Yeah it was tough, but I got my first experience of the dozies which should help brevet cymru next week. Dave had a mechanical on way home which was bummer. Hopefully it should work out quite well, unless we have other audax when you want to do it, or other commitments, but reasonably flexible. I've never done that climb from builth southerly I've descended it though and thought it would be a bugger to go up, let alone towards the end of 200km.