also Northern)

From Newcastle
Newcastle -> CArlisle (Northern)
Carlisle -> Preston (VT West Coast - space needs booked)
Preston ->Blackpool South (northern)

hm reminds me need to sort out travel to Yorkshire Grit...
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: slugbait on 08 November, 2018, 11:46:58 am
Thanks for all the detailed suggestions: the railway map will be useful for other UK holidays. I guess Newcastle-Carlisle-Preston is then my best option.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Nothereforafasttime on 08 November, 2018, 02:50:28 pm
Are many riders doing the 1200?  Its seems a lot more are talking about the 1000.  Are there any reasons for this (apart from the obvious extra miles)?  There's obviously some incentives in reaching Inverness (greater variety of sleep opps, etc)....

It's funny that you would have thought with a name like McDonalds the fast food chain would be open 24 hours in places like Inverness ;)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 08 November, 2018, 03:16:38 pm
"Are many riders doing the 1200?"

There's about 60 entries for the 1200 and 75 for the 1000. Baring in mind that some riders who fail to qualify/can't ride PBP might want to ride the 1200 in order to claim various AUK/ACP awards.

Andy Corless

Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: jakemcree on 11 November, 2018, 06:38:49 pm
Anyone here planning to ride the 1000 and PBP?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 11 November, 2018, 07:26:57 pm
Anyone here planning to ride the 1000 and PBP?

Yes, there's over a month between them, reckoned that would be enough recovery and also a good indicator of how I'll cope... or make me realize that I'd better adjust my bookings to make use of the ferries for a late august cycle tour in northern france...
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: yanto on 11 November, 2018, 07:44:45 pm
Anyone here planning to ride the 1000 and PBP?

Yup that's the plan for me, with a few DIY 200's thrown in betwixt to keep the legs turning.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: jakemcree on 11 November, 2018, 10:39:43 pm
Ok, good to know. Cheers.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Clemo on 12 November, 2018, 03:03:12 pm
Well I have bitten the bullet  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 13 November, 2018, 07:54:34 am
I’m in. Hoping I get a mattress/bed and better sleep 😴 than I did on MP2016 😔
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 22 November, 2018, 04:43:03 pm
I entered the 1000 but thought sod it, lets go for fr the 1200 so my plan is as this

AirBNB the night before

Lytham to Paisley - 305km - 5th July - sleep over on stop but I have awful trouble sleeping !! must remeber to put a quilt in something ?

Paisley to Inverness - 264km - 6th July
booked Crown house Inverness

Inverness- Paisley - 264km - 7th July
Same as route there quickest most direct way but wait for Andy's plan

Paisley to Lytham - 305km - 8th July - stagger back and Premier inn booked !

sounds so simple eh ?? ha ha reading the thread seems a few variations on the route avoid A82 but is that really necessary as I travel fast dual carriageways to work every day !

Can not wait
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 22 November, 2018, 05:19:58 pm
seems a few variations on the route avoid A82 but is that really necessary as I travel fast dual carriageways to work every day !

If the A82 was a fast dual carriageway it would probably be fine... it's the fact that the points of concern are busy narrow twisty single carriageway roads and its people's ability to stuff their vehicles into the surroundings and other vehicles that's the problem! 

I can't find AADT or KSI stats right now but the reality of roads outwith the central belt, midland valley and Mearns is that some days they are nose to tail crawls and on other days they are deserted.
And so can be anywhere between a pleasure to ride on (the A85 at night or on a drizzly wednesday morning is fantastic for making progress) or an absolutely nightmare (A hot and Sunny Holiday Monday)

For the A82 the specific bits of concern are from Alexandria to Tarbert which is a slightly shorter route to the rest and be thankful than going road the coast from Helensburgh, which I've ridden at 3pm on a distinctly average Wednesday and hated (there is a NMU route on that section though) and from Fort William to Ballaculish; the rest is pretty much deserted most of the time as the AADT stats given for the Crianlarich Bypass (the only place you're likely to be heading for on the A82 after tarbert) are around 3000.

Depending on how the A9 dualling work is getting on may also affect the A82's traffic volumes as that's looking at very long sections of roadworks which may divert some tourists up the A82 that would otherwise take the A9 route.


Also don't forget the "Private Frazer" element of this...

Stats I've found
AADT stats  for the A82 Corran Ferry to Lochybridge are 8800 vehicles a day , that's annual average so summer and a nice day in summer are considerably high to make up for the low traffic in winter.
A82 is "more dangerous" than the A9
https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/News/A82-twice-as-bad-as-A9-for-crashes-07102016.htm
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 22 November, 2018, 05:29:47 pm
thanks for that and as a novice in that area then I will have to see Andy's route and then decide how he tackles it (or not). Plenty of time for that !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 22 November, 2018, 05:55:04 pm
When it comes to holidays
That weekend doesn't show as either Scottish Bank or Local Holiday for any of the councils.

Of the start dates of School holidays I checked only Aberdeen start their holidays that weekend, so it's likely that the mad rush to the airports and highlands will also be over (the discrepancy with the English holidays mean it's way cheaper to go away the first few weeks).


It'll probably be dreich anyway so the roads will be great!.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 22 November, 2018, 06:39:36 pm
Quote from: FifeingEejit

It'll probably be dreich anyway so the roads will be great!.

Wet is better for me then hot !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Feanor on 22 November, 2018, 06:52:05 pm
Wet is better for me then hot !

But both is better still.
What are you up to tonight?

Oh, sorry! Wrong Forum. Plz ignore. As you were!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 22 November, 2018, 08:10:48 pm
Wet is better for me then hot !

But both is better still.
What are you up to tonight?

Oh, sorry! Wrong Forum. Plz ignore. As you were!

don't you have apps for that  ;D
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 23 November, 2018, 11:36:08 am
fr the 1200 so my plan is as this
AirBNB the night before
Lytham to Paisley - 305km - 5th July - sleep over on stop but I have awful trouble sleeping !! must remeber to put a quilt in something ?
Paisley to Inverness - 264km - 6th July
booked Crown house Inverness
Inverness- Paisley - 264km - 7th July
Same as route there quickest most direct way but wait for Andy's plan
Paisley to Lytham - 305km - 8th July - stagger back and Premier inn booked !
sounds so simple eh ?? ha ha reading the thread seems a few variations on the route
Rough distances will be:
Lytham St Anne's > Paisley 324km
Paisley > Inverness 323km
Inverness > Paisley 274km
Paisley > finish 324km
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782?beta=false
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 23 November, 2018, 01:26:47 pm
thats though Ride GPS shows 974 for some reason so that is more than manageable and still get some decent sleep
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Nothereforafasttime on 23 November, 2018, 03:01:34 pm
I'll always have fond memories of my JOGLE back in 2013 where the route took us along the A82 through Glencoe en route to Glasgow from Fort William.  If it was good enough for Mr. Bond in Skyfall it was good enough for us, although I have to admit it was a bit hairy ascending the Glencoe Pass in the middle of Monday morning rush hour (thanks for that Deloitte).

Tragically, Sally Preece, one of the riders in our group during my LEJOG the following year were killed along one of the sections of the A85 near Killin so we all ended up being prevented from continuing our ride that day and missed riding most of this section - much to our disappointment but knew it was for the right reasons.

Still - I'm looking forward to returning to one of my favourite landscapes next July....

(https://andreasmoser.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/skyfall-road-scotland-scene.jpg)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Pingu on 23 November, 2018, 03:06:31 pm
thats though Ride GPS shows 974 for some reason so that is more than manageable and still get some decent sleep

It doesn't include Paisley to LSA, presumably as it's the same roads as LSA to Paisley.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 23 November, 2018, 04:39:31 pm
thats though Ride GPS shows 974 for some reason so that is more than manageable and still get some decent sleep

It doesn't include Paisley to LSA, presumably as it's the same roads as LSA to Paisley.

Ok thanks !!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 23 November, 2018, 05:56:17 pm
From Andy's text ( http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-586/ ):
"The south-bound route from Paisley back to Lytham is exactly the reverse of the northern route direction!"
I left off that last 324km as it complicates tweaking the outbound route as more detail on the recommended route emerges.
thats though Ride GPS shows 974 for some reason so that is more than manageable and still get some decent sleep
My draft route comes out at 917km (for the Inverness 1200, as far as Paisley). Don't know where "974" comes from.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 23 November, 2018, 06:04:26 pm
I am just going mad ha ha but that's great and looks like my plans are spot on ... Idea is to get to every night spot early as poss and start out early next day
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Nothereforafasttime on 24 November, 2018, 08:41:22 am
Is there a fixed route or can you tweak it to make it your own?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 24 November, 2018, 01:29:23 pm
As long as you get to the controls you can do any route they you prefer
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 24 November, 2018, 03:24:49 pm
Up glen coe on a manky day
https://youtu.be/l29ZsBo6tvM?t=682


Didn't have the video camera with me this year, although I did have working gears
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 24 November, 2018, 05:17:32 pm
thanks for that and the road surface looks a bit rough as well
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 24 November, 2018, 06:29:55 pm
thanks for that and the road surface looks a bit rough as well

Um... that's pretty smooth for Scotland...

We'll also have the "joy" that is cycling up Beattock on the B7076... I've looked at the alternative of going via the Dumfries and the Mennock pass and it's not a goer...
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: DCLane on 25 November, 2018, 12:35:40 am
It's the Gretna to Glasgow section that's making me pause about entering, having ridden it out and back on the Blackpool-Glasgow-Blackpool 600 in September. Mind you, I rode that on 23mm tyres ... and regretted it!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 25 November, 2018, 12:38:06 am
It's the Gretna to Glasgow section that's making me pause about entering, having ridden it out and back on the Blackpool-Glasgow-Blackpool 600 in September. Mind you, I rode that on 23mm tyres ... and regretted it!

What is so bad about it as I use 23 ! Just poor surface ?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 25 November, 2018, 12:44:37 am
It's the Gretna to Glasgow section that's making me pause about entering, having ridden it out and back on the Blackpool-Glasgow-Blackpool 600 in September. Mind you, I rode that on 23mm tyres ... and regretted it!
Careful choice of surface option helps, the cycle track section from Abington to lemahagow is definitley smoother than the road, as are a few sections lower down.

Given that the track in those sections is formed from the former northbound carriageway where the old A74 was dual carriageway I do wonder why the southbound and single carriageway sections have since had the tar eroded from the aggregate while the northbound hasn't. If only the council would sweep it once in a while as riding on 25 years of mulch is a bit dodgy.

I was on 28s which was fine on the way back down the hill though my stem bolts did loosen

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 25 November, 2018, 12:48:19 am
It's the Gretna to Glasgow section that's making me pause about entering, having ridden it out and back on the Blackpool-Glasgow-Blackpool 600 in September. Mind you, I rode that on 23mm tyres ... and regretted it!

What is so bad about it as I use 23 ! Just poor surface ?
Top surface of tar has eroded leaving the aggregate exposed but still solidly embedded. Result being a rather hellish climb. On the plus side there's next to no reason for anyone to use the road so it's pretty quiet.

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revolution9 on 25 November, 2018, 11:27:35 am
AIUI, parts of the current carriage way were the original hard-shoulder of the A74 which used a highly abrasive surface.   
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 25 November, 2018, 01:09:43 pm
AIUI, parts of the current carriage way were the original hard-shoulder of the A74 which used a highly abrasive surface.

hm, the A74 from what I vaugley remember was a narrow dual carriageway and a wide single carriageway, also with hard shoulders on motorways being a radical idea in Scotland (see the M90) at the time I'd be surprised if there was hard shoulder at all on the dual carriageway sections. I do remember a rather large parking area at the summit and sitting in it for a bit to get a rest from the long queue crawling south, or probably so the parents could get a rest from me and my brother moaning by feeding us.

My recollection was that on the dualed sections one carriageway was converted to cycle track and then the edges filled in (or not as the case is near moffat where it's hidden in the trees and utterly useless despite being full width due to the amount of debris) .

However what I have read is that when it comes to the A74(M) the contractor was given the option by the then secretary of state for Scotland to build either a D2M with the ablity to be widened to D3M at their cost in future or to be built as D3M; the contractor suggested that it could be done by building the 3rd lane to Hard Shoulder standards due to the fact that heavy vehicles are banned from it. The result of that can be seen in the surface in places.

https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=A74
Does say some section had "1m hard strips"

https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B7076
Describes what each section is formed out of; so it's a mix of the pre-1960s upgrade, the 1960s upgrade and new sections. And it's all a mess!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: yanto on 25 November, 2018, 10:15:17 pm
(OT) What an interesting web site SABRE is, just spent an hr or so looking the historical maps.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: mattc on 26 November, 2018, 12:07:36 pm
(OT) What an interesting web site SABRE is,
I cannot believe it is more interesting than the last few posts on this thread!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: yanto on 26 November, 2018, 02:31:54 pm
(OT) What an interesting web site SABRE is,
I cannot believe it is more interesting than the last few posts on this thread!

? eh, I didn't say it was, stop making up nonsense!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: 158Tester on 27 December, 2018, 07:33:21 pm
Have entered this and am looking forward to it very much - not sure what to make of the A82 fear that seems to be going on - I do know the A470  was pretty bad on BCM this year but hasn't put me off doing it again.  I am looking forward to news of facilities (or not) at Fort William so I can put my planning head on. See you all there!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 27 December, 2018, 07:35:15 pm
Santa was good to me ! Handlebar bag came as did the top tube one so hot to learn how to pack tight !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: 158Tester on 28 December, 2018, 05:42:23 pm
Have entered this and am looking forward to it very much - not sure what to make of the A82 fear that seems to be going on - I do know the A470  was pretty bad on BCM this year but hasn't put me off doing it again.  I am looking forward to news of facilities (or not) at Fort William so I can put my planning head on. See you all there!

