The TT Thread

[David Martin]

No, it was the mean. Median would be far too easy and difficult if there were an even number of starters.

It was won by the rider who finished 17 of 27 finishers

[Dinamo]

Rode the Somerset RC Evening 10 from Axbridge tonight - U21/10.
A flat out & back course on the A38.
Fair breeze blowing tonight but this didn't stop me producing my fastest time on a 10 ! 24:40
Just to put it into perspective though I believe the fastest time was 20:30 

I’d have been there if it wasn’t for the lurgy. Still not 100% so not sure if I will ride tonight, riding to/from work in Bristol took its toll.

Couldn't make tonights TT.
Hopefully meet at Hadspen on Saturday & hopefully Sunday 

[Jasmine]

Went out to Chester to to do the D10/19 course last night.  It's our nearest semi-regular open TT but is an hours drive away, so a bit of a PITA.  I was out on the boat in the day, so had taken medication for motion sickness, so felt really groggy before the start.  I also realised I hadn't brought a bottle and had cotton wool mouth 

So I was very pleased to do 25.07.  My fastest 10 by about 45 seconds, and on a not totally flat course in the rain. 

[Karla]

Nice one!

No such luck for me.  I punctured a mile and a half from the end of our rolling 13 mile circuit.. Doh!  At least I stayed up - it was a front blowout on the last downhill, so I was preparing myself to face the road until I eventually managed to come to a halt.  Let's hope I don't have a repeat performance in Tuesday's circuit race. 

[rob]

My first TT for many years today - Kent CA 100.   Managed 4:57:48 which I'm very happy with as I hoped I could go under 5hrs and only an hour slower than the winner.   Used a 79" fixed which seemed about right for the pretty flat route in quite windy conditions.

I'm doing the 12hr on the same roads in Sep.   Can anyone suggest what mileage I should schedule for ?



Rob

[drossall]

Well years ago I did a couple of 12 hours off a 100 time around that, and did 217.70 miles one year and 217.61 the next. A rider who had done about the same as me in the first year passed me in the second, and made it clear that he thought I should be aiming for a significant improvement. I think he may have added ten miles or so.

[mattc]

The simplest way to get a rough estimate is to look at the VTTA tables.

For a given 100 mile time, you can quickly see the 'equivalent' figures for the other events. [they're online and googlable]

[rob]

I'm still coming to terms with the whole veteran thing so please don't bring it up too often  .   So my time for 100 is the standard for a 51 yr old.   The same rider is expected to do 198 miles in a 12.   I'm pretty sure I can do a bit more than 200 miles but not sure how much.

The interesting thing today is that I went through the 50 mile check in approx 2hrs 29m so my pace was very steady.   That said I definitely can't hold that speed for 12hrs.   

My standard for a 12 is 212 miles which looks like a decent goal.   Looks in line with drossall's advice 


Rob

[mattc]

Well 14 miles isn't a huge difference! So I guess anything between the two figures would be a good guide. 

I think course/conditions will have more effect than that. Plus any improved fitness in the next 3 months.


p.s. I know what you mean - I find those tables depressing too

[Lady Cavendish]

I'm liking these conversion tables. I'm not sure what to aim for in the longer ones. Part of the reason I have never tried a 100 even. I can ride 2 hours for a 50 but am not sure how much to drop off.

(I consider 14 miles in a 12 hour a very big difference! Over a mile an hour? To have set off at a pace over a mile an hour too fast (or slow) and I wouldn't expect to have a good experience!)

I recced a TT course yesterday I'm having a go at on Tues for a PB. I will get a 21 dammit.

[mattc]

Riders will often vary by 5% from one ride to the next. If you take the 2 figures as extremes, it becomes more like 2.5%.

Anyway, I was just trying to help - you tell Rob your predictions!!!

(To have set off at a pace over a mile an hour too fast (or slow) and I wouldn't expect to have a good experience!)

Seems to be your Audax strategy 


(I have actually been told by the local vet guru - full grey beard and everything - that the vets tables are a little conservative for the 12 and 24. My rides seem to confirm this!)

[rob]

I agree the standards tables look a bit easier as you go longer.   For example, I'd have had to go 13 mins faster to get my standard today but I have the 12 and 24 standards down as 'do-able', but I'm coming at this from an audax background.

Thanks for the tables Oranj, they seem to also confirm where I should be heading.   I had found the ABCC article and will probably try the advice of doing a 50 mile test ride at 12hr pace.   Looking at my HRM stats for today I averaged 164bpm for 5hrs.   For the 12 I'll need to run at 150-155bpm, I believe, to avoid blowing up.

My training between now and then will be 2 * 200s and LEL.   I'll build in some fast 50s during July.


Rob

[Karla]

Look on the CTT database for some riders that did the same time as you in the 100, see what times they've done in 12hr races and try to match those.  Look at the KCA 12hr archive as I don't think it's the fastest 12hr around.  FWIW I've done one 100 (the Anfield) which I did in 4:46:04, and two 12h races (both on the Elmet course) I did 222.43 and 235.49.

[rob]

I may see you at the Kent 12h, Rob. Looking through the list of 12-hour TTs left, it's one of the few I've not ridden and as every year more disappear from the CTT calendar (no Lancs 12h this year - I've never ridden it because although a flat course it was just a bit too far north), it would seem churlish not to give it a go. I hear it's not the fastest of courses but that won't bother me, I'm having a bit of a year off taking my racing seriously.

