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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #100 on: 12 October, 2023, 11:46:20 am »
Captain Tom’s daughter says family kept £800,000 from his books.

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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #101 on: 12 October, 2023, 05:52:53 pm »
They were strange days..
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #102 on: 12 October, 2023, 06:36:55 pm »
Maybe Captain Tom wasn't as cuddly and innocent as he seemed either... Or maybe the family are just ruthless grabbing grifting bastards...

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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #103 on: 13 October, 2023, 11:10:41 am »
Maybe Captain Tom wasn't as cuddly and innocent as he seemed either... Or maybe the family are just ruthless grabbing grifting bastards...

Captain Tom was ruthlessly exploited by his family and a cynical, corrupt government.
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #104 on: 13 October, 2023, 02:25:51 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67099214

A few mistakes along the way, apparently.  Beginning to look careless.
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #105 on: 13 October, 2023, 02:50:18 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67099214

A few mistakes along the way, apparently.  Beginning to look careless.


I'm sure it was all inadvertent... just like Sunak's corruption and fraud.
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #106 on: 13 October, 2023, 02:58:33 pm »
They've got a nerve saying the books were never part of the charity campaign.  The guy was known for one thing and one thing only - raising money for charity, so there would be an immediate assumption that anything sold in his name would be linked to that end.
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #107 on: 13 October, 2023, 03:40:53 pm »
They've got a nerve saying the books were never part of the charity campaign.  The guy was known for one thing and one thing only - raising money for charity, so there would be an immediate assumption that anything sold in his name would be linked to that end.

And the preface to  his memoir, penned by him, effectively said the money raised would be going to charity:

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Astonishingly at my age, with the offer to write this memoir I have also been given the chance to raise even more money for the charitable foundation now established in my name.
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #108 on: 13 October, 2023, 03:46:22 pm »
The sex pond complex spa is rather harder to defend.
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #109 on: 13 October, 2023, 06:21:53 pm »
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #110 on: 14 October, 2023, 07:09:11 pm »
Maybe Captain Tom wasn't as cuddly and innocent as he seemed either... Or maybe the family are just ruthless grabbing grifting bastards...

I've seen no evidence to suggest that Tom Moore was in any way corrupt or less than he seemed, and if you have such evidence please produce it - or give your reasons for wishing to implicate him as 'not as cuddly and innocent as he seemed'.

On the other hand there were several rumours about Hannah Ingram-Moore being far too in love with celebrity and status from the early days of Tom's fundraising, and the handling of the charity's business since his death has raised eyebrows and suspicions in several observers, at least in terms of its incompetence. While I don't doubt that Tom did indeed intend the proceeds from some of his works to go to the family after his death, it's surely not beyond the wit of the executors to ensure that all such gifts were above board and squeaky clean. As for the 'spa', there seems to be no actual evidence of its purported purpose for use by the community or the disabled, and - again - the handling of the planning and construction appears to have been at best incompetent.

Thank goodness the £39m raised by Tom went straight to NHS Charities.

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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #111 on: 14 October, 2023, 07:14:41 pm »
I would prefer that the NHS did not rely on charity.
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #112 on: 14 October, 2023, 10:02:52 pm »
I would prefer that the NHS did not rely on charity.

It's against the rules to spend donated money on anything to do with actual patient care.

It can only be used for extras, like books and stuff.

https://www.thirdsector.co.uk/nhs-tayside-will-repay-27m-charity-funds-spent-systems/governance/article/1462090
https://www.thirdsector.co.uk/scottish-government-urged-investigate-nhs-boards-use-charitable-funds/governance/article/1461209

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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #113 on: 14 October, 2023, 10:12:52 pm »
I would prefer that the NHS did not rely on charity.

Captain Tom’s fundraising was for ‘NHS Charities Together’ not the NHS. NHS Charities Together definitely supports the NHS, but as I understand it no part of the NHS’s remit is dependent on charitable donations. Even if the NHS was funded (and managed) well, there would still be a need for support to provide things the NHS will never be funded to provide, and to support staff in ways that a patient-centred budget can’t.

https://nhscharitiestogether.co.uk/about-us/who-we-are/

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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #114 on: 14 October, 2023, 10:50:25 pm »
It's against the rules to spend donated money on anything to do with actual patient care.

File under "today I learned".  Though obviously it doesn't preclude the NHS refusing to fund certain necessary things and charities picking up the slack.  Wheelchairs, for example.

Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #115 on: 15 October, 2023, 06:33:51 am »
How few people who donated can have known exactly what their money would be used for!
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #116 on: 15 October, 2023, 08:29:36 am »
Interesting debate but in the end the problem comes down to the usual human frailty:  greed.

I have in my more youthful years raised money for charities such as Guide Dogs and for cot death research and support (Lullaby Trust) and it has never occurred to me that people are giving their money for anything but the cause.  Each time I have managed to raise a number of thousands which at the time I considered a lot of money given my personal circumstances but not once did I feel that I was entitled to a single penny of it.

I am no saint so I should not really pass judgement but it is difficult not to do so.

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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #117 on: 15 October, 2023, 09:27:26 am »
How few people who donated can have known exactly what their money would be used for!

When I donated I received an email from NHS Charities Together explaining exactly who they were and how the donations would be used.

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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #118 on: 18 October, 2023, 01:33:05 pm »
Charity to be closed down, according to the Mirror.

The planning appeal over the L-shaped sex pond complex goes on.

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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #120 on: 29 October, 2023, 09:18:41 am »


Captain Tom Moore's son-in-law's companies 'go bust owing £3.7 million in taxes and to small businesses'


Although the two companies listed in the article were dissolved in 2009 and 2016, well before Covid and Covid inspired charity events
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #121 on: 29 October, 2023, 01:29:02 pm »
It doesn’t look good on CV, now does it?
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #122 on: 30 October, 2023, 08:44:11 am »
It explains why the family might have had an incentive to exploit the late Captain.
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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #123 on: 07 November, 2023, 10:19:34 am »
Sex pond appeal has failed. Bulldozers at 5 o'clock!*


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Re: Captain Tom
« Reply #124 on: 07 November, 2023, 04:06:27 pm »
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