Are medals readily available at the finish or do you have to wait until your brevet card has been authenticated?
Perhaps this should be a sticky & unstick poor old Mrs Miles.+1
Does anyone know of any listed permanents that go through Dartmoor?
Perhaps this should be a sticky & unstick poor old Mrs Miles.+1
Do you need a GPS thingymibob?
One of the main reasons I enjoy cycling is that all I need (apart from the bike, obviously) is some water and a bit of grub. The idea of Audax appeals greatly, although I admit I'm a bit apprehensive as it involves being around people *shudders* ;D plus the rules and checkpoints and stuff.
It just seems to tip the balance between an affordable, enjoyable get-away-from-it-all hobby into yet another activity that now requires an expensive electronic gadget.
One of the main reasons I enjoy cycling is that all I need (apart from the bike, obviously) is some water and a bit of grub. The idea of Audax appeals greatly, although I admit I'm a bit apprehensive as it involves being around people *shudders* ;D plus the rules and checkpoints and stuff.
So if you don't have a GPS thingy, what are the quality of directions like?
So if you don't have a GPS thingy, what are the quality of directions like?
A different question.The El Supremo perm Seaford-Yalding uses a shop. It had only just opened when i arrived and that was after leaving Mayfield at 5am. Maybe aslo a Permit to travel or a train ticket? perhaps not central enough..... have a look at the shop opening hours. a trip to google might help.....
Does anyone know if it is easy to get a control in Yalding (Kent), particularly on Sundays? Any suggestions (I'll probably be starting a ride from there at around 8am and probably finishing 8pm ish plus or minus an hour).
Do you need a GPS thingymibob?Not in the least. but if you want to fritter away simply oceans of time in the evenings instead of watching Strictly Come Policeman Drama Hospital Vet Fluffy Pet Fat People Being Stupid then they are absolutely super-califragilistic and super. Ho yes. As for telling you where to go, they are helpful on long rides but not really on short ones.
A different question.
Does anyone know if it is easy to get a control in Yalding (Kent), particularly on Sundays? Any suggestions (I'll probably be starting a ride from there at around 8am and probably finishing 8pm ish plus or minus an hour).
Do you need a GPS thingymibob?Not in the least. but if you want to fritter away simply oceans of time in the evenings instead of watching Strictly Come Policeman Drama Hospital Vet Fluffy Pet Fat People Being Stupid then they are absolutely super-califragilistic and super. Ho yes. As for telling you where to go, they are helpful on long rides but not really on short ones.
Before getting off at Honiton I realised that I forgot to transfer my route file to the little GPS machine. Not again (did same thing last year for the Kernow&SW). I had lovingly modified IanH's track, added a couple of symbols and notes, including a different route through Barnstaple and now it was on the wrong computer. Garmins can talk to each other via wireless so Panoramix and I gave it a try at the start. It looked a bit like a Garmin breeding business. After some initial success, we had cried victory to early (Panoramix's words) as Edge and Dakota couldn't finish their business. Luckily Feline had the right cable with her, so I was able to quickly download Ian's original track via tourist office's PC.
Ok cheers, might give one a go.
Do you need to be in some sort of club or anything or do you just put your name down as wanting to take part?
Whereishas Mrs Miles gone?
OK, so someone with a really strong sense of their bearings and direction and good at finding their way, a route sheet should be easily doable?
At the minute I look up my routes on Google maps and then cast them to memory before going out, granted it's not 200 or 300ks worth of directions but around 50-70 miles.
+1 to what Jaded said about forgetting 15 seconds after you just read the sheet what the next instruction is :facepalm:
OK, so someone with a really strong sense of their bearings and direction and good at finding their way, a route sheet should be easily doable?
OK, so someone with a really strong sense of their bearings and direction and good at finding their way, a route sheet should be easily doable?
We all managed to get round fine with routesheets in the pre-GPS days and I don't think the standards of routesheets have dropped at all.
I'd recommend trying to trace where the routesheet goes on a map before the event as it often makes it a lot clearer on the ride. If you know some of the towns, villages or landmarks you should pass en route it offers a bit of reassurance when you're riding.
If anything they've improved (based on comments from veterans).OK, so someone with a really strong sense of their bearings and direction and good at finding their way, a route sheet should be easily doable?
We all managed to get round fine with routesheets in the pre-GPS days and I don't think the standards of routesheets have dropped at all.
I think the recent resurgence in cycling has bought with it a lot of people who can throw lots of money at a new hobby, those that can jump straight in with a Ti bike and £400s worth of GPS, that's not a criticism BTW, but for relative newbies to these things it gives the impression that you need all this stuff. I hear or read very little of people who do this on a modest/realistic budget.
Back on topic- my concerns have been answered above. I was worried that with the rise of GPS that the written route sheets would have consequently suffered, I'm glad to hear they haven't and I'll try and get hold of one to look at.
Thanks for all the help.
For what it's worth, I rode the 99 PBP on a forty year old fixed wheel with a bottle dynamo (£7.00), no gps, computer or any other gadgetry. I reckon I clocked over 1,200 miles during that seven day period.
Yup. Plus the YACF luddites are hardly likely to post...
I hear or read very little of people who do this on a modest/realistic budget.
The riders who are fairly anti-technology probably don't have a computer and so don't post on this forum at all ;D
For what it's worth, I rode the 99 PBP on a forty year old fixed wheel with a bottle dynamo (£7.00), no gps, computer or any other gadgetry. I reckon I clocked over 1,200 miles during that seven day period.
But if you'd had GPS you'd have finished it in four days only having covered 750 miles :)
IGMC
I don't use GPS ha ha ha
Reasons
Weight, faff, geeky, they break.
I love my cheap plastic & very light paper holder. No problems :)
Why do people with GPS take the wrong turn on audax events ?
Why do people with GPS take the wrong turn on audax events ?
Because it doesn't do the steering for you. Generally it's down to user error. You have to look at it and read what it is telling you to do correctly. Most of my navigation errors have been down to chatting away with someone and not noticing that it's had been telling me to make a turn.
At least with a GPS there are easy ways to spot that you've taken a wrong turn (again, only if you look at it).
Why do people with GPS take the wrong turn on audax events ?
QuoteMy Rixen & Kaul map holder I used to use weighs about the same as my GPS. The Edge 705 is a mere 105g.
Faffing done upfront. Once you get used to it, on the ride a GPS is much less faff than a routesheet. No refolding/adjusting when you get to the next page, etc.
Geeky? Not a problem, I'm a geek.
They break? Possibly. Never had one break on me and I always carry the routesheet as backup anyway. If I need to navigate by routesheet I wrap it round the bars (in one of the plastic bags in case of rain) and hold it in place with a rubber band (usually the red ones left by the postman).
This is my favourite thread at the moment.
Yeah but Rixen Kaul map holders are made from old war tanks. Mines a super duper cheap lightweight conversion. Built in my shed
I get the impression that some are allowing the gps to navigate them to the next control by whatever devious means it chooses.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwUFI3BJqJFIWCyOvvm2WecyD_B7cMP-O9R0s47f5wdc5wHSDa)
Why do people with GPS take the wrong turn on audax events ?
Because it doesn't do the steering for you. Generally it's down to user error. You have to look at it and read what it is telling you to do correctly. Most of my navigation errors have been down to chatting away with someone and not noticing that it's had been telling me to make a turn.
At least with a GPS there are easy ways to spot that you've taken a wrong turn (again, only if you look at it).
Why do people with GPS take the wrong turn on audax events ?
Because it doesn't do the steering for you. Generally it's down to user error. You have to look at it and read what it is telling you to do correctly. Most of my navigation errors have been down to chatting away with someone and not noticing that it's had been telling me to make a turn.
At least with a GPS there are easy ways to spot that you've taken a wrong turn (again, only if you look at it).
Mine bleeps at me within 6 feet if I go off route ;D
Actually for me one of the mahoosive benefits of GPS is that you can see it in the dark and it doesn't disintegrate into papier mache in the rain!
Actually for me one of the mahoosive benefits of GPS is that you can see it in the dark and it doesn't disintegrate into papier mache in the rain!
Actually for me one of the mahoosive benefits of GPS is that you can see it in the dark and it doesn't disintegrate into papier mache in the rain!
Head torch and plastic bag?
Actually for me one of the mahoosive benefits of GPS is that you can see it in the dark and it doesn't disintegrate into papier mache in the rain!
Head torch and plastic bag?
I actually had my route sheet disintegrate into mush inside a Carradice plastic map holder on one wet 200k back in February.
My Garmin Edge weighs less than a head torch and I don't have to wear it on my head :thumbsup:
Head torch and plastic bag?
Actually for me one of the mahoosive benefits of GPS is that you can see it in the dark and it doesn't disintegrate into papier mache in the rain!
Head torch and plastic bag?
I actually had my route sheet disintegrate into mush inside a Carradice plastic map holder on one wet 200k back in February.
My Garmin Edge weighs less than a head torch and I don't have to wear it on my head :thumbsup:
headtorch & Ortlieb map case :smug:
I just used the rolls of sticky backed plastic sheet, no need for the expense of a laminator.
I just used the rolls of sticky backed plastic sheet, no need for the expense of a laminator.
My laminator cost £15 from Tesco ;D
My kids sometimes use it for things too, it's pretty handy!
Alternatively, choose a ride on which the instructions are very simple, e.g.
R from control onto A4
Ride to Bath
Retrace
Which I vaguely recall being mentioned in Arrivee once (possibly an Audax Myth?)
On the topic of route sheet disintegration
I have ridden lots of wet audaxes in the past few years
I always have the route sheet clipped to the bars on a homemade holder with no weather protection. It is just a bit of paper on a board. I usually have a spare copy of the paper route sheet
Often it gets wet and has to be handled with care if it needs turning over. But I only had it actually disintegrate once, during a very very wet ride ( I think possibly the wettest ever ) and that was at the end of the route. I had memorised the last couple of instructions so it didn't matter
So given that it has only happened once to me in 5 years worth of riding the risk of "disintegration" and all the effort that people put in with lamination could well be misplaced
In that case I strongly recommend you avoid entering any audax that I have also entered, because I've ridden 3 so far this year in rainfall of biblical proportions ;D
In that case I strongly recommend you avoid entering any audax that I have also entered, because I've ridden 3 so far this year in rainfall of biblical proportions ;D
In that case I strongly hope that you are not riding the World's End 200k on Sunday :hand:
In that case I strongly recommend you avoid entering any audax that I have also entered, because I've ridden 3 so far this year in rainfall of biblical proportions ;D
In that case I strongly hope that you are not riding the World's End 200k on Sunday :hand:
In that case I strongly recommend you avoid entering any audax that I have also entered, because I've ridden 3 so far this year in rainfall of biblical proportions ;D
In that case I strongly hope that you are not riding the World's End 200k on Sunday :hand:
I heard the organiser just took delivery of a shipment of gopher wood ;)
Actually for me one of the mahoosive benefits of GPS is that you can see it in the dark and it doesn't disintegrate into papier mache in the rain!
Head torch and plastic bag?
If you save the plastic bags given with your brevet card, you soon have an adequate
Actually for me one of the mahoosive benefits of GPS is that you can see it in the dark and it doesn't disintegrate into papier mache in the rain!
Head torch and plastic bag?
I tried that but the guy who ripped it off when I was suffocating said "that's the weirdest perversion I've ever seen".
You are George Michael AICMFP
Mine bleeps at me within 6 feet if I go off route ;D
You are George Michael AICMFP
I claim my five pounds???
Showing your age there Jogs
Mine bleeps at me within 6 feet if I go off route ;D
all the effort that people put in with lamination could well be misplaced
all the effort that people put in with lamination could well be misplaced
Laminating is fun!
What are the time limits for each distance? I don't seem to be able to find a simple list ???
What are the time limits for each distance? I don't seem to be able to find a simple list ???
Mostly between 15kph and 30 kph average speed, although the minimum goes down to 12 kph for 'Populaire' events (these are denoted by BP rather than BR/BRM). you should find it next to each event in the Audax UK calendar on the website.
It effectively means that you have between 6.7 and 13.3 hours to do a 200k, although if the event is over distance (e.g. 215km) you can get a little bit of extra time.
What are the time limits for each distance? I don't seem to be able to find a simple list ???
GB you might have just scared the guy off Audax for life that is so complicated ;D;D
...Well I was going to post that it's in the FAQ, but I know how much people enjoy explaining this stuff so I kept quiet ... ;)
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All of that and then I find this: AUDAX Max and Min speed (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13934.0)
And to answer the original question:-What are the time limits for each distance? I don't seem to be able to find a simple list ???
200km - 13h30 BRM
300km - 20h BRM
400km - 27h BRM
600km - 40h BRM
1000km - 75h BRM (possibly 75h11)
1200km - 90h BRM
1400km - 116h
BR rides you possibly get a bit extra for the lower minimum average speed and over-distance bits.
GB you might have just scared the guy off Audax for life that is so complicated ;D
So if you don't have a GPS thingy, what are the quality of directions like?
How am I supposed to road-test a new light AND bank some sleep for the weekend's 400k? Hmmm?
As an aside - since I was headscratching over what BR and BRM meant - there's some info on both here:
http://www.cambridge-cycling-club.org.uk/pdfs/audax_virgin_part1.pdf
(I daresay it may be elsewhere but it wasn't exactly at the forefront of any google searches..)
One - probably very silly-question...recently I was looking at surrey events (since being effectively carless - mostly by choice - which means getting anywhere else for a start time probably isn't gonna happen), then realised they were either within a week, or some way off.
I do realise organisers need time to get ..eer..organised, but do they tend to be *very* strict on attempted late entries ? (eg on a 2 week cutoff). It could, of course, vary with organisers, I guess...
A different question.
Does anyone know if it is easy to get a control in Yalding (Kent), particularly on Sundays? Any suggestions (I'll probably be starting a ride from there at around 8am and probably finishing 8pm ish plus or minus an hour).
A “grey hair” suggested as a strategy to treat the event as 3 - 400`s.
... it looks to me as when you enter on the line (not online) the organiser doesn't know your AUK number and so you don't get credited with the ride. The system doesn't seem to be smart enough to recognise you ...
... some will process online entries 'properly' (assuming you put your membership number on the entry form you signed at the start) but you've obviously found one or more who don't. Some won't handle online entries at all.There should be a fine for this error ::-)
Is it possible to get a 400km medal if you do a 400 perm or is it only on organised rides?
Question for South East riders.
I'm plotting out a 200km hilly permanent for the south east (intending to list it formally if it works out and is a nice enough ride). Ideally, it would have a physical control around Keston - to save me a ride/drive out and a random hunt, does anyone have any suggestions of petrol stations (with opening hours), shops ATMs etc? I'm thinking Hayes, which look like it has some options?
PS. Route is planned to be something like:
Edenbridge - Swanley - Langton Green - Battle - Mayfield - Forest Row - Keston - Edenbridge (c. 210km, 3AAA)
Anyone know when ACP typically publish the list of French and, if done separately, global BRM events?
can a validated Brevet card for the Upper Thames count towards a RRTY if I join AUK in December? The remainder of the RRTY would be mostly DIY permanents by GPS (probably with some rides repeated) and some calendar events. Am I correct in believing that this would be acceptable for a RRTY award?
can a validated Brevet card for the Upper Thames count towards a RRTY if I join AUK in December? The remainder of the RRTY would be mostly DIY permanents by GPS (probably with some rides repeated) and some calendar events. Am I correct in believing that this would be acceptable for a RRTY award?
I'm pretty sure you can claim back validation for rides in the season in which youjoin AUKclaim; you need to keep your brevet cards though as not all events validate non-members online so there is not a central record
DIY by GPS; no problem for RRTY :thumbsup:
If you join AUK now, your membership runs until the end of 2012. I know, because I've just done so. :)
Silly question but are they well advertised locally to enable you to find them
and what do you do when you get there?
I have never used a route sheet or riden with any time restrictions. Will the route sheet keep me awake all night!!???
Thanks
what do you do when you get there?
I have never used a route sheet or ridden with any time restrictions.
I am due to do my first audax next month and have never been to one.
Remember to take a pen with you (for info controls)
...Will the route sheet keep me awake all night!!???...
I think the reading/understanding of route sheets may take a bit to get used to.
RRTY question: If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.
The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.
I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.
RRTY question: If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.
The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.
I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.
RRTY question: If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.
The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.
I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.
