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Title: Survivors remake
Post by: andrewc on November 19, 2008, 12:04:22 pm
BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Survivors set for comeback (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7736990.stm)

Why not just repeat the original ?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 19, 2008, 12:13:31 pm
70s hilarity and no "zomg my mobile is dead!" nonsense.  :)

It might be good.  I've got it bookmarked, just for the "you did it wrong!" yelling.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Jaded on November 19, 2008, 12:13:47 pm
HD init.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Si on November 19, 2008, 12:31:37 pm
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Why not just repeat the original ?


yeah, I'm sure that they could CGI some hoodies onto a few members of the cast, and dub "init" to the end of every other statement to make it relevant to the yoof of today, robinhood-stylee  :thumbsup:  ;)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 19, 2008, 12:57:52 pm
I loved the original. I'll give this one a go. I cant remember exactly what happened to those who succumbed to the plague in the original. Didn't they turn to dust or something. I can't remember bodies being everywhere.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Deano on November 19, 2008, 01:47:24 pm
I haven't seen the original - I'm quite looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 19, 2008, 06:47:46 pm
That is a bit strange, I can distinctly remember really enjoying it but that is all I can remember. My memory worries me sometimes.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: spindrift on November 19, 2008, 06:52:35 pm
I only remember one episode where a bloke got rabies. I remember they stayed away from the cities because of the disease caused by all the cadavers. The intro was genuinely creepy:

YouTube - BBC Survivors intro 70s (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HPKk204nOTk)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: delthebike on November 19, 2008, 06:59:37 pm
That is a bit strange, I can distinctly remember really enjoying it but that is all I can remember. My memory worries me sometimes.
AOL.
Bizarrely I remember the main character, in his favourite blue anorak, making salt on a shingle beach.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Hummers on November 19, 2008, 07:08:05 pm
Is it a remake or a revisit to the same world but 33 years on?

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Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: delthebike on November 19, 2008, 07:13:05 pm
Is it a remake or a revisit to the same world but 33 years on?
Looks like a remake to me, if what one of the interviewees is true about the actors doing there own pieces before meeting up with the other survivors. It would seem to contain a couple of
Dr. Who dropouts, eg. Martha Jones.
The Numberwang guy is also in it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 19, 2008, 07:49:42 pm
That is a bit strange, I can distinctly remember really enjoying it but that is all I can remember. My memory worries me sometimes.
AOL.
Bizarrely I remember the main character, in his favourite blue anorak, making salt on a shingle beach.
AOL? Can't find anything other than America On Line for that?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Jules on November 19, 2008, 08:24:38 pm
I only remember one episode where a bloke got rabies. I remember they stayed away from the cities because of the disease caused by all the cadavers. The intro was genuinely creepy:

YouTube - BBC Survivors intro 70s (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HPKk204nOTk)


Classic line in the Youtube comments...


"I was always puzzled by who was cutting the hedges and keeping the grass mowed. It must have been a bi product of the virus. It did the gardening as a form of apology."
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Flying_Monkey on November 20, 2008, 12:28:06 pm
The original was one of the best things the BBC ever did... along with Threads (the nuclear bomb hits Sheffield film which they withdrew after MPs objected). This might be fun and I will watch it, but I don't think it will have the power of the original. No-one is really shocked by anything any more... and we've had countless TV and film apocalypses since then...
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Wascally Weasel on November 20, 2008, 12:43:21 pm
The original was one of the best things the BBC ever did... along with Threads (the nuclear bomb hits Sheffield film which they withdrew after MPs objected). This might be fun and I will watch it, but I don't think it will have the power of the original. No-one is really shocked by anything any more... and we've had countless TV and film apocalypses since then...

Threads is available on DVD now.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: vorsprung on November 20, 2008, 01:18:03 pm
One thing which the 70s survivors didn't have to contend with was the lack of the Internet

All the stuff they knew was in their heads or at the local library

I can imagine episode one of the new Survivors ... "Everyone is dead and the local supermarket is empty but worst of all I can't get on myspace to moan about it"
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Flying_Monkey on November 21, 2008, 07:54:05 am
Threads is available on DVD now.

I bought it when it first came out... it is still a surprisingly powerful piece of work.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: red marley on November 23, 2008, 11:51:01 am
Some of the acting in the original was truly cringe making, so I guess the remake can only improve on things. Having said that, there were a few really strong characters (Tom Price, the professional Welshman comes to mind) and storylines that I hope they'll keep. One of the dominant themes of the original which I hope they will keep was the idea of self-sufficiency and our dependency on each other to function as a society. Big in the 70s  - Survivors post-watershed, or in my case The Good Life if you weren't allowed to stay up after nine.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 23, 2008, 10:30:38 pm
That was rather good. 

What was going on right at the end, with the Seekrit Lab? ???
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andrewc on November 23, 2008, 10:35:15 pm
That was rather good. 

What was going on right at the end, with the Seekrit Lab? ???

It's a Deep Green plot to get the world population under control ?  A leak from Porton Down the goverment didn't want to own up to ?

All will be revealed in next weeks exciting episode..
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 23, 2008, 10:35:37 pm
Yes I liked that ending. Don't remember anything like that in the first edition.

Apart from a few silly bits like the scene in the Mosque  I thought it was pretty good. It must be much harder/technology dependent to create the scenes of desolation now.

Has anybody read the original novel? I would quite like to read it.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Basil on November 23, 2008, 10:36:06 pm
It wasn't bad really, was it?


What was going on right at the end, with the Seekrit Lab? ???

what was going on was a bit to make you think "ooh, what was that?  Must watch next week"  ;)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Deano on November 23, 2008, 10:36:13 pm
I assumed the bods in the lab were working on a vaccine.  Maybe there's a secret underground goverment too...?

Aye, I enjoyed that.  I thought it captured the sense of isolation and purposelessness quite well.

What was that Scottish road she was drving up to the adventure centre, by the way?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 23, 2008, 10:40:07 pm
I'm watching next week in case Milla Jovovich turns up with a pair of kukris and a can of whoop-ass.  She usually does when there's seekrit labbery going on.  I think it's like Princess Anne opening supermarkets.  Supermarket: Princess Anne.  Seekrit lab: Milla Jovovich.

And yes, the raw bloody despair was nicely done. 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andrewc on November 23, 2008, 10:41:13 pm

Has anybody read the original novel? I would quite like to read it.

The original series _was_ original.  There were two books published afterwards, based on the series & written by Terry Nation.  The first one followed the series, the second, "Genesis of a Hero" was the story of Peter Grant, the son of one of the main characters, Abby Grant. Pretty good as I recall , but I don't have copies. 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Charlotte on November 23, 2008, 10:45:00 pm
Loving this drama  8)

I'm watching next week in case Milla Jovovich turns up with a pair of kukris and a can of whoop-ass.  She usually does when there's seekrit labbery going on.  I think it's like Princess Anne opening supermarkets.  Supermarket: Princess Anne.  Seekrit lab: Milla Jovovich.

Milla Jovovich.  Proving that suspenders really do have a place in the post-apocalyptic world.  Since 2002  :D
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 23, 2008, 10:45:36 pm

Has anybody read the original novel? I would quite like to read it.

The original series _was_ original.  There were two books published afterwards, based on the series & written by Terry Nation.  The first one followed the series, the second, "Genesis of a Hero" was the story of Peter Grant, the son of one of the main characters, Abby Grant. Pretty good as I recall , but I don't have copies. 
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I saw "Terry Nation" (now you have reminded me) at the beginning so I assumed the original was based on his novel rather than the other way around.

