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Title: Random road stuff
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 March, 2021, 12:26:17 pm
I have just observed a Civil Enforcement Officer (posh term for parking attendant) cycling along our road whilst wearing his fluorescent jacket.

Nothing wrong, or remarkable, with that, you might say, and of course you'd be right. But this one was cycling against the flow of traffic on the one-way street, and also on the pavement.

I thought it was rather amusing.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 03 March, 2021, 03:55:21 pm
Don't think I've ever seen one cycling here, so one point to Southend.

I saw a car that had been clamped for tax evasion at the posh end of our street. I've never seen those clampers in action, perhaps they come round at dead of night?
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Steph on 09 April, 2021, 09:30:00 pm
Daily Heil tells lies... not news, but...

https://twitter.com/laura_laker/status/1380430322039410691
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 April, 2021, 10:15:17 pm
"It's confusing driving abroad pt97": Apparently in this situation
(https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/LsLk9kqTURBXy8xMjgyMmJjYjRhYzc4ZWU3YTJlNDQ1YWRmMWM4YTU2Yy5qcGVnkpUDAADNAxTNAbuTBc0DFM0BvIGhMAU)
(according to Polish rules) the driver of that van should be indicating left. Seems "you don't indicate to show you're going straight on" and "straight on" is defined by the carriageway, not by signs and markings. And more bizarrely, even in this situation:
(https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/kIjk9kpTURBXy81MTQ4ZTQ2Yjg3Y2UxYjgwZDQxZmEzN2M5MWVkMjhlZi5qcGeSlQLNAxQAwsOVAgDNAvjCw4GhMAU)
you should indicate .

That they've seen fit to put this on a news site (without saying it's new) suggests most people who passed a Polish driving test don't know it either.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: rogerzilla on 11 April, 2021, 05:43:40 pm
Got beeped by a twat in an old Beemer estate just for being on the road (the bus lane, actually, so not even in his way).  This town gets a bit pikier and nastier every year.  I'm out of here in 3 years.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: De Sisti on 11 April, 2021, 07:15:48 pm
Daily Heil tells lies... not news, but...

https://twitter.com/laura_laker/status/1380430322039410691 (https://twitter.com/laura_laker/status/1380430322039410691)
Clickbait. Instead of clicking on the link, could you tell me a little bit about the story?
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 12 April, 2021, 09:52:25 pm
Fed up with the council taking no action over inconsiderate parking blocking pavements and preventing emergency vehicles getting through? Paint your own double yellow lines.
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Frustrated residents in north Bristol have taken to street corners to provide double yellow lines where none exist.


Campaigners also placed yellow lines over vehicles parked illegally, claiming that traffic and parking is largely unregulated and rarely enforced.
https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/rogue-yellow-lines-painted-by-residents-fed-up-inconsiderate-parking/
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: ian on 13 April, 2021, 09:35:15 am
Probably quicker than the three years it took to get the council to paint ones on the corner near our house (request year 1, everyone agrees; year two wait for the annual meeting where they discuss such matters; year three, obligatory and pointless consultation).
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Steph on 14 April, 2021, 12:05:47 am
Bus driver...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/edinburgh-bus-driver-sacked-after-leith-walk-collision-with-cyclist-loses-unfair-dismissal-claim/ar-BB1fBIto?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Steph on 14 April, 2021, 12:08:39 am
Daily Heil tells lies... not news, but...

https://twitter.com/laura_laker/status/1380430322039410691 (https://twitter.com/laura_laker/status/1380430322039410691)
Clickbait. Instead of clicking on the link, could you tell me a little bit about the story?
Not clickbait. On essence, Heil spoke bollocks about 'hate crime' covering cyclists, and lost
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: fd3 on 16 April, 2021, 11:44:57 am
We've had a local car clamped for lack of tax - but across the road there were 3-4 cars parked actually on the corner and nothing done about it.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 16 April, 2021, 11:58:33 am
Tax clamping is done by DVLA, stupid parking is the remit of your LA or the police or someone.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 April, 2021, 06:13:41 pm
I wish someone would dissuade my neighbour from parking his large and opaque Sprinter van in the spot closest to the junction of Larrington Gardens Road and the main drag :(
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: rogerzilla on 20 April, 2021, 09:38:40 pm
Riding mate is a bit freaked out.  He was riding with another friend on Sunday when they were passed by a large bunch from one of the local road clubs, and exchanged greetings with them.  A few seconds later, when the group had pulled ahead, there was a crash for reasons unknown (touch of wheels? pothole?) and one female rider went over the bars very fast.  She was being attended to by her clubmates, so my mate didn't stop long,  but he said her head was at the wrong angle and it looked like a broken neck  :-\
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: PeteB99 on 27 April, 2021, 12:53:36 pm
This is a private road sunshine, it belongs to Horsham district council.

