ACP Randonneur 10000

[Liamo]

After completing LEL, I'm starting to think of where next for me with my audax goals.

As I love shiny bits of medals I've been looking at the various awards that I haven't yet achieved. One that interests me is ACP's Randonneur 10000.

Leaving aside for the moment the Super Randonnee 600, which I'd never heard of before, I see that one of the conditions is two full sets of rides ACP Brevets ie I think that means BRMs 200-1000. My question is if I need to have completed each of the sets within the same season. Or is sets x2 over the six year period?

Liam

[LittleWheelsandBig]

Two times each of 200, 300, 400, 600 and 1000 BRMs, no substitutions. Any combination you like over six years.

[Wycombewheeler]

After completing LEL, I'm starting to think of where next for me with my audax goals.

As I love shiny bits of medals I've been looking at the various awards that I haven't yet achieved. One that interests me is ACP's Randonneur 10000.

Leaving aside for the moment the Super Randonnee 600, which I'd never heard of before, I see that one of the conditions is two full sets of rides ACP Brevets ie I think that means BRMs 200-1000. My question is if I need to have completed each of the sets within the same season. Or is sets x2 over the six year period?

Liam

Super randonee is a 600km permanent ride with a significant amount of climbing.

There is so.e discussion in the Cambrian series thread. 6c is the one you need.

[Aunt Maud]

The 6C is still in the works, is it not ?

Plus, having previously ridden the 6A with Rabbit and going over all the hills, it's bound to be fierce and choppy.

[Wycombewheeler]

It's on the acp list of SRs, just needs to go up on audax UK. Personally I'd look to do it in late June or early July with maximum daylight. Should be ready by then.

Alternatives to the 6c would likely involve going to Alps or Pyrenees

[Liamo]

Many thanks all. The update on a SR 600 in the UK is very interesting.

[Jonah]

I put a claim in for one of these a long while back and did not hear back - Anyone else had the same deal?

[Jonah]

Would a Pendle calendar ride count as the Super Randonee or does it have to be a perm?

[LittleWheelsandBig]

Has to be a 600 perm recognised as a Super Randonnee by ACP.

[whosatthewheel]

I think in the UK the only Super Randonnee recognised by ACP would be the Cambrian 6C, if done in 60 hours

[Jonah]

Super!
Next question:
The rules say PBP and, inter alia, a 1200
Would 2 PBPs count?

[LittleWheelsandBig]

"Another 1200 km + event homologated by Les Randonneurs Mondiaux"

PBP isn't homologated by LRM.

[Jonah]

Please could anybody recommend a 1200 UK based ride which would qualify?

[Wycombewheeler]

Please could anybody recommend a 1200 UK based ride which would qualify?

Only LEL in 2021  full list of 1200s is here http://www.randonneursmondiaux.org/38-Calendar_2018.html

None in UK but one in Ireland

[RobW]

Possibly an oft asked question - but does anyone know if each of the required 2 series of ACP brevets has to be done in a calendar season?

The ACP wording seems a little vague to me - it says "2 full series of ACP brevets (200,300,400,600,1000)". But it doesn't state each must be in a narrower time window than the 6 year period of the Randonneur 10,000.

[LittleWheelsandBig]

The ACP doesn’t need a series to be done in a single year for this award.

[RobW]

The ACP doesn’t need a series to be done in a single year for this award.

Cool - thx for the confirmation.

[Ajax Bay]

Since this thread has been resurrected from 3 years ago, note that there are now 3 more SR600s organised in UK, besides the Cambrian 6c:
https://audax.uk/event-details?eventId=8557 The Great Northern "from Hexham Abbey - more-or-less a tour of the Pennines, down one side and up the other with an extra loop into the Lake District - You Have Been Warned." (map shown on page)
https://audax.uk/event-details?eventId=8306 The Devilishly Difficult Elegant - Tintern to North Wales and back (map shown on page)
https://audax.uk/event-details?eventId=8688 SW England's Moors - from Exeter https://perms.audax.uk/?eventId=8688

Cambrian 6c: https://audax.uk/event-details?eventId=6556 from Knighton 'round Wales' https://perms.audax.uk/?eventId=6556 Openrunner trace (mandatory route): openrunner.com and search for "Cambrian 6C".

[RobW]

For those interested in SR600s further afield - buddy who works with Audax in South Africa just let me know that in the last few days, the ACP have approved and added the "SR Afrique du Sud" to their list.