I found myself thinking that it was quite a convenient situation as far as survival situations go. Lots of time to take a large truck and stock up with the essentials before heading for the hills.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 23, 2008, 10:47:51 pm
It said "based on the novel by" so maybe it was based on the novel based on the series?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andrewc on November 23, 2008, 10:48:34 pm
They appear to be following the original closely, copying the cast names, several scenes (the hospital, Abby? torching her house).  They've got the central characters together very quickly though.  I watched the original series on DVD a couple of years ago and it took several episodes to build up the group.

There was a lab scene in the original, the famous opening credits with the flask being dropped and shattered....
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 23, 2008, 10:51:24 pm
It said "based on the novel by" so maybe it was based on the novel based on the series?

That's what I thought I saw. I will probably still seek that out and read it anyway. Anybody else read it?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andrewc on November 23, 2008, 10:52:20 pm
From Wiki "The new version will be loosely based on Terry Nation's novel.[3] Not all of the characters from the original series will appear, and some will be reimagined."

All the info on the original series you could possibly want http://www.survivorstvseries.com/ (http://www.survivorstvseries.com/)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: border-rider on November 23, 2008, 11:06:13 pm

What was going on right at the end, with the Seekrit Lab? ???

They seem to have been prepared for it, and were expecting it...
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Wascally Weasel on November 23, 2008, 11:08:20 pm
I liked it - I must email my friend Andy (who now lives in Argentina) and get him to watch it on i-player - he was a huge fan of the original series and a fan of 'empty world' scenarios in general.

I was sitting there watching it, tripping on "I would do this, this, this and I'm so ready for this shit..."

Meanwhile Ms Weasel (diabetic) was pointing out just how screwed it would leave her (and an increasing number of the population).

 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Rhys W on November 23, 2008, 11:36:30 pm
I was sitting there watching it, tripping on "I would do this, this, this and I'm so ready for this shit..."

 That's exactly what I was doing (I was doing it during Dead Set as well). I just love a post-apocalyptic nightmare survival scenario.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on November 24, 2008, 12:25:38 am
 70's series  [has little Lucy Flemming moment] :-*

 I thought it was good, I will be watching episode two  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Flying_Monkey on November 24, 2008, 07:52:03 am
I enjoyed it too - very promising set up and the 'conspiracy' element hints at something more than just a standard post-apocalypse scenario...
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: gonzo on November 24, 2008, 08:07:08 am
Did no one else find it a little slow? I mean that one episode wasn't much off the length of the whole of 28 days later.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 24, 2008, 08:14:19 am
From that link that Andrew provided it appears that Terry Nation wrote half the episodes of the first series but none of the second and third. I wonder if the book is his idea of how it should have developed if he had had his way. I want to read it even more now.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Charlotte on November 24, 2008, 08:35:19 am
I was sitting there watching it, tripping on "I would do this, this, this and I'm so ready for this shit..."

The conspiracy theorists would contend that releasing dramas like this is a way that the authorities are preparing us for the breakdown of society.

In fact, just getting Mr and Mrs Joe Average to consider what they'd do in a civil emergency is a brilliant thing.  Most people are utterly unprepared for even the most benign of events.  By the time you've got a Katrina level scenario...
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Regulator on November 24, 2008, 08:37:39 am
I loved the fact that not one of them thought of getting on a bike.  They were happy to walk for miles....  :-\
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 24, 2008, 08:40:59 am
I would have been tempted to take to the canal barge. I don't know what the fuel consumption is but it would be possible to carry a fair amount of diesel plus a lot of food and water whilst getting as far as possible from the city.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: alan on November 24, 2008, 08:59:23 am
What was that Scottish road she was drving up to the adventure centre, by the way?

I thought it looked very much like the Buxton to Macclesfield road rising past the Goyt valley towards the Cat & Fiddle pub.

It was a good enough start to make me want to watch the next episode.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Hummers on November 24, 2008, 09:44:32 am
I enjoyed it.  :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on November 24, 2008, 09:47:36 am
I remember the original (just), this was a bit of a Lost style remake with lots of image and a bit short on story; but thanks to iplayer there's a chance I might actually see the whole series.

Still trying to find a copy of The Last Train; Z for Zacaharia (the BBC Wales version) is on Youtube

Threads was on Google videos a while back
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 10:00:19 am
What was that Scottish road she was drving up to the adventure centre, by the way?

I thought it looked very much like the Buxton to Macclesfield road rising past the Goyt valley towards the Cat & Fiddle pub.

It was a good enough start to make me want to watch the next episode.
Which was strange as the map on the wall at the adventure centure seemed to suggest that it was near Spurn Point - near Hull.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: alan on November 24, 2008, 10:10:36 am
Yes indeed but Spurn Point is very flat.It can be misleading to believe that the continuity editor is infallible.

Addendum.
Having said that,recent experience tells me that there are some lumpy bits not too far away from Spurn Point:nearer Beverley :-X
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: blackpuddinonnabike on November 24, 2008, 10:19:17 am
Next you'll be telling us that you DON'T go from the South of England to Nottingham via Hadrian's Wall...

That wasn't bad alst night. Enough in it to watch Episode 2. We spent the whole time working out what we'd do as well, and wondering just how panicky you'd get about people trying to steal your stuff if you set yourself up with a farm or whatever. We concluded an island was the best option. Closest to us would be something in the Firth of Forth so we've got first dibs on Inchcolm.

Oh, and Mel was most perturbed at the lack of decomposition on the bodies, and that they didn't seemingly smell till wotserface walked into the hospital trying to find her son. AND the Alfa escaped without a scratch crashing through the glass, and there was no need to back up before driving through...
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 10:22:25 am
She didn't put her seatbelt on before crashing it through the doors either.

 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: alan on November 24, 2008, 10:25:45 am
It would have been more survival-sympathetic to have reversed thru' the glass doors.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 10:30:54 am
We were wondering what we would do too. We came up with:

1) Straight down to the nearest gunsmiths (and I know where it is) for some shot guns and ammo. Both for protection and for shooting game. Also get some air rifles whilst there along with moulds to make your own pellets.

2) Go to the Landrover dealers and pick up a nice new LWB Defender (the crew cab in this weeks episod was a good idea). Preferabley one fitted out with expedition gear.

3) Pick up a generator.

4) Raid the chemists for painkillers and antibiotics.

5) Water purification equipment. Some of the flasks with microfilters from good camping shops at least.

6) Find a nice farm house with an Arga or other solid fuel fired heating that doesn't rely on an electric pump.

7) Raid the supermarket and then head for the hills. Hope to find a farmer.  Visit a country library - they really are packed with books about keeping pigs and so on. At least the ones round here are.

8) Get some dogs. For use as guard dogs and to warn you of feral dogs.

That's interesting you cant have eight bracket without it being a smiley.

Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: alan on November 24, 2008, 10:35:55 am
Excellent agenda Pc

Similarly, what would be the ideal community cast list?

doctor
soldier
politiucian
farmer
Ray Mears..
Yacf forum members
bike muckhanic
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 10:50:54 am
Doctor
Vet
Farmer
Engineer
Carpenter
Blacksmith
Anyone who knows lots about horses
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 10:51:53 am
An interesting question is how long it would take us to recover back to something like the present technology level.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Charlotte on November 24, 2008, 10:58:09 am
Depends largely on the percentage that survived, I'd have thought.

Most of the survivors would die out, too though.  Mainly through disease associated with lots of dead bodies and lack of sanitation and infrastructure.  Some through starvation, accident and conflict.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 11:01:21 am
On omission form the show was radio.  Surely radio is the medium one would expect to monitor for signs of life not mobile phones or TV ?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 24, 2008, 11:10:59 am
If Radio 4 is off the air, the world has ended.

A lot of singleton survivors would die through screw-up, or end up living small, grubby little lives like mad bag-ladies. 

