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Title: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: mattc on 22 February, 2021, 05:41:52 pm
So Boris' road-map is out there - albeit with some big "provisionally"s on there - anyone brave enough to deduce the likely AUk timetable for re-opening?
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 22 February, 2021, 06:04:37 pm
June 21 events back to normal?
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Redlight on 22 February, 2021, 06:40:21 pm
Board discussing tonight.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: mattc on 22 February, 2021, 07:08:14 pm
June 21 events back to normal?
Solstice night-ride anyone? Maybe a 300 starting at 00:01H?

21st is a Monday, which might dent entry numbers - but then who the heck will be working that day?? ;)
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: postie on 22 February, 2021, 07:47:51 pm
I guess in theory perms could be allowed from march 29th :demon:
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 23 February, 2021, 06:21:05 am
It's mainly about calendar events.
I have about 100 riders carried over from last year... if events are still limited to 30 entrants in the late spring, then I might as well refund them all, or run it as x rated for AUK members only, which are about 30.

I don't know, in fairness over the last 12 months I have completely lost the mojo, both the organising one, but even the riding one... haven't done a ride exceeding 100 km since... well, we have to go back to December 2019. 200 km right now seems an exceedingly long way, last 200 km ride was September 2019, last 300 was April 2019.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Ajax Bay on 23 February, 2021, 08:46:34 am
I guess in theory perms could be allowed from march 29th :demon:
With the proviso that the date depends on data  :facepalm: (but exactly what data/metrics/thresholds are left for 'judgement') the 'no earlier than' 29 March possible restriction level does align with last year's August regime. So in theory, that would suggest permanents up to 300k could run, with max 6 riding together.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Whitedown Man on 23 February, 2021, 09:36:54 am

I don't know, in fairness over the last 12 months I have completely lost the mojo


Me too, although in my case it’s not so much the long rides that lost their appeal but the straitjacket of rides that were multiples of 100k (and I do appreciate that that’s a straitjacket that exists within my own head only). During the non-lockdowned period last summer I developed three different routes all of roughly 250km with a goal of working towards an Eddington number of 150 rather than targeting Audax points. I enjoyed that distance - and those routes - so much it’s hard to see myself doing differently this summer.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: bairn again on 23 February, 2021, 10:33:23 am
I believe the announcement for England yesterday had a "no earlier than" caveat applied so there's that to to take into account as well as inevitable intra UK variations. 

My guess is that here in Scotland we will probably have to wait longer than rUK to get into pubs and restaurants but that we might be quicker on outdoor exercise. 

That said it appears that Scotland will apply  different levels 1-4 in each local authority area which could add further variations (we're all Level 4 just now and have been since 26/12/2020).       

However, yacf is nothing without some ill informed speculation so my guess -

Solo 200 DIYs would be back in the 1st half of April, followed by a gradual easing of distance and participants so that full bhuna calendar events would be back by the end June.

Whatever happens, Im glad Ive not made the same mistake I did last year by being so woefully unfit when the flag dropped in August that I didn't have the heart for anything more than a flat 300, and even that was something of a struggle.     
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 23 February, 2021, 10:40:48 am
This is probably the model that I would suggest.

Phase 1.  Allowance of DIYs and Perms from 29th March in alignment to the relaxation of sporting regulation. Rides limited to six persons or fewer.

Phase 2. Allowance of calendar events from 17th May in alignment to AUK's regs on restricted event numbers of thirty riders and staggered start times as previously deployed by AUK.

Phase 3. Allowance of full calendar events without restriction from 21st June. Back to business as normal.

It is probably reasonable to assume that both Scottish and Welsh governments will follow a broadly similar trajectory minus policy detail.

Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Redlight on 23 February, 2021, 02:34:30 pm
The following statement has now been posted on the AUK forum:


The UK Government announced its roadmap out of lockdown on the 22nd of February.

The announcement only applies to England.  We will update our guidance for the other nations of the UK following their respective announcements.

AUK is able to re-commence the validation of events of up to 300km that take place solely within England from the 29th of March.  This applies to calendar and permanent events.

Permanent events will initially be limited to 6 participants per event route each day until the 17th May or, if later, the start of Step 3 when it will increase to 30.  Permanent events of up to 600km will also be validated from the start of Step 3.

