Must be nearly time to declare. Waiting for Prior to get a century? Or Broad, the way he's slogging it.
Draw anyone? :-\That's what I was thinking when I left work ...
Well done our lads!
KP (asked about an English dessert):Well done our lads!
I didn't know you were South African, Matt.
Test 2.73, as it turned out - Broad hit 64 of 66 balls before Harbajhan got him.
England collapse - good bowling/pathetic batting effort/ or both?
200 partnership by Broad and Swann anyone? ;)
Test 2.
England collapse - good bowling/pathetic batting effort/ or both?
No announcement here about what's going on.
...and England are pushing the lead up to "impossible" territory. It's already over 300, and according to stats on TMS earlier, the average fourth innings total at Trentbridge is about 140.
Still on a train.
Relying on you guys to keep me up to date.
...I think they've dropped TWO catches now. No doubt the Indians are filled with confidence. ;)
And a first ball drop too.
Tendulkar lbw Anderson 56I bet Dhoni's kicking himself for letting Ian Bell off the hook, eh?
107-7
I reckon the issue is whether they would have got back to their hotel alive.Tendulkar lbw Anderson 56I bet Dhoni's kicking himself for letting Ian Bell off the hook, eh?
107-7
I reckon the issue is whether they would have got back to their hotel alive.In terms of runs scored, no I don't think it made that much of a difference particularly when you take the Bresnan/Broad partnership into account but, as Mr. Tesco says, "Every Little Helps". I'd like to think that it might serve to silence some of Bell's critics, but my hopes aren't high.
Didn't Bell only manage another 22-ish? Not really match-changing, was it?
If Trott is injured for the next test, there must be a case for playing Bell at 3, replacing Trott with Tremlett, and playing 5 bowlers. I don't think any of the bowlers are good enough batsmen to be considered all-rounders in their own right, but cumulatively I'd say they make up for one batsman.
... and it'd be a bit of a pisser to drop Bresnan for Tremlett after the lad just took 5 wickets.I think it's a sign of good management and a good team ethos if you can drop someone DESPITE them playing a blinder.
Squad rotation is healthy, as it keeps everyone's hand in. Best not to go TOO mad with it, mind!
FTFY.... and it'd be a bit of a pisser to drop Bresnan for Tremlett after the lad just took 5 wickets.I think it's a sign of good management and a good team ethos if you can drop someone DESPITE them playing a blinder.
For one thing, a lot of it is luck. Then there's consistency - noone should be safe after 1 good game if they haven't been consistent in the past or their name is Kevin Pietersen
You're missing the context, Matt ...No, I was just giving my opinion on dropping a player who has played a blinder! I didn't mean anything against the 'Deano 11' :)
India 60-3 before lunch, Tendulkar out for 1.I'm not sure about everything, but the important things are looking good.
Yep, forget the looting, everything's fine in our great country.
under discussion, a tweet to Malcolm @ TMS:
A Mishra
I Sharma
Are they the only anagram bowling attack in test cricket?
(@Wowbagger - nice story, true or not :) )
under discussion, a tweet to Malcolm @ TMS:
A Mishra
I Sharma
Are they the only anagram bowling attack in test cricket?
(@Wowbagger - nice story, true or not :) )
Interesting moment in TMS box as @tmsscorer reveals that "GROTTY COFFEE BOY" is an anagram of Geoffrey Boycott to Geoffrey Boycott.
I'd be most surprised if the bookies were offering less than 100-1 against that.
The best of the anagrams was read out right at the end of play. "Sachin Tendulkar" goes to "And I Lack The Runs".
Cook's got his 250, Morgan made a ton. Currently 627-6 :thumbsup:
England's highest total in Test history was the 903-7 declared vs the Aussies at the Oval in 1938 (oh for a time-travel machine). 2nd: 849 vs West Indies, Kingston 1930.
17:30
Eng 687-6
Almost impossible for Tim Bresnan to see anything out there - just enough to smash Sharma through cover with the timing and grace of a chunky Lara. No point in England declaring now, you'd feel, because if it's "dangerous" for a team closing in on 700 to bat, you shudder to think how the ICC might describe conditions for a team facing the new ball, three pace bowlers and a deficit of 463
What's the daily over quota? 90?
That is a monumentally stupid decision from the umpires. Brainless.
>:(
This could have a major downside. I had the whole of tomorrow sorted out for a full days lounging in front of the big telly.
There's a lot of turn in the pitch now, so if I were Swann I'd be disappointed if I didn't managed to bag at least a couple of wickets.This could have a major downside. I had the whole of tomorrow sorted out for a full days lounging in front of the big telly.
You'll be alright. Just enjoy watching Swann take six wickets.
Swann taking a few would, I reckon, make it the perfect series for England. Everyone would have contributed.
This could have a major downside. I had the whole of tomorrow sorted out for a full days lounging in front of the big telly.
You'll be alright. Just enjoy watching Swann take six wickets.
Swann taking a few would, I reckon, make it the perfect series for England. Everyone would have contributed.
Boycott was dropped for slow scoring in the 1960s after a double century.I can just about remember when England's opening partnership was .... Boycott and Tavare.
Edit: 246 not out against India at Headingley in 1967.
It's a great triumph for Essex, in the same way as the 1966 football world cup was a great triumph for West Ham. O:-)
Top of the World. Woot!!
Top of the World. Woot!!
And a distraction from this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/14498107.stm ;) ;D
I'm left with a feeling of anti-climax.
Just how can India be so bad?
From Sammy in Edinburgh: "One does not quaff champagne. To quaff is to drink with such abandon that up to 50% (in rare cases more!) fails to reach the intended recipient's stomach and instead finds sanctuary in their beard, on their person, in their lap, on a table, the floor, the beard or person of another or alternatively somewhere it shouldn't have even been possible to reach. The best example of quaffers are dwarfs."
"That's their seventh innings victory in their last 13 Tests."TMS
I'm there! It's a bit quiet. Ajmal looks bloody dangerous and they got the spinners on in the sixth over.Listening to it on 5 Live at the moment - up until Swann came in it sounded more like a bloody massacre than a cricket match.
Oops, Nelson. Hop, lads.
There'll be more here on Friday, assuming the match lasts long enough. There are loads of Pakistanis in Dubai but they're either working or don't give a toss about Tests.
I'm there! It's a bit quiet. Ajmal looks bloody dangerous and they got the spinners on in the sixth over.
Oops, Nelson. Hop, lads.
There'll be more here on Friday, assuming the match lasts long enough. There are loads of Pakistanis in Dubai but they're either working or don't give a toss about Tests.
I'm there! It's a bit quiet.
Really?!(click to show/hide)
could have been worse
Really?!(click to show/hide)
could have been worse
Another spoiler ..(click to show/hide)
I was driving and so restricted to long wave.
Yet again a match finishes during the shipping forecast.
It's getting almost wierd.
Oh, I don't know, it's not so bad.
It's kind of reasurring to get back on familar ground once again.
All this stuff about being the No1 team in the world always sounded a bit of an odd concept to get ones head round :)
I thought I'd resurrect this thread given that England, needing 191 to win, are 10 for 2. :oWhich is how much it costs to get in tomorrow. £10 that is. For anyone local enough with the time and interest, bargain.
Hanging in the balance - if we have a decent stand now it may be enough. I think the WI may get this one.Another sterling innings from Pietersen, I notice ::-)
"Surely Strauss, God love him, is the cold leftover pizza of the cricketing world? Glorious the day before but, with expectations still artificially high the next morning, he becomes a chilled, coagulated imitation of his prior steaming, cheesy goodness."
England actually looking in a good position now... (atm)Actually, I rather like cold pizza :)
Do you reckon Strauss has done enough?
From guardian...Quote"Surely Strauss, God love him, is the cold leftover pizza of the cricketing world? Glorious the day before but, with expectations still artificially high the next morning, he becomes a chilled, coagulated imitation of his prior steaming, cheesy goodness."
How long is it since England had to bowl to two West Indians at the crease, both of whom were on more than 100?About 2 minutes ago
How long is it since England had to bowl to two West Indians at the crease, both of whom were on more than 100?Don't panic WB! Your beloved England may still pull through! Stop being such a pessimist - I'm sure you can find some good news to post :)
Oh dear - we're getting hammered now; two centuries, and oneFixed that for you ;)doubletriple century for SA. Still the cricket's taking a back seat today...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/18938323
Oh dear - we're getting hammered now; two centuries, and oneFixed that for you ;)doubletriple century for SA. Still the cricket's taking a back seat today...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/18938323
Saffers take 20 wickets where England could only manage 2....
Massive statistic.
No.
No.
I don't think so either, especially since Eng. are now two wickets down.
Garry, you're not a surgeon or a pilot are you? Don't think i'd want you to be listening to such a gripping match in the circs.!
[looks round at living environment]
Nah...no need to worry about that.
The application of paint is affected by very little!
Nice easy warm down next over the winter....against India. In India :)
aren't there still some one day games to be played ?
well it's official now Andy Strauss stands down, shame he feels he needs to stand down as he was a good captain, I'm sure his form will return
Indeed. I suspect a cushy job as a pundit/commentator now awaits.well it's official now Andy Strauss stands down, shame he feels he needs to stand down as he was a good captain, I'm sure his form will return
I thought he'd announced his retirement from all forms of cricket. Not much chance of a return to form if that's the case.
I know there isn't a direct connection, but today I think Pietersen is a knob more strongly than I did yesterday. And yesterday I thought he was a massive knob.I think I'll stick with 'arrogant prick'.
Let's just say, "Thanks!"
Still, I reckon Cookie will make a good captain providing he's actually given time to prove himself (or not) in the role.
Therein lies the problem - we're playing India in India and our record over there is less than stellar (just as well we're not playing Sri Lanka too!). Whilst I'm sure that Cook knows what to expect, the bigger worry is that the ECB, in their infinite wisdom, will replace him with someone else when we invariably take a subcontinental pounding.Still, I reckon Cookie will make a good captain providing he's actually given time to prove himself (or not) in the role.
Well, I most certainly hope so, but I must admit to being a bit nervous about him coming in right now. I don't think he's in a rock-solid place himself as far as batting form goes, and what with India in India, that's some challenge he faces. Still, good luck to him.
There should be a "move topic" button at the bottom left. Odd place for it, really.
why oh why have they left Monty in the wings yet again,
and isn't it very difficult to keep track of the matches without sky.
why oh why have they left Monty in the wings yet again,
and isn't it very difficult to keep track of the matches without sky.
Well, I most certainly hope so, but I must admit to being a bit nervous about him [Cooke] coming in right now. I don't think he's in a rock-solid place himself as far as batting form goes, and what with India in India, that's some challenge he faces.
Don't you only get Boxing Day tests in Australia?
And now Cook's got his 23rd Test century, becoming England's most prolific century maker ever.
Alastair Cook has beaten Tendulka's record to become youngest person to reach 7000 test runs.Stats are wonderful things.
I think umpires have a hard job, even more so in the modern game with all the technology and the attitude of the players.
Is this another wicket? Gambhir pushed at Swann, who went up for the LBW, but as he did so Trott took a low catch at slip and set off in celebration. The umpires went upstairs, presumably to check if it carried, which it did – but Gambhir did not hit it. The problem is that the third umpire cannot overrule on that; his only remit is to determine whether it carried. Gambhir has been not out. This is really controversial. Surely the third umpire can only rule on whether it carried? It appears the third umpire may have taken the law into his hands. Ultimately it's the right decision – Gambhir didn't hit it – although that's not the point. Unless we're missing something really obvious, which can't be ruled out, England have been stitched up there. You can't have the third umpire making it up as he goes along.
I think umpires have a hard job, even more so in the modern game with all the technology and the attitude of the players.
That's true, but he was specifically being asked whether the ball had carried, not on whether the batsman had hit it. From the
No when a catch is referred to the Third Umpire the laws also require the Third umpire to check if it was a legal delivery (no ball) and if it is a fair catch. Obviously it can't be a fair catch if the player didn't hit it.I think umpires have a hard job, even more so in the modern game with all the technology and the attitude of the players.
That's true, but he was specifically being asked whether the ball had carried, not on whether the batsman had hit it. From the
That's ridiculous. So you could have a situation where an umpire talks to the third umpire and might say something like "Well, was he out?" and the third umpire, who has seen something else has to lie and say "No" even though he can see the batsman clearly was.
Might as well scrap it and go back to the old fashioned way of umpiring....
Anyone know if their score of 330-ish is any good on this pitch?
Pessimism is the natural state for England fans, isn't it? They scratch their way to a semi-respectable score, then the opposition comes to smack it around with ease and turn the scoreboard over to 700-5 before declaring and bowling England out for 72. Uusually.
In this match, though, it sounds as though our bowlers got a lot more out of the pitch than the Indian bowlers.
Anyone know a good YouTube channel for highlights? The damn Sky monopoly is getting annoying.
I clicked on that and was bombarded with spam.
Considering England are 2-1 up in the series and this match is clearly heading for a draw - I'd say a series defeat is still the most likely outcome for India!
Surely Root's average is 93? 73 out in the first innings, 20 no out in the second?
Vic remarked that his test average would be higher than any other Yorkshireman (and one Yorkshireman in particular).Surely Root's average is 93? 73 out in the first innings, 20 no out in the second?
Ah! My mistake, I got a bit carried away after reading "Vic has noticed that if Root can get to 27 not out by the close, he'll have a Test average of 100"
I was watching 'Sports Personality...' last night and it occured to me that, wonderful though this sporting year has been, after losing the first Test and losing the toss in Mumbai, this turnaround is as big and unlikely a triumph as anything celebrated last night.
Cook's taking over has reset the team. They're like a computer that has been turned off and turned on again - still basically the same machine but apparently free of the various bugs and glitches that were riddling them by the end of last summer.
I've heard a theory that India only win after winning the toss.
;)
Nothing to worry about.
Nothing to worry about.
I'd be hesitant to suggest that something has changed in English cricket over the last 15 years or so. Forget the number one rating that we held for a while [I'm sure that's not the case now], but what is heartening is a change in mentality in the face of things going wrong. Collapses used to follow collapses. How many of those did we used to see? But these days, a bad day at the office doesn't necessarily mean that it's all over for the rest of the series.
South African ...Are people still banging on about this? Or about 'foreigners' in other walks of life?
I don't think I've ever said that I have a problem with it matt, because I haven't. It's just a curiosity, that's all.I shall happily take your word for this, but you must realise that it's been an issue for many - in many media, certainly on YACF in the recent past.
I think Richie Benaud (peace be upon him) would have said...
I don't think I've ever said that I have a problem with it matt, because I haven't. It's just a curiosity, that's all.I shall happily take your word for this, but you must realise that it's been an issue for many - in many media, certainly on YACF in the recent past.