I'd be gawping at the awesome opportunity I'd been handed.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: border-rider on November 24, 2008, 11:13:08 am
On omission form the show was radio.  Surely radio is the medium one would expect to monitor for signs of life not mobile phones or TV ?

That was just what I said to Mrs MV.

I'd have been rapidly acquiring a short wave radio set on the basis that anyone who had a clue would be doing the same, and that any vestige of central authority and/or the army would be using it.

I'd also have taken a f'off big truck down to Sainsbury's warehouse, loaded up with long-life produce and headed for the hills.  Or at least i would if I didn't already live there :)

Get orrrf my land, townies.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: redshift on November 24, 2008, 11:13:23 am
I was sitting there watching it, tripping on "I would do this, this, this and I'm so ready for this shit..."

The conspiracy theorists would contend that releasing dramas like this is a way that the authorities are preparing us for the breakdown of society.

c.f. When the Wind Blows, Threads, The War Game (not shown on TV until nearly 20 years after it was made).  Just for laughs, have a read of "Protect and Survive" (http://www.cybertrn.demon.co.uk/atomic/), which was the official booklet for the nuclear apocalypse - satirised mercilessly in Raymond Briggs' book and The Young Ones. 
Available as Public Information Films:
Action After Warnings (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6677Eppc-sk)
What to do After an Attack (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WTesKFspWWM)
Casualties (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hGMdnod8VPI)
etc. etc.

I suspect that current thinking is "Scratch out the word 'nuclear' and write 'biological' in with crayon instead..."
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: border-rider on November 24, 2008, 11:16:31 am
An interesting question is how long it would take us to recover back to something like the present technology level.

That would depend on electrical power.

I'd guess that the power stations would be permanently unusably pdq, and the grid probably before that so you'd have to develop local power generation.  Left-over gennies would help, but after a few decades you'd need the ability to make them yourself and to run them off wind & water and not oil.  Electrical engineers could be useful people.

Yay ! The geeks survive :)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 11:17:00 am
Does anyone know how long antibiotics last for before they go off ? If you got a big hoard would they last a couple of generations ?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: redshift on November 24, 2008, 11:27:31 am
If Radio 4 is off the air, the world has ended.

The Importance of your Radio (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvR7P9heH8)

There's a persistent myth(?) that the R4 Long Wave TX is maintained solely for the purpose of distant submariners checking whether good ol' Blighty is still there or not. 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: nicknack on November 24, 2008, 11:52:01 am
Excellent agenda Pc

Similarly, what would be the ideal community cast list?

doctor
soldier
politiucian
farmer
Ray Mears..
Yacf forum members
bike muckhanic

Oh come on! You forgot the obvious one.

Everyone knows you need a busty page 3 type blonde to complete the team.  ;D
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: border-rider on November 24, 2008, 11:58:06 am
If Radio 4 is off the air, the world has ended.

The Importance of your Radio (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvR7P9heH8)

There's a persistent myth(?) that the R4 Long Wave TX is maintained solely for the purpose of distant submariners checking whether good ol' Blighty is still there or not. 

ISTR that there's a somewhat lower frequency f'off big antenna used specifically for that purpose.  Last time I looked it was operated by BT but that may have changed.

The Americans have some buried antennas operating at startlingly low frequencies for communication with deeply submerged subs. 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: redshift on November 24, 2008, 12:14:40 pm
I thought VLF and ELF are usually used for tactical comms though - small groups of letters or numbers due to the bandwidth limitations.  I would suspect that it's mostly prearranged groups to indicate times for more comprehensive satellite comms.  ICBW.

It's always a regret that in my time at the Beeb I never managed to get a tour of Droitwich.

Actually, that's another thing to add to your list of apocalypse needs - amateur radio.  PMR handsets are ok for a few km, 2-metre and 70cms would be better for middle distance.  You could add <70MHz stuff and you'd have european/worldwide comms.  At high power you'd need a generator, but I bet there's some good QRP kit out there.  You'd be listening to a much quieter planet for a while, too.  Packet radio (assuming the nodes survive) would mean you could still use computers, but all you need for Morse is a pair of bared wires.  CQ CQ CQDX...   ;D
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: rr on November 24, 2008, 12:19:41 pm
We were wondering what we would do too. We came up with:

1) Straight down to the nearest gunsmiths (and I know where it is) for some shot guns and ammo. Both for protection and for shooting game. Also get some air rifles whilst there along with moulds to make your own pellets.

2) Go to the Landrover dealers and pick up a nice new LWB Defender (the crew cab in this weeks episod was a good idea). Preferabley one fitted out with expedition gear.

3) Pick up a generator.

4) Raid the chemists for painkillers and antibiotics.

5) Water purification equipment. Some of the flasks with microfilters from good camping shops at least.

6) Find a nice farm house with an Arga or other solid fuel fired heating that doesn't rely on an electric pump.

7) Raid the supermarket and then head for the hills. Hope to find a farmer.  Visit a country library - they really are packed with books about keeping pigs and so on. At least the ones round here are.

8) Get some dogs. For use as guard dogs and to warn you of feral dogs.

That's interesting you cant have eight bracket without it being a smiley.



And loads and loads of batteries
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 12:20:37 pm
Freeplay torches etc would be good.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: alan on November 24, 2008, 12:20:59 pm
Excellent agenda Pc

Similarly, what would be the ideal community cast list?

doctor
soldier
politiucian
farmer
Ray Mears..
Yacf forum members
bike muckhanic

Oh come on! You forgot the obvious one.

Everyone knows you need a busty page 3 type blonde to complete the team.  ;D

No I didn't forget.
Human nature being what it is most males would think,without thinking as it were,

Wimmin,lots of wimmin. :)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 24, 2008, 12:27:43 pm
Excellent agenda Pc

Similarly, what would be the ideal community cast list?

doctor
soldier
politiucian
farmer
Ray Mears..
Yacf forum members
bike muckhanic

Oh come on! You forgot the obvious one.

Everyone knows you need a busty page 3 type blonde to complete the team.  ;D

No I didn't forget.
Human nature being what it is most males would think,without thinking as it were,

Wimmin,lots of wimmin. :)

My guess would be that Alan has presumed that all but Ray Mears would be of the lady variety.  ;)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: LEE on November 24, 2008, 12:27:51 pm
Excellent agenda Pc

Similarly, what would be the ideal community cast list?

doctor
soldier
politiucian
farmer
Ray Mears..
Yacf forum members
bike muckhanic

You paint a grim picture.


1 second after any 'event' like this is too late to prepare for it.

Local Gunsmiths won't take kindly to you taking their guns and will be perfectly able to fend you off I imagine.

All shops rely totally on 'Just In Time' supply and can't even handle a rumour of a shortage any more.


The time to do it is now.

Become member of Clay-Pigeon club to speed up your Shotgun application process
Buy a couple of decent 22 Air Rifles .  No need for a pellet mould, just buy 100,000 rounds, they are dirt cheap.
Crossbow and a few hundred bolts (I like traditional Bows but now is not the time for aesthetics)
That will take care of home defense and putting meat on the table for a while.


Get yourself a nice hillside farm house next to a river and sort out wind turbine and a water-wheel turbine.

Get the butch Landrover and start hoarding fuel in a concealed storage tank (Domestic Fuel Oil tank?).  Make sure nobody knows you have thousands of gallons of Deisel.

Start buying tinned goods, adding to the back of the pile and eating from the front (how long do tins of beans/vegetables and so on last?)

Start planting and growing.

Make friends with local Farming community (they can grow stuff, they are armed to the teeth, have fuel and useful vehicles).  Say good bye to your (B Ark) city friends.
.