Calendar and permanent events of any length will be validated from the 21st of June or, if later, the start of Step 4.

AUK organisers should contact their regional delegate for further guidance.

All events will be subject to the guidance and behaviour codes published at audax.uk.  Riders will remain responsible for their own compliance with applicable guidance and legislation.  In particular, riders should be aware of any restrictions on travel which will apply to travel to and from events other than by bike.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: tonyh on 23 February, 2021, 05:21:57 pm
Thanks Redlight.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: mattc on 23 February, 2021, 07:13:30 pm
Yup, thanks Redlight. And a very prompt response from the Committee.

(but have they heard of "hyperlinks"? They're all the rage on the Interweb, guys, you're gonna luv 'em!)

http://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=2032.msg16253#msg16253
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Redlight on 23 February, 2021, 07:25:59 pm

(but have they heard of "hyperlinks"? They're all the rage on the Interweb, guys, you're gonna luv 'em!)

http://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=2032.msg16253#msg16253

They have - but not everyone here is an AUK member and can access the forum  ;D
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: mattc on 23 February, 2021, 07:53:47 pm
Ah, then I shall bring further glad tidings; you can post a link, AND some key text, all in the same place! Tis a wondrous thing, t'internet :)

(e.g. on Facebook, where Mr Auk Sec posted earlier today. It's like he doesn't actually WANT people to stray off Facebook into the sunlit uplands of the AUK website ...)

a nice example here: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=118075.msg2581158#msg2581158
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: GdS on 23 February, 2021, 10:08:06 pm
so to confirm; it's perms only in England from 29.3? I have a calendar slated after that date (just)

AUK is able to re-commence the validation of events of up to 300km that take place solely within England from the 29th of March. This applies to calendar and permanent events
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: FifeingEejit on 23 February, 2021, 11:25:18 pm
I believe the announcement for England yesterday had a "no earlier than" caveat applied so there's that to to take into account as well as inevitable intra UK variations. 

My guess is that here in Scotland we will probably have to wait longer than rUK to get into pubs and restaurants but that we might be quicker on outdoor exercise. 

That said it appears that Scotland will apply  different levels 1-4 in each local authority area which could add further variations (we're all Level 4 just now and have been since 26/12/2020).       

However, yacf is nothing without some ill informed speculation so my guess -

Solo 200 DIYs would be back in the 1st half of April, followed by a gradual easing of distance and participants so that full bhuna calendar events would be back by the end June.

Whatever happens, Im glad Ive not made the same mistake I did last year by being so woefully unfit when the flag dropped in August that I didn't have the heart for anything more than a flat 300, and even that was something of a struggle.   

I've just skimmed through the document and it made no mention of sport, but then it only briefly discussed that the trigger data and scope of the Levels will change somewhat and discussed the trigger data by mapping the 5 levels to WHO guidance, and said there's another paper coming.
So with any luck the Sports restrictions will allow events in Level 2, the problem is getting cases low enough to be in Level 2 might be tricky for the more populous areas (IIRC one managed it and was put back up to L3 the following week); problem for organizers then is if you can run an event using roads in L2 and avoiding controls in L3... where are your riders going to come from. Urgh!
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Ajax Bay on 23 February, 2021, 11:56:01 pm
so to confirm; it's perms only in England from 29.3? I have a calendar slated after that date (just)

AUK is able to re-commence the validation of events of up to 300km that take place solely within England from the 29th of March. This applies to calendar and permanent events
https://audax.uk/news/covid-update-23-february-2021/
Why are you trying to confirm what it doesn't say? Calendar events taking place on or after 29 March will be validated.
"All events will be subject to the guidance and behaviour codes published at audax.uk" (no link offered but https://audax.uk/static-data/covid-19-resumption-of-events-guidance-and-behaviour-codes/ but maybe with Feb 2021 amendments).
Hope you run yours and it goes well.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: bairn again on 24 February, 2021, 10:04:56 am
I believe the announcement for England yesterday had a "no earlier than" caveat applied so there's that to to take into account as well as inevitable intra UK variations. 

