did you see the paralympic chap at the worlds with a carbon fiber leg :o
I am wearing a lot of my old jeans from 10 years ago. This is such a nice feeling - to actually fit your clothes rather than rely upon popping the top button or the clothes stretching to accommodate you.
I am really proud of myself so far.
I have resettled at 11st after a brief excursion over that at the depths of winter. Last summer I was 10'10 for the duration. I am Against dieting & suchlike but am hoping that a bit more audaxing & perhaps a smidgen less of the biscuit consumption will see me back down the few pounds. Hm.
It appears I have not got the hang of this loss lark. :-[
The weight is increasing in nicely controlled small amounts ::-)
The time is approaching for action,perhaps I should
ride my bike
miss out the vanilla slices,doughnuts bread,Grolsch et al :hand:
Today another milestone!!!
I am now 16 stone (and some pounds) I'm quite chuffed! :) Especially as I am now lighter than Wowbagger!! ;D ;D
Another one who does not seem to have got the right idea as it is another week of gaining weight. :-[ :-[ :-[
Geoff
Except that this morning I applied the measuring tape, & discovered that I am pretty much bang on what I measured in the middle of last summer when I was 10'10. Maybe I have actually put on muscle rather than fat. I woke Pete up (damn these working from home types who get a lie in) to tell him this ....
I am not recording my weight in the other thread but I'd like to say I lost 3kg last week by eating less between meals and riding more miles. Weight now 82kg. I didn't start weighing myself until last week, I was heavier while I was immobile, I will not weigh myself every week so long as I feel I am doing OK, I do not want to get obsessed with the numbers. My health check said I wasn't overweight anyway. My strength is good atm too so once I get down to my 'fighting' weight I'll be flying.
I actually saw 18 st 0 lbs on the scales just after Christmas, and 16 st 13 lbs just once in April. I'm now back up at 17st 6 lbs.That is an almost exact description of my condition, although it's rather longer since I weighed less than 15 stone. That would have been in the late 1980s when I was introduced to badminton and played quite a bit.
I've cycled 2,200 miles since 1st January.
In the last ten years, my weight has ranged from 19 st 3 lbs to 14 st 10 lbs.
It is really depressing to be so heavy. I've been fighting my weight for thirty years.
I'm not stupid, I know what to eat and what to avoid. But I don't have the willpower to keep a sensible diet going for more than two weeks, let alone two years. I eat too much, and I can't seem to stop.
Bollocks.
I actually saw 18 st 0 lbs on the scales just after Christmas, and 16 st 13 lbs just once in April. I'm now back up at 17st 6 lbs.That is an almost exact description of my condition, although it's rather longer since I weighed less than 15 stone. That would have been in the late 1980s when I was introduced to badminton and played quite a bit.
I've cycled 2,200 miles since 1st January.
In the last ten years, my weight has ranged from 19 st 3 lbs to 14 st 10 lbs.
It is really depressing to be so heavy. I've been fighting my weight for thirty years.
I'm not stupid, I know what to eat and what to avoid. But I don't have the willpower to keep a sensible diet going for more than two weeks, let alone two years. I eat too much, and I can't seem to stop.
Bollocks.
Yes, I love food. There's little I don't like, but salads are fairly high on the list of stuff that I cannot be bothered with.
I enjoy a good breakfast cereal, but always include the full cooked option when staying away. When we were doing LEJOG last year, I think it was our second B & B which offered smoked salmon and scrambled eggs. I was so enthusiastic that the landlady produced a portion for Mrs. Wow as well - but she doesn't like smoked salmon. Guess where hers went? I spent the first 20 miles or so feeling slightly queasy after that.
Roast dinners? Magnificent. Curry? Suberb. Italian? Marvellous! Chinese? Terrific. Then give me suet pudding and syrup. Or just as a snack, good home-made bread with even better home-made Seville orange marmalade.
Oh I don't mind apple pie & custard either.
Eeek FatBloke weighs less than me and he's about 3x my height :SWear platform shoes and a top-hat
...weigh in is like being surrounded by a crowd of supportive mother hens! ;D
That's 6 kg down from January. This is despite regular gym attendance, plenty of protein, and noticeably (well, to me anyway) bigger legs. Mainly from simply being a little more conscious of what I eat, portion control, and spending a bit more time hungry.
but mostly I think it's down to having broken my brownie habit.
I've lost 15½lbs in 4 weeks with WeightWatchers. :thumbsup:
...weigh in is like being surrounded by a crowd of supportive mother hens! ;D
I can just imagine it ;D
86 kg for me today :)
That's 6 kg down from January. This is despite regular gym attendance, plenty of protein, and noticeably (well, to me anyway) bigger legs. Mainly from simply being a little more conscious of what I eat, portion control, and spending a bit more time hungry.
All rather pointless until I give up smoking though :-[
I weighed in at the Hospital yesterday, two weeks after the last one, and have lost 5lbs. Down to 20st 1lb!
I've lost a kilo :o I was not expecting that.
;D
As I keep saying to Marj..I don't like being force-fed either ;)
What are you lot having for brekky?
What are you lot having for brekky?Nothing
The ideal is that any food you eat for breakfast will get burnt off in the day in exercise
If you eat a lot at night then it will get converted to fat overnight
71.5kg - I haven't put back on much of the Dolgellau Bellau weightloss.
The ideal is that any food you eat for breakfast will get burnt off in the day in exercise
If you eat a lot at night then it will get converted to fat overnight
I have a bad habit of eating my evening meal far too late. It's a difficult one to get out of, I'm finding.71.5kg - I haven't put back on much of the Dolgellau Bellau weightloss.
Remind me, why are you on this thread? ;) Are you some kind of anorexia fetishist?
I've now lost 21½ lbs - only another 1½ stone to go.
I've now lost 21½ lbs - only another 1½ stone to go.
Bloody good going Greg :thumbsup:
Yay - despite my bad behaviour at York, I'm still down another 1lb this week :thumbsup:
I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week... O:-)
What's a healthy ammount of weight to loose per month? In two months I've lost 11kg or about 1.5stones in old money.
I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week... O:-)
I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week... O:-)
We'll see about that... :demon: Seriously tho, you are doing very well indeed.
No Annie, you bring that chocolate. Cycling, swimming, running...is there a triathlon on this weekend I didn't know about ;D
I am 72.2kg.
But that's ok cos it seems body fat is down.
I agree, you are riding very well. Imagine how much better it would be if you could kick the smokes too !!
I lost another 3kg since last weighed myself, down to 79 now. Due entirely to more exercise. Another 10 loss and I will be flying
... and wondered if a bit of lipo might not be the answer.Depends - what's the question?
After the excesses of this weekend, I am dreading my weigh-in on Wednesday. I blame Annie and her chocolate bananananananananas! >:(
Annie, you are one who definitely doesn't need to lose weight. :)I lost another 3kg since last weighed myself, down to 79 now. Due entirely to more exercise. Another 10 loss and I will be flying
Well done Martin, that's great news, keep up the good work.
I won't be weighing myself after this weekend :-\ Lots of chocolatey goodness consumed and BBQ nanananas :P
Scales. So it's possible water is just up. :)
I certainly do have less fat on me than at the start of the year. When I first got 'em around when I started Audax it was claiming around 19% consistently, now it's around 15-16%.
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!
Not forgetting lemon meringue pie, after only six and a half miles....
Tis true, just the seventeen sugars in your tea....
Bah! Only 1/2lb loss this week. I blame the food and booze at the weekend. :(
Never mind - I'll do better this week.
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!
But.. but... but.... I didn't have any of the chocolately creamy maltesery bananas - I only prepared them.
It's all Annies fault you know. She tempted us all with sweet treats. ;)
4½ lbs off this week!
This means I've lost 27½lbs in 8 weeks!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I'm going to have abottleglass of wine to celebrate tonight.
Wish I could have lost that other ½lb to make it a round 2 stone.
4½ lbs off this week!
This means I've lost 27½lbs in 8 weeks!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I'm going to have abottleglass of wine to celebrate tonight.
Wish I could have lost that other ½lb to make it a round 2 stone.
What was your starting weight, Reg?
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...
What was your starting weight, Reg?
Starting weight: 18st 4lb.
Current weight: 16st 4½lb
Target weight: 14st 7lb
What is going on with the weights table? I am unable to enter a weight without the layout going tits up.
What is going on with the weights table? I am unable to enter a weight without the layout going tits up.
Looks like user error to me. :)
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...
I should be able to get back into my kilts by Christmas! :thumbsup:
Watch out the YACF Christmaspiss upparty!
I'm going to have abottleglass of wine to celebrate tonight.
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...
I should be able to get back into my kilts by Christmas! :thumbsup:
Watch out the YACF Christmaspiss upparty!
Kilts aren't just for Christmas you know. ::-)
UTILIKILTS : American Made Utility Kilts for Everyday Wear (http://www.utilikilts.com/)
My weight seems to be stable now. Well, it goes up by 2kg the day after a 600 and then is back to where it was 2 days later. Water in the muscles?
My weight seems to be stable now. Well, it goes up by 2kg the day after a 600 and then is back to where it was 2 days later. Water in the muscles?
It'll be molecules of bicycle. Ask Sergeant Pluck.
Buggrit.... only ½lb off this week. I'll have to up my exercise.
But at least it wasn't weight on... :)
Bog standard Curry/Poppadoms/Rice/Naan and 4 or 5 pint night out. 3500kcal.
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you going.
You made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)
Bog standard Curry/Poppadoms/Rice/Naan and 4 or 5 pint night out. 3500kcal.
+1
Not done that for almost 10 years.
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you going.
They can, if you keep the pace down. As Greenbank said, the key is to go slow enough to run on the fat reserves (mostly) and not glycogen. It takes a bit of build-up, but it is possible to ride 200 k on no food.QuoteYou made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)
Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow. A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet. Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking - and stuffing your face when you finish.
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you going.QuoteYou made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)
Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow. A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet. Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking - and stuffing your face when you finish.
*snap* :)
Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow. A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet. Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking - and stuffing your face when you finish.
I'm a fat, fat, fat b*st%rd this week.
Jeez. I like this stuff (mixed dried bananas, pineapple, mango etc) but I noted from the pack last night that if I ate a bag of it (150 g) that would be knocking on for 1700 calories.
There's definitely been movement in the wrong direction. I'm not going to weight myself this week but I'd guess I have put a kilo or two on.
I am finding, again, that going to the gym, even if it only once a week, seems to bump my weight up. But as well as that I feel a bit fat.
Things That have a Lot More Calories than you'd Think:
Dried fruit.
Jeez. I like this stuff (mixed dried bananas, pineapple, mango etc) but I noted from the pack last night that if I ate a bag of it (150 g) that would be knocking on for 1700 calories. And as it's a bit more-ish I could eat a whole bag of it quite happily. Produces bonus spectacular logs too... :P
Are you sure about that? 150g of refined sugar would only be 600 kcal.
Maybe KJ/Kcal confusion?
Also, dried fruit makes your blood sugar swing more wildly than does fresh fruit.
1) You would have less glycogen depletion as the more efficient fat metabolism allows you to get more calories from fat than the average person.
2) Post-exercise the body is able to replace more blood energy stores from fat metabolism.
"Anaerobic exercise in the form of high-intensity interval training was also found in one study to result in greater loss of subcutaneous fat, even though the subjects expended fewer than half as many calories during exercise.[2]"
I've found a couple of HIIT sessions a week has a more noticeable effect on my blubberiness than a regular diet ofdoughnutsaudax rides.
As exercise intensities increased above 40% VO2max, fat-oxidation rates gradually increased too, reaching a maximum of 0.6 grams per minute at an average intensity of 64% VO2max. There was an incredible range in this Fatmax intensity, however, with some individuals reaching Fatmax at 42% VO2max, and others not hitting it until they soared to 84% VO2max! Fatmax corresponded with an average heart rate of 74% of maximum, but again there was considerable variation, with some athletes attaining Fatmax at 54% of max heart rate and others not reaching it until 92% of max.
The Fatmax zone was located between 55 and 72% VO2max, or between 68 and 79% of max heart rate. As indicated above, rates of fat burning dropped precipitously once athletes moved above the Fatmax zone. In fact, fat oxidation dropped to zero above an average of 89% VO2max (just below the intensity of a 10k road race or a 40k bike race). Again, there was wide variation between individuals, however, with some athletes burning no fat once they had reached 71% VO2max (84% of max heart rate) and others continuing to burn it until they reached an amazing 99% VO2max (98% of max heart rate)!
Interval sessions will always use SOME fat, as you spend SOME time at low intensities. And us non-elite athletes will tend to spend less %age time at the highest intensities, in general.
1) You would have less glycogen depletion as the more efficient fat metabolism allows you to get more calories from fat than the average person.
That must be a fairly minor effect though - even with a well-trained fat metabolism glycogen-burning dominates massively once you go to high intensities.
MAYBE those with a WTFM will feel less hungry in the period after a workout (they're able to function better in a glycogen-depleted state e.g. when TTing for 60 miles without food after vomiting. Say.)Quote2) Post-exercise the body is able to replace more blood energy stores from fat metabolism.
Is it ?
Very interesting...
454g at 0.6g/min =~ 12 and a half hours
So a non-stressful 200km Audax with no food and you can drop a lb.
I managed a similar weight loss yesterday whilst simply lying on my back. Not exactly sustainable though...
I managed a similar weight loss yesterday whilst simply lying on my back. Not exactly sustainable though...
Unless Mrs Chris was involved, that's an awful lot of masturbating.
3.5 pounds off this week. In eight weeks I have lost 1.5 stone, a long way to go yet though.
I just hope my holiday in Jersey next week doesn't mess it all up :-\
3.5 pounds off this week. In eight weeks I have lost 1.5 stone, a long way to go yet though.
I just hope my holiday in Jersey next week doesn't mess it all up :-\
HellsBells :o
I've lost a whole kilo ;D
Perhaps I should do a night ride to Skeggy every Saturday :-\
Oh well, by some miracle I seem to have got away with it. Weight exactly the same as pre- holiday. Lower back still dodgy though.
Up from 97.2 to 98.2 this week, dunno how as I have eaten like a anorexic stick insect this week :(
Up from 97.2 to 98.2 this week, dunno how as I have eaten like a anorexic stick insect this week :(
It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops. I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.
I wish I knew how this can be counteracted. I desperately need to lose another half stone but correct eating won't work. If I eat a crumb of food I shouldn't weight goes on. Exercise does not work as I can do a 40 mile cycle followed by a 4 mile walk without eating anything wrong and, if anything, weight goes on. The adage eat less and exercise more does not work for those of us with apparently non-existent metabolism. Maybe someone has pearls of wisdom on this problem.
My weight seems to have stabilised at 75kg which is just fine
It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops. I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.
I wish I knew how this can be counteracted. I desperately need to lose another half stone but correct eating won't work. If I eat a crumb of food I shouldn't weight goes on. Exercise does not work as I can do a 40 mile cycle followed by a 4 mile walk without eating anything wrong and, if anything, weight goes on. The adage eat less and exercise more does not work for those of us with apparently non-existent metabolism. Maybe someone has pearls of wisdom on this problem.
I'm aiming for 100kg by the end of September which will be my lightest for about five years. 3 down, 3 to go...
I'm aiming for 100kg by the end of September which will be my lightest for about five years. 3 down, 3 to go...
How tall are you, Mike? I find it incredible that someone who looks as fit as you do, and can cycle 85 miles in 4h 30m, weighs about the same as I do.
84.1 kg. That's seems about right to me
Weight now going back down, at last! Found two problems:That will all those calories you burn stepping on and off the scales. ;D
1) eating too many sweets
2) scales need "calibrating" after moving, so sometimes they say I am >100Kg, then if I step off and back on again they say 97.2! Stupid modern tech :)
Back on the straight and narrow ('cept next Wednesday I shall be in Stoke).
Back on the straight and narrow ('cept next Wednesday I shall be in Stoke).
That usually acts as a pretty good emetic
As part of a holiday job I once spent a morning delivering Vimto to corner shops in Stoke. In the rain.
Blimey, this thread has died a death, is everyone resigned to bloaterhood?
I suppose that now I've lost three and a half stone
I GIVE UP ::-)
Marj has started making the Xmas cake & puddings today.
My mother is doing millions of mince pies.
There is no way of avoiding an increase in mass from now untill approx Jan 14th 2009.
Here endeth the failed experiment in weight control :(
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There is no way of avoiding an increase in mass from now untill approx Jan 14th 2009.I try to avoid weight gain until Xmas Eve. It's ludicrous to try over the festive season proper, but if you can minimise the damage from the December 'build-up' period, you'll feel a lot better in Mid-January :)
Here endeth the failed experiment in weight control :(
plus I've been going to the gym pretty regularly which seems to put my weight up.
Naah. Doesn't work like that. You can't convert fat to muscle. You burn the fat, & quite separately, build up muscle.plus I've been going to the gym pretty regularly which seems to put my weight up.
If you are converting fat to muscle your weight will increase.Muscle is heavier than fat.
BTW, in order to gain weight while doing this, you have to increase your food consumption significantly
, you have to increase your food consumption significantly.
I suppose that 2008 can be described as a success in that I am 500 grammes lighter than I was a year ago.
Chat/discussion/encouragement in this thread.
Weight reports: HERE (http://www.anothercyclingforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13.0)
Graphs, etc to come.
I am now 6kg heavier than I was a year ago :-[. I need to make a number of changes to routines & mental attitude to even think about trying again.
Having said that I know full well that I cannot avoid some sort of attempt to at least get rid of the 2008 lard gain.
Too much in, not enough out.
I just need to shift about 7lbs,
I just need to shift about 7lbs,
From where?! :o ???
There ain't that much of you...
Chat/discussion/encouragement in this thread.
Weight reports: HERE (http://www.anothercyclingforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13.0)
Graphs, etc to come.
are we going to do a 2009 one ?
Anyone else having trouble with the formatting on their Weight Table in the Weight Reports thread?
Even if I don't change anything, just Click "Modify Message" and then hit Preview, the formatting is all to hell :(
Anyone else having trouble with the formatting on their Weight Table in the Weight Reports thread?
Even if I don't change anything, just Click "Modify Message" and then hit Preview, the formatting is all to hell :(
Yep. I had to delete my post and then past again into another post. No idea where to post my weight so pm'd Greenbank. Thought I was just a numpty.
The format problem only occurs in preview.
Had to remove my post, completely messed it up, again.It looks to me like it should be entered after the colon.
Where exactly amongst all the code do I enter the weight?
January__ | February__ | March_____ | April_____ | May_______ | June_______ |
7th:99KG |
Had to remove my post, completely messed it up, again.It looks to me like it should be entered after the colon.
Where exactly amongst all the code do I enter the weight?
January__ February__ March_____ April_____ May_______ June_______ 7th:99KG
Aim: to get down to 100kg
Aim2: 95kg
Start point: 102.2kg
Aim: to get down to 100kg
Aim2: 95kg
Start point: 102.2kg
Thank God for Clarion.
Everyone else's starting weight is about 2 stone less than my target weight
Edit: The one thing missing ... is any mention of alcohol. To my mind, and I think this has been discussed here already, booze is incompatible with fat loss for a number of reasons. If, as I seem to, you have an "issue" with moderation when it comes to booze, it's probably best avoided completely whilst you are in a fat loss phase.
Edit: The one thing missing ... is any mention of alcohol. To my mind, and I think this has been discussed here already, booze is incompatible with fat loss for a number of reasons. If, as I seem to, you have an "issue" with moderation when it comes to booze, it's probably best avoided completely whilst you are in a fat loss phase.
Or, if you are like me and know there are circumstances where you are going to either drink, or be so miserable that you won't want to be here if you don't have one, plan the booze in.
Weighed myself at the gym then compared it again to the office scales - the later added 5kg to my weight!
I went to WeightWatchers this week. I've put back on nearly all the weight I lost earlier in the year. :-[:( so you'll not be meeting me for a pint in Feb then ? I'll buy you an OJ !!
So it's back on the straight and narrow for me - which means off the booze as well.
Thank God for Clarion.
Everyone else's starting weight is about 2 stone less than my target weight
I am not too worried about my weight on a week to week basis. I shall look more towards a monthly figure. I was three pounds heavier after my ride on Sunday but that had all but gone today.
Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.
I am not too worried about my weight on a week to week basis. I shall look more towards a monthly figure. I was three pounds heavier after my ride on Sunday but that had all but gone today.
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake
I gave up the idea of trying to lose weight during any season of active cycling.
Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.
I doubt it was just the turbo, you would need to do about 24 hours at 200-250 Watts to burn 3.5 lbs of fat.
[/quotLost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.
I doubt it was just the turbo, you would need to do about 24 hours at 200-250 Watts to burn 3.5 lbs of fat.
How utterly depressing! I guess the diminishing quantity of calorific Christmas goodies stiil about the house must have something to do with it then.
I just have to finish off some lovely vegan choccies then I should be back on the straight and narrow. O:-)
Clearly, people vary! Inc, your question implies you are finding a drop in performance?
I'm aiming to lose 27 kg by december to get down :o to 100kg. That's a lb a week, or 500 calories shortfall a day.
Note to self. Get back on the bike, and stop eating pies :thumbsup:
1Lb a week is perfectly sensible on both the healthy weightloss AND achievability fronts.
It's what I use (every year unfortunately).
Oh - and pleeeeeeeease can the record thread be a sticky?
EDIT: Crikey that was fast! Thank you :thumbsup:
I've been off fatfighters (i.e. Weightwatchers) for 6 months now and was at my parents house last week, I got on the scales for the first time in months and was shocked to discover that I have maintained the same weight! For most of my life I have struggled with my weight, and was inclined to believe that I would follow my Mum in doing lots of diets and yo-yo dieting. I don't think I have cracked it but I do believe that this regular cycling malarkey (plus portion control), especially cycling continuously through the year is an incredible help at keeping the weight down.
Congratulations! :)
I have somehow managed to put on 3 lbs this week.... >:(
Although I'm guilty of scales watching too, weight is actually a rather poor measure of progress.
Most people's weight bounces around all over the place, and only exhibits a trend over a long span of time - say, 6 months.
I use the 'cold bed' technique ... This technique is more effective for single people.
I measure BF% with a Tanita scale.I have some of these scales but I've lost the instructions on how to set them up to give the body fat percentage - can you let me know the routine?
I measure BF% with a Tanita scale.I have some of these scales but I've lost the instructions on how to set them up to give the body fat percentage - can you let me know the routine?
As well as weight, as tracked on the Weight loss thread, I'm also measuring BF% and waist measurement.
I measure BF% with a Tanita scale. TBH I didn't expect anything much - there are some who know a lot about them here who don't rate them as body composition devices. But what the hell - they're in the bedroom, I may as well use them. Here are the measurements so far:
Jan 1 22.5
21.5
21.4
21.2
20.5
Feb 4 19.9
So - whether you believe the absolute figure or not (if you look at me - about 20% doesn't seem unreasonable) there is a definite downward trend, born out (just about) by the weight trend and also by my waist measurements (in cm):
Jan 1: 96
95
95
94
94
Feb 4: 93
So, I'm encouraged by this - which helps to spur me on. It really looks like I'm losing fat rather than muscle (which I'm really trying hard to keep) and some of it at least is coming from my belly - which it needs to!
Well done, David. Being of a similar build to me, I imagine you find it hard to shift the excess, but you're somewhat lighter than me.
I'm back to where I was a month ago. So that has to be progress. Getting back on the bike (albeit not full commuting) has certainly helped.
But there's a long way to go. I need to lose another 2kg before I get to the magic 100kg mark. I'll be happy to get through that.
I do comfort eat when stressed, and things are difficult just now.
I've reached my danger stage.
Having lost about 7 pounds, I am now stalled again - this is the point at which I often give up - where as what I need to do is push it just that bit further.
Annoyingly I saw 13:8 on the scales at the weekend - 3lb lighter than now - but I think I was dehydrated after a 20mile ride and no fluids.
Annoyingly I saw 13:8 on the scales at the weekend - 3lb lighter than now
I do comfort eat when stressed, and things are difficult just now.
A comfort mug of coffee or tea is far better than comfort chocolate eclairs, at least in the long run.
..d
Down 2kg from last week although it's almost certainly due to dehydration (well, more than normal) as I didn't drink much water when playing football last night and sweated like 10 sweating things.
... I had a bowel but forgot to weigh it. ...
Having a calorie counter on the bike doesn't help. For example, I was burning 46 calories per mile at one stage last night. My average I think was 40 calories per mile.
The data is coming from my Polar CS400. It measures the cadence, speed, gradient against my heart rate. It knows my age and weight. It also looks at heart beats and the gaps between them and my recovery rate. It does seem all rather clever. Perhaps cleverer than yours?
More exercise & less food seems to reduce one's weight slightly :)so are you going in the right direction alan ? :thumbsup:
I think the key for me is getting a decent ride every day. And the discipline of adding the last bit to make 40km each day seems to help.
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym.
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym.
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym.
Sessions at certain times with people you know. You go along as much for the banter as the exercise..
Discipline is only needed if you don't want to do it.
..d
:-* :-* :-*Will you two just get a room please ? ;D
And beautiful you look on it :)
Whoops. Forgot to weigh myself this morning.;D I'm that will help!! You've got an entire week to balance it out now. :D I stayed the same this week. Too much bread and cheese and mars bars, I think.
I guess I was too busy eating an entire easter egg. :-[
Had hoped to be under 100kgs for the Dorset Coast.
Had hoped to be under 100kgs for the Dorset Coast.
You'll still be faster than me... ;)
Putting muscle on, Alan?
in the 4 weeks I've been off the beer, I've lost 4 kilos. Damn, that's depressing.
Indeed, I to am very depressed by this news. Power output not dropped I take it?
::-)
Indeed, I to am very depressed by this news. Power output not dropped I take it?
::-)
quite the opposite in fact, old boy.... How is the knee? Fancy a hilly training session yet?
;D
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years). Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point. Just need to keep riding and being sensible...
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread, but:
first interval:
Max power 256W, average 213W.
second interval:
Max power 263W, average 203W.
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years). Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point. Just need to keep riding and being sensible...Hurrah! Well done :-*.
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread,
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread,
Ooh, what trainer/power meter is that?
78.7kg today. I is happy.
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread, but:
first interval:
Max power 256W, average 213W.
second interval:
Max power 263W, average 203W.
congrats on getting through it intact!! how was the knee after?
(just done a quick power to weight calc., I recon I'm now slightly ahead :))
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years). Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point. Just need to keep riding and being sensible...
Trainer is, iirc, Elite Crono Fluid Elastogel Turbo Trainer, power meter is PowerTap Pro, software used to display results was Cycling Peaks WKO+.
99.9 this morning!!!Cool! well done :D.
Down from 107ish at new year and the first time in 6 years I've been under 100kgs. Chuffed.
99.9 this morning!!!
Down from 107ish at new year and the first time in 6 years I've been under 100kgs. Chuffed.
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years). Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point. Just need to keep riding
and being sensible...
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years). Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point. Just need to keep riding
FailQuoteand being sensible...
Fail.
:-[
Not too bad. I'll see how it is by Wednesday
Well, it was a fun weekend which contained far too much eating, hardly any cycling, and a lot of lying around in the sunshine, so not all bad at all, really ;)
btw, my son was v disappointed when he heard the campsite wasn't actually in Wales. Fortunately, a visit to see a forummer meant we did enter the Principality :thumbsup:
Well done! And we were in Ross, so popped over near Monmouth. Very very pretty :)
Me too :-[
Gah. Back on track. 99.6kg. But a day too late. :(
Never mind. I've been winning by the rules, I can take some knocks by the rules as well. I just need to recognise that I am benefiting from the reduced weight for the week, and have a head start on next week's weigh in, so I ought to get a decent rating.
Up by half a kilo which is not too shabby considering how much I ate over the Easter weekend & no exercise :(
Achieved target (again ::-) ). Just. 100.0kg
I feel pretty good about that, and I hope I'll manage to stay below that now.
I don't think it is due to dehydration or anything like that. I have recovered from the Elenith now.
Achieved target (again ::-) ). Just. 100.0kg
I feel pretty good about that, and I hope I'll manage to stay below that now.
I got to the target too! 79.9kg. I have to keep it down at that kind of level now! I don't think it is due to dehydration or anything like that. I have recovered from the Elenith now.
and Guiness ONLY 170 cals/pint. :thumbsup: :P
Best week since the beginning of February - lost a kilo exactly. Definitely going in the right direction.
We're having the bathroom rebuilt, so the scales are hidden in a cupboard. Good thing I expect, on at least three counts:
- The easter bunny brought eggs the kids didn't like (creme) so I had to help out with them
- I've not been on the bike for a couple of weeks because getting sweaty with no shower until I get to work is undesirable
- I had the snip yesterday and even your most broken in and sofa-like brooks saddle doesn't appeal right now :o
So, damage limitation for a bit then some extra riding to get back on track.
All the way from John O Groats to Stoke & lost only one kilogram :(
A diet of porridge & Guiness does not seem to be working ::-)
January__ | February__ | March_____ | April_____ | May_______ | June_______ |
7th: 81.3 | 4th: 82.7 | 4th: 82.1 | 1st: 79.8 | 6th: 80.2 | 3rd: 78.5 |
14th: 81.8 | 11th: 82.6 | 11th: 81.1 | 8th: 78.7 | 13th: 78.0 | 10th: |
21st: 81.9 | 18th: 80.5 | 18th: pass | 15th: 79.0 | 20th: 80.1 | 17th: |
28th: 82.8 | 25th: 82.5 | 25th: 80.5 | 22nd: 80.2 | 27th: 79.1 | 24th: |
29th: 79.2 |
Yay, target (72.0kg) reached. :thumbsup:
Fred Whitton Challenge FTW.
I've invented a new syndrome.
PAWGS
Post Audax Weight Gain Syndrome.
Will see if it renormalises over the next few days. Gym reckon I don't want to go below 15% because of the ultra endurance nature of Audax as having those reserves will be useful.
If that number was an accurate guage of absolute body fat it'd be saying I was back to my mid 20s level of fat.
If that number was an accurate guage of absolute body fat it'd be saying I was back to my mid 20s level of fat.
Yeah - I saw you at the Haslingfield control in March, before you lost even more weight. You looked like you needed a decent feed, even then... ;D
If the weather forecast looks very good I might be tempted to try to use the Madone.
Up again. I think I've plateaud a bit :(You've been under 100kg for 6 weeks straight :thumbsup:. It's not bad :-*.
But it's been a stressful couple of weeks, and we've had folk in the house, so we've been eating differently.
If I can maintain 98-99kg for a bit, I'll be happy.
So I am at my weight target. But I think I look flabby. So, what next?
So I am at my weight target. But I think I look flabby. So, what next?
pump iron to tone up
I've had the same effect following last weekend's hilly 300 that I had after the 600; my weight has gone up, but the Tanita scales insist my BF% has gone down from 21% to 18%.I tend not to weigh myself early in the week, especially after a high mileage weekend. Leave it until Wednesday or Thursday to let the body recover somewhat. FWIW I am still around 71kg, been there for ages now, no amount of miles, chocolate or beer is changing things in the medium to long term and that is something I am pleased about.
Given how sore my legs have been (improving now) this pretty much convinces me - my legs become infused with all manner of watery mixtures after a tough ride. Part of the healing process maybe.
Might even get down to that magic 76.2kg for LEL although it really doesn't matter much at all now. Fitness and miles in the legs are far more important (and all of that has gone ok).Best shoot me now...
I have never bought into the fat burning zone btw. If I ride in the fat zone for an hour I burn maybe 300 kcals. If I ride in the aerobic zone I might burn 500. I will burn more fat in the latter case.
Alternative research has suggested that when you cycle, swim, row or run at a modest intensity of only 50% VO2max (about 69% MHR), fat provides about 50% of the calories you need to keep going for the first hour or so. If you keep going after that, fat becomes even more generous, providing around 70% of the total energy after two hours and 80% or more if your work duration exceeds three hours. If you increase the intensity then the Fat contribution decreases - at 75% VO2max fat provides 33% of the energy.
A moderately fit athlete exercising at 50% VO2max generally consumes about 220 Calories during a 30 minute workout. If the same athlete works out at 75% VO2max, 330 Calories are burned during the same period. Of course, 50% of 220 Calories and 33% of 330 Calories yield an identical number of calories coming from fat - 110 Calories.
I am still around 70kg, was 69 once a couple of weeks ago, 71 yesterday. It's OK. Still getting thinner though and wider chest and shoulders, my upper arms are staring to rub the sides of my chest like my power lifting mate.
Hulver: is that daily weighing (which can be v misleading) or a weekly average or something? Also, if you're exercising at the same time, you can put muscle-weight on (which is broadly speaking a good thing :) ).
Hah. I've put on post-LEL weight now and am starting to feel flabby again!
I do weigh myself daily, so I can get a rough idea of the average. It's been the same since the weekend.
Perhaps I should throw the scales away and use a tape measure or something.
(And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)
I've changed shape!
(And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)
BMI is the same as weight, unless you are regularly changing height.
Using both can (IME) be useful.
In general, it's a good idea to focus more on fitness than on weight per se. (And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.) If you're getting fitter (riding further/faster/easier, doing better at whatever non-cycling-sport you're doing, less out of breath when you climb stairs, whatever metric you like), then don't get fixated on the number on the scales. It's *far* more important for your health to be fit & active than it is to be a certain weight (and indeed there's evidence that dieting for weight can actually be bad for your health).
67.3kg!
I was happy with 69kg. ::-)
67.3kg!
I was happy with 69kg. ::-)
Erm... I'd start to be concerned if I lost nigh on 3Kg in a week - esp if I were as lean as you. Are you feeling ok?
Depressed though I was to see photos of myself at the camping weekend looking as big as ever, I think a lot of it's just loose flab now. It'll take a while to go.
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.
Pasties make an ideal pie substitute.
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.
Pasties make an ideal pie substitute.
unless I cut down on the pies.
Yes. I rather think the absence of cycling from my schedule has been a significant factor in my increased lardiness :( :-[
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smokingMe too. I found it much easier to not buy cigarettes than chocolate. Partly because you have to ask for them I think. Maybe they should have all the sweets in a cabinet behind the till? :-[
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking
Of course it's harder.
You can't all-or-nothing with food.
I appear to be aiming for 'all'
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting. :thumbsup:
Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week. I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting. :thumbsup:
Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week. I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
What is your Body Fat %?
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting. :thumbsup:
Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week. I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
What is your Body Fat %?
The scales say it is around 18%.
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting. :thumbsup:
Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week. I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
What is your Body Fat %?
The scales say it is around 18%.
Which is what was reported from Friday's test (calipers).
:-\
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting. :thumbsup:
Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week. I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
What is your Body Fat %?
The scales say it is around 18%.
Which is what was reported from Friday's test (calipers).
:-\
Why the sad face? What do you want your BF% to be?
According to the Tanita Lying Machine, my BF is 22%. But you can see my lard - I have a wobbly gut; you must be hiding yours somewhere...
The Frontal
Surface Area (FSA) is an estimation of the degree to which your body shape effects wind
resistance. The greater the calculated value the greater the wind resistance. For you this
equates to 0.42m2 which compares poorly to elite road cyclists who score 0.32m2. A key
factor in this analysis is the percentage body fat with elite males having an average value
of 11.0%, although this has been shown to increase to around 13.4% during the off
season. Your score is currently 18.0% which is higher than would be expected for a road
cyclist.
I've found the secret - get the 'flu I've got. I'm down a ½ stone in a week.
You've pulled Reg,you smoothI've found the secret - get the 'flu I've got. I'm down a ½ stone in a week.
I'll be round in a jiffy.
I hope this is ok, here is a link to my weight loss bloggy thing http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/ (http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/)
I believe that, at 183cm, 85kg is still overweight :(
2.5Kg gained so far over the holiday :thumbsup:. Bloat-tastic!Press ups will not help your cycling much.
The pain starts Friday with exhaustion tests for 100 Push up and 200 Sit up challenges, then I'm onto a proper programme with the Concept 2, Turbo Trainer and the Livestrong app, starting next week.
I'll be concentrating on Core Tone again, as that seemed to make a big difference to my average speeds on the bike this year. Might also try some squats and lunges to get more strength into my legs.
The aim is stronger, less bulky muscles, and definitely less lard.
Press ups will not help your cycling much.
I DID say "much", specific legwork and core work will help your cycling more. And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!Press ups will not help your cycling much.
Well, they helped with my core tone this year - plus some upper arm strength is always a Good Thing when hauling a fixed gear up a hill, I find.
So I think I disagree ;)
And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!
And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!
Hehe - indeed. Though I have been known to leave the flatlands on occasion ;).
So are we going to have a chart for the new year?I was wondering that. Is there anyone in charge round here, or should I just copy last years initial post, edit the dates and start it myself?
So are we going to have a chart for the new year?
Do any of you follow the weight watchers plan ?
Do any of you follow the weight watchers plan ?
Hi Sandy, I have been on the weight watchers plan for about 14 months now, and you are correct it only works if you follow it. I was hoping to hit my goal weight by christmas but didn't make it so I have now set it for the end of January.
I use the online stuff but I also go to meetings as I find they encourage me to track better, and there are other people who are or have been in the same situation I was in, 23 stone !! :)
Serious respect mate! Love the before and after photo at the end.Hi Sandy, I have been on the weight watchers plan for about 14 months now, and you are correct it only works if you follow it. I was hoping to hit my goal weight by christmas but didn't make it so I have now set it for the end of January.
I use the online stuff but I also go to meetings as I find they encourage me to track better, and there are other people who are or have been in the same situation I was in, 23 stone !! :)
Wow - I just looked at your blog - extraordinary effort!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
but I fear it is probably an abberation.
It was the absence of one of those that made it an aberration ;D.but I fear it is probably an aberration.
Is that one of those euphemism things? We call it "having a monster crap" here in sarf lunnon
If you eat too much fat (> 20g per meal) you get the runs, which can be fast and unpleasant
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.Count me in.
What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.
What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Anyone else on weight-loss pills?I've never got on with that sort of weightloss pills. Far too undisciplined :-[. I have done well with pills from the (hugely expensive Harley St) diet Dr when I've felt flush in the past, but the diet is really strict and the pills include an appetite suppressant. :-\
I'm a gimmick man - I've lost loads of weight before (4 stones +) with Weightwatchers meetings, then (again) with Weightwatchers online. It all goes back on when I take my eye off the ball for two seconds...
Is that a graph of weight / weight lost / percentage of goal achieved / something else?
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.Yes please, would you include me - that would be great. Thanks.
What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
A floor collapsed beneath a group of about 20 members of Weight Watchers as they gathered to compare how many pounds they had shed over Christmas.
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.
What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.
What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Ok, I'm going to start this
I remember last time that it was a real PITA wading through all the tables each week to see who'd posted what.
This time I'm going to ask anyone interested to PM me their update each week.
Thanks for the graphs, Pointed out that I am the only one gaining weight. :-[ :-[ :-[Not just you! I am too :-[.
I real kick I T A which is what I need if I am not to follow last years example.
Thank you very much
Geoff
January__ | February__ | March_____ | April_____ | May_______ | June_______ | |
3rd: 89.6 | 7th: 89.0 | 7th: 87.4 | 4th: 86.0 | 2nd: away | 6th: 83.6 | |
10th: 90.0 | 14th: 88.6 | 14th: 86.4 | 11th: 85.2 | 9th: 84.9 | 13th: 83.0 | |
17th: 90.0 | 21st: 88.6 | 21st: 85.6 | 18th: 84.5 | 16th: 83.2 | 20th: 83.5 | |
24th: 89.6 | 28th: 87.9 | 28th: 85.6 | 25th: away | 23rd: 82.8 | 29th: 82.6 | |
31st: 89.3 | 30th: away | |||||
July_____ | August____ | September__ | October__ | November__ | December__ | |
4th: 80.8 | 1st: 80.1 | 5th: 79.0 | 3rd: 76.8 | 7th: 77.0 | 5th: 78.3 | |
11th: 80.7 | 8th: 79.1 | 12th: 78.8 | 10th: 77.0 | 14th: 77.0 | 12th: 78.3 | |
18th: 80.5 | 15th: 80.0 | 19th: 77.9 | 17th: 76.7 | 21st: 78.0 | 19th: 78.3 | |
25th: 79.8 | 22nd: 78.5 | 26th: 77.3 | 24th: 77.0 | 28th: 77.3 | 26th: 79.0 | |
29th: 78.6 | 31st: 77.0 |
Weight loss graphs (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28731.msg524996#msg524996)
Yes, I must say that being a bloke I need the target-driven stuff, and being weak-willed I need the public declaration, to keep me on track.
I'm inexplicably up this week. I know I ate a fair bit at the weekend, but I am also riding a lot. Maybe I shouldn't have had the pickled egg ;D
I thought I'd be down, as I'm riding.
I'm not.
Then I remembered All That Food. O yeah.
I'm inexplicably up this week. I know I ate a fair bit at the weekend, but I am also riding a lot. Maybe I shouldn't have had the pickled egg ;D
That combined with your very low target change means that I've had to let your line go off the top of the third graph this week. Otherwise the rest of us just end up in the same place on the origin ;)
2kg in two weeks.I'd like to get down to where I finished last year.
I'm back down to where I started last year now. :facepalm:
I've rather gone off the idea of graphs this week - can't think why ;D
EDIT: Which target are you using, MV? I've put three in. Perhaps if you select a different one, that might work better... :)
Eating after a big bike ride - you think you have calories in the bank and go and spoil it on the Sunday.
Anyone else on weight-loss pills?
Anyone else on weight-loss pills?
I said I'd keep you up-to-date with my experience of Alli weight loss pills...
So far so good. After an eight pound loss in week one, the loss has settled down at about 1.5 lb a week. (12.5 lb so far). I feel great, eat sensibly and haven't had any poo related "accidents" from eating too much.
So. IMHO, they work... but (of course) they work because I'm dieting and have substantially changed my eating habits. If you need a gimmick, or an incentive, I can recommend them.
If you have willpower, you won't need them.
Heh, thinking "If I eat this I'm going to soil myself" is certainly a pretty good incentive. ;D
That's great, Kevin - well done.That's ok - it only takes 5 weeks of 200g losses to lose a kg :D.
I lost 200g this week. :-[
So...when do I get cake? ;)Birthdays only.
I've started writing the script, will probably take a few days as I don't have that much time to spare atm.
It'll take an url to a yacf page and attempt to output CSV with username then weights in date order on the same row. Very limited error checking obviously.
Next level(s) of automation would be to automatically work through all the pages of the weight reports thread, filter in (or out) users who are in (or out), generate a graph automagically using gnuplot, and even upload it to teh web automatically. Most of which will probably never happen. :)
BTW I have been cake free for over a year now
Yes, I must say that being a bloke I need the target-driven stuff, and being weak-willed I need the public declaration, to keep me on track. My ulterior motive for doing the graphs... ;)
Early days yet through Geoff.
This is a lot harder now I'm in the normal weight bracket and trying to lose a bit more.
When I adjusted my weight on Livestrong from 73kg to 72kg (which is getting close to my target of 70), my calorie goal went down from 1611 to 1593. Just doesn't seem fair, being rewarded with an even lower calorie goal. Anyway "weight loss plateau" articles give a few tips.This is a lot harder now I'm in the normal weight bracket and trying to lose a bit more.It is. Unless you're doing stupid amounts of exercise, your body really doesn't easily let you shift from what it thinks is a decent weight.
I think I need a better motivation. Just 'being lighter' clearly isn't enough of a motivator. 'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well, as did 'ever having sex again'. 'Going fast in the summer' clearly doesn't have the same appeal ::-)
So. According to Livestrong, my Intake/Exercise for this week:
In: 13,097 kcals
Out: 12,727 kcals
So, if this is to be believed - I've pretty much offset all my intake with exercise. However, this is net calories and doesn't include BMR. So, even if I have the metabolism of a mouse - say, 1000 kcals a day, I should still have lost about a kg because I didn't eat that equivalent. So how the f*cking hell did I gain 300g?
Sommat's not right there.
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well
When I'm exercising a lot there seems to be a lot more noise in the data which can easily shift my weight by 1kg from day to day. When I wasn't exercising over Xmas/ny the noise went away and my weight steadily dropped. As I said before I'm trying to lose 0.5lb per week. Losing weight fast isn't healthy.
I was mainly concerned that I might lose muscle mass if I over did it. I have wondered if the calorie estimates for cycling are optimistic. e.g. Sunday's ride 2400kJ (implying about 2400kcal) on PowerTap. LiveStrong reckons 3900kcal. If you believe one I had a 2000 deficit, if the other it was 500. I have been doing this for nearly 3 months now so should be able to look at the data and draw some conclusions.
I was mainly concerned that I might lose muscle mass if I over did it. I have wondered if the calorie estimates for cycling are optimistic. e.g. Sunday's ride 2400kJ (implying about 2400kcal) on PowerTap. LiveStrong reckons 3900kcal. If you believe one I had a 2000 deficit, if the other it was 500. I have been doing this for nearly 3 months now so should be able to look at the data and draw some conclusions.
I think the Livestrong calorie estimates are wildly optimistic. There's no way I burned 500 calories cycling 5 miles to work and back. More like 100 at the most.
5 miles is at least 160 calories unless you're going slowly. I've collected a lot of data from the powertap and I've never done less than 20kJ per kilometre. Which equates to 20kcal/kilometre, and is very likely to underestimate the true energy cost.
For me it gives 562kcal/hr.
Motivation: Mille Cymru, 23rd July, 13,500 metres ascent
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well
Excellent. I'll try that one :thumbsup:
I think the Livestrong calorie estimates are wildly optimistic.
I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr
That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour :o
I think it estimated a 6000 calorie loss for a day's ride for me.
"Not being the last up every single hill on a ride" is my motivation.Of the East Anglian Big Hitters I am the strongest climber.
"Not being the last up every single hill on a ride" is my motivation.
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work. I remember estimates of the efficiency at about 25% for cycling, so the cycling power is more like 170W. I guess the rest is mostly heat.I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr
That seems a lot. Have i got the calculations wrong ?
600 kcal is 2520 kJ
One hour is 3600 seconds
That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour :o
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work.
At the moment my weight is coming off fairly quickly but I was starting from a position of being very overweight (approx 17 stones), I don’t know if this is a factor – I do know from previous experience that the rate of loss will probably slow down significantly as my weight drops under the 95-90kg mark (and if I don’t keep up the momentum I’ll have trouble keeping it off). Currently lost 1.59 stones since the start of the year.
I’m exercising more- I haven’t missed a commute yet this year and as the round trip is 25+ miles this seems to help. I’m eating a bit more carefully but certainly not dieting (I’m weighing carbs to ensure that I’m not under or overdoing it). I’m also making sure that I eat breakfast every day, which also seems to help.
Possibly more significantly, I’m drinking a fair amount less alcohol, still probably a fair intake by most people’s standards but a big reduction for me.
I’m doing up to two turbo sessions on either Tuesday or Thursday and I seem to get much of my weight loss in the day following these efforts. I’m also doing a long turbo or hilly ride at the weekend.
My problem has never been with shifting weight when motivated, it’s in finding the motivation and keeping the weight off once lost that I really struggle with. My biggest battle with weight loss will be in the summer when all the rides I have planned for will be over.
I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well
Excellent. I'll try that one :thumbsup:
;D
I had similar thoughts when I read that ;)
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work. I remember estimates of the efficiency at about 25% for cycling, so the cycling power is more like 170W. I guess the rest is mostly heat.I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr
That seems a lot. Have i got the calculations wrong ?
600 kcal is 2520 kJ
One hour is 3600 seconds
That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour :o
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work.
ah, of course
I wonder how that % changes with effort ? I suspect that at audax pace it's quite a bit higher; 25% might work for all-out turbo work I guess.
25% is at the high end of efficiency, apparently.
My favourite when I lost weight a few years ago came from my cousin - "you look emancipated"! ;D I did explain the difference between that and emaciated... (which I didn't anyway).I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)
LOL. That really winds me up.
"You're looking gaunt dear, are you feeling ok?"
Grrr....
25% is at the high end of efficiency, apparently.
Maybe, but that's for a 40 mile TT. That'd be a pretty high power output. I'd bet that at 200 km pace for us non-racing types, the power would be a lot less and the efficiency might be quite a bit higher
I just struggle to marry up the claimed calorie usage with the observed not-greatness of audax riding for weight-loss (even ignoring cakes ;))
edit: I did the same ride yesterday as I did last Tuesday. I felt stronger and faster, and pushed myself far harder. Result: ate more, finished considerably more wiped out in exactly the same overall time :)
Yet carbohydrate is burned more efficiently than fat.
Does this inefficiency translate to calories taken in I wonder? If I eat 300 kcals of pasta - does my body get 300 kcals of energy from it? Seems unlikely.
The food energy data for a given food already accounts for the fact that some of the food - roughage - can't be digested.Yup. The stuff that goes through relatively unscathed - sweetcorn* and nutshells - has no calories that we can extract.
You look emancipated to me :-*
Perhaps try wearing heavier warmer clothes? :P
But even after all that - it must cost the body more to maintain optimum conditions when it's 2C compared to 20C.Yes; the 'perfect cycling temperature" would also require the least energy. I imagine a few velodromes have been precisely setup for Perfect Hour Record Temperature.
Chaps, this is a weight loss discussion thread. Sweating is not a good way to lose weight.
Chaps, this is a weight loss discussion thread. Sweating is not a good way to lose weight.Well, I think we've established that
But even after all that - it must cost the body more to maintain optimum conditions when it's 2C compared to 20C.
More layers of clothing => more wind resistance is one possibility. Jackets in particular.More weight too. Muscles constricted by leggings.
So why are winter rides harder then?
I find a 10 hour ride at 2c much harder than at 20c. And if you say it's because of air density, I won't believe you - I don't go fast enough for that to be a factor ;D.
For you maybe! I'd put it somewhere in the teens. :)So why are winter rides harder then?
I find a 10 hour ride at 2c much harder than at 20c. And if you say it's because of air density, I won't believe you - I don't go fast enough for that to be a factor ;D.
As others have suggested, extra clothing means extra weight and extra resistance. Plus you need to warm yourself up after being stopped for any length of time.
I'd guess a plot of 'ease of ride vs temperature' would look like a bell curve, and that the optimum lies somewhere between 2oC and 20oC and probably closer to 2oC than 20oC.
Hmm... not convinced. :)
Ach !
The scales have broke.
Ach !
The scales have broke.
I'm impressed - 2 hours and no-one has taken this bait :)
Ah, but has he really lost that weight, or is it just the scales? ;)
I'm still heavier than at the start of the year.
Pigs heads weigh approx 8kg.
I'm not sure this is in any way relevant.
A deliberate week off the weight loss for me, and also a quiet week in terms of cycling. I've been overdoing both and need a respite before the Easter Arrow.
I've hit my 2nd target weight, and I don't want to loose much more now. Maybe a kg or 2 max, slowly over the summer.
Stress, poor diet and lack of exercise seem to be the way forward - that's my lowest weight all year. :-\
Woo Hoo. BMI < 25 for the first time in, oh, 10 years?
I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT :thumbsup:.
Nice work :)
It's a big psychological boost, isn't it ?
I do remain a bit sceptical of BMI as applied to cyclists though; when I was at about 25 I didn't feel (or I think look) "overweight"
Woo Hoo. BMI < 25 for the first time in, oh, 10 years?
I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT :thumbsup:.
Thanks for the encouragement folks :D.
Next goal is 80Kg, which I think I will then try and maintain. The "ideal" graph for my height suggests I should be about 76Kg, but I have cyclist's legs, so I reckon 80Kg is fine.
Thanks for the encouragement folks :D.
Next goal is 80Kg, which I think I will then try and maintain. The "ideal" graph for my height suggests I should be about 76Kg, but I have cyclist's legs, so I reckon 80Kg is fine.
Which cyclist ? Sir Chris Hoy or Michael Rasmussen ?
My BF% is around 19%
Given your performance on the Dean, I think you have little to worry about :)
Heck, I'd trade 5 inches!
Heck, I'd trade 5 inches!
and I know that's a promise you don't make to just anyone.
but Manotea had swiftly edited the original wording... ;D
the Belgium food was just amazing :) or should it be :(It does tend to be a bit calorific, doesn't it!
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts
Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m
1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules
So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts
Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m
1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules
So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.
Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m
1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules
So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.
Try it on here
http://analyticcycling.com/ForcesLessWeight_Page.html
This Much Less Weight 3 kg
Over This Distance 250000 meters
On Hill of Slope 0.054 Decimal
Faster by 2595.70 s
Ahead by 7316.70 m
Frontal Area 0.5 m^2
Coefficient Wind Drag 0.5 Dimensionless
Air Density 1.226 kg/m^3
Weight Rider & Bike 96 kg
Rolling Coefficient 0.005 Dimensionless
Power 160 watts
I assume that the actual climbing on the 1,000km will be 250km of "up"
To get 13,500 metres height gain requires a slope of 5.4%
2595 seconds is 43 minutes 15 seconds is just the time gained on the climbs over the imaginary 250km
I honestly thought it would be more than that!
(Obviously this rule can't be extended toooo far...)
I am fighting The Hunger post audax.
Increased spring mileage, and decreased junk consumption => lifetime PB, under 23 BMI. (despite no calorie counting, loads of red wine and dark chocolate)
Which still seems silly - allegedly I'm still 6-7 pounds above mid-range. WTF?!?
Hmmm. I'm half a stone heavier then I was this time last year. Steroids for pain relief are partly to blame. I'm not too bothered but just need to stop diving into the chocolate bowl.
I'm about the same weight I was this time last year.
In between I put on a stone and was told off for being too fat at the fitness test I did in November. I did the calorie counting thing, but riding a nearly 1500 miles last month has made that a bit redundant.
Ideally I should be about 68kg so I will have to keep at it.
I'm about the same weight I was this time last year.
In between I put on a stone and was told off for being too fat at the fitness test I did in November. I did the calorie counting thing, but riding a nearly 1500 miles last month has made that a bit redundant.
Ideally I should be about 68kg so I will have to keep at it.
I;d like to be 72kg, I feel best at that weight but it's very difficult to stay at 72 so I don't really try. (Denying myself treats affects my mental state too much) I was weight lifting all winter so I may have increased muscle mass anyway. 75kg is OK for someone my age and height.
Am back on the old fat-fighters scheme - lack of week-end cycling and sedentary life-style means that some of the old weight has come back on :(. The main reason and motivation for losing weight is that my sister is getting married in September and I do not want to be a lardy bridesmaid :thumbsup: So far I have lost four pounds!
My weight is static. Not as static as threeps' though. ::-)At least we'll know if he starts falling apart and losing his bearings - 44kg... 43kg...
My weight is static.
Not as static as threeps' though. ::-)
My weight is static.
If I was your weight, I'd be very happy for it to be static.QuoteNot as static as threeps' though. ::-)
I don't believe he's telling the truth - all that metal...
d.
Am back on the old fat-fighters scheme - lack of week-end cycling and sedentary life-style means that some of the old weight has come back on :(. The main reason and motivation for losing weight is that my sister is getting married in September and I do not want to be a lardy bridesmaid :thumbsup: So far I have lost four pounds!
Cool :thumbsup:
Anyone for coffee and walnut cake, chocolate fudge, shrewsbury biscuits and maple syrup muffins? That's just what's hanging around the kitchen today. ::-)
You have an unfair advantage.
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I weighed myself the other day at my mums (don't own scales so never weigh myself at home)... since I bought the Very Lovely Valencia at Christmas I have lost approximately 2 1/2 stone. 2 stone (roughly) of that is since the end of March, when I started riding for fun as well as commuting. It quite good for you, this cycling malarkey, isn't it?:thumbsup: 8)
I declined to be weighed last night at my accidental attendance at Slimmers World ::-)
I declined to be weighed last night at my accidental attendance at Slimmers World ::-)
Accidental? :)
I changed the weight in Sporttracks, but it's still claiming I am burning >1150 calories each way on a 28.7km commute (takes an hour). That's wrong, right?
I changed the weight in Sporttracks, but it's still claiming I am burning >1150 calories each way on a 28.7km commute (takes an hour). That's wrong, right?
Depends. 28.7km in an hour is pretty intense cycling - especially if it's not flat. You're pretty light though.
Seems a bit high to me. I weigh around 84Kg and average more like 25kph - and I reckon on using 500kcal/hr. Much less than most online tools, or my HRM say I do.
I've gone from 11st 5lbs down to 10st 10lbs :) Its been a combination of counting calories, drinking less wine, upping the exercise and doing lots of diy :thumbsup: The best thing is getting back into size 12 trousers!
I've gone from 11st 5lbs down to 10st 10lbs :) Its been a combination of counting calories, drinking less wine, upping the exercise and doing lots of diy :thumbsup: The best thing is getting back into size 12 trousers!:thumbsup: :D
My body fat scales they say 13.2% this morning.
This (13%) was my target body fat percentage. Unfortunately it'll go up as my body remembers what normality is again over the next day or two. Usually it goes up by around 1% so I will be around 14% probably.
Weight is remaining stable at 70kg. I achieve this by weekly curries to keep the calorie count high enough. ;D
Fitness test next week will give an indication of how "real" that drop is.
(Unsurprisingly, I look and feel a lot more trim than when the scales were reading 19%).
Can we change the weigh-in day to Tuesday?
For body fat I got it measured at anglianruakin along with a load of other stuff. I was 74kg and 18% fat.
6 months in and I'm exactly where I was at the beginning of January ::-). I might need to try a bit harder :facepalm:.
I bought two new pairs of jeans a while back, because the old ones were falling down. And I always buy things in twos if I find something that fits and that I like/can put up with.
Wore one of the new pairs of jeans for the first time a few weeks later. They're a bit generous.... I think I shall have to only buy one of anything at a time for a bit.
It dawned on me when I was riding out to meet Jaded the other weekend and became aware that I was...er...bouncing on the nose of the saddle.
It dawned on me when I was riding out to meet Jaded the other weekend and became aware that I was...er...bouncing on the nose of the saddle.
From complaining to bragging in one post 8)
My colleague just commented that he saw me on the way into the building this morning and thought I was looking svelte. Which is nice. :smug:
One "problem" I seem to have is quite large variations in my weight from day to day - I know a bit of fluctuation is normal, but I try to minimise that by always weighing myself at the same time of day (first thing in the morning) and it can vary by as much as +/-2kg from one day to the next. Is that normal?
Anyway, my "average" weight seems to be around the 79kg mark at the moment, so it's clearly on a downward trend. :thumbsup:
d.
"Once you start down the cake path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume it you will."
::-)
When it comes down to it, I'm just eating too much, and too much of the wrong thing. Which depresses me.
Finally, after seven months, I have achieved my first weight loss target for the year. I started at 95.6kg and have finally got below 95kg. Not a very great achievement, but it's there.:thumbsup: :-*
Oh, there is another target, if I can lose another 5kg by the end of the year ;D
First weighing since Mille Cymru: 66.1kg - probably lightest I've been in 10-15 years. ~10kg lighter than in November. BMI exactly 20. Scales claim body fat now 13.5%.
Christ only knows what I weighed earlier in the week, I've been eating like a pig post Mille-Cymru. ::-)
(Thing is, I think I still look slightly flabby. But, I had a pair of jeans on yesterday and they're loose around the waist and tight around the right thigh!).
12lbs down now, my sisters wedding is in 7 weeks time. The quest for being a non-lardy bridesmaid continues!
12lbs down now, my sisters wedding is in 7 weeks time. The quest for being a non-lardy bridesmaid continues!
That's good progress. You should be pleased with yourself!
d.
Diolch Citoyen! I don't know why, but the scales have shifted again, am now another 2 pounds down, which makes it a stone *does happy dance*. I had been sat at 68 kilos for 3 weeks and was getting really pissed off, but now its gone down to 66 kilos. Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!
Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!
Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!
I've hit the wall a bit recently - went down from 86 to 79kg quite quickly but I've been stuck at 79 for nearly a month.
I suspect the problem is partly being a victim of your own success - you're fitter and lighter, therefore the same exercise routine doesn't burn so many calories as it did before...
The answer, for me at least, is trying to ride that little bit harder and faster on my morning commute - I'm aiming to raise my average speed from 28 to 30km/h. I think it's doable - not so long ago, a 28km/h average had me hacking my lungs up at the end; now I can do it and feel out of breath but not completely spent.
It's all hard work, though. :-\
d.
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.
It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.
It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.
It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
The correct amount to eat is obvious. Helpfully, they only sell them in two sizes - taster and single serving. I don't need the taster packs any more; I know chunky monkey is always the right choice.
Ben & Jerry's is this: :sick:
Far too sweet.
Green & Black's chocolate or vanilla ice cream ftw.
d.
This is dangerous talk on this part of the forum. From having lustful thoughts about ice-cream, am now craving a burger and chips.
Same here. It's coming up to about a year before PBP and I need to lose 10kg, ideally 15kg.
Mixing up my units but 10kg over 52 weeks is just under 1/2lb a week, 15kg is just over 1/2lb a week.
3) Drop snack machine habit at work in the afternoon
Hulver, I can really empathise with a lot of that. But (speaking as somebody who is also lumping around an extra half a dozen stone) you have to accept as well that it's bloody brilliant that you can and do get round rides of that length. Similarly, on Saturday I went out and rode a bit under 40 miles, with a generous 3000 feet of climbing (and only 2000 or so of down to compensate) thrown in. With my power to weight ratio, that's not an achievement, it's a bloody miracle!
You just have to keep on keeping on. A bad couple of days can happen to anyone. It doesn't make you a bad person!
Chin up, hulver! If it's any consolation, I don't think any of us find it easy. It doesn't help that eating is so much fun...
If exercise is your main way of hoping to lose weight, I reckon it's very important to actually enjoy the type of exercise you do.
You enjoy cycling, which is good, but it seems you're not enjoying the type of cycling you're doing... perhaps set yourself some different challenges? Or find a different type of cycling to do? I was in the doldrums a bit at the start of this year but discovering fixed-gear reignited my enthusiasm in a big way. Worth considering?
d.
I'm riding fixed, and loving it. It's only for really hilly rides I get the gears out.
I need to HTFU and just get out there more often though, it would help. Riding always makes me feel better overall, and less inclined to turn to other sources of solace.
3) Drop snack machine habit at work in the afternoon
I've found two things help with this:
- apples. I buy a bag of five small apples for 99p from M&S and snack on them instead of chocolate or crisps. It helps if you like apples.
- water. Drinking more water is a good way to feel fuller. I don't know if there's any scientific basis for this or if it's psychological, but it seems to work for me. Perhaps it's just the increased exercise from more frequent trips to the toilet. ;)
d.
I hate carrying this extra weight around, taking 11 hours and being the last one home on a course that people who aren't carrying an extra 6 stone can do in 7 hours.Q: How long would most people take to ride the Phil 150?
- water. Drinking more water is a good way to feel fuller. I don't know if there's any scientific basis for this or if it's psychological, but it seems to work for me.
and being the last one homeI suggest you ride more events with me:you were back before me on the Wiggy 100 so it's not accurate to say that you are last.
So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better
So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better (I may or may not have a BMJ paper talking about this out soon).
...
Redo that for yourself. Not saying it's a panacea, but meta-analysis shows this technique (IF>THEN plans, AKA implementation intentions) has a large effect size across a range of health behaviours. You might ask why I didn't reassociate the cue (ice cream pot) with something more healthy, like eating an apple. Well, I like ice cream, and doing something I don't want to do, like not eat icecream ever, is dumb (and plans like that don't work so well, see paper by friend and me in crappy obscure journal only our mates will read, 2009).
@hulver
So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better (I may or may not have a BMJ paper talking about this out soon). So I would stop worrying about your intentions failing, because it just means you aren't an uber-conscientious freak. Revel in your normality, and instead, identify something that regularly triggers bad eating habits, and associate that cue with a better response. For me, it's the presence of ice cream in the house. My habit was to eat the whole pot in one sitting. Instead, I formed the following plan
IF I open the ice cream tub, THEN I will only have 1/3rd of the pot in an evening.
I repeated this out loud, and visualised myself only serving myself 1/3rd.
Redo that for yourself. Not saying it's a panacea, but meta-analysis shows this technique (IF>THEN plans, AKA implementation intentions) has a large effect size across a range of health behaviours. You might ask why I didn't reassociate the cue (ice cream pot) with something more healthy, like eating an apple. Well, I like ice cream, and doing something I don't want to do, like not eat icecream ever, is dumb (and plans like that don't work so well, see paper by friend and me in crappy obscure journal only our mates will read, 2009).
I'd be interested in a pointer, for work - I'm not usually reading the BMJ but I am interested in behaviour change.
Why not try 250kcal/day and see if that is more tolerable?
This may be an interesting read but then again it may not. Book excerpt: The myth of 'The Fat-Burning Zone' - VeloNews (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/08/news/book-excerpt-the-myth-of-the-fat-burning-zone_134214)
There was an 'interesting' article in the Times the other day about how all of the talk of calorie counting, basal metabolic rate, exercise affecting weight and the like is bollocks. (A view I certainly don't share.)I'm glad you posted that! I found myself disagreeing with that article and wondering what I was missing.
In reality it was nothing more than a piece advertising a book by Dr John Briffa who's just reinvented the Atkins diet (eat as much fat and protein as you like but no carbs). A google shows that he used to write for the Grauniad and Observer until the end of 2005. Writing diet books seems to be more lucrative.
I find the best way to avoid disagreeing with articles in the Times is to avoid reading the Times. ;)
My wife helpfully dug out some pics of me at my fattest. I may post them up. I look like a sea lion.
Ha. I laugh at your sea lion and lard and would give you the bmi of 41.5 but I can't find any digital photos.My wife helpfully dug out some pics of me at my fattest. I may post them up. I look like a sea lion.
That prompted me to go find a picture that I'd thought I'd lost (I remembered that it might have been emailed to me). Taken in the summer of 2001 when I was living the American Dream in Kansas.
http://www.greenbank.org/misc/lard.jpg
Might start a boozahol units thread. Just checked the recycling bin - 18.4 units in the last 2 weeks, which I think is perfectly acceptable. Would help me keep on the straight and narrow.