It's like casually noting numbers of goals scored by Newcastle's black players vs their white teammates.
I think Richie Benaud (peace be upon him) would have said...
You gave me a shock then! You make it sound like he's dead! (He is alive and well at 83 :) )
Having said that, I think there was sometimes a certain amount of embellishment to some of Arlott's stories.
Yes, that was superb and I agree Bill McLaren was excellent, though in fairness to John Arlott, I don't think he'd have been eligible for Scotland, would he?
Blimey. India 3/0 at lunch, 283/0 at stumps, with Shikhar Dhawan 185 not out on his test debut.
The Australians looked distinctly ragged in the last half-dozen overs.
Blimey. India 3/0 at lunch, 283/0 at stumps, with Shikhar Dhawan 185 not out on his test debut.
The Australians looked distinctly ragged in the last half-dozen overs.
Is he Sehwag's replacement? Not a bad sub to have.
Australia may be regretting dropping their best bowler.
They have done it :o :D
Shades of Cardiff.
Aussies not doing so well...
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/poms-gloat-as-australian-cricket-team-becomes-a-global-laughing-stock-20130312-2fxa9.html
I'm not gloating... O:-)
I'm not gloating... O:-)
The "Brian Johnston Champagne Moment" has to be Monty running between the wickets, and diving for the crease. Only he dived two yards too early leaving him flat out on the pitch like a stranded porpoise and having to flop/crawl to get his bat in. ;D
The "Brian Johnston Champagne Moment" has to be Monty running between the wickets, and diving for the crease. Only he dived two yards too early leaving him flat out on the pitch like a stranded porpoise and having to flop/crawl to get his bat in. ;D
I heard that on TMS. Michael Vaughan is incredibly patronising towards Panesar.
Yusuf Pathan just given out for obstructing the field in the IPL match between KKR and Pune. Never seen that before although I knew of the rules existence. Look out for it on YT.
Twice in test cricket...
Twice in test cricket...
But both in the same match...
It seems rather vague as to whether it counts as a dismissal or not. It seems that it does so far as the batting averages are concerned.That seems to make sense, in that "retiring" everytime you score (say) 105 but are a bit knackered might be a great way to boost your official average.
I would imagine "Retired Dead" would probably count as out.
Ian Peebles
If you're going to go missing mid-match, you might as well make a splash, which is exactly what legspinner Peebles did during a minor game at the end of England's 1927-28 tour of South Africa. "As our batsmen were well entrenched I went with a couple of local lads to bathe in a nearby river," he recalled. "The time passed more quickly than we had calculated, and when I got back, we were in the field and I was soundly and properly berated by Ronny [Stanyforth, the captain]. However, no one was more amused than he when next day the Cape Times in their score of the match had a line: 'Peebles absent bathing 0', an entry surely unique in the scorebooks of the world."
Oh God, is this what real cricket's like? I'd forgotten. Englands run rate is 1.83 - against NZ. They're all on mogadon or summat.
Thank goodness for a dose of IPL later on.
Oh God, is this what real cricket's like? I'd forgotten. Englands run rate is 1.83 - against NZ. They're all on mogadon or summat.
Thank goodness for a dose of IPL later on.
Heard yesterday on TMS:
Blowers: I feel today has been an old-fashioned day of proper test cricket.
Tuffers: A bit boring, you mean?
Oh God, is this what real cricket's like? I'd forgotten. Englands run rate is 1.83 - against NZ. They're all on mogadon or summat.
Thank goodness for a dose of IPL later on.
Heard yesterday on TMS:
Blowers: I feel today has been an old-fashioned day of proper test cricket.
Tuffers: A bit boring, you mean?
;D
Not a bad morning today.
Mind you, I've just flicked over for a bit of biff, bang, POW!! from India and much as my dream is to follow England round the Caribbean, that ground at Dharamsala with the Himalayas as the backdrop is stunning. That's on my bucket list now. Miles from anywhere though.
New Zealand are 21-4!And he's gone. ;D
...But McCullum's in. I'm worried about McCullum.
I hope so - I want to go for a bike ride.go on then, have a good ride.
That was brutal by Broad, Anderson and the whole team. I'm pleased they've remembered how to crush opposition. Australia should be worried.
I'd say extra batting practice was the main reason for not enforcing the follow on...
Heavy rain is forecast almost all day tomorrow. I doubt that England can win this in the time available.
These Saffers are a bit shit really, aren't they?
These Saffers are a bit shit really, aren't they?
Given too many wickets away in the last 5 minutes :'(
Oh well.Seems I'm wrong about that.
Up next - real criggid.
:thumbsup:
Oh well.Know what you mean though - roll on the Ashes... :)
Up next - real criggid.
:thumbsup:
Wait, the first test starts today! I still think of test matches starting on Thursdays.
Siddle's doing well, I hope it means the England bowlers will have rich pickings.
we sure will - 215 all out is not good enough. worse most of the batsmen got themselves out rather than were got out by the bowler.Siddle's doing well, I hope it means the England bowlers will have rich pickings.
At this rate, we might well find out before the day's out!
we sure will - 215 all out is not good enough.
Yes but they fooled us all by calling up a young 19 year old batsman who bowls left arm spin, calling him a bowler and sending him in at 11. he'll be batting 8 by the end of the series at this rate.
Roll out your favourite cliches:
need one good partnership, early wickets important, bowl in the right areas ... yada yada ...
What was this stumping chance the commentators were mumbling about earlier?
I'm really not keen on all this referral nonsense...Me neither.
And always wait for the umpire's decision before walking :P
For me, one of the pleasures of cricket is that in some ways it can be remarkably subtle, and in others, remarkably simple. One of the simplicities is that the umpire decides when people are out (referals notwithstanding).Now, this isn't my sport, but ... I'm pretty sure a batsman can choose to walk, and the ump doesn't have to do a thing. This can save the official any angst with those decisions where the batsman is best positioned to know (e.g. will always know if he did nick a ball).
I would normally always say a batsman should walk if he believed he has nicked it, but seeing as more and more decisions are being taken away from the umpires now, I don't see how any decisions can be left to the batsmen!
If Broad had walked, there would have been just as many people (in the press, twatter etc) saying he should have waited for the umpire's decision as there would be praising him for shoving his bat under his arm and trudging purposefully back to the pavillion with his head held high.
There will be many saying that the Broad incident "evens out" the Agar stumping that wasn't given.If he doesn't score >97 can we still claim the moral high ground?!?
Whoah, just saw the Broad appeal. I'm amazed he wasn't given out!
I would normally always say a batsman should walk if he believed he has nicked it, but seeing as more and more decisions are being taken away from the umpires now, I don't see how any decisions can be left to the batsmen!
If Broad had walked, there would have been just as many people (in the press, twatter etc) saying he should have waited for the umpire's decision as there would be praising him for shoving his bat under his arm and trudging purposefully back to the pavillion with his head held high.
A very similar thing happened to Adam Gilchrest in Australia 10+ years ago against the West Indies. Only he walked. The press went mental at him for not waiting for the umpire....
Me too. Broad put the umpire in a difficult position
I don't think his job description includes being the sole arbiter of a dismissal - or maybe it does?
Me too. Broad put the umpire in a difficult position
No, Broad didn't put the umpire anywhere - the umpire did that by missing an easy decision. And the Aussies fucked up by mis-using their reviews.
I don't think his job description includes being the sole arbiter of a dismissal - or maybe it does?
That's exactly his job description
maybe Peter, but the other two made 0 & 5 not what I would call inspiring. I know the Australians didn't do much better but you usually find that what ever we do the ozzies do better, I go along with what they were saying on TMS yesterday about how the style & shot selection has changed since the introduction of the shorter matches, players get into the one day game mode and find it hard to change to the 5 day game. either way today will be very interesting.Well it was you who criticised our top "4" batters...
In other news Denmark, yes they do play stickball* in Denmark**, has won against Isle of Man in a ICC Europe Division One Twenty20 tournament.Well Italy the winner of group A beat Denmark winner of group B in the final today, oh bother. But pretty good going for DK with playing semi final at 1400 and a final to play at 1830.
Two for two, top of Group B (http://www.cricketeurope4.net/CRICKETEUROPE/DATABASE/2013/TOURNAMENTS/EURODIV1/resultsB.shtml) - what what, jolly good show!
*) why it is called cricket when there is 12 sticks and no crickets in this game?
**) and I have just learnt that Denmark has played stickball since 1866.
Do you think England have tactics for this, you know, have they got a Decision Review System system system?Andrew Strauss said that when he was captain, they wouldn't go for a review unless the bowler, wicketkeeper and Strauss himself (usually 1st slip with a pretty good view) all agreed it was out. It wouldn't surprise me if Cook had a similar system.
Do you think England have tactics for this, you know, have they got a Decision Review System system system?Andrew Strauss said that when he was captain, they wouldn't go for a review unless the bowler, wicketkeeper and Strauss himself (usually 1st slip with a pretty good view) all agreed it was out. It wouldn't surprise me if Cook had a similar system.
DRS is fine. Both teams know the rules so both have the same opportunities.
Of greater intrigue to me is Hotspot. Is it really infallible? Could a batsman play a shot then run his gloved hand down the edge of his bat and confuse it perhaps? When and how is the Hotspot image captured?
Love it! :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: That was close. Re. the DRS, as I think Alec S said on TMS, if a team reviews a decision and it doesn't go against them, that team should keep that review in hand and not lose it.
Each team is allowed to make two unsuccessful review requests per innings during a Test Match and one unsuccessful review request per innings during a One Day International.
When and how is the Hotspot image captured?
:thumbsup: That was close. Re. the DRS, as I think Alec S said on TMS, if a team reviews a decision and it doesn't go against them, that team should keep that review in hand and not lose it.
I might be misunderstanding you but that's how it works now.Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpire_Decision_Review_SystemEach team is allowed to make two unsuccessful review requests per innings during a Test Match and one unsuccessful review request per innings during a One Day International.
Weren't they on about the situation where a review is technically correct, but the original decision is upheld (I.e umpire's call)?
I'm not sure I agree - DRS is supposed to be reserved for obviously wrong decisions - but I can see the sense in it.
Weren't they on about the situation where a review is technically correct, but the original decision is upheld (I.e umpire's call)?
I'm not sure I agree - DRS is supposed to be reserved for obviously wrong decisions - but I can see the sense in it.
England received apologies from the International Cricket Council and the founder of the Hot Spot thermal imaging technology after the dismissal of Jonathan Trott for his first golden duck in Test cricket had marred another memorable day of Ashes cricket in Nottingham.
...
Meanwhile Warren Brennan, a New Zealander who adapted the Hot Spot technology for cricket, contacted the ESPN Cricinfo website to confirm Sky's claim that the "glitch" which cost Trott his wicket was down to "operator error".
Brennan explained that the operator in question had not "triggered the system for the Trott delivery" because he was waiting to offer a replay of the previous ball from which Joe Root was given caught behind down the leg side. Root was left to regret his failure not to call for a review, as those replays showed no proof that he had edged Mitchell Starc's delivery.
A century for Bell :thumbsup:
GROAN... :hand:
GROAN... :hand:
The England higher order batsmen, esp Cook n'Root, are being carried by Bell atm. They need to get a grip soon really, IMHO.
This is the type of afternoon session dreams are made of for England. After playing and missing, then hammering an angry four to the midwicket boundary, Michael Clarke plays all around Stuart Broad's attempted yorker and is pinned in front. As the umpire raises his finger, Clarke considers whether to review. And remembers he can't. Off you go, Michael.
...but I imagine the tail will wag. As usual....
Tuffers good. Vaughan not so much; too chavvy.
I used to think Blowers was great for TMS but I think his time might just be up.
McGrath is a welcome addition though.
Boycott is fine in short doses but sometimes he gets too long and it's all just a bit too much.
It evens out. Cook had an amazing series in India when all about him were collapsing, Root scored a century against New Zealand and looked good and has just started opening.
England still look capable of collapsing, but nowadays it's rare for one of the top order not to score a century. I remember when fifties were celebrated, and centuries (even in defeat) were harped upon like victories.
Tuffers having a chat about how he'd had a chat with the head groundsman. "I was just talking to Mike Hunt, and...". Him and Aggers did exceedingly well to keep control, you could hear the effort it was taking. ;D
Not since 1890 have England won the first two Tests of a home Ashes series. They have never before won an Ashes Test by so many runs in this country, and only once by more overseas. To do it at the spiritual home of the game, where Australia had only lost twice in more than a century, makes it dreamier still.
Perhaps they should have three adjudicators, requiring a majority?
While I'm very happy with the result, I feel very sorry for Agar, who might have pulled at least respectability out of Australia's sorry bag. He was clearly not out. It was fair enough for England to appeal if they heard something, though I'm surprised none of them noticed that he didn't hit it. But the strange thing is that the adjudicator decided he must have been out because he heard a sound. As I understand it, that's not what the referral system is for; it is to put right an obvious mistake, which this wasn't. Perhaps they should have three adjudicators, requiring a majority? What is the nationality of the adjudicator? I imagine he must be a neutral?
So, 328 to avoid the follow-on. I'm not sure I fancy England to get that!
I think you mean the combined Rain dance of the English dressing room has been successful. The Glorious British Summer has reverted to type enabling us to escape the clutches of a well performing Aussie team, who finally batted properly this test and put pressure on our fragile batting lineup.my support for england was bought into question the other day when I dared to mention mediocre opening english batsmen, my comment still stands, the next 2 tests will be interesting, Australia still have to prove they're better than us and we have to prove we would have won anyway.
I hardly think winning the ashes by default removes the need for us to prove that we are as good as we say, if it wasn't for the intervention of the weather we would have lost today. there are still many of our players not firing on all 4 cylinders.
I thought Australia batted for too long yesterday, and too slowly, given they had to win.Clarke's postmatch interview included the statement that they had planned to bat a further couple of overs on Sunday and declare to give them 25 overs bowling at the top order. Given the mess England got into yesterday they could easily have been 3 down over night and in a real mire if the weather held today. The failure of the light on Sunday put a spanner in the calculations.
I thought Australia batted for too long yesterday, and too slowly, given they had to win.Clarke's postmatch interview included the statement that they had planned to bat a further couple of overs on Sunday and declare to give them 25 overs bowling at the top order. Given the mess England got into yesterday they could easily have been 3 down over night and in a real mire if the weather held today. The failure of the light on Sunday put a spanner in the calculations.
Conversely if they had pulled out earlier and the light held Engalnd could have been 100 for 1 at the close chasing 275 and then the Aussies would have been up against it yesterday, particularly if the weather held. I doubt Clarke would have wanted to go down in Aussie cricketing history as the captain who declared twice in an Ashes match and LOST.