https://twitter.com/Jamesdestafford/status/1367894795616743430 (https://twitter.com/Jamesdestafford/status/1367894795616743430)

Heavily edited but if they were my kids I'd be proud of them for standing up to a grumpy old git.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: DaveReading on 27 April, 2021, 05:32:16 pm
Why are we being invited to watch a 7-year-old video?

The skateboarders will probably have grown up into grumpy old gits themselves by now.   ;)
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Pingu on 02 May, 2021, 04:05:07 pm
This a rickshaw crash even though a car driver was involved: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-56963067
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 02 May, 2021, 04:41:23 pm
Well pointed out. And same applies when someone is "run over", it's never reported as a car crash although it is.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 04 April, 2022, 02:26:43 pm
Just everyday traffic in Bristol's tramways centre last Saturday:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=335433978649667

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: JellyLegs on 16 June, 2022, 08:42:19 am
Wondering what those “cyclists should be licensed and show registration numbers” types would have made of Chipping Ongar last night.  Currently the high street is subject to a temporary set of 5 way traffic lights.  Light goes red just in front of me, I stop, unclip and settle in knowing the wait is approximately 180 seconds.  That’s Too long for two of the vehicles behind who pull out of the queue and go through the red after a minute or so.  The second is a transit tipper towing a chipper who then meets a car coming through the opposite way on green.  And they say it’s cyclists and licensing and registration would stop it all!
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: delthebike on 16 June, 2022, 08:49:45 am
This morning I went out for an early morning ride. I do this because I no longer feel safe on the road and there is little other traffic around. However, today I caught the start of the morning rush hour and far from feeling unsafe I felt quite safe as everything that overtook me did so in accordance with the new Highway Code rules. Lots of them even waited patiently behind me waiting until they could safely overtake.
Of course it may be different in an afternoon rush hour or later in the morning when school run is on too, but for now if felt good.

I haven't felt this good about riding a bike in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Peat on 16 June, 2022, 09:22:16 am
Totally anecdotal, but i find afternoon/evening rush hour to be far more bad tempered.

I can never understand when I see people out for a road ride (i.e doesn't look like they are commuting. No luggage etc.) at that time of day. It would make me miserable.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Kim on 16 June, 2022, 12:31:47 pm
I can never understand when I see people out for a road ride (i.e doesn't look like they are commuting. No luggage etc.) at that time of day. It would make me miserable.

Rush hour as a small part of a many-hour ride?  That's usually why I'm out in it.  Though I usually try to be somewhere quiet when it happens.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: fd3 on 18 June, 2022, 08:03:40 pm
I can never understand when I see people out for a road ride (i.e doesn't look like they are commuting. No luggage etc.) at that time of day.
If you saw our principal commuting from work he would look like a roadie out for a ride.  No luggage and the lycra works.  I reckon he's not the only commuter who does so in (as Flatus would say) cosplay.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: handcyclist on 18 June, 2022, 09:15:11 pm
Yep. Clothes, shower and laptop at work = lycra for the commute.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 November, 2022, 12:46:49 pm
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From a FB group called "Shit London". I had a look on Google Maps for that sign - somewhere near Archway it would appear - but I couldn't find it. Not far from Helly's neck of the woods, I believe.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Kim on 18 November, 2022, 12:59:05 pm
Ah, the Archway Road subway, I used to get dragged along there as a small...

Here: https://goo.gl/maps/2sGUcsfaRiKLP8Qu7

The sign was removed at some point before 2017.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 November, 2022, 01:04:56 pm
I like the pub name. Perhaps that's why she isn't seen hereabouts so much these days.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 November, 2022, 05:16:57 pm
I like the pub name. Perhaps that's why she isn't seen hereabouts so much these days.
It's not the Despard, I can take the Despard...
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Kim on 24 November, 2022, 12:42:57 pm
Yesterday, I was stopped at the traffic lights near $college.  A Mk 1 Young Person crossed the road in front of me, paused halfway, picked up an empty plastic bottle that was rolling around in the breeze, and continued to exit stage right.

