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Cudzoziemiec

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Creating a smokefree generation
« on: 20 April, 2021, 10:11:18 pm »
...is New Zealand's goal. As part of their broader goal of "Smokefree Aotearoa 2025" https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/tobacco-control/smokefree-aotearoa-2025 they're considering banning anyone born after 2004 from buying tobacco. Forever.
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"It will protect young people. And it also means that once we get to the goal [of Smokefree 2025] we're going to stay there: we have a cohort of young people coming through for whom smoking is simply not part of their lifestyle, not accessible to them."
says Professor Janet Hoek of Otago University.

Obviously it's being questioned on grounds of fairness. But in a way that's already been answered by the existence of minimum ages for smoking and other things and by various substances being totally banned.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-detail/300282141/tobacco-ban-for-those-born-after-2004--smokefree-generation-plan

Could it happen here, if the law did pass in NZ and prove successful? Not so sure, but maybe.
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #1 on: 20 April, 2021, 11:36:59 pm »
They could do the same with driving licenses.

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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #2 on: 20 April, 2021, 11:59:27 pm »
I'm waiting to see what happens with holiday makers of that age from countries wherer they are allowed to (and do) smoke.
The idea was mooted for anhyone born after 2000.  Not sure it ever took off though - well, oviously it didn't but never made it past the starting post even.
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #3 on: 21 April, 2021, 02:50:07 am »
I'm waiting to see what happens with holiday makers of that age from countries wherer they are allowed to (and do) smoke.
The idea was mooted for anhyone born after 2000.  Not sure it ever took off though - well, oviously it didn't but never made it past the starting post even.

I would be curious to see how New Zealanders would behave when they travel to countries where they are allowed to smoke.

I would love to see a tobacco free planet, but realistically I expect this to work about as well as banning alcohol and marijuana did for the US.

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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #4 on: 21 April, 2021, 08:19:53 am »
It would have to be enforced by ID checks on every purchase, so presumably an exemption for FOREIGNS could be made upon production of FOREIGN passport with appropriate entry stamp. Alternatively, it might be done by means of "positive ID" ie rather than proving that you are not prohibited from buying tobacco, you'd have to join a special register of smokers, upon which you would be given the appropriate SmokeCardTM.
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #5 on: 21 April, 2021, 11:50:32 am »
...is New Zealand's goal. As part of their broader goal of "Smokefree Aotearoa 2025" https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/tobacco-control/smokefree-aotearoa-2025 they're considering banning anyone born after 2004 from buying tobacco. Forever.
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"It will protect young people. And it also means that once we get to the goal [of Smokefree 2025] we're going to stay there: we have a cohort of young people coming through for whom smoking is simply not part of their lifestyle, not accessible to them."
says Professor Janet Hoek of Otago University.

Obviously it's being questioned on grounds of fairness. But in a way that's already been answered by the existence of minimum ages for smoking and other things and by various substances being totally banned.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-detail/300282141/tobacco-ban-for-those-born-after-2004--smokefree-generation-plan

Could it happen here, if the law did pass in NZ and prove successful? Not so sure, but maybe.


New Zealand's national health service/structure (the oldest in the world) has always been driven - with the exception a period in the late 1980s/early 1990s - by a public health 'prevention' agenda.  It's one of the reasons it has done so well with Covid.

NZers have a high level of trust in their leaders and a far more 'socially aware' attitude and community minded approach to these sorts of issues.


NZ is one of the most advanced 'smoke-free' countries.  Whilst national government has introduced smoke-free workplaces/indoor public spaces, local councils and communities have been given the freedom to introduce local restrictions in outdoor areas as well.  Most have policies in place: http://www.midcentraldhb.govt.nz/HealthServices/PublicHealth/Documents/Smokefree%20Mapping%20NZ%20Councils-Outdoors%20and%20Spaces%20-%202535.pdf
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #6 on: 23 April, 2021, 09:31:36 pm »
I've just learnt of a proposal to ban smoking on balconies in Warsaw and possibly subsequently the whole of Poland. Apparently this is inspired by a recent law in Lithuania, which came into force at the beginning of this year. The Lithuanian law also covers sports grounds, bus stops, playgrounds and open air areas of cafes.
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #7 on: 11 June, 2021, 02:05:46 pm »
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For Big Tobacco’s great weakness is that unlike booze, sex, cake and other vices of which public health specialists despair, smoking isn’t actually much fun in and of itself.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/11/smoke-free-britain-tobacco-addicts
Hmm, I don't know but some smokers of my acquaintance proclaim smoking a greater pleasure than sex and cake and certainly far greater than booze. Others, of course, share their weaknesses equally between all vices.
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #8 on: 14 June, 2021, 04:10:54 pm »
One person's liberty gained can often be another person's liberty lost.

Prior to the smoking ban in pubs and gigs, I'd stopped going to either because the headache and sore throat I woke up with the next morning wasn't worth it.  It's not to say that I'm an advocate of smoking bans, just that I avoid places where people are smoking because of the effect it has on me. 
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #9 on: 14 June, 2021, 04:36:23 pm »
I have just literally shut my window on one of the hottest days of the year because my neighbour is smoking in their garden and it is amazing how it goes up the side of the house and inside the window. :(

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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #10 on: 14 June, 2021, 10:41:31 pm »
Neighbours-plus-one BloodyStudents were having a rowdy sportsball party until after 5:30am yesterday, and I didn't smell any smoking at any point.  Not even weed.