I also cycled over 7550 km during that period.
My colleagues all think I'm wasting away! :smug:
My colleagues all think I'm wasting away! :smug:
...but despite this, my weight has remained constant since mid-July, hovering around the 79kg mark. The 200 at the weekend hasn't made a dent. :-\
My target by the end of this year is 76kg, so I'm going to need to up the effort a bit.
d.
I definitely can look thinner without losing weight, by having a bit more muscle and a bit less fat. This is one of the effects of training, I think.
What's the betting I go for pie afterwards?
Click on the "calories over time" link on Livestrong. It's under the Tools heading on the righthand sidebar on the MyPlate page, and has a green tick next to it. I then screengrabbed it and put it on thumbsnaps.
I've decided to up my net calorie target to around 1800 from 1300. I've been feeling a bit mopy, tired, and always hungry. Also, trying to maintain 1300 a day after an audax is sheer hell.
I've decided to up my net calorie target to around 1800 from 1300. I've been feeling a bit mopy, tired, and always hungry. Also, trying to maintain 1300 a day after an audax is sheer hell.
I'm not surprised, 1300 sounds like the Bradley Wiggins TdF weight loss plan and even 1800 doesn't sound a lot for a cyclist of your stature, especially now the temperture is starting to drop.
I kinda don't believe what sporttrack tells me about the number of calories my commute takes...
I kinda don't believe what sporttrack tells me about the number of calories my commute takes...
You're wise not to trust the figures. If you enter "bicycling" on Livestrong as an exercise type, the options it gives you include:
"Bicycling: 12-14mph, leisure, moderate, 792cal/hour"
"Bicycling – 12-13.9mph (moderate) 599cal/hour"
Which one am I supposed to choose?
d.
Try here:
MyPlate - Food Diary & Food Calorie Counter | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/)
...managed to get 5000kcal in me during the 200km at the weekend.
Average Speed - Moving = 26.6kph
I've managed to drop 5 kg but not muscle mass, actually I have increased muscle mass.
I am now around 82kgs.
From the validation...Can someone check my Maths:
Distance = 209km [K]
Climbing = 1,917m
Duration = 9 hours 39 minutes [D]
Start Time = 31 Oct 2010 07:05:23
Finish Time = 31 Oct 2010 16:45:03
Average Speed - Overall = 21.7kph
Average Speed - Moving = 26.6kph [ASM]
Time At Rest = 2 hours 48 minutes
From the validation...Can someone check my Maths:
Distance = 209km [K]
Climbing = 1,917m
Duration = 9 hours 39 minutes [D]
Start Time = 31 Oct 2010 07:05:23
Finish Time = 31 Oct 2010 16:45:03
Average Speed - Overall = 21.7kph
Average Speed - Moving = 26.6kph [ASM]
Time At Rest = 2 hours 48 minutes
Time Moving [TM]= D-TR=6:51 or 6.85 hrs
Calculated distance=ASM*TM=182.21km
Event distance is 209km
74.5kg is not fatIt is if you're 4 feet tall.
74.5kg is not fat
I went back down to 69kg for no discernable reason. Weight is crap feedback for exercise / dietary behaviour in the short term. I've been chatting to the MRC group that did the cycling intervention meta-analysis this week. Hoping that in the new year I'll be in a position to tap a bunch of you guys up for some development work on a novel intervention that will support the long-term goal of cycling-mediated weight loss with short-term rewards.
But surely my ability to climb hills will improve as if by magic if i don't weigh so much???
74.5kg is not fat
Indeed. It puts my BMI at 22.5. It's still too heavy for an endurance athlete though. I was 68kg at the start of Mille Cymru and that makes a big difference to my climbing. I think that's about as light as I want to go.
73.7 this morning.
I don't feel faster, but my numbers suggest I might be a bit. What I do notice is that when I get to to the top of hills, I feel less ruined and recover quicker.
Yeah, but simon, you're a bloke.
Wimmin have more fat, we're supposed to.
Feline, how tall are you? Do the BMI thingy and if you're in the normal level stop worrying about the weight and work on the speed/strength. Push big gears, cross train, climb big hills, work work work, ride with faster people, all that stuff. The weight will take of itself, unless you're a greedy fat bloater which you'd have discovered before now.
Yeah, but simon, you're a bloke.
Wimmin have more fat, we're supposed to.
Yes - I realise this. Female athletes typically have 14-20% body fat; male 6-13%. I just managed to get down to 13%, not below.
Yes - I realise this. Female athletes typically have 14-20% body fat; male 6-13%. I just managed to get down to 13%, not below.
I am 22% fat. In recent times, I once managed to get it below 18% and friends and family started asking whispered questions.
"Is Chris OK?"
"Chris is looking ill, is he alright?"
I am 22% fat.
I'm 50% lard, and I can, when on form, whup your candy ass.
I am 22% fat.
I'm 50% lard, and I can, when on form, whup your candy ass.
Feline- forget the weight loss. Do the other stuff.
Instigating the thread is the easiest way to make sure I can find my entry easily to update it...
I'm about 80kg at the moment and want to be under 76.2 (12st) for PBP in August. 5kg or so in 33 weeks, that's simple enough...
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
That graph's going in the right sort of direction.
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)
The Three Musketeers - or something like that :thumbsup:
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)
The Three Musketeers - or something like that :thumbsup:
Let's show them how it's done :thumbsup:
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)
The Three Musketeers - or something like that :thumbsup:
Let's show them how it's done :thumbsup:
Bloody hell - I'm 115 kg too! I'd love to be 85kg. The last 6 weeks or so have been bad for me. they account for at least 5kg of the excess.
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)
The Three Musketeers - or something like that :thumbsup:
Let's show them how it's done :thumbsup:
Bloody hell - I'm 115 kg too! I'd love to be 85kg. The last 6 weeks or so have been bad for me. they account for at least 5kg of the excess.
Instigating the thread is the easiest way to make sure I can find my entry easily to update it...
I'm about 80kg at the moment and want to be under 76.2 (12st) for PBP in August. 5kg or so in 33 weeks, that's simple enough...
I thought you were aiming for the K&SW this year, in which case you'll be wanting to shed that 5kg sooner rather than later!
I forgot :-[. I'll have to do it tomorrow.
Dropping booze intake is where I expect most of my weight loss to come from.
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.
Good idea. I should adopt the same rule.
My wife gave up booze about five years ago so I don't drink nearly so much at home as I used to (a bottle of wine or two in the evening was a regular occurrence until she gave up) but I still find it hard to resist a wind-down beer after a hard day at work. :-\
d.
We don't have any bathroom scales. I found myself near the weighbridge in the hospital last night and made the mistake of getting on.
82kg! :'( :'(
No more Quality Street for Linda.
Yes, I get weighed on a weighbridge. :D
We don't have any bathroom scales. I found myself near the weighbridge in the hospital last night and made the mistake of getting on.
82kg! :'( :'(
No more Quality Street for Linda.
Yes, I get weighed on a weighbridge. :D
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.
The NHS Drinks Tracker app for the iPhone says only 2.1 units a day average for the last week (still 6.4/day average for the last 30 days though).
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.
Weigh daily then you might have a better chance of seeing the trend faster.
My weight loss is going cack so far, I have gone up 100g despite cycling 209 miles in a week!I always do :).
Can I claim hormonal fluid retention?
Muscles which are exercised more than normally may swell and absorb water...
Whoops. Have lost 7lb in 11 days. Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.
Whoops. Have lost 7lb in 11 days. Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.
How did you do that?
Whoops. Have lost 7lb in 11 days. Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.
How did you do that?
By eating less while still cycling 17 miles each day. By eating carefully, with plenty of fruit and vegetable intake and enough slow-release carb content to keep my energy levels up. All the boring stuff. It's just a matter of discipline, but it does help that I know I can do it, having done it before.
Back when I decided that I had to do something about having drifted slowly up to 15 stone, I switched to a very healthy diet, planned a careful exercise regime and lost four stone in eight months. It was a genuinely life-changing experience, which left me fitter than I had ever been in my life and with a new habit of setting and achieving goals. I stayed healthy, fit and active and I only drifted into being overweight again because I eventually decided to set goals based on something other than bodyweight (I moved on to strength training), partly to prove to myself and others that I hadn't strayed into anorexia.
I'll be increasing the calorie intake a notch to achieve a more sensible rate. In any case, in my experience you get the highest return from your efforts at the beginning, with diminishing returns as time goes on.
However, it's fairly common to lose a lot straight after christmas as you..ahem...."clear out" all those mince pies.
I'd be surprised if 17 miles a day would support the same weight loss over the next 11 days.
Much initial weight loss is glycogen and its associated water. Some may be muscle.
This amount of weight can quickly be regained when people 'break' their diet and a few pieces of toast may result in several pounds' weight gain.
I'm slowly and steady dropping pounds of fat, I need to get my high tech weight notes from last year to check how much,
but I know I have lost 17 kg fat since October 2010.
You should eat some (but not excessive) extra food on the days you do long rides. Suffering 'the bonk' is no fun.
You should eat some (but not excessive) extra food on the days you do long rides. Suffering 'the bonk' is no fun.
Unless you are used to it anyway.
I rode the first 150km of a blustery audax on Saturday, having eaten just a small bowl of cereal of breakfast, and a couple of digestives. My total input for the day was just over 2500kcals, and estimated burn was 4500kcals.
That said - at the 150km mark I did properly bonk, and had to resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration before I could carry on ;).
I only resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration when absolutely necessary, which is nearly always.
The problem I've found is that because I habitually do a lot of physical activity, I habitually eat like a pig. During December/ early January, I barely rode and managed to gain 4kg! OK, a big part of that was festive drinking + friend staying for 2 weeks and buying lots of beer. Still, I have been surprise at how quickly I can put the weight back on.
(lots of stuff)
(lots of stuff)
Okay, I get it now. Given you starting weight, it's also not so astounding - i.e. as a percentage. If I lost that much that quickly, I would be worried, given I am still not 10 stone, even being a stone more than I'd like.
The bonk can be nasty, but I wonder if it even comes close to a proper diabetic hypo?
The problem I've found is that because I habitually do a lot of physical activity, I habitually eat like a pig. During December/ early January, I barely rode and managed to gain 4kg! OK, a big part of that was festive drinking + friend staying for 2 weeks and buying lots of beer. Still, I have been surprise at how quickly I can put the weight back on.
This is a hidden gotcha in being fit and eating responsibly; the more you do of that, the more you train your body to process food efficiently. This means that you will gain more weight from a tub of ice cream or a cheeseburger than somebody who is overweight and unfit. You also need to expend more effort to lose the weight, although your fitness level should mean you don't find it nearly so much of a chore.
Thanks for that, Helen! Yes, although when the diabetic nurses spoke about this on the DAFNE course, they reckoned almost all non-alcohol-involved hypos, even severe ones requiring intervention, would probably be non-life threatening, and that they were to be avoided mostly because of the unconsciousness and loss of control. ISTR they brought up one murder case where a nurse injected her husband with 10ml of insulin (i.e. 1000 units) to kill him. A standard pizza requires around 8 units for the average person, by comparison.
I dunno though, I'm not an expert. I know I don't like hypos though. :D
There is another hormone called glucagon that does the opposite to insulin in the body. This I believe would prevent a full on hypoglycaemic coma in a non-diabetic person (unless, as Helly said, they are given a large overdose of insulin).
I'd suggest this phenomenon is more likely to be explained by the fact that an active person habitually maintains a dietary surplus (albiet one that is consumed by their daily activity), so when they "let their hair down" on the diet/exercise front, they could already be 500 kcal or more up on their maintenance requirements. Not so Joe Sofa, who doesn't exercise anyway and therefore can't slack in the same way.
I agree. The thought that someone can make more out of the same calories than someone else seems like perpetual motion.
If you think about it, a given cheeseburger has X amount of calories in it (you can even find out how much by combusting it and measuring the heat given off). Fat also contains a predefined amount of energy, ~3500 kcal per lb. From this we can see that it's really not possible for anyone to put on a different amount of weight from anyone else if they both eat an identical burger (over and above their notional "maintenance intake").
If they don't extract the calorific vale, where does it go to?
If they don't extract the calorific vale, where does it go to?
It goes to shit ;D
s a student when I was broke and hungry I used to do the Cadbury's Creme egg bet; get someone to bet me I couldnt eat 10 creme eggs in one go without vomiting and if I did they got to buy the Creme eggs. I could also do 5 king sized Mars bars. I knew I could easily eat them and more :smug: Despite all this gluttony I remained a size 8 no matter what I ate.
I used to preach a simplistic equation to my clients with obese pets: if you eat x and burn off y then you gain x-y in weight.
However over the years my experiences of dealing with this issue and working with so many different people and their pets (some in denial, some absolutely transparent weighing and recording everything) that I have come to realise that is really isn't that simple. I suppose there may be more genetic variation between my patients than there is between humans, but they definitely have different metabolic rates and different ways of dealing with whatever nutrition they are fed.
I used to preach a simplistic equation to my clients with obese pets: if you eat x and burn off y then you gain x-y in weight.
However over the years my experiences of dealing with this issue and working with so many different people and their pets (some in denial, some absolutely transparent weighing and recording everything) that I have come to realise that is really isn't that simple. I suppose there may be more genetic variation between my patients than there is between humans, but they definitely have different metabolic rates and different ways of dealing with whatever nutrition they are fed.
Exactly (and since you go on to mention metabolism), if you change the equation to:-
Eat: x
Burn off: y
Basal Metabolic Rate: z
diff = x - y - z
But you can't measure BMR easily, especially not in an animal. And, as you say, BMR is affected by lots of things.
I had a friend who was one of the 'eat anything, always skinny, lots of energy, didn't need much sleep, never felt the cold'. Classic hyperthyroid symptoms; unchecked it could have led to lots of problems in later life, luckily it was diagnosed and he was put on TSH suppressants.
Hypothyroidism (the opposite symptoms, plus a whole lot more) is surprisingly common and undiagnosed in huge numbers of the population (10% of women according to some estimates).
I am in the process of a de-clutter, and I found what we shall refer to as
The Motivational Picture.
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/bloater.jpg)
That smiling youngster is No1Son, and the babe in arms a 6 week old No2Daughter.
It's working wonders. I have completely lost my appetite. Even for Cake.
I am in the process of a de-clutter, and I found what we shall refer to as
The Motivational Picture.
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/bloater.jpg)
That smiling youngster is No1Son, and the babe in arms a 6 week old No2Daughter.
It's working wonders. I have completely lost my appetite. Even for Cake.
Awww your kids look very cute, no one is supposed to be skinny with a 6 week old baby you know!!!
Until today 1 I've had no 'treats' at work (no cakes for birthdays, nothing from the sweetie machine).
This year we have already had more alcohol free days than we managed in the whole of last year.
I am trying very hard to stick to the Weight Watchers diet plan we successfully used last time
So why am I not losing weight. ???
I'm guessing that in both indulging in treats and having come off the diet plan, you were putting it back on again, even if slowly; I apologise if that's wrong.Oh yes, much more sensible than we used to be. Eight years ago I was 17 stone. Over six months or so I managed to lose over five stone. A year later I was a hell of a lot fitter and feeling better than I had done for years. The trouble is that the weight is starting to creep up. I'm now thirteen-nine and would like to get back to under twelve. MrsC also wants to lose weight, but her current job isn't helping. Lots of travelling and nights away.
How did your diet change after the weight watchers plan? Even though you had relaxed your regime, were you still eating more sensibly than you had been pre-plan?
Up a kilo! How did that happen? :facepalm:
Up a kilo! How did that happen? :facepalm:
How often do you weigh yourself? While daily is probably too often unless you have a lot of discipline, weekly is, I think, too little; the problem is that your bodyweight can vary by more than a kilo during the day as you eat, drink and excrete. If you weigh yourself every two or three days, blips will show up as blips. If you weigh yourself only once a week, you can be waiting a long time for an accurate picture.
I bought some fat calipers. Interestingly, they give the same reading as the Tanita scales that use the daft impedance method.
Either way, the reading is too much. Way too much.
Leaving aside the whole "fixating on weight" argument, I think the only reason to weigh yourself often (like more frequently than once a month) is if you are in any doubt about your weight loss strategy.
Weight loss comes from a daily calorie deficit. If you're confident in your calorie deficit monitoring and strategy, there's no need to weigh that frequently.
Most people want to lose fat, not necessarily weight. Typically, one would fat monitor infrequently - once a month at most.
This is tough if you need feedback to drive motivation - but therein lies the trap, because fat loss happens quite slowly, and you just don't get good feedback a lot of the time. It's a long term thing - engage a plan that works, and stick to it for weeks and weeks and weeks.
Leaving aside the whole "fixating on weight" argument, I think the only reason to weigh yourself often (like more frequently than once a month) is if you are in any doubt about your weight loss strategy.
Weight loss comes from a daily calorie deficit. If you're confident in your calorie deficit monitoring and strategy, there's no need to weigh that frequently.
Most people want to lose fat, not necessarily weight. Typically, one would fat monitor infrequently - once a month at most.
This is tough if you need feedback to drive motivation - but therein lies the trap, because fat loss happens quite slowly, and you just don't get good feedback a lot of the time. It's a long term thing - engage a plan that works, and stick to it for weeks and weeks and weeks.
People who weigh themselves more frequently lose more weight, though. (On average).
I have usually found it shifted faster than other fat but obviously, you are different.
Boring aerobic activity may help. (Walking type pace)
Good thread this. I wish I could find the motivation to lose weight, I just don't seem to have the desire or able to find it, whilst it makes me a right misery arse being a fatty it obviously doesn't upset me enough to make a serious effort to lose it other wise I would have done it by now.
Fair play to those that can do it, it's no mean feat, I seem to be one of those that puts weight on just by looking at a cake, I have clothes in about 5 different sizes :facepalm:
Oh yeah, it does upset me, but my point was it obviously doesn't upset me enough, otherwise I'd do something about it.
I think the main problem is that all the easy obvious things that you can cut down on or remove from your diet, I already don't eat. Don't eat cakes, chocolate, biscuits, crisps, chips, beer, fried food, takeaways etc etc...
I just like really good, proper, freshly prepared food and lots of it. Love lots of bread, pasta, rice, legumes etc which are all bad. I've tried eating smaller portions but more often to speed my metabolism up as I generally only eat one decent meal a day, but I couldn't hack it.
Basically, I can't be arsed.
Good god, having done pretty well so far and lost 2.5kg I have now gone up 0.4kg this week, I blame fluid retention ... again grrr.
I enjoy eating and I know I eat too much but I actually enjoy being slim more than I enjoy eating too much food.
Being off work, sore, unable to go out on my bike, is not helping.
I've rediscovered my HRM. Gonna try and put in some serious fat burner rides, not going above 125bpm unless absolutely necessary.
"Tell me, Monsieur Manotea, how often is it absolutely necessary to go above 125bpm?"
"Practically all the time"
I've rediscovered my HRM. Gonna try and put in some serious fat burner rides, not going above 125bpm unless absolutely necessary.
"Tell me, Monsieur Manotea, how often is it absolutely necessary to go above 125bpm?"
"Practically all the time"
125bpm??? :o
I can only ever manage that low when I'm freewheeling. And like you, I ride bikes that make that quite hard to do. You're either going to be incredibly slow, or you sir have had a heart transplant, and they used an elephant heart.
My max is around 180bpm.
Almost time for my V02 Max test (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39236.msg745880#msg745880)
Perhaps if I ask nicely. MattH may know. Sadly I was bumped off the programme for doping (antibiotics) in November before I did the lab test. I did a V02 Max test a few years back but my results were pathetic. I cling to the belief this was due to lack of practice riding turbo and being a bit lardy at the time.My max is around 180bpm.
Almost time for my V02 Max test (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39236.msg745880#msg745880)
Have fun! Hardest I've ever worked, it was. I got 4.05l/min. This gives a score of 56 at my current weight or 59.5 at 68kg like last summer. I suspect my absolute capacity was higher then so I may have nudged over 60. I really should do another test, and then an in-season one.
Do you also get other metrics like LT?
Perhaps if I ask nicely. MattH may know. Sadly I was bumped off the programme for doping (antibiotics) in November before I did the lab test. I did a V02 Max test a few years back but my results were pathetic. I cling to the belief this was due to lack of practice riding turbo and being a bit lardy at the time.My max is around 180bpm.
Almost time for my V02 Max test (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39236.msg745880#msg745880)
Have fun! Hardest I've ever worked, it was. I got 4.05l/min. This gives a score of 56 at my current weight or 59.5 at 68kg like last summer. I suspect my absolute capacity was higher then so I may have nudged over 60. I really should do another test, and then an in-season one.
Do you also get other metrics like LT?
OMG, this morning I reached 58.6kg, I had set my target to hit 58kg by June. Nearly 5kg lost in 7 weeks! However the problem is that to achieve that I have done absolutely nothing with my diet, just rode my bike. Have been putting away 2-3 bottles of wine a week, and eating plently of Cadbury's Creme eggs too. I've dropped back to a UK size 8 again. Now, I am impaled on the horns of a new dilemma, should I order my new Assos shorts in a size down? (I really need a 2nd pair, but the medium are now in danger of becoming too big for me).
The other thing is, if I am losing at this rate will it slow down? I don't care about becoming skinny, no one in my life gives a shit what I look like (it's the advantage of being single) but I don't want to lose muscle. I have never lost weight before without changing what I eat so I am in new territory here. I suppose the 880 miles I have ridden in 6 weeks is what's dong it :D
Welcome to the legendary Halls of Fathalla, where the once lardy move from worrying about losing weight and start worrying about ensuring they get enough to eat!
Unlike Hotel Caifornia, few check in and sadly, many don't stay long
OMG, this morning I reached 58.6kg, I had set my target to hit 58kg by June. Nearly 5kg lost in 7 weeks! However the problem is that to achieve that I have done absolutely nothing with my diet, just rode my bike. Have been putting away 2-3 bottles of wine a week, and eating plently of Cadbury's Creme eggs too. I've dropped back to a UK size 8 again. Now, I am impaled on the horns of a new dilemma, should I order my new Assos shorts in a size down? (I really need a 2nd pair, but the medium are now in danger of becoming too big for me).
The other thing is, if I am losing at this rate will it slow down? I don't care about becoming skinny, no one in my life gives a shit what I look like (it's the advantage of being single) but I don't want to lose muscle. I have never lost weight before without changing what I eat so I am in new territory here. I suppose the 880 miles I have ridden in 6 weeks is what's dong it :D
OMG, this morning I reached 58.6kg, I had set my target to hit 58kg by June. Nearly 5kg lost in 7 weeks! However the problem is that to achieve that I have done absolutely nothing with my diet, just rode my bike. Have been putting away 2-3 bottles of wine a week, and eating plently of Cadbury's Creme eggs too. I've dropped back to a UK size 8 again. Now, I am impaled on the horns of a new dilemma, should I order my new Assos shorts in a size down? (I really need a 2nd pair, but the medium are now in danger of becoming too big for me).
The other thing is, if I am losing at this rate will it slow down? I don't care about becoming skinny, no one in my life gives a shit what I look like (it's the advantage of being single) but I don't want to lose muscle. I have never lost weight before without changing what I eat so I am in new territory here. I suppose the 880 miles I have ridden in 6 weeks is what's dong it :D
When I started riding properly my weight dropped from 15 stone to 13 stone pretty much as you describe
I stopped loosing weight at 13 stone and it's very difficult to go any lower. So 15 to 13 was easy, 13 to 12 stone 7 lb is very very difficult
My waist size was up to 36"(or even 38") but now it is typically 34" with the occassional outbreak of 32". Some trousers are ok on the waist but my thighs don't fit in them
Get some cheap shorts (ie Lusso Coolmax) in an appropriate size for right now. Unless you see an absolute bargain on ebay of course :)
I am making slow progress on the graphing. It might be ready by the end of the year at this rate. ::-)
(It's actually not needing very much more work, it's just finding the time).
Oh, btw, Greenbank: I'm probably going to have to fiddle around to work-around your "PBP" entry in August. :P
Welcome to the legendary Halls of Fathalla, where the once lardy move from worrying about losing weight and start worrying about ensuring they get enough to eat!
Unlike Hotel California, few check in and sadly, many don't stay long
Downward trend begins, just have to keep it up and I'll get to the K&SW at the end of May the other side of 80kg.
Will you be doing it on fixed?
180 kcal per pint of 4% lager (roughly) which is 2.2 units of booze
Last week's booze intake (according to my NHS Drinks Tracker app on iPhone): 40 units (yes, I know...)
180 * 40 / 2.2 = 3272 kcal
So roughly the same number of calories as a pound of fat (3500kcal).
Will you be doing it on fixed?
No, fixed SR will be 'Uts 200, Invicta 300, Severn Across 400, PBP 1200.
If the forecast is good for the K&SW I'll take the Wilier, otherwise it'll be the Aravis Audax.
180 kcal per pint of 4% lager (roughly) which is 2.2 units of booze
Last week's booze intake (according to my NHS Drinks Tracker app on iPhone): 40 units (yes, I know...)
180 * 40 / 2.2 = 3272 kcal
So roughly the same number of calories as a pound of fat (3500kcal).
I'm surprised you could even see the iPhone to enter it. :demon:
Beware the calories and 'natural' sugar in pure fruit juice.
Think '10% sugar' every time you drink some and you won't be far wrong.
A 'Nutella glass' (200ml) of juice - small by cyclists' standards - contains around 20 grams of sugar.
If I were trying to lose weight, I would be very wary of smoothies. A little fruit pulp/fibre would not compensate for the calorie-laden things that find their way into some smoothies. Read labels obsessively and consider a smoothie a dessert, not a drink.
[Edit] A 250ml bottle of 'Innocent' Strawberry & Banana smoothie contains 36 grams of carbohydrate.
If I were trying to lose weight, I would be very wary of smoothies. A little fruit pulp/fibre would not compensate for the calorie-laden things that find their way into some smoothies. Read labels obsessively and consider a smoothie a dessert, not a drink.
[Edit] A 250ml bottle of 'Innocent' Strawberry & Banana smoothie contains 36 grams of carbohydrate.
They claim it counts as 2 of your 5 a day. A medium banana contains 27g carbs of which 14g are sugars. An apple contains 22g carbs of which 16g are sugars. Total sugar 30g between the two. Innocent smoothie: 26.5g sugars.
So it probably isn't really that bad from a sugar POV. However, there is still as not much fibre as you get in the apple + banana.
They claim it counts as 2 of your 5 a day.
They claim it counts as 2 of your 5 a day.
I don't think it should count as more than 1. I fear these claims lead some people to chugging smoothies and kidding themselves it's healthy.
Of course, the 5 from the DoH's 5-a-day campaign is an entirely arbitrary number, chosen not because it represents a useful threshold in terms of health protection but because it seemed achievable compared to the appallingly low amount of fresh frut and vegetables eaten by the British public. Most continental Europeans eat significantly more than that.
Three is sufficient for heart disease protection.
:sick: :sick:
GWS!
You're doing it all wrong.
4kg lost in 2 days. Stomach bug FTW.
You're doing it all wrong.
4kg lost in 2 days. Stomach bug FTW.
I wondered what had happened that you DNSed the 'Uts ride today. Other notable absentees were Jo and Fidgetbuzz.
a bit of a backlog, for want of a better term.
d.
a bit of a backlog, for want of a better term.
d.
:hand:
a bit of a backlog, for want of a better term.
I am pretty pleased that I hit my target 58kg this morning. I am trying to decide if it's a good idea to get down to 56kg as a new target, or keep that extra 2kg if possible to 'use up' on PBP. If In start it at 56 then there really wouldn't me much non-muscle flesh on me to draw on with a calorie deficit. Hmmm.
I am pretty pleased that I hit my target 58kg this morning. I am trying to decide if it's a good idea to get down to 56kg as a new target, or keep that extra 2kg if possible to 'use up' on PBP. If In start it at 56 then there really wouldn't me much non-muscle flesh on me to draw on with a calorie deficit. Hmmm.
I am pretty pleased that I hit my target 58kg this morning. I am trying to decide if it's a good idea to get down to 56kg as a new target, or keep that extra 2kg if possible to 'use up' on PBP. If In start it at 56 then there really wouldn't me much non-muscle flesh on me to draw on with a calorie deficit. Hmmm.
IME, in doing the training for Mille Cymru last year, losing weight was not a problem. In fact I had to eat shitloads during the week to make up for the weekend's riding.
There are potential issues with very low body fat - have you checked what your body fat % is?
That's pin thin! I'd advise against further weight loss.
That's pin thin! I'd advise against further weight loss.
I don't think I really look all that thin. I have just redistributed muffin top into muscle! I am not sure what would constitute a really low body fat %....
When I stick my measurements into a calculation site I get this:
When I stick my measurements into a calculation site I get this:
What type of measurements? If that's just height/weight/waist then it will just be a guess at your body fat percentage. Basing your perception of healthiness on a guess isn't a good idea, everyone is unique.
Unless you're using fat calipers or some other way of measuring fat (accurately) then I'd be wary of anything telling you your body fat percentage.
That's pin thin! I'd advise against further weight loss.
I don't think I really look all that thin. I have just redistributed muffin top into muscle! I am not sure what would constitute a really low body fat %....
The web says female athlete cyclists have 15-20% body fat. You're already there.
Increased exercise but increased foot consumption to compensate.
Increased exercise but increased footd consumption to compensate.
Slowly cutting back on food, should also be back to 5 days a week cycle commuting as of next week, that'll help a lot.
At a rate of ~1 lb/week I should only start to worry near the end of May if I want to hit my PBP target. This coincides with the insanity of 600km in Devon and Cornwall, so I hope to be a bit lighter by then anyway. (And April will have ~1000km of cycling...)
188cm, 80.5kg and 18% body fat according to my salter body analyser scales..... Think I need to cut down on the cakes..... :facepalm:
188cm, 80.5kg and 18% body fat according to my salter body analyser scales..... Think I need to cut down on the cakes..... :facepalm:
No, it's a pernicious 2-3 beers/cans a night thing.
I've slipped back into the 'have a beer to wind down after work' mode, need to replace it with water/juice.
No, it's a pernicious 2-3 beers/cans a night thing.
I've slipped back into the 'have a beer to wind down after work' mode, need to replace it with water/juice.
4 units in the last 4 days. Much better.
What food and drink do you people have on a cafe' stop?I am sticking to a proper weight loss diet,but what to eat on the typical cafe' stop?
One issue I've noticed is that the colour choices for some of the lines are poor; in particular lindagordinho seems to be rendered white-on-white; some of the others are very close to white. This is automatic within gnuplot and a bit annoying that the png terminal's defaults do this. :(
I think there's a work-around, specifying linetype explictly and skipping values in the list which don't render well. It's really the sort of thing that the authors of gnuplot should have sorted out a long time ago, IMO
What food and drink do you people have on a cafe' stop?I am sticking to a proper weight loss diet,but what to eat on the typical cafe' stop?
I like this reply,yet another reason to ride the bike.What food and drink do you people have on a cafe' stop?I am sticking to a proper weight loss diet,but what to eat on the typical cafe' stop?
Whatever I feel like.
When I'm on a ride there are usually no food rules, other than eat enough to keep going, and have something enjoyable. For weight loss, my rules are for all other meal times.
YMMV
What food and drink do you people have on a cafe' stop?I am sticking to a proper weight loss diet,but what to eat on the typical cafe' stop?When I'm riding I eat whatever I feel like - any thoughts on what's good for my diet go out of the window. Do you seroiusly expect me to go on a forum ride, for example, and reject CrinklyLion's cake as not on the approved foods list? :o
98.7 kg!! my first 2-figure weight in 8 years!
I've always wondered why some people put on weight easier/quicker than others? what's the science behind that?
I've always wondered why some people put on weight easier/quicker than others? what's the science behind that?
Back on the straight and narrow tomorrow!
Graphs now have absolute and % change.
Graphs now have absolute and % change.
Thanks for that.
Back on the straight and narrow tomorrow!
??!!?? :o ;) ;D
I never thought of you as straight or narrow...
I've lost quite a bit since christmas with the amount of riding I'm doing - down to 15 stone from 16. My BMI category is now merely overweight as opposed to obese! :P
I'm 71kg. D'oh! Reckon all this fixed riding is building muscle. That must be it. Right?
::-)
I'm 71kg. D'oh! Reckon all this fixed riding is building muscle. That must be it. Right?
::-)
Metabolic rubbish left in your legs from the weekend? My weight is up too - but BF% is waaaay down which means the Tanita scales are getting confused by post-audax legs.
the answer to this question is possibly burried in this thread somewhere ......I consistently find that my weight goes up by several pounds post audax and after a few day drops back to pre-ride weight or a net loss. I know i eat alot on the rides but not that much!! any ideas / answers?
the answer to this question is possibly burried in this thread somewhere ......I consistently find that my weight goes up by several pounds post audax and after a few day drops back to pre-ride weight or a net loss. I know i eat alot on the rides but not that much!! any ideas / answers?
I've lost quite a bit since christmas with the amount of riding I'm doing - down to 15 stone from 16. My BMI category is now merely overweight as opposed to obese! :P
the answer to this question is possibly burried in this thread somewhere ......I consistently find that my weight goes up by several pounds post audax and after a few day drops back to pre-ride weight or a net loss. I know i eat alot on the rides but not that much!! any ideas / answers?
the answer to this question is possibly burried in this thread somewhere ......I consistently find that my weight goes up by several pounds post audax and after a few day drops back to pre-ride weight or a net loss. I know i eat alot on the rides but not that much!! any ideas / answers?
'Injured' muscles swell and absorb water, which they lose as they recover.
Rebuilding glycogen stores also increases overall weight, as there's about 4 grams of water on each gram of glycogen. Body glycogen stores are around 400 grams, so that's around 1.5 litres water to 'weigh you down'.
The effect is more marked if youve had a chest infection or flu on the ride (yeah we all know you shouldn't go with these; it's due to ADH secretion.)). I've had a 4 kg shift - gain then loss - in the week following a 300k.
I've been getting back into this - down from 90.1 to 86.3 kg a few weeks. This is despite aiming for a target intake that should see a loss of a more sensible 0.5 kg or so a week.
A few days of diligent app-aided calorie counting at the start was educational. I've just naturally stopped wanting to eat any or as much of certain things having seen the numbers. Take-away food of almost any kind and ready-to-heat anything are out, or need to be earned with some bike miles. In the case of a Domino's pizza, a lot of miles - see their website for an eye-opener.
I've been getting back into this - down from 90.1 to 86.3 kg a few weeks. This is despite aiming for a target intake that should see a loss of a more sensible 0.5 kg or so a week.
A few days of diligent app-aided calorie counting at the start was educational. I've just naturally stopped wanting to eat any or as much of certain things having seen the numbers. Take-away food of almost any kind and ready-to-heat anything are out, or need to be earned with some bike miles. In the case of a Domino's pizza, a lot of miles - see their website for an eye-opener.
This is the thing with calorie counting - you don’t need to do it all the time, once you recalibrate your eating habits.
I've been getting back into this - down from 90.1 to 86.3 kg a few weeks. This is despite aiming for a target intake that should see a loss of a more sensible 0.5 kg or so a week.
A few days of diligent app-aided calorie counting at the start was educational. I've just naturally stopped wanting to eat any or as much of certain things having seen the numbers. Take-away food of almost any kind and ready-to-heat anything are out, or need to be earned with some bike miles. In the case of a Domino's pizza, a lot of miles - see their website for an eye-opener.
This is the thing with calorie counting - you don’t need to do it all the time, once you recalibrate your eating habits.
I think I have recalibrated my eating habits to mahoosive! I dread to think what's going to happen if I ever decrease my mileage!
This morning I have put on a pair of Rohans that have a little slack in the waist...Last time I wore them about a month ago there was a little jogler-overspill in that region :)
Don't ask me how I know this...
86.0 kg today.
A few things I am noticing from this food diary business:
- too much of my energy comes from fat
- too much of my fat comes from chocolate - in fact, on most days chocolate, If I've had any (which is rather often) is my biggest single source of fat
- fat or chocolate or not, 8 out of 10 days I'm within my calorie limit
- my worst enemy with all this is bad eating habits: getting too hungry too late in the day to get stuck into cooking properly hence a temptation to eat relative crap.
The app / website that I'm using doesn't give me that info directly, but working it out on the basis of 9 cal / g fat, it varies from 25% to over 40%.
- my worst enemy with all this is bad eating habits: getting too hungry too late in the day to get stuck into cooking properly hence a temptation to eat relative crap.
I need a belt or braces for all my trousers. :o Something is occurring but I don't know whatorwhy 'cause I'm not weight watching ???
I iz :smug: bastard
however
I'm still the thick end of 20kg heavier than I used to be & measure speed uphills in minutes per metre ::-)
try doing what I do - make a large quantity
the occasional couple of chocolate digestives excepted
the occasional couple of chocolate digestives excepted
I can't have a couple of chocolate digos: it's the entire packet or none at all ::-)
I can't do willpower either.
nice ice cream, crisps/nuts, spirits, posh biscuits,
a dangerous combination
I don't have nice ice cream, crisps/nuts, spirits, posh biscuits, etc in the house.
I don't have nice ice cream, crisps/nuts, spirits, posh biscuits, etc in the house.
neither do we, 20 mins after the mrs gets in with the shopping :demon:
It's not so much not being able to resist as not being allowed to. :-\
d.
neither do we 20 mins after my son & his family arrive ;)
;D
I bet that arm twisting really hurts ;D
neither do we 20 mins after my son & his family arrive ;)
;D
We're only thinking of you, it's for your own good after all ;)
It's quite difficult to have a low calorie breakfast. F'rinstance, 2 oatibix + SS milk + a few toasted almonds and a couple of dried apricots, preceded by 250 ml of fresh orange juice, is over 500 Cal.
It's quite difficult to have a low calorie breakfast. F'rinstance, 2 oatibix + SS milk + a few toasted almonds and a couple of dried apricots, preceded by 250 ml of fresh orange juice, is over 500 Cal.
250ml orange juice = 125 kcal.
Think about this.
250ml orange juice = 125 kcal.
Think about this.
True, but I have to have my OJ in the morning. I'm being quite good keeping it to 250 ml - my usual would be 350.
PBP is over 12 weeks away so I need to maintain ~0.5kg a week weight loss, that's ~500kcal a day deficit.
Wow my weight has dropped to 56.2kg (over 1 kg) 24 hours after finishing a 400!
I wonder if this will go back up again over the next few days. I had been managing to maintain a fairly stable weight since reaching a bit under my initial target. If I get to 54kg I will be the same as I was aged 18 :o
Wow my weight has dropped to 56.2kg (over 1 kg) 24 hours after finishing a 400!
I wonder if this will go back up again over the next few days. I had been managing to maintain a fairly stable weight since reaching a bit under my initial target. If I get to 54kg I will be the same as I was aged 18 :o
I weighed myself earlier - 70.5kg. When I was 18 I, too, was 54kg…
The body fat scales said 14% fat. This is unlike post-Elenith where they claimed 7.5%. Legs full of water no doubt after that.
They have a metric called “metabolic age”. Sounds like bollocks, but the number it gave was 20. I think that’s the lowest I’ve seen.
Wow my weight has dropped to 56.2kg (over 1 kg) 24 hours after finishing a 400!
I wonder if this will go back up again over the next few days. I had been managing to maintain a fairly stable weight since reaching a bit under my initial target. If I get to 54kg I will be the same as I was aged 18 :o
I weighed myself earlier - 70.5kg. When I was 18 I, too, was 54kg…
The body fat scales said 14% fat. This is unlike post-Elenith where they claimed 7.5%. Legs full of water no doubt after that.
They have a metric called “metabolic age”. Sounds like bollocks, but the number it gave was 20. I think that’s the lowest I’ve seen.
Any idea what my body fat would be likely to be given I'm 5'8" female and 40?
I suspect I might be considered clinically underweight now but IMO I'm not it's just the shape I was born to be really.
3½ lbs off last week - which means I've lost the 2½lbs I put on whilst gorging myself on holiday. Only another 1lb and I'll be 3 stone lighter than I was in the middle of January. :thumbsup:
After my somewhat demanding experience of the Brian Chapman over the weekend, I've managed to lose 3.5kg in two days. If only there was a way of keeping it there over the next week or so.
Thanks. Yes I do realise that 3.5 kgs of fat cannot magically disappear over a weekend. I will be doing my best to ensure that nothing like that ever happens again. I was surprised though at how a body under stress can still deliver the goods when it has to.
Graphs now have absolute and % change.
Thanks for that.
No problem. I think I need to split the graphs up. Splitting them into two subsets based on above/below median weight for instance. Each week, when people update their weights, they can move between the upper and lower divisions. :)
Also, I could add BMI. It would need to know the user’s height (in cm, I suggest, for simplicity). This would be done by simply putting ‘height=NNcm’ in the body of the post (outside the table).
Graphs now have absolute and % change.
Thanks for that.
No problem. I think I need to split the graphs up. Splitting them into two subsets based on above/below median weight for instance. Each week, when people update their weights, they can move between the upper and lower divisions. :)
Also, I could add BMI. It would need to know the user’s height (in cm, I suggest, for simplicity). This would be done by simply putting ‘height=NNcm’ in the body of the post (outside the table).
Right, this is implemented. So far Feline’s BMI curve is looking a bit lonely. Feel free to join her. :)
I'm just starting on the long road that Reg's a fair way down
If you're happy with 1% fat milk, fine. Just bear in mind it contains only 6 grams less fat than semi-skimmed per pint and that if you only drink half a pint of milk per day, you'd reduce your fat intake by a whopping three grams.
;) ;D
Fine. I only have half a pint of milk daily anyway.
Half-fat mozzarella would save this amount of fat in a 10g portion.
I know it isn't much (although I do get through at least 500 ml /day), but my thinking is that if it is just as palatable as milk that has twice as much fat, and it's the kind of fat I want to have less of...
Edit: I should add that I can't stand skimmed milk.
I know it isn't much (although I do get through at least 500 ml /day), but my thinking is that if it is just as palatable as milk that has twice as much fat, and it's the kind of fat I want to have less of...
Edit: I should add that I can't stand skimmed milk.
I also used to hate skimmed milk but, with a bit of effort, I now like the stuff and prefer it to semi-skimmed. If I have full-fat in tea, I find it a bit gross. It's OK in coffee although I use skimmed at home and I generally ask for it (skimmed) in coffee shops as well.
I think that the break-through for me was having it in porridge with honey; the honey made it seem creamier.
So you replaced 2 grams of fat in your porridge with 5 grams of sugar? That may not save any calories...
Porridge for me is made with salt and water, not milk. Not sure that’s healthier, but it’s this: correct. :smug:
I add a small amount of milk to eat it with, and a small amount of honey. I doubt that in 80g of oats 100ml milk and 15g honey is really going to make much difference.
Best way to eat oats is to soak them overnight in sweetened soya milk
Porridge for me is made with salt and water, not milk. Not sure that’s healthier, but it’s this: correct. :smug:
porridge with milk is a soft southern affectation
Sweetened soya milk is comparible to semi skimmed in terms of carbs/protein/fat, but has less calories and tastes much, much nicer to me.
Best way to eat oats is to soak them overnight in sweetened soya milk
I'll try that.
Best way to eat oats is to soak them overnight in sweetened soya milk
I'll try that.Porridge for me is made with salt and water, not milk. Not sure that’s healthier, but it’s this: correct. :smug:
It always seems harder to get down me when made with water. How much salt are you adding, BTW, per bowl of porridge?
If you are watching your salt intake, beware bread and manufactured breakfast cereals like cornflakes.
If you are watching your salt intake, beware bread and manufactured breakfast cereals like cornflakes.
Indeed. Though putting in all the data on Livestrong suggested I was on average OK.
I do like my toast, but stay away from cornflakes and similar. Weetabix isn’t too bad. The muesli I have contains 0.05g sodium per 100g which is very low.
I’ve started using microwave bagged brown basmati rice for convenience. But it contains added salt. Brown rice has plenty flavour already. :facepalm:
If you are watching your salt intake, beware bread and manufactured breakfast cereals like cornflakes.
Indeed. Though putting in all the data on Livestrong suggested I was on average OK.
I do like my toast, but stay away from cornflakes and similar. Weetabix isn’t too bad. The muesli I have contains 0.05g sodium per 100g which is very low.
I’ve started using microwave bagged brown basmati rice for convenience. But it contains added salt. Brown rice has plenty flavour already. :facepalm:
Is porridge OK? I'm tending to eat more of that these days, and I don't add any salt to it.
On the weight topic, I’ve not cycled all week (since Monday). Getting fat. :(
Porridge is fine.
Manufactured means produced in a factory wiv added salt'n'sugar'n'vitamins'n'fings.
:o
Microwave!
Bet you don't even have a spurtle either. ::-)
Jordan's is what I use. They have no added salt. There is a trace amount of naturally occurring salt in oats but it's trivial.
I'm using real porridge, Jordan's which claims it's only ingredient is British oats. I'm assuming this won't have salt or anything in it. All I need to do now is work out a way of microwaving the stuff without boiling it over!
I'm using real porridge, Jordan's which claims it's only ingredient is British oats. I'm assuming this won't have salt or anything in it. All I need to do now is work out a way of microwaving the stuff without boiling it over!
Work out exactly what quantities are needed.
Put into bowl with straight sloping sides. \___/
Zap 30s whilst observing closely.
Repeat 30s zaps.
Record total zaptime.
My partner get microwave porridge most days and it seldom boils over.
I'm loving making porridge on my new induction cooker.
And scrambled eggs. Less of a tendency to turn into a big amorphous lump than with microwaving, and easier cleaning of a nonstick pan than a glass bowl.
I'm loving making porridge on my new induction cooker.
And scrambled eggs. Less of a tendency to turn into a big amorphous lump than with microwaving, and easier cleaning of a nonstick pan than a glass bowl.
...egg frisbee ...
...egg frisbee ...
Round here, we call those things omelettes.
I had to Google spurtle to find out what it was
It’s only 36 calories, per pint, but that’s 1/5 of the calorie deficit I’d be looking for if trying to gradually lose weight.'
For the same reason I have half fat mozzarella cheese. Lower calories, lower saturated fat, and all the protein.
I had to Google spurtle to find out what it was
How many NSFW links did you have to skip before you found the right definition?It’s only 36 calories, per pint, but that’s 1/5 of the calorie deficit I’d be looking for if trying to gradually lose weight.'
For the same reason I have half fat mozzarella cheese. Lower calories, lower saturated fat, and all the protein.
Do you generally try to cut the fat content of your meals? I think it's generally better to look at the overall calorie content. Fat is very necessary for health and also helps make you feel full. People on low fat diets often have terrible hunger cravings and tend to crash and binge.
You also get a pretty good glimpse at Fitzgerald’s dietary philosophy which coincidentally meshes pretty well with mine: eat a diet with lots of fruits, vegetables, and lean proteins as well as a smattering of low fat dairy and healthy fats while avoiding refined carbs, sweets, and fried foods.
QuoteYou also get a pretty good glimpse at Fitzgerald’s dietary philosophy which coincidentally meshes pretty well with mine: eat a diet with lots of fruits, vegetables, and lean proteins as well as a smattering of low fat dairy and healthy fats while avoiding refined carbs, sweets, and fried foods.
I am making slow progress on the graphing. It might be ready by the end of the year at this rate. ::-)
(It's actually not needing very much more work, it's just finding the time).
Oh, btw, Greenbank: I'm probably going to have to fiddle around to work-around your "PBP" entry in August. :P
He's not the only one doing it
81.7 kg today. That's getting on for a 10 kg loss :)
I'd say I am eating very well indeed - just making more careful choices and totting up the intake as I go. 1850 Cal / day is not exactly arduous. I still get to do the odd chocolate low-grade pig-out.
I'll re-adjust my target to 80 kg and I think that'll do.
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?
I don't think it's possible to be scrawny and have muscles.
Although I've lost a heap of weight I don't think I look thin or scrawny at the moment, in fact I'm not exactly sure which bit of me the weight has come off from :-\
I don't really get what my weight is doing at the moment, I've done relatively few miles in the past 2 weeks as I rest my hand, eaten plenty (although mostly healthy stuff) and yet a decade low of 56.2kg this morning.
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?
Although my mileage only has me around 20 or so on yacf BikeJournal, I do as much time skating again, and it seems much more effective than cycling at burning off weight, despite being at a lower intensity.
Although my mileage only has me around 20 or so on yacf BikeJournal, I do as much time skating again, and it seems much more effective than cycling at burning off weight, despite being at a lower intensity.
Low intensity exertion is probably a better way of losing weight than high intensity exercise. Though fewer calories are burnt, the proportion of fat is higher and the blood sugar glycogen thing swings less, which does not stimulate TEH HUNGER so much.
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?
Well, my BMI is 19, or thereabouts. Nobody has called me scrawny, at least not to my face. Only positive comments (BMI was over 26 a couple of years ago). Got my calorie balance pretty sorted - weight has been stable for a while, despite fluctuating distance ridden.
I don't think you look scrawny. Lean, yes.
At what point does being thin become being scrawny?
Well, my BMI is 19, or thereabouts. Nobody has called me scrawny, at least not to my face. Only positive comments (BMI was over 26 a couple of years ago). Got my calorie balance pretty sorted - weight has been stable for a while, despite fluctuating distance ridden.
I don't think you look scrawny. Lean, yes.
Riding fixed has changed some things. My weight is constant but my thighs are bigger/more defined. The question is: what's got smaller?
Edit: thighs are 58cm used to be 57cm. Back of fag packet calc suggests extra 0.5-1kg weigh there. Calves seem bigger too, not sure how much. Waist down from 34" to 32-33". Weight down from lifetime peak of 76kg to 70kg now. I think it's my arms that are scrawny not my legs.
I guess the answer to disproportionately building leg muscles is to do some non-cycling upper body strength exercises. When I used to go to the gym in the dim and distant past I tended to avoid those machines because I don't particularly want muscley arms. I just did the ones that toned abs. Having said that I don't want to get saggy bat wings as I get older either!
The last time I went to the gym and did upper body work was nearly 4 weeks ago. I think I rowed 700km in the last season, and routinely swimming 1-2km per week. Plus my abs + core routine I've been doing.
All of that has been on hold since the wrist injury.
The last time I went to the gym and did upper body work was nearly 4 weeks ago. I think I rowed 700km in the last season, and routinely swimming 1-2km per week. Plus my abs + core routine I've been doing.
All of that has been on hold since the wrist injury.
To make the muscles bigger you would probably need to do the bench press type stuff, but this would be a distinctly BAD IDEA just at the moment until your wrist gets better.
Having said that, does it matter if you don't conform to the sterotypical captain caveman body shape?
Mine is generally doing what it's told at the moment, except that I cannot open tins. I might have to invest in an electric tin opener. I had to add a large pair of mole grips to the opener to get the leverage yesterday :facepalm:
The last time I went to the gym and did upper body work was nearly 4 weeks ago. I think I rowed 700km in the last season, and routinely swimming 1-2km per week. Plus my abs + core routine I've been doing.
All of that has been on hold since the wrist injury.
To make the muscles bigger you would probably need to do the bench press type stuff, but this would be a distinctly BAD IDEA just at the moment until your wrist gets better.
Having said that, does it matter if you don't conform to the sterotypical captain caveman body shape?
Well, that's not really the target. Well-toned is more of the goal. Skinny arms on flabby torso = :sick:QuoteMine is generally doing what it's told at the moment, except that I cannot open tins. I might have to invest in an electric tin opener. I had to add a large pair of mole grips to the opener to get the leverage yesterday :facepalm:
Is your median nerve function improving at all?
Mine is generally doing what it's told at the moment, except that I cannot open tins. I might have to invest in an electric tin opener. I had to add a large pair of mole grips to the opener to get the leverage yesterday :facepalm:
TBH I'm not sure if it's just the median or the ulnar as well. I can't do any twisting movement though. I have to reach over and start my car with my right hand. I have found a way round this to operate my shifters which I can do on a 600 if it comes to it. I can change to a higher gear with a single click but can't do a double still. I have kinda written off the nerve function and know I could ride PBP without it though ???
Mine is generally doing what it's told at the moment, except that I cannot open tins. I might have to invest in an electric tin opener. I had to add a large pair of mole grips to the opener to get the leverage yesterday :facepalm:
TBH I'm not sure if it's just the median or the ulnar as well. I can't do any twisting movement though. I have to reach over and start my car with my right hand. I have found a way round this to operate my shifters which I can do on a 600 if it comes to it. I can change to a higher gear with a single click but can't do a double still. I have kinda written off the nerve function and know I could ride PBP without it though ???
Twisting movements are innervated way above the wrist.
If you're having problems with this, the damage is to the nerve or muscle much higher up.
It might be worth seeking professional help about this soon. The biceps muscle is one of the most powerful supinator muscles; is your problem pain or inability to twist?
Bingo wings come from fat and loose skin.Damn! I'm doomed. Mind you, in my family bingo wings do seem to be born, not made...
You won't get them if you don't get a fat body, fat arms and then lose much weight.
It doesn't actually hurt at all. I just have a complete inability to twist at all. Today I triecd to clean the bathroom and couldn't open the childproof bleach, I had to ask my daughter to do it for me ;D Applying pressure and then twisting is impossible.
"Hi there.
...obvious n+1 opportunity... recumbent.... fast one... medical justification... speak to Kevin at Dtek asap.... those bachettas look fast....
Get well soon!"
It doesn't actually hurt at all. I just have a complete inability to twist at all. Today I triecd to clean the bathroom and couldn't open the childproof bleach, I had to ask my daughter to do it for me ;D Applying pressure and then twisting is impossible.
i've given this to read to mrs z who among other things is a hand surgery registrar, and here is her opinion:
"Hi there.
Judging by the mechanism of injury, you shouldn't have damaged any of your wrist suppinators/flexors/extensors or any nerves that supply them.
You have squashed your median nerve - hence the tingling in the thumb, index and middle fingers (this is the sensory part of this nerve, the ring and little fingers are supplied by the ulnar nerve, which also often gets injured while cycling). The condition is called neuropraxia - essentially means bruising and swelling of the nerve, which can persist for weeks to months and generally a complete recovery is expected, provided the causative element is eliminated.
The median nerve (as well as ulnar nerve) also gives out a motor branch (called recurrent branch of the median n.) just distal to/within the carpal tunnel which supplies the muscles of thenar eminence. Those are responsible for opposition/flexion and partially abduction of the thumb in relation to other digits. So squashing this branch would explain the weakness in not being able to grip or twist things (essentially - most of small movements of the hand). The motor nerves take longer to recover and might on occasions leave some residual weakness, in severe cases leading to thenar eminence wasting (in a very advanced stage though). I suspect you may also have compressed your ulnar nerve, which would explain weak adduction of the thumb as in gripping things with your thumb and index finger, however you only mentioned sensory loss in the median n distribution, so this is doubtful.
If you still have persistent weakness of the small movements of your hand, I would strongly recommend not to take any longer rides until completely recovered as it is very likely to make it worse and may result in permanent damage, will also lead to developing carpal tunnel syndrome in the long run.
Get well soon!"
maybe this post should be moved to the original "wrist problem" thread.
Thanks Z and Mrs Z for this. Sounds like that's what I have done. Avoiding longer rides could be a real problem ... my 600 is next weekend and then there's that little ride in France I'm planning!
It doesn't actually hurt at all. I just have a complete inability to twist at all. Today I triecd to clean the bathroom and couldn't open the childproof bleach, I had to ask my daughter to do it for me ;D Applying pressure and then twisting is impossible.
i've given this to read to mrs z who among other things is a hand surgery registrar, and here is her opinion:
"Hi there.
...
If you still have persistent weakness of the small movements of your hand, I would strongly recommend not to take any longer rides until completely recovered as it is very likely to make it worse and may result in permanent damage, will also lead to developing carpal tunnel syndrome in the long run.
Get well soon!"
maybe this post should be moved to the original "wrist problem" thread.
Thanks Z and Mrs Z for this. Sounds like that's what I have done. Avoiding longer rides could be a real problem ... my 600 is next weekend and then there's that little ride in France I'm planning!
Thanks Z and Mrs Z for this. Sounds like that's what I have done. Avoiding longer rides could be a real problem ... my 600 is next weekend and then there's that little ride in France I'm planning!
There is no mention of any steps you have taken to ease the problem while riding. Different mitts have more gel in than others. I use Specialized mitts and have a double layer of gel that came with Fizik bar tape to stop this. You can also get bars with flat tops see
Wiggle | FSA Wing Pro Compact Road Handlebar Road Handlebars
(http://www.wiggle.co.uk/fsa-wing-pro-compact-road-handlebar/)
By the sounds to this you need to take some action.
Also consider your position on the bike. Do you find your shoulders getting stressed on long rides? Could be a result of too much pressure on the hands. Longer term a saddle position change. I had a friend who complained of this and his saddle tilted nose down. He dropped is saddle a little and this allowed him to have a flat saddle and hey presto his hand numbness stopped.
Hope you dins a solution soon.
BB
Feline - I think you also need to ask yourself how much it bothers you. The loss of movement is more of a PITA than the sensation I imagine.
Personally, I frequently lose sensation in my hands through nerve compression & banging my elbows etc. People find the paper cup test amusing - I can't hold a paper cup properly unless I'm looking at it because I have no idea if I have hold of it; too little pressure and I'll drop it, but too much and I crush it. If I'm looking at it, it's fine.
At the moment, I have pins & needles down my entire right arm (shoulder to fingers) following an RTA (3 weeks ago). It doesn't bother me too much as it doesn't actually hurt, it's just weird. I've got reasonable movement, so I'm not worried unless it persists for a longer time.
in the last 18 weeks I've only put on or stayed the same twice.
in the last 18 weeks I've only put on or stayed the same twice.
Very consistent. I gained for the first time since starting this >:( 0.4 kg up. No mystery to it - the control slipped and there were a couple of days when I ate well over my limit.
in the last 18 weeks I've only put on or stayed the same twice.
Very consistent. I gained for the first time since starting this >:( 0.4 kg up. No mystery to it - the control slipped and there were a couple of days when I ate well over my limit.
Looking at the graphs you're doing incredibly well TBH.
I've dropped 3kg over the last couple of weeks - repeatedly forgetting to eat works pretty well. I've reached my PBP target weight now, which is also the weight at which my body starts insisting that it needs food, so I'll probably stop dropping.
Looking at the graphs you're doing incredibly well TBH.
Wiggins is 10cm taller and at 72kgs - so that is something to aim for ;D
I counted my commute as estimated on Livestrong and it wasn't stopping me losing weight. In fact I was counting a lot more distance than my commute.
I would experiment with counting them an see what happens. You have found you are getting hungry which IMO shows that now you've lost a fair bit of fat and your body is starting to notice. You don't need to lose weight at the rate you have been so don't try to maintain it.
My weight has dipped to below 90kg for the first time since before last Xmas :)
My target is 68kg. Last two weeks I’ve been at that weight on wednesday. I actually went as low as 66.7 at the weekend.
My target is 68kg. Last two weeks I’ve been at that weight on wednesday. I actually went as low as 66.7 at the weekend.
Did you get lots of exercise at the weekend?
Up 3kg! Jeeze, I must have eaten like a bastard on that 600km. Boab - your cake is dangerous!
you'll probably lose 2kg over the next fortnight with little/no effort. Fret not!
Up 3kg! Jeeze, I must have eaten like a bastard on that 600km. Boab - your cake is dangerous!
I've explained before why and how this happens; you'll probably lose 2kg over the next fortnight with little/no effort. Fret not!
you'll probably lose 2kg over the next fortnight with little/no effort. Fret not!
Oh - I do want to believe you Helly, believe me I do. However 2 days of inattention/losing it and pigging out and I can put on 1.5 to 2kg. This will take me 2 months to shift. Its easy when I'm way above my target weight, but the closer I get, the longer it seems to take.
you'll probably lose 2kg over the next fortnight with little/no effort. Fret not!
Oh - I do want to believe you Helly, believe me I do. However 2 days of inattention/losing it and pigging out and I can put on 1.5 to 2kg. This will take me 2 months to shift. Its easy when I'm way above my target weight, but the closer I get, the longer it seems to take.
Yebbut Dr Mekon is pin thin and has just done a 600 and eaten CAEK. CAEK is good for restocking glycogen, which holds about 1.5 kg water and muscles swell after long/hard rides and take on even more water. This water will escape soon.
3kg body fat is around 25,000 kcal. It takes a while to eat that (10 days' normal manfood) and a very long while to build up a true caloric deficit of that size.
next week will be interesting. eight days of eating and drinking non stop and no cycling could alter my weight to post-xmas levels. any tips how to stay decent food-wise during all-inclusive holiday?..
next week will be interesting. eight days of eating and drinking non stop and no cycling could alter my weight to post-xmas levels. any tips how to stay decent food-wise during all-inclusive holiday?..
81.1 kg. Suspect that is as light as my body wants to be.
This is much easier said than done...
If you are halfway sensible, you'll lose 4kg within the next fortnight.This is much easier said than done...
indeed.. came back 5.2kg heavier after 8 days. never weighed so much in my life! ;D well, july will be a tough month
This is much easier said than done...
indeed.. came back 5.2kg heavier after 8 days. never weighed so much in my life! ;D well, july will be a tough month
I've lost a lot of weight over the last few months.104kg down to 87.5kg,which is good of course,but over the last couple of weeks or so,have hit the bonk twice and have felt a bit tired.Is it possible that weight loss can weaken us?
Fairly happy with that
I've finally cracked the 80 kg barrier (79.5 kg).
Interestingly, that has happened despite increasing my calorie intake allowance by changing my baseline activity level - limit is now a fairly generous 2100 Cal / day. The addition of a short run 3 x per week has done it, I think.
You'd perhaps like to think BMI is wrong/misleading/otherwise, but it's mostly completely right.
Everyone else does actually have a problem. Is that fair?
Everyone else does actually have a problem. Is that fair?
Do you weigh and record everything you eat, and have you compared that to the others you're referring to?
I do, and have been doing so for two years. The calorie counter, scales, and calculator are permanent fixtures on my kitchen worktop.
I do, and have been doing so for two years. The calorie counter, scales, and calculator are permanent fixtures on my kitchen worktop.
I know your pain - it's such a lot of work, isn't it?
Do you weigh and record everything you eat, and have you compared that to the others you're referring to? Forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about not being able to cut out more from your diet. If you can't keep the weight off, then you can almost certainly eat less and lose more weight. The tough part is that you may not wish to suffer that much.
I've finally cracked the 80 kg barrier (79.5 kg).
Interestingly, that has happened despite increasing my calorie intake allowance by changing my baseline activity level - limit is now a fairly generous 2100 Cal / day. The addition of a short run 3 x per week has done it, I think.
I'm not surprised you lost the weight! The recommended calorie intake to remain the same weight - for a male doing zero exercise - is approx. 2400Kcal per day.
Do you weigh and record everything you eat, and have you compared that to the others you're referring to? Forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about not being able to cut out more from your diet. If you can't keep the weight off, then you can almost certainly eat less and lose more weight. The tough part is that you may not wish to suffer that much.
Well the second part of the comparison leads back to what I mentioned in a previous post: Whilst those people I mentioned are as thin as rakes they also couldn't lift a tin of rice pudding without asking for help, where as I've always been good at exercises that involve explosive efforts from large muscle groups.
I can dead lift, squat, press and carry a considerable amount for someone who doesn't train in those disciplines, which must mean that even though I'm obviously carrying more fat than I need I'm also carrying more muscle. For me to get to my ideal BMI weight would not simply involve me eating less and moving more, but I'd also need to reduce muscle mass which seems a bit extreme just to play along to someone else's definition of "average".
(http://mindlesseating.org/images/cartoons/EatWithEyes-ME2006-Wansink-Cartoon.jpg) .I just need some pointers on what to eat .thanks in advance stuart .
2400 kcal can be a useful figure if you don't want to do the full calculations, but it is assuming an average build male who is moderately active - for example, a warehouse job.
When completely inactive, the body is using much less than that. I'm a 170 cm tall, 63 kg female. My basal metabolism is 1350 kcal per day - this is 56 kcal an hour. That's what I am using when asleep/lying down. For a (bigger) male, this would be a bit higher. As you lose weight, this figure will drop a little.
If I do an hour of cycling, I can add 459 (515-56) kcal to this figure.
If I do 10 mins of walking around, I can add to the figure.
If I do 4 hours of sitting watching TV, I can add (a small amount) to this figure.
The calculations are a bit laborious, which is why the 2400 figure is used. The danger of the 2400 figure is that a lot of people reward themselves with food after going to the gym, thinking that they have worked it off by adding the exercise figure to the 2400.
lost 3.8kg out of 5.2kg that i gained during all-you-can-eat-and-drink holidays two weeks ago, just by eating sensibly as usual. i will probably not reach my target weight by pbp, but won't be far from it either (1-2kg heavier).
It might be misleading in exceptional cases,
That's my point exactly - slim verging on gaunt is how we should be
I guess my point is that I'm not surprised people don't like BMI, it's telling them they are overweight when they don't want to be considered as that. It's the truth though, and for nearly everyone IME.
I was closer to my target at the end of April than I am now (meant to hit my target by august). :(
It's a general guide, with fuzzy edges. A general guid is enough to tell you you're obese, though.
I was closer to my target at the end of April than I am now (meant to hit my target by august). :(
Me too. But a Kg has come off last couple of weeks. I am delighted to be 83.4kg. I hope to see 82.4 for Weds the 17th and will count this as a win
PBP is the weekend of the 21st Aug, so I can't wait until September :)
It's a general guide, with fuzzy edges. A general guid is enough to tell you you're obese, though.
Agree 100% about the fuzzy edges, the problem I've got with it is that it puts someone who can do 200k at 14mph in the same class (obese) as someone who can barely get out of the house without removing a wall.
It's not a measure of fitness/health, but a measure of body mass index, surely? That said, I'd be willing to bet that across the population, someone who's obese, despite being fit, would still be at greater risk of health issues than someone who's both lean and fit.
I think that's what I said earlier. ;)
It's not a measure of fitness, it's a measure of your body mass index.
good work Toontra! Are you going to try and get any lighter?