I don't think I've ever seen a young person spontaneously pick up litter that wasn't their own like that.  Older people do it from time to time, usually near their houses (this is probably a demographic thing, as older people tend to have more stable housing).  Younger people's wombling tends to be an organised affair with binbags and litter pickers.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 24 November, 2022, 04:22:42 pm
Ah, the Archway Road subway, I used to get dragged along there as a small...

Here: https://goo.gl/maps/2sGUcsfaRiKLP8Qu7

The sign was removed at some point before 2017.
Blimey that takes me back.
The placement in the Cytology lab of the Whittington Hospital was so boring there was a scoreboard on the wall next to the window of the longest time it had taken a hitchhiker to get a lift at the start of the A1. Kept up to date by generations of bored juniors.

It looks like they've planted trees to put a stop to timing hitchhikers, put in a bus stop to put a stop to hitchhiking, and added a few decades to the scenery.
(It was 1972)
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 24 November, 2022, 04:28:29 pm
Ah, the Archway Road subway, I used to get dragged along there as a small...

Here: https://goo.gl/maps/2sGUcsfaRiKLP8Qu7

The sign was removed at some point before 2017.
Blimey that takes me back.
The placement in the Cytology lab of the Whittington Hospital was so boring there was a scoreboard on the wall next to the window of the longest time it had taken a hitchhiker to get a lift at the start of the A1. Kept up to date by generations of bored juniors.

It looks like they've planted trees to put a stop to timing hitchhikers, put in a bus stop to put a stop to hitchhiking, and added a few decades to the scenery.
(It was 1972)
They've also added a cyclist to compensate for the lack of hitchikers.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Jurek on 24 November, 2022, 05:59:41 pm
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From a FB group called "Shit London". I had a look on Google Maps for that sign - somewhere near Archway it would appear - but I couldn't find it. Not far from Helly's neck of the woods, I believe.
Reminds me of this:
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On Bush Road just to the south of Surrey Quays station
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: fd3 on 25 November, 2022, 11:40:37 am
Yesterday, I was stopped at the traffic lights near $college.  A Mk 1 Young Person crossed the road in front of me, paused halfway, picked up an empty plastic bottle that was rolling around in the breeze, and continued to exit stage right.
Would this $college be the one in Longbridge?
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Kim on 25 November, 2022, 12:31:03 pm
Yesterday, I was stopped at the traffic lights near $college.  A Mk 1 Young Person crossed the road in front of me, paused halfway, picked up an empty plastic bottle that was rolling around in the breeze, and continued to exit stage right.
Would this $college be the one in Longbridge?

Indeed.  They must be doing something right...
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: fd3 on 25 November, 2022, 03:03:06 pm
We are a very big college, law of probability suggests that with 3000 students you'll get a good one eventually
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 02 December, 2022, 01:12:50 pm
Parking is always good for local trading, obviously. Except when it means fewer customers...
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A Bristol restaurant owner has expressed anger that what used to host four tables and 16 seats has now been replaced by a parking bay.
16 potential customers replaced by at most five, usually far less – to say nothing of the other effects on the street.
https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/decision-to-replace-restaurant-tables-with-parking-bays-is-soul-destroying/
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: mzjo on 20 December, 2022, 09:00:15 am
 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-63997868

 I found this very up-lifting in an automated world. Of course there are those who would complain that these drones take jobs away from e-bike delivery riders but I still find it a more useful use of the technology than self-driving cars and lorries (until they become armed like Daleks and start taking out passing pedestrians and cyclists!)
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 20 December, 2022, 09:46:08 am
And more on those robots/drones:
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"One of the robots asked a lady if she would please press the button - I think she was rather surprised a robot was speaking to her," Ms Davies explained.

She said after three changes of the lights, the first robot crossed the road but she does not know how long the other six took, as "it was cold and I wanted to get home".

Comments on her Facebook post included, "they look so sad waiting on the kerb" and "they don't really have the ability to press the big buttons".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-63821535

Is it possible that the Obvious Business Need coupled with Consumer Desire to get parcels will finally give us traffic lights that respond to pedestrians (and robot parcel carriers, scooters, pavement cyclists, dogs...) without the (ablist? scope for an EA challenge?) need to press a button?
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 20 December, 2022, 02:32:30 pm
They've had this sort of urban wildlife in Northampton for a while. Seem to cope well with the landscape
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 05 January, 2023, 08:29:53 pm
The difference between me commuting and me riding is the Carradice Nelson Longflap bag which contains laptop & anciliiaries plus change of clothes.  Everything else remains the same.  My commute (for the 15 - 20 times I do it each year) is somewhat longer than most peoples though.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 05 February, 2023, 06:30:10 pm


A ​93km air conditioned covered cycleway has been proposed for Dubai, with the planning firm behind the idea claiming it could make cycling and walking the main mode of transport for 80 per cent of the city’s 3 million residents by 2040.