Apologies Andy - This was meant to be a request for info about the proposed Inverness control - will it have sleeping facility at all?

Otherwise it might be a hole in the hedge!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 28 December, 2018, 06:40:31 pm
you can see bits of the A82 in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPmwv6fHv2c
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rod Marton on 04 January, 2019, 03:46:00 pm
Entered. Can't seem to work up any enthusiasm for PBP this year and this looks like an interesting alternative. Some of the roads look as if they may be unpleasantly busy - I had a taste of this on the West Highland 1000 last year - but hopefully it should be possible to avoid the worst by careful timing. Now I just need to plan a suitable schedule.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 04 January, 2019, 04:34:09 pm
Plan a schedule? I know the “fail to plan and you plan to fail” saying, but I’ve never been that organised to have a schedule (rarely read the Routesheet beforehand). Having the Routesheet, gpx file on the etrex, relevant pages from an old road atlas and a ready to ride bike plus eqpt takes enough planning for me. If I end up on a road at a busy time, I’ll find a cafe to hide in (if I’ve enough time) or plod on.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 04 January, 2019, 04:55:42 pm
The place you don't want to be on the A82 is ahead of a substantial number of other riders. That's when drivers start to take risks. It's better to be the first bicycle they encounter than the 30th.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: sg37409 on 08 January, 2019, 10:38:26 pm
The place you don't want to be on the A82 is ahead of a substantial number of other riders. That's when drivers start to take risks. It's better to be the first bicycle they encounter than the 30th.

Agreed. Last time I rode this was on the daylight audax. I hate this road for cycling.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 09 January, 2019, 07:07:20 am
The last Daylight was in 2007. Maybe traffic conditions have improved since then.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: mattc on 09 January, 2019, 10:12:11 am
The last Daylight was in 2007. Maybe traffic conditions have improved since then.
Althought that's not the last time it was used in daylight on a calendar event.

Traffic count is not a predictable thing, and riders impressions/reactions to it are even less predictable. It's a bit like weather vs climate.

I found it OK, but busier than I'd have liked on both rides (1 in each direction). It's a spectacular road, that is some compensation for the traffic count. But riding at the back of the Daylight '07 I did meet the sad sight of another rider in an ambulance (broken leg IIRC?).
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: fuaran on 09 January, 2019, 10:21:03 am
The Daylight was cancelled because the organisers realised it is no longer a suitable road for an audax event. And it has got much worse since then.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 09 January, 2019, 11:58:06 am
The Daylight was cancelled because the organisers realised it is no longer a suitable road for an audax event. And it has got much worse since then.

What I find a tad annoying is it's a prime candidate for providing a decent alternative, most of the Telford route is probably usable too as the 1920s upgrade was largely offline though wouldn't want to use it over the black Mount as it's bloody busy with walkers since it's now part of the WHW. Yet Sustrans' latest shouting in the area is about providing the "busy" route from Oban to Corran Ferry, which is usually pretty quiet on the road except at commuting times as it isn't the main route from the central belt to the west highlands.

As I've mentioned before the best bet for the A85 and A82 route is to ride it late evening, night or early morning as it'll be all but deserted, and in summer you'll only briefly need your lights.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rod Marton on 09 January, 2019, 02:23:27 pm
Mr Eejit has it right. A quick look at DfT's traffic counts (amazing what you can find on the internet) and a few ststistical assumptions from me suggest that peak flow over Rannoch Moor will be about 700 vehicles/hour. That's more than CTT would allow for a time trial course, and certainly more than I'd want for audaxing.

As far as I can work out, it should be possible to avoid busy times on the A82 heading up, but on the way back it will be more difficult. To do so would require some fast riding and/or unusual sleep times. To be honest I'd be happier retracing the outward route, even though it's 40k longer. But this would mean missing the control at Crianlarich.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 09 January, 2019, 02:24:47 pm
I ride regularly on major A fast dual carriageway roads in the middle of Brum. Are people really saying the A82 is worse than that ?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: bairn again on 09 January, 2019, 02:48:45 pm
I ride regularly on major A fast dual carriageway roads in the middle of Brum. Are people really saying the A82 is worse than that ?

The problem with the A82 is that at least in respect of the 35 miles between Crianlarich and Glencoe Village its an old fashioned two lane A road and its not wide enough for two modern cars and a bike.   

Add to that the fact that there's virtually no built up areas, no speed limits (other than the default national one) and no speed cameras means traffic both ways is very fast.  I drive Edinburgh - Ft William to my in laws fairly frequently with my most recent trip home last Sunday.  When driving at a steady 60 I was being routinely overtaken and had the added pleasure of a couple of close shaves with overtaking traffic coming towards me.   Expect that experience when on a bike.   

In summer I now use the A9 via Dalwhinnie to get to the Fort.  The A9 used to have a reputation for being one of Scotlands most dangerous road but the average speed cameras the full length from Dunblane to Inverness have made a huge difference.   

I last cycled the A82 May Bank Holiday 2010 doing a DIY twist on the Daylight 600, and Id not cycle it again.   
           


   
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 09 January, 2019, 03:02:56 pm
I suspect time will be more manageable for those on the 1000 than the 1200.


Comparing it to a fast dual-carraigeway in town with drivers largely with the same aims, get to work/shops.

The biggest problem is the mix of traffic; when I'm driving it I usually want to get somewhere, and I'll be stuck behind some t*rist who's crawling along at 30/40 looking at the hillsides, wandering into the wrong lane, and blocking overtakes I could have made; they'll then eventually complete their freak out and dive into a parking space at 60 to let me past.

Then there's the pinch points: very few of the bridges have been widened from the 1920s build; the bridge between Bridge of Orchy and the Black Mount switch backs is a great example (seen in the video); you're not allowed to overtake on approach anymore, but was a great overtaking spot if you timed it right before that was put in place... If you've a tour bus or lorry oncoming then you're stopping, if theres a tourist oncoming then they're stopping, if there's two locals approaching it then there's either going to be a tight squeeze or wing mirrors flying.

Middle of the day may actually be ok depending on what else is going on and the weather, it's the forenoon and afternoon tourist flows that are the worst.

and of course the lorries are the lorries regardless of the time of day.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 09 January, 2019, 03:16:06 pm
Thanks all !! Will see the map and check points andy sends out but I have to make Inverness by 10pm for my hotel on the Sat night !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 09 January, 2019, 04:00:35 pm
Doing the 1000 my biggest concerns are
the rest and be thankful (climbing over the fates on the old military road may be a necessary pain)
the Corran Ferry to Fort Bill section of the A82 which I reckon will be midday to late afternoon (depending on when leaving Paisely) so could be busy.
return I'm aiming for after the rush

Doing the Twilight Perm my biggest concerns are:
From the Climb out of Tyndrum to the Study
After that I reckon unless there's wind issues the speed I'll be going at will assist massivley.

But that's planned for the start of March, so chances are it's either that I'll spend a fair whack of time filtering the Ski queue or it'll only be a handfull of outdoorsey people on the roads.

Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 16 January, 2019, 09:43:29 pm
Another set of questions as I can not stop thinking of this !!

- presume at paisley plenty of power points ?
- food wise at Paisley is there nearby chippies etc or if desperate 24hr shops ? I always get VERY hungry
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: whosatthewheel on 17 January, 2019, 07:27:17 am

- food wise at Paisley is there nearby chippies etc or if desperate 24hr shops ? I always get VERY hungry

Yeabbut you can't eat carbs... how about a pot of goose fat in your rear pocket to boost those ketones?  ;D
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 17 January, 2019, 07:29:26 am
Actually when doing rides do not worry because shortage of food I would prefer !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 28 January, 2019, 11:08:09 am
Thanks to all those that have entered or volunteered to lend a hand on the Inverness 1200. The second route check is due to take place around the second week of March so everything's on course to be ready around the first week of April.

Regarding the concerns to the route, the route doesn't follow A-roads for the whole length. The A82 is only used for parts of the Scottish section. After Dumbarton, the route takes the A814 through Helensburgh and then across to Oban using the A83 and A819. The A82 is avoidable on the 1200 between Fort Augustus and Inverness. I understand that the Daylight 600 was discontinued due to the organiser's retiring and logistical issues, not due to increased traffic volumes. My advice is don't lose interest because of the main roads. It's not definite yet but I'm close to securing a second control at Fort William to serve both events.

All food/drink at the Paisley control is free. Sleeping; bag drop and shower facilities will also be available at Paisley.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 28 January, 2019, 06:56:40 pm
Thanks Andy that is much appreciated ! Can not say how damn excited I  am !!! So I can eat a lot to warn you at Paisley !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 28 January, 2019, 11:10:57 pm
Forgot to share the timings I worked out based on what I worked the distances out to be

https://1drv.ms/x/s!AlB7bV6RdTovhsd39Rc_iesG34wBYA

The timings for 15kmh seem to me to be ideal on the 1000km for the Highland section.
Should be able to avoid the morning rush of people staying in the area or getting up early to hit the hills, and the tourist traffic setting off from the central belt.
Hang around a bit into the evening out of Fort Bill after the rush of central belters heading home too, should get a reasonably quiet A82 up Glen Coe, over the muir and down into Strath Fillan and then down the Loch in the early hours, with enough time left to sleep before the last 300.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 29 January, 2019, 09:45:29 pm
Love the timings and they really help as I plan to do average of 20-22kph on all the legs of it
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 30 January, 2019, 12:06:58 am
Are you going to get the Inverness 1200 validated by LRM as well as ACP, Andy? (Link with LEL entry thread)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: psyclist on 30 January, 2019, 05:59:46 am
Are you going to get the Inverness 1200 validated by LRM as well as ACP, Andy? (Link with LEL entry thread)

It already is on the list of LRM rides published by LRM ... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQfZNLv8FAa2L1ydaV4y81I0Hqv9C7s0aekPdD-M8lisCbZ0kzW-aQRefEurWC5ugluOdEvVuOmEl8m/pubhtml?gid=1440686864&single=true (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQfZNLv8FAa2L1ydaV4y81I0Hqv9C7s0aekPdD-M8lisCbZ0kzW-aQRefEurWC5ugluOdEvVuOmEl8m/pubhtml?gid=1440686864&single=true)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 30 January, 2019, 09:43:25 am
Are you going to get the Inverness 1200 validated by LRM as well as ACP, Andy? (Link with LEL entry thread)

It already is on the list of LRM rides published by LRM ... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQfZNLv8FAa2L1ydaV4y81I0Hqv9C7s0aekPdD-M8lisCbZ0kzW-aQRefEurWC5ugluOdEvVuOmEl8m/pubhtml?gid=1440686864&single=true (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQfZNLv8FAa2L1ydaV4y81I0Hqv9C7s0aekPdD-M8lisCbZ0kzW-aQRefEurWC5ugluOdEvVuOmEl8m/pubhtml?gid=1440686864&single=true)
Thank you; and Andy.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 30 January, 2019, 10:50:30 am
For clarification purposes, Audax Clup Parisien (ACP) only validates BRM rides up to 1000 km. BRM events of 1200 km and longer are validated by Les Randonneurs Mondiaux (LRM).

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 30 January, 2019, 11:07:10 am
Sorry - I assumed that "BRM" meant an ACP BRM. I suspect the calendar software doesn't have an "RM" option so, for the 1200, defaults (or drop-down pick option) to BRM.
Fri 05 Jul 2019

   1200km  Enter this event online via PayPal.  08:00 from Lytham St. Annes, Lancashire    Inverness 1200
                BRM  [10000m]  £57.30    Andy  Corless

   1000km  Enter this event online via PayPal.  08:00 from Lytham St. Annes, Lancashire    Fort William 1000
                BRM  [8000m]  £57.30    Andy  Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 30 January, 2019, 11:27:16 am
For information purposes, copied from the AUK rules:

"Brevet de Randonneurs Mondiaux (BRM) is a term registered to Audax Club Parisien (ACP),
used to describe a cycling event of 200, 300, 400, 600 or 1,000 km, controlled through a series of
time and distance checks by means of a ‘brevet card’. BRM events are registered with ACP,
appear in the Randonneur Mondiaux Calendar published by ACP and, when held in the UK, also
appear in the AUK Calendar.

Randonneur Mondiaux events (RM) are as above but are registered with Les Randonneurs
Mondiaux (LRM) and are 1,200 km or longer.
"

The only exception I'm aware of is PBP which, despite being 1200+ km is validated by ACP.

Andy Corless


Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 30 January, 2019, 04:40:25 pm
Love the timings and they really help as I plan to do average of 20-22kph on all the legs of it

I reckon I can do about that pace between most controls too, so the interest is when I'd be leaving each control if aiming for 15kmh overall knowing that I'm able to leave late enough to avoid the times my previous observations of the sections that can be horiffic will be.

For those on the Inverness 1200 rather than the 1000, there is route options that largely avoids the A82 if your'e willing to put a bit of roughish stuff in.
There is the B8004 road from Banavie to the commando monument, that gets you past the road split at Spean Bridge, although less traffic takes the A86 than the A82
Though from Gairlochy you could potentially take the B8005 and then the Great Glen Way on forest track up the side of Loch Lochy
From North Laggan cross the swing bridge and pick up the track on the old railway to Aberchalder
The track (it's not a tow path, the canal was for sea going ships) beside the canal appears to be soft, loose gravel, but if you can tolerate off road then fair enough. That gets you to Fort Augustus from where you can climb Glen Doe and arrive at Inverness via Foyers or stay high a bit longer and drop down to the Loch at Dores.