Regardless of what Mike W says the rules permit (or otherwise) do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you will have done a RRTY if you rely on that ruse? These awards are personal and you have to be able to respect your own achievement.
Today marks the completion of my 'proper' RRTY. I have the badge and my name in the Hall of Fame but I took advantage of the 59 day January which has always had a small tinge of cheating for me. But today (subject to validation of my ECE) marks 12 genuine months. Now I need to decide if Feb is month 1 or month 7...
RRTY question: If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.
The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.
I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.
If I've read Fungus's question (and your response) correctly, what you did was exactly NOT what Fungus was suggesting. You did a ride in September to be counted as a September ride. Fungus wanted to call a ride ridden in August a September ride.RRTY question: If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.
The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.
I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.
I did exactly that yesterday, riding my route check for the Anfractuous as a DIY Perm so I could record a September ride.
It's not really an option for route check rides but I have started a ride on 23:30 on 31/8 to keep an RRTY streak alive. Sad but true.
Completely agree with Billy that these things are a personal decision.RRTY question: If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.
The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.
I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.
Regardless of what Mike W says the rules permit (or otherwise) do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you will have done a RRTY if you rely on that ruse? These awards are personal and you have to be able to respect your own achievement.
Two battles 200k perm done today for my September RRTY ride :)
Brevet 25000 question:
When it says "and other rides to top up to 25000km" does this include all rides or only rides over 200k. As it's a Brevet award I would think it includes rides under 200k ???
Think of it as needing 250 points; 100km events don't attract points so can't count for this award.
Extra satisfaction when you do get there, though!
Regards,
RP.
I noticed in another thread about new year resolutions.The season for points and awards etc starts on 1st November.
When does the Audax year start and end?
I think if you joined now, your membership would last until the end of 2012.
The season for points and awards etc starts on 1st November.
I can't see what would be wrong with creating a perm with an information sheet that told the riders when the controls would be open. That would let the rider plan their start point/time to ensure that they could control properly.Completely agree.
Anyone understand why it is that for new Perms we've got to make sure that every control is useable 24hrs a day? To me that means that only cash machines and 24hr garages are possible controls. Which means that lots of lovely routes in the North of Scotland can't be made into Perms. It's only easy to make new perms that run along main roads in more densely populated parts of the country, which is the exact opposite of what more people want to ride.
I can't see what would be wrong with creating a perm with an information sheet that told the riders when the controls would be open. That would let the rider plan their start point/time to ensure that they could control properly.
I ask because I was discussing this with a fellow rider on a recent Audax (one that I'd ECE'd) and he was sure that you would forefit the calender event points too as you had not completed what you set out to do. i.e. no different to riding a 300k event and packing at 250k.It seems very reasonable to draw that conclusion, but in fact I am 95% sure that you would not forfeit the calendar event.
A question about ECE's. If you ride an ECE to/from a 200k calendar event and complete the calendar event but fail to finish the ECE. You obviously don't get points for the ECE but do you still get the points for the calendar event?
QuoteIf I enter say the BCM600+ECE100, ride the BCM then decide to sack off the ECE part of the ride, would/should the BCM then be invalidated removed when I don't submit my ECE brevet?
I believe this was suggested at the committee stage and fortunately discounted. Apart from being jolly harsh and also quite likely to put people off ECEs, it would be impossible to police: the calendar card goes off for validation anyway.
Anyone understand why it is that for new Perms we've got to make sure that every control is useable 24hrs a day? To me that means that only cash machines and 24hr garages are possible controls.Info controls are also used on Perms and are generally 'open' 24 hours a day. They are also very flexible in terms of location. In my limited experience, the org will ask a different info question at the same location for each entrant on a Perm.
on my renewal notice, my email address differs from my real one by a '.'.
Thanks Frank.
(I've just noticed that it's actually missing both of its '.'s. So I suspect an error in the mail merge, or at the printers, or ... )
When will the results for 2011 be finalised and displayed on the website, and 2012 started?
Ben and Jogler, my (limited) understanding from regular correspondence with Julian Dyson, North-west DIY Tsar, is that if the Calendar organisers also offer the event as a perm then you shouldn't DIY it, you should do it as a perm; but you can usually start a perm anywhere on the route you just have to use all the other controls and infos., too. I've done this for several of Don Black's and Chris Crossland's rides.
HTH
... is that if the Calendar organisers also offer the event as a perm then you shouldn't DIY it, you should do it as a permI don't believe there is any etiqutte for this, written or unwritten. As you can't extend a perm to be an ECE, I take the view that its polite to ask the organiser anyway. On the other hand, if you've paid for and ridden his(her) route once or more, it feels OK to rip off the routesheet to use as part of a longer DIY. (Perhaps you could offer to pay the entry fee anyway, if you haven't ridden it yet. i stress offer ;) ).
Does that just apply to the route as it stands, or does it mean you shouldn't extend it either?
the minimum distance between controls rule.
Mr j, sir, the only reference I can see is in the Guidelines (nb, not the Rules) bit of the handbook:the minimum distance between controls rule.
where can I find these rules please?
AUK events require controls placed at an average of 50-80km intervals, to ensure adequate rest and refreshment and the integrity of the total distance.A bit flexible then... :thumbsup:
I am merely referring to the fact that the minimum distance between start and finish, passing through all control points, must be not less than the nominal distance (200k or whatever). The actual routesheet might take you on a longer route to avoid main roads, etc. This is pretty much the first check (maybe the only check) that the DIY organiser will do when you lodge your entry. The method of measuring this minimum distance has been discussed on these boards many times, but depending on the organiser is usually done on Autoroute (using "shortest") or GoogleMaps (using "walking", though beware that this will often route you down a bridleway that you wouldn't venture along on a road bike. I'm afraid that LycraMan here has experience of this :-[)
Forgive me for being pedantic, but how does one get a receipt "at home"? Unless you live in a shop of some sort.
1 If I enter a perm/DIY, I get a brevet card back through the post, which all being well, I then use on the day I have nominated. However if say the weather is really bad or for some reason I can't/don't ride it on that nominated day, can I keep the brevet card to ride that same perm/DIY but on a future date?
I presume I have to notify the organiser in advance when I am planning on rescheduling the ride, to prevent me just taking off when the fancy takes me or when it looks nice out, so how much notice do I have to give?
2 Also, if I get a brevet card back when I have submitted a DIY, I presume the return of a brevet card means that the route has been validated by the organiser (in terms of having fulfilled the min. distance between controls etc. to their satisfaction)?
3 How much notice is it generally deemed acceptable to give for the DIY organiser to do such route validation? - and presumably they don't need to re-validate if I re-enter a DIY that i've done before?
4 I've read/heard of some people building up "stashes" of perm/DIY cards, or "ordering a batch" of them at once, what's the value in doing this if any?
Right, so let me just get this straight so I understand you correctly:
Ben; to answer your questions in a DIY context;
1. If you've sent in an entry and don't let the organiser know you are not riding on the day the DIY cards is spent (whether paper or virtual) so it's always best to pre-check the route for distance and enter as you are about to roll out or the night before
Oh right, thanks Martin.
I'll get some cards then I think.
Oh right, thanks Martin.
I'll get some cards then I think.
Hi Ben
Remember that you can also do these by GPS if you like (if I remember, you have a Garmin Etrex???)
The advantages are:-
a) you don't have to post anything - nothing to get lost in the post
b) you can enter the night before having seen the weather forecasts (n.b. that is still NO guarantee...)
c) no need to stop and get receipts
d) no need to post card and receipts back (nothing to get lost in the post again)
e) you can put your controls anywhere, e.g. start actually at home, and finish actually at home - N.B. you can also 'turn' at a junction or roundabout in the middle of nowhere, as long as you quote the ordnance survey grid reference (many free programs will give you this) - often this helps me to get the distance just right, else I would have to go to the nearest shop, ATM, pub etc which might be miles away...
f) you can buy 6 electronic brevets at a good discount
Correct. I'm not aware of any difference here with GPS validation.
re. b), as far as I understand it, I can still enter the night before anyway, can't I?
As long as the route's sufficiently overdistance for me to be sure that it will be validated (and/or if I've previously had it validated for an earlier date but postponed it?)
Correct. I'm not aware of any difference here with GPS validation.
re. b), as far as I understand it, I can still enter the night before anyway, can't I?
As long as the route's sufficiently overdistance for me to be sure that it will be validated (and/or if I've previously had it validated for an earlier date but postponed it?)
Oh right, thanks Martin.
I'll get some cards then I think.
Hi Ben
Remember that you can also do these by GPS if you like (if I remember, you have a Garmin Etrex???)
The advantages are:-
a) you don't have to post anything - nothing to get lost in the post
b) you can enter the night before having seen the weather forecasts (n.b. that is still NO guarantee...)
c) no need to stop and get receipts
d) no need to post card and receipts back (nothing to get lost in the post again)
e) you can put your controls anywhere, e.g. start actually at home, and finish actually at home - N.B. you can also 'turn' at a junction or roundabout in the middle of nowhere, as long as you quote the ordnance survey grid reference (many free programs will give you this) - often this helps me to get the distance just right, else I would have to go to the nearest shop, ATM, pub etc which might be miles away...
f) you can buy 6 electronic brevets at a good discount
1. Batteries. If your GPS uses them then they will add cost to the ride, either by recharging them or replacing them.
Sorry to be pedantic/hypothetical but it seems from what you are saying that it effectively allows me to NOT nominate my date in advance. Which I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that you had to do. This would suggest DIYs require one to be less audacious in terms of being at the mercy of future weather conditions, which thus frees up more audacity to enable you to be more audacious in terms of a longer/harder route at a more unseasonable time of year. (I'm not complaining - I think it's good if it is like that - I just want to clarify...and to check it isn't "technically allowed but a loophole that's frowned upon")
Oh right, thanks Martin.
I'll get some cards then I think.
Hi Ben
Remember that you can also do these by GPS if you like (if I remember, you have a Garmin Etrex???)
The advantages are:-
a) you don't have to post anything - nothing to get lost in the post
b) you can enter the night before having seen the weather forecasts (n.b. that is still NO guarantee...)
c) no need to stop and get receipts
d) no need to post card and receipts back (nothing to get lost in the post again)
e) you can put your controls anywhere, e.g. start actually at home, and finish actually at home - N.B. you can also 'turn' at a junction or roundabout in the middle of nowhere, as long as you quote the ordnance survey grid reference (many free programs will give you this) - often this helps me to get the distance just right, else I would have to go to the nearest shop, ATM, pub etc which might be miles away...
f) you can buy 6 electronic brevets at a good discount
A few disadvantages to even things up.
1. Batteries. If your GPS uses them then they will add cost to the ride, either by recharging them or replacing them.
2. If the GPS batteries go flat you're stuffed.
3. If the GPS malfunctions (mine has once this year) then you're stuffed.
4. If you have a senior moment when transferring the GPS track log to your computer and accidentally delete it then you're stuffed.
I posted [...] to see who would bite and... Kim did. Hah! One nil to me ;DQuick thinking sir!
Quick thinking sir!
I'll have to use that next time I post utter rubbish and Kim corrects me.
;)
Quick thinking sir!
I'll have to use that next time I post utter rubbish and Kim corrects me.
;)
The word "utter" was a tad harsh, if you don't mind me saying.
If it is calculated on the shortest distance it seems a bit of a disincentive to keep the number of controls manageable.You're aboslutely right, but this is an inherent feature of the Audax "shortest distance between controls" system. We're all stuck with it!
Paul, as far as I know, if your distance on your entry was 100k, then you will only get th 6.40 to do the ride, even if it is actually 120k. You can only get AAA points on a DIY if you do it by gps. I've had to forego seven or eight AAA points on DIYs this summer because I use paper!
I asked the Q? to John ward as he is the Perm Org'. His reply is
"As it stands at the moment all DIYs are 14.3 minimum speed.
The point being that they are a universal standard event, so there is no option to have a BP version with slower times (unless we agree and set a standard different BP minimum time).
So for the moment don't go for a hilly 100km DIY unless you can get round in 14.3km"
Rich
I asked the Q? to John ward as he is the Perm Org'. His reply is
"As it stands at the moment all DIYs are 14.3 minimum speed.
The point being that they are a universal standard event, so there is no option to have a BP version with slower times (unless we agree and set a standard different BP minimum time).
So for the moment don't go for a hilly 100km DIY unless you can get round in 14.3km"
Rich
An apparently simple change with some big implications.If one is only after AAA points, can one choose to enter a 200km BP?!?
Time limit for hilly 199km BP, 19hrs, 54min.
Time limit for hilly 200km BR, 13hrs, 55 min.
...
You can't do the same loop more than once but as long as the route doesn't have too many controls there shouldn't be a problem with it.
Using it twice as a middle control would make a 7 controls. Which is effectively out and back for the 3 loops.
...have you noticed recently that googlemapswalking has become more footpath oriented around large towns?? ...reason being Mike is that google has switched its data supplier and presumably the new data has got much more data on what footpaths are available.
...have you noticed recently that googlemapswalking has become more footpath oriented around large towns?? ...reason being Mike is that google has switched its data supplier and presumably the new data has got much more data on what footpaths are available.
On a recent DIY google suggested I go through the middle of a firing range. I found an alternative route around the edge, also off-road.
via Michelin bike option may be better, but I haven't yet got to grips with it.
thought: if google walking has become more footpath-y is is less good as the AUK default 'shortest distance'-o-meter?
Also, though this is possibly of less significance for us home counties types, maps are two dimensional; roads are three dimensional.
Also, though this is possibly of less significance for us home counties types, maps are two dimensional; roads are three dimensional.
and Audax is 4 dimensional.... ;)
What is the situation with doing a permanent but amending it? Does this count as a diy or would this be regarded as plagarism so to speak?There should be no problem using it as a DIY, but my view is that you should contact the relevant perm organiser as a curtesy. It is possible (depending on how much you seek to amend it) that it could still be done as the "official" perm. For instance, Mark Beauchamp was quite happy for his Anorak's Delight to be started in Reading (it doesn't go that close to Reading, but it was a convenient start point) and he kindly (but, as it turned out, unnecessarily) offered that we could miss one of the infos due to the route now being a bit longer.
What is the situation with doing a permanent but amending it? Does this count as a diy or would this be regarded as plagarism so to speak?might depend on organiser but ime you can move the start back or forward along the route, including to a location that's not already an existing control
What is the situation with doing a permanent but amending it? Does this count as a diy or would this be regarded as plagarism so to speak?might depend on organiser but ime you can move the start back or forward along the route, including to a location that's not already an existing control
I tried that on Shawn re the Wessex SR, hoping to start one of the perms where the route more or less passes my house (within 9 KM anyway) (Brizzle) rather than riding 30+ kms to Malmesbury, (one of the controls) but as was his right he said "nope"
He also said something along the lines of "no good for Wessex SR starting up there cos it is not the same ride as everyone else does" - again I initially thought he was being daft, however I can with hindsight see his point and if I was based down there, so to speak, I might feel aggrieved if someone from up here got a WSR riding from the 'other side' as it were....
Of course 600 km of new territory, done completely alone, where the controls in certain places might be shut, was probably far too easy, so I may instead do the group perm with everyone else, with the moral support of the other riders, the ability to slipstream, get mechanical help, have someone who already knows the route, and the best controls, so it will obviously be a much harder ride as a result..... Luckily I will also need to ride down to and back from the Poole (ish) start as two extra 200 km rides (DIYxGPS), so it will be a nice 1000 km outing... ;D ;D ;D
I tried that on Shawn re the Wessex SR, hoping to start one of the perms where the route more or less passes my house (within 9 KM anyway) (Brizzle) rather than riding 30+ kms to Malmesbury, (one of the controls) but as was his right he said "nope"
He also said something along the lines of "no good for Wessex SR starting up there cos it is not the same ride as everyone else does" - again I initially thought he was being daft, however I can with hindsight see his point and if I was based down there, so to speak, I might feel aggrieved if someone from up here got a WSR riding from the 'other side' as it were....
Of course 600 km of new territory, done completely alone, where the controls in certain places might be shut, was probably far too easy, so I may instead do the group perm with everyone else, with the moral support of the other riders, the ability to slipstream, get mechanical help, have someone who already knows the route, and the best controls, so it will obviously be a much harder ride as a result..... Luckily I will also need to ride down to and back from the Poole (ish) start as two extra 200 km rides (DIYxGPS), so it will be a nice 1000 km outing... ;D ;D ;D
9km isn't considered "more or less" the same place.... certainly not when there's AAA points
you should have just rode the 9km to the nearest point on the route and started there...