(I've not ridden the D12 either, but that's the same roads as the Anfield 100 and Mersey 24, so I feel like I've done those enough already. It's the same day as the National 12 which is on a fast course, so not likely to get many entries.)

It's an hours drive for me, as was the 100 so ideal.   It's very flat but there's quite a few turns.   The 100 did 2 laps of the big circuit so I've got some experience now.   The afternoon and finishing circuits I'm going to go and have a ride round during July/August.   I've audaxed round there a lot but never pieced all the bits together.   Last years course and start sheet are on the KCA12hr website - http://www.kca12hour.org.uk/.

I look forward to being passed by you lots of times.


Rob

[Lady Cavendish]

Finally a night with decent weather and a good course

New PB 21.41. Absolutely buried myself. Very happy.

[Lady Cavendish]

It was as close to a float evening as we were going to get. If we are being picky, there was a *slight* wind in the 'wrong' direction but it was so light. I'm not used to these good conditions. If they could resurface the hellish first couple of miles it would be amazing.

Splits for anyone whose done the course....
2.22
2.21
2.26 (double roundabout)
2.17
1.40 (spot the slope)
1.46
2.08
2.14 (roundabout)
2.12
2.12

The last 2 miles were so far into the paincave it wasn't funny, but I did make it a metre or 2 past the finish before throwing up all over myself. I prefer to at least finish before I do that. I keep looking at these splits and thinking I could go obv go faster in the first couple of miles, but on that surface I'm not sure I can.

Still really happy.

[Dinamo]

Great time Lady C.

Where is the course ?

[Chris S]

The last 2 miles were so far into the paincave it wasn't funny, but I did make it a metre or 2 past the finish before throwing up all over myself. I prefer to at least finish before I do that. I keep looking at these and thinking I could go obv go faster in the first couple of miles, but on that surface I'm not sure I can.

Still really happy.

 

And people call audaxers "mad"! The only time I rode a TT, I was sick in the hedge. Clearly it's a theme.

Well done!

[Lady Cavendish]

Great time Lady C.

Where is the course ?

Aston Clinton, Herts

[Lady Cavendish]

The last 2 miles were so far into the paincave it wasn't funny, but I did make it a metre or 2 past the finish before throwing up all over myself. I prefer to at least finish before I do that. I keep looking at these and thinking I could go obv go faster in the first couple of miles, but on that surface I'm not sure I can.

Still really happy.

 

And people call audaxers "mad"! The only time I rode a TT, I was sick in the hedge. Clearly it's a theme.

Well done!

Thanks. But Audaxers are mad. Cycling at bedtime is silly.

[David Martin]

That is the one just outside Princes Risborough? Scene of my first ever 10 way back in 1990

[Lady Cavendish]

Its a fairly new course so there must be a couple round there....

[simonp]

PB for a given distance in bold.

Course	Date	Time	Comments
E3/10	24.04.08	30'15	Madone 5.2, racelite wheels, 25mm tyres, clip ons, normal helmet
E3/10a	24.07.08	28'05	Madone 5.2, racelite wheels, 25mm tyres, clip ons, normal helmet
U21/10	15.05.13	29'22	Madone 5.2, open pro wheels, 23mm tyres, dynohub, edelux, drops, windy, no helmet
U21/10	22.05.13	27’05	Madone 5.2, racelite wheels, 23mm tyres, blustery cross-wind, clip-ons, bambino helmet, not happy with position yet
U21/10	19.06.13	26’11	Madone 5.2, racelite wheels, 23mm tyres, bambino, new better clip-ons, light headwind out

Getting faster…

[Dinamo]

PB for a given distance in bold.

Course	Date	Time	Comments
E3/10	24.04.08	30'15	Madone 5.2, racelite wheels, 25mm tyres, clip ons, normal helmet
E3/10a	24.07.08	28'05	Madone 5.2, racelite wheels, 25mm tyres, clip ons, normal helmet
U21/10	15.05.13	29'22	Madone 5.2, open pro wheels, 23mm tyres, dynohub, edelux, drops, windy, no helmet
U21/10	22.05.13	27’05	Madone 5.2, racelite wheels, 23mm tyres, blustery cross-wind, clip-ons, bambino helmet, not happy with position yet
U21/10	19.06.13	26’11	Madone 5.2, racelite wheels, 23mm tyres, bambino, new better clip-ons, light headwind out

Getting faster…

How were the conditions Simon, it seems a quick night - warm, not much wind.
I hope to ride that course again, depends on work, family, life etc 

BTW ............  well done 

[simonp]

How were the conditions Simon, it seems a quick night - warm, not much wind.
I hope to ride that course again, depends on work, family, life etc 

BTW ............  well done 

Conditions were far better than I’ve seen before on that course, finally the wind wasn’t strong. It was a headwind out, so I averaged about 34.5kph to the turn and about 38kph on the return. It is much warmer than previous times, first time I’ve ridden with bare knees. I was slightly surprised to have a headwind again, I expected a cross-wind given the forecast.

Some tweaks still needed to my position but it’s far better than I’ve had previously. I think drop the bars a bit and bring the clip ons back slightly.