Bad weather (light and rain) will always be a potential factor in cricket by they are inherently uncertain and making declarations on the assumption that the weather will take away time is as likely to come back and bite you as be the inspired captaincy.
What would we do without Ian Bell?!
299 to win. Wonder what the odds are (most bookies are blocked from work).I imagine they're a lot shorter now Aus are 98-0
I agree, bobb. It would be an outstanding performance if Australia were to win from here.
..... the collapse will come!
Hmmm 80 - 0. I'm not worried though - the collapse will come!
If Bell gets man of the series on Monday I think everybody will have a job to remember what it was for, including himself.
I don't fancy our chances of keeping hold of the Ashes this winter, might be worth checking out the prices at William Hill
Mrs Ant is finally getting the hang of it. When Trott was given out she asked "Is he going to send that upstairs then?" 8)Ah, but did she think it was out? ;)
4 overs left, 21 runs required and 5 wickets down, would have been proper edge of the seat stuffIf I hadn't posted on FacePalm words to the effect that I thought Trott and Pietersen were taking the Aussies to the cleaners we'd probably still be 3 down ;D
So we've all agreed the ICC are evil little shits who owe £50K to our supporters at the Oval. But:
Does the safety of the fielding side come into any of this? Discuss.
(I really don't know the answer ... I can't remember enough 'disputed' bad light decisions, and i've never seen one in the flesh.)
After their display in the first innings, it was only just that they ran out of time. No sympathy here whatsoever.Mikey Vaughan read out a great tweet during the run chase - something like:
Zimbabwe have recorded a landmark Test victory by beating Pakistan by 24 runs in Harare to draw the series 1-1.BBC
Good effort, that, I thought.;D
Any coomments from Shane Warne?
Hanif Mohammed scores 499 in 1957 but that wasn't a test. Majid Khan?
Dravid? Gavaskar? Tendulkar?
I keep thinking about Archie McLaren's 424 against Somerset in 1895, which remained the highest score in English cricket for 99 years. I couldn't tell you who broke it though.
Normal service has been resumed. >:(I saw a link on the front page of the Beeb's website - I stopped reading after 'England collapse' ....
Well, at least the idiots having a go at Cookie can't blame him for that one.
So who are the other 26? Can we get them all without any Googling at all? I'll start with some really obvious ones with scores I can remember off the top of my head:
So much for going down to Trent Bridge today - the humidity was so bad last night I hardly slept and I'd have been in no state to face the M1 :(
Getting a bit daft now - Alastair Cook is bowling, FFS :oReminds me of when Boycott put his cap on backwards to bowl. I think the batsman must have had tears of laughters in his eyes and couldn't see the ball properly for Boycott to have taken his wicket!
ETA: and he's just taken a bloody wicket :o
I have a vague recollection of Graham Thorpe (of all people) doing something similar - don't think he ended up taking a wicket, though.Getting a bit daft now - Alastair Cook is bowling, FFS :oReminds me of when Boycott put his cap on backwards to bowl. I think the batsman must have had tears of laughters in his eyes and couldn't see the ball properly for Boycott to have taken his wicket!
ETA: and he's just taken a bloody wicket :o
Jimmy Anderson up before the beakPity that 'being a dick' isn't a doable offence, since Jadeja would probably be up there instead of Jimmy (not that he's entirely blameless, but the Indians are being a bit dickish about the whole thing)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28319579
He could be banned for the next four tests for allegedly pushing Jadeja.
Proof that Cook really has lost the plot captaincy-wise: the new man in is .... Liam Plunkett
There are times and places for a nightwatchman. This is neither the time nor the place :facepalm:
319 is beyond England, I'm afraid. I hope they manage it but it's a very tall order.I'm inclined to agree - they can't keep relying on the middle order (and the occasional tail-ender) to bail them out. Plus there seems to be a fair bit of movement in the pitch now (that's the impression I'm getting, at any rate)
Only once has a team made more than 319 in the fourth innings to win a Test at Lord's. The highest chases are:
344-1: West Indies v England, 1984 (below)
282-3: England v New Zealand, 2004
218-3: England v New Zealand, 1965
First wicket gone ...
Gary Ballance, your country needs you (again) ... Cook's giving every impression of avoiding the strike. Not the sort of thing you'd want from an opener I'd have thought.
Anyway, I reckon Michael Vaughan has just nailed it - target notwithstanding, England need to take this on a session-by-session basis and try and avoid doing anything boneheaded. The weather sure as hell isn't going to save them.
I honestly didn't think it could get any worse, we could lose this game tonight if we're not carefulI'm wondering if Plunkett might not be the next man in, in the hope that he'll repeat his performance in the first innings ... time for Root and Cook to dig in and occupy the crease a la Boycott/Tavare (which in turn would cause those few MCC members still awake to nod off ;) )
Well, Jimmy did have a trick up his sleeve to deprive the Indian bowler of his 8th wicket - he got himself run out!Not quite what I had in mind ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28612034Good - maybe they'll rest Stuart Broad and give his knee time to sort itself out.
Looks like Anderson will be bowling at Old Trafford then.
that must be the 3rd time in this game alone that I've heard Boyks come out with that storyIt's not every day someone gets their face remodelled by a lifter ... don't think Gatt was wearing a helmet, though.
I see Cook has finally scored a few runs. Not seen any of it, but from what I've read, he was dropped about eight hundred times....He's been on a bit of a roll - he was unlucky not to get a ton in the Third Test, although his efforts were somewhat outshone by those of Messrs. Ballance and Bell on that particular occasion.
He's been on a bit of a roll - he was unlucky not to get a ton in the Third Test
I see Cook has finally scored a few runs. Not seen any of it, but from what I've read, he was dropped about eight hundred times.Of course 800 is well short of the Test record (1156, CB Smith in 1807 ),
Bat on. If we lose. India square the series. There's no such thing as a result in the bag in Test cricket, especially at the end of the second day - and especially if it involves England.Lo, the voice of reason ;)
It shows how far India have slipped that when the television shows a procession of Indian wickets, one after another, that you have to concentrate hard to work out whether you're watching highlights or live footage...
I would not have been happy if I'd forked out the sort of money they charge for a ticket only to be presented with that pile of crap.The IPL.
How could India possibly be that bad? What's going on?
but look at the figures after the great and wise bearded one had gone
IMHO bloody dismal, if we get any further in this tournament it's fixed..
I think that's a bit harsh on the organisers. The minnows have to beat a "non-minnow" to progress - same as in most formats! (If they had a "minnows-only" group, then winning it would be meaningless).
So, it might as well be fixed and the three minnows in each pool not bother turning up. Having said that the fourth place in pool B is likely to be a closer contest.
Never mind! Well done, West Indies. That's proper Test cricket!
Botham blah blah blah Headingley blah rekindles Ashes blah walks on blah. Personally I think Bob Wilis' 8-43 had quite a lot to do with it :demon:
Botham blah blah blah Headingley blah rekindles Ashes blah walks on blah. Personally I think Bob Wilis' 8-43 had quite a lot to do with it :demon:
It's a draw.Wish I'd posted earlier, but care to give me odds on that?!?
Never mind his wickets - that's a parochial English record. Anderson needs only another 31 test runs to become the player to take the longest time to reach 1000 runs in test cricket. Ever. From any country.Statt-ooh! Statt-oooh! /fantasyfootballleague
It's a draw.
In other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh4iF_Si_2E
An excellent partnership - which they may well come to regret prolonging. A great match for the spectators, who have been deprived of Stokes, Wood and Root. Wood, of course, has been too busy thinking up stupid remarks to rile the Australians.
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P7090179.jpg)
Just catching the highlights. Shane Watson's expression when given out lbw (again) is hilarious. And he reviewed it again.
It's been a very exciting Test Match, though that doesn't necessarily make either team particularly good. And Root saying we can win this was just asking to get a duck. What worries me is that I can't see Australia losing a single wicket in the Ashes series, not if we bowl the way we did on the second morning.
It's all gone quiet in here...
Jaded, any chance of you getting yourself to Lords as the forum lucky charm?
Carnage today.
Anyone remember the Edgbaston test when the surface was so green that Curtly Ambrose's first ball pitched on a length and bounced over the keeper's head for four?
4 down now! Need to get Warner out though...
I wonder whether the swing from England being brilliant to being awful (and vice-versa with the Aussies) will continue.I hope so - it will mean a 3-2 home win, I believe!
121 to win? They'd better do it! I mean, if a T20 team can get that total in less than, errr, 20 overs, then surelyI still remember 1981. In fact, I'll never forget those test.
they can get 121 in 2 and a half days? :-\
I wonder whether the swing from England being brilliant to being awful (and vice-versa with the Aussies) will continue.I hope so - it will mean a 3-2 home win, I believe!
(the pundits seem to be attributing these results mainly to bad performances by various players, rather than exceptional "execution" - as they say - by any player/team. Whatevs ... )
I don't know why but I'm more surprised by the Aussies being inconsistent.
I think I read somewhere yesterday (the beeb live coverage?) that England are now 'officially' the most inconsistent test side. That's better than being crap I guess!
... and play on the 5th day.I think I read somewhere yesterday (the beeb live coverage?) that England are now 'officially' the most inconsistent test side. That's better than being crap I guess!
WLWLWLW in their last seven tests. First time ever, apparently. Not long ago there used be draws in test cricket.
... and play on the 5th day.I think I read somewhere yesterday (the beeb live coverage?) that England are now 'officially' the most inconsistent test side. That's better than being crap I guess!
WLWLWLW in their last seven tests. First time ever, apparently. Not long ago there used be draws in test cricket.
[top stat that, BTW Sal]
Is it true that Clarke’s bat is due to be sponsored by Imodium, because it hasn’t seen an outbreak of runs for quite a while now?
https://twitter.com/rameshsrivats/status/629260282594877440 ;D
:o
I was in a meeting!
I miss the old days, when you could switch on the cricket, go out for a ride, come back and sit down and nowt much had changed.
Mind you, England and batting collapses are close friends. Let's hope they're not re-acquainted for the rest of the series.
Don't forget the second innings.Mind you, England and batting collapses are close friends. Let's hope they're not re-acquainted for the rest of the series.
They could collapse for a 150. That's a useful 90 run lead!
RootRootRootRoot...
RootRootRootRoot... :thumbsup::D
SMHerald "Australia came into the Trent Bridge Test needing to make history, as the first team in almost 80 years to overturn a 1:2 Ashes deficit. Within one session they made history for a contrasting reason: crumbling for 60 in what became the shortest first innings of a match in Test history."
Popped out and did a bit of gardening and missed a whole bloody innings!:jurek:
Of the 114 balls bowled by England only eight were on the stumps. Would've done better if they left them all
I missed actually watching it but from the press coverage it doesn't sound as cool as Devon Malcolm's demolishment of South Africa back in the 90s where it was ferocious bowling rather than crap batting that was on display. That I did watch and it was awesome.
Shame Malcolm couldn't summon that ire up more often really.
Not that it's any less satisfying overall ;D ;D ;D
I missed actually watching it but from the press coverage it doesn't sound as cool as Devon Malcolm's demolishment of South Africa back in the 90s where it was ferocious bowling rather than crap batting that was on display. That I did watch and it was awesome.
Shame Malcolm couldn't summon that ire up more often really.
Not that it's any less satisfying overall ;D ;D ;D
That's probably the most exciting sporting performance I've ever seen (on telly). Didn't he tell the Saffers they were history?
Don't forget we just saw a bowling performance from Broad that will be referenced by commentators for the rest of cricketing history.
Possibly apocryphal, but I heard on the Toady Prog this am that there was a chap who bought tickets for all 5 days and ended up not going yesterday.I heard that too. One of the producers.
Job done!
Michael Clarke was outstanding in his interview after the defeat. It's a great shame for him, but a great result for England.
Broad made an interesting comment in his post-match interview, that he now judges his bowling performance not on wickets, but on how consistently he's bowled.
Seems fair enough - they're not going for the Hollywood balls, just trying to create pressure. This came through on the TMS commentary (less so on the highlights show), as Broad went wicketless early in the series, but was bowling well. It all happened for him on the first morning at Trentbridge.
My only disappointment of the day is that I can't find any video of Mark Wood riding his imaginary horse around the boundary. C5 didn't see fit to include it in the highlights (there was a lot of Mark Nicholas, Michael Slater, Michael Vaughan and Geoffrey Boycott, and I'd struggle to think of four more tedious cricket commentators - Boycs occasionally excepted).
Flat pitch suited the Aussie
I always thought Mike Hendrick was a much better bowler, for example, than Ian Botham. Always nagging and niggardly, batsmen could never score lots of runs off him and consequently they didn't usually try.
It's been horribly humid in south London both yesterday and today. How come the ball isn't swinging like a dogger?It is because they use a ball named "Duke" - far too classy for a simile like that.
For Basil:
http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9987761/glenn-maxwell-says-super-catch-against-england-should-not-count
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England v Pakistan in the middle-east somewhere. Must be a pudding pitch but some excellent scores on both sides.
I don't know the circumstances, really but whom would they fine? I think the game is being played there because it's deemed unsafe to play in Pakistan. So who is responsible for preparing the pitch? ICC can hardly fine Abu Dhabi, or they are likely to end up being bought out!A Fine. A Bribe. Same end result!
Well played England. Great team performance. Outplayed us in all departments.
Well played England. Great team performance. Outplayed us in all departments.
Good grief that's some scoring!
Most runs in a pre-lunch Test session by a single batsman (130 by Stokes)
England's highest Test partnership for the sixth-wicket
The partnership has the highest run rate of any in Tests over 250 runs
First England century at Newlands since 1965
The highest score for an England batsman at Newlands, beating Jack Hobbs' 187 in 1910
The highest score by an England number six. The previous best was Graeme Hick's 178 against India in Mumbai in 1986.
The last England player to score 100 runs in a session before lunch was Ian Bell, against Bangladesh at Chester-le-Street in 2005
I can't see England needing to bat again.
I can't see England needing to bat again.
No, neither can I, but there is so much time left that they might as well make hay, which they did.
Apparently Stokes' dismissal was rather lame. He hit another skyer which was going straight to a not-too-distant fielder. Stokes was waiting at mid-wicket to see if he would catch it. The fielder dropped it but Stokes was too far out of his ground and was run out.
He's now reached 1009 not out (out of 1442 for 3). From 323 balls, with 59 sixes and 127 fours,I bet the three who scored less than 440 between them feel small now.
"The decision was made 2 weeks ago not over the last couple of days. It just so happened I got 200 runs, but it has been coming."