Maybe there really is some ethical or other reason to refuse a different start and I'd be happy to be told so!
but would you have had proof of passage at the "intermediate (guide only) waypoint"?
Maybe there really is some ethical or other reason to refuse a different start and I'd be happy to be told so!
Seems to me an organiser is entitled to reject any proposed alteration to 'his' event, end of. Pointless to wonder why.
ISTR something about this being particularly relevant to AAA rides, where changing the start point shifts the whole route profile, and - in some cases - could result in there not being a 100km stretch with a qualifying amount of climbing, or changing the number of AAA points that should be counted.This point hadn't occurred to me. If this is the case, do I, in future:
Wessex Super Randonneur PermanentsThere is nothing to stop anybody taking the Hellfire route, starting from wherever they want and submitting it as a DIY, GPS or traditional. It just wouldn't be The Hellfire.
Room 101, wherein our pet hates reside. Likewise Rule 101. "Predetermined Time" is not "09:00Thaturday 16th Monthoberary but if it rains I'll go the next week end that it's fine. OK?" No, it's not OK. "Predetermined Time" IS 09:00 Thaturday 16th Monthoberary whatever (subject to PRIOR negotiation).
The true permanent follows a set route whereas with the calendar events the route is advisory; the organisors preferred way between controls. The other form of permanent, the diagonal, joins two coastal towns and the rider nominates their own route and control points which are then agreed with the organiser.
Riders may be unable to ride the calendar events or may of course fail to complete on the day.
In order to assist riders whose aim is the Wessex Series the permanent versions (at randonneur level) of the Dorset Coast, hard boiled 300, Porkers 400 and Hellfire [Brimstone] 600 may be substituted for their calendar counterpart. (Riding three Hellfires and a Dorset Coast will not count). The Hard Boiled 300 permanent may be sustituted for the 3D300 calendar event.
There is nothing to stop anybody taking the Hellfire route, starting from wherever they want and submitting it as a DIY, GPS or traditional. It just wouldn't be The Hellfire.Sounds like it's a
This point hadn't occurred to me. If this is the case, do I, in future:
1: insist that they use the "proper" start if they want any AAA points?
2: allow them to start anywhere, but deny them any AAA points, or re-calculate AAA points based on their starting point?
3: keep quiet and work on the twin principles that (i) life's too short, and (ii) it is easier to obtain forgiveness than permission?
Also, should the handful of people who have done the ride from a different start now be stripped of the AAA points they were awarded? Maybe we should refer the whole matter to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
Reg.T (or anyone else) - can you say where this rule / guideline is to be found? ???
Sounds like it's aIn this house Matthew, we do not have free routes between controls and our bidons are always topped up with aqua vita.
Local ride, for Local riders.
;)
If it's allowed, enter on the line (as in the starting line).
If it's allowed, enter online (as in the internet).
If neither of those are allowed, find someone/somewhere else with a printer.
Then, get a postal order, or else include a crisp fiver with your entry.
I'm wondering how do you register for a ride without a chequebook or a printer?I used to print at work, and get my mum (yes really) to send the cheques, from her house. Then I started sending Cold Hard Cash. Then I lost my job, and printed 'em off at the library.
And if it's absolutely bucketing down - don't bother to write the answer there and then and destroying your brevet card - simply remember it and write the answer at the next proper control.
Even if you can reliably remember an info control factoid, remembering to write it down when you're in that nice warm café can be a challenge.Yeah, everyone's expecting you to say 'Butcombe'. :D
Your mind might be on your order/your bladder/remembering to fill bottles/the time/the state of your bum/hands/neck.
Repeating the answer on-stop for 20km may help but you may seem odd if all you ever say is 'Shepherd Neame'.
I would like to do a DIY 200k audax on 13th of May by GPS. The start is just 10k west of Peterborough. Would I be correct in thinking to:
1 Purchase a virtual brevet card from Richard Forrest for £3
2 Ride the route http://ridewithgps.com/routes/1136343 (http://ridewithgps.com/routes/1136343)
3 Email the track log to Richard after the ride
4 Get my 2 points
Cheers
Mike
Assuming the purchasing a virtual brevet card also means getting RichF to confirm that the route's valid, then yes that's all there is to it.
What are the 'controls' for that route?
Surely it's just a case of Richard checking that I've done 200k within the allotted time? The track log will verify this.Not quite.
When completeing a AA perm does one need to:
a) make each control within the allocated time to qualify;
b) provide other evidence (GPX) of sticking to the route.
I am aware of the rules Re. being able to take which ever route you like between controls on a non AA route, but does the same apply for a AA perm?
When completeing a AA perm does one need to:
a) make each control within the allocated time to qualify;
b) provide other evidence (GPX) of sticking to the route.
I am aware of the rules Re. being able to take which ever route you like between controls on a non AA route, but does the same apply for a AA perm?
J
... I'd overlooked the minimum speed and this is likely to rule the event out as an "official" AUK event. The DIY option might be the only one up for grabs.
Sorry if this has been mentioned a million times but I am trying to sort out an ECE thing. Not done this before.
If I do a 100k event, and 50k to and from home either side, I assume it counts as a 200 for the RRTY?
The kind of route I just vaguely plotted to the event if I go out the way a bit and do a couple of intermediate controls looks to be about pretty much exactly 50k, but what site do people use to see the minimum distance between places?
Did any of that even make any sense?!
If I do a 100k event, and 50k to and from home either side, I assume it counts as a 200 for the RRTY?
What site do people use to see the minimum distance between places?
Email the organiser. Most are happy to summarise where their routes go.True, but which ones do you ask? Even where start points are specified, you're looking at every event within 100k (say).
Note for the RRTY award, for a ride spanning months, it can count for either month, but not both. And you should do at least 200km in the month you want it to count for.Are you quite sure about that?
I've been giving some thought to RRTY and LEL.To me this suggests that Mike is proposing a special exemption for LEL, not that any BR that spans a month end can count towards RRTY for the second month (if at least 200k ridden in the second month).
LEL will count as a July 2013 qualifying ride for the RRTY. That means that you have to be thinking about riding a 200 some time during August, which might be a struggle, both physical and mental. As it is, I usually find August a difficult month in which to complete a BR, what with Marple Grimpeurs, holidays, etc
I suppose if you use the full time available for LEL, it would be possible to complete at least 200km of LEL during August. If you can provide me with suitable evidence, such as a photocopy of your brevet card, I might consider LEL as an August 2013 qualifier for RRTY, but you certainly wouldn't be able to count LEL for both July and August - it's just one ride.
Does that sound fair?
Even if all but one second of it was actually completed in the new season?
Even if all but one second of it was actually completed in the new season?
Yes. RRTY is one thing, but the AUK 'season' is quite another.
Any ride (event or permanent) has a 'date' - which is the date the ride is scheduled to start - and that determines which season it falls into.
At the moment the membership fee includes the remainder of this year for free.
From the membership application form:QuoteAt the moment the membership fee includes the remainder of this year for free.
Any plans to allow entry of perms by Paypal?
The route sheet and info controls (and electronic brevet if required) could be sent by email, which would leave the issue of brevet card as the main obstacle? However, with the price of stamps increasing we find postage (3 * 50p) is £1.50 compared to event itself costing usually £3. PoP could be scanned and emailed back to organiser.
Already in the pipeline?
The (new, now current AFAIK**) Regulations - no longer make any mention of brevet cards. All you require is 'proof of passage'.Ah - the AGM that wasn't quite.
** whether they are current as of the date of the recent AGM, or as of some later date (Handbook publication?) - I don't know.
Doing a 600k before having done a 400k. Bad idea?
The events in question fit better location/date wise in my run up to LEL, will be doing a 300k (my second) about 6 weeks before the 600k, with the 400k following a month later with some 100s and 200s dotted around.
Hi, I notice looking at AUK's calendar events that some brevets are Brevet Randonneur and some are brevet randonneur des Mondiaux.
Googling about and looking at the FAQs here I can see that they are organised by different bodies but are there any other discernable differences between BR and BRM events? It looks to my untrained eye that BRM events tend to be more arduous but I cannot see anything else obvious. I may think about entering a BRM event and wouldn't want to inadvertently screw up and break some rule that I'm unaware of.
Cheers.
BRM events are important for qualifying for many continental events (such as PBP, where your SR needs to be BRM).
Aha, wasn't really worried, more curious really. Thanks :thumbsup:
This...
BRM events are important for qualifying for many continental events (such as PBP, where your SR needs to be BRM).
...however, is worth noting - not planning on PBP to be honest, but one never knows what one may do in the future.
...however, is worth noting - not planning on PBP to be honest, but one never knows what one may do in the future.
I can't imagine me being capable of such a thing. But of course, I couldn't imagine six months ago that I would ride 200 k...
Does anyone know of any listed permanents that go through Dartmoor?Do LeJOG as an arrow, simples.
Does anyone know of any listed permanents that go through Dartmoor?Do LeJOG as an arrow, simples.
Grit, I can rationalise to the noggin and keep it there, but the stamina thing is starting to concern me somewhat, particularly when on flicking through the weight reports thread I see no-one (except Feline) is sub-65Kg.... I know I'm smallish (52cm frames, 5ft8") but is having a "slight" build (BMI 20.5) likely to cause me issues regarding finishing such taxing events?
Weight - or lack of it..... should I worry ?
As a noob to all this Audax m'larky I'm starting to feel a little apprehensive about stamina and what its built on physically.
Having spent well over a decade decorating RTTC events with mid-field or worse performances up to 12hr, I concluded that I'm more a rouleur than a puncher/grimpeur. All well and good, I enjoyed 100s and 12s, managing to finish all but a handful of those I started. However, the many recent tales of epic derring-do that abound the yacf do seem to infer that grit and stamina are the "stuff" of a competent audaxer.
Grit, I can rationalise to the noggin and keep it there, but the stamina thing is starting to concern me somewhat, particularly when on flicking through the weight reports thread I see no-one (except Feline) is sub-65Kg.... I know I'm smallish (52cm frames, 5ft8") but is having a "slight" build (BMI 20.5) likely to cause me issues regarding finishing such taxing events?
.......However, the many recent tales of epic derring-do that abound the yacf do seem to infer that grit and stamina are the "stuff" of a competent audaxer........
I don't if anyone still uses the "Enter by Post" option on the website, but ...
There are some fields to record your Emergency Contact Nos, and a tickbox to save them. This is definitely not working for me [I can see that Firefox has remembered the text!].
It's the most minor of miniscule inconveniences, but I just wondered if it works for anyone else?
Grit, I can rationalise to the noggin and keep it there, but the stamina thing is starting to concern me somewhat, particularly when on flicking through the weight reports thread I see no-one (except Feline) is sub-65Kg.... I know I'm smallish (52cm frames, 5ft8") but is having a "slight" build (BMI 20.5) likely to cause me issues regarding finishing such taxing events?Another sub-65kg (49cm frame).
I don't if anyone still uses the "Enter by Post" option on the website, but ...
but I just wondered if it works for anyone else?
Bugger! I shall continue to feel victimised ;DNope, I have the same issue. Though that doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. Or do I mean us?
Weight - or lack of it..... should I worry ?
Grit, I can rationalise to the noggin and keep it there, but the stamina thing is starting to concern me somewhat, particularly when on flicking through the weight reports thread I see no-one (except Feline) is sub-65Kg.... I know I'm smallish (52cm frames, 5ft8") but is having a "slight" build (BMI 20.5) likely to cause me issues regarding finishing such taxing events?
How do ferry crossings work on Audaxes?The latter.
( I'm thinking about longer crossings that may take a significant time. )
Presumably, it's only 'cycling' distance that counts, distance covered on the ferry does not.
But how about time?
If the odometer stops when you're on the ferry, does the clock stop too?
Or do you just have to eat the ferry non-riding-time and then try to make it up, same as you would for a long cafe stop or a mechanical?
How do ferry crossings work on Audaxes?
( I'm thinking about longer crossings that may take a significant time. )
Presumably, it's only 'cycling' distance that counts, distance covered on the ferry does not.
But how about time?
If the odometer stops when you're on the ferry, does the clock stop too?
Or do you just have to eat the ferry non-riding-time and then try to make it up, same as you would for a long cafe stop or a mechanical?
I can ride all day on one bottle of hi five, and maybe three or four frusli bars, and sometimes less than that.In the interests of science, you understand, I tried this method yesterday/this morning. Consumption over 200km was:
<snip>
I guess you would call me a racing snake, though at 60 (in a few months) I have probably shed more than a few skins, and I'm not quite so fast, but as for stamina :thumbsup: ;D :thumbsup: ;D :thumbsup:
Food & drink on 200's...?
Yesterday as an example...
Big bowl of porridge with syrup and a banana washed down with coffee before I left home, then
Fruit & nut bar
Banana
Ginsters chicken sandwich (vile), packet of crisps, Yazoo and a latte
another fruit & nut bar
another banana
Friji milkshake
2no 750ml bottles of water with SIS GO electrolyte/energy powder
1no 500ml bottle of plain water
Avoided using 2 gels that I was carrying...
Sooo...is this similar to what others drink/eat (except Mikey who can run virtually on empty :o), or am I starving myself (massive hunger today with binge eating ;D)?
Sooo...is this similar to what others drink/eat
Food & drink on 200's...?
Yesterday as an example...
Big bowl of porridge with syrup and a banana washed down with coffee before I left home, then
Fruit & nut bar
Banana
Ginsters chicken sandwich (vile), packet of crisps, Yazoo and a latte
another fruit & nut bar
another banana
Friji milkshake
2no 750ml bottles of water with SIS GO electrolyte/energy powder
1no 500ml bottle of plain water
Avoided using 2 gels that I was carrying...
Sooo...is this similar to what others drink/eat (except Mikey who can run virtually on empty :o), or am I starving myself (massive hunger today with binge eating ;D)?
That's food an drink on the 200 I doubt it meant all day.For some of us, they mean pretty much the same thing!
I'd ride them.
Good question!
At face value, it is simply a collective banner under which randonneurs can associate for the purpose of PBP registration (the governing body, ACP, require you to be part of a registered "club").
But as is the way of these things, it also serves as a way for audaxers in Scotland to identify with each other in a loose way, without the traditional organisation of a club structure (for example, there is no committee).
Similar comments apply for yACF.
300k route sorted:
Amington - Newark on Trent 86k
Newark on Trent Horncastle 58k
Horncastle - Collingham 48k
Collingham - Melton Mowbray 51k
Melton Mowbray - Amington 63k
Total 306k
Just gotta ride the bugger now :)
By the way, as I understand it, you don't actually have to be Scottish or live in Scotland to associate with Audax Ecosse (but are encouraged to do at least one audax event in Scotland).
I've toyed with affiliating with it in the past (being an ex-pat Scot who makes a point of doing at least one ride up in Scotland every year) but to date have affiliated with my local (traditional, non-audax) club. I may do so for PBP 2015 though, as it was noticable that people's attitudes (particularly USAians, Aussies and Canadians) felt more positive when I slipped on my Scotland flag top at the 2007 edition (and because I will probably not renew my membership for the local club beyond this year).
Do you apply to affiliate or is there a complex initiation ceremony (involving bridies?)Only if you're very lucky. :-X
It's a populaire, minimum speed is at the org's discretion.
I'd go with what's on the brevet card, generally.
Factual questions and answers only. Debate not needed.
Who do I need to contact to get AAA points added to my DIY route.
I believe it's worth three AAA.
Who should I contact to get an SR recognised? Mine does not appear on the AUK website, presumably because I used ECEs. I did a variety of 200s, my 300 was the November Galashiels (Guy Fawkes) ECE'd, my 400 was the Easter Arrow and my 600 was the Elenydd ECE'd. Or am I mising something?
While I'm here (and reminded):
Thanks to the Recorder/whoever for getting my Belgian 1200 in - and quickly.
(Another SR, I think that's 7 - and I've done more 1000km+ rides than calendar 400s.)
Anyone know if the recorder can be contacted by email? I don't like pestering on the phone and it's a lot easier than writing a letter.
While I'm here (and reminded):
Thanks to the Recorder/whoever for getting my Belgian 1200 in - and quickly.
(Another SR, I think that's 7 - and I've done more 1000km+ rides than calendar 400s.)
Congrats.
I also have the same stat on calendar 400s (and I've only done 3 1000km+ rides) - I flipping hate 400km - stupid distance.
