Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => Topic started by: BrianI on 14 January, 2019, 10:06:18 am
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Currently my "Trigger's Broom" of a touring bike (only thing original on my '08 Dawes Horizon is the frame and fork) is shod with a pair of Marathon Greenguard. Pretty basic tyres, but not particularly comfortable either, probably due to the 3mm rubber "greenguard" layer beneath the tread.
Main use of the bike this year will be the massive commute of 1.3 miles each way to work and back, and some general day rides, possible some overnight B&B tours.
Seeing as this bike hasn't had much spent on it recently, I thought it deserves a treat.
So what's recommended in the way of reasonably light weight "touring" tyres, which aren't too heavy duty, and still reasonably "plush", but not to fragile either ~ 700x32 to 700x38 or thereabouts.
I had tried Panaracer Paselas in the past. Nice tyres, but these failed with perished sidewalls.
What I've considered so far:
Marathon Supreme,
Vittoria Voyager Hyper (although I've read these may be a bit slippy in the wet?)
Panaracer RibMo
Continental Contact Speed.
So any suggestions?
Thanks!
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HK loves her 700x38C Schwalbe Almotions. Expensive but performing well.
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HK loves her 700x38C Schwalbe Almotions. Expensive but performing well.
Hmm, Schwalbe class them as 40-622, which may be too bike clearance wise for under the mudguards. A bit to "tready" as well...
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Almotions have lower rolling resistance than Hypers, despite the tread. HK's have done over 7000km to date with a couple of embedded glass shards found yesterday but nothing getting through the carcass. Lack of clearance is a major issue, of course. The moulded size on the sidewall is 38C, the printed size is 40C. https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/schwalbe-marathon-almotion-2016
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I'm massively impressed with Marathon Supremes (and I'm one of those who hate the stiff regular Marathon and Marathon Plus tyres), have been running the 32mm folding version on my Hewitt Cheviot for about 4 years now (obviusly not the same set...). For a touring tyre I find they seem fast, are relatively light and provide a nice road feel (unlike regular Marathons/Pluses) and are still relatively very puncture proof - have only really had punctures when the tyres have been close to wearing out. I've used them for year round commutuing and touring, but even on some club rides and sportives. No complaints.
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For touring comfort the Paselas take some beating they just are a bit magic carpet. They are however, prone to deflation, particularly sidewalls.
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Almotions have lower rolling resistance than Hypers, despite the tread. HK's have done over 7000km to date with a couple of embedded glass shards found yesterday but nothing getting through the carcass. Lack of clearance is a major issue, of course. The moulded size on the sidewall is 38C, the printed size is 40C. https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/schwalbe-marathon-almotion-2016
Hmm, looking at that review, it seems the Marathon Almotion uses the same 3mm "greenguard" layer as in my current Marathons. So probably not much of an "upgrade" to go for these apart from possibly slightly less weight and a bit more width...
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I'm massively impressed with Marathon Supremes (and I'm one of those who hate the stiff regular Marathon and Marathon Plus tyres), have been running the 32mm folding version on my Hewitt Cheviot for about 4 years now (obviusly not the same set...). For a touring tyre I find they seem fast, are relatively light and provide a nice road feel (unlike regular Marathons/Pluses) and are still relatively very puncture proof - have only really had punctures when the tyres have been close to wearing out. I've used them for year round commutuing and touring, but even on some club rides and sportives. No complaints.
Hmm. Looks like Spa Cycles has older style Marathon Supreme, rigid, for £20 an end in 700x32mm size... Tempting...
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I've had schwalbe Spicer tyres on mine. Basically cheaper and look lighter marathons (£15 each), might be perfect for you.
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I've had schwalbe Spicer tyres on mine. Basically cheaper and look lighter marathons (£15 each), might be perfect for you.
I had looked at those, having seen Blodwyn Pigs good results with them https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94471.0 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94471.0)
Not sure the Spicer are that much lighter than my 32mm Marathon greenguard though.
