Author Topic: Adoption  (Read 3077 times)

Blazer

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Adoption
« on: 24 April, 2015, 10:30:06 pm »
Adoption - either for you or by you.

Any experiences out there anyone able to share

Re: Adoption
« Reply #1 on: 28 April, 2015, 07:57:41 pm »
Not directly. Some friends have adopted.

It's worked out well for all concerned, although adopting from abroad can be very hard - a couple I knew took 2 years to get the paperwork through, cost them a fortune in the end (2 years of flying back and forth from south america).
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Re: Adoption
« Reply #2 on: 28 April, 2015, 10:38:31 pm »
My parents were supposed to adopt my first foster brother, but every time it came close, his mother caused problems  :(. He was 11 at the beginning of the process though.
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Ruthie

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Re: Adoption
« Reply #3 on: 29 April, 2015, 09:15:41 am »
A friend of mine adopted three children who'd been removed from their birth parents, having been through some pretty rough times.  They were very disturbed children and her life seemed, from the outside, to be absolute hell in spite of having lots of support from social services.  People even suggested she send the kids back, as it was so difficult.  As far as she was concerned, they were her kids, and that was that.  We've lost touch now.  I hope things are OK.

One thing she did tell me was that she deliberately didn't adopt a newborn.  Apparently, when pregnant mums know they're going to have their baby taken away at birth, they tend not to look after themselves very well.  Problems related to drug and alchohol abuse don't necessarily manifest at birth, and basically, you don't know what you're going to get.  At least Helen knew what she was getting into with her three.
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Re: Adoption
« Reply #4 on: 29 April, 2015, 11:38:09 am »
A friend of mine adopted three children who'd been removed from their birth parents, having been through some pretty rough times.  They were very disturbed children and her life seemed, from the outside, to be absolute hell in spite of having lots of support from social services.  People even suggested she send the kids back, as it was so difficult.  As far as she was concerned, they were her kids, and that was that.  We've lost touch now.  I hope things are OK.

One thing she did tell me was that she deliberately didn't adopt a newborn.  Apparently, when pregnant mums know they're going to have their baby taken away at birth, they tend not to look after themselves very well.  Problems related to drug and alchohol abuse don't necessarily manifest at birth, and basically, you don't know what you're going to get.  At least Helen knew what she was getting into with her three.

Hmm those are grim stories.
I taught some kids who were forceably removed from abusing, drug-dealing (and addicted) parents. They'd had a bit of physical abuse; the eldest had lost his sight in one eye.
They were lovely kids. They struck lucky with wonderful new parents and absolutely blossomed.
I know of one young woman who gave a child up for adoption, she was 16 when kid was born. Decided after about 6months that she couldn't guarantee to be the parent she felt her little girl deserved, so put her up for adoption.

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Ruthie

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Re: Adoption
« Reply #5 on: 29 April, 2015, 11:44:22 am »
That's the difference between giving up your child for adoption, and having it taken away in the delivery room because social services know you won't be able to look after it properly.

Not so many people give their children away now, there's more support around to help them bring them up yourself.  Thankfully.
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Eccentrica Gallumbits

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Re: Adoption
« Reply #6 on: 29 April, 2015, 12:20:02 pm »
A friend of mine was approved for adoption and had got as far as starting to look at kids (I imagine them in pens like at the cat rescue place) and then she started a new relationship, and was told they've have to re-start the whole assessment process again because of the new man. She couldn't face another couple of years of it and told them to sod off. Seems daft to me that they agreed she could be trusted to look after kids, but couldn't be trusted to pick a boyfriend.
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Kim

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Re: Adoption
« Reply #7 on: 29 April, 2015, 12:35:18 pm »
I was adopted some time after birth (due to hepatitis related complications, I didn't leave the hospital for weeks, and was briefly fostered by randoms while the paperwork got sorted out), as my biological parents were drug addicts.  What I know of them can be written on the back of a very small envelope.

My adoptive parents - nice white middle class box-ticking medics - were pretty much ideal parents for a sick child, though it turned out far from ideal for a QUILTBAG teen.  Predictably, they were fucked up about not being able to have children of their own, and kept the fact that I and my younger[1] brother were adopted from us until I reached the later years of primary school, where easing sex-eduction into the curriculum gently with a 'baby' topic[2] forced the issue (us both having a conspicuous absence of Stuff from when we were born that wasn't well-hidden in a safety deposit box so we wouldn't discover it and ask awkward questions).  I treated the news with the same excessive pragmatism that's kept me sane through everything else - it serving merely to explain why my brother looked nothing like the rest of us[3], and why my parents were obsessed with me developing a substance abuse habit.  My brother took it very badly, and felt rejected, at least until my queerness changed his position in the pecking order many years later (by which point the damage had been done).

I understand that that sort of thing is more strongly discouraged these days, either directly through counselling and more structured involvement of the biological family, or indirectly through social services' underfunding and general incompetence meaning that babies are unlikely to be successfully adopted before they're old enough to be aware of what's going on[4].


[1] Not younger enough that I noticed a baby appearing overnight without the usual warnings.
[2] In the 80s, all subjects other than Maths, English and Science were taught through the medium of 'topic' work, where you'd devote weeks of all kinds of lessons to Normans, Tudors or Geography.
[3] Through luck and general Irishness, I have enough of a physical resemblance to my mum's side of the family to appear normal.
[4] This comment is bitchy and not entirely fair, but justified.

Kim

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Re: Adoption
« Reply #8 on: 29 April, 2015, 12:39:29 pm »
Hmm, might this topic be better off in another board...

Re: Adoption
« Reply #9 on: 29 April, 2015, 12:45:35 pm »
Agreed
For clarification, I have not taught Kim (anything, ever, I suspect).
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Re: Adoption
« Reply #10 on: 29 April, 2015, 12:56:16 pm »
A close relative is an adoption specialist, formerly for social services but now works for a charity.

He tells me that potential adopters often had an idealised view of adoption and his job was in part to give them a reality check as just how difficult it could be, especially as some of the children can be very much harmed by early experiences from birth, with attachment disorders from not being able to form an attachment to parent in the first hours and days of life. Attachment issues can manifest themselves well into adulthood regardless of how much love an adopter has to give.

So I suppose, his advice would be not to have an idealised view before you start the process.

From his stories, I can fully understand why a new man (as per up thread) resulted in the need for a new assessment.