I can't remember exactly which route is used by the Etape Lochness from the top of the Glen Doe climb.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 30 January, 2019, 06:34:17 pm
For those on the Inverness 1200 rather than the 1000, there is route options that largely avoids the A82 if your'e willing to put a bit of roughish stuff in.
There is the B8004 road from Banavie to the commando monument, that gets you past the road split at Spean Bridge, although less traffic takes the A86 than the A82
Though from Gairlochy you could potentially take the B8005 and then the Great Glen Way on forest track up the side of Loch Lochy
From North Laggan cross the swing bridge and pick up the track on the old railway to Aberchalder
The track (it's not a tow path, the canal was for sea going ships) beside the canal appears to be soft, loose gravel, but if you can tolerate off road then fair enough.
Imo a better option than the B8004 from Banavie to Gairlochy is the track alongside the canal on the east side, accessed opposite Banavie station (on the A830). Surface is hard-packed and smooth, and fine on road tyres and the track is wide.
"from Gairlochy you could potentially take the B8005 and then the Great Glen Way on forest track up the side of Loch Lochy"
Not recommended 500+km in to a 1200 unless both it's been dry and your threshold for off-road is low (ie very tolerant). It's a bumpy old track.
"From North Laggan cross the swing bridge and pick up the track on the old railway to Aberchalder" Surface is much looser than the aforementioned Banavie to Gairlochy canal track. I wouldn't (and I look for off-road options on every audax). Have a look at each end on streetview if you want an idea.
However turn onto the canal track (west side of the canal this time) at Bridge of Oich (by Aberchalder) and that's takes you all the way to Fort Augustus - again the surface is very good and the track wide.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Clemo on 30 January, 2019, 07:13:15 pm
Love the timings and they really help as I plan to do average of 20-22kph on all the legs of it


Though from Gairlochy you could potentially take the B8005 and then the Great Glen Way on forest track up the side of Loch Lochy

https://youtu.be/j97O1xLcjWA Took this a few years back when I had packed from Blacksheeps 1200 and rode back to Oban via the Great Glen.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: alexberry on 08 March, 2019, 05:59:08 pm
Just signed up :) Andy mentioned there are only ~10 spots left.....now 9!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 08 March, 2019, 06:19:49 pm
Welcome Alex, to the mad house
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Scrantaj on 15 March, 2019, 01:29:33 pm
In for this one :)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: willpom gwraudax on 15 March, 2019, 02:52:59 pm
Room booked at the local Premier Inn for Thursday night. PM me if you want the 'couch'. (I'm doing the 1000 and will be riding up from Bristol on the Thursday)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 17 March, 2019, 03:20:47 pm
Room booked at the local Premier Inn for Thursday night. PM me if you want the 'couch'. (I'm doing the 1000 and will be riding up from Bristol on the Thursday)

Will, was you on a fixie yesterday think you passed me a couple of times and in those conditions jeez that’s tough with no rest on the downhill bits
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: willpom gwraudax on 18 March, 2019, 09:00:20 pm
Not me. Dad duties.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 18 March, 2019, 09:02:39 pm
Not me. Dad duties.

That may have been the better option !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 06 April, 2019, 04:38:04 pm
Thanks to all those that have entered. A quick update: the event info' and provisional route-sheet will be ready within the next week to 10-days. A couple of different versions for the stage between Fort Augustus and Inverness are being put together. I suspect most riders will do the circuit. Either direction is OK!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 19 April, 2019, 09:39:43 am
I've had a couple of queries asking when the event info' and provisional route-sheet will be issued. I'm away this weekend but it should be ready within a week.

Entries still open but heading towards 100.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Clemo on 19 April, 2019, 03:33:34 pm
Thanks to all those that have entered. A quick update: the event info' and provisional route-sheet will be ready within the next week to 10-days. A couple of different versions for the stage between Fort Augustus and Inverness are being put together. I suspect most riders will do the circuit. Either direction is OK!

Andy Corless
Thats quite a pull out of Fort Augustus (both ways really but southwards is not so steep)although the road is going to be quieter
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 06 May, 2019, 07:30:11 pm
Hi Andy, any more confirmation and details  on the route ?

Just 8 weeks to go and I have to say I am bloody nervous ... had a bad cold for the last few weeks and finally better and just one calendar and one diy to go ( diy is around 480km) ....

Full of doubts but full of hopes !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 08 May, 2019, 06:21:58 pm
"Hi Andy, any more confirmation and details  on the route ?

Just 8 weeks to go and I have to say I am bloody nervous ... had a bad cold for the last few weeks and finally better and just one calendar and one diy to go ( diy is around 480km) ....

Full of doubts but full of hopes !
"

Route on its way to you and will be with you before 24 May (I go away that day)!

Just to confirm after a couple of queries also that the event doesn't follow a mandatory route, so you can use whatever roads you fancy so long as you visit all the controls in the correct order. Obviously, on some points of the route, particularly in Scotland, there'll only be one sensible route to follow between control points. This applies to both events.

More details on event website at: http://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 08 May, 2019, 07:59:15 pm
Thanks Andy !  That’s great
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 15 May, 2019, 06:48:15 pm
Quick update: Everybody who's entered should have had an email sometime over last weekend; but for those that don't know already I've managed to secure the use of the bunk-house at the start control for use the night before the event (Thursday 04 July). I can now offer entrants a room for the night before the event for an additional charge of £12.70. There's about 50 beds in total!

More details on the event website at: https://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/

Event info' and route-sheet on its way within the next few days. The same applies to the Fort William 1000!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 15 May, 2019, 07:10:08 pm
Thanks Andy got that but do you still have me on the 1000 ? I will be doing the 1200

Cheers ian
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 17 May, 2019, 09:08:59 pm
Transfer done Ian! I'll be sorting out the camping options this week before I go off on holiday on Friday. I think the camping options might work out more expensive than the bunk bed options.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 17 May, 2019, 09:34:56 pm
Thanks Andy !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 23 May, 2019, 05:21:23 pm
Andy has sent out the initial instructions and getting excited now for this ...
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 26 May, 2019, 03:19:40 pm
As Ian said, all those that entered should have by now received their provisional event information.

The route instructions still need 1 or 2 amendments so have been withheld for another 2 weeks as I'm currently away on a cycling holiday.

For those that don't know already overnight (bunk) accommodation in the event HQ is available for the night before the event (Thursday 04 July) for an additional charge of £12.70 (see event website for further details - link attached below).

Camping will also be available for an additional charge of £4 per night which will be payable on the day.

There'll be an event jersey available for purchase soon, typically costing £35 - £45 each. More details when I return from holiday next Sunday.

We've just about reached the limit on entries but with a few already dropped out I'll allow a few more in so entries are still open at present (see AUK calendar webpage for further details - link attached below).

Hope all your training is going well.

The same applies to the Fort William 1000 ride.

http://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-585/

Andy Corless

Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 01 June, 2019, 06:07:25 pm
I've had a couple of emails this week from people asking whether there's any bunk beds in the HQ left for the night before the event. The answer is yes there's about 15 left.

Everyone who's entered should have had their provisional event information emailed to them by now. If not please let me know ASAP. The final route sheet will be issued within the next 2 weeks.

The jersey design is now complete. We've agreed on a design with Ben Nevis on the front and Blackpool Tower on the back, and of course the AUK logo. Entrants should be able to order jerseys sometime this coming week. Copies of the design can be downloaded on the event website. Link below:

http://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/

As usual, the same applies to the Fort William ride.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 01 June, 2019, 06:13:11 pm
Like that Andy perfect first day one !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 03 June, 2019, 05:35:43 pm
So I am trying to plan now and thinking of doing Paisley to Inverness in one go ... so to confirm on likely route I am guessing that no real 24 hour services etc ??? So I would need to get enough food etc to last me until 7/8 am ? 
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Deano on 03 June, 2019, 06:04:36 pm
I'm sure there are 24-hour garages in Fort Bill.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 03 June, 2019, 06:18:25 pm
I'm sure there are 24-hour garages in Fort Bill.

They are just beyond Fort William, towards Inverness. We used to use one on the Daylight 600. They could be made the control.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.8351064,-5.0752723,3a,75y,324.04h,92.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D46.43592%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 03 June, 2019, 07:11:43 pm
I'm sure there are 24-hour garages in Fort Bill.

They are just beyond Fort William, towards Inverness. We used to use one on the Daylight 600. They could be made the control.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.8351064,-5.0752723,3a,75y,324.04h,92.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D46.43592%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Cheers so the stretch to fort Bill will need to make sure enough provisions then !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 03 June, 2019, 07:41:23 pm
So I am trying to plan now and thinking of doing Paisley to Inverness in one go ... so to confirm on likely route I am guessing that no real 24 hour services etc ??? So I would need to get enough food etc to last me until 7/8 am ?
Paisley to Inverness is 320km. The day before (starting at 8am) you'll have done 324km ish - presumably 0800-0200 ish so 18 hour (guessing but YMMV) and then sleep stop. Paisley control closing time (northbound) will be about 8:15am.
What time do you plan to start to "do Paisley to Inverness in one go " to arrive at 7am?  The Inverness control closing time will be about 11am.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782?beta=false
Just beyond (ie on the Oban road) the turning up over Connel Bridge (473km) there's a 24 hour garage at Dunbeg - 4km diversion 'stub' required. But it may be that Andy uses that garage as the '(near) Oban' control. But I don't think a control near Oban is necessary for route definition. From Inveraray to Fort William you'll be taking the A85/A828/A82 whatever.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 03 June, 2019, 08:10:54 pm
Thanks ! as I look at it (allowing for weather) I would aim to be in Paisley for around 10PM or so then rest up for a couple of hours and go then to try and get to Inverness for say 4pm, got an hotel booked so I get a lot of rest then !  For those of you with experience am I pushing this ??
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 03 June, 2019, 11:33:18 pm
I'm sure there are 24-hour garages in Fort Bill.

They are just beyond Fort William, towards Inverness. We used to use one on the Daylight 600. They could be made the control.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.8351064,-5.0752723,3a,75y,324.04h,92.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D46.43592%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Cheers so the stretch to fort Bill will need to make sure enough provisions then !

The garage on the A85 on the way in/out of Oban at Dunbeg is also 24hr...
Whether it's acceptable as the Oban control which is listed on that leg of the route is a different question. Saves a few km compared to dropping into town (unless there's an info to take us through Glencruitten)

Quick bash through the controls on the AUK site
Hackthorpe, - Village hall
Gretna Green,  - 24hr services, village shop (Springfield) or outlet village?
Abington, - 24hr services
Paisley, - Hall
Inveraray, - 2 outdoor cash machines, 1 at the RBS next to the town hall the other is a CashZone at the londis so you'll get a location code rather than "Inverary", nothing else open at night unless the car park on the short issues useful tickets.
Oban, - Dubeg 24hr petrol, cash machines in town, first ferry is iirc 5am so probably something open early morning
Fort William, - 24hr petrol at junction with the Mallaig road
Crianlarich, - Pubs/Hotels till midnightish, shop shuts around 5pm IIRC, station tea room shut sundays, nothing else...
Paisley, - Hall
Abington, - 24hr services
Gretna Green  - 24hr services
and Carnforth - Truck Stop?

Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 04 June, 2019, 09:10:00 am
Thanks a lot that’s brilliant to map out and make a note of
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 04 June, 2019, 12:17:35 pm
Quick update on Inverary
It's NoteMachine's that don't show location, they're found on Scotmid Co-Ops.
Think CashZone does but also likely to charge you for cash.

There appears to be a new big co-op in Inverary, which has a cash machine outside on "the avenue"
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Co-op+Food+-+Inveraray+New/@56.2287026,-5.076393,3a,86.4y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOGT_V_MSzxIXE7TISkWcZ3zbFOQKLBmpX91nAw!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOGT_V_MSzxIXE7TISkWcZ3zbFOQKLBmpX91nAw%3Dw152-h86-k-no!7i1280!8i720!4m8!1m2!2m1!1sshop!3m4!1s0x0:0xd13948796d6b695a!8m2!3d56.2287027!4d-5.076393

Unlike at ScotMids, Co-Op group ATMs are usually good for PoP.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 04 June, 2019, 12:34:50 pm
I've always preferred to get from Carlisle to Penrith via Calthwaite, which means that you can drop into Southwaite services easily. Likewise if you go from Kendal to Carnforth via Burton in Kendal, you can use the services at Burton.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 05 June, 2019, 10:16:56 am
I have amended my RwGPS plot: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782?beta=false
and made the following notes:
Cockerham, Lancaster and A6 to Carnforth. Then Kendal, Shap, Lowther, Penrith, Carlisle, then //M74 via Gretna to beyond Abington, Kirkmuirhill west on B7806 via Strathaven and A726/A727 to Darnley, Paisley, Helensburgh, Inverary, Dunbeg (NE of Oban), Fort William, Inverness, Fort William, Tyndrum, Dumbarton, Paisley
Notes:
1. Return route from Paisley is the reverse of the way north. In the final hour towards the Wyre, best to stay on the A588, though.
2. Carnforth to Kendal via Burton (A6070/A65: less climb and far less busy than A6 and A590 dual carriageway).
3. Have routed on A82 from Ft Augustus northbound (keen to get to Inverness stop) and then SE of the loch via Foyers for the return.
4. Pending the revelation of the 'Oban' control I have routed this track to the Esso garage at Dunbeg, a few km short of Oban. The '1200' distance is already 'long' and setting Oban as the control will just add to that (and it's a hard old hill out of Oban).
5. This route plot takes the excellent (surface and wide) canal towpath for the bit south of Ft Augustus and then again drops down to the canal past the Commando Memorial (photo) above Spean Bridge to take the towpath to Banavie and thence Ft William. Recommended (and flatter).
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 05 June, 2019, 01:02:44 pm
I've just realized I only gave the control list for the 1000 in my post above.