1st October. It's probably in the handbook.
The "when does the season start" question pops up so frequently, it makes me think AUK should put something on the front page of the website. Or in an FAQ.As a proper AUK pedant, I find the wording of your last sentence odd. Because there already IS an FAQ:
Am I being stupid? The answer above said the season started on 1 October.
The FAQ posted by Mattc says 1 November.
Which is correct?
ECE question: is it possible to use ECEs to join Calendar events?
ECE question: is it possible to use ECEs to join Calendar events?
yes it's possible; I can award an extra ECE distance; it does not have to be tied to just one event; just needs a start date for the whole ride
as Manotea says though make sure you factor in the calendar minimum speeds within the overall 14.3kph maximum
The Brevet 2/3/4000 awards are for rides of 100-200km (200s only for the 4000, AIUI).
Can a Calendar 200 with a 100 ECE count towards these, or does that have to be counted as a 300?
(I suspect the latter, but want to be sure).
Does anyone have views or information on the rolling resistance of tyres?Definitely.
Bump...<notes plaintive bump>The Brevet 2/3/4000 awards are for rides of 100-200km (200s only for the 4000, AIUI).
Can a Calendar 200 with a 100 ECE count towards these, or does that have to be counted as a 300?
(I suspect the latter, but want to be sure).
The Brevet 2/3/4000 awards are for rides of 100-200km (200s only for the 4000, AIUI).Well, the AUK website says: Brevet 2000.
Can a Calendar 200 with a 100 ECE count towards these, or does that have to be counted as a 300?
(I suspect the latter, but want to be sure).
The complexities introduced by ECE is the main reason the tables are now refreshed nightly
You have to claim it anyway. There are no (public) website functions for B2000, 3000, 4000.These awards aren't listed on the AUK website, but they appear in the Handbook (see pages 19 & 20 of 2013 Handbook) for awards earned entirely within the latest season, and I for one appear in them without having made a claim.
You have to claim it anyway. There are no (public) website functions for B2000, 3000, 4000.These awards aren't listed on the AUK website, but they appear in the Handbook (see pages 19 & 20 of 2013 Handbook) for awards earned entirely within the latest season, and I for one appear in them without having made a claim.
Qualification: a validated BR or BRM in each of any 12 consecutive
months, as listed on the AUK results website.
Membership goes by the calendar year, not the audax season (doesn't it?)
Membership goes by the calendar year, not the audax season (doesn't it?)
If, hypothetically, one felt driven to make an official complaint, about an audax, where should one address that to?
Or if (hypothetically and I do hope not!) about Perms, the Perms Secretary.Don't be silly- you've been brill! :-*
If, hypothetically, one felt driven to make an official complaint, about an audax, where should one address that to?
1.5.2 Complaints regarding the conduct of an event should be made to the organiser’s club and
copied to the AUK events secretary. If the complaint is upheld by the AUK events secretary, the
organiser’s level will be rescinded.
For my 2 GPS submissions so far (both ECE), I've used GPSBabel to convert the .FIT file stored on the device into a GPX file that the AUK software can read.
Garmin basecamp works for me or download the gpx file to your computer and send it as an email attachment.
The link you send for the site only opens the page for the organiser, I have found the file can't be downloaded from it the various times riders have sent it to me.
The organiser needs to run it through the AUK software and keep the file on record. You can download it straight from the connect site but the organiser can't.
Rich
I think the problem might be that you can make your rides either private or public, and if they are private then only you can download files from them...Even if the ride is set as public, you can only export a file for an activity if you are registered and logged in to Garmin Connect. So the organiser could download the file as a GPX or TCX if they register for Garmin Connect.
Noticed the new Audax UK mudguard stickers on a recent photo. My insurance replacement Audax bike lacks stickers.From here http://audaxmedals.southportcc.co.uk/
How do I get a couple more? Send an SAE (and a stamp to cover payment?) to the Recorder?
Colin, you may well get a storm of replies to these questions, some pointing to other threads on here and elsewhere! My short answers are do a few rides that are not too arduous/remote and make sure your bike's in a good state of repair. If it goes pear shaped you can usually limp to a train station, if you've not chosen a ride through desolate unpopulated areas. If the organiser asks for mudguards, then it would be very confrontational to turn up without. You can generally fit some 'clip on' types. It's a bit anti-social to the rider behind you and increases the chances of friction with café owners if you sit on their furniture with a backside unprotected by mudguards.
My bike is parked outside the patio doors - I thus have a clear view of my bright red AUK mudguard sticker. With the new* logo, viewed from this odd angle, it looks quite like the Playboy bunny logo - and thus my mudguard looks a lot like those trrrrrucker mudflaps with naked bond-girl silhouette.Nothing is deliberate in Audax. Each issue is given 38 pages of discussion on the internet followed by 12 hours at AGM and the conclusion is "Ah bollocks let's sort this out later."
Can the team confirm:
Is this deliberate?
Will chicks dig it?Yes, but only if they dig odd angles.
Will the upcoming logo revamp maintain this useful benefit?Only Audaxers could be interested in "stickers with benefits".
Try a manual upload, and pick the correct GPX file. Probably Garmin/GPX/Current.gpx
In my experience, this is much more reliable.
Wallace
YHM
Mikey
;D ;D ;D
Is 84km too long between controls on a DIY by GPS perm?
Discussions on the Garmin forum suggest this problem of "uploading" files is widespread. Apparently garmin are updating Garmin Connect, hence the problem...
I wait... along with many others... :facepalm:
Discussions on the Garmin forum suggest this problem of "uploading" files is widespread. Apparently garmin are updating Garmin Connect, hence the problem...
I wait... along with many others... :facepalm:
Wallace
Your file is repaired and uploads just fine now - YHM on your supplied email !!!
See my post https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=81625.0 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=81625.0)
My suggestion would be to stop using garmin connect. It's possibly the worst software out there for this sort of thing.
I wouldn't even dream of constructing a route with garmin's software. Ridewithgps, bikehike, bikeroutetoaster are all much much better.
Map my ride, strava, ridewithgps - all are way better than garmin connect for both uploading files and looking at your personal records/achievements/progress.
It's all just presented so much better and easier on the eye.
Having said that I've recently had an accident and not been on the bike for a week and a half. I did notice that garmin connect seemed to have changed their site a bit last time I looked (when I uploaded the offending ride) - maybe it's improved in the last week or two.
I wouldn't even dream of constructing a route with garmin's software. Ridewithgps, bikehike, bikeroutetoaster are all much much better.
You can ride a DIY of any length.
Bottom speed would be 12kph for that distance.
You can split it into 2*700 (minimum speed 13.5) and rest between the two legs. But it wouldn't be quite as audacious!
Why then does http://www.aukweb.net/diy/routes/ say "We validate rides at 50km, 100km, 150km, 200km, then at 100km intervals up to 1000km."?I don't know.
It has been done (marcus (the other REALLY crazy one) did a DIY of well over 2000km.
Interesting!There are set DIYs of up to x000 km.
It has been done (marcus (the other REALLY crazy one) did a DIY of well over 2000km and there are perms (end to end etc.) over that distance).
PM manotea as he is your man for this stuff.
So if I come up with a good 1400km route, I should maybe consider turning it into a proper perm? This is interesting indeed, need to think about this some more, but I guess that would rule out validation via GPX - that would need to be done as a DIY?
... and will be buggeredIs this a new AUK reg?
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... and will be buggeredIs this a new AUK reg?
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Surely it would be a decision left entirely at the organiser's discretion?... and will be buggeredIs this a new AUK reg?
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I think it's merely a guideline.
Yes. Inclusive.
On the printed brevet cards it does say "within 14 days".
(Maybe it's enshrined in the Handbook also?)
I wouldn't think validation would be likely to be refused if you took longer, though. Especially if there was a good reason.
Anyone know what software AUK (or maybe just Steve Snook) uses to calculate climbing figures? It's annoying when I do a ride that my garmin and the various route design websites tells me qualifies for AAA points - then I get quoted a figure that is only about 2/3 good enough by those who validate. I appreciate they're probably right and have a more accurate analysis - it'd just be nice to use it too if it isn't proprietary super-expensive software.
Cheers
Steve's expertise, enthusiasm and energy are enormous assets to AUK. He does a superb job for us!
He is brilliant. I wonder how he copes with the workload - like, our DIY perm guys have a specific area, but Steve seems to have to deal with the whole country!
He is brilliant. I wonder how he copes with the workload - like, our DIY perm guys have a specific area, but Steve seems to have to deal with the whole country!
Nope he doesn't!!!! :demon: Only the hilly bits :smug: :smug: :smug:
[badge geek]Another Audax question - why is there no badge for the Randonneur 2,500? [/badge geek]
The Randonneur 2500 is a fairly new award and (I guess) nobody has submitted a design for consideration yet.
The medals/ badges for many awards can be claimed in the years subsequent to a rider qualifying for them.
I believe its a creeping, amorphous process. Events can change at the last minute, but are usually published 6 months or more ahead.
But.... when is the calendar announced? Particularly the location and date of the National 400.
I'm presuming end of September?
How do you know which of your results are 'BRM'? If one was thinking of PBP nest year would you have to 'do' anything to get a possible BRM event seen so that you could apply earlier rather than later??
How do you know which of your results are 'BRM'? If one was thinking of PBP nest year would you have to 'do' anything to get a possible BRM event seen so that you could apply earlier rather than later??
If you look at your individual rider record on the AUK website, the first column is for ACP brevet numbers. If you have one there - and having ridden the National 400 you will get one for that - you can pre register for PBP.
How do you know which of your results are 'BRM'? If one was thinking of PBP nest year would you have to 'do' anything to get a possible BRM event seen so that you could apply earlier rather than later??
If you look at your individual rider record on the AUK website, the first column is for ACP brevet numbers. If you have one there - and having ridden the National 400 you will get one for that - you can pre register for PBP.
Hmm no ACP brevet against the National 400 on my results???
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So what do I look for in a bike? before go and spend my hard earned penny's.
I'd avoid a bike that prevented me averaging 14.3kph, no matter how comfortable.True but that would be an extreme. wobbly made a very good showing on a Pashley at the national 400 even with the bottom gear out of action.
Its not extreme at all! I've finished several events on the limit or OOT -I have no doubt that I would have been slower on a Pash, no matter how wonderfully comfortable they are.I'd avoid a bike that prevented me averaging 14.3kph, no matter how comfortable.True but that would be an extreme. wobbly made a very good showing on a Pashley at the national 400 even with the bottom gear out of action.
So what do I look for in a bike? before go and spend my hard earned penny's.
Comfortable.
That's about it really.
Now, the challenge is that one rider's comfy bike is another rider's boneshaker.
I think there's only one trend that pervades almost all machinery that you're likely to encounter in Audax and that's slightly wider tyres than normal, and even 'normal' is slowly changing from 23mm tyres to more 25mm, and the range of frames with suitable clearance is growing all the time now. 25 and 28mm are very common on bikes you will see on Audax rides, no matter whether they are steel tourers or the latest carbon bling.
But you will see everything made in every material possible - none is the right answer for everyone.
Edit - X-post with Cycling Daddy!
+1
Start with what you have, look at what other people have, and find out what works and doesn't for you - wheels/tyres, geometry, handling, luggage, lighting.....
It'll all depend on you and where you find you want to go with it e.g. a few summer daylight 100s-200s, or round the year with multi-day and overnight events; hilly or flat; travel light or prepared for the worst; ...
Nobody else has yet suggested the importance of reliability as well as comfort.Good point.
You really would prefer not to practise your Mechanical Skilz in a biblical storm on Upper Hurricanedale at 3am.
Nobody else has yet suggested the importance of reliability as well as comfort.
Ok, so it's technically an audax bike, but what is a sportive but an audax without the cake?:D
Just read this on road.cc:QuoteOk, so it's technically an audax bike, but what is a sportive but an audax without the cake?:D
* one reason I'm so happy riding it is it has 2 spare gear hangers; bust one of them without a spare and no amount of ££££ will get you home ;)
Ok, serious question: Why does the event calendar run October-September but the membership year January-December?It seems the event year is mostly so points and awards etc can be worked out ahead of the AGM in November. Note the event year used to be November-October, it changed a couple of years ago.
And when it says "new members joining late in the year will be subscribed until the end of the following year" what does that actually mean in practice? When does it become "late"?From 1st September. See the regulations here: http://www.aukweb.net/official/aukregs/
Sorry Cudzo, that information is only available to members. You'll need to join to find out. ;DBut that would mean associating with disreputable types like you.
Go on, you know you want to....
Sorry Cudzo, that information is only available to members. You'll need to join to find out. ;DBut that would mean associating with disreputable types like you.
Go on, you know you want to....
Oh, hang on...
Have you not heard Neil's words of wisdom on this point? ;)Sorry Cudzo, that information is only available to members. You'll need to join to find out. ;DBut that would mean associating with disreputable types like you.
Go on, you know you want to....
Oh, hang on...
You're not a member? :o
Ok thanks, looks like the event hasn't been uploaded by the organiser yet. Not sure why it's taking over a month, sure he will get around to it.It is a three stage process, the organiser submits the results, (by s-mail), validation secs validate, and the recorder records on the website. This can all take a while. If its a BRM event, which yours was not, because you got your card back on the day, cards have to also go to Paris during this process,
Ok thanks, looks like the event hasn't been uploaded by the organiser yet. Not sure why it's taking over a month, sure he will get around to it.
Another question, I did the minehead 100 last month, I see it carries zero points for the club and CTC totals, why is it not worth one point.
Thanks,
If an organiser sends in his results very promptly and if both validation sec and the recorder are sat waitng by their computers instead of out riding their bikes, and if the new automated ACP process works as intended for BRMs, then the whole thing could, in theory, be complete on the AUK website in about a week.
That's an awful lot of IFs though, and in reality I doubt you'll see many approach that sort of speed.
Can anyone recommend a good quality head torch for night rides.
Not listed in the AUK calendar, so I suspect a link will show up sometime after Christmas. It is still 2014, so a little early yet to be concerned about a summer 2015 event.The National 400 and other events are likely to appear sometime in January. The next deadline for submitting events is the start of January. The National 400 sounds like fantastic ride
25 July, starting from Dingwall, and heading north.
For perm events, if due to say machical failure your average speed for the intermediary control points is below the overall permitted lower speed for the event in total of 14.3km, but by the final control you have made up the time so average overall is about the minimum speed / maximum time permitted will this be ok for sign off by th orangiser?
25 July, starting from Dingwall, and heading north.
SO tempted by this :thumbsup:---wonderful route up to Durness and back ;D ---just unsure about travel time / round trip of 900 miles with very little a`leave available (PBP requiring significant portion thereof)
How much quicker do relevant rides fill up in a PBP year? I'm not dead set on doing PBP, however I would like to complete my first SR this season. I'm thinking I may as well go for BRM rides, giving me the option of PBP if I did decide I wanted to.
How much quicker do relevant rides fill up in a PBP year? I'm not dead set on doing PBP, however I would like to complete my first SR this season. I'm thinking I may as well go for BRM rides, giving me the option of PBP if I did decide I wanted to.
I don't think this can be quantified; they do fill up more quickly and some people create headaches by pulling out of some rides once they have completed a ride of a specified length.
It's probably best, if possible, to plan and send your entries early.
Given the constraints of work and Real Life, this is not always easy.
How much quicker do relevant rides fill up in a PBP year? I'm not dead set on doing PBP, however I would like to complete my first SR this season. I'm thinking I may as well go for BRM rides, giving me the option of PBP if I did decide I wanted to.
I don't think this can be quantified; they do fill up more quickly and some people create headaches by pulling out of some rides once they have completed a ride of a specified length.
It's probably best, if possible, to plan and send your entries early.
Given the constraints of work and Real Life, this is not always easy.
Thanks.
Yes, I realised it's a 'how long is a piece of string' question. I would just like to sit down and properly plan them after Christmas, instead of rushing now.
I apologise in advance if this question has already been answered in the preceding 29 pages.It would be done by the organiser if he/she validated the ride on the day. Send them a direct email and ask if they can check/resolve for you.
About 3 months ago I completed a Calendar Event within the required time. My brevet card was checked and instantly validated on the day. However, the ride has yet to appear on my AUK member's results page. Is this something the event organiser takes care of or should I have notified someone at AUK?
Thank you in anticipation.
