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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #25 on: 16 April, 2021, 02:59:21 pm »
He's allowing for brief stops, hence moving time.
if going for sub 24 hours, riding for 20 hours with 4 hours of stops seems tactically unwise.


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Have you met Toby?
No, but just now strava suggested I follow Fiona kolbinger. Her ride at the weekend was 319km, 6000m+ of climbing, average power 215W. Ride time 13 hours, stopped time ..... 7 minutes.

I’ve got my stopped time down to 30-45 mins on 200km audaxes. But compared to 7 mins I’m light years away. Clearly she’s eating on the bike a lot more than I. As to average power I’ll just laugh, as I’m nowhere near that for 13 hours riding...
I did 180km in 5:30 elapsed in 2017 with less than a  minute of stoppage. Looking back I am not quite sure how, particularly as it was preceded by a 4km swim and followed by running a marathon.

When you’ve got someone ahead to chase and someone behind chasing and the event is time based, a race. It makes all the difference. Which iron man triathlon was it?
Austria

That’s a country, did the event have a name?
Ironman Austria :-)

Found your result, 58th in your age and gender group. Well done.

Davef

Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #26 on: 16 April, 2021, 03:02:29 pm »
He's allowing for brief stops, hence moving time.
if going for sub 24 hours, riding for 20 hours with 4 hours of stops seems tactically unwise.


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Have you met Toby?
No, but just now strava suggested I follow Fiona kolbinger. Her ride at the weekend was 319km, 6000m+ of climbing, average power 215W. Ride time 13 hours, stopped time ..... 7 minutes.

I’ve got my stopped time down to 30-45 mins on 200km audaxes. But compared to 7 mins I’m light years away. Clearly she’s eating on the bike a lot more than I. As to average power I’ll just laugh, as I’m nowhere near that for 13 hours riding...
I did 180km in 5:30 elapsed in 2017 with less than a  minute of stoppage. Looking back I am not quite sure how, particularly as it was preceded by a 4km swim and followed by running a marathon.

When you’ve got someone ahead to chase and someone behind chasing and the event is time based, a race. It makes all the difference. Which iron man triathlon was it?
Austria

That’s a country, did the event have a name?
Ironman Austria :-)

Found your result, 58th in your age and gender group. Well done.
If there had been more than 60 entrants it would have been more impressive.

Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #27 on: 16 April, 2021, 03:05:47 pm »
He's allowing for brief stops, hence moving time.
if going for sub 24 hours, riding for 20 hours with 4 hours of stops seems tactically unwise.


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Have you met Toby?
No, but just now strava suggested I follow Fiona kolbinger. Her ride at the weekend was 319km, 6000m+ of climbing, average power 215W. Ride time 13 hours, stopped time ..... 7 minutes.

I’ve got my stopped time down to 30-45 mins on 200km audaxes. But compared to 7 mins I’m light years away. Clearly she’s eating on the bike a lot more than I. As to average power I’ll just laugh, as I’m nowhere near that for 13 hours riding...
I did 180km in 5:30 elapsed in 2017 with less than a  minute of stoppage. Looking back I am not quite sure how, particularly as it was preceded by a 4km swim and followed by running a marathon.

When you’ve got someone ahead to chase and someone behind chasing and the event is time based, a race. It makes all the difference. Which iron man triathlon was it?
Austria

That’s a country, did the event have a name?
Ironman Austria :-)

Found your result, 58th in your age and gender group. Well done.
If there had been more than 60 entrants it would have been more impressive.

Better than I’d do. For a start I don’t run and swim is indoors and not all that far 😀

Davef

Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #28 on: 16 April, 2021, 03:18:51 pm »
He's allowing for brief stops, hence moving time.
if going for sub 24 hours, riding for 20 hours with 4 hours of stops seems tactically unwise.


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Have you met Toby?
No, but just now strava suggested I follow Fiona kolbinger. Her ride at the weekend was 319km, 6000m+ of climbing, average power 215W. Ride time 13 hours, stopped time ..... 7 minutes.

I’ve got my stopped time down to 30-45 mins on 200km audaxes. But compared to 7 mins I’m light years away. Clearly she’s eating on the bike a lot more than I. As to average power I’ll just laugh, as I’m nowhere near that for 13 hours riding...
I did 180km in 5:30 elapsed in 2017 with less than a  minute of stoppage. Looking back I am not quite sure how, particularly as it was preceded by a 4km swim and followed by running a marathon.

