Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Freewheeling => Racing => Topic started by: JT on 04 August, 2011, 03:30:57 pm
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Reports on the internet and Twitter this afternoon that Bob Stapleton has failed to find a new sponsor for Highroad and all riders (even those under contract) are free to seek other teams.
If it's true, it's a real shame for fans and, of course, those involved with the team.
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If that's the case then Dave Brailsford will be tearing his hair out ( ;D) wondering what to do - yep, Cav is brilliant BUT I don't think he would any use without Martin, Renshaw, Eisels etc ... and that may be a step too far for Sky?
Rob
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My prediction is that only Eisel will join Cav at Sky. Renshaw and Goss would be good for Green Edge.
The demise of Highroad is remarkable though. One of the highest profile, successful and international teams and they can't find a sponsor. Maybe that's the problem - no national identity in a world where global companies willing to part with cash and put up with cycling's dark side (no, not recumbents!) are scarce.
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I'd go the other way, and say that only Renshaw will be picked up.
But I fully accept I may be as accurate in this prediction as I was in that of TdF winner... ;D
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The demise of Highroad is remarkable though. One of the highest profile, successful and international teams and they can't find a sponsor. Maybe that's the problem - no national identity in a world where global companies willing to part with cash and put up with cycling's dark side (no, not recumbents!) are scarce.
For all that Bob Stapleton said during the TdF that he had been talking to potential sponsors, until they sign on the dotted line, any purported interest from them means jack all, and they might not have been offering enough money... In tough times, sponsorship budgets can be first in line for the chop along with non-management renumeration...
He had even been in talks with Bjarne Riis (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/stapleton-confirms-he-had-merger-talks-with-riis) earlier in the season, with regard to merging with Saxo Bank, but nothing concrete was agreed.
I've noticed that Omega-Pharma are merging with Quickstep for next year (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/quick-step-and-omega-pharma-set-to-join-forces-for-2012)... in the current climate, retrenchment and team mergers will be the order of the day.
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Well the original story on a Dutch news site has been pulled - maybe they jumped the gun.
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Well the original story on a Dutch news site has been pulled - maybe they jumped the gun.
..or were utilising an incorrect orifice for their verbalisation.
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Well the original story on a Dutch news site has been pulled - maybe they jumped the gun.
..or were utilising an incorrect orifice for their verbalisation.
... thus creating an "ongoing underwear entanglement situation."* ;)
* See management jargon thread (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=49325.msg1012646#msg1012646).
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Well the original story on a Dutch news site has been pulled - maybe they jumped the gun.
..or were utilising an incorrect orifice for their verbalisation.
The source was Jacky Durand, former pro and now commentator at Eurosport.
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Well the original story on a Dutch news site has been pulled - maybe they jumped the gun.
..or were utilising an incorrect orifice for their verbalisation.
The source was Jacky Durand, former pro and now commentator at Eurosport.
Mind you, he's probably been called an incorrect verbalisation orifice (or words to that effect), in a variety of languages, every time he launched an attack straight after the depart real on every TdF flat stage. ;D
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It's been well known they were looking for new sponsors, and it is entirely possible that it went to the wire, and they are now looking at an eleventh hour deal.
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The Dutch source was perhaps from one of those "cafes" they have over there ;)
I would have thought that HTC would be keen to continue - they seem to be doing quite well flogging loads of phones.
AND if as reported Cav has decided (news earlier in the week) ... one would assume the ducks were already aligned for the team he will be with ????
Rob
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Well the original story on a Dutch news site has been pulled - maybe they jumped the gun.
..or were utilising an incorrect orifice for their verbalisation.
The source was Jacky Durand, former pro and now commentator at Eurosport.
Much though I admired Dudu's swashbuckling style (aka usually hopeless one-man breakaways) during his riding career, this does not make it true.
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Well the original story on a Dutch news site has been pulled - maybe they jumped the gun.
..or were utilising an incorrect orifice for their verbalisation.
The source was Jacky Durand, former pro and now commentator at Eurosport.