I've also been scoping out the possible scout halls in Paisley but don't want to batter out a route for the 1000 before andy confirms the actual control.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 14 June, 2019, 05:28:09 pm
got the last of my stuff ready for this. Though had to quit a DIY last week as weather too foul, and if as bad I will not start ! however one little treat ... got myself a new bike on cycle to work to scheme, a boardman Alu one which got for 850 (150 trade in for my old one !!) and only pay back 650 through scheme ...

nice study, reliable ...
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Jay_70_One on 17 June, 2019, 12:49:47 pm
Has anybody put together a GPX route for the Inverness one? I’ll bob something on using Komoot but I’m quite a main road kind of rider and it probably won’t suit everybody so would be good to make a comparison and where required, alterations. TIA
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Jay_70_One on 17 June, 2019, 01:09:11 pm
This is really useful, thanks  :thumbsup:

I'm sure there are 24-hour garages in Fort Bill.

They are just beyond Fort William, towards Inverness. We used to use one on the Daylight 600. They could be made the control.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.8351064,-5.0752723,3a,75y,324.04h,92.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D46.43592%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Cheers so the stretch to fort Bill will need to make sure enough provisions then !

The garage on the A85 on the way in/out of Oban at Dunbeg is also 24hr...
Whether it's acceptable as the Oban control which is listed on that leg of the route is a different question. Saves a few km compared to dropping into town (unless there's an info to take us through Glencruitten)

Quick bash through the controls on the AUK site
Hackthorpe, - Village hall
Gretna Green,  - 24hr services, village shop (Springfield) or outlet village?
Abington, - 24hr services
Paisley, - Hall
Inveraray, - 2 outdoor cash machines, 1 at the RBS next to the town hall the other is a CashZone at the londis so you'll get a location code rather than "Inverary", nothing else open at night unless the car park on the short issues useful tickets.
Oban, - Dubeg 24hr petrol, cash machines in town, first ferry is iirc 5am so probably something open early morning
Fort William, - 24hr petrol at junction with the Mallaig road
Crianlarich, - Pubs/Hotels till midnightish, shop shuts around 5pm IIRC, station tea room shut sundays, nothing else...
Paisley, - Hall
Abington, - 24hr services
Gretna Green  - 24hr services
and Carnforth - Truck Stop?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 17 June, 2019, 03:01:06 pm
I have amended my RwGPS plot: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782?beta=false

Just looked at that, some notes:
- Scout hut is at the Heyhouses lane end of the road you're starting on, shortest route likely to be inland to Poulton-le-flyde rather than up the beach, there's plenty of time to have a run in with weegies later on in the ride.
- Entrance to Gretna services is difficult to spot (not signed), and what's worse on exit you have to take the route signed "South" from the car park just to mess with your head (well not really, motorway services with direct access/egress of the motorway aren't meant to sign the Service/NMU roads), probably worth adding to the route.
- Stay on the B7076 at Lockerbie rather than go through town
- I took Stra(tha)ven road out of Lesmahagow on BGB last year, I'd hope Scottish water haven't got 6 sets of traffic lights on it this time, otherwise it was all right.
- There's an odd loop at EK, the less time spent there the better so...
- On BGB riders that went by EK instead of dodging it found decent cycle tracks alongside the main road that aren't on the OSM map
- Location of Paisley control may completely change approach route as when I was playing with Google it had a different suggested route for StJames, Canal and Gilmour Street.
- Route at Foyers on return from Inverness looks interesting, seems to be the longer and steeper option
- Return route goes down Fort William "High Street", The No Cycling restriction is policed, it's a dive anyway.
- A82 Crianlarich Bypass is mapped, if there is a control there then need to take the A85 and come out on the old A82 route by the west side of the station, the shop and hostel are on the road up the east side of the station, café can be accessed by either, but you're going to have to be quick to catch it unless they've decided to open on the Sabbath.

Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 17 June, 2019, 04:45:37 pm
Open on Sunday ??? I thought that was only western isles not the mainland ?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 17 June, 2019, 06:29:54 pm
Scotland's hit or miss on Sundays; places are either open normal or marginally reduced hours or they're shut.
If not for religious reasons then for staffing purposes.

Further investigation shows that the tea room's facebook page lists Sunday as closed, but the "about" says they're open 7 days easter to october.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 17 June, 2019, 09:13:22 pm
Scotland's hit or miss on Sundays; places are either open normal or marginally reduced hours or they're shut.
If not for religious reasons then for staffing purposes.

Further investigation shows that the tea room's facebook page lists Sunday as closed, but the "about" says they're open 7 days easter to october.

Ok so best idea is top up when I can then even if I don’t think will need it
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 17 June, 2019, 09:23:31 pm
Scotland's hit or miss on Sundays; places are either open normal or marginally reduced hours or they're shut.
If not for religious reasons then for staffing purposes.

Further investigation shows that the tea room's facebook page lists Sunday as closed, but the "about" says they're open 7 days easter to october.

Ok so best idea is top up when I can then even if I don’t think will need it

Should be ok at all controls during daytime, Crianlarich's the only one likely to be a problem in the wee sma' hours.
Away from controls, There's a Big Co-Op at Ballachulish (0700-2200) if you need it, Fort Augustus and Drumnadrochaid (Chippy 1200-2200 Sat, 1500-2200 Sun) are fairly decent touristic spots so should be ok during normal hours, middle of the night there will be nothing

It's when you see the "café 250m" sign in the middle of nowhere and your spirits lift and then discover it's shut; also most bike shops are shut Sundays, that's definitely for religious reasons.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 17 June, 2019, 09:25:57 pm
Cheers mate !! Adding to my plans and thoughts for it ... the key is what I do once I reach Paisley
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Phil W on 17 June, 2019, 09:39:23 pm
Crainlarich railway station is unmanned and has an unlocked waiting room at the far end with two long benches plus a heater and lighting.  Last train sometime around 10pm and first train is about 5:30am from memory; so there's a window when you won't be disturbed, it shows the time of next train on the trackside digital displays.  If you arrive early hours and need a rest / somewhere dry and warm it may be useful.  A picture of the platform together with the digital display may work as a timed proof of passage,  I slept there, early hours,  on the West Highlands 1000 last year.

Green Welly in Tyndrum has an outside water tap by the shop door.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 17 June, 2019, 09:42:20 pm
Cheers mate !! Adding to my plans and thoughts for it ... the key is what I do once I reach Paisley

For the 1000 and looking at my BGB time to Darnley (which was overnight and I faffed at controls) I reckon I could be in Paisley for 11pm; if it was a 600 I'd want to keep going until around 3am as by then I should get to sleep easily!
But that would put me near Faslane...

There's not a lot roadside on the A83, and my attempt to hide from hailstones in the bus stop at the top of the Rest was unsuccessful enough for me to make a dash back to the car (I'd decided to ride up all legs of it and had just decided not to repeat the descent and do the main road leg as it was busy enough and windy enough to be a problem on the descent)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Deano on 17 June, 2019, 11:37:33 pm
Has anybody put together a GPX route for the Inverness one? I’ll bob something on using Komoot but I’m quite a main road kind of rider and it probably won’t suit everybody so would be good to make a comparison and where required, alterations. TIA

24-hour McD's in Balloch as well, Jay :P https://goo.gl/maps/ATTnkpyB9S6C71p27
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Jay_70_One on 18 June, 2019, 04:55:39 pm
I would want a route filled with them
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 18 June, 2019, 06:27:22 pm
24-hour McD's in Balloch as well, Jay :P https://goo.gl/maps/ATTnkpyB9S6C71p27
Balloch - at 893km on the route I've plotted. Only an hour (or so) further to the manned Paisley control, though.
Have kept route through Lockerbie - for shop/cafe/fish and chips (?Tower Fish Bar).
"- There's an odd loop at EK, the less time spent there the better so..." I have removed the RwGPS 'East Kilbride loop' = 5km 'less'.
Have sent the route into/round Gretna Services - as FE said: very easily missed.
On way south, there's a shop as one enters Tyndrum which was open very early Sunday (on WH1000 - we didn't stop long as the midgies fancied a second breakfast too), with the Green Welly still comatose (but NB tap).
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 19 June, 2019, 07:12:26 pm
Andy has just sent an email update and check your mails for it
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 19 June, 2019, 10:00:17 pm
I dread to think what sort of creatures will be hanging around Balloch McDonalds in the early hours of a morning, or in fact at Breakfast, dinner or tea time.
Halbeath and Forfar can be disturbing enough.

Or are Alexandrians not allowed to cross the road?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 20 June, 2019, 09:37:20 pm
Jeez this time in two weeks will be in a hotel in Preston being nervous !!! Not decided yet on what bike to take, yesterday was sure !! But so nervous but yet so excited ... starting to feel real
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 24 June, 2019, 07:08:10 pm
surprised not much talk as the countdown happens !!

So these are now my final plans !!

- Travel up to Kirkham the night before and stay in hotel
- start at 08:00 from the Scout Hut at lytham
-Then try and get to inverness in one 600km ride (break at Paisley for a couple of hours). Hotel booked in Inverness for the Saturday. Get to Inverness around 3-4PM on the Saturday
- Rest up for around 12-14 hours
- repeat homeward journey to get to Lytham by 10PM on the Monday
- Hotel at Southport

Sounds fun eh !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 25 June, 2019, 05:33:17 pm
Paisley control is Bield Activity Centre, Wilson Street, Paisley.
I've amended this plot to visit that control (and the others!):
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782
Note Carnforth is the first/last control (ie both ways) now.
"Has Dunbeg been confirmed as acceptable for Oban?" Dunbeg IS the control, and then 69km to Fort William. Also cafe (1000-1730) in Benderloch (N of Connel Bridge) as well as a shop opposite.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: scrapples on 26 June, 2019, 10:07:31 am
Looking forward to this, everything set ready just need to remember my legs . . .

Am I missing the route sheet/controls email? I cant find them anywhere
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 26 June, 2019, 10:08:10 am
Because not been sent yet !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: scrapples on 26 June, 2019, 10:23:19 am
Because not been sent yet !
Quite
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Scrantaj on 26 June, 2019, 12:10:30 pm
Anyone heard from Andy re. route sheet etc for this?

Getting a bit twitchy as I'm very pressed for time to prep for this due to work and other commitments.  Was hoping to have had a definitive list of controls and a route nailed down by now.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: alexberry on 26 June, 2019, 02:53:37 pm
I was thinking of stashing a tiny tent and sleeping bag at the paisley control, then keep riding as far as my legs will carry me till i need sleep. Then dropping tent and and sleeping bag back at the Paisley control on the way back. Is anyone else approaching it in this way? I may get a few hours at Paisley, but ill prob want a beer and chill time at inverness, and CBA with booking accommodation, so will carry my little tent and risk getting eaten by mosquitos!
Thanks in advance for all the route notes, ill probably just copy someones well planned RidewithGPS route, as i have zero time to look at this in detail myself! Plan is to load up with food and see what happens lol!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 26 June, 2019, 05:09:28 pm
Mail arrived
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: S2L on 26 June, 2019, 05:42:21 pm
surprised not much talk as the countdown happens !!

So these are now my final plans !!

- Travel up to Kirkham the night before and stay in hotel
- start at 08:00 from the Scout Hut at lytham
-Then try and get to inverness in one 600km ride (break at Paisley for a couple of hours). Hotel booked in Inverness for the Saturday. Get to Inverness around 3-4PM on the Saturday
- Rest up for around 12-14 hours
- repeat homeward journey to get to Lytham by 10PM on the Monday
- Hotel at Southport

Sounds fun eh !

That means leaving the control at Inverness well past its closure time... how are you going to make up the time to be back within the limits at the following control?
Unless I am missing something...  ???
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 26 June, 2019, 05:47:04 pm
surprised not much talk as the countdown happens !!

So these are now my final plans !!

- Travel up to Kirkham the night before and stay in hotel
- start at 08:00 from the Scout Hut at lytham
-Then try and get to inverness in one 600km ride (break at Paisley for a couple of hours). Hotel booked in Inverness for the Saturday. Get to Inverness around 3-4PM on the Saturday
- Rest up for around 12-14 hours
- repeat homeward journey to get to Lytham by 10PM on the Monday
- Hotel at Southport

Sounds fun eh !

That means leaving the control at Inverness well past its closure time... how are you going to make up the time to be back within the limits at the following control?
Unless I am missing something...  ???

You may be as intend to get to Inverness at around 5pm Saturday and leave 5am Sunday or so for the return, so have I missed something haha !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: S2L on 26 June, 2019, 05:55:01 pm
surprised not much talk as the countdown happens !!

So these are now my final plans !!

- Travel up to Kirkham the night before and stay in hotel
- start at 08:00 from the Scout Hut at lytham
-Then try and get to inverness in one 600km ride (break at Paisley for a couple of hours). Hotel booked in Inverness for the Saturday. Get to Inverness around 3-4PM on the Saturday
- Rest up for around 12-14 hours
- repeat homeward journey to get to Lytham by 10PM on the Monday
- Hotel at Southport

Sounds fun eh !

That means leaving the control at Inverness well past its closure time... how are you going to make up the time to be back within the limits at the following control?
Unless I am missing something...  ???

You may be as intend to get to Inverness at around 5pm Saturday and leave 5am Sunday or so for the return, so have I missed something haha !

you might be right, as it's a 1200, so speed restrictions are relaxed, I was working on BR/BRM times... what's the time limit for the all thing 90 hours?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 26 June, 2019, 05:59:06 pm
surprised not much talk as the countdown happens !!

So these are now my final plans !!

- Travel up to Kirkham the night before and stay in hotel
- start at 08:00 from the Scout Hut at lytham
-Then try and get to inverness in one 600km ride (break at Paisley for a couple of hours). Hotel booked in Inverness for the Saturday. Get to Inverness around 3-4PM on the Saturday
- Rest up for around 12-14 hours
- repeat homeward journey to get to Lytham by 10PM on the Monday
- Hotel at Southport

Sounds fun eh !