 (https://road.cc/content/news/93km-air-conditioned-covered-cycleway-proposed-dubai-299063?amp)

Ditch the car!
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Pickled Onion on 05 February, 2023, 07:37:32 pm


A ​93km air conditioned covered cycleway has been proposed for Dubai, with the planning firm behind the idea claiming it could make cycling and walking the main mode of transport for 80 per cent of the city’s 3 million residents by 2040.

 (https://road.cc/content/news/93km-air-conditioned-covered-cycleway-proposed-dubai-299063?amp)

Ditch the car!

I can't help feeling they've missed the obvious there. Given a clean slate to design from, why not split the cycle path and arrange the aircon so that you always have a gentle tailwind?
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: hellymedic on 24 February, 2023, 03:21:47 pm
Joan Collins 'almost knocked over'
'London is 'ruined by cyclists'.'

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/dame-joan-collins-laments-london's-'ruin'-after-being-struck-by-cyclist-7KlAYzpLvjCspxek32hlyB (https://www.thejc.com/news/news/dame-joan-collins-laments-london's-'ruin'-after-being-struck-by-cyclist-7KlAYzpLvjCspxek32hlyB)
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: ian on 24 February, 2023, 09:25:45 pm
Quote
Between 2013 and 2020 an average of 3.8 pedestrians died in collisions with a cyclist every year
always does some heavy lifting in these stories (it's true, but that's any collision, even those where the pedestrian steps out in front of a cyclist).

Presumably she got to London in a large car, which definitely won't ruin anything, other than the world.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: JellyLegs on 25 February, 2023, 09:53:41 am
If it’s derived from one set of figures doing the rounds then multi-modal collisions are logged against each type of vehicle involved which makes the most definitely “use with great care”, not something journalists are great at doing.  A collision involving, as an example, a car colliding with both a cyclist and a pedestrian at a toucan crossing, killing the pedestrian would appear as a pedestrian fatality in an accident involving a cyclist as well as a pedestrian fatality involving a motor vehicle.

That of course doesn’t detract from the culpability of those extremely dangerous and antisocial “cyclists” who ride on pavements at totally inappropriate speeds or ride on the road at night without lights and reflectors.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 March, 2023, 06:12:23 pm
https://twitter.com/countcaspargh/status/1630504262135414786/photo/1

That's right, folks: two-thirds of car drivers feel threatened by cyclists.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: rogerzilla on 02 March, 2023, 01:29:52 pm
Quote
Between 2013 and 2020 an average of 3.8 pedestrians died in collisions with a cyclist every year
always does some heavy lifting in these stories (it's true, but that's any collision, even those where the pedestrian steps out in front of a cyclist).

Presumably she got to London in a large car, which definitely won't ruin anything, other than the world.
Speaking of aggressive pedestrians:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64824436

The convict looks nice.

To show how stupid pavement psyclepaths are (often no different to pavements apart from a few signs), it took the court rather too long to determine that this was, in fact, a shared-use path.

Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: gibbo on 02 March, 2023, 03:54:22 pm
From the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64824436 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64824436)... very sad for all involved.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Polar Bear on 02 March, 2023, 04:00:55 pm
A tragedy all round but especially for the cyclist and loved ones.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 02 March, 2023, 04:04:57 pm
“A pedestrian who shouted and waved her arm aggressively at a cyclist on the pavement, causing her to fall into the path of an oncoming car, has been jailed for three years for manslaughter.“


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/02/pedestrian-jailed-manslaughter-cyclist-fall-car-huntingdon?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I do think that those who set out to demonise cyclists bear responsibility for legitimising attacks and putting us in physical danger.

Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: diapsaon0 on 02 March, 2023, 04:05:57 pm
One can't be sure, but it looks as though the pedestrian 'lashed out' or even shoved the cyclist who swerved to avoid her 'attack' without looking into the road behind her.  Tragic.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: diapsaon0 on 02 March, 2023, 04:12:30 pm
It does look from the footage that the pedestrian lashed out at or even shoved the cyclist - who was an elderly lady. 
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: rr on 02 March, 2023, 05:44:50 pm
Quote
Between 2013 and 2020 an average of 3.8 pedestrians died in collisions with a cyclist every year
always does some heavy lifting in these stories (it's true, but that's any collision, even those where the pedestrian steps out in front of a cyclist).