Much though I admired Dudu's swashbuckling style (aka usually hopeless one-man breakaways) during his riding career, this does not make it true.
OK then, cyclingnews has it (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/htc-highroad-disbands-after-failed-sponsor-search) and it looks kosher.
There's something wrong when a top team can't get a backer, especially as it's one of those teams that was founded with an anti-doping ethicg.
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Cav was saying that he has decided who he is going to sign for. If that wasn't Highroad I can easily see that this could be the final straw in attempting to get a sponsor. While they've got other guys who are winning races, no-one else gets the coverage that Cav does...
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I'll miss this
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01948/HTC-Highroad_1948767i.jpg)
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Messrs Hushovd, Greipel, Farrar, Feillu et al might beg to differ. :demon:
Mind you, the Cavmeister has scored a few wins when he hasn't had the perfect HTC Express leadout, so they shouldn't get their hopes up too high...
(edited to amend German sprinter confusion)
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I'll miss this
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01948/HTC-Highroad_1948767i.jpg)
It has to be one of the most impressive sights in any sport.
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It was lead item on the 6am BBC Breakfast news - when Chris ( Sport presenter ) started his introduction. He was talking about Cav this and Cav that ;D
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I'm suprised that Cav's not made any comment at all. I'd have thought there'd at least have been a 'It's a sad day, shame to see so many people let go, etc, etc'.
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That photo is just fantastic. It encapsulates so much. I wonder how many were taken to get one that good.
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I'll miss this
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01948/HTC-Highroad_1948767i.jpg)
But without most of this lot as well, how can anyone make the best use of Cav? I can't think of any other teams as well-drilled these days (or since the days of Cipo) except perhaps Leopard.
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Other teams haven't needed to be, or haven't taken that investment to the extreme. I think there are probably three or four national squads who can run a similar train:
GB -Cav
US - Farrar
Aus - Goss
Germany - Greipel
I don't think any other national team could do as well.
We know that Garmin and Sky can both put together credible leadout trains when required, though Highroad are the absolute masters (the confidence of knowing that if you don't stuff up, Cav will win - and the corrollary for the opposition, knowing that even if you don't stuff up, Cav will win)
Omega Pharma Lotto/Lampre/Liquigas also stepped up to the mark occasionally but never quite got to the same level.
Looking at the Worlds, I'd put the GB train as probably the best with US second and probably AUS third.
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Other teams haven't needed to be, or haven't taken that investment to the extreme. I think there are probably three or four national squads who can run a similar train:
GB -Cav
US - Farrar
Aus - Goss
Germany - Greipel
I don't think any other national team could do as well.
We know that Garmin and Sky can both put together credible leadout trains when required, though Highroad are the absolute masters (the confidence of knowing that if you don't stuff up, Cav will win - and the corrollary for the opposition, knowing that even if you don't stuff up, Cav will win)
Omega Pharma Lotto/Lampre/Liquigas also stepped up to the mark occasionally but never quite got to the same level.
Looking at the Worlds, I'd put the GB train as probably the best with US second and probably AUS third.
It didn't seem to do Farrar (even with the help of Hushovd) and Greipel (ditto Gilbert) much good in the recent TdF, in terms of number of stage wins. All the other teams' trains seem to fall apart at crucial moments - or just don't have enough riders in them.
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That is a matter of confidence and practice.
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I think a better demonstration of what that team was able to achieve was not the nine man leadout train, but the helicopter footage of them splitting the peloton in the 2009 TdF, stage 3, into Grande Motte.
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They demonstrated that prior preparation can make all the difference.. Like the Saeco train, then the Armstrong era, HighRoad took the game to a new level. Sky are doing the same.
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What did HTC/ Highroad/ Columbia have before they developed the Cavandish launch platform?
They had a group of riders which they moulded by training and practice into the leadout train we came to know and love.
With the right mentality and commitment, any team could develop a leadout train to take over.
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I'm suprised that Cav's not made any comment at all. I'd have thought there'd at least have been a 'It's a sad day, shame to see so many people let go, etc, etc'.
