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Title: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clifftaylor on 09 December, 2008, 07:48:50 am
I liked Bagpuss  :'(
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 December, 2008, 08:08:27 am
"Oh sod it! The bloody thing's stuck again!"

So said a Clanger, and got Mr. Postgate into BBC hot water apparently.

Great programmes, and on a shoestring as well.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: eck on 09 December, 2008, 08:09:46 am
 :-[
Noggin the Nog is my all-time favourite. Beautiful.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 09 December, 2008, 08:48:36 am
A brilliantly creative man.  My first memory of Postgate's work was the now almost forgotten Pogle's Wood, which I loved.

He was a lifelong socialist and pacifist, and his warmth and compassionate optimism pervade everything that he did.  Gentle, humourous, and very, very English.  His warm, slightly posh voice brings childhood memories flooding back, and is a comforting sound.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Hot Flatus on 09 December, 2008, 08:59:02 am
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!   (http://teachline.ls.huji.ac.il/72682/tutorials/behappy/crying-smiley.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Adam on 09 December, 2008, 09:03:19 am
A distinctly British genius.

Ivor the Engine was probably my favourite, but I'm also old enough to remember Pogles' Wood.  :'(
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 December, 2008, 09:16:48 am
A brilliantly creative man.  My first memory of Postgate's work was the now almost forgotten Pogle's Wood, which I loved.


I had forgotten about Pogle's Wood but just remembered I loved it. 

It's probably cos I'm getting old but I think kid's TV now is pants.  Shame people like Oliver Postgate are literally a dying breed. 
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Pingu on 09 December, 2008, 09:46:42 am
I'm sure I grew up on a diet of green soup & blue string pudding  :)

(http://www.earthstar.co.uk/pics/bspbag.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: andygates on 09 December, 2008, 10:16:49 am
Bagpuss has gone to sleep.   :(
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 09 December, 2008, 10:17:38 am
Still stunned.

Of course, I knew Postgate was an old man.  And I know we - he - won't live forever.

But there's something inextricably linked to my childhood just disappeared.  The TV entered the household the same week I did, and I watched a ridiculous amouint of the idiot-lantern when young.  But the highlights were disproportionately from Postgate.

Clangers, Ivor the Engine, Noggin the Nog, even Alexander the Mouse, and, especially, the weird and wonderful Pogle's Wood.

Postgate, with the brilliantly inventive Peter Firmin as illustrator/animator, put together these great highlights of TV history in a garage near Canterbury.  

The loving, but not over-sentimental, view of the world from a child's perspective of curiosity and wonder, informed my own approach to other people in society.

I'm generally very sceptical about the possibilities of TV, and children's TV in particular, as a force for good, but Postgate stands alongside Jim Henson and a select band of others in giving me hope.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 December, 2008, 10:21:07 am
Still stunned.

Of course, I knew Postgate was an old man.  And I know we - he - won't live forever.

But there's something inextricably linked to my childhood just disappeared.  The TV entered the household the same week I did, and I watched a ridiculous amouint of the idiot-lantern when young.  But the highlights were disproportionately from Postgate.

Clangers, Ivor the Engine, Noggin the Nog, even Alexander the Mouse, and, especially, the weird and wonderful Pogle's Wood.

Postgate, with the brilliantly inventive Peter Firmin as illustrator/animator, put together these great highlights of TV history in a garage near Canterbury.  

The loving, but not over-sentimental, view of the world from a child's perspective of curiosity and wonder, informed my own approach to other people in society.

I'm generally very sceptical about the possibilities of TV, and children's TV in particular, as a force for good, but Postgate stands alongside Jim Henson and a select band of others in giving me hope.