That means leaving the control at Inverness well past its closure time... how are you going to make up the time to be back within the limits at the following control?
Unless I am missing something...  ???

You may be as intend to get to Inverness at around 5pm Saturday and leave 5am Sunday or so for the return, so have I missed something haha !

you might be right, as it's a 1200, so speed restrictions are relaxed, I was working on BR/BRM times... what's the time limit for the all thing 90 hours?

The control open and close and within my window for there and FW on way back
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 26 June, 2019, 06:30:32 pm
So these are my routes

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380264
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380344
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380377
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380422

Total is 1286km  seems fair enough to me, any thoughts please
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: smuttiesmith on 26 June, 2019, 09:18:47 pm
So these are my routes

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380264
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380344
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380377
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380422

Total is 1286km  seems fair enough to me, any thoughts please

I live in Kendal and would strongly recommend avoiding the A591 during the daytime. A reroute from carnforth to the A6 north of Kendal is possible avoiding the really busy roads and avoiding adding significant distance. If your not familiar with the area taking the Burton road A6070 and then the A65 through Crooklands is the easiest way. Even nicer routes are available but increases Nav requirements.

Would also recommend taking in Hutton in the Forest and Durdar between Penrith and Carlisle to avoid the rolling schlep on the A6
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 26 June, 2019, 10:03:34 pm
So these are my routes

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380264
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380344
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380377
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380422

Total is 1286km  seems fair enough to me, any thoughts please

I live in Kendal and would strongly recommend avoiding the A591 during the daytime. A reroute from carnforth to the A6 north of Kendal is possible avoiding the really busy roads and avoiding adding significant distance. If your not familiar with the area taking the Burton road A6070 and then the A65 through Crooklands is the easiest way. Even nicer routes are available but increases Nav requirements.

Would also recommend taking in Hutton in the Forest and Durdar between Penrith and Carlisle to avoid the rolling schlep on the A6
Thanks a lot I will do as you advise !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Clemo on 26 June, 2019, 10:28:15 pm
I was thinking of stashing a tiny tent and sleeping bag at the paisley control, then keep riding as far as my legs will carry me till i need sleep. Then dropping tent and and sleeping bag back at the Paisley control on the way back. Is anyone else approaching it in this way? I may get a few hours at Paisley, but ill prob want a beer and chill time at inverness, and CBA with booking accommodation, so will carry my little tent and risk getting eaten by mosquitos!
Thanks in advance for all the route notes, ill probably just copy someones well planned RidewithGPS route, as i have zero time to look at this in detail myself! Plan is to load up with food and see what happens lol!
I'm thinking along the same lines
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 26 June, 2019, 10:29:18 pm
So these are my routes

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380264
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380344
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380377
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30380422

Total is 1286km  seems fair enough to me, any thoughts please

I live in Kendal and would strongly recommend avoiding the A591 during the daytime. A reroute from carnforth to the A6 north of Kendal is possible avoiding the really busy roads and avoiding adding significant distance. If your not familiar with the area taking the Burton road A6070 and then the A65 through Crooklands is the easiest way. Even nicer routes are available but increases Nav requirements.

Would also recommend taking in Hutton in the Forest and Durdar between Penrith and Carlisle to avoid the rolling schlep on the A6
Thanks a lot I will do as you advise !
Btw so many people giving great advice and the community is brilliant !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Deano on 26 June, 2019, 10:49:48 pm
Ian, I've amended your leg2: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30382550

I think I've added what Steve meant about the route around Kendal (you were adding a lot of climbing), and I've changed the Penrith-Carlisle leg to what I'd say is the usual route (the A6 is fine, but as he says, constantly rolling - just follow the A6 for simple navigation, or go into the lanes for flatness). I've also added a tiny out-and-back to Lockerbie Truck Stop, which is the best food to be had in that whole area.

I'm sure I've seen Ajax Bay post on one of the threads about these rides - just nick his route and follow it, it'll be sensible.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Deano on 26 June, 2019, 10:58:02 pm
Ah, it's on the other one: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=109544.msg2351209#msg2351209
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: willpom gwraudax on 26 June, 2019, 11:11:23 pm
I'm a DNS. Premier Inn room available at Bispham on the Thursday night if any one wants it for a few squid. A little north of the start. PM me if interested
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 27 June, 2019, 09:50:34 am
I'm sure I've seen Ajax Bay post on one of the threads about these rides - just nick his route and follow it, it'll be sensible.
Deano - you are too kind. I've done my best. About 8 posts up ^^^ in this thread. I have another 'mirror' route plot for the 1000 benefitting from  early sight of Andy's routesheets. Note my comments in RwGPS route regarding towpath use (recommended) south of Fort Augustus.
Paisley control is Bield Activity Centre, Wilson Street, Paisley.
I've amended this plot to visit that control (and the others!):
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782
Note Carnforth is the first/last control (ie both ways) now.
"Has Dunbeg been confirmed as acceptable for Oban?" Dunbeg IS the control, and then 69km to Fort William. Also cafe (1000-1730) in Benderloch (N of Connel Bridge) as well as a shop opposite.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: alexberry on 27 June, 2019, 09:53:11 am
Does anyone have a GPS route of the full Inverses 1200 route (not broken down) complete with all the controls that they want to share? Happy to not hold the plotter accountable for any errors! :) Something that would avoid the horrid reads that everyone is talking about would be preferable!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 27 June, 2019, 10:29:47 am
Does anyone have a GPS route of the full Inverses 1200 route (not broken down) complete with all the controls that they want to share? Happy to not hold the plotter accountable for any errors! :) Something that would avoid the horrid reads that everyone is talking about would be preferable!
Alex
The route I've offered on RwGPS
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782?beta=false
allows you to export a gpx or tcx file. But since the route back from Paisley is the exact reverse (?Inverses :) of the route out I have not plotted it ('cos it makes it difficult to amend the outward route). You'll probably find the Paisley-Lytham leg separately plotted by another, maybe on the FW 1000 thread.
What do you mean by "complete with all the controls"? On The route I've offered each control has an excursion on the route (eg Carnforth, Gretna, Abington, Paisley, Inveraray, Dunbeg(Oban) and Inverness). Other PoP locations are acceptable.
Please specify which "horrid reads" you think it's worth avoiding.  The Times? The Grauniad? Imo the worst road is Corran to Ft William (10 miles) both ways, and that is (in practice) unavoidable. There's lots of cyclepath from Dunbeg to Corran. some of which is good to ride on, but a randonneur will lose time. I sometimes think that the places a cyclepath rejoins the main road are points of added risk. On the WH1000 last year I deliberately tried to use as much of that cyclepath as possible, both ways en route to the Corran ferry, but I had plenty of time and it was a glorious day.
I've just amended the route to reflect the routesheet round East Kilbride rather than the dual carriageways.
I have routed south of Kendal on the route/roads I think best, down to Carnforth, avoiding the main road. There are several options to avoid the A6 from Penrith to Carlisle. An atlas is your friend.
But this ride is a long way and the miles have to be ridden. Sometimes quieter roads are both further, have more scenery and might actually be no safer that wide A roads with good sight lines. YMMV. Recommend you spoend some time with a paper road atlas.
   
'Out of hours' PoP in Crianlarich may be difficult (only applies to the fuller value rider). On the way south the optimum route from FW to Paisley is via Crianlarich so really that control is really a 'have something to eat and drink' control (and to avoid a 'too long between controls Audax UK' leg), rather than one for route definition. I'm sure Andy will offer guidance.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 27 June, 2019, 04:01:06 pm
For me the forecasts for(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190627/667d65bcfd7a01a3fdd3b0fd0bd8d903.jpg) next week have been consistent and look perfect for me ! Hardly summer weather but cool ! This for Inverness
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 27 June, 2019, 04:26:59 pm
Ephemera
East Kilbride
https://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=55.764120,-4.176690&dt=20190705000700%2B0100&z=12&spn=0.07,0.30&center=55.7641,-4.1767
Inverness
https://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=57.479080,-4.223980&dt=20190706000700%2B0100&z=12&spn=0.07,0.30&center=57.4791,-4.2240
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 27 June, 2019, 04:29:22 pm
I never realised how light Scotland was at this time of year at 22:30 this was her view north of Glasgow (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190627/8f7f2a17cd6ea11e9c9e0f528308b80b.jpg)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 27 June, 2019, 04:48:56 pm
Ach the nichts are fair drawing in noo and it'll nae be a braw bricht moonlicht nicht tha' nicht wi the mune settin at midnicht.


Yes, it wasn't lost on me that I'd traveled somewhere that there is actually nighttime for the solstice when I looked out the Sleaford travelodge window and saw the sun setting at half 9 at night.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@2640677

There's no actual night time in Paisley until the 9th of August, and in Inverness it's not until the 15th
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: disrail on 27 June, 2019, 06:59:20 pm
I was thinking of stashing a tiny tent and sleeping bag at the paisley control, then keep riding as far as my legs will carry me till i need sleep. Then dropping tent and and sleeping bag back at the Paisley control on the way back. Is anyone else approaching it in this way? I may get a few hours at Paisley, but ill prob want a beer and chill time at inverness, and CBA with booking accommodation, so will carry my little tent and risk getting eaten by mosquitos!
Thanks in advance for all the route notes, ill probably just copy someones well planned RidewithGPS route, as i have zero time to look at this in detail myself! Plan is to load up with food and see what happens lol!
I'm thinking along the same lines


I'm testing out a light sleeping bag and bivvy bag combo which go in my bar bag, but not popping them in the bag drop. We'll see how far my legs and brain get me past Paisley before having a kip.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 27 June, 2019, 07:35:20 pm
Disfail, foolishly I am going to try to get to Inverness after Paisley without kip but got the bivvy
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Clemo on 27 June, 2019, 11:23:34 pm


I live in Kendal and would strongly recommend avoiding the A591 during the daytime. A reroute from carnforth to the A6 north of Kendal is possible avoiding the really busy roads and avoiding adding significant distance. If your not familiar with the area taking the Burton road A6070 and then the A65 through Crooklands is the easiest way. Even nicer routes are available but increases Nav requirements.

Would also recommend taking in Hutton in the Forest and Durdar between Penrith and Carlisle to avoid the rolling schlep on the A6
As other have said thanks for the suggestions, I had planned the first suggestion by looking at the map prior to you mentioning it based on previous experience, the A6 between Penrith and Carlisle I have ridden before but it was at silly o'clock so no traffic so thanks for the suggestion I have included your advice in my plans.

I have split my ride into 4

324 kms day 1 to Paisley
421 kms day 2 to a wild camp somewhere near Fort Bill on the return.
402 kms day 3 with a stop off at Paisley
106 kms day 4 mostly downhill and easy on the head.

That's the plan lets see how it goes.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: alexberry on 28 June, 2019, 10:42:07 am


I live in Kendal and would strongly recommend avoiding the A591 during the daytime. A reroute from carnforth to the A6 north of Kendal is possible avoiding the really busy roads and avoiding adding significant distance. If your not familiar with the area taking the Burton road A6070 and then the A65 through Crooklands is the easiest way. Even nicer routes are available but increases Nav requirements.

Would also recommend taking in Hutton in the Forest and Durdar between Penrith and Carlisle to avoid the rolling schlep on the A6
As other have said thanks for the suggestions, I had planned the first suggestion by looking at the map prior to you mentioning it based on previous experience, the A6 between Penrith and Carlisle I have ridden before but it was at silly o'clock so no traffic so thanks for the suggestion I have included your advice in my plans.

I have split my ride into 4

324 kms day 1 to Paisley
421 kms day 2 to a wild camp somewhere near Fort Bill on the return.
402 kms day 3 with a stop off at Paisley
106 kms day 4 mostly downhill and easy on the head.

That's the plan lets see how it goes.

I was thinking of camping at fort william, but the midge forecast look pretty horrific there Midge forecast says "thats no mist thats midge" https://www.smidgeup.com/midge-forecast/ I have never cycled in scotland so i dont know if this is hype or not!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 28 June, 2019, 10:50:38 am
It's not hype...
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: disrail on 28 June, 2019, 02:26:35 pm
Disfail, foolishly I am going to try to get to Inverness after Paisley without kip but got the bivvy

You're not the guy with the full disc rear wheel are you??  ;)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: disrail on 28 June, 2019, 02:29:14 pm
So a quick routing question?

I'm going to do the alternative to the A82 between Fort Augustus and Inverness either on the outward or return.

Any opinions on which this should be or the decision I should make on the time of day? Guessing the Alternative will be nicer during the day??
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 28 June, 2019, 02:45:05 pm
So a quick routing question?
I'm going to do the alternative to the A82 between Fort Augustus and Inverness either on the outward or return.
Any opinions on which this should be or the decision I should make on the time of day? Guessing the Alternative will be nicer during the day??
Because the profile is a steady but steeper climb going north and then a long run in to Inverness, mostly downhill, I think going SE of the loch on the way up is best, as I have routed.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782
If you press on up the A82 then going that way south means you have a rather wasteful (in potential > kinetic energy terms) descent to Fort Augustus. And the temptation to just bang down the A82 instead of enjoying the Foyers road.
As for light, there's less than four hours of darkness and some/most of those are going to be spent kipping.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 28 June, 2019, 03:24:11 pm
So real question everyone ... if midge report is high and even on the move are shaved legs better than unshaved as I never shave mine as pic shows very hairy ! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190628/d016507759221e6ee1612a1e84b4cacf.jpg) today’s ride even here bitten a lot !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 28 June, 2019, 03:53:02 pm
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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 28 June, 2019, 04:32:28 pm
Midgies have a speed limit at which they are effective; this should also be considered with gradient of hills.

Rúm is one of the worst locations for the dreaded Midge and I managed to keep them off me on a reasonable climb (MTB) by staying above 5kmh, however I stupidly made the schoolboy error of stopping to take a photo (because the roads are too rough there to do so on the move) at which point I was surrounded by them and somehow avoided being bitten to death, it seems they just don't like my blood.