He has now, on twitter
After 5 incredible years, it's heart-breaking to realise my team won't continue next year. My statement on my website http://bit.ly/omSQ4p
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What crap news. I really hope he can find a team that will be able to provide something like the level of support he had at Highroad. That photo above is just awesome.
I don't know about others but when HTC first sponsored the team I had no idea what the company was, now their phones are everywhere so maybe they feel they don't need to be spending so much to increase awareness of their brand.
It will be interesting to see how Mark Renshaw fares in sprints if he ends up on a different team to Cavendish, if he could be getting a lead-out rather than being one he could be very competitive.
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With HTC team members all split up, Cav doesn't need to be in such a strong "Train".
With some careful selections SKY could get themselves a pretty good all-round team, capable of winning a few stages. Wiggins looked like he was in good enough shape to contest in the mountain finishes (possibly GC) and Cav may still be capable of contesting sprint finishes even without a 9-man leadout.
Of course what will happen is that SKY will assemble a super team, full of Brits, and then buy the sole rights to show the Tour on British TV so I won't get to see any of it.
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Of course what will happen is that SKY will assemble a super team, full of Brits, and then buy the sole rights to show the Tour on British TV so I won't get to see any of it.
There are currently two sets of rights: one for subscription and one for free-to-air. Eurosport have the former and ITV the latter.
I don't care if Sky buy the rights as long as they have Gary Imlach fronting it and an alternative to the increasingly pointless Liggett and Sherwen is available - preferably the Harmon/Kelly combo.
I digress. Sky and many other teams are capable of giving Cav a decent lead out - the difference is trust. With Cav in your team you know that if you bring the breakaway back and deliver him to the 200m mark, he'll win most of the time. The same cannot be said for any other sprinter regardless of the leadout they get.
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My prediction, for what it's worth.
Cavendish to Sky - maybe a "train" engine or two with him - but Edvard B-H, Thomas, Swift, maybe Stannard ain't a bad train - Thomas last man? remember Brailsford keeps emphasising that the Olympics are much more important than the Tour, so building a UK train for Cav is a priority.
And - my thoughts, Wiggins to go - my punt would be for him to go back to Garmin.
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I heard that Renshaw and Eisel were part of Cavendish's deal.
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If not Sky, I reckon Rabo and Lampre could provide good homes for Cav. The new Omega Pharma Quickstep merger could also give him a home now Gilbert's gone, as long as they're prepared to pass over the waning Boonen for a non-Belgian. There'd be a similar problem with Petacchi at Lampre, of course.
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Cavendish to Sky - maybe a "train" engine or two with him - but Edvard B-H, Thomas, Swift, maybe Stannard ain't a bad train - Thomas last man?
Geraint is a very dependable rider in the last few km and indeed the last couple of hundred metres, and Cav was seen to come off his wheel for one of his Tour victories this year. My only reservation is that this would not be at the expense of Geraint's own development.
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I don't know about others but when HTC first sponsored the team I had no idea what the company was, now their phones are everywhere so maybe they feel they don't need to be spending so much to increase awareness of their brand.
Well, it took quite some time before I realised the "HTC" written on the front of my phone was the same "HTC" as written on the front of Cav's jersey! :P
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There's an interesting take on the demise of HTC on the Inner Ring blog, suggesting that most of its funding has been courtesy of a stonking severance payment from T-Mobile:
http://inrng.com/2011/08/highroad-pro-cycling/
One of the comments is worth quoting (http://inrng.com/2011/08/highroad-pro-cycling/#comment-8104):
Some may criticize their lack of GC contenders, but the bottom line is that going after GC is a high risk proposition which puts many eggs in very few baskets. While top 10 finishes are admirable, they really don’t mean much; a win is a win; 2nd, 3rd, or 7th are not. But focusing on one day events and stage races gives you many opportunities for success, spread out over many riders. If you are winning a lot of races, the riders have more prize money to split, which can help keep wages in check.