Awww, nicely put.  You should get yourself along to his funeral and read that out.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 09 December, 2008, 10:24:18 am
This has upset me more than being hit by a van. I love the Clangers, I love Bagpuss, Ivor the Engine is fantastic, particularly Idris the dragon and the one where they go to the seaside. I know I did watch Pogle's Wood but I can't remember it at all. I loved the Bagpuss one where the mice made chocolate biscuits out of butter beans and breadcrumbs. They were such wonderful programmes, slow in pace but never boring, rich in detail, beautiful to look at.  :'(
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Rhys W on 09 December, 2008, 10:29:56 am
I don't remember Pogle's Wood at all, but I loved all the rest. I think I was far too old for kid's tv when Ivor The Engine came out but I watched it all the time anyway. What a great legacy.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Really Ancien on 09 December, 2008, 10:31:53 am
More of a Grange Calveley -  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grange_Calveley) man myself.

Damon.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Thor on 09 December, 2008, 10:40:18 am
He was on Desert Island Discs sometime last year.  He talked about the conditions in which he worked on the animations - there was no air conditioning and the room was very hot - he had to wear sweatbands on his wrists.  Flies would occasionally land on the set at exactly the wrong time and ruin the shot.

He produced such magical work from such meagre resources.  I can recall Pogle's Wood only vaguely.  Noggin the Nog had such atmosphere.  And the Clangers were kids' TV perfection.

He had mastered the difficult art of producing material ostensibly for children, which could entertain adults as well.  A brilliant man and a sad loss.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: FatBloke on 09 December, 2008, 10:44:29 am
I remember Ivor the Engine and Pogle's Wood with great fondness. I loved the Clangers but was a little too old for Bagpuss. Loved the Mouse Organ though!   ;D

Ollie Postgate's melifluous tones will always take me back to my childhood.

RIP  :'(
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 09 December, 2008, 10:46:20 am
Sandra Kerr (the voice of Madeleine the rag doll) was on R4 this morning, saying that you can hear them giggling on some of the Bagpuss episodes because doing the mice on the Marvellous Mechanical Mouse-Organ made them laugh so much.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 09 December, 2008, 10:47:31 am
Professor Yaffle is a role model.  I can do pompous! ;D
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 December, 2008, 10:49:37 am
Read http://www.oliverpostgate.co.uk/ (http://www.oliverpostgate.co.uk/).  There are much good Stuffs therein.

I did at least remember to comfort my Major Clanger this morning.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Regulator on 09 December, 2008, 11:39:42 am
I hate to say this but the only thing I ever saw was Bagpuss.  The other things were before my time in the UK.

I was brought up on a diet of Daktari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daktari) and Pufnstuf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.R._Pufnstuf)....
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 December, 2008, 11:40:27 am
I remember Ivor the Engine and Pogle's Wood with great fondness. I loved the Clangers but was a little too old for Bagpuss. Loved the Mouse Organ though!   ;D

Ollie Postgate's melifluous tones will always take me back to my childhood.

RIP  :'(
Nonsense! I'd say you are almost ready!
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 09 December, 2008, 11:42:04 am
Bagpuss, despite its immense popularity (voted Best Ever Children's Programme in c1998), was my least favourite of his oeuvre.

I did like Daktari, too, though (risks heading off into cheap sleb clip show territory.  Spacehoppers?  Spangles, isn't it? Jumpers for goalposts...)
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 09 December, 2008, 11:43:25 am
...They were such wonderful programmes, slow in pace but never boring, rich in detail, beautiful to look at.  :'(

I thin kthis is it, really.  Meticulous craftsmanship, creating a rich and detailed, complete world to immerse yourself in.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 December, 2008, 11:44:30 am
Warning! Bad taste alert!

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Apologies for that. Blame Dez. :-[
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: pcolbeck on 09 December, 2008, 11:45:36 am
The lack of shoutiness in them also stands out when compared to much modern stuff. The voice of the narrator (usually Oliver himself) is soft and soothing.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: pcolbeck on 09 December, 2008, 11:46:53 am
Warning! Bad taste alert!