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I'm massively impressed with Marathon Supremes (and I'm one of those who hate the stiff regular Marathon and Marathon Plus tyres), have been running the 32mm folding version on my Hewitt Cheviot for about 4 years now (obviusly not the same set...). For a touring tyre I find they seem fast, are relatively light and provide a nice road feel (unlike regular Marathons/Pluses) and are still relatively very puncture proof - have only really had punctures when the tyres have been close to wearing out. I've used them for year round commutuing and touring, but even on some club rides and sportives. No complaints.
Hmm. Looks like Spa Cycles has older style Marathon Supreme, rigid, for £20 an end in 700x32mm size... Tempting...
My experience is about the same as Qxford Guy's, I like them in every respect other than the price...
I was going to mention Spa have them on offer, but you're already there. I've never seen that wired version they have for £20 anywhere else, I have some and they're fine, but as they also have the previous model folding version for £25 I think I'd spend the extra.
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I'm massively impressed with Marathon Supremes (and I'm one of those who hate the stiff regular Marathon and Marathon Plus tyres), have been running the 32mm folding version on my Hewitt Cheviot for about 4 years now (obviusly not the same set...). For a touring tyre I find they seem fast, are relatively light and provide a nice road feel (unlike regular Marathons/Pluses) and are still relatively very puncture proof - have only really had punctures when the tyres have been close to wearing out. I've used them for year round commutuing and touring, but even on some club rides and sportives. No complaints.
Hmm. Looks like Spa Cycles has older style Marathon Supreme, rigid, for £20 an end in 700x32mm size... Tempting...
My experience is about the same as Qxford Guy's, I like them in every respect other than the price...
I was going to mention Spa have them on offer, but you're already there. I've never seen that wired version they have for £20 anywhere else, I have some and they're fine, but as they also have the previous model folding version for £25 I think I'd spend the extra.
Indeed, probably as well to go for the folding version for an extra fiver a tyre. To me £25 a tyre is about maximum I'm happy to spend.
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I've had schwalbe Spicer tyres on mine. Basically cheaper and look lighter marathons (£15 each), might be perfect for you.
I had looked at those, having seen Blodwyn Pigs good results with them https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94471.0 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94471.0)
Not sure the Spicer are that much lighter than my 32mm Marathon greenguard though.
Yes I think I have it wrong, looks as if they are heavier. They're gooduns in my experience though and very good VFM.
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Lol, still not decided. :facepalm: Perhaps the best compromise would be something lightly treaded, suitable for light off road paths in case I decided to cycle out to do bird watching down the coast or something. Just a shame the current Marathon Greenguard are so "wooden" feeling :-/
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Schawlow CX Comp might fit the bill. They’re dead cheap, work great on tarmac and I don’t think I’ve ever had a puncture while using them.
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Schawlow CX Comp might fit the bill. They’re dead cheap, work great on tarmac and I don’t think I’ve ever had a puncture while using them.
Probably a bit too "knobbly" on the shoulders though.... They are cheap though...
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Schawlow CX Comp might fit the bill. They’re dead cheap, work great on tarmac and I don’t think I’ve ever had a puncture while using them.
Probably a bit too "knobbly" on the shoulders though.... They are cheap though...
They are dead as a very dead thing to ride. I use them as winter tyres when there is snow around, and only then. I am very glad when I change back to lighter slicker tyres, the bike rides so much easier. The question is about summer touring tyres. No good to the OP because I use 28 but I like Michelin Pro 4 Endurance. Some years ago I used Panaracer Paselas and quite liked them.
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I fitted some 33mm Jack Brown Blue's on my work bike recently. Most soft feeling, comfortable tyres I've ridden yet. £20 at Planet X. Described as a touring tyre they are apparently pretty decent for longevity and puncture resistance from the reviews I've read (I stuck a few ml of Stan's in the tubes to be on the safe side). I'm loving them so far. Only drawback is they were a bit of a nightmare to get on my rims.