Whoa!
I'm guessing it's to make way for De Villiers, who was making noises about retiring.
It was a decent match in the end, only day three was dull (and the Indian lad scoring 1000 livened that day a bit).
Does anyone else like to score each session using boxing’s ’10 point must’ system?
Meanwhile: Ben Stokes has scored 368 runs from 334 balls in this series. That's just preposterous.
I've just come back and the buggers are all out :o
Of course, in years to come, they'll be hinting that Broad was on drugs.
James Taylor's two catches were staggering, especially the second:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQHYfkBnBVs
I think we are witnessing the start of one of the really great test bowling careers.
Well done, South Africa! I think we are witnessing the start of one of the really great test bowling careers. South Africa should always play their first match at this ground then the visitors will have to try and level a series. England are developing a habit of winning a series early, then losing the last game. They are still a very frustrating side to follow. But again, well done South Africa. (Hope there is no betting stuff coming out in years to come.....!)
All those runs and still only a draw.
I wonder if it was a case of overconfidence, or even arrogance on a placid wicket? Was it at Headingley? That's usually a result wicket, isn't it?
I wonder if it was a case of overconfidence, or even arrogance on a placid wicket? Was it at Headingley? That's usually a result wicket, isn't it?
Yorkshire 593-9 dec and Hampshire 39 -2 so far.
Looks like Yorkshire are starting this season where they left off last year :)
Cricket probably has more folklore and behind-the-scenes interest than any other game - not surprisingly, I suppose, given that the players spend days and weeks in each other's company. Sometimes there are some unexpected gems that emerge, and the following article, I feel, is one of them.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/31/alastair-cook-james-anderson-england-the-spin
And Durham look as if their march to their correct place as County Champions is going well at Taunton*, though I expect the authorities might have a word with Somerset about the pitch - 35 wickets in two days!
*ETA - or possibly not!
Sorry, Wow, I think you might want to pay more attention ...
Quite a few records in that match!
Last 8 wkts went for 34 runs - fair old collapse that.
I'll bet there's a measurable noise when a ball passes a bat so close, without touching, and the air does something odd.
I've not been able to actually see any of this series. Obviously India are the world's no. 1 team at the moment but do their spinners really move the ball? I expect "yes". And "we" (our motley crew of South Africans and New Zealanders) tend not to play genuine spin too well because we never see it at county level because we only have slow bowlers rather than spinners, since the retirement of Graeme Swann, who really could move the ball. That said, this has all been a bit pathetic, hasn't it?
ICC Captain of the year (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38401663)
I just half heard on the news that live cricket will be shown on BBC for the first time in 21 years. :D
Well, a few domestic and international 20 20 matches only.
I didn't hear when this will be.
Blimey! The last 5 Middx wickets fell for next to nothing and Essex have opened a buffer between them and the second county (all the other matches were rain-affected draws).
It's a bit like 1979 all over again!
Blimey! The last 5 Middx wickets fell for next to nothing and Essex have opened a buffer between them and the second county (all the other matches were rain-affected draws).
It's a bit like 1979 all over again!
You can watch highlights here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfbWpYkZbis) You don't often see 9 fielders around the batsman these days!
Rooooooot!!
Was it Botham or Willis?
We chatted about that match yesterday as amongst the displays in the Lords Museum is a signed wagon wheel of Botham's 147 Not Out. :thumbsup:
Edit. Botham had great bowling figures in the 1st innings, Willis in the 2nd.
I knew it was Edgbaston. I was playing cricket* that afternoon - it was only a short time after test cricket was played on a Sunday.
I'm afraid that my colleagues and I were not so professional. During the Old Trafford test, whilst Willis was on the rampage, the caretaker "did the rounds" and drew it to cricket-oriented staff members' attention that Aussie wickets were falling fast. I merely abandoned my class and went to watch. There were no repercussions: that school was closing/merging with another at the end of the term and I had already found another job in a school down the road.
That's a great catch by de Kock. Particularly as he seemed to be wrong footed to start with.
I think it needs a Follow-on and a second skittling.
It might only be one wicket...
I understand that it wasn't. Quite amusing though, but I have my misgivings about that sort of practical joke on air. There are bound to be lots of listeners who go away thinking that it was genuine.
The current bunch of schoolboys are a far cry from the 1984 team.
The current bunch of schoolboys are a far cry from the 1984 team.
Erm...
Meanwhile, in the County Championship:
From a pre-season guide: (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/06/county-championship-team-by-team-guide-2017)
Essex: "they look a decent bet to consolidate their top-flight status despite being favourites with the bookies for the drop"
Lancashire: "Prediction - 8th" (i.e. bottom)
Next week the two meet at OT in a top-of-the-table clash
Essex are County Champions! It's a bit like old times...
Bore played an important role in the remarkable climax to the 1984 County Championship, which saw Essex and Nottinghamshire neck and neck at the top of the table. Essex had won their final game against Lancashire in two days, but if Nottinghamshire could beat Somerset the title would belong to Trent Bridge. Nottinghamshire were set 297 in 60 overs by Ian Botham, and needed 36 from the last three overs. The last pair were at the wicket, with one of them being the archetypal non batsman, Bore. Clive Rice and Bore recalled the game in 2006 for Cricinfo.
Rice: If you knew Mike, then believe me, every run he made was an unexpected bonus. I wasn't daring even to watch. No one was allowed to move inside the dressing room. Everyone stayed in their seats as we got closer and closer.
Mike Bore: If it was pitched on the off stump, I thought, I'll hit it straight. If it's on my legs, I'll sweep it.
Remarkably, Bore found the middle of the bat time and again, and when the last over started, another 14 runs were needed. Stephen Booth bowled the first ball of the season's last over and Bore scored a boundary. The second ball went to the ropes again, and the third went for two runs. Nottinghamshire needed four more runs from three balls to complete a remarkable win. Bore blocked the fourth ball and Andy Pick, Nottinghamshire's number 11, walked down the pitch to ask "What did you do that for?" "It wasn't in the right place." Bore replied. The next delivery saw Bore launch a blow towards the stands. The crowd and the entire Nottingham team were on their feet and Bore thought, as soon as he'd hit it, "That's it, we've won". However Somerset's Richard Ollis ran in and caught the ball above his head, just ten feet from the boundary. Nottinghamshire had lost by three runs and Bore's innings had been in vain. As Bore related in an interview with Simon Lister "We were stunned. We got in the car and I don't think we spoke a word until we were well past Gloucester. No matter how many times I lie in bed and replay that ball I never score those four runs".
No bears in Warwickshire, either; or Tigers in Leicestershire, or Hull.... the list goes on!
Essex establish a big first innings lead over Yorks in a low-scoring game. Not at the end of day 2 yet, and Essex have lost two 2nd innings wickets cheaply.
I have a big problem with county cricket these days: I don't know who anyone is! The last time Essex did anything was 25 years ago and everything has changed since then. I don't even know if anyone televises county cricket any more. One-day matches used to get a lot of publicity: B & H and Gillette Cups, as well as the John Player League, were all on BBC, and even the occasional 3-day county match was covered. Now, of course, good quality cameras are everywhere, but finding the matches is quite hard.
Is there anyone on here who follows county cricket any more? Or is it just me that has lost the ability to find out what is going on? Even the Grauniad doesn't seem to have the scorecards published anywhere.
What the ECB says
"Each remains on full pay pending further ECB investigation and the ongoing police investigation into an incident in Bristol in the early hours of Monday 25 September," said the ECB in a statement.
"Andrew Strauss, director of England Cricket, will today refer the internal disciplinary procedure for these two players to the Cricket Discipline Commission, chaired by Tim O'Gorman.
"These decisions, fully supported by ECB chairman Colin Graves, were made following the release of footage viewed by ECB for the first time on Wednesday."
The highlights will be free on BTSport.com (and BT SPort App) each evening from 7pm.Any daily highlights on terrestrial TV/anywhere?All on BT Sport it seems. So TMS, and YT pickings then
An acceptable first day I thought. Only watched the first five overs and listened to a little this morning but it's not a bad start.
Heading into this series, England had three weak links in their batting department and they all left their mark. Mark Stoneman and James Vince played really well to prove their mettle while Dawid Malan after a nervy beginning has also shown his class. The morning session tomorrow will be very crucial and both teams will be eager to seize the initiative. Tomorrow there is an early start. Do join us at 0930 local time (2330 GMT previous day) for all the action. Cheers!
I mean the coverage is OK but there's a lot of chatting in the commentary box that has nothing to do with what's actually happening on the field.
This reminds me of when I was a kid - hiding a wireless under the covers listening to the cricket when my mother had specifically told me to go to sleep :P
I have placed (perhaps rather foolishly) a two pound bet on England to win the Ashes. Unsurpisingly, the odds weren't too bad :P
under lights
or
under lights
we'll lose by less than 300 :P
Thing is though.......I loved the feeling of having a dream for those few hours - can they do it? Everybody's talking about it [well in my circles they were!] Dream on baby. Something out of the ordinary, something different, something almost impossible that was, all of a sudden, maybe just possible, and if it happens, imagine what it would be like to indulge in a different realm for just a few hours/days to brighten up the routine of a day that was most probably just the same as yesterday for most people.Well put sir!
As you were :-)
What time (GMT) did play begin? I'm guessing 3am. Would that be right?
Can't help feeling we'll be waking up to early wickets having fallen, but you never know...
Can't help feeling we'll be waking up to early wickets having fallen, but you never know...
Swan is an utter bellend too. TMS has gone downhill I'm afraid.
I actually like Swann - especially when he and Alison have a bit of flirtatious banter....
After England lost the toss, I’m tempted to put a bet on Aus scoring 600+ and winning by an innings.Well, if they'd been 2 separate bets, you could rip one slip up this morning.
Quite a dead rubber...No need to rub it in cobber :hand:
Oh, this match's result counts for bragging rights but the overall counts for more.
Three more good sessions.They're doing alright, aren't they?
Three more good sessions.
Self-interest was turned upside down and inside out during Thursday's fluctuations at the MCG. It had been this kind of Test match since Boxing Day. This event has been staged on a platform, more a false floor than a pitch, that has minimised and perhaps even nullified the home team's advantages, while preserving Australian curators' reputation for bloody-minded independence. If this was pitch doctoring, it was the kind of medicine that is, after all, becoming legal in Victoria. Here, groundsmen do what they do, national self-interest be damned.smh (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/ashes-201718-selfinterest-turned-upside-down-and-inside-out-on-fluctuating-day-20171228-h0b3ij.html)
Awww. Just because Australia is suffering from the same loss of key players and there’s a faint possiblbity they might not get 5-0...Three more good sessions.
Always good to see the English team perform well when it really counts.
The series is won. The job is done. Anything else is just a bonus.
Aus press moaning about the MCG pitch...QuoteSelf-interest was turned upside down and inside out during Thursday's fluctuations at the MCG. It had been this kind of Test match since Boxing Day. This event has been staged on a platform, more a false floor than a pitch, that has minimised and perhaps even nullified the home team's advantages, while preserving Australian curators' reputation for bloody-minded independence. If this was pitch doctoring, it was the kind of medicine that is, after all, becoming legal in Victoria. Here, groundsmen do what they do, national self-interest be damned.smh (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/ashes-201718-selfinterest-turned-upside-down-and-inside-out-on-fluctuating-day-20171228-h0b3ij.html)
Alastair Cook is the first England opener to carry his bat since Michael Atherton at Christchurch in 1997
He is the first opener to carry his bat in an Ashes Test since Geoffrey Boycott at Perth in 1979
He is the first opener to carry his bat in a Test at the MCG
His 244 not out is the highest score by an opener carrying his bat, beating New Zealander Glenn Turner's unbeaten 223 in 1972
Could have been worse, at 27 for 9.......
Oh those poor petals of Australian cricket ;D.
"Sandpaper in the old jockstrap - tricky place to keep it oooh!";D
I wonder how sandpaper sales are going in Oz at the moment; they lost at rugger, soccer and cricket on the same day, yesterday. That won't happen very often. But they'll be back - and guess who'll cop for it? We always do!
Astonishing game in Division 2: Durham (Oceania, South Africa, USA) beat Derbyshire (South Africa, Oveania) by about 100 runs, having been behind by 100 on the first innings. More amazingly, Extras (71) was second top scorer for Durham in the second innings. Overseas cricket is alive and well - and over here! Necotiations should be underway to offer Extras a contract.
A whitewash and a thrilling finish...
... yet the football season starts today........ .
... yet the football season starts today........ .
It started yesterday. Reading lost to Derby.
Got a ticket for next Saturday at Lord's, really looking forward to it.
Re 35th over tail end action - not often we get a chance to see Shami leather it......I’ll get my coat.
The BBC's webby SCIENCE appears to be borked, because the scorecard's one wicket and nearly a hundred runs behind where it should be at the time of posting... :facepalm:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/43873929
If anyone tries to say that no one follows Test cricket then we should just show them how many tweets we've received since our scorecard broke. Again, we know and some guys in a dark room are trying to fix it.
Stokes and Hales now face ECB independent disciplinary committee, likely to face charges of bringing the game into disrepute. Might take a few days, up to a week to convene.
Stokes not guilty. Wonder if he'll be back in the squad for the 3rd test.
I have to say that the impression I gained from the way the trial was presented on television was that he's pretty fortunate to have been found not guilty.
One question, at the centre of this whole saga was the gay couple the various accused allegedly passed derogatory remarks to. Yet I got the impression they never gave evidence in the trial for either prosecution or defence? Or did I miss that bit?
He told the court that he had intervened after hearing homophobic abuse directed at two young men, Kai Barry and William O’Connor. They were not called to give evidence.
Mr Barry, 27, told ITV News in an interview broadcast yesterday: “When I realised who he [Mr Stokes] was, I thought fair play, because he’s obviously put his career at risk for someone that he never knew.”
He was charged with affray, and going on the basis of the video, I don't think it was surprising he was found not guilty.I have to say that the impression I gained from the way the trial was presented on television was that he's pretty fortunate to have been found not guilty.I think when the prosecution ask at the beginning of the trial for a lesser charge to be considered, that’s quite a big flag about the case.
QuoteHe told the court that he had intervened after hearing homophobic abuse directed at two young men, Kai Barry and William O’Connor. They were not called to give evidence.
Mr Barry, 27, told ITV News in an interview broadcast yesterday: “When I realised who he [Mr Stokes] was, I thought fair play, because he’s obviously put his career at risk for someone that he never knew.”
Stokes in for Curran.
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.Found innocent, forever guilty?
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.Found innocent, forever guilty?
No.
Edit: This was in response to Mattc's post, not Jaded's.