When you’ve got someone ahead to chase and someone behind chasing and the event is time based, a race. It makes all the difference. Which iron man triathlon was it?
Austria

That’s a country, did the event have a name?
Ironman Austria :-)

Found your result, 58th in your age and gender group. Well done.
If there had been more than 60 entrants it would have been more impressive.

Better than I’d do. For a start I don’t run and swim is indoors and not all that far
I was second fastest Brit in my age category. I could have been a fair bit faster. It is all about round number times. I was on for 10:30 and realised that wasn’t going to happen with an hour to go and eased up knowing I was going to easily be under 11:00. If I had pushed on I could have been 15 minutes faster, but once the motivation is gone it is a challenge to keep the effort up.

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #29 on: 16 April, 2021, 03:27:15 pm »
I'd need 4 hours just for the wee stops

Given up with the strategy of weeing while on the go?
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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #30 on: 16 April, 2021, 03:35:55 pm »
It was myself that originally devised the Castleton Classic 200k route.  Before it became an Audax event it was the North Birmingham CTC's annual 140 in 12 with a slightly different start and finish point.  That was around 1982 if I remember correctly and it became an Audax around 1995.

Andy Wilkinson and Lynn Taylor rode it on a tandem as training for their upcoming end-to-end record in 1995(?) and finished in just over 7-hours I think.

I do know that Mick Potts rode and completed it in under 8 hours.

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #31 on: 16 April, 2021, 03:40:30 pm »
The mixed tandem E2E record was 2000.
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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #32 on: 16 April, 2021, 03:51:30 pm »
He's allowing for brief stops, hence moving time.
if going for sub 24 hours, riding for 20 hours with 4 hours of stops seems tactically unwise.


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Not a concern for me,  my moving time is over 24 hours,  so even without stops I won't break 24 hours

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #33 on: 16 April, 2021, 03:54:58 pm »
I'd need 4 hours just for the wee stops

Given up with the strategy of weeing while on the go?

Taught to me by the aforementioned Nik Gardner on the BC400 a few years ago. Goes down well on club runs.

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #34 on: 16 April, 2021, 04:11:44 pm »
It was myself that originally devised the Castleton Classic 200k route.  Before it became an Audax event it was the North Birmingham CTC's annual 140 in 12 with a slightly different start and finish point.  That was around 1982 if I remember correctly and it became an Audax around 1995.

Andy Wilkinson and Lynn Taylor rode it on a tandem as training for their upcoming end-to-end record in 1995(?) and finished in just over 7-hours I think.

I do know that Mick Potts rode and completed it in under 8 hours.

9:30, but I made it a bit longer at 220km...

Geriatricdolan

Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #35 on: 16 April, 2021, 04:21:35 pm »
Could be interesting to have a Welsh End to End (as opposed to an End to End and back to End)... kind of a 300 km or maybe 200 miles route from Bristol to Bangor.

Maybe one could to both way as separate brevets 300 + 300, without the hassle of having to be at Dolgellau in the middle of the night...

Maybe an Audax is not the right format, too many limitations in route choice... maybe something like a 200 (ish) miles Brevet with standards... 13 hours for Bronze, 12 for Silver 11 hours for gold or something like that

Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #36 on: 16 April, 2021, 05:18:30 pm »
I'd need 4 hours just for the wee stops

Given up with the strategy of weeing while on the go?

Taught to me by the aforementioned Nik Gardner on the BC400 a few years ago. Goes down well on club runs.
The trick is to strap an old inner tube to your leg to discharge below the bottom bracket.

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #37 on: 16 April, 2021, 05:42:19 pm »
Isn’t this why rain legs were invented?

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #38 on: 16 April, 2021, 05:59:06 pm »
for the riders behind him, yes.
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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #39 on: 16 April, 2021, 09:09:30 pm »
I'd need 4 hours just for the wee stops

Given up with the strategy of weeing while on the go?

Taught to me by the aforementioned Nik Gardner on the BC400 a few years ago. Goes down well on club runs.
The trick is to strap an old inner tube to your leg to discharge below the bottom bracket.
Or simply unfurl

Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #40 on: 16 April, 2021, 10:28:08 pm »
George Berwick relating how, when he won the Scottish 24hr with a record time that still stands, "I didn't stop for anything, not even for a pee... which is difficult when you're on fixed".