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Lol, still not decided. :facepalm: Perhaps the best compromise would be something lightly treaded, suitable for light off road paths in case I decided to cycle out to do bird watching down the coast or something. Just a shame the current Marathon Greenguard are so "wooden" feeling :-/
I find the Supremes fine on light off road, they're certainly robust enough and IMO it's only in a narrow band of circumstances where a light tread makes any difference. If you are looking for a Marathon like tread in a lighter tyre, the Paselas already mentioned are good, they were my default tyre for a decade or so, mostly the TG version, I haven't noticed any less grip since I changed to Supremes.
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I fitted some 33mm Jack Brown Blue's on my work bike recently. Most soft feeling, comfortable tyres I've ridden yet. £20 at Planet X. Described as a touring tyre they are apparently pretty decent for longevity and puncture resistance from the reviews I've read (I stuck a few ml of Stan's in the tubes to be on the safe side). I'm loving them so far. Only drawback is they were a bit of a nightmare to get on my rims.
Apparently made by panaracer? The sidewalls do look rather fragile though.
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Well, that's the 32mm Folding Marathon Supreme ordered from Spa Cycles, £25 each :-) I think they are an older version of the Marathon Supreme, but can't complain for the price. I only hope they are in stock as it says on the Spa website..
They do seem the best "compromise" tyre for the stuff I'll be doing on the tourer, mainly commuting to work, and solo leisurely day rides with picnic in the rack pack :-)
I'm sure they will be more than adequate for the "off road" cycle paths I'll be using.
I'm pretty sure If I had went for something more "off road suitable", I'd have been disappointed with the road performance.
Although according to some newspapers, the worst winter in 1000 years is on it's way, so they may not get fitted until after the snopocalypse ;-) :)
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Supremes are a smashing tire. comfortable, pretty fast rolling , puncture resistant, easy to fit and better off road than claimed. you can't go wrong. Useful reflective strip on sidewall too. Don't by the old model though.
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Supremes are a smashing tire. comfortable, pretty fast rolling , puncture resistant, easy to fit and better off road than claimed. you can't go wrong. Useful reflective strip on sidewall too. Don't by the old model though.
Why not the old model? Anyway hopefully I'll be getting a pair of the old model delivered today. £25 a tyre certainly more wallet friendly than £35+ a tyre.
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Lol, I've only just opened up the package from Spa cycles.
What's that? They've sent a pair of the new style Marathon Supremes (HS469) for the price of the older style? (£25 folding) :thumbsup:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7911/39853393423_203441c2e1_c.jpg)
That was a pleasant surprise indeed :-) ;D
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Planet X are selling the excellent Vittoria G+ Revolution for £8 right now.
I've had these tyres on my deliveroo bike since last March. Done approx 5000 km on them and not one visit from the fairy.
Sizes 28-42mm https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVITREVG/vittoria-revolution-g-graphene-700c-wired-tyre
No brainer! I'm getting a few pairs as a stockpile...
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Planet X are selling the excellent Vittoria G+ Revolution for £8 right now.
I've had these tyres on my deliveroo bike since last March. Done approx 5000 km on them and not one visit from the fairy.
Sizes 28-42mm https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVITREVG/vittoria-revolution-g-graphene-700c-wired-tyre
No brainer! I'm getting a few pairs as a stockpile...
I dd consider those, but put off by the weight of them, even heavier than marathon greenguard!
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Planet X are selling the excellent Vittoria G+ Revolution for £8 right now.
I've had these tyres on my deliveroo bike since last March. Done approx 5000 km on them and not one visit from the fairy.
Sizes 28-42mm https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVITREVG/vittoria-revolution-g-graphene-700c-wired-tyre
No brainer! I'm getting a few pairs as a stockpile...
Out of interest, how is the ride quality on these? I find my Marathon shod Croix de Fer feels basically unstoppable, but the ride is a bit harsh.
Tks
A
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I think it's terrific. Presumably even better in the wider versions.