A wind speed above 10kmh is desirable on the west coast of Scotland because that exceeds their safe flying conditions and they stay hidden or congregate in shelter, the bad news is that most places that look good for bivvying or camping are in that shelter and are often also cracking photo spots.

In reality the only way to minimize your midgie annoyance is to have a sacrificial "Bruce"; these are people who are the most attractive to midgies and therefore get the attention.

Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 28 June, 2019, 04:43:52 pm
Forecast for Oban next week is cool, cloudy, a bit damp but low wind .... midge perfect ???
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 28 June, 2019, 04:44:08 pm
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Not that bad !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 28 June, 2019, 04:52:38 pm
Forecast for Oban next week is cool, cloudy, a bit damp but low wind .... midge perfect ???

Yup.... But long term forecasts are meaningless in maritime climates.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 28 June, 2019, 04:54:31 pm
Disfail, foolishly I am going to try to get to Inverness after Paisley without kip but got the bivvy

You're not the guy with the full disc rear wheel are you??  ;)

Haha nope not me but someone who struggles to sleep so might as well push on
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 28 June, 2019, 04:55:31 pm
Forecast for Oban next week is cool, cloudy, a bit damp but low wind .... midge perfect ???

Yup.... But long term forecasts are meaningless in maritime climates.... :thumbsup:

Yeah I know ... just praying it is right !! But no signs of heat like today so that’s perfect for me !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 28 June, 2019, 09:20:24 pm
Anything over 15c is excessive heat up here, I'm on my way to Gourock for the Argyll alps tomorrow and there was the typically Weegie sight of men in summer business suits standing along side men thay really should be wearing more than just a pair of Nike shorts and sannies

The official term for these conditions is "taps aff"

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 28 June, 2019, 09:22:20 pm
Said before my inspiration was always ‘saddle sore’ I saw with the temps in mid high 30’s and just how bad was that !!!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 28 June, 2019, 09:26:32 pm
The previous post was a warning not a weather forecast!
At 30c im in hiding..

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 28 June, 2019, 09:29:27 pm
The previous post was a warning not a weather forecast!
At 30c im in hiding..

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So am I !!! And no worries next week of shirtless jocks !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rod Marton on 28 June, 2019, 09:34:55 pm
Midgies have a speed limit at which they are effective; this should also be considered with gradient of hills.

Rúm is one of the worst locations for the dreaded Midge and I managed to keep them off me on a reasonable climb (MTB) by staying above 5kmh, however I stupidly made the schoolboy error of stopping to take a photo (because the roads are too rough there to do so on the move) at which point I was surrounded by them and somehow avoided being bitten to death, it seems they just don't like my blood.

A wind speed above 10kmh is desirable on the west coast of Scotland because that exceeds their safe flying conditions and they stay hidden or congregate in shelter, the bad news is that most places that look good for bivvying or camping are in that shelter and are often also cracking photo spots.

In reality the only way to minimize your midgie annoyance is to have a sacrificial "Bruce"; these are people who are the most attractive to midgies and therefore get the attention.

One of my abiding memories of the West Highland 1000 is riding through the night with a continual stream of midges impacting on my face. Fortunately the impacts were too rapid for them to bite. I'm hoping that this event will have rather fewer of them.

I must confess that before this I had had little experience of midges, but I have had many intimate encounters with Siberian mosquitoes. The good thing about mosquitoes are that they are smaller, so they are swept past you rather getting a face full of them. The bad thing about them is that they are even more voracious than midges. So when I am attacked by midges I can just think back to western Siberia and remember how things could be much much worse.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: AlanM on 29 June, 2019, 08:58:04 am
Morning All
I've booked a room at Travelodge Glasgow Airport, just a couple of KM from the Paisley control, for the SUNDAY night. I'm not planning on using it any more. It was £40, would be accept a donation to a cancer charity I support. DM if interested. See you soon
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: disrail on 29 June, 2019, 12:53:26 pm

I've just been routing and looking at the A82 on google maps. Wondering if a reroute through Dumbarton and the Renton on the B857 may be more pleasant. The National Speed limit Dual carriageway, with narrow lanes at times and no shoulder looks a bit spicy!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 29 June, 2019, 12:54:26 pm
After advice from locals I will be doing that but been told it is spicy there with locals !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 29 June, 2019, 08:52:19 pm
I've just been routing and looking at the A82 on google maps. Wondering if a reroute through Dumbarton and the Renton on the B857 may be more pleasant.
Like this line, perhaps, through Alexandria, Renton and then join the A814 through Dumbarton?
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782
(at 900km)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 30 June, 2019, 12:41:03 am
Was at the rest today on the Argyll alps 200, there's traffic light Control on the a83 route due to mountainside movement mitigation works.

Looked like a fairly lengthy light section which may be problematic, military road route had the usual hurdles despite being ncn...

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Clemo on 30 June, 2019, 12:09:30 pm
Was at the rest today on the Argyll alps 200, there's traffic light Control on the a83 route due to mountainside movement mitigation works.

Looked like a fairly lengthy light section which may be problematic, military road route had the usual hurdles despite being ncn...

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Thanks for the heads up,

Where is the military road bit?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 30 June, 2019, 12:16:36 pm
Was at the rest today on the Argyll alps 200, there's traffic light Control on the a83 route due to mountainside movement mitigation works.

Looked like a fairly lengthy light section which may be problematic, military road route had the usual hurdles despite being ncn...

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Thanks for the heads up,

Where is the military road bit?
It's marked as a white on the OS map, the routes diverge just before the gradient increases on the A83, the military road waits a bit then sends you up at a greater rate so only worth it if you're there and traffics proper rubbish

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 30 June, 2019, 12:17:06 pm
Was at the rest today on the Argyll alps 200, there's traffic light Control on the a83 route due to mountainside movement mitigation works.
Looked like a fairly lengthy light section which may be problematic, military road route had the usual hurdles despite being ncn...
Thanks for the heads up,
Where is the military road bit?
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=223002&y=707450&z=120&sv=223002,707450&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=676&ax=223002&ay=707450&lm=0
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Clemo on 30 June, 2019, 12:18:19 pm
Was at the rest today on the Argyll alps 200, there's traffic light Control on the a83 route due to mountainside movement mitigation works.

Looked like a fairly lengthy light section which may be problematic, military road route had the usual hurdles despite being ncn...

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Thanks for the heads up,

Where is the military road bit?
It's marked as a white on the OS map, the routes diverge just before the gradient increases on the A83, the military road waits a bit then sends you up at a greater rate so only worth it if you're there and traffics proper rubbish

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Thanks, found it I need to scroll in further to see it.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Clemo on 30 June, 2019, 12:23:00 pm
Was at the rest today on the Argyll alps 200, there's traffic light Control on the a83 route due to mountainside movement mitigation works.
Looked like a fairly lengthy light section which may be problematic, military road route had the usual hurdles despite being ncn...
Thanks for the heads up,
Where is the military road bit?
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=223002&y=707450&z=120&sv=223002,707450&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=676&ax=223002&ay=707450&lm=0
Thankls, vastly more obvious on the good old OS mapping rather than Google.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 30 June, 2019, 12:31:00 pm
Was at the rest today on the Argyll alps 200, there's traffic light Control on the a83 route due to mountainside movement mitigation works.
Looked like a fairly lengthy light section which may be problematic, military road route had the usual hurdles despite being ncn...
Thanks for the heads up,
Where is the military road bit?
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=223002&y=707450&z=120&sv=223002,707450&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=676&ax=223002&ay=707450&lm=0
Thankls, vastly more obvious on the good old OS mapping rather than Google.
Google mapping is designed to only be of use when using Google directions on a Google slab while eating Google Confectionary.
It'll also happily send you on a walk up tower ridge on the Ben if you're not careful... Locha er MRT are loving that

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Deano on 01 July, 2019, 11:26:03 am

I've just been routing and looking at the A82 on google maps. Wondering if a reroute through Dumbarton and the Renton on the B857 may be more pleasant. The National Speed limit Dual carriageway, with narrow lanes at times and no shoulder looks a bit spicy!

You could head out to one of the ferries from Gourock to either Kilcreggan or Hunters Quay, then up the lochs. There's an old railway line from Paisley which is pretty ridable and takes you to Port Glasgow.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 01 July, 2019, 12:00:59 pm
No need to use the dualer in either direction, Erskine to hellensburgh there's cycle paths and town roads and Balloch to Erskine you can ride through the schemes... The dualler may be safer...

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 01 July, 2019, 12:12:22 pm
You could head out to one of the ferries from Gourock to either Kilcreggan or Hunters Quay, then up the lochs. There's an old railway line from Paisley which is pretty ridable and takes you to Port Glasgow.
See the FW 1000 thread posts #19, #20 and #25 for discussion/factors on the ferry options west of the Erskine Bridge. Entirely doable and the audacious choice, provided a rider's schedule means they won't have to wait for the first ferry of the day - which I think is at the 22 and 1/2 hours point (ie after 0800 Fri) having ridden (and slept) 340+km.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 01 July, 2019, 01:14:42 pm
First Western Ferry on a Saturday is 0730, Paisley shuts 0759 for 1000ers so it's a bit close to time for adding the distance.
It would of course allow the dodging of the Rest and Be Thankful.

It doesn't work on the return at all due to the need to control in Crianlarich.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Deano on 01 July, 2019, 01:16:10 pm
You could head out to one of the ferries from Gourock to either Kilcreggan or Hunters Quay, then up the lochs. There's an old railway line from Paisley which is pretty ridable and takes you to Port Glasgow.
See the FW 1000 thread posts #19, #20 and #25 for discussion/factors on the ferry options west of the Erskine Bridge. Entirely doable and the audacious choice, provided a rider's schedule means they won't have to wait for the first ferry of the day - which I think is at the 22 and 1/2 hours point (ie after 0800 Fri) having ridden (and slept) 340+km.


Bloody hell, John, I'm not reading all of both threads :)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rod Marton on 01 July, 2019, 01:44:15 pm
First Western Ferry on a Saturday is 0730, Paisley shuts 0759 for 1000ers so it's a bit close to time for adding the distance.
It would of course allow the dodging of the Rest and Be Thankful.

It doesn't work on the return at all due to the need to control in Crianlarich.

First ferry from Gourock to Dunoon is at 06-20, which makes this route a little more practicable. For fast riders the last ferry on Friday evening (OK Saturday morning) is at 01-00, which means 340k in 17 hours. I was toying with the idea of using this route, but I don't think I'm quite fast enough for the last ferry and don't really want to wait for the morning one.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 01 July, 2019, 02:13:11 pm
Never thought to check the calmac timetable, Argyll Flyer and Ali Cat have a reputation for being unreliable, they also don't have much deck space.
Which makes it odd the Gourock - Dunoon timetable doesn't have the "Groups of 6 or more" caveat.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: alexberry on 03 July, 2019, 12:12:56 pm
Think my plan is really ready now. Thanks Ajax for the route, i have updated it to include the leg from Paisley to Lytham in a single file. Comes in at 1250km - link here:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30443970

I will be camping at Inverness on Saturday here:
http://www.invernesscaravanpark.com/
and Abington on Sunday night here:
https://www.campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk/campsites/uk/lanarkshire/abington/mountviewcaravanpark/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwpPHoBRC3ARIsALfx-_IeM3V-G8tWH7sfL80fKB0i7tzULtZY6RTcbpvSbni5Io3HvCNOG0gaAg8KEALw_wcB

i was going to wild camp at FW but the midge forecast has put me off completely, hence camping in Inverness and will ahve a few beers / pub lunch, hopefully hook up with the Pan Celtic lot and have a laugh.

I think theres plenty of space available at these locations, so let me know if your also going to use these spots.

Lastly, im riding over from Manchester at around 4pm on Thursday, if anyone else is heading over let me know and we could hook up.

Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 03 July, 2019, 02:22:14 pm
Best of luck for the ride, everyone.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 03 July, 2019, 07:58:19 pm
Thanks Ajax and finally after much dithering my final set up - May try and squash it even more !  But time to stop tinkering !!

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Phil W on 03 July, 2019, 08:08:41 pm
Have fun all
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: alexberry on 03 July, 2019, 09:15:38 pm
I'm all ready too...hipflask packed!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190703/2a8f6db05647ccd92d288dfe24d0face.jpg)

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 04 July, 2019, 09:06:36 am
 Nice bike !
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 06 July, 2019, 03:46:19 pm
Thanks to all those that entered and volunteered to help out for the inaugural Inverness 1200 that's taking place right now! 37 riders started at 08:00 am yesterday morning, and there's at least 30 still going! I'll be catching up with them all at Paisley tomorrow! 25 started the Fort William 1000 being ran concurrently.

Some pictures from the start posted on Facebook at:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/audaxuk/

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 07 July, 2019, 09:55:26 am
First rider back at Paisley (910 km) 2nd time through. 27 out of 37 starters still going!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 07 July, 2019, 11:04:47 am
I’m enjoying the sightseeing and food, and have just enjoyed pasta with pesto and a cornetto at Crianlarich, whilst watching another rider stop and go.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 08 July, 2019, 08:54:15 am
3 riders have made it back to Lytham so far. 20+ riders still going!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 08 July, 2019, 08:46:37 pm
Over 84-hours gone and still over half the field yet to arrive back into Lytham. Most riders have given favourable comments about the route.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 09 July, 2019, 02:04:38 am
24 riders have finished the inaugural Inverness 1200!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 09 July, 2019, 09:15:18 am
Stunning scenery. Looking across the lochs to the mountains(?) the other side, I coulda been looking at the Norwegian fjords. The climb up to Rannoch moor was slow and steady, but well worth it for the views (and the descent). Chatted to unfamiliar audaxers along the way, but did a lot of solo riding (easier to stop and take pics/vids). It was good to start the ride with team mate Justin (thanks for the lift, and for leaving me stranded in Lytham 😉), and finish it with Rob. A puncture in each tyre made me wish I’d done my usual preparation of new tyres, brake blocks, chain and cassette on rides of 1000km plus, especially as I spent an age playing catch up with Rob (another Genesis rider).

