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[HAMR] Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« on: 21 April, 2015, 08:55:02 am »
Not as pretty as Jo's analysis but here's a breakdown of all the rides posted on Miles' Strava account.  Where Miles has ridden across midnight I have split the ride in two so that I can establish the true daily totals.  I say true, I don't have the .gpx files so the split is crudely done moving the slider along the profile on Strava.  I have also split the ride up to Wangaratta as it had an obvious long break in it.  Bold headers are the data I've worked from, everything else is calculated.  Green is credited on UMCA, red is not - lost effort due to late uploads.

Strava ride                                      Break     Start             Duration  End               Distance (Km)Distance (mi)  Daily total  UMCA
https://www.strava.com/activities/282917765           11/04/2015 00:0608:05:0211/04/2015 08:11200.2124.40
https://www.strava.com/activities/28434966502:26:58   11/04/2015 10:38   05:03:28   11/04/2015 15:41   131.181.46
https://www.strava.com/activities/28434946201:44:3211/04/2015 17:2600:43:5311/04/2015 18:0917.911.12
https://www.strava.com/activities/28434962600:40:0711/04/2015 18:5004:25:5111/04/2015 23:1591.356.73273.71273.9
https://www.strava.com/activities/28435005306:02:0912/04/2015 05:1808:46:3112/04/2015 14:04219.8136.58
https://www.strava.com/activities/28434950603:19:2912/04/2015 17:2400:17:4112/04/2015 17:414.82.98
https://www.strava.com/activities/28434981901:15:1912/04/2015 18:5704:23:0112/04/2015 23:20101.863.26202.82202.9
https://www.strava.com/activities/28434957600:56:5913/04/2015 00:1702:39:2613/04/2015 02:5658.536.35
https://www.strava.com/activities/28434969901:47:3413/04/2015 04:4402:54:5013/04/2015 07:3856.835.2971.7
https://www.strava.com/activities/28506245202:49:1013/04/2015 10:2811:32:4613/04/2015 22:00237.0147.26218.91
https://www.strava.com/activities/28506244708:50:1414/04/2015 06:5108:51:4414/04/2015 15:42213.1132.41132.4
https://www.strava.com/activities/28570901402:40:1614/04/2015 18:2300:25:2914/04/2015 18:487.34.54136.95
https://www.strava.com/activities/28570956306:12:3115/04/2015 01:0107:41:0115/04/2015 08:42192.8119.80
https://www.strava.com/activities/28570952201:32:5915/04/2015 10:1506:13:0315/04/2015 16:28149.692.96
https://www.strava.com/activities/28633105201:49:5715/04/2015 18:1800:31:0915/04/2015 18:497.94.91
https://www.strava.com/activities/28633136801:16:5115/04/2015 20:0603:54:0016/04/2015 00:0063.439.39257.06
                                                   16/04/2015 00:0006:59:5016/04/2015 06:59164.6102.28354.5
https://www.strava.com/activities/28633107107:45:1016/04/2015 14:4500:02:1016/04/2015 14:470.20.12
https://www.strava.com/activities/28660852002:14:5016/04/2015 17:0206:58:0017/04/2015 00:00135.684.26186.66
                                                   17/04/2015 00:0001:08:4917/04/2015 01:0859.136.72121.1
https://www.strava.com/activities/28709870102:01:1117/04/2015 03:1000:56:4117/04/2015 04:0616.510.25
https://www.strava.com/activities/28709902507:41:1917/04/2015 11:4804:08:0317/04/2015 15:56116.872.58
https://www.strava.com/activities/28709882401:31:5717/04/2015 17:2804:31:4517/04/2015 21:59112.069.59142.3
https://www.strava.com/activities/28891080901:42:1517/04/2015 23:4200:18:0018/04/2015 00:005.83.60192.75
                                                   18/04/2015 00:0000:54:2118/04/2015 00:5422.013.67
https://www.strava.com/activities/28891098906:39:3918/04/2015 07:3408:22:5918/04/2015 15:56198.6123.40
https://www.strava.com/activities/28891070003:19:0118/04/2015 19:1600:33:2218/04/2015 19:494.62.86139.932.9
https://www.strava.com/activities/28891094507:08:3819/04/2015 02:5804:17:2219/04/2015 07:1591.756.98
                                           03:47:3819/04/2015 11:0312:48:2619/04/2015 23:51288.5179.27236.25236.3
https://www.strava.com/activities/28891073504:01:3420/04/2015 03:5301:51:0120/04/2015 05:4419.311.99
                                           04:54:5920/04/2015 10:3902:10:0020/04/2015 12:4918.511.50
https://www.strava.com/activities/28950451400:38:0020/04/2015 13:2701:09:0820/04/2015 14:3613.28.20
https://www.strava.com/activities/28950454303:24:5220/04/2015 18:0105:59:0021/04/2015 00:00121.375.3797.57
                                                   21/04/2015 00:0000:13:4421/04/2015 00:139.96.15231.5
https://www.strava.com/activities/28950492005:56:1621/04/2015 06:1007:43:2921/04/2015 13:53211.1131.17137.32131.2

I was tempted to start this (but didn't) because I could not understand the 354.5 miles credited on UMCA for the 15th.  The answer is they credit according to the day a ride starts.  Yesterday when there was nothing showing on the UCMA sheet for the 18th & 19th but there was already for the 20th it looked like Miles' first ride out of the bay was going to be lost, that provided the impetus to start plodding through the Strava rides.  Miles' team has truncated ride 288910735, the train journey home, sacrificing 11.5 miles back in Melbourne in the process.  My calculated daily total discounts this as it is no longer visible on Strava.  The total of the red figures (excl the strikeout) lost due to late uploads is 307.6 miles.