I haven't seen the TV program yet but I know that it's actually impossible to evacuate a city at short notice.  Emergency Services know this.  You won't be able to get your car to the end of your street for days.

We just aren't prepared for anything to go wrong nowadays, it's all balanced so finely that 4 badly timed car accidents can gridlock London.

If the News says "There is the possibility of a bread shortage next week" then the shelves will be empty of bread within the hour.


Summary:  Guns, lots of guns.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 24, 2008, 12:35:40 pm
Does anyone know how long antibiotics last for before they go off ? If you got a big hoard would they last a couple of generations ?

Not that long: couple of years in the fridge, up to 4 years in a -20 freezer. 

After which, your survival community is screwed unless you remembered not to use the Compleat Workes of Olde Scientistes as fuel in the cold snap.

Of course, type-1 diabetics are all dead by then.

Fuel doesn't keep forever, either. 

I'd be keen to get power on - a Hugh Pigott-style wind genny would be doable with a crew of three, and car batteries are easy scavenge.  Power is muy importante (lights that don't start fires, refrigeration, ipods ;) )
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 12:43:25 pm
Mmm are antibiotics difficult to make ? I am thinking that with antibiotics and a doctor or two you can survive accidents and illnesses reasonably well. Without them the mortality rate shoots up.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: vorsprung on November 24, 2008, 12:50:29 pm
i thought the show was piss poor.  There were some great opportunties for humour or incidental music or tigers escaped from the zoo wreaking havoc.  But all they could manage was one exploding petrol station.

It reminded me of the awlful "Last Train"

And the secret lab bit at the end.  Oh for goodness sakes.

Won't be watching episode 2
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 24, 2008, 01:18:10 pm
Mmm are antibiotics difficult to make ? I am thinking that with antibiotics and a doctor or two you can survive accidents and illnesses reasonably well. Without them the mortality rate shoots up.

IIRC, you can do penicillin with a shed lab.  You'd need some incubators, glassware, centrifuges, stuff like that.  Penicillin is the juice that comes off the bread mould, so you need to get that, kill anything that might be left alive in it, make it clean and safe to ingest.  Test with a yeast culture - penicillin ought to kill that. 

Nutrient media for the bugs and stuff like alcohol for the cleaning and any solvent extractions, they'll be the limiting factor.  BOC aren't going to come round with the consumables any more. 

Give me the right books and a Transit-van trip to a university, and I could do it.  Of course, I just googled like a good 'un to get that info, so I'd be screwed when the world went offline!  :)

Shifty is wise: once you've got power and a roof over your head, it's probably time to ram-raid Maplins for a ham radio rig and see who else is out there. 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 24, 2008, 01:19:15 pm
I have just read a synopsis of the first episode of the original series. It so similar to the new one that reading any more would almost certainly spoil the next episode of the new version. I have also just realised how much I fancied 'Jenny' all those years ago.  ;)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Malandro on November 24, 2008, 01:20:43 pm
I quite enjoyed the programme and will watch Episode 2. 

However, there seemed to be a lack of dead bodies except in the obvious places like homes or hospitals.  Would there really be none (or few) outside?  The one's that were shown were remarkably well preserved.  Surely there would have been rats, flies and birds all having a field day!  And there were miles of streets and roads devoid of cars and other vehicles, crashed, parked or otherwise.  And fires, where were the fires!

I think it was all a bit simplistic!

 

Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 24, 2008, 01:32:52 pm
Editorial decision - this is child-friendly.  Corvus corax with his sticky beak in granny's guts isn't.

The fires was an odd omission though.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 01:35:39 pm
How long would you have to quite cities for before it was safe to go back scavenging ? Presumably after a certain point the bodies would have decomposed enough that cholera etc were no longer a risk. In the meantime out of town shopping centres would be a boon for once.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 24, 2008, 01:41:24 pm
The biggest let down for me was the fact that on the one hand the disease was supposedly flu like which would suggest that most people would be at home or in hospital when they finally died. On the other hand, there were many people who appeared to have died very suddenly, at the wheel of their car for example. The manner and speed of death would have made a very big difference to the scene left behind so I think it was quite a big oversight to get it wrong.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Charlotte on November 24, 2008, 01:45:33 pm
Summary:  Guns, lots of guns.

Sadly, I think this is quite true.  Human nature being what it is, in the event of most of our civil infrastructure disappearing, if you're living in a populous area then you'd better be well armed.

This reminds me - I must set up an archery boss at the SEEKRIT BUNKER.  It'll only be 20m or so, but then again, that's about right for most shots in the post-apocalyptic world.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 01:51:09 pm
I did wonder about personal weapons. Swords might make a rather rapid comeback.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 24, 2008, 01:52:40 pm
Excellent, lots of mall ninjas to mock. 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 24, 2008, 01:55:39 pm
I was thinking more along the lines of a 17th / 18th  century rapier. Something not too heavy but with an edge on both sides as well as a point.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Charlotte on November 24, 2008, 01:58:10 pm
You're still screwed - get yourself a decent machete and learn to run.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Malandro on November 24, 2008, 02:01:06 pm
Thing is, so far they've only shown around 20 survivors (though obviously there are meant to be more).  Aside from a few nutters, you'd think people would want to band together in order to survive rather than think about who they might have to shoot.  At least initially when no one really has any idea as to whats going on....

Perhaps I'm just being naive...
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: vorsprung on November 24, 2008, 02:09:29 pm
Thing is, so far they've only shown around 20 survivors (though obviously there are meant to be more).  Aside from a few nutters, you'd think people would want to band together in order to survive rather than think about who they might have to shoot.  At least initially when no one really has any idea as to whats going on....

Perhaps I'm just being naive...

The population of the UK is 50 million, approx.

1% of that is 500,000.  That's quite a lot of people still really

Why would you "band together" with a total stranger?

Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Flying_Monkey on November 24, 2008, 02:12:55 pm
I was sitting there watching it, tripping on "I would do this, this, this and I'm so ready for this shit..."

The conspiracy theorists would contend that releasing dramas like this is a way that the authorities are preparing us for the breakdown of society.

c.f. When the Wind Blows, Threads,

eh? Threads was considered to be so much against nuclear defence policy at the time (i.e.: it showed how useless our deterrent would be) that the BBC was forced to shelve in by the government of the day.

Why on earth would the government want to 'prepare us for the breakdown of society'? They'd rather have us believing in their power to keep society going for ever, but at the same time have us menaced by threats that require a strong, militarised state. 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 24, 2008, 02:13:26 pm
Thing is, so far they've only shown around 20 survivors (though obviously there are meant to be more).  Aside from a few nutters, you'd think people would want to band together in order to survive rather than think about who they might have to shoot.  At least initially when no one really has any idea as to whats going on....

Perhaps I'm just being naive...

The population of the UK is 50 million, approx.

1% of that is 500,000.  That's quite a lot of people still really

Why would you "band together" with a total stranger?



Because most people would feel safer than they would on their own and survival chances would surely be enhanced by cooperation.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Malandro on November 24, 2008, 02:22:06 pm
Thing is, so far they've only shown around 20 survivors (though obviously there are meant to be more).  Aside from a few nutters, you'd think people would want to band together in order to survive rather than think about who they might have to shoot.  At least initially when no one really has any idea as to whats going on....

Perhaps I'm just being naive...

The population of the UK is 50 million, approx.

1% of that is 500,000.  That's quite a lot of people still really

Why would you "band together" with a total stranger?



Because most people would feel safer than they would on their own and survival chances would surely be enhanced by cooperation.

