Author Topic: Arrivée est arrivé!  (Read 339388 times)

Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
« Reply #2850 on: 16 June, 2021, 03:53:25 pm »
It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.
Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.

You seem to taken meaning from meaningless. But yes, I do think getting round an audax is a something, i enjoy it and it makes me feel mentally and physically better for some days afterwards.

I just struggle to believe I would feel a sense of anything shared with someone using powered motion on an audax.

I see plenty on the commute on powered scooter and bikes, that's fine, their choice, but I don't consider them cyclists because they're not cyclists and they now having the same experience.

Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
« Reply #2851 on: 16 June, 2021, 04:44:36 pm »
Tell that to Mrs F and you might have trouble walking afterwards.  Mrs F recently upgraded her e-bike to a Cannondale Synapse Neo as the Kalkhoff she had previously was proving incompatible.  A few weeks back Mrs F , at the age of 62 completed her first ever 100km ride.  Mrs F also suffers from stress/exercise induced asthma and is a Type I diabetic.  I was temendously proud of her.  Your denigration of the efforts of such people is profoundly disappointing.


Given that you are new to this forum, and that your opinions seem designed to inflame, I'd now invite the mods to check whether or not you are a troll.

quixoticgeek

  • Mostly Harmless
Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
« Reply #2852 on: 16 June, 2021, 09:33:03 pm »
You seem to taken meaning from meaningless. But yes, I do think getting round an audax is a something, i enjoy it and it makes me feel mentally and physically better for some days afterwards.

I just struggle to believe I would feel a sense of anything shared with someone using powered motion on an audax.

I see plenty on the commute on powered scooter and bikes, that's fine, their choice, but I don't consider them cyclists because they're not cyclists and they now having the same experience.

Pedal assist e-bikers are still cyclists. They may not be doing the same amount of effort as us, but they are turning the pedals to make them go. That's cycling. Sure it may be easier for them than it is for you or me, but hey, some rides are easier for others. Should I demand that everyone on the audax carry extra weight on the bike so that they weight the same as me, and thus experience the same problems on the hills? No. We're all cyclists, lifes too short to be fighting among ourselves, when there's idiots in 2 ton death cages who want us dead.

If someone wants to do a 600 on a pedal assist e-bike, sure why the fuck not, we can have a finisher list for assisted riders. Problems solved.

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Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
« Reply #2853 on: 16 June, 2021, 09:38:23 pm »
If someone wants to do a 600 on a pedal assist e-bike, sure why the fuck not, we can have a finisher list for assisted riders. Problems solved.

Surely in the Audax spirit, if you're doing a 600 on an e-bike you should have to carry your own spare batteries all the way around (or use a dynohub to charge them on the downhills)  :)

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
« Reply #2854 on: 16 June, 2021, 09:46:31 pm »
No. Being a randonneur is the result of accomplishing a simple task, riding a human-powered vehicle at least 200km within defined time limits. Pass or fail. It is somewhat of a challenge (depending on conditions, route, etc.) but an achievable one. Randonneuring has been that way for a century and there is a value in maintaining that basic challenge. Putting a motor on the cycle fundamentally changes riding a brevet into something that is not comparable.

Ride an e-bike, enjoy the ride and the scenery and socialising with companions but that should not result in a homologated brevet.
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
« Reply #2855 on: 16 June, 2021, 09:53:41 pm »
I don't disagree, carrying your own batteries was tongue in cheek  :)

If there's capacity on the rides, I don't see a particular issue with e-bikes riding the route though - only if they stop human powered riders being able to get a spot or cause control overcrowding. They obviously shouldn't be eligible for normal BR or BRM validation (will we need mechanical doping checks?)

Cudzoziemiec

  • Eating all the pies and drinking all the tea.
Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
« Reply #2856 on: 18 June, 2021, 04:38:08 pm »
It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.
Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.
That's in the latest issue. IN the next one it can be Zen and the Art of E-cycle Maintenance.
Riding a bike through a city is like navigating the collective neural pathways of a vast global mind.