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #41 on: 17 April, 2021, 05:36:53 am »
Diverting further OT:
At the suggestion of his manager Bruce Small, Opperman learned, in the back streets of Paris, how to pee from a fixed wheel in preparation for the 1928 Bol d’Or race, a tandem-paced 24 hour velodrome race. He broke several chains during the event, which had been sabotaged by rivals. Apparently the crowd cheered after seeing the golden stream flicked up from his back tyre onto his competition. After winning, he was persuaded to ride an additional 79 minutes to break the 1000km record.
https://www.velonews.com/culture/an-inside-look-at-hubert-oppy-opperman-australias-first-cycling-star/
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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #42 on: 18 April, 2021, 06:20:21 pm »
Could be interesting to have a Welsh End to End (as opposed to an End to End and back to End)... kind of a 300 km or maybe 200 miles route from Bristol to Bangor.

Maybe one could to both way as separate brevets 300 + 300, without the hassle of having to be at Dolgellau in the middle of the night...

Maybe an Audax is not the right format, too many limitations in route choice... maybe something like a 200 (ish) miles Brevet with standards... 13 hours for Bronze, 12 for Silver 11 hours for gold or something like that
Audax is a stupid place to go chasing records. Save it for KOms, or better try something like this:

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #43 on: 22 April, 2021, 11:35:22 am »
Not setting records, but there are frameworks in other countries for completion time based challenges within the brevet time limits. I came across the American Cyclos Montagnards brevet challenge recently. Whilst it may only appeal to a niche subsection it seems some other countries have adopted similar approaches.

'The R80 honor requires completion of a brevet series (200, 300, 400 and 600 km) with each brevet completed in 80% or less of the maximum allowed time limit. The R70 and R60 honors are for those who complete the brevets in 70% or 60% of the allowed time, respectively.' More here; http://cyclosmontagnards.org/R80Rules.html

Rough average;

R80 19km/h total average
R70 21.5km/h total average
R60 25km/h total average

Whilst there is no validation structure in the UK it could be an interesting personal challenge if that way inclined.

In these times of reduced stopping options it could be an interesting exercise in terms of honing self sufficiency skills, reducing stopped time or covering routes with a slightly different focus.

Geriatricdolan

Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #44 on: 22 April, 2021, 11:41:59 am »
Not setting records, but there are frameworks in other countries for completion time based challenges within the brevet time limits. I came across the American Cyclos Montagnards brevet challenge recently. Whilst it may only appeal to a niche subsection it seems some other countries have adopted similar approaches.

'The R80 honor requires completion of a brevet series (200, 300, 400 and 600 km) with each brevet completed in 80% or less of the maximum allowed time limit. The R70 and R60 honors are for those who complete the brevets in 70% or 60% of the allowed time, respectively.' More here; http://cyclosmontagnards.org/R80Rules.html

Rough average;

R80 19km/h total average
R70 21.5km/h total average
R60 25km/h total average

Whilst there is no validation structure in the UK it could be an interesting personal challenge if that way inclined.

In these times of reduced stopping options it could be an interesting exercise in terms of honing self sufficiency skills, reducing stopped time or covering routes with a slightly different focus.

Nice, I also think there should be a way for AUK to introduce standards, ultimately that happens in PBP, which is the daddy of them all. If you can do a 400 in 16-18 hours without stretching yourself, then the challenge of the 27 hours is simply not there.
Take a 600, you could have a platinum brevet for 20-25 hours, gold for 25-30, silver for 30-35 and bronze for 35-40 hours...

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #45 on: 22 April, 2021, 11:47:40 am »
Why? It's not a sportive with a wanky medal.  Not everything in life has to be a competition.

Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #46 on: 22 April, 2021, 11:51:44 am »
AAA is our version of making brevets harder for willy waving purposes.

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #47 on: 22 April, 2021, 12:02:19 pm »
Im a “No” to Audax standards.

Back to my example of the 2003 Daylight

One of the very good aspects of audax is that Davie Stokes on his trike, Chloe Williams (right up against the time limit at points) and no doubt other full value riders achieved exactly the same as an E2E record holder who no doubt breezed round. 

http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2003/listevent/?Ride=256

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Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #48 on: 22 April, 2021, 12:06:15 pm »
Im a “No” to Audax standards.


I agree.


Interesting When AUK started there were different standards. Gold, Silver Bronze, each with a different min speed.

Re: BCM (and other classic brevets) record
« Reply #49 on: 22 April, 2021, 12:13:30 pm »
For clarity. I don't feel there should be any element of standards or grading finishes, but if someone is inclined to challenge themselves to ride x distance in x time all power to them if thats how they derive pleasure or a sense of achievement. As already noted there is already the scope for a range of riders completing the task as suits them.