Audaxing and National Trust

[TigaSefi]

Basically how do I ensure the rides I want to tackle doesn’t go through or benefits National Trust grounds/locations as I have some severe disagreements with their latest shenanigans ?

[hellymedic]

Aren't their properties outlined on OS 1:50,000 maps?

[Veloman]

Basically how do I ensure the rides I want to tackle doesn’t go through or benefits National Trust grounds/locations as I have some severe disagreements with their latest shenanigans ?

Avert your eyes as you ride past?

Otherwise, as hellymedic suggests, NT locations are indicated on OS maps:

https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/docs/legends/25k-raster-legend.pdf

Surely it is much better to simply do the routes you fancy and glower at NT grounds as you ride past?

[Arry-R]

Surely it is much better to simply do the routes you fancy and glower at NT grounds as you ride past?
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Very well replied, end of story

[Martin]

This will probably go into POBI and away from my sight very quickly but is it because of faux hunting? I hadn't noticed that until I just googled it, (and had it been in the members' mag would probably have got involved to support the sadly defeated proposal)

It won't stop me going to their properties as I think they are wonderful (the properties not the Trust)

you'd better avoid Surrey Secrets next May! (or indeed any time) even though you will not need to spend a penny towards the Trust

[Ben T]

NT don't benefit from you simply riding through their land you know.

[mr ben]

NT don't benefit from you simply riding through their land you know.

Plus you could wee on it, if that helps.

[Deano]

And cycling on their land will cause them a (miniscule) cost in the upkeep of roads/tracks.

[Simon E]

Their map shows most locations with facilities (as opposed to the land they own):

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/search?view=map

If you're concerned about their policies then write to the DG.

[Martin]

Their map shows most locations with facilities (as opposed to the land they own):

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/search?view=map

If you're concerned about their policies then write to the DG.

or join, get a voting slip for the motion, vote next time and have the motion defeated by "discretionary votes" awarded to the Board...

Resolution 4 Members’ resolution for a cessation of trail hunting, exempt hunting and hound exercise  For Against Specified 28,629 27,525 Discretionary 2,057 3,460 Abstentions 1,925 TOTAL 30,686 30,985 RESULT Not carried

[Ben T]

NT don't benefit from you simply riding through their land you know.

Plus you could wee on it, if that helps.

No that would benefit them, nitrogen is a fertiliser.

[mcshroom]

I'd be rather stuck round here, they own half the Lake District

[Rod Marton]

I'd be rather stuck round here, they own half the Lake District

I'd be even worse off, wouldn't be able to get past the front gate!

[3peaker]

As already mentioned, don’t knock the benefits. Lacock (NT Village) is a Control for Cheltenham New Flyer 17 Mar 18.

[Delph Cyclist]

I'm riding the Cheshire Safari in a couple of weeks and that goes through Tatton Park.  We come back through Delamere Forest, which I think is also NT land, although the actual road surface might be excluded.  A policy of avoiding NT property is going to mean you miss some fine cycling locations.

[Charlie Polecat]

It is the organisation not the wonderful properties that should receive your ire.

[Arry-R]

It is the organisation not the wonderful properties that should receive your ire.

Here here 

[Exit Stage Left]

We were at Stourhead for the National Hedgelaying Competition over the weekend. We do 10 metres each, and that will bring in £95 per competitor in grant. It's not unknown for the host of the competition to provide 'cutting money', but we had none on Saturday from the National Trust.
Very stingy in comparison with the Cheshire Ploughing and Hedgecutting Society's £30 and a lunch, or the slap-up pub lunch we get at the Cheshire Hunt competition. I suppose NT take it for granted that everyone wants to do stuff for them voluntarily.

[vorsprung]

It's your bee in a bonnet, your problem and not something organisers will care about or do anything about

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if you don't like it go to the various AUK meetings and raise it as an issue.  Good luck

[Martin]

We were at Stourhead for the National Hedgelaying Competition over the weekend. We do 10 metres each, and that will bring in £95 per competitor in grant. It's not unknown for the host of the competition to provide 'cutting money', but we had none on Saturday from the National Trust.
Very stingy in comparison with the Cheshire Ploughing and Hedgecutting Society's £30 and a lunch, or the slap-up pub lunch we get at the Cheshire Hunt competition. I suppose NT take it for granted that everyone wants to do stuff for them voluntarily.

what on earth has any of that to do with AUK?

[Exit Stage Left]

We were at Stourhead for the National Hedgelaying Competition over the weekend. We do 10 metres each, and that will bring in £95 per competitor in grant. It's not unknown for the host of the competition to provide 'cutting money', but we had none on Saturday from the National Trust.
Very stingy in comparison with the Cheshire Ploughing and Hedgecutting Society's £30 and a lunch, or the slap-up pub lunch we get at the Cheshire Hunt competition. I suppose NT take it for granted that everyone wants to do stuff for them voluntarily.

what on earth has any of that to do with AUK?

Strangely, I was placed at dinner next to the organiser of the Quorn Hunt competition. He's a farmer who also runs a taxi business. I'm well known for my cycling, as the time when I interrupted a day of hedgelaying with a ride around the Cotswolds is well remembered. So he told me of an occasion when he'd been called to rescue participants in a 'cycle race' which was aiming to cover a large distance, starting at 6am. There'd been a late snowfall in the Cotswolds, and he was picking up DNFs.

The National Hedgelaying Society is like most voluntary organisations, with factions, membership revolts, problems generated by new technology, arguments over the website, all the usual.

All the falling-out blunts the capacity of the organisation to perform its core tasks, as the officers and trustees are all voluntary. The individual competitions are safe, as they are organised at the grassroots.

The National Trust is just a much bigger organisation, and it seems to be under attack for its stance on hunting. That's pretty relevant for the National Hedgelaying Society, as it has links to hunts, quite why it's relevant to AUK, is a bit of a mystery to me. Unless there's an assumption about the stance of its members. I sit on the fence myself, as that's my business.

[Martin]

ESL; thanks for the reply, sidestepping your rather shady connections it still doesn't seem to have much (anything) to do with AUK;

I'm assuming (only assuming) that the OP was about the recent vote on banning "legal" hunting on NT land

I think it needs to go into POBI myself. I'm an NT member who happens to think their work on conservation of properties and other land is worth every penny but feels very let down by a vote that IMO was neither well run nor democratic, and it's a shame they have been used as (to quote one of their board) "a political football" for having to deal with the after effects of an unworkeable bit of legislation

[Exit Stage Left]

Most of the NT's work is on 'other land'. I'm one of a large number of people who drifted into conservation work in the 1980s, through the Conservation Volunteers, so I'm not connected to the 'County Set' who hunt.

There are a number of people with similar experiences in AUK, as cycling and conservation were both 'Big in the 80s'. The path taken by 'The Conservation Volunteers ' is interesting. It got drawn into employment and social issues, and its previous role is now undertaken by NT and the Wildlife Trusts.

The pathway to abandonment of core purpose seems to start with politicisation, and proceeds to increasing commercialisation, via a rebranding. CTC is another example. It naffs of the old guard, but the activists who generated change don't like administration, and the organisation falls into the hands of 'professionals'. Often the bank balance falls as the organisation attempts to be inclusive, relevant, and finally, 'resilient', which seems to be code for 'almost bankrupt'.

I'll follow this story with interest.