- no white carbs, except spuds occasionally
- less beer (more wine)
- more protein instead of the white carbs
- very rare sugary snacks
good work Toontra! Are you going to try and get any lighter?
I may see if I can get down to 68, just out of interest really. It's still within the BMI "normal" range so nothing to worry about, and I like the idea of offsetting some of the weight that will be in my rack-pack on the French ride.
Mike, you put it all into perspective. You've lost about 30% of your body mass - that's pretty damned impressive! I'm just fiddling about on the edges in comparison!
Right, so are you claiming BMI doesn't apply to you personally?
It's hardly more than a fortnight till the French ride. I'd not really bother to lose anything right now. As I posted upthread, it's easier to pedal an extra half kg of fat across France than a whole bodyweight of unresponsive muscle.
Why are you avoiding my question? It seems to me that you don't want to admit that BMI applies to you because you don't like the truths it tells about you. How about a photo with weight and height stats?
I think the problem is that your average Joe sees BMI as a gauge of healthOr he's heard all the arguments and has decided that BMI is "all wrong" so thinks he's as fit as a fiddle despite carrying round an extra 10kg and wondering why he keeps getting a recurrence of an old leg injury (not me I hasten to add, I know I'm overweight and not as fit as I was two or three years ago)
looks like i'm unconsciously increasing my lard reserves before pbp.. 5kg of extra weight to carry around - is not what i planned initially. too late to do anything about it now.
good work Toontra! Are you going to try and get any lighter?
I may see if I can get down to 68, just out of interest really. It's still within the BMI "normal" range so nothing to worry about, and I like the idea of offsetting some of the weight that will be in my rack-pack on the French ride.
Mike, you put it all into perspective. You've lost about 30% of your body mass - that's pretty damned impressive! I'm just fiddling about on the edges in comparison!
It's hardly more than a fortnight till the French ride. I'd not really bother to lose anything right now. As I posted upthread, it's easier to pedal an extra half kg of fat across France than a whole bodyweight of unresponsive muscle.
good work Toontra! Are you going to try and get any lighter?
I may see if I can get down to 68, just out of interest really. It's still within the BMI "normal" range so nothing to worry about, and I like the idea of offsetting some of the weight that will be in my rack-pack on the French ride.
Mike, you put it all into perspective. You've lost about 30% of your body mass - that's pretty damned impressive! I'm just fiddling about on the edges in comparison!
It's hardly more than a fortnight till the French ride. I'd not really bother to lose anything right now. As I posted upthread, it's easier to pedal an extra half kg of fat across France than a whole bodyweight of unresponsive muscle.
Helly, I will remember this epic quote of yours as I scoff blue stilton cheese with my choklit later ;D
Noticing a pattern - easily below net calorie target during the week when I don't drink any beer, but utterly missing target when I do have beers on the weekend.
Funny that. ;D
Beer is by far the hardest part of weight-control for me. I can resist most things but I just like beer too much. I find the best policy is to focus on quality rather than quantity - if I want a beer of an evening, I'll open a bottle of the good stuff and sip it slowly (there's a rather excellent bottled beer emporium near home so I've usually got something interesting in the drinks cupboard). Water is for quaffing, beer is for enjoying.
d.
i just cant have beer in the house.. I can resist wine and whiskey but if there's beer in the fridge, it must be drunk. No willpower, that's always been the problem ;D
Great feeling, isn't it? ;) Going to strike onwards to 32?
[over]48 years... for those who were obese for 1–4.9, 5–14.9, 15–24.9 and ≥25 years of the study follow-up period, adjusted HRs for all-cause mortality were 1.51 [95% confidence interval (CI) 1.27–1.79], 1.94 (95% CI 1.71–2.20), 2.25 (95% CI 1.89–2.67) and 2.52 (95% CI 2.08–3.06), respectively, compared with those who were never obese.
How about using a low-tech, low cost tape measure at various strategic points on your body and tracking progress that way.
Waist measurement can be confounded somewhat by food/faeces/flatus in your belly but bum and thigh circumference will not be.
You can't really pull a tape too tight round your bum...
Lost about 3.5kg on PBP.
I'm at a record low of 54.4kg today, but that might be artificially low from hangover dehydration and not really eating anything other than scrambled egg for 2 days. I feel very shit.
Since giving up alcohol and treats on top of caffeine abstinence in prep for my next 600, I've been faithfully tracking my physical activity and diet again, and estimating my background calorie needs using a basal metabolic rate calculator and the Harris Benedict equation (not scholarship on my part in finding this - just random googling, so it may be shite). Together, this predicts that in the last week, as of today I should have lost 1.135kg. This morning, I stood on the admittedly crappy scales full of hope.
Lost about 3.5kg on PBP.
Same here, down to 81.7kg this morning. Will start tracking it again as I'm aiming for 76kg now that the bonkers cycling stuff is over.
Is it your time of the month DrMekon?
Seriously, you're just getting fitter. More efficient at energy in => miles out. One day you'll be as fit as me and be able to ride 1230km without losing a single kg. You lucky thing. ::-)
I wonder if these tools hugely overestimate the energy expended cycling because they are based on normal cyclists.
Bottom line for me is that I can't trust the numbers/suggested plans for weightloss suggested by websites.
I wonder if these tools hugely overestimate the energy expended cycling because they are based on normal cyclists.
I don't know what being a "normal" cyclist means, but surely the laws of physics dictate that the same amount of energy is required to move the same mass over the same distance, regardless of the level of cycling experience of that mass?
Cardiovascular efficiency will mean that a fitter rider will expend less energy overall in propelling a bike along the road at a certain speed.
http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/kreuzotter/espeed.htm
@greenbank - how do your numbers from your powertap compare to livestrong / myfitnesspal, etc?
I think I've plateaued again. A bit better than previous levellings off, but still remarkably static.
I was 68kg at the weekend. Looking less likely than previously that I’ll end up a bloater by November following a 1000k+ event in the summer. :)
Weight loss is still falling far short of the prediction. I'm sticking with a sensible 2000kcal a day during the week, but doing ~60km a day. Not finding myself especially hungry, possibly because I try to eat low calorie density foods and drink lots of water (got the idea from the Volumetric Diet). I continue to remain amazed at the discrepancy between the predicted weight loss and what I observe. According to the standard estimates, I should currently weight 65.8kg, having lost 6.2kg over the last 5 weeks. In fact, I'm 69.5 kg, and have lost 2.5kg. As I've said, I'm happy with the trajectory of my weight loss; just surprised at how far out the estimates are for me.
All these discussions about theory are all very well, but they're focusing on something we surely all know, pretty much.
Theories of weight loss are straightforward.
Calories in must be < calories out, and then you'll burn fat.
Everything else is refinements.
All these discussions about theory are all very well, but they're focusing on something we surely all know, pretty much.
Theories of weight loss are straightforward.
Calories in must be < calories out, and then you'll burn fat.
Everything else is refinements.
I don't have any problem with any of that.
My problem is, not eating. I just can't seem to do it.
There's lots of partial reasons why: I'm home all day; I can bake nice cakes; I'm bored; I don't drink enough; I ride enough to generate a huge appetite, but only after I've finished and am sitting on my arse; I have poor impulse control; I have a sweet tooth; I'm on a very limited budget and fat & sugar are cheaper than fruit, and bulky complex carbs are cheaper for a big family than protein; etc etc.
So if someone can come up with a magic solution for me to get some ability to say no, when faced with a morning of tedious chores and I fancy a peanut butter & jam sandwich, that'd be great, thanks.
Otherwise I'm going to need a whole wardrobe of new clothes I can't afford, as my 'weight loss' has gone into reverse.
All these discussions about theory are all very well, but they're focusing on something we surely all know, pretty much.
Theories of weight loss are straightforward.
Calories in must be < calories out, and then you'll burn fat.
Everything else is refinements.
I think there's more to it that that. A lot depends on the type of calories you're eating, and my take is that sugary stuff like cake, bread, pasta cause insulin spikes that stop your body burning sugar. Cut out as much sugar and wheat as you can for a month, eat more meat and veg to make up the numbers and so you're not starving and see what happens...
<whinge about having no willpower>
My answer when I'm in that sort of mood is to shove an apple or other fruit in my mouth, every time. True, you can eat a lot of apples to start with, but that quickly drops. Anyway, that leaves you eating something that is almost certainly better than a lot of other choices.
I'm full of excuses today, soAll that except the PBP bit :-\
I can't do 20 hours a week of official exercise-gym membership and swimming cost.
And although I could ride my bike for 20 hours a week it just makes me hungry. And, not to put too fine a point on it, I'm trying to stay off the bike as my arse is still recovering from PBP.
I want to not want to eat. How do you do that? (I'm aware there are drugs, but, they cost, and are not healthy.)
Indeed. Time and cost are 2 major reasons i no longer do it and am therefore approximately the size of something that could help arch clean her car. If you find an answer, do share!
I'm also looking at This (http://the99percent.com/tips/7086/A-Master-Plan-for-Taking-Back-Control-of-Your-Life) linked by DrMekon elsewhere.
I'll try Helly's roolz.
See how I get on.
I want to not want to eat. How do you do that?
nail,hammer & head.
But I think it's mostly down to self-discipline…
Suggesting that it is all down to self discipline, and that if you can't discipline yourself you are a failure is a very common attitude and IMO at least 50% of most people's problem.
Suggesting that it is all down to self discipline, and that if you can't discipline yourself you are a failure is a very common attitude and IMO at least 50% of most people's problem.
For the record, I didn't use the word failure and I would never be so judgmental about anybody finding it hard to lose weight.
d.
Suggesting that it is all down to self discipline, and that if you can't discipline yourself you are a failure is a very common attitude and IMO at least 50% of most people's problem.
I don't need a slow cooker, I'm perfectly capable of slow roasting/braising cheap cuts of meat. It's not even what we have for meals that's the problem, it's the hours sitting around bored, putting off ironing and hoovering doing nothing but idle surfing and snacking.Suggesting that it is all down to self discipline, and that if you can't discipline yourself you are a failure is a very common attitude and IMO at least 50% of most people's problem.
Then find another way to describe it. The way I see it, I changed my relationship with food. It is possible to do this while busy (I was in a busy job with a commute and cooking for two, because my ex never bothered to learn even the most basic of food preparation tasks). Cooking in batches and pre-preparing meals was one of my main strategies.
BOAB, do you have a slow cooker or could you plausibly acquire one? They take a lot of the effort out of cooking and can save you money on two counts; firstly, they are cheap to run (particularly for those dishes which are cooked on low) and secondly you can use cheap cuts of meat (if you are a carnivore) which taste much better than the more expensive cuts if cooked for long enough - which is what slow cookers are all about.
Have you had your thyroid function tested?Yes. It's fine.
I need to not-eat-what-I'd-really-like-to-eat for the next 20-30 weeks. That's 210 days of delayed gratification, and the very idea of it makes me wish I had cream cakes in the fridge.
You might think not having a job is part of the problem, but on the other hand… so far in the office today, we've had the PRs from Frank's Hot Sauce bringing us bacon sandwiches, PRs from Tyrell's bringing us crisps, and upstairs in the Press Briefing Centre are PRs from Zizzi's with loads of Italian food and prosecco…
Right, it's lunchtime. Just off to get me some of that prosecco…
Yes, we should.
I'm only losing weight (and very slowly at that) by upping the miles. That can't go on indefinitely. I need to change my attitude to food.
And I have developed a position professionallu of no faith in thejedi mind-tricksNLP tosh, I'm afraid.
I have lost 20kg in four years, I suppose, hitting various plateaux on the way, but I can do with losing another 10kg I think.
Yes, we should.
I'm only losing weight (and very slowly at that) by upping the miles. That can't go on indefinitely. I need to change my attitude to food.
And I have developed a position professionallu of no faith in thejedi mind-tricksNLP tosh, I'm afraid.
I have lost 20kg in four years, I suppose, hitting various plateaux on the way, but I can do with losing another 10kg I think.
NLP was very trendy as a management tool a few years back. I found the biggest advocates the most unpersuasive people I worked with </my last word on the issue>
You're 'supposed' to lose 1-2lb a week. At that rate I need to not-eat-what-I'd-really-like-to-eat for the next 20-30 weeks. That's 210 days of delayed gratification, and the very idea of it makes me wish I had cream cakes in the fridge.
NLP was very trendy as a management tool a few years back. I found the biggest advocates the most unpersuasive people I worked with </my last word on the issue>
Sorry - just want to make sure I've got this straight - you're dismissing the potential for using NLP as a tool able to alter your own behaviour as a result of your experience with some poor practitioners ("most unpersuasive people") attempts to alter other peoples behaviour, in the context of trendy management techniques?
15 1/2st this morning, 2st down from June :thumbsup:
Not feeling hungry or grumpy at all, still eating what I like. Crisps, cake and chocolate if I fancy it and still have alcohol at the weekend.
One thing I have noticed though is if I eat any wheat based food I'll feel hungry again in 1.5-2hrs later, I believe this is due to the insulin spike and it dropping off after this time causing low blood sugar (correct me if I'm wrong,IANAD).
Where before I'd have a sandwich at this point, I now rarely feel like anything now and get to the point where I think "I've not eaten for 4hrs, I should eat something" and not "I need to eat where is the food!!"
Rich
good work Rich!! same 'diet' as I'm on. Have you read 'primal blueprint'?
good work Rich!! same 'diet' as I'm on. Have you read 'primal blueprint'?
No but I have just saved his blog to look at later http://www.marksdailyapple.com/ and what I read on wheat belly http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/ was interesting.
I don't plan to cut it out completely just moderate what I eat.
I seem to be eating a lot more than I did before though and a better variety too :thumbsup:
Riding more and eating less (and more sensibly) seems to be doing the trick.
Riding more and eating less (and more sensibly) seems to be doing the trick.
However, a couple of questions have gone unanswered. SW say you can eat unlimited quantities of dried pasta but must steer clear of fresh pasta. Why? Also, we have both cut right down on bread and cakes and think this has really helped. Again, why? On the surface SW looks very simple but there is obviously quite a bit of science behind the scenes.
Fresh pasta uses eggs for the wet ingredient, where dried pasta uses water.
Italians mostly treat pasta as a small starter or side dish, not the greasy, guzzling main that you often see in the UK.
It seems reasonable to assume that pasta made with eggs provides more calories per gram than pasta made with water, but SW's advice looks bizarre to me - I don't see how that translates into being allowed to eat "as much dried pasta as you like". If anything, I'd have thought that the added nutrients from the eggs in fresh pasta would make it a better option than dried.
Anyway, as I think I've said already, I really don't hold with any diet based on cutting things out. (Big greasy guzzling bowl of spag bol lined up for lunch - good authentic British grub.)
d.
err. Water evaporates.
Eggs have less calories per 100g than wheat so if it was going to make any difference, weight for weight, it would reduce the calories.
Nutrition Facts: Cooked, 1 cup serving
Homemade Fresh Pasta vs. Dry Pasta
Calories: 184 - 224
Protein: 7.5 gm - 8.2 gm
Total Fat: 2.5 gm - 1.3 gm
Saturated Fat: 0.6 gm - 0.2 gm
Cholesterol: 58 mg - 0 mg
Total Carb: 33 gm - 43.8 gm
Sodium: 118 mg - 1 mg
Fiber: 2.8 gm - 2.6 gm
So, assuming these figures are correct, there are fewer calories overall in egg pasta but more saturated fat. Maybe that's the difference as far as SW are concerned? Still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Also, if you go along the zone/paleo principles, then sugar bad, fat (in moderation) good and they consider any grains being almost as bad as sugar.
If the SW system is based on helping you get a balanced, varied diet without too much fat or sugar, then it's probably quite sensible. And helping you choose foods containing the "good" unsaturated fats rather than the "bad" saturated fats is no bad thing either. But rules like "no fresh pasta" just sound a bit silly to me. YMMV.
d.
Slimming World had a big bag with two stone in weight in it.I picked it up and thought how easier my cycling would be if I could get rid of that much by April.
Also, if you go along the zone/paleo principles, then sugar bad, fat (in moderation) good and they consider any grains being almost as bad as sugar.
Meh. Paleo-schmaleo. Any diet that excludes beer on the basis that cavemen didn't drink beer is automatically not worth considering.* (By the way, what was the life expectancy of the average caveman?)
next week I hope to be under 15st for the first time in about 20yrs ;D ;D
next week I hope to be under 15st for the first time in about 20yrs ;D ;D
Good work!
I'm now under 12st for the first time in something like ten years, but then my peak was only around 14st. But I did get a comment yesterday from a female colleague about how svelte I'm looking. Which is nice. :smug:
Well done, can i ask how long it has taken you to drop form 14st to under 12 ?
d.
Well done, can i ask how long it has taken you to drop form 14st to under 12 ?
Well done, can i ask how long it has taken you to drop form 14st to under 12 ?
Cheers - it's taken me the best part of two years, although I've lost nearly a stone since the start of September, which is when I started taking it a bit more seriously. Long-term target is 70kg (about 11 stone).
d.
Change your relationship with food; learn to love it and stop treating it like a cheap date.
When you say you started taking it more seriously, do you mean more cycling or was this through other forms of excercise ? A lot of questions i know, but i used to be 12st 8 now at 14st 5 after quitting the fags, and can't seem to shift anything despite more cycling.
I've just changed eating habits, the main one is to cut out the shed loads of bread I was eating. That's not religiously either as I had some last weekend when cycling.i've been reading this with interest. I've put on loads of weight recently and just had to get my size 18 clothes out of the cupboard, which means lots of my cycling stuff is a bit tight now.
I eat loads of bread. I wonder sbout having a go at reducing it significantly but what do I have instead? Lunch each day currently is french stick with ham or cheese (maybe a third of a french stick) or two rounds of sandwiches. I can't just eat the ham for lunch...
Ham's off.
;D
Another lunchtime favourite is soup.
Norovirus.
4.5 lb in 24 hours.
Effective, but NOT reccomended.
Not many people keeping up the weigh in, I note. :(It's too cold to take your clothes off to stand on the scales. ;D
I feel more inclined to do it when I'm actually making progress towards my goal. :smug:This the main problem :-[
d.
Not many people keeping up the weigh in, I note. :(I allways do mine a day late on Thusday,thats when I go to SW.
I feel more inclined to do it when I'm actually making progress towards my goal. :smug:This the main problem :-[
d.
I haven't read all 138 pages of this thread, so might have already been covered, but I lost 7 kilo over 3 months, helped a lot by cutting out my daily ham & cheese sandwich/bagel and eating Ainsley Harriott couscous for lunch. I have had it now nearly every lunchtime for 4 months. I fear possibly not healthy for me, but neither I think is a large bread/cheese consumption. I recommend the one with the camel on the front, though I do have visions of Ainsleys face in my dreams now.
I haven't read all 138 pages of this thread, so might have already been covered, but I lost 7 kilo over 3 months, helped a lot by cutting out my daily ham & cheese sandwich/bagel and eating Ainsley Harriott couscous for lunch. I have had it now nearly every lunchtime for 4 months. I fear possibly not healthy for me, but neither I think is a large bread/cheese consumption. I recommend the one with the camel on the front, though I do have visions of Ainsleys face in my dreams now.
Ye Gods!!!!! is it worth it?!!!! ;D
I maintained last week, which was disappointing.When I was vegan I found cakes and the like an interesting challenge. An outlook that didn't help my weight. :-[
Trouble is I'm at the stage where I've run out of naughties to eliminate. Being vegan, things like chocolate, cake and biccies are pretty much eliminated by default.
I guess I'll just have to put some more miles in, preferably of the more lumpy variety.
I notice it's all gone quiet here. Presumably we're all giving up for the festive season?
I'm not giving up for the festive season. Well, I will be on 25th, 26th, 31st and 1st. But actually, right now, I'm sticking to it with a rigour I haven't managed for most of this year.
I can't really waste any time. You know there's only 188 days till The Scottish Ride? I need to lose 106g/day!
Drinkers can go with a 'nothing' approach. So can smokers. Those of us whose weakness involves overeating, can't just stop.
By the way, that was supposed to be encouragement! I fully appreciate it must be incredibly difficult watching everything you eat in an attempt to lose weight - especially when you're hungry. But it must be piss easy in comparison to the living hell of trying to cut down on drinking when you absolutely have to.I'm not belittling your achievement, far from it. A year later, you don't drink.
Every single day of my life I'll be presented with a temptation.
Drinkers can avoid situations where drink is present. Ditto smokers.
I, and nearly everyone else know that what alcoholics have is a kind of disease.
Fat people are pointed at in the street. It's just being 'weak-willed', a lazy bastard, a greedy guts.
This can kill me, too. Just slower.
I'm an ex smoker. I can go days without thinking about it. Every day the temptation to smoke is less. I hardly ever fancy a smoke now, after 3 years.Every single day of my life I'll be presented with a temptation.
Drinkers can avoid situations where drink is present. Ditto smokers.
Every single day ex-drinkers and ex-smokers think about it. Every single day the temptation to nip to the shop is there. It's no different. it's impossible to avoid booze and fags completely. They're always there. Either in your mind or right in front of you.
I don't think this should be about who's having the most difficult time. Both situations are very difficult, in different ways - and you're all doing better than me. I should really lose 5 stone but I'm really not motivated.You're absolutely right Kirst. Both situations are difficult. We'd none of us choose either, would we?
Target for next year is 85kg. I've got to get serious about this. 10kg loss over the year isn't impossible, and is advisable.
Well, that's it. Last weigh in for the year, and I only just scraped my first (rather unambitious) target, which had actually been a target last year.
I upped the mileage significantly, and that seemed to be helping, and I wasn't conscious of eating more (before this week, natch), though I guess I must have been. Total weight loss for the year of approx 2.5kg.
Target for next year is 85kg. I've got to get serious about this. 10kg loss over the year isn't impossible, and is advisable.
*heavy sigh*
there really are no excuses.
I reckon I could find some chocolate on my way to find an excuse :-\.there really are no excuses.
I reckon I could find one
I reckon I could find some chocolate on my way to find an excuse :-\.there really are no excuses.
I reckon I could find one
Total weight loss for the year of approx 2.5kg.Take a step back. Ten years from now, if you've lost 2.5kg a year (or even most years, with a few NoChange thrown in) - how would that look? Pretty fantastic, I'd bet, especially compared to your (non-cycling) peers.
I've lost 3kg in the last 3 weeks and am therefore inspired by success.
I've lost 3kg in the last 3 weeks and am therefore inspired by success.
I'm quite astonished that someone as fundamentally lazy and greedy as me has managed to lose weight over Christmas.
I'd be :smug: were it not that 3 kg are a drop in the ocean of lard, and there's a hell of a long way to go.
I'd be :smug: were it not that 3 kg are a drop in the ocean of lard, and there's a hell of a long way to go.
I keep peeking in here and thinking "My God! Why do they want to lose weight when they're already feathers?"
I'd be were it not that 3 kg are a drop in the ocean of lard, and there's a hell of a long way to go.
Last day of the Old Year and, I hope, Last Day of the "I'll deal with it Some time" attitude.
I'm feeling a tad gutted
I keep peeking in here and thinking "My God! Why do they want to lose weight when they're already feathers?" and then thinking that I ought to do something about my weight.
Just looking at McShrooms 122kg made me think a bit more and I just bullied the scales to tell me how bad it is. It's BAD! 127.8kg!
Last day of the Old Year and, I hope, Last Day of the "I'll deal with it Some time" attitude.
I've done some cycling on four of the last five days and it was made clear to me that the Brooks Bone was feeling it with the lard and gasping for breath on the slightest incline is not joyfull.
It's going to be a slow and difficult one but it has to be! Be prepared for some Heavy Duty whining over the next year or so!
I'm feeling a tad gutted having put on a whopping 8 lbs over Christmas, though only managing about 25 miles in nearly a fortnight won't have helped.
I have had a few beers & glasses of wine and I don't doubt that the buffet style food that has predominated is deadly. Hey ho, at least it guards against complacency.
I'm feeling a tad gutted having put on a whopping 8 lbs over Christmas, though only managing about 25 miles in nearly a fortnight won't have helped.
I have had a few beers & glasses of wine and I don't doubt that the buffet style food that has predominated is deadly. Hey ho, at least it guards against complacency.
Gandalf and any others who have gained large amounts of weight over Christmas:
DON'T WORRY, DON'T FRET!
It's not all fat; it's mosly water and glycogen.
You can lose most of this weight with a fortnight of sensible eating.
Happy New Year!
I'm feeling a tad gutted having put on a whopping 8 lbs over Christmas, though only managing about 25 miles in nearly a fortnight won't have helped.
I have had a few beers & glasses of wine and I don't doubt that the buffet style food that has predominated is deadly. Hey ho, at least it guards against complacency.
Gandalf and any others who have gained large amounts of weight over Christmas:
DON'T WORRY, DON'T FRET!
It's not all fat; it's mosly water and glycogen.
You can lose most of this weight with a fortnight of sensible eating.
Happy New Year!
Suppose you've been steadily gaining about a stone and a half over a 2 month period?
Thank you, boab, for posting the 2012 thread.
Thank you, boab, for posting the 2012 thread.
You may want to amend your thanks as it appears I gave November 31 days :facepalm:
I've corrected the code now if any pedants would like to switch it before we start weighing in on Wednesday.
Thank you, boab, for posting the 2012 thread.
You may want to amend your thanks as it appears I gave November 31 days :facepalm:
I've corrected the code now if any pedants would like to switch it before we start weighing in on Wednesday.
I noticed that but didn't like to say anything. I think you've also re-elected Edward Heath's government* for the end of June. ;)
*For the Very Young, Heath introduced the 3-day week.
Damn! Caught. :(
I went across the road to get the bits for my lunch (pitta, houmous, cheese, yoghurt etc), and someone forced me to buy a chocolate bar! >:(
OK, no one forced me. I was weak and stupid and made a mistake based on habit.
No one forced me to eat it either. Idiot. :-[
Exactly. I'm helping dispose of the gingerbread house at work which probably isn't going to help the diet.Damn! Caught. :(
I went across the road to get the bits for my lunch (pitta, houmous, cheese, yoghurt etc), and someone forced me to buy a chocolate bar! >:(
OK, no one forced me. I was weak and stupid and made a mistake based on habit.
No one forced me to eat it either. Idiot. :-[
Don't worry! You'll burn it off riding home into the wind. ;)
I'm DrMekon on myfitnesspal if anyone else is joining up.A few years ago I used a site called MyFoodDiary which I paid 6 dollars per month for.
However, there is still a lot of post-Christas cheese to get through, although we put quite a big dent in it just now at lunch time. The biggest bit left is about half a kilo of Stilton: the brie has now gone, as has the Jarlsberg and there's some organic Glastonbury cheddar left to go. IN addition, we have hardly started the nuts, but they are not quite so viciously fattening as is cheese. We have two more large meals to eat with P & W but when they depart on Friday I'l probably be fighting the dog for his kibble.This is a real parents excuse.
I'm still 2 stone over where I shoudl be, so not exactly a poster child for weight loss, so take this with a big pinch of condiment, but...Weight Watchers latest thing also sings from this hymn sheet. Their ProPoints plan is based on lots of fresh fruit & veg and more calories from protein.
what I learned from the 'primal blueprint' is if you swap n calories worth of carbs with the same of protein or [shockingly] fat, you wont feel as hungry as quickly. Dont eat grains like bread, cereal or pasta, have nuts, some meat or a boiled egg instead.
I have a huge longing for some of that Christmas Cake I left at Mr Smith's.
Oats are wonderful! I love porridge, oatcakes, haverbread, oat bars, oaty cereals etc. :)
I've signed up with myfitnesspal.com this time around. Livestrong never did get their Android app together, and the former seems to "know" all the foods I eat, and now I don't have a gym at home, a portable app is rather more important.
...There are still 3 tins of chocs in the office, but I have so far resisted, O:-)
Geoff
I've signed up with myfitnesspal.com this time around. Livestrong never did get their Android app together, and the former seems to "know" all the foods I eat, and now I don't have a gym at home, a portable app is rather more important.
I'm using mynetdiary.com, which has a good iphone app. I might have a go with myfitnesspal.com to see how they compare.
Does anyone here use Fitbit? My wife is keen to try it.
d.
I've signed up with myfitnesspal.com this time around. Livestrong never did get their Android app together, and the former seems to "know" all the foods I eat, and now I don't have a gym at home, a portable app is rather more important.
I'm using mynetdiary.com, which has a good iphone app. I might have a go with myfitnesspal.com to see how they compare.
Does anyone here use Fitbit? My wife is keen to try it.
d.
I'm really enjoying myfitnesspal you can invite friends and make things easier too. It also seems to know all the foods I eat.
Does anyone here use Fitbit? My wife is keen to try it.
It's been evaluated by some people here at work. I think its value is dependent on how much you like the numbers you get from self-monitoring, and the extent to which you benefit from the social side. A pedometer or accelerometer might do the same thing (ie give numbers) for a tenth of the price if she's not going to get caught up with the analysis and social stuff. I would really like one, but I'm resistant to paying all the extra over a normal triaxial accelerometer just for the web stuff. EG here's one for £35 (http://activ8rlives.hostedbywebstore.co.uk/Activ8rlives-axis-Personal-counter-Black/dp/B006FVLVM4?traffic_src=froogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_source=froogle). The waterproof ones we use at work are £180!
If you want to look into this stuff more, the Quantified Self blog is a great place to start.
http://quantifiedself.com/
Just to be awkward I'll use aspace-savingslimmed-down chart. ;)
I had a real struggle in the biscuit aisle yesterday. I could so easily have splashed out less than a quid on a pack of coconut snowballs and eaten the lot.
I contacted my sponsor and was reminded of the motivation.
One day at a time people. If we resist we'll reap the rewards.
Just got back from SW and I'm pleased to report a loss of 6.5 lbs this week. I'm sure battling the wind this week has helped.
I am coming to the conclusion that most of my 'empty' calories are from wine, and therefore eating the same but with no wine might in itself do the trick. I am planning to test this theory until memories of new year hangovers fade and my resolve gets put to the test.
Yet again, fboab wishes she drank more, just so she could give it up.... ::-)
I did this a few pages ago. It's easy to give up stuff you're not bothered about. I could give up pilchards any time too.Yet again, fboab wishes she drank more, just so she could give it up.... ::-)
Careful what you wish for. It's Quite Hard to give it up, so it turns out.
Just got back from SW and I'm pleased to report a loss of 6.5 lbs this week. I'm sure battling the wind this week has helped.
WELL DONE!
Told you so...
After using myfitnesspal for a few days, I've come to the conclusion that on the whole, I like it better than mynetdiary. One thing I find particularly useful is being able to use the iPhone app offline, which you can't do with mynetdiary. Also the database seems to be better stocked, which I suspect is due to having more users.
d.
Well, my wife has got herself a Fitbit and I must say, first impressions are that it's a very nifty bit of kit with a good website to back it up. And signing up for premium membership doesn't seem to be necessary to use most of the features, which is good.
Also, coming soon (currently in beta testing), is the Fitbit myfitnesspal app.
d.
Well, my wife has got herself a Fitbit and I must say, first impressions are that it's a very nifty bit of kit with a good website to back it up. And signing up for premium membership doesn't seem to be necessary to use most of the features, which is good.
Also, coming soon (currently in beta testing), is the Fitbit myfitnesspal app.
d.
Just to be awkward I'll use aspace-savingslimmed-down chart. ;)
If you’re being awkward then I’ll have to put in a work-around to the graphing programme to make sure it still works for everyone else who isn’t being awkward. Thanks. :P
Just to be awkward I'll use aspace-savingslimmed-down chart. ;)
If you’re being awkward then I’ll have to put in a work-around to the graphing programme to make sure it still works for everyone else who isn’t being awkward. Thanks. :P
I think a penny has just dropped: are you telling me that the purpose of that visually ... er ... idiosyncratic weight loss template is so that it can be automatically read by some sort of graphing tool? I'll use it if it helps in any way.
Just to be awkward I'll use aspace-savingslimmed-down chart. ;)
If you’re being awkward then I’ll have to put in a work-around to the graphing programme to make sure it still works for everyone else who isn’t being awkward. Thanks. :P
I think a penny has just dropped: are you telling me that the purpose of that visually ... er ... idiosyncratic weight loss template is so that it can be automatically read by some sort of graphing tool? I'll use it if it helps in any way.
Yep, you made him write a bunch more code ;)
The Fitbit looks interesting, but I'm wondering whether the wireless tracker would know that you are cycling and be able to work out how many calories you are using given it won't give the same motion as walking. Is there a way to manually add cycled miles to the app if not?
MAJOR SATURDAY FAIL :facepalm:
I've spent the Friday night and most of Saturday doing much more than the prescribed dose of Opiate pain killers with the nasty head pain and in a spirit of "Oh, Sod it!" have had an evening of Pizza and Pringles!
Try again.
Many years ago (11, to be precise) I did a bit of a mega diet with the WeightWatchers points thingie and lost 8st 2lb in 10-and-a-bit months (and kept it off for five years or so!) Four stone have crept back on so I am currently beating them into submission.
I'm not using WW but myfitnesspal this time - same concept (keeping a track of your daily calorie intake and exercise output). Being a cyclist this time round it's easy to burn quite a few calories, which is top.
The thing is, WW always said you should eat up your extra calories that you generate through exercise, but this time round I don't seem to need to do that. I end up with 500-800 cals free at the end of the day (I'm eating about 1900-2000, with 1700 as my target, but averaging 800 extra per day with all the cycling I'm doing). Does anyone know if this does matter? Or is the calorie deficit through exercise (bearing in mind I'm eating three square meals and a couple of snacks a day) fine and helpful?
Many years ago (11, to be precise) I did a bit of a mega diet with the WeightWatchers points thingie and lost 8st 2lb in 10-and-a-bit months (and kept it off for five years or so!) Four stone have crept back on so I am currently beating them into submission.Are you hungry? If not, I'd say you're OK running at quite a high deficit.
I'm not using WW but myfitnesspal this time - same concept (keeping a track of your daily calorie intake and exercise output). Being a cyclist this time round it's easy to burn quite a few calories, which is top.
The thing is, WW always said you should eat up your extra calories that you generate through exercise, but this time round I don't seem to need to do that. I end up with 500-800 cals free at the end of the day (I'm eating about 1900-2000, with 1700 as my target, but averaging 800 extra per day with all the cycling I'm doing). Does anyone know if this does matter? Or is the calorie deficit through exercise (bearing in mind I'm eating three square meals and a couple of snacks a day) fine and helpful?
I'd also check you're not overestimating your calorie consumption for cycling. What sort of level are you using? Most calorie counting things assume that cyclists are sporting cyclists rather than recreational cyclists, IYSWIM. I don't generally push very hard when I'm riding (I can almost always maintain a conversation/sing) and I'd be very surprised if I was using even as much as 500kcal/hr.
700 seems about right for 21 miles. Whether you take less than 1 hr or more than 2.
Are you hungry? If not, I'd say you're OK running at quite a high deficit.
I'd also check you're not overestimating your calorie consumption for cycling. What sort of level are you using? Most calorie counting things assume that cyclists are sporting cyclists rather than recreational cyclists, IYSWIM. I don't generally push very hard when I'm riding (I can almost always maintain a conversation/sing) and I'd be very surprised if I was using even as much as 500kcal/hr.
WW advise you to use your generated exercise points because if you're hungry you get demoralised and lose enthusiasm so are less likely to stick with it.
(Like you I lost 7 stone and 3.5 of it has returned. Begone, extra weight, I evicted you once, and you can gtf again).
According to myfitnesspal, my four-hour ride on Sunday burned 3,000 calories, which I suspect is at least double what I actually burned. Out of interest, I entered the same ride data into livestrong and it reckoned I'd burned over 4,000 calories. ::-)
d.
I've put a blank copy of my spreadsheet here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13914122/2012%20Predicting%20weight%20loss.xlsx).
<...> which involves much cooking from scratch and taking lunches into work, which will help a lot. Really I just need to curb my talent for making enormous amounts of chocolate disappear, which has started up again over Xmas and not wanting to go away.
I'm dreading tomorrow, today now :-[ and blaming my weak willed, lazy, easy option taking SELF!
I'm dreading tomorrow morning and the results of last weekend'scelebrationsAudax and getting to te tea rooms in Chipping Camden for the first time. :-\
I should have eaten another snack before I got to the floaty point, right? Like a banana or something. Stupid.
I should have eaten another snack before I got to the floaty point, right? Like a banana or something. Stupid.
Yes. HTH :)
I'm dreading tomorrow morning and the results of last weekend's celebrations and too much chocolate this evening (I blame work for the latter). :-\
I should have eaten another snack before I got to the floaty point, right? Like a banana or something. Stupid.
Admittedly I did have a (half a loaf of bread with butter and jam sized) blip on Saturday, but even so.
On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.
And quite pissed off, to be honest. Shit times, and I didn't wallow in chocolate, and I still get shit results on the scales.
Yesterday evening I disappointed the lady at our choir practices who bakes cakes just for the tea break. I made do with a cup of coffee and that was that.
On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.
And quite pissed off, to be honest. Shit times, and I didn't wallow in chocolate, and I still get shit results on the scales.
Go have a poo, they weigh your self again. It'll be a bit less shit, and you'll get better results!
Good to see you on MFP. There is a bike group on there that's worth joining if you think strangers cheering you on helps (I do- they are a very supportive bunch). Still, if we get enough YACFers on there we can support each other. I reckon making your diary public is a big help. Definitely gives me a check when absentmindedly looking in the cupboard late at night.
There's me, you, Chris, Feline, Citoyen, Auntie Helen. Anyone else?
Losing weight for me appears to be harder when I'm active and 43 than when I'm not and 35.That is not necessarily a bad thing . Especially when you have done exercise you did not do before and are hurting because of it. Because then you body will need to repair tissue and strengthen it and one of the things he does in order to achieve that is flushing the afflicted parts with water. Which is what will make you sigh if you step on the scales as it can be quite a lot, but it will go once the job is done. You might watch how your weight changes with rest days and after heavy exercise and then only compare your weight under similar circumstances.
I'm really rather feeling that Life is Not Fair at the moment.
Me, Glasgowjim :thumbsup:, but where's the group to join ?
I think we can safely say that the WW points thing is not working for me, this time.
On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.
And quite pissed off, to be honest. Shit times, and I didn't wallow in chocolate, and I still get shit results on the scales.
Losing weight for me appears to be harder when I'm active and 43 than when I'm not and 35.
I'm really rather feeling that Life is Not Fair at the moment.
I'm not doing any structured diet plan 'cause I don't have the self discipline,a.k.a. ICBA
I'm simply eating less bread,biscuits & such like but more fruit & having smaller portions at breakfast & evening meal.
That's about as structured as my diet plan TBH. The main reason I'm recording it in an app is to make me aware of what is in my meals calorie wise, and for the 'if I eat this I will have to record it' factor.
I'm not doing any structured diet plan 'cause I don't have the self discipline,a.k.a. ICBA
I'm simply eating less bread,biscuits & such like but more fruit & having smaller portions at breakfast & evening meal.
That's about as structured as my diet plan TBH. The main reason I'm recording it in an app is to make me aware of what is in my meals calorie wise, and for the 'if I eat this I will have to record it' factor. I find it much easier to do extra cycling than cook special meals. I am using the 'fail-safe environment' method of avoiding crisps and chocolate ... they are not in the house.
I'm not doing any structured diet plan 'cause I don't have the self discipline,a.k.a. ICBA
I'm simply eating less bread,biscuits & such like but more fruit & having smaller portions at breakfast & evening meal.
That's about as structured as my diet plan TBH. The main reason I'm recording it in an app is to make me aware of what is in my meals calorie wise, and for the 'if I eat this I will have to record it' factor. I find it much easier to do extra cycling than cook special meals. I am using the 'fail-safe environment' method of avoiding crisps and chocolate ... they are not in the house.
It's the OMG how much fat factor :)
I'm not doing any structured diet plan 'cause I don't have the self discipline,a.k.a. ICBA
I'm simply eating less bread,biscuits & such like but more fruit & having smaller portions at breakfast & evening meal.
That's about as structured as my diet plan TBH. The main reason I'm recording it in an app is to make me aware of what is in my meals calorie wise, and for the 'if I eat this I will have to record it' factor. I find it much easier to do extra cycling than cook special meals. I am using the 'fail-safe environment' method of avoiding crisps and chocolate ... they are not in the house.
It's the OMG how much fat factor :)
I don't need an app for that, I just need a mirror!
90.6 Kg today. Thats 200.0 lbs!
A significant milestone in my mind.
On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.
And quite pissed off, to be honest. Shit times, and I didn't wallow in chocolate, and I still get shit results on the scales.
Losing weight for me appears to be harder when I'm active and 43 than when I'm not and 35.
I'm really rather feeling that Life is Not Fair at the moment.
On MyFitnessPal with the rest of you.
I have a similar urge which I'm also resisting. Apparently Paul McKenna hypnotises you (or rather teaches you to hypnotise yourself) into associating chocolate with turd. I'm not sure I could subscribe to that though.I associate the two very closely. Indeed, all too frequently I am the agent that turns one into another.
Fortunately, they are Krispy Kremes, so I know they are completely inedible :D
Fortunately, they are Krispy Kremes, so I know they are completely inedible :D
Diabetes in a box! :thumbsup:
d.
Managed to get over it, and ate a cereal bar I found in my bag instead. :-\Can you get some apples or satsumas at lunch time so you've got something to pick at?
Apparently Paul McKenna hypnotises you (or rather teaches you to hypnotise yourself) into associating chocolate with turd.
I've never tried a Krispy Creme. The name alone would put me off.
There's a place in Lpoo St that sells them. When Mrs. Wow and I were passing through a few months ago, two constables were in there, presumably on their morning break. By the look of them, they went there every day.
Essexian - who gives a stuff about how you look at the pool. It's PE, you're not meant to look good while you're doing it. Just feel better and be a bit healthier as a result of having done it!
Although I will point out that the "not giving a stuff about peoples' appearances in the pool" Defintiely Does Not extend to the bloke that used to lane swim at our local pool wearing a flesh-coloured thong.
Worth thinking about, even if it is dispiriting not being able to complete a length.So do a width. Then another, then another... :)
Yes, I did take swimming lessons at the age of 27 :-[34 for me. I could already swim, and swam loads, but only breaststroke with, I discovered, atrocious technique.
Although I will point out that the "not giving a stuff about peoples' appearances in the pool" Defintiely Does Not extend to the bloke that used to lane swim at our local pool wearing a flesh-coloured thong.
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was it Hummers of this parish ;D
Essexian has put an idea in my head.The local pool is only 4km away.I'll check out the bike security when I'm next in town;although I could walk that distance & exercise a different set of muscles.
* crisps were my cigarette substitute when I stopped smoking & are largely responsible,together with vanilla slices,for a weight gain of 20kg in the 12 months after becoming a non-smoker.
I found smoking much easier to ditch than I find losing weight -
Currently struggling with the temptation of my mid-morning chocolate. I know it's only habit, but it's what I do. :-\
Really impressive losses from both of you. I've *never* lost weight that quickly :(
I found smoking much easier to ditch than I find losing weight -
same here.
I found the symptons of nicotine withdrawal much easier to accept than being hungry.
DrMekon hasn't always been the string bean he currently is...Really impressive losses from both of you. I've *never* lost weight that quickly :(
maybe because at the lowest recommended bmi there's no fat left to lose? :)
Reaching 'normal' range on a BMI chart seems a bit implausible for me. I think I need to be about 82kg to do it. Unlikely, but I'll see what I can do.
There's something about feeling sorry for yourself that is particularly unhelpful, especially when combined with not being able to ride. Ho hum.Very much so. It's not called comfort eating for nothing.
Cake really hasn't worked for me.
Reaching 'normal' range on a BMI chart seems a bit implausible for me. I think I need to be about 82kg to do it. Unlikely, but I'll see what I can do.
BMI is a crude measurement anyway, not to be trusted. With the amount of exercise you do, you must be an awful lot healthier than your BMI would indicate.
BMI is as good an indicator as any other.Reaching 'normal' range on a BMI chart seems a bit implausible for me. I think I need to be about 82kg to do it. Unlikely, but I'll see what I can do.
BMI is a crude measurement anyway, not to be trusted. With the amount of exercise you do, you must be an awful lot healthier than your BMI would indicate.
+1
Simple BMI measurements mean nothing without a proper muscle-mass evaluation.
Lawrence Dallaglio was famously obese according to basic BMI calculations. The fact he was basically 18 stone of muscle, when taken into account, meant he was perfectly healthy.
You will probably find that your legs add a large amount of your body mass in the form of (heavy) muscle.
Clarion ain't Dallaglio,
I'm not Catherine Spencer, there's lard to shift on both of us.
DrMekon hasn't always been the string bean he currently is...Really impressive losses from both of you. I've *never* lost weight that quickly :(
maybe because at the lowest recommended bmi there's no fat left to lose? :)
I'm trying to view him as a success story.
Well so far drastically reducing my wine intake has been a big success, 2.6kg down and another 5.1kg to go. I didn't manage to stay completely off it for long, but my limit is now 1 glass and not every night. I think it's not just the actual calories of the wine but the way it reduces your willpower not to raid the fridge that does it. Myfitnesspal seems to be a useful way of keeping tabs on what I eat and sometimes makes me decide against a snack I might have given in to otherwise. This regime is costing me in dog food however, I have doubled their mileage with the bike and had to increase their food to stop them getting skinny!
Well so far drastically reducing my wine intake has been a big success, 2.6kg down and another 5.1kg to go. I didn't manage to stay completely off it for long, but my limit is now 1 glass and not every night. I think it's not just the actual calories of the wine but the way it reduces your willpower not to raid the fridge that does it. Myfitnesspal seems to be a useful way of keeping tabs on what I eat and sometimes makes me decide against a snack I might have given in to otherwise. This regime is costing me in dog food however, I have doubled their mileage with the bike and had to increase their food to stop them getting skinny!
I found smoking much easier to ditch than I find losing weight - which why I'm an 18 stone ex-smoker.
I've lost 5kg since 1/1/12 - exactly 115kg this morning. I think it goes to show exactly how much I was stuffing my face in the run up to the new year: I was tending to match Woolly portion for portion while they were here, and boy can that guy eat! Add to that the surfeit of Jarlsberg - that is such a lovely cheese! At times I was actually making an effort to eat when I was already full.
I reckon a kg or possibly two of that weight loss is the fact that I'm running with a half-full tank all the time.
Now for the hard bit...
Ham (et al.)
I just love the German word for your situation: Kummerspeck (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kummerspeck) :thumbsup:
your weight can vary by.2kg2kg or more during the course of the day depending on activity & food/water consumption.
I try to weigh myself at the same time of day on a Wednesday.
as i said, just going to to keep on keeping on & see what next week brings.
your weight can vary by.2kg2kg or more during the course of the day depending on activity & food/water consumption.
I try to weigh myself at the same time of day on a Wednesday.
One more for MFP. It looks a really useful tool, and I find it easy and interesting to record such things in an app - at the moment I use Drinkaware to keep an eye on the grog and mycyclinglog as a cycling diary. I've accepted the default of one pound per week which seems sensible. At the moment I'm 11st 9 and would like to be nearer to 11st. I've grown man breasts over the last year or so - not very nice :-[
... and I'm starting to feel like someone who can resist naughty snacks rather than it being an enormous effort the whole time.
:thumbsup:
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP, but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.
Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow. That will shift some calories.
Geoff
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP, but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.
Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow. That will shift some calories.
Geoff
I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP, but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.
Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow. That will shift some calories.
Geoff
I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!
Pigging out before exercise could help build some nice glycogen stores, enabling more calories to burn the next day. You would have to be stricter on your exercise day though...
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP, but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.
Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow. That will shift some calories.
Geoff
I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!
Pigging out before exercise could help build some nice glycogen stores, enabling more calories to burn the next day. You would have to be stricter on your exercise day though...
It often works out that way anyway, since if I'm riding the bike all day I have limited chances to snack, and then I CBA to cook much to eat afterwards!
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP, but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.
Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow. That will shift some calories.
Geoff
I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!
Pigging out before exercise could help build some nice glycogen stores, enabling more calories to burn the next day. You would have to be stricter on your exercise day though...
It often works out that way anyway, since if I'm riding the bike all day I have limited chances to snack, and then I CBA to cook much to eat afterwards!
That's fine until The Vorax1 emerges midweek. Please not to eat your mother or children.
1) The animal whose voracious appetite knows no bounds...
Bad day today as I am over my target on MFP, but had to get the paperwork done, and reduce the piles a bit.
Never mind off to the Cotswolds walking tomorrow. That will shift some calories.
Geoff
I wish sometimes I could spread my calorie input and output over 2 days not 1, to enable me to pig out the day before I do a lot of exercise and not go over the limit!
Pigging out before exercise could help build some nice glycogen stores, enabling more calories to burn the next day. You would have to be stricter on your exercise day though...
The downward trend continues.It encourages the continued abstinence of biscuits , ice creams & other snack-crap combined with smaller portions at meal times.That sounds good jogler! I'm following a similar plan :).
I've re-learned that drinking water can combat hunger pains.
I'm also eating more fruit.
Thank God for bicycles!
heading down again this week. Not by much, but that was the plan.
Also have tidied up my double posts in the thread as requested Feline.
Sorry Miss....
heading down again this week. Not by much, but that was the plan.
Also have tidied up my double posts in the thread as requested Feline.
Sorry Miss....
Didn't mean to tell anyone off, was just concerned the thread would be mahoosive by the end of December! :D
Oh bloody hell! There's a huuuge tube of jaffa cakes in the kitchen! *wibble*
Not really, just trying to be helpful |
That's it. It should make thoughts and smells of poo come into mind when you see Jaffa cakes, which should put you off eating them.
Of course, this is both more expensive and contains more packaging, which also irritates me. Really shouldn’t be so pathetic. And I’m not banning myself together, because that way lies obsessing about them before finally cracking and buying all the jaffa cakes I can lay my hands on and then Rob will come home and find me with semi-comatose with jaffa cake all round my mouth not unlike the lapsed nun in the ‘Lent’ episode of Father Ted….
ANy suggestins for someone who has been desensitised to the smell of poo?
McVitie's brand products are now manufactured in five United Kingdom factories: the two former McVitie & Price factories in Harlesden and Manchester, a former Macfarlane, Lang & Co. factory named Victoria Biscuit Works in Glasgow, a former Carr's factory named The Biscuit Works established 1831 in Carlisle, and the McVitie’s Cake Co. factory (formerly Riley's Toffee Works) in Halifax.
Was that a fruit orange or a chocolate one though? :)
Aye, but jaffa cakes ain't made there:QuoteMcVitie's brand products are now manufactured in five United Kingdom factories: the two former McVitie & Price factories in Harlesden and Manchester, a former Macfarlane, Lang & Co. factory named Victoria Biscuit Works in Glasgow, a former Carr's factory named The Biscuit Works established 1831 in Carlisle, and the McVitie’s Cake Co. factory (formerly Riley's Toffee Works) in Halifax.
Not sure which factory produces them, though.
, i don't like Jaffa's, it's those little marshmallow teacake things with the jam in them, i could eat... :hand:
it's those little marshmallow teacake things with the jam in them, i could eat... :hand:
Aye, but jaffa cakes ain't made there:QuoteMcVitie's brand products are now manufactured in five United Kingdom factories: the two former McVitie & Price factories in Harlesden and Manchester, a former Macfarlane, Lang & Co. factory named Victoria Biscuit Works in Glasgow, a former Carr's factory named The Biscuit Works established 1831 in Carlisle, and the McVitie’s Cake Co. factory (formerly Riley's Toffee Works) in Halifax.
Not sure which factory produces them, though.
Scotch Eggs give me the boak. :sick:
It's a boiled egg (reasonably healthy food) coated in sausage meat and breadcrumbs then deep fried. I'm going to have scrambled eggs on toast for dinner tonight, I've decided.
(I've eaten all the lettuce in the house).
This is why we need to get some miles in at the weekend. Anyway I *should* be eating haggis tonight, but I'm not. Scrambled eggs on toast is by comparison health food.
it's those little marshmallow teacake things with the jam in them, i could eat... :hand:
IIRC in Germany those are called 'Super Dickmann' ;D
Ok. Off on a few days holiday eating'n'drinking.We're all here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/
New me MUST start 1st February. Absolutely imperative lose a stone by June.
Being lazy (part of reason for needing to lose weight) can I ask the collective wisdom of the lurkers on this (humungeous) thread: what's the best on-line calorie counter/website for easily keeping track of daily ingestion?
(Sorry if this has been covered upthread, but it's over 150 pages!)
This is why we need to get some miles in at the weekend. Anyway I *should* be eating haggis tonight, but I'm not. Scrambled eggs on toast is by comparison health food.
Ok. Off on a few days holiday eating'n'drinking.We're all here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/
New me MUST start 1st February. Absolutely imperative lose a stone by June.
Being lazy (part of reason for needing to lose weight) can I ask the collective wisdom of the lurkers on this (humungeous) thread: what's the best on-line calorie counter/website for easily keeping track of daily ingestion?
(Sorry if this has been covered upthread, but it's over 150 pages!)
We're all here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/
what's the best on-line calorie counter/website for easily keeping track of daily ingestion?
........ The other half must have been through every site out there and has independently come to the conclusion that it's one of the better ones. She tells me that it's great strength is that the food database is both extensive and anglicised.Thanks; that's exactly what I'd hoped someone had done!
............. Having to record everything means that I think twice before scoffing it down.
That was my thinking - more an aid to strengthen willpower, rather than to be taken absolutely literally.
My Fitness Pal... I can certainly find most things I eat in there. I'm a bit dubious about the calories awarded for exercise - I tend to divide by two...
At the end of the day, it seems to work for me. Having to record everything means that I think twice before scoffing it down.
I'm still finding it relatively easy and have lost 4kg since the beginning of January (haven't weighed myself for a week so here's hoping there's some more lost as well). However, the only reason I am succeeding is that I am, without fail, cycling 20 miles per day to earn myself 700-800 calories, plus walking the dog (good for another 100). I can't exist on just 1660 calories a day, but with the extra that I earn I am managing to finish each day with a reasonable calorie deficit (usually 400-500) which seems to be working. This is a deficit over the amount MyFitnessPal says I should eat to lose 1lb a week, which is I think a 500 calorie deficit over 'remain the same'.
What's been fascinating to me is realising HOW MUCH I was eating during the day in the run-up to Christmas. Not portion sizes particularly (they are still huge - I like my spuds and veg) but biscuits, nuts, other nibbles. I reckon I was taking on board at least 1000 calories per day in nibbles. And having lots of cake.
Thank God for bicycles!
Simon, any news with the graphs yet? No pressure, just curious.
Regarding earning extra calories. I hope I'm not being rude/stating the obvious by pointing out that you should take a portion of the earnt calories away as they'd have been burnt even if you hadn't exercised.
It's something I read a while ago that supposedly catches many people out.
The MFP cycling figures are very optimistic. I manually use 400 kcals an hour unless I'm giving it welly.
Regarding earning extra calories. I hope I'm not being rude/stating the obvious by pointing out that you should take a portion of the earnt calories away as they'd have been burnt even if you hadn't exercised.
if for a certain heart rate i burn x amount of calories per hour when running, would i burn the same calories at the same heart rate when cycling?
if for a certain heart rate i burn x amount of calories per hour when running, would i burn the same calories at the same heart rate when cycling?
if for a certain heart rate i burn x amount of calories per hour when running, would i burn the same calories at the same heart rate when cycling?
Yes, in broad terms.
Rowers and others who use much upper body power (as well as leg power) may use more calories for a given HR.
Thanks Simon :)
Now the graphs examine both the 2011 and 2012 threads and show the last 26 weeks. No escaping the Christmas bulge now. :)
Mmm. I'm sure that's a good thing if you say it is. ;D
It's a very very tough cycle to break. I don't like oral steroids - they got me overweight in the first place when I was on them pretty much 50% of the time during my teenage years (when they play havoc with your hormonal development too, btw, which doesn't help mood/snacking etc), but they are bloody effective in clearing up asthma.
Sorry, where do we add height? I'm 183cm.
Thanks for all you're doing.
I had a look at yours and did that ;D
Figured you knew what you were doing ;)
That should be N.N Nm of course. :)
Fuckfuckfuck! That chocolate I bought before I started the diet? It ain't there any more. :-[
Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved. :(
As DrMekon points out, there's poo in it ;D
Fuckfuckfuck! That chocolate I bought before I started the diet? It ain't there any more. :-[
Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved. :(
Fuckfuckfuck! That chocolate I bought before I started the diet? It ain't there any more. :-[
Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved. :(
Don't worry! Just count it and go round the training route on your way home if neccesary :-*. It'll be fine. And as Feline says - it's not there now for you to go for next time.
Weeeell, if I add on a wee extra 10km on the way home, that should offset it, and get me to 1300km, too :thumbsup:I haz a plan :D
Fuckfuckfuck! That chocolate I bought before I started the diet? It ain't there any more. :-[
Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved. :(
On the up side, if it's now gone there's nothing left there to cave in to. Just don't go buying any more!
My mother bought me a shed load of chocolate for my birthday and my daughter bought Cadbury's Creme Eggs for me and Simon. I have a weakness for those damnit! And Simon has left his box of Thorntons here on my mantelpiece, where I am currently looking at it. Ohhh the temptation! The chocolates are all as yet unopened but this condition may not last!
Fuckfuckfuck! That chocolate I bought before I started the diet? It ain't there any more. :-[
Really anxious about summat right now, and I caved. :(
On the up side, if it's now gone there's nothing left there to cave in to. Just don't go buying any more!
My mother bought me a shed load of chocolate for my birthday and my daughter bought Cadbury's Creme Eggs for me and Simon. I have a weakness for those damnit! And Simon has left his box of Thorntons here on my mantelpiece, where I am currently looking at it. Ohhh the temptation! The chocolates are all as yet unopened but this condition may not last!
Just remember it's only two weeks until the next excuse to buy chocolates. :smug:
Walking in to work today to try and get off this plateau. 102.8 for 5 days in a row now.5 days is a mini plateau!- It'll soon start moving again :)
Geoff
I find knowing when to weigh myself a bit variable. I tend to do it 2-3 times per week and then get cast into a huge gloom when I've gone up a bit. Next day often if I weigh myself I'm loads less.
With regard to choosing when to note down my weight, basically when it's lower than the previous reading on MFP then I put it down. Such as today, when I had dropped 0.8kg, whereas when I weighed myself three days ago I had apparently put on 400g.
The more frequently you weigh yourself the clearer the trend is, assuming the noise is truly random. In practice it's not, which means that daily weighing might be overkill.
blah blah blah blah nekkid. blah blah blah blah
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered, and then you’re left feeling vaguely guilty/cross with yourself in a way that you wouldn’t have been if you’d felt like the transgression was actually worth it?!Doughnuts. Mainly. :-[
I must remember that sometimes the idea of something is nicer than the something itself.
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered, and then you’re left feeling vaguely guilty/cross with yourself in a way that you wouldn’t have been if you’d felt like the transgression was actually worth it?!
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered, and then you’re left feeling vaguely guilty/cross with yourself in a way that you wouldn’t have been if you’d felt like the transgression was actually worth it?!
I must remember that sometimes the idea of something is nicer than the something itself.
Do you ever really fancy something, and give in, only to find it’s actually not as nice as you remembered, and then you’re left feeling vaguely guilty/cross with yourself in a way that you wouldn’t have been if you’d felt like the transgression was actually worth it?!
I must remember that sometimes the idea of something is nicer than the something itself.
Hard day today.
Walked past a pub doing food, a chinese, an indian, 2 pizza places, the super-duper market and the chip shop. God it was tough.
But, I walked past.
Go me.
Hard day today.
Walked past a pub doing food, a chinese, an indian, 2 pizza places, the super-duper market and the chip shop. God it was tough.
But, I walked past.
Go me.
\o/
Hard day today.
Walked past a pub doing food, a chinese, an indian, 2 pizza places, the super-duper market and the chip shop. God it was tough.
But, I walked past.
Go me.
\o/
Simon, on the other hand, did not make it past the Chinese this evening! ;D
Without a sex change and a 12" height gain, I have to aim for 1200 net or I lose nothing.
No wonder I get grumpy!
Calorie counting.No chance,that's far too serious for me ::-)
I have a test this evening. I have made curry - lots of curry. Also, there is naan bread and chutneys. I will have to ensure that I have just the one moderate helping.
I like that it scales fats etc according to energy use. Live strong didn't seem to do that which meant a well balanced high intake diet went into the red on fat too easily.
I like that it scales fats etc according to energy use. Live strong didn't seem to do that which meant a well balanced high intake diet went into the red on fat too easily.
You are literally eating 3 times the number of calories as me :o
Well, I'm not looking forward to tomorrow's weigh in. I succumbed on Sunday to Tesco's bargain offer of 12 hot cross buns for £1. The packet(s) now seem to be empty... :facepalm:
They were good, though
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise, a feeling of constant deprivation and my reward?
Up nearly a kilo.
Yay me.
Well, I'm loving this.:(It's depressing when that happens. It's all that toned muscle you're putting on. :-* Don't give up! It's got to start moving again soon.
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise, a feeling of constant deprivation and my reward?
Up nearly a kilo.
Yay me.
Well, I'm loving this.
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise, a feeling of constant deprivation and my reward?
Up nearly a kilo.
Yay me.
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise
Well, I'm loving this.
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise, a feeling of constant deprivation and my reward?
Up nearly a kilo.
Yay me.
Hmm, down 0.5kg again (seems to be becomming the overall trend) :)
Hmm, down 0.5kg again (seems to be becomming the overall trend) :)
same here.
slowly slowly catchee monkey.
This loss is due almost entirely to a change in diet & eating habits.If I could break my lazygit lifestyle & do some exercise,such as riding a bike regularly ::-),there might be more loss.
Then again there might be a fat-to-muscle conversion which could be counter productive given that muscle is heavier than fat.
it's likely that boab now has more muscle & less fat.
burned 86 calories doing 20 minutes of "Walking, carrying infant or 15-lb load"What's the load you keep carrying round boab? I know I used to have a friend who was walking round with a rucksack full of porridge oats once when she was training for the coast-to-coast walk.
Up early every day for half an hour of vigorous exercise
Sorry, am I the only one reading this who sees boab write that and thinks 'oh aye?'...
Yes? Just me and my filthy mind then. Oh well.
Boab - yay you, indeed. Sticking with it when it's a bit tough going is very much worth a yay.
Well, you've just got a dirty mind, haven't you? O:-)
So have I.
Keep at it boab! You may be up this week, but you'll probably go down next.
Keep at it boab! You may be up this week, but you'll probably go down next.
Half an hour's vigorous morning exercise is 5km row, 5 km run, turbo or Jillian weirdos 30 day shred.
I've no idea what else I might be doing. Not that only lasts 30 minutes, anyway.
Keep at it boab! You may be up this week, but you'll probably go down next.
Can you track the calories for that in whatever-the-app-you're-all-using-is-called?
No net calorie consumption by that rationale: protein shake in vs, erm, pushups?
I am wondering if MFP is double counting some of the calories I am burning off because I chose an 'active' activity level but I log all my cycling exercise as separate items. If I took away the cycling then my activity level could probably be more accurately described as 'blob'. I even walk the dogs by bike and I rarely go anywhere without the bikei put myself down as sedentary for entirely that reason.
I am wondering if MFP is double counting some of the calories I am burning off because I chose an 'active' activity level but I log all my cycling exercise as separate items. If I took away the cycling then my activity level could probably be more accurately described as 'blob'. I even walk the dogs by bike and I rarely go anywhere without the bikei put myself down as sedentary for entirely that reason.
I am wondering if MFP is double counting some of the calories I am burning off because I chose an 'active' activity level but I log all my cycling exercise as separate items. If I took away the cycling then my activity level could probably be more accurately described as 'blob'. I even walk the dogs by bike and I rarely go anywhere without cycling.
I am wondering if MFP is double counting some of the calories I am burning off because I chose an 'active' activity level but I log all my cycling exercise as separate items. If I took away the cycling then my activity level could probably be more accurately described as 'blob'. I even walk the dogs by bike and I rarely go anywhere without cycling.
Yes, it will be. The activity level is supposed to represent general activty that you wouldn't log. If you had a manual type job you migt describe it as 'active'. I use the blob setting and then add all activity, including cycling and even 20 min walk to the shop. I also log all my cycling as 'moderate' regardless of whether it was moderate or hard. I even log hard turbo sessions as 'moderate stationary bike'. Definitely don't use their speeds as an indicator, perception of effort is much better. Before I started using MFP 18 months ago I used to manually log food intake & exercise (& protein vs carb intake etc.), and it's a pain in the arse to calculate calorie usage well.
I knew I slobbed out for a decent part of November/December but I hadn't realised I'd put on nearly a stone in that time.
A slight weight gain this week,but I think we are in the same boat,here.Not being able to cycle due to icy roads doesn't help.Still lost about 5kg in the last 6 weeks,so musn't grumble.
I was down a kilo this morning.Maybe yesterday's was a blip? it was just waiting to catch up :)
Random.
I was down a kilo this morning.
Random.
It’s made me twice as regular. ::-)
t was just waiting to catch up :)
Got a reading today at 58.6 kgs at 06:15, which was I suppose a 'true' weight, (and pre normal morning ablutions), but I wonder whether I need to put on some more to keep me warm in this bitter cold??In my experience, it is much easier to lose layers, than lard.
I've got to say that I've noticed I'm feeling really good these days - lively, energetic, as if my lung capacity has expanded whilst my waistline has slightly contracted. I've lost 6.2kgs and it's very noticeable now with my clothing. I'm probably back to my pre-pre-Christmas-mega-eating-lard-building weight, which is still much, much higher than it should be, but there's clearly a downward tendency.I'm feeling the same way, save that I've hardly been out since the weather got colder. Noticeably, my weight has hardly changed in that time - almost all the loss was beforehand.
I think getting my cycling mojo back has helped so much - I'm eating about 2200 calories a day, what with the 2 hours' cycling and half hour of walking, and still losing weight.