Many thanks to the helpers (and to Andy) who have converted me to Batchelors pasta with  cheese and broccoli sauce.

The results are in: 86 hours start to finish, minus 2 hours Paisley sleep, 1 hour disabled toilet, and maybe 2 1/2 hours Paisley again, minus 56 1/2 hours cycling, leaves 24 hours of eating, drinking, sitting around chatting, taking pics, and faffing. The Straggler thinks I faff too much?!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: ianrobo on 09 July, 2019, 05:26:24 pm
In awe of you all
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: the straggler on 09 July, 2019, 07:01:19 pm
The Straggler thinks I faff too much?!

Interesting stats - from the 29.5 hours time spent off the bike with say total 14 controls and with 1 hour duration at each, and say 4 hours spent mini breaks inbetween controls including mechanical issues, this gives potential 11 hours sleep time. I would have grabbed 2x4 hours at Paisley control and 3 hours somewhere in/near Inverness. How I sometimes envy faster folk having the greater opportunity to get extra sleep hours. I know this sounds all well in theory but in practice it is probably somewhat different.

Oggy and myself only managed 2x2 hours sleep at Paisley and 2x15min micro snoozes in bus shelters for the Fort William ride, but I needed 11 hours coma sleep back at scout hall finish in Lytham....

I should add my gratitude to Andy for the organisation the events, all the helpers at the controls and to Fife for providing valuable local knowledge. This is only my second time on a bike in Scotland and absolutely enjoyed the experience. Best control for me was having a full Scottish breakfast at Inveraray.





Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 09 July, 2019, 08:19:52 pm
Bikeabilityman, on your comment about Norwegian fjords.
If you look at the OS mapping you'll see a mix of names for the sea Lochs and channels.

There are Sounds and Firths, Lochs and Kyle's.

Despite losing the battle of Largs in the 13th century and thus ceeding the kingdom of the Isles and Mann to the Scottish Crown, their language is still imprinted in the geography, the gaels who lived in the Isles took the norse into their language when they felt like it*.

Sound (sund) and Firth (Fjord) are Norse. Kyle (Caol) and Loch are Celtic.

For the same reason you'll fine Dail used when you would expect glen particularly on Lewis and Harris.

The far north and Orkney is different as that was the Jarl of Orkney, straight from Norn to Scots, and Shetland was part of Norway proper. The Danish King lost them when the Stuarts created an impossible situation in Scotland's favour.

*or at least it seems like it

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 09 July, 2019, 11:43:32 pm
Norse men intermarried with the local Gaelic-speaking women. Inevitably, the children grew up speaking Gaelic. However, the vocabulary surrounding seafaring remained Norse, as the women weren't involved in that. The most obvious landmark mountains tend to have Norse, or hybrid names, as they were used for navigation.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: jaduncan on 10 July, 2019, 10:28:24 am
All thanks to Andy and assistants - the route was just the right blend of challenge and prettiness. I had possibly my only enjoyable puncture, sitting on the side of a loch idly changing the inner tube and looking out at the scenery. The scout hut/building/complex at Lytham was also great to somewhat sleep it off at the end.

Surprisingly, I now also have an A road I'd say is beautiful - the A82 stretch by the side of the water on the way to Inverness was breathtaking.

Congratulations to all.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 12 July, 2019, 04:32:19 pm
With the dust now settling I'd like to thank all those who entered and took part in the inaugural Inverness 1200 km Audax event that took place last weekend, and congratulations to the 24 successful riders.

This was a 1229 km route, ran over the weekend of 05 - 09 July 2019.

After a rapid start through the Lancashire Fylde, the riders headed north up the A6 into Scotland; passing through Dumfries & Galloway before cutting across South Lanarkshire to a control at Paisley at about 320 km.

Day 2, after crossing the Erskine Bridge, would see the riders heading into the Highlands with a climb over "Rest and be Thankful" on the way to Oban. A main-road run following the A82 followed, offering most riders spectacular views of Ben Nevis and the Great Glen!

The return leg cut out Oban and instead sent the riders from Glen Coe over Rannoch Moor, most of which the riders surprisingly enjoyed, before returning to Paisley.

The final 300+ km was essentially a reverse of the first stage.

Overall, I think the event was a success. The only issue was the control at Paisley; part of which had been sold off only the week previously preventing us from using some of the facilities (most unhelpful)! There were no reportable accidents.

I'd especially like to thank all the helpers at both Paisley and Lytham who put in 101% effort to make the event a success, and without whose help the event would not have been possible including: Helen & Geoff Pearce who helped out at Paisley and Andy Willis who helped out at Lytham.

Once again, congratulations to the 24 successful riders and commiserations to those that didn't make it this time. It's better to try and fail than to not try at all!

Many riders have posted photos and ride reports on Facebook and some of the links are attached below:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/audaxuk/

Riders travelled from as far as Wales; Scotland; London; Devon; Ireland; Netherlands; Germany; USA and Japan in order to participate.

The event will next run in 2021, probably over the weekend of 02 - 06 July and will see some tweaks to the route.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 02 June, 2021, 11:53:57 pm
The date for the 2021 edition has now been set for 11-15 September 2021.

The event will start in the Lancashire town of Bispham, about 3 miles north of Blackpool.

Start: Bispham, Lancashire
Date: Saturday 11 September 2021
Time: 10:00.


There'll be a manned control up at Inverness and a drop bag to Scotland. Bag will be returned to Bispham ready for collection on arrival.

More details on the event website:

https://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/

Hopefully, things will be more or less back to normal before then??

Looking forward to seeing you there. 2022 edition set for: 25-29 September 2022.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200






Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: iroiromono on 03 June, 2021, 10:21:51 am
Hi Andy,

 I see on your website you'll be running the Ft. Bill 1000 too. Will this be published on the AUK calendar as well soon? I was wondering if it will be a BRM event. I can't see it in ACP's calendar.
Title: Inverness 1200
Post by: 448issmith on 20 August, 2021, 03:46:17 pm
Hi Andy,

Had an email earlier this week on Monday. Showing stage 1 of Inverness 1200. Not had anymore stages. Please advise if they have sent.

Was looking to book a b&b along the route. Any suggestions well.

Thanks
Indy


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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 20 August, 2021, 10:56:49 pm
I'm hoping to have the final event info' and GPS tracks emailed to all the entrants in about 10-12 days time. There's been a few changes to the planned route but it's just about there. Last week's email was just ensuring that the GPS tracks could be downloaded and worked which they appear to do so.

Still not too late to enter. More details on event website (see link below).

https://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: 448issmith on 04 September, 2021, 05:33:02 pm
Hi Andy.

Thanks for the provisional routes. Feels a lot better after looking at the route.

Just a bit nervous though. So thought I would ask. Arriving on Friday evening and booked a local b&b close by.

But I was wandering if anyone fancied riding in a group. It’s a long way and wouldn’t mind some company. 

Thanks

Indi


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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: 448issmith on 09 September, 2021, 10:16:54 pm
Hi

I tried loading 21-585 to e-brevet. Getting error
No brevet loaded.

Anyone able to load successfully.

Regards
Indi


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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: bhoot on 10 September, 2021, 08:11:09 am
This event is not set up for e-brevet, it's not in the event list on eb.audax.uk
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Ajax Bay on 10 September, 2021, 08:41:26 am
Good luck to all those who roll out tomorrow.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: 448issmith on 13 September, 2021, 02:48:12 pm
Hi Andy,

I’ve had to accident the spoke on rear wheel broke. I’m by crianlarich 15 miles. 

Please tell lee and the gang I’m ok

See you next year.

Indi


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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rando-nurr on 16 September, 2021, 06:36:04 pm
Hi Andy,

I’ve had to accident the spoke on rear wheel broke. I’m by crianlarich 15 miles. 

Please tell lee and the gang I’m ok

See you next year.

Indi


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Hello Indi. Good to meet you and thanks for the great company during the first half of the ride. Hope that you managed to get home safely. See you up the road again soon.

Lee
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: 448issmith on 16 September, 2021, 06:44:11 pm
Hi Lee

Andy Saïd you went back on the train. I hope it was a pleasant journey. My apologies for not been able to give you a lift back. You was right in saying let’s see.

It was a real lesson. A eye opener if you pardon the pun. 

The gods were against me I suppose.

Thanks managed to hitch hike a ride back to Glasgow and then train back to bispham.


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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 21 October, 2021, 11:01:01 pm
I had a couple of emails last weekend inquiring whether or not the Inverness 1200 will run next year. The date for the 2022 edition is set for 25-29 September 2022,  with a new start/finish in the Lancashire town of Clitheroe.

Start: Clitheroe, Lancashire
Date: Sunday 25 September 2022
Time: 08:00.


The route will now be a counter clockwise circuit passing through the Yorkshire Dales National Park and eventually over Devil Beef's Tub to cross the Forth Road Bridge north of Edinburgh. It's then over the Lecht before the new run into Inverness probably avoiding the A9. I'm investigating a new control just to the north of Inverness. The return leg follows the A82 to Crianlarich before a new route around Stirling avoiding the busier Stretch of the A82 around Luss.

The provisional GPS track here:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/37502507

There'll be a manned control up at Inverness with a drop bag to Scotland. Bag will be returned to Clitheroe ready for collection on arrival.

More details on the event website:

https://burnleyccevents.com/

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200



Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 22 October, 2021, 08:42:19 pm
Oohsha, dinnae ken whit's gonnae gie fowk yon feardies mair, the lecht oan 500k fae cobridge, or gang thru Kelty an Hull o Beath.


Looks quite good... Checks off route distance to get a sleep in my own bed...

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 19 June, 2022, 10:21:41 pm
Starting to work out Logistics, I also need a 1300, I've worked out a 100km ride to Clitheroeish from Leeds or 130km from York, it is hilly... but there will be 18 hours to do it in if my calculator button bashing is correct.
This is also handy because getting down the East coast is often much cheaper than going down the West.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: yanto on 20 August, 2022, 10:22:50 pm
Looking at the route I see it goes on the dual carriageway A9 for about 35 miles into Inverness, that's a motorway in all but name, could be dodgy in mist or rain which is not uncommon, it's the bit that is really making think twice about this ride. I can't see any alternatives though.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 20 August, 2022, 10:35:11 pm
I'm finalizing the route next weekend shortly after which I'll be emailing all entrants final route details and GPS Tracks. It might yet avoid the A9.

Suggest you keep an eye on events website in the meantime:

https://burnleyccevents.com/

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 20 August, 2022, 10:49:02 pm
Looking at the route I see it goes on the dual carriageway A9 for about 35 miles into Inverness, that's a motorway in all but name, could be dodgy in mist or rain which is not uncommon, it's the bit that is really making think twice about this ride. I can't see any alternatives though.

The route as currently up takes to the A9 after Carrbridge, forget that just dinnae.
Before turning onto the A9 the old road runs parallel and takes you straight up Slochd, following the EV1/NCN7
There is a gate or 2 when you leave the bit of the old road on the way up Slochd that is still open to traffic (7km on route linked below)
Plunge down to the Findhorn bridge towards Moy. Some of it is a bit rough round there which may be an issue for a velomobile... but typical NCN, I don't remember there being much issues with width on the bits where the old road is narrowed to a path or where a new path has been built, but if there is it'll be beside the A9 so...

This is also where you need to make a call, fastest route all down hill into Inverness on the A9 dual carriage way, or either the east or west routes via culduthel or culloden which add a bit of distance but
Like this: (East Route)
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/40659018

The West path on the Kessock bridge is shut so I've routed that over the east side path.
That route I've plotted appears to be about 2km longer.


Also, if you get lost Avoch only has it's last sylable and Ock is something else.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: CarlF on 20 August, 2022, 11:06:51 pm
Hi Andy

Looking at the RWGPS route linked from your website,  you've got an illegal right turn onto Perth Bridge (just after km 374).
 
Instead of taking Tay St then turning right onto the bridge, you need to go left off Tay St onto the High St,  then right onto George St, then straight on over the bridge (or you could go right from Tay St onto Queen's Bridge then left onto Dundee Rd, then straight on past where you would have turned left off Perth Bridge).

Not sure what time the riders would be coming through this section,  but the first route I've given also takes you past a decent LBS: Richards Cycles at 44 George Street (on the left, about half way up)

Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 20 August, 2022, 11:15:53 pm
It is a doable movement but needs you to use the shared use rather than lane, go under the bridge and wind back up onto the shared use on the bridge, which obviously is what I've done everytime I've forgotten about it... Honest... (or go through jct and do a uey)

Going down to Dron from Glenfarg is rather rapid, I prefer the slower route through gorge but I'm no fan of the baiglie straight.

Going over dava would be a way more interesting route from Carrbridge to Inverness

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: CarlF on 21 August, 2022, 12:16:38 am
The Baiglie straight is lethal, definitely to be avoided (although it's apparently getting a new shared use path alongside it in the near future).