I wonder if this is a ride that I too have been waiting to see on the results pages. If it's the same one, then I DM'd the org via Twitter a couple weeks ago, and got the reply that they've "been too busy" ::-)
Those of you that have a KCNC light mounting bracket attached to your rear skewer, what rear light do you have attached to it?
... I DM'd the org via Twitter a couple weeks ago, and got the reply that they've "been too busy" ::-)
About 3 months ago I completed a Calendar Event within the required time. My brevet card was checked and instantly validated on the day. However, the ride has yet to appear on my AUK member's results page. Is this something the event organiser takes care of or should I have notified someone at AUK?
... I DM'd the org via Twitter a couple weeks ago, and got the reply that they've "been too busy" ::-)
Some organisers see the ride as 'the thing' and everything else surrounding it (and especially after the event) as taking much lower priority. It's rather difficult to argue with that philosophy but it does mean that sometimes results are very delayed.About 3 months ago I completed a Calendar Event within the required time. My brevet card was checked and instantly validated on the day. However, the ride has yet to appear on my AUK member's results page. Is this something the event organiser takes care of or should I have notified someone at AUK?
There's a chain of events but in the first instance it's up to the organiser to notify AUK that you finished their ride.
* If the ride hasn't appeared in the 'Event Results Sheets' page - then that is just the organiser taking his time. Eventually, AUK would probably take notice and prod with a pointed stick - though if it is last season, things get a bit more complicated.
* If there are riders listed on the 'Event Results Sheet' and you are included, then the ride should also appear on your 'Individual Rides List'.
If it doesn't (most unlikely) that would be a system error and AUK's Recorder is the person to notify - make sure you mention your membership number and the event number if you know it, or the date and location/distance.
* If there are riders listed on the Results Sheet and you are not in that list, then you would have to contact the organiser, because that means he has finished with the event but hasn't passed your name or number along to AUK.
AUK's Recorder is the person to investigate and tell you which of FF's options apply - make sure you mention your membership number and the event number if you know it, or the date and location/distance.FTFY
Cheers, I hadn't noticed the minimum speed was different.
The real problem, of course, is motivating myself to get up so early on a cold, dark February morning. :-\ If only there were cafes open at that time, it would be so much easier! Keep going till the next cup of tea and slice of cake or beans on toast!
The real problem, of course, is motivating myself to get up so early on a cold, dark February morning. :-\ If only there were cafes open at that time, it would be so much easier! Keep going till the next cup of tea and slice of cake or beans on toast!
Cheers, I hadn't noticed the minimum speed was different.If I'm riding any distance to a calendar event, I tend to treat the start HQ as a cafe control :)
The real problem, of course, is motivating myself to get up so early on a cold, dark February morning. :-\ If only there were cafes open at that time, it would be so much easier! Keep going till the next cup of tea and slice of cake or beans on toast!
Sorry was not clear
http://www.aukweb.net/diy/ece/
There is a faq link at bottom that does not work.
Link now fixed.
Its no fun riding 60km to a cold car-park start with no facilities.
for future ref, its worth noting the luxurious services about 200m away.
Its no fun riding 60km to a cold car-park start with no facilities.
+1 I was going to ride to the start of the Poor Student on Saturday and was very glad that I wimped out.
Also, riding to the start is much easier from a morale point of view than being faced with having to ride extra distance at the end of a calendar event. I rarely feel like riding home after an event, whatever distance, and usually get the train.Comes to the same thing - my reason for riding to the start is that I prefer not to drive, because I don't have a car! When the start's in a little place with no railway, riding is the only way to get there - and back. I'm not really too fussed about the points, TBH.
On the other hand, if you add the distance to the end of the calendar event rather than before, you don't have the guesswork element of how much time to allow.
I don't do ECE anyway - my sole reason for riding to the start is simply that I prefer not to drive if I can help it.
Can anyone recommend a front light that can take a 5v usb charge so can power it on the go through the night via a power monkey Needless to say it needs to be bright :)
Can anyone recommend a front light that can take a 5v usb charge so can power it on the go through the night via a power monkey Needless to say it needs to be bright :)
Repeating hill climbs in a perm are a long way from where Audax started - long point-to-point events.
I thought hill reps and repeat loops were out for AAA.
Repeating hill climbs in a perm are a long way from where Audax started - long point-to-point events.
So's 60km AAA DIY's
That's the latest handbook, but it's not strictly current.
The handbook is discontinued, and the content has mostly migrated to the website, with some elements (eg palmares) appearing in Arrivee to maintain their hardcopy presence. There are inevitable inconsistencies, and references to the handbook remain, but they're being worked through.
Agreed. Slightly more exactly, 4 days and 12.33 hours, or 4 days 12 hours 20 minutes.
(If we had an agreed system such as "Gmaps walking" for measuring the counting distance, and if the counting distance was 1324km, you'd have an extra 2 hours on top of that.
I'm not sure where we stand, or where we are going to stand, on that aspect now!)
It would count for the season in which you started the ride. When 600s (eg) are entered on the results, the date is that of the start. So a 1200 starting on 30 September 2015 would be dated 30 September on the results, so it would have to be counted in the 2014-2105 season. Unless I'm wrong!
Is the 'results' section of aukweb a bit slow at updating at the minute?
Is the 'results' section of aukweb a bit slow at updating at the minute?
It's got results up from 9 of the 10 events run on Saturday, and there weren't any calendar events on Sunday or Bank Holiday Monday.
What makes you think it's a bit slow?
Is it me? (might be, I don't know who you really are... I've just about got on top of a backlog after being away for a fortnight. Occasionally something does get overlooked... a gentle enquiry/reminder would be in order anyway.)
Beginner level GPS question. Just bought myself an Etrex 10 in order to secure entry into the Perm / DIY by GPS world. Does the following sound about right in terms of what I need to do in order to record and validate a ride:
1) Travel to start
2) Turn on Etrex 10
3) Reset trip data
4) Do the ride
5) Turn Etrex 10 off without saving anything
6) Plug Etrex 10 into my computer and copy the file named Current.gpx onto my PC so that I can then email it to the organiser
(The "without saving anything" seems particularly counter-intuitive, but as far as I can tell that's what the advice is.)
I'll worry about "intermediate level" stuff like what to do overnight on long rides or what to do whilst changing batteries later. For the time being, would be very grateful if my "six steps" look about right … thx in advance
he may give a view on this
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3) Reset trip data
...
(Someone correct me if the two reset functions are combined in the new Etrex, but they certainly aren't in my Oregon.)
There some events I want to do again next year but they aren't listed for 2016 or the new season. Is it possible they will be added later ? Oasts and Coasts and Man of Kent are the ones I am looking for.
There some events I want to do again next year but they aren't listed for 2016 or the new season. Is it possible they will be added later ? Oasts and Coasts and Man of Kent are the ones I am looking for.
E-mail to the org in the first instance, as to...
[hat] Barring BRM's, I won't hassle Org's for any action until the copydate of Arrivee before the quarter of their event, IYSWIM, so non-electronic readers get time [/hat]
Easy as that. Thanks.
Easy as that. Thanks.
I think it's even easier ...
AIUI (and you'd be better off speaking to someone who *actually* knows ...) rides for the Brevet and Randonneur series get counted independently of each other, so (given that, as LWaB says, the B500 is made up of 5x100 or 150km events), you could ride 50, 100, 150 and 200 for your R500, then top up with 3 more 100s to get your B500.
(And because longer events can substitute for shorter in the R500 series, one of those extra 100s could be substituted for the 50 ...)
Probably. But there is nothing they can do about it. And it really depends on how much of the route is shared (doing it all as a DIY is frowned upon, and adds to the burden of DIY organisers unecessarily, but replicating a bit of of the route much less so. Organisers don't own the roads. I'd suggest 35km diversion falls into the latter scenario, btw).
Sometimes, however, you can come to a "special agreement" with the organiser about the start/finish location. If it is one of my perms (AWE or MH) and we are talking about a reasonable deviation, get in touch and we'll see what can be sorted out. Might not be possible but don't ask, don't get...
Can't be bothered to start a new thread, but is Bob going for O240RTY? :o
http://aukweb.net/results/detail/2016/listride/?Rider=7606
Can't be bothered to start a new thread, but is Bob going for O240RTY? :o
http://aukweb.net/results/detail/2016/listride/?Rider=7606
Normally I'd think it was a glitch, but since it's Bob, I'd bet he really did ride the Old 240 on the 1st and 2nd of November.
He hasn't ridden it in December yet, though. Slacker.
Just back from my December 200 (pending validation etc etc).
Only January to go.
Yes. Contact the recorder.
The ACP's rubric suggested doing the 200-1000 series within a season. Sophie of the ACP specifically noted that the 1000 didn't have to be in the same year as the SR.
The 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 BRMs have to be done in a year (twice), effectively an extended Super Randonneur series.although a few posts later you said it was different for the R5k
The ACP Randonneur 5000 does not require the 1000 to be in the same year as the Super Randonneur series (200, 300, 400, 600).
Have a look at Martin's FAQ number 19 at http://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=273.0Nice one, cheers.
What's the least longest time taken to complete an SR?Assuming you complete each ride on a different day, then 4 days ... 1 day each for the 200, 300, 400 and 600. I'm not convinced that is what you were asking though.
Has anyone done it in 4 days though?What's the least longest time taken to complete an SR?Assuming you complete each ride on a different day, then 4 days ... 1 day each for the 200, 300, 400 and 600. I'm not convinced that is what you were asking though.
^ very achievable clearly, but a little too willy-waving.Yes, that's the only way I can see a "Brevet week" being worthwhile/enjoyable.
I do like the idea of an SR in a week though, but going somewhere new and beautiful (and probably not in the UK!) and spending a week riding, exploring and enjoying it.
Hmm. Could be a top banana week away to round out the summer.
How do I report errors in my results? I've been accredited with a 150km ECE for a 100km DIY I did from my house. :D
Thanks :thumbsup:How do I report errors in my results? I've been accredited with a 150km ECE for a 100km DIY I did from my house. :D
Report the issue to your DIY org; they are best placed to progress the issue.
Thanks :thumbsup:How do I report errors in my results? I've been accredited with a 150km ECE for a 100km DIY I did from my house. :D
Report the issue to your DIY org; they are best placed to progress the issue.
^ very achievable clearly, but a little too willy-waving.
I do like the idea of an SR in a week though, but going somewhere new and beautiful (and probably not in the UK!) and spending a week riding, exploring and enjoying it.
Yes:thumbsup:
Virtual DIY cards, I’ve lost count :facepalm:Every time I use one my DIY organiser tells me how many I have left in the acknowledgement email. Do you have the information in your last recieved email from yours?
I bought some individually, then two lots, used some, DNS a couple, had a DNF GPX failure on one and now can’t work out how many I have left.
When I send off an entry, will the system know if I have a paid for card? Is there any way of seeing what cards I have?
I’m not that fussed, except I wouldn’t want to do a ride only to find it wasn’t valid because I hadn’t paid for a card.
Thanks
Thanks, all sorted now and keeping better count.Virtual DIY cards, I’ve lost count :facepalm:Every time I use one my DIY organiser tells me how many I have left in the acknowledgement email. Do you have the information in your last recieved email from yours?
I bought some individually, then two lots, used some, DNS a couple, had a DNF GPX failure on one and now can’t work out how many I have left.
When I send off an entry, will the system know if I have a paid for card? Is there any way of seeing what cards I have?
I’m not that fussed, except I wouldn’t want to do a ride only to find it wasn’t valid because I hadn’t paid for a card.
Thanks
Or just drop him an email to ask.
(I look adorable with the puppy filter).
If it's possible to extract this raw track - maybe it's as simple as it being saved to something like an Apps/Strava/GPX folder on your device - I'd guess that's the best format to submit, as unprocessed as possible.Not possible as far as I can tell. At least not easily. Don't think you can access the app data folder unless you have rooted your phone. And I suspect it records the track in some non-standard format anyway.
My prefered GPS recording device is the Strava Android app. Can you use a GPS track downloaded from Strava for proof of a mandatory DIY ride?
The detailed instructions at aukweb make it sound like possibly not?
"Processing the file in some software or websites can remove some of those elements and give the appearance of tracklog created by a computer.
AUK expects ‘raw data’ as far as possible."
Thanks!
Already an AUK brevet has been completed on a skateboard.When and where was that?
9.3 Any kind of cycle may be ridden, with the following conditions:
9.3.1 The cycle is propelled solely by human effort. ...
It was about 25 years ago and it was a place-to-place (not a circuit) populaire that started quite a bit higher than it finished. It also had an element of rough off-road so a bit of running with the skateboard under the arm was involved.Electrically assisted bikes are only allowed on BPs not BRs, aren't they? Or maybe they're allowed to enter BRs too but don't get validated or something?
More notably PBP has been ridden, and with a good time, on a kick-scooter. I think that has subsequently been outlawed by ACP.
AUK current regs:Quote9.3 Any kind of cycle may be ridden, with the following conditions:
9.3.1 The cycle is propelled solely by human effort. ...
(Despite this, AUK seem to be relaxed about participants on electrically-assisted bikes)
Sounds as if ACP are strict about cycles being cycles whereas AUK are more relaxed.It was about 25 years ago and it was a place-to-place (not a circuit) populaire that started quite a bit higher than it finished. It also had an element of rough off-road so a bit of running with the skateboard under the arm was involved.Electrically assisted bikes are only allowed on BPs not BRs, aren't they? Or maybe they're allowed to enter BRs too but don't get validated or something?
More notably PBP has been ridden, and with a good time, on a kick-scooter. I think that has subsequently been outlawed by ACP.
AUK current regs:Quote9.3 Any kind of cycle may be ridden, with the following conditions:
9.3.1 The cycle is propelled solely by human effort. ...
(Despite this, AUK seem to be relaxed about participants on electrically-assisted bikes)
It was about 25 years ago and it was a place-to-place (not a circuit) populaire that started quite a bit higher than it finished. It also had an element of rough off-road so a bit of running with the skateboard under the arm was involved.I remember it as being the Cut Gate roughstuff event, done by Graham Moult on skateboard.
Wow. Impressive. In many ways. That does't look like somewhere to go skateboarding to me – or audaxing. It looks like somewhere to maybe sit down, make a cup of tea, enjoy the sunshine and pitch camp with some friends. Beautiful however you get there.It was about 25 years ago and it was a place-to-place (not a circuit) populaire that started quite a bit higher than it finished. It also had an element of rough off-road so a bit of running with the skateboard under the arm was involved.I remember it as being the Cut Gate roughstuff event, done by Graham Moult on skateboard.
(The Cut Gate track is between Langsett and Ladybower reservoirs, in the Dark Peak)
(http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/97/96/1979632_00c2c5cb.jpg)
(from geograph (http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1979632))
I thought the point of 'skateboarding' here was not skateboarding but covering parts on foot with rather more portable wheels than a bike.Yup, that was my interpretation. A runner with minimal luggage beats a mountain-biker if the terrain is bad enough.
Probably been asked before, but I can't find the answer - please slap me and point me in the right direction if I'm missing something obvious...
Is it possible for a Perm organiser to validate a ride from a GPX track? ie the rider submits the GPS track rather than traditional PoP.
I'm asking this as a would-be Perm organiser who would like to be able to offer this facility (not suggesting that all Perm organisers should offer the option).
Wow. Impressive. In many ways. That does't look like somewhere to go skateboarding to me – or audaxing. It looks like somewhere to maybe sit down, make a cup of tea, enjoy the sunshine and pitch camp with some friends. Beautiful however you get there.It was about 25 years ago and it was a place-to-place (not a circuit) populaire that started quite a bit higher than it finished. It also had an element of rough off-road so a bit of running with the skateboard under the arm was involved.I remember it as being the Cut Gate roughstuff event, done by Graham Moult on skateboard.
(The Cut Gate track is between Langsett and Ladybower reservoirs, in the Dark Peak)
(http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/97/96/1979632_00c2c5cb.jpg)
(from geograph (http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1979632))
ETA: although I hope that by raising this matter I haven't inadvertently kicked a hornet's nest... that was certainly not my intention.
If you look at the page for example for this Permanent:
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PL02/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PL02/)
Currently there are just 12 Perms set up in this way, but I imagine it will be a growth area. The Perm does need to be enterable by PayPal, and you as org do need to supply (one time only) a small 'outline' gpx file describing the route - basically just one point per control.
...the basic rule is that you have to say when you are going to ride before you actually set off...