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Enjoy your new tyres Brian! Am sure you will and you got a bargain there to boot!
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Lol, still not fitted or tried them yet, still to cold and icy to get out cycling. :-[
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Lol, still not fitted or tried them yet, still to cold and icy to get out cycling. :-[
I'm still riding my Hewitt Cheviot on my 32mm Supremes almost every day, though getting home tonight might get interesting...
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(https://d1vfu4m1fkicia.cloudfront.net/imgs/products/px/950x600_constWH/TYVITREVG_P1.jpg?v=b)
these vittorias have one major snag; if you ride where there are flints, they get stuck in the tread grooves. After this happens you are dependant on the puncture-resistance of the tyre. Where I am, quite a few riders have ditched tyres with this kind of tread (but not necessarily the same carcass) after just a few hundred (puncture-infested) miles. Even if you don't get punctures, the sound of myriad little stones trapped in the tyres can drive you absolutely crackers.
cheers
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My trailer tyres are of that sort of pattern, and do seem remarkably efficient at collecting small stones etc from the gutter or middle of the road where they inevitably end up. They've never actually punctured, but I put that down to relatively few miles and not bearing a lot of weight.
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First ride with the 32mm Marathon Supreme today. A mere 2.4km each way commute to work.
Certainly plusher compared to the old Marathon greenguard. :thumbsup:
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First ride with the 32mm Marathon Supreme today. A mere 2.4km each way commute to work.
Certainly plusher compared to the old Marathon greenguard. :thumbsup:
Flat tyre on the front of the bike yesterday. Hopefully it was just a duff valve on the tube, certainly could not feel anything in the tyre, or see any holes in the tube once inflated...
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First ride with the 32mm Marathon Supreme today. A mere 2.4km each way commute to work.
Certainly plusher compared to the old Marathon greenguard. :thumbsup:
Flat tyre on the front of the bike yesterday. Hopefully it was just a duff valve on the tube, certainly could not feel anything in the tyre, or see any holes in the tube once inflated...
That's bad luck, have had my current set on my daily commuter for about 18 months with no punctures
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I've been wondering whether Panaracer Gravel King (https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Panaracer-Gravelking-Folding-Tyre_205885.htm?sku=627526&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=CjwKCAiAqaTjBRAdEiwAOdx9xpl_MZ8h1GiyrvfsLX8_jnWXpf3HkPjbxoxELoNnqPqv0cXUsWVshxoCdPUQAvD_BwE) would be a suitable alternative to Paselas. Been riding the Gravel King SK on my Cross-Check with no problems. Can get a tubeless version too.
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I've been wondering whether Panaracer Gravel King (https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Panaracer-Gravelking-Folding-Tyre_205885.htm?sku=627526&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=CjwKCAiAqaTjBRAdEiwAOdx9xpl_MZ8h1GiyrvfsLX8_jnWXpf3HkPjbxoxELoNnqPqv0cXUsWVshxoCdPUQAvD_BwE) would be a suitable alternative to Paselas. Been riding the Gravel King SK on my Cross-Check with no problems. Can get a tubeless version too.
They're good.
My GF has a 26mm Gravelking on the rear of her bike.
5100+ miles and still with plenty of life (it would seem) left.
She's happy with the grip and the rolling resistance.
One puncture and that on a thorn-tastic ride that also took out a Marathon Plus, a Marathon Supreme and a GP 4 Seasons.
The GK had the decency to stay inflated enough to get to the pub where we could repair it over beer and with warmth and copious quantities of soap and water. The other tyres were less thoughtful.
It was a *kin cold day.
My experience of Pasela TGs wasn't great: OK up to a certain point and then puncture, puncture, puncture, bin.
If 32mm Gravelking SKs weren't so suited to my riding, I'd use the "ordinary" Gravelkings.
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I must admit to having become a fan of Continental GP 4000 SII tyres (now superseded by a supposed even better GP5000).