Presumably she got to London in a large car, which definitely won't ruin anything, other than the world.
Speaking of aggressive pedestrians:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64824436

The convict looks nice.

To show how stupid pavement psyclepaths are (often no different to pavements apart from a few signs), it took the court rather too long to determine that this was, in fact, a shared-use path.
I've just streetviewed it, I can't see any sign that it is a shared path, no signs, no dropped kerbs, no tactile paving, narrow and covered in signs. Barely adequate as a footpath, no room for a cyclist and pedestrian to pass.
Busy, two lane, one way road, can see why people wouldn't want to ride on it

https://maps.app.goo.gl/LvGQN6uGysGCoAET9
Here I think

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Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Kim on 02 March, 2023, 05:51:31 pm
Among the many problems with shared use paths is that only cyclists pay attention to the signs and paint.  The usual problem is pedestrians not knowing which side of a line of magic paint is the supposed cycleway, a problem exacerbated by the frequency of signs being far too low for there to be one within sight when a cyclist appears.

Obviously the effort of resolving this would be better spent on making some cycling infrastructure.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Kim on 02 March, 2023, 07:31:43 pm
I can't help wondering how it would have gone had the victim been an 18 year old boy.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: rafletcher on 02 March, 2023, 07:42:57 pm
I can't help wondering how it would have gone had the victim been an 18 year old boy.

This is what I thought too.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: DaveReading on 02 March, 2023, 10:43:40 pm
I've just streetviewed it, I can't see any sign that it is a shared path, no signs, no dropped kerbs, no tactile paving, narrow and covered in signs. Barely adequate as a footpath, no room for a cyclist and pedestrian to pass.

There is in fact a shared path sign about 400 yards prior to the spot where the event happened, but no further signs that I can see to indicate either the continuation or the end of such.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 02 March, 2023, 11:08:04 pm
Apparently even the police were not sure after their research.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: DaveReading on 03 March, 2023, 08:02:59 am
The police are the last people I would expect to be able to give a definitive answer.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: rogerzilla on 03 March, 2023, 09:18:25 am
I found the shared use sign, but it took some searching.  It's just a normal pavement with a sign, not a widened psyclepath.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 03 March, 2023, 08:45:57 pm
Recently I was passed by a pavement cyclist on a very similar pavement that was NOT shared use.  It never occurred to me to push him off into the path of oncoming traffic.  I can't imagine why not. 
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Jurek on 03 March, 2023, 08:48:08 pm
I found the shared use sign, but it took some searching.  It's just a normal pavement with a sign, not a widened psyclepath.
Shared use sign is deffo there. Albeit hard to find.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 03 March, 2023, 10:40:32 pm
Bikes are now the most common vehicles on the roads of the City of London.

But still vastly outnumbered by pedestrians.

https://road.cc/content/news/bikes-most-popular-transport-mode-city-roads-299693
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: SoreTween on 04 March, 2023, 01:36:41 pm
I don't know whether to suspect poor research from auntie beeb's reporter or that sustrans got involved with the planning and excelled themselves:
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-64825741
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Gloucestershire County Council has started to build a 26-mile (41.8km) cycle route that will connect Gloucester to Cheltenham.

Cheltenham & Gloucester are ~10 miles apart
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Adam on 04 March, 2023, 09:13:39 pm
Bad BBC reporting.  The planned full 26 mile route is from Stroud to Bishops Cleeve, with the Cheltenham to Gloucester bit in the middle being one of the sections they've got funding for.

https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/news/20142800.multi-million-pound-boost-26-mile-cycle-route-stroud/
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Steph on 07 March, 2023, 02:19:42 pm
I can't help wondering how it would have gone had the victim been an 18 year old boy.

This is what I thought too.

Or the perpetrator been in a car
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Kim on 07 March, 2023, 02:23:25 pm
I can't help wondering how it would have gone had the victim been an 18 year old boy.

This is what I thought too.