Currently the figure on the UCMA for 20th is incorrect, I think he's been double credited for today's ride.

[edited to add]
The third motivation for this which I'd forgotten was to point out that since Jo is taking data straight from Strava (and I really hate to raise a criticism about such excellent daily updates and visualisations) Jo is taking no account of the rides excluded by the UCMA.
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #1 on: 21 April, 2015, 09:20:16 am »
I think that jo is a chap.
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SoreTween

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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #2 on: 21 April, 2015, 09:30:38 am »
Oops. Edited to remove hoof from 'tween molars.
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #3 on: 21 April, 2015, 09:40:21 am »
I think that jo is a chap.

I've just had a quick check, and yes I think you are correct hatler.

I have been working with anything submitted to Strava that doesn't look immediately suspect, so may indeed include rides end up being excluded. The trouble is that UMCA reports the official record a few days behind the uploads, so it's not easy to incorporate into the daily update. I do periodically check against the official record for comparison and adjust totals accordingly.

SoreTween

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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #4 on: 21 April, 2015, 09:52:35 am »
Apologies for my faux pas Jo.

Hopefully the above will help with your checking.  It's easier to read in the excel version, ping a pm if it'd be of any use to you.
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #5 on: 21 April, 2015, 10:35:55 am »
If Miles stays the distance and breaks the record, I can see this getting silly.

There will be an official number of recorded miles and a footnote recording other miles that technological incompetence/disorganisation prevented from being officially recorded but for which credible evidence exists that they were actually ridden.
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SoreTween

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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #6 on: 21 April, 2015, 11:56:25 am »
If Miles stays the distance and breaks the record, I can see this getting silly.

There will be an official number of recorded miles and a footnote recording other miles that technological incompetence/disorganisation prevented from being officially recorded but for which credible evidence exists that they were actually ridden.
I'm not planning to maintain my list, it's answered the questions I had.  Strava will have the rejected rides, cest lavvie.  Jo intends to align to UMCA and at the end of the day/year the only record that matters is the UMCA.  It could get silly, I have no intention to help it be so.

I suppose if Miles continues to 'lose' miles at the rate he has done so so far I might keep an eye on it but what would be the point?
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #7 on: 21 April, 2015, 12:03:29 pm »
If Miles stays the distance and breaks the record, I can see this getting silly.

There will be an official number of recorded miles and a footnote recording other miles that technological incompetence/disorganisation prevented from being officially recorded but for which credible evidence exists that they were actually ridden.
The worst situation would be if he (clearly to observers) set a new record, but missed enough recorded miles to miss the official record.  Eg if Kurt was homologated (love that word!) but everyone knew Miles had gone further than him.

Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #8 on: 21 April, 2015, 01:20:47 pm »
Great piece of analysis!
I haven't spoken to the team so not sure of the real story.
In your analysis, how many kms could be lost due to the yanks not understanding the time difference.... Ie That Melbourne is a full day ahead due to the time difference?
I know that caused real problems in the days leading up to Miles' first day.

Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #9 on: 21 April, 2015, 01:33:02 pm »
Something I posted on our Australian forum, based on nothing more than supposition;
After spending many years working night shift, I guess Miles can ride through the night until he gets tired. Unfortunately it throws out the record keeping.
Another way of looking at it; he's approaching it like a 365 day RAAM whilst Steve and Kurt are doing 365 consecutive long rides. (Scary, no matter which way you look at it!!)
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #10 on: 21 April, 2015, 02:15:33 pm »
In your analysis, how many kms could be lost due to the yanks not understanding the time difference.... Ie That Melbourne is a full day ahead due to the time difference?
I really couldn't guess.  Miles hasn't helped himself at times, he's missed opportunities to go to the shop at the end of a ride going straight home instead.  I think the shop may be to blame for not submitting some of the short stuff, that's just a feeling I get believed religiously (i.e with no supporting evidence whatever).  If the yanks have made a mistake the team should pick up on it and get it corrected, so long as the rides are submitted within the cutoff interpretation can be corrected.

I find it harder to track Miles than the others. I'm in the UK so Steve is easy, Kurt is predictable and William ignored but Miles rides right round the clock.  The round the clock part complicates things (in my head at least) more than the time difference.  Maybe now I've figured out that the UMCA file rides according to Melbourne start time that'll ease.  Trackleaders and Finemespot 'helpfully' show the times in reader local which I find bloody useless, setting up a virtual machine on Melbourne time helps reading these.   Strava is easiest to use because the times on there are local to Miles.
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #11 on: 22 April, 2015, 09:39:43 am »
If Miles stays the distance and breaks the record, I can see this getting silly.