My guess is that here in Scotland we will probably have to wait longer than rUK to get into pubs and restaurants but that we might be quicker on outdoor exercise. 

That said it appears that Scotland will apply  different levels 1-4 in each local authority area which could add further variations (we're all Level 4 just now and have been since 26/12/2020).       

However, yacf is nothing without some ill informed speculation so my guess -

Solo 200 DIYs would be back in the 1st half of April, followed by a gradual easing of distance and participants so that full bhuna calendar events would be back by the end June.

Whatever happens, Im glad Ive not made the same mistake I did last year by being so woefully unfit when the flag dropped in August that I didn't have the heart for anything more than a flat 300, and even that was something of a struggle.   

I've just skimmed through the document and it made no mention of sport, but then it only briefly discussed that the trigger data and scope of the Levels will change somewhat and discussed the trigger data by mapping the 5 levels to WHO guidance, and said there's another paper coming.
So with any luck the Sports restrictions will allow events in Level 2, the problem is getting cases low enough to be in Level 2 might be tricky for the more populous areas (IIRC one managed it and was put back up to L3 the following week); problem for organizers then is if you can run an event using roads in L2 and avoiding controls in L3... where are your riders going to come from. Urgh!

Yes me too, I had a read through https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-strategic-framework-update-february-2021/ last night and it doesn't say very much on sport or exercise. 

We saw from last year that Scotland is unlikley to deviate by very much or for very long v. England so I'm working towards a similar timetable. 

 
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: FifeingEejit on 24 February, 2021, 12:46:37 pm
I believe the announcement for England yesterday had a "no earlier than" caveat applied so there's that to to take into account as well as inevitable intra UK variations. 

My guess is that here in Scotland we will probably have to wait longer than rUK to get into pubs and restaurants but that we might be quicker on outdoor exercise. 

That said it appears that Scotland will apply  different levels 1-4 in each local authority area which could add further variations (we're all Level 4 just now and have been since 26/12/2020).       

However, yacf is nothing without some ill informed speculation so my guess -

Solo 200 DIYs would be back in the 1st half of April, followed by a gradual easing of distance and participants so that full bhuna calendar events would be back by the end June.

Whatever happens, Im glad Ive not made the same mistake I did last year by being so woefully unfit when the flag dropped in August that I didn't have the heart for anything more than a flat 300, and even that was something of a struggle.   

I've just skimmed through the document and it made no mention of sport, but then it only briefly discussed that the trigger data and scope of the Levels will change somewhat and discussed the trigger data by mapping the 5 levels to WHO guidance, and said there's another paper coming.
So with any luck the Sports restrictions will allow events in Level 2, the problem is getting cases low enough to be in Level 2 might be tricky for the more populous areas (IIRC one managed it and was put back up to L3 the following week); problem for organizers then is if you can run an event using roads in L2 and avoiding controls in L3... where are your riders going to come from. Urgh!

Yes me too, I had a read through https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-strategic-framework-update-february-2021/ last night and it doesn't say very much on sport or exercise. 

We saw from last year that Scotland is unlikley to deviate by very much or for very long v. England so I'm working towards a similar timetable. 

 

Aye, based on the way hospitalizations have plunged in the last couple of weeks I'm reasonably confident we'll batter through process, unlike in the Autumn when it ground to a halt.
Then again to some extent we're lucky the "Kent" variant that is all pervasive is still in scope for the vaccines, it could have been on of the others with significant enough variation to be back at square 1  and which could still happen... :shudder:
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: quixoticgeek on 27 February, 2021, 12:22:02 pm

Does this mean a DIY can be done on the 29th of March? Or would it have to wait for the 30th?

J
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Zed43 on 27 February, 2021, 05:06:45 pm
You're in the Netherlands, you can do a DIY now.