(click to show/hide)

Apologies for that. Blame Dez. :-[

I hope not or the millions of us who though we never actually met him consider him one of our greatest childhood friends are not long for this world.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 December, 2008, 01:49:39 pm
Professor Yaffle is a role model.  I can do pompous! ;D

Apparently Prof. Yaffle was based on Bertrand Russell!

Oliver Postgate - Creator of Bagpuss, The Clangers, Ivor the Engine and other Childrens TV classics (http://www.oliverpostgate.co.uk/) is a pretty compelling website.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Really Ancien on 09 December, 2008, 02:04:52 pm
Surely 'Snagglepuss' and 'My Mother the Car' formed a large part of all our upbringings.

Damon.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 09 December, 2008, 03:02:31 pm
Professor Yaffle is a role model.  I can do pompous! ;D

Apparently Prof. Yaffle was based on Bertrand Russell!

Oliver Postgate - Creator of Bagpuss, The Clangers, Ivor the Engine and other Childrens TV classics (http://www.oliverpostgate.co.uk/) is a pretty compelling website.

That never occurred to me, but it's so true! ;D

Looks like him; sounds like him; talks like him.  In fact, Oliver would have known Russell very well from his anti-nuclear activity.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Rhys W on 10 December, 2008, 02:07:07 pm
This is stated in his obituary in today's Guardian in fact. There's also a reprint of an article he wrote on the demise of children's tv (from 2003), and a big feature in G2.

The upshot of reading these is I have just bought all 26 episodes of The Clangers from amazon for the princely sum of £8.85!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Jaded on 10 December, 2008, 02:15:22 pm
From his website:

Quote
So does it matter?

Yes it does! The Head of Acquisitions at the BBC outlined the Corporation's policy in a recent radio programme. She told us:

"The children of today are more used to the up-market, faster-moving things" and that "in today's hugely competitive schedule we are up against about another twelve to fourteen children's channels and we have got to stand out."
As a policy that is, in my considered view, almost criminally preposterous.

Firstly because it isn't true. There is no such thing as 'the children of today'. Children are not 'of today'. They come afresh into this world in a steady stream and, apart from a few in-built instincts, they are blank pages happily waiting to be written on.
Secondly because it simply isn't true that children have to have what they are 'used to'. They do want programmes that are new to them, programmes that are original and mind-stretching. They just aren't being offered them.

Let me give you an example. As part of the same radio programme one of our old film series: Noggin and the Firecake, was shown to a primary school. It was heavy stuff, clumsy and slow by 'today's standards', but my goodness how eagerly the children followed and enjoyed it! At the end they could gleefully recount whole sections of the story, and when asked if they would like more they shouted with one voice: "YES!"

Lastly, the policy is tragically preposterous because there is simply no need or reason for the BBC to 'compete and stand out'. It is a publicly funded body and it should know that feeding the minds of young people is a seriousloving responsibility. We ourselves have passed this responsibility on to the BBC and it has no business leaving it to the mercies of a money-grubbing market.

Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 11 December, 2008, 10:44:35 pm
Just been watching some Smallfilms stuff on Youtube.  Only one episode of Pogles, I'm afraid, and it's a bit barmy.  But Bagpuss & Ivor are simply delightful, even if nothing ever happens much.

Clangers is such a positive programme.  The messages about the environment, the value of respect for diversity and co-operation are so lightly done, but are core to the whole thing.

There's also three parts of a documentary (narrated by that other wonderfully avuncular voice of childhood, Bernard Cribbins) about Smallfilms, with both Postgate and Firmin taking delight in rediscovering the models they had used for their classic creations.