There will be an official number of recorded miles and a footnote recording other miles that technological incompetence/disorganisation prevented from being officially recorded but for which credible evidence exists that they were actually ridden.
The worst situation would be if he (clearly to observers) set a new record, but missed enough recorded miles to miss the official record.  Eg if Kurt was homologated (love that word!) but everyone knew Miles had gone further than him.

Thanks - that's what I was trying to say.
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #12 on: 06 May, 2015, 07:29:53 am »
Miles continues to haemorrhage miles, it's around 700 now uncredited on UMCA.  The situation around the bay has improved now he's making regular stops at Mordialloc.  Hats off to his supporter there, Miles turns up at all times of the day and night.  He's still losing rides all over the place though.
 
His own team are running a tracker, I hope they are not considering that the official record.  Particularly given they've included a 220 km train journey in it.
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #13 on: 06 May, 2015, 08:11:21 am »
Is Miles going for the UMCA world record, or is he just challenging himself to see how far he can ride "unofficially"?  There is no shame in the latter, if that is the reason he isn't going all out to submit all of his rides through the official channels and those that he does submit are down to an obligation to his local supporters.  Indeed, there would be something noble about not being a slave to the UMCA's rules.

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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #14 on: 06 May, 2015, 10:07:33 am »
I believe he must have entered for real - as otherwise why would UMCA record his mileage at all.

I have chucked an e-mail at someone in Victoria who is I believe part of the Miles team (who I happen to  know, having ridden some of his audax rides ) asking him and Miles team to read this specific thread carefully.

Steve may have an advantage that our Boss man - does know the key Yank guys which Miles team might not, and we can sort things fairly quickly when there are snags, queries.

I have flagged that Miles team need to make sure that UMCA actually understand both time differences and date lines - so that Miles is correctly credited with any miles ridden. 

Best I can do at the moment.
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #15 on: 06 May, 2015, 06:56:58 pm »
I don't think the official results are really 700 miles behind. 

The UMCA aren't helping things by having three datasets on their website, only the last of which is the definitive official record of the attempt.

http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/details.php
http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/spreadsheet.php
http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/official_results/ (updated pdf link on this page)

The first two are updated daily, but not always retroactively updated, so late submissions by Miles are often not included - for example they still show nothing for the 26th April, and were very slow to add the missing 147 miles on the 13th April.

The last is the real official record, but it's only issued once every couple of weeks, so not much good for following progress.  I assume it's normally issued with a lag to allow time for late submissions and for proper verification (something which doesn't seem to happen too much with the other two datasets, as these have often just scraped the numbers from strava so included the odd vehicle transfer or stravas irritating "join the dots" inaccuracies).

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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #16 on: 06 May, 2015, 07:56:46 pm »
Cheers for that link to the details page, I'd not spotted that one.    That page links directly to Strava which helps greatly (and answers some of the questions I had at the start of this, ho hum).   

The total isn't 700 behind, most of the miles that were missing when I started this thread are now listed on the details page.  Many are corrections way past the official deadline, at a guess they were submitted on time but UMCA missed them and have now been nudged.   The more recent omissions add up to 419 miles but his total is short by less than that due to  the error on the 21st of Apr in Miles favour.  The ride is 150.0 miles on UMCA but if you follow the link to Strava it has been corrected to 12 miles having had a train transfer removed.

Not looking as bad as it was :)
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SoreTween

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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #17 on: 12 May, 2015, 11:06:30 am »
2 'rides' credited on the 10th in someone's back garden while Miles is waiting for a train 138 miles away?
2 instance of Miles riding 2 bikes at once on the 11th?
And yet, 6 more rides not credited since my last post?

Team, SORT YOUR SHIT OUT.  You're doing Miles a great disservice.
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #18 on: 12 May, 2015, 11:38:08 am »
According to FB, he now has a new Garmin and is sorting out some automatic updating via phone:

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We discovered him (Miles) on the highway yesterday attending to a slow leaking front tyre and fitted a new Garmin to his bike. Now his data is loaded automatically through a bluetooth link to his bike phone.
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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #19 on: 12 May, 2015, 11:54:05 am »
2 'rides' credited on the 10th in someone's back garden while Miles is waiting for a train 138 miles away?
2 instance of Miles riding 2 bikes at once on the 11th?
And yet, 6 more rides not credited since my last post?

Team, SORT YOUR SHIT OUT.  You're doing Miles a great disservice.

Here, here!  :thumbsup:

SoreTween

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Re: Miles Smith - miles lost & found
« Reply #20 on: 14 May, 2015, 09:51:05 am »
Movement  :D

The zero mile rides have mostly disappeared from Strava, must have happened recently because 7 examples appeared for yesterday on UMCA which no longer exist on Strava.  The bike fettler miles on 10th have gone as have two companion rider rides on the 11th.  Just one overlapping example remains to be sorted:

https://www.strava.com/activities/302409990
https://www.strava.com/activities/302402447

:thumbsup:
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