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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #11 on: 15 June, 2021, 12:33:57 am »


Sitting outside a cafe, I notice someone a couple of tables away light up. Then I smell smoke. Then my brain connects. "This smoke has just come from within someone's lungs"

I packed my stuff up and got away, fast.

I then cycled for a few kilometers pondering the viability of a vaccine cell on a smoke particle...

I would like to see smoking bans extended to include within 5m of a door or window...

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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #12 on: 19 June, 2021, 12:10:05 pm »
I don't know how much smoke comes out of the burning end of a cigarette compared to the amount inhaled and exhaled. I'm sure plenty of studies have been done and there are plenty of variables. Anyway, all the air you breathe has come from within someone's lungs. I once saw a calculation of the probability of any molecule of oxygen you inhale having been breathed by Hitler.
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #13 on: 19 June, 2021, 12:18:15 pm »
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #14 on: 26 July, 2021, 08:36:06 am »
Philip Morris wants to ban cigarettes. Maybe!
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The chief executive of tobacco business Philip Morris International has called on the UK government to ban cigarettes within a decade, in a move that would outlaw its own Marlboro brand.

Jacek Olczak said the company could “see the world without cigarettes … and actually, the sooner it happens, the better it is for everyone.” Cigarettes should be treated like petrol cars, the sale of which is due to be banned from 2030, he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/25/tobacco-firm-philip-morris-calls-for-ban-on-cigarettes-within-decade
The end of cigarettes doesn't mean the end of smoking, of course:
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Tobacco firms have been moving into cigarette alternatives such as vapes and e-cigarettes. PMI is pushing the IQOS, a cigarette device that heats tobacco to deliver nicotine without the smoke and tar that cause diseases including cancer.
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #15 on: 26 July, 2021, 02:54:28 pm »
Philip Morris has just bought out a company that makes medical inhalers.
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #16 on: 06 March, 2023, 12:05:29 pm »
NZ medics want vapes to be prescription only, as is already the case in Australia.
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New Zealand public health researchers and doctors are calling for vapes to be made pharmacy- or prescription-only, as teen vaping rises sharply.

While the number of people smoking cigarettes in New Zealand has dropped to record lows, those taking up vaping – particularly teenagers – has soared, with youth vaping more than tripling between 2019 and 2021. Now some doctors’ groups are pushing for New Zealand to follow in Australia’s footsteps, where vapes have been made a prescription-only drug.

Dr Bryan Betty, medical director of Royal New Zealand College of General Practitioners, said the college was advocating for vapes to be made available only through pharmacies and doctor’s offices.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/06/make-vapes-a-pharmacy-only-drug-new-zealand-health-groups-vaping-nz
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #17 on: 16 March, 2023, 09:38:04 am »
NZ medics want vapes to be prescription only, as is already the case in Australia.
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New Zealand public health researchers and doctors are calling for vapes to be made pharmacy- or prescription-only, as teen vaping rises sharply.

While the number of people smoking cigarettes in New Zealand has dropped to record lows, those taking up vaping – particularly teenagers – has soared, with youth vaping more than tripling between 2019 and 2021. Now some doctors’ groups are pushing for New Zealand to follow in Australia’s footsteps, where vapes have been made a prescription-only drug.

Dr Bryan Betty, medical director of Royal New Zealand College of General Practitioners, said the college was advocating for vapes to be made available only through pharmacies and doctor’s offices.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/06/make-vapes-a-pharmacy-only-drug-new-zealand-health-groups-vaping-nz

I'm all for it... and vapes should have serial numbers as well, registered to the user.

Vape waste is a huge problem for councils - our local rec is littered with disposable vapes.  If they had serial numbers and were registered to individuals then we could fine the f*ckers.
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #18 on: 16 March, 2023, 09:46:59 am »
I recently read a magazine article explaining how to retrieve the lithium-polymer battery from a discarded vape and recharge it. The writer did mention that people might prefer not to handle something that has been in a stranger's mouth and then discarded on the roadside, but didn't consider any hazard from the "vape juice". I don't know whether there is any, I presume it varies from mixture to mixture (bearing in mind that not all even contain nicotine).
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #19 on: 16 March, 2023, 04:38:51 pm »
A majority of vapes and e-cigs sold in the UK are illegal in their try design according to a recent survey. Things like too high capacity of the liquid,  too high  concentration of the liquid,  etc.

Imho they're cigarettes by another delivery method.  Whatever applies to cigarettes should apply to vapes, etc. No use where you can't smoke, complete ban of they ban cigarettes. No encouragement to use by medical profession even if they're slightly safer. Cigarettes and vapes are nicotine delivery devices. Addiction devices and not healthy for users or others.

One last thing,  complete ban on flavoured vapes, advertising anywhere and anything but plain packaging plus all places selling them must put them into a plain,  covered cupboard just like cigarettes.

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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #20 on: 16 April, 2023, 04:34:17 pm »
^^
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The data showed that oversized and overstrength vapes are being sold unlawfully in shops. Laboratory analysis of 52 products bought in England showed 73% were above the legal e-cigarette tank capacity of 2ml. More than 40% of those tested had been filled with 5ml of liquid or more.

The analysis also showed that eight devices purporting to contain no addictive substances did contain some, with many containing almost 20mg/ml of nicotine – the legal limit in the UK. One vape had levels more than 50% higher than the legal limit.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/16/some-nicotine-free-vapes-high-addictive-substances-tests-show
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Re: Creating a smokefree generation
« Reply #21 on: 17 April, 2023, 07:36:07 am »
Gosh, it is almost like tobacco companies lie or something.
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