What's the best way to enter perms, I'm thinking of doing a grimpeurs du sud qualifying 20p in July. I figured best to get the entry in and have the brevet card ready for whichever date I choose. but when entering the systems asks for a date to ride. Is the date filled in when entering binding?
No, the Easter Arrow is not a PBP qualifier.Thanks, figured that would be the case.
A certain DIY org accepts entries with a ride date 99 years in the future. He then allow riders to bring forward their ride at the last minute e.g. by sending an email just before they start (or possibly the night before - I haven't tested this arrangement yet!)What's the best way to enter perms, I'm thinking of doing a grimpeurs du sud qualifying 20p in July. I figured best to get the entry in and have the brevet card ready for whichever date I choose. but when entering the systems asks for a date to ride. Is the date filled in when entering binding?
Double check with the organiser for the perm - my organiser for DIYs allows date changes up to 2359 the day before.
No, the Easter Arrow is not a PBP qualifier.Thanks, figured that would be the case.
Only BRM rides within the right date periods can be qualifiers.
In 2015, all the valid qualifying rides were highlighted on the online calendar. Presumably a similar arrangement will apply in 2019.
for a Rand 1000 award, is that OK to have 3 x 200 + 1 X 400?
... and I would say not. ;) ::-)
You need a 300, a 200 and a 100, and your 400 and 2x200s cover those three, using the longer-for-shorter provision. That leaves you with one 200 and you need "plus another 400km worth of events".
You would only need to add a 100 to your 3x200 + 1x400 - that would give you 2x200s free to cover the extra 400km-worth required.
It's a good question that - I've never seen it raised before, in the 20-odd years this award has been rinning.
Then do another 200. FF was giving you the minimum distance option to qualify for the award.
It is already SR-lite, with no night riding required at all.
Certainly agree with that.
... there is a noticeable difference between a 300 and a 400 for most folk and not that much between a 200 and a 300.
How do you manage your energy so that you can work for a living and do a hobby that's so demanding?It's a fair question!
These days, I'm knackered after a week at work. I don't have it in me to be riding hundreds of km every weekend.
These days, I'm knackered after a week at work. I don't have it in me to be riding hundreds of km every weekend.
These days, I'm knackered after a randonnee. I don't have it in me to put in a proper shift at work on Mondays.
How do you manage your energy so that you can work for a living and do a hobby that's so demanding?Work is mentally demanding, audax is physically demanding but gives me a good chance to switch the brain off for extended periods. Also it really helps reduce my stress levels.
These days, I'm knackered after a week at work. I don't have it in me to be riding hundreds of km every weekend.
Pretty much as above. When I get home from work feeling "tired" it is mainly in my head. If I can drag myself out on the bike after work, once I am out I feel ready to go.How do you manage your energy so that you can work for a living and do a hobby that's so demanding?Work is mentally demanding, audax is physically demanding but gives me a good chance to switch the brain off for extended periods. Also it really helps reduce my stress levels.
These days, I'm knackered after a week at work. I don't have it in me to be riding hundreds of km every weekend.
So the only issue is getting enough sleep. 200s and 300s don't interfere with that for me.
Otherwise, 2-4 minutes per kilometre for under 600km.
Are the numbers on the brevet card even meant to be representative of the distance by shortest route?
Are the numbers on the brevet card even meant to be representative of the distance by shortest route?
Yes.
They are calculated from the Shortest Distance to the control, divided by the Max / Min speeds ( typically 30/15kph, but not always ).
The Shortest Distance is assessed as I already described.
I presume the reality is going to be more along the lines of "Whatever the organiser submits and the AUK bod doesn't object to")
(I presume the reality is going to be more along the lines of "Whatever the organiser submits and the AUK bod doesn't object to")
As far as I’m aware the Organisers handbook is silent on whether the distances shown on the Brevet represent the official route or shortest distance.
I've just emailed my regional event organiser to request the calendar entries for the events I organise to be updated to indicate they have mandatory/set routes.
As far as I’m aware the Organisers handbook is silent on whether the distances shown on the Brevet represent the official route or shortest distance. Ideally they would be the same but they never are. As is, the control times published in the Brevet are derived from the registered control distances.
I’ve always taken the view the Brevet distances should match the official routesheet as it what most riders would expect though technically perhaps they should show the actual shortest allowed, but then showing different distances in the brevet and routesheet inevitably generates further confusion and debate, all of which acts to undermine AUK Events and Event Organisers.
It's an option but I guess then you as Organiser have to satisfy yourself (and ultimately AUK) that your riders are indeed following the prescribed route. I think at the very least you would need to add an advice to the top of the routesheet:
YOU SHOULD FOLLOW THIS ROUTE AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE
or some such, possibly worded more strongly.
ISTM that secret controls are rather obsolete nowadays. Much simpler just to keep an eye out on social media for riders banging on publically about not following the published route without a good and valid reason, i.e., one which the org agrees with**, then DQ 'em.I'd bet that most infringements - at least in the early days - will be due to GPS users following "illegal" tracks that didn't come with any warning from their creators.
Think of the hours of online fun that will generate!
ISTM that secret controls are rather obsolete nowadays. Much simpler just to keep an eye out on social media for riders banging on publically about not following the published route without a good and valid reason, i.e., one which the org agrees with**, then DQ 'em.I'd bet that most infringements - at least in the early days - will be due to GPS users following "illegal" tracks that didn't come with any warning from their creators.
Think of the hours of online fun that will generate!
Now I'm really confused ???
I thought it was perfectly acceptable to choose any route between controls as long as it's not a Mandatory route event?
AAA gets totalled with no regard to distance. If you want to make a distinction, that is up to you.
If I ECE a 100+100, I get assigned 2perm points.
If it's a AAA event, but the ECE attracts no AAA, what would happen to my AAA poinmts? Would they stay assigned as BP or or would they become BR points?
(I'm trying to get an untarnished 100AAA from BR or BRM this season, but like the look of a few shorter events coming up)
What is the benefit/rationale behind use of a mandatory route for a calendar event?
Thought I'd ask this here instead... What is the benefit/rationale behind use of a mandatory route for a calendar event?
If I ECE a 100+100, I get assigned 2perm points.
If it's a AAA event, but the ECE attracts no AAA, what would happen to my AAA poinmts? Would they stay assigned as BP or or would they become BR points?
But how does this page make the distinction?
http://www.aukweb.net/users/aaasec/aaa-total-brs.php (http://www.aukweb.net/users/aaasec/aaa-total-brs.php)
I imagine that frankly frankie knows the answer.
Thought I'd ask this here instead... What is the benefit/rationale behind use of a mandatory route for a calendar event?Mandatory DIYs work because YOU choose the route YOURSELF.
On a calendar Audax the route is set by the ORGANISER, but only to the extent that you must pass through all the controls. Often on a route set by someone else I find some bits of the route are less than ideal for my particular riding likes.
...
Mandatory using someone else’s choice = NO THANKYOU
Thought I'd ask this here instead... What is the benefit/rationale behind use of a mandatory route for a calendar event?Mandatory DIYs work because YOU choose the route YOURSELF.
On a calendar Audax the route is set by the ORGANISER, but only to the extent that you must pass through all the controls. Often on a route set by someone else I find some bits of the route are less than ideal for my particular riding likes.
...
Mandatory using someone else’s choice = NO THANKYOU
Nevertheless the option does exist.
Obviously you would need to be notified up-front, that it is to be run as a mandatory route - so you have the option of taking your custom elsewhere.
Here is such an event in the Calendar. Note the 2nd line of red text, this is displayed for any mandatory route event.
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-943/ (http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-943/)
If I ECE a 100+100, I get assigned 2perm points.
If it's a AAA event, but the ECE attracts no AAA, what would happen to my AAA poinmts? Would they stay assigned as BP or or would they become BR points?But how does this page make the distinction?
http://www.aukweb.net/users/aaasec/aaa-total-brs.php (http://www.aukweb.net/users/aaasec/aaa-total-brs.php)I imagine that frankly frankie knows the answer.
Yes.
I think I would contest the original premise, that 100+100 = 2 perm points. It may be, but any perm points are also BR points. They have to be because Populaires don't carry points.
In this instance I think (without actually going through the 800 lines of code, which would be extremely tiresome) the AAA points follow suit.
(The real problem is AUK's stupid insistence that ECEs are "a type of Permanent" - obviously thay are not.) </rant>
I’m confused as to why we seem to need mandatory calendar events.
If I ECE a 100+100, I get assigned 2perm points.
If it's a AAA event, but the ECE attracts no AAA, what would happen to my AAA poinmts? Would they stay assigned as BP or or would they become BR points?But how does this page make the distinction?
http://www.aukweb.net/users/aaasec/aaa-total-brs.php (http://www.aukweb.net/users/aaasec/aaa-total-brs.php)I imagine that frankly frankie knows the answer.
Yes.
I think I would contest the original premise, that 100+100 = 2 perm points. It may be, but any perm points are also BR points. They have to be because Populaires don't carry points.
In this instance I think (without actually going through the 800 lines of code, which would be extremely tiresome) the AAA points follow suit.
(The real problem is AUK's stupid insistence that ECEs are "a type of Permanent" - obviously thay are not.) </rant>
I suppose there's only one way for me to find out......
I'll have a little peruse of the points table and see if I can find out. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I’m confused as to why we seem to need mandatory calendar events.
Because when we agreed to offer the option of mandatory routes, we thought it should apply to all categories of event, whether calendar, perm or DIY.
Very few calendar event organisers have opted for it, but it allows the option of planning a more convoluted route with the potential for shortcuts, without necessarily having to arrange an excessive number of controls.
There is no current provision for calendar events to offer GPS proof of passage. While it might become an option in the future, I don't see it becoming mandatory. Meantime, organisers can use (the threat of) secret controls to ensure route integrity on mandatory route events.
Mandatory route events mean exactly that. Most events are advisory routes, so you can use whatever roads you like that get you to the controls within their time limits.
- Your event is 200km or less (and not BRM)
- You use the Start/Finish List to submit your results online, and
- You have a previous record of prompt and accurate submission of results.
THE IDEA OF AUDAX was first formulated in 1897 in Italy. One had to swim, run, walk, or cycle a set distance in 14 hours which was approximately the time between sunrise and sunset. The distance to be covered by cycling was 200 kilometres.
IN 1904 Henri Desgrange - the managing director of the magazine Auto visited Italy and was so impressed with the idea that he produced some regulations. These Audax regulations formed cyclists into groups, each with its captain, which stayed together for the entire ride. This method of riding is known today as Euraudax.Now I'm not even sure if the Desgrange regs did specify fixed route? Can someone confirm?
Something that just came up on Facebook ...
Where did the idea of a fixed set-of-checkpoints (or fixed route ) come in/from? As opposed to merely a fixed distance betwixt Dawn And Dusk. Was it purely an Henri Desgrange idea?
I've flicked through the usual historical documents, and we seemed to leap from this:QuoteTHE IDEA OF AUDAX was first formulated in 1897 in Italy. One had to swim, run, walk, or cycle a set distance in 14 hours which was approximately the time between sunrise and sunset. The distance to be covered by cycling was 200 kilometres.
... to this ...QuoteIN 1904 Henri Desgrange - the managing director of the magazine Auto visited Italy and was so impressed with the idea that he produced some regulations. These Audax regulations formed cyclists into groups, each with its captain, which stayed together for the entire ride. This method of riding is known today as Euraudax.Now I'm not even sure if the Desgrange regs did specify fixed route? Can someone confirm?
you can enter any time you like as long as it's before you start riding.
QuoteIN 1904 Henri Desgrange - the managing director of the magazine Auto visited Italy and was so impressed with the idea that he produced some regulations. These Audax regulations formed cyclists into groups, each with its captain, which stayed together for the entire ride. This method of riding is known today as Euraudax.Now I'm not even sure if the Desgrange regs did specify fixed route? Can someone confirm?
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...QuoteIN 1904 Henri Desgrange - the managing director of the magazine Auto visited Italy and was so impressed with the idea that he produced some regulations. These Audax regulations formed cyclists into groups, each with its captain, which stayed together for the entire ride. This method of riding is known today as Euraudax.Now I'm not even sure if the Desgrange regs did specify fixed route? Can someone confirm?
I would suggest the fact that there is a captain and everyone else has to stay with heavily implies a fixed route, even if it is only inside the captain's head.
Proper Audax was and is ridden to a schedule. The routesheets published before the event have schedule times (to the minute) for each turn. You can't do that unless the route is fixed.Believe me, I'm not disputing any of that!!!
Audax routes were typically the major roads because they were the best surfaced (important in the days before asphalt) and had virtually no motor traffic. Similarly, the Great North Road (A1) and Portsmouth Road (A3) in England were some of the major British cycling routes before World War 1. PBP Randonneur was mostly routed on major roads until the 1970s, when some PBPers were killed by motor vehicles. PBP Audax stayed on big roads for a while afterwards (group riding and follow vehicles reduced the risk somewhat) but today is routed almost entirely on more minor roads.
The first Audax Italiano rides were point-to-point (the first was Naples-Rome, about 230km), ridden as a group with a captain setting the pace of the group to complete the route within the allowable time. The first French Audax brevets were much the same but more formalised and with loop courses becoming the norm. I'm not sure if the Italians stuck with point-to-point routes or also went to 'big loop' routes. I thought it was the French, not the Italians, who added other activities to the cycling brevets (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1200.0 gives the years each activity was introduced) but I've been wrong plenty of times before.
The French routesheets had specific times at each turn, which would be difficult to do without a fixed route. The routes were along the main roads (with the best surfaces to ride on) and were generally the shortest distance between those points. If there was a problem, it was the captain's responsibility to reroute the group around the problem. I think that the modern understanding of a mandatory route matches the historical format pretty well.
Via the website is probably best.
Me again.
(For calendar events) If the routesheet specifies a particular cafe for a control but there are other shops/pubs etc nearby (as in on the same street), can you get a receipt from elsewhere and use this as PoP?
(For calendar events) If the routesheet specifies a particular cafe for a control but there are other shops/pubs etc nearby (as in on the same street), can you get a receipt from elsewhere and use this as PoP?
Are you not thinking of the facilities key? - http://www.aukweb.net/events/facilitieskey/
The format of the routesheet differs between organisers, but they're fairly self explanatory. What's baffling you?
Does anyone know where I can find the official route of LEL from last year? I'm looking to ride to Edinburgh next week from London and want to follow it.I'm not sure they're the official ones, but you can find them on ridewithgps.com using the names of the controls as keywords (e.g. "Loughton StIves").
Apparently there was an article in Arrivée on riding in The Alps by Bob Bialek. Does anyone know which issue it was in?According to Bob, he's never ridden in the Alps.
Organisers/Controllers,Vistaprint/123print do custom or if you want more weird try Etsy.
Where's a good place to get stamps that are suitable for marking brevet cards?
I've had a look at places like Rymans but haven't found anything I really like so far.
Vistaprint/123print do custom or if you want more weird try Etsy.
Stamps Direct.
https://www.stampsdirect.co.uk/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlaeihtP-3AIVDrHtCh1R1Qk-EAAYASAAEgJRrvD_BwE
They're very good.
Stamps Direct.
https://www.stampsdirect.co.uk/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlaeihtP-3AIVDrHtCh1R1Qk-EAAYASAAEgJRrvD_BwE
Funny you should mention Stamps Direct - I've just this minuted placed an order with them... :thumbsup:
Stamps Direct.
https://www.stampsdirect.co.uk/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlaeihtP-3AIVDrHtCh1R1Qk-EAAYASAAEgJRrvD_BwE
Funny you should mention Stamps Direct - I've just this minuted placed an order with them... :thumbsup:
...and they've already arrived, which is impressively quick service. And they're ace! I am inordinately pleased with them.
Good to see. Makes a change from other things!
(Have consulted all the various FAQ pages and the AUK Regs but can’t find an answer to this one)
I have a vague memory that if a multi-day ride crosses an official time boundary then there’s a degree of latitude allowed in terms of the date to which it gets officially allocated - but an equally vaguely memory suggests that this might just be an RRtY thing rather than a points table and SR thing.
What I have in mind is starting a 500 or 600 DIY on Sunday 30 September 2018 and completing the ride the following day, Monday 1 October.
Subject to declaring it as my intention in advance, would I be allowed to have the ride and accompanying points attributed to the official 2018-2019 points table rather than the 2017-2018 table? Or is this flexibility limited to RRtY attribution only? (Or have I just dreamt up the whole thing.)