I must keep on with this!+1 as they say.
Got a reading today at 58.6 kgs at 06:15, which was I suppose a 'true' weight, (and pre normal morning ablutions), but I wonder whether I need to put on some more to keep me warm in this bitter cold??In my experience, it is much easier to lose layers, than lard.
Much better this week. but I think Mr Smith's scales weigh lighter than mine :(Stick with them then ;D
My weight has gone up since Christmas.
I have a definite target now though. I'm best man at a wedding in June. All the men are wearing the same suit, which they don't make in my size. :-[ I have to drop at least 2 inches off the waist to fit into it.
Now, I just need to stop eating pies and move a bit more. :(
My weight is currently fluctuating by as much as 2kg during each day. According to MFP it should be falling and I'm doing a reasonable mileage, but have definitely eaten too many meals out over the past 5 days while Simon was here. Hopefully I am just redistributing blubber to muscle, but this could be wishful thinking!
I have altered my base activity level to sedentary so I'm only recording things I do as exercise this week, and it gives me a few less calories I can eat. I'm now staring at my valentines chocolates :facepalm:
Have signed up on MyFitnessPal which I'm finding quite helpful and fun to use. But I feel its not really allowing me sufficient calories - anyone else experienced this?
Initially I was told I could have 1200 daily cals....horror! I 'customised' it to 1400. During the 5 days I have been on the programme have felt soooo hungry, even after using up the extra calorie allowance from exercise. Exercise has been a 200k audax, 2 hours of walking and 40 mins of running. I put down my lifestyle as 'active'.
What daily calorie targets are the rest of you on?
Have signed up on MyFitnessPal which I'm finding quite helpful and fun to use. But I feel its not really allowing me sufficient calories - anyone else experienced this?
Initially I was told I could have 1200 daily cals....horror! I 'customised' it to 1400.
Of course it could be that at 54kg you really don't need to lose any weight.
There are far too many people posting on this thread who don't actually have a weight problem. I find it very demoralising.
...There are far too many people posting on this thread who don't actually have a weight problem...
There are far too many people posting on this thread who don't actually have a weight problem. I find it very demoralising.
Mea culpa. I'm sorry if it's demoralising, that really isn't the intention. :(
d.
Sometimes thin people who find it easy/don't have to worry about it just make me angry instead, and that's very motivating.
Obviously, I'm just jealous.
Sometimes thin people who find it easy/don't have to worry about it just make me angry instead, and that's very motivating.
Obviously, I'm just jealous.
Ditto.Sometimes thin people who find it easy/don't have to worry about it just make me angry instead, and that's very motivating.
Obviously, I'm just jealous.
If it's any consolation, I certainly haven't found it easy to get my weight back into the "healthy" range and it has taken a long time. And I know that a lapse in concentration would see me soon put it all back on again.
I like food too much. AndbeerStrawberry milkshake. It will never be easy for me to maintain a healthy weight.
d.
If you look at my average speed, you'll realise that I don't breeze through the miles at all. And I'm suffering with a swollen knee where the bikes fell on me on the train. My job is sedimentary, 'tis true, but most of my riding is commuting.
he Frontal Surface Area (FSA) is an estimation of the degree to which your body shape effects wind resistance. The greater the calculated value the greater the wind resistance. For you this equates to 0.42m2 which compares poorly to elite road cyclists who score 0.32m2. A key factor in this analysis is the percentage body fat with elite males having an average value of 11.0%, although this has been shown to increase to around 13.4% during the off season. Your score is currently 18.0% which is higher than would be expected for a road cyclist. Therefore by reducing your fat mass and maintaining your aerobic fitness you will automatically become a more economical athlete. There are two options: firstly consider your diet and examine the total amount of calories that are being consumed in the form of saturated/trans fats. Secondly the levels of fat mass may be a consequence of the training phase that you are currently in. Therefore if the volume of training was to increase fat mass would decrease.
Sometimes thin people who find it easy/don't have to worry about it just make me angry instead, and that's very motivating.
Obviously, I'm just jealous.
If it's any consolation, I certainly haven't found it easy to get my weight back into the "healthy" range and it has taken a long time. And I know that a lapse in concentration would see me soon put it all back on again.
I like food too much. And beer. It will never be easy for me to maintain a healthy weight.
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Quotehe Frontal Surface Area (FSA) is an estimation of the degree to which your body shape effects wind resistance. The greater the calculated value the greater the wind resistance. For you this equates to 0.42m2 which compares poorly to elite road cyclists who score 0.32m2. A key factor in this analysis is the percentage body fat with elite males having an average value of 11.0%, although this has been shown to increase to around 13.4% during the off season. Your score is currently 18.0% which is higher than would be expected for a road cyclist. Therefore by reducing your fat mass and maintaining your aerobic fitness you will automatically become a more economical athlete. There are two options: firstly consider your diet and examine the total amount of calories that are being consumed in the form of saturated/trans fats. Secondly the levels of fat mass may be a consequence of the training phase that you are currently in. Therefore if the volume of training was to increase fat mass would decrease.
That's my reason for losing weight.
Also better this week. Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.
S
I just weighed in, I've missed caring for a week or so due to other health scares. 130.8kg! That is another one in the wrong direction and it actually puts my BMI at 43.8 :o
I need to start to actually think about what I eat, when I eat, how much I eat and then do some exercise as well. I have managed to log a total of 69 miles so far in February and all of them were too much!
I know the main areas of food Items that I am pigging out on are exactly the ones I should eat very little of but the Self Sabotage is obviously at work here and I don't know how to get round that.
I'll try and do better next Wednesday's score time.
I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).
I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).
Cheese on toast last night. After I had closed my diary so was not counted in MFP.
and while my BMI is now down to 26.9 I was certainly up in the high 30's several years ago. There is no short term solution, but just keep plugging away, and do the exercise. It all helps.
Geoff
If it really starts getting to me I'll just start a new thread : Weight loss discussion for fat bastards.Or
I'll do what I used to do years ago and just do a word document listing everything I eat and drink in a day. It did help me figure out the trends of BAD :hand: and showed me the timeline when things were going well.
I know but it was after a couple of hours sleep and then woke up and could not go back to sleep. I could not then be bothered to fire up the computer. So in my heart I was over on the calories, but MFP was on my side and below target.I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).
Cheese on toast last night. After I had closed my diary so was not counted in MFP.
and while my BMI is now down to 26.9 I was certainly up in the high 30's several years ago. There is no short term solution, but just keep plugging away, and do the exercise. It all helps.
Geoff
You can still edit a completed diary entry if you missed something.
I know but it was after a couple of hours sleep and then woke up and could not go back to sleep. I could not then be bothered to fire up the computer. So in my heart I was over on the calories, but MFP was on my side and below target.I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).
Cheese on toast last night. After I had closed my diary so was not counted in MFP.
and while my BMI is now down to 26.9 I was certainly up in the high 30's several years ago. There is no short term solution, but just keep plugging away, and do the exercise. It all helps.
Geoff
You can still edit a completed diary entry if you missed something.
Geoff
I might have lost a little weight.
I weigh 74kg in clothes and shoes. I weighed 74kg starkers a few weeks ago.
I will have to forego my Jaffa Cakes, croissants and snacking for many more months as I can't exercise.
I am aiming for a BMI of 24, which means there's about a stone to go...
I might have lost a little weight.
I weigh 74kg in clothes and shoes. I weighed 74kg starkers a few weeks ago.
I will have to forego my Jaffa Cakes, croissants and snacking for many more months as I can't exercise.
I am aiming for a BMI of 24, which means there's about a stone to go...
This must take extreme willpower, you have my admiration Helly!
I think the two for £20 includes a little more than the two for £10. The wine may be a better choice. We got a bottle of pink Cava and a small box of chocolates (which had nine chocolates in--how is that supposed to be romantic?)Also better this week. Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.
S
I noticed that Tesco's two dine for £10 offer was £15 during the Valentine's week despite the meal choices being the same. Did M&S also go for a similar cheeky price hike?
I think the two for £20 includes a little more than the two for £10. The wine may be a better choice. We got a bottle of pink Cava and a small box of chocolates (which had nine chocolates in--how is that supposed to be romantic?)Also better this week. Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.
S
I noticed that Tesco's two dine for £10 offer was £15 during the Valentine's week despite the meal choices being the same. Did M&S also go for a similar cheeky price hike?
S
I think the two for £20 includes a little more than the two for £10. The wine may be a better choice. We got a bottle of pink Cava and a small box of chocolates (which had nine chocolates in--how is that supposed to be romantic?)Also better this week. Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.
S
I noticed that Tesco's two dine for £10 offer was £15 during the Valentine's week despite the meal choices being the same. Did M&S also go for a similar cheeky price hike?
S
Ah ok, that doesn't sound as cheeky as Tesco. Nine chocolates though, what were they thinking?
First time in several years so not a problem ;)I know but it was after a couple of hours sleep and then woke up and could not go back to sleep. I could not then be bothered to fire up the computer. So in my heart I was over on the calories, but MFP was on my side and below target.I've determined I have a seriously unhealthy snacking problem when there's bread in the flat (or anything else that I can eat without having to prepare it too much).
Cheese on toast last night. After I had closed my diary so was not counted in MFP.
and while my BMI is now down to 26.9 I was certainly up in the high 30's several years ago. There is no short term solution, but just keep plugging away, and do the exercise. It all helps.
Geoff
You can still edit a completed diary entry if you missed something.
Geoff
I wouldn't beat yourself up over a single midnight feast situation. Just don't do it every night!
One issue I do have is that my partner cooks for me in the evening (I am very lucky) but its quite big portions and I don't have much control over what we have, I never want to appear ungrateful and I'm totally rubbish at stopping when full and seem unable to leave anything on my plate. A habit I need to break.
Rode 20ish miles with fboab and Chris S yesterday.
Today I am 2kg lighter. Magic!
Rode 20ish miles with fboab and Chris S yesterday.
Today I am 2kg lighter. Magic!
Rode 20ish miles with fboab and Chris S yesterday.
Today I am 2kg lighter. Magic!
Did they surgically remove part of you and eat it? :o
I have started doing several classes at the gym like body pump, pilates, body balance and not sure how many calories they burn, body pump must burn a fair few but maybe I should just leave those as extra and not log them. They also totally overestimate cycling. I weight 9 stone 4- any ideas how many cals an hour cycling might burn? I reckon maybe 350 riding generally and 300 at audax pace?I count 500/hr whatever. I reckon it evens out. 500/hr gives me enough to keep riding on without being the ridiculous amounts the websites suggest.
Down 1.5kg since my last weigh in - a week of flu. I feel weak as a kitten.I've been thinking of hiring you- all that calorie-burning cleaning. You could come on over to Suffolk and get a Great Burn in my house ;)
Yes, does anyone want to do my cleaning?Sounds like you are doing too much. You need quite a lot of carbs to maintain that level of exercise and not wear down. I find even my 9 mile commute in the evening is a struggle if I just have salad for lunch - I either have soup and bread for lunch or pasta and the pasta is better.
24 miles and body pump before work this morning. I meant to weigh myself but I forgot. Have had my porridge with fruit and protein for breakfast but still hungry. I guess we need to be hungry sometimes. Ate quite well yesterday, but I reall struggle with less than 2500 calories. I'm not going to lose weight on that :(
Have spinning at lunchtime, 45 min circuit class after work and an 11 mile cycle home. Soup and salad for lunch. No idea what dinner is but have bought in some healthy snacks.
There Will Be Pancakes Tonight.
1580 calories... 6 ft 2 and weigh 81kg
I don't actually feel that hungry (stomach must be getting smaller) and last night I barely managed to finish my evening meal. I'm mentally struggling to break past the 80kg mark, have hovered around it and gone up a little but not broken through it yet, I'm hoping this weekend I'll be through it, or at least very, very close to it.
I'm increasing my daily calorie intake from 1400 to 1600 (before exercise).
I am feeling devoid of energy - which just won't do.
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking :thumbsup:
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking :thumbsup:
Well done! How long ago did you quit the smoking?
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking :thumbsup:
Well done! How long ago did you quit the smoking?
2 years ago this April, and i could still murder a smoke just now. Like most people i replaced the fags with biscuits and cakes :P that's why i'm in this position just now.
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking :thumbsup:
A steady drop for me too, just delighted to be under 14st, the first time since i quit smoking :thumbsup:
Well done! How long ago did you quit the smoking?
2 years ago this April, and i could still murder a smoke just now. Like most people i replaced the fags with biscuits and cakes :P that's why i'm in this position just now.
Blimey! You are doing brilliantly then. I gave up smoking nearly 26 years ago and I can't remember the urge to smoke carrying on more than a few weeks. Mind you, I was never a very heavy smoker. How long did you smoke for?
It's about 25 years since I was 90kg but that's my target for the end of 2012. It's still overweight.
I think you're decribing the fable of the hare and the tortoice with reference to weight loss. Is that what you meant?That's how I read it. To give yourself time to acclimitise to being the size you are, to avoid complacency.
I can pull my jeans down without undoing the button!!!!
I think this might mean it's time to fish out the box of Size 16 clothing ;D
I think I meant that if you lose it too quickly you might well be more liable to put it back on again.
After a year of my weight staying alarmingly stable, I weighed myself this morning and found that I'd dropped about 3kg in a week. Now I have been not-entirely-trivially ill for a chunk of that, but it still seems barely plausible. Are Wiis known for lying about such things?
I can pull my jeans down without undoing the button!!!!
After a year of my weight staying alarmingly stable, I weighed myself this morning and found that I'd dropped about 3kg in a week. Now I have been not-entirely-trivially ill for a chunk of that, but it still seems barely plausible. Are Wiis known for lying about such things?
I shed 2kg in four days when I had flu recently. It soon went back on though. Mostly dehydration, I think.
d.
Completely blown it this evening - found a box of forgotten After Eights from Christmas - they do go down so easily - even when you get to the 10th, 11th, 12th... :-[
Dropping weight at a steady pace, down 15 kg since Jan. 1 and sticking to my diet : 2300 Kcal/day and plenty of vegetables. :D :DWhen I PM'ed you yesterday I had not seen your post -
We had the £10 option tonight (or rather, we had the main course and side dish--the pudding is for tomorrow and the wine has just gone into the rack).I think the two for £20 includes a little more than the two for £10. The wine may be a better choice. We got a bottle of pink Cava and a small box of chocolates (which had nine chocolates in--how is that supposed to be romantic?)Also better this week. Despite the cakes brought by a friend over the weekend which he refused to take away with him, the curry on Sunday evening, and the M&S eat in for £20 Valentine's meal last night.
S
I noticed that Tesco's two dine for £10 offer was £15 during the Valentine's week despite the meal choices being the same. Did M&S also go for a similar cheeky price hike?
S
MFP grossly overestimates calories burned.
I'm amazed at the amount people reckon they are burning on rides. 50 miles I reckon only earns me about 1100 (granted, I'm a 58kg female but even still, there are some massive numbers being thrown around). Even for a 200k Audax, I only get about 2,500-2,700
Oh yes and forgot to mention the cycling to work figures were on my heavier bike with full pannier on. I'm much lighter for Audaxes.
I did a study for Someones research project at a lab in Twickenham. The given figure for running is 100 cal a mile, I was burning 70. My OH who is 6 foot and 11 stone burnt 110.
Sorry Simon I didn't mean MFP gives everyone 100 cals a mile. I didn't explain that at all well. I mean its what u read generically in all the magazines/books about running.
I used my power tap yesterday and it says I output 2530kJ over the whole ride. Even being very generous, that can’t be less than 2500 calories for 70 miles, and doesn’t allow anything simply for the time spent cycling in addition to the output at the wheel, and assumes muscle efficiency at the high end.
I used my power tap yesterday and it says I output 2530kJ over the whole ride. Even being very generous, that can’t be less than 2500 calories for 70 miles, and doesn’t allow anything simply for the time spent cycling in addition to the output at the wheel, and assumes muscle efficiency at the high end.
What do you get if you just convert the watt-hours to kcal?
I'm a little confused with that. A 'calorie' in dieting terms is actually a kCal. So the powertap is saying you burnt 625 kCal above normal activity in that time? ???
The efficiency of human muscle has been measured (in the context of rowing and cycling) at 18% to 26%. The efficiency is defined as the ratio of mechanical work output to the total metabolic cost, as can be calculated from oxygen consumption. This low efficiency is the result of about 40% efficiency of generating ATP from food energy, losses in converting energy from ATP into mechanical work inside the muscle, and mechanical losses inside the body. The latter two losses are dependent on the type of exercise and the type of muscle fibers being used (fast-twitch or slow-twitch). For an overal efficiency of 20 percent, one watt of mechanical power is equivalent to 4.3 kcal per hour. For example, a manufacturer of rowing equipment shows burned calories as four times the actual mechanical work, plus 300 kcal per hour,[17] which amounts to about 20 percent efficiency at 250 watts of mechanical output. The mechanical energy output of a cyclic contraction can depend upon many factors, including activation timing, muscle strain trajectory, and rates of force rise & decay. These can be synthesized experimentally using work loop analysis.
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How do you obtain the calorie figures you're using? The 150w-180w range is about what I've measured for my Audax riding, and I think you're faster than me. I averaged 160w or so on Saturday, but that was spending 1/2 the ride in a bunch, and power was very variable.
I'm a little confused with that. A 'calorie' in dieting terms is actually a kCal. So the powertap is saying you burnt 625 kCal above normal activity in that time? ???
No, more like 2500 plus some. Detailed answer follows:
The powertap is saying that I output 2530kJ of work in that time. This is 625kCal, roughly (it's actually a little less). However that is output energy not input energy (which is what food calories - kCal indeed - are).
Before I used livestring and then myfitnesspal I tended to assume that 1kJ => 1kCal, i.e. canceling out the 4:1 division. This approximation assumes that the 4.2:1 ratio between a kCal and a kJ is roughly cancelled out by the inherent efficiency of about 25% in human energy matabolism. Hence the figure I would have used would be 2530kCal.
From wikipedia:QuoteThe efficiency of human muscle has been measured (in the context of rowing and cycling) at 18% to 26%. The efficiency is defined as the ratio of mechanical work output to the total metabolic cost, as can be calculated from oxygen consumption. This low efficiency is the result of about 40% efficiency of generating ATP from food energy, losses in converting energy from ATP into mechanical work inside the muscle, and mechanical losses inside the body. The latter two losses are dependent on the type of exercise and the type of muscle fibers being used (fast-twitch or slow-twitch). For an overal efficiency of 20 percent, one watt of mechanical power is equivalent to 4.3 kcal per hour. For example, a manufacturer of rowing equipment shows burned calories as four times the actual mechanical work, plus 300 kcal per hour,[17] which amounts to about 20 percent efficiency at 250 watts of mechanical output. The mechanical energy output of a cyclic contraction can depend upon many factors, including activation timing, muscle strain trajectory, and rates of force rise & decay. These can be synthesized experimentally using work loop analysis.
Note the 300kcal/hour constant used by Concept II on the rowing machine. I think you have to assume an increased energy burn from cycling over and above that purely attributable to mechanical power (e.g. it takes more effort to ride an electric bike than to lie in bed). I'm not sure how much we can attribute to that but it can't be zero so there must be some additional energy consumption above that ~2500kCal that I can't directly measure.
The eBay seller I bought my dynamo hub USB cable from has sabotaged my diet by including a box of German chocolates with my order!
The eBay seller I bought my dynamo hub USB cable from has sabotaged my diet by including a box of German chocolates with my order!
The eBay seller I bought my dynamo hub USB cable from has sabotaged my diet by including a box of German chocolates with my order!
Give them negative feedback!
There's a holiday in April and another in June. My target for those two weeks is not to do too much damage.I think you're doing the wrong kind of holiday. My days off this year, as booked, will probably result in massive calorie deficits.
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100kg for the Dun Run (30th June) is still a possibility but will involve exploring territory unknown in over a quarter of a century.
There's a holiday in April and another in June. My target for those two weeks is not to do too much damage.I think you're doing the wrong kind of holiday. My days off this year, as booked, will probably result in massive calorie deficits.
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100kg for the Dun Run (30th June) is still a possibility but will involve exploring territory unknown in over a quarter of a century.
there could be an incentive if you reach that (e.g. light racing bike and lycra kit?.. ::-))
I thought I'd done really well this week. Then I thought again. Six pounds loss on what I've been eating this week just isn't possible. Oh well. Next week should be a bit easier.And now that I've been able to access the records properly I see that I've been effectively flat-lining for three weeks.
Had Sunday Lunch with my parents (in-laws in tow).
Full roast chicken with trimmings
Bread & butter pudding
Trifle with cream
Then afternoon tea and lemon drizzle cake.
Only had time for 15 miles on the bike and too rainy for more than 20 minutes walking the dog so I will have a BIG calorie overrun today. But I have had very few days like this so I think the odd day or two off the diet shouldn't do much harm. Here's hoping!
Well I've found a way of losing a kilo while not sticikng to any diet at all - just get the flu ::-)That system worked for DrMekon too :-\. Hope you are feeling better soon.
I've set up MFP for no weight loss and I seem to be achieving that goal.
+1kg this week.
Without serious & sustained diet control I expect to continue the recent yo-yo cycle.This has occurred previously so it's not unexpected.
I'll try to get out on the bike more to see if regular exercise has the desired effect.S&S diet control is something I'm not good at 'cause I do like my food.
I measured bits at the end of February. I've lost a fair number of cms in a short number of weeks.
However, that's not the point. For once, I don't care about looking better/slimmer (it could be a bad thing, as I really have no spare cash for clothes), or even having more muscle- I've never had a problem in the power part of the equation.
There needs to be fewer kg of me!
Up this week but I suspect it's hormonal and will disappear very soon. Or isn't, and won't. All I can do is keep on keeping on, and work harder at passing Greggs on the way home.
I weigh 69.8kg and I have a 78cm waist. In late 2009 I had an 87cm waist!
I weighed and measured myself just now.
I weigh 69.8kg and I have a 78cm waist. In late 2009 I had an 87cm waist!
There's only one answer to that question, surely? Chocolate!
There's only one answer to that question, surely? Chocolate!
One snag, the only chocolate in the house is Simon's :-X
Was 15st this morning :thumbsup:
Thinking about it, it's about 15yrs not 20.
Even so I'm still pleased about it ;D ;D
Losing more than 20kg like I need to, is going to take a long time and it's dull, it's hard work, and I'm bored of worrying about whether I can 'afford' pizza for lunch or not. I'm sick of thinking about food, it's not healthy to obsess about it this much. That's my punishment for being a lardy bastard for so long and I should learn to HTFU and get on with it.
I'm bothered about 2 weeks of no weight loss despite 2 hours of exercise a day and not having anywhere near as much butter in my life as I'd like.
I'm just whinging.
I'm sick of thinking about food, it's not healthy to obsess about it this much. That's my punishment for being a lardy bastard for so long and I should learn to HTFU and get on with it.
My wife has expressed a concern that I'm starting to look like a cyclist - you know, the ones on the telly, with the finely toned legs, firm buttocks and scrawny, twig-like arms.
well, different sports, different jobs - naturally body changes to adapt..
If and when I manage to lose another 10kg, I think it will show an awful lot more. I'm still a fat bastard with lots of excessive wobbly bits. Most of it seems to have come off my belly. My cup size doesn't seem to have ben affected. 17st 4lb or thereabouts in real money today.
...I've decided to give MyFitnessPal a try. I've never counted calories before, so this could be interesting...
...I've decided to give MyFitnessPal a try. I've never counted calories before, so this could be interesting...
I never had before either. I'd tried recording all I ate, but that was relatively meaningless.
It seems to work for quite a few people.
I lost over 1kg this week (total lost = 8kg), which was pleasing. Perhaps I should do an FNRttC every week ;)
This week I celebrated losing 10kg since the start of the year. I had an apple.
I've decided to give MyFitnessPal a try. I've never counted calories before, so this could be interesting...
I've decided to give MyFitnessPal a try. I've never counted calories before, so this could be interesting...
So what do I do for lunch today? Gave in to temptation and dig in to the leftovers from one of today's meetings (canapes and other assorted finger foods). How am I supposed to record that? Oh well, lesson learned. As things stand, don't think I ate more than I did for lunch yesterday, and if I carry on as yesterday I should have a few hundred left-over calories. In the long run, guess this should keep me from munching on meeting leftovers.
*heads off to search for "single prawn, cherry tomato, button mushroom and olive on a skewer"* (skewer not consumed) ;D
I think up of something roughly equivalent to the various bits I scoffed. I realise it's not an exact science. Maybe this will make me think a bit more about what I eat, not just how much.
David objects to the titanium dioxide in Thousand Island dressing...
David objects to the titanium dioxide in Thousand Island dressing...
Why? It'll make his teeth look whiter. Well... everything really, not just teeth.
My fingernails seem to be getting rather splitty and weak - is that a side-effect of dieting? I'm still getting loadsa calcium, but perhaps it's not that.
My fingernails seem to be getting rather splitty and weak - is that a side-effect of dieting? I'm still getting loadsa calcium, but perhaps it's not that.
My hair, of course, is the envy of all the girls.
that or not eating enough and your body is in 'starvation' mode, refusing to give up any 'stored energy'. Eat more! :)
I had the munchies most of this week and consequently have failed to crack the 60kg barrier yet again. Lesson learned ... don't buy a 12 pack of Cadburys Creme Eggs and expect to be able to make them last more than 3 days :facepalm:3 :o how do you make them last 3 days?
I’m almost at maintenance now so not bothering with MFP so muchWe know! It told us to encourage you! ;D
New gluttony PB today. 5000 calories.
[/quote]I’m almost at maintenance now so not bothering with MFP so muchWe know! It told us to encourage you! ;D
Food diary tracking has perhaps been working too well for me - I often find myself in M&S covetously browsing the cream cakes aisle, but then looking at the nutrition info on the packaging and recoiling in horror.... I've conditioned myself to resist. Which is obviously A Good Thing. Up to a point.
i watched this film yesterday and found it interesting - it answers the question why it's not easy/simple to lose weight:That's interesting, thanks for the link.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01dzfgb/Horizon_20112012_The_Truth_about_Fat/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01dzfgb/Horizon_20112012_The_Truth_about_Fat/)
Don't lose sight of the fact many attractive people are within more wrapping than many un-attractive folk who have little packagingIt's not about being attractive/unattractive. It's about 1000km, in That Scotland. The Snow Roads. The Midland Super Grimpeur. And my knees.
:)
Whilst singing (tunelessly, I'm told)
Don't lose sight of the fact many attractive people are within more wrapping than many un-attractive folk who have little packagingIt's not about being attractive/unattractive. It's about 1000km, in That Scotland. The Snow Roads. The Midland Super Grimpeur. And my knees.
:)
We're only doing the middle 200Don't lose sight of the fact many attractive people are within more wrapping than many un-attractive folk who have little packagingIt's not about being attractive/unattractive. It's about 1000km, in That Scotland. The Snow Roads. The Midland Super Grimpeur. And my knees.
:)
The first and final 50k of the MSG 300 are flat.
Just means it's 4800m of climbing in the middle 200k.
21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.
My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.
Ladies are supposed to have some blubber. :).21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.
My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.
I never get why my BMI is lower than yours, when I have actual blubber (at the moment) and you don't :-\
That's easy- because BMI is just a guide. It doesn't take into account how much of your mass is muscle/fat/bone. Simon has a lower bodyfat than you. And so he should, you're female, and are 'supposed' to have more fat.21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.
My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.
I never get why my BMI is lower than yours, when I have actual blubber (at the moment) and you don't :-\
That's easy- because BMI is just a guide. It doesn't take into account how much of your mass is muscle/fat/bone. Simon has a lower bodyfat than you. And so he should, you're female, and are 'supposed' to have more fat.21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.
My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.
I never get why my BMI is lower than yours, when I have actual blubber (at the moment) and you don't :-\
Stands to reason that of people with an identical BMI some of them will have more fat and some more muscle. Some will have heavier bones. A little old lady/ very sedentary person with my BMI would be HUGE as opposed to the LARGE of me. Some of my mass is muscle and bone that they wouldn't have.
Don't lose sight of the fact many attractive people are within more wrapping than many un-attractive folk who have little packagingIt's not about being attractive/unattractive. It's about 1000km, in That Scotland. The Snow Roads. The Midland Super Grimpeur. And my knees.
:)
21.5 is only a bit more than seems to be typical of world class cyclists, so not a big deal. You've lost cm though so probably have more muscle and less fat.
My BMI is currently 21.6 and most people seem to think I'm skinny.
I never get why my BMI is lower than yours, when I have actual blubber (at the moment) and you don't :-\
Male and female norms for body fat differ. I do have fat on me though. Just above my hips and on my
lower back, in the main. When you used my bf scales your were in the female fitness range and I was in the male fitness range.
Male and female norms for body fat differ. I do have fat on me though. Just above my hips and on my
lower back, in the main. When you used my bf scales your were in the female fitness range and I was in the male fitness range.
I think I was about 5kg lighter than my current weight at the time thobut!
Women must have more fat because they have bigger boobs. O:-)FTFY
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Male and female norms for body fat differ. I do have fat on me though. Just above my hips and on my
lower back, in the main. When you used my bf scales your were in the female fitness range and I was in the male fitness range.
Women must have more fat because they have bigger boobs. O:-)FTFY
I'm slightly surprised that my weight is exactly the same as it was before the ride (normally it fluctuates, up or down, by 2kg or more) but I'm not at all concerned about it.
I'm more surprised that I can burn that many calories and not feel hungrier than I did at the end of the ride yesterday. Had a baked potato and beans at the finish and it properly filled me up. Wasn't even tempted by the fine array of cakes on offer.
Having said that, I did just find myself looking at the clock and wondering why it isn't lunchtime yet...
d.
I'm popping over to M&S shortly for a custard choux bun. They come in packs of two. Would you like to go halves to help me avoid eating both of them? Only 300 calories per bun!
d.
It would appear there maybe is a god. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17511011)
1 Cadbury's Boost = 2 thick slices of cheese = 6 apples = 1.25kg cabbage.Is that lunch?
d.
Only 1.5kg to go for me, then i can stop all this calorie counting - phew
Up 400g.
What the hell else am I supposed to do? I'm hungry, a lot of the time. I'm riding for at least an hour, usually longer, every fucking day. I'm doing some stupid american woman's circuit training. I'm tired, I'm hungry, I'm bored of this, and I'm not fucking losing any weight!
Can you borrow a HRM? MFP estimates can be quite variable in their accuracy.HRM reckoned (about a year ago, about 5kg lighter) about 700kcal/ 55 minute commute. I'm allowing 500kcal/hr as I don't believe MFP
Are you doing the rolling average measurement thing Citoyen recommended?I'm weighing daily and watching the trend. It reckons me to be losing 0.8kg/month. It's not enough. Net calories are around 7700/week. MFP reckons my BMR is 10,200/week. I must have the BMR of an inert gas, I think.
Fboab, I totally empathise. I don't know what else I can do, I get up before 5am every day- 3 hours of exercise before work, 45 mins spin class every lunchtime and 1 hour exercise after work. Plus an audax every weekend. I eat 2000-2200 calories a day. I'm frustrated too. :(How much sleep are you getting? I'm not being facetious, it's a serious question. I reckon for me the answer is 'not enough' and I think it would make a difference.
It's not rocket science is it?
I'm not losing weight, so I must need to eat less and/or do more. I just don't want to, I'm doing as much as I've time & energy for, and I'm eating as little as I can bear.
No wonder I'm depressed.
A high volume exerciser such as yourself will be more sensitive to errors in estimation of calorie burn. Trying to maintain a precise calorie deficit (250 kcals per day, say) in the face of an error of only 10% in calorie burn figures if you burn say 2000 calories per day becomes quite tricky, since the error bars are already nearly as large as the thing you are trying to measure.
It's also problematic when trying to estimate food intake if you didn't prepare it yourself. I try to weigh stuff I do myself, and it helps that Feline is doing MFP as well, so when I ask how much stilton she gave me, she can tell me "70 grammes". When I was at my parents' over Christmas & New Year 2009-2010, I had just started the Livestrong calorie counting and was often not cooking for myself. I had to guess how much food I was given. My sister also thinks I'm greedy and doesn't get how I can eat as much as I do. Hence small portions which I seemed to be over-estimating, constant hunger, and excessively fast weight loss.
Surely I burn more than 1000 in 5 hours?
I keep having this hunch reading this thread that some people might be sending their bodies into starvation mode from the heaps of exercise and so are storing more than normal from what they eat. I reckon what makes up the calories eaten is as important as how many there are overall. Carbs can be the enemy if they are the wrong kind at the wrong time.
I do take anti-depressants and suspect I will as long as I am not running.Me too. And I've been banned from running ;)
Has the battery packed up, or is it the machine itself?Well I changed the battery (for the only spare I have) and it still didn't work.
The past two days have been a salutary lesson in what happens when I let up. Tuesday was Dez's birthday and we had take-away curry and, even though Mrs. Wow and I shared stuff we might well have had one each of previously (onion bhaji, nan bread) I still ate too much.
Yesterday involved absolutely no cycling, about 120 miles of driving, some lovely fresh bread at lunch time in which I over-indulged, and another curry, home-made this time, in which, again, I over-indulged. And beer - 2 pints.
The result is that the lowest the scales would reluctantly allow was 109.7kg, but mostly 110.3kg. Given that, on Tuesday morning I couldn't make them go above 110 and they settled, eventually, on 108.8, that shows that I've gone backwards extremely rapidly.
Next week I'm on holiday. I think I'm going to steer clear of ale if I can. There will, at least, be reasonably cycling days: not huge number of miles, but there will be hills, it being Southern Scotland.
The past two days have been a salutary lesson in what happens when I let up. Tuesday was Dez's birthday and we had take-away curry and, even though Mrs. Wow and I shared stuff we might well have had one each of previously (onion bhaji, nan bread) I still ate too much.
Yesterday involved absolutely no cycling, about 120 miles of driving, some lovely fresh bread at lunch time in which I over-indulged, and another curry, home-made this time, in which, again, I over-indulged. And beer - 2 pints.
The result is that the lowest the scales would reluctantly allow was 109.7kg, but mostly 110.3kg. Given that, on Tuesday morning I couldn't make them go above 110 and they settled, eventually, on 108.8, that shows that I've gone backwards extremely rapidly.
Next week I'm on holiday. I think I'm going to steer clear of ale if I can. There will, at least, be reasonably cycling days: not huge number of miles, but there will be hills, it being Southern Scotland.
I'd say that means your gut is full and you're well htdrated, nothing more. Weight trending over such a short period is pointless IMO.
When preparing food for you it is generally easiest to assume that you are in fact 2 people and feed you accordingly!
Well my HRM worked all the way round my 21 mile loop today.
Except it was consistently reading lower than my usual, around the 110s instead of the 125s. I decided to go super-effort up a hill and got it up to 172, but that's nowhere near my former max (not that I felt I was riding at max effort).
Downside is I've only burned 550 calories for what would normally have been 800ish. My average speed was as usual (11.6mph for this route). Weird. But if it's going to have an error, underreading is preferable so I don't eat calories I haven't burned off, and yet the diet was working well on the previous reading. It could all be in my head but somehow I don't think so. We shall see!
Use hotels with a gym or swimming poolIt has both. But the pool is tiny and I've never used a gym (not since leaving school anyway!).
Have your 'normal' breakfast in the hotel. For me that's cereal, orange juice & coffee. If you don't exercise when having frequent 'full English' your weight loss is at risk.I'd come to that conclusion as well, Helly! Much as I love a fry up...
but I've fainted 3 times,
Don't know how many kgs but it is nearly 4 inches on the belt now. And I eat loads of junk but putting them in the miles in the HARD way.You mean that you haven't made any ice cream or bought any Jarlsberg?
Having prided myself on Steady Weight but No Exercise, (I had not weighed myself last year at all) it appears I have gained 10lb.
I am going to have to Be Sensible.
There are still three uneaten Chocolate Oranges from Christmas. At the rate we attack them, I don't think they are the cause of the problem.
Looks like I'll be a Diet Bore too...
We're nearly half way through the month, and I've done just 130km of cycling. This shows. :facepalm:11/30 = 36%. 'Half Way' tcha.
We're nearly half way through the month, and I've done just 130km of cycling. This shows. :facepalm:11/30 = 36%. 'Half Way' tcha.
Have you been talking to Jasmine?
We're nearly half way through the month, and I've done just 130km of cycling. This shows. :facepalm:
I'm down more than a kilo after a week of absolutely no exercise and eating like someone who needs the comfort of chocolate, cake and, erm trifle :-[
I am off the opiates though. Mostly.
I feel like shit today.
I have put my activities from yesterday in to MFP.
2700-odd calories of food.
2300-odd calories of exercise (200 minutes of cycling).
Leaving me with a deficit of 1600-odd calories.
I feel like shit today.
I have put my activities from yesterday in to MFP.
2700-odd calories of food.
2300-odd calories of exercise (200 minutes of cycling).
Leaving me with a deficit of 1600-odd calories.
I feel like shit today.
Let that be an educational example to us all...
I have put my activities from yesterday in to MFP.
2700-odd calories of food.
2300-odd calories of exercise (200 minutes of cycling).
Leaving me with a deficit of 1600-odd calories.
I feel like shit today.
Let that be an educational example to us all...
I didn't mean to have such a large deficit. Was somewhat over on the previous days but too little time to have breakfast then finding there was no buffet car on the train didn't help. :(
I have put my activities from yesterday in to MFP.
2700-odd calories of food.
2300-odd calories of exercise (200 minutes of cycling).
Leaving me with a deficit of 1600-odd calories.
I feel like shit today.
Let that be an educational example to us all...
I didn't mean to have such a large deficit. Was somewhat over on the previous days but too little time to have breakfast then finding there was no buffet car on the train didn't help. :(
It's always possible you feel crap because I kept you awake all night on Tuesday night feeling ill rather than because of the deficit! I had an awesome 5200 deficit Friday and 1500 Saturday, but felt pretty normal for me other than crash damage on Sunday.
I've adjusted my calorie goal down to 1800/day from 2050. This should lose me about 200g weight/week which should mean with Feline's current trend continuing, we should come down from ~130kg (60+70) to ~128kg (59 + 69) combined weight in time for the Bryan Chapman. That's the theory anyway.
Well, Lady Cavendish, I suppose that means congratulations and best wishes are due.
Another 3kg to go and I will be happy. The question is will I get there by the Bryan Chapman?
Do not restrict your energy intake for a week before a Big Ride. Carrying an extra kilo or so (How much FAT will you lose in a week? 500g?) is much easier than dragging >60kg of Dead Body over 600km...
Do not restrict your energy intake for a week before a Big Ride. Carrying an extra kilo or so (How much FAT will you lose in a week? 500g?) is much easier than dragging >60kg of Dead Body over 600km...
Agreed, however it is Simon and not I that will have to drag my dead body round the BCM ;D
Do not restrict your energy intake for a week before a Big Ride. Carrying an extra kilo or so (How much FAT will you lose in a week? 500g?) is much easier than dragging >60kg of Dead Body over 600km...
Agreed, however it is Simon and not I that will have to drag my dead body round the BCM ;D
I had hoped you'd survive the Brevet Cymru!
Do not restrict your energy intake for a week before a Big Ride. Carrying an extra kilo or so (How much FAT will you lose in a week? 500g?) is much easier than dragging >60kg of Dead Body over 600km...
Agreed, however it is Simon and not I that will have to drag my dead body round the BCM ;D
I had hoped you'd survive the Brevet Cymru!
I hadn't realised you were prepared to kindly take me around the BCM if I didn't, in order to make sure I got my SR :-*
Prepping for a presentation to a psychobiology group on Monday. Any of you who are friends with me on MFP might have seen how much I use oats and apples. Here's why
A satiety quotient: a formulation to assess the satiating effect of food. (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fernaehrungsdenkwerkstatt.de%2Ffileadmin%2Fuser_upload%2FEDWText%2FTextElemente%2FErnaehrungswissenschaft%2FNaehrstoffe%2FSaettigungsquotient_Green_Blundell_Appetite_291_1997.pdf&ei=12OcT4ebCIni8QPW_bnYDA&usg=AFQjCNHy7CAru53Jf6gWuo5-tg5_cLpezg)
The Satiety Index List (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ernaehrungsdenkwerkstatt.de%2Ffileadmin%2Fuser_upload%2FEDWText%2FTextElemente%2FErnaehrungswissenschaft%2FNaehrstoffe%2FSaettigung_Lebensmittel_Satiety_Index.pdf&ei=12OcT4ebCIni8QPW_bnYDA&usg=AFQjCNFKwjCu02H60eM4k01A9OfmIMtdQw)
Presenting 'cos I've come up with an novel idea of how weight loss could be promoted. This lot know their arse from their elbow when it comes to eating behaviour and weight loss, so had the outline proposal not received such a warm welcome, I'd feel well out of my depth. Will be delighted if we can get some funding.
Prepping for a presentation to a psychobiology group on Monday.
One of my charges had a party. The kitchen is full of things I like to eat and I'm rather tired which is a bad combination :(. I don't think my next couple of weigh ins are going to be good. :-[
I was 71kg last night. In a T-shirt.
I appear to be lighter than my last weigh-in.
Oatcakes do not count as junk.
Oatcakes do not count as junk.
They are, perhaps surprisingly, quite high in calories though (they're about 20% fat).
d.
Prepping for a presentation to a psychobiology group on Monday. Any of you who are friends with me on MFP might have seen how much I use oats and apples. Here's why...
Depends how you make them. I'm sure mine (though made with England's finest LARD) aren't 20% fat.Oatcakes do not count as junk.
They are, perhaps surprisingly, quite high in calories though (they're about 20% fat).
d.
I'm suffering big time with morning sickness and just feel generally terrible.
Oatcakes do not count as junk.
Oatcakes do not count as junk.
absolutley detrooth.
The Priest House cafe in Audley do divine oatcakes with a variety of fillings.The cheese & mushroom ones are worth the 100km ride in themselves.
Guess how I know this :D
Oatcakes do not count as junk.
absolutley detrooth.
The Priest House cafe in Audley do divine oatcakes with a variety of fillings.The cheese & mushroom ones are worth the 100km ride in themselves.
Guess how I know this :D
Fillings? Ah, you're talking about Staffordshire oatcakes. I was thinking of Scottish oatcakes.
d.
Oatcakes do not count as junk.
They are, perhaps surprisingly, quite high in calories though (they're about 20% fat).
d.
Depends how you make them. I'm sure mine (though made with England's finest LARD) aren't 20% fat.Oatcakes do not count as junk.
They are, perhaps surprisingly, quite high in calories though (they're about 20% fat).
d.
Is that including the weight of the cast?What cast?
There you are then - it's the weight of all that metal. :-\4kg of metalwork would certainly explain the reduced strength and mobilty of my hand... ::-)
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM
::-)
so I've simply changed the current reading at the bottom of the page
...If you can find "2nd" in the chard, ....
...If you can find "2nd" in the chard, ....
...then you've won a runner-up prize in the Produce Show ;)
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM
::-)
so I've simply changed the current reading at the bottom of the page
Today is the only 2nd of the month this year which is a Wednesday. If you can find "2nd" in the chart, it goes in there.
...If you can find "2nd" in the chard, ....
...then you've won a runner-up prize in the Produce Show ;)
And you ought to be too busy to pick up that typo. I'd corrected it within 30 seconds!
Back to work with you!
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM
::-)
so I've simply changed the current reading at the bottom of the page
And I can take my trousers off without undoing them! :thumbsup:
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM
::-)
so I've simply changed the current reading at the bottom of the page
deja vous.I can't see the previous "intuitive" pattern of the table ::-)
A 1kg increase is a reflection of a lack of riding for the past 10days so I'd best get on my bike
Being the IT philistine that I am I cannot add today's reading to the table 'cause I can't see were to put it in the "modify" screen IYSWIM
deja vous.I can't see the previous "intuitive" pattern of the table ::-)
. Ignore any
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An unusual week. I ate a fair bit, including ice cream and barbecue stuff. I was under my calories most days, but not by massive amounts. I did do a FNR, but was low on miles on some other days. Besides, I did a longer FNR last week, when I lost no weight at all.
So I wasn't expecting to lose as much as I did. I hope I can keep it off.
As per last week, today is the only "9th" this year which is a Wednesday. The same will apply for all Wednesdays this month. Once you get into June, there will only be one column left to fill in in the top half of the grid, so that should be able to guide you.
Oh dear :( Hope you're OK LadyC.
Oh dear :( Hope you're OK LadyC.
Citoyen, I never do the carb load thing, I never find I need it. I just eat a decent dinner....
total deficit 13,500 which is what it usually takes for a pound to come off me. The graph doesn't help me all that much as it's green anyway if that makes sense!!
I seem to be just about maintaining my current weight despite the temptations and lack of exercise caused by living in a hotel half the week. Really must look at the gym in the usual hotel, but I've never been in a gym (not since leaving school in 1977 and I think they've changed a bit since). Any advice?
Just realised there's no 30 May. I'll have to see if I can bodge one in on the chart. :-[
Weight up again this week, but I'm happy that things are going reasonably well. I've ridden a lot this week.
Just realised there's no 30 May. I'll have to see if I can bodge one in on the chart. :-[
Weight up again this week, but I'm happy that things are going reasonably well. I've ridden a lot this week.
Well, there is a 30th May, it's just that it appears under 27th June!
You will need either to cut and past 30th from the last [ td][/td ] on the line to the penultimate one, or you could copy my line in which it appears and overwrite yours.
I'm not sure if I should even put my weight in the chart this week, I am 3kg up on last week but I am suffering from a post-Bryan Chapman leg swelling of epic proportions so it will probably all be gone by next week!Put it up, then next week will look great!
But if AH now has more muscle mass, will she not be burning more calories by just sitting and doing nothing?
Don't the HRMs have a fitness rating to adjust for this effect?
Cracked the 100 kg barrier this week 99.2kgWell done!
Geoff
Cracked the 100 kg barrier this week 99.2kg
Cracked the 100 kg barrier this week 99.2kg
Geoff
I’ve got a new way of visualising the weight loss too; last night while shopping I loaded up a shopping basket with 3.6kg of cheese, just to see what it represented. 3.5kg of cheese looks like quite a lot. Looking forward to when I need a shopping trolley to put it all in!
Up 1.6 kg today after yesterdays 200k audax and I do not think that I over fed. so it could be liquid going into the muscles to help with the repair process drank 4 li + tea and passed not a lot, and very dry this morning, 1/2 li water first thing before even tea.
Geoff
magic combination today - the 6th of the 6th my weight is 66.6
Don't worry about it. You don't get fat in 6 weeks. Even I can only put on a stone or so in that time and I would live on chocolate and ice cream, left to my own devices. It won't take long to go when you are back to normal. Enjoy the rest and give yourself time to heal.
I'm 0.5kg lighter this morning than yesterday.Last night I slept in a bivvy bag beneath a tarp.Is there a connection?
after six months, I am still trying and logging my weight each week. That has never happened before.
Something strange going on with the graphs: auntie helen’s graph looks like it’s a mixture of two different people’s graphs. Well, I guess it’s something to do on the train.
I've checked mine and my goal calories (which are basically BMR as I've set it to sedentary) plus the exercise calories is taken as net calories, from which the food is deducted. There's none taken off the BMR for period of time I was exercising there that I can see (unless there is something I am missing!).Dunno about you, but my BMR is still ticking away in the background when I'm exercising. All those basic functions are still going on.
I've checked mine and my goal calories (which are basically BMR as I've set it to sedentary) plus the exercise calories is taken as net calories, from which the food is deducted. There's none taken off the BMR for period of time I was exercising there that I can see (unless there is something I am missing!).Dunno about you, but my BMR is still ticking away in the background when I'm exercising. All those basic functions are still going on.
It may well undercount the exercise calories because (for example) an experienced cyclist will be more efficient, but that's not the same as not needing the BMR calories.
I've found the MFP calories correlate pretty well with estimates from my HR monitor, and Simon has cross checked with his power tap and they are pretty good. But unless they deduct your BMR hourly they would be an overestimate.If you use the HRM when you're not exercising, how many calories does it say you're using?
I don't know what else I can do :(Rest. Give your body a day off a week to recover.
I don't know what else I can do :(
I might not be a very good example to follow though because Simon (who can smell ketones, only a few people can) has noticed I go ketotic after long rides (or even medium ones sometimes). I must be breaking down a lot of fat and protein to supply myself with energy during the rides for this to happen.
I might not be a very good example to follow though because Simon (who can smell ketones, only a few people can) has noticed I go ketotic after long rides (or even medium ones sometimes). I must be breaking down a lot of fat and protein to supply myself with energy during the rides for this to happen.
I’ve only noticed twice: after the Brevet Cymru and after the Bryan Chapman. You ate about half as much food as I did on those rides.
Neither is cycling for 3 hours every day just to burn the excessive calories that our "natural state" expects us to ingest.
Being permanently hungry makes it extremely difficult to concentrate on anything else.
I started to try and lose weight at the beginning of the month at 105kg. After a search I found Libra (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.cachapa.libra&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsIm5ldC5jYWNoYXBhLmxpYnJhIl0.) a weight tracking app which uses an exponentially smoothed moving mean to give a weight trend.
I finally did last week's graph update last night, and it was broken again, wowbagger having weights from a deleted account, so another fix. Now I might do today's one tonight.
I finally did last week's graph update last night, and it was broken again, wowbagger having weights from a deleted account, so another fix. Now I might do today's one tonight.
How does that work then? I've only had one account as far as I know.
I've been permanently hungry for the last week and my food consumption reflects that. Hence I'm up half a kilo...
Three hot cross buns and two pieces of ginger cake today to, er... celebrate? ;D
d.
According to the writer of fiction that is our bathroom scales,
My diet is suspended until further notice.
I have just discovered that orange juice with bits in contains roughly the same number of calories as does ale.
Does this mean that I should drink more ale or less orange juice?
According to Dr. Andrew Weil, a Harvard educated doctor currently working at the University of Arizona Health Sciences Center, the acetate from alcohol metabolism is the first fuel to burn for energy. During this time, the body will burn very little of any other form of energy such as the fatty acids stored up in adipose tissue, postponing the act of weight loss. A study published in "The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" found that the metabolism of alcohol decreased whole body lipid oxidation by 73 percent.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/280263-alcohol-fat-burning/#ixzz20RkMKdXL
Alcohol inhibits fat burning, so consuming alcohol along with a meal is likely to cause ingested carbs and fat to end up being stored as fat.QuoteAccording to Dr. Andrew Weil, a Harvard educated doctor currently working at the University of Arizona Health Sciences Center, the acetate from alcohol metabolism is the first fuel to burn for energy. During this time, the body will burn very little of any other form of energy such as the fatty acids stored up in adipose tissue, postponing the act of weight loss. A study published in "The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" found that the metabolism of alcohol decreased whole body lipid oxidation by 73 percent.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/280263-alcohol-fat-burning/#ixzz20RkMKdXL
But surely if you have just ridden for a few hours and used up all your muscle glycogen stores your body has no choice than to use the calories you consume on a pub stop to fuel the rest of your ride?
I actually find I ride quite fast for about an hour after a pint of beer, I wonder if my body is using the alcohol as rocket fuel ;D
Starting today.
I realised I don't want to be fat when I'm thirty. I've got a while to go (May 2014), but at five stone I've also got a lot to lose.
Fingers crossed!
A journey of a thousand miles must start with one step.
Five stones is a lot and realistically, will take a long time.
Good luck and keep going despite holidays, Christmas, parties, work stress and hunger!
Target 1 achieved 94.8 this morning, now for target 2Well Done!
+ 1.5 kg :(
far too much cake,pizza,wine & whisky during the last 5 days.
Older,fatter but seemingly not wiser ::-)
Not having been at home yesterday, I weighed myself this morning. The best from 10 attempts was 110.1. It's all pies.
Not having been at home yesterday, I weighed myself this morning. The best from 10 attempts was 110.1. It's all pies.
Starting today.
I realised I don't want to be fat when I'm thirty. I've got a while to go (May 2014), but at five stone I've also got a lot to lose.
Fingers crossed!
It's going a bit moobs up :(I've lost focus a bit too :-\. I think a combination of ice cream season and not really riding at the weekends is the problem.
It's going a bit moobs up :(
Do you want it Sir? Do you? Do you? Do you want it?
That's some mean weight loss, Citoyen. I think it shows that the self-denial you've demonstrated is not down to 'willpower', more like 'desirepower'. Do you want it Sir? Do you? Do you? Do you want it? Sort of thing
I've lost 7Kg in about 9 weeks (down from 83Kg to 76kg).
Saw physio this morning, very pleased with progress on my back. Essentially discharged.I've lost 7Kg in about 9 weeks (down from 83Kg to 76kg).
Great work!
d.
I'm now just over 40 kg lighter
just over 40 kg lighter
I'm now just over 40 kg lighter and still losing slowly but surely.
Do we have a forum Biggest Loser? ;D
:thumbsup:
I'm stepping back from this thread on the basis that I'm not having battles in the same league as others here are. I'm still watching how you're all doing though and cheering you on. Opinions on another thread have upset me enough not to want to discuss the minuniae of my weight loss alongside those who have a larger battle on their hands. I get what you are up against and do not wish to make light of it by posting about my more minor battles.
I'm 1kg down this morning on yesterday. ???
I'm stepping back from this thread on the basis that I'm not having battles in the same league as others here are. I'm still watching how you're all doing though and cheering you on. Opinions on another thread have upset me enough not to want to discuss the minuniae of my weight loss alongside those who have a larger battle on their hands. I get what you are up against and do not wish to make light of it by posting about my more minor battles.Thank you.
Fast day today. Sods law being what it is, Chris fasts for a day and sheds kilos, I fast for a day and gain 200g. Both of these are noise. One of them pisses me off (and it isn't Chris being lighter).
After 8 months of alternately calorie counting and filling the empty miserable hollow of my heart with cake, I am, quelle surprise, the exact same weight as I was in January. Whoop de fucking doop. I'm toying with taking up smoking again. I reckon my obesity is probably just as unhealthy, and given my level of fitness (pretty good, just for clarification) reduced lung capacity would be less of a cycling hindrance than the spare 20+kg I'm lugging around.
Shame it's so vile.
Coincidentally, 2 stone would get me to 12 stone "something" (I don't care about anything else, I just want to see 12st xxx on the scales because I've only see 13st, 14st and 15st for the last 10 years).
Fast day today. Sods law being what it is, Chris fasts for a day and sheds kilos, I fast for a day and gain 200g. Both of these are noise. One of them pisses me off (and it isn't Chris being lighter).
After 8 months of alternately calorie counting and filling the empty miserable hollow of my heart with cake, I am, quelle surprise, the exact same weight as I was in January. Whoop de fucking doop. I'm toying with taking up smoking again. I reckon my obesity is probably just as unhealthy, and given my level of fitness (pretty good, just for clarification) reduced lung capacity would be less of a cycling hindrance than the spare 20+kg I'm lugging around.
Shame it's so vile.
I can empathise.
Food is my drug and skinny people will never understand that you can address the disappointment of gaining weight by eating more.
At least with Heroin and cigarettes it's possible to use total abstinence as a recovery technique.
After my post-PBP blob-out I finally said "enough is enough" last week (PBP anniversary would you believe). I've said "enough his enough" many times but, in the space of 1 year I have experienced the extremes of my fitness (2 weeks after PBP I was flying on my bike effortlessly and clothes fit me) and lack thereof (I'm struggling up hills and running out of belt holes).
You see I'm fighting an evil side of my brain, it really is like the angel and devil stood on my shoulders, whispering conflicting advice.
I guess that the devil is actually a million years of evolution telling me to eat while I can, because there won't be an Antelope to eat tomorrow (substitute Chicken Tikka as appropriate), and the angel is my conscious brain thinking how great it would be to ride up hills and wear 32" waist jeans again (without taking a big deep breath and hoiking on my belt of course).
You see I could eat everything in my fridge followed by 20 Cadbury's chocolate mini-rolls (and I'm not even joking).
So, what I learned over the years is:
1. Your Brain will trick you into giving up. It really will do anything to make you give up, make you depressed, make you consider smoking and, most of all, will make you start eating. Your brain really wants you to start eating. It will make you depressed, tell you to eat something to make yourself better and then make you depressed for eating...ahhh..what a wanker my Brain is.
2. I don't enjoy eating as much I as think I will. My Brain tricks me into thinking I will. If I pig out I ALWAYS regret it afterwards. Damn that fucking brain. I could make a video to myself, to watch before I eat too much, "You really won't enjoy this as much as your brain is telling you..you fool".
I don't think I need the video now, I've learned what my brain is doing.
3. I prefer feeling fit and light on the bike to any meal I've ever had. I prefer looking good in clothes to the feeling after a heavy meal.
Of course I love the feeling of eating a guilt-free heavy meal, 70km into a 200km ride say.
4. I know it's frustrating that, after a week of dieting, you gained a few pounds. That's just your Brain's way of saying "give up, it just isn't working". But it will. Usually the following week I make up for that "noise" and things get back on plan.
You just have to write that week off and know that, over a month, it will work out.
Ergo. People weigh themselves far too frequently.
5. Weight loss is simple maths. Calories in vs Calories out. I know it's impossible NOT to lose weight if I burn more calories than I eat.
Therefore I don't kid myself. I don't have a slow metabolism, I have a metabolism and that's that. Slow metabolisms can't make calories out of air. If you continue to gain weight then you are eating too much. Your evil Brain won. It told you "you have a slow metabolism", that "you get fat just by breathing" so "what's the point?".
If this happens then you are kidding yourself.
6. 3500 calories = 1 pound of fat (give or take). You gain a pound of weight then you ate 3500 calories too many.
You burn an extra 3500 calories then your body will source that by "chopping off a lump of body fat and lobbing it on the fire".
1 pound a week is a perfectly sensible and achievable amount to lose in a week, that's 500 calories a day deficit, but let's use 1/2 pound a week, or 250 calories a day. 250 calories (yes, yes..Kcals, I know) is really nothing. It's a chocolate bar or a couple of spuds.
1/2 pound a week is 26 pounds a year, let's call that 2 stone a year.
Coincidentally, 2 stone would get me to 12 stone "something" (I don't care about anything else, I just want to see 12st xxx on the scales because I've only see 13st, 14st and 15st for the last 10 years).
7. If I look at the long term, like PBP 2015 then 1/2 pound, or even 1/4 pound per week will get me into great shape. I just have to battle my Brain until then (actually it's a forever deal).
So, summary (for me, if this is going to work): Prepare to have a life-long fight with my evil brain, always remember how much I regret eating lots, remember how great it is to be light on a bike, weigh myself every month and that 1 pound a month is perfectly fine.
This may make sense to food-addicts but naturally skinny types will tend to think "just don't eat so much" in the same way that Tory MPs tell Heroin addicts to stop taking so much Heroin.
2. I don't enjoy eating as much I as think I will. My Brain tricks me into thinking I will. If I pig out I ALWAYS regret it afterwards. Damn that fucking brain. I could make a video to myself, to watch before I eat too much, "You really won't enjoy this as much as your brain is telling you..you fool".
Steve Peters is the most important person in my career.
At the moment I'm reading Dr. Steve Peters'* (http://www.chimpparadox.co.uk/) book. It's the first "self help" book I've ever read and I think it's chuffin' brilliant. What fboab, Mr Metcalfe and Ham are describing (very neatly I should add) is Steve's Chimp Paradox. I would recommend the book to anyone, we can all learn something. My copy cost about £7 on Kindle.
* In case you don't know, he's the clever bloke who has worked with the Team Sky and British Cycling squads including Wiggo, Sir Chris and Vicky Pendleton who said:QuoteSteve Peters is the most important person in my career.
We all have a chimp, but according to Dr Peter's theory that's not all bad - hence the paradox. The trick is learning to manage your chimp.
We all have a chimp, but according to Dr Peter's theory that's not all bad - hence the paradox. The trick is learning to manage your chimp.
Will spanking the monkey help at all? I'm willing to try it if it helps.
So this genius comes up with the idea of a chimp in your head. Is this in any way related to the Monkey Mind described by Gautama Buddha about 2500years ago? #pluscachange
So this genius comes up with the idea of a chimp in your head. Is this in any way related to the Monkey Mind described by Gautama Buddha about 2500years ago? #pluscachange
So this genius comes up with the idea of a chimp in your head. Is this in any way related to the Monkey Mind described by Gautama Buddha about 2500years ago? #pluscachange
My first thought when I heard about the chimp quote was "I can't believe it's not Buddha"
Fast day today. Sods law being what it is, Chris fasts for a day and sheds kilos, I fast for a day and gain 200g.I come from a family of short, round people. Figures that resemble an overfed robin.
You know how some bikes attract the Pun*ture Fairy? I think some people attract the F*t Fairy. It's a miserable, sardonic git of a thing, whose sole pleasure is sneaking up on people and implanting fat by a sort of reverse liposuction.
but it really is calories in vs calories out.
but it really is calories in vs calories out.
Carved into tablets of stone.
I could do with a cigarette substitute that doesn't taste or smell of cigarettes.
but it really is calories in vs calories out.
Carved into tablets of stone.
I could do with a cigarette substitute that doesn't taste or smell of cigarettes.
Fellatio?
YHPM
Carved into tablets of stone.
I could do with a cigarette substitute that doesn't taste or smell of cigarettes.Nor all the other associated health risks.Cigarettes were, for me,the most effective fasting technique.
When I was smoking I ate much much less than I do now & virtually no cakes,crisps,biscuits etc.
I read that earlier, and thought about linking it to the thread on alternate day fasting. There may be something in it.
And I imagine our consumption is approaching that level.
ADF can be hard work, especially when combined with a lot of cycling, but it certainly seems to have helped kick me off the plateau I was on.
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Oh bugger. Today's not going well.
Oh bugger. Today's not going well.
Not too bad in the end, though. I'm back below the 90kg I'd gone up to with not riding. I hope this bodes well for the next few weeks, as there are three big milestones just ahead:
87kg - One quarter of bodyweight lost from maximum in c.2004
86kg - 30kg lost from same point
85kg - Current target.
I'm aiming for 80kg overall, but I'll be pleased if I can knock these ones off soon, as my weight has plateaued a bit, even before the off.
Oh bugger. Today's not going well.
Not too bad in the end, though. I'm back below the 90kg I'd gone up to with not riding. I hope this bodes well for the next few weeks, as there are three big milestones just ahead:
87kg - One quarter of bodyweight lost from maximum in c.2004
86kg - 30kg lost from same point
85kg - Current target.
I'm aiming for 80kg overall, but I'll be pleased if I can knock these ones off soon, as my weight has plateaued a bit, even before the off.
We're about the same weight and aiming for about the same target. Cycling must be bloody easy at 80Kg..I want to find out.
I haven't see 80kg/12.5 stone for a very long time, maybe 20 years. I'd settled into a just-slightly-too-fat Sine Wave fluctuating between 13.5 & 15 stone, 86-96kg.
We'll see, it's much easier said than done.
Well, I suppose a 1 lb loss after a fortnight in Belgium is some sort of success...
Fair enough really.
My what a difference a week makes. 71.6kg. It’s 2009 all over again. Looks like calories are back off the menu.
Fair enough really.
My what a difference a week makes. 71.6kg. It’s 2009 all over again. Looks like calories are back off the menu.
Depends how much is muscle, surely? If you are working on cycling performance, it's all about Power:Weight - so more weight is OK if it gives you More Power :)
...bought a Fitbit Aria WiFi scale. Rather chuffed with that. I didn't have a scale before, so wasn't able to participate in the weightloss chart.
Automatically recognises usersWith an easy set-up process, the scale will automatically recognise up to eight users.
Which way to the Weight GAIN Discussion Thread? :'(
Yesterday: 89.0kg
Today: 87.8kg
Could be a bit dehydrated. :(
I had my first all day Shrinking Thinking workshop yesterday. Tough day!Can we have a precis?
Fraid so; get well soon!
Don't expect this illness to drop your body weight long term by more than about 0.5kg...
I am sure I have read somewhere that hot bread crust straight out the oven due to its higher molecular energy has less calories, especially when consumed away from mealtimes. Makes sense to me.
I have decided to suspend my participation.
I have decided to suspend my participation.
Contrary to the above I am unable to resist the temptation to report that that I have lost weight in the last two weeks.
I began to realise that I am losing weight again when I had to keep hoisting my trousers up a couple of weeks ago so weighed myself.In the last week I have had to use braces to keep my trousers up so got on the scales again this morning.
A 2kg loss.
Not too shabby at all considering I'm not even trying to lose weight.I might give the morning & afternoon Penguin bars a miss hereafter.
Really hard to describe it in a way that doesn't make it sound like complete bollocks. It's about how your brain works and how that affects how, why and what you eat and all the choices you make about diet and exercise. Over the course of the programme you essentially rewire your brain so that you behave differently. I think if you're someone who just needs to lay off the lager and walk a bit more and you can motivate yourself to do that, it might not be helpful, but if you're one of the people who will buy a 6 pack of Mars Bar icecreams and eat the lot within an hour because you're upset about something, it helps you learn another way of coping. I've been clear with them that my meals are healthy enough, it's the crap I eat between meals that are the issue, but that I don't want to stop eating cake and chocolate completely. I'd like to have the same relationship with them that I have with alcohol - I have loads of alcohol in the house, plenty of it's never been opened, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I might open a bottle of wine on a Friday night and I won't finish it until the Sunday or Monday and it might be a month before I open another bottle - I like it, but it isn't sitting there calling my name in the way that chocolate does.I had my first all day Shrinking Thinking workshop yesterday. Tough day!Can we have a precis?
Riddle me this. How can I gain weight in my sleep?You're sleepwalking to the fridge? ???
Riddle me this. How can I gain weight in my sleep? Quite frequently I'm 3-4 lbs heavier in the morning (post pee) than I am last thing at night. This usually happens if I've had a reasonably low cal day and I suspect it's probably something to do with water loss, but I still find it odd all the same.
Well, after the recent talk with my doctor and realising that the "Midden has hit the Windmill" with the Diabetes complications I now have no choice but to Sort things out a bit. I only need to lose about 50 kilos though so it shouldn't be too hard... should it :-( I weighed in made 130.2 kg the Official starting point.