You beat me to it.  Some people could survive as loners but I reckon the majority would crave companionship sooner or later.   
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Really Ancien on November 24, 2008, 02:23:26 pm
The point of a series like this is to tell us something about the nature of the society we live in. The most obvious point is that most people do nothing practically in their everyday lives which would be of value in a post apocalyptic world. Indeed those who do carry out practical work are derided by those who hold power.
We have among us immigrants who would thrive in the 'Survivors' scenario. I would pitch in with Sri Lankans, Zimbabweans, Australians, New Zealanders, Poles and others from a peasant or mining background before I looked for any help from someone from Hampstead. I'm off for a bike ride now, I've got to fit a new clutch to a chainsaw when I get back. I might check the generator and my petrol powered drill as well.

Damon.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: redshift on November 24, 2008, 03:06:17 pm
I was sitting there watching it, tripping on "I would do this, this, this and I'm so ready for this shit..."

The conspiracy theorists would contend that releasing dramas like this is a way that the authorities are preparing us for the breakdown of society.

c.f. When the Wind Blows, Threads,

eh? Threads was considered to be so much against nuclear defence policy at the time (i.e.: it showed how useless our deterrent would be) that the BBC was forced to shelve in by the government of the day.

Threads was not shelved, and went out as scheduled, to the roars of some pro-nuclear types.  The War Game was shelved, as I mentioned, and not shown until 1985 - about a week after a repeat of Threads, IIRC.  There was a 'Nuclear' week on the Beeb and the highlight of the week was "The film that we couldn't ever show you - until now."

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Why on earth would the government want to 'prepare us for the breakdown of society'? They'd rather have us believing in their power to keep society going for ever, but at the same time have us menaced by threats that require a strong, militarised state. 

Hence why I highlighted the stupidity of 'Protect and Survive' and the way it was satirized - I never knew anyone who thought the content of the publication was worth a damn.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 24, 2008, 03:15:33 pm
Threads scared the crap out of me.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Flying_Monkey on November 24, 2008, 03:35:44 pm
Hence why I highlighted the stupidity of 'Protect and Survive' and the way it was satirized - I never knew anyone who thought the content of the publication was worth a damn.

The Manchester Imperial War Museum North has a fantastic exhibition of all that 'Protect and Survive' / 'Duck and Cover' (US version) stuff. The bizarre thing is that they don't appear to have learnt much - the recent 'Preparing for Emergencies' material was almost as vacuous.

PS: thanks for the correction on Threads.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: redshift on November 24, 2008, 03:38:36 pm
Threads scared the crap out of me.   :thumbsup:

If the rumours were true, it scared the crap out of Sheffield's finest too, when someone forgot to phone round all the stations with the warning about the big petrol-bomb mushroom cloud that the SFX team conjured up...  ;D

@Flying Monkey - I'll have to go and have a look at that: Another exhibition on the list of 'things shifty must do', like the Wellcome Foundation 'War & Medicine' one that's on at the moment.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: clarion on November 24, 2008, 03:42:22 pm
I remember watching it in silence with other Sheffielders - really shocking. 

Mind you, there was a cheer when the Housing Benefit Office exploded... ;D
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Flying_Monkey on November 24, 2008, 03:53:33 pm
I remember watching it in silence with other Sheffielders - really shocking. 

Mind you, there was a cheer when the Housing Benefit Office exploded... ;D

I can imagine! I showed it to a film club I run here last year, and people were just as shocked. It is, for all its early 80s cheapness, a very powerful piece of work.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on November 24, 2008, 03:56:03 pm
Enjoy  :-\

Threads - Nuclear War, 1984 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023790698427111488&ei=Ls4qSdSyJZ3EiQKLv8ToCA&q=threads+1984)

the scariest thing was that Thatcher and Reagan would actually have pushed the button
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: border-rider on November 24, 2008, 03:56:33 pm
I remember watching it in silence with other Sheffielders - really shocking. 

It really was a shocking (in a good way) piece of TV when it was screened.  I can still remember watching it.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: bikenerd on November 24, 2008, 04:25:13 pm
Now the thread has turned nuclear, I think it's time I mentioned Jericho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(TV_series)) which was shown recently on Virgin 1 (IIRC).  The first 12 episodes or so were very good.  Then it went a bit "24".

Anyway, watching Survivors last night I thought of how different the post apocalyptic worlds in Jericho and Survivors are.  In Jericho *everyone* has a gun, but they're all still loyal to the flag / mayor / government and believe that the federal government will save them all.  In Survivors the characters quickly realise that they're on their own to a lesser or greater extent and no government is going to save them.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Tom B on November 24, 2008, 05:30:46 pm
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In Survivors the characters quickly realise that they're on their own to a lesser or greater extent and no government is going to save them.

Is this plot device getting us ready for the revelation of the purpose of the above-mentioned 'Seekrit Bunker', perhaps?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Really Ancien on November 24, 2008, 05:48:23 pm
IIRC the original series developed to study the nature of  bonds and obligations in the context of a society where the normal primary loyalties of kinship were removed, as such it reflected a fascination with the conflict between communal living and the family which was fashionable at the time. This was coupled with an exploration of the nature of economics in a nascent state, It was all very interesting to a 15 year old.
There was actually more useful post-apocalypse advice in 'The High Chapparal' which concerned itself with kinship and rivalry and how to resolve conflicts without recourse to violence.
The real winners in a Survivors scenario would be Travellers, a suitable skill set and a no-nonsense attitude to attempted intimidation.

Damon.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on November 24, 2008, 10:09:27 pm
 Not many people will want their driveways tarmacked though  ;)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 24, 2008, 10:19:55 pm
Maybe they'd tarmac everything, then realise they'd wasted the ecosystem - a kind of pikey Easter Island with dogs on string instead of moai?

Come the plague apocalypse I'm moving into River Cottage.  Who's for a slice of cured Hugh?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: redshift on November 24, 2008, 10:22:40 pm
Bit stringy for me.  Anyway, I couldn't eat him, he looks like a friend of mine.  ::-)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 24, 2008, 10:26:13 pm
Everyone looks the same with the skin off.   :)

And for stringy meat, a nice oil marinade, with some big flavours to complement the gastro-tellyboy mutton.

Darn, my turn to bbq cannibalism is out of the bag!
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Charlotte on November 24, 2008, 10:34:28 pm
Hell, if that's all that's left I'll join you in the feast and maybe bring along some fat-lipped mockney tosspot hotpot.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: ScumOfTheRoad on November 24, 2008, 10:39:04 pm
You're still screwed - get yourself a decent machete and learn to run.

Why run? I thought that was why you have a stable of differing types of bikes - and regularly practise steering one-handed.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: nutkin on November 24, 2008, 10:43:44 pm
Watched this and have come to some decisions...

Should I survive the plague/'flu/assorted buggy type things then I'd:

1) Go straight to the local coal merchants, borrow the lorry and load up on coal and gas cylinders.

2) Locate and obtain a couple of goats, chickens and a cow (may have to pick up a horsebox for that, as I'm not sure cows like lorries).

3) Head to local petrol distribution centre and come away with a tanker-full. What's the point in filling up just a few cans?

4) Remove as many packets of seeds and fruit trees as possible from the local garden centre. Actually, add a horse to 2. The manure would be good for the garden. And ploughing. The horse that is, not the manure.

5) Visit Tesco in a very large vehicle (possibly the coal-man's lorry?) and remove lots of tinned food, honey and chocolate. Have absolutely no worries that the chocolate would last long enough to go out of date.

6) Add vast quantities of toothpaste and toothbrushes to 5 as am sure that tooth decay caused by chocolate would be even more unpleasant with no dentists.

7) Assume that neighbours are dead and remove their generator.

8) Acquire lifting lorry from local builders merchants and stock up on wood/bricks/roof tiles/ladders etc to help carry out future house repairs.