Or the perpetrator been in a car

I don't think we have to wonder about that.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 07 March, 2023, 02:29:36 pm
Bad BBC reporting.  The planned full 26 mile route is from Stroud to Bishops Cleeve, with the Cheltenham to Gloucester bit in the middle being one of the sections they've got funding for.

https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/news/20142800.multi-million-pound-boost-26-mile-cycle-route-stroud/
A map would have been a good inclusion in the article.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 07 March, 2023, 02:45:46 pm
For those interested in the logic of the sentence for the person who pushed the cyclist into traffic handed down - here's a link to the judge's ruling.

https://rozenberg.substack.com/p/why-grey-got-three-years
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Kim on 07 March, 2023, 02:48:53 pm
Bad BBC reporting.  The planned full 26 mile route is from Stroud to Bishops Cleeve, with the Cheltenham to Gloucester bit in the middle being one of the sections they've got funding for.

https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/news/20142800.multi-million-pound-boost-26-mile-cycle-route-stroud/
A map would have been a good inclusion in the article.

First rule of articles about cycle routes is never include a map (links to online shops where people can buy paper maps, having magically decided they're interested in the route without knowing where it goes are permitted).  It's a tradition, or an old charter or something.

Sustrans used to be really good at this, but they've got some new webby SCIENCE that presents helpful overview images, and only redeems itself at the last minute by linking to some OS maps thing that doesn't work in my browser.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: tom_e on 07 March, 2023, 03:15:28 pm
For those interested in the logic of the sentence for the person who pushed the cyclist into traffic handed down - here's a link to the judge's ruling.

https://rozenberg.substack.com/p/why-grey-got-three-years

Interesting.  I had wondered why it was quite so decisive in this case. 

It looks like she didn't appear remorseful and didn't testify in court, which makes it harder to pull off any sense of "I was terrified by the cyclist and didn't mean to hurt them".

Arguably a protracted failure of the attitude test, with the same tricky question of whether this is partially disability-related, or just aggressive unpleasantness.

Hopefully the publicity over the case sends the message that "we all need to look out for each other", rather than "you have to get out of the way of cyclists on the pavement".  :-\
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Kim on 07 March, 2023, 04:00:13 pm
Interesting that the footway being designated shared-use (which appears to have been marked so poorly as to count as a technicality) seems to be secondary to the expectation of encountering cyclists on it.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 11 March, 2023, 02:57:20 pm


Killer lorry driver faces trial after prosecution rejects guilty plea

 (https://road.cc/content/news/killer-hgv-driver-faces-trial-after-prosecution-rejects-plea-299851?amp)

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Dr Krawiec, a children’s doctor, was riding to the clinic where she worked in Lavender Hill, Clapham Junction, when she was run over and killed by 68-year-old Kevin Allen at the junction of Southampton Row and Theobalds Road.

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Allen, from Forest Town, Nottinghamshire, has been handed an interim disqualification order by Judge Sarah Munro KC. The driving ban will be reviewed following the conclusion of the trial, which is due to open on 2 January 2024 and last five days.

Following the death of Dr Krawiec, both Stop Killing Cyclists and the London Cycling Campaign held protests at Holborn Gyratory, where despite several cyclists being killed in crashes involving large vehicles in the past decade or so, there is no physical protection from motor traffic for people on bikes.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 23 March, 2023, 03:37:58 pm
I've just witnessed a classic Motorican stand-off. Just after 3pm, school run time, and it's raining fairly heavily. There's a primary school on a T junction of narrow residential streets, effectively one car wide owing to parking. The horizontal bar of the T is used as a cut-through on the way in and out of town (there's actually a plan to make it one-way to partially combat that, but nothing's happened on that yet). So one motorist is coming along the horizontal and wants to turn to his right into the vertical (which also happens to be a steep uphill, though not of course actually vertical). But he can't because there's a car stationary in the middle of the junction. The driver of that car can't reverse because he has a tail of half a dozen cars behind him in the effectively singletrack section, almost all the way back to the mini-roundabout (and the ones at the back probably couldn't even see what was happening). The driver who wants to turn has no one behind him. But he probably wants the other driver to go up the hill, which that driver won't do because he thinks the other one should back up. Well I'm sure they both know their rights and will stick to them.

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Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Jurek on 04 June, 2023, 03:23:04 pm
I wasn't sure where to put this, so it is going in here:

Last Christmas I was coming home, when I noticed a Vauxhall something-or-other about six doors away from mine had every one of its windows smashed in.

It reminded me of when I lived in Balham in the 80s and someone had taken a pick to a Ford Capri around the corner from me, and put holes in the bonnet, roof, boot lid, both doors and both wings. They finished the job by daubing 'Stay away from my wife' using white paint on the bonnet.
Oi!Oi! I thought - Someone has been caught playing away from home.....