At least, that is my understanding; the DIY I rode on January 24 still has "provisional" status and the one from last weekend doesn't show in my ride history yet, but that hasn't stopped me from registering another one for tomorrow.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: postie on 27 February, 2021, 05:50:03 pm
In England,  from the 29th or thats my understanding from the auk statement.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: lahoski on 04 March, 2021, 12:22:58 pm
Does anyone know when we'll be able to enter calendar events?
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Kim on 04 March, 2021, 12:35:22 pm

(but have they heard of "hyperlinks"? They're all the rage on the Interweb, guys, you're gonna luv 'em!)

http://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=2032.msg16253#msg16253

They have - but not everyone here is an AUK member and can access the forum  ;D

Plus you sometimes get abuse from people who don't understand how the internet works for inappropriately sharing TOP SEEKRIT need-to-know Audax information.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Lightning Phil on 04 March, 2021, 09:49:25 pm
Does anyone know when we'll be able to enter calendar events?

Just entered one now for April 17th.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Lightning Phil on 04 March, 2021, 09:53:29 pm

(but have they heard of "hyperlinks"? They're all the rage on the Interweb, guys, you're gonna luv 'em!)

All the rage in the 1990s maybe. The rage now is to release your statement as sea shanty video with built in hyperlinks, plus adverts for auk buffs.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Neil C on 04 March, 2021, 10:35:20 pm
Things are looking up. :)

Just entered one 200 for April and another for May.  ;D
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: lahoski on 05 March, 2021, 03:19:55 pm
Ooh, I can see the link for online entries now on the ones I'm considering. Maybe I wasn't looking hard enough...?
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 05 March, 2021, 08:41:18 pm
I am wondering if entering audaxes is the new equivalent of panic buying bogrolls. Since the entry system opened last night, my in-tray went into meltdown.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: mattc on 06 March, 2021, 09:48:21 am
I am wondering if entering audaxes is the new equivalent of panic buying bogrolls. Since the entry system opened last night, my in-tray went into meltdown.
Given the DNS rates in recent seasons, I think it's just business as usual!
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: JonBuoy on 09 March, 2021, 06:30:29 pm
It looks like British Cycling is moving to groups of 15 on club rides etc from 29th March.  I guess that Audax UK is likely to follow this.

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20210309-about-bc-news-British-Cycling-update--The-Way-Forward-0
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: mattc on 10 March, 2021, 07:20:00 am
It looks like British Cycling is moving to groups of 15 on club rides etc from 29th March.  I guess that Audax UK is likely to follow this.

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20210309-about-bc-news-British-Cycling-update--The-Way-Forward-0
Yeah.
But unfortunately we won't be able to do much when we stop -except quickly disperse into groups of 6!
No-stop audaxes??
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: postie on 10 March, 2021, 04:24:46 pm
And matt c as hit the nail on the head,  cycling uk did the whole 15 to a group last summer and its totally unworkable if the group wants to stop for refreshments. As a result all the local ctc groups carried on with groups of 6!

Interesting that it mentions to be mindful to how the public will view group's of 15 when the rule of 6 is being forced down there necks!!!
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 12 March, 2021, 04:48:42 pm
Meanwhile, Scottish Cycling is now "strongly recommending" a maximum group size of 9 for club rides: https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/scotland/article/20200313-Scottish-Cycling-Coronavirus-COVID19-Guidance-0
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: John Stonebridge on 17 March, 2021, 02:26:20 pm
Yesterdays Scottish Government announcement implies that that audax in any form wont be back until 26th April in Alba. 

Not long in the overall scheme of things, until one casts an eye south to see DIYs resuming 29th March. 
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Solocle on 29 March, 2021, 10:56:46 am
What's the score with ECEs? I can see for instance the 200k Valley of the Rocks next month, and the start is conveniently about 100 km from home... but ECEs aren't mentioned in the COVID update. I'd assume I can ECE it to 300 km, but what about 400, there and back again?

I'd assume not, but that makes it awfully tempting to do a leg by train, which does seem somewhat counterproductive.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: arabella on 29 March, 2021, 12:07:15 pm
You can ride it and not claim the point.  So it looks like a 300 and you know actually it was 400.
(Like my outing last week which wasn't '000s of circuits round the park and did come out at 2xx km, but wasn't an audax at all)
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Solocle on 29 March, 2021, 04:18:33 pm
I mean, that's true, and having a 4xx would be pushing beyond what I've done prior. However, I could just as well plan my own route and maybe even push for 500. But doing a calendar event, the prospect of a green cloth badge might just help dispel the temptation proffered by the train!
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Giropaul on 29 March, 2021, 06:33:37 pm
It looks like British Cycling is moving to groups of 15 on club rides etc from 29th March.  I guess that Audax UK is likely to follow this.