9) Make use of lifting mechanism on 8 and re-visit neighbours in 7 and remove their (full) oil tank.

10) Take large bag on trip down to Bond St and stock up on wares from Tiffany, Harry Winston & Asprey's. Because frankly who am I kidding? I wouldn't be much good at this self-sufficiency lark, so I might as well go out in style!
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 24, 2008, 10:44:32 pm
Hell, if that's all that's left I'll join you in the feast and maybe bring along some fat-lipped mockney tosspot hotpot.

The symmetry of feasting on delicious tasty chef is too divine - but shouldn't he be in a pukka pie?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Charlotte on November 24, 2008, 10:46:05 pm
Badoom-tish!

He's here all week, folks  :D
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andrewc on November 24, 2008, 10:56:09 pm
Watched this and have come to some decisions...

Should I survive the plague/'flu/assorted buggy type things then I'd:

1) Go straight to the local coal merchants, borrow the lorry and load up on coal and gas cylinders.

2) Locate and obtain a couple of goats, chickens and a cow (may have to pick up a horsebox for that, as I'm not sure cows like lorries).

3) Head to local petrol distribution centre and come away with a tanker-full. What's the point in filling up just a few cans?

4) Remove as many packets of seeds and fruit trees as possible from the local garden centre. Actually, add a horse to 2. The manure would be good for the garden. And ploughing. The horse that is, not the manure.

5) Visit Tesco in a very large vehicle (possibly the coal-man's lorry?) and remove lots of tinned food, honey and chocolate. Have absolutely no worries that the chocolate would last long enough to go out of date.

6) Add vast quantities of toothpaste and toothbrushes to 5 as am sure that tooth decay caused by chocolate would be even more unpleasant with no dentists.

7) Assume that neighbours are dead and remove their generator.

8) Acquire lifting lorry from local builders merchants and stock up on wood/bricks/roof tiles/ladders etc to help carry out future house repairs.

9) Make use of lifting mechanism on 8 and re-visit neighbours in 7 and remove their (full) oil tank.

10) Take large bag on trip down to Bond St and stock up on wares from Tiffany, Harry Winston & Asprey's. Because frankly who am I kidding? I wouldn't be much good at this self-sufficiency lark, so I might as well go out in style!

Ride down to Norfolk, make friends with Nutkin!  Sorted  ;D

I stocked up with 4 extra tins of M&S curry earlier,  just in case....
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Really Ancien on November 24, 2008, 11:03:33 pm
Not many people will want their driveways tarmacked though  ;)

I was thinking more of this sort of thing.
YouTube - Appleby Fair - The Golden Year - preview (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m39mmG2hLqM)

Damon.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 25, 2008, 10:03:29 pm
Eee, it gets better!

And I'm looking forward to the vengeful return of One-Legged Bob in the future!   ;D
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on November 25, 2008, 10:06:43 pm
I thought it was really boring; defintely focussing more on image than story a la Lost (which I also gave up on after 2 episodes), did they use most of the budget on the first episode?; having watched Threads again last night it annoys me even more as an implausible story; how come everything / everybody is so gleaming clean?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Deano on November 25, 2008, 10:07:02 pm
What jolly fun this is turning out to be :D

They don't half seem wasteful of petrol, though.  
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Deano on November 25, 2008, 10:08:39 pm
I thought it was really boring; defintely focussing more on image than story a la Lost; having watched Threads again last night it annoys me even more as an implausible story; how come everything / everybody is so gleaming clean?

There's a lot of mood-setting going on.  Tonight's show was very tense. 

By the teaser at the end of tonight's episode, it looks as though the next one will be more plot-heavy.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: border-rider on November 25, 2008, 10:10:42 pm
Max Beasley's is about the only character I feel any engagement with

I was a bit bored as well with this one.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andrewc on November 25, 2008, 10:13:00 pm
It's a condensed, speeded up version of the original, apart from the secret lab bit.

The Tom Price character is being developed a bit differently, I guess unloveable Welsh tramps are out of fashion..

Everyone is still clean shaven, with neat hair....  there are no feral dogs or plagues of rats & flies yet..
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on November 25, 2008, 10:18:14 pm
It was definitely a bit thin compared to the opening episode but I expected that. I'm hoping for a bit more depth next week.

I was disturbed by how quickly I could find myself thinking that the goodies would actually be better off killing the baddies now before they cause any more bother. It is called Survivors after all.

Nice to see a bicycle in this week's episode. Shame it had to get shot.  :(
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: annie on November 25, 2008, 10:27:12 pm
Watched this and have come to some decisions...

Should I survive the plague/'flu/assorted buggy type things then I'd:

1) Go straight to the local coal merchants, borrow the lorry and load up on coal and gas cylinders.

2) Locate and obtain a couple of goats, chickens and a cow (may have to pick up a horsebox for that, as I'm not sure cows like lorries).

3) Head to local petrol distribution centre and come away with a tanker-full. What's the point in filling up just a few cans?

4) Remove as many packets of seeds and fruit trees as possible from the local garden centre. Actually, add a horse to 2. The manure would be good for the garden. And ploughing. The horse that is, not the manure.

5) Visit Tesco in a very large vehicle (possibly the coal-man's lorry?) and remove lots of tinned food, honey and chocolate. Have absolutely no worries that the chocolate would last long enough to go out of date.

6) Add vast quantities of toothpaste and toothbrushes to 5 as am sure that tooth decay caused by chocolate would be even more unpleasant with no dentists.

7) Assume that neighbours are dead and remove their generator.

8) Acquire lifting lorry from local builders merchants and stock up on wood/bricks/roof tiles/ladders etc to help carry out future house repairs.

9) Make use of lifting mechanism on 8 and re-visit neighbours in 7 and remove their (full) oil tank.

10) Take large bag on trip down to Bond St and stock up on wares from Tiffany, Harry Winston & Asprey's. Because frankly who am I kidding? I wouldn't be much good at this self-sufficiency lark, so I might as well go out in style!

I can provide bags of dog hair for making duvets if you don't mind the smell.

If you don't mind navigating the river in the dark we could sneak over to the farm and relieve them of some of their supplies.  There is a large fold of Highland Cattle not 2 minutes from my back door, a big knife and a strong stomach should be all you need.  The beer fridge and freezer should come in to its own at this stage.

The leather could be used to make shoes although if you are into high fashion I really wouldn't waste your time.

Please don't eat Sammie and Jonnie though, they are quite comfortable in their tank and really aren't that tasty.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: alan on November 25, 2008, 10:38:53 pm


I was disturbed by how quickly I could find myself thinking that the goodies would actually be better off killing the baddies now before they cause any more bother.


Me too.Great minds think alike.
I do not subscribe to the "fools seldom differ" theory
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Tourist Tony on November 25, 2008, 10:45:28 pm
Hmmm. Not read all of this.
Has anyone mentioned the real issue yet?
Zombies?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Charlotte on November 25, 2008, 10:48:12 pm
Sadly no undead to be seen, Tony.  Probably a bit of luck, really.  Nothing more likely to spoil your enjoyment of a bit of carefree looting than the reanimated corpses of the general public, coming to eat your brains.

I'm quite liking Survivors, though.  Having said that, I can't help thinking they'd do well to hit the local police station or army barracks and see if they can't get tooled up a bit sharpish.

Other than that; I'd try and find myself a big old articulated lorry, and fill it right up with siphoned diesel from some other lorries.  Then I'd be looking to spend no more than a week loading it up with everything I'd need for a couple of years on a remote farm somewhere.  Food, water purification kit, clothes, tools, comms gear, medical supplies - that sort of thing.