... Only Gordon Greenidge and Desmond Haynes (6,482) and Justin Langer and Matthew Hayden (5,655) scored more runs than Cook and Strauss’s 4,711, even if their average of 40.96 is some way down the list behind the top mark of 87.81 averaged by Jack Hobbs and Herbert Sutcliffe.
That Cook is now battling so much is instructive. It may just be that he is gently sliding down the other side of his career mountain and the end is nigh or that opening in Tests is harder because of the conditions — or a combination of both. ...
My preferred batting order at the moment would be:
Opener 1 (Cook but not for much longer unless he finds form again)
...
The conundrum is in the fact that allt countries play limited overs cricket, yet many still manage to beat England in Test Matches!Apart from the No1 side in the world. We're doing alright against them - despite our inadequacies! :smug:
In which case you’ll probably see Cook's last walk off a test cricket field.
That alone will be worth the history.
In which case you’ll probably see Cook's last walk off a test cricket field.
That alone will be worth the history.
From the progress of the game today, provided England bat properly tomorrow I should see some of the 3rd innings and possibly the whole of the 4th.
Roooooooooot.
Some bright spark on the Graun’s website has just pointed out that in the equivalent fixture 40 years ago, India were chasing 468 in the last innings. From memory, Sunil Gavaskar scored 221, Vengsarkar 100 and at the start of the final over, all four results were still possible. It ended as a draw. (Goes off the check Cricinfo...).
166 after tea would be exciting...
Cricket World Cup 2019 ticket ballot is open until 29th August:-
https://tickets.cricketworldcup.com/accountRegister.html
Going in for the opening England game against SA at the Oval, the Final (why not) and two cheap weekend matches at the Oval (SA v Bangladesh and Sri Lanka v Australia).
I wonder how long lived BBC's online "The Cricket Social" will be...
I wonder how long lived BBC's online "The Cricket Social" will be...
Credit where it's due: Root seems to have settled effortlessly into the role of non-playing captain.
Credit where it's due: Root seems to have settled effortlessly into the role of non-playing captain.
Very good, Peter. (Unfortunately)
Really wish there was a reasonable way of watching this over here....
Aggers on the Today programme this morning, put it down to them accepting they had lost, not wishing to give away any more wickets. (Or let England get any more). It seems there is some sort of cricketing version of goal difference which may be important later.
This I don't understand, the NRR has nothing to do with wickets unless you lose them all, but India didn't look like doing that.
I think TalkSport is still doing commentary for the test matches, rather than BBC(?)
Emphatic :thumbsup: ;D
Just seen the replay of the Smith run out by JB. Nutmeg. :o
The match will be shown free to air on Channel 4 as Sky have given up their exclusivity.
I think I read that C4 will be showing World Cup highlights and they will be available on All4 or More4 or whatever it is called.
Can someone explain the tie breaker.it’s like limited over cricket, but for one over only. Only one bowler to deliver all 6 balls and the batting side has three batsmen, so loss of second wicket finishes your go. Best it in typical cricketing language, the team that bats second bats first. 😁
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Bugger. I missed all of that. I thought England had lost, so I switched off.
The only proper way to settle it, after the match was tied on the first innings, would have been to play the second innings under Timeless Test conditions.
The only proper way to settle it, after the match was tied on the first innings, would have been to play the second innings under Timeless Test conditions.
Nah... Rock, Paper, Scissors, best of five. :demon:
Bugger. I missed all of that. I thought England had lost, so I switched off.
Bugger. I missed all of that. I thought England had lost, so I switched off.
What a silly mistake. I don’t do cricket but that was an incredible listen.
Or play a tennis tiebreaker (with Djokovic and Federer having to play a one-over single wicket competition when it got to 12-all in the fifth set).The only proper way to settle it, after the match was tied on the first innings, would have been to play the second innings under Timeless Test conditions.
Nah... Rock, Paper, Scissors, best of five. :demon:
Or "Pick the winner of tomorrow's Tour stage" ;D
It is known that the rules/laws of a game/sport cannot anticipate every possible eventuality. That is why people pass examinations in order to show that they are capable of applying those laws and, where curiosities occur outwith those laws, can make reasoned judgements in the face of that. It seems to me that that was what happened yesterday.
I think it's a bit unfair to denigrate all of Australian cricket because of what Trevor Chappell was instructed to do by his captain in 1981. It's worth noting that the doyen of cricket commentators made his views very clear about that incident in his commentary and summing up, and he too was an Australian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGHScrCxF6Y
Quite a good start atEdgbastonBalsall Heath today.
Quite a good start at Edgbaston today.
Posted at 14:36TMS
The Aussies aren't happy with the ball. (I can see you sniggering).
They think it has gone out of shape but the umpires check it fits through their metal rings and, when it does, toss it back to them.
Starting fresh today, he scored 8, Stokes sbout 2, etc.
England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
And if that doesn't work then bowl a foot outside off stump to off-side fields and stop him scoring runs. It's boring, but they have 5 days, and if they take the other 10 wickets and he gets 50*, that's fine.England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
They need to do a few things.
Off the top of my head I can think of:-
* Not lose their main pace/swing bowler after 4 overs
* Stop thinking it's impossible to begin with
* Stop listening to the media who keep saying it's impossible
* Stop thinking we have to do something amazing to get him out (a la Kane Williamson in the CWC).
Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
And if that doesn't work then bowl a foot outside off stump to off-side fields and stop him scoring runs. It's boring, but they have 5 days, and if they take the other 10 wickets and he gets 50*, that's fine.England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
They need to do a few things.
Off the top of my head I can think of:-
* Not lose their main pace/swing bowler after 4 overs
* Stop thinking it's impossible to begin with
* Stop listening to the media who keep saying it's impossible
* Stop thinking we have to do something amazing to get him out (a la Kane Williamson in the CWC).
Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
Whatever they say, they've allowed winning the world cup to give them illusions of grandeur that they plainly don't merit. The world cup was won with the narrowest conceivable margin and was aided by bucket-loads of luck and possibly an umpire error that turned the outcome (6 overthrows rather than 5).
Talk about down to earth with a bump. They look fragile from top to bottom without exception, and I get the sense that Australia are only firing on 3 cylinders at the moment.
Whatever they say, they've allowed winning the world cup to give them illusions of grandeur that they plainly don't merit. The world cup was won with the narrowest conceivable margin and was aided by bucket-loads of luck and possibly an umpire error that turned the outcome (6 overthrows rather than 5).
Talk about down to earth with a bump. They look fragile from top to bottom without exception, and I get the sense that Australia are only firing on 3 cylinders at the moment.
I heard some discussion on TMS of the WC 'overthrows' saying the the law should be amended to 'if the ball is still active' the run counts, not was it thrown before the batsmen crossed. This since the laws of cricket are relevant to the village green, where there would realistically be no way, to pick the bones of this particular freak occurence. In any event in cricket the umpires have been know to get stuff wrong. Tiny margin though yes.
Not losing would be a good start. ;)And if that doesn't work then bowl a foot outside off stump to off-side fields and stop him scoring runs. It's boring, but they have 5 days, and if they take the other 10 wickets and he gets 50*, that's fine.England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
They need to do a few things.
Off the top of my head I can think of:-
* Not lose their main pace/swing bowler after 4 overs
* Stop thinking it's impossible to begin with
* Stop listening to the media who keep saying it's impossible
* Stop thinking we have to do something amazing to get him out (a la Kane Williamson in the CWC).
Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
Problem with that is, all he has to do is stand there, do nothing and watch the bowlers knacker themselves out.
England will need to try and win a game at some point. Which I'm sure they will :)
I'm irrationally angry about this! They've let the public (who pay their wages) down by making stupid decisions. Fine them!Flippin 'eck! Peter is ranting, and I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread - is this the beginning of The End Times for English* Sport??
I'm irrationally angry about this! They've let the public (who pay their wages) down by making stupid decisions. Fine them!Flippin 'eck! Peter is ranting, and I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread - is this the beginning of The End Times for English* Sport??
I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread
Well you did use the word "wankery" - that isn't your usual restrained self.I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread
I'm not angry at all.
Cricket, like most sport watched, is entertainment.
I'd only be angry if it was my own involvement that was causing problems.
Well you did use the word "wankery" - that isn't your usual restrained self.
Anyway, more fucknuggetry from the majority of England's top order.To be fair, it's England who picked them for white ball stuff and stopped them playing for their counties.
I think the vast majority of them need to play less white ball cricket, but there's far more £££ in that than test cricket.
Apologies, didn't mean to misrepresent you. I shall work on my diligence ...Well you did use the word "wankery" - that isn't your usual restrained self.
Who was it directed at? Hint: Not the England cricketers.
Anyway, more fucknuggetry from the majority of England's top order.That's better!
The cretins who were booing Smith as he came back on yesterday should have been ejected from the ground by stewards as far as I'm concerned. They clearly know nothing about cricket, bravery, or much about anything for that matter. And at Lords of all places.:(
And the Aussies only have to win one (or draw two) to retain the Ashes.Smith was a 1-man army. The other 21 players have been pretty ropey (with the odd promise of brilliance).
Smith out for Headingley though, not sure who they are likely to pull in to replace him.
Slightly shocked Essex won. In two van journeys today totaling around 90 minutes must have heard at least 10 wickets fall.
And the Aussies only have to win one (or draw two) to retain the Ashes.Smith was a 1-man army. The other 21 players have been pretty ropey (with the odd promise of brilliance).
Smith out for Headingley though, not sure who they are likely to pull in to replace him.
His (very sad) withdrawal has given England a massive lifeline. I'm still not betting on them, but it has got interesting now!
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?
2 down already.
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?I also have a ticket for the first day at the Oval, as insurance. Odds on rain?
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?
You'd get quite long odds on it being done in 3 days.
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?
You'd get quite long odds on it being done in 3 days.
OK. Who was it that said we all need to play like Archer?
Archer 45-6
England 45-6...
On a different tack, much as I'm amused by Geoff Boycott (I was once having physio in the same cubicle but that's another story) and generally think he speaks sense (he agrees with my first-mentioned sentiment) I must argue against his continued assertion that Root is England's best player and so should bat at number 4. If he's England's best player, it's from a very poor bunch and he's nowhere near as good as Stokes to the team. And even Stokes threw his wicket away. Root is sadly back to his non-playing captain role.
Yup. Or even put us in for the half-hour before close.And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?
You'd get quite long odds on it being done in 3 days.
Oh, I’m not so sure...
Aus bat for the rest of the day then put us in tomorrow. All over by lunch.
This may well be the best thing that's happened to English Test cricket for years, win or lose. It's time for a bloody clear out of the organisation and attitudes. On a different tack, much as I'm amused by Geoff Boycott (I was once having physio in the same cubicle but that's another story) and generally think he speaks sense (he agrees with my first-mentioned sentiment) I must argue against his continued assertion that Root is England's best player and so should bat at number 4. If he's England's best player, it's from a very poor bunch and he's nowhere near as good as Stokes to the team. And even Stokes threw his wicket away. Root is sadly back to his non-playing captain role.
I'm usually wrong, so am looking forward to Root's double hundred tomorrow!
Any Australia fan want to buy a ticket?Strewth!
Looks like I'll be tuning in tomorrow again now.
No other game can stretch out the agony like cricket.
It's the hope that keeps us coming back for more :-)
Can I cope with listening to this afternoon's session?
Can I cope with listening to this afternoon's session?
Nope....it's the hope I can't cope with! :-\ :facepalm: ;D
and Stokes not given out LBW, but they'd burnt their reviews... ;D
and Stokes not given out LBW, but they'd burnt their reviews... ;D
Just before that, Stokes avoided getting run out by yards because Lyon dropped the ball.
Fortune favours the brave.
Australia got nervous and made mistakes, it’s oart of the wonderful game that cricket is.and Stokes not given out LBW, but they'd burnt their reviews... ;D
Just before that, Stokes avoided getting run out by yards because Lyon dropped the ball.
Fortune favours the brave.
Still hasn't sunk in. That has to be the most remarkable comeback in Test history.
Really? In 1981 it required two escapes, First Bothams century then getting them out cheaply. That said I was sixteen and spent the whole summer watching it waiting for my o'level results so there is a certain amount of nostalgia involved I admit ;D
Stokes finished with 135 not out from 219 balls, with 11 fours and nine sixes. At one stage he was three not out from 73 balls. He played with such intelligence, patience and flexibility. And then, when it was needed, he went nuclear.
In Botham’s Ashes most people forget Willis.
It's the biggest match-winning score for England when they have batted last, but on the all-time list, it's actually only the 10th-ranked winning score, and 42nd in terms of runs scored, regardless of result. :P
Source: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/222199.html
I hugged a few strangers this afternoon.
I've just seen that reverse sweep off Lyon and the ramp shot off Cummins :facepalm: ;DYeah - that was amazing.
I hugged a few strangers this afternoon.
With or without beer?
You won't forget that in a hurry.
Nor will the people who you hugged either :)
What pot luck to buy a ticket for today of all days.
Gratitude is most definitely in order :thumbsup:
It is better than Beefy.David Gower has just confirmed this.
Could it be a tribute to Brian (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deDlab6vFgg) perhaps ? Have the crowd found their one true leader ?
‘Shoes off, if you love Ben Stokes, shoes off, if you love Ben Stokes, shoes off, if you love Ben Stokes, shoes off, if you love Ben Stokes’ and repeat, ad nauseum, to the tune of Go West by the Pet Shop Boys while holding aloft a shoe. Despite a degree of inebriation I seem to have been able to commit the lyrics to memory.
The original was by the Village People in the 70's .... You know YMCA and all that.
Must have heard of them ;)
Still, it is fallible for both sides, I guess.Yes that's the key really. Ball *prediction* can never be perfect; the ball is spinning, and thus swerving* about. Plus often the predicted path is much long than the measured one (e.g. forward defensive to a slow-bowler) so the errors become much larger. People see these beautiful graphics and come to assume the system is 100% accurate.
Here's hoping (yep that hope again) the remaining recognised England batsmen make-like Stokes and take it slow and steady to begin with, then build some big partnerships.
It was going well until it stopped going well.
It's a testament to the significance of Steve Smith that England are "struggling" on 280 - 300, which would often be a pretty useful score.
It was going well until it stopped going well.
That's always England. Bummer when that's in the second over sometimes.
Save the unforgettable, miraculous performance at Headingley, I think the Aussies deserve the Ashes.
But.....it would be so cool, if England could, possibly, save this game, and go to the Oval with all to play for.
It's a huge ask, but it would be so fitting for the end of summer, and for me, there's always a kind of melancholy with the advent of the last test of the summer. F*** football, it can wait.....let cricket play out the natural closing of summer.
Brian Stimpson: It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand.