Not a good start and I know the reasoning behind ot so I will try and do better next week. Lost 0.5KG!
Some weeks you get .5 kg down, some weeks 1kg, 2kg or nothing, it is almost never a straight line downwards
If the long term trend is downwards, but the behaviour modifications are so difficult that the reward isn't motivating, what then?
I have decided to suspend my participation.
Contrary to the above I am unable to resist the temptation to report that that I have lost weight in the last two weeks.
I began to realise that I am losing weight again when I had to keep hoisting my trousers up a couple of weeks ago so weighed myself.In the last week I have had to use braces to keep my trousers up so got on the scales again this morning.
A 2kg loss.
Not too shabby at all considering I'm not even trying to lose weight.I might give the morning & afternoon Penguin bars a miss hereafter.
Well done EG. Have you changed your diet, too, or is it just the extra exercise do you think?I'm trying to restrict cakes and chocolate to the weekends only.
Dry January?
When I did it a couple of years ago, I didn't feel any better, I didn't lose any weight and, if saved some money, I didn't notice.
I've discovered a gauranteed way of losing 1kg per week.
Illness.
Not pleasant but it is effective.
This muscle and strength take a long time to recover.
When I did it a couple of years ago, I didn't feel any better, I didn't lose any weight and, if saved some money, I didn't notice.
That's interesting - whenever I stop drinking for a while, I lose weight right from the start. Probably depends on how much you drink, what you drink, and how it fits in to everything else you eat, drink and do.
I don't have the wherewithall to walk upstairs normally atm so the notion of riding 200km is a fantasy.
I've never been one for total abstinence but I found that cutting out casual drinking made a big difference - ie I still have the occasional pub outing but I've cut out things like routinely having a beer when I get home from work of an evening. I would find total abstinence far too difficult to adhere to.
d.
Oh well, at least my bosom is back :D.
Oh well, at least my bosom is back :D.
So's mine. :'(
I finished the year on 114.2, almost a stone lighter than I started.
I missed my declared target for the year by 24.2kg, by which measure the year must be regarded as a failure.
Next year's targets:
1. Week-on-week, to weigh less than I did in 2012.
2. To lose another stone.
3. To get down to 100kg.
...but I will have MrsC on board with this, so it shouldn't be too hard.eatdrink less and move more.
Spare a thought for the father of the 30 year old anorexic doctor, who weighed 23kg when she died earlier in the year.
I am nearly three times that weight, the weight I was when I was in my first year at junior school. (I weighed half a stone for every year between 5 and 14.)
Eating disorders can be terrible.
Thank you for the new thread, boabacca!
I've got to try everything in the hope something will work. Calories in calories out only works if you can stick to it, and clearly, I can't.
I wonder if there are any foods in your diet that contain msg, yeast extract or similar vile ingredients?I «heart» marmite. But I don't think my love of yeast extract and msg is anywhere near as detrimental as my love of bread, sugar and more sugar.
Thank you for the new thread, boabacca!
I like eating!
I like eating!
This, ultimately, is the root of my problem.
I recall, after one particularly good lunch at my parents', when my older brother was visiting, my mother had prepared a superb meal of something-or-other. After eating my fill I remarked how food the food was and added "There's very little I enjoy more than stuffing myself!"
My brother retorted "I prefer stuffing other people." His wife made no comment but his preference could explain why he's 11 stone or so and Im 6 stone heavier, despite him being a god inch taller than I am.
I like eating!
This, ultimately, is the root of my problem.
I recall, after one particularly good lunch at my parents', when my older brother was visiting, my mother had prepared a superb meal of something-or-other. After eating my fill I remarked how food the food was and added "There's very little I enjoy more than stuffing myself!"
My brother retorted "I prefer stuffing other people." His wife made no comment but his preference could explain why he's 11 stone or so and Im 6 stone heavier, despite him being a god inch taller than I am.
You must tell us which one that is.
I like eating!
This, ultimately, is the root of my problem.
I recall, after one particularly good lunch at my parents', when my older brother was visiting, my mother had prepared a superb meal of something-or-other. After eating my fill I remarked how food the food was and added "There's very little I enjoy more than stuffing myself!"
My brother retorted "I prefer stuffing other people." His wife made no comment but his preference could explain why he's 11 stone or so and Im 6 stone heavier, despite him being a god inch taller than I am.
You must tell us which one that is.
Well that should be some motivation I suppose - I apparently have the highest BMI of all the participants :-[
What software are you keeping that chart in rr? That's the sort of graph (with ties from the point to the trend) which I've been trying to persuade excel to do without success.
I was after a way of tieing all the points to the trendline as in rr's example (just wanting a pretty picture really).
What software are you keeping that chart in rr? That's the sort of graph (with ties from the point to the trend) which I've been trying to persuade excel to do without success.I use libra - an android app. The trend line is an exponentially weighted moving mean as described in the hacker's diet (Google it).
What software are you keeping that chart in rr? That's the sort of graph (with ties from the point to the trend) which I've been trying to persuade excel to do without success.I use libra - an android app. The trend line is an exponentially weighted moving mean as described in the hacker's diet (Google it).
There is a libre office addin that this calculation.
Our performance on the bike(s) has plummeted ...Blimey! These two have a sense of balance. It gives a completely different meaning to the expression "trackstand". :P
Can't somebody invent a pill that will just turn my appetite off please.
I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!
I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!
Go for it. It's a shame you don't live near here - I've never seen such a variety of body shapes as those displayed at Brixton leisure centre on Wednesday afternoons! I'm sure it was hard for some of them to get out there the first time, but nobody pays the slightest attention. Anyone who is bothered by the shape of other swimmers is really not worth worrying about. Just go! :)
I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!
I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!
Go for it. Completely agree with Butterfly. You have nothing to be ashamed of. IME, public swimming pools don't seem to attract the kind of body fascist idiots you get in gyms. And even if they did, fuck them.
Wowbagger, people will only get annoyed with you in public pools if you swim in the wrong lane (eg slow swimmer in fast lane) and thus get in their way. Follow the lane etiquette and no one will care what you look like.
d.
I might have to try swimming but when you have a body like mine, its hard to get it out in public!
Go for it. Completely agree with Butterfly. You have nothing to be ashamed of. IME, public swimming pools don't seem to attract the kind of body fascist idiots you get in gyms. And even if they did, fuck them.
Wowbagger, people will only get annoyed with you in public pools if you swim in the wrong lane (eg slow swimmer in fast lane) and thus get in their way. Follow the lane etiquette and no one will care what you look like.
d.
I was being literal. In my book if something is Great White Shark shaped it's probably a GWS (!) and i don't want to be sharing a pool with it.
Take it from me that I have no trouble whatever with body image
I've found it is a lot more comforting to record daily weights in a spreadsheet, and then use a 7 or 10 day rolling average weight to try and iron out the noise and show whether the weight is sensibly going up or down. (I had a range of about 2kg in my weighings last week)
rr's recommendation for Libra (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.cachapa.libra&hl=en) is worth trying. It reminds you to weigh before breakfast.I've found it is a lot more comforting to record daily weights in a spreadsheet, and then use a 7 or 10 day rolling average weight to try and iron out the noise and show whether the weight is sensibly going up or down. (I had a range of about 2kg in my weighings last week)
I think I'll start doing this, instead of a weekly panic/starve to make my target. It will give a more realistic trendline.
Last Wednesday, 73.1kg, Saturday 69.9kg, today 71.4kg. Change is the only constant.
Last Wednesday, 73.1kg, Saturday 69.9kg, today 71.4kg. Change is the only constant.
I think the only time I've ever seen my weight change that rapidly was a couple of weeks back when I had The Lurgy (I'm now trying hard not to reacquire the lost weight!).
A bit more variance would be encouraging...
I can recommend the norovirus diet, if you don't mind feeling like shit and evacuating projectile liquids from every orifice like something out of the exorcist :sick:
Last Wednesday, 73.1kg, Saturday 69.9kg, today 71.4kg. Change is the only constant.
I think the only time I've ever seen my weight change that rapidly was a couple of weeks back when I had The Lurgy (I'm now trying hard not to reacquire the lost weight!).
A bit more variance would be encouraging...
Mine did almost exactly what simonp's did in the week following a 300k I completed whilst I had a chest cold. CBA to look for my records but 69.9 ->74 ->71kg in around 8 days rings a bell.
Shrinking Thinking really is helping me reach for the chocolate as an automatic response.
...plus we had haggis neaps andtattoos* tatties on Saturday,
...
* Autocorrect.
I'm curious now... I always assumed it was "neeps".
Am I too late for this?
Well I hit my fist mini-target ...
Oh Myyyyyyyy!
Note to self: Candy Crush Saga is NOT a cardio workout.Is it a strength workout then?
(You were supposed to put the cheesecake in the freezer, not your gob :P )
From the weights reports thread:Am I too late for this?
Nope. The weights graphs are (usually) updated weekly, and the data scraping code doesn't care if you join in late. If you have weights recorded elsewhere from previous weeks then you can add them also, they will be picked up. You could even fill in data for 2012 in the 2012 thread - the graphs show the previous 6 months. It mainly fusses over you putting stuff in the expected place and format, so if it doesn't work for you then PM me and I can investigate.
Not being able to ride a bike doesn't help with weight loss. :'(I find riding a bike or not makes very little difference. Really.
Not being able to ride a bike doesn't help with weight loss. :'(I find riding a bike or not makes very little difference. Really.
It's much more effective to do other things, as riding a bike (particularly utility cycling) is not pushing my metabolism in any way whatsoever.
Perhaps I should have thrown a few more "for me" in there.Not being able to ride a bike doesn't help with weight loss. :'(I find riding a bike or not makes very little difference. Really.
Oh, it can, but most people vastly overestimate the energy consumption of cycling.QuoteIt's much more effective to do other things, as riding a bike (particularly utility cycling) is not pushing my metabolism in any way whatsoever.
Why does it have to push your metabolism? All it has to do is consume some calories. I'm hugely suspicious of any weight-loss regime which sells the idea that a particular variety of exercise helps you burn energy even when you're not being active - that's mostly myth. There's exercising for fitness (which has an indirect and mostly long-term effect on weight loss) and exercise for direct weight loss. If you're doing the latter, vigorous exercise can actually be counter-productive, as it tends to induce hunger pangs. Stealth exercise (a good walk, a bit of gentle but extended cycling) can be a very effective addition to your regular routine and help you maintain a regular, healthy calorie deficit without even noticing. I think this holds true both for somebody who is not that active and for those of us who regularly run, cycle and pursue other vigorous fitness activities (we arguably have less room for lowering energy input relative to activity).
True enough, boabacca. My problem is that I haven't got enough control over my eating to change gear abruptly when I'm not riding (which is just the time when I'm most stressed and heading for comfort eating, eating for the steroids, and eating from boredom). And, yes, while I'd like to be doing other stuff (walking, gardening etc), I just can't :(You need Shrinking Thinking! ;D
Still, I'm sure I can get back on track.
Thanks.
One day at a time hulver.
3kg is a lot.
True enough, boabacca. My problem is that I haven't got enough control over my eating to change gear abruptly when I'm not riding (which is just the time when I'm most stressed and heading for comfort eating, eating for the steroids, and eating from boredom). And, yes, while I'd like to be doing other stuff (walking, gardening etc), I just can't :(You need Shrinking Thinking! ;D
Still, I'm sure I can get back on track.
Thanks.
the principle being that muscle requires higher maintenance levels of energy than, ahem, non-muscle. Maybe invest in a set of dumbbells and get pumping iron?The difference between the metabolic requirements of muscle and what we're euphemistically calling non-muscle, is, like the different in density between muscle and non muscle, an irrelevance. It's tiny. We're talking a calorie per kilo. Even on a lard bucket like myself, I can ignore it.
boabacca, I'm with you on this. The idea that utility cycling can help with weight control is only really going to be useful to people who aren't already active in their daily life. If you regularly do 200km+ audaxes, it seems obvious that utility cycling isn't going to be as much use to you from an exercise point of view.
Almost certainly not the answer to all your prayers, though. In general, more intense forms of exercise are going to be the best bet - might be worth doing some kind of muscle-building work, the principle being that muscle requires higher maintenance levels of energy than, ahem, non-muscle. Maybe invest in a set of dumbbells and get pumping iron?
The difference between the metabolic requirements of muscle and what we're euphemistically calling non-muscle, is, like the different in density between muscle and non muscle, an irrelevance. It's tiny.
Well, I've not seen a "13" on the scales for some time :D
Shame it's not 'official' weigh-in day but that it is pancake day so I doubt I'll repeat the experience tomorrow morning.
Well, I've not seen a "13" on the scales for some time :D
Shame it's not 'official' weigh-in day but that it is pancake day so I doubt I'll repeat the experience tomorrow morning.
I've seen one every day this year. Sadly, it's prefixed with a 1.
Another 2 lb down from me in the last two week - nearly driven off all the christmas induced weight gain now - just 1 lb to the weight I was at on December 20th and then we're into record breaking territory (for me).
Starting to feel like I'm alone in succeeding here though - sorry.
Another 2 lb down from me in the last two week - nearly driven off all the christmas induced weight gain now - just 1 lb to the weight I was at on December 20th and then we're into record breaking territory (for me).
Starting to feel like I'm alone in succeeding here though - sorry.
blimey, my belt went up a hole this morning, and my suit jacket feels slightly looser. I still refuse to stand on the scales though.
Thanks itsBruce and Tim C :thumbsup:
I just felt a bit like the one jumping up on down on exam results day when everyone else has failed.
Those other measurements are at least as important/significant as what the scales show, aren't they?
Thanks itsBruce and Tim C :thumbsup:
I just felt a bit like the one jumping up on down on exam results day when everyone else has failed.
Er.....that might be taking it a bit far. Have those whose weight has not risen "failed"?
Those other measurements are at least as important/significant as what the scales show, aren't they?Well, yes and no.
Those other measurements are at least as important/significant as what the scales show, aren't they?Well, yes and no.
Power:weight is what I'm trying to improve, but I've never really had a problem with the power side. Yes more muscle is better, but there isn't that much of a shortage.
Really, as a tandem team, we need to shed kilos, extra power isn't really enough. I have to be lighter.
Power is something I never had. Lots of training made mine 'average' or just below, so long as I was well-carbed. Low-carbed, I was too weak to achieve anything. Power is not really an issue now; there is none. I'm working on weight.
David gained power when he overate a couple of years ago. He lost weight and strength last year. Seems to be getting stronger now.
Those other measurements are at least as important/significant as what the scales show, aren't they?Well, yes and no.
Power:weight is what I'm trying to improve, but I've never really had a problem with the power side. Yes more muscle is better, but there isn't that much of a shortage.
Really, as a tandem team, we need to shed kilos, extra power isn't really enough. I have to be lighter.
I'd like access to a PowerTap so I could quantify my own power over a given period and then create my own Watts/Kg value. That way I could see actual improvements. I'd like to be able to quantify what a Pro Cyclist is actually like as well. Watts/Kg gives you that.
I have to starve for months to lose a few grammes, but the moment I have a curry three kilos go back on.
Yesterday was an audax day. Didn't weigh myself on getting back, but did this morning, after a reasonable meal last night, rehydration, etc. 800g down on previous weight. I expect it'll creep back up today, but I've a fast day tomorrow so Wednesday may herald a new low weight...Wheras I have gained 300g by riding 215km.
It's mostly water, whichever way it goes.
It's mostly water, whichever way it goes.
Yep, pretty much what I thought too. We'll see how it goes the next few weeks. Another audax in early March, so I'll find out how compatible endurance rides are with intermittent fasting...
Glycogen reserves take 48 hours to replenish completely.
You might be able to ride long distances if your stores aren't full; some people can, some can't. It depends on your fitness, training, aerobic capacity and other factors.
If you pace yourself and don't try to ride hell for leather on any part of a ride, you might be OK but don't expect your afterburners to function!
Take it as easy as possible on the hills.
Millionnaire's shortbread is good for the afterburners...
The elusive initial '13' still eludes me >:(That's what elusive things do. :P
Seems to fit with my audax experience. I find Tuesdays are the real hunger days for me after audaxes. On those days it takes effort just to avoid clearing out the entire fridge.I don't get The Hunger anymore- not on the keto diet. It must be water/metabolic waste. I ate 1800kcal yesterday and 'used' 240 'running'.
I don't get 'the hunger' post Audax either.You're a special case though, surely, Lady C? The drugs must be stuffing you up something awful.
Fboab, I feel your pain. I am now at the point where I need to burn crazy amounts every day to even stay stable. Taking the 1 week in 3 where I'm currently throwing up and not eating or really doing any exercise out of the equation, I'm eating 1500 a day, and burning off 1500+ in exercise. The maths quite clearly doesn't add up. #bangsheadonwall
Reading your posts makes me really want to try that diet. I'm always permanently hungry.
At the moment, I'm not allowed to eat a high protein diet so it's not the right time for me to do it but the idea of sugar cravings being non existent is amazing.
Boab is struggling to get the kilos off, and rather unfairly, I'm not - despite the fact we're doing almost identical exercise (on the same bike when audaxing!) and eating an almost identical diet.
Boab is struggling to get the kilos off, and rather unfairly, I'm not - despite the fact we're doing almost identical exercise (on the same bike when audaxing!) and eating an almost identical diet.
She's not pedalling at the back!
*runs*
Edit: *or, rather, waddles*
Ok yes, fair point high fat not high protein, but you are in ketosis right? I think that's the main problem with it for me, I understand it's a total no-no for anyone with kidney issues which rules me out. I do like the sound of it though.
Why do you keep saying it's doomed to failure? Calorie control and exercise work for the vast majority of people, as has been shown in a large number of studies. In my case, despite some plateauing, I've gone from 116 to 89kg.
Up 1.4kg :o. I hope that clarion's baking is going on the baby not me ;D. I'm going to be the size of a house.
Good going, Psychler! :thumbsup:
My weight has gone a bit out of control this last week or three. I am 73kg today so I'm 5kg heavier than 6 months ago. My milage is way up but I think my calorie consumption is up too. I will have to start refusing seconds of rhubarb crumble. :(
You're a kilo heavier than me but 9cm taller. Doesn't sound very out of control.
It's still being elusive >:( >:(The elusive initial '13' still eludes me >:(That's what elusive things do. :P
I thought an audax would help but all it seems to make do is eat like a horse for a few days afterwards. ::-)
I went back up a pound this week - I thought an audax would help but all it seems to make do is eat like a horse for a few days afterwards. ::-)The overwhelming advantage of the low carb diet for me is this: there is no post-ride hunger.
I have stopped losing weight, mainly because I'm eating too much (doh!). But that's a function of being very busy at work, which involves a lot of sitting down for up to 12 hours in one place with little to do but eat, and hence less time to get on the bike, go to the gym, get out and walk etc. Explainable but bloody annoying. Must Eat Less!
Interesting that others have had my experience! Thanks for the advice, I will think on it, although I'm rather reluctant to reduce carbohydrate intake during/before an audax.Cutting down on carbs just for endurance exercise sounds like a recipe for disaster. You wont be as acclimatised for using fat for fuel and will almost definitely bonk, badly, unless you can sustainably ride at quite a low effort.
Was the advice meant as a general all the time thing then?
I have stopped losing weight, mainly because I'm eating too much (doh!). But that's a function of being very busy at work, which involves a lot of sitting down for up to 12 hours in one place with little to do but eat, and hence less time to get on the bike, go to the gym, get out and walk etc. Explainable but bloody annoying. Must Eat Less!
:o
If I had your job, I'd be too busy looking out of the window at the clouds/northern lights (delete as applicable).
:)
I have stopped losing weight, mainly because I'm eating too much (doh!). But that's a function of being very busy at work, which involves a lot of sitting down for up to 12 hours in one place with little to do but eat, and hence less time to get on the bike, go to the gym, get out and walk etc. Explainable but bloody annoying. Must Eat Less!
:o
If I had your job, I'd be too busy looking out of the window at the clouds/northern lights (delete as applicable).
:)
I do that, Chris - a lot, and I love it! But it does nothing for the waistline!
ThisHere's what one size activist has to say about that http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/healthcare-fault-and-fat-people/
'The AoMRC encourages NHS staff to pester patients about their weight in every encounter, but what fat person in their right mind would go to the doctor with a verruca, or a funny rash that might just reveal a life-threatening illness, if they know they'll get a right old finger-wagging?'
This I find quite offensive at the doctor's these days. If I go to the doctor because I want some eczema cream I have to spend 10 minutes getting my blood pressure measured, getting weighed and then getting lectured. >:(
Really they can just fark off.
I don't get 'the hunger' post Audax either.Is it possible you're not eating enough? http://fitisafeministissue.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/metaboolic-health-is-a-feminist-issue/
Fboab, I feel your pain. I am now at the point where I need to burn crazy amounts every day to even stay stable. Taking the 1 week in 3 where I'm currently throwing up and not eating or really doing any exercise out of the equation, I'm eating 1500 a day, and burning off 1500+ in exercise. The maths quite clearly doesn't add up. #bangsheadonwall
No longer elusive! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: 13-12 this morning. That's the lightest since I started my period of working away last spring.It's still being elusive >:( >:(The elusive initial '13' still eludes me >:(That's what elusive things do. :P
I suppose I could look it up, but chatting is more fund ;) - how does one work out ones body fat %ge?
I guess the fact that back in november(ish) I had to invest in an almost entirely new wardrobe of clothes (particularly trousers) as I'd lost 4 inches off the waist size is a good indicator :-)
I have sort of introduced a "no beer, cheese and cake when at home" rule for this month. I think the beer bit will be broken this evening when My Pal Jon comes round.
I guess the fact that back in november(ish) I had to invest in an almost entirely new wardrobe of clothes (particularly trousers) as I'd lost 4 inches off the waist size is a good indicator :-)
Are your shirts less tight round the collar too? That's another good indicator of fat loss.
d.
I guess the fact that back in november(ish) I had to invest in an almost entirely new wardrobe of clothes (particularly trousers) as I'd lost 4 inches off the waist size is a good indicator :-)
Are your shirts less tight round the collar too? That's another good indicator of fat loss.
d.
Bad News: Roughly the same weight I was at the end of January >:(
Better News: BF% down from 20-22% at the end of Jan to 16-18% today :thumbsup:
Weight is such a rubbish metric. Yesterday it was 80.0, today more than a kilo more. WTF?
Bad News: Roughly the same weight I was at the end of January >:(
Better News: BF% down from 20-22% at the end of Jan to 16-18% today :thumbsup:
Weight is such a rubbish metric. Yesterday it was 80.0, today more than a kilo more. WTF?
??? Your weight varies by a kilo or more every day, as you eat and excrete. That doesn't make it a poor measurement. Those other 80 kilos are quite meaningful.
As a company perk we get free gym membership, so I'm going to gym and have given myself the goal of getting to 20 consecutive chin ups (currently something pathetic like 7), so I'm now not fasting, eating "normally again", and will be back on the fasting when my strength is up at the levels I'd like to maintain. Gym is only 5 mins from the office and another one 10 mins from home, so can go daily. It will be interesting to see how this affects my weight.Why stop fasting? The whole point of fasting is to encourage your system to burn fat.
My lovely black moleskin trousers (which annoyingly don't have belt loops) are falling off me, all my knickers feel less tight and one of our homecare organisers commented yesterday that I was looking thinner. I am going to have to buy new trousers soon - I am having to hoik my jeans right up into ankleflappers and belt them really tightly to keep them up.Or not. I just spent 45 minutes raking through the wardrobe and found jeans and several pairs of trousers I've been unable to wear for a couple of years which now fit - in fact some are slightly loose. And I am embarrassed by the number of pairs of black trousers I own. *considers opening small shop selling nothing but black trousers* I do need to buy new tops though; several of my work tops are getting holey.
My weight has gone a bit out of control this last week or three. I am 73kg today so I'm 5kg heavier than 6 months ago. My milage is way up but I think my calorie consumption is up too. I will have to start refusing seconds of rhubarb crumble. :(
I have not been weighed.
I am still eating sensibly.
I have lost only 1.5kg since New Year but that is still on target for 6kg loss for the year.
I have lost 9kg since the start of 2012 and will keep going...
You've never had giardiasis. :-X
You've never had giardiasis. :-X
I didn't think that giardiasis caused water loss through the urine but I left medical school last millennium...
Welcome to the energy budget of a thin person.
<...>I don't want him less than 60kg. We'll get to where we want, eventually.
Does anyone log hours slept along with weight lost? I think I need to start doing it, as there seems to be a strong correlation for me. Or it could just be when I'm sleeping, I'm not eating.I was just reading about this today. There's a high correlation between obesity and less sleep but no evidence which way the causality goes.
<...>I don't want him less than 60kg. We'll get to where we want, eventually.
can he decide how much should he weigh? :D
David is now down to 61.5 kg (but still can't see his abs)
David is now down to 61.5 kg (but still can't see his abs)
I can't see my abs even when my body fat is (DEXA) 7%.
My BMI is 20.2 atm. It was 19.9 when my BF was 7%. I thought that was low, but the chap I rode with at the weekend who does ultras, ironman and the like keeps his at 6%.
Did 55km yesterday on some cheese, ham and an unbattered sausage from a chip shop. Considering the problems I've always had with fuelling myself on a ride, that was fantastic.
Chris & I are both down this week- mine is because I haven't eaten anything or drunk much since yesterday lunchtime as I have a crater in my mouth where a molar used to be; and so No1Daughter made soup for tea last night. It wasn't very nice, and so Chris didn't eat much either.
Does anyone log hours slept along with weight lost? I think I need to start doing it, as there seems to be a strong correlation for me. Or it could just be when I'm sleeping, I'm not eating.Well I pretty much always sleep well and am lardy so on that scientific sampling of 1 I would say not!
I'm about 400 miles behind where I should be at the moment.I'm about 10kg behind where I 'should' be. (9,000kcal/kg of lard = 90,000) So if (very much an if) I used 600kcal/hour cycling at 24kph that's 150 hours cycling= 3600km. I've ridden quite a lot so far, this year, 2300km. But I need to have done more than double that to achieve my weight loss goals? Yeah, as they say, right.
Maybe we should try an experiment where we just sit on the sofa, do nothing and just eat fish n chips?!I don't even like chips! Sob!
I suppose the difference is, ladies, that if I weighed 12 stone and stayed there it would be 10kg less than I am now. That would be great. I'm not just 'a bit overweight' or 'carrying a few extra pounds', I'm obese. I eat healthily (no cake, no sugar, lots of vegetables, less than 2,000 calories a day) and I'm very active, and it's not shifting, despite a calorie controlled diet, despite a low carb diet.
Lady Cav is wibbling about the last few lbs. I imagine that's annoying. I need to lose 23kg (that's 3 and a half stone) to have a reasonable BMI and it just isn't happening.Maybe we should try an experiment where we just sit on the sofa, do nothing and just eat fish n chips?!I don't even like chips! Sob!
If it helps you feel any better I need to lose 39kg, and recently seem to have plateaued*. You're definitely not alone.
*I've been moving house and cycling less than normal which hasn't helped.
Well, mcshroom, that's you told, eh? ;DIf it helps you feel any better I need to lose 39kg, and recently seem to have plateaued*. You're definitely not alone.
*I've been moving house and cycling less than normal which hasn't helped.
No offense 'shroom, but I ride further (if your MCL line is anything to go by) and faster (if your claimed audax finish times are anything to go by).... and I haven't seen you posting about your other exercise exploits (though I'm guessing and could easily be wrong there, and have no idea how much/what you eat which the other half of the equation).
Crucially- you know why yours isn't working. You're not riding as much and you're not being as careful with what you eat. When you do the 'right' things, you lose weight.
That's the reason I come here - the mutual support ;DWell, mcshroom, that's you told, eh? ;DIf it helps you feel any better I need to lose 39kg, and recently seem to have plateaued*. You're definitely not alone.
*I've been moving house and cycling less than normal which hasn't helped.
No offense 'shroom, but I ride further (if your MCL line is anything to go by) and faster (if your claimed audax finish times are anything to go by).... and I haven't seen you posting about your other exercise exploits (though I'm guessing and could easily be wrong there, and have no idea how much/what you eat which the other half of the equation).
Crucially- you know why yours isn't working. You're not riding as much and you're not being as careful with what you eat. When you do the 'right' things, you lose weight.
That's the reason I come here - the mutual support ;DWell, mcshroom, that's you told, eh? ;DIf it helps you feel any better I need to lose 39kg, and recently seem to have plateaued*. You're definitely not alone.
*I've been moving house and cycling less than normal which hasn't helped.
No offense 'shroom, but I ride further (if your MCL line is anything to go by) and faster (if your claimed audax finish times are anything to go by).... and I haven't seen you posting about your other exercise exploits (though I'm guessing and could easily be wrong there, and have no idea how much/what you eat which the other half of the equation).
Crucially- you know why yours isn't working. You're not riding as much and you're not being as careful with what you eat. When you do the 'right' things, you lose weight.
I'm back on MFP as ad libitum feeding is causing slow weight gain. Need to eat more, it says. ;D
You know that thing where you weigh yourself, and it makes you so miserable that you just eat cake and other crap? Even though you know, because you aren't stupid, that, obviously, that is stupid. But you're too miserable about it to care, and anyway too knackered to contemplate Actual Cooking. And you can't bear to ride your bike because it is physically so completely fucking unpleasant because after 5 miles everything hurts like fuckity when you would need to lose damn near 40kg just in order to not be obese (having never ever been "normal" I don't even aspire to that, just overweight would do) and you discover that, once again, you can't actually go for a walk because you can't walk up the fecking hill any more?
Yeah.
That.
Nobody wins in that game of Top Trumps.
I'm back on MFP as ad libitum feeding is causing slow weight gain. Need to eat more, it says. ;D
I note that Strava appears to give more realistic calorie estimates than MFP.
I know when I was using MFP religiously, I had to cut ~40% from my calorie allowance to make the numbers fit my historic weightloss.
Weight is coming off slowly here. ICBA to go back on MFP. Instead, I've taken to mediating on how skinny my carbon fibre seatpost is, and how much pain I'll be in if I chub up and am impaled upon it. That, and having entered the Pendle 600 (10AA) are helping me make better food choices.
I think what I need (just me, I can't speak for anyone else) is someone else to crack the whip for me. There's nobody to give me shit for eating the whole tub of Ben'n'Jerrys (oops) or to prod me until I ride the bike.
I'm back on MFP as ad libitum feeding is causing slow weight gain. Need to eat more, it says. ;D
I note that Strava appears to give more realistic calorie estimates than MFP.
I know when I was using MFP religiously, I had to cut ~40% from my calorie allowance to make the numbers fit my historic weightloss.
Weight is coming off slowly here. ICBA to go back on MFP. Instead, I've taken to mediating on how skinny my carbon fibre seatpost is, and how much pain I'll be in if I chub up and am impaled upon it. That, and having entered the Pendle 600 (10AA) are helping me make better food choices.
Strava's estimates seem on the low side to me. I haven't entered any exercise into MFP for today, it says I should eat more because I've not eaten very much. ;D
You know that thing where you weigh yourself, and it makes you so miserable that you just eat cake and other crap? Even though you know, because you aren't stupid, that, obviously, that is stupid. But you're too miserable about it to care, and anyway too knackered to contemplate Actual Cooking. And you can't bear to ride your bike because it is physically so completely fucking unpleasant because after 5 miles everything hurts like fuckity when you would need to lose damn near 40kg just in order to not be obese (having never ever been "normal" I don't even aspire to that, just overweight would do) and you discover that, once again, you can't actually go for a walk because you can't walk up the fecking hill any more?If it's any consolation there's a lot of it about.
Yeah.
That.
Nobody wins in that game of Top Trumps.
I'm back on MFP as ad libitum feeding is causing slow weight gain. Need to eat more, it says. ;D
I note that Strava appears to give more realistic calorie estimates than MFP.
I know when I was using MFP religiously, I had to cut ~40% from my calorie allowance to make the numbers fit my historic weightloss.
Weight is coming off slowly here. ICBA to go back on MFP. Instead, I've taken to mediating on how skinny my carbon fibre seatpost is, and how much pain I'll be in if I chub up and am impaled upon it. That, and having entered the Pendle 600 (10AA) are helping me make better food choices.
Strava's estimates seem on the low side to me. I haven't entered any exercise into MFP for today, it says I should eat more because I've not eaten very much. ;D
(Goes to check)
:o
Well - you haven't eaten very much! As of now (mid-afternoon), I've had almost three times the calories as you! And no commute.
Well, I hadn't got round to adding the 3rd coffee of the day, or the tin of soup. Both added since I posted that I needed to eat more. But that still leaves me on only 622 calories consumed so far, and hungry. I drove in today, so no exercise to speak of, but that still leaves me with 1250 calories left. I'm hungry, but that shouldn't be surprising given how little I've eaten so far.
Well, I hadn't got round to adding the 3rd coffee of the day, or the tin of soup. Both added since I posted that I needed to eat more. But that still leaves me on only 622 calories consumed so far, and hungry. I drove in today, so no exercise to speak of, but that still leaves me with 1250 calories left. I'm hungry, but that shouldn't be surprising given how little I've eaten so far.
For me (and Boab, I think) this has been one of the most striking aspects of low-carbing. Hunger is a completely different sensation. Not only that, hunger seems completely detached from energy level - so I can be hungry in so far as my guts are grumbling, but it doesn't slow the energy flow at all, and there is no mental imperative to eat.
Normal diet hunger: EAT NOW YOU BASTARD!!! OI LISTEN TO ME! FEEEEED MEEEE >:(.
Low carb hunger: Erm. When you've next got a moment... y'know, I know you're busy and everything... but it's empty down here, so when you get a chance...
I think I've lost weight this week.Or not.
I've done a few spinning classes. I find it incredibly hard work. Probably over-doing it, hitting my max HR etc.
I've done a few spinning classes. I find it incredibly hard work. Probably over-doing it, hitting my max HR etc.
On another thread ... Sufferfest vids if you think you are not YET overdoing it. (tbh I can't hack the suggested cadence for much more than the warm up, but the idea is that you put in a % of your own ability)
Another handy indicator is to just look in the mirror. The slight chubbiness is gone from my cheeks, the double chin is receding, my abdomen, seen in profile looks substantially slimmer than it did two months ago. The love handles, moobs and spare tyre are slowly shrinking. This, to my mind, is the best possible motivation to keep going. That, and power to weight ratio on a bike: just seems less effort to get up hills these days...I have set up a couple of mirrors in the bedroom.One is set at the side of the bed so I see myself every time I get out of bed ,not a pretty sight.I look terrible sat on the bed.The other mirror is set up on the wall and that doesn't look as bad if I breathe in.A good motivator,if a tad depressing.
Another handy indicator is to just look in the mirror. The slight chubbiness is gone from my cheeks, the double chin is receding, my abdomen, seen in profile looks substantially slimmer than it did two months ago. The love handles, moobs and spare tyre are slowly shrinking. This, to my mind, is the best possible motivation to keep going. That, and power to weight ratio on a bike: just seems less effort to get up hills these days...I have set up a couple of mirrors in the bedroom.One is set at the side of the bed so I see myself every time I get out of bed ,not a pretty sight.I look terrible sat on the bed.The other mirror is set up on the wall and that doesn't look as bad if I breathe in.A good motivator,if a tad depressing.
Trouble is I seem to have reached a plateau. I am not doing any special diet,but preparing my own food and avoiding takeaways and processed foods.On the plus side I have lost quite a lot this year,look thiner in the face and my jeans have become looser.
Suspicious of self-disgust as a motivating tool. Tends to depress people. Which can lead on to self-defeating comfort eating (and worse).
I've done a few spinning classes. I find it incredibly hard work. Probably over-doing it, hitting my max HR etc.
On another thread ... Sufferfest vids if you think you are not YET overdoing it. (tbh I can't hack the suggested cadence for much more than the warm up, but the idea is that you put in a % of your own ability)
Did my first Sufferfest last week.
Oh my.
Wow. Looks like I should ride freezing cold 300s more often :).Is this a weather forecast for next weekend? :facepalm:
Wow. Looks like I should ride freezing cold 300s more often :).Is this a weather forecast for next weekend? :facepalm:
I hope the Elynydd isn't a snowy one, mountain roads and snow won't be a good combination.
I stepped on the scales yesterday for the first time since early January.I did this 'cause I had a suspicion that I'd lost some weight 'cause my trousers have recently needed the help of a belt or braces to avoid buliders bum.
I've lost 2.5kg....without trying.Not too shabby.
I have a small request for simonp- could we have consistent markers between the graphs? I'd just like to be able to spot myself more easily by having the same shape & colour.
(This is even more relevant when there're more graphs. Is there a reason the % change ones were done away with?)
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything.
I managed to reverse the trend this week, despite eating a lot of bhaji yesterday
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource.
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource. Here's the American Psychologists Associations take:
http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=4
Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.
DrMekon is the expert but the the theories are here:
http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=6
(Theories are so easy!)
This audaxing seems to have given me the false impression I can eat what I want when I'm cycling 600 miles a month. Not so. :facepalm:
This audaxing seems to have given me the false impression I can eat what I want when I'm cycling 600 miles a month. Not so. :facepalm:
Yeeeesss..., quite a few of us have found that. Cycling is a very low-demand form of exercise, unless you hammer it.
I need to start weighing myself more regularly again. Someone commented above that some of us weigh ourselves too much.Long term trends are great, if you're actually losing weight. Infrequent weighings can lead you not knowing if you're doing it right or not.
Well I suspect it's not coincidence that since I stopped weighing myself every day a lot of my daily incentive has gone and I've put nearly a stone back on.
Not really a coincidence that I've been pigging out far too much either mind ;) This audaxing seems to have given me the false impression I can eat what I want when I'm cycling 600 miles a month. Not so. :facepalm:
Surely, we should be at a balance of eating and activity that keeps us at a healthy weight, where we eat when we're hungry, and exercise because we want to/need to- incorporating it into our daily lives without excessive thought.
Ah I'm a bit of a geeky sciency type though - I used to quite enjoy the patterns I could see. Gaining weight over the weekend when (aside from cycling) I'd spend time in the pub with the missus and cook nice food with lashings on nice wine, whilst seeing it disappear by Wedndesday as I eat better and drank less during the week.
We're all different with our motivations and what makes it work as you've said yourself.
My main false impression from eating BTW will have come from the six months before I joined this site last year when I dropped four stone in six months without changing a thing in my diet - merely took up gratuitous long distance cycling as a hobby. I should put up my weight losses from 2012 up - it's a much better picture. Since I've joined this thread I think I've gained wieght! :facepalm:
You think I'm not going faster, longer and more climby than I was a year ago? ;)
Yes I do know that, I'm 42, this is not the first weight loss regime I've done in my life - it's by far the most fun though. Previous ones either involved sweating it at the gym on boring cross trainers, bikes and steppers or lane swimming, which was nice except for the having-to-share-the-lane with other swimmers thing.
Anyone who's done lane swimming for exercise will know that driving/cycling through busy rush-hour traffic is a pain free, relaxing experience compared to dealing with the other tossers in the lane during swimming sessions. >:( >:( >:(
(blimey, I didn't know I still had such anger about it :o).
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource.
Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource.
Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.
Not sure what you mean by this, as I'd creating good habits is, in large part, a matter of willpower. It takes time for actions to become habits; until then, it's hard.
If you mean that it's not enough to think "I wish I could eat less of this crap", then yes.
I think the point is that you can't form good habits using willpower alone. Other factors, eg money and time constraints, come into play - often outside your control - that can make it harder. Or maybe easier, if you're very lucky.
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?I think the point is that you can't form good habits using willpower alone. Other factors, eg money and time constraints, come into play - often outside your control - that can make it harder. Or maybe easier, if you're very lucky.
Some good habits are just matters of willpower; rejecting biscuits, spooning less mayonnaise, using less butter etc.
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?I think the point is that you can't form good habits using willpower alone. Other factors, eg money and time constraints, come into play - often outside your control - that can make it harder. Or maybe easier, if you're very lucky.
Some good habits are just matters of willpower; rejecting biscuits, spooning less mayonnaise, using less butter etc.
Carrot is sweet and provides chewing satisfaction
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?I think the point is that you can't form good habits using willpower alone. Other factors, eg money and time constraints, come into play - often outside your control - that can make it harder. Or maybe easier, if you're very lucky.
Some good habits are just matters of willpower; rejecting biscuits, spooning less mayonnaise, using less butter etc.
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?
Eat a 'low risk' snack, like a carrot or dry cream cracker.
Carrot is sweet and provides chewing satisfaction, cream crackers provide starch but are too boring to eat in huge quantities.
Avoid stress and get enough sleep
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?
Eat a 'low risk' snack, like a carrot or dry cream cracker.
Carrot is sweet and provides chewing satisfaction, cream crackers provide starch but are too boring to eat in huge quantities.
carrots and other healthy snacks are good, but they don't give the "high" that a, say, shamestick* does
*stick of butter dipped in sugar+cocoa/cinnamon
But that's just it, your willpower may run out, as it's a finite resource, and what will you do then?
Brains. Brains and poo.Hence my raised eyebrow. I'm full of shit, everyone knows that. Surely it'd be more? Or is this 'lean muscle mass' what you'd be without the fat?
Saturated fat is fine. Learn to love the lard.
Today I had a review at the gym.
a) Their scales say my weight is lower than my scales at home do. By 2+kg.
b) Apparently I am 'only' 29.6% lard. This was a surprise as I thought I was more than that, given that at 90kg I was 45% lard
c) Apparently I have 52kg of lean muscle mass.
d) 52kg of muscle + 29.6% lard leaves 4.7kg of bones and other stuff. Really?
Hmmm.
Hmm. I'm pretty much static for the past three weeks, having enjoyed near constant weight loss for the past few months.
Could be because:
1. I skip fasting days 48 hours either side of an audax (did a 200 last week).
2. I'm starting to overcompensate for fasting days on the non-fasting days.
3. I've resumed having late night snacks again (see 2. above), eg. peanuts, toast.
I'm going to try upping the fibre content of my diet so I feel fuller, and concentrate on protein rich foods otherwise. Have ordered psyllium husk capsules to take during fast days to help avoid having the odd 20/30 calorie snack to stave off hunger pangs...
If this all seems extreme, I definitely need to lose more: still have a spare tyre and (slightly smaller) moobs. Lost most of the flab from my arms and back though. Will be starting some gentle weight training this week too to work on the upper body and arms...
Lighter people need fewer Calories.
Weight loss won't be helped by late night snacking but overall intake may need to drop if this weight loss plateau persists...
Doesn't seem extreme to me. Have you taken psyllium husks on days when you cycle? What's the thirst like? Do you have to carry extra bottles?
The things which cause me to miss the 600 cal target are olive oil, bananas, bacon, milky coffee and houmous.
The things which cause me to miss the 600 cal target are olive oil, bananas, bacon, milky coffee and houmous.
Peanut butter is the one that really does the damage for me. I could happily eat peanut butter out of the jar with a spoon all day. I worked out the other day that a regular jar of Whole Earth original crunchy peanut butter (my preferred brand) contains about 3,500 calories. I dread to think how many calories are in the brands with added sugar.
Sugar is 'just' 4 Calories per gram
I think I have been 'saving' quite a few calories lately by frying meat without any oil. Maybe 'searing' would be more accurate than frying, but the results are fine. Especially with a splash of hot sauce. Not that I've checked the calories of the sauce yet....it's so yummy I'm in denial about it.
Also I stopped putting my home made dressing on salads - I just sprinkle lemon juice on them.
I think I have been 'saving' quite a few calories lately by frying meat without any oil. Maybe 'searing' would be more accurate than frying, but the results are fine. Especially with a splash of hot sauce. Not that I've checked the calories of the sauce yet....it's so yummy I'm in denial about it.
Also I stopped putting my home made dressing on salads - I just sprinkle lemon juice on them.
I then have the tricky later evening to deal with. Yes okay going to bed early is an option, but not always feasible. So this is where celery sticks, the odd handful of nuts, etc. starts coming in. That's the danger zone for me…
Another half kg loss over 6 days takes my weight down to below 90kg since...I can't remember when.Well done Jogler 90kg is about what I weigh.It feels a lot better than 95kg doesn't it?
January__ | February__ | March_____ | April_____ | May_______ | June_______ | |
3rd: 89.6 | 7th: 89.0 | 7th: 87.4 | 4th: 86.0 | 2nd: away | 6th: 83.6 | |
10th: 90.0 | 14th: 88.6 | 14th: 86.4 | 11th: 85.2 | 9th: 84.9 | 13th: 83.0 | |
17th: 90.0 | 21st: 88.6 | 21st: 85.6 | 18th: 84.5 | 16th: 83.2 | 20th: 83.5 | |
24th: 89.6 | 28th: 87.9 | 28th: 85.6 | 25th: away | 23rd: 82.8 | 29th: 82.6 | |
31st: 89.3 | 30th: away | |||||
July_____ | August____ | September__ | October__ | November__ | December__ | |
4th: 80.8 | 1st: 80.1 | 5th: 79.0 | 3rd: 76.8 | 7th: 77.0 | 5th: 78.3 | |
11th: 80.7 | 8th: 79.1 | 12th: 78.8 | 10th: 77.0 | 14th: 77.0 | 12th: 78.3 | |
18th: 80.5 | 15th: 80.0 | 19th: 77.9 | 17th: 76.7 | 21st: 78.0 | 19th: 78.3 | |
25th: 79.8 | 22nd: 78.5 | 26th: 77.3 | 24th: 77.0 | 28th: 77.3 | 26th: 79.0 | |
29th: 78.6 | 31st: 77.0 |
What seems to have made the difference is ridind a fully-laden tandem for 170 miles over the same period.I do that most weeks. Not the fully laden bit, but you'll forgive my vanity if I claim perhaps a little faster.
Our scale readings remain very inconsistent. I can weigh myself twice in 10 seconds and get readings as much as 2kg apart. I am keeping a monthly average which assumes that the glitches will cancel themselves out.
Found this (from my archive of ACF posts) that should help me get motivated again (I'm back up to 91.7kg).
Thanks.
The lard-war will continue & it will be interesting to see if the weight stays off when my current temporary work ends.It is without doubt the work which is generating the lard loss.
I seem to be back down to 65kg. Don't know if this represents progress or stalemate.
Time and tape measure will tell.
Eventually.
I seem to be back down to 65kg. Don't know if this represents progress or stalemate.
Time and tape measure will tell.
Eventually.
Come on Helly - you know that if you think it's stalemate, then it will be, whereas if you don't, then it won't !!
:) :) :)
An unprecedented eventuality this morning.
Our scales are pretty inaccurate in that you can weigh yourself twice in quick succession and they give weights that might vary by as much as two kg. My modus operandi is to weigh myself 10 times and take the lowest reading (sad, but true). If I record 113.2, you can normally be pretty sure that I have also weighed 115.5 in the same minute.
This morning, however, all 10 weighings were the same, at 114.4kg. I think the scales must be broken...
Well, yes. It is a sobering thought that if I weigh myself 8 times the poor scales have had to put up with a ton of me standing on them.An unprecedented eventuality this morning.
Our scales are pretty inaccurate in that you can weigh yourself twice in quick succession and they give weights that might vary by as much as two kg. My modus operandi is to weigh myself 10 times and take the lowest reading (sad, but true). If I record 113.2, you can normally be pretty sure that I have also weighed 115.5 in the same minute.
This morning, however, all 10 weighings were the same, at 114.4kg. I think the scales must be broken...
Probably RSI ?? :)
Horrible week. Fell off the keto wagon a bit. Not good, got lazy with the diet after our honeymoon. I've got some big rides coming up, so I need to other advantages.I had nothing on Saturday's 300k, power wise, so dove into carbs in the hope I'd get a boost. I did not, despite a whole bag of jelly babies and 3 slices of fruit cake. I was still 'empty'. I didn't even enjoy the jelly babies.
Time to be a bit stricter again for a while.
I'm finding it a bit of a struggle, really, in that I'm a bit bored with it. Doubtless this is my lack of imagination, as it's not very restrictive as a diet. Or possibly I'm bored generally, and not all that hungry, so haven't the same enthusiasm for food. Which should be a good thing, but isn't.
Hmm.Weightloss sites/resources always say things like "it took you years to put on the weight, it'll take you years to lose it". Which might be partly true, but I see you, like me, put on a kilo a week without trying. Losing a kilo a week takes a feck of a lot more than skipping the afternoon doughnut.
Starts again here.
Combinations of physical illness, stress, depression, lost mojo, baby issues and steroid have sent things a long way in the wrong direction.
*sigh*
Injured muscles swell and gain water.Thankyou.
Don't weigh yourself (or at least beat yourself up about your weight) for a fortnight.
This is a temporary blip!
Injured muscles swell and gain water.
Don't weigh yourself (or at least beat yourself up about your weight) for a fortnight.
This is a temporary blip!
Injured muscles swell and gain water.
Don't weigh yourself (or at least beat yourself up about your weight) for a fortnight.
This is a temporary blip!
A fortnight? Lordy! We're doing at least 300km every weekend at the moment!! ;D
I seem to have lost almost 3kg this month. I wish I could do that every month until the end of the year.I've lost 7kg this month! 8) ;)
Cycling seems to directly correlate with weight gain.
The good news is that I'm the joint-lightest I've been this year. The bad news is I've shrunk.
I don't mean my waistline, I mean my height.
I had to take my measurements this morning, see, and it turns out I've been deluding myself that I'm "a shade under" 5ft 10. In fact, I'm several shades under. More like 5ft 8 (172cm) if my measurement this morning was accurate. :(
You're a bit young for this to start (which side of 40 are you?) but it's worth checking.
Definitely.You're a bit young for this to start (which side of 40 are you?) but it's worth checking.
I think it probably is just wishful thinking - gradually rounding it up over the years - but it is slightly alarming, so I will think about getting it checked out. I slipped over to the wrong side of 40 six months ago, so it's probably downhill all the way from now on.
For me, it started with eye tests. I didn't know anyone who had better eyesight than I did up to about the age of 42.
You're a bit young for this to start (which side of 40 are you?) but it's worth checking.
I think it probably is just wishful thinking - gradually rounding it up over the years - but it is slightly alarming, so I will think about getting it checked out. I slipped over to the wrong side of 40 six months ago, so it's probably downhill all the way from now on.
Chris, me and the NHS are obviously best buddies right now, and as I'm having loads of blood tests constantly, I asked them to check it at the same time whilst they were checking everything else under the sun!
It's been very hard as I get sick of so many people saying 'are you eating again, ooooo are you eating again, ooo that's a lot of porridge' and it REALLY pisses me off.
Funny how no-one questions your eating habits when you are actually overweight isn't it?
Funny how no-one questions your eating habits when you are actually overweight isn't it?
Erm... in my experience, they do. Quite a lot.
But I suspect the nosey-parker-moralising is just as irritating in either situation.
I've gained half a kg in the last 7 daysLast 7 days: cycled 500+km with 5000+m climbing, gained more than 2kg.
I've gained half a kg in the last 7 daysLast 7 days: cycled 500+km with 5000+m climbing, gained more than 2kg.
Me too. We know why it is. Cast your mind back to the drive home and what we ate :facepalm:.Well maybe. But compare that to what I ate on the ride itself: hardly anything. You kept telling me to eat more!
I know. We were tired and hungry.
One day of monster carbs (and I didn't eat anything once I was home) should not equate to a 2kg weight gain.
Eating left-overs from the National 400 this week.
Me too. We know why it is. Cast your mind back to the drive home and what we ate :facepalm:.Well maybe. But compare that to what I ate on the ride itself: hardly anything. You kept telling me to eat more!
I know. We were tired and hungry.
One day of monster carbs (and I didn't eat anything once I was home) should not equate to a 2kg weight gain.
it's only the longer-term trends that give you meaningful data.
I've gained half a kg in the last 7 days
My weight is 74kg this evening. It'll take a few days for the Pendle 600 to wear off and a return to normal.
My weight is 74kg this evening. It'll take a few days for the Pendle 600 to wear off and a return to normal.
Mine was 70.4kg yesterday, putting me back to BMI 19.7. Looking on target to being back below 70kg for LEL.
BMI 19.7
BMI 19.7
Blimey. I can't imagine myself being 61kg.
BMI 19.7
Blimey. I can't imagine myself being 61kg.
Well. I'm much much lighter today, than I was at weigh-O'Clock yesterday. :(
My son has just lost 4 stones by strictly controlling calorie intake. God its so simpleFor him.
I've done it! I've got down to my target of 85kg.It's took me 6 months to get down from 98kg and I am one happy bunny :)Still got some visible fat IE a spare tyre,but I think I will try to maintain this weight until the Winter and build up some strength.That's a big drop. Grats.
Agreed, bmi (or really weight, as I'm not changing height) isn't everything, but it's measurable. I was 7.3% bf by dexa at 71.5kg. No idea what my % will be at 68kg, but I do know that climbing feels easier.
At bmi <19.5, I don't have a spare tyre. I have ripples. At Bmi 18.5, laying in the bath isn't comfy. Somewhere between the two is my target for lel. I'm definitely a "hard gainer", so what's a reasonable target for me wouldn't be for others. I've got muffin tops at bmi 21, whereas others wouldn't.
I've gained half a kg in the last 7 days
since then I've shed a kilogram
I appear to have lost 7 kilos in the last 7 weeks, largely on a diet of bread, cheese, salami, pastries, pizza, cake and ice cream.
I appear to have lost 7 kilos in the last 7 weeks, largely on a diet of bread, cheese, salami, pastries, pizza, cake and ice cream.
Sounds like you had fun! How far did you cycle?
I put on a LOT of weightin the first year ofbreast-feeding.
I put on a LOT of weightin the first year ofbreast-feeding.
Aye. Four children and beforeyouI know it,you'reI'm wearing size 26.
I put on a LOT of weightin the first year ofbreast-feeding.
Aye. Four children and beforeyouI know it,you'reI'm wearing size 26.
:'( Oh drat,I was hoping it would get better when he's eating more.
Graphs updated.
And, in response to fboab’s request a couple of months ago, which I’ve finally gotten around to implementing, everyone now has their own line colour and point style used consistently across all graphs. I can’t guarantee that the same style will be used week to week though generally it won’t change arbitrarily unless a user removes themselves from the weight reports thread.
Graphs updated.
And, in response to fboab’s request a couple of months ago, which I’ve finally gotten around to implementing, everyone now has their own line colour and point style used consistently across all graphs. I can’t guarantee that the same style will be used week to week though generally it won’t change arbitrarily unless a user removes themselves from the weight reports thread.
Cheers, it all looks good.
Need to get back 'on the wagon' (ie. fasting) this week. Been a bit lax lately, skipped fasting days and scoffing sweeties. Over 73kg last week, only just under this week. Let the intermittent starvation commence!
My summer holiday was LEL. I lost a whole fecking kilogram.
I did follow your 'limited alcohol, proper sleeping' regimen though, citoyen.
My holidays were a relative success. I put on just under 5kg in 10 days. Then took off 5 kg in the following week. I think it was waste and water retention.
My summer holiday was LEL. I lost a whole fecking kilogram.
I've gained 3kg since the weekend. Since Monday 6am in fact.
Go me!
[Shuffles to feet, stares at the floor, clears throat ...]
"Hello, my name's Oscar's dad. For the first time in my life I have decided to go on a diet and lose some weight. So I thought I'd join this thread for some help and encouragement. Thanks for listening."
Its good to know I can loose weight without massively changing my lifestyle which bodes well for keeping this up in the long term and not putting the pounds back on again once I hit my target weight.
Its good to know I can loose weight without massively changing my lifestyle which bodes well for keeping this up in the long term and not putting the pounds back on again once I hit my target weight.
I hesitate to 'do as I say, not as I do' but you are kidding yourself here.
You know what your current lifestyle leads to: your current weight. The one you don't like and are trying to reduce.
You have to change your lifestyle to get results. The trick is to make lifestyle changes that are sustainable.
I'd also add that any regular cyclist who attempts to use cycling as weight management is on a hiding to nothing. You need to change your diet and exercise patterns and diet, unless you are currently completely sedentary, is the one to change.
This year, it was the month of April that had the most sustained weightloss for me. I rode 1400km (as opposed to >2000 in June & July) and I don't think it's any coincidence that April is the month I was most consistent in both eating low carb and lifting weights 3 x a week.
Weight loss, though it would be wonderful, has played second fiddle to riding audax this year, and as soon as I hit the big rides(400k+) in May, I've been too tired through the week to be very consistent in my gym visits, and eating from forecourts too long to be righteously low carb. I fully expect that when I get back to it in October we will once again see results.
I'm coming back into this regime as of now. The other medical problems have been used as an excuse for me to let the weight get out of control but I have, at last, been given some definite boundaries in the "This is as good as it will get so tailor your lifestyle to suit" and other problems are finally getting some official attention so I am back in focus.
I was always a bit overweight but down to 11st 7lb after the accident and now at 19st 13lbs so it's about time I worked a bit.
Wish me luck etc.... :-)
Personally, I'm not keen on pastry. Savoury pastry is a HUGE calorie load and as it gives me no pleasure, I'm quite happy to leave it on the plate.
YMMV.
Personally, I'm not keen on pastry. Savoury pastry is a HUGE calorie load and as it gives me no pleasure, I'm quite happy to leave it on the plate.
YMMV.
Oh boy, I wish that were true for me. I love pastry. And it doesn't help that my wife both enjoys making pastry and is very good at it... she makes a fantastic cheese and onion pie, one portion (quarter) of which weighs in at about 600 calories. I could easily eat a whole one in a single sitting, given the opportunity.
Personally, I'm not keen on pastry. Savoury pastry is a HUGE calorie load and as it gives me no pleasure, I'm quite happy to leave it on the plate.
YMMV.
Oh boy, I wish that were true for me. I love pastry. And it doesn't help that my wife both enjoys making pastry and is very good at it... she makes a fantastic cheese and onion pie, one portion (quarter) of which weighs in at about 600 calories. I could easily eat a whole one in a single sitting, given the opportunity.
Yes, when we had a gym/pool that I could afford nearby and I had sufficient time to go lots I lost a shedload of weight - a generous 3 stone - without paying any attention at all to diet, and still eating rather a lot of cake and chips. But I did swim many miles and go to at least half a dozen aqua classes and spend between 5 and 10 hours in the gym every week... and I was extremely cheerful, what with the loving my job at the time and the masses of exercise-induced happy hormones swilling about, so didn't do negative eating.
Well, I think I must get one chest infection a year. This looks to be my big one for the year. And as usual, my body eats itself.
Another kilo off in the last 3 days. That's 2.5kg in a week. Dunno if the steroids are doing it, but HR feels way up. Not sleeping; doing that horrible greasy sweating thing, and smell really ill. Wife has it too, but she is sleeping - was out for the count by 8pm. It's ripped through the school our kids are at, where it's being called "the KS1 flu".
New bike has been here for a week now, and rubber still hasn't touched tarmac. :'(
OD - look up "Banting's Letter on Corpulence", dated 1864.
"I consulted an eminent surgeon, now long deceased —a kind personal friend,—who recommended increased bodily exertion before my ordinary daily labours began, and who thought rowing an excellent plan. I had the command of a good, heavy, safe boat, lived near the river, and adopted it for a couple of hours in the early morning. It is true I gained muscular vigour, but with it a prodigious appetite, which I was compelled to indulge, and consequently increased in weight, until my kind old friend advised me to forsake the exercise."
Exercise is great for all manner of reasons - but weight loss isn't one of them. Exercise makes you hungry, and there's a bunch of science about how and why, and the human mind is sneaky in the extreme about how it gets you to address any imbalance.
Being overweight is not a new thing (although the sheer numbers are - obesity in Banting's time was a rare metabolic disorder) - and up until the 70s, we knew what to do about it.
Depends how many times you do it a day ;)
I can relate to Banting's sentiment. There's a vicious circle effect - the more you exercise, the more you need to eat, the more you need to exercise... it's easy to stop exercising, but it's not so easy to reduce your appetite accordingly. You don't really need the science - just look at the way many pro sportspeople's waistlines balloon very quickly after they retire.
What you do do of course is eventually reach an equilibrium with your intake and stop losing which is what has happened to me basically since January-ish. THEN you definitely need to look at your diet. *Sigh* why do I like food so much? ;) ::-)
What you do do of course is eventually reach an equilibrium with your intake and stop losing which is what has happened to me basically since January-ish. THEN you definitely need to look at your diet. *Sigh* why do I like food so much? ;) ::-)
If you can put up with being hungry, or you're lucky enough to be someone who doesn't get hungry after exercise, then exercise induced energy deficit probably works as a weight loss method. It didn't work for Banting, and it certainly doesn't work for me, at least, not when I'm on a Normal Western Diet (high carb) - the day after an audax, and I most definitely have Teh Hunger.
I believe DrMekon is something of an expert in this area.
If you can put up with being hungry, or you're lucky enough to be someone who doesn't get hungry after exercise, then exercise induced energy deficit probably works as a weight loss method. It didn't work for Banting, and it certainly doesn't work for me, at least, not when I'm on a Normal Western Diet (high carb) - the day after an audax, and I most definitely have Teh Hunger.
another term is SAD (standard american diet), a diet mainly consisting of processed food (http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/big-book/processed-foods-make-70-percent-us-diet) and sugar (http://wakeup-world.com/2012/10/26/the-shocking-statistical-truth-about-sugar/)
i hope people on here are more conscious of what they eat, compared to a typical american :)
I might see if I can get a book out of a "let your kids cough all over your food at the beginning of term" diet. The lung diet, maybe.
On antibiotics now. Another kilo off this week. BMI 19.3.
I'm waiting for this book to be published:
http://www.amazon.com/Diet-Cults-Surprising-Fallacy-Nutrition/dp/1605985600/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380111210&sr=1-8&keywords=matt+fitzgerald
I have no idea how but I am down nearly 2kg in a week!
I am considering doing that veg drink diet for a month or so, has anyone tried it?
Things like that are never really going to work that well, SW recipes all look really nice, but during the week, I don't have time to cook. Everything has to be on the go stuff, or stuff I can make like salads to take to work. I'm never going to sit down and have a proper meal at the table in the evenings, I don't have time for it :(
I appear to have lost about 6kg from somewhere. Not sure how that happened... ???Have you checked down the back of the bedside table? It might be in with the wires.
I can say that the 5:2 'fad' diet works for me - when I can be arsed to stick to it.
Ultimately, whether fad or not, dieting is all about willpower. I had a harsh lesson in this simple fact when I stopped the fasting regime for a few weeks, and promptly started piling on the kilos.
Back on the wagon, for now...
On Tuesday evening I saw the "exercise makes you fat" thing in action. I met up with a colleague in Alton and we went for a 35 mile spin. My colleague Steve is a Fast Little F*&ker and the terrain wasn't particularly flat.
I had eaten breakfast and lunch but not dinner. On our return to Alton at about 9:30pm we dived into the local curry house. Two popadoms, a tandoori chicken biryani with accompanying veggie curry plus 2 large bottles of beer disappeared down my throat in no time at all. There was a certain amount of indigestion in the small hours of Wednesday morning - serves me right!
On Tuesday evening I saw the "exercise makes you fat" thing in action. I met up with a colleague in Alton and we went for a 35 mile spin. My colleague Steve is a Fast Little F*&ker and the terrain wasn't particularly flat.
I had eaten breakfast and lunch but not dinner. On our return to Alton at about 9:30pm we dived into the local curry house. Two popadoms, a tandoori chicken biryani with accompanying veggie curry plus 2 large bottles of beer disappeared down my throat in no time at all. There was a certain amount of indigestion in the small hours of Wednesday morning - serves me right!
Lightweight! :P
I doubt I'll reach my 60kg target by New Year's Eve but I'll keep trying to lose weight until I do.
Feeling miffed...
MrsC and I have stopped drinking on school nights. We've gone down from three or four 'drinks' (in my case either 250ml bottles of Stella or 500ml bottles of various ales) to nothing from Sunday to Thursday evenings. I don't think our eating has been particularly unusual in the two and a half weeks since we started this. So why have I put on weight? ???
Feeling miffed...
MrsC and I have stopped drinking on school nights. We've gone down from three or four 'drinks' (in my case either 250ml bottles of Stella or 500ml bottles of various ales) to nothing from Sunday to Thursday evenings. I don't think our eating has been particularly unusual in the two and a half weeks since we started this. So why have I put on weight? ???
SteveC & OD - I could never go completely on the wagon, but I too have tried to cut out most of my casual drinking and I've found that it does make a big difference to weight loss progress, so good luck to you both.
AIUI, alcohol has lots of calories but absolutely no nutritional value, so cutting it out is an easy win, if you have the willpower.
*does little dance*
Well done fboab :) Are you still low carbing?Yes.
Sounds like you've sussed it, fboab. Good stuff.One
House smells slightly ketotic...
I had a medical this morning and it turns out I'm overweight. The cruelty of it! I've still lost well over a stone - and I'm 11/3, but I've lost an inch in height as well. I always thought I was 5 ft 7 - and a bit. I'm not, I'm just under 5 ft 6, that means my BMI is 25.5. How did that happen?Not sure but you are not alone! (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg1360866#msg1360866)
I had a medical this morning and it turns out I'm overweight. The cruelty of it! I've still lost well over a stone - and I'm 11/3, but I've lost an inch in height as well. I always thought I was 5 ft 7 - and a bit. I'm not, I'm just under 5 ft 6, that means my BMI is 25.5. How did that happen?
I had a medical this morning and it turns out I'm overweight. The cruelty of it! I've still lost well over a stone - and I'm 11/3, but I've lost an inch in height as well. I always thought I was 5 ft 7 - and a bit. I'm not, I'm just under 5 ft 6, that means my BMI is 25.5. How did that happen?
Ah here's the good news. You can still read BMI from your actual height (ie, the one you remember before your spine started shrinking). At least, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it (about 2" down from my original 5' 10") As none of it is from your legs, you still need to read bike sizing for the previous height so it makes perfect sense to me
BMI only sees the total weight. A BMI of <25 doesn’t mean you’re good (in fact, there are no guarantees), if you have a larger waist then this is an indication you need to lose body fat, and possibly gain muscle mass.