I have run 25's and 28's (depending on bicycle clearance) year round for over 2 years now (15000+ km) with only a single unscheduled deflation due to a shard of glass working through.
They roll REALLY fast and, with a 330 tpi casing, are supple and comfortable. Chalk as cheese speed and comfort wise compared with Marathons.
(Tyres used up so far: Stelvio Plus, Stelvio, Durano plus, Marathon, Marathon Supreme, Marathon Plus, Bontrager AWS, Marathon Winter)
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I've been wondering whether Panaracer Gravel King (https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Panaracer-Gravelking-Folding-Tyre_205885.htm?sku=627526&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=CjwKCAiAqaTjBRAdEiwAOdx9xpl_MZ8h1GiyrvfsLX8_jnWXpf3HkPjbxoxELoNnqPqv0cXUsWVshxoCdPUQAvD_BwE) would be a suitable alternative to Paselas. Been riding the Gravel King SK on my Cross-Check with no problems. Can get a tubeless version too.
They're good.
I've been running 38mm Gravelkings for three weeks. I've had my front tyre let loose twice on a slightly muddy country road and got a flat yesterday. Super comfy but I'm going to be swapping the front out for an SK if I get loose at again.
My GF has a 26mm Gravelking on the rear of her bike.
5100+ miles and still with plenty of life (it would seem) left.
She's happy with the grip and the rolling resistance.
One puncture and that on a thorn-tastic ride that also took out a Marathon Plus, a Marathon Supreme and a GP 4 Seasons.
The GK had the decency to stay inflated enough to get to the pub where we could repair it over beer and with warmth and copious quantities of soap and water. The other tyres were less thoughtful.
It was a *kin cold day.
My experience of Pasela TGs wasn't great: OK up to a certain point and then puncture, puncture, puncture, bin.
If 32mm Gravelking SKs weren't so suited to my riding, I'd use the "ordinary" Gravelkings.
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How are the Supremes running? I'm looking for fast rolling 35c tyres to replace Vittoria Randonneurs on my LHT. Currently wavering between Paselas (tubed obviously) and Gravel King but interest in Supremes is sparked because I notice that they can be run tubeless.
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Do you need tread, Windy?
I'm still loving my Hypers. 37mm, riding on bad tarmac and riverside paths. Roll well (not just my impression, the bike rolling resistance measurements say so) and very lush feeling. They are a 'slick' though.
Supremes might be a bit better.
Hypers are a bit cheaper I think.
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I used to run Michelin World Tours. I’ve not thought of them for ages, but a quick google shows they’re still available, cheap, and seemingly well received.
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May I put a word in for Vittoria Corsa G+ Controls? Expensive but Ive been really enjoying mine. Fitted them as a winter tyre but see no reason to change them back. Only had them since October so can't speak for their longevity, but they are fast, grippy, fun to ride + seem pretty tough.
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I used to run Michelin World Tours. I’ve not thought of them for ages, but a quick google shows they’re still available, cheap, and seemingly well received.
I have some on a bike.
By comparison with modern tyres they are not good. Reasonable grip, not poor puncture resistance (not impressive, either). Relatively high rolling resistance (compared to 'good' modern tyres).
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Do you need tread, Windy?
I'm still loving my Hypers. 37mm, riding on bad tarmac and riverside paths. Roll well (not just my impression, the bike rolling resistance measurements say so) and very lush feeling. They are a 'slick' though.
Supremes might be a bit better.
Hypers are a bit cheaper I think.
Cheers, hadn't thought about Hypers - I do like my Radonneurs, they're just a bit 'heavy'
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I'm on my second set of Hypers, love them although I suspect they can't be as durable as Marathons.
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First ride with the 32mm Marathon Supreme today. A mere 2.4km each way commute to work.
Certainly plusher compared to the old Marathon greenguard. :thumbsup:
Flat tyre on the front of the bike yesterday. Hopefully it was just a duff valve on the tube, certainly could not feel anything in the tyre, or see any holes in the tube once inflated...