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There's an interesting take on the demise of HTC on the Inner Ring blog, suggesting that most of its funding has been courtesy of a stonking severance payment from T-Mobile:
http://inrng.com/2011/08/highroad-pro-cycling/
One of the comments is worth quoting (http://inrng.com/2011/08/highroad-pro-cycling/#comment-8104):
Some may criticize their lack of GC contenders, but the bottom line is that going after GC is a high risk proposition which puts many eggs in very few baskets. While top 10 finishes are admirable, they really don’t mean much; a win is a win; 2nd, 3rd, or 7th are not. But focusing on one day events and stage races gives you many opportunities for success, spread out over many riders. If you are winning a lot of races, the riders have more prize money to split, which can help keep wages in check.
The quote is apposite - bearing out Chris Boardman's question on the Halfords ads during this year's tour coverage ... "Why are there 2nd and 3rd places on a podium?"
Rob
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And - my thoughts, Wiggins to go - my punt would be for him to go back to Garmin.
I think he pretty much burned his bridges with them when he left.
From David Millar just before the Tour - "We [the Garmin team in 2009] made him. We basically rode him into that fourth place finish in the Tour de France. It was not a one-man show. It was a team effort. He wouldn't have hit the top 10 if he'd been on any other team so that's why I was so pissed off with him. He never once gave us the respect we deserved. Mark Cavendish understands the game – Brad doesn't. He's a natural-born leader, Cav, whereas Brad has no leadership skills. The way Cav is with his team-mates helps make him an incredible rider."
I don't think anyone else would pay Wiggins as much as Sky do either.
Re Cav and his train - in an interview during the Tour Renshaw hinted very heavily that he, Cav and Eisel would be staying together.
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I would like to see Cav not quite so dependant on the leadout ,a bit more like Robbie McEwan.
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I would like to see Cav not quite so dependant on the leadout ,a bit more like Robbie McEwan.
He isn't, but it goes from an odds on chance to a nailed on cert with. And you get much more sonsor exposure with the train..
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One of my favourite sprints ever was when Robbie came from absolutely nowhere to win the stage into Cantebury the other year. He was off the back several km from the finish and suddenly reappeared with 150 to go! Bosh!
I bet Cav could mould himself into that type of sprinter, but if he's got a train, he's going to use it...
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I heard that Renshaw and Eisel were part of Cavendish's deal.
I'd put money on Renshaw going with him.
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Unless Cavendish goes to Rabobank it looks like you'd have lost your money (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-renshaw-to-be-number-one-sprinter-at-rabobank)
From cyclingnews:
Sky has reportedly been beaten to the punch by Rabobank to sign Mark Renshaw for the next two seasons, outbidding the British outfit.
According to De Telegraaf, Renshaw will head to next year’s Tour de France as Rabobank’s appointed sprinter. The report cites the Dutch bank’s growing interests in the Australian market as a catalyst for the 28-year-old’s recruitment. Sources close to Renshaw had informed Cyclingnews earlier this week that he and Mark Cavendish were both Sky-bound in 2012.
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Unless Cavendish goes to Rabobank it looks like you'd have lost your money (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-renshaw-to-be-number-one-sprinter-at-rabobank)
From cyclingnews:
Sky has reportedly been beaten to the punch by Rabobank to sign Mark Renshaw for the next two seasons, outbidding the British outfit.
According to De Telegraaf, Renshaw will head to next year’s Tour de France as Rabobank’s appointed sprinter. The report cites the Dutch bank’s growing interests in the Australian market as a catalyst for the 28-year-old’s recruitment. Sources close to Renshaw had informed Cyclingnews earlier this week that he and Mark Cavendish were both Sky-bound in 2012.
So the Sky move info passed to Cyclingnews was duff gen?
Who's to say the Rabbobank info is more accurate?
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Not me. I'm just concerned about Tewdric's finances.
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Not me. I'm just concerned about Tewdric's finances.
I used the conditional advisedly, not being a betting man! ;D
I'm surprised though.
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Renshaw confirms he is joining Rabobank for the next 2 years - as their top sprinter.
http://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/37896
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Well, it makes sense for Renshaw to move on at some point - every bridesmaid wants to be the bride eventually.