Conversely a BMI >25 doesn’t necessarily mean things are bad, either.
Next year (for I will need to be doing this again >:() I am going to switch the scales to kilos and do the whole thing in metric!
Far too confusing the other way round.
New layout, into which it is hopefully easier to enter our weekly data.
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If you would also like to record your waist measurement (it being felt that height:waist ratio is a better indicator of health than the notoriously pants BMI) you can use this table which simonp can graph, too.
If you would also like to record your waist measurement (it being felt that height:waist ratio is a better indicator of health than the notoriously pants BMI) you can use this table which simonp can graph, too.I have even bought a tape measure for this very purpose. Can't remember where I've put it but I've got nearly a fortnight to find it!
High ideals are all very well, but when you come in from a cold, invigorating walk and your body craves cake, what are you to do?
If your sole goal is to lose weight, if that's the reason to exercise, then yes, you are going to be disappointed. It's very hard to lose weight through exercise. But since when was that the only reason to exercise? Physical activity makes you happier, makes you smarter, helps your heart, helps digestion, and a thousand other things.
Second, the data on physical activity helps you keep weight off more than lose it. And third, you're right, there is no magic bullet and part of the problem is that once you're overweight, your body wants to stay that way. That's what we're evolved for.
There's a reason dieting is hard, people who lost weight, were at a reproductive disadvantage most of our evolutionary history. So when you diet, guess what, you exercise less, because you lose the motivation, because you're tired, right? That makes sense, because before the industrialization of food we were programmed to save that energy so we could reproduce better. If people understand the evolutionary story, they can better tackle the problem, they understand their body’s natural response.
What can I cut off next?
I had all my long hair cut off yesterday. I lost 0.6kg overnight plus I'm more aero. I've now lost 1.4 of my winter kilos, 2.6 to go.
What can I cut off next?
If you're peeing like a horse, be sure to add a little extra salt to your tea, or drink some broth - your kidneys will flush out a lot of sodium with that water and you may feel a bit fluey as a result (postural hypotension, shaky, maybe a bit chilled - and not in a good way).
I can't get past the cold-dead-flesh consistency of Avocados.Obviously, the cold dead flesh of ham is OK.
half-hearted "fasting" (reduced calories certainly but not 600 per day)
I'm trying to get used to the idea of feeling a bit hungry occasionally and convincing myself that this is not a bad thing and I don't necessarily need to eat RIGHT NOW, especially if there's a meal in the offing.
I can highly recommend having a two week old baby boy, which gives no time for absolutely anything!Congratulations!
half-hearted "fasting" (reduced calories certainly but not 600 per day)
This is kind of what I'm doing. I'm trying to get used to the idea of feeling a bit hungry occasionally and convincing myself that this is not a bad thing and I don't necessarily need to eat RIGHT NOW, especially if there's a meal in the offing. The prime danger points are mid/late morning (with lunch still more than an hour away) and at the station on the way home in the evening (when it's far too easy to pop into M&S for snackage while waiting for the train). I'm also trying to get back on the wagon of spurning the free food that comes into the office.
Forgot to weigh myself yesterday due to real life getting in the way. But having forgone chocolate, booze, cola, snacking at work, and trying to have breakfast which I'm not good at, and trying to eat mote healthily and less, I'm definitely feeling better and have a reduced craving for sweet stuff. Which is good.
Skipping breakfast isn't a good idea.Not necessarily true.
Oh god yeah, I'd never consider breakfast before riding/gymming in the morning. I'd a) see it again, and b) it would be too long till lunch.
Paul- I would be ok with them not moving had they not gone back up the 0.8kg, it's the back up when I feel I should be losing it that really pissed me off!
You say that you're training hard. It could be muscle mass. Weight isn't everything.
Remember that Lawrence Dallaglio was famously "Obese" (based on his BMI)
Aye, but you can tell he's holding his stomach in there. Check out the love handles above the shorts too.
Not saying he's obese, but not that lean either by the looks of it.
What percentage of adult males with a BMI of 31 have a bf of under 20%?A vanishingly small one.
What percentage of adult males with a BMI of 31 have a bf of under 20%?
Didn't we do this before?
Didn't we do this before?
Indeed. It's the nature of these discussions to be cyclical. Ho hum.
Anyway, as you pointed out back then, BMI is as good a measure as any.
PM, simonp's point is that Dallaglio is an entirely irrelevant example for the purposes of this discussion. Hands up anyone on yacf with a BMI of 31 and body fat of 11%. Anyone? No, thought not.
Hands up anyone on yacf with a BMI of 31Me! Me!
and body fat of 11%.Ah.
If you are slim but heavy then why worry?Because weight matters more than volume when you TT.
And my point was that weight is not the be all and end all (it was addressed to Lady Cavendish and her concern about not losing weight during hard training).
I'm not a high performance athlete... Getting my 10 mile time down from a long 21 to a short 21 or better...
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25118857
Even if you are metabolically healthy being obese carries long term risks.
· Do you wish you ate less? WISH isn't the word I'd use, tbh
· Do you eat to control your feelings? not really
· Do you ever feel frustrated and hopeless about your weight? Again not the description I'd use
· Do you wish that you felt differently about food, about yourself, and about life? yes, yes and no, no
I'm not a high performance athlete... Getting my 10 mile time down from a long 21 to a short 21 or better...
Yeah, OK, so you're no Tony Martin, that much is clear. ;)
We need numbers, not hearsay.
47.
That’s numberwang!
Correlation is not causation.We need numbers, not hearsay.
Aye, I'm instantly wary of any report that opens with "research suggests" or "a study has found".
Especially if it's on the BBC website (which usually means it's been inaccurately copied from somewhere else).
I’m not saying correlation equals causation. I’m just saying maybe we should think about switching to Google Plus.
Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-it-time-to-retire-the-low-carb-diet-fad/#ixzz2pzGvavZf
Dropped 3kg since Christmas. Fitbit sez:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23853117/YACF/Screenshot%202014-01-11%2014.01.09.png)
Just another 23kg to go... :'(
Correlation is not causation.We need numbers, not hearsay.
Aye, I'm instantly wary of any report that opens with "research suggests" or "a study has found".
Especially if it's on the BBC website (which usually means it's been inaccurately copied from somewhere else).
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/MDA2008/MDA%202011/cholesterol_theory.jpg)Quote from: Denise MingerI’m not saying correlation equals causation. I’m just saying maybe we should think about switching to Google Plus.
Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-it-time-to-retire-the-low-carb-diet-fad/#ixzz2pzGvavZf
I'm up from yesterday, but down for the week.
I've decided a key food on my non fasting days is avocado, I need to create a pipeline, that delivers me ripe avocados every other day.
I have decided to buy some new bathroom scales.
Our existing set has been annoying me for quite a long time but their vacillating between 109kg and 118kg was just too much. I wasn't even farting at the time.
I'm going for the Salter Academy ones. £70 is a bit steep, but I reckon I will be able to read the dial.
Fitness needs to improve so I am thinking about what exercise I should do, the weather isn't making cycling particularly desirable.
Yes, thanks, food for thought.
Well, that was a bit of a "Wake up call"! I rechecked and have managed to lose just OVER 2 kg in the past two weeks, I was quite chuffed with myself. Unfortunately on Thursday night I started to feel really, seriously unwell and scared that I was going to collapse! I removed my fears by taking the easy option and collapsing with what I can only think of as a Diabetes Prompted incident. BGs were, when I pulled round to a vague level of sensibility, 26.2 on the meter and when I checked again, about 3am, had only gone down to 19.6! I've been fooling myself that the drugs alone will keep the Diabetes at bay and it is now, not the first of these episodes, obvious that I need to do the work myself and use the medications as a Back up to sensible eating and exercise. Bread and potatoes seem to be the real BAD for me and I am, as of February the 1st, handing total control of my eating to my brother Sprogs. I eat it if he tells me to and don't eat it unless he tells me to. No more Pizza and Pringles nights, No More Pork and Pringles nights, No More Kebab and Pringles nights.. can you see the pattern?
There you go, Ectomorph and Endomorph.
In other news, we've had a huge sweet shop-style jar of cinder toffee delivered to the office. I am finding it incredibly hard to keep my hands out of it. :(
But there are some morons around who haven't got any,,, ;D
A good dieter needs Will Power and Perseverance.
A good dieter needs Will Power and Perseverance.
Amen, sister! Hallelujah! Praise be, etc.
We all know what we have to do. Alas, Satan in the form of cakes, biccies, sweeties and pastries can lead the weak astray. The path of righteousness is not an easy one to tread, many temptations lie in wait for the unwary.
Always recite a Benediction before eating any snack.
Say a Benediction after eating a snack.
Well, buying my new bathroom scales may have been a mistake. They say I weigh marginally more than the old, erratic, ones did at the top of their range!
Well, buying my new bathroom scales may have been a mistake. They say I weigh marginally more than the old, erratic, ones did at the top of their range!
Exactly what happened when we bought new, highly accurate scales. Life is so unfair.
A good dieter needs Will Power and Perseverance.
Amen, sister! Hallelujah! Praise be, etc.
We all know what we have to do. Alas, Satan in the form of cakes, biccies, sweeties and pastries can lead the weak astray. The path of righteousness is not an easy one to tread, many temptations lie in wait for the unwary.
5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your legs will be strong, and you will be like God, and ride up hills fast.”
was moaning earlier about how going to the gym three times a week doesn't seem to make the slightest difference to his waistline.
was moaning earlier about how going to the gym three times a week doesn't seem to make the slightest difference to his waistline.
Exercise doesn't help you to lose weight, though it makes you fitter. Only calorie restriction in one form or another will work, ie. eating less.
Exercise can help you lose weight, you just need to not over compensate with increased food intake when you increase the amount of exercise.
As we've established over and again in this discussion, it's a bit more complicated than calories in vs calories out (even if you are able to measure the figures accurately).
As we've established over and again in this discussion, it's a bit more complicated than calories in vs calories out (even if you are able to measure the figures accurately).
Yes, it's an oversimplification, but then so is believing that exercise will lead to weight loss. It might, but there are other factors to consider before exercise helps a lot.
You don't say "Children become bigger as they get older, because they overeat", though it's undoubtedly true.
Chris isn't talking about children getting fat, he's talking about children growing.QuoteYou don't say "Children become bigger as they get older, because they overeat", though it's undoubtedly true.
What?!
Children become bigger because they are growing.
They continue to grow for a while even if starved.
Not all growing children become fat, whatever their hormones.
I am turning into a soup dragon. Wide necked flask of veggie soup is becoming my lunch when travelling. If I am staying away, I cut out the evening meal and go for a walk. I avoid booking breakfast if it's an extra and just have a pot of instant porridge in my room. Boring but effective .I trust you are still eating *something* in the evening though?
Today I had a review at the gym.a) Still 2kg lighter at the gym than at home. They must have lower gravity
a) Their scales say my weight is lower than my scales at home do. By 2+kg.
b) Apparently I am 'only' 29.6% lard. This was a surprise as I thought I was more than that, given that at 90kg I was 45% lard
c) Apparently I have 52kg of lean muscle mass.
d) 52kg of muscle + 29.6% lard leaves 4.7kg of bones and other stuff. Really?
Hmmm.
It's always so hard to resist a 3 course meal, full English and copious amounts of alcohol when on company expenses.
However, I'm a bit confused at him saying there's nothing he'd change in your program- gym programs shouldnt stay the same however good they are, they need to be changed up every so often, not just lifting heavier weights for the same exercises all the time...... a PTs job is surely to review programs and make new/alternative suggestions? :-\Well, precisely!
You shouldn't feel a plank though, that's just silly talk- I bet you are one hell of a lot stronger than loads of the people in there.
I am turning into a soup dragon. Wide necked flask of veggie soup is becoming my lunch when travelling. If I am staying away, I cut out the evening meal and go for a walk. I avoid booking breakfast if it's an extra and just have a pot of instant porridge in my room. Boring but effective .
I have to force myself to do my weights sessions, I'd rather just do something else, but hey, needs must.I like lifting weights.
Good news: 3kg down since the start of the year.
Bad news: none of that has come off my waistline, which is the one and only area where I need to lose a bit.
Sigh.
I know it'll come off eventually if I keep at it, but it's still mildly depressing.
Isn't 27.4% "good" for a woman? I thought they tended to sit around the 25% mark anyway?
b) Now only 27.4% lard
It's a shame I'm so fat. I'd clearly be a fantastic personal trainer. ::-)
My biggest problem is being embarrassed- there's things I wont do because I feel a plank- and not in an ab improving way. But going somewhere makes me more likely to go than if I tried to do it at home, I'd probably just stay in bed longer.
Depends on your age. It's OK. It's a lot better than my BMI (31) implies.Isn't 27.4% "good" for a woman? I thought they tended to sit around the 25% mark anyway?
b) Now only 27.4% lard
It's a shame I'm so fat. I'd clearly be a fantastic personal trainer. ::-)
I'm under advice to avoid ketosis....
I don't want LCHF, just LC really, anything that might help me to just get some of this fat off that is sat on my hips and arse. Just the most frustrated person ever and want ideas as to WTF to do.
Offer around a beginning of randonneur.
WOLAS (West of London Astronomical Society) has its Annual Meal this coming Monday. I'm looking at the nutritional information on the menu at the venue.
It states there are 3394kcal in their 6oz gammon steak with pineapple. Even with all the trimmings, I find it a little difficult to believe...
WOLAS (West of London Astronomical Society) has its Annual Meal this coming Monday. I'm looking at the nutritional information on the menu at the venue.
It states there are 3394kcal in their 6oz gammon steak with pineapple. Even with all the trimmings, I find it a little difficult to believe...
That sounds astronomical.
Typo I suspect. Too may '3's.
For what it's worth, I think a colleague just got a grant to run a keto-diet trial funded. I'll be interested to see his protocol.Cool! Does he want guinea pigs?
A 16oz steak is about 600 calories or thereabouts.
You have to be going some to fit 3000 calories on a plate.
You have to be going some to fit 3000 calories on a plate.
A 16oz steak is about 600 calories or thereabouts.
You have to be going some to fit 3000 calories on a plate.
A 16oz steak is about 600 calories or thereabouts.
You have to be going some to fit 3000 calories on a plate.
334 g of Walrus blubber.
Now please some diet expert, explain this.
Now please some diet expert, explain this.
I'm not an expert but this has been much discussed in this thread...
AIUI, the calorific content of different foods may well be the same, but the body won't process those different foods in the same way - some foods are processed more efficiently than others.
The thing is with breakfast cerials is that I tend to serve out far to much into my bowl.Being the type of person who can't be bothered to weigh food,I have started to use those small boxes you tend to get in hotels,hospitals ect.They come in at 35g which is about right.If I am going for a long ride I eat whatever I like.
Portion sizes are a funny business. No way could I last until lunchtime on the standard 35g cereal portion size.Heh. My average day:
What would you do differently?Less.
I am feeling slightly hungry after a small lunch to compensate for large breakfast today.
breakfast makes you hungrier for the rest of the day - especially if it's carby and kicks off a blood-sugar surge/crash cycle.
Best news for me this week is that my waist is down by 2cm. :thumbsup:
Citoyen, I've seen the pics, you have nothing to worry about anyway ;)
For every cm of waistline lost on Citoyen his pic in That Calendar gains a cm around the middle. But unlike Dorian's, this will be visible in thousands of kitchens across middle England.
How does it compare with your thighs?
Best news for me this week is that my waist is down by 2cm. :thumbsup:
The only true measurement.
How does it compare with your thighs?
I've found that getting back into fasting, I have to kick off with the 2 day fast to get things going again. I'm on alternate day, and also cutting back on carbs.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/12205970283_fa5385cab6.jpg) (http://flic.kr/p/jAAMHv)
Plot your progress performance as a fourth order polynomial.
If it deflects up at an extrapolated point in the future, that indicates the lightest your regime will ever get you.
From your very first data point, calculate a ‘Target glidepath’ based on 1% per week. The line will be a curve.
Your ‘Ideal’ weight will be your present weight less the weight of your surplus fat over and above your ‘Ideal’ fat%.
‘Ideal’ fat% can be found on the US Navy recruit information website ( it used to be ).
This means that your ‘Ideal’ weight is independent of muscle mass. For example, It’s your physique with the ‘lean to A1’ fat % on it. About 14 – 17 % for a 20 yr old man.
No alcohol for 4 and a half weeks, more exercise than normal, no significant changes to diet, total lost just over 1kg. Sigh.
I've lost 7cm off my waist. Surely that's wrong. Hell, that means I'm only 6cm too short!
(Mr Gym Boss who was there when I pronounced this joy thought that was hysterically funny).
I've lost 7cm off my waist. Surely that's wrong. Hell, that means I'm only 6cm too short!
(Mr Gym Boss who was there when I pronounced this joy thought that was hysterically funny).
No change to my weight, and I have gained 4cm on my waist.
(Sorry Chris. Things may change. We'll need a new tandem, for a start.)
No change to my weight, and I have gained 4cm on my waist.
As helly said upthread, waistlines can fluctuate significantly. I'd wait until I had several more data points before worrying it was a trend.
I got a leather belt. On the inside, I wrote "32" at the hole that was 32 inches from the buckle. Likewise "33" at the hole 33 inches and "31" at the hole 31 inches from the buckle.
When I start needing the 32 hole, I cut down on food, and try to get some 100 km rides after work.
A good read is that of Dave Willoughby.
If your search engine has problems, here is the link.
http://ditillo2.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/is-your-waist-properly-proportioned.html
A good read is that of Dave Willoughby.
If your search engine has problems, here is the link.
http://ditillo2.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/is-your-waist-properly-proportioned.html
A good read is that of Dave Willoughby.
If your search engine has problems, here is the link.
http://ditillo2.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/is-your-waist-properly-proportioned.html
Did anyone have the guts to read this?
;D :thumbsup:
I reckon I would have lost more weight if I had actually got some exercise.Probably not, tbh. You'd have built up an appetite riding, stopped for lunch, cake and a pleasant beer or two and had a much nicer time, but not have lost any more weight.
I find it much easier to meet the calorie deficit I need if I am getting exercise.I'm sure Wowbagger wont mind me saying that you probably exercise at a higher intensity than he does.
I find it much easier to meet the calorie deficit I need if I am getting exercise.I'm sure Wowbagger wont mind me saying that you probably exercise at a higher intensity than he does.
the inevitable mid-week recovery munching.quite.
It is incredible how many of the weight chart graphs do a slow climb up to 1 Jan, and then dive ;D
Initial weight gain or loss following a binge or fast is rapid as most of the weight is not fat.
Fat is very concentrated and shifts slowly in either direction.
Waistlines are made in the kitchen, mostly.
Thanks fboab, that sums up this thread entirely. :thumbsup:
Got a wee shock on my bodyfat analyser scales the other day - I'm 6'2", and apparently 180 lbs, and 51% body fat, 17% water...
:o
Got a wee shock on my bodyfat analyser scales the other day - I'm 6'2", and apparently 180 lbs, and 51% body fat, 17% water...
:o
Such scales are known to be inaccurate and your result would confirm this.
If you were 5'2" I might believe it...
The measure for ‘Fat-bellyness’.
Lie on the floor. Relax. Place a spirit level diagonally from one Thoracic peak to the opposite acetabulum ( hip peak ).
If the spirit level is held above either of these two points by the belly, the belly is too big.
The measure for ‘Fat-bellyness’.
Lie on the floor. Relax. Place a spirit level diagonally from one Thoracic peak to the opposite acetabulum ( hip peak ).
If the spirit level is held above either of these two points by the belly, the belly is too big.
The acetabulum is the socket in the hip joint for the 'ball' of the femur.
The thinnest of us would be unable to get a spirit level anywhere near!
A yardstick placed between my two anterior superior iliac spines is clear of my belly if I lie on the floor.
The measure for ‘Fat-bellyness’.
Lie on the floor. Relax. Place a spirit level diagonally from one Thoracic peak to the opposite acetabulum ( hip peak ).
If the spirit level is held above either of these two points by the belly, the belly is too big.
The acetabulum is the socket in the hip joint for the 'ball' of the femur.
The thinnest of us would be unable to get a spirit level anywhere near!
A yardstick placed between my two anterior superior iliac spines is clear of my belly if I lie on the floor.
Yur the boss.
The diagonal technique was what I was shown.
Are you sure a YARDSTICK is necessary? A twelve inch rule, surely ??? ;)
Feline just gave me a cream egg.
I have 28 calories left today. A cream egg is 136 calories. I gave it back.
I am having trouble controlling my hunger at the moment.I am increasing my cycling atm and after the long hard rides can't stop eating.I am talking about real physical hunger here not mental hunger.When it gets me I haven't the patience to wait for eggs to boil and snatch instant food while it's cooking.Anything is fair game when the hunger gets me.I try and avoid keeping junk food in the house,because of this,but I have 2 teenagers.HELP I am hoping to double my milage in the next couple of months
I have been known to open a can of beans and eat them cold, straight from the can with a spoon, when I'm that hungry.I can beat that. A tin of cold Heinz macaroni cheese eaten using crisps in place of a spoon!
I need to stop having two rolls when I’m not doing extra exercise.
When we were on the ‘big’ diet I coped with one, even when I’d been swimming (most of the time).
I only switched to having two when the lunchtime rides became regular enough that I was raiding the café or the sweet machine most days.
So, I will bring two rolls in on Mondays.
If I don’t have do ‘serious’ exercise (ride longer than home and back or a run) I will only eat one and will put the other in the fridge.
If there is one in the fridge already (or I know that I will be not exercising) I will bring in just one.
Or at least I’ll try.
Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource. Here's the American Psychologists Associations take:
http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=4
Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.
DrMekon is the expert but the the theories are here:
http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=6
Goodness, have you just proved to yourself what I said 50 pages ago?Willpower is a really shit way of doing anything. It means it's a continuous battle, using a finite resource. Here's the American Psychologists Associations take:
http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=4
Much more effective is creating good habits and hunger management.
DrMekon is the expert but the the theories are here:
http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower.aspx?item=6
Pretty much spot on for the calorie deficit I am running.
Pretty much spot on for the calorie deficit I am running.
IIRC, you eat a fairly low-carb diet; in the order of 100g a day, is that right?
For Reference, normal "Western diet" would be 300g (Europe) and 500g (USA).
Minor post-audax weight gain...
I've been Eating for England since Sunday. I'd forgotten quite how bad this side effect can be.
Minor post-audax weight gain...
I've been Eating for England since Sunday. I'd forgotten quite how bad this side effect can be.
That's your body telling you you didn't eat enough carbs during the ride.
That's your body telling you you didn't eat enough carbs during the ride.
Minor post-audax weight gain...
I've been Eating for England since Sunday. I'd forgotten quite how bad this side effect can be.
That's your body telling you you didn't eat enough carbs during the ride.
I'm not sure it's either desirable or possible to eat enough carbs on an Audax.
You need a target Geoff.
Design and recce some new routes from the Pretty Pigs.
Wellesbourne Airfield Cafe, Kidderminster SVR, Penkridge and back to the Pigs is 201 km.
We think that obesity (or at least fatness) are being normalised and that this is unhealthy.
Whilst my waist is not as trim as it was in the 80s, my hip measurement is much the same and M&S is far to baggy round the waist.
Whilst my waist is not as trim as it was in the 80s, my hip measurement is much the same and M&S is far to baggy round the waist.
As I know you are a fan of grammatical correctness, can I point out that having clothes that are far to baggy is quite different to having ones that are far too baggy?
After David's partial health screening today (he still needs a blood test to check his sugar, cholesterol etc), he was told he should weigh more.
He has a BMI of 20.5 and a comfortable subcutaneous layer.
He is lean but not emaciated.
We think that obesity (or at least fatness) are being normalised and that this is unhealthy.
I have been slated Elsewhere for having a 'dangerous' attitude to food and fat.
I think unhealthy eating habits are being normalised by society and the food industry.
I don't think our latest encounter with the NHS was helpful...
Lost 4.5kg yesterday - that can't be good. I suspect that I have some water and glycogen to replace.
A 220km DIY audax... I now feel like a piece of dried fruit and I know my weight will come straight back as soon as I see a glass of water. Tried scrambled eggs for breakfast today - hoping that my body will use some of its fat stores to rebuild muscle and glycogen. This thought is not based on any scientific knowledge, just hope.
Looking at the weight loss chart (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28731.msg914628#msg914628), are you OK rafletcher? Did you have a leg or two removed this week? If not, I think you win YACF's slimmer of the week award.
BTW Simon, it's great that you can crawl these pages to produce those charts. Would it be easy to fit the trend line as a non-linear one (e.g. quadratic should do it) since most of us tend to start with a reasonably strong drop then begin to plateau? I think my asymptotic weight must be around 63kg (unless I resort to rafletcher style amputation).
On second thoughts… it’s done.
Looks like Rafletcher will have a negative weight within a matter of days…
They also demonstrate how pointless our struggles are. Not one of us has lost and kept off any weight of significance.
They also demonstrate how pointless our struggles are. Not one of us has lost and kept off any weight of significance.
Citoyen clearly has lost weight and kept it off.
You were looking pretty trim on the photo you posted on Facebook, boab.
I think the weights are making a difference to your shape and, by implication, your fat levels.
Losing fat is bloody hard work, especially if you want:
1) To keep the weight off - non-fat weight is easier to lose & gain but keeping properly lean is another matter!
2) To stay well enough to work, think and move and to resist frequent lurgies.
Running a consistent energy deficit can leave me hungry, obsessed by food, sleepy and constipated.
I can only really speak for myself. Weight loss might be 'simple' (especially if your mind oversimplifies matters).
It is NOT easy!
As a bunch, yacfers *are* less blobby than the general population. Stuck in a wheelchair, my eye level is rather close to people's belly levels. People seem to have ENORMOUS bellies nowadays!
Even if we are not losing as much weight as we would like (and I certainly am not), we are still making some progress avoiding the worst excesses of obesity.
Many of my former class or college mates are HUGE.
But the girl who married at 19 and had 12 children is a Size 8....
Keep going, boab; weight loss is not futile or hopeless.
It just IS NOT EASY!
If you're spending your time hungry and thinking about food your strategy is going to fail. Also running is not an upper body work out, unless you do it like this:
(http://zacheven-esh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/JHindsPW21.jpg)
If you're spending your time hungry and thinking about food your strategy is going to fail.
Also running is not an upper body work out, ..........
........ as would some sort of upper body work out.
Well, it is for me, & I've always struggled to understand how it's hard for other people.Back when the BBC website still had a large health section, I did an online test there about my eating habits. At the time, I'd just been seriously dieting and had come down from 17 stone to 11 stone something, so my eating was 'under control'. The test report was that, although I was obviously eating healthily at the time, I had 'problems with my attitude to food' (or some such wording, it was a long time ago) and that I should keep an eye on this. As I have now gone back up to around 14 stone, they obviously weren't totally wrong. I've no idea why I'm like that with food: too fond of the stuff (certainly), too greedy (probably), prefer short term satisfaction to long term gain, who knows. But it doesn't make it 'easy'.
I can understand those who can't exercise due to disability & eat for comfort, but find it hard to empathise or sympathise with others.
Well, it is for me, & I've always struggled to understand how it's hard for other people.Back when the BBC website still had a large health section, I did an online test there about my eating habits. At the time, I'd just been seriously dieting and had come down from 17 stone to 11 stone something, so my eating was 'under control'. The test report was that, although I was obviously eating healthily at the time, I had 'problems with my attitude to food' (or some such wording, it was a long time ago) and that I should keep an eye on this. As I have now gone back up to around 14 stone, they obviously weren't totally wrong. I've no idea why I'm like that with food: too fond of the stuff (certainly), too greedy (probably), prefer short term satisfaction to long term gain, who knows. But it doesn't make it 'easy'.
I can understand those who can't exercise due to disability & eat for comfort, but find it hard to empathise or sympathise with others.
I'm up this week. I blame the fudge I made on Monday, and the doro wat I also made on Monday, and the roast dinner Feline produced last night.
God, another week with no weight loss. Sigh. I really, really, really need to try harder. I have only done exercise twice this week, always finding a reason not to. This is how I get to 130+kg and I certainly don't want to go there again!
Next week perhaps at least 0.5kg off or there will be no way I will get down to my target by the end of the year.
there are lots of good reasons to exercise of course, but losing weight isn't one of them.
My new phone has a fitbit app, and it's trying to get me to walk 5 miles a day or 10,000 steps. It's quite addictive, I may even go for a stroll after work to log more steps.
Still, it gives me an opportunity to drag my wardrobe kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
My weight this morning started with a 7 for the first time in ages. Been creeping up for the last month due to stress-related comfort eating and drinking. Need to get back on top of this, especially with the Brimstone 600 just three weeks away.
The good news is that now I don't have a job, I'll have plenty of time for exercise... :facepalm:
I'm thinking of starting a Weight Gain Discussion Thread as everything I have to report is off-topic.
up over 2kg in a Week! This is not good :hand:
I'm thinking of starting a Weight Gain Discussion Thread as everything I have to report is off-topic.
I might join you there. :-\
4kg in a week! :o
up over 2kg in a Week! This is not good :hand:
... I'll also try and emulate Bledlow by exercising more and harder ...Not emulating me. Illness has kept my exercise levels down to depressingly low levels lately, & that means I have to remember to eat less. But my trousers have got tighter. :(
If you describe your diet as 'low junk', does that make it a cult? ;)
I do know a few people that have done really well with WW. But all those fake WW cake things you see in the supermarkets- lemon slices, choc brownies all about 100 calories- they look horrible, kind of like eating air with artificial flavouring. They look really unsatisfying. I have a really sweet tooth but even I would rather eat a banana for the calories, they just look a total waste.They are much as you describe. When I was doing WW seriously we didn't bother, but people have bought them for me at work and the like. I would far rather have one decent cake as a real treat, once a month than those things every day or week.
Down 8kg in 15 days, courtesy a liver & blood infection. Lost a lot of muscle too, though...I can now pinch the skin on my calf, which I haven't been able to do for years..
Bloody hell, Mcshroom, you are wasting away! You are almost a stone lighter than I am at the moment!Not quite so good when fully hydrated, but still 1.2kg down on last week. :)
Well done to the losers this week :)You will know when to stop. If I drop below 10st I feel very weak on the bike. My "optimum" range is between 10st and 10st 4lbs. I'm 5'9".
I've lost a teeny bit more- it's hard to know where to stop. Some people are telling me I need to stop, but then people always say that who don't realise how much difference extra weight can make when racing.....
You will know when to stop. If I drop below 10st I feel very weak on the bike. My "optimum" range is between 10st and 10st 4lbs. I'm 5'9".
You will know when to stop. If I drop below 10st I feel very weak on the bike. My "optimum" range is between 10st and 10st 4lbs. I'm 5'9".
We must be rather different builds. I'm 5'8" and if I go below 10st 10lbs I look (and feel) on the verge of anorexia.
You will know when to stop. If I drop below 10st I feel very weak on the bike. My "optimum" range is between 10st and 10st 4lbs. I'm 5'9".
We must be rather different builds. I'm 5'8" and if I go below 10st 10lbs I look (and feel) on the verge of anorexia.
We must be rather different builds. I'm 5'8" and if I go below 10st 10lbs I look (and feel) on the verge of anorexia.Yup. I've got mountain goat build.
More importantly I suppose, my BP has dropped from an average of about 128/80 to a more respectable 115/73.
120/80 is the high end of normal so it wasn't serious before but I'm not complaining about it being below the top limit.
So are you feeling ok again now Chris? Are you able to ride ok and stuff?
One armed turbo training?
One armed turbo training?
Face pyjama! (http://facepyjamas.org/whatisfp.html)
Well done, Chris. I wish I had something so positive to report. The best I can say is that my weight isn't rising any further. Steady at a bit over 71kg at the moment. Really need to shed some weight before the marathon(s) in September. I intend to have a dry August to see if that makes a difference.If you use Strava, you can direct the myfitnesspal app to automatically link with Strava so that activites get included without you doing anything.
Something else that might make a difference is how I'm recording my exercise stats. I've been using Tapiriik to automagically sync my Garmin with Myfitnesspal via Runkeeper, but Tapiriik seems to have stopped working, so I've reverted to syncing via Endomondo, uploading rides manually.
Interestingly, a ride uploaded to mfp via Endomondo comes out at not much more than half the calories than the same ride uploaded to mfp via Runkeeper. Now, I knew the Runkeeper figures were on the high side, so I've been taking that into account when assessing my calorie allowances on mfp, but it will be harder to lie to myself using the Endomondo figures! I'm guessing the truth is somewhere between the two figures, but using the Endomondo figures as a guide is more likely to lead to weight loss...
Salad might be too fiddly if you don't have a kitchen, unless you're buying ready-made.
Indulge in fresh soft fruits; they're cheap right now, not to high in Calories and rather delicious...
Salad might be too fiddly if you don't have a kitchen, unless you're buying ready-made.
Indulge in fresh soft fruits; they're cheap right now, not to high in Calories and rather delicious...
Good call. (Supporting my local independent greengrocer...) peaches and plums are in season and cheap.
And a shower head with colander makes a very good salad washer!
I think you might find that Simon is out on his bicycle right now;
yacf member goes cycling SHOCK! HORROR!
If you use Strava, you can direct the myfitnesspal app to automatically link with Strava so that activites get included without you doing anything.
Seem to have dropped a kilo over the past fortnight.
Used a tape measure for the first time in aeons last night.
40-32-44
The XL yacf T-shirt that's on its way may not be big enough but I really aren't a giant!
More work needed!
I felt a need to enter the weight reports for 2012, which I have now done.
I regret not doing this sooner as my 2012 progress was rather better than that of 2013 or 2014.
I felt a need to enter the weight reports for 2012, which I have now done.
I regret not doing this sooner as my 2012 progress was rather better than that of 2013 or 2014.
I updated the graphs and you can see the steady progress you've made quite clearly - nice one!
I felt a need to enter the weight reports for 2012, which I have now done.
I regret not doing this sooner as my 2012 progress was rather better than that of 2013 or 2014.
I updated the graphs and you can see the steady progress you've made quite clearly - nice one!
Thanks!
It's been a great morale boost.
I hope this can encourage others to look at the big picture and keep good eating habits even if there is no short-term progress.
My weight had shown no loss for the first seven months of this year...
And here is the not news BONG!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29031985 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29031985)
You will lose weight more successfully if you stick to your eating plan, whatever it may be.
FWIW I am not on any specific diet though 'less junk, less everything' might sum it up.
I seem, at present, to weigh less than others who record their weight.
Inspired I looked back at my diary from last year and I am 20 lb lighter than I was. So slow progress but that's ok. I have always been a plodder.
The good news is that life/work are back on a more even keel nowDitto.
I used to ride weighing around 61 kgs, but now I'm nearer to 63 or 64 kgs, and I can't seem to get back down...
However I'm told by SWMBO that I have gained muscle in my legs and bum.....
Could I have gained 2 or 3 kgs in that area, and no fat??
That's a good question. Waist unchanged cos I'm still comfortable in 30" Levis.I used to ride weighing around 61 kgs, but now I'm nearer to 63 or 64 kgs, and I can't seem to get back down...
However I'm told by SWMBO that I have gained muscle in my legs and bum.....
Could I have gained 2 or 3 kgs in that area, and no fat??
What is your waist measurement doing?
If you really wanted accuracy, multiple skinfold measurements and waist measurements over time would be helpful...
Sounds lean and lovely!
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I have a band of muscle on the front if my thighs that runs from outside (high) to the inside of the knee, slanting inwards, which I've seen on a couple of Severn Road Club riders, who I know have done huge distances for donkey's years, so maybe that's it?
Sounds lean and lovely!
Replacing the fat I laid down on holiday in Spain last year with muscle. Probably not the leanest I’ve been, yet.
I’ve been ill for all but 2 days of the last 12 days now - coming up for 2 weeks. I’m hoping last night was the worst of it, I called in sick today. I’ve managed to cycle commute once, and go to the gym once in that time. This one started on Thursday last week. I weighted 78.0kg on Wednesday last week, a record. 10kg over my weight in mid 2010.
Just weighed in at 75.0kg. That’s quite some fluctuation.
Just tried to update the graphs - broken. Probably caused by upgrading to Yosemite.
Banned from the gym and any high intensity work, constant battles with children and we're back to eating crap and gaining weight. Joy.Yep real-life sucks. I thought I couldn't work losing weight into real life, but somehow It seems possible. I've not read all this thread, life's too short, but here's been my story.
Losing weight would be easy if you didn't have to work it into Real Life.
All I've done is give up: All free sugar, cakes, pies pastries, BIG carbs such as Bread, Rice, Pasta, Potatoes Cereal. No more no less. So living off Salad, veggies, Meats, Pulses, Eggs, Dairy.O, you mean like this: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=67736.0
Brekkie is 2 fried eggs. Nom!
All I've done is give up: All free sugar, cakes, pies pastries, BIG carbs such as Bread, Rice, Pasta, Potatoes Cereal. No more no less. So living off Salad, veggies, Meats, Pulses, Eggs, Dairy.O, you mean like this: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=67736.0
Brekkie is 2 fried eggs. Nom!
;)
It's fine till you're really depressed and take to sugar in lieu of the antidepressants that you're quickly taken off because of the whole fainting-at-the-slightest-exertion, thing.
I'd drink, but that'd get me sacked, wheras sugar doesn't. Well, hasn't yet, anyway.
I've put on almost 3kg of sugar-attracted water & fat this week.
Werhey!
Sounds good, ff.3s ... because you're worth it ....
I can't say I suffer much on my '3S' diet - Steak, Salad and Strawberries.
(Well, that's the summer edition and I do eat other things.)
But it's not cheap.
Sounds good, ff.3s ... because you're worth it ....
I can't say I suffer much on my '3S' diet - Steak, Salad and Strawberries.
(Well, that's the summer edition and I do eat other things.)
But it's not cheap.
Meanwhile, the Brits are plugging for more weight loss surgery.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29953082 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29953082)
I'm sure that some obese people get trapped into a repeat ( overeating -> weight gain --> depression -> inactivity -> ) vicious cycle but I'm not convinced its solution is bariatric surgery for the massive masses.
This speaks to me of admission of defeat on the public health side.
Rubbish.Meanwhile, the Brits are plugging for more weight loss surgery.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29953082 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29953082)
I'm sure that some obese people get trapped into a repeat ( overeating -> weight gain --> depression -> inactivity -> ) vicious cycle but I'm not convinced its solution is bariatric surgery for the massive masses.
This speaks to me of admission of defeat on the public health side.
I blame the parents. All those ‘modern gullibles’ who listened to the ‘Feed on Demand’ crap that was spouted in the 1980s saying “Feeding on demand results in a higher IQ.”
In the first six months of life, baby learns that mum will always supply food when it moans. The cast was set.
Here starteth the ‘over feeding’ epidemic.
I want to not want to eat. How do you do that?Way back then I asked this question.
Losing 6kg in as many weeks is ambitious and possibly not very healthy.It's not quite that bad. I'm trying to lose about 4.5kg. I reckon that my initial rapid weight loss will have allowed me to shed about 1.5kg before I next weigh in on Wednesday, which will leave me about 7 weeks (if the baby's on time) to lose the other 3 kg. This would be steep for me (I'm normally 3 weeks per kg if I don't slip), but just about doable if it wasn't for Christmas in between. I'm just going to have to hope that the baby will take after his/her father and be late for everything...
Initial weight loss can be rapid so you might be in with a chance but I wouldn't be too harsh; accept good progress even if it's slow.
I will stick with my
less food
less junk
not too much carb
Weigh myself occasionally but keep an eye on the inches/ tape measure
regime.
I will have to be a bit careful forever but hope to stop reducing next year.
Maybe.
I will stick with my
less food
less junk
not too much carb
Weigh myself occasionally but keep an eye on the inches/ tape measure
regime.
I will have to be a bit careful forever but hope to stop reducing next year.
Maybe.
I admire your will power. Good luck.
Interesting comments on the “fat-burning zone”:
http://road.cc/content/feature/138083-fact-burning-zone-fat-burning-myths-busted
Interesting comments on the “fat-burning zone”:
http://road.cc/content/feature/138083-fact-burning-zone-fat-burning-myths-busted
I read that and thought "That's all very well but IME high intensity exercise leaves me ravenous and craving carbs while low intensity activity does not, especially if I'm not cold."
On the topic of weight loss, I've just achieved my first ever weight reduction. I've lost about 2" of my waistline simply by avoiding major carbs so: No bread, Pasta, Rice, Cakes, cereals and minimal potato. No more sugar in tea of coffee, no desserts, no sodas diet or otherwise.
Once coming down of the sugar/insulin roller-coaster, I've found my appetite has moderated, I feel more alert and less bloaty.
It's really not been difficult to maintain either.
I'm eating eggs, meat, dairy, with lots of salad and fresh fruit (in moderation) and increased vegetables. Simples.
On the topic of weight loss, I've just achieved my first ever weight reduction. I've lost about 2" of my waistline simply by avoiding major carbs so: No bread, Pasta, Rice, Cakes, cereals and minimal potato. No more sugar in tea of coffee, no desserts, no sodas diet or otherwise.
Once coming down of the sugar/insulin roller-coaster, I've found my appetite has moderated, I feel more alert and less bloaty.
It's really not been difficult to maintain either.
I'm eating eggs, meat, dairy, with lots of salad and fresh fruit (in moderation) and increased vegetables. Simples.
How have you implemented this lifestyle change ff? Do you find you spend more time preparing food?
Not planning to lose or gain any weight over Christmas. I'm 76.6kg, my weight is flat for more than a year, pretty much.
I might get to 100kg on deadlift by Christmas, though. My earliest logged deadlift was 3x8 at 40kg on 7th October. Yesterday, I did 3x6 @ 95kg. So I should be trying for 100kg next week.
MrsC saw her rheumatologist last week. "You are obese. This will not help with bad joints."MrsC has been banging on about needing to lose weight over the break so I think she really is serious (hasn't stopped us indulging of course).
This has been the kick-start we've needed, so, from the new year we'll be back using Weight Watchers again.
We managed serious weight loss about eleven years ago, but I've put back half and she's back to nearly where we started.
The reason we're not starting now is that we need to get our heads round the 'new' points system; we understood the old one quite well, but it's all changed.
So if I start muttering about 'plus points' and 'activity points' or whatever they're called now, you'll all understand.
I've managed to put on 1.5kg over Christmas. Not quite as bad as feared, given the amount of chocolate I've eaten, but the wrong side of 60kg. :-\
I've managed to put on 1.5kg over Christmas. Not quite as bad as feared, given the amount of chocolate I've eaten, but the wrong side of 60kg. :-\
=TEXT(INT((A1*2.20462)/14),0)&" Stones "&TEXT(INT(MOD(A1*2.20462,14)),0)&" Lbs "&TEXT((MOD(A1*2.20462,14)-INT(MOD(A1*2.20462,14)))*16,0)&" Ounces"
Since dieting is basically a failed way to lose weight over the long term I'd be interested in seeing if our numbers back that up.
This thread has been running since 2008.
Would any of you, who have been trying to lose weight in this period, care to post:
1) Start Weight
2) Year
3) Current Weight.
I happen to know that was 13st 4lb in 1997. I know that because it was the point I started a diet with some friends and we all noted down our weights.
In 17 years of careful weight management I have managed to add 8 pounds (Jan 1st 2015).
I may have once managed to drop below 13-4 and that would have been at the finish line of PBP2011 (because I was 13-6 going into it).
I have risen to 15-3 twice in that period (Jan 3rd 2014 being the last time).
The one positive to be drawn from this is that this is the lightest I've been on Jan 1st for a long time and is part of my "must get below 13 stone for PBP2015" plan.
Good luck with your own plans everyone, I know how tough (impossible?) it can be.
Just be reminded that your brain is doing every single thing it can to stop you from losing weight.
Lee, if you gained 8lbs over 17 years that's an average of a 5 calorie per day surplus, if it's all fat.
The question should be were would you be without any dieting?
Would any of you, who have been trying to lose weight in this period, care to post:
1) Start Weight
2) Year
3) Current Weight.
Max 110kg, min 69, (2002-2003) then I took up cycling.I have concluded I am going with your last sentence and I stopped counting etc two years ago.
I have 2 options for successfully losing weight - eat nothing & do nothing (the helly approach) although I also lost 70kg of husband when I did that ; or do without carbohydrates and lift weights.
Doing without carbohydrates and lifting weights requires everything else in your life to go well. So I usually last about 6 weeks before injury, job loss, eviction, child drama, drug side effects - whatever, I'm not making these up - something will happen and I'll be back snarfing chocolate before you can say MyFitnessPal.
I'm currently debating whether I can face it again. I'm really not sure.
Long distance cycling does absolutely bugger all for weight loss, for me.
I was about 85kg last PBP. I'm 89 now. Lowest I've been between is 79kg.
I know if I do it I'll feel better, my clothes will fit better, I'll have better sex a better paid job and be more attractive to boys and faster up hill. (some of those may be lies).
I'm just not sure I can be arsed.
I have set myself (and reported this in the 'weight reports' thread) a short term, small weight loss target. I'm going to see if aiming for something achievable but requiring focus works any better than a nebulous 'by the end of the year' goal.
85.2 kg by 31.01.2015
This would bring me back to my lowest weight last year (and once I break that figure) to a weight lower than at any time since 2010.
Losing the first 2kg is easy.Totally agree Helly! And with this week's figures, I guess I've done all the easy stuff and the hard work starts NOW!
Much of this loss is not fat.
Weight after a second month might be more indicative of genuine fat loss.
Good Luck anyway!
I've managed to put on 1.5kg over Christmas. Not quite as bad as feared, given the amount of chocolate I've eaten, but the wrong side of 60kg. :-\
Well, I have yet to turn the corner after my New Year binge. 200g heavier than last week,
Well, I have yet to turn the corner after my New Year binge. 200g heavier than last week,
200g ? I wouldn't worry, as Peter Kay once said "I can shit a pound".
Well, I have yet to turn the corner after my New Year binge. 200g heavier than last week,
200g ? I wouldn't worry, as Peter Kay once said "I can shit a pound".
I weighed myself before and after a BIG pee as a student and lost 850g...
My extremely optimistic aim is to shed on average 0.5kg/week.
2) Cycling. Nothing I've yet found makes hills easier than a lack of bodyweight.
what about commitment? Motivation without commitment=fail.
4) Stay fit and at a consistent weight to avoid ending up like my Mum who was overweight for most of her life and now in retirement can barely walk, is depressed, has alcohol issues
4) Stay fit and at a consistent weight to avoid ending up like my Mum who was overweight for most of her life and now in retirement can barely walk, is depressed, has alcohol issues
I think this is the main thing about fitness, that it enhances the quality of life rather than perhaps extending it greatly.
To be honest it pisses me off a bit when I see sedentary and morbidly obese people living as long as fit, "healthy" people.
I think I should expect to live at least twice as long as someone like Cyril Smith, but the sick bastard lived to 82. 164 years old doesn't seem unreasonable when you compare our lifestyles.
However I think it's all about those final 20 years and the quality you can expect. Sure, I know some cyclists who die, mid-ride, in their 70s and 80s . That seems unfair until you realise they were cycling in their 70s and 80s, not tied to an oxygen cylinder in their front room.
In 50 years (or maybe today) I can see that the UK will have an enormous issue with people in their 70s and 80s who may not have been able to walk for the past 20 years of their lives, never mind cycle 200km.
The incredible rise of "Moby-Scoots", far from giving people back their mobility, are robbing them of it, from an early age. We have a WIMPY Burger joint in town, it looks like a Mobility Scooter dealership outside. I assume the only exercise these people get is walking from their Scooter to the counter, to order their burger-fries.
Note. I've heard them referred to as "Obescycles".
So, from a life-expectancy point of view, I expect I'll do as well as my Mum, Dad, Grand-Mothers & Grand-Fathers on average (Actuarial Tables say that the best way to increase life-expectancy is to choose your parents carefully) and that all I can really do is to make the intervening years as good as possible, avoiding the mobility-scooter and Oxygen cylinder for as long as possible.
To that end I think I'll focus on a sensible mixed diet (all research seems to point to "eat a varied diet, in moderation"), a fair amount of cycling and a bit of swimming.
I've found it takes a disproportionate amount of exercise to lose the same weight as cutting back on the calories but this is about being lighter, slimmer AND fitter.
Life is a lottery.
On my father's side:
My grandmother died of lung cancer at 69.
My grandfather, also a smoker, lived into his early 80s.
My uncle - don't think he smoked - died of spinal cancer at 61.
My dad died of motor neurone disease at 64.
I have a remaining uncle and aunt, both in their 50s.
Here might be a reason to keep active:
bicyclelab.com/masters-athletes-keep-their-muscle-with-age/
Here might be a reason to keep active:
http://bicyclelab.com/masters-athletes-keep-their-muscle-with-age/
Actuarial Tables say that the best way to increase life-expectancy is to choose your parents carefully
I'd like not to be so fat for my wedding! In fact that's my primary motivator right now.
Tough week as it included my birthday which, being part of a very large family (in more ways than one!), requires much visiting, tea and cake, celebratory meals, etc. I was optimistically hoping to not gain so to register a 0.2kg loss for the week is a big win.
Back to the routine now saving a second weekend of birthday and belated Christmas celebration. Still, get all the excess over early in the year.
I asked the nurse if there was anything I could do to improve the score. Her recommendation was to either lie about my age (the main factor counting against me) or take up base jumping so as to increase the chance of an untimely death before a heart attack got me.
Now we have these new, precise digital scales, we can see day-to-day variations to the nearest 0.1kg.
There are times when things seem very consistent.
Other times, there can be BIG fluctuations.
The thing that amazes me is that you have to do this by dieting alone. Without the chance to get some exercise, my weight would balloon.You'd be surprised.
Against all advice, I weigh most days <snip>Not necessarily, although the researchers do acknowledge some limitations in their work, mostly down to a small sample size.
Did it!!! Today I hit my interim target of 74.0kg, which is the weight I was when I got married, some 35 years ago... I'd like to lose another kg before the summer, but I'm happy at the weight I am for the winter.
I've lost 2kg this week.
Most of it was snot, though.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with daily weighing. If there is truly random noise in a signal, then sampling that signal less frequently will make it harder to filter out the noise.
As the world fell out of my bottom this morning, I would not be surprised if tomorrow's weight shows another loss,
Wot madcow sed.
I have stopped daily weighing since my weight has been squeezing upwards after being 'stuck' on 61.7kg five times last week.
Went for Big Social Meal last night and ate more than I should, without enjoying it much.
Will weigh myself tonight and expect a modest gain on last week but who knows?
:smug: 85.0 this morning. Target updated to 'under thirteen stone' by the end of March. Again, short term focus. I do have an intermediate 'target' as well in that we're doing a weight loss club at work and the end of that is the middle of March. A different set of peers to be accountable to!I have set myself (and reported this in the 'weight reports' thread) a short term, small weight loss target. I'm going to see if aiming for something achievable but requiring focus works any better than a nebulous 'by the end of the year' goal.
85.2 kg by 31.01.2015
This would bring me back to my lowest weight last year (and once I break that figure) to a weight lower than at any time since 2010.Losing the first 2kg is easy.Totally agree Helly! And with this week's figures, I guess I've done all the easy stuff and the hard work starts NOW!
Much of this loss is not fat.
Weight after a second month might be more indicative of genuine fat loss.
Good Luck anyway!
But it's a good start.
Another slight gain, continuing my pattern of two steps forward one step back. Still, it's progress of a sort.Better than mine of two steps back for each one forward.
I really need to rejoin this thread. Injury has done nothing for my fitness or my waist line :facepalm:Just be patient the winter will soon be over and its more important to be fit and slim in the Summer.Do some pilates or yoga and do some HIIT workouts on the turbo.Don't comfort eat or drink :hand:
Trouble is, I'm not prepared to risk it all on ice to get the miles in right now ....
Trouble is, I'm not prepared to risk it all on ice to get the miles in right now ....
Is it wrong not to weight yourself on what you know will be the fattest week of the month? :-X :facepalm:
Is it wrong not to weight yourself on what you know will be the fattest week of the month? :-X :facepalm:
Is it your fattest or your heaviest?
Either way, variations are probably 'noise' in the grand scheme of things.
If a bowl of salty soup gains me a kilo in weight and I know I am no fatter than the previous week, then the weight at the end of the month/year whatever will be no greater.
The important thing is not to get dispirited by a non-fat gain, think 'Stuff this' and binge eat, converting a trivial water gain into a significant fat gain.
I did not weigh myself much in 2012 and only filled out the weight reports for that year in retrospect quite recently.
It was the year I lost most of my excess weight.
Is it wrong not to weight yourself on what you know will be the fattest week of the month? :-X :facepalm:
Is it your fattest or your heaviest?
Either way, variations are probably 'noise' in the grand scheme of things.
If a bowl of salty soup gains me a kilo in weight and I know I am no fatter than the previous week, then the weight at the end of the month/year whatever will be no greater.
The important thing is not to get dispirited by a non-fat gain, think 'Stuff this' and binge eat, converting a trivial water gain into a significant fat gain.
I did not weigh myself much in 2012 and only filled out the weight reports for that year in retrospect quite recently.
It was the year I lost most of my excess weight.
I dunno whether I am fatter or heavier, or both, but for around 5 days each month I am a full 2kg heavier than normal!
People are less active generally so the calories required to get by have reduced.
Well, 6ft2! When I was 14st I wasn't happy - all of my weight goes on my chest and belly so it was moob and beer belly city. I just didn't feel comfortable in my own skin, hence why I wanted to lose some weight and get fitter. That was all pre-audaxing.
I'd say I've been happy with my body shape since being around the 12st mark and am quite happy where I am now at 11st. But you are absolutely right - I do not want to lose any more weight. My goal is go remain steady at where I'm at.
14 stone is not huge for a man who is 6'3".
Your day certainly sounds sedentary and you've done well to slim down as much as you have.
Any lighter(than your current 11 stone) would probably not be healthy.
Well, 6ft2! When I was 14st I wasn't happy - all of my weight goes on my chest and belly so it was moob and beer belly city. I just didn't feel comfortable in my own skin, hence why I wanted to lose some weight and get fitter. That was all pre-audaxing.
I'd say I've been happy with my body shape since being around the 12st mark and am quite happy where I am now at 11st. But you are absolutely right - I do not want to lose any more weight. My goal is go remain steady at where I'm at.
Well back on a weight loss scheme again….must be the 482th time I have tried to lose weight! This one must work as at 125.5kg, I am almost twice my ideal weight. Also, with a BMI of 45.5, hypertension and type two diabetes, I don’t see my body lasting much longer without even more major issues than these….especially as heart and stroke problems run in my family.
So, I have set myself a target of losing 10kg in 10 weeks: tough but achievable. Why such a target? Well I would like to do the following: https://www.khhospice.org.uk/event/specialized-cycling-challenge-2015
For my local hospice. I haven’t done a 60 mile plus ride for over 30 years, so that’s my target. After that… perhaps 10kg in the following 20 weeks, so with a bit of luck, I will be around 100kg by the end of the year.
What if I fail to achieve my first target? Well, given that I cannot go on at this weight much longer, I will consider having a gastric band fitted. I have looked into these and DO NOT want one! They sound terrible but do seem to work. Unlike some people, I don’t see them as an easy option; in fact quite the opposite given the operation and general restriction on your life thereafter.
Right….back to the salad! :-\
I am using a fitness app to record what I eat. I realise it maybe inaccurate but its useful as a broad indication.
I am really struggling to keep out pastries, chocolates and croissants.
Its amazing how good they taste and how calorie laden they are. Incidentally my weight goes up and down +/- 3 kg in a day - is that usual?
I am using a fitness app to record what I eat. I realise it maybe inaccurate but its useful as a broad indication.
I am really struggling to keep out pastries, chocolates and croissants.
Its amazing how good they taste and how calorie laden they are. Incidentally my weight goes up and down +/- 3 kg in a day - is that usual?
It can be. My brother (also Sam) does the same. I don't know what he weighs but it's probably around/below 70kg.
John, you're in danger of being an inspiration - or at least justification for thinness to Mrs S. I'm 6ft 1in, which due to age I round down to 185cm rather than up to 186. When I left Uni I weighed about 10st 10lbs and when I was running quickish 800s and 5000s in my mid 20s I was 11st 3lbs - that allowed for a lot fast running and a couple of sessions in the gym each week. It also sets my expectations now, so I find being close to 14st is far too much and hence 12st becomes a sensible first target (I really hated it when I reached 15st 7lbs after injury and inactivity).
What is quite alarming is that the sort of weight targets we have are now viewed as so low, as the general population has grown. I'm having increasing sympathy with Chris S and fboab and their diet, plus the background to the diet, when you see the impact of the very sweet and carb loaded snack foods that proliferate in our shops. My youngest has a real problem with seeking out sugar (perhaps because we hide it;)) and it is clear that it has addictive properties in terms of impact on eating habits.
Mike
Probably losing fat slowly.
Lighter than last week.
Probably losing fat slowly.
Lighter than last week.
Up 2kg since Wednesday!
I know I finished the Christmas pudding last night and have been snacking on salty nuts but...
I'm having a "vo2 metabolic assessment" on Saturday. This will include LT, VO2max (that will hurt) and fat burning efficiency. It will be interesting to see how the last one goes. I'm hoping my legs stop bring from Tuesday's squats in time. I'll not train or train very lightly tomorrow.
www.truezone.co.uk
I had it on Saturday. Vo2max 51 (3.9l/min divided by 76.2kg body weight). LT 240W. Max fat burning was about 35%. Excellent vo2max for my age group; good lactate tolerance; could be better at fat burning. So I need to do more long steady miles and avoid sugary foods (which I already tend to do).
www.truezone.co.uk
I had it on Saturday. Vo2max 51 (3.9l/min divided by 76.2kg body weight). LT 240W. Max fat burning was about 35%. Excellent vo2max for my age group; good lactate tolerance; could be better at fat burning. So I need to do more long steady miles and avoid sugary foods (which I already tend to do).
www.truezone.co.uk
I had it on Saturday. Vo2max 51 (3.9l/min divided by 76.2kg body weight). LT 240W. Max fat burning was about 35%. Excellent vo2max for my age group; good lactate tolerance; could be better at fat burning. So I need to do more long steady miles and avoid sugary foods (which I already tend to do).
Is that at Vo2Max, or over a range of workloads? Did they quote an RQ in the results?
It kind of reflects how I remember your riding style - in the past, you tended to ride hard and fast, but then needed food, or you'd bonk badly, is that fair to say? That fat burn figure would be consistent with that - glycogen does wonders for a turn of speed - for a while...
Probably losing fat slowly.
Lighter than last week.
Up 2kg since Wednesday!
I know I finished the Christmas pudding last night and have been snacking on salty nuts but...
It indicated 'Lo' when I weighed myself last night. I thought that was an error message as I was wobbly, but reading the User Manual suggests I should change the flattery. I am unimpressed if this is needed just two months after first use.
It indicated 'Lo' when I weighed myself last night. I thought that was an error message as I was wobbly, but reading the User Manual suggests I should change the flattery. I am unimpressed if this is needed just two months after first use.
Our digital scales apparently go through batteries at a rate of knots too. Except they don't. Take the batteries out and put them back in again. You may well find that the scales will run for another 2 months. I can repeat this 5 or 6 times until I have to actually change the batteries.
Mr British Average weighed 65kg in medical textbooks of the '60s and 70kg in the textbooks around 1980.
Mr British Average weighed 65kg in medical textbooks of the '60s and 70kg in the textbooks around 1980.
That's interesting. I've often wondered about whether or not we risk overloading passenger lifts these days. When determining the maximum number of people a lift will hold the powers that be seem to use a weight of 75kg per person to determine the lift capacity. I don't think it's changed in a long time. When Mr Average weighed 65kg, using 75kg for loading purposes seemed reasonable. These days though, I wonder if it's a little low. On occasion, I've looked at the size of some of my prospective fellow lift passengers and have then opted to use the stairs instead. On the other hand, I look at the floor space of some of these lifts and come to the conclusion that you'll never physically fit everyone in to reach the passenger number capacity.
Mr British Average weighed 65kg in medical textbooks of the '60s and 70kg in the textbooks around 1980.
That's interesting. I've often wondered about whether or not we risk overloading passenger lifts these days. When determining the maximum number of people a lift will hold the powers that be seem to use a weight of 75kg per person to determine the lift capacity. I don't think it's changed in a long time. When Mr Average weighed 65kg, using 75kg for loading purposes seemed reasonable. These days though, I wonder if it's a little low. On occasion, I've looked at the size of some of my prospective fellow lift passengers and have then opted to use the stairs instead. On the other hand, I look at the floor space of some of these lifts and come to the conclusion that you'll never physically fit everyone in to reach the passenger number capacity.
Suspect you can cram twenty 65kg men into less space than thirteen 100kg people...
Mr British Average weighed 65kg in medical textbooks of the '60s and 70kg in the textbooks around 1980.
That's interesting. I've often wondered about whether or not we risk overloading passenger lifts these days. When determining the maximum number of people a lift will hold the powers that be seem to use a weight of 75kg per person to determine the lift capacity. I don't think it's changed in a long time. When Mr Average weighed 65kg, using 75kg for loading purposes seemed reasonable. These days though, I wonder if it's a little low. On occasion, I've looked at the size of some of my prospective fellow lift passengers and have then opted to use the stairs instead. On the other hand, I look at the floor space of some of these lifts and come to the conclusion that you'll never physically fit everyone in to reach the passenger number capacity.
Suspect you can cram twenty 65kg men into less space than thirteen 100kg people...
Assuming that the density of fat is lower than the rest of the body that would hold true, even if you metled them down (so to speak)
Help!!!
So I'm trying to get back into long distance stuff but I'm very out of practice. I have been riding regularly and often, and I do train before breakfast so it's not like I'm full of carbs every time I ride.
But I have done 200ks the last 2 weekends and kept getting emergency sugar needs! Will this go away again the more I do of them, I can't remember what endurance stuff feels like any more.
I do use myfitnesspal- this weekend I ate loads. Did a 200k on Sat, ate 3200 cals, then did an 80 mile sportive on Sun, ate 2,500 cals. Today I'm starving. I did 90 mins this morning before breakfast, I'd normally eat 1800 on days where I only do one session of 90 mins, but this has gone to pot today, I'll be at least 500 over that I think I'm so hungry.
I do want to get back to these long rides, but I don't want to get fat. Today I had porridge for breakfast with protein powder, banana and a few nuts, I've had a broad bean and light feta salad for lunch, plus an apple, grapefruit, half a beetroot flapjack thing, a small protein bar snack thing, and some fruit/nuts mix thing and am still really hungry. Help!!! How can I control my jaws that don't want to stop?
Probably losing fat slowly.
Lighter than last week.
Up 2kg since Wednesday!
I know I finished the Christmas pudding last night and have been snacking on salty nuts but...
I see my weight also jumped up towards the end of February last year.
190 is very high for intervals. Are you doing HIIT? In last night's spinning class I only got to 184 and that was tough going.I can get to 200. It's just a number.
190 is very high for intervals. Are you doing HIIT? In last night's spinning class I only got to 184 and that was tough going.I can get to 200. It's just a number.
If you're burying yourself once or twice a week it doesn't matter what the number is, it's how it compare to your 'usual' that counts. There's little point in doing HIIT if you're not going for it as hard as possible.
Long rides are about 135-145 and walking is at 110-120 for me.
I know what I really should do is start eating breakfast, but I really can't be bothered to eat before midday most days. I didn't bother with breakfast before the 200 and it didn't seem to cause me a problem.There's as much evidence that eating breakfast is 'good' as there is that it's 'bad'.
I'm trying to lose 3st in 3 weeks without exercising.
Up, up, up and away!
77.0kg. Bloody chili con carne with bacon I made last night, too damn tasty.
Brave enough to get back on the scales after a few weeks off and surprised to find no weight gain.
So what did you weigh before the sub nine hour 200?
63.2 ?
Two litres would be about right.
Another slight gain this week - cold followed by holiday and +food/-exercise are responsible. Need to reverse this week.
Positively, got two miles in on the bike on Saturday - first time since I fell off 7 weeks ago iirc.
You're doing fine; don't make yourself ill!
My body fat scales were consistent with bf% measured at a sports lab using skin folds. Then they died. The new ones measure way higher and seem really insensitive to visible changes in fat. They measure at hands and feet unlike the first set.
The zonal thing they do claims I have 27% fat in my upper body. They are claiming 22% overall. I am measuring 6mm at the supra iliac point and this equates to around 14%. Maybe I have a lot of visceral fat. But my waist is not large. So that suggests not.
I would like to try a DEXA scan to know for sure.
I'll also be asking them if they know where I can get a proper body composition analysis.
My body fat scales were consistent with bf% measured at a sports lab using skin folds. Then they died. The new ones measure way higher and seem really insensitive to visible changes in fat. They measure at hands and feet unlike the first set.
The zonal thing they do claims I have 27% fat in my upper body. They are claiming 22% overall. I am measuring 6mm at the supra iliac point and this equates to around 14%. Maybe I have a lot of visceral fat. But my waist is not large. So that suggests not.
I would like to try a DEXA scan to know for sure.
Body fat scales are close to useless and 27% fat for any part of you must be untrue. A set of skinfold calipers and tape measure will tell you which way fat is moving. It is eventually lost fairly evenly so you can measure hips, neck, waist (many confounders here!) and thighs.
The latest trendy diet/fat story is neck measurement.
Well I am fed up. :-[
85kg for weeks on end. Nothing I do seems to make a difference not even a 100km ride.
I've lost my first stone, woohoo! It's taken 3 weeks, not 1 week as I'd hoped - but that was a daft target.
Velosam what have you currently been doing? Are you counting everything? Or doing any other specific 'diet' or anything?
FWIW, I need to average 100k every single day to keep my weight down! Plus run. And do gym stuff.
What steps are you taking to not lose lean tissue?
+0.3 this week, but happy to be cycling and running again.
Now below 60kg again.
Will try to stabilise at 57-8kg.
I hope.
Now below 60kg again.