It describes Clangers as 'bordering on the surreal'.  I never noticed it anywhere near any border! ;D
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Noodley on 11 December, 2008, 10:57:51 pm
Why did he stop doing stuff ages ago? 
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 December, 2008, 11:02:08 pm
It crossed my mind, thinking back to the BNP Membership List thread, how those people who wanted to tar CND members and lefties with the same brush as BNP membership would have been banning Oliver Postgate! I can hear the outrage now: CND Commie nets top BBC Children's job! ;D
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 11 December, 2008, 11:12:41 pm
I think he was on the Redwatch list >:(
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 12 December, 2008, 08:14:44 am
  But Bagpuss & Ivor are simply delightful, even if nothing ever happens much.


Loads of things happen! Ivor goes to the seaside in one, and he has dragons nesting in his fireboxbit (technical term), and now and again there's a donkey on the line. And Bagpuss - well, things never stop - mice singing, woodpeckers nagging, people bringing things into the shop which the mice have to wash and slosh and mend and tend and make them clean clean clean. It's a hive of industry.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 12 December, 2008, 04:06:15 pm
Oliver being discussed on the obits programme on R4 right now.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on 12 December, 2008, 07:12:43 pm
Bagpuss was my favourite but I loved them all
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Adam on 12 December, 2008, 08:21:28 pm
Why did he stop doing stuff ages ago? 

I think it was more the BBC deciding it wasn't in line with their "yoof" culture image of children's TV.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: fuzzy on 13 December, 2008, 02:46:56 pm
I remember fondly Bagpuss, Ivor The Engine, Nogin the Nog and The Clangers. I don't remember Pogles Wood.

I don't know what it was about his programmes, I just loved them. In fact, if I were to wander into a room today, aged 46, where any one of the above programmes was on the tellybox, I would be entranced and stuck in front of the screen again.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 13 December, 2008, 03:11:48 pm
The only ones I remember were the Clangers and Ivor the Engine. Bagpuss was something I never quite saw the point of, somehow. But the Clangers were my most absolutely favouritest thing on TV. They were re-released on video and TV about 15 years ago and I remember thinking then, this stuff is so surreal, how it could not have affected the the way we grew up? In a positive way, I feel. I read in a newspaper that Ivor the Engine dates back to 1951! Perhaps that was a typo. Anyway, the dragon was a wonderful character. The same article made the point that in the 70s and 80s there were only a few TV channels, so all kids watched the same things. Then at school the next day you would talk about them. Today, with satellite and cable, TV programmes aren't a shared culture in the same way.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: rogerzilla on 14 December, 2008, 09:06:30 am
Some surprisingly tasteful tributes among the usual NSFW stuff on b3ta:

b3ta.com challenge: oliver postgate (http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/oliverpostgate/popular/)
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 17 December, 2008, 04:44:48 pm
Reading Oliver Postgate's autobiography. 'Seeing Things', I discover that his parents, Daisy & Raymond (yes, the Raymond) Postgate, joined the whole family on a CTC membership (wonder if the membership dept was as efficient in those days), and they went on an enjoyable cycle tour of France in 1939, conscious that this was probably their last chance for a while.  He said he & his older brother would dash ahead and wait for Daisy & Ray at a cafe, sipping mildly alcoholic drinks, which they knew their parents would pay for without quibbling. ;D

Not only but also: later in 1939, the 12yo Oliver and his brother cycled from Chichester to Dartington Hall to go to school (so presumably with a lot of luggage, and certainly carrying gas masks).

I'll keep reading on, and let you know if there's any more in the same vein.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Rhys W on 17 December, 2008, 09:08:46 pm
My Clangers DVD arrived today!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: citoyen on 18 December, 2008, 10:07:09 am
Raymond (yes, the Raymond) Postgate

Crikey! I didn't realise that. I can't think of many father-son combos who are both heroes of mine, but Raymond and Oliver would definitely be top of the list.

I used to work for The Good Food Guide - long after RP's time, but I like to think I was doing my bit to keep his legacy going.

d.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: citoyen on 18 December, 2008, 10:08:44 am
Oh yeah, and Charlie Brooker's tribute to Oliver Postgate on Screenwipe this week made me cry. The bastard.

d.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: LEE on 18 December, 2008, 03:57:18 pm
Oh yeah, and Charlie Brooker's tribute to Oliver Postgate on Screenwipe this week made me cry. The bastard.

d.