That's bad luck, have had my current set on my daily commuter for about 18 months with no punctures
Looks like it was a valve stem leak. No tube in, and no deflations.
The Supremes (32mm) are certainly a nice tyre, nice and plush compared to the rather wooden feeling 32mm marathon greenguard
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Do you need tread, Windy?
I'm still loving my Hypers. 37mm, riding on bad tarmac and riverside paths. Roll well (not just my impression, the bike rolling resistance measurements say so) and very lush feeling. They are a 'slick' though.
Supremes might be a bit better.
Hypers are a bit cheaper I think.
Been using Hypers on my LHT this year with no problems. Currently £5 at Planet X
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVIVOWT/vittoria-voyager-wired-tyre
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Do you need tread, Windy?
I'm still loving my Hypers. 37mm, riding on bad tarmac and riverside paths. Roll well (not just my impression, the bike rolling resistance measurements say so) and very lush feeling. They are a 'slick' though.
Supremes might be a bit better.
Hypers are a bit cheaper I think.
Been using Hypers on my LHT this year with no problems. Currently £5 at Planet X
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVIVOWT/vittoria-voyager-wired-tyre
the link appears to be for standard voyagers, not voyager hypers. Despite what the description says, standard voyagers have a coarser carcass, and considerably more weight and rolling resistance vs hypers.
cheers
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Do you need tread, Windy?
I'm still loving my Hypers. 37mm, riding on bad tarmac and riverside paths. Roll well (not just my impression, the bike rolling resistance measurements say so) and very lush feeling. They are a 'slick' though.
Supremes might be a bit better.
Hypers are a bit cheaper I think.
Been using Hypers on my LHT this year with no problems. Currently £5 at Planet X
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVIVOWT/vittoria-voyager-wired-tyre
the link appears to be for standard voyagers, not voyager hypers. Despite what the description says, standard voyagers have a coarser carcass, and considerably more weight and rolling resistance vs hypers.
cheers
Aah yes, the title is clear but the description misleading - thanks Brucey.
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Recent tyres on various bikes that might be relevant
Vittoria Adventure II TNT 38mm on the Genesis Datum. Lots of tread. Tubeless Big and heavy but grippier and faster than I thought. After one winters use they are still unworn. Running them with tubes on the single speed at the moment. Good for mild off road
Challenge Strada Bianca 33mm or 30mm "Pro" on the Genesis Datum. No tread. clincher with tubes. The 33mm version is slightly slower. The 30mm is radically fast Expensive tyres
Marathon Supreme 38mm (on Karate Monkey) 28mm (on Dawes Galaxy). Light tread. clincher on Dawes, tubeless on KM. Faster/ grippier than a touring kind of tyre should be. The 38mm are ok off road except if it is muddy. They don't have enough tread to get any grip on mud
Michelin Pro Endurance 28mm on Specialized Roubaix. No tread. clincher with tubes. Faster than the Marathon Supremes but not as fast as a full on race tyre. This was my PBP setup
Marathon Supreme 50mm (on Karate Monkey). Almost no tread. tubeless. feel like riding on balloons but in a good way
Schwalbe S-One 30mm (now called G-One speed). On the Genesis Datum. tubeless. If the Marathon Supremes are some kind of "super" fast, grippy, light touring tyre then these are the tubeless "miracle" version. They are super light, super fast and grippy. They are as fast as some race tyres. Only downside is that they wear out fast. They resist punctures like a touring tyre but the tread wears fast
Schwalbe Mondial 38mm. Very heavy tread. Clinchers. These are the "around the world" touring tyres. They are folding tyres but ridiculously heavy. I've had them a few years and used them on and off. No sign of any wear. Not great off road, they are so inflexible the ride is poor.
My favourite out of all these is the Schwalbe G-One speed.
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I used the Vittoria Adventure on my Cross-Check last winter. Sluggish compared to Gravel Kings (fitted for summer) but grippier and will refit for use this winter.