TIA
Is it still an Audax if you don't buy at least one thing from a Co-op?
I mean I have nothing to print off either, it says that the event organiser should Sign on my arrive at the start of the calendar event, but what should they sign exactly?That's a hangover from (now rather rare) printed cards for ECEs
The automated email has a Tracklog uploader at the bottom of it - I think I will retain receipts until they are requested.Always a wise move in case of technical failure. AFAIK you can use a photocopy or scan of the validated calendar event brevet card as part of your bundle of evidence if you don't get a receipt from the start/finish of the calendar event.
The proof for the 'finish control' of the extension "to" which is the start of the calendar event - so the calendar event can sign it (if you are using paper). Ditto for the extended leg "from", the calendar event organiser can sign as the "start control" for that bit.
If we had a Random Audax Whinges thread:(click to show/hide)
can anyone remind me what i need to do for a brm event completed abroad to show up on my auk account. the homologation list is here (https://www.alpi4000.it/en/patented)
You need the perm brevet card unless you entered one of the few perms that can be validated by gps.
I didn't get one of those...
Meh, I'll drop the organiser an email at a later date. They've better things to do than be harrassed by me!
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Not sure.I didn't get one of those...
Meh, I'll drop the organiser an email at a later date. They've better things to do than be harrassed by me!
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What happened?
I assume the orgs holidaying or somesuch. I'm in the same boat for tomorrow, so have dropped an email.
I'm gonna ride anyway - good day for a ride to the coast, regardless of validation.
I have a quickie about riding perms that have AAA points with GPS validation. Basically are AAA points affected by deviation from the route?
Presumably if you were validating in the traditional way with brevet card, deviating from the route a little to miss a stinger of a climb in favour of a slightly gentler one would be fine and no one would know in any case, if you're validating with a GPS file could the organiser take a dim view of this?
I have certainly been validated with GPS on at least one perm where I definitely went off route for the last 25km but still controlled where I needed to control.
can anyone remind me what i need to do for a brm event completed abroad to show up on my auk account. the homologation list is here (https://www.alpi4000.it/en/patented)
Send an e-mail to the recorder. Or use the contact form on the AUK website.
can anyone remind me what i need to do for a brm event completed abroad to show up on my auk account. the homologation list is here (https://www.alpi4000.it/en/patented)
Send an e-mail to the recorder. Or use the contact form on the AUK website.
thanks rob, i've sent a message to the recorder, but no reply or updates yet to my "results" in almost a month..
yes, i've checked the results today, hence this little notecan anyone remind me what i need to do for a brm event completed abroad to show up on my auk account. the homologation list is here (https://www.alpi4000.it/en/patented)
Send an e-mail to the recorder. Or use the contact form on the AUK website.
thanks rob, i've sent a message to the recorder, but no reply or updates yet to my "results" in almost a month..
Results are back up as of today. Each year there is a period when they become unavailable due to end of year processing (ie during October). This year's seems to have been longer than prior years, but it looks like everything is done now.
Per team, only the captains submit an entry on behalf of their team.
Can you ECE an arrow?
Can you ECE an arrow?
Can you ECE an arrow?
It has been done: http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2017/listride/?Rider=14766
An interesting season - if I'm reading it right, Mr Gee only does 600s between December and Easter.Can you ECE an arrow?
It has been done: http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2017/listride/?Rider=14766
Say you've got a route that crosses a bridge that's known to be closed for extended periods due to what's known as a "Police Incident".
How would that be handled if a closure occurred during a ride?
I usually start on one side of the bridge but would be under-distance if I set the end to the other side and there isn't much scope to divert it enough without a control in the middle of nowhere to get the 200km mark to land on the other end.
Not that the bridge operators ever remember to close the shared use down the middle during such an incident, as i discovered once.
Does anyone have a route from Bristol towards London they'd reccomend?The path to Bath is very nice!
The path to Bath is a very good start (except when it's full of skateboarders doing a charity ride!). I'd probably then head up Bannerdown, past Colerne, north of Chippenham to Sutton Benger, Broad Hinton, into Wroughton on the A4361 (maybe) and stay south of Swindon before heading on to Wantage, through the Lockinges and Harwell, skirting the southeast corner of Didcot – the gravel path along the railway to South Moreton has been pretty good the couple of times I've used it, doesn't look like it would get too muddy even in winter. And after that, I have no idea.Thanks to you both.
During PBP only or also dying later as a result of injuries sustained during PBP? The total since PBP began is in single figures.
Have look at topic 1200 on YACF. It lists all of the PBPers that I know of who have died as a result of PBP crashes. From memory, there are about five PBPers, which is pretty low considering the number of entrants, the duration of the event and how many years PBP has been running for.
An interesting season - if I'm reading it right, Mr Gee only does 600s between December and Easter.Can you ECE an arrow?
It has been done: http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2017/listride/?Rider=14766
Where do I find the online start/finish list for my perm? I can't see a link to it on the organiser's section of the (old) website..
Hmm. I thought you might get "update rider list" offered next to each of them.
Actually 6 PBPers have died from crashes during the event, usually with motor vehicles. 1 in 1961, 1 in 1966, 2 in 1975, 1 in 2007 (after the event) and 1 in 2011.
So 4 PBPs, averaging 5000 riders averaging 1200km (I know some rough estimates but this is an order of magnitude question) - that 24m kilometres for 2 fatalities or 12m km (7.5m miles) per fatality.
Excellent statto point there :thumbsup:So 4 PBPs, averaging 5000 riders averaging 1200km (I know some rough estimates but this is an order of magnitude question) - that 24m kilometres for 2 fatalities or 12m km (7.5m miles) per fatality.
If we assume no one died on the PBPs not mentioned, surely we need to include those in the multiplication too?
Otherwise you've calculated "risk of dying on a PBP where somebody died".
Ah, new perm org syndrome. your perms have to be validated by the permsec. you submit them for validation by post.
"Start / Finish list
There is a Start / Finish list on your organiser page..."
No, there isn't. It's not just that I can't edit the list, there is no list at all - or at least no link to the list. It makes no sense to me that an org wouldn't be able to see the start/finish list for their own event and sounds more like the result of a glitch in the system than nannying of a new org.
Having logged in and gone to 'Organisers' in the blue sidebar you don't see your Permanent(s) listed?
(https://www.aukweb.net/gifs/image.jpg)
It could be a new organiser thing as Manotea suggests but I’m awaiting clarification from the permsec on this.
No I think it must be a glitch. What is the Event Number of your Permanent?
But that's rather a big structural change to undertake when the website has a limited future.
I was wrong, visibility of the list is an option settable by John. I've made yours visible. Simply adding a Date Ridden to any line in the list makes it 'Provisional'** and passes it on to John for rubber-stamping.What is John checking before "rubber-stamping" the rides? (By which I really mean - what can he see to check?? Should one still post completed cards to him?)
** Provisional results are immediately visible publicly but not fully integrated (points totals etc) until the next day.
I was wrong, visibility of the list is an option settable by John. I've made yours visible.
appologies if this has been asked before, but regarding Audax route sheets etc ( its been a few years since I last did a 200k) do many folks still use the printed paper sheet on the ride, or have most now gone over to Garmin / download stuff?I use both, garmin gpx route and the printed route sheet..
I use both on all rides now, but there are still some who only use routesheets.
No, the backup is pages from a road atlas. I was, and would be, happy with just the route sheet.I use both on all rides now, but there are still some who only use routesheets.
So am I right in thinking the sheet is a 'backup' , I mean if you went out without the garmin, would you feel 'ill prepared / naked'
Just flicking through the latest event results and saw that some people have a "20xxx" membership number - does that mean more than 1,000 people joined AUK as members during 2018?And expect to see 21xxx very soon in the results, as we passed that number not long after new year.
How exactly does a secret control work? e.g. on a mandatory route calendar event... Can't seem to find any info.
Secret controls used to be quite common in AUK brevets last century.
When did they stop being mandatory and why?
I've planned a route to ECE the Wigginton Spring 100. Now I've downloaded a gpx of the route and quite a bit of it overlaps with my ECE route. Is this allowed?I think it's ok if you are going in the opposite direction. Not so sure if you use the same route the same way twice. Best check with the eve organiser.
So claiming an overseas 200 etc. is just a case of e-mailing the recorder with some sort of proof? What's the e-mail address?Anyone had a ride added recently? Still no sign in my results.
EDIT - Disnae matter. Found the contact form on the website.
Found this also when routing in the lakes which resulted in me going mandatory routing...I can see why this would favour your use of GPX validation, but that doesn't mean it has to be a mandatory route, just that your GPX file shows you've gone through the control points.
Found this also when routing in the lakes which resulted in me going mandatory routing...I can see why this would favour your use of GPX validation, but that doesn't mean it has to be a mandatory route, just that your GPX file shows you've gone through the control points.
Should I be pronouncing Audax as:I think the latter is much sexier.
Oar-dax (as in rowing)
Oww-dax (as in stubbing my toe)
Something else?
How do I find out if I have any virtual brevet cards left?
Just checked mine because I'd never noticed that before, but can't see it.How do I find out if I have any virtual brevet cards left?
Find the entry confirmation email from the last one you did. It lists the number remaining at the bottom.
Just checked mine because I'd never noticed that before, but can't see it.
Should I be pronouncing Audax as:I think the latter is much sexier.
Oar-dax (as in rowing)
Oww-dax (as in stubbing my toe)
Something else?
But I confess I can't help using the "oar" version - to match audacious.
It doesn't really matter - and I've never seen an official dictum - as none of us are romans/greeks!
Should I be pronouncing Audax as:I think the latter is much sexier.
Oar-dax (as in rowing)
Oww-dax (as in stubbing my toe)
Something else?
But I confess I can't help using the "oar" version - to match audacious.
It doesn't really matter - and I've never seen an official dictum - as none of us are romans/greeks!
The word cropped up on University Challenge a couple of weeks ago - I can't remember how Paxman said it (in fact he probably didn't, it was an answer to a question so he probably just said 'yes' as he tossed the cue-card away).
I've noticed that Google Walking mode has an increasing number of mountain passes that are perhaps not the best routing for a DIY Perm.
For example, feed it Pitlochry to Braemar and it'll take you up the Lairg into the Spittal of Glenshee; possibly fine on an MTB or as a Rough Stuff Ride (I don't know) but a ball ache for a DIY Perm as
I'm not really wanting to set an intermediary at Dalrulzion unless absolutely necessary (alternative proof of passage impossible)
Similarly I've just discovered it seems to like the Fungle Road as a route from Braemar to Fetterey when set to walking, aye right I'm doing that on 28mm tyres...
Found this also when routing in the lakes which resulted in me going mandatory routing...
Is this as much a risk to our niché as the ongoing death of cash machines and paper receipts?
Randomly discovered FEs concern about Google Walking Mode, which has vexed me too. I frequently do a clockwise Deeside Loop from Banchory, my fave summer ride, as a 200k DIY except that Google insists on routing Kirriemuir-Banchory past Dalnaglar Castle and over a deep burn [Shee Water], where there is no sign of any past or present bridge or ford [I have been there and looked]. So I can put in an extra point on a route that is otherwise elegant in its minimalism, with 3 controls plus start/finish. Yes I know the advice is every 50k, but...
The entry form defaults to 14.3 (possibly because it follows the BR entry form) but BPs are a little different. From https://www.audax.uk/about-audax/classifications/ "These shorter rides - usually up to 200km - are called Brevet Populaires (BP) and may usually be ridden at minimum speeds of between 10km-12.5km per hour and maximum speeds of 20km-25km per hour."
I suspect an email to your preferred DIY organiser would sort this out.
Do nothing until proper entry opens in January 2021. Your place is guaranteed until then.Smashing.
The August entry is just to get some money in the bank from the especially keen.
Do nothing until proper entry opens in January 2021. Your place is guaranteed until then.
Direct debit would be preferable, it is the sort of thing I'd forget to do. (renew)Do nothing until proper entry opens in January 2021. Your place is guaranteed until then.
It's only guaranteed if you renew your AUK membership before Jan 1st 2020 and again before Jan 1st 2021 (unless of course you have a 5 years membership covering that time frame ... Anyone not renewing in time will be removed from the guaranteed list.
I am hoping we will be able to announce an option to pay your membership by direct debit soon - switching to that will be ideal for anyone not wanting their membership to lapse.
Direct debit would be preferable, it is the sort of thing I'd forget to do. (renew)Do nothing until proper entry opens in January 2021. Your place is guaranteed until then.
It's only guaranteed if you renew your AUK membership before Jan 1st 2020 and again before Jan 1st 2021 (unless of course you have a 5 years membership covering that time frame ... Anyone not renewing in time will be removed from the guaranteed list.
I am hoping we will be able to announce an option to pay your membership by direct debit soon - switching to that will be ideal for anyone not wanting their membership to lapse.
But happily, LEL or not, I hadn't planned on purposefully lapsing my membership.
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Has anyone got experience getting one added to their AUK results?
Anyone had a ride added recently? Still no sign in my results.
Not a question, just an anecdote.
On Sunday I met a group of six riders at the end of one of the gravel sections of the Foss Way near Malmesbury, standing around waiting for someone or something, with Carradices and so on. "Are you doing an audax?" I asked. "No audaxing for us today," one of them replied. "Okay, you just looked a bit audaxy." "Why's that?" asks rider one. Before I have to think of an answer, number two jumps in: "It's the Carradices!" "No," says number three, "it's the plain jerseys." "What it really is," finishes number four, "is we just look weird." ;D
Leave it in, the org will work it out. (They use the website below which overlays your 'intended' and 'actual' GPX files - you can try this yourself to see how it works. http://www.aukweb.net/routevalidator )
As a previous (fair while ago thobut) audaxer, I'm just wondering if this is an actual audax? It's being advertised as one, but invites teams to apply and to complete the course within a specified time in a rather race-like fashion, which is not how I remember things. https://www.facebook.com/cafeporteur/videos/480249432827059/to be fair they aren't necessarily advertising it as an audax - it is a legitimate use of a hashtag to market material that would be of interest to followers of the #audax hashtag e.g. a new model of bike geared towards long distance cycling.
1. Yes.
2. You're meant to send a scan of the returned brevet card, but for the three I've done I didn't get the card back nor did they have online results. They've all been credited eventually though.
(AIUI some countries' organisations only hand cards back at their end of the season reunion rather than posting them)
The linger awards (brevet 25000 and randonneur 100000) refer to total kms ridden in br and brm events
Does this mean rides short than 200km count?
I assume it doesn't add up all the listed distances just the event nominal distances, is this correct?
D'ohThe linger awards (brevet 25000 and randonneur 100000) refer to total kms ridden in br and brm events
Does this mean rides short than 200km count?
Rides shorter than 200km can't be BR or BRM. They're BP so they don't count for those awards.
It was possible to download a membership card, and print it yourself. Don't know if that still works.Yes it is still possible, and even enhanced so you can include an uploaded photo. It's available from the "My account" menu.
And is there any point anyway? What are you going to do with the card?
Are you allowed to super tuck?Only if it's too big to put anywhere else.
My impressions from the perspective of North East England:
- starting to get over the impact of covid, calendar events still have the same camaraderie, although the full experience (catering, village or church hall base) may not yet available
- local organisers making extra efforts to provide a range of events
- DIY an increasingly easy option with use of gpx and mandatory route, the system through the audax website seems to work well and is easy to use
So basically, Dale, it's got more complicated! Where you bin, any road?
Say hello to Steven and Carol Hinde for me. I enjoyed staying at their place (and borrowing one of his bikes) for a Vancouver Island 400 a few years ago. A lovely part of the world to ride.You've done a lot more audaxing around the globe than I have, so that last sentence scares me. I've haaaated it here* in terms of bike riding.
Say hello to Steven and Carol Hinde for me. I enjoyed staying at their place (and borrowing one of his bikes) for a Vancouver Island 400 a few years ago. A lovely part of the world to ride.You've done a lot more audaxing around the globe than I have, so that last sentence scares me. I've haaaated it here* in terms of bike riding.
(* here being the lower mainland and Vancouver Island. Not sure what it's like in the interior.)
I enjoyed the northern section of the 400 from Nanaimo. Fairly quiet roads with lots of trees and some big lakes. Seeing a firebomber flying boat picking up water beside me a couple of times and almost running over a young bear probably coloured my memories. I admit that the southern section was not quite so pretty.