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20210309-about-bc-news-British-Cycling-update--The-Way-Forward-0
Yeah.
But unfortunately we won't be able to do much when we stop -except quickly disperse into groups of 6!
No-stop audaxes??

As so often, the devil’s in the detail.
BC have said 15 on organised rides with an appointed, certified leader. They’re thinking Breeze, Go Ride etc, not the good old club run ( 6 as with any other outdoor activity)
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: iddu on 29 March, 2021, 09:58:05 pm
What's the score with ECEs? I can see for instance the 200k Valley of the Rocks next month, and the start is conveniently about 100 km from home... but ECEs aren't mentioned in the COVID update. I'd assume I can ECE it to 300 km, but what about 400, there and back again?

I'd assume not, but that makes it awfully tempting to do a leg by train, which does seem somewhat counterproductive.

The current limits are events up to cumulative distance of ~300Km -  thus you could ECE 100Km either end, but not both (or some other split that accumulated to ~300Km)
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: jsabine on 29 March, 2021, 11:30:47 pm
What's the score with ECEs? I can see for instance the 200k Valley of the Rocks next month, and the start is conveniently about 100 km from home... but ECEs aren't mentioned in the COVID update. I'd assume I can ECE it to 300 km, but what about 400, there and back again?

I'd assume not, but that makes it awfully tempting to do a leg by train, which does seem somewhat counterproductive.

The current limits are events up to cumulative distance of ~300Km -  thus you could ECE 100Km either end, but not both (or some other split that accumulated to ~300Km)

The 'thinking' (such as it is) 1, is that at present you're not permitted to spend a night away from home (except for specified reasons that don't include audax).

If you take reasonably standard start times and a-bit-less-than-max ride times for a 200 (say 0800-2000) or a 300 (maybe 0600-0000), that's a day ride.

Obviously if you're quick you might be able start a 400 at 0600 and finish before bedtime, or if you're ECEing 100+200+100 you could make a case that 0200-0800-2000-0200 is a day ride, but those aren't exceptions we will make at present.

Depending on how you implement it though, Arabella's suggestion could fall inside both the letter and the spirit of the regulations and the rules ...

(Or, depending on stations and timetables, train-50-200-50-train?)



1: I should admit that I'm part of the 'thinking' ...
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 30 March, 2021, 02:46:37 pm
Only twice have I slept on a 400, once was a DIY with an overnight stop at home and the other was a flat route with a late start time,  having enough time for a worthwhile sleep and not being out of time at the next control is difficult.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Davef on 30 March, 2021, 10:02:18 pm
What's the score with ECEs? I can see for instance the 200k Valley of the Rocks next month, and the start is conveniently about 100 km from home... but ECEs aren't mentioned in the COVID update. I'd assume I can ECE it to 300 km, but what about 400, there and back again?

I'd assume not, but that makes it awfully tempting to do a leg by train, which does seem somewhat counterproductive.

The current limits are events up to cumulative distance of ~300Km -  thus you could ECE 100Km either end, but not both (or some other split that accumulated to ~300Km)

The 'thinking' (such as it is) 1, is that at present you're not permitted to spend a night away from home (except for specified reasons that don't include audax).

If you take reasonably standard start times and a-bit-less-than-max ride times for a 200 (say 0800-2000) or a 300 (maybe 0600-0000), that's a day ride.

Obviously if you're quick you might be able start a 400 at 0600 and finish before bedtime, or if you're ECEing 100+200+100 you could make a case that 0200-0800-2000-0200 is a day ride, but those aren't exceptions we will make at present.

Depending on how you implement it though, Arabella's suggestion could fall inside both the letter and the spirit of the regulations and the rules ...

(Or, depending on stations and timetables, train-50-200-50-train?)