Will try to stabilise at 57-8kg.
I hope.
bugger :( after hitting 83.5 on Friday managed to get it UP to 84 on Monday. I have no self control on weekends and should really stay away from sweet dumplings. Got to lose that 0.5 somehow
bugger :( after hitting 83.5 on Friday managed to get it UP to 84 on Monday. I have no self control on weekends and should really stay away from sweet dumplings. Got to lose that 0.5 somehow
Train yourself to weigh once a week only - Sat AM after your morning ablutions for instance. Daily fluctuations happen, well, daily. It's the trend you're looking for.
I eat cheese and biscuits on a Friday and Saturday evening, with wine, and this weekend I had potatoes with the roast (Jerseys, can't resist them totally) and yesterday had a risotto. But today and tomorrow (work days) I'll have fruit and yogurt for breakfast, a mixed coffee & mocha for lunch, and a non-carb low fat meal for tea. The rest of the week is "sensible" eating (apart from Friday and Saturday that is!). Works for me, YMMV. I'd recommend you try looking here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02ddsd9 for some basic info. there's no one-size-fits-all solution of course but I found it helped focus me on what might be (and has so far proven to be) the best course to follow for me.
I was a bit heavier after the Brevet Cymru - I believe that if I have pushed myself, as I did on the BC, doing intervals on some of the hills, and pushing for random periods on the flats, just to get some harder training, my body during the recovery stage retains more water as part of the repair process...
More muscle and less fat. One reason why obsessing too much about weight can be a distraction.
I'm still heavier than I was a year ago but I have less fat and more muscle. It's arguably healthier.
I might not weigh myself for a while.
I've had a month of being not quite well and intermittent nausea/poor appetite.
I'm feeling better now but feel I need to eat a little more to get my strength up.
My cankles did go down but are growing now and can hold much water weight.
I'll be happy if my hips stay at their current size.
Wahooo!! :thumbsup: Fist time the long suffering bathroom scales have started with an 8 for prob....20 years... This is slightly cheating and it was post ride. But then all my weigh ins are post ride anyway, so maybe not. Nice big bottle of French "Maltese Tripple" beer for me tonight as my reward. Been staring at for months, milk is just not the same. Prob go up 2 kg next week, as in working out there, on my own..but I am taking Blodwyn :)
Tried one of the 4-point caliper methods. Suggests 12.2% body fat.
Tried one of the 4-point caliper methods. Suggests 12.2% body fat.
did I pinch you this time? After last time i didn't think you would be coming back for MOAR :P
Last night: 78.0kg
This morning: 76.5kg
This evening: 75.0kg
That’saudaxnumberwang!
Last night: 78.0kg
This morning: 76.5kg
This evening: 75.0kg
That’saudaxnumberwang!
So what did you eat and do today?
Last night: 78.0kg
This morning: 76.5kg
This evening: 75.0kg
That’saudaxnumberwang!
So what did you eat and do today?
It doesn't matter. Which, I think is Simon's point. He's doing things that create a lot of metabolic noise. Like him, my weight is all over the place this week - +/- 2Kg on a whim. That's the fun of a weekend 600km audax.
Daily weighing is nuts. All you see is noise. For trends, weigh monthly. Or quarterly.
Not talking about it this week - up 3lbs since Monday morning! Positively, it can't stick in that short time...
Not talking about it this week - up 3lbs since Monday morning! Positively, it can't stick in that short time...
Last night: 78.0kg
This morning: 76.5kg
This evening: 75.0kg
That’saudaxnumberwang!
Not talking about it this week - up 3lbs since Monday morning! Positively, it can't stick in that short time...
Is that post-Audax fluid retention or just bad luck?
It won't stick and is 'noise' anyway.
That all sounds good news to me Mike.
Despite 2,000+ mile months on the bike, plus I'm also running, and doing gym stuff, and there is a lot of 'quality' stuff in there as it's TT season, I'm still fighting a huge battle with keeping my weight down. I'm doing it, and fluctuating within a kg- I did see my lowest weight again this morning (I'm 8 st 10) but it does involve me being hungry literally the entire time. I feel like I can't stop eating/wanting to eat, and am getting totally pre-occupied with food, so I just don't think my body is wanting to stay here.
I'm faster here, definitely running, and also TTing, so not sure how to deal with this really. I want to stay this weight, but not sure I can handle the constant battle. I have forgotten how amazing pizza/pasta/bread are, I just want to eat them but won't. Not easy, this.
Got a 10k race tonight, but then will be taking it fairly easy tomorrow before a 600k this weekend (I've only ever done one, so this isn't a usual ride for me!) and will have to accept a day of 'overeating'. I might even have my first rest day of the year (tho I'm sure I'll crack!)
Despite 2,000+ mile months on the bike, plus I'm also running, and doing gym stuff, and there is a lot of 'quality' stuff in there as it's TT season, I'm still fighting a huge battle with keeping my weight down.
Bit more off this week, down to 85kgs and, yesterday, went back to 34 inch waist trousers for the first time in a few years. Suit jacket is now noticeably baggy too - noticeable enough to have it pointed out to me by a colleague yesterday.
Just need to keep it up now.
Mike
18 months later, after many ups and downs, I am finally approaching a BMI of 25 at 81kg (12st 11lb) which is the lightest I've been in 20 years.
18 months later, after many ups and downs, I am finally approaching a BMI of 25 at 81kg (12st 11lb) which is the lightest I've been in 20 years.
Well done, how are you keeping it off the weight that is?
Well done Lee. That sounds brilliantly hard - what an accomplishment. ;D
I seem to be gaining weight. Not sure if fat or muscle. 77.2kg this week.
To put it in perspective for myself I looked at 31 packs of butter in the supermarket. That's what I was carrying around with me, 31 packs!!!!. (I keep checking this number because it sounds impossible but it's true).
I lost 4.5 stone last year. I've put back about 8 pounds, but I'm still very pleased with life. The scariest stat for me is that my recently 4 year old son (who is tall and solid, but not fat) only weighs 3.5 stone.
Carbs are evil, and sugar is the hidden killer.
3 stones lighter than I was at 18.
The discovery of a lot of beer and 2 a.m. curries isn't offset by a 3 mile commute by bike.
Reversed the trend at 21.
Now I'm 3 stone heavier than I was at 27, which incidentally is half my present age.
Held steady for about four years.
One thing has changed when cycling though. I now find that I can do up to 30 miles in one session without eating anything at all.
Last time I weighed myself I was pushing 78kg. I know some of you would be very happy with that number, but for my build, that's not a good weight, especially since the excess is mostly round my waist. What's most concerning is that the trend is continuing upwards - unless I do something to change it soon, it won't be long at all before I break 80kg...
I'm sure part of the cause is stress - 2014 was a very trying year, and 2015 has been hard going so far too. And what do we do when we're suffering from stress? We drink too much. And eat too much as well. And on top of that I've not been doing nearly so much exercise (cycling and running) as I was in 2013.
It's also affecting my health - I used to suffer from sleep apnea and acid reflux, both of which vanished when I lost weight, but have now returned.
The causes of stress won't go away any time soon, but I guess I need to learn how to deal with them better.
An elegant demonstration of when BMI just Does Not Work.
Morat would have a BMI of 25 at a smidgen under 15 stone, which is far too light.
Post holiday blues today.
After only 6 days away (where I think I was consuming around 4k cals a day and working on my tan) - up to around 82/83 Kg. At worst a 5kg increase over when I left, where I was only 2kg shy of my target.
sigh all to do again :-[
Post holiday blues today.
After only 6 days away (where I think I was consuming around 4k cals a day and working on my tan) - up to around 82/83 Kg. At worst a 5kg increase over when I left, where I was only 2kg shy of my target.
sigh all to do again :-[
Sam, that's just not a credible actual weight gain in the period of time.
Agreed.Post holiday blues today.
After only 6 days away (where I think I was consuming around 4k cals a day and working on my tan) - up to around 82/83 Kg. At worst a 5kg increase over when I left, where I was only 2kg shy of my target.
sigh all to do again :-[
Sam, that's just not a credible actual weight gain in the period of time.
Waist measurement, very roughly, up by 0.5 inches
Secondly, you're assuming your body can assimilate all of those calories and use them.
I dont know about the 2k calories, it was quite enjoyable, but then I knew it would end.Hints to rapid weight loss: Take all your clothing off, remove foot that joking partner have placed on scales and use the toilet before :)
Here's hoping to some rapid weight drop by next week's weigh in. :)
It WILL happen so long as you are 'sensible'!
Most of the Christmas binge bulge goes around a fortnight into the New Year, as I posted around 7 months ago...
It seems I have not lost any weight this year. :(
I am no fatter and not fat.
I might have to content myself with that.
It seems I have not lost any weight this year. :(
I am no fatter and not fat.
I might have to content myself with that.
Is your current weight a problem to you?
If not, no worries! :)
Off on holiday on Saturday. 9 days in Austria. Normally I will try eat a country, but this time I will try eat everything, but in moderation. In Europe, it's always the hotel buffet breakfasts that get me.
My weight has fluctuated horribly since LEL2013 - got as high as 80 when I was working all hours on my (70+ pages) promotion application. Currently, it's back at 74.5. I remember how good riding up hills feels under 70kg. Had to give up beer. Not drinking again until I'm under 70kg. It's been a month and 2 days (according to untappd - I'm not counting). Two big helps were a nice new bit of cycling kit (Stache 9 29+), and entering a few exciting/scary events.
Heritage railways usually have some ½ cwt weights from olde style scales.
Severn Valley Railway is such a venue. So is The Battlefield Line at Shackerstone. There are many more.
On a daytrip with bathroom scales in Carradice, calibrate the bathroom scales with proper ½ cwt weights.
Or, your house might be on a ley line,,, ;)
Heritage railways usually have some ½ cwt weights from olde style scales.
Severn Valley Railway is such a venue. So is The Battlefield Line at Shackerstone. There are many more.
On a daytrip with bathroom scales in Carradice, calibrate the bathroom scales with proper ½ cwt weights.
Or, your house might be on a ley line,,, ;)
good idea. I weighed myself on 3 different scales and got readings of -3kg (a good thing) but then +1.5kg (not so good) on the same day with the same clothes and no intakes or outtakes!
Here we go again!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33905745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33905745)
Experts say the most effective diet is one people can stick to.No shit, sherlock.
showed that after six days on each diet, those reducing fat intake lost an average 463g of body fat - 80% more than those cutting down on carbs, whose average loss was 245g.
May just be a flash in the pan -
May just be a flash in the pan -
I'm sorry, but that made me spit tea over the monitor.
As you were ..............
Sometimes 'flash in the pan' does not allude to panning gold diggers...
Here we go again!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33905745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33905745)
19 obese people. Fantastic sample size. Any randomisation? Any adjustments for, oo, gender, age, how long you've been obese, body composition?
Quoteshowed that after six days on each diet, those reducing fat intake lost an average 463g of body fat - 80% more than those cutting down on carbs, whose average loss was 245g.
Dunno about you folks, but I can lose 245g with a hefty visit to the loo. And six days??? Us low-carb defenders will be telling you that isn't long enough for adaptation.
If all I needed to lose was 463g I wouldn't be posting in this thread.
:facepalm:
Recruiting and retaining two groups of a hundred people for a hundred days, keeping to any strict regimen and having A Life, must be well-nigh impossible.
These would be the very least to get anything minimally meaningful IMO so we are left with much second-rate research matter.
As I live near the real world, I sometimes eat high carbohydrate foods and sometimes eat high-fat foods. Sometimes I eat CAEK, which is high in sugar, fat and starch.
I'll just stick to shrinking my portion sizes and extending my gaps between meals.
The doctors' scales are not used for trading commodities, so might not be tested for accuracy.
While a 5% error is undesirable, it doesn't make a huge difference for one-off judgements of risk factors.
Since I attended a medieval ‘living museum’, <snip>Where? Sort of thing I'm into (particularly the cooking)
Still on the eggs and black pudding for breakfast.Perfectly reasonable medieval fare.
Since I attended a medieval ‘living museum’, <snip>Where? Sort of thing I'm into (particularly the cooking)QuoteStill on the eggs and black pudding for breakfast.Perfectly reasonable medieval fare.
I am beginning to think a '60's school dinner' diet and lifestyle might be an effective if dull way to lose weight.
Little, if any eating between meals.
Consider what would have been a treat in the '60s; have it as an occasional treat but keep it special by reserving for special occasions.
'You can't have your pudding until you have eaten your greens!'
I am beginning to think a '60's school dinner' diet and lifestyle might be an effective if dull way to lose weight.
I am beginning to think a '60's school dinner' diet and lifestyle might be an effective if dull way to lose weight.
Indeed!
Sliced roast beef with gravy (protein)
Boiled potatoes (carbs)
Boiled cabbage (carbs, roughage and minerals)
Then for afters:
Jam sponge cake and custard (carbs, fat, some protein)
Yum! ;D
Actually I love cabbage so I might just give it a go.
It might be going into your bigger, better, more metabolically active muscles.
Maybe.
It might be hiding in visceral fat, unfortunately.
Beware of vanity sizing! 32" trousers from 2015 are much bigger than those from 1995!
Sorry to be such a repetitive old woman!
Beware of vanity sizing! 32" trousers from 2015 are much bigger than those from 1995!Quite. I recently had cause to be measured properly, with a tape measure, by someone who knows about such things (in particular not by me being optimistic) and my true waist measurement is 36". A couple of weeks later I saw a pair of shorts in my wardrobe which I've not worn for a year or two. "I wonder how they fit these days?" To be fair they are 'snug' and I wouldn't be happy wearing them anywhere important, but they would do fine for the garden or beach. M&S. Size 32". Silly.
NO PUDDING TILL YOU'VE FINISHED YOUR GREENS!
NO PUDDING TILL YOU'VE FINISHED YOUR GREENS!
If my memory of school dinners is anything to go by, "No pudding till you've finished your greys" would be more appropriate.
My hips are down another centimetre.
I presume I'm getting less fat.
Yes LEE, it's a slog, yes, it't worthwhile.
My 15kg taken around four years to shift, in fits and starts but they are shifting.
My hips are down another centimetre.
I presume I'm getting less fat.
Yes LEE, it's a slog, yes, it't worthwhile.
My 15kg taken around four years to shift, in fits and starts but they are shifting.
I went on the 'High fibre' diet.
The weight come off in 'shits and farts'.
I'm anticipating an increase tomorrow. Muscle or fat?
I'm anticipating an increase tomorrow. Muscle or fat?
In my case, snot ::-).
I have been very impressed by your progress, crowriver. Well done!
Rapid progress sometimes drops off but slow progress is still progress so don't get disheartened if you 'plateau'...
I do know in the rare moments I have felt fit, healthy and generally 'good,' I have not had to worry about my weight - it took care of itself.
* In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.
* In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.
http://sigmanutrition.com/episode89/
Thermodynamics is a rough tool for a very complicated biological system
Some good links at bottom to
simonp do you think you'll have time for a graphical update this week?
Thank you, much appreciated.
Thank you, much appreciated.
It's not that rapid, but it has been gratifyingly consistent.
Moar cheese less caik ftw.
Thank you, much appreciated.
You certainly seem to be making rapid, downward progress; well done!
Looks like you're putting a LOT of effort into lightening the tandem!
Your progress certainly looks excellent on the graph.
I’ve gained 10kg in the last 4 years. ;D
Fboab has been pretty focussed since July. Unlike me ::-). She easily outclimbs me now, when we're on solos.Exhibit A:
The graphs make their return.
The graphs make their return.
Please Sir,
if crowriver carries on losing weight so successfully as he has done recently (and well done, I am most favourably impressed!) his curve and mine might collide.
We are both on pink circles.
The graphs make their return.
Please Sir,
if crowriver carries on losing weight so successfully as he has done recently (and well done, I am most favourably impressed!) his curve and mine might collide.
We are both on pink circles.
I think the latest version of pngcairo or gnuplot has changed the point styles. If you look closely you'll notice you are circles and crowriver has hexagons. They do look very similar.
I can probably experiment with different points styles.
I think the latest version of pngcairo or gnuplot has changed the point styles. If you look closely you'll notice you are circles and crowriver has hexagons. They do look very similar.The graphs make their return.We are both on pink circles.
I can probably experiment with different points styles.
The graphs make their return.
Please Sir,
if crowriver carries on losing weight so successfully as he has done recently (and well done, I am most favourably impressed!) his curve and mine might collide.
We are both on pink circles.
Sigh.
It looks as if I will finish 2015 heavier than I started it, despite getting down to my lowest weight in about five years at one point.
Oh well, another year, another table...
Hello my names is Lou and I need to lose weight - again.I used to weigh in on a Monday (fitted the rest of life rather better). I just posted on the following Wednesday and no-one seemed to mind.
I'm aiming for 21lbs although people keep telling me that not realistic - believe me I know what the bathroom scales say.
Can I join your thread please?
I weigh in on a Saturday.
Lindor truffles are great for domestic 'Easter egg' hunts.
Hide them in pairs in various drawers and crannies.
David is usually still unearthing them at the Summer Solstice...
No weight to declare today.
GN: I can now wear M&S size 14 trousers. I wore size 14 from M&S when I was 18.
BN: In 1976 a size 14 fitted a 26" waist and 38" hip.
In 2013 size 14 fits a 31" waist and 41" hip.
Vanity sizing FFS! That must represent 6kg fat!
They also demonstrate how pointless our struggles are. Not one of us has lost and kept off any weight of significance.
I did not enter my weight into the tables for 2012, which I started at 74kg (though I did state on posts that was my weight at the time).
I started 2013 at 66kg and am approximately 63kg now.
That is significant for me.
Seem to have dropped a kilo over the past fortnight.
Used a tape measure for the first time in aeons last night.
40-32-44
The XL yacf T-shirt that's on its way may not be big enough but I really aren't a giant!
More work needed!
I'm looking back on 2012. (David always says I'm living in the past.)
My hips and waist are down 4 inches and I'm 12kg less than January 2012.
Slow progress is NOT no progress!
Since dieting is basically a failed way to lose weight over the long term I'd be interested in seeing if our numbers back that up.Start Weight: 74kg (11st 9lb) January 2012
This thread has been running since 2008.Would any of you, who have been trying to lose weight in this period, care to post:
1) Start Weight
2) Year
3) Current Weight.
Good luck with your own plans everyone, I know how tough (impossible?) it can be.
Just be reminded that your brain is doing every single thing it can to stop you from losing weight.
It is now at the serious stage in which I have to consider one stark fact: a 61-year-old morbidly obese bloke is doing his chances of reaching 70 no good at all.
I think I am fatter than I have ever been, and I have always been a fat git, right from primary school. I have had a few spells in the intervening half-century when I have not been overweight, but they have been few and far between, most notably when I lost 3 stone in 3 weeks when I contracted mumps as a 29-year-old. When I returned to teaching after those 3 weeks of absence the kids gave me a new epithet: "Skinny".
It is now at the serious stage in which I have to consider one stark fact: a 61-year-old morbidly obese bloke is doing his chances of reaching 70 no good at all.
Whilst having the gastric band fitted does help, it still takes will power and the effort to stay away from snacks and stuff you know you shouldn't eat....like peanut butter and mayo....sob.I eat peanut butter and mayo while losing weight.
So I've started the new year with no booze (an easyish calorie win)I wish. Not being a drinker it makes absolutely no difference to me. Mr Smith always loses loads in January by bypassing the wine aisle. To get the same results I have to bypass the whole goddam shop.
I really wish I could just order my evening meal from the kids' menu; both the portion sizes and the dishes on offer seemed much more suited to my desires!
That's a lot for a birthday girl!
Spose it's early days.
Look after yourself and have a good trip!
I can't say I'm that keen on raw carrot and various leaves but I think it's got to be done.When I did Weight Watchers (some long time ago, back in the days of C+) I started to eat far more salads. In the beginning it was just a desperation measure to fill me up at lunchtime, but I now enjoy it and really miss it if I don't have a fair chunk of raw veg at lunchtime.
Now I'm back to weighing myself daily, I'm reminded how much the fluctuation of my weight is down to hydration/water linked to glycogen etc.
I also need to remember that when in a state of ketosis I should use the stalls rather than urinals as I don't want colleagues thinking I have fruity wee all the time.
Hmm... grapefruit and eggs, eh?
That sounds supremely farty to me :thumbsup:
Am on day 4 of a week long 'eat buggerall' diet to try and kickstart my weightless for this year.
Am on day 4 of a week long 'eat buggerall' diet to try and kickstart my weightless for this year.
Joining Tim Peake??? ;) ;D
Am on day 4 of a week long 'eat buggerall' diet to try and kickstart my weightless for this year.
Joining Tim Peake??? ;) ;D
If I joined Tim Peake he would have to adjust to my own gravitational field.
Wow since crimbo I have lost 3kg, so now 96kg.
I have just been to a swimming pool for the first time in about 10 years. I did 18 lengths of what I thought was a 33 metre pool only to find when I got home that it was only 25m. Bah and bugger! Mine was far from being the biggest belly on display, which is some consolation.
I think it's a bit pathetic that a large town like Southend doesn't have an olympic sized pool. This particular example was built in 2010 and replaced the old Warrior Square pool in the town centre, which was 33m.
I might be lighter. :)
I might be lighter. :)
Well done
As predicted my weight loss has now rapidly slowed down. I in,y lost 0.4lb this week. :-(
Thank you. I've weighed in for weight watchers this morning and was worried. I'd had a sneaky peek at the scales yesterday morning and to my horror I seemed to have gained 1.2lbs. I wasn't going to weigh in but gritted my teeth and got on the scales to find that today I'd had a loss and I'm now -6.5 Lighter than the 1st Jan.I might be lighter. :)
Well done
As predicted my weight loss has now rapidly slowed down. I in,y lost 0.4lb this week. :-(
You are still 5.6lb lighter than at the start of the year. That's ¼ of the way to your target. Not bad for less than three weeks into the year!
And you've been away.
Don't convert a temporary blip into a long-term failure.
In a fortnight's time, we'll be just over a month into the year.
Your weight at that time will give some idea of you real progress.
You are petite; both calories and fat go much further in little people.
You have to work very hard to make any headway and I appreciate this.
You're doing fine; keep going!
Look at my personal graphs/figures.
They are all over the place in the short term.
At the end of the year, I'm lighter than the start.
That's what counts.
Persistence pays up.
The rest is all noise.
I hope you aren't losing weight too fast thou lou. nearly half a stone in three weeks is a lot on a little body that won't have the reservoirs some larger folk have.
Take care!
Well done. Just over 4 stone in 4 moths is great.
In fact I have already lost 1.4kg heh :thumbsup:Now that is not a bad spot of bowel movement :)
First time on the scales for ages - weight is up at 76kg at the mo'. I had been trying to up my protein intake, and combined with steroids, I'm heavier than I've felt in ages. This, despite having given up alcohol 7 months ago. It appears that no matter how much I cycle, I need to remain careful about how much I eat.
I'd like to be back down to 70kg by the 4th week in April. Will be tough.
Based on your total calories consumed for today, you are likely not eating enough.
For safe weight loss, the National Institutes of Health recommends no less than 1000-1200 calories for women and 1200-1500 calories for men.
Completing your diary with fewer than the minimum calories noted above will not generate a news feed post for that day, or show a five-week weight projection.
Even during weight loss, it's important to meet your body's basic nutrient and energy needs. Over time, not eating enough can lead to nutrient deficiencies, unpleasant side effects & other serious health problems.
I'm back where I was at the beginning of the year. Too many cakes, too little willpower. :(
The human body is a weird and wonderful thing. Having changed nothing in my exercise and diet, the steady 1Kg a week loss since New Year has ceased - at least for this week. Ho hum.And the amount of sleep you're getting?
The human body is a weird and wonderful thing. Having changed nothing in my exercise and diet, the steady 1Kg a week loss since New Year has ceased - at least for this week. Ho hum.And the amount of sleep you're getting?
It's all that cortisol.
5kg lost since the start of the year. :) so (for what it's worth) BMI is now 26
But I'm still now only just below, where I was when I started to lose weight last year, but this year, for the first time, has seen a real change in my attitude to snacking and potion size, so I'm hoping this trend can continue.
You seem to be losing weight faster than almost everyone!
9lb in 6 weeks is a lot!
Sadly 'Lo' on the scales this morning is referring to the battery, not my mass.
Couldn't weigh the cat so had to stand on the scales with him. Fortunately the scales didn't recognise me in this configuration.
Couldn't weigh the cat so had to stand on the scales with him. Fortunately the scales didn't recognise me in this configuration.
Can't a friendly vet help you with this?
O suppose scales for babies might be OK but probably cost a packet and don't stop the cat jumping away.
-1.7kg today. I am pretty sure I know exactly where I lost that weight.
-1.7kg today. I am pretty sure I know exactly where I lost that weight.GWS if it all enhanced the Bazalguette legacy!
-1.7kg today. I am pretty sure I know exactly where I lost that weight.GWS if it all enhanced the Bazalguette legacy!
I'm still at the same point as Saturday's weight watchers weigh in:(
I get the impression that there is a body homeostat which thinks 12 stone is "right" for me and works very hard to stop me going below this... Does anybody else recognise the concept?
I am now down to between 11 stone 13.8 and 12stone0.8. I generally with a diet get down to this stage and then stick. it may be psychological but I get the impression that there is a body homeostat which thinks 12 stone is "right" for me and works very hard to stop me going below this. However this time I WILL win.
Does anybody else recognise the concept?
First time on the scales for ages - weight is up at 76kg at the mo'. I had been trying to up my protein intake, and combined with steroids, I'm heavier than I've felt in ages. This, despite having given up alcohol 7 months ago. It appears that no matter how much I cycle, I need to remain careful about how much I eat.
I'd like to be back down to 70kg by the 4th week in April. Will be tough.
Managed to get down to 74kg over January by cycling 500km+ a week. Had my hernia op, and suspect that I'll drop a load whilst recovering. My belly is currently full of the CO2 they fill you up with to do keyhole. I feel completely full. I suspect there's a weight loss trick there. Put a port in people and let them fill themselves up with CO2 canisters.
I've not even glanced at the scales these past few weeks. I know damn fine I'm piling weight on.
Not sure exactly when I'll summon the resolve to do something about it, but I'll need to take action soon...
I know that feeling. Been having a go at the chocs as well
Getting nowhere fast.
Not gaining, not overweight, immobile.
Losing a bit more would be nice but it might not happen.
Getting nowhere fast.
Not gaining, not overweight, immobile.
Losing a bit more would be nice but it might not happen.
Eat less. :thumbsup:
That sounds serious! Where do you go for that and is it worthwile for a very average bloke
I won't get my FTP/kg up to 4 unless I shift more weight, sadly.
Having watched the Michael Moseley documentary again, about fasting, I'm freshly enthused to give it a go.
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Having watched the Michael Moseley documentary again, about fasting, I'm freshly enthused to give it a go.
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I do wish the BBC would leave educational shows like that up on iPlayer, or let them stay up on youtube, rather than taking them down for copyright infringement. It's educational and for the public good after all.
Like this one? http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/horizon-20122013-3-eat-fast-and-live-longer ;D
I won't get my FTP/kg up to 4 unless I shift more weight, sadly.
Nor me, though if I did it would not only be faith that could move mountains....
Week 7 of Slimming World draws to a close......still on it.
That in itself is nothing short of miraculous. I may even have ridden my bike this week :)
3.6W/kg now (280W, 77.5kg).
Getting closer. I think 300W FTP is not looking such an unrealistic target.
Your 12kg loss is most impressive!
We are going away for a long weekend of Good Food and companionship.We've just had one of those and I was most surprised and gratified to see any drop at all, even if only 300g.
Not a happy bunny, it looks like just under 0.5lb for me this week.Do not fret!
3.6W/kg now (280W, 77.5kg).I don't think I'll reach 300w 1hr FTP. 265 is the best I've done on zwift. However, my recent results give us similar results - 252w / 67kg for 3.76w/kg. I'm hoping this sort of form will make Mille Pennines manageable.
Getting closer. I think 300W FTP is not looking such an unrealistic target.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160410/03cb1d6a93d480d50777fbe717c99737.jpg)3.6W/kg now (280W, 77.5kg).I don't think I'll reach 300w 1hr FTP. 265 is the best I've done on zwift. However, my recent results give us similar results - 252w / 67kg for 3.76w/kg. I'm hoping this sort of form will make Mille Pennines manageable.
Getting closer. I think 300W FTP is not looking such an unrealistic target.
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3.6W/kg now (280W, 77.5kg).I don't think I'll reach 300w 1hr FTP. 265 is the best I've done on zwift. However, my recent results give us similar results - 252w / 67kg for 3.76w/kg. I'm hoping this sort of form will make Mille Pennines manageable.
Getting closer. I think 300W FTP is not looking such an unrealistic target.
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Edit: It's worth noting that when I rode the Pendle 600k with Dr Mekon in 2014, it was he who waited for I most of the time.
Wow - excellent Before/After pics :thumbsup:. You need to lift some weights and eat some steak & butter.
For my part, I've lost 10cm from my waist since New Year.
People call me "skinny" when I have a BMI of 23.7 as of right now. Subjective judgments like that are distorted by comparisons to an overweight, sedentary population.
Wow - excellent Before/After pics :thumbsup:. You need to lift some weights and eat some steak & butter.
For my part, I've lost 10cm from my waist since New Year.
I'm pretty much vegan. I'm highly atopic, and find dairy makes me a bit worse (in the order of magnitude that Powerbreathe makes me a bit better - did you get one? I reckon it's worth about 7% of my Peak Flow).
Being stuck in a wheelchair makes 'waist' level close to my eye level. The general population is very heavy round the middle!
People call me "skinny" when I have a BMI of 23.7 as of right now. Subjective judgments like that are distorted by comparisons to an overweight, sedentary population.Back in 2003 I managed to lose over 5 stone, dropping from 17 to 11 and a bit at my lightest although it stabilised at around 12 stone. My first post on the old C+ forum was about that.
Injured muscles SWELL. Your achy muscles are swollen and contain more water than usual. It willpisspass.
Fret not!
0.9%. I think that means you're dead.
Grr! Had an 'official' weigh in at work on Monday. Did the check for YACF this morning. Four pounds up! ??? :oAnd I was so annoyed I forgot to update the weight tracker thread! Now done for this week and last.
I need to lose some weight. :( I've got a pair of jeans somewhere that I never want to have to wear again - a 38" waist, bought when I finished uni fifteen years ago (too much beer, not enough exercise). Done it before, mostly just by riding my bike lots and got down to 75kg or thereabouts with a 32" waist (I'm 5' 11"). My jeans are getting a bit tight now, after 3 years of relative inactivity - though I haven't weighed myself.
I think we eat pretty healthily so no major changes to diet except for no more sugar in coffee, drink more water, less alcohol and no more late-night snacking. More importantly, more bike riding - at least 2 commutes (40 mile round trip) per week, and one other ride per week.
Excellent weight loss this week has mostly occurred in the bathroom in the last 24 hours.
I don't think this is the kind of weight loss that helps between Llandiloes and Machynlleth.
Just started posted my weight on the tracking thread again.
I win! Woo hoo! :thumbsup:
1 hulver is currently weighing in at
138kg
or
2.24 hellymedics
2.1 DrMekons
1.69 fboabs
1.62 Chris Ss
1.51 Hams
;D
Hulver, why you little ... I just got my head around stones and inches. And now you are introducing a new measuring standard, thanks mate :)
Just started posted my weight on the tracking thread again.I like the idea of alternative weight measurements, a bit like the eponymous 'football pitches' and 'double-decker buses'. 'Mekons' has a good sound to it.
I win! Woo hoo! :thumbsup:
1 hulver is currently weighing in at
138kg
or
2.24 hellymedics
2.1 DrMekons
1.69 fboabs
1.62 Chris Ss
1.51 Hams
;D
I might have lost a trivial amount of weight.
Hulver has lost 3kg in the last fortnight, which is an impressive start. hope you keep going, mate!
I guess this is good in some ways - I don't have to go shopping for new trousers (was down to 3 pairs that would fasten up).
Right, not posted on this bit OTP before.... but anyway:
Usually my weight is in the 94-98kg range (I'm 187cm), and has been stable for about a decade now. OK, aside from the spike to 100-102kg around the time of my youngest's birth (he's 8 ). Managed to break my leg over Easter (don't ask - utterly pathetic story :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[) and had to have it fixed with some external metalwork. Ilizarov frame. Google it - not pretty. :-\ Which means no cycling for some months.... and a near certainty of losing both muscle mass and CVS fitness.
So I thought I'd best lose some lard along with the muscle. Straightforward calorie counting seems to be the thing that suits me best, since it allows me to vary what I eat. Also, the whole "high fat" or"keto" or "paleo" diet still leaves me peckish even after a 1500 kCal meal. So I'm ending up taking most of my food as relatively low calorie-density carbs, with lots of semi-skimmed milk and/or fat free yoghurt for the calcium.
Bit difficult to work out how much I weigh now, given that I have this thing pinned to my leg. But the combo of said thing and I weighed in at 91 kg this morning. My shirts are a bit looser round the shoulders and given that I walk with crutches, shoulders are the one bit of me where I think I won't lose muscle. So i think I have lost at least some lard. So far so good.
Target is 85kg by August, when thing becomes a lamp shade (hopefully...)
You credit me with FAR too much thinking! It's "calories in < calories out", innit. After that it's simply a matter of how to feel the least hunger for a given energy intake. Modelling calorie intake against desired weight was quite helpful to work out what said calorie intake should be, though.Right, not posted on this bit OTP before.... but anyway:
Usually my weight is in the 94-98kg range (I'm 187cm), and has been stable for about a decade now. OK, aside from the spike to 100-102kg around the time of my youngest's birth (he's 8 ). Managed to break my leg over Easter (don't ask - utterly pathetic story :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[) and had to have it fixed with some external metalwork. Ilizarov frame. Google it - not pretty. :-\ Which means no cycling for some months.... and a near certainty of losing both muscle mass and CVS fitness.
So I thought I'd best lose some lard along with the muscle. Straightforward calorie counting seems to be the thing that suits me best, since it allows me to vary what I eat. Also, the whole "high fat" or"keto" or "paleo" diet still leaves me peckish even after a 1500 kCal meal. So I'm ending up taking most of my food as relatively low calorie-density carbs, with lots of semi-skimmed milk and/or fat free yoghurt for the calcium.
Bit difficult to work out how much I weigh now, given that I have this thing pinned to my leg. But the combo of said thing and I weighed in at 91 kg this morning. My shirts are a bit looser round the shoulders and given that I walk with crutches, shoulders are the one bit of me where I think I won't lose muscle. So i think I have lost at least some lard. So far so good.
Target is 85kg by August, when thing becomes a lamp shade (hopefully...)
Fantastic work (not on the metal work, obviously.
Your approach sounds very Barbara Rolls - volumetric diet. Her ex PhD student is a prof in my dept. Her work on Nicola Buckland on automatic processes and her work with Graham Finlayson on satiety might be interesting. Her main tip to me was include low calorie density crunchy foods in your diet, as this tires your jaw and makes you feel fuller.
https://medhealth.leeds.ac.uk/profile/1300/947/professor_marion_hetherington/publications
It's three 200mm rings (4mm stainless) and 8 M8 bolts, so I'm sure I can do a mock-up if I was so inclined. But you're right, it's negligible compared to my belly.
I thought that too, but then saw a fellow patient walking out with his inna plastic bag after they took it off his leg. The issue is, I suspect, that they don't know what's happened to it in the four months or so I'll be wearing it, so they can't safely re-use it.It's three 200mm rings (4mm stainless) and 8 M8 bolts, so I'm sure I can do a mock-up if I was so inclined. But you're right, it's negligible compared to my belly.
I don't think they will let you keep it when they take it off. The price of the components of these ex-fix kit are shockingly expensive!
Good job on the weight loss. It's very impressive to be able to control what you eat when you are laid up resting. (Personally I can't do that- if I sit down too much I start thinking about what I can eat.)
You are in the wars!In the wars? No, about half of Ilizarov patients have at least one infection at some point. And I just went back to work a bit too early - now that I can't give anaesthetics, I then spent more time at a desk. Having the foot dependent just made the leg swell, which I think is where the mischief started.
I'm carrying a load of post-600 and holiday weight. Or at least having felt like I was made of bird bones sub 66kg, at 71 after a big meal at Tebay (Westmoreland farm shop) services I feel flabby (oh my god, it's so awesome. I could eat myself to death there. Surely there's an audax route that takes it in so I can spend 7000kcal there).
In the wars? No, about half of Ilizarov patients have at least one infection at some point. And I just went back to work a bit too early - now that I can't give anaesthetics, I then spent more time at a desk. Having the foot dependent just made the leg swell, which I think is where the mischief started.If you are ok with Iodine can you slather it on the pin sites?
Better again - total of 4 miles walking today and a (very) brief period on a cross trainer. Just to see how I get on, like. Painful at the ankle - foot dorsiflexion really pulls on the pins. But we'll get there. Time on a turbo would actually work really well since the ankle can stay at 90 degrees. Problem is, the frame bashes into, well, the frame (at least it did on the stationary bike at the physio's). So unless i can find an abslutely HUGE flatty pedal, it's a non-starter. Never mind.
Still 91.5kg but we had LOTS of guests over half term - beer and barbecues. Nomnom.
Bet it's not real. It's water and glycogen as your body recovers from a) all the cycling and b) your injuries.
The ultracycling webpage suggests even a week of tapering before an event should lead to a 2kg weight gain.
Log the calories, trust them, and forget the scales for now, IMO.
I don't seem to have lost much weight wise. Girth does seem to have shrunk a bit though.I think most advice these days says that shrinking the girth should be the main goal, so you are doing well.
89.5 kg this morning. First time under 90 in at least a decade. Probably more to do with the empty stomach and fighting off an infection than with actual fat loss, but encouraging nonetheless.
I have decided I am Thin Enough.
I seem to be unable to lose any more weight.
My BMI is 22.5, which is not very low but is OK.
The gap between my wrist bones is concave at the back.
I am still carrying a lot of lard on my hips but there is little in my belly.
I have decided I am Thin Enough.
I seem to be unable to lose any more weight.
My BMI is 22.5, which is not very low but is OK.
The gap between my wrist bones is concave at the back.
I am still carrying a lot of lard on my hips but there is little in my belly.
22.5 is perfect, no? "Ideal body weight" an' all that. Well done.
(Mekon says maintenance is more tricky than loss. I've never had to try. ;D)
IMO BMI is a con, which only works if your height is very close to 1.73m (square root of 3) and most humans aren't built like Flat Stanley.Because no-one has come up with a similarly easy to calculate formula which is any better?
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I still don't really understand why we continue to use BMI for what must be closer to a cubic than a square function.
We don't/can't apply it to kids but continue to use it for adults because most adults' heights are roughly similar and we are too lazy to change our formulæ.
I've found it helps to be busy, though - I can get a bit lethargic and grumpy on fast days if not distracted.
As the almost never ending 600s stretch on I'm down to 60.6 kgs.... I've done nothing dietary wise at all, and I eat whatever and whenever I please - e.g. back home from the Nat 400 and after a meal I had a serves 6 Sainsburys trifle....
The riding loses the weight, is my message.... (if you have the time, I admit...)
As the almost never ending 600s stretch on I'm down to 60.6 kgs.... I've done nothing dietary wise at all, and I eat whatever and whenever I please - e.g. back home from the Nat 400 and after a meal I had a serves 6 Sainsburys trifle....
The riding loses the weight, is my message.... (if you have the time, I admit...)
Hmmm. I always put on weight when the big rides hit over the summer.
This year is far from exceptional.
Cycling never assists in weight loss, for me. In fact, I was thinner before I took it up with such over enthusiasm. The appetite generated always exceeds the calories burned.
After 6 weeks, your post-op fluctuations should have normalised. I can't remember how long it is though lou. You're doing well and have had MUCH bigger fish to fry this year.
I've stopped weighing myself and suspect my weight is steady.
Hope your health get sorted! Remember, weight loss should not be your first health priority!
Oh, FTR, you are not a third less, but a third of the man you were...
I eat less untilMen are simple animals. When I gave up eating carbs I'd order steak or gammon with a green salad in the pub after our regular Tuesday night rides. My riding buddies started off by waving chips under my nose to see if I was serious. After a couple of weeks they said: Huh, guess you mean it - and stopped.
I am hungry
I am in eating company
I can't ride.
I might lose a little more weight eventually.
I might not.
I eat less untilMen are simple animals. When I gave up eating carbs I'd order steak or gammon with a green salad in the pub after our regular Tuesday night rides. My riding buddies started off by waving chips under my nose to see if I was serious. After a couple of weeks they said: Huh, guess you mean it - and stopped.
I am hungry
I am in eating company
I can't ride.
I might lose a little more weight eventually.
I might not.
The chip waving made me angry enough to become determined :)
Yes, it's slipped my mind for a while, apologies. I'll do it later.
Weight going up due to increased exercise. Hopefully it's muscle.
Right, time for drastic action: I joined slimming world last night. Hopefully that will help.http://www.slimmingworld.co.uk/health/contact-us/meet-the-team.aspx
Lost 4.5kg in the last month on a liquid only diet. Drunk lots of huel and protein shakes, various liquidised soups. Succeeded in keeping protein at 30% of calories. Easiest weight loss ever - highly recommend getting your face smashed in by an uber taxi for weight loss.I am an extreme sceptic of huel but understand you have limited options.
I am hoping my gain this week is a temporary blip :( ...
I had an hotel weekend but didn't eat excessively.
@CL - I'm a big fan of the full Garmin system
1. Vivoactive HR for calorie tracking that syncs with Myfitnesspal
2. Garmin Index Scales that sync with Myfitnesspal
3. Myfitnesspal
I've relied purely on the data from the Vivoactive for calorie expenditure. It's worked like a charm for managing things whilst I've been recovering.
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Did you weigh your metalwork, cl? ;)
You might find walking and housework!?! helpful.
I sympathise though; nothing like a sponge & custard to keep you going through a long night...
Did you weigh your metalwork, cl? ;)
You might find walking and housework!?! helpful.
I sympathise though; nothing like a sponge & custard to keep you going through a long night...
No I didn't weigh it - removal was done with entonox and a firm hand* in clinic and I was a little, ahem, disturbed afterwards so said something along the lines of "Feck that for a bag of spanners - bin the fecker". ;D
Walking OK - scar sites get hyperalgesic after around 30 minutes but that seems to be settling now. It's going to have to be calorie restriction. :'(Shame, as I simply love a bit of NHS stodge & custard! :thumbsup:
*Well, two pairs of hands actually - one to brace the leg and the other to hold a pair of molegrips.
When I am serious about losing weight (which I can't pretend to be the case right now, really) I try increasing the time between feeds and keeping my feeds of modest size.I find the opposite is more effective - never going more than 3 hours without something. I try to have a piece of fruit or something between meals. I find it harder if I get too hungry and I also am more likely to suffer from reflux/heartburn etc if I have had a long gap.
This reduces overall energy intake, without appearing too geeky.
Clearly not sustainable in the long run, but the curious thing is that I haven't really felt all that hungry.
PS not eating two helpings of everything helps! I am genuinely concerned about what to eat to maintain weight though. Who'd have thought it.
we have started making LCHF smoothies. The latest one I think may make a good ice cream.
Frozen raspberries, coconut cream, real cream, vanilla essence and celery with ice cubes. Blended in a strong 1000w blender this comes out with a taste very much like raspberry ice cream and with no sign of ice crystals..
we have started making LCHF smoothies. The latest one I think may make a good ice cream.
Frozen raspberries, coconut cream, real cream, vanilla essence and celery with ice cubes. Blended in a strong 1000w blender this comes out with a taste very much like raspberry ice cream and with no sign of ice crystals..
we have started making LCHF smoothies. The latest one I think may make a good ice cream.Celery???? Why on earth would you put that near your mouth???
Frozen raspberries, coconut cream, real cream, vanilla essence and celery with ice cubes. Blended in a strong 1000w blender this comes out with a taste very much like raspberry ice cream and with no sign of ice crystals..
we have started making LCHF smoothies. The latest one I think may make a good ice cream.Celery???? Why on earth would you put that near your mouth???
Frozen raspberries, coconut cream, real cream, vanilla essence and celery with ice cubes. Blended in a strong 1000w blender this comes out with a taste very much like raspberry ice cream and with no sign of ice crystals..
Goal has been to keep the weight above my respiratory consultant's recommended floor of BMI 20
Yes - I got diagnosed with bronchiectasis / alpha 1 anti trypisin deficiency after 6 chest infections in a year resulted in my old boss getting me CT scanned via the back door. Online bronchiectasis pais with much higher severity scores typically struggle to get up to bmi 18.5. If I get an infection, I can easily drop 2kg in a week. I'm lucky - my severity score is zero, and my FEV1 is 5.76 - I seem to have been caught before my lung function is too screwed, albeit I've got mild cylindrical scarring throughout both lungs. A huge stash of Froome pills and antibiotics gets me out of jail when things get a bit "upper respiratory". Am slinging a Romandie dose down me at the mo' in an effort to keep things at bay.
A chest cough and the attendant fortnight off the bike, plus eating too much CAEK, have meant I've been bumping around just over/under 100kg. Still, must be the lightest I've been in 5 or 6 years - immediate goal is to stay more or less static over the festive season.
You're doing very well, woolly!
For myself, it's the party season. I'll indulge and restart weighing at some point, but I don't know when.
Deposits are trivial. Leaks are heavier.Your deposits may be trivial, but all fboab about the effects of my very high fibre diet. Yesterday, I did 2600 kcal of exercise on top of my BMR, but despite being in my deficit to the tune of 1200kcal, the 3200kcal I did eat, along with the weird cyclical effect I see in my weight meant my weight leapt 1.2kg.
I was 0.7kg lighter on Saturday than Wednesday, but it's all noise.
There are more important things in life!
I'm 45, I've been overweight for 40 of those years. Maybe I should just live with it, I'm not sure I have enough willpower to do much about it any more. There are more important things in life!
TL:DR - don't rely on will power. Change your environment so that good habits* are sustained by default, and self-monitor rather than put your head in the sand.
That's fine until external stuff breaks you out of your routine, which is exactly what happened to me. I'd got to a point a few years ago where I was finding it easy to maintain the good habits but then shit happened... And kept on happening. A relentless tide of shit.
I really need to find a way to get back into those good habits in spite of the shit. I guess that's where willpower comes in.
This weight issue bugged me for years. In the late eighties I was running 80 miles a week and it was two weeks before my first London marathon. At my MOT the plump little nurse pronounced me obese.
Well the nurses chart would like me at 83kg and that would just be wrong as I would be a bag of bones. I'm under 95kg for the first time in eons and do feel very good. Though how much better, if any gain, closer to say 90 I don't know, a kg or so more would do the job for me.
Clarion - it's 2017 mate.
Well, I've surpassed myself. 95 fucking kilos today.Yebbut under your mcfuelled fat, you have a big-rig heart and lungs. Fit and fat is probably the right description? I put on weight when I exercise, fat as well as muscle. You may be the same.
The rowing challenge put the brakes on the (slow) weight loss I'd been managing after the end of the audax season- having inevitably gained umpteen kilos doing all those McFuelled overnighters, and I have enjoyed Christmas, in a feasting way.
Back to the goddamn grindstone.
My BMI is 35. That's because I'm fat. Very few of us, here, are actually large framed, heavily muscled, whatever. If your BMI is over 30, you're probably fat. Size 18 is fat, I know this as I'm having to buy new work trousers because my size 16s aren't doing the job. It's a bit annoying as I threw out the last lot of emergency fat bastard trousers when we moved.
The rather old school Commando 7 exercises appeal: anyone tried these?
Speaking for myself only, there can be fluctuations of ± 0.8kg with no change in exercise and little in diet.
Target for this year is reduced variation. Am bored of the pattern of gaining weight as I ride more, especially when I start doing longer audax. Aiming to go hyper and do LEL this year, so this will be a decent challenge for me.
I'm not sure if reducing variation is practically possible.I'm only looking for +/- 2kg rather than the +/- 5kg I've typically seen. Not fussed about daily fluctuations - indeed, I like that Garmin's default snapshot in connect mobile is the weekly average.
Speaking for myself only, there can be fluctuations of ± 0.8kg with no change in exercise and little in diet.
Sticking to ultra-regular meals and drinks would mean I'd never go out/away.
I'm half a kilo down on last week, despite three nights away and some Big Hotel Meals as well as dreadful constipation.
Target for this year is reduced variation. Am bored of the pattern of gaining weight as I ride more, especially when I start doing longer audax. Aiming to go hyper and do LEL this year, so this will be a decent challenge for me.
7% body fat is rather low. (and doesn't really correspond with the BMI of 20?). Are you use you need to lose weight?:)
Target for this year is reduced variation. Am bored of the pattern of gaining weight as I ride more, especially when I start doing longer audax. Aiming to go hyper and do LEL this year, so this will be a decent challenge for me.
7% body fat is rather low. (and doesn't really correspond with the BMI of 20?). Are you use you need to lose weight?:)
Clarion - it's 2017 mate.The hazards of accessing the forum on a phobile moan :-[
7% is what elite athletes will be at (or thereabouts). For a normal person, it's very low :).
Our scales say 22% for me.
I hope that's inaccurate. I don't have DrMekon's veins, though.
Our scales say 22% for me.
I hope that's inaccurate. I don't have DrMekon's veins, though.
I'm heavier than you, and certainly less trained currently; my scales claim I'm 22.5%, so surely you'd be less? Dr Volio (FOTP) was/is pretty vocal about the inaccuracy of absolute figures from these machines. FWIW, the reading does seem to go down when I'm leaner, but I'm still not convinced it's measuring anything useful.
Very, very few people have 4% body fat. Froome was at 9.8% in August 2015, in the physiological data he released, down from 16.7% in 2007 (when he was slightly pudgy by pro cyclist standards but still slim).
It's fair to say that my immune system has no immediate concerns.
Our scales say 22% for me.
I hope that's inaccurate. I don't have DrMekon's veins, though.
Dr Volio (FOTP) was/is pretty vocal about the inaccuracy of absolute figures from these machines. FWIW, the reading does seem to go down when I'm leaner, but I'm still not convinced it's measuring anything useful.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3458836/Can-really-survive-eating-POTATOES-year-man-risk-health.html
Apologies for Daily Mail.
He's lost 10kg in 4 weeks eating nothing but potatoes.
0.2kg lost. What do you mean that's noise?!
0.2 kg/week for a year = 10.4kg...That would be just fine...
0.2 kg/week for a year = 10.4kg...That would be just fine...
Weight: -0.6kg
Neck: -0.5cm
Waist: -1cm
Almost certainly NOISE, but a very pleasant kind of NOISE.
Yes, it's time I got rid of the baby weight really.Shit, I missed that off the list!
I agree with Madcow. "Potatoes are just carbs" is an unfortunate oversimplification.
However if you cut them up and fry them in fat, they (chips) are highly associated with weight gain because they become much more calorific and very more-ish.
This is why I tend to avoid making chips and will either bake or mash them.
-1.4kg ?!? But I've been every in between this and last week's weight, up and down. I hope the downward trend continues, but gentler, though I won't be upset if things balance out a bit.
Was up 0.5kg yesterday, am down .2kg today. All just noise.Or a poop :)
Or a poop :)
Or a poop :)
That's an awful lot of poop!
Or a poop :)
That's an awful lot of poop!
I eat a lot of fruit and veg and an awful lot of fibre :)
Mate reckoned he can drop 5lbs on a good day. Impressive.
Data point: 600gm.You've made my evening.
Just sayin'.
I don't eat an enormous (I'd even call it Mekon-esque ;) ) amount of fibre, because when I tried the Mekon-diet, it didn't stop me feeling hungry, it just made me shit every 2 hrs. TMI there, sorry.
:-[
Having prided myself on Steady Weight but No Exercise, (I had not weighed myself last year at all) it appears I have gained 10lb.
I am going to have to Be Sensible.
There are still three uneaten Chocolate Oranges from Christmas. At the rate we attack them, I don't think they are the cause of the problem.
Looks like I'll be a Diet Bore too...
Or a poop :)
That's an awful lot of poop!
I eat a lot of fruit and veg and an awful lot of fibre :)
Mate reckoned he can drop 5lbs on a good day. Impressive.
The difference can indeed be as much as 5lb. Most of that, of course, is fluid.
I suspect you're right.
Wings are actually the lowest Calorie starter for next week's social meal at a Beefeater, I think.
I suspect you're right.
Wings are actually the lowest Calorie starter for next week's social meal at a Beefeater, I think.
Not the North American type, who are heavily coated in a various BBQ sauces, which all have loads of sugar.
8)
The difference can indeed be as much as 5lb. Most of that, of course, is fluid.
According to Wikipedia, the daily average is 128g (4.5oz), of which 75% is water. My mind is boggling at what some of you are capable of producing!
Thought last week's drop was too good to last.90 kg :( >:(
Anyway the local council supported Weight Loss Challenge starts on Monday so I will have two lots of accountability to deal with for the next six weeks.
Not that it helped last year...
Taken up listening to metal?
I'm still carrying on with the no-sugar-no-dairy stuff but I think it's the complete lack of cakes & puddings which are making the difference.
I have also reactivated my Fitbit and have, most days, been meeting targets of 10000 paces, 10 flights of stairs, 5 miles walked, 45 "active" minutes and 3k calories burned.
Three weeks into Keto and I'm down 6kg.
After the first month of Keto I am 7.2kg down and my waist measurement has reduced by 6cm. So I'm very pleased about that. It is still bizarre not to be hungry... I eat nothing whatsoever between meals and don't find I need to.
We'll see how I feel after another month of what is a slightly repetitive menu choice.
Not really, I'm just sticking to the rules. Tracking on MyFitnessPal, keeping under 40g carbs (mostly 25 per day), protein under 100g, the rest fat. Meals are rather samey and desserts even more so but I can live with the restriction for another two months. I look forward to allowing a few more carbs so I can have a bit of fruit and more onions!
I have made an almond flour cheesecake, some low carb fudge and some low carb waffles. They weren't worth it, the only low carb recipe that worked for me was a Quark pizza base but it wasn't that great. I am living off stir fried veg, meat and cauliflower rice. But I do feel good on it.
I record my weight daily and track average weight (over two weeks). The general trend continues 'down', and looking at Wednesdays each is lower than the previous.
I am struggling to lose 2kg. Doesn't help with half term etc and too many biscuits
I've just had huel, fruit salad and a banana for lunch. There is cake but I'm full already. Huel is very filling.
Wisdom tooth was removed on Tuesday and I'm eating soft foods to avoid disturbing the precious clot.
ISQ
(Medical abbreviation 'in status quo' so no progress)
Life. Stuff.
Binge eating. ALL THE MARZIPAN.
FFS. It'll take a month of righteousness to recover.
Imagine the medium of SMS:Life. Stuff.Why would you have marzipan in the house? Is that like leaving a child with a gun?
Binge eating. ALL THE MARZIPAN.
FFS. It'll take a month of righteousness to recover.
Marzipan. I want marzipan
Really? Or are you just going to be cross with me if I bring some?
Tough call. What if you don't bring it?
You have 60s to decide
GET IT. GET IT NOW.
Life. Stuff.
Binge eating. ALL THE MARZIPAN.
FFS. It'll take a month of righteousness to recover.
Why would you have marzipan in the house? Is that like leaving a child with a gun?
Post bone graft, I asked for some frozen yogurt. MIL came back with cream egg / belgian choc ice cream. I am feeding it to the kids to get rid, and got myself some 74 kcal per lolly moo yoghurt stuff.
Nothing like codeine and having your jaw exposed and chipped away at to kill an appetite.
Yesterday I wore a pair of size 12 trousers for the first time in nearly five years. Today I'm wearing a different pair to prove that it wasn't a fluke. Well not too much of one, anyway.
Phone autocorrect in sad mistake.
Phone autocorrect in sad mistake.
I really don't understand!
Since the start of January I have not eaten:
- red meat (rarely ate it at home anyway, but was no stranger to the full English or bacon sarnie when out and about)
- cheese
- any dairy aside from tea-whitening quantities ofskimmed milknow on semi-skimmed
- chocolate
- cake
-nutsI eat a fair bit of almond and cashew nut butter
- very few eggs
Edited to add (I always forget to mention this now, although I shouldn’t): no alcohol, though I’ve been doing that for quite a while...
I have eaten:
- more oily fish
- more fish in general
- a range of different things instead of milk because I don’t trust any of them especially soya milk
- even more veg than I ate already
- lots of salad leaves of various sorts, which I was not previously enamoured with
- porridge every single day without fail. Food of the gods.
Hit my target weight at the end of March. I realise now that the hard part is keeping the weight off until LEL. Think I hit my target far to early :-(.
Hit my target weight at the end of March. I realise now that the hard part is keeping the weight off until LEL. Think I hit my target far to early :-(.
Not really; you can work on your strength and endurance over the next three months.
It is very difficult to get faster/stronger/fitter etc while losing weight.
Keep steady, get fit!
Don't worry if you gain a little weight and don't attempt to lose weight in the last 10 days before LEL.
Looking back at the first 3 pages of this thread reveal that some people, the same people, have a life-long struggle with weight (like me).
It's a thread that documents a 9 year struggle to stay, pretty much, in the same place.
My own records of my weight show the same struggle. Only PBP every 4 years have any significant impact, mainly because it's hard NOT to lose weight doing all the qualifiers..etc.
Let's look at the tragic facts...
If we had lost just 3 Kg per year (250g per month) then we'd all be 27Kg lighter.
Perhaps that's the answer. Make your target 3Kg per year for 9 years, rather than 1kg per week..for a bit..then restart after blobbing out again.
I fell off the diet wagon over Easter and I'm struggling to get back on for various reasons. I'll keep trying and see if this is the week I can do it. :-\
Please can I be stronger and lighter.
More vanity sizing issues...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sort-out-your-sizes-student-blasts-hm-after-struggling-to-fit-into-dress-two-sizes-bigger-than-she-a3552741.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sort-out-your-sizes-student-blasts-hm-after-struggling-to-fit-into-dress-two-sizes-bigger-than-she-a3552741.html)
I've looked at H&M sizes online. They are similar to those M&S used 40 years ago but M&S 'updated' their sizing when the Scandis didn't. Oh dear!
34" jeans really need a belt on me. My waist is 35".
34" jeans really need a belt on me. My waist is 35".
I haven't actually measured my waist, but my suit trousers at 34 inch waist feel like a sack on me. I'm refusing to replace intil I'm down to 76kgs or just under. When i was younger and running competitively I weighed 11st 3lbs and comfortably wore trousers sized at 29 inch waist and 34 inch inside leg. I've not seen that sizing for years. Even 32 or 30 with a 33 inch inside leg is not stocked in quantity.
32" jeans are too tight around my thighs even if waist would fit.
Jolly good holiday it was, 3kg up ...
Jolly good holiday it was, 3kg up ...Rode in the North Yorkshire moors yesterday. Punishing area for my short term weight gain of the last couple of weeks...
Just a suggestion.
Why don't we all set a weight loss target of 2Kg a year? If you can't reduce your weight by 2Kg a year then you may as well just call the whole thing off.
As I posted before on this thread. Very few people have actually lost weight during the life of this thread.
Two weeks ago I started commuting 40 miles a day, 4 days a week, total 160miles. I think I've lost about a kilo so far, I can feel my trousers getting looser at the waist. This was from no commuting before 2 weeks ago.
I don't think I can keep up that mileage, so starting this week I will be doing 120 miles instead. If I try to eat a bit less or at least don't eat any more than usual, I think should reach my target of 70kg say within 2 months, I'm about 73kg now.
If you can't reduce your weight by 2Kg a year then you may as well just call the whole thing off.I can reduce my weight by much more than 2kg in a year. but as soon as something goes wrong in my life and stress or misery gets going, I gain it all back, with interest, and much faster than it's lost.
It just doesn't work like that.
40/30/30 macro
MrsC has decreed that 'something must be done' so has signed up for three months of Slimming World on line. This is now non-negotiable!Apparently I am allowed more 'Syns' due to being male which probably means I will be able to cope.
Does the panel have any comments or suggestions? Particularly to cope with the vast difference in our exercise regimes?
MrsC has decreed that 'something must be done' so has signed up for three months of Slimming World on line. This is now non-negotiable!
Does the panel have any comments or suggestions? Particularly to cope with the vast difference in our exercise regimes?
Thanks
...and the answer to my original query about the size and gender difference is that I am allowed more 'Syns' (really don't like that name) per day which solves my immediate problem.
I am not weighing myself or trying to lose weight any more.
I am not weighing myself or trying to lose weight any more.
...and I bet you lose weight.
If you can't reduce your weight by 2Kg a year then you may as well just call the whole thing off.I can reduce my weight by much more than 2kg in a year. but as soon as something goes wrong in my life and stress or misery gets going, I gain it all back, with interest, and much faster than it's lost.
It just doesn't work like that.
I'm definitely a fan of fasting; it's a natural state that has many benefits; the fact that there are processes that we need for long-term health, that only start after we're fasted for at least 24 hours, says to me it's a state we've evolved to use to our advantage.
Being permanently fed - that's the artificial state our bodies can't handle :hand:. Don't be afraid of the feast side of the equation though - look up some of Valter Longo's work; some of what happens during a fast (cellular apoptosis, autophagy, increases in HGH) are in preparation for an anticipated end to the fast.
I've read Jason Fung's book on fasting. I find his presentation style irritating, but his writing is persuasive.
Edit... You don't need to worry about me ignoring the feast side of things.. oh no, I most definitely don't ignore that. It's called the Weekend.
I know, trust me on that. I have a weight loss graph since 1997 that is a pure sine-wave.
If you can't reduce your weight by 2Kg a year then you may as well just call the whole thing off.I can reduce my weight by much more than 2kg in a year. but as soon as something goes wrong in my life and stress or misery gets going, I gain it all back, with interest, and much faster than it's lost.
It just doesn't work like that.
I know, trust me on that. I have a weight loss graph since 1997 that is a pure sine-wave.
The trouble is, with calorie-deficit diets, you suppress your metabolism, slowly and inexorably, until even your reduced calories are enough to maintain it.
Simultaneously your body goes into overtime with "hunger hormones" making you hungrier than you ever were, all day, every day.
That double whammy means that when you increase your calorie intake you pile on weight much quicker (due to your lower calorific needs) and you enter a hormone driven feeding frenzy. It's not your fault...your hormones changed to make you eat..and eat
It's why Weight-watchers et al have a dismal long-term success rate (despite a good 3-6 month success rate*).
*Success shouldn't be based on 3-6 months.
I recognised this pattern in myself and have done much research into why it happens. I'm now convinced that Fasting will help me.
I'm one month into it and 8kg down (1st 3lb).
There is so much bullshit talked about "Starvation mode" and "Muscle loss" but that mostly comes from the purveyors of food. There's no profit in Fasting, it's a zero cost option.
Here's a summary of what I've learned so far:
- Fasting can be done for as long as you like and it has positive benefits over a 7-day reduced calorie regime. 1 day, 2 days a week (5:2), using 600kcals on your Fast days or nothing, even longer.
- It can be seen as a "miracle cure" for many people with Type 2 Diabetes (Where sufferers are propped up on Insulin supplements)
- Consider Type 2 Diabetes. It's a disease where the patient has become desensitised to Insulin, over long periods of being naturally "flooded" with Insulin to combat a sugary diet. The "Cure" is to supplement the "flood" of natural insulin with externally administered Insulin. Does that strike anyone as odd? A disease of too much Insulin treated with more Insulin?
Fasting turns off (to a large degree) natural Insulin production. It's not required, there's no sugar coming in (remember that Bread and Pasta = Carbs = Sugar, not just Coke and Mars Bars).
Fasting allows the body to become sensitive to Insulin again.
Anyway, see the Michael Moseley Youtube (and Jason Fung Youtubes) for a full description of why it works and considerations before trying it.
- I don't feel hungry. Yes, that's weird. I find that reduced calories or 600kcal Fasting just makes me crave more (there are hormonal reasons remember) so I just don't eat anything on Fasting days.
- I feel more active. Yes, that's weird. Reduced calories made me feel cold and lethargic. There are hormonal reasons why Fasting makes you feel more active (Growth hormone is released, Adrenalin is released, brain activity goes up..etc).
- Think about how we evolved rather than what we've done in the last 100 years (when food became ever more available). We woke up in a cave, chased a Wildebeest across a plain for a few hours, then ate the f*** out of it when we finally caught it. We're actually designed to burn fat not carbohydrate. Carbs are just a short term luxury that (should) come along infrequently, not every 2 hours from the fridge. When you're low on Wildebeest the body releases hormones to make you think clearer and perform better, in order to catch Wildebeest. It doesn't slow you down when you haven't eaten Wildebeest for a few days, that would have been species suicide.
- It targets fat. After the first day of Fasting you've used up your Carbs (Glycogen stores), there's only around 2,500kCals of it in your Liver and blood. Once Glycogen is gone you enter Ketosis, where fat is metabolised as fuel (any Audax rider should have an efficient Ketosis system because carbs alone don't get you around a 400km ride. I think Audax riders will find it less "painful" to Fast as their bodies will be used to Ketosis being switched on).
Anything you do from Day 2 onwards is (mostly) Fat-fuelled.
I'm on another Day 2 right now. The hunger is gone, I feel fine and I may try 3 or 4 days this time. I did 3 last week and it was fine. On the 3rd day I attended a high power Wattbike Class and went for a 30 mile ride. I felt fine, nothing to worry about, I'm burning fat and I have shit loads left.
The best thing for me is that I don't crave food now and I don't feel cold. Having zero food triggers the reverse hormonal effect as having reduced food. Why would I want to eat just a little piece of Cake? That's like giving up smoking except for one puff on a ciggy ....it's torture.
Caveat. I'm in the early stages, the easy part. I've been this weight before (but usually with the help of PBP preparation/qualification regime. You can eat anything in PBP year and lose weight). This is the first time I've lost weight so consistently without huge cycling miles.
Anyway I recommend you watch this (especially if Type 2 Diabetes is a concern). It's a summary by Jason Fung. There are many more of his lectures to link to. I find them fascinating and motivational.