Then I'd get the hell out of there and head for either Cornwall, Wales or Scotland.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 25, 2008, 10:50:34 pm
So: first order of business is a long shopping list, which is going to take a big meeting and therefore lots of tea.  Somebody send the kid out to loot for biscuits!  :)

I thought the bit with the kid and the playboy and the old geezer was genuinely horrible and tragic.  Yay chickens.  Boo gangrene!
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Hummers on November 25, 2008, 11:02:41 pm
When is it repeated again?

H
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on November 25, 2008, 11:05:26 pm
When is it repeated again?

H
now  ;)

BBC iPlayer - Survivors: Episode 2 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ftcqn)

I hate it even more after seeing the "previously" title  >:( if we are going to pay for the BBC through an enforced TV licence can we at least have programmes made for UK viewers?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Rhys W on November 25, 2008, 11:08:47 pm
I was on the edge of my seat with that one! Fantastic! Next week's episode looks even better.

The bit with the secret bunker reminded me of Lost before it went silly.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: gonzo on November 26, 2008, 11:10:38 am
Wind turbines next week will presumably offer something different to what would have been seen years ago?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: border-rider on November 26, 2008, 11:47:17 am
I hope they know how to use 11 kV  :)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on November 26, 2008, 11:52:25 am
I'm finding myself wondering what sort of time scale the series is progressing along. After two episodes, how long has it been since the outbreak? Days or weeks?

Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on November 26, 2008, 11:56:56 am
A few weeks I think.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Cunobelin on November 26, 2008, 12:47:09 pm
Slightly OT....

I was sent home yesterday with a bad cold (Man Flu) my nearest and dearest spent the whole evening asking about lumps under the arms, whether I was goingto survive long enough to watchthe programme and how she was going to spend the insurance!

Nice to know she cares!

Then I fell asleep and missed it!



Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: simonp on November 26, 2008, 11:28:08 pm
I have a lump under my RIGHT arm.

Should I be worried?  ::-)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: alan on November 27, 2008, 08:58:45 am
See your doctor unless the lump is your wallet
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: annie on November 27, 2008, 09:06:01 am
I have a lump under my RIGHT arm.

Should I be worried?  ::-)


Go to the docs. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Chris S on November 27, 2008, 10:48:11 pm
I don't like the new Survivors.

It took me a while to realise what it was. Then it dawned on me. In the original series, it was so raw, badly acted and basic, it felt "real" - almost like a documentary, like something that someone had shot with their own camera. It made it real and I was able to empathise, and was genuinely spooked by it.

The new one - it's Just another End of World film much like I am Legend. It's polished, glitzy and too, well unbelievable.

There were a couple of episodes in the original first series, that were shown to us at school; as part of our Sociology studies (what would now be PSE). One was the episode "Law and Order" where they executed someone.

Frankly, I can't see the current series being so ground breaking, and I probably won't bother with the rest - I've seen it all before... :(
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Flying_Monkey on November 28, 2008, 09:00:36 am
I think it's a bit early to tell whether it will take any risks yet. I hope given its post-9pm slot that it will. If is doesn't I will be disappointed. Anyway, for every 'Law and Order' there were at least two episodes of the original Survivors that were about planting vegetables!
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Really Ancien on November 28, 2008, 09:07:42 am
I think it's a bit early to tell whether it will take any risks yet. I hope given its post-9pm slot that it will. If is doesn't I will be disappointed. Anyway, for every 'Law and Order' there were at least two episodes of the original Survivors that were about planting vegetables!

Actually in a 'Survivors' society we would all squabble about who had memorised all the Trivial Pursuit questions and play a hell of a lot of Pictionary.

Damon.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andygates on November 28, 2008, 09:24:09 am
I think it's a bit early to tell whether it will take any risks yet. I hope given its post-9pm slot that it will. If is doesn't I will be disappointed. Anyway, for every 'Law and Order' there were at least two episodes of the original Survivors that were about planting vegetables!

I thought that yon vapid girly and Broke-Leg Bob had plenty of risk about it - I quite liked how we were initially lead to think that she was a strumpet and Bob an oaf, then that she was a victim and Bob a predator, and we're still not sure either way.  That sort of sexual trade is a quite real and squicky prospect in a PAW. 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Rhys W on November 28, 2008, 10:14:31 am
I think the whole sexual tension angle is very well done. There's always an undercurrent - the doctor-crim-playboy triangle, the undeniable allure of a leader (Abby). In a PAW, people will still want to shag each other, possibly even more than usual.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Flying_Monkey on November 28, 2008, 12:02:58 pm
I think it's a bit early to tell whether it will take any risks yet. I hope given its post-9pm slot that it will. If is doesn't I will be disappointed. Anyway, for every 'Law and Order' there were at least two episodes of the original Survivors that were about planting vegetables!

I thought that yon vapid girly and Broke-Leg Bob had plenty of risk about it - I quite liked how we were initially lead to think that she was a strumpet and Bob an oaf, then that she was a victim and Bob a predator, and we're still not sure either way.  That sort of sexual trade is a quite real and squicky prospect in a PAW. 

That's true - and I think it's worth bearing in mind that it would take a bit of time for all the enforced kinds of inhibitions to break down amongst adults or mutate into new forms... it's the kids I would be scared of. City of God anyone?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on December 02, 2008, 10:55:55 pm
It was much better this week
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Julian on December 02, 2008, 11:00:35 pm
I don't like the new Survivors.

It took me a while to realise what it was. Then it dawned on me. In the original series, it was so raw, badly acted and basic, it felt "real" - almost like a documentary, like something that someone had shot with their own camera. It made it real and I was able to empathise, and was genuinely spooked by it.

The new one - it's Just another End of World film much like I am Legend. It's polished, glitzy and too, well unbelievable.

There were a couple of episodes in the original first series, that were shown to us at school; as part of our Sociology studies (what would now be PSE). One was the episode "Law and Order" where they executed someone.

Frankly, I can't see the current series being so ground breaking, and I probably won't bother with the rest - I've seen it all before... :(

I think we've just had the "Law and Order" episode, so the current series probably is as groundbreaking.  :)

I didn't see the original, but I'm being quite adequately spooked by the current one. 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on December 02, 2008, 11:03:56 pm
I'm enjoying it but I'm missing the 'survival' bit. As has been said, nobody amongst the central group seems to be thinking about defence, food, water, power etc. I wouldn't want that side of it to be neglected completely at the expense of the human relations side. I'm sure it will come in future episode.

I enjoyed the trial, I wonder how long it would be before courts, crime, sentences etc. would emerge.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: bikenerd on December 02, 2008, 11:10:32 pm
Does anyone know where the main location was this week, with Abby and the ex-minister?  Some sort of alternative energy centre?
And does anyone know what the aerial shot of the "secret facility" is actually of?  The place where they're cooking up the vaccine.

We're enjoying it muchly.  Some good TV on at the moment such as the Devil's Whore over on Channel 4.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on December 02, 2008, 11:12:26 pm
Does anyone know where the main location was this week, with Abby and the ex-minister?  Some sort of alternative energy centre?

probably the CAT; went there about 15 years ago; seems a lot bigger now

Centre for Alternative Technology Home Page (http://www.cat.org.uk/index.tmpl?refer=index&init=1)

although it might just be the Coed y Brenin visitor centre
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on December 02, 2008, 11:14:03 pm
Unless they have completely rebuilt it I don't think it was CAT. There are other ecology type places these days, it might have been one of them.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on December 02, 2008, 11:15:43 pm
maybe; this is a BBC Manchester production (ish) so round those parts?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on December 02, 2008, 11:19:53 pm
Of course it could have been a composite of many sites, the main refectory type room could have been anywhere but the amphitheatre wasn't anything I recognised from CAT. I am ashamed to admit that I never thought of the obvious survival ploy of making for a ready made eco site. Having said that, there might be a bit of hostile competition for such ready made infrastructures.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Charlotte on December 03, 2008, 08:22:25 am
I think my plans under such circumstances would very much depend on exactly what sort of percentage of people had survived the virus.  ISTR the scientists in the SEEKRIT BUNKER talking about "less than 1%" but that's still 600,000 people.  Way too many for me to be considering anything other than making for a very remote, very secure location for a few years.