He absolutely got it spot on didn't he?
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clarion on 18 December, 2008, 09:20:17 pm
Raymond (yes, the Raymond) Postgate

Crikey! I didn't realise that. I can't think of many father-son combos who are both heroes of mine, but Raymond and Oliver would definitely be top of the list.

...


Not only but also, his maternal grandfather was George Lansbury.
Title: Oliver Postgate on BBC4
Post by: Adam on 21 December, 2009, 06:38:16 pm
BBC4 - Tuesday 22nd December 2009 at 8 pm - Oliver Postgate - A Life in Small Films (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pht5q).

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Thor on 22 December, 2009, 08:28:22 am
Thanks! Set to record.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: clifftaylor on 22 December, 2009, 07:48:54 pm
<<BUMP>> :D
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: border-rider on 22 December, 2009, 08:27:56 pm
I always knew the Clangers were good socialists :)
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Oaky on 22 December, 2009, 08:45:09 pm
I wish I'd seen this thread when it was bumped, rather than at 8:30.  Watching it now.  I do hope they repeat it (or put it on iPlayer?) so I can see the first half.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: mattc on 22 December, 2009, 08:49:30 pm
Check the post-midnight schedule?

EDIT:
Wed 23 Dec 2009
02:35
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Oaky on 22 December, 2009, 08:54:21 pm
Check the post-midnight schedule?

EDIT:
Wed 23 Dec 2009
02:35

Thanks --- I was just about to post these details having just this second found them on the program website linked above somwhere :)

Now it's set to record :)
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on 22 December, 2009, 09:14:08 pm
Marvellous  :thumbsup:  Tell you what though, I want the job of that "Professor of Animation" !  Imagine that, getting paid to study The Clangers and Bagpuss !   :)
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: rogerzilla on 23 December, 2009, 06:37:49 am
I liked the Clangers but didn't like Bagpuss.  You see, what with the b/w intro and the wobbly music, I thought it was filmed in Victorian times and they were all dead by now (which would have been about 1973).
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 23 December, 2009, 08:09:26 am
I used to have a penpal from Horrabridge which is where they filmed the opening credits of Bagpuss.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: groucho on 23 December, 2009, 08:39:14 am
I got the 'Ivor the Engine' box set last Christmas :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: border-rider on 23 December, 2009, 10:09:20 am
Mrs MV met Bagpuss a couple of years ago; he was living near Chippenham with either Emily or a relative of whoever knitted him - I can't remember now.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 December, 2009, 10:14:34 am
Mostly excellent, but not enough Noggin The Nog for my tastes.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: nicknack on 23 December, 2009, 11:27:37 am
We have dvd with all the Noggins.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Moloko on 23 December, 2009, 05:31:49 pm
A true eccentric. Where there's a will, there's a way.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: perpetual dan on 23 December, 2009, 09:44:48 pm
What a nice bloke. The clangers and Ivor are very fond memories for me.
The choice of clips as a part of the commentary, all the way through, was inspired.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: citoyen on 29 December, 2009, 10:54:19 am
I finally got round to watching the BBC4 programme last night. Lovely nostalgia fest. Made me feel rather wistful.

My son was a bit puzzled when "Florence's dad" came on - ie Christopher Postgate, whose daughter was in his class at school last year.  ;D

d.
Title: Re: RIP Oliver Postgate
Post by: Torslanda on 01 January, 2010, 07:02:31 pm
"Oh sod it! The bloody thing's stuck again!"

So said a Clanger, and got Mr. Postgate into BBC hot water apparently.

Mr P had the last laugh thoughbut.

When all sorts of Clangers merchandise was licensed a while back the knitted soft toys were all made with a squeezable sound chip.

Guess what the sample was . . .  ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D