Save the unforgettable, miraculous performance at Headingley, I thinkthe AussiesSmith deserve the Ashes.
Save the unforgettable, miraculous performance at Headingley, I thinkthe AussiesSmith deserve the Ashes.
FTFY
Everytime I check the score, there's just been a wicket... :-\
Maybe Warks can open for England?
Anybody else think Jofra Archer made a bit of a fool of himself with his staring at Wade?
Yorks v Kent has been a bit one-sided.
Kent have declared twice and set Yorkshire a mere 551 to win. Yorkshire are currently 43-6.
Anybody else think Jofra Archer made a bit of a fool of himself with his staring at Wade?
Nope.
Wade is a gobby chap and had been chirping all day the day before. They're team mates in the BBL, but that all gets forgotten when they're on opposing teams in a test match.
Harmer’s wickets, though, have come at a cost in this match. He -finished with five for 105, having been blunted by Abell and assaulted by Van der Merwe. Sam Cook was more economical, finishing with four for 26 from 19 impeccable overs. And despite Somerset’s total in excess of 200 there is the possibility of an adverse pitch report from the cricket liaison officer due to excessive turn which could lead to a points reduction.
Oops.QuoteHarmer’s wickets, though, have come at a cost in this match. He -finished with five for 105, having been blunted by Abell and assaulted by Van der Merwe. Sam Cook was more economical, finishing with four for 26 from 19 impeccable overs. And despite Somerset’s total in excess of 200 there is the possibility of an adverse pitch report from the cricket liaison officer due to excessive turn which could lead to a points reduction.
From https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2019/sep/24/county-cricket-somerset-v-essex-title-decider-day-two-live
Vic Marks is, of course, a Somerset man. Essex once were deprived of the Championship after a points deduction on a pitch which didn't even belong to the Essex County Cricket Club. It was Southchurch Park, the scene of the biggest bloodbath in the history of fast run-scoring when the 1948 Australians notched up 721 in a single day.
If Somerset have been preparing a pitch especially for their spinners then that's very naughty indeed.
Oops.QuoteHarmer’s wickets, though, have come at a cost in this match. He -finished with five for 105, having been blunted by Abell and assaulted by Van der Merwe. Sam Cook was more economical, finishing with four for 26 from 19 impeccable overs. And despite Somerset’s total in excess of 200 there is the possibility of an adverse pitch report from the cricket liaison officer due to excessive turn which could lead to a points reduction.
From https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2019/sep/24/county-cricket-somerset-v-essex-title-decider-day-two-live
Vic Marks is, of course, a Somerset man. Essex once were deprived of the Championship after a points deduction on a pitch which didn't even belong to the Essex County Cricket Club. It was Southchurch Park, the scene of the biggest bloodbath in the history of fast run-scoring when the 1948 Australians notched up 721 in a single day.
If Somerset have been preparing a pitch especially for their spinners then that's very naughty indeed.
Why exactly? Surely you prepare to your strengths, within the laws of the game.
Nobody told the All Blacks they couldn't have Jonah Lomu because "he was too big and strong" did they?
Oops.QuoteHarmer’s wickets, though, have come at a cost in this match. He -finished with five for 105, having been blunted by Abell and assaulted by Van der Merwe. Sam Cook was more economical, finishing with four for 26 from 19 impeccable overs. And despite Somerset’s total in excess of 200 there is the possibility of an adverse pitch report from the cricket liaison officer due to excessive turn which could lead to a points reduction.
From https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2019/sep/24/county-cricket-somerset-v-essex-title-decider-day-two-live
Vic Marks is, of course, a Somerset man. Essex once were deprived of the Championship after a points deduction on a pitch which didn't even belong to the Essex County Cricket Club. It was Southchurch Park, the scene of the biggest bloodbath in the history of fast run-scoring when the 1948 Australians notched up 721 in a single day.
If Somerset have been preparing a pitch especially for their spinners then that's very naughty indeed.
Why exactly? Surely you prepare to your strengths, within the laws of the game.
Because there are rules/regulations/standards for the pitches teams must provide. That's part of the rules of the game too.
You can prepare a pitch to your strength within the confines of the rules/regulations/standards sure, but if the pitch is deemed too poor in some regard then there are penalties.Nobody told the All Blacks they couldn't have Jonah Lomu because "he was too big and strong" did they?
No, because it wasn't against any of the selection rules.
If England tried to field Jonah Lomu in a subsequent match it would be against various selection rules.
And distinct from a tie when teams end up on the same score at the end of all innings.
A draw is a game which runs out of time. Each side gets 8 points.
I'm reminded of this
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=64826.msg2212225#msg2212225
If you have DAB then coverage is on talksport2 mark nichols, harmie, butcher, batty, gough et al.
;D It took me a few minutes of listening to the BBC thinking 'just stop yakking wilyer and describe the game!', until I remembered talksport...Another Christmas Miracle - Andy has posted without waiting for an England batting collapse. :o Merry Christmas everyone!
You know how tennis players can get fined for not trying? Do South Africa's tail get the same treatment? :) Shame about the rain. :(
Looks like today could be a bit of a nail biter. WI need 160 from 34 overs or England & Wales need 4 wickets. I think the most likely result is an England & Wales win but only marginally over a draw.
That was a very impressive win by England.
Woakes and Butler: superb.
And just imagine, if buttler wasn't such a crap wicket keeper they wouldn't have had to do it
Brilliant stuff, though. It's really good that cricket is so competitive at the moment. My memories of it from childhood are of England being obviously beaten by day 2
Just nattering to my son about the match. His comment:QuoteAnd just imagine, if buttler wasn't such a crap wicket keeper they wouldn't have had to do it
Just nattering to my son about the match. His comment:QuoteAnd just imagine, if buttler wasn't such a crap wicket keeper they wouldn't have had to do it
Just nattering to my son about the match. His comment:QuoteAnd just imagine, if buttler wasn't such a crap wicket keeper they wouldn't have had to do it
If proper wicket keepers were picked, we might not have this problem. Although I'm not sure such a thing exists anymore. The last genuine wicket keeper to play for England was probably Jack Russell...
Just nattering to my son about the match. His comment:QuoteAnd just imagine, if buttler wasn't such a crap wicket keeper they wouldn't have had to do it
If proper wicket keepers were picked, we might not have this problem. Although I'm not sure such a thing exists anymore. The last genuine wicket keeper to play for England was probably Jack Russell...
It's always been 'a problem' - if you can call it a problem.
Going back a bit, it was always a big talking point in my day during the 1970s with Alan Knott - a very fine keeper and a very useful middle order batsman. His 'all round' ability mean that his more than capable peer, Jack Taylor was denied international recognition for some years. Taylor was a fine wicket keeper and very much a purest of then art, and considered to be a notch above Alan Knott behind the stumps.....but Knotty got the nod because his very capable batting ability. Jack Taylor verged on being clueless with the bat......especially in those higher international arenas.
It's always been a balancing act.
The person who's really pushed the the envelope in this regard during modern times is the Australian keeper/batsman Adam Gilchrist. He really raised the bar.
Once you get players that break the mold of being 'only' a wicket keeper it's very difficult to pick somebody along those grounds alone.....even if, on paper, it looks like the right thing to do.
The wicketkeeper was Bob Taylor. Jack Taylor was a referee (world cup final 1974)
and my auntie's butcher in Wolverhampton.
Just nattering to my son about the match. His comment:QuoteAnd just imagine, if buttler wasn't such a crap wicket keeper they wouldn't have had to do it
If proper wicket keepers were picked, we might not have this problem. Although I'm not sure such a thing exists anymore. The last genuine wicket keeper to play for England was probably Jack Russell...
Jos Buttler's not that bad. Better dismissals/ test matches played ratio, than Alan Knott ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_wicket-keepers
The point is that a batsman-bowler gets quiet spells between overs where he can field at fine leg or third man and have a mental and physical rest. The equivalent would be to have two wicketkeepers, one at one end and one at the other.
The point is that a batsman-bowler gets quiet spells between overs where he can field at fine leg or third man and have a mental and physical rest. The equivalent would be to have two wicketkeepers, one at one end and one at the other.
This is one of a Several of reasons why USAnians don’t play cricket. They'd want to change the entire fielding team at the end of every over and have totally separate squads for pace and spin. And the break between overs would be exactly four minutes long, and any batsman who got sledged by Glenn McGrath* would be on the phone to his attorney prontissimo, and...
* other loudmouthed denizens of Captain Cook's Mistake are available
Spoiled only by the word "chocolate", which spoils the timing!
yes, bobb, the last one is the one I've always known. Somehow it has the poetry in rhythm and content! And it really pissed off McGrath, which is so important!
yes, bobb, the last one is the one I've always known. Somehow it has the poetry in rhythm and content! And it really pissed off McGrath, which is so important!
Yes, I remember that. It has the same ring as Catty Lennon's jibe about Ringo, "He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles".
Not surprisingly, there are plenty to choose from. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Taylor)
Yes, I remember that. It has the same ring as Catty Lennon's jibe about Ringo, "He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles".
As with so many tales like this, it's almost certainly not true:
Did John Lennon Say 'Ringo Wasn’t Even the Best Drummer in the Beatles'? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-lennon-ringo-best-drummer/)
Yes, I remember that. It has the same ring as Catty Lennon's jibe about Ringo, "He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles".
As with so many tales like this, it's almost certainly not true:
Did John Lennon Say 'Ringo Wasn’t Even the Best Drummer in the Beatles'? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-lennon-ringo-best-drummer/)
Bobb, I'm very relieved by that. I've always thought Ringo a terrific drummer ( I think he is a leftie who plays the kit set up orthodoxly?). And while I'm sure John was capable of such a remark, his voice is my favourite in The Beatles, though I'm of the opinion that The Beatles are a thing, rather than four separate individuals.
Very happy to be relieved of that burden!
That catch by Josh Buttler. :thumbsup:
Derbyshire’s hopes of making the final of the Bob Willis Trophy rested on broken glass after a spectacular collapse at the hands of Lancashire’s young team of talented springer spaniels, all muddy trousers and excited yelps.
Danny Lamb took three wickets on his 25th birthday while George Balderson, only 19, whose fluid run-up would make a ballerina drool, grabbed three more.
Kent may rue their six dropped catches in an afternoon
Force majeur, n'est pas? Covid has pushed everything out of time. Maybe the organisers have made it a five day match to allow for interruptions from the weather to a game that would normally be decided in three days in Somerset's favour?
Yes, he was certainly very special. I often wonder at the steady flow of South Africans into our game: so many from such a small population and almost all very good batsmen. I wonder if it's because, like in Australia, they get so much match practice early because the weather is much kinder for cricket?
ETA I sympathise with the Commentator Blues. I can only add that it's even worse in football. In the cricket if I follow a match on the BBC web-page I'm irritated by the in-non-jokes that they set up by asking the public to contribute to what is usually already a glib and unhelpful commentary. I tend to end up watching the score-card only.
Terrific effort from India to draw the third test against the Australians. And without Virat Kohli, too. Especially good to thwart the much-vaunted fast bowling attack of the Aussies, which managed one wicket only, on the final day. Looking forward to the decider.
The Test against Sri Lanka looked pretty good...
I'd say that was a lucky move! You might have amputated your hand if you'd left it till they'd started. Their opening bowler beginning with 'E' seems to have worked out Sibley and Crawley - in less time than it took to work it out! We need to open with Bess and Leach, I think.
the shortest Test since 1935 - only 140.2 overs were bowled in the entire match
I know it's only a flash in the pan but Sibley and Burns did the job. I don't think England often get to 60-0.Lunch – England 67 for 0
I know it's only a flash in the pan but Sibley and Burns did the job. I don't think England often get to 60-0.Lunch – England 67 for 0
An excellent session for England, the first time since 2011 that their openers have batted through the first session of a home Test.
Seems that the node score in this game is going to be 80 ish (have I got "node" right?) - and that will include dropped catches. I imagine Young was a bit taken aback. Not many batsman are dismissed by a windmill.'Mode' I think.
One lower-echelon rugger team at st. custards during my time there were 121-0 up against $SKOOL. Being an away game, $SKOOL provided the referee who – allegedly – blew the final whistle ten minutes early chiz.
So, a tougher match yesterday, and a bit of rain to add a frisson of peril.
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Jun%2024%202021%20P6240215%201.jpg)
Posted at 21:49
100 for Livingstone
THERE WITH A SIX!
The fastest T20 hundred for England.
Posted at 21:50
WICKET
Livingstone c Shaheen b Shadab 103 (Eng 183-7)
Game over?
16.5 overs
Eng 189-7
David Willey hits the biggest six of the night!
Oh dear.How do you think we're getting on now?
Oh dear.
Nail biter - the scores are level.And we've won by 10 wickets! Hurrah!
Yes, I know, Andy, but I try hard to manage my dreams (a long lifetime of supporting Newcastle!*). I mean we should have won the last test and those incredible Headingley results are only about every forty years! I see Botham has been appointed a trade ambassador to Australia. Tell them to keep the Fosters and send us a couple of spinners (or Les Patterson).In a strange coincidence, I, along with thousands of home fans, watched the Stokes/Leach show on the concourse in the Spurs stadium immediately before Newcastle beat us ! Stadium announcer was pleading with people to leave the bars and goto their seats as the game was starting !
* Since I posted this, Newcastle have just finished their third match of the season. All have been against teams who play in claret and blue (which I really like). All have ended in defeat, even tonight's against Burnley, who aren't even a real team - though it'll please Jimmy Anderson and he deserves it!
There really does seem to be a hex on England openers. And they are getting themselves out. That's twice running for Burns and Hameed, if you count the second day of the 3rd Test - which I do.If they scored 300 each, then got out early on Day 3, YOU would call that a failure!
I knew we could ensure that we drew the series!
Yes, I've seen reports of the backtracking.
Intersting...
Yes, I've seen reports of the backtracking.
Intersting...
The Indian Premier League resumes on the 19th - the players are on huge contracts and it's worth £300 million to the BCCI.
Go figure...
Or not-wicket…. Depends on your view
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/58612346
Or not-wicket…. Depends on your view
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/58612346
There's no other possibility than that that is just a completely wrong decision. Cox (of the blowfish face) caught the ball fairly and inside the rope and before he was barged into by Drummond, who should have been completely irrelevant to the decision-making. The batsman was out - no question. The decision was wrong.
That's a reasonable point J and I accept that I assumed that such a prestigious match (albeit in toytown cricket) would have had TV umpiring, too. Was that not the case? If it was indeed up to the field umpire alone, then I can see the possibility of getting it wrong, though in my ancient mind I've always thought the batsman was given the benefit of the doubt in close cases. Did that tradition disappear with my youth, or was it always a myth?