Given that the survivor attrition rate would be monumentally high in the first six months, I'd be comfortable traveling about a bit after a couple of years (if I made it).  Shame that by that stage, most of the good stuff would be looted, burned and otherwise spoiled.

This series is quite good, but I'd like to see more emphasis on the practical problems that they're starting to face (lack of water, electricity and fresh food).  The storyline is concentrating almost completely on the human and emotional struggle, leaving the practical to one side.

Having said that, I suppose it doesn't make as good telly.  It's like I'm a nonentity, in as much as nobody cares what they're going through sleeping out inna wet jungle.  They're more interested in whether the model with the big tits is going to snog the vacuous ex-boy band member...

::-)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: toekneep on December 03, 2008, 08:29:21 am
I would like to see a bit more realism as well. The ex minister in her pressed white trouser suit and perfectly groomed hair looked a bit ridiculous. Even more silly is the state of those who have no electricity, how exactly are they managing to iron their clothes every day?

Having said that, I can't wait for the next episode.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Chris S on December 03, 2008, 09:43:09 am
I would like to see a bit more realism as well. The ex minister in her pressed white trouser suit and perfectly groomed hair looked a bit ridiculous. Even more silly is the state of those who have no electricity, how exactly are they managing to iron their clothes every day?

Having said that, I can't wait for the next episode.

Oddly enough, that was one of the criticisms of the original series, at the time - the fact that the cast all looked rather well kept.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Flying_Monkey on December 03, 2008, 09:54:27 am
It's still only been a few days... they aren't all going to be dressing in animal skins just yet. There's still plenty of soap, water and clean clothes around. The first winter (which they appear to be just coming to) would change things a bit. Remember this is a virus, not a nuclear apocalypse. Pretty much everything is (initially) intact apart from the people...
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andyoxon on December 03, 2008, 02:05:16 pm
I might have another look.  I just thought it seemed very derivative because I must have seen at least 2 or 3 films of viral wipe-out, with the obligatory empty motorway and street views.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: pcolbeck on December 03, 2008, 02:10:42 pm
It's good fun. Mind you I agree that they should be armed by now. I would be. In a society without police or an army you would need to be. A nice armoured car would be useful for trips to the shop as well.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Jaded on December 10, 2008, 08:34:47 am
In fact, just getting Mr and Mrs Joe Average to consider what they'd do in a civil emergency is a brilliant thing.  Most people are utterly unprepared for even the most benign of events.  By the time you've got a Kerry Katona level scenario...

Yuk! Everyone pissed on sherry and eating blue coloured Iceland food.  :sick:
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: jellied on December 23, 2008, 10:53:21 pm
Is that it? When is series 2 out?

I am glad I watched and my youngest is utterly hooked.

But a little to sanitised for my liking, even the cars are sparkling.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on December 24, 2008, 11:10:29 pm
Is that it?

Is it  ???

Just watched the latest episode on iPlayer... good tension at times. I'm enjoying the series although it is not addressing the practicalities at all.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on December 24, 2008, 11:17:42 pm
Is that it? When is series 2 out?

that's what I thought

(BTW to answer your 2nd question, next year, apparently the original went to 38 episodes but I don't remember more than the 1st 6)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: peanut on December 25, 2008, 10:53:03 am
38 episodes crikey  :o

Its about time they managed to get hold of some weapons. With so many threats that they were facing there is no way you'd go out foraging without some sort of defence .
When does the next series start then ?
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Andrij on December 30, 2008, 11:00:35 pm
I've finally caught up - missed last two episodes while on holiday.

Only six episodes?  And we wait until next year for more?!? Ridiculous  Only in Britain...  ::-)

Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Flying_Monkey on December 31, 2008, 10:38:12 am
Only six episodes?  And we wait until next year for more?!? Ridiculous  Only in Britain...  ::-)

It's because the TV companies won't commit to something unless they have some idea that it will be popular enough... TV for the age of the focus group.

Mind you, I am not sure if the US approach is better. 20-episode stories which have no convincing story arc at all and just flounder about or pad things out until the climax (e.g.: Lost, Heroes). Oh, and then just cancel it mid-season if not enough people like it.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Tourist Tony on January 08, 2009, 01:36:18 am
As usual I spend half the time watching this mentally screaming "Why are you being so STUPID??????"
They have all seen any number of PAW films. They know it isn't going to be fluffy Quakerdom. And yet, they all keep doing such stupid, stupid things, like the idiot boy running off to the Big City.
They all deserve to die messily.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: andrewc on January 08, 2009, 05:46:26 pm
I gave up after episode 4.   If you've not seen it before, treat yourself to series 1 of the original production. Far superior IMHO.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Regulator on January 12, 2010, 08:22:02 pm
Heads up boys and girls!

The new series (or part 2) of Survivors starts tonight at 9.00 p.m. on BBC1. 
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: border-rider on January 12, 2010, 09:52:38 pm
9 1/2 minutes until deep tedium set in.
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: jogler on January 12, 2010, 10:02:16 pm
Two weeks 'till the next episode :(
& crap like Corrie,Eastenders,Emmerdale et al are on several times a week >:(
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on January 27, 2010, 10:38:33 am
watched it last night; apart from the medical background of whoever she is I don't recall much similarity to the original series

I see the "government" are back next week

who else wants to see the nasty pharmaceutical company all die horribly? (apart from the mum and kid of course?)
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Rhys W on January 27, 2010, 12:40:55 pm
My, hasn't Julie Graham got a sturdy pair of legs  :P
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on February 17, 2010, 07:45:43 pm
definitely a top notch drama from the Beeb and eagerly awaiting series3; last night's episode was very sad and a lot more believable (apart from the "just from the salon" look they all still have after however many months with zero utilities)

can I BA to get the original 1975 series from the library? the clips I've seen on youtube look pretty dated
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: ludwig on February 18, 2010, 06:34:48 am
By coincidence I was thrilled to find the 70's original in the library just before the remake appeared. I watched it with the kids in a "this is the tv that daddy watched when he was your age" kind of way. Eldest daughter then requested the second seriesr for her birthday which I tracked down at great expense. There was a third series but I seem to remember loosing interest as a child once greg disappeared in a balloon. He left the series on account of the fact that he was more interested in the action/ adventure/blokes with shotguns in landrovers sort of approach. We were amazed when the remake then started to be advertised. The kids loved the remake at first but god it's frantic. The kids usually send a text as soon as they have seen each episode but now they are just hoping that there is a break from the fighting and guns and that they all have a chance to settle down. The last text said "I hate it". They didn't want the girl to die. I believe that the book had peter killing Abby in the end
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: Martin on December 20, 2010, 04:04:52 pm
definitely a top notch drama from the Beeb and eagerly awaiting series3

or not; still no plans for this (apparently it did not attract as many viewers as series 1 and people were watching ITV instead)

I finally caught up with The Last Train a very similar ITV 6 parter from 1999 (on Veoh); in hindsight the latest Survivors borrowed heavily from it as well as the Terry Nation original
Title: Re: Survivors remake
Post by: vorsprung on December 21, 2010, 02:47:23 pm
The Last Train a very similar ITV

I saw the first episode of "the last train".  In fact I think I watched half of the second one too
It was poor