Back to my Vauxhall......
I noticed in The New Year that all of the busted glass had been replaced.
Fast forward to last Thursday  and I'm walking to Sainos, when I see this:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52949206237_eae4ddd0fb_k.jpg) (http://[url=https://flic.kr/p/2oEWwhV) (https://flic.kr/p/2oEWwhV)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurekb/)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52950254373_2312be4bcc_k.jpg) (http://[url=https://flic.kr/p/2oF2TSe) (https://flic.kr/p/2oF2TSe)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurekb/)

Same Vauxhall. In case you cannot make it out, the graffiti on the bonnet in the first image says 'Pay me' - so I was off-target with my assumption of someone playing away from home.

One of my neighbours a couple of doors up from this car earns his crust by fixing people's cars on the street outside his house. He's out there all day, every day.
I got chatting with him and according to him this isn't the second time this has happened but the third.
And the perpetrator is a woman. :o

And the moral of this story is.....
Pay your dues and, no matter where you get your appetite, always dine at home.



Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 05 June, 2023, 09:58:53 am
Reminds me of years ago standing at the window of a friend’s house I saw this guy wielding a cricket bat. He then proceeded to smash the windows of a car parked across the street. Then he left. I never found out any more, but was relieved I had arrived by bicycle.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: grams on 05 June, 2023, 12:22:06 pm
I found a similarly decorated car on February 15th a few years back.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: ian on 05 June, 2023, 07:18:34 pm
Our once-up-a-time bike thieving, DVLA clamp grinding (other nefarious activities undoubtedly to order) neighbour used to periodically have all his dodgy van windows smashed up and doors and sides given a good kicking. I assume his illegal activities weren't appreciated by all*.

*given the Met couldn't detect that having a back garden full of bicycles and cut-through clamps that said 'property on the DVLA' on them might indicate some kind of illegal activity, more so as they clearly visible to anyone and everyone who either had a step-ladder or from the trains to and from Beckenham, four times an hour, you can see why people might take things into their own hands. To be fair to Britain's finest enforcers of law and order, they did attempt to raid his house, but knocking at 8.30 am and leaving when no one answered, because criminals are known for their early starts. Eventually, order was restored when our six-foot-six, gold-toothed neighbour had a chat with him, one that involved holding him upside off the large embankment wall. He thereafter decided to seek his fortune elsewhere and the rest of his family joined him shortly afterwards – with some irony, his mother was a prison officer. The police turned up for a proper door-kicking-in about two weeks after they left, something of a surprise to the new tenants who had just moved in.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 October, 2023, 09:09:27 am
VRUs.
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Technology abounds that can help keep vulnerable road users (VRUs) safer. VRUs include pedestrians, wheelchair users, cyclists, motorcyclists and scooter riders. Together they are the majority of people killed by cars globally.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66912123

The article goes on to use the term VRUs throughout, discussing various technologies supposed to reduce the impact of cars on people they hit. What a horrible, ugly term. It would be better and more honest to say "people".
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Flâneur on 10 October, 2023, 04:28:22 pm
What a horrible, ugly term. It would be better and more honest to say "people".

It's a horrible, ugly, credulous article. Bought and paid-for pie-in-the-sky "safety-washing" by the car industry.

I mean FFS, exploding bonnets, "pedestrian airbags", "smoothing out areas of the bonnet where struck pedestrians are likely to hit their heads". Pretty much zero acknowledgement that the main problem is the %age of de-facto homicidal maniacs behind the wheel.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 October, 2023, 05:36:28 pm
Well, drivers are people too. Vanishingly few people are homicidal maniacs. But there are obviously conditions in which most people can be persuaded to kill (war, obvs). And there are lots of other situations in which people don't set out to kill but there is a factor that makes it far more likely (gun possession being an obvious one). Cars are more like the second than the first. They're a technology with lethal consequences so technological answers can be appropriate. But technology is never the entire answer – technology exists in society, which creates the conditions for its use. To that extent, technological answers without addressing societal aspects are inappropriate and will only deepen our reliance on the technology in question. So, yes, it is tech-based (tech-glorifying, even) safety-washing.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 11 October, 2023, 04:36:28 pm
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Ultimately, Ms Hart points out, preventable tragedies from traffic violence don't just affect non-drivers. "Everyone gets out of their car, no matter where they live."

Clearly the solution is never to exit your car.  Wherever you live.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 October, 2023, 06:07:16 pm
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Ultimately, Ms Hart points out, preventable tragedies from traffic violence don't just affect non-drivers. "Everyone gets out of their car, no matter where they live."

Clearly the solution is never to exit your car.  Wherever you live.