Went to see some proper cricket today.
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Cricketti.jpg)
Those of us there thought the right decision should have been out, because Cox has the ball in hand before colliding with Bell-Drummand, but it was all considered to be part of the same action in the same way that if you catch the ball then drop it without having control it not considered a catch.
It had no impact on the match and Smeed was caught by Cox 2 balls later.
T20 World Cup: New Zealand's Devon Conway out of final after punching bat
Dear Grauniad,
Apropos your video of Norbert Philip, I was attendant at the B & H final of 1979, with my father (whose 107th birthday would have been today).
At the lunch break, we had a wander around Lords, neither of us having been there before. As we walked behind the pavilion, who should turn up in his primrose yellow 3.5 litre hatchback Rover but Mr. J. M. Brearley, the then England captain. He clearly had business to attend to.
As soon as he emerged from his vehicle, he was surrounded by small boys with pencils and scraps of paper. “Sorry, boys, I’m not signing autographs today. It’s my day off.” With that, he disappeared into a brick outbuilding, which had a sign on the door indicating that it was the Middlesex Club Office.
A short while later, he emerged, and the small boys surrounded him once again. A little more emphatically, but still with courtesy, he sad “No, lads! I am NOT signing autographs today. It’s my day off!”
As he climbed the steps at the back of the pavilion, I didn’t catch what the small boys said, but several hundred people thronged below heard the Great Man’s stentorian response:
“You are rude little buggers! Sod off!”
I remain, Sir (or Madam) your obedient servant,
Plus. The Ashes Tests are on BT. How sad.
Not quite the right place but seeing as Jaded is adjacent post-wise, I wonder if he's aware that the tune usually used for O Little Town Of Bethlehem is known as Forest Green?
Not quite the right place but seeing as Jaded is adjacent post-wise, I wonder if he's aware that the tune usually used for O Little Town Of Bethlehem is known as Forest Green?
I didn't, but I wonder why that is, there is a Forest Green* in Sussex, I think, could be related the that.
*one famous time a coach from a club playing us went there, instead of to here. I think it might have been a supporters coach…
I take grim satisfaction in the possible fact that almost every cricket record in existance has been achieved against England.
As we became 50-over #1 ranked nation by playing 50 over cricket in a similar manner to 20-over cricket - maybe we should extend the same principle to Test cricket. We wouldn't average much less than we are currently doing and the misery would be mercifully reduced to a maximum of 2 days. ;D
As we became 50-over #1 ranked nation by playing 50 over cricket in a similar manner to 20-over cricket - maybe we should extend the same principle to Test cricket. We wouldn't average much less than we are currently doing and the misery would be mercifully reduced to a maximum of 2 days. ;D
Alan Igglesden was once picked as "England's 15th choice seamer", but presumably we can find a 16th choice opening batsman, and a 17th to go in with them.
I've just finished sitting through the entire TMS broadcast on BBC Sounds for the last day of the last test (I couldn't face listening to it overnight), and it cuts off four overs from the end !!
Bastards.
The cricket started very brightly!!
... and went out for a ride when we were looking pretty good for a nail-biting finish at 68-1.Me too!
Well, it's taken a while but we are finally worst of the Test playing nations. I blame Bangladesh for inventing a really stupid game.Harsh.
Oh, I wntelligent career choice.ouldn't stop the men from playing. They need the practice, poor dears. I'd just pay the women more.
Thought I'd get in before Wow notices:- Alistair Cook scored a century today. That's a century in every first class match this season, so far. And he was on 5 for ages - that is the way to bat.
The euphoria over the cricket result remains (mine included). But, now that a few days have elapsed, I feel it may just about be safe to stick one's head over the parapet and reduce future expectations slightly: Kane Williamson, the Kiwis captain, didn't play because of covid, which seems to have affected some of those who did play, within hours of the game finishing. Kane Williamson is the best batsman in the world. It will be interesting to see if England, having won the series, experiment with inexperienced players like the Overton twins. If they do, and Williamson plays, we might expect a tonking, I think. That won't affect the beautiful memories!You're out of date.
Indeed. I have just watched it. Players from both sides all looked a bit incredulous. Never heard of that happening before though something similar must have happened in the past, somewhere.
Simon Harmer took 8 Hampshire wickets in the first innings, and is currently on on 5 in the second. Essex are probably marginal favourites - Hants need 91 to win with 3 wickets left.
The best example was Jonny Bairstow’s innings. He scored 16 runs off 15 balls and played like it was a T20 match. It was dreadful. For the state of the game, it was awful. He had just come from two months of T20 in India straight into a Test match and yet we expected him to think like a Test batsman.Scoring centuries and winning matches isn't test cricket, apparently. More draws needed.
Joe Root is a better Test player for not playing Twenty20. All he trains for is Test cricket. You never see Root play the scoop, ramp, or any fancy shots. He doesn’t need to because he is bloody good at all the orthodox shots.I'd like to think that Joe Root saw this quote, and since then has included a reverse ramp/scoop for 6 in every century.
;D
Yes, really astonishing: Leicestershire score nearly 600, Glamorgan nearly 800 and managed to avoid the obvious accusations of killing the game stone-dead by bowling out the team that scored nearly 600 for only about 200 in only two sessions.
Seem to remember Deano telling me that when he was at school a flame -haired youth gave him a fright with his fast bowling (don't know for how long). Turned out in later life to be Paul Collingwood (bowler that is, not Deano). I expect Deano turned out to be out - though he didn't say.
Tomorrow, Essex and Lancashire play one another in a 1-day competition. Both teams are playing away from home, since the venue is Sedbergh Schoool, which is in Cumbria. ;)
I have to confess that, although I have stayed in Sedbergh and cycled through on a few occasions, I was unaware that there was a large public school there with a ground capable of supporting what may well be a well-attended 1-day match.
Quite a few years ago, I spent a few days at Oakham School when they hosted the finals of the National Primary Schools Chess Championships, and there was a first-class match going on, 3 days I think. It was an England A v ?? . I can't recall the opposition - an African country I think, but one that didn't qualify for full test status at the time. Each time we walked from the (chess) playing venue to our accommodation, we went past the cricket. There was almost no-one there watching, even though the quality of the players was pretty high.
Gloucestershire. Unless you think of Royal Gloucestershire.
Tomorrow, Essex and Lancashire play one another in a 1-day competition. Both teams are playing away from home, since the venue is Sedbergh Schoool, which is in Cumbria. ;)
Gloucestershire. Unless you think of Royal Gloucestershire.
Where do they play outside Gloucestershire other than Bristol, which I would have thought for historical cricketing reasons would be counted as Gloucestershire?
I’d never heard the term “Royal Gloucestershire” as a thing. A google just threw up hussars and hospitals.
We didn't have the 4th innings. If we had had that, we would have won!
I like the concept of a "Cricket Week". Essex used to have quite a few: Southend, Ilford, Leyton, Colchester, and even Brentwood - I recall going there once when i was very small. I didn't watch any cricket but my dad spent the day there watching "his" county of Glamorgan (my dad came from Pengam, Mon - the wrong side to the Rhymney to be properly Glamorised). My namesake was playing for Glam at the time.
Most of the traditional weeks for Essex have now fallen by the wayside and they play the vast majority of their games in Chelmsford. I can understand that - they were once docked points because of the state of the pitch at Southchurch Park (Southend) and that cost them the title. I would imagine that when counties play at other grounds than their main one that a certain amount of ground care is taken on trust. Indeed, looking at the current fixture list, it seems that all home games are being played at Chelmsford. This is a shame. Southchurch, for example, holds at least one World record: the 1948 Australians scored 721 runs in a single day, which I don't think has ever been bettered. Gooch very nearly became the first batsman to score 200 in a 40-over match there, again v Glam. Derek Pringle was responsible for him being run out when in the 170s. Pringle was on 2 at the time and went on to make 50-odd. Essex scored about 350 in what may well have been a 40-over record at the time.
Glamorgan used to play at a number of different grounds, and I think they used to have a week in Llandudno, a very long way from home! I've watched them play in Sophia Gardens and St. Helens (Swansea - nowhere near Lancashire). I believe the latter is no longer used for county cricket, and of course it was there that Sobers hit 6 sixes off a single Malcolm Nash over.
Apart from Glam & Lancs, which other counties play outside their counties' strict geographical locations? I don't count the London boroughs here: as far as I am concerned, the 5 London boroughs that used to be Essex still are for sporting purposes. When I used to select the county junior chess teams, I was spoiled by having Havering, Redbridge, Barking & Dagenham, Waltham Forest and Newham under my jurisdiction, and of course Surrey hardly ever play in actual Surrey itself.
Well, that wasn't a great success for England...Any updates on the England success situation?
When I first watched Essex play cricket, their scoreboard was an old furniture van that had been painted black and used to travel round to each ground where they played. The scorers would sit inside it and lean out of windows cut into it to hang the relevant numbers on hooks.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-the-mobile-scoreboard-is-used-for-the-last-time-and-shows-that-essex-117832258.html
It seems that it was still in use as recently as 2014.
Essex managed to take the two remaining Kent wickets for the addition of a dozen or so runs, so won by and innings and 270.
Yes, that is a nice gentlemanly touch, CET. In another arena, the South Africans seem to be more affected by the death of their erstwhile queen than England - though I suppose they could amount to the same thing.
“For 26 wickets to fall in a day is unprecedented, but I think if you look back at some of the dismissals a lot of them were batter-error. So it wasn’t all down to the wicket. Sometimes bowling first at Chelmsford is a blessing in disguise, especially if the wicket flattens out on days three and four. It has been an extremely dry summer and the wickets are quite slow. But it’s been an eventful day and there’s still a lot to do tomorrow.
“I think if you look at when the lights came on, Alastair Cook was batting extremely well – he’d got 36 runs and as soon as the lights came on he struggled to score, which I think says a lot. Overhead conditions played into their hands as well. We had them up against the ropes, but the lights took it away from us. We had to bowl spin [because of the light] when our seams were doing extremely well. But I think Tom made the right call bringing a premature end to the day, so we can come back tomorrow when the ball’s still hard and really get a few more wickets.”
At one point Leicestershire and Doncaster Rovers. On the same day.
Is he related to the Balderson who used to play professional football for Carlisle and cricket for someone else?
At one point Leicestershire and Doncaster Rovers. On the same day.
Is he related to the Balderson who used to play professional football for Carlisle and cricket for someone else?
I agree, CAT. It also doesn't help that there central contracts which mean spectators are not going to see their team's best players at all in some cases, when you consider that half the games are away. Durham, for example, have four players at least who have featured regularly for England, including Ben Stokes and Lees. Little wonder that Durham are in the second half of the second division. It's true that this season's champions, Surrey, lose the services of Foakes and Pope to this system but they have one able replacement in South African Hashim Amla, one of the world's greatest ever batsmen! I'll shut up now because I'm starting to waffle!
Essex: 263.
Northants: 163.
Essex: 63-5.
Essex lead by 163 with a day to go.
Some rather amusing numerical symmetry there.
Looks like Jack White has earned his Stripes against Essex, Wow. (Beat combo reference)
It looks likely that Warwickshire are going from champs to chumps in the course of just one season. Even Gloucestershire look like beating us. Other results have not gone our way either.Phew, that was close!
I wasn't expecting that.Me neither. Listened to the whole match and thought India batted pretty well in the end but England just demolished them to the point India seemed to give up. I'm hoping they've saved some shots for the final.
Or you could watch it for free on C4!
Potentially the fasted ever England 100 coming up.... But not quite.
Still, 500 runs in a day's not bad.
Any highlights on Freeview/TV?
Result in the nick of light. :thumbsup:
I don't think that is correct, well not according to howstat.com, they are claiming 9 test series played in Pakistan starting in 1961/2.
"People don't come here to see me scoring runs. They come watch me not getting out all day."
As Mr Boycott never actually said.
It is true
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/rewind-to-1978-botham-to-boycott-i-ve-run-you-out-you-604169
"People don't come here to see me scoring runs. They come watch me not getting out all day."
As Mr Boycott never actually said.
"They came to see me bat not you bowl" - WG Grace, putting the bails back on his stumps after being bowled first ball.
Absolutely classic TMS moment about 0640 this morning, maybe a bit earlier. Aggers and Alex Hartley discussing the modes of transport they'd seen in Pakistan. He was admiring the lane discipline of an Oxen and Zults reprimanded him for coverting someone else's Oxen on TMSDid you hear the discussion on floppy hats (i.e. sun-hats worn by players, which always fall off as soon as they run for the ball)? Bit more like old-skool disguised smut: comments about admiring another chap's floppy, etc etc ...
It's exciting stuff, all right but I don't think this approach will be very successful against a team with more than one bowler - Australia has got dozens.
It's exciting stuff, all right but I don't think this approach will be very successful against a team with more than one bowler - Australia has got dozens.
Agreed. Despite the fantastic achievements of the English team since Stokes took over the helm, I wouldn't be rushing out to buy a 4th day Ashes ticket. Especially not given the result at the Gabba.
the second-earliest declaration in the first innings of a match in the 146-year history of Test cricket - the earliest was by Pakistan who reached 130-9 after 44.5 overs on a rain-hit opening day against England at Lord's in 1974.BBC
The tourists will either set a new record chase or become the first England team to lose a Test after enforcing the follow-on.
If he's got any sense, he'll declare himself unable to play the whole series. On the bowling performance in Ireland's second innings, I'd expect Australia to score 1000, unless there is some rain on the pitches. In fact I'd expect Steve Smith to score 1000 on his own.
I don't understand that declaration. It's a 5-day test. Root is still there. Just bash lots of runs until he's out.
I don't understand that declaration. It's a 5-day test. Root is still there. Just bash lots of runs until he's out.
How useful those runs would be now, given that the 30 minutes' bowling at the openers didn't yield any wicket.
I don't understand that declaration. It's a 5-day test. Root is still there. Just bash lots of runs until he's out.
How useful those runs would be now, given that the 30 minutes' bowling at the openers didn't yield any wicket.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing!
I would say England are in the stronger position.
If I had to make a prediction? Australia will have a decent partnership, but will then have the worst collapse since Helen Daniels fell down the stairs in Neighbours.
I always think back to this fantastic game:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-england-1979-62284/england-vs-india-4th-test-63240/full-scorecard
when at the start of the final over, all four results were still possible.
But an England win is better entertainment.
I don't understand that declaration. It's a 5-day test. Root is still there. Just bash lots of runs until he's out.
How useful those runs would be now, given that the 30 minutes' bowling at the openers didn't yield any wicket.
But an England win is better entertainment.
Pfft, I’m not that invested in “England”. YMMV.