Sorry to hear that. My miniscule experience was that it got rather good if only you traveled two or three dozen miles up north. Not that that helps those of us who don't drive of course.
One of the few good things to come out of the pandemic is hastening the rollout of the e-brevet. No more queuing at the Co-op for a receipt!
One of the few good things to come out of the pandemic is hastening the rollout of the e-brevet. No more queuing at the Co-op for a receipt!
Does it work for a BRM?
J
You'd have to go some, I averaged 16-17 moving speed on KAW - wouldn't leave much room for cafe stops!
Trying to enter an ECE for an event tonight (10 pm), but the link on the calendar page says it's in the past and it won't let me enter...
Trying to enter an ECE for an event tonight (10 pm), but the link on the calendar page says it's in the past and it won't let me enter... Is there any way to enter by email? Fishing about the FAQs, the only alternative is to enter by post.
I will have an email for Martin, but it's probably out of date.
That restriction has been changed on the test system so that an ECE can be entered on the day, and should be pushed to production in the next few days. No changes made to the calendar event itself - that is still restricted to before the event date (unless the event closes earlier), but would need to consult more widely on that one.Trying to enter an ECE for an event tonight (10 pm), but the link on the calendar page says it's in the past and it won't let me enter...
We will take a look at that and see what logic is being used on the event details page. Not sure whether the problem is in the data coming from the aukweb database or the way it's being used on audax.uk, or even a combination.
I think I have completed an SR series but it hasn't automatically appeared on my dashboard. I completed the 600 last weekend as a 200ECE on a 400 calendar event. Both are now showing as validated but my randonneur series is still showing "Randonneur 1000". I'm hoping I haven't misunderstood the rules and the at the ECE does indeed qualify me for an SR series. Do I need to put a claim in for the SR and if so who to?
You can get them now(...)
I do not want the GPX file. I want the locations.The PDF says where they are.
The PDF says where they are.
that's over six months away
those who don’t plan to stick to the route?
The default, as far as the organiser is concerned, is that the rider uses their route. The organiser will have put a lot of time into designing it.Everything here is true, BUT:
If the rider has a preferred route between controls (local knowledge, etc) then they are free to use it but it’s their responsibility to ensure they pass through the controls as prescribed.
Planning forward is generally troublesome. I’ve had at least a couple of events this year with sudden changes. One was announced on the start line due to the last minute loss of a commercial control. The organiser came up with a straightforward change and communicated clearly.
The provided PDF and the instructions are gibberish to me.
We are in 2022.
Everything here is true, BUT:
Organisers have to notify AUK of their control locations INCLUDING INFOS many months before the event; I believe it won't be published until this is done (and checked). Of course there may be last-minute changes, but it's not at all difficult to make this information available - in good faith, "subject to change etc" - to riders.
Organisers have to notify AUK of their control locations INCLUDING INFOS many months before the event
The organiser will have put a lot of time into designing it.
it’s their responsibility to ensure they pass through the controls as prescribed.
plenty of time to figure it out.
The default, as far as the organiser is concerned, is that the rider uses their route. The organiser will have put a lot of time into designing it.Everything here is true, BUT:
If the rider has a preferred route between controls (local knowledge, etc) then they are free to use it but it’s their responsibility to ensure they pass through the controls as prescribed.
Planning forward is generally troublesome. I’ve had at least a couple of events this year with sudden changes. One was announced on the start line due to the last minute loss of a commercial control. The organiser came up with a straightforward change and communicated clearly.
Organisers have to notify AUK of their control locations INCLUDING INFOS many months before the event; I believe it won't be published until this is done (and checked). Of course there may be last-minute changes, but it's not at all difficult to make this information available - in good faith, "subject to change etc" - to riders.
Pedants and newbies should aspire to learn more.
The more I read about this, the more I think the organiser should dig their heels in.
plenty of time to figure it out.
Paying Audax Uk 18 quid a year, then paying additional 10-20 quid for the event, I won't "figure it out", and don't want messing with that. It should be posted according to Audax rules,and not hidden somewhere between the 23324.th turn in a 8 page long PDF.
Have you considered organising some events yourself?
Just to be clear: there isn't a requirement to tell RIDERS. Only to tell AUK (who approve the event).Organisers have to notify AUK of their control locations INCLUDING INFOS many months before the event
Thank you. Looks like you and I are the only two people here who did bother to read the rules.
Everything here is true, BUT:
Organisers have to notify AUK of their control locations INCLUDING INFOS many months before the event; I believe it won't be published until this is done (and checked). Of course there may be last-minute changes, but it's not at all difficult to make this information available - in good faith, "subject to change etc" - to riders.
I would wait till much nearer the event, and the organiser sends out their entrant information.
infos in the route sheet. But it’s easy to go from that to identifying on a map and getting the coordinates. Just take the route sheet distance against the info and match that to an map with the gpx loaded.
there isn't a requirement to tell RIDERS.Then how they expect the riders to find it? Using the provided GPX file is not mandatory, but you have no other viable option. The route sheet is hard to follow or oldschool , and hope that you won't miss one after the 32438 th. turn.
I'm not going on the little lanes, gravel roads, cycle paths, and so on.
I definitely don't want to scroll trough 8 pages of directions to find the info controls. Also the 'find' function is disabled, so if you miss one your weekend is ruined, all of because some organizers don't know what
You just do find for info, less than 2 mins job.
You just do find for info, less than 2 mins job.
I couldn't do it for 20 min. Even if I could, it's too much chance for an error. A GPS coordinate is accurate and you can not fail on that(if you given the right one by the organizer)
You might be in for a shock when you do get the location of the infos.
Believe you me, riders do fail with the correct gps coordinates for infos.
I know this is covered elsewhere - but I'll be buggered if I can find it with forum search: I'm planning my first DIY's but my circumstances mean they will tend to be short notice. What is considered good form in terms of giving notice to the DIY organisers? Is 2 days too little? I'm using Paul Stewart (inside M25).
You might be in for a shock when you do get the location of the infos.
This audaxes are not gravel events. If it has any gravel in it, then it becomes a gravel event for me. I won't ruin my tyres going on little lanes, gravel bike paths and so on, then fixing a puncture after 300km, then riding another 100km on 4 bar pressure, because all that I can do on my little hand pump.
Having GPS coordinates would eliminate all the possibility of missing an info control. If the control is only accessible via gravel roads, I would simply have the choice not to take part that event, and not facing this on the event, ruining my whole weekend.
The Wessex rides have always used small lanes
The Wessex rides have always used small lanes
This is the 4.th time I'm writing this: 'that wessex ride' was just an example to see if the organizer respond to my questions or not. He did not.
Fortunately, the majority of riders are not so needy.Asking GPS coordinates in 2022 is needy? In 2001 it would be, but these days?
The organiser will have put a lot of time into designing it.
I don't care. If it's a too much hurtle to them, then do not organize an event. It's simple as that.it’s their responsibility to ensure they pass through the controls as prescribed.
They are not prescribing the locations properly. Having it hidden somewhere in the 321432.th turn instruction on a 8 page long PDF. That is not appropriate . A GPS coordinate looks like this: 51.3423 -1.59701
You don't have scroll through 8 pages, and there is no chance of missing one. Also in the PDF the search function is disabled, so if you miss one, you are not getting the event validated. I'm not a secretary to scroll through 8 pages, and pay 18 quid to Audax uk,and another 10-20 quid to the organizer.
We are in 2022, so getting a GPS coordinate out is 2 clicks using Google Maps.
plenty of time to figure it out.
Paying Audax Uk 18 quid a year, then paying additional 10-20 quid for the event, I won't "figure it out", and don't want messing with that. It should be posted according to Audax rules,and not hidden somewhere between the 23324.th turn in a 8 page long PDF.
Which route sheet has that instruction and the info not clearly stated? If you provide a link to the route sheet you are referring to, it’d help a lot.
Do you want me to guide you round the event, and fill your water bottles as well?
1. 51.99585, -1.25530
2. 51.99032,-1.04779
1. 51.99585, -1.25530 - that is probably right. I gave the wrong answer to that info control, because I thought it's the left turn just before that. The question was: 'Where you are turning to from that road?' - Looks like the right answer is 'Charlton' and not Adderbury as I answered that question.
...
R@X(DEDDINGTON)
L@TL(banbury)
NEXT R(earls lane)
L@T [no signpost]
L@T(banbury)
R(CHARLTON) INFO CONTROL.
R@X(banbury)
...
it looks like there's a line missing from the routesheet
That's a good catch. I would have never noticed that, even reading it 1000x times.
haven't had even the mildest stab at following it on the map...
Then we don’t have to read about it.
That is absolutely correct. I don't, and I don't care. I know how to create the proper route for my Garmin, and I know how to use it. That's all I need. Unless I can not pray out the GPS coordinates from the organizer.
I assume (apart from being a little silly) that DIY GPS MTB Audaxing is perfectly fine to do?I got 2 points from my recent attempt at this (Gravel bike not MTB) the first day was home to sonning thames path to reading follow KAW to winchester, 13 hours 200km.
It'd have to be GPS & Mandatory route, but I was thinking it could let me get AUK points for things like https://www.cyclinguk.org/king-alfreds-way (https://www.cyclinguk.org/king-alfreds-way)
Ah, you're wilfully being a cubit. Got it.
Feel free to filter your events to only enter those run by organisers that run them exactly how you want. There are lots of events in the calendar to choose from and their organisers take a variety of approaches.Going to be a pretty short list perforated to give info covirdibstes. Best stick to brevets with no info controls
Dumb question - I don't have many days free to ride my RRtY - in fact I have one in Dec, next Sat. On the possibility that there is snow/ice on the ground, I don't want to be on country lanes. But I can build a 3 x 68km London loop to make a 200km - is this still valid for a DIY 200km? Or is there some "ye shalt not do loops" rule for Audax routes?
Dumb question - I don't have many days free to ride my RRtY - in fact I have one in Dec, next Sat. On the possibility that there is snow/ice on the ground, I don't want to be on country lanes. But I can build a 3 x 68km London loop to make a 200km - is this still valid for a DIY 200km? Or is there some "ye shalt not do loops" rule for Audax routes?
Plan it to exit London mid day and hit the priority gritted roads and be back in London before Sunset?
I have my first fixed bike arriving in a couple of weeks, so I have a fixed audax question.That's probably the case yes, in a similar way, I recorded 68 points last year - 18 on fixed and 50 on gears
I'm looking at fixed wheel challenge, but I will be doing most of my audax's on the geared bikes. I can see some people are listed with 2 points on the fixed challenge, but they have more than 15 points in total.
I'm presuming 2 points are fixed, and 13 are geared?
Also - could those 2 fixed points be 2x100km? I see fixed points are assigned from 100km (for 1 point).Yes, that's possible. Could also have been 1x100km with 2 AAA points as these get added to your FWC points total.
I'm planning to use fixed as an excuse to do some of the excellent 100km rides to squeeze in more riding without necessitating complicated family calendar wrangling at 200km(+). I'm also doing 24+ points on geared (for 2nd RRtY). So it would be a happy bonus to collect a fixed challenge mention together with some lovely new rides.Sounds okay, the only thing to add is that to get your points recorded as part of the fixed wheel challenge you do need to purchase the FWC brevet card and, where possible, get it stamped at the end of the event.
Have I understood this correctly?
The AUK forum page seems to have disappeared, or at least the page when loaded by me is just a blank. Does anyone know if this is permanent or just a part of a website upgrade?Seems okay today.
Doesn't work for me, it doesn't display as blank but as an 'error 500' although I can access it from the old websiteThe AUK forum page seems to have disappeared, or at least the page when loaded by me is just a blank. Does anyone know if this is permanent or just a part of a website upgrade?Seems okay today.
My understanding from El Supremo was that the fucking thing passed, because the chairman chucked away their discretionary delegated votes.
Points for sub-200s.
My understanding from El Supremo was that the fucking thing passed, because the chairman chucked away their discretionary delegated votes.
not working for me, I always follow the link from the website under the my account drop down list.The AUK forum page seems to have disappeared, or at least the page when loaded by me is just a blank. Does anyone know if this is permanent or just a part of a website upgrade?Seems okay today.
It feels wrong to me for the chairman to overturn votes cast, even though the constitution allows it.No, giving the Chair your vote to use at their discretion is casting it. If the Chair simply followed the majority of defined votes, what would be the point? It would be the same as not voting at all.
So some folk didn’t vote and some wasted their votes by delegating it. Good for you. 50km is now a long distance ride.Sorry, I didn't realise you had more entitlement to vote than I.
OK, so I can access it from the old website, but the link from the new website ( http://forum.audax.uk/api/SideDoor.php?token=0361c85d-f47f-4319-9a56-7f7a4e85a01f ) seems not to be working, at least on my machine I just get a blank white page.
I'll try and post a query via the old website so that the IT team are aware. I was trying to see what the outcome of the resolution 2 vote was, which I can now see was passed.
Thanks all. Neil
erm just visit https://forum.audax.uk for the forum, get rid of your dubious link.
not working for me, I always follow the link from the website under the my account drop down list.The AUK forum page seems to have disappeared, or at least the page when loaded by me is just a blank. Does anyone know if this is permanent or just a part of a website upgrade?Seems okay today.
Of course if I google AUK forum, no issues. amazing it is easier to find from a generic search engine than our own website.
Not more entitlement, just more interest in how my vote is directed, obviously.What's the difference? I considered how I wanted my vote cast and concluded I'd like it used at the discretion of the Chair. It was my choice to make, I was as entitled to make that choice as you were yours. You can't dismiss the way I choose to use my vote without the notion that yours mattered more, that is entitlement. You don't have to agree with the outcome to respect the process and having members vote is the best of those.
My understanding from El Supremo was that the fucking thing passed, because the chairman chucked away their discretionary delegated votes.
PH, those votes that are directed towards an outcome are worth more than those votes that are chucked away. Your vote was chucked away, by the chairman’s choice.No, your vote isn't worth more than mine.
My vote was counted (and lost). Yours was cancelled (and meaningless).No, my vote was counted in exactly the same way as yours. Doesn't matter how many times you rephrase it, the way I chose to exercise my vote was a valid as yours.
You might also consider only registering the first 200 km, then you’re free to change your route / take your time / decide you can’t be arsed / get hit by a car for the last 50 km.This is what I do, though sometimes it's also the first few miles so I've both warmed up and done the slower urban riding before the clock starts.
I'm planning to ride the Wiltshire cycleway which is about 250km. I don't want to increase it to 300km, but I would like to bag 2 points at the same time. I'm presuming with BR DIY rules, I'm fine to do this AND I get the extra time to finish the extra 50km. Or is there a limit on over distance?
Don't particularly have an issue with that, if the points started coming at 200km. I rode 48km this morning going for a haircut. Should have went round the block a couple of times for feelings of audaciousness.I'm planning to ride the Wiltshire cycleway which is about 250km. I don't want to increase it to 300km, but I would like to bag 2 points at the same time. I'm presuming with BR DIY rules, I'm fine to do this AND I get the extra time to finish the extra 50km. Or is there a limit on over distance?
Next year ... you'll be able to ride it as a 250 and get 2.5 points. [now I'm looking for a suitable emoji for hiding behind the sofa ]
I wondered the same, while riding The Buzzard as a perm last year. Had a bit of a time-trialling effort to reach the Wells control in time, after sleeping at Taunton. I should have asked the organiser afterwards, as it might have made the rest of the ride easier.the e-brevet app flags up controls reached outside the time window, and then the organiser will likely validate anyway. because the general approach in AUK is validate if you can, and not disqualify if you can.
It was validated by GPS - would the algorithm have bothered about control timings?
If I start entering BRM under my married name, how will the ACP know I'm the same person (for the purposes of e.g. Randonneur 5000)? Do I need to tell them beforehand, or just when applying for a medal?when you apply for the award you will fill in the BRM numbers, might be worth including proof of name change.
HK did MGM
HK did MGM
Of course she did! :D
Cheers, I'll have a read. Looks like it last ran in 2022 so I expect the next won't be for a while now.
Was thinking that if I'm over for another event next year I might extend my stay and do the route as a DIY, possibly in reverse.
Just been looking at the results on AUK website, Randonneur 5000 can now be achieved by riding Brevet Populaire's, since when was a 50, 100, 150k ride a 'Randonee' surely R5000, R10000 & R100,000 have to be achieved at Randonneur Standard? which is what is stated in the rules. I thought the introduction of Points for BP's was for some new award or have I misunderstood the whole points inclusion thing completely?