We've all been fed such bullshit by the food companies and the diet industry.
Please watch before coming back with comments based on Old-Wives tales though.
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However if you have struggled with excess fat mass for 20 years I can't see or haven't seen any evidence that fasting will correct this in the long term.
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For somebody [luckily] barely interested in weight loss [mainly because I'm lucky enough to burn the considerable amount I eat off during the day being on my feet working....it would soon change though if I stopped!] I found this interview very interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Aw0P7GjHE
I'm curious about how fasting works with family life. Do your other halves or children fast along with you? I have friends who have had eating disorders, and built psychological rituals around food - some of the fasting techniques sound very similar. For this reason I'd be seriously concerned if my 8yo daughter took up fasting.
I appreciate that diets aimed at athletic performance can be extreme (eg eating sugar for a TdF, or fat for a 600km audax), and I appreciate that as someone who has never had a problem with unwanted weight I might be the wrong audience, but I find the modern emphasis on rigid diets for the regular child/adult concerning.
I'm curious about how fasting works with family life. Do your other halves or children fast along with you?
Years of working in catering (before I found IT) trained me to be able to cook and not want to eat what I'm cooking.
I failed miserably in 2017...well, haven't really gained anything, but still need to lose 10kg sooner rather than later. 20kg ideally.You need to get your skates on, if you want to do it this year, with less than a week left of 2017 and all :)
Feeling more motivated this year, just really need to get the wife on board (who could also do with losing the same amount).
Good luck with the Maffetone stuff, I've used his training theory very successfully in the past to drop my 10k pb every year for 5 years in a row. No need to apply it successfully to cycling.
After some fettling, automatic updates are now working.
It remains to be seen what happens when the computer is sleeping.
After some fettling, automatic updates are now working.
It remains to be seen what happens when the computer is sleeping.
Please Sir,
Can you put me in the graphs?
I appreciate you'll need new baselines but my 104 cm hip circumference would suggest that I am not emaciated!
Many thanks,
London Derrière.
Considering switching to a 16:8 IF schedule. 16 hours fasting, lunch at 2pm, dinner at 10. Should enable me to eat after training.
Between 12 & 1 usually.
Helly - you don’t seem to be on the graphs yet. I’ll investigate.
Helly - you don’t seem to be on the graphs yet. I’ll investigate.
Thanks!
I was wondering but thought you had more than enough going on...
Two weeks without scales and now new ones, not the best combination :(
Errr Simon,
I know I'm an old woman dwelling on the past but it seems my initial 74kg weight and BMI of 27 (18/1/2012) don't feature in the graphs.
Sometimes I need to see these to improve my morale. I know it's all AGES ago but I wonder if you could oblige.
Ta muchly!
Errr Simon,
I know I'm an old woman dwelling on the past but it seems my initial 74kg weight and BMI of 27 (18/1/2012) don't feature in the graphs.
Sometimes I need to see these to improve my morale. I know it's all AGES ago but I wonder if you could oblige.
Ta muchly!
The graphs do indeed only go back 6 years so those weights are now off the end of the graph.
I can easily generate an additional graph (or perhaps increase the longest to 8 years so it goes in powers of 2).
But the question for tonight is what to have on the pizza ;D
I did thanks :thumbsup:
But the question for tonight is what to have on the pizza ;D
Whatever you fancy and I hope you enjoyed it!
There's a bit more noise on my flat line.
No convincing evidence of loss.
I didn't bother taking part in the WL thread this year, it has been so ineffective in the past.I have to admit that I don't think logging my weight here actually encourages me to lose any of it, but it provides me with an anchor in the week so weighing on Wednesday becomes the 'official' one.
We now have WiFi scales, so don't need to record anything anymore - we just stand on 'em and it's done.
You could try the religious approach:
Recite a Grace before food passes your lips.
Recite a Grace at the end of a meal.
Finish a meal satisfied but with room for more.
Do not eat between meals.
What is a recreational carb?
Riding really hard for 10 minutes will certainly raise your level of calorie burning for those 10 minutes and maybe some 'cool-down' time afterwards. How much it changes your metabolism for the rest of the day is moot and variable.If it's intense enough to build muscle, won't that also effect metabolism? All good, but even with the most optimistic estimates it's still not going to consume enough calories to make much difference - rough calculation, if 1 kg weight loss is 7,000 cal and 10 min intense is 160 cal, then it'll take around 22 weeks to lose a kg :o
The exercise will certainly get your heart pumping and blood coursing round the body.
Riding really hard for 10 minutes will certainly raise your level of calorie burning for those 10 minutes and maybe some 'cool-down' time afterwards. How much it changes your metabolism for the rest of the day is moot and variable.If it's intense enough to build muscle, won't that also effect metabolism? All good, but even with the most optimistic estimates it's still not going to consume enough calories to make much difference - rough calculation, if 1 kg weight loss is 7,000 cal and 10 min intense is 160 cal, then it'll take around 22 weeks to lose a kg :o
The exercise will certainly get your heart pumping and blood coursing round the body.
Riding really hard for 10 minutes will certainly raise your level of calorie burning for those 10 minutes and maybe some 'cool-down' time afterwards. How much it changes your metabolism for the rest of the day is moot and variable.If it's intense enough to build muscle, won't that also effect metabolism? All good, but even with the most optimistic estimates it's still not going to consume enough calories to make much difference - rough calculation, if 1 kg weight loss is 7,000 cal and 10 min intense is 160 cal, then it'll take around 22 weeks to lose a kg :o
The exercise will certainly get your heart pumping and blood coursing round the body.
I would never argue with a vicar! (probably because she would hit me!)
However whilst I understand your reference is to eating food offered to idols, I think the practice of giving thanks for food (saying Grace) goes back a lot further.
For instance Jesus, is recorded as giving thanks for the bread before he broke it. Certainly for our family saying Grace is a very simple but powerful way of reminding ourselves at every meal that food is a gift not a given.
<snip>I find exercise acts like an appetite suppressant. <snip>
Relatively new to YACF, have been lurking a bit found this and the annual tracking thread so decided to get involved. Have made some positive changes to diet in terms of quality, quantity and when I'm eating which has led to some good results so far. Have also opted to bring a bidon with me on my commutes to ensure I get enough water during the day.
Relatively new to YACF, have been lurking a bit found this and the annual tracking thread so decided to get involved. Have made some positive changes to diet in terms of quality, quantity and when I'm eating which has led to some good results so far. Have also opted to bring a bidon with me on my commutes to ensure I get enough water during the day.
Updating has been tough. Back to back to back colds in February was a real pain and then we'd a new addition to the family in March. Finally back in a rhythm/routine where food is being monitored and am getting a small bit more time back on the bike before work. Need to get back on Zwift soon though.
Between May 22nd and June 17th when my 16/8 intermittent fasting was run pretty much religiously I lost 7Kg. Since Sunday I've moved to "water" fasting to see what sort of effect it has on my mental/physical state. Will report back on how I'm getting on. I'm about 72 hours in without any food, just water consumption at about 3 litres/day. Still commuting on my bike to/from work but I'm doing at Z1 levels to keep efforts to a minimum.
After 18 months of gradual weight loss through using a Fitbit to manage calories in/out I hit my target weight on Friday. On Saturday I rode a very hot and sunny 300km Audax (Snow Roads). Weighed myself this morning and I'd put 1.7kg back on! Pretty sure I've had a substantial calorie deficit over the weekend so I don't understand where the weight comes from. Any ideas?
'Injury' type fluid retention usually disperses in 4-10 days.
Either don't weigh yourself or chart your weights with obsessive scientific interest.
But don't fret.
And don't let this temporary non-fat weight blip lure you into a binge, which might make you fatter, not wetter.
Whatever you are doing, you might have noticed it's rather hot in much of the UK at present.
Don't be surprised if your ankles swell and you gain a little weight.
It's only water which you'll flush away once the temperature drops.
For instance Jesus, is recorded as giving thanks for the bread before he broke it. Certainly for our family saying Grace is a very simple but powerful way of reminding ourselves at every meal that food is a gift not a given.
For instance Jesus, is recorded as giving thanks for the bread before he broke it. Certainly for our family saying Grace is a very simple but powerful way of reminding ourselves at every meal that food is a gift not a given.
Ah, but who was he giving thanks to? Wasn't he the start of Christianity as most people see it, surely he was just following another tradition, ie paganism, he was brought up under Roman rule?
Whatever you are doing, you might have noticed it's rather hot in much of the UK at present.Slightly off topic but... Pituitary Gone broke with the TBI. I have to take Desmopressin, Anti diuretic hormones, to stay alive. How will this work on weight/water/sweat Etc in the Hot weather? I am Sweating bathtubs, even on a moderately warm day. Should I be careful of water intake, Salt loss/intake and other things?
Don't be surprised if your ankles swell and you gain a little weight.
It's only water which you'll flush away once the temperature drops.
Fat is shockingly efficient! There is a research report on a 27 year old who underwent a 382 medically supervised fast and remained 'ambulatory' throughout. His blood numbers were interesting, glucose dropped to 30(forget the units it was american) but he remained functional. I presume he lost a lot of spare weight... I'll re read at some point.
Dropped to 82kgs this morning. First time under 13 stone in a few months:)
I have to be careful though, if I lose too much weight, people start worrying that I am ill.
Okay so after 7.5 weeks I have lost 12lb. I think I might work towards another 2lb which will make me 7 stone 12lb, but not too bothered if I don't get there.
<does a happy dance>
I have to be careful though, if I lose too much weight, people start worrying that I am ill. I've noticed that a couple of colleagues have look me up and down but not said anything, so I have reassured them that the weight loss is intentional.
I have no idea where councils get the budgets to finance this sort of stuff. It can't be cheap. SW is a little over £4 a week for old buggers, so that is £50 straight away, and the 1:1 sessions must be very much more expensive. I don't know how many of them I will be entitled to but the woman I spoke to today said that people very often do both for quite some time. The trainer sessions will be approximately monthly.
I have no idea where councils get the budgets to finance this sort of stuff. It can't be cheap. SW is a little over £4 a week for old buggers, so that is £50 straight away, and the 1:1 sessions must be very much more expensive. I don't know how many of them I will be entitled to but the woman I spoke to today said that people very often do both for quite some time. The trainer sessions will be approximately monthly.
The idea is that £x00 spent now could save the NHS £x000+ in the future.
Plus they wouldn't be paying list price for everything as a reduced bulk contract would have been negotiated.
Actual funding for it just means the Government accruing a bit more debt, and then not accruing as much debt n+ years in the future.
Really need to get started with my weight loss.
Still up at 96kg after injury setbacks and days off gone due to parenting during the summer holidays. I'll be back on the bike from September and running again late September.
Still aiming for under 80kg by April 2019.
253 days until London Marathon which is 36 weeks, so 18kg at 0.5kg/week but hoping to push that to 0.6kg/week if I can to get down to under 75kg.
A year of doing hardly anything, not monitoring anything, drinking a little bit, working too hard. Gained 7kg. Jeans still say 30", but proper trousers say 32". Need to sort it out.
If anyone has lost weight and is curious what happened to it, I've found it.
If anyone has lost weight and is curious what happened to it, I've found it.
I don't understand all this calorie counting stuff. At 6'2" and 14.5 stone I am supposed to need 2000cals a day just to sit on the couch for 8 hours and walk upstairs now and again. I consume about 1800cals a day. I run a regular 4 mile route, ride 100 miles over a week and often do a 70 on a Sunday. Work out hard with heavy weights at the gym. swim a bit. I never lose weight. My belly is my most loyal friend. No matter what I do it is still there every day. It will not leave my side.
My wife says "Women don't care if a bloke has a belly, It's the whole package that counts." Hmmmm... Can't work out if she is just being kind. Plus where can I get one of these packages? :)
Try the same total Calorie intake but cut the sugar, carbs and booze.I drink less than a bottle of red wine over a week. Don't have sugary drinks or take sugar in beverages, never have. I do like the odd piece of cake and eat about three slices of bread a day. There must be hidden sugars somewhere. Well hidden. :)
See what happens...
Well it won't leave either side. Likes to spread itself about. Those damned love handles.I don't understand all this calorie counting stuff. At 6'2" and 14.5 stone I am supposed to need 2000cals a day just to sit on the couch for 8 hours and walk upstairs now and again. I consume about 1800cals a day. I run a regular 4 mile route, ride 100 miles over a week and often do a 70 on a Sunday. Work out hard with heavy weights at the gym. swim a bit. I never lose weight. My belly is my most loyal friend. No matter what I do it is still there every day. It will not leave my side.
My wife says "Women don't care if a bloke has a belly, It's the whole package that counts." Hmmmm... Can't work out if she is just being kind. Plus where can I get one of these packages? :)
If your belly won't leave your side I reckon it might be something else.
Since joining Slimming World 5 weeks ago I have now lost 18lb. I think the vast bulk of it is down to all but removing bread from my diet.
I make almost all of our bread in a machine. The loaf I make the most often is a "rustic French" which includes only 400 grammes of flour but rises enough to make it look like an 800 gramme loaf. Each slice therefore contains less bread and more bubbles.
** I have woken up fewer times with a bad lower back. And when I gained some weight this spring the lower back and hip pain came back.
I am AMAZED at WB's weight loss!
TG makes a valid point about sleep.
** I have woken up fewer times with a bad lower back. And when I gained some weight this spring the lower back and hip pain came back.
Anterior Pelvic Tilt?
The hip pain I get now when gaining weight, is often felt by pregnant woman, because their unborn weight is pulling them around while laying on the sides. Was told by our pilates instructor. So a beer belly can do that too and that is where weight lands first on me when gaining. And I sleep 100% on my sides, cause on my back I'll snore and wake myself up and on my belly my neck hurts and I get the pain in my arms/hands.
To solve that pain it so drop the fat or sleep with a pillow between my knees.
The hip pain I get now when gaining weight, is often felt by pregnant woman, because their unborn weight is pulling them around while laying on the sides. Was told by our pilates instructor. So a beer belly can do that too and that is where weight lands first on me when gaining. And I sleep 100% on my sides, cause on my back I'll snore and wake myself up and on my belly my neck hurts and I get the pain in my arms/hands.
To solve that pain it so drop the fat or sleep with a pillow between my knees.
I seem to be doing well with mouth taping. I simply put some bandage tape over my mouth before bed so that I breathe through my nose, which reduces or eliminates my sleep apnoea. It's enough to make breathing through the nose the path of least resistance but not so bad that it will stop you breathing if your nose gets blocked and you have to breathe through your mouth.
I also use nose vents and other devices to keep my nose clear. I got myself a device that records my blood oxygen, heart rate and movement when I sleep and gives me an oxygen score from the results. It also vibrates if my oxygen drops to a level that I can set it at. The idea is that it prompts you to breathe before your oxygen drops too low. You can switch the vibrate on or off. I haven't had it long so I'm seeing what gives me the best results.
My tongue stabiliser did seem to work. The trouble is that I often woke up and it was no longer in my mouth and it's not that nice to have in your mouth in the first place. Mouth taping seems to be more effective and reliable, at least for me.
Well done WoW!
I think it's more about fat loss for me just now. I had an 8-site caliper check today; 15% body fat.
Weight is static but someone at the rowing club commented at the weekend that my shoulders look bigger. They are bigger, but given static weight I've lost weight elsewhere, and it seems to be fat.
Huel AND protein for breakfast? Doesn't the former contain he latter anyway? You'd only need, what, 60gm of protein in total per day?
And now we're in the run up to the season of over-eating.
Well done Gus!+1 amazing results.
Amazing!!!!
The graphs have stopped auto-updating - I'll have to manually update.
I will restate something I've posted many times in this thread, to save you looking through pages.
A gain of 3kg in a month is unlikely to be all fat. LOTS of water follows refeeding on 'naughty' things after relative deprivation.
Your fat gain is unlikely to exceed much more than a kilogram and you'll lose a couple of kg water quite quickly once you start being sensible and 'good'. I'm not sure that advising too much restriction a week before Christmas Day is 'in the spirit' so:
1) Don't lose heart.
2) Enjoy your Festive Season.
3) NEVER eat anything you don't like or don't fancy.
4) Don't get overstuffed; it's unpleasant, unhealthy and a waste of Calories.
I am going to allow myself three days when I eat anything I fancy, without getting overstuffed. Then I'll go back to eating only at meal times and smallish portions.
Happy Christmas!
Graphs are updated.
Well done Gus!
Amazing!!!!
1.5lb down this week, making my total loss 2st 1lb after 11 weeks. I got my 2 stone award, and also my "Club 10", which means I have lost 10% of my starting body weight.
The next weigh-in is on 27th. How much will I have put on after our curry on Saturday with pal Jon et al; Christmas Day with its surfeit of turkey and stuff(ing); Boxing Day at my brother's place... ?
Graphs are updated.
Umm... some of mine seem 'stuck' in the past.
ETA Apologies. I see updated graphs when I click through to the big ones on your site but the old ones persist on the yacf page.
I am in awe of Gus!
Graphs are updated.
Umm... some of mine seem 'stuck' in the past.
ETA Apologies. I see updated graphs when I click through to the big ones on your site but the old ones persist on the yacf page.
I am in awe of Gus!
Ah I was going to investigate but there's no need - thanks for the update.
The project to make the x-axis scale show months rather than week numbers remains stalled.
Today at Slimming World I registered a 4.5lb loss on last week. That's a 1lb loss over the fortnight including Christmas and the new year. This morning I was 113kg, the lightest I have been for years. I would imagine that there are ancient weight loss threads which have me around the 110kg mark, but I don't know how long ago that would have been.
Hopefully will add 2019 to graphs over the weekend.
Off the booze and aiming for a more aggressive 1kg/week (I was averaging 40 units of alcohol a week so that's close to 3500kcal on its own) to get down to 80kg for the end of April.
Also starting 16 week marathon training programme so it'll be impossible to tell how much of the (hopeful) weight loss is due to exercise or abstinence but I'm not worried about that.
This is an example that's always stuck in my mind: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28102.msg510847#msg510847 :o
I'm doing OK also. 9 kg off since NY, and I have a weight in stone that begins in 12 and not 14 now.
I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)
I even managed to keep my weight down on last week's work trip to the US, despite the enforced inactivity and the lack of control over diet etc. Not drinking alcohol (which I can tell you was a major temptation last week) is really helping me. Not just the calories in the booze, but the way it messes up both my metabolism and my will power...
I'm still (just slightly) overweight according to my BMI, but I think that's more of an indication of the crudeness of BMI.
I am much lighter now (<62kg) than when I had an 11,000 mile per year cycling habit (72-76kg).
I'm sure I've lost muscle from my enforced inactivity but I could not lose weight when I rode a lot. I could ignore hunger but could not ignore legs that only propelled my bike a snail's pace.
Keto wasn't a thing when I was cycling but attempting to ride on fewer carbs or empty always resulted in dreadful progress.
If I attempted to lose weight in the 'off season', it would take a while to regain strength, which usually accompanied weight gain.
Good luck Double Dips!
My unofficial weight this morning was 111.5kg, down half a kg. That is so marginal as to be "noise". Any loss at tomorrow's offical weigh-in will be a bonus. I will be most surprised if I managed the 2lb needed for my 2.5 stone award.
All the greasy high energy very tasteful food :P :P from december are not in the shops now
and therefor not in my cupboard.
All the greasy high energy very tasteful food :P :P from december are not in the shops now
and therefor not in my cupboard.
HAH! That's because I bought it all! Unfortunately, I Nommed most of it last week :facepalm:
I have a strong start in January, after a December that resulted in only a minor weightloss.
Sticking to 5.000-7000 kj (1.200-1.600kcal) and 5-6 meals a day works for me.
All the greasy high energy very tasteful food :P :P from december are not in the shops now
and therefor not in my cupboard.
It's incredible how one individual's body responds to one thing and another person responds in a completely different way.
I have to cut back on training and exercise to control my hunger. I simply can't cut calories and exercise at the same intensity. My plan is to just focus on losing weight for eight weeks. I'm going to be doing less exercise than normal but will still keep up with weight training, wattbike sessions and running but all at a reduced intensity so I'm not ravenous all of the time.
That's the plan anyway.
I don't want to sound proselytising but particularly with PCOS I would recommend trying a low carb diet. If you can put up with a life of restricted diet and don't emotionally eat, it can work wonders.
My unofficial weight this morning was 111.5kg, down half a kg. That is so marginal as to be "noise". Any loss at tomorrow's offical weigh-in will be a bonus. I will be most surprised if I managed the 2lb needed for my 2.5 stone award.
Well, I was most agreeably surprised and I did lose the 2lb necessary!
Lovely to see this, Wow!
For myself, I've dropped out, really. I have no motivation and find weighing myself difficult. I suppose I really only need to ensure I don't gain much.
Err...Have many of the graph traces vanished? Not that I'm weighing myself much...
Err...Have many of the graph traces vanished? Not that I'm weighing myself much...
My bad.
I'll look at it this week. It's been a busy several months.
Well that kind of sucks.
I have lost over 10kg now. Put on muscle on arms, back, and chest.
Lost muscle mass from buttocks and fat from waist and buttocks. So now I have 'old man saggy bum', instead of nicely rounded cyclists well-developed glutes.
is it okay to do Intermittent Fasting while cycling?I think we all fast between cafes, elevensies, pubs and the curry when you get home from a ride and I haven't seen any off us suffer from fasting :)
is it okay to do Intermittent Fasting while cycling?My experience is that it's fine on 600 calorie "fasting" days once you've settled into it, that's for leisure cycling it might be a bit different if you do high intensity stuff or if you're completely fasting. YMMV of course, try it and see, just have a plan B.
Umm.... Are the graphs borked?
Umm.... Are the graphs borked?
Seem to be - not just not updated but missing.
Did I forget to put 50p in the meter?
Edit: No, paid in April. I'll have to look into it later if they don't come back.
And they're back!
Thanks Simon!
Gus' progress is amazing!
Will join again.
Goals will be maintaining weight, and from summer, try to drop to
80 kg before running Loch Ness marathon oct.4.
Gus, I spy one asterisk too many in both your starting and hopefully your target weight, in the 'Weight reports' thread ;) ;DThank You for pointing it out Hellymedic.
Hope you won't need that asterisk this year!
After a good 8 months from the start of 2019, its all gone back one and some more.
Most 'seasonal' gain is temporary...
(I post this almost every year.)
Most 'seasonal' gain is temporary......as comparing my figures, last week to this, shows...
(I post this almost every year.)
Back into exercise routine and that usual feeling of tiredness that accompanies the first few weeks of it. Ugh.
Fboab, I sympathise with the food/reward thing as I have few non food rewards.
We are back on the Keto as well but trying also to go less meat. About to try Tempeh for the first time.
If anybody has any vegetarian Keto recipes or suggestions I would be very interested.
Main thing for me is more exercise, remove sweets and eat better.
I see phil w is doing well, despite infrequent weigh-ins.
I'm not convinced frequent weighing is always helpful.
Last time I was at the target weight was just after LEL in 2009.
Right direction again, but I feel that I'm still gaining fat & losing muscle. Can't get motivated to do home workouts.
Well here I am, back again. Back to Slimming world.
Well here I am, back again. Back to Slimming world.
Are they meeting face to face or is it online?
My SO insisted we invest in new Bathroom Scales (of a good quality variety that does not give wildly different readings each time AND is relatively accurate (1% or better rather than the 4-8%? of the previous ones)...Congratulations it can be done. I have dropped from 13stone13 to 11stone9 in the last 2 months and cannot believe ho much better I feel. We have done strict 800calorie Keto as it suits us. I see no reason why any diet cannot give equal results.
This has inspired me to weigh the body and take the readings seriously.
After 20 or so years at a constantish 95-97kg despite 2-300km per week on the bike in the Hilly Peaks, I have embarked on a mass reduction program of strict intake (no extras) and increased output (more hours per week on the bicycle)
Seems to be going well. Down to 89kg from 97kg in 11 weeks so far and hope to end up at around 80kg (BMI 22) eventually.
Hopefully the body will then habituate to the new level.
I guess it can be done - not suffering yet! ::-)
Well here I am, back again. Back to Slimming world.
A size 10 in 1990 is not the same as a Size 10 in 2020, though neither is fat. A 2020 size 10 could weigh around a stone (6kg) more than a generation ago and the difference is mostly visceral fat.
Of course, older women aren't the same shape as young girls but M&S clothes now fit waists around 15cm larger than when I were a lass, fo a given 'size'.
M&S adjust their clothing shapes and sizes to adapt to their market, which represents the populace...
A size 10 in 1990 is not the same as a Size 10 in 2020, though neither is fat. A 2020 size 10 could weigh around a stone (6kg) more than a generation ago and the difference is mostly visceral fat.
Of course, older women aren't the same shape as young girls but M&S clothes now fit waists around 15cm larger than when I were a lass, fo a given 'size'.
A size 10 in 1990 is not the same as a Size 10 in 2020, though neither is fat. A 2020 size 10 could weigh around a stone (6kg) more than a generation ago and the difference is mostly visceral fat.
Of course, older women aren't the same shape as young girls but M&S clothes now fit waists around 15cm larger than when I were a lass, fo a given 'size'.
Is it me, or is it a shape change, rather than just size inflation?
When I went to teachers' training college in Lancashire in 1972 I was struck by the small stature of the vast majority of my fellow students. To a degree, this might have been accounted for by the fact that I went from an all boys' school to a college where women outnumbered men by at least 2:1. Even so, there were hardly any men in my year who were taller than I was, the one who immediately springs to mind was called Ken Ness. As his name implies, he was Scots and of course they are known to be taller than average for the UK.M&S adjust their clothing shapes and sizes to adapt to their market, which represents the populace...
We have found they also seem adapt their stock to the part of the country/city the shop is in...
We went into M&S in Yeoville many years ago (briefly looked at a job there once) - all the clothing appeared to be for shorter people that usual - it seemed a bit odd until we looked more closely at the average height of the punters in the shop and also met the one tall lady in the lift who commented "how nice it was to see vertically unchallenged people for a change"... (Are the folk thereabouts selectively bred to cope with low flying helicopters, I wonder?)
A size 10 in 1990 is not the same as a Size 10 in 2020, though neither is fat. A 2020 size 10 could weigh around a stone (6kg) more than a generation ago and the difference is mostly visceral fat.
Of course, older women aren't the same shape as young girls but M&S clothes now fit waists around 15cm larger than when I were a lass, fo a given 'size'.
Is it me, or is it a shape change, rather than just size inflation? The waist to hip ratio seems to be getting progressively sillier. (I know I tend to carry weight on my arse, and I have the thighs of a recumbent cycling champion, but still...)
When I went to teachers' training college in Lancashire in 1972 I was struck by the small stature of the vast majority of my fellow students. To a degree, this might have been accounted for by the fact that I went from an all boys' school to a college where women outnumbered men by at least 2:1. Even so, there were hardly any men in my year who were taller than I was, the one who immediately springs to mind was called Ken Ness. As his name implies, he was Scots and of course they are known to be taller than average for the UK.
Is it me, or is it a shape change, rather than just size inflation? The waist to hip ratio seems to be getting progressively sillier.Absolutely.... I struggle to get things to fit and I am not very slimline. Oddly I seem to find some American sizes better, especially the "curvy" range if they have it. I am getting quite fed up with jeans etc that are tight on the hips and miles to large around the waist.
At the angiologist today, he asks my height and weight and I tell him, adding "BMI's a bit higher than it should be", he says "nah, it's fine, you're thin". I say "????", he says "yeah, slightly overweight is thin these days".
Tcha. Wow, you've been had. In the UK you should be trying Second Nature. (https://www.secondnature.io/)
They spell colour properly.
Good luck with it, I hope Keto suits you.Well, my first question is, how can you blog about CAKE and do keto???
It suits me brilliantly and I am really healthy with it. I hope it works the same for you.
I make some very tasty Keto cakes!Good luck with it, I hope Keto suits you.Well, my first question is, how can you blog about CAKE and do keto???
It suits me brilliantly and I am really healthy with it. I hope it works the same for you.
I see the Butterfly is getting lighter - nearly a stone down in old money; well done!
I am detecting a ketotic aroma occasionally and my clothes aren't getting tighter.
We're still eating CAKE but in TINY slices.
Thanks Helly. It feels incredibly slow!
I see the Butterfly is getting lighter - nearly a stone down in old money; well done!
I am detecting a ketotic aroma occasionally and my clothes aren't getting tighter.
We're still eating CAKE but in TINY slices.
Thanks Helly. It feels incredibly slow!
I make some very tasty Keto cakes!Good luck with it, I hope Keto suits you.Well, my first question is, how can you blog about CAKE and do keto???
It suits me brilliantly and I am really healthy with it. I hope it works the same for you.
But I am also able to have a cake slice on a ride without going out of ketosis, so I am lucky.
I decided - again - that something must be done. I was talking to my Aussie daughter about this and she, who works in health policy, suggested an online programme called Noom* as it has, apparently, had a lot of good results.How's that going?
I make some very tasty Keto cakes!Good luck with it, I hope Keto suits you.Well, my first question is, how can you blog about CAKE and do keto???
It suits me brilliantly and I am really healthy with it. I hope it works the same for you.
But I am also able to have a cake slice on a ride without going out of ketosis, so I am lucky.
Once I have settled into keto maybe I'll manage a little CAKE now and then. But I'm not sure I want to risk switching the cravings on. Having finally twigged that oat milk wasn't helping, and switching it for lashings of DOUBLE CREAM, I'm in a place where the weight is falling off but I never have any pangs for anything on the forbidden list.
I shall now go and make another pot of Posh coffee, and raid the fridge for the many delicious things which I can eat as much as I like of. Yum!!
I decided - again - that something must be done. I was talking to my Aussie daughter about this and she, who works in health policy, suggested an online programme called Noom* as it has, apparently, had a lot of good results.How's that going?
Considering something along those lines and Noom is one of those on the short list.
Someone here seems to be losing weight successfully!Don't you get that terrible feeling of déjà vu?
Someone here seems to be losing weight successfully!Don't you get that terrible feeling of déjà vu?
Congrats on the weight loss.I decided - again - that something must be done. I was talking to my Aussie daughter about this and she, who works in health policy, suggested an online programme called Noom* as it has, apparently, had a lot of good results.How's that going?
Considering something along those lines and Noom is one of those on the short list.
It's OK, it you can stomach the USAnian-ness of it.
Since early July I've lost about 1 st 10lb.
At the angiologist today, he asks my height and weight and I tell him, adding "BMI's a bit higher than it should be", he says "nah, it's fine, you're thin". I say " ??? ?", he says "yeah, slightly overweight is thin these days".
The most disappointing aspect is that, despite losing nearly 2 stones from my heaviest tis year (sounds so much more impressive than 12kg), when I look in the mirror I still look fat :-\The mirror lies, really, either way we see what we're expecting, at least to some extent. You're more likely to see the difference in photos than the mirror, though if your experience is anything like mine, it's others who'll notice more than you.
Wrists are also indicative.
Fewer folk wear watches nowadays but significant fat loss might require you to tighten your strap a notch or two.
Thanks both. Definitely better by the tape measure test - at least 4" off the waist. I guess what it is, as I've lost the overall covering of fat (my wedding ring is now consigned to a drawer awaiting reduction as it started slipping off!) the remaining areas - moobs and gut - are more obvious.
Fingers carry fat and fluid.As a pregnant woman I had to have mine cut off. And then again after I broke a (different) finger. I think life was telling me something- this ring is not for you.
As medical students, we were taught to check pregnant women's rings for tightness as sudden swelling could indicate the fluid retention of pre-eclampsia, a condition which threatens health and life of mother and child.
Fingers carry fat and fluid.
As medical students, we were taught to check pregnant women's rings for tightness as sudden swelling could indicate the fluid retention of pre-eclampsia, a condition which threatens health and life of mother and child.
I've put my scales away for the year, both the food and body ones. The cupboard is filled with festive goodies, some of which like bread, cheese and beer, I've hardly touched since July. If it's all gone by Tuesday, that's Ok, but there'll be no more...
Anyway, rambling over, well done to all those who have made progress, and good luck to all in 2021.
Wrists are also indicative.
Fewer folk wear watches nowadays but significant fat loss might require you to tighten your strap a notch or two.
Wrists are also indicative.
Fewer folk wear watches nowadays but significant fat loss might require you to tighten your strap a notch or two.
I dropped a hat size too, which kinda surprised me.
Having lost 2.5 stone I have noticed that my bum is smaller and I feel I want to raise my saddle ever so slightly to compensate. Anybody else noticed this?I haven't examined your bum.
Having lost 2.5 stone I have noticed that my bum is smaller and I feel I want to raise my saddle ever so slightly to compensate. Anybody else noticed this?
Has anyone here lost around 10 kg?
How do people decide what their target weight should be? I’m 180cm tall and according to the NHS info on BMI my healthy weight range is something like 66kg to 80kg. Most of my adult life my weight has been between 84 and 90kgs, so just getting down to 80kg seemed an obvious target. Once I got there I kept going, down to 78kgs. Obviously I now want to stay in the healthy range, but would it be better to target 75kg or even 70kg rather than 78?
My weight's up, despite two weeks of Dry January. ::-)
My weight's up, despite two weeks of Dry January. ::-)
It's not a surprise... we tend to replace an addiction with another one... you have probably replaced alcohol calories with other calories... biscuits, cake, chocolate, crisps or else...
Well, one step forward and all that. I’d dropped half a kilo from last week using the old scales. The new shiny Garmin scales increased my weight by 2kg. Sigh. Still the same target, but might just take me a bit longer!
Two weeks since we moved to the Isle of Lewis.
I'm running harder and more frequently (it is hilly here). Been for a 60km bike ride (hilly).
Put on 4kg!
My weight can fluctuate quickly, but that is ridiculous. Racing weight (a bit light) was 72kg and I was about 74kg at start of lockdown.
I'm 83kg now. :o
The waistband of my trousers confirms that there has been no commensurate loss of flesh.
However, I now need to establish exactly what my weight is. It makes some sense that the accuracy of my scales deteriorated as the batteries became exhausted. Looking at the recorded weights of the last two years (all on that same set of batteries), it remained fairly consistently between 83-88 kg, with the variations depending on how seriously I took being overweight. At 88kg, my recorded waist measurement was exactly what it is now. From the beginning of lockdown I have not worked, so I have not visited restaurants or been involved in big social get togethers, I've done more exercise than usual and even been fairly seriously ill, yet my weight (according to Garmin) increased from 87kg to 96kg. yet my clothes fit as they always did. The newly-rebatteried scale gave me a weight of 86.6kg. Hitherto, I would have regarded that as reasonable (FACVO reasonable...) whereas 96kg worried me enough to take on Dry January and the Tour de Zwift - neither of which apparently reduced my weight one iota.
Given that my gym remains shut, and I will not trouble my GP for the triviality of checking my weight, I may have to buy a set of scales simply as a double-check!
I'd like to agree, Helly, but I do like data and my poor branes are confused by conflicting data (measurements vs strange scales readouts). I have ordered a 'control' scales. Not vast amounts of money like the Garmin thing, but hopefully good enough to tell me whether it's right or has gone doolally.
That's my usual routine but it would be nice to have something trusted and reliable to use if at all possible.
That's my usual routine but it would be nice to have something trusted and reliable to use if at all possible.
My understanding is that with modern digital bathroom scales, consistent results can be obtained by using them in a consistent way. In other words, lack of reliability and accuracy is likely to be a user problem, not a device problem.
I think Fitbit's are as well. They reckon I'm running a calorie deficit of about 1000 a day and have been for ages, yet my weight loss is now pretty well glacial.Running good rules of thumb are -
Strava calories are bollocks, aren't they? I reckon the marginal energy use from a 2 hour ride is more like 350-400 kcal than the 1800 kcal Strava calculates.
Need a new plan, lost 30kg in the last seven months, now struggling to lose the last few, ideally another 7. I'm convinced that routine is the enemy of weight loss, I've tried a few diets and fitness programs and every one of them has worked for a while, then the effect has diminished as my body adapts. Like others, the calorie counting says I should be losing half a kg a week, and I'm not :-[
What next? 5/2 intermittent fasting worked well to kick this off, but daily life is a lot more active at present so not sure I could cope with that, I've tried Keto a couple of times but it didn't suit me, when the gyms re-open I'm thinking of trying some HIT sessions, open to suggestions.
Need a new plan, lost 30kg in the last seven months, now struggling to lose the last few, ideally another 7. I'm convinced that routine is the enemy of weight loss, I've tried a few diets and fitness programs and every one of them has worked for a while, then the effect has diminished as my body adapts. Like others, the calorie counting says I should be losing half a kg a week, and I'm not :-[
What next? 5/2 intermittent fasting worked well to kick this off, but daily life is a lot more active at present so not sure I could cope with that, I've tried Keto a couple of times but it didn't suit me, when the gyms re-open I'm thinking of trying some HIT sessions, open to suggestions.
If it starts to go back on, I will probably sign up for another programme, if not Noom, then the NHS version.I signed up to noom, but didn't last the two week free trial period. What's the NHS equivalent? Second Nature? I think that has some NHS involvement, I'm considering it. Or something else?
Good effort, that, Waffles! And good luck beardy!
A bear, however hard he tries,
Grows tubby without exercise.
Our Teddy Bear is short and fat,
Which is not to be wondered at;
He gets what exercise he can
By falling off the ottoman,
But generally seems to lack
The energy to clamber back.
Now tubbiness is just the thing
Which gets a fellow wondering;
And Teddy worried lots about
The fact that he was rather stout.
He thought: "If only I were thin!
But how does anyone begin?"
He thought: "It really isn't fair
To grudge me exercise and air."
For many weeks he pressed in vain
His nose against the window-pane,
And envied those who walked about
Reducing their unwanted stout.
None of the people he could see
"Is quite" (he said) "as fat as me!"
Then with a still more moving sigh,
"I mean" (he said) "as fat as I!"
Now Teddy, as was only right,
Slept in the ottoman at night,
And with him crowded in as well
More animals than I can tell;
Not only these, but books and things,
Such as a kind relation brings -
Old tales of "Once upon a time",
And history retold in rhyme.
One night it happened that he took
A peep at an old picture-book,
Wherein he came across by chance
The picture of a King of France
(A stoutish man) and, down below,
These words: "King Louis So and So,
Nicknamed 'The Handsome!' " There he sat,
And (think of it) the man was fat!
Our bear rejoiced like anything
To read about this famous King,
Nicknamed the "Handsome." Not a doubt
The man was definitely stout.
Why then, a bear (for all his tub)
Might yet be named "The Handsome Cub!"
"Might yet be named." Or did he mean
That years ago he "might have been"?
For now he felt a slight misgiving:
"Is Louis So and So still living?
Fashions in beauty have a way
Of altering from day to day.
Is 'Handsome Louis' with us yet?
Unfortunately I forget."
Next morning (nose to window-pane)
The doubt occurred to him again.
One question hammered in his head:
"Is he alive or is he dead?"
Thus, nose to pane, he pondered; but
The lattice window, loosely shut,
Swung open. With one startled "Oh!"
Our Teddy disappeared below.
There happened to be passing by
A plump man with a twinkling eye,
Who, seeing Teddy in the street,
Raised him politely on his feet,
And murmured kindly in his ear
Soft words of comfort and of cheer:
"Well, well!" "Allow me!" "Not at all."
"Tut-tut!" A very nasty fall."
Our Teddy answered not a word;
It's doubtful if he even heard.
Our bear could only look and look:
The stout man in the picture-book!
That "handsome" King - could this be he,
This man of adiposity?
"Impossible," he thought. "But still,
No harm in asking. Yes, I will!"
"Are you," he said, "by any chance
His Majesty the King of France?"
The other answered, "I am that,"
Bowed stiffly, and removed his hat;
Then said, "Excuse me," with an air
"But is it Mr. Edward Bear?"
And Teddy, bending very low,
Replied politely, "Even so!"
They stood beneath the window there,
The King and Mr. Edward Bear,
And, handsome, if a trifle fat,
Talked carelessly of this and that ...
Then said His Majesty, "Well, well,
I must get on," and rang the bell.
"Your bear, I think," he smiled. "Good-day!"
And turned, and went upon his way.
A bear, however hard he tries,
Grows tubby without exercise.
Our Teddy Bear is short and fat,
Which is not to be wondered at.
But do you think it worries him
To know that he is far from slim?
No, just the other way about -
He's proud of being short and stout.
Source: https://www.familyfriendpoems.com/poem/teddy-bear-by-aa-milne
I managed the not very strict target today, be under 100kg before my birthday, so a stone in 3 months or thereabouts. Though I needed the help of having a poop before the weigh in :)
I’ve had something of an epiphany this morning. Being signed up to a fancy food tracking service and tracking your meals doesn’t automatically cause weight loss. I think you’re also supposed to reduce the amount you eat and, well, avoid eating some of the crap :facepalm:
I can't afford Noom.Just on this point - I signed up for the free two week trial last year, decided it wasn't for me and cancelled, they then bombarded me with offers till I unsubscribed. I can't remember what the best was, at least 80% off a years subscription. I'd already decided it wasn't for me at any price.
I can't stand MyFitnessPal and it's calorie counting obsessive ways.
Surely it's more important to look at why you(one/I) eat what you eat and when you eat it, rather than just measuring inputs.
At the start of the year I set a target of 100kg by 31/12/21. I achieved it today, exactly half way through the year. I have set myself a new target of 90kg by 31/12/21.Did your GP advise you to lose weight (after consulting their bmi charts)?
I don’t think I have weighed less than 16 stones in the past 30 years. In this current spell of weight loss, which I started in early July last year, I have now lost just over ½ cwt, or 25 of your new-fangled kilograms ;) .
I’m feeling just slightly smug this morning.
At the start of the year I set a target of 100kg by 31/12/21. I achieved it today, exactly half way through the year. I have set myself a new target of 90kg by 31/12/21.Did your GP advise you to lose weight (after consulting their bmi charts)?
I don’t think I have weighed less than 16 stones in the past 30 years. In this current spell of weight loss, which I started in early July last year, I have now lost just over ½ cwt, or 25 of your new-fangled kilograms ;) .
I’m feeling just slightly smug this morning.
I have mentioned, somewhere in this thread, that one of the factors causing the increase in weight of the population as a whole is that our built environment is a lot warmer than it used to be. Double glazing, central heating and insulated houses all help.
Yesterday I had a concrete example of this. MrsC and I were manning a voting station in our village hall and, due to Covid, we had to have two doors open all the time. The station is open 7.00-22.00, so cold at both ends of the day and being a village hall--they have their own laws of thermodynamics--it was colder inside than out even when the day was at its best.
For a normal working day, if I don't go for a run, I very rarely hit my 'move' calorie target on my Apple Watch. I find it fairly easy to get the 30 minutes of 'exercise' in though. Yesterday I was well over the calories, but the exercise score was only 17 minutes. The only real difference between yesterday and a normal work day (apart from the hours thank $DEITY) was the temperature.
I'm quite interested in the recommended frequency of weighing oneself. Noom was definitely into a daily weigh-in in the first instance. I think as I had been using the app for somewhere near 6 months, they started to lighten up.I don't know it matters, whatever works for you. I dislike the weekly, or less frequent, weigh in, there's too many variables, enough to cause panic. I weigh myself every morning, I'm not concerned by the daily fluctuations, just the trend, I'll sometimes work out the weekly average though haven't bothered for a couple of months.
I have noticed that when eating more sugar and carbs than normal, I'm HUNGRY all the time.
I'll wager Wow's weight will be around 97kg on Wednesday 19 January...
Just remember weight yourself in the am before breakfast and after visit to the WC. That's when I see the biggest gains ;)
I'll wager Wow's weight will be around 97kg on Wednesday 19 January...I'll try! :P
First weigh in after xmas month+ of pigging out, there is now 4kgs extra of me !!
Boy Danish goodies does contain a fair amount of sugar
This year I promise only to pig out for a week only, not for a full month and a bit. But only way to guarantee your goodies arrive and there is some in stock is to order early ... dilemma ...
I am surprised to find after a little indulgence my weight had jumped to 77.2 Kg as expected. I have not finished Christmas, booze, booze and more booze. The surprise for me was that it is already back down to 24.3Kg.
I'll wager Wow's weight will be around 97kg on Wednesday 19 January...
Hyperthyroid - too much thyroid activity or Hypothyroid- too little?I was hyperthyroid, which meant I was 10 stone despite eating everything I could get my hands on. Then I was diagnosed and given carbimazole to sort it out, and put on 3 stone in not many months!
Hyperthyroid folk are often underweight.
I'll wager Wow's weight will be around 97kg on Wednesday 19 January...I was a week early! :D
Salt, carbs and fat :- what's not to lose????
Id like to lose weight. 20 lbs over 6 months or even 8 months. At 6' 1" and relatively light frame, my weight is currently 13 stone 3 lbs. Ill be 62 in 1 week.
Several reasons for wanting weight loss ( only bodyfat if possible) are as follows.
1. Quite strong genetic predisposition to T2 diabetes on maternal side, none on paternal side. Mum one of6 siblings all had heart attacks, all survived and had heart bypasses. They didnt look fat but as i remember they were all thick round the middle with thin arms and legs.
2.Back in mid 80s i weighed 11 stone 2lb and was a distance runner 1:21 for aHM. Im not trying to be that fast or that weight again but getting to 11 stone 10 lb ought to be attainable.
I can still run and cycle fairly well but before i get properly old id like to get in good shape.
Ive never attempted to lose weight so im entering a new territory. Have any forum members been very sensible for a period of 6 months plus and lost around 20 lb. Bear in mind im 6'1". If ive posted on the wrong thread i apologise, but i dont know where else that has sensible people as per this forum.
Have any forum members been very sensible for a period of 6 months plus and lost around 20 lb. Bear in mind im 6'1". If ive posted on the wrong thread i apologise, but i dont know where else that has sensible people as per this forum.
I've lost the plot rather in recent weeks because of some rather brutal bits of Real Life that have come my way. But hopefully have now turned a corner and will be back on the straight & narrow.
Id like to lose weight. 20 lbs over 6 months or even 8 months.
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Have any forum members been very sensible for a period of 6 months plus and lost around 20 lb. Bear in mind im 6'1". If ive posted on the wrong thread i apologise, but i dont know where else that has sensible people as per this forum.
Id like to lose weight. 20 lbs over 6 months or even 8 months.
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Have any forum members been very sensible for a period of 6 months plus and lost around 20 lb. Bear in mind im 6'1". If ive posted on the wrong thread i apologise, but i dont know where else that has sensible people as per this forum.
I lost that sort of amount, some ten years ago, over a longer time frame. I've regained about half of this during and since lockdown, enjoying much cake and chocolate…
I'm unable to weigh myself now as I'm too wobbly to stand on scales and only have clothing fit as a measure. - I'm in my 'medium' trousers. I've had these 10 years and the fabric doesn't stretch…
I made a variety of 'rules' about food and eating, mostly at home. Social eating is to be enjoyed in moderation. There are nearly 50 weeks per year that are not holiday, birthday, Christmas or New Year and it's the eating habits for these will govern long-term weight. (Short-term gains at Christmas etc mostly vanish soon after sensible eating resumes, so long as it does resume.)
Weight loss is something consenting adults do in private. Boring others with your tales is tiresome and replying 'No way!' to an offer of cake strikes me as offensive.
Rules
* All food is to be enjoyed; if you don't like it, don't eat it. Waste of Calories! (For example, savoury pastry is something I personally don't really love.)
* Don't drink sugar.
* Avoid CRAP foods (mostly)
Carbonated sugary drinks
Refined carbohydrates
Artificial foods
Processed foods
* Limit portion sizes of other foods to around 60% of what you'd like.
* Wait 4 hours between feeds unless exercising.
* Don't eat unless you're hungry.
* Don't get stuffed; it's unpleasant and unhealthy.
Don't obsess/fret over a single weight recording; the issue is a long-term trend.
A tape measure is your friend. If you are consistent with its use, it will repay you with quality information.
Steak, salad and strawberries are fine foods for an omnivore who wants to lose weight...
To manage food I’ve variously used keto and strict time restricted eating - once a day for a period. Ignore the macro stuff - keto was a very effective way for me to restrict calorific intake as. Just didn’t/couldn’t eat as much. Keto, however, stopped me being able to do the hard sprints bits in my running. I actually quite liked the salad and meat aspect but I struggle with the necessary ignoring of climate impact it entails. I preferred eating once a day and having a run at lunchtime.
between last Fri and Mon morn, after dropping MrsC off at the airport, I did this:
4km jog
4km fast walk with dog, followed by 10km brisk paddle (which I've later regretted, as I've strained my left shoulder).
5km fast walk with dog, followed by 2hrs of sawing and hauling wood from a tree/shrub.
Moderate eating, more protein than usual, no snacks.
I put on 0.5kg :facepalm:
I'm stuck at 107kg and need to do something about it. Hopefully upcoming retirement will encourage me to get out & become more active.
There has been a lot of stuff in the press recently about drugs intended to treat diabetes being used for weight loss. Writer Charles Stross lost 20% of his body weight in 20 weeks, but suffered constant low level nausea. https://wandering.shop/@cstross/109581182633674741
Jeremy Clarkson has also said he's been using them successfully. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/jeremy-clarkson-weight-loss-ozempic-b2263254.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/feb/05/new-diabetes-drugs-do-not-tackle-root-causes-of-obesity-experts-warn
I could see the benefit if you'd been told to lose weight prior to surgery for example, but wouldn't fancy having to take such things long term unless medically advised.
As part of its strategy, Novo Nordisk paid £21.7m to health organisations and professionals who in some cases went on to praise the treatment without always making clear their links to the firm, an Observer investigation has found.
Among the vocal champions of the Wegovy jabs was a clinical expert who gave evidence to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) and others who publicly praised the so-called “skinny jabs” as a “gamechanger”.
Weight down by a could of hundred grams, i.e. no change.between last Fri and Mon morn, after dropping MrsC off at the airport, I did this:
4km jog
4km fast walk with dog, followed by 10km brisk paddle (which I've later regretted, as I've strained my left shoulder).
5km fast walk with dog, followed by 2hrs of sawing and hauling wood from a tree/shrub.
Moderate eating, more protein than usual, no snacks.
I put on 0.5kg :facepalm:
And that is what happens when you exercise, the muscles swell swell, water shifts etc.
A tape measure will reassure you you are no fatter.
Frequent weighing can make you fret...
Has anyone signed up to Zoe nutrition programme yet?
Here is a podcast on gut health: https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9e9d2f54-6c10-4112-abe3-c33037058b00/49-5-Best-of-Gut-Health-anniversary-edition-mixed.mp3
https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnBakerMD/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRds3IKwIXc&t=1200s
https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@drekberg/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rz-8H_i1wA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4BacckOv98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXYfxmQV2A
Its true that you cant outrun a bad diet.The simple fact is, regardless of how you count it, you have to eat less energy than you use. The simplest, in terms of quantity, way to do that is through calories. There are as with everything in life, caveats. If yiu just found calories, you can easily eat an unhealthy diet and it is incumbent on you to avoid that. Many people would argue that a lot of the restrictive diet plans are inherently unhealthy in the pursuit of simplicity. I am not a dietitian and this refrain from such claims , but will say that in counting calories I am accepting that the diet composition falls to me to control.
Counting calories has problems as well.
But have a look on youtube for people thriving on low carb high fat or keto or carnivore diets.
3kg in 3 weeks is a ridiculous amount to lose. 1kg of fat is about 7500 calories, so that would mean a deficit of 1000 calories per day. Completely unsustainable and probably not real at all. I weigh myself most mornings and the daily fluctuation due to water loss/retention and toilet usage can easily be more than 1 kg.Not at all ridiculous. It is now the recommended method of losing weight, reversing insulin resistance, reversing fatty liver for people with Type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome and an increasing number of conditions. Diet was developed by a professor of Diabetes at Newcastle University medical school with professor of nutrition in Glasgow and has now been trialled worldwide with the same results.
As a result of the new understanding of type 2 diabetes, NHS England has conducted a pilot scheme to determine the most cost effective way of delivering remission of type 2 diabetes. In the first few thousand people, weight loss was a remarkable 10.3kg. This success led to the scheme being rolled out as a national programme throughout England. It requires referral from a general practitioner to join this 12 month programme. All participants have to be aged 25 to 65 years and diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in the last 6 years. At present, participants have to have a BMI over 27kg/m2. Full details are available on: https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/low-calorie-diets/
Abstract
Objective To test the effectiveness and safety of a total diet replacement (TDR) programme for routine treatment of obesity in a primary care setting.
Design Pragmatic, two arm, parallel group, open label, individually randomised controlled trial.
Setting 10 primary care practices in Oxfordshire, UK.
Participants 278 adults who were obese and seeking support to lose weight: 138 were assigned to the TDR programme and 140 to usual care. 73% of participants were re-measured at 12 months.
Interventions The TDR programme comprised weekly behavioural support for 12 weeks and monthly support for three months, with formula food products providing 810 kcal/day (3389 kJ/day) as the sole food during the first eight weeks followed by reintroduction of food. Usual care comprised behavioural support for weight loss from a practice nurse and a diet programme with modest energy restriction.
Main outcome measures The primary outcome was weight change at 12 months analysed as intention to treat with mixed effects models. Secondary outcomes included biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic risk. Adverse events were recorded.
Results Participants in the TDR group lost more weight (−10.7 kg) than those in the usual care group (−3.1 kg): adjusted mean difference −7.2 kg (95% confidence interval −9.4 to −4.9 kg). 45% of participants in the TDR group and 15% in the usual care group experienced weight losses of 10% or more. The TDR group showed greater improvements in biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic risk than the usual care group. 11% of participants in the TDR group and 12% in the usual care group experienced adverse events of moderate or greater severity.
Conclusions Compared with regular weight loss support from a practice nurse, a programme of weekly behavioural support and total diet replacement providing 810 kcal/day seems to be tolerable, and leads to substantially greater weight loss and greater improvements in the risk of cardiometabolic disease.
Trial registration International Standard Randomised Controlled Trials No ISRCTN75092026.
It's a shame the NHS are so inconsistent with recommending it.I agree it is very inconsistent. I have found the books by Michael Mosley, a GP, very helpful. I don’t think most of us need the counselling - we want to lose weight. We need advice on what 800calories is and how to feed ourselves.
I went to (Durham & Darlington Trust) NHS weight loss stuff for a while - mostly to get access to the 'relationship with food' therapy. The diet they were expecting me to follow, requested, based on my mass, NINE portions of carbs a day.
When I pointed out this was not the diet Diabetes UK recommended, they told me that I shouldn't be surprised I'm not losing weight when I wasn't following their recommendations which are based on 'evidence' and 'scientific research'. Most of the participants were there as a precursor to bariatric surgery. The CBT I did with them was a bit shite too.
It's a shame the NHS are so inconsistent with recommending it.I agree it is very inconsistent. I have found the books by Michael Mosley, a GP, very helpful. I don’t think most of us need the counselling - we want to lose weight. We need advice on what 800calories is and how to feed ourselves.
I went to (Durham & Darlington Trust) NHS weight loss stuff for a while - mostly to get access to the 'relationship with food' therapy. The diet they were expecting me to follow, requested, based on my mass, NINE portions of carbs a day.
When I pointed out this was not the diet Diabetes UK recommended, they told me that I shouldn't be surprised I'm not losing weight when I wasn't following their recommendations which are based on 'evidence' and 'scientific research'. Most of the participants were there as a precursor to bariatric surgery. The CBT I did with them was a bit shite too.
3kg in 3 weeks is a ridiculous amount to lose. 1kg of fat is about 7500 calories, so that would mean a deficit of 1000 calories per day. Completely unsustainable and probably not real at all. I weigh myself most mornings and the daily fluctuation due to water loss/retention and toilet usage can easily be more than 1 kg.
what happens to past weight reports, ie 2023,22,21 etc are they still around, would be good to check oneself against previous oneself's's at a particular time of year, ie NOW . ;)
what happens to past weight reports, ie 2023,22,21 etc are they still around, would be good to check oneself against previous oneself's's at a particular time of year, ie NOW . ;)
Yes, still around, just buried deep.
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=124822.0
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=121912.0
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=117930.0
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=114399.0
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=110612.0
Whey protein after weight lifting. Then 3 rashers of bacon and a microwave egg for lunch. Mid afternoon is knorr stockpot in 500ml of hot water.It's a shame the NHS are so inconsistent with recommending it.I agree it is very inconsistent. I have found the books by Michael Mosley, a GP, very helpful. I don’t think most of us need the counselling - we want to lose weight. We need advice on what 800calories is and how to feed ourselves.
I went to (Durham & Darlington Trust) NHS weight loss stuff for a while - mostly to get access to the 'relationship with food' therapy. The diet they were expecting me to follow, requested, based on my mass, NINE portions of carbs a day.
When I pointed out this was not the diet Diabetes UK recommended, they told me that I shouldn't be surprised I'm not losing weight when I wasn't following their recommendations which are based on 'evidence' and 'scientific research'. Most of the participants were there as a precursor to bariatric surgery. The CBT I did with them was a bit shite too.
800 calories is a bit less than the daily average provided in a nazi concentration camp… although of course proteins were harder to come by.
For what is worth, a supermarket double sandwich pack with egg and cress on granary is about 400kcal… living on two of those a day, or the equivalent, for a long stint must be my definition of hell on earth. Respect if you can keep going and function
Has anyone signed up to Zoe nutrition programme yet?
Here is a podcast on gut health: https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9e9d2f54-6c10-4112-abe3-c33037058b00/49-5-Best-of-Gut-Health-anniversary-edition-mixed.mp3
Missed that post. I signed up and I’m still doing it, although my “membership” comes to an end soon. I have found it really useful. I wasn’t overweight to start with so I did it out of interest and because I was a bit concerned about my sugar intake. Gut health assessment result was “poor”. Everything else (how I handle fat and sugar) was OK, though better for fats. The most useful part of the process, for me, was wearing the glucose monitor. Two of the things that caused the largest blood glucose spikes were porridge and bananas. Porridge surprised me as I had thought it was “slow release” but not so for me. In general, for me, any kind of grain is bad, regardless of form. Even the “healthiest” of mueslis etc. Potatoes: bad.
I now eat much less rice, potato, pasta, porridge, don’t have any kind of cereal, and I eat a lot more nuts, legumes and leafy stuff, amongst other changes that essentially amount to an increase in variety.
[Edited to add: which all may seem elementary, but until I logged and analysed my diet and used the Zoe food scoring, I was not aware of the impact of eating a relatively small amount of “bad” foods even when eating mostly good things. One or two portions of relatively poor quality foods (as per Zoe scoring) is enough to undo a day of eating optimally aside from that portion or two.]
Can poo for England.
My main criticism of the Zoe thing is that for the price it really should include a follow-up blood and shite test.
3kg in 3 weeks is a ridiculous amount to lose. 1kg of fat is about 7500 calories, so that would mean a deficit of 1000 calories per day. Completely unsustainable and probably not real at all. I weigh myself most mornings and the daily fluctuation due to water loss/retention and toilet usage can easily be more than 1 kg.Not at all ridiculous. It is now the recommended method of losing weight, reversing insulin resistance, reversing fatty liver for people with Type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome and an increasing number of conditions. Diet was developed by a professor of Diabetes at Newcastle University medical school with professor of nutrition in Glasgow and has now been trialled worldwide with the same results.
Main outcome measures The primary outcome was weight change at 12 months analysed as intention to treat with mixed effects models. Secondary outcomes included biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic risk. Adverse events were recorded.
Results Participants in the TDR group lost more weight (−10.7 kg)...
Weight loss isn't linear.
I start on 12 February, four weeks "food" is sitting in a box, in the kitchen. Total diet replacement is only for the first 12 weeks, you are expected to lose 10kg or 10% of your body weight in that time.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240201/2bc81e81dddeebaf0e1a011d6bb5e65f.jpg)3kg in 3 weeks is a ridiculous amount to lose. 1kg of fat is about 7500 calories, so that would mean a deficit of 1000 calories per day. Completely unsustainable and probably not real at all. I weigh myself most mornings and the daily fluctuation due to water loss/retention and toilet usage can easily be more than 1 kg.Not at all ridiculous. It is now the recommended method of losing weight, reversing insulin resistance, reversing fatty liver for people with Type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome and an increasing number of conditions. Diet was developed by a professor of Diabetes at Newcastle University medical school with professor of nutrition in Glasgow and has now been trialled worldwide with the same results.
https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation (https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation)QuoteAs a result of the new understanding of type 2 diabetes, NHS England has conducted a pilot scheme to determine the most cost effective way of delivering remission of type 2 diabetes. In the first few thousand people, weight loss was a remarkable 10.3kg. This success led to the scheme being rolled out as a national programme throughout England. It requires referral from a general practitioner to join this 12 month programme. All participants have to be aged 25 to 65 years and diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in the last 6 years. At present, participants have to have a BMI over 27kg/m2. Full details are available on: https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/low-calorie-diets/
and
https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/362/bmj.k3760.full.pdf (https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/362/bmj.k3760.full.pdf)QuoteAbstract
Objective To test the effectiveness and safety of a total diet replacement (TDR) programme for routine treatment of obesity in a primary care setting.
Design Pragmatic, two arm, parallel group, open label, individually randomised controlled trial.
Setting 10 primary care practices in Oxfordshire, UK.
Participants 278 adults who were obese and seeking support to lose weight: 138 were assigned to the TDR programme and 140 to usual care. 73% of participants were re-measured at 12 months.
Interventions The TDR programme comprised weekly behavioural support for 12 weeks and monthly support for three months, with formula food products providing 810 kcal/day (3389 kJ/day) as the sole food during the first eight weeks followed by reintroduction of food. Usual care comprised behavioural support for weight loss from a practice nurse and a diet programme with modest energy restriction.
Main outcome measures The primary outcome was weight change at 12 months analysed as intention to treat with mixed effects models. Secondary outcomes included biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic risk. Adverse events were recorded.
Results Participants in the TDR group lost more weight (−10.7 kg) than those in the usual care group (−3.1 kg): adjusted mean difference −7.2 kg (95% confidence interval −9.4 to −4.9 kg). 45% of participants in the TDR group and 15% in the usual care group experienced weight losses of 10% or more. The TDR group showed greater improvements in biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic risk than the usual care group. 11% of participants in the TDR group and 12% in the usual care group experienced adverse events of moderate or greater severity.
Conclusions Compared with regular weight loss support from a practice nurse, a programme of weekly behavioural support and total diet replacement providing 810 kcal/day seems to be tolerable, and leads to substantially greater weight loss and greater improvements in the risk of cardiometabolic disease.
Trial registration International Standard Randomised Controlled Trials No ISRCTN75092026.
Don’t worry!
There are big fluid shifts associated with the carbs in your diet.
A big initial weight loss isn’t fat.
Don’t let disappointment with a temporary blip turn into a major failure to reduce body fat.
Persistence and ‘good habits’ are the only sustainable ways to lose body fat...
Michael Mosley?
Michael Mosley?
YEah, - not a couple who can blow £5k on takeaways a year.
After a serious talking to from the cardiologist, I'm once again trying to lose weight (he's referred me into Tier 2 services and will refer me into Tier 3 if I don't lose enough weight in 12 weeks). I'm also hoping to do the last part of the Via Francigena at the end of May. So now:.
- Intermittent fasting 16:8, with my eating window between 12 midday and 8.00 pm.
- Into the gym 6 mornings a week. 2 HIIT classes, 2 weights classes and 2 body conditioning classes over the week.
- No alcohol.
- Low carb diet.
- Vegetarian main meals three times a week.
- Sunday (my gym rest day) means a long walk.
- Attending Slimming World (not for the diet but the weekly weigh-in and accountability)
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I lost 3.5kgs last week. I'm hoping I can get another 2kg off this week.
I'd be happy with a 1-2kg loss per week but know that I'll plateau at some time in the next few weeks. That's when I find things tend to go awry. So I'm also seeing a hypnotherapist (it helped me give up smoking so I'm seeing if it can help me with the weight loss).
I have a lot of weight to lose...
Quite happily maintaining a calorie deficient lower carb diet atm with no alcohol. Have lost 10kg since December but for now seem to have plateaud. Would like to lose another 10kg. Not in any particular rush but will be glad to see a significat reduction of visceral fat. Need some decent weather to dust the bike off as getting out and about on the bike has tailed off significantly.
After a serious talking to from the cardiologist, I'm once again trying to lose weight (he's referred me into Tier 2 services and will refer me into Tier 3 if I don't lose enough weight in 12 weeks). I'm also hoping to do the last part of the Via Francigena at the end of May. So now:
- Intermittent fasting 16:8, with my eating window between 12 midday and 8.00 pm.
- Into the gym 6 mornings a week. 2 HIIT classes, 2 weights classes and 2 body conditioning classes over the week.
- No alcohol.
- Low carb diet.
- Vegetarian main meals three times a week.
- Sunday (my gym rest day) means a long walk.
- Attending Slimming World (not for the diet but the weekly weigh-in and accountability)
I lost 3.5kgs last week. I'm hoping I can get another 2kg off this week.
I'd be happy with a 1-2kg loss per week but know that I'll plateau at some time in the next few weeks. That's when I find things tend to go awry. So I'm also seeing a hypnotherapist (it helped me give up smoking so I'm seeing if it can help me with the weight loss).
I have a lot of weight to lose...
I've restricted snacks, resisted having seconds in the evening. Exercised every day, some days vigourously, mostly about 40min.
Put on a kilo in a week.
FFS
According to the not-reliable scale measurements, I've put on 800g of muscle.I've restricted snacks, resisted having seconds in the evening. Exercised every day, some days vigourously, mostly about 40min.
Put on a kilo in a week.
FFS
You may have put on muscle.
Look for the non-weight positives (looser clothing, fewer aches and pains, etc). Don’t get wedded to progress only coming from the scales.
Every time I lose a little - I then plateau for a while - I’m kinda used to it now because I’ve been trying to do it in a sustainable way so I have to accept that it’s slower than it could be in the hope that it’ll stay off. I’d love to say woo ! I’ve lost 17kg but at 184cm I was a whopping 110kg