No, it's anticipating all possible eventualities, and that's what I was doing. This is the precise scenario I had in my mind when I questioned the declaration.
I can see the point of a gamble in putting the Aussie openers in for 30 minutes so that you can have a go at them with fresh bowlers twice, but to counter that, you have a top batsman on over 100 and a load of bowlers who have spent a hot day in the field.
You know you are going to have to bat again because it's the first innings. You want to build a winning lead. Does it matter whether you score those runs in the first innings or the second? As long as you score them, no, but another 20 or 30 runs could well have been critical in that first innings, given what happened. Declaring at that point reduced England's choices. It doesn't matter what the sport, the team or player with the greater range of choices is at an advantage.
So it was a mistake.
Thank God it's only a game!
Amazing game. Well done Australia. You bastards.Yup!
I take the point, J, but I veer towards thinking that the 1st Test is often the best opportunity of beating a visiting team and that we blew it!Remind me who won by 250 runs in 2019!
I take the point, J, but I veer towards thinking that the 1st Test is often the best opportunity of beating a visiting team and that we blew it!Remind me who won by 250 runs in 2019!
That is sensational stuff - thank you! I felt slightly sorry for the Croatian wicket-keeper, who seemed pretty good in the face of almost impossible "bowling". He's even perfected the insouciant hand-on-thrust-hip exasperated stance of the true wicket-keeper/horse. It's a shame to think that, thanks to television coverage, all this will disappear within a few years as average ex-pros are brought in from Test countries to "improve" things.
Brilliant!
:facepalm:Oh Duckett :'(
Avoided the follow-on!
Tufnell.
"I agree with Bazball, but you've got to have a brain as well." :-)
Tufnell.
"I agree with Bazball, but you've got to have a brain as well." :-)
I thought he’d lent his to an Aussie spectator who was building an idiot ???
It’s the spirit vs the letter of the law again. With Starc I think the decision was correct in both senses. Had he held the ball off the ground he’d have been given the catch. Stumping of the non-striker was supposed to be a deterrent against immoderate backing up, and used to be preceded by a friendly warning. That was clearly not the case here, hence the opprobrium. But match and series winning bonuses are at stake.
It's funny that nobody, including on the BBC has brought up, "It's not cricket!" (Though several tabloids will have a version of that on their front and back pages tomorrow.) It clearly IS cricket and it always has been, like it or not.Listening to TMS it was brought up several times as the commentary team rotated. And again in some of the interviews. I don't think anyone suggested it was not out per the rules but the opinions on whether it was in the spirit of the game were far more diverse. There is a paragraph on the spirit of the game at the start of the rule book which was read out. Quite a bit of talk around similarities with a situation where India approached the umpires over lunch and withdrew their appeal, I don't recall the details but they'd taken a slightly early lunch due to a dismissal and with the appeal withdrawn the batsman was allowed to resume.
Both decisions technically correct and both a result of errors of judgement by Starc/Bairstow but neither felt right or fair.The only objection to Starc's catch arises from nobody there apart from the umpires knowing the rule book, Glenn McGrath a prime example. See this clarification (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/men-s-ashes-2nd-test-lords-mcc-clarifies-why-mitchell-starc-catch-of-ben-duckett-was-given-not-out-1385311) from the MCC. The umpires were right & correctly called for a review themselves, the players were all bystanders so spirit of the game doesn't come into it and there was no error of judgement from Starc, just ignorance.
It's funny that nobody, including on the BBC has brought up, "It's not cricket!" (Though several tabloids will have a version of that on their front and back pages tomorrow.) It clearly IS cricket and it always has been, like it or not.Listening to TMS it was brought up several times as the commentary team rotated. And again in some of the interviews. I don't think anyone suggested it was not out per the rules but the opinions on whether it was in the spirit of the game were far more diverse. There is a paragraph on the spirit of the game at the start of the rule book which was read out. Quite a bit of talk around similarities with a situation where India approached the umpires over lunch and withdrew their appeal, I don't recall the details but they'd taken a slightly early lunch due to a dismissal and with the appeal withdrawn the batsman was allowed to resume.
Several today felt the umpires should have confirmed if Cummings wished to proceed with the appeal before giving it.
Stokes said he'd have withdrawn & Cummings said he'd do the same again in a heartbeat - both exactly as you'd expect.
Both decisions technically correct and both a result of errors of judgement by Starc/Bairstow but neither felt right or fair.The only objection to Starc's catch arises from nobody there apart from the umpires knowing the rule book, Glenn McGrath a prime example. See this clarification (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/men-s-ashes-2nd-test-lords-mcc-clarifies-why-mitchell-starc-catch-of-ben-duckett-was-given-not-out-1385311) from the MCC. The umpires were right & correctly called for a review themselves, the players were all bystanders so spirit of the game doesn't come into it and there was no error of judgement from Starc, just ignorance.
It's an awful situation. Carey actually did nothing wrong.
Starc said in his defence that he put his hand down "ball first" to prevent injury - to twist the arm around could have caused significant damage to his arm or shoulder - not ideal for a fast bowler. He was in complete control of the ball - no question - so something isn't right with a rule that penalises self-preservation at a time when the physios are running on regularly for concussion assessments for glancing blows to the helmet.
QuoteIt's an awful situation. Carey actually did nothing wrong.
Don Mosey’s 1980’s book We Don't Play it for Fun: A Story of Yorkshire Cricket opens with Derek Randall being run out while backing up in a 1978 test against NZ.
There was some outrage about this at the time. The author uses this example to make a point about the ‘spirit’ of Yorkshire cricket: (paraphrase - sorry, don’t have the book handy): “Whatever the rest of England were saying, from Hull to Huddersfield the chorus went up - ‘serve t’stupid bʊgger reight’”
This seems to be a similar situation.
Just catching the highlights - the dopey sod Bairstow went wandering after Carey let the ball go.According to Cummings it was not a one off, YJB'd gone for a premature stroll several times already most recently 4 balls earlier. Carey had spotted it & spoken to Cummings about the possibility who'd responded gopher it. No reason to doubt their account.
Just catching the highlights - the dopey sod Bairstow went wandering after Carey let the ball go.
It's a hard game, can't really blame the Aussies for taking advantage. The pendulum was slightly swinging England's way with Duckett and Stokes batting, getting Bairstow out sealed it, despite Stokes's heroics.
Anyway, I cannot believe the front of Stuart fucking Broad trying to give the Aussies lessons in cricket etiquette. Well, I can, he's Stuart Broad, but still, what a dick (great player though he is).
Carey had spotted it & spoken to Cummings about the possibility
Far from the only dumb thing the England team have done so far this series.
Carey had spotted it & spoken to Cummings about the possibility
Carey had spotted it & spoken to Cummings about the possibility
In which case I'm totally on the Aussies' side on this.
..its just that the dozy sod has wandered out the crease before the over has been called by the umpire.
Hadn't the umpires started moving to their new positions ?
While it was out under the laws, I feel a warning should have been given, or a shy at the stumps designed to miss.
While it was out under the laws, I feel a warning should have been given, or a shy at the stumps designed to miss.
But why bother at all? He wasn't trying to gain an advantage. If he'd been persistently backing up at the non-strikers end, sure - warn him or even just Mankad him. That's trying to gain an advantage. In this situation he was just heading off for a chat/bit of gardening.
You'll hope for ever. It'd go in the book as Run Out when it's at the bowler's end. But it's a lovely thought.Doh ! Of course.
You'll hope for ever. It'd go in the book as Run Out when it's at the bowler's end. But it's a lovely thought.I'll take 20 of those please!
Indeed.
There’s been a little movement this morning. Hopefully it will dry up and straighten up and Stokes and Ali will get centuries.
Indeed.
There’s been a little movement this morning. Hopefully it will dry up and straighten up and Stokes and Ali will get centuries.
Or it will be perfect conditions for the Aussie second innings. At least we will have the consolation of D Warner...............b Broad
Australia seemed to have moved Eddie Xtras down the order.
Can I interest anyone in a ticket for day 5?;D
Australia seemed to have moved Eddie Xtras down the order.
Still managed to equal Warner’s total though. ;)
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Yes, it was unplayable, because it didn't bounce. I don't think it was bowled like that, seemed more to be the wicket to me.
I think it was Ricky Ponting who pointed out that Aus would not be happy to see that, because if the bounce becomes that variable, they will be needing to defend under extremely difficult circumstances.
well for the first time this series Australia have taken the second new ball, in the 91st over! Do you think Pat Cummins had forgotten it was a possibility?
One way or another Australia will be batting soon.
Stokes rather likes a declaration.....Not that keen it would seem.
Stokes rather likes a declaration.....Not that keen it would seem.
Tomorrow looks like a total write-off for the test match, looking at the Met Office's website.
I sent in a suggestion for the bands silliness:Chapeau.
Bradman Turner Cover-drive
Metoffice showing poss 'dry window' 1-3pm.
Edit: I don’t think there was ever another bowler quite like Underwood. Left arm, but not really slow. He could make the ball do things on a drying pitch that pretty well no-one else could.
The thing I remember most about him is his unerring consistency. There was nothing spectacular about his style but he just seemed very difficult for even top class batsmen to play against.
1 o'clock. It stops raining. An announcement is made that there will be a pitch inspection at 2
2 o'clock. Pitch inspection. An announcement is made that play will resume at 3
3 o'clock. It rains.
Ha! It's a lousy way end a match but I'm cynical/old enough to think that it wasn't a foregone conclusion that England would still win if play had been possible. This is Australia we are talking about.
Doubt if the Aussies (including the now mandatory sporting Slovenian!) are moaning about English weather, now.
It's easy to be an expert after the event but one does wonder if they might have been better off declaring at lunch on Friday and having a go at the Aussies while there was still some life in the pitch.Somebody addressed this point, I can't recall if it was on the beeb, the Groan or Cricinfo. They batted on betting on an innings defeat. Had they declared it was more than likely England would have had to bat again and that introduces an innings break costing time from the match. As they were scoring fast it seemed a logical approach.
I thought that was posted by the Aussie crossword setter I follow, but I checked and my Aussie crossword setter had retweeted your Aussie crossword setter's post.Doubt if the Aussies (including the now mandatory sporting Slovenian!) are moaning about English weather, now.
An Aussie crossword setter I follow on Twitter posted:
"See the rain? Sad."
Which is an anagram of "Ashes retained".
I thought that was posted by the Aussie crossword setter I follow, but I checked and my Aussie crossword setter had retweeted your Aussie crossword setter's post.
Glenn MacGrath really enjoys announcing the Shipping Forecast...
Edit: I don’t think there was ever another bowler quite like Underwood. Left arm, but not really slow. He could make the ball do things on a drying pitch that pretty well no-one else could.
I started watching cricket at Kent in the early 80s so got to enjoy the tail end of Underwood’s career. The thing I remember most about him is his unerring consistency. There was nothing spectacular about his style but he just seemed very difficult for even top class batsmen to play against.
I don't understand that declaration. It's a 5-day test. Root is still there. Just bash lots of runs until he's out.
it's been such an excellent series.
Don Broadman* Last ball faced - out for 0, reducing his first-class average to 99.99. The culprit has a stand named after him at Edgbaston.
* Obscure Australian batsman.
I don't know if the pundits got around to adding a rider to Stuart Broad's fairy-tale departure:-
Don Broadman* Last ball faced - out for 0, reducing his first-class average to 99.99. The culprit has a stand named after him at Edgbaston.
* Obscure Australian batsman.
Reducing his Test average to 99.94
His first class average was 95.14.
Gotta love a bit of pedantry :P
I don't know if the pundits got around to adding a rider to Stuart Broad's fairy-tale departure:-
Broad: Last ball faced - hit for 6
Last ball bowled - winning wicket
Don Broadman* Last ball faced - out for 0, reducing his first-class average to 99.99. The culprit has a stand named after him at Edgbaston.
* Obscure Australian batsman.
Don Broadman* Last ball faced - out for 0, reducing his first-class average to 99.99. The culprit has a stand named after him at Edgbaston.
* Obscure Australian batsman.
Don Broadman* Last ball faced - out for 0, reducing his first-class average to 99.99. The culprit has a stand named after him at Edgbaston.
* Obscure Australian batsman.
Out of interest, what would he have needed to score to have an average of 100+? (Apart from Not Out as an option)
I don't know if the pundits got around to adding a rider to Stuart Broad's fairy-tale departure:-
Broad: Last ball faced - hit for 6
Last ball bowled - winning wicket
Don Broadman* Last ball faced - out for 0, reducing his first-class average to 99.99. The culprit has a stand named after him at Edgbaston.
* Obscure Australian batsman.
Post 2989 ;)
Don Broadman* Last ball faced - out for 0, reducing his first-class average to 99.99. The culprit has a stand named after him at Edgbaston.
* Obscure Australian batsman.
Reducing his Test average to 99.94
His first class average was 95.14.
Gotta love a bit of pedantry :P
It's a fair cop, Bobb. I was doing it out of my head (which I obviously was!).
I don't know if the pundits got around to adding a rider to Stuart Broad's fairy-tale departure:-
Broad: Last ball faced - hit for 6
Last ball bowled - winning wicket
Don Broadman* Last ball faced - out for 0, reducing his first-class average to 99.99. The culprit has a stand named after him at Edgbaston.
* Obscure Australian batsman.
Post 2989 ;)
Yes, I knew that. Bradman was the rider!
Don Broadman* Last ball faced - out for 0, reducing his first-class average to 99.99. The culprit has a stand named after him at Edgbaston.
* Obscure Australian batsman.
Reducing his Test average to 99.94
His first class average was 95.14.
Gotta love a bit of pedantry :P
It's a fair cop, Bobb. I was doing it out of my head (which I obviously was!).
You may enjoy this video Don Bradman's Duck - Numberphile (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Tiba3h9Fw)
Was everything grey, green and greasy? And set about with fever trees?
I have never really taken much interest in anyone else’s domestic cricket, but how can one not support a team named Garden Route Badgers? Much more interesting than “Essex Eagles”. And quite a few of my neighbours get quite fed up with badgers using their gardens as thoroughfares.
I have always been a bit wistful that the East Anglian counties don’t play first class cricket. I would support a team named “Norfolk Enchants” like a shot.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53268624120_135b0c5c5c_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2paaC6N)
Timed Out.
That's rare, and poor sportsmanship, I think...
I seem to remember Alan Ward of Derbyshire taking 5 wickets in an over once.
A google comes up with nothing so I might be imagining this.
And the above post will haunt ME for the rest of my life! Whatever the result (and it's all to play for as I write) it's humble pie central here. What a match!
Excellent! The partnership reaches 27. Only another 479 needed to win...