My chum Nik lives in his van.  In Florida.  Make of that what you will :D
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Afasoas on 07 November, 2023, 09:00:41 pm
I don't know where to put this, so here goes.

At 6pm I ventured out with the bike lit up experimentally like a proverbial Christmas tree and cycled from suburbia to town and back. I even cycled through one of the more notorious estates which is also used as a rat run.

Seemee 100 and a Smart 0.5W Superflash on the seat post. Cateye Reflex on the rack. Two cheap small rechargeable 12 LED lights, one attached to each rear pannier. AdditionalIy I wore an LED flourescent vest strap thing with four red LEDs on the back and the same in white on the front. This is a lot more blinkies on the back of the bike than in my usual setup, which is usually just two - one steady and one flashing.

I was fully expecting that I'd be a target for some abuse. I also thought I'm just asking for a punishment pass or two. I also thought I'd get closer passes in general with the risk compensation from drivers.
What happened was the total opposite ... and it sounds almost like I'm trolling. ( - I'm not!)

In all, I had just two or three passes that were borderline close. One was a moton in a clearly illegally modified vehicle that raced up to the back of a stationary bus. And that was it. No close passes at all. Lots of very wide passes. Lots of places where I was allowed to take the lane with ease. And oddly, the number of drivers signalling to pull back in ahead of me after they had passed was insane. This is not something I tend to see very often but on this trip, it happened a lot.

I was fully convinced I was going to regret the blinky fest and wind up putting all additional lights in the useless tat drawer.
I was actually a bit speechless when I arrived home at the end of the ride.
I am going to repeat the experiment.
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: arabella on 09 November, 2023, 10:19:40 am
:
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I am going to repeat the experiment.

question: what do you usually dress as/light up as?

I ask because I usually look, afaik, like a middle aged mum; I don't dress or light up particularly brightly (civvies up to, say, 100km) and have zero binky lights; generally my experience is similar to the one you describe*.  My commute is the same road as is used by numerous drivers on a similar commute, can't call it a rat run as it's the main option.  I'm on the road and not on the alongside but uneven and pocked surface with giveway signs at every minor road and the occasional parked car cyclepath (with separate pavement).

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Also random road stuff.  I was overtaken this morning by an e-moped, who pulled in asap after passing me.  Meaning that had it been more rainy I'd have been well spattered by their joke-mudguarded-only (it was spattering said e-moped rider) back wheel.  Grumble.  Traffic light separated us so I was unable to provide any education, sigh.


*this doesn't mean it is the same, we quite likely have different tolerances.  Plus being a cyclist in a car-oriented world isn't the only time I'm not in the majority. 
Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Afasoas on 09 November, 2023, 12:35:48 pm
With no device for measuring the distance of passing vehciles, I appreciate it is all very subjective. More scientific measurements would be useful.

Usual experience: There's usually a number of uncomfortably close passes on each trip out*; Kia faux by faux and Land/Range Rover drivers usually being the worst offenders. Usually some difficulty taking the lane, for example trying to get into position to turn right on approach to a roundabout. There's usually a number of very good passes too - overtaking drivers allowing as much space as they would a car - but these are only just slightly more common than the close passes.

Usual lighting: 1x Smart 0.5W Ultraflash LED (constant) and SeeMee 100 (slow flashing)
Usual attire: Cycle helmet, bib tights, jersey (which was the same for this trip)
Usual bike: Flat bar hybrid bike with mudguards and rear panniers (again, same for this trip)

I live in an area where it's unusual to see another cyclist on the road unless you are out on sunny Sunday morning.

The biggest confirmation of affect on driver behaviour was the number of drivers indicating as they pulled in after overtaking. It could be inferred from that the drivers were more conscious of what they were doing than usual.
The number of wide passes (same space as to overtake a car) was phenominal. I wasn't doing anything consciously different in terms of positioning.

*I define these generally as either being able to touch the vehicle by extending my right arm out on 30 mph roads or the overtaking vehicles slipstream substantially inteferes on NSL roads.

Title: Re: Random road stuff
Post by: Afasoas on 09 November, 2023, 12:38:08 pm
Also random road stuff.  I was overtaken this morning by an e-moped, who pulled in asap after passing me.  Meaning that had it been more rainy I'd have been well spattered by their joke-mudguarded-only (it was spattering said e-moped rider) back wheel.  Grumble.  Traffic light separated us so I was unable to provide any education, sigh.

Surprised they don't have better mudguards. I don't think I've encountered one of these outside that London yet.