The road surface down through the gorge past the Bein Inn is atrocious- plus as well as all the people driving far too fast through the twisty bits you have to watch out for the skip lorries coming to and from the ever expanding waste processing site at Binn Farm. I'd 100% choose the Wicks O' Baiglie Road every time on a bike
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: yanto on 08 September, 2022, 09:50:31 am
After knackering a tendon in my right shin on the ACME grand 1000k and likely not cycling for another couple of weeks I won't be entering this challenging ride. 
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 10 September, 2022, 10:51:06 pm
That's a shame; I'm just about to send out the GPS Tracks and event information. There'll be a couple of updates on the event website as well.

https://burnleyccevents.com/

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Dakkar on 11 September, 2022, 07:34:43 pm
That looks a fantastic route, good luck to all you brave souls who attempt it, I hope the weather is kind.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 11 September, 2022, 11:44:21 pm
Thanks for your best wishes for the event. Still not too late to enter:

https://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Dakkar on 12 September, 2022, 08:39:03 pm
Thanks for your best wishes for the event. Still not too late to enter:

https://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/

Andy Corless

Thanks Andy I would love to but due to an admin error by HR and me failing to check it, Im pretty much out of Annual leave now until next April.  ::-)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rando-nurr on 19 September, 2022, 09:38:35 am
Still no information email or website update, as far as I can see. I take it that the event is still going ahead?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 19 September, 2022, 05:35:52 pm
I assume so, because I had an email response last week to confirm the location of the HQ in Clitheroe (it's the St Mary's centre, which people might know from previous events).
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: cmck on 19 September, 2022, 06:50:23 pm
Was that a direct response? Only seen the email regarding the potential road closures so far.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rando-nurr on 19 September, 2022, 07:27:13 pm
I assume so, because I had an email response last week to confirm the location of the HQ in Clitheroe (it's the St Mary's centre, which people might know from previous events).

Well, that’s something at least. Thanks.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 19 September, 2022, 09:35:19 pm
You should all have had an email about a week or so ago advising the final GPS Tracks would be issued nearer the time as we're keeping a close eye on the roads around Balmoral for potential road closures. It looks like everything's now going to be OK so the final event information should be issued within the next 24 hours. If you haven't had it before Wednesday morning let us know. The route is still very much that as the GPS Track.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rando-nurr on 21 September, 2022, 01:07:27 pm
Wednesday afternoon. Has anybody received any updated information?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 21 September, 2022, 02:34:20 pm
Nothing here.  I'll email in and see if it is fubar and if there is anything I can do to help.  I'll also ask for the control open/close times and what will be laid on at the turn and the finish.  I was rather hoping for a route sheet today - this is last minute by anyone's standards! 
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rando-nurr on 21 September, 2022, 02:39:34 pm
Nothing here.  I'll email in and see if it is fubar and if there is anything I can do to help.  I'll also ask for the control open/close times and what will be laid on at the turn and the finish.  I was rather hoping for a route sheet today - this is last minute by anyone's standards!

I've assumed that the controls are as per the AUK entry page, with Avoch replacing Kirkhill according to the RWGPS route. I'm sure it'll all be fine but I normally like a little more time to plan such a long ride!
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 21 September, 2022, 02:44:51 pm
I'd assume the opposite - the RWGPS was last edited a year or so ago.  What is on the AUK page should be definitive.  The updated ride would have been resubmitted for approval.  I assume an updated RA would go with that.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rando-nurr on 21 September, 2022, 02:47:12 pm
I'd assume the opposite - the RWGPS was last edited a year or so ago.  What is on the AUK page should be definitive.  The updated ride would have been resubmitted for approval.  I assume an updated RA would go with that.

OK, well in that case, I know even less than I thought I did!  :D :D
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 21 September, 2022, 11:07:26 pm
Kirkhill actually replaced Avoch which we lost some time ago. As rightly pointed out the GPS Track was a little bit out of date but this has now been sorted. A dog leg has been added to make up for the under distance.

I'm still keeping a close eye on events around Balmoral for potential road closures. You should have had an email tonight with the Track.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 22 September, 2022, 03:26:37 pm
Just doing a bit of route familiarisation and noticed a possible problem heading North across the bridge at Gairnshiel A939.  Google Maps says road closed - can anyone with local knowledge confirm that this should be OK for cyclists/pedestrians on Monday?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: FifeingEejit on 22 September, 2022, 03:35:54 pm
Closures are as and when needed for the building of the new bridge so Aberdeenshire councils works list just lists it as closed until early 2023

The last reported full closure was 2 weeks from 22nd August with access for pedestrians when possible.

There problem is the footbridge (some way off road) and swimming it options are also out as the worksite is towards the foot of the climb, though suppose you could climb up the hillside with bike to get round.
Just watch out for adders.

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Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 22 September, 2022, 10:48:08 pm
According to Google Maps the bridge at Gairnshiel A939 is only closed to motor vehicles. More about this tomorrow morning when further event information is sent out to all entrants.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 23 September, 2022, 05:53:11 pm
Or maybe not?  The plot thickens - the GPS route on https://ridewithgps.com/routes/37502507 now has dog legs to Nairn and Broughton/Longridge.  Are there new controls about to be sprung?  Maybe some infos?
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: stefan_ef on 24 September, 2022, 08:31:20 am
Hi guys, I have two questions, is it possible to let some stuff at the starting point which I will not need during the ride.
Second question, finish time is on Thursday 02:00 AM? In the Mail, it would be Friday.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rando-nurr on 24 September, 2022, 08:36:15 am
I’d take the control open/close times with a pinch of salt, if I were you. 90 hours from 8am Sunday is 2am Thursday morning.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 24 September, 2022, 09:18:55 am
Yes I noticed a clerical error last night on the control opening/closing times for the return leg. They've now been amended and you should have had an email this morning with the new amendments. The cut off is 02:00 am Thursday. See you tomorrow!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 24 September, 2022, 09:19:55 am
Also just to note that McColl's in Kirkby Stephen has been shut since Spring.  There are cafe/bakeries in town or turn (first) left on Station Rd after Nateby, then R down the main drag where there is a Spar.  You can also do a R just after leaving the main road for the Soulby road and visit the big Coop then double back to the route.  Easy enough to see all that on Google Maps.

I'm not expecting to get to the new control at Broughton until very late (if at all) and am assuming a photo of some landmark will be accepted.  Anyone know different?  I was also a bit confused about 'diverting' into the Crianlarich control, in the guidance it mentions Tyndrum as the control - is it 'either or' do we think?

Doesn't look like a route sheet is forthcoming :(
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 24 September, 2022, 02:27:28 pm
Can any gps users send me a gpx file of the second half (from Kirkhill to finish).  I can't get my Etrex 32x to 'see' the full route when I download it from ridewithgps and I do not have an account.  It is the section from Crianlarich to Abington I am really keen to have, I can follow my notes easily enough outside of that section.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: JonB on 24 September, 2022, 02:37:01 pm
Can any gps users send me a gpx file of the second half (from Kirkhill to finish).  I can't get my Etrex 32x to 'see' the full route when I download it from ridewithgps and I do not have an account.  It is the section from Crianlarich to Abington I am really keen to have, I can follow my notes easily enough outside of that section.
I might be way off here but the etrex will only cope with 10,000 track points and when it's uploaded the track will finish prematurely if it's over this number. If it is this, you could split the track (I do it in Basecamp) or run it through Lighting Phil's tool https://simple-gpx.herokuapp.com/ to reduce the track points, apologies if I've misread the problem
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Rando-nurr on 24 September, 2022, 02:46:37 pm
You should be able to download a copy from here https://ridewithgps.com/routes/41026736

There are a couple of edits. One to follow the Caledonian canal path after Fort Augustus and another to avoid the A9 through Stirling. But apart from that…
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 24 September, 2022, 03:39:35 pm
That's handy - thanks.  Am relatively new to GPS and am still getting to grips with the whats and hows - many thanks.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Lightning Phil on 24 September, 2022, 04:19:25 pm
You don’t need even need to split the track if you put it through my tool https://simple-gpx.herokuapp.com/.   The track out of ride with gps has 21,113 points and after through my tool with default settings it’s 5,902 points.  The Etrex will easily cope with one 1200km track with that many points. I ride all my audax with tracks simplified with the default settings. That’s why I have them as defaults, simplifies my workflow.

My other tip is to set the track log to record less often, that is one less (on menu) than normal,  and auto archive track logs at midnight. The 10,000 track point limit also applies to track logs and if it’s exceeded can cause the Etrex to freeze.  To unfreeze you need to take the batteries out, put back in, and turn on again. But I haven’t seen my Etrex freeze since 2014 with above settings and simplified tracks for navigation.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 24 September, 2022, 04:32:50 pm
Thanks Phil - I will check those settings when I have finished laminating my homespun route sheet  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 29 September, 2022, 10:42:11 pm
Well it appears the 2022 edition of the Inverness 1200 was a little bit more challenging than expected, with only 5 official finishers.

This 1200 km route took the riders from Pendle Witch country to the district of Aird, west of Inverness. The route started with an early morning run through the Yorkshire Dales National Park and on into the Eden Valley before an evening ride through southern Scotland to cross the Forth Road Bridge following many of the same roads used in the recent LEL. Monday saw the riders climb the mighty Lecht and were all later welcomed to the Kirkhill control with hot food and sleeping facilities available. The route returned following a western route through the Highlands; over Glen Coe and Callendar before a run down the A6 back to Lancashire climbing over Shap Fell. A headwind for much of the outbound ride combined with persistent heavy rain at times caused a high DNF rate.

Many thanks to Diane who helped out at the Kirkhill Control over Monday night, and also to Darrell Whittle for taking some aerial photos of the riders.

Riders travelled from as far as Ireland; Austria; Japan; Hong Kong and the Philippines in order to participate and many found the cold weather challenging.

Congratulations to the 5 riders that finished and commiserations to the few that didn't make it. It's better to try and fail than to not try at all!  Some photos taken on the route have been uploaded onto the AUK Facebook page at:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/32695893641/

The date for next year's edition has been set for 23-27 June 2023.

If you fancy riding some of these roads ridden by the IV 1200 riders then the Ride the Lancashire Lights 200, held on Sunday 30 October 2022 covers some of the southern section of this route. More information on the event website at:

https://burnleyccevents.com/

Andy Corless
Organiser
Inverness 1200
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 30 September, 2022, 09:07:09 am
Just for the benefit of folk who pick this thread up for 2023... the route as provided via gps might be the most direct, but it would repay you to make your own decisions.  These are some examples.  I think I saved quite a lot of time by not descending to the top of Dentdale and then climbing out on the Coal Road - it is easier to stay on the Hawes road and then take the Apperset cut through (avoiding Hawes itself) to the main road up to the Moorcock.  The canal side path South of Fort Augustus is a pleasant deviation for a few miles before rejoining the A82 at the start of Lock Oich.  Leaving Callander, it is worth considering staying on the main road, especially if it is dark.  The route out of Falkirk is very challenging and I suspect a less 'choppy' way can be found by veering to the East of the given route, but I did not/have not researched that properly.  Near the finish you can save some climb by following the main signposted road route to Longridge/Clitheroe.  Can I also give a public shout out to the bike shop in Blairgowrie.  The guy there fitted a new gear cable for me - just brilliant - stopped what he was doing and had me in and out in less than an hour.  I'm pretty sure that I would not have finished without his help fixing the bike.  Also a public shout out to Rando-nurr - fantastic company on any ride, but especially on something as challenging as this.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: John Stonebridge on 30 September, 2022, 09:37:23 am
The route out of Falkirk is very challenging

That's basically my life story in 8 words  :D

Yes those braes are hard.

Seriously well done, I was watching the weather forecast each night and wondering how many hardy souls would finish.  Chapeau. 
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Kangaroocourt on 14 October, 2022, 06:23:33 pm
The date for next year's edition has been set for 23-27 June 2023.
Just as a matter of interest, when are entries for 2023 likley to open? Or am I too late already? :o
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 14 October, 2022, 07:36:28 pm
No you're not too late. The answer when it's finally published in the AUK Calendar which should be anytime soon. Suggest you keep your eye on the event website (link attached below), it's already been updated with next year's details.

Andy Corless

https://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Kangaroocourt on 14 October, 2022, 08:16:07 pm
No you're not too late. The answer when it's finally published in the AUK Calendar which should be anytime soon. Suggest you keep your eye on the event website (link attached below), it's already been updated with next year's details.

Andy Corless

https://burnleyccevents.com/inverness-1200-05-july-2019/
cheers Andy.  Looking forward to it
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Dakkar on 18 October, 2022, 08:19:44 pm
Any reports from this year's event, or recent events?
I would be very interested to read how these brave magnificent souls coped.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 18 October, 2022, 10:34:26 pm
I'm in the process of compiling a write-up for Arrivee (that's AUDAX UKs own club magazine)! For information purposes, Mark Casquero has uploaded a video to YouTube of his attempt of this year's edition at:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DJM0TNLnCW0A&ved=2ahUKEwjo8dnh3Or6AhWEZMAKHR6EDAYQo7QBegQIBhAE&usg=AOvVaw076yIdhpiv0PR4217VfeVS

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Dakkar on 19 October, 2022, 08:04:32 pm
Thank you Andy.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: MAC on 23 October, 2022, 05:40:18 pm
I'm in the process of compiling a write-up for Arrivee...
How's the write up coming Andy?
Darrell
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Revellinho on 24 October, 2022, 11:50:58 am
I've put one in the Ride Reports section here on yacf.  https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=124320.0 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=124320.0)
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: Andy Corless on 25 October, 2022, 11:14:26 pm
"How's the write up coming Andy?
Darrell"


Don't suppose you know when the deadline is for the next Arrivee is do you?

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: MAC on 26 October, 2022, 10:13:17 am
"How's the write up coming Andy?
Darrell"


Don't suppose you know when the deadline is for the next Arrivee is do you?

Andy Corless
I suppose it will be sometime mid November for the Winter issue. You could email gedlennox@me.com at Arrivee for an exact date.
Title: Re: Inverness 1200
Post by: bhoot on 26 October, 2022, 10:35:20 am
For a larger article I suspect Ged would prefer to get it earlier than mid Nov. I hope that the next issue will go out near the beginning of the month as it contains the membership renewal notice!