More info on the Audax SA site - http://audaxsa.co.za/sr-afrique-du-sud/

[Ajax Bay]

For those interested in SR600s further afield - buddy who works with Audax in South Africa just let me know that in the last few days, the ACP have approved and added the "SR Afrique du Sud" to their list.

More info on the Audax SA site - http://audaxsa.co.za/sr-afrique-du-sud/

I thought you were considering riding one of the UK SR600s, Rob?

[Zed43]

Be aware that a SR600 is no longer a requirement for the ACP10k award, you now need a regular BRM600 with 8000m of climbing. With the regular 40 hours time limit that is. Politics 

[Wycombewheeler]

Be aware that a SR600 is no longer a requirement for the ACP10k award, you now need a regular BRM600 with 8000m of climbing. With the regular 40 hours time limit that is. Politics 

my understanding is these goalposts are only moved AFTER this season

[Ajax Bay]

Be aware that a SR600 is no longer a requirement for the ACP10k award, you now need a regular BRM600 with 8000m of climbing. With the regular 40 hours time limit that is. Politics 

my understanding is these goalposts are only moved AFTER this season

Edit: I have checked the French version of the 'new' rules and it says: "Jusqu’au 31 octobre 2022 : Une SUPER RANDONNEE en formule « Randonneur », soit 600 km pour un dénivelé positif de 10000 m minimum, homologuée par l’Audax Club Parisien." OR a BRM600 with 8000m of climb.
So I think you are correct, @WW: an SR600 will do till 31 Oct. Get that LEL homologation sorted!
My understanding is as @Zed43.
https://www.audax-club-parisien.com/en/our-organizations/randonneur-10000-en/
https://www.audax-club-parisien.com/en/our-organizations/randonneur-10000-en/#RequestRandonneur10000
"After 12 years of intense collaboration, Sophie Matter asked Audax Club Parisien to transfer the organization of the Super Randonnées to Provence Randonneur, which was accepted during the club’s general assembly on December 2021. We thank Sophie for all the work done to build this organization and we wish her a great success within her club.
As a result, the Audax Club Parisien has reviewed the rules for the “Randonneur 10000” award. https://www.audax-club-parisien.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/R10000-reglement-anglais-2022.pdf
Super Randonnées will no longer be requested (ie be a requirement) from November 01, 2022. However, (after 1 Nov 2022) you can still include Super Randonnées validated until (sic, means by) October 31, 2022 as additional kilometers (sic).
Now, a BRM of 600km with a minimum elevation of 8000m will be required to request the Randonneur 10000 award.
We wish you beautiful rides to reach the Randonneurs 10000."
Any 600 BRM with 8 or more AAA points will do, but there are none in UK next year afaik and even Sophie's BRM next year is <8000m. The list of 600 BRMs in France do not show the climb.
"SR600s will no longer be requested from 1 Nov 2022." So one could read that as they are requested or they are at least acceptable in lieu of a AAA BRM 600.
I think it is worth checking with Chair Audax UK (the ACP/LRM rep, aiui: chair@audax.uk ) that ACP continues to accept a ACP homologated SR600 in that slot (seeing you've ridden it already) for this year's applications.
I am in 'sort of' the opposite position to you. I failed both attempts at an SR600 in 2019: (Cambrian 6c (adapted) and Sophie's Alpes de haute Provence), but have completed several AAA 600s, as well as all the rest: Mille Pennines, WH1000, LEL, PBP, Easter Arrow.

[Zed43]

What I understood is that if you send in your ACP10k claim before October 31st 2022 having met all requirements you can still use a SR600. If you meet for example every requirement except PBP (or a BRM 1000, or ...) and send in a claim next year September then you also need to do a BRM 600 with 8000m climbing, the SR600 you did in the past is then "bonus".

[Wycombewheeler]

I am in 'sort of' the opposite position to you. I failed both attempts at an SR600 in 2019: (Cambrian 6c (adapted) and Sophie's Alpes de haute Provence), but have completed several AAA 600s, as well as all the rest: Mille Pennines, WH1000, LEL, PBP, Easter Arrow.

well I do have on my AUK record Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019 which allegedly had 8500m, the question is how that climb is assesses by ACP, i really don't think they've though this through, most BRMs do not record the level of climb, so how will they know when anyone claims  the award, whether their rides count or not?  will someone investigate what the route of the event was at the time and verify on openrunner that the climb was sufficient? Will they accept AUK BRM points?