1: I should admit that I'm part of the 'thinking' ...
Two more weeks and you will be permitted to stay away from home in self contained self catering accommodation (bivvy bag,Trangia)
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: mattc on 31 March, 2021, 06:44:00 pm
Are there really no Welsh events declared yet? ( I know things are a little more uncertain in Wales than England, but plenty of orgs on this side of the Dyke are taking risks on The Future.)
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: mattc on 11 May, 2021, 07:05:28 pm
Given the concerns about riders being "encouraged" to break the law riding longer events, I had to smile on last week's ride: I chatted for a while with a very pleasant chap who told me he'd booked 2 nights in Premier Inn (There was ice on my tent when I finished the ride  :facepalm:)

I've checked Prems website and the Covid page is VERY clear that they're still shut to leisure visitors. But a test booking got me through, despite clicking the "leisure" not Business option  ;D
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: FifeingEejit on 11 May, 2021, 07:48:04 pm
Hadn't realized Scotland and Wales were ahead on being allowed to stay away for leisure purposes.
That's except for locations and people living in Moray who will be receiving a special program probably due to the lack of a clear Scottish Government Policy on Doric such that they dinnae ken whit the instructions ur.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Ajax Bay on 12 May, 2021, 02:24:51 pm
A cursory Permanent Event 'search' suggests that John Ward has opened the entry mechanism for rides longer than 300, but understand that, to be validated, such rides must start no earlier than 0001 on Mon 17 May. Presume Area DIY organisers will accept entries for the longer distances too, with the same timeline caveat.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: tonyh on 12 May, 2021, 02:31:15 pm
Presume Area DIY organisers will accept entries for the longer distances too, with the same timeline caveat.

DIYs are a kind of Perm, fully called "DIY Permanents", so yes.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: grams on 13 June, 2021, 09:57:51 am
Was anyone else expecting larger fields to be allowed on calendar events by now? I think we’re still on the phase 1 restrictions from March.

ETA: Went to the AUK forum looking for angry villagers and found none.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: bhoot on 13 June, 2021, 08:03:26 pm
We have been keeping this page (http://audax.uk/static-data/covid-restrictions) up to date and it has the current limits on calendar event fields. If no limit is given that is because the restriction has now been lifted. What is doesn't have is information on start group size, but I understand that is being made available to organisers.
Of course currently some organisers may wish to only have a smaller number of entrants than normal.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: αdαmsκι on 13 June, 2021, 09:57:01 pm
Thanks. That's useful.

So if the government gives the go ahead tomorrow with the end of restrictions I'll be ok to re-open The Way to the Sea 200 (3 July) to extra riders :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Lightning Phil on 14 June, 2021, 05:31:45 pm
Hmm, I guess, a discussion now needs to happen on whether allowing longer calendar events is also delayed.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: mattc on 14 June, 2021, 06:50:10 pm
Hmm, I guess, a discussion now needs to happen on whether allowing longer calendar events is also delayed.
Could someone recap which of the current restrictions is stopping us?
(We can travel, stay in hotels, and do sport in groups of 30. I think. That may be ENG only, apologies if so ... )
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: John Stonebridge on 14 June, 2021, 09:09:18 pm
Wow I hadn't even realised that calendar events were limited anything less than 600 just now in ENG.

Ive made travel & accommodation plans for the Asparagus & Strawberries 400km on 17/18 July with an option to ECE it into a 600.

Guess that I’ll be looking at a solo DIY 400 or 600 now.  No hardship. 
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Deano on 14 June, 2021, 09:15:51 pm
Yeah, we (the organisers) all punted them ahead of 21st June cos it looked as though it wouldn't be possible for them to go ahead any earlier.

You can ride a perm 400 or 600 south of the wall now, so your ECE should be fine.

And I'm still planning my x-rated 400 and 600 on the 17th July. Small fields, no organised overnight control, and all the controls can cope with a couple of dozen more folk popping in over the course of hours.

Just needs the board to confirm it now (there's an update on the AUK forum).
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: wilkyboy on 14 June, 2021, 11:19:33 pm
IMPORTANT — well, at least significant  ::-)

There's a thread on the AUK forum (https://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=2064.msg16653#msg16653) (AUK members only) where the Secretary says that the reasons for limiting calendar distances in England no longer exist in quite the same way as they did, and so 400s and 600s are to be allowed going forwards, caveat the organiser must do an appropriate risk assessment — not just the paperwork, but actually assess whether it's feasible to run their longer events, taking into consideration the capacity for shops and cafés to cope with an influx of xx riders at a time.  I.e. it will be up to the organiser, in consultation with their local events delegate, to decide the most appropriate course of action or limitation.

(this is probably the note that Deano referred to?)

TBH it all seems very sensible and straightforward and I suspect most events will go ahead, but some may be limited in numbers.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: wilkyboy on 14 June, 2021, 11:23:07 pm
Ive made travel & accommodation plans for the Asparagus & Strawberries 400km on 17/18 July with an option to ECE it into a 600.

I live close enough to ECE A&S from home and also plan on it being my Essex 600 this year.  My understanding is that it is still going ahead (but don't quote me).

Fortuitously, the route passes within 50m of my front door at sleep o'clock  ;D
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: wilkyboy on 14 June, 2021, 11:26:02 pm
Thanks. That's useful.

So if the government gives the go ahead tomorrow with the end of restrictions I'll be ok to re-open The Way to the Sea 200 (3 July) to extra riders :thumbsup:

Adam, all you need to do is nominate a Covid Safety Officer (CSO) on your Covid RA and you can have as many riders as you want.  You would still have to consider whether all the control stops could cope with that number, but that means you're no longer limited to 30.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: mattc on 15 June, 2021, 07:11:09 am
IMPORTANT — well, at least significant  ::-)

There's a thread on the AUK forum (https://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=2064.msg16653#msg16653) (AUK members only) where the Secretary says that the reasons for limiting calendar distances in England no longer exist in quite the same way as they did, and so 400s and 600s are to be allowed going forwards, caveat the organiser must do an appropriate risk assessment — not just the paperwork, but actually assess whether it's feasible to run their longer events, taking into consideration the capacity for shops and cafés to cope with an influx of xx riders at a time.  I.e. it will be up to the organiser, in consultation with their local events delegate, to decide the most appropriate course of action or limitation.

(this is probably the note that Deano referred to?)

TBH it all seems very sensible and straightforward and I suspect most events will go ahead, but some may be limited in numbers.
Thanks Nick.

(Wouldn't it be simpler if they just said "Carry On, but please don't break any laws" ? Oh well ... )
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Deano on 15 June, 2021, 07:28:48 am
Yup, that's the one I spotted, Nick. It does imply that we could have been running 400s and 600s under current restrictions, and I had been wondering why group perms could go ahead but not calendar events.

Ah well, it was all very uncertain at the time. And I should have a little bit of space in my events if anyone fancies some northern hills.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Wheezy on 15 June, 2021, 11:50:47 am
Hi everyone. I had just entered the Asparagus and Strawberries 400 too. Am I correct in thinking that with the delay to lockdown easing, it's now unlikely to go ahead?
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Lightning Phil on 15 June, 2021, 12:31:20 pm
Awaiting official announcement from board. 

There’s some general discussion in forum from audax uk secretary and his thoughts.  Which is encouraging. But he is just one member of board. Nothing official yet.

Fingers crossed and all that.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Wheezy on 15 June, 2021, 12:58:30 pm
Thank you. Must be very frustrating for organisers. Looks like I'll be getting my head around doing a perm or two.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Ian H on 15 June, 2021, 05:49:17 pm
Hi everyone. I had just entered the Asparagus and Strawberries 400 too. Am I correct in thinking that with the delay to lockdown easing, it's now unlikely to go ahead?

You'll be able to ride it.  Announcement tomorrow or possibly later today.
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Wheezy on 16 June, 2021, 08:10:53 am
Hi everyone. I had just entered the Asparagus and Strawberries 400 too. Am I correct in thinking that with the delay to lockdown easing, it's now unlikely to go ahead?

You'll be able to ride it.  Announcement tomorrow or possibly later today.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: Lightning Phil on 16 June, 2021, 03:13:30 pm
Latest update now on audax uk Covid page
Title: Re: AUK post-2021 lockdown?
Post by: aidan.f on 16 June, 2021, 03:54:04 pm
https://audax.uk/static-data/covid-restrictions (https://audax.uk/static-data/covid-restrictions